How many know about the chemtrails of Monsanto from planes and how it is killing us and our planet?

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These chemtrails are poison to our planet and the people. IF the trees all die so do we. Does anyone have any ideas how to stop them or is it already to late? I see them all the time up here now. This is also why Utah and places are banning wood smoke from wood stoves fire places and will probably go on to the rest of the states. Many people rely on that to survive for heat. I use it for back up only from the trees that die on my land I never cut them until they die. But how can we honestly stop this before it is to late. Please research this stuff more before answering my question. You, your family and our planet depend on this. And yes Monsanto is involved with the chemicals being sprayed out of the planes and do the pilots no they are being exposed.
I feel these questions involve the leaders, the Fitness, and all people on the planet earth because it does.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/category/chemtrails/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnWaBsMYnY

I would like to add another link above which is testimony by many many famous people who know exactly what they are talking about. Our lives are being changed and if you would please really listen to them you may think about this with more openness to the truth.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Apr 12 at 2015 7:49 PM

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I've always found big Ags connections to politics concerning.

Response by SPC David Shaffer made Apr 12 at 2015 7:53 PM

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Thank you for the information PV2 Violet Case .

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 12 at 2015 8:08 PM

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Ignoring Monsanto itself for just a moment, remember that the cross pollination between government & high end corporate jobs is HUGE.

The overlap of skill sets is so tailored that it's inevitable.

I'm a former Intel Analyst. When I got out the military, I had a specific set of skills which led me to be either a GS employee or a Government Contractor. I went the Contractor route. People that I went to school with were GS employees. A year later they were Contractors, while contractors I worked with became GS~.

This happens at low level, and high level. Just because you end up knowing everyone in your field.

If you are the "expert" in Agriculture, you will end up on both sides of the fence over the course of your career. Just like the head of the FCC, or the Vice President (D. Cheney). It's impossible not to.

That doesn't mean the above list doesn't show 'potential' conflict of interests. It likely has some real ones. But some of those people may be 'employee in name only' or 'former employee' and the list is designed to create a monster under the bed, rather than portray a true image.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 11:42 PM

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Thank You for the information. it definitely needs to be a concern for everyone.
There are a multitude of things killing all of us. We are our own destruction that is for sure.

I read the link which you posted. I am also going to do some more research into this subject.

Thank You for informing the community PV2 Violet Case

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 2:43 AM

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This is a subject I've followed for some time, once I see some more conclusive evidence I'll be able to make a better informed decision.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 10:05 AM

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This is ridiculous. This is something that is made up on junk science and misinformation. This occurrence has been happening for longer than many care to explain. This is just another group that wants to be important and screams for attention.

This just makes no sense to try to alter the climate. If they could do it they need to make it rain in Cali. They are hurting pretty bad. But then why can't they. Because you can't

1. Global jet streams would blow or evaporate it . If you wanted to expose the ground to chemicals you would have to fly low or if you wanted to affect the the atmosphere you would have to fly high enough to affect the whole stream and a quantity large enough that would dissipate once released.

2. Chemicals that are released by planes usually are heavier than air. They have a tendency to fall. Like a Crop Duster. Only a gas could stay in the air like that. Like a cloud which is pretty much gas.

3. If there really wanted to release some sort of gas chemical into the sky why would they make it visible. With the technology we have I am sure someone would have said "Hey, let's make it clear were no one will notice." Most deadly gases are odorless and can't be seen.

If you can please show some science to back this up I would greatly appreciate. This is on par with Global Warming, Cooling, Change, or what ever they call it.

The world pollutes itself. Nature corrects itself. It happened before and it will happen again. We didn't do anything for some of the worst natural disasters in history. But the Ice Age. That was Chemtrails.

Debunking "Contrails don't persist" with 70 years of books on clouds

There's a common belief that "normal" contrails cannot persist. But why do people think this? If you look back at any book on clouds in the last 70 years the...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 10:30 AM

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I am sorry but the chemtrails topic is patently false. Those streaks in the skies are nothing but water vapor trails and not some sinister form of population control. They are actually called 'contrails' and the conspiratorialists are creating yet another scare tactic.

Response by TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn made Apr 13 at 2015 11:11 AM

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If you believe this. I'd like to sell you the London bridge in Arizona, or beach front property, again in Arizona! LOL Sorry I just couldn't help myself. I guess some of that stuff got on me!!!!

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Apr 13 at 2015 4:41 PM

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Knee jerks either way obscure the truth. I grew up in the West San Fernando Valley with Santa Susana Pass nearby; which had the old Rocketdyne plant. They tested all sorts of rocket motors, both solid and liquid. My father was the NASA unmanned program safety engineer out there. The scientists would test every conceivable combinations of molecules to push the weight to thrust envelope. We'd watch the sky light up different colors on many nights due to the different chemical combustion components.

Toxicology was well behind in those days. The presumptions was the "dilution solves pollution" hence trace anything shouldn't be a problem. That started unraveling when the biological impacts of beryllium became more understood. It's a super reactive element and improved the thrust to weight holy grail. It didn't take much to inhale and that could be a problem. Having it as a component in rocket boosters was one heck of a way to make sure a lot of people inhaled it. So NASA struck that from use in boost stages but still used it in space.

There's a lot of nasty stuff used out there today. Otto fuel in torpedos is one with a cyanide byproduct of the self reaction process. So the real question remains, what is it, what does it do, how much goes where, and does it create a problem worth doing anything about?

Response by SPC David S. made Apr 13 at 2015 5:00 PM

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I don't know about the chem-trails but Monsanto has reeked havoc in India. 250,000 Indian farmers have killed themselves because of Monsanto's costly seeds and pesticides. If you use Monsanto pesticides only Monsanto seeds will grow in the soil. Every 30 minutes an Indian farmer commits suicide due to use of their products. Not surprisingly these are the same guys that came up with Agent Orange and said it was safe. The attached article shows just how embedded they are into the FDA which is a very scary thought.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/05/monsanto200805

Monsanto’s Cruel, and Dangerous, Monopolization on American Farming

Monsanto dominates America’s food chain with ruthless tactics, waging a debilitating war against small farmers. Even worse, the company has a decades-long history of toxic contamination.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 13 at 2015 5:40 PM

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OMG! This is serious business!!! The Illuminati must be conspiring with the Reptilians!

Are Militant Atheists Using Chemtrails to Poison the Angels in Heaven?

With the scourges of typhus, malaria and dengue fever raging through communities in the 1940s, the United States government did a curious thing. They loaded up airplanes with the chemical DDT and commenced aerial spraying to wipe out the insects spreading these diseases. At first, the technology behind such dispersals was crude, but over time …

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 6:19 PM

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What's hilarious is all their hands going up in the air like they were in grade school! I bet a lot of them were abducted by aliens. I am think I am going to watch the X-Files. My ringtone is as follows...

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Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 7:18 PM

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If I were an evil, money grubbing international corporation like Monsanto and people were trying to spread the word on my dark deeds I would operate a two pronged misinformation campaign... the first prong would be to keep calling into question the scientific assertions of those who threatened by profits, the second would be to discredit my attackers by associating them with nonsense like chemtrails and alien conspiracy theories.

The science is currently adequate to get countries, where unlimited political spending by corporations isn't preventing government from making common sense decisions, to ban Roundup and many genetically modified foods that have the pesticide as part of their DNA.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 9:45 PM

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http://worldtruth.tv/snowden-uncovers-shocking-truth-behind-chemtrails/

Edward Snowden said something about this. I thought it was interesting. Great question. You get people thinking! Good for you!

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Apr 13 at 2015 10:13 PM

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We can disagree without becoming unprofessional. We can also pose questions in a way that doesn't make them one sided either. If you throw something out that people don't agree with, it is their right to call you out on it. Just keep it from being a personal attack and keep it professional. If anyone feels obligated to call anyone crazy, feel free to direct all your comments to me. My meds are working GREAT.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 10:18 PM

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Response by SFC Mark Merino made Apr 13 at 2015 10:20 PM

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I like to keep my mind open and get my news fromboth the left and right wings and everything in between. Remember, smoking doesn't cause cancer, Agent Orange is harmless, MEK is safe enough to gargle with, etc.

Response by Col Kyle Taylor made Apr 13 at 2015 10:25 PM

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They are CONTRAILS or condensation trails caused by hot engine exhaust and cooler skies. Look at photos of B-17s during WWII. They would try and climb above or stay below the altitudes that cause these trails because the enemy would see them. Talk about a ridiculous conspiracy theory...some
People will believe anything.

Response by PO2 Glenn Altschuld made Apr 13 at 2015 10:49 PM

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Like everyone else with a brain (or education) has stated: chemtrails are not real. take a meteorology class or some aeronautics courses. Infowars is great for 50% of its content. I mean this in all seriousness. The other 50 is pure lunacy from people who don't know better.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 11:38 PM

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http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/air-force-bombshell-admits-they-can-control-weather-haarp/

The best theory I have on chemtrails, or contrails as some would like to call them is the government as a unit is trying to control the weather to create an optimum climate to grow food for the growing masses. I'd like to debate anyone that might disagree.

Air Force Bombshell: Admits They Can Control Weather – HAARP

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 11:40 PM

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Oh, your gonna get chewed up and spit out over this one....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2015 12:05 AM

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Vi, this is something I did not know about. I can't help with the problem if I don't know much about it. But, I will read all I can and try to understand the argument. I know chemicals get released in the atmosphere. I worked at a chemical plant all mylife. Benzene, a cancer causing chemical was released in the atmosphere every day I worked for the company until someone did research and found out it is carcinogenic. All of a sudden any chemical plant that used or made Benzene had to find ways to keep it out of the atmosphere. It couldn't be completely eliminated so OSHA decided .10 % was ok to release. A tenth of one percent of benzene in the air isn't supposed to be harmful, but if it is mixing with other chemicals with concentrations of chemicals bad for the environment it is adding to the problem. Acetone, Keetone, Toluene, and many other chemicals do not have restrictions on the amount going into the atmosphere. The way it gets in the air from chemical plants and refineries is through the steam vapors released from the plants. I know all of this for a fact. Every time there is a large release of a chemical by accident or ignorance, harmful provisions enter our atmosphere. Monsanto, I'm sure are no different than any other large chemical company. They are big enough to pay the small fines made by OSHA and don't skip a beat in their production. If OSHA was really involved in making sure our air is safe, they would be all over chemical plants and refineries, the trucking industry, the aviation industry, and auto manufacturers, making sure they within the limits OSHA sets for chemicals in the air. They are not powerful enough to mess with the big boys, therefore the big boys just barely stay in compliance. I'm not saying nothing can be done, but it's not going to happen in our life time. OSHA just doesn't have that much power and they are regulated by our government. I'll look into your interests and try to find an answer for you. Hang in there kiddo. I'm on your side.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2015 4:15 AM

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Weather is nothing more than Mass for Idiots and Mass to explain why we are tethered to the floor.

Response by PV2 Violet Case made Apr 14 at 2015 5:18 AM

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You no back when I was in the military and was getting sicker from my exposures and of course it was something the government new about and was hiding. I wondered how they can fight for the safety of other countries and do this to their own at Ft McClellan and other veterans who suffer and was never in war. So it had to happen on our soil from our country.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2015 9:41 AM

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I excommunicated my own brother over this.

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Apr 14 at 2015 10:55 AM

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You do realize that trees only produce 15% of Earth's oxygen right? Most or our oxygen is produced by Phytoplankton in the ocean. So I'd be less concerned with contrails and more concerned with leaking oil tankers and oil platforms in the ocean. Just a thought.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Apr 14 at 2015 12:31 PM

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Sorry, but if you want to worry about the harm being done to the planet, worry about the after effects of the nuclear testing in Nevada and the Pacific; the rate at which humans are eliminating plant and animal species from existence; strip mining; pesticides...

If anybody needs me I am going to go hide in my bubble until the end of the world, or the zombie apocalypse which ever comes first.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Apr 14 at 2015 2:00 PM

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OK, lemme give you the simple, logical explanation of "chem trails"... this is based on 4th grade science and years of experience with turbine engines.

When anything burns it produces ash. In the case of internal combustion engines there is very little ash and it is very fine. I tore down thousands of turbine engine hot ends and they all had this ash.

Next, you have to realize that there is water vapor in air. You can almost feel it on a humid day. At high altitude the temperatures are cool enough for that water vapor to condense, but it has nothing to condense to... (think of a glass of ice water on a humid day).

When an airplane passes through this layer of air and the conditions are right the ash from the engine gives the water vapor something to condense to. Just like making a cloud.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2015 9:03 PM

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This has been debunked so many times it's ridiculous. Please don't spread conspiracy theories on this forum.

Response by SGT Tyler G. made Apr 14 at 2015 10:30 PM

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I just facepalmed so hard that it gave me a concussion.

Response by PV2 Violet Case made Apr 15 at 2015 12:30 AM

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To all those who helped me to understand better I would like to thank you for this. Since the VA has explained the situation at FT McClellan I followed as much as I could to try to learn on my own what has happened, why, and what has caused all this so have my civilian doctors and friends. I agree with many of you that there is to much mis information out there. I figured coming here I would get help with the truth and was not expecting some of the reactions I had gotten.
If you were told you are sick and dying and it was from all that exposure and health becomes worse as a human wouldn't you like to know some answers and maybe get help in things to do to try to help yourself? I respected the men from the military and veterans to have hearts and to be kind to help me if they can to no the truth when people send me links thinking they help in the civilian life I was getting these types of links. So I counted on fellow brothers and sisters here to be helpful because I was sent links of chemtrails, geotrails and more. Having these problems are hard enough. And I thought this was a site to help one another. But I will no better then to ask anymore about things unless to those I have learned I can trust here.

I do apologize that this got so wild I was just trying to learn the truth. I was once very smart at things on my own but after my last heart trouble my memory and comprehension has been affected. I don't think you make fun of people who have had strokes do you? But that does not mean I have no feelings or heart at all. I have learned tho that maybe this site is not here to help disabled veterans if they have questions or are disabled from military. Again sorry.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Apr 15 at 2015 11:56 AM

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As Elaine (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) from Seinfeld might say, "Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake!"

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 1:24 PM

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PV2 Violet Case , I've done this myself.

Just into college, I went through what I call a paranoid phase. I bought into everything Alex Jones said hook, line, and sinker. It was very easy to be taken in by everything, and it all sounds so plausible. To the intelligent-yet-uneducated person, it seems self-evident was presented with a compelling story. Couple that with the fact that companies are selfish and the government is a power-hungry machine on its face, what else is there to think.

Conspiracies do exists, and there are powerful organizations that are far from benevolent. But you you have to remain skeptical, not only of these entities, but of those that might manipulate you against them in their own search for power.

As for chemtrails, there's no evidence to support they actually are chemicals. Reputable studies have shown they are nothing. Could airlines be conspiring with chemical manufacturers and the government to kill or sterilize us all? Sure, it's possible. But the evidence just isn't there.

I remain paranoid, to be honest. But I let reason be my guide. Not a perfect system, but it's helped a lot.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Apr 15 at 2015 2:29 PM

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I've listened to the evidence and it seems compelling but for one simple fact: There are more trees in North America today than when the first Europeans arrived.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Apr 15 at 2015 9:34 PM

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It was used in Nam called Agent Orange and it is killing the Nam Vets.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Apr 15 at 2015 10:53 PM

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Obama!!!!!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 11:09 PM

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Take off the tin foil hat bud. Critical thinking is a great skill to have.

Response by SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT made Apr 16 at 2015 1:18 AM

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Let's not forget the toxic exposure to those at Fort McClellan when Anniston, AL was identified as the most toxic city in the U.S. Of A. 700 million in damages was paid to civilians while not one cent was paid to any military member. When you consider they share the same water supply system.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 8:40 AM

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So... the government has somehow managed to keep every single airline pilot and airliner on the planet silent on the machinery installed to spray chemicals during transit, while leaving absolutely no evidence of the chemicals existence anywhere?

I suggest you read up on contrails and the effects of low pressure and high pressure zones on flight surfaces and their effects while travelling through humid environments. "Chemtrails" are actually "contrails" and are harmless.

I hate using specialized websites like this one, but it packs everything in one easy to use place: http://contrailscience.com/

Now, there ARE actual "chemtrails" out there, but they are harmless; typically they are dustings of silver iodide; but only a few aircraft are outfitted, and they are not commercial planes, they are specific research aircraft built to study cloud formation for weather control. I suggest researching "cloud seeding" for more information.

Response by MSG David Chappell made Apr 22 at 2015 6:22 AM

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Well it was on the internet it has to be true

Response by SrA Kelly Richard made Apr 22 at 2015 7:07 AM

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I had no idea that people in the military actually believed this. I thought it was a joke at first and I was going to say something funny, but now I'm just highly concerned that the conspiracy fruit loops are that good at convincing people.

As prior intel and the daughter of a USAF pilot with degrees in science, and in casual pursuit of a private pilot license myself, AND the fact that I stayed at a Holiday Inn; I WANT to joke and say, "I can't confirm or deny that," and feed into the whole thing, but seriously... I can promise you that even if our elementary school science teachers were wrong and this actually was a real thing, we would absolutely not test it nor use it on our own people. Nor would we use something so indiscriminate in an area where it can make its way to contaminate Americans, which is basically anywhere in the atmosphere. The scientific evidence has already been very well explained in other comments, but politically, it just doesn't make sense either.