Posted on Apr 30, 2020
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I am a PFC and have 1 year 8 months TIS and 8 months TIG and I have recently gotten an article 15. Its been 2 weeks since then and I haven’t received the paperwork for it so I’m unsure of the exact disciplinary actions that will take place but I have been told that I will most likely get 45 days, pay reduced, and loss of rank. I don’t know how many tanks I’ll lose whether it be to PV2 or fuzzy but that is my concern. I don’t mind the extra duty or the reduced pay. I’m just wondering how long it will take to make it back to PFC and onward to specialist. Before all of this I was being looked at to waiver but because of this I won’t.
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Start the clock over from the day you lose the rank. Pretty simple. If you turn yourself around and work amazingly and stuff you may be eligible for a waiver. But it's back to the 6 months as an E2, 1 year as a PFC
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PFC Healthcare Specialist (Combat Medic)
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Thank you SFC! It’s unfortunate I put myself in the position for this to happen but I will learn from this and work harder than before to ensure I prove to my platoon and leadership that this is only a minor setback.
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PFC (Join to see) - Soldiers who have been reduced are not eligible for waivers for promotion. You will have to do the full TIG for each rank starting at zero on the date of your reduction.
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LTC (Join to see) thanks for covering my 6!
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If you are reduced your TIG starts over at zero on the date of reduction and you will not be eligible for waivers.
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Based on what you wrote, if you received and Article 15 with rank reduction, then your DOR would have started that day and you would been reduced to PV2 that very day. If it has been two weeks since the reading/administering of the Article 15 but you haven't been reduced, then chances are your loss of rank has been suspended. Which means that you need to keep your nose clean until the Article 15 period is over. Same with the Restrictions, loss of pay and extra duty. Have you stood in front of your Commander to have the Article 15 read to you, yet?
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Correct
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PFC (Join to see) - Ok. So. Here is what is going to happen. Right now there is an investigation going on to gather evidence and to see if you do warrant receiving an Article 15. If the Commander determines you do deserve one, you are going to be called to stand in front of either the 1SG and/or the Commander to be given your preliminary Article 15 reading. You will be notified of the charges and given the opportunity to have about 24 hours to get your defense statements/evidence ready. After that 24 hours, you will present again to the Commander for the official reading. It is this time that you can either choose to accept the Article 15 or request trial by courts martial. If the case against you is definitive, and there is no chance to win at court, then take the Article 15. You will be notified of what punishments you will face (depending on the level of the 15). Once you sign the Article 15, the punishments begin that day. Your new DOR will be in effect that day if you lose rank. Same with restrictions (if any) and extra duty (if any). What could also happen is that you are told that you will be reduced, pay taken, restrictions and extra duty given, but they'll be suspended. This means that you will be watched closely and if you get into trouble again, then the suspended punishment will be implemented. That will be up to the Commander.
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PFC (Join to see) - You sound like you have the right attitude towards this. Learn from your mistake and move forward. I got busted from E5 to E4 and still made E7 before I got commissioned. I had an old SGM tell me once that if you didn't have at least 1 Article 15 then you were a do nothing NCO. lol
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PFC (Join to see) MSG Krotzer ran afoul of the company commander in Korea in 1955. After a severe ass chewing and threats from the CDR, Krotzer cut the bottom rocker from several sets of his fatigues with the sew-on stripes.

Krotzer also became a hard ass! After about a month, not having received any reduction orders, he started wearing other fatigues with all three rockers.

Hang in, hang tough and Do Not make any waves or say anything unless feel you really must.
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