Posted on Dec 12, 2018
How many chances does one have to get a GOMOR filed locally for an APC?
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My husband has been recently charged with APC off post. The civilian side is not a big deal since he ll see the record expunged. We are worried for the military side. He s a SSG promotable, he already received a GOMOR stating that a decision of where it ll be filed was not made yet, and we sent a rebuttal. He was given a FA code by HRC, and received a letter that he s removed from the position of DS and possibly they ll remove his badge. We all know that a Gomor filed in the permament records means QMP, QMP means separation. He is an outstanding soldier (almost 13 years in,), this is the first bad thing in his military carreer. Commander, 1SG and Sargeant major said they re on his side... however, I am trying to be rational and assess all the possibilities. How many possibilities do we have to see this GOMOR filed in his local files? Any experiences?
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You mean your husband got a DUI? I understand it's not called a DUI, but it's still a DUI and definitely an alcohol related incident. Even if it will be expunged, it means he was found guilty. As for the QMP, I have never seen a QMP retained when it was an alcohol related incident.
As for being locally filed - the general who writes the reprimand is the person who you are appealing to. Unlike a punitive reprimand that requires a burden of proof, and has a review at a higher level, an administrative reprimand only requires enough proof that a service member could have likely committed the act they're being reprimanded for. They can be reprimanded just for having poor judgment for being in the situation they were reprimanded for.
What does that mean? The general who gave them the GOMOR is the one you are appealing to. Unless you are providing new information, they will not likely have it filed locally. His best chance is a strong letter of reference from his command team for the board.... However, again - in all the QMP notices I've counseled, I've never seen one retained for alcohol incident. If he was found innocent he could contend the GOMOR and the QMP. But expunged doesn't equate to innocent, it's the civilian equivalent of forgiven.
Your husband will be offered half separation pay.
As for being locally filed - the general who writes the reprimand is the person who you are appealing to. Unlike a punitive reprimand that requires a burden of proof, and has a review at a higher level, an administrative reprimand only requires enough proof that a service member could have likely committed the act they're being reprimanded for. They can be reprimanded just for having poor judgment for being in the situation they were reprimanded for.
What does that mean? The general who gave them the GOMOR is the one you are appealing to. Unless you are providing new information, they will not likely have it filed locally. His best chance is a strong letter of reference from his command team for the board.... However, again - in all the QMP notices I've counseled, I've never seen one retained for alcohol incident. If he was found innocent he could contend the GOMOR and the QMP. But expunged doesn't equate to innocent, it's the civilian equivalent of forgiven.
Your husband will be offered half separation pay.
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SFC (Join to see) from what I’ve seen worst it will be a General Under Honorable Conditions, however not likely if he’s been an outstanding soldier
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SFC (Join to see) about 70% of the soldiers that get off post DUI’s that I have seen never report it because they know no matter how much of an asset they are to the organization the General will most likely have the GOMAR filed permanently. Most people take their chances. Not saying it’s the right thing to do but that’s the culture these Generals are influencing. There’s many Soldiers that’s dont get caught. Again not saying it’s the right answer but it happens.
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SSG (Join to see) I don't know where you would have seen that. Soldiers separated under QMP are given an Honorable discharge and a new ETS date of the first day of the seventh month after the decision. It's right in the QMP MILPER
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SSG C W QMP is not a strength management tool so In/Out calls don't matter. It's a quality management tool designed to separate senior NCOs who don't warrant administrative separation but who have displayed values not congruous with the Army values. A chapter and QMP are completely different. A QMP is used when a chapter doesn't fit.
QMP is a board that reviews your case. Will they separate you for a reckless driving? I don't know. You're allowed to write a letter to the board and state your case, but a GOMOR filed in your OMPF is a trigger for that board.
As for those MOS qualifications, I saw more people separated through QMP when I worked at SF Group than anywhere else.
As for the GOMOR, the rebuttal doesn't mean anything to the board. Your rebuttal goes to the person who is giving you the Reprimand, you're requesting them not to file it in your OMPF. A rebuttal is not an appeal.
Not everyone who is referred to QMP gets separated. You have the opportunity to state your case and provide letters of recommendation. LORs from your commanders and CSMs will have the most effect.
QMP is a board that reviews your case. Will they separate you for a reckless driving? I don't know. You're allowed to write a letter to the board and state your case, but a GOMOR filed in your OMPF is a trigger for that board.
As for those MOS qualifications, I saw more people separated through QMP when I worked at SF Group than anywhere else.
As for the GOMOR, the rebuttal doesn't mean anything to the board. Your rebuttal goes to the person who is giving you the Reprimand, you're requesting them not to file it in your OMPF. A rebuttal is not an appeal.
Not everyone who is referred to QMP gets separated. You have the opportunity to state your case and provide letters of recommendation. LORs from your commanders and CSMs will have the most effect.
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Will an expungement of his APC (DUI) play in his favor in the phase of rebuttal of QMP notification?
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