How often do Officers leave the military as O-2s?

Mon, 07 Jun 2021 16:33:41 -0400

I'm looking down the barrel of another deployment (I'm looking forward to it). During my last IDT, the SXO approached me and asked if I was planning on staying in or leaving. I'm looking to move to Florida upon our return from this deployment and by the time we get backed I'll have 8 years in. Balancing life as an Officer in the Army (National Guard) and a Police Officer is quite the challenge. Add a family on the way and it's rather daunting. I could have promoted a couple years ago but found out that my current unit (in 2018) was possibly deploying to Afghanistan and I REALLY wanted to go as a PL (since my time as a PL was rather checkered). That mission got scrapped so I'm going where we are going now as the Troop XO. It dawned on me that a good part of me doesn't care about making Captain. My evals have always been good and I've always performed well at PT. But the way the SXO and a few other Officers talked about it made me wonder...is it considered bad if an Officer leaves the military as an O-2? I was curious what anyone here, Active, Guard, or Reserves thought.

Response by 1SG Steven Imerman made Jun 7 at 2021 4:43 PM

1SG Steven Imerman — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 16:43:29 -0400

An old 1SG's take- "F*** 'em, do what is right for you."
You've paid your dues, you have nothing to feel bad about.

Response by LT Brad McInnis made Jun 7 at 2021 5:09 PM

LT Brad McInnis — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 17:09:33 -0400

I was one of the few in my graduating class at USNA that did more than one tour. Many, many JO's get out ofter their initial obligation. You did your time, do what is best for you.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Jun 7 at 2021 6:01 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:01:07 -0400

All the ones I knew were previous enlisted but most left as Captains, suppose it depends on how many years you have until you hit 20 when u ou are commissioned.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jun 7 at 2021 6:26 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:26:36 -0400

If you resign your commission and do not retire, you will be a former 1LT no different than a former specialist or private. The only important thing is your veteran's status and deployment history. Have you achieved what you want to achieve? A family and career in LE is more important to you now, well chances are you are still young and in a few more years time in the National Guard may be more feasible. A lot of people focus on their family life when the children are very young and I think that is a bad idea. When I was doing the things I needed to do to make major, my kids were 1-3 years old and they did not miss me. Now my son is 11 and I have coached his wrestling team for four years and this is my first year doing baseball. I just retired and I can guarantee what is important to your kids is being there when they can remember you being there and being gone when they won't remember. My wife had some tough times when I was gone and the kids were little but we survived and my children will remember my times coaching them verses Mommy being a single parent when they were in diapers.
A lot of people, especially officers, think to be anything you must take it to retirement. That is BS. It is your life, your family, and those will likely be the only things around in 20-40 years to give a shit. People that think you need to take this to retirement will be long gone, especially if they are senior to you. Only difference between you and I is I get almost free healthcare until death along with $4100 before taxes every month.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2021 8:03 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:03:07 -0400

Just tell people you got out as a Major, haha. Seriously, do what makes sense for you, not what you assume others will think about your decision.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Jun 7 at 2021 8:14 PM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:14:59 -0400

I think that to anyone who doesn't know shit about themilitary, they won't care.

For those who DO know, however, getting out as an O2 will certainly raise a few eyebrows. That being said, when you see the raised eyebrows, just smile a knowing smile that shows you know a little secret and wouldn't THEY like to know? Then walk away and leave 'em wondering.

Response by SFC Jeremy Boyd made Jun 7 at 2021 10:20 PM

SFC Jeremy Boyd — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 22:20:39 -0400

The first ever OCS candidate I ever recruited into the Army left service as a 19A 1LT. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, as long as you at least fulfilled your contractual obligation to the Army after receiving your commission. Granted, it would be highly unusual and uncharacteristic to RETIRE as an O-2, that would certainly raise some eyebrows and invite questions. While it is true that officers generally make CPT before leaving the Army, your situation isn't as uncommon as you may think. Besides, billeting and vacancies in the ARNG are a whole different animal than Active Duty anyway. No one bats an eye when an Enlisted servicemember leaves the ARNG after 20 years as a SPC or SGT, so why would it look bad for you to exit service as a 1LT with eight years?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2021 10:51 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 22:51:15 -0400

1LT Wes Mincin As you mentioned, you have your hands full being an Officer in the National Guard and a Police Officer. Make the decision that is best for you and your family. Best wishes!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 8 at 2021 12:33 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 00:33:47 -0400

Honestly, if you're getting out what difference does it make? You probably won't even talk to half of the people you're serving with anyway. Like someone said already in the comments and that is to do whats best for you and your family.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jun 8 at 2021 1:00 AM

CSM Charles Hayden — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 01:00:52 -0400

1LT Wes Mincin It is a helluva of ride LT!

Bill Thatcher had four daughters and left the USAR to be a softball coach for them.

Being an intelligent man, Bill enrolled in the USAR’s School program, attended classes and did two weeks of AD annually and retired as a USAR LTC.,

On the flip side, a military brat, Vietnam RIF’ed, CPT married and left the Guard. The last time I spoke to CPT Tim B, he bemoaned having discarded 13 years of military service for a woman who hated the military! He did not go USAR School!

Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Jun 8 at 2021 7:42 AM

CPT Lawrence Cable — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 07:42:27 -0400

The only thing unusual about it is that most O-2 won't have finished their MSO or their Active Duty Service Obligation, which is why you see a lot of Captains getting out after they hit staff time.
I will tell you that you will remember you Company Command time as the high point in your career. My two favorite positions in the Army/Army National Guard were Engineer Company Commander and Assistant Brigade Engineer.
Staff time after command is what you make of it. The job of S-1 is not exciting, but at least 75% of the questions I respond to here come from that experience.
I got out just as I was coming up on promotion to Major because of some family issues that I thought my full time present could mitigate. Hindsight says it didn't matter at all.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jun 8 at 2021 8:22 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 08:22:26 -0400

Active Duty? Leaving O-2 means you were either injured and medically discharged, or you were kicked out for misbehavior.

Guard/Reserve? Who knows. Honestly, it wasn't until recently I discovered that Guardsmen/Reservists actually consider themselves "in the military".

Response by 1LT Vance Titus made Jun 8 at 2021 2:58 PM

1LT Vance Titus — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:58:59 -0400

It is a tough decision and one that only the individual can make. I separated as an O-2. At the time, 1970, I would have made O-3 within a month of my separation had I stayed active and within a year had I gone active reserve. I had just come out of the war zone and chose to go inactive reserve for the remaining four years of my obligation. The 'peace time' army of the 70s was not something that I wanted any part of.

Response by 1LT Voyle Smith made Jun 8 at 2021 8:20 PM

1LT Voyle Smith — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 20:20:05 -0400

I left active duty as an O-2. I had declined promotion twice in combat because I wanted to return to my civilian job with AF Intelligence. If I had accepted promotion, it would have added 12 months to my tour in Vietnam. I had already been there for six months and I had promised the family that I would get out of there as soon as possible. So it was an easy decision.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 8 at 2021 9:32 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Jun 2021 21:32:53 -0400

Don't get out as a 1LT. On the surface, it looks like you left due to bad paper or other derogatory reasons. At least finish up as a CPT, you'll look back and will be glad you did.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Jun 9 at 2021 1:44 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Wed, 09 Jun 2021 13:44:01 -0400

As 1SG Steven Imerman , CPT Aaron Kletzing , and SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" all seeem to concur ... "There's your answer," and it's what's right for YOU and your FAMILY.

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Jun 9 at 2021 9:13 PM

SPC Kevin Ford — Wed, 09 Jun 2021 21:13:48 -0400

In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter to you? Will it matter in 20 years? If you feel you won't be fulfilled if you don't make O-3, then great, go for it. If you are just worried that someone may look down on you for not making O-3 but you don't really want to, well as 1SG Steven Imerman so, eloquently put it, "F*** 'em, do what is right for you."

Life is too short to do things you don't like simply to make someone else happy.

Response by LCDR Steve Brown made Jun 18 at 2021 11:22 AM

LCDR Steve Brown — Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:22:34 -0400

I think you should be able to stick around if you like the military but don't want to promote out of a job you enjoy. Unfortunately, in the military I know, you're either up or you're out. So, even though I hate to see a competent officer go, as others here have already said, do what is right for you.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jul 2 at 2021 12:37 PM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:37:49 -0400

Seems to that unless you want to build off your military experience it won't make any difference. But as a person who had hiring authority in the FAA for air traffic controllers a persons military service weighed heavily in my decisions.

Response by LTC Peter Hartman made Jul 7 at 2021 7:22 AM

LTC Peter Hartman — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 07:22:05 -0400

If you did your time honorably I don't think it looks bad. Keep a good attitude and tell them you want to focus on your civilian job and family.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2021 1:21 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 13:21:42 -0400

As a retire LEO and Army Reservist wh deployed to Iraq I made a decision to stay in. But I paid for it due to time away from family and possible lost promotions in the LE field. Obviously you are putting your family first which is a good thing. On the other hand deployments are slowing down now and looking forward to an Army Reserve pension in nice too. Perhaps find a position in the Drilling Individual Mobilization Augmented DIMA program where you can be assigned to an active duty unit. As a DIMA you can do your AT and BAs all in one shot or perform the duty as it fits with your family and LE schedule. Just some food for thought

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Jul 8 at 2021 5:14 PM

SPC Matt Ovaska — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 17:14:54 -0400

Unless you are a police officer in Mayberry, NC. Your might consider a different career or a lot of small towns in Fla. are looking for law enforcement. They don't pay anything. A lot of company's won't hire ex military. I don't think your military achievements will make much difference to anyone except you. I was with a Civil Air Patrol unit in Potsdam, NY. I never tell anyone I was in the military. Now I'm in uniform eating dinner at Ponderosa. Yea. I was called baby killer. The good news is they did not spit on me.

Response by 1LT Greg MacKinnon made Jul 12 at 2021 4:57 PM

1LT Greg MacKinnon — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 16:57:37 -0400

Stay in the Reserves if you still can. You don't think about it now but you will appreciate the extra check when it is time to retire in your 60's. I get out after ten years and my last stint was an XO for a company in the gulf war. I had same time restraints with a new and upcoming family as well as a business to run. i chose the path to leave and feel it was a mistake.

You sound squared away and will be able to figure out your time management.

Good Luck either way and thanks for your service....

Response by CDR Terry Boles made Jul 24 at 2021 9:12 PM

CDR Terry Boles — Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:12:21 -0400

As many have stated, you have to prioritize your family and your life with demands of LE and military service. You mentioned you have no desire to promote to 0-3, just be aware of up or out as I suspect an 0-2 will not be able to serve 20-years for a retirement. As others suggested maybe re-eval your military situation as deployments temp ops possibly reducing now. However, with all that being said it’s no disgrace to separate as an 0-2. Best wishes for you and family.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 18 at 2021 6:47 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 06:47:16 -0400

Dunno about your side of the line, but go for your 3. Time in service means a lot too. 3 deployments and still not made 3? I know the reserves and guard I was myself... just sucks cause you sound like you're a decent leader who can make a difference.

Response by SPC William Ward made Aug 18 at 2021 4:58 PM

SPC William Ward — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:58:35 -0400

When I was in 1/7 ADA PATRIOT, we were practically infested with LTs. Some were even West Point grads. I found them to be basically privates with perks. Some were hardcore career guys. Others were gonna get out at the end of their obligation. We all were so damn young. We just kept our heads down and did our job and I think that's good enough for respect.

Response by LTC Bert Wilson made Aug 19 at 2021 6:44 PM

LTC Bert Wilson — Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:44:03 -0400

The NG is very good old boys club oriented, think about reserves, if you get out no loss now but in the future you might have wished you stayed in. I was In the Guards to long and I was thinking about getting out but I went IRR and never looked back. 38yrs later I retired with 10 yrs active duty as an enlisted, and 7 yrs as an officer.

Response by BG Jim Drago made Aug 20 at 2021 12:13 AM

BG Jim Drago — Fri, 20 Aug 2021 00:13:48 -0400

Ask yourself this. Is there EVER a chance I might want to come back in the future???? Think hard on this because 8yrs is only 12 from the end because I assume your on the old retirement system. If the answer is you are going to leave those eight years on the table then do what is right for you know(Like the 1SG below is saying). . Otherwise, stage yourself for the future.

Response by 1LT Voyle Smith made Aug 21 at 2021 9:20 PM

1LT Voyle Smith — Sat, 21 Aug 2021 21:20:32 -0400

I left active duty as an O-2, in order to return to my civilian job with AF Intel. That job was being held for me, provided I returned in less than four years. By leaving as an O-2, I was able to return in less than three years ( I had enlisted and gone to OCS). Having that job waiting for me made that an easy decision; if I had not had that job, I would probably have accepted the offer of promotion to Captain and extended my commitment.

Response by CDR Kc James made Aug 24 at 2021 11:34 AM

CDR Kc James — Tue, 24 Aug 2021 11:34:47 -0400

Suck it up! Stay at least to 03, & the leave if you want. Although, most NG stay in for the long haul for retirement benefits. If you do that, 'it's all good!'

Response by LTC Martin Glynn made Sep 17 at 2021 12:01 PM

LTC Martin Glynn — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 12:01:47 -0400

I've known quite a few officers who had short Active Duty Service Obligations (ADSO's), who left active duty as 1LT's after three years and went to the USAR or ARNG afterward. I also knew a few who left active duty as 1LT's after getting in trouble; one lost his M-16 in the field (it was later recovered), another missed movement for a deployment and had to deploy late, traveling with another unit; another got a GOMOR because she had an affair with a married male officer. I even knew one prior service Infantry 2LT with a wife and three kids who got booted out because he was constantly late for formations. The one who lost his weapon and the one who missed movement were given a second chance in the USAR, and actually did very well; I don't know what happened with the others.

I only know one Reserve Component officer who got out as a 2LT, simply because he wanted to be commissioned on active duty but didn't get it. He completed OBC, but then resigned. He was also a prior service guy. He went into a civilian career where he never mentioned his commissioned service; as far as his employer is concerned, he's a former Regular Army NCO.

In your case, I'd recommend taking the promotion to Captain if you're promotable in the ARNG. Nobody questions the service of an officer who gets out as a Captain, whether that officer is AC or RC; however, if you get out of the ARNG as a 1LT, it might raise a few eyebrows. Sure, you can explain it as a personal preference and show people your good OER's, but that's going to get really old after a while. Also, you never know ... you might really enjoy serving as a Company Commander.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2021 9:15 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 21:15:45 -0400

Active. Yes. Bad. Real real bad

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2021 11:15 AM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 11:15:12 -0400

There’s no perfect time to pick whether to stay or go. 4 years or 40; unless you’re a General, you will likely be asked to leave, especially if on active duty. So go when you feel you won’t regret making a long-term decision based on short-term thinking. If you’ve hit all your career goals, time to go.

Response by Sgt Richard Rourke made Sep 19 at 2021 5:32 PM

Sgt Richard Rourke — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:32:12 -0400

Was it worth it?

Response by Maj Michael Leon made Sep 19 at 2021 9:57 PM

Maj Michael Leon — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 21:57:38 -0400

Lt you have to do what's best for you and your family. Sounds like you don't have plans to make it a career so know you've served your country. That's more than most can say.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Sep 20 at 2021 1:47 AM

MSG John Duchesneau — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 01:47:06 -0400

Audie Murphy left active duty in September 1945 as a first lieutenant. Nobody thought anything bad about him.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2021 4:42 AM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 04:42:19 -0400

If you have completed you service commitment, then do what you want. If I were looking at a resume for an AD officer at 8 years who left as an O2 I'd have questions. But as Guard it's completely understandable. Balancing your guard life and civilian life (particularly in LE) is tough. That's part of why I commissioned into Active Duty out of the Reserves. I was interviewing with Fed LE agencies and came to the realization it had to be one or the other (for me). On the practical side of it (thinking as a commander) if you can't commit to it, better to free up that position for someone who can. Bottom line, you did your part. Few people know enough to question it, and those who know enough should understand.

Response by PO1 Wayne Sasser made Sep 20 at 2021 7:42 AM

PO1 Wayne Sasser — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 07:42:58 -0400

Tough call. I was E6 with good years. I had a good civilian career, enjoyed drilling, but wanted more than what the Navy could offer me. I don't regret my decision, and like many "former" military, support those who are making it a career.

Response by SSG Cam Prince made Sep 20 at 2021 8:34 AM

SSG Cam Prince — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 08:34:11 -0400

I like the IRR path. After I left active duty (6 year), I spent about 4 years in a couple of different state NG units. When my last unit was alerted for the Iran crisis, my wife insisted I get out at the earliest opportunity (which came up once the alert was rescinded). As they say, "happy wife, happy life." I did join the state chartered militia.

Response by SGT Kathleen Regan made Sep 20 at 2021 5:11 PM

SGT Kathleen Regan — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 17:11:40 -0400

would it really matter?

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Sep 22 at 2021 9:57 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 21:57:49 -0400

Sir, I don't think it will be a problem. In my own experience, most of the officers I met were only in for a few years. And yes, most of them weren't concerned about making Captain. They just wanted and/or needed that deployment experience and get some dirt under their nails & in their boots. Your calling may be outside the military, but you may need that time in to bolster your resume or teach you something that you'll need down the line. Best of luck and I'm sure you'll make the right decision for your future.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Sep 23 at 2021 9:39 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 09:39:03 -0400

The Guard is different from the regular Army when it comes to promotions. Your willingness to change units to fill slots has a lot to do with it. A friend of mine started out enlisted. He waited and waited and finally became an officer. He told me he didn't expect to move past Captain. Then there was a restructure in the State and there was a opening for a Major but it was about 250 miles away. For whatever reason, nobody took it. They went down their list of eligible officers and finally got to my friend. He said what the hell and accept. Since he owned his own manufacturing business, he was able to take off early on Friday to make the trip. His promotion to Major put him ahead of many formerly senior Captains. Then a few years later an opening came up closer to our town. Again, he was a junior Major, but he said he would take the slot and became a LTC. Not that long afterwards, he was approaching 60 and retired. Meanwhile, our local TV weatherman was our Protocol Officer. He was a Captain forever. He was not willing to move and just waited for local slots to open up. He got lucky and a Major's slot opened before he retired. He had already obtained permission be exempt from regular haircut regs due to his nightly appearances as our weatherman. He didn't want a different slot where he had to "conform to standards".

So Lt, that would be for you to decide what is important for you. I have had to take administrative reduction in rank several times in my career. I guess I could have retired at a much higher rank had I taken a different path, but in the end, I am happy with my choices.

Response by 1LT Murray Robinson made Oct 27 at 2021 3:56 PM

1LT Murray Robinson — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:56:25 -0400

I would say it happens all the time. I had a four year commitment and served from 86 to 90. They pushed out Captain to 4.5 years for my year group. I tore my ACL during a training accident and decided that graduate school and a civilian law enforcement career was for me. When I first commissioned, it was 3 years, then a little longer every year. I had a friend that only had a 3 year commitment and he was out.

Response by LTC Dennis Rears made Oct 27 at 2021 8:44 PM

LTC Dennis Rears — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:44:55 -0400

Do what is best for you and your family. You served your country. I did 4 years AD and left 4 days before I would have made CPT. I made CPT and MAJ as an IMA. I than did 10 years TPU and retired as a LTC, 4 months before my COL board.

Response by SFC Bob Coon made Oct 27 at 2021 8:45 PM

SFC Bob Coon — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 20:45:26 -0400

As a SFC I had about 6 PL’s in my time before I retired. 2 made CPT after the PL time while serving as XO. The other 4 submitted there unqualified resignations. They wanted out they completed their time honorably! And are successful too this day. Who gives a shit if you want to get out or make it a career!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 12:06 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:06:07 -0400

I have had a couple of Captains resign their commission due to home and family life. Do what is best for you.

Response by MAJ Michael Davis made Oct 28 at 2021 1:27 PM

MAJ Michael Davis — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 13:27:41 -0400

Get promoted. You are almost 1/2 to retirement. You will kick youself later. If you want a break go the IRR.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Oct 29 at 2021 12:05 AM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:05:50 -0400

Not everyone is built for a career in the Armed forces, THANK GOD! Some of us are here to make sure that when the SHTF we can train the people who need training and hold the fort until you get up to speed. Reservists and NG are there to help hold the line but not to be the brunt of the spear until the civilians can be trained to take up the shields and become new warriors.

If you have served your obligation and want to leave, do so. You will not be judged when you leave except by those who do not count. Thanks for your service, however long or brief. All of us served for what we felt was our duty.

Response by 1SG Steven Malkowski made Nov 19 at 2021 7:31 AM

1SG Steven Malkowski — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 07:31:18 -0500

Where to start on this? First of all, you are right about the challenges of being an officer in the Guard AND a police officer, with a family to boot. I was in the same boat as you. All three, officer, police officer with a young family. I made it to Captain, then due to unforseen circumstances, I got out (2 years IRR, three as a civilian) with 16 years of service, 10 1/2 as an officer. After five years I reenlisted as a Staff Sergeant due to not having enough time left to make major and went into the Retired Reserve after another 12 years as a First Sergeant, though when I started drawing my pension it is at Captain's pay. The point is that if you are planning on making the Guard a second career adjacent to your LE career, you can do it. God knows that if I could do it, just about anyone can, LOL. You do want to make sure that if you want to get a pension from the Army, you maintain your commissioned status long enough to be vested, that is to draw a commissioned pension. I believe that is ten years (it weas for me), but the regs might have changed. Believe me, the pension is a lot more as an officer (even an O2) than an E-9. Which brings up another point, you can always revert back to an enlisted grade to finish out your remaining time. Like you said, the challenges are great but anyone with a little drive and determination, and a very supportive family, can do it. The rewards are greater.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Nov 19 at 2021 11:00 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:00:44 -0500

I don't see any problem with having served Honorably and leaving as a 1st Lt, or Lt JG in the case of Navy or Coast Guard. There are factors sometime beyond Your own control that in no way subtract from Your service and accomplishments. A major concern always has to be the impact on Your family as well and doing what is best in the long run for both them and Yourself. Sometimes choosing between Active Duty, Guard or Reserves may be a way of balancing thing out for both the family and a Military career. Whatever You may decide thank You for Your service.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Nov 19 at 2021 11:48 AM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:48:34 -0500

When I was in, it was quite common. They were called OBVs (Obligated Volunteers). The did ROTC, entered AD, had a two-year obligation to the Army of the United States and at the expiration of two years left for IRR. Depending on time, they were either 2LTs or 1LTs, as the TIG from 2 to 1 kept changing. 24 months, 18 months, 12 months, 18 months 24 months, etc.

Response by CPT Allen Saum made Nov 27 at 2021 9:34 PM

CPT Allen Saum — Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:34:05 -0500

Upon entering the military, it was my intention to make it a career (at least 20), and as a Armor lieutenant, I was reasonably happy with my lot. Once I made captain, however, I found that being a senior junior grade officer made little difference in influencing my future in the Army. I left as an 0-3 with 6.5 TIS. My question to you would be: Who are you worried about thinking it was "bad" of you to leave the military as an 0-2? And as opposed to what rank? And why would you care what whomever it is thought of you leaving as an 0-2? I have sometimes thought over the years that I had made a poor decision resigning, but looking back now, it was probably the best thing I could have done.........to hell with what others thought.....

Response by CPT Shonna Ingram made Dec 7 at 2021 4:18 PM

CPT Shonna Ingram — Tue, 07 Dec 2021 16:18:52 -0500

I left the active army as 1LT. Went full-time ARNG right away as a GS-9. Made 03 one year later and stayed another 5 years. The guard is very political. I wish I had known that my "reserve" time did not count for VA benefits unless you served at least a 6-month tour overseas on a mission or campaign. If you plan on doing it the whole time, until Reserve retirement time, I don't think it is worth it. You will not get retirement pay for a long, long, time. Focus on one career and do that well and you will get much better benefits and retire earlier in the long run. AND as for rank? Only you will care. If you can get the 03 easily and soon, do it (my opinion)

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Dec 7 at 2021 9:14 PM

1SG Chad Mcdaniel — Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:14:08 -0500

Truth you're a part of the less than 1% of Americans who joined the military, and doing whatever amount of years and being honorably discharged, is all that matters in my opinion. With that said who cares what others think. I'd proudly call you me brother and I did 26 years. Hope this gives you a little peace of mind.

Response by SGT Derek Wynne made Dec 7 at 2021 10:36 PM

SGT Derek Wynne — Tue, 07 Dec 2021 22:36:33 -0500

You do you, scout. Just curious, what troop are you with? K/3/2 was my last hitch

Response by CW4 Conrad Brown made Dec 24 at 2021 7:02 PM

CW4 Conrad Brown — Fri, 24 Dec 2021 19:02:38 -0500

There is not enough CPT slots for all 1LT to promoted.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2022 5:38 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jan 2022 17:38:08 -0500

My MS officer from my NG unit retired as an O-2 with 20 years.
He spent 17 as Enlisted first.

I stuck long enough to retire an O-3.

Response by MAJ Vance Fleming made Jan 7 at 2022 8:44 PM

MAJ Vance Fleming — Fri, 07 Jan 2022 20:44:26 -0500

Why worry about what others think? As long as you have completed your service obligation and you receive an honorable discharge, you will be fine. You have done your time and done more than 98% of the rest of the country. You have to take care of yourself and your family. Most future employers won't care if you served in the military unless your experience will benefit their organization.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2022 10:40 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:40:19 -0500

Pretty simple. Leave. Leave fast and don’t look back. Leave and don’t let the door hit you in the ass. You’ve almost graduated, my friend, from the most important school of life and you woke up to what is most in life… not medals, not rank, not recognition. 10 minutes after you are out of the service the whole world will look suddenly and completely look different to you. Maybe you’re not ready for real life, yet. I dunno. Maybe you’ll leave and have some sudden tinge of regret that you could have made captain and that would have made your life amazing and magical somehow. But it won’t end there. Next it’ll be major and then lieutenant colonel and one day you’ll look back and wonder how life could have been so much better and beautiful if you just got off that ego trip. Don’t think about it too, much, brother. Just do what you know deep in your heart IS bringing you happy while you’re just thinking about it. ‘Nuff said.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2022 11:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 23:28:42 -0500

Ive seen some leave as o-1s. no harm no foul. The vast majority that leave at the end of a first our that I am aware of is O3.

Response by LTC David Howard made Jan 9 at 2022 10:11 AM

LTC David Howard — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 10:11:31 -0500

While I served on active duty for 24 years, most of my fellow ROTC graduates served their initial obligated service and then left. Some continued in the Reserves, most did not. There is no shame at all in leaving. You have to do what is best for you and your family.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jan 9 at 2022 11:08 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 11:08:37 -0500

It depends:
-on what you believe about resigning at 1LT and how you act with relation to the decision
-on how much people who know you well understand about the GuArd and your decision to leave
-on how much people outside of your friends and coworkers know about the military and normal progression through the ranks — their ignorance is your ally and opportunity

If military service isn’t for you and doesn’t help you reach your life goals, then you and the Guard will be better off if you resign. Ending honorable service is no dishoner.

Response by SGT Donald R. Shipman made Jan 9 at 2022 12:02 PM

SGT Donald R. Shipman — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 12:02:10 -0500

The Intell unit I was in (during Cold War) required a good year's OJT for the new arrivals from The Point and others. The training up was usually the task of the experienced NCOs. The disappointment was just as soon as their tour was up they left either to rejoin their branch or to separate. A lot of time wasted. Of course Intell had no ranch per se at the time. Things might then have been different meaning the officers could have become Intell professionals.

Response by Maj Major Warren A Wolff made Jan 9 at 2022 9:10 PM

Maj Major Warren A Wolff — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 21:10:23 -0500

In my 20+ years, I met plenty of O-2 and O-3 who left. 99% were sorry.

Response by MSgt Joseph Townsend made Jan 9 at 2022 11:31 PM

MSgt Joseph Townsend — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 23:31:13 -0500

You seem to feel satisfied with what and where you are in your unit. I knew quite alot of 0-2 maintenance officers that did 6 - 8 years before leaving. To me, if you feel comfortable leaving so be it.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Jan 10 at 2022 5:31 PM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Mon, 10 Jan 2022 17:31:11 -0500

Aren’t 02s those not selected for 03 lower level commands, just as many 04s fail to be selected for 05 ??

Response by CMDCM Rodney Bell made Jan 11 at 2022 7:47 PM

CMDCM Rodney Bell — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 19:47:49 -0500

Wes,
From my vantage point...You honorably served our country, and continue to serve your community in a law enforcement capacity. Please give this some serious thought...think about what's best for you and your family at this stage in your life. The United States has a population of approximately 328 million people. Only one-percent serve and seven percent have ever served or worn the uniform. I'll leave you with this quote; "it's not about what you did, it's who you are". Coming from Navy Dirt Sailor or (SeaBee). Set, level, and square your foundation on solid bedrock.

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Jan 11 at 2022 8:18 PM

COL Victor Hagan — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:18:22 -0500

I wouldn't necessarily say it was a bad thing. But I would ask myself what happened that resulted in this young man not getting promoted with his peers.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2022 8:26 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 20:26:25 -0500

I saw a 2LT get a GOMOR for having a sexual relationship with a Specialist. He obviously didn’t make 1LT and was tossed out shortly after.

Response by MSG William Wold made Jan 13 at 2022 11:42 PM

MSG William Wold — Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:42:06 -0500

I have a brother in law that was in that exact position as a Seattle policeman. He left the Guard as an 02, and didn't look back. He wanted more time to relax after duty. He recently retired with 35 years on the police force.

Response by CPT Endre Barath made Jan 14 at 2022 1:56 AM

CPT Endre Barath — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 01:56:46 -0500

Decisions should not be influenced by any one but you... Who cares? It is your life your future... I stayed until I was a CPT... I should have stayed longer and I would have been.... but so what... I made my own decision so should you

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2022 1:33 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 13:33:47 -0500

Mustangs or any that augment but change their mind later. If you're not having fun maybe consider moving on.

Response by SSG Rafael R. Rodriguez Sr. made Jan 14 at 2022 1:48 PM

SSG Rafael R. Rodriguez Sr. — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 13:48:39 -0500

Family First, Mission 2nd. They have always dangled a carrot in front of me, wanting me to stay and reenlist. I wanted to do 30yrs, but only did 26. I don't regret it! These new soldiers are promoted too young and have no Troop time. Plus they are all a bunch of drama queens when someone defriends them from Face Book. Bunch of Entitlement kids wanting things on a silver platter.

Response by MAJ Elsie Shelton made Jan 14 at 2022 2:37 PM

MAJ Elsie Shelton — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:37:38 -0500

If you enjoy what you’re doing, stay put! The military needs officers who are willing to go the extra mile. And while your family on the way, you were Army when you married, right? You’ll never get the opportunities on the outside like now. Only you can make this decision so I suggest you might even ask your “higher power” for guidance. Good luck, friend!

Response by MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr made Jan 15 at 2022 12:15 PM

MGySgt George W Iliffe Jr — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:15:22 -0500

I knew a USMC officer who left the Corps as a 1Lt. He was a good officer but his last command hurt him with his fitness report because He was living with a female officer in the command. She did not get a bad fitness report as far as I know

Response by 1st Lt James Lipski made Jan 15 at 2022 9:46 PM

1st Lt James Lipski — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 21:46:04 -0500

I left the service as an O-2 and have nothing to be ashamed of. Admittedly looking back I wish I had stayed it, but at that time I felt it was the right decision for me. Just do what is best for your situation.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Jan 16 at 2022 6:42 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Sun, 16 Jan 2022 18:42:35 -0500

Do what you feel is best for you and your family.

Response by CPT John Burke made Jan 21 at 2022 12:58 PM

CPT John Burke — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:58:20 -0500

I am O-2 retired... you gotta do what is best for you.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2022 6:51 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 06:51:29 -0500

I served as an officer in the active duty AF and left the service as an 02 to pursue a civillian career. 10 years later returned to the AF Reserve and served in an enlisted position until retirement. Upon retiring, I retired as an 02. Most unusual I know, but it just worked out that way. You have to do what works best for your situation.

Response by CPT Tim Iund made Mar 13 at 2022 5:32 AM

CPT Tim Iund — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 05:32:01 -0400

40 years ago I left active duty as a 13A O-2. It was a hard decision to make, and though I’ve had a happy family life and challenging responsibilities in civilian life, I still have some regrets. But like the 1SG said, you have to do what is right for you and your family, regardless of the cost.

Response by Maj David J Carter made Mar 14 at 2022 12:30 PM

Maj David J Carter — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 12:30:02 -0400

Guard is just a different animal. As active it's all about timing, usually if you have a four year commitment from your commissioning source you will make 0-3 before you get out and it just depends where you are in line you could make 0-3 and get out the next month or just miss making it. Are you prior service? If not then yeah it's a little odd but as soon as you say Guard most people just go, oh OK, because they know the normal active duty norms are out the window. Just make whatever decision is best for you and your family you've done plenty for the country and sounds like you are still serving as a police officer...well done.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2022 3:31 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:31:17 -0400

Wondering why you’re an O2 after 8 years. That is highly unusual. You should have promoted 6 years ago.

Response by SP5 Thomas Jameson made Mar 14 at 2022 3:45 PM

SP5 Thomas Jameson — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 15:45:11 -0400

If you’re leaving anyway, WTFC?

Response by MAJ Vic Artiga made Mar 14 at 2022 4:06 PM

MAJ Vic Artiga — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:06:30 -0400

You can leave anytime you want to leave. I left the active army as a 1LT to become a police officer. I earned way more money, had much higher job satisfaction, and was much happier with my life as a police officer. Getting out of the army was one of the smartest decisions I ever made. Life is on YOUR terms! You can always go back into the reserve components after a break of a few years. I eventually retired as an O-4. Good luck. Do what makes you happy.

Response by SPC Rob Hunker made Mar 14 at 2022 6:53 PM

SPC Rob Hunker — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 18:53:49 -0400

I got screwed out of my sergeant stripes and was a E-4 when I got out, but I am still proud of serving my country and you should be too.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2022 11:45 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 23:45:29 -0400

I switched to the Army after 12 years USAF. Made E6 in the AF, bumped to E5 when I switched. Sitting at 18 years and probably will be medically retired soon. I KNOW what some individuals think when they see me as an E5 after so many years. I also know what all the troops who have served under me think about me, and that is all I care about. My priorities are to take care of my people, do my job, then consider what people think about me. In that order. I have always told my soldiers/airmen that if they are being screwed over that I will do everything I can to help them out, even if it makes leadership turds angry at me. The promotion systems in the military are so screwed these days. Be a yes man and look out for yourself and you will promote. Do your job and place your people first, and you probably won't.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2022 5:09 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:09:42 -0400

I was ARNG left as an E5 with 22 years I've no problem for anyone who asks i was initially Active AF then got out for like 16 years went back in did a 3 years Active army got injured recovered and the rest of the time was happy as an E5. Also my civilian education was more important to me than military schooling. So do let it bum you out.

Response by SrA David Long made Mar 17 at 2022 1:43 AM

SrA David Long — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 01:43:39 -0400

No. it's your life,do what make you happy

Response by CPT Dawn Olson made Mar 18 at 2022 10:48 AM

CPT Dawn Olson — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 10:48:31 -0400

You’ve served your country - do what is right for YOU!! I learned the hard way that YOU have to do what is best for YOU…..NOT what is best for the military although I am proud to have served and would do it again. THANK YOU for your service

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2022 7:54 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Apr 2022 07:54:41 -0400

You need to do what's best for you and your family. You need to a good discussion with your spouse about the decision. 8yrs is a long time. I got out after 8yrs of active duty and regretted it. Came back in the Reserves after a 9yr break and I have over 23 in now.

Give it some good thought.

Response by MSgt Mark Donaldson made Apr 8 at 2022 9:57 AM

MSgt Mark Donaldson — Fri, 08 Apr 2022 09:57:30 -0400

After 24 years as an active duty Marine one thing is for sure….. once you leave they don’t know you from atom. They may like what you did while there but when your gone, your forgotten. I agree with a previous comment; F—-K ‘EM !

Response by LTC Wayne Yamashita made Apr 8 at 2022 9:38 PM

LTC Wayne Yamashita — Fri, 08 Apr 2022 21:38:45 -0400

When I joined the Army National Guard, my goal was to make the rank of Captain within the 8 year ROTC Commitment and then get out. I had a State Job and wanted to focus on my civilian career.
Fortunately, I had good senior officer mentors who encouraged me to stay in. I'm glad I did stay in and rose to the rank of LTC and retired with 21 years of service. I turned 60 last year and now enjoying a nice military retirement pension. I highly encourage you to stay in. One of the things I miss the most after retirement is not having the opportunity to wear the uniform and work with soldiers. I've met some of the smart and outstanding NCOs and Officers that leads me to believe that our country's defense is in good hands. Good luck with your decision.

Response by LTC Wayne Yamashita made Apr 8 at 2022 9:45 PM

LTC Wayne Yamashita — Fri, 08 Apr 2022 21:45:13 -0400

I joined the Army National Guard and my original plan was to serve out my 8 year ROTC commitment and make the rank of Captain. I had a state job and wanted to focus on my civilian career. Fortunately, I had good senior mentors who encouraged me to stay in. I'm glad that I listened because I was able to retired as a LTC with 21 years of service. I just turned 60 and now I'm enjoying my military retirement pension and retired from the State. The thing I miss the most since retiring is not being able to wear the uniform and working with smart and outstanding NCOs and Officers. Good luck with your decision. Take care.

Response by SSG Ray Elliott made Apr 9 at 2022 7:36 PM

SSG Ray Elliott — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 19:36:27 -0400

Do what works for you and your family. Once your initial obligation is over, you are free to resign your commission any time.

Response by Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. made Apr 10 at 2022 11:15 AM

Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 11:15:10 -0400

Except for Naval Academy graduates, most USMC Officers are commissioned in the USMC Reserve on Active Duty for a 3/4 year contract. At the end of 3/4 years you would have been promotes to 1st Lt after 18 months and Honorably Discharged. You can apply to remain a Reservist on Active Duty under a new contract and or apply to complete for a USMC Regular Commission as a career Marine. You can also apply for active reserve duty or IIR status.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Apr 10 at 2022 12:35 PM

MSG Thomas Currie — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:35:38 -0400

As others have pointed out, in the Active army, for most officers just fulfilling your obligated service will get you to CPT. I don't have access to any numbers now, but I would suspect that quite a few officers leave the National Guard and Reserve as O-2 due to the lower number of promotion opportunities.

It doesn't sound like you are looking toward a military career. While you could hang on to your reserve commission, there doesn't seem to be any strong interest. Unless things have changed, there is only one Cav troop in the Florida National Guard so Armor officer positions are rather sparse.

I doubt that anyone would be especially concerned if you left the service as an O-2. At worst some civilian hiring manager might notice that most former officers left as O-3, but the simple explanation that the National Guard didn't have any open O-3 positions should suffice -- especially if your ratings are all good and you are doing well in your civilian career.

So I have to agree with the consensus -- do whatever seems best for yourself and your family.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2022 12:30 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:30:42 -0400

Your career was always in your hands.

Response by SPC Andrew Toombs made Apr 14 at 2022 11:19 AM

SPC Andrew Toombs — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:19:18 -0400

Sir, that is alot of responsibility to work with. I wish you luck with good integration with your team. I know you guys deal with the protocal parameter policies, but my advice is make sure the orders give work for the troops to be able to course/recourse a situation, because the enemy will use the rules/law/parameters to make their traps to cause a gain or political scene. I reconmend that you have team discussion to ID faults in the orders, training, deployment. Situations do change, and Change is a Butchering of the Full Note to aid in calculated attacks, so sometimes, setting up traps works. Because my experience with LAW through informal events in my life, what I learned in jail is the criminal elements will scope and test and cause distractions, then test runs to review response.

Response by 1LT Kimberly Kertis made Apr 14 at 2022 6:20 PM

1LT Kimberly Kertis — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:20:40 -0400

I left as an O-2, never regretted it. It is a personal choice. The rest of the world just doesn’t care.

Response by 1LT Kimberly Kertis made Apr 14 at 2022 6:25 PM

1LT Kimberly Kertis — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 18:25:04 -0400

I was an O-2 when I left. For me, it became a financial choice. I have never regretted it. Staying or going? Many can share their stories, but what works for you personally and professionally is the driver. You aren’t walking away or letting anyone down, just balancing competing priorities. Good luck with your decision.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Apr 15 at 2022 12:29 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 12:29:30 -0400

I was discharged as an O3 (so was my wife). We both went into the Reserves and completed 20 (28, in my case) good years. I became an O5, and my wife was an O4 when each of us retired.

You do as you see fit. There is no hanging your head in any case.

Response by SR Kenneth Beck made Apr 15 at 2022 12:48 PM

SR Kenneth Beck — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 12:48:29 -0400

Several young officers gave their all.
David R. Kingsley 2d Lt. Medal of Honor WW2

Response by MAJ Robert Whitman made Apr 17 at 2022 11:58 AM

MAJ Robert Whitman — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:58:40 -0400

Your situation can go several directions. As others have pointed out, you served honorably and have little to worry about.

I work with several new-hire pilots who are anxious to start their airline careers and leave the military as senior O-2s/ junior O-3s/CW2 or 3. There seems to be little problem. There was one who got about half her flight time as a student pilot and that raised some eyebrows.

You’re at a point where one seriously considers leaving the military all together or continuing in a civilian career while still serving in the ARNG/USAR. I’m in the category of staying in to get 20 years. The pension is nice but Tricare as a retiree is even better. If this is a viable option, I strongly recommend you consider it.

Good luck, soldier!

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Apr 17 at 2022 6:38 PM

1SG Michael Farrell — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:38:11 -0400

If you really want to be a soldier, stay in. If you have other things you really want to do, complete your time and remember to encourage other folks to enlist and see how it works for them. There's more truth to the old Jody call about "Got a letter in the mail/join the Army, go to jail!" than people thing. You answered a call, you came, you served and you need to decide based on your situation. What looks bad about leaving the service is leaving because they kicked you out.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2022 3:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:19:58 -0400

Waaaaay back in 1996, I had a PL who was a good officer and great leader, he just had other plans that didn’t include making the army a career. He got out as an O-2. It’s probably not as uncommon as one might think. You have to do whatever is right for your personal situation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2022 3:34 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 May 2022 15:34:49 -0400

Try the ING for a year, and see if you miss us

Response by 1LT Charles Jasper made May 12 at 2022 4:38 PM

1LT Charles Jasper — Thu, 12 May 2022 16:38:45 -0400

Depends on the circumstances but with what I've seen happening to the Army these days you couldn't keep me if I wanted it. So no, I don't think so. Not anymore. And most civilians don't know or care.

Response by MAJ Sv Reinis made May 12 at 2022 8:44 PM

MAJ Sv Reinis — Thu, 12 May 2022 20:44:30 -0400

If you decided to stay in, take the slow boat and you will retire. The slow boat is maxing out as long you can before taking that promotion and you will learn a lot more than your peers. now, 1Lt's that I knew wished they have stayed. I prefer the NG over the Reserves; but the Reserves is easier to balancing life.

Response by SFC William Linnell made May 15 at 2022 5:30 PM

SFC William Linnell — Sun, 15 May 2022 17:30:00 -0400

Hey tanker. Nothing to be ashamed of. National Guard is a whole other animal when it comes to promotions. Active, you'd be a CPT by now and done with your command time. Plus you could be continuing your education all paid for by Uncle Sam.

I would imagine that your college loan is all taken care of and not owe any more money since being in for 8 years so far. Just remember that you have to take care of you and your family. As I learned early in my career, No one takes better care of you than you.

Good luck on your deployment tanker, keep safe over there. Keep your head on a swivel out there wearing the badge. I got your 6.

Response by Maj Gail Lofdahl made May 16 at 2022 5:27 AM

Maj Gail Lofdahl — Mon, 16 May 2022 05:27:31 -0400

Don't discount a reserve career, whatever you decide. I retired active duty; my husband left AD and did a total of 30 AD and in the AF reserves. Someone once told me, "Blink once and you're 18, blink again and you're 25, blink again and you're 40." I could add, "Blink again and you're 65." You WILL get old (God willing). Maximize the retired pay you're receive, both civilian and military. It's the difference between managing and living comfortably.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2022 11:51 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 May 2022 11:51:23 -0400

The pay for an 01 or 02 is so low . College grad. get almost 3 times the pay on the outside !

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2022 5:38 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 May 2022 17:38:57 -0400

Let’s start with. No one cares about your career but you. But. Dude. I’d look real hard at your state. They are fucking you somewhere. It’s very easy to move someone into excess and promote an O2 to O3. Your state is doing you no favors. The joy of the guard that the grey beards don’t realize these days is that you can vote with your feet. If your state won’t take care of you it’s very easy to IST. Drive 2 hours for drill and get better support and care somewhere else. I tell soldiers to move all the time from states with shitty tuition assistance to good tuition assistance.

Response by CPL Mark Kirkpatrick made May 21 at 2022 5:03 PM

CPL Mark Kirkpatrick — Sat, 21 May 2022 17:03:58 -0400

As long as you did your duty and were a good LT, you have no reason to despair. Do what is best for your family. Officers do not advance as fast as we did. There is no reason to think that 8 years and 1LT is anything but good. Enjoy Florida and your baby and live the rest of your life with no doubts.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made May 26 at 2022 9:56 AM

COL Carl Jensen — Thu, 26 May 2022 09:56:24 -0400

Its better to leave as an O-5 or O-6, even as a USAR or NG, in the words of a wise old O-5 who encourage me to stay when I was up for Capt.; "You won't believe in the size of the check you will get when you retire." He was a WWII Vet.. All the courses etc. that come beyond O-2 have to be dealt with, but the same effort would also apply to civilian life. What we get in life is what we put into it. A Civilian/Military career worked fine for me. E-1 to O-6, my co-worker was correct, that retirement check was unexpected.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Jun 21 at 2022 2:17 PM

SPC Robert Bobo — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:17:47 -0400

Reality is I came across some very sharp highly competent 02's that elected to get out and pursue civilian opportunities, similar to law enforcement officers who elect to step away from police work at 5 to 10 years, lives and priorities change, the opportunities especially these days are substantial for hard chagers with that military leadership foundation , work ethic. ability to quickly adapt to change and civilian world, especially those frontline leaders

Response by SFC David Hackett made Jun 22 at 2022 8:53 PM

SFC David Hackett — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 20:53:40 -0400

I work in the dental clinic at Ft Bliss now as a GS civilian after retirement and I can honestly tell you between 5-10 1Lt's every week come thru the clinic to clear because they are ETS'ing. Think nothing about it as an honorably discharged veteran. What I will say is consider finishing up your 20 as a reservist or guardsmen since you are almost half way there. Consider it like an IRA. When you are about 60 you can start cashing in your retirement options. I tell people to look at the big picture this way by saying this "if I am 95 years old on the 1st of the month what's going to happen"? They look at me like they have no idea what I am talking about then I repeat it. When they say " I don't know", I say "I'm getting my retirement check". They get it then. That's the big picture, a lifetime pension.

Response by SCPO Jeff Conz made Jul 1 at 2022 8:22 PM

SCPO Jeff Conz — Fri, 01 Jul 2022 20:22:30 -0400

I think you have to do what’s best for you!

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jul 4 at 2022 3:54 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:54:20 -0400

I can guarantee you one thing, when your twenty year date approaches, you will say I could have retired from the military. Everybody that I have came across that served, said that. I served 39 years in, came across allot of people. Make sure you are willing to give it all up. With eight years in, that is your jump out or go the distance

Response by CPL Thaddeus Humiston made Jul 4 at 2022 6:45 PM

CPL Thaddeus Humiston — Mon, 04 Jul 2022 18:45:27 -0400

Sir, going from combat officer to law enforcement is not a good choice. You only know how to use a hammer therefore everything is a nail. Get my drift "shoot now ask questions later". Just go regular army quit screwing around, maybe get a new mo's, just stay in. Be a good dad and a good husband it'll be fine.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2022 2:39 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Jul 2022 14:39:49 -0400

I've served in all three components of The Army. I am prior enlisted. Being in the Army Reserve or Army National Guard is different from in many ways especially when it comes to finding a unit needing a given grade and branch. There are historically, I'm sure, many cases when people left The Army as a 1LT. Think of WWII, lots of discharges in a rapidly downsizing army. I was discharged from Active Duty in 1997 a 1LT (involuntarily) as part of a reduction in force (RIF). It was referred to as the 20,000 officer draw down. Fast forward a few years to 2003 and I received a call that I was going to be ordered to active duty from the IRR. My options were to return to Active Duty, Join the Ready Reserve, or be called up from IRR. I chose the Ready Reserve. By Summer of that year, I became aware that I was being mobilized in support of OEF. My wife was very supportive (a key to keeping things together at home); she also is a veteran discharged as a 1LT during the same RIF. I was leaving her manage the home front with 3 in diapers. 545 days of active duty followed and upon my return home I decided to go for it. Balancing full time civilian employment, Army Reserve/National Guard, and family lift is challenging. It is especially challenging for leaders; the more responsibility you have the more difficult it becomes to balance. The key is support from employer and family. When I retired, my wife received a certificate of appreciation (man did she earn it). There are also programs to recognize employer support of The Guard and Reserve. Think about requesting recognition for your employer.

If I read your post right, you are facing a deployment. My advice, be the best leader you know how. Do what is right and moral. Know and follow Army Regulations and Army Doctrine. When you get home, I hope you can reach an experience informed decision. When I looked on my collar and later my chest, I never thought I would seed two bars or let alone oak leaves. Life has a funny way of making turns and loops. In the meantime, be deliberate about your career until you decide. That way your positioned for promotion. In any case, you have served your country I presume with honor. That is a thing that many are unwilling or unable to do. In my opinion, that is a good not bad. Best of Luck. Come home safe.

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Jul 7 at 2022 11:35 AM

SFC Frederick Dalton — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:35:08 -0400

It’s your call Sir, do what you feel is best for you. I’d guess leaving the Army as an O-2 is more common in the guard than active duty. I saw an officer leave as an O-1 once, but there was a DUI involved. Hated to see him go, real sharp guy, could’ve been awesome at higher rank. But, one dumb decision cancelled all the good stuff.

Response by CPO David R. D. made Jul 7 at 2022 4:19 PM

CPO David R. D. — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 16:19:21 -0400

I know it's already been said, but you've got to do what's best for your family. My other thought, being a retired Navy Chief Petty Officer, things must be really different in the Reserves and National Guard. 8 years service and you're only an O-2? Where you prior enlisted? Why didn't you promote when you had the chance? I'm guessing PL is Platoon Leader? I'm also guessing there are no HYTs in the Reserves or Guard?

Bottom line, do what makes you happy, but family should come first. Looks like you have two really HIGH stress jobs. Military (deployments) and Law Enforcement with the chaos of today's world.

Ok, that's how I would have responded. So, now that we are 13 months later, did you make a choice?

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Jul 11 at 2022 10:28 AM

1LT William Clardy — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 10:28:58 -0400

I was just going to say that I resemble this question, 1LT Wes Mincin, but the truth is it's mostly been a bemusing point of introduction with other former military types - the ones who raise an eyebrow because they know there *has* to be a story behind that (my enlisted time was much more checkered than my commissioned time).
As far as civilians go, most of them are too busy mumbling "Thank you for your service" to say anything iffy.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Aug 6 at 2022 1:46 AM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 01:46:32 -0400

It doesn't happen very much but it does happen. Health issues, prior enlisted service or any of a number of other conditions could cause an earlier retirement. We choose what is most important in our lives and honorable service is honorable service. If I were in your shoes--and I'm not--I would probably stick around and go for the brass ring (captain's bars) but your priorities may be much different than mine. In any case, best of luck in your future ventures and thanks for your service!

Response by COL Andrew Burns made Aug 6 at 2022 7:51 AM

COL Andrew Burns — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 07:51:09 -0400

I highly recommend that you transfer to Florida! You have the right to take care of family first! When you transfer to Florida, you can find a better unit! The is the drawback of the ANG! If you are in the “Mix” you are fine but if you cross the powers that be, you are done! Leaving as an O-2 makes you have to explain. It gets tiring! You can get a new start! Don’t let them take from you!

Response by CPT William Pearson made Aug 6 at 2022 11:13 PM

CPT William Pearson — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 23:13:56 -0400

Wes,
Been in your shoes. I stayed and made O-3, but it was a hectic time. You need support in civilian world if you decide to resign your commission. Make sure your medical and financial system is set. It is a tough transition as The Army took care of me for five years and I decided to teach school and have a family. I didn’t have the connections and had to start all over again which is stressful, with injuries, PTSD, and the stress of dealing with ignorant civilians. My Ranger training helped. The biggest room of all is the room for improvement.
Best,
Dai uy

Response by MSgt Janice Trojan made Aug 7 at 2022 12:42 AM

MSgt Janice Trojan — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 00:42:57 -0400

ME! Mister Cotter pick me. (Old humor) Retired enlisted. but the time you have; do the course. I so enjoyed my time from my career to do TDY's in the reserves. Woke stuff sucks. Racial disharmony sucks. My career was smooth sailing politically minus the Clinton years. I am 61 enjoying a nice little retirement. Add all the active you can. and God Bless Trump gets back in office and it won't be painful.

Response by CW3 Douglas Cruickshank made Aug 7 at 2022 8:51 AM

CW3 Douglas Cruickshank — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:51:08 -0400

Suppose you do not like what you are doing. LEAVE!! All you will do is drag the Company and the Troops down when you are seen not wanting to be there if you are able to leave then go. No shame in getting out.
CW3 Ret. Douglas Cruickshank

Response by CWO3 Dennis M. made Aug 7 at 2022 8:11 PM

CWO3 Dennis M. — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 20:11:54 -0400

If they are not happy, or doing a good job, NOT Faster enough is my response!

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2022 4:25 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 16:25:04 -0400

I retired from the Air Force in 1997. In all the time since then, there have been very few (probably less than a 10) people who've asked me what rank I was when I retired, and none of those people were involved in my job interviews. Do what's right for you and your family.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Aug 9 at 2022 6:26 AM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 06:26:24 -0400

You already have a job and career so it’s not like you are relying on your Army time to land you a job.

At this point, 8 years of ARNG time is frosting on the cake, not the main course.

Response by CPT Joel Evans made Aug 9 at 2022 11:59 AM

CPT Joel Evans — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 11:59:01 -0400

Interestingly enough, I retired from both law enforcement and the Army. I retired out as an 03 and have always regretted not staying in, after 22 years of combined service. That being said, it was my choice not theirs to retire. You have served and paid your dues. Do what is best for your family. I would suggest that perhaps you think of their future as well. On the other hand staying in and making 03 would feel good, absolutely feel good. As with anything worthwhile, your family and or your service is worth the effort.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2022 3:05 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:05:07 -0400

One of my old PLs got separated as a 2LT for carrying on a relationship with a Private.

Response by Lt Col Dan Janning made Aug 11 at 2022 7:43 AM

Lt Col Dan Janning — Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:43:55 -0400

If you were active the whole time as an officer, then it would raise questions about why you left as an O-2...medical? force reduction? got in trouble? But as NG or Reserves I doubt anyone would think twice, esp civilians. You have to do whats right for you and your family. Since you say you are moving to Florida, maybe once you get settled there check with any local Guard units and maybe you will find a Guard/Work/Life balance that works for you better than your current unit. Good luck.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Aug 13 at 2022 3:25 PM

Lt Col Bill Fletcher — Sat, 13 Aug 2022 15:25:08 -0400

As a Guardsman it comes down to 2 main points. Is your desire to serve your Country outweighed by your requirements for family and your civilian employment? Once you can answer that question the rest is easy. I will say that the check and Tricare at 60 are nice benefits and should figure 8nto any equation.