How should service members conduct themselves in public?

2015-04-07T03:57:00-04:00

I found this video on Youtube (see above). WARNING: NOT WORK OR CHILDREN FRIENDLY - CONTAINS PROFANE LANGUAGE. It depicts an alleged service member acting out of line at a traffic accident. I actually received second-hand embarrassment for my brother in arms because people will see this and judge the entire military for one guy. It takes one individual to ruin everything. Whether I am in uniform or civilian attire, I conduct myself with the utmost pride and professionalism. You never know who is watching or filming in this case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rym5unx0ZCo

Road Rage Marine

CAMP PENDLETON - A violent outburst by a Camp Pendleton Marine during an apparent road rage incident was caught on camera by the passenger of a truck on base...

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 4:42 AM

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I can't see the video at work but pretty sure I have seen it before. Of course we should always conduct ourselves professionally on and off duty. I try to avoid any situations that may end in a bad light, I am also too old to fly into uncontrollable road rage.

With all that said, it is hard not to push someone's face in for jackassery or douchebagness. Sometimes people just need a good ass whoopin, including fellow service members that think they are above anyone else.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 5:16 AM

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I think the country reflects the motives the media and your politicians. The voting public is apathetic and happy with it because if they weren't they wouldn't be so callous and spiteful.

Response by MSgt Garrick Hill made Apr 7 at 2015 8:34 AM

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Angry dude in video needs to be evaluated by mental health professionals, many resources available out there. That being said all serving members need to conduct themselves with the mind set that they represent the military regardless of duty status.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 9:06 AM

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I have lost my bearing in public before. It was warranted. I guy grabbed my wife's ass when she returned from a bathroom. I was in uniform...I started yelling from my seat. I was grabbed as soon as I got up by a guy sitting in the booth parallel with mine. His friends handled that situation so I would not get in trouble...

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Apr 7 at 2015 4:08 PM

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I cannot and will not attempt to justify the actions of the Marine HOWEVER, the civilian male in the drivers seat could have and probably should have drove away from the scene. I understand the Marine was furious because his spouse was pregnant and the guy in the truck didn't bother to check to see if they were ok.

There's almost always more to the story that what is just on the surface. The Marine had just been notified that due to his gunshot sustained in Afghanistan, that he would most likely not be allowed to remain in service - this has no bearing on the driver of the vehicle, and I am sure this is not why he was hit. The civilian admitted the Marine later apologized but indicated he didn't believe it was sincere.....I wonder why the civilian didn't demand a more sincere apology, probably didn't want the dog crap slapped out of him!

***(edited - thanks for the azimuth check SSG Private RallyPoint Member & 1SG Private RallyPoint Member!)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 5:10 PM

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Sorry but this guy need serious help. He became more macho after his buddies come. He needs help pregnant or not, he should be concerned about his wife and not act like an animal. Kudos to the guy in the car!

Response by PO3 Scott Petty made Apr 7 at 2015 5:53 PM

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With Professionalism that reflects well on the Military!!

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 6:12 PM

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This is completely unacceptable for military members to conduct themselves in this manner. Yes, the guy rearended him, but he diesnt know the situation. THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED AN ACCIDENT. I am pretty sure the guy that rear ended the marine did not intend for that to happen. This response from the marine is completely conduct unbecoming a US Marine and should be forwarded as such. No the entire military is not like this but a few people like him ruin it for the rest of us. He should be made an example of that this type of behavior is not acceptable.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 6:18 PM

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All service members should set the example. Getting mad is ok but how you handle the anger is something we need to teach our younger generation.

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 6:23 PM

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I remember this incident well. It happened on Camp Pendleton and the Marine driving who was being verbally attacked was a wounded warrior. the other Marine has some serious issues with anger (captain obvious here), and I think he was given NJP for the incident. How embarrassing for his wife.....

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2015 7:01 PM

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I definitely don't condone the Marine's actions, however there is always more to the story. Something else had to have happened for this Marine to do this on base off all places. Could he have conducted himself better? Yes. Was he wrong? I don't know without knowing all the facts.

Response by PO1 Mike Doll made Apr 7 at 2015 7:36 PM

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This Marine could be facing a truckload of charges in accordance with UCMJ. It is tough to deny the charges at "office hours" ("captain's mast", or Article 15 in other services) when a phone cam is staring in your face. Many service members forget proper conduct is a 24 hour job (when on duty, off duty, at work, or off of work). With modern technology, service members need to be even more careful.

Response by SSG(P) Jarrod Taylor made Apr 7 at 2015 7:49 PM

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This is an older video. It made its rounds through social media a year or two ago.

This service member's behavior certainly brings discredit to the military service, but I have to admit, I have experienced that sort of uncontrollable rage. Fortunately, I wasn't recorded creaking out on someone.

Something else to think about, is the fact that this video only shows part of the incident. We don't know what happened or what was said before the camera came out.

Response by CPT Bruce Rodgers made Apr 7 at 2015 8:27 PM

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It did appear in the video like a uniformed NCO arrived on scene and took charge, so the video is not a complete loss

Response by SPC Richard Walsh made Apr 7 at 2015 9:57 PM

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No excuse for that behavior should be counciled and mandatory mental hygiene.

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Apr 7 at 2015 10:54 PM

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1) He is not an alleged service mementos, he is/was a Marine Sergeant to be exact.

2) The male driver being screamed at was transporting a disabled female Marine that had to use a wheel chair. So the screaming Marine is calling a fellow and disabled Marine a whore among many other vulgarities that he screamed at her.

3) The screaming Sgt. claimed PTSD made him act that way. I'm calling BS on that one.

4) The belligerent Marine was cited and investigated, however at this time I can find no results on what decision was made about how to discipline this Marine. This happened in April of 2013.

5) This behavior is absolutely unacceptable, regardless if PTSD had anything to do with it or not. Everyone must be held accountable for their actions.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 8 at 2015 12:10 AM

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Always in a manner your service, your mom, your 1SG and your Commander would proud of. Like it or not, 24/7 you represent your service.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 9:29 AM

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Wow!!! I cannot imagine what additional context that would make his apoplexy acceptable.

Response by Sgt Ryan Rhue made Apr 8 at 2015 9:37 AM

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I don't know what I find more out of sorts here. The fact that the Marine being recorded totally dropped his pack and lost all discipline or the fact that a fellow service member recorded this and put it on You Tube. Both are wrong for doing so. What is happening to My Marine Corps these days. The young corps that I have ran across have a serious lack of discipline and common courtesy. This is not high school Marines you represent your country, your state and your home town. Is this how you want them to see you? Tighten your dang straps up and do your part even if you feel you would be justified otherwise. Discretion is one of the better parts of Valor.

Response by LCpl Philip Hollen made Apr 8 at 2015 11:04 AM

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Service members should always, and let me stress this, ALWAYS conduct themselves in a kind, courteous and professional manner. While the Marine was without a doubt way out of line, I saw underlying signs of PTS as well. Hope my brother gets some help in any case.

Response by SSgt Rudy Malanum made Apr 8 at 2015 6:32 PM

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I'm no professional but that looks like PTSS to me.
Classic case of "Battle mind" where everything is a threat.
Time to come home and take the pack off bro

Response by SGT Frank Leonardo made Apr 8 at 2015 7:24 PM

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On or off duty a soldier should always conduct them selves as a professional no matter the situation

Response by PV2 Shawn Wolff made Apr 8 at 2015 7:50 PM

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code of conduct tossed out on this one... has that solder been tested for PTSD, drugs or alcohol? thank god he wasn't in uniform.

Response by SPC Brandon Cash made Apr 9 at 2015 12:08 AM

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This guy needs a big chicken dinner for that crap.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 8:46 AM

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If this guy is indeed in the military then his chain of command needs to see this. If he acts this way out of uniform then he will act this way in uniform also. A leader needs to talk to him before something truly bad happens.

On a separate note, he needs to be glad this did not happen in a state with concealed handgun laws or to someone that feels that they should react with a weapon rather than a video camera. This poor guy's attitude could have just caused his wife to become a widow or his mother to lose a son.

Response by Cpl Eric Plater made Apr 9 at 2015 8:53 AM

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Totally unacceptable! Auto insurance? I would say a beat down for the big mouth! But I doubt it would do any good!

Response by CPL Johnny Davis made Apr 9 at 2015 11:06 AM

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I can understand that the Marine yelling may have went a little over boared. And i also heard some say the driver was srivi.g a wheelchaired Vet. Bravo dor him driving. Bt did everyone miss the part were the Marine is yelling "You almost rear-ended my car and his wife was in it. I dont know about some of you, but you almost hit my car wife my wife or kid in it and id be ripping him out of that window. As for the handicapped Marine he wasnt threatening her. So let the sriver be a man, if he gets his ass beat for driving like a idiot then so be it. Lesson learned. But stop hiding behind to fa t that their was a handicapped person in the car. I myself am a U.S. Army Vet (19 Kilo Tanker). I had a lady texting tboned my motorcycle at 50mph, I was in a cima for 2 weeks, and then spent 9 minths mearning to walk again. And even i would of ounch the asshole that almost reared his car and sat to ignore him. Not once did I see him apologize for almost hitti.g him. It seem like alot of people are jjst skipping over the reasin why it was started to begin with. Ever here the saying "Theres two sides to every story"

Response by CPL Bill Siggelow made Apr 9 at 2015 11:33 AM

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You should conduct yourself in a professional manner no matter what the situation. In the video above, it's individuals acting like this that gives the impression that military members are thugs.

Response by SPC David S. made Apr 9 at 2015 2:02 PM

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I hope the Sgt loses a stripe over this. Totally uncalled for and very unbecoming of an NCO. Regardless of PTSD cliams he needs to be held accountable for his actions. He pulls that crap with me and I'll adjust his gig line in short order.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 4:38 PM

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I can see assault and battery charges rising their ugly heads. If you have PTSD or anger issues, you need to understand the consequences, and learn to turn on or off your battle mind. If it is to save someone's life, I have no problem about escalation of force, to defend yourself, and your loved ones and or innocent bystanders, but to feel you own people, and want to become dictatorial, no, it is what makes us different.

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Apr 9 at 2015 8:02 PM

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This is a disgrace. I hope this video made its way to his CoC.

Response by Cpl Jason Briese made Apr 9 at 2015 9:19 PM

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That Marine being San NCO should know better. That is not how a Marine should ever conduct themselves be it in civilian attire or uniform. They definitely should make an example of this Marine. Shame on him.

Response by LCpl Esdras Quintana jr made Apr 9 at 2015 11:52 PM

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I dont know what my brother has been through so I won't judge, get him help.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 11:58 PM

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Call it what it is, an unexeptable display of character by a less than worthy marine. There is absolutely no excuse for his actions and the majority of the comments on here are skirting around it trying to be PC.

Response by SSG Jesus Sijalbo made Apr 10 at 2015 1:16 AM

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Here is my two cents in hope to make a dollar, comment! As a former WTB soldier. I know that I am guilty of similar action as this. I also confronted a driver that almost hit the vehicle that my wife and my mother was in. Its true that there is a brief moment that you have no recollection, because of your abnormal reactions to a situation; it lasted just for a brief moment and then I've notice two frighten passengers and thats when I realize what I was doing. Just went back got back in my vehicle and left it as is. I said what I had to say to the driver, gave him a piece of my mind and thats it. Its my personal experience and I wont make any judgement to anyone but for those who understands the circumstances of being a wounded warrior with baggages that we all don't want. It is an example of what we all should not do or try not to do. It happens to the best of us. But we shouldn't blame it on PTSD, yes we should conduct ourselves in an appropriate manner and not to add on anymore stereotyping on Veterans who suffer from PTSD are Violent and being mindless individuals. We didn't asked for it and it should not be a reason to justify our action. That is irresponsible and it does tant our Service that we Honor. Get Help, No one should be left behind. God Bless to All.

Response by SSgt Buddy Essick made Apr 10 at 2015 7:08 AM

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It's my opinion that this Marines actions were taken to the extreme, you are part of a proud brotherhood conduct yourself accordingly... And I agree with Major Nasser he got real brave when others showed up... I'm embarrassed for him.

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made Apr 10 at 2015 8:10 AM

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Let me guess: Not like that??? :-)

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 8:30 AM

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We're only human. Everyone loses it once in a while. We could fry this dude on social media, or we could take the plank from our own eyes first.

Response by SFC Stephen Hester made Apr 10 at 2015 5:39 PM

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Military members are generally held to a higher standard of conduct than their civilian counterparts, even when out of uniform in public. People know (or at least have a pretty good idea) who service members are whether we realize it or not. Even as a retiree i have people ask me if I was in the military. Service members need to be cognizant of that when in public and conduct themselves in a manner that reflects positively on the service.

Response by SPC Angel Guma made Apr 10 at 2015 11:10 PM

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How he made it to E-5, we should be scratching our chins. He looks to be in his late 20s, early 30s. Now, we don't know his side of the story, but, PTSD should be no reason to lose your cool like that, especially being a Sgt in the Marine Corps. Again-we don't know all the facts though.

That being said, I would not be surprised if, after many years of flipping out like this on subordinates under him, he's just been psychologically warped into thinking he's plain entitled to act like this towards anyone he deems fit. This is probably not the first time with this guy. Years of getting away with it probably bred in him this mentality.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2015 12:18 AM

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I agree, when I was stationed at JBLM Soldiers were always making asses of themselves out in town!
We also have to think about our driving, while in public, whether, in uniform driving to work like jerks, or in civilian clothes with our military plates or stickers being inconsiderate to others. The other issue that I have are Army and Air Force personnel that are allowed to wear their utility uniforms out in town, swearing and being obnoxious in public. We are all human and none of us are perfect, I know I'm not, but I do think about what I say or do whether on base, or out in town. I am proud of my service and I do not want to shame my brothers and sisters!

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2015 8:44 AM

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His behavior is completely unacceptable! If this was someone that I was in charge of, I would definitely refer them to mental health for anger management or ptsd evaluation. Amazed by the drivers restraint in the video though.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2015 5:12 PM

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Anyone who speaks "Marine" would have obviously seen through this excentric display and easily translated it.... "Excuse me sir, it appears you nearly rear-ended me. Could you kindly step out and exchange insurance information so we can resolve this metter?"

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2015 7:26 PM

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He is a disgrace to all of us that wear the uniform

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2015 7:50 PM

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God forbid I rear end someone like that. That service member took a chance on that guy not having a concealed weapon whereas if he did have one the outcome could have been a dead service member. I normally don't lock my doors when driving and if were to get it into an accident and the other driver reacted that way I would definitely do everything to defend myself even if it meant deadly force. People need to realize that getting road rage isn't wise at all beacuase you never know the background of the other driver.

Response by 1stSgt Roger George made Apr 11 at 2015 9:54 PM

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I would have gone old school and kicked his ass on the street. Freaking kids just need a good ass whipping!

Response by SGT Leon Brimm made Apr 11 at 2015 9:55 PM

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Ridiculous. I have nothing else to say.

Response by PFC Ron Cattera made Apr 12 at 2015 6:43 AM

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This guy is a idiot.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 9:41 AM

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it was embarrassing for the Marine being angry and I proud of the Marine who kept to school but I'm still proud of our Marines simplify

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 2:28 PM

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He should not be in service , he needs psych evaluation !!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 2:35 PM

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Anyone who believes that this type of response has two sides needs to rethink their approach to this situation. The females in the car stayed calm while being betrayed by this idiot. Yes n my day in the Corps this was not condoned and I am sure the same exists today but the attitudes of not posting the video and the inclination that both parties made a mistake stuns me especially if you have this attitude and are in a position of command. Such postings of videos like these continue to ensure visibility and only those who think that this individual represents all are ignorant from the start so if the reasoning for not posting this type of video is to maintain a good PR stance I have news for you; FAIL

Response by SrA Marc Haynes made Apr 12 at 2015 3:45 PM

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My thought is that the behavior is unacceptable (period). The young marine needs to get the help he obviously needs. None of us know the underlying issues but him. He is carrying a large issue up in his head & from personal experience I know that being up their with all those thoughts is me being mentally behind enemy lines. I don't like being there, it is a BAD place for me to reside.

I hope and pray that he, and all the others like him, gets the needed help. We don't need to lose any more to suicide.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 6:03 PM

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I'm sorry I thought the driver of the vehicle sitting calmly was the marine?

Response by Cpl Adam Johns made Apr 12 at 2015 6:25 PM

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I was surprised this guy is or was a Sgt. Acts like a young PFC. Amazed that a Marine that acts this way made Sgt. Different time I guess. Service members should always act accordingly.

Response by CPL Mark Van Landingham made Apr 12 at 2015 7:40 PM

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Way out of line, get a hold of yourself. Weather your in the right or not in your case, your not with your actions. Your very lucky the guy didn't conceal carry, I would of shot you and would have been justified in my actions.

Response by SPC David Abbott made Apr 12 at 2015 8:37 PM

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Maintain military bearing at all time.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 10:03 PM

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I've watched that video over and over I still refuse to believe that he is a Marine

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 10:57 PM

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Every body is a Monday morning quarter back. If this is what you are spending your time on. You are the embarrassment.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 11:07 PM

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1. Obviously the "Marine" was not representing his branch of service positively. Very unprofessional! 2. I found it funny that the passengers were rocking some AC/DC while recording the video... 3. Lastly, I almost fell out of my chair when the passenger recording the videos told the driver not to get out after they had been sitting there for 2 minutes already. Did she just wake up?

Response by MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM made Apr 13 at 2015 7:27 AM

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On the surface it seems exaggerated and unprofessional. You should not judge. You have no idea what led up to that nor do you know if any of the parties had a TBI, PTSD or some other impairment. SFC F

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 11:21 AM

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That's a good productive memember of society. I wonder what kind of award he's getting for being achieving the best Marine of the year with one video. I'm sure he's got more stellar videos.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 12:33 PM

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I have PTSD and I don't do stupid crap like that. Thousands of other vets and service members have PTSD and don't do stupid crap like that. Granted, there are many that have more severe PTSD than I do - I'd say at that point you shouldn't be driving. Got to always remember you are not just representing yourself...you are representing your family, your service, and your country.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2015 7:46 PM

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Wow. Absolutely over-the-top. Over what appears, in the video, to be a fender bender at worst. I see comments being made of his reference to PTSD, and I am not one to say yay or nay to that claim, however, his behavior was absolutely unacceptable. His words and actions, especially having been put on the internet for the world to see, certainly reflect poorly on all of us in the public eye. If he needs help with emotional trauma or problems of any nature, he should definitely recieve such, but no one should even be attempting to find an excuse or justification as though what he did could ever be considered "right". I personally noted more than one time where he stepped back, slowed down for a second, took a breath (time to evaluate his current course), then rile up and charge back in.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 1:23 PM

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Is there ever any excuse to be this way? Self control! I have lost my temper before but it has never solved anything. Military bearing is always a must buy even at that, respect and self discipline is a must in our world. Military or not!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 2:03 PM

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Wow. I am embarrassed for the individuals in the car, this guy's wife, and most importantly, for this Marine. Regardless of what happened before the video started, this is no way to conduct oneself in any situation, no matter who you are (SM or Civilian). He has some issues that I hope he has gotten help for.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 11:33 AM

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Not acceptable behavior at all. Like the Col said at the top of this page, act in a way that your mother , grandmother, 1sg and commander would be proud of. I doubt he would have acted this way to his chain of command or family. Check yourself soldier!

Response by SGT John Wesley made Apr 29 at 2015 11:45 AM

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They should act like they're with their Mom. Quit posing like you're a player and act like a responsible adult and/or Military personnel.

Response by SSG John Mitchell made Oct 21 at 2015 1:13 PM

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I saw this a long time ago. Dude causing the ruckus was so far out of line it's not even funny. So you got rear ended. It happens. He's bitching about his Pregnant wife then that should be his priority. Not the Truck behind him. The Cops will take care of that. It's his fault. Making an ass of himself does nothing but get the blood pressure up, and if his CoC was anything like mine, loss of Rank and Pay.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 10:07 PM

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Well I'm sure he had a fun conversation with Top.