How will the event of Trump supporters storming the Capitol with weapons affect the fight to protect the 2nd Amendment for individuals?

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:06:18 -0500

The fight to protect 2nd Amendment rights has been ongoing throughout the Trump Administration. Supporters trying to demonstrate why law abiding citizens should retain their right to bear arms, for personal protection has been a heated issue. Now, that these law abiding, card carrying citizens have descended on the Capitol Building armed with assault weapons and chemicals causing Capitol Police to draw assault weapons in defense of a federal facility to protect the lawmakers, how do you think the Democratic controlled government will see their way to uphold the 2nd Amendment, in light of their lives being threatened by these very supporters of the 2nd Amendment?

Response by CSM Chuck Stafford made Jan 7 at 2021 6:07 AM

CSM Chuck Stafford — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:07:08 -0500

Doesn't move the needle in either direction

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Jan 7 at 2021 6:08 AM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:08:29 -0500

SGT Private RallyPoint Member,SGT Robert Pryor,Lt Col Charlie Brown

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 6:19 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:19:03 -0500

In my opinion weapons and the 2nd Amendment didn’t come into play in the happenings of yesterday. If there were mass weapons and explosives involved in yesterday’s events, there would have been many more causalities. Think about that, with all that happened that not more people were hurt, that tells you “most” of the people there were peacefully. This is a totally different story from the last half year with Antifa and Black Lives Matter assaulting people, rioting, and such. One can plainly see: some of these people have respect, some do not. MHO

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Jan 7 at 2021 6:29 AM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:29:16 -0500

Hopefully, they do not try to remove our rights from us PO3 Phyllis Maynard or what they saw yesterday will be regarded as a polite response

Response by 1SG Steven Imerman made Jan 7 at 2021 6:31 AM

1SG Steven Imerman — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:31:39 -0500

It's no different than Antifa or BLM supporters ambushing police, in my mind, and I don't think it will make a difference. I solidly condemn both sides, however these at the Capitol were going after the government, the perceived root of the problems they oppose, and not just burning, looting, and wilding in poor minority neighborhoods. That list includes Portland, south central Minneapolis, west Philadelphia, Louisville, and many others. I never did understand that part.

Response by LTC David Brown made Jan 7 at 2021 6:52 AM

LTC David Brown — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:52:22 -0500

I don’t think this will effect the second amendment any more than armed people seizing a section of Seattle and naming it Chaz.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 7:30 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 07:30:23 -0500

Probably. It may be the reason the capital police let them in to begin with.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Jan 7 at 2021 9:11 AM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 09:11:17 -0500

I'm just not finding the information on those storming the Capital. Please post who and what their politics are that did the deed.
Thx

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Jan 7 at 2021 12:06 PM

Cpl Mark McMiller — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 12:06:19 -0500

What were the Trump supporters armed with? I keep reading reports that they were armed, but the only details I've seen were that the police found a single AR in the trunk of a vehicle. If that was the only firearm found, none of the Trump supporters were armed with firearms and the headlines are hype. And since it is unlawful to carry a firearm without a permit in DC -- and DC is one of the hardest places in the world to get a permit -- if they really were armed with firearms, why didn't law enforcement simply arrest them prior to the rioting? Could it be that maybe they really weren't armed with firearms? The headlines all say, "FOUR PEOPLE DEAD", but the only person shot was a female Trump supporter who was shot by capital security while climbing through a barricade, and she's one of the four who died. If you or I shot someone who was merely trespassing, climbing through a barricade, we would be prosecuted for using deadly force against an unarmed person who had not threatened us in any manner; if that person died, we would be prosecuted for murder. The articles say the other three people died from other medical emergencies. Once you actually read the articles, the headlines appear to be all hype.

But regarding your question, The Dems now have majorities in the House and Senate and they have the Presidency, so it won't be difficult for them to pass whatever legislation they want, and they've been all about gun control for decades. I'm sure they'll hype what happened at the capital as an immediate reason for why the country needs gun control , but it really isn't even a blip on their radar for what they have already planned to do. Their problem is that any gun control legislation passed will be challenged in the courts by gun rights supporters. And those court cases potentially will make their way to the Supreme Court of the United States. And the 6-3 conservative majority on SCOTUS is much more likely than not to hand down a decision in favor of gun rights. And every SCOTUS decision in favor of gun rights is another nail in the coffin of gun control. So the Dems have to be very careful about what gun control legislation they pass because the more draconian the legislation, the more likely SCOTUS will shoot it down.

Finally, if you educate yourself on the 2nd Amendment, you'll find out that it exists to allow us, the people, to rise up, when necessary, against our own government, such as what happened at the capital. It's the linchpin freedom that protects all of our other freedoms because it makes politicians think twice. And that's why power-hungry politicians want to get rid of it. Because once it's gone, and all the guns in the hands of the citizens are gone, we will no longer be citizens but will be subjects; subject to tyranny from the power-hungry politicians.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 1:39 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:39:31 -0500

I think Democrats will use any excuse to make new gun control laws while conveniently ignoring the fact that over the past 4 years, including the riots in DC in 2017, liberals have used far more violence than was seen yesterday in furtherance of their political goals.
Democrat leaders including Obama, Pelosi. and Schumer defended liberal rioters by stating most of them were "peaceful protesters".

As for protesters/rioters carrying "assault weapons", I haven't seen any photos yet of any that entered Congress much less large numbers.
As for law enforcement in the congressional buildings having "assault weapons", I doubt they were carrying any. They were likely carrying pistols and possibly ar-15s.

One point of concern, while I highly support law enforcement, the shooting of an unarmed woman inside Congress needs to be investigated. Seeing as how she was a Trump supporter, I am not surprised that Liberals aren't demonstrating the shooting

BTW, "assault weapons" are fully automatic firearms which are highly restricted and relatively few people have them. The vast majority of rifles such as AR-15s and pistols are not fully automatic requiring someone to squeeze the trigger each time for the weapon to fire.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 3:36 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:36:07 -0500

They will use it as an excuse to take our weapons. "Imagine if the mob had AR15s?" or if Biden is speaking, "Imagine if the mob had AR-17s?"

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 8 at 2021 4:59 AM

Maj John Bell — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 04:59:57 -0500

I have not read widely about the protests yet. Are there reports that the protestors who had firearms were using them?

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jan 10 at 2021 8:34 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 20:34:22 -0500

As far as I know my friend PO3 Phyllis Maynard two have been charged with weapons offenses Lonnie Coffman, of Alabama [vehicle contained 11 explosive devices known as Molotov cocktails and firearms.] Christopher Alberts, of Maryland,[ Taurus G2C, 9mm handgun and 9mm caliber ammunition.]

1. To be honest, I would not be surprised if radicalized liberals attempt to use this incident to restrict rights including second amendment. Two people were arrested for possessing weapons without a license.
2. As far as I know nobody has been charged for possessing a licensed weapon in this incident.
3. I doubt if attempts to use this incident to add constraints to second amendment

Thirteen individuals have been charged with federal crimes. The defendants and charges are outlined below:
1. Cleveland Meredith was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with making interstate threats to Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
2. Richard Barnett, of Arkansas, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful entry; violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; and theft of public money, property, or records. Barnett allegedly entered a restricted are of the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
3. Lonnie Coffman, of Alabama, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with possession of an unregistered firearm (destructive device) and carrying a pistol without a license. It is alleged that Coffman’s vehicle contained 11 explosive devices known as Molotov cocktails and firearms. It is further alleged he was in possession of two firearms. Coffman was arrested and is currently being held. His detention hearing is scheduled for Jan. 12, 2021.
4. Mark Leffingwell, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; assault on a federal law enforcement officer; and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Leffingwell allegedly entered the Senate side of the Capitol and when stopped by law enforcement, struck an officer in the helmet and chest. Leffingwell is currently being held and has a detention hearing in district court today.
5. Christopher Alberts, of Maryland, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with carrying or having readily accessible, on the grounds of the United States Capitol Building, a firearm and ammunition. Specifically a Taurus G2C, 9mm handgun and 9mm caliber ammunition. The defendant appeared in district court and was released. He has a preliminary hearing scheduled for Jan. 28, 2021.
6. Joshua Pruitt, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority. The defendant appeared in district court and was released. He has a preliminary hearing scheduled for Jan. 28, 2021.
7. Matthew Council, of Florida, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. Council allegedly unlawfully entered the Capitol building, and when stopped by law enforcement, he pushed the officer.
8. Cindy Fitchett, of Virginia, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; or knowingly, with intent to impede government business or official functions, engaging in disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
9. Michael Curzio, of Florida, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; or knowingly, with intent to impede government business or official functions, engaging in disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
10. Douglas Sweet, of Florida, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; or knowingly, with intent to impede government business or official functions, engaging in disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
11. Bradley Ruskelas, of Illinois, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; or knowingly, with intent to impede government business or official functions, engaging in disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
12. Terry Brown, of Pennsylvania, was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; or knowingly, with intent to impede government business or official functions, engaging in disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
13. Thomas Gallagher was charged on Jan. 7, 2021, with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority; or knowingly, with intent to impede government business or official functions, engaging in disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds; and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.
In addition, approximately 40 individuals have been arrested and charged in Superior Court with offenses including, but not limited to, unlawful entry, curfew violations, and firearms-related crimes.

The cases are being prosecuted by the U.S Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and are being investigated jointly by the FBI; U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; United States Marshals Service; U.S. Capitol Police Department; and the Metropolitan Police Department.

The ATF and FBI continue to urge the public to report suspected use of explosive devices, or violent, destructive acts associated with the recent unrest. Anyone with information can call 1-888-ATF-TIPS ( [login to see] ), email [login to see] or submit information anonymously via ReportIt.com.'

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