How often are NCOERs due?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 16:56:33 -0400

The unit I'm with, in the National Guard, have been doing monthly NCOER's. I think this is excessive. Plus it uses up a lot of time that can be used on other things. Can someone direct me/show me a DAPAM if monthly NCOERs are excessive? Thank you!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 4:59 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 16:59:25 -0400

AR 623-3 covers Evaluations
Unless the Guard runs things differently. NCOERs are an annual thing, unless another circumstance comes up - change of rater, relief, etc...
Counselings are quarterly for NCOs.
I had a CSM who had us counsel NCOs monthly, on a 4856. Very excessive, but we couldn't fight it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 5:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 17:12:15 -0400

NCOERs are annual unless required for a change of rater, relief for cause or extended annual. NCOs will receive a counseling quarterly compared to junior enlisted which is monthly.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 5:22 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 May 2020 17:22:22 -0400

Army Regulation 623–3, dated 14 June 2019 is your reference

Response by SSG Steven Borders made May 21 at 2020 5:24 PM

SSG Steven Borders — Thu, 21 May 2020 17:24:08 -0400

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member Do you mean monthly counselings as CW2 Private RallyPoint Member pointed out. As NCOERs are an annual thing. I do counselings quarterly for my troops.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 12:21 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 May 2020 00:21:00 -0400

MSG, We were originally 1498th TC. That unit got deactivated. We are now 1836 TC DET 1. It was just alot of bad habits from the past where we got to this issue. I am becoming part of the full-time staff of the 756th TC POL as the Training NCO, but also assisting 1836. I just started to think, how would my Commander want things to be done or where can I help. I haven't been in the Guard a long time or even in the military that long, since September 2017 . I'm still learning and I may get things wrong hence I was totally wrong with thinking they were doing NCOERs every month haha. The LT saw an issue where the soldiers are not using the support form as they should be. That's one of the reason why they get so far behind in their NCOERs.

Response by SSG Brian G. made May 22 at 2020 2:41 AM

SSG Brian G. — Fri, 22 May 2020 02:41:22 -0400

Are you sure they are doing NCOERs and not doing monthly counselings? The standard is that NCOERs are done once a year unless there is a change of command. There are initial counselings, and then monthly counselings that should be done.

AR 623-3 is your reference though.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 4:07 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 May 2020 04:07:54 -0400

I am curious why you, at your rank, are concerned about the unit's NCOER issues. It sounds to me like the unit has become extremely delinquent in it's NCOER matrix and steps are being taken to correct the issue and get the overdues fixed. I know the CG in my command has solved the problem by directing the BN and BDE commanders to issue Letters of Concern for 30 days and will issue GOMAR to the rating chain if it gets to 60 days. Guess what...we are all caught up (at least we were before COVID-19 stop movement).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 11:23 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 May 2020 11:23:08 -0400

As stated NCOERs are annual unless a change of rater is required, now there is quarterly counseling.

Response by SSG Douglas Espinosa made May 22 at 2020 12:08 PM

SSG Douglas Espinosa — Fri, 22 May 2020 12:08:03 -0400

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