How would you handle a situation where you saw a soldier (even one of your own soldiers) kneeling during our national anthem?

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Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2017 9:06 PM

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NJP I'd notify the chain of command

Response by SN Greg Wright made Oct 13 at 2017 9:20 PM

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Definite NJP.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2017 9:42 PM

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Depends on a few variations. For Reservists and NG, political activity both off base and NOT in uniform is allowed. (Unless you're Navy, then refer to Regulation 1205)
From what I've read on the DoD mandates, political activity is (mostly) prohibited on Active status. If we're going off DoD directive 1344.10, said soldier would not explicitly be in violation of any rules though. (If in civilians & not claiming association with the Armed Forces).
Any filings for NJP's/Article 15's may be tough to push through if the soldier knows his rights to participate.

Feel free to peruse DoD 1344.10, Sergeant.
https://www.fvap.gov/uploads/FVAP/Policies/doddirective134410.pdf

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Response by SPC Diana D. made Oct 13 at 2017 9:54 PM

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Why would you even be in the service if you felt that way?

Response by Maj John Bell made Oct 13 at 2017 10:12 PM

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Out of uniform and off-base, nothing identifying him or her as a service member; I'd let it pass.

In uniform or actively signaling that he/she is a service member, I'd identify myself and ask to see ID. Then I would ask their unit, the unit's phone number, and the unit's senior SNCO. Finally I would tell them that I would be referring the matter to their senior SNCO, and advise them that they probably want to make sure that SNCO knows before 0800 on the next work day. Because I will by 0815. And God help them if they've lied about what unit they belong to because I will track them down.

Response by CPT Doug Adams made Oct 13 at 2017 10:20 PM

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Counseling statement and extra duty

Response by Sgt Geary Johnson made Oct 14 at 2017 12:02 AM

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Slap the shit out of him drag him to C.O . I pray it dosent happen.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2017 3:01 AM

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In or out of uniform?

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Oct 14 at 2017 10:05 AM

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The correct thing to do would be put a No. 9 combat boot to his backside, but, I understand that due to all the "whiners" we have now, you can no longer do that, so, write him up for something !!

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Oct 14 at 2017 10:33 AM

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Article 15, in or out of uniform. As long as they are readily identifyable as a Soldier

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Oct 14 at 2017 5:59 PM

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A well placed No. 9 should do the trick !!!

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 14 at 2017 7:42 PM

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I would go all Machiavellian on him/her.

Response by TSgt Johnnie Keller made Oct 15 at 2017 8:21 AM

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It wouldn't go well for the soldier. Glad I am retired, to see a soldier doing this and I was still on active duty; I would probably get in trouble once all the dust settled.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Oct 15 at 2017 10:27 AM

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Depends on the circumstances.

Off duty and out of uniform, we would have a quiet conversation.

On duty and/or in uniform, he would have a really bad day.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2017 10:12 PM

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Handle? Kneeling because he lives in a country where they judge by color? Serve over seas and co e bavl to a country still mistreating him because of color? Having to abide by laws that where create not to protect him ENTIRELY protect whites? Understanding the "America" is the land of the free to the few and the rest are to fall in line? HELL YEA KNEEL! FIX THE REPRESENTATION OF THE COUNTRY! Equal rights period! Hate hearing this messing "everyone has a equall playing field' That is a joke.. People of color dont need a hand out! Need their FULL RIGHTS PERIOD. We serve OUR country and come home to this racist crap! Sometimes in the military as well.

Response by SSG Kenneth Boyer made Oct 16 at 2017 1:25 PM

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I would ask for their ID, get their unit information so I can report it to their platoon sergeant but I after I got their information, it would turn into a lot of knife hands and several few choice words. Chastise and Regulate!

Response by PO2 Ron Gunsolus made Oct 16 at 2017 1:28 PM

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Take several pictures of him in the act, making sure to get unit identification, then confront the individual while someone else video records the incident in case he becomes belligerent... then contact his CoC at several levels to ensure he is dealt with appropriately. Perhaps notifying the press as well with the pictures to ensure the individuals CoC is sufficiently motivated to hammer him to the fullest extent allowable.

Response by COL William Oseles made Oct 16 at 2017 1:34 PM

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If a soldier kneels during the National Anthem he or she can be Courts Martialed.
Free Speech in the military is constrained by the UCMJ.

DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY, extend these same requirements to all individuals on active duty.
Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 1:56 PM

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Off duty and out of uniform - NOTHING. I wouldn't do a thing.

Response by CPO Roger Gonzalez made Oct 16 at 2017 1:57 PM

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Not acceptable conduct (in or out of uniform)! You are not a civilian whether your in civilian attire and wearing nothing that identifies you as affiliated to the Armed Forces of the United States or in uniform.... You are subject to the UCMJ 24X7; you signed-up! No one forced you... Maintain military bearing in or out of uniform... Once you take the oath, you're no longer a civilian... you no longer enjoy those freedoms of speech and expressions... You represent the Armed Forces...and should act accordingly! Never kneel, you can sympathize but you can not participate! IT SHOULD BE THAT SIMPLE!

Response by LCpl Mark Riley made Oct 16 at 2017 2:13 PM

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Push for a big chicken dinner

Response by SPC Robert Coventry made Oct 16 at 2017 2:17 PM

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I would use the opportunity as a training opportunity and explain why we stand during the national anthem and help them to their feet.

Response by CSM William Payne made Oct 16 at 2017 2:23 PM

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In uniform, they'd better be a part of the PAO staff taking official file photographs of the ceremony. . . .

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 2:31 PM

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Probably call him a shitbag. I'm just a private

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Oct 16 at 2017 3:21 PM

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Can someone who is better versed in the MCM and UCMJ (JAG) correct me if i am wrong. I think that this situation would fall under Article 134, The General Article:

Since 1951, Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) has been the general article for all branches of the military.

Article 134 is a "catch-all" for many offenses that are not covered by other specific articles of the UCMJ. These other offenses, including their elements and punishments, are spelled out in Part IV, Punitive Articles (Paragraphs 60-113) of the Manual for Courts-Martial. They vary from kidnapping (para. 92) to disloyal statements (para. 72).

Article 134. General article:
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

— 10 U.S.C. § 934

Response by SFC Eric Hedberg made Oct 16 at 2017 3:35 PM

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Article 134 UCMJ.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 3:40 PM

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Off duty and out of uniform is whatever he wants to do.

In uniform, we’d have problems

Response by Cpl Chris Stroud made Oct 16 at 2017 4:54 PM

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Is it not a violation of the UCMJ? If nothing else, an Article 134 violation? Its not against Federal law for a servicemember to take a knee but on occasion, the UCMJ does not mirror Federal law.

Response by PO2 Nick Burke made Oct 16 at 2017 5:20 PM

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Report him/her to their chain of command. It is an egregious violation of the UCMJ. I would also take pictures for evidence and to publicly shame him/her

Response by 1SG Jack Crutcher made Oct 16 at 2017 7:34 PM

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I see a lot of answers are as bad as the one that is kneeling. I would continue to do the right thing until the Anthem ended and then take action. I think the Flag and Anthem should be respected by all. With todays technology and automatic cameras there should be no exception or free passes. I see cameramen with caps on kneeling down taking pictures of others kneeling down, how is one wrong and the others not?

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 9:35 PM

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My first movie night at CT School in Pensacola I was pleased to see all of us stand and sing along to the National Anthem. It was that way every time.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Oct 16 at 2017 10:29 PM

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Is he in formation? If he is on his knee he isn't at attention. Perhaps use his unit to convince him

Response by SPC Rudy Hawkins made Oct 16 at 2017 10:42 PM

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Active in uniform, correction is necessary....But I'm looking at the comments and laughing. Some people are talking about slapping and putting a boot up someone's ass, like they the only one who knows how to fight or defend themselves !!!! Another thing, I don't know any military person that died for the flag. They died for that man to the left and right of them, in the heat of battle. In your Oath of Enlistment, you don't even swear allegiance to the flag !!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 11:25 PM

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Hell, I'm out, he'd be in for an ass kicking.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2017 8:36 AM

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Regardless of being on duty or off duty I would start off with a conversation. I understand staying in your lane but at the same time maybe his leaders don't care. I had a soldier salute me when I was a SGT. I looked around to see if there was an officer around. I lost my mind. After I cooled down he apologized and let me know his Drill Sergeant told him to salute any type of officer Non Commission officers included. I think the Army loses a lot of potential because leaders don't want to mentor. This leads to soldiers hating or disrespecting the Army because they don't know what good leadership is. This is not an excuse because we would still have a firm talk on how he represents more then just himself with or without a uniform. You can pick out a lot of soldiers. I guess what I am saying is I would attemp to mentor a soldier. I would still ask for his information and attempt to contact his first line supervisor.

Response by SPC Rudy Hawkins made Oct 17 at 2017 4:15 PM

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After reading more of these comments, i have to laugh again.... If I had a dollar for every Marine (when i was in the Corps) and Soldier (Which I retired from) run into buildings and cars, at the first few notes of colors, I would have been rich !!!! Probably some are on here being "Mr Patriotic" !!!

Response by SPC Steven Peery made Oct 17 at 2017 4:31 PM

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Tell me that this is not a real problem. I can't imagine that a soldier would ever kneel while in uniform for the national anthem. If it did happen there are rules for dealing with this threw the proper officials and there are also fellow soldiers who will make sure that they see the error of their ways.

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Oct 17 at 2017 7:29 PM

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Conduct unbecoming, to the wall.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Oct 17 at 2017 8:10 PM

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Smoke session with the 1SG

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2017 8:29 PM

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That's a real good question. Can't put hands on Soldiers now days. All you really can do is write the Soldier up for failing to obey a lawful or direct order from NCO/Officer, etc etc.......... This whole kneeling thing just doesn't make sense. What does the national anthem have to do with police brutality?? I'm still trying to figure that out. Someone help me understand.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Oct 18 at 2017 12:13 AM

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Probably not very well. If it was one of mine I really not sure but they would regret it.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Oct 18 at 2017 3:54 AM

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I would ask what the point is and if he/she got mouthy, it would escalate from there fairly quickly.

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made Oct 18 at 2017 11:30 PM

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Take a picture of him, pull his ID card, send the picture to him CO and CSM. I n the words of one of my favorites, CSM Parkey... "I'm gonna smoke that ass."

Response by 1SG Matthew Aucompaugh made Oct 29 at 2017 8:47 AM

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We are soldiers 24/7. Professionalism is ingrained in us from the beginning. I would get his name and unit and inform his COC.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2017 10:13 PM

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Report them.as members of the armed forces, though we give others the right to do so, afi and Ari state that we are to, if out of uniform or in uniform not take part in any poitical movements so as to not give the public that we are as a whole or part biased towards a specific movement, inherently to further protect their rights.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2017 10:14 PM

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Also, we are required to be at attention for the national anthem, to pay courtesy to the fag, no matter what your preference or what you practice in private

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Nov 1 at 2017 1:43 AM

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SFC Private RallyPoint Member When Inwas much younger I would have jerked a knot in his posterior. Now that I am older and hopefully a little, I would get his or her attention in the fastest way possible. Then jerk a know in his posterior

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Nov 1 at 2017 5:46 AM

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Once upon a time the answer would have been straight forward. But, with our Constitution being watered down and the most visible leaders in the land disrespecting each other, the nation's laws, and military Leaders with new found life identities does anyone really think this service person can be held to a standard? For goodness sakes, what standards are left. The USA flag was used as art form in fashioning KKK hoods. Check out the trend on RP. The USA is in full blown anarchy.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Nov 1 at 2017 11:06 AM

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I wouldn't break ranks but I would write a well documented counseling statement with my recommendation of an Article 15 for insubordination and disrespect if the Soldier did not have a medical excuse.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2017 12:45 AM

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There is not a hole deep enough for them to crawl into

Response by PFC Robert Rice made Nov 4 at 2017 12:55 AM

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I would never allow any of my soldiers to disrespect the national anthem in that manner. They are supposed to be representing this country, their unit , and the U.S. Army. They would get smoked if I caught them doing that kind of thing.

Response by CPL Anthony Slaughter made Nov 4 at 2017 9:11 AM

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Kneeling puts them in the perfect position for my boot to make contact with a soft target. I also imagine a special guest appearance from Article 92.

Response by 1SG Rob Smith made Nov 5 at 2017 12:11 AM

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Extra training

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2017 2:23 AM

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The same way the navy dealt with the sailor that refused to stand for the national anthem I would make them do colors every morning and every night until they were processes out of the military

Response by SSgt John Carter made Nov 8 at 2017 12:05 PM

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Legally a soldier cannot. Follow the law is what you should do.

Response by SSG Jerry Anderson made Nov 8 at 2017 9:24 PM

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smoke the shit out of him or her.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2017 12:52 AM

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Educate him what happened at Fort McHenry the reason why the flag never fell because of the dead bodies of a soldier refusing to let the flag fall refusing to surrender to British country. We would not be here if it was not because of their sacrifice

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2018 9:52 AM

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Tell him not to protest while in uniform

Response by COL Dave Sims made Jan 14 at 2018 7:52 AM

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A little additional input...food for thought. Go on Wikipedia and read Bradley Manning's story...a total breakdown of the system - He should not have been allowed to enlist, he should have been dealt with very early on...and yet here we are today and he is running for the US Senate in Maryland. If you volunteer (and you must) to serve in the US Military ...you are automatically a role model. Stay away from the politics or do not join. Ours is not an easy profession, often thankless...but we serve and have served proudly.

Response by Matt Moon made Mar 18 at 2018 10:44 AM

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I would do whatever it tuck to make sure they got kicked out of the service.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2018 1:09 PM

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I would have to go nuts!! It might be illegal to say how I would handle the situation. But it involves using someone as a sock puppet.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2018 4:20 PM

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I don't like it, but it's there choice.

Response by SSG Anthony Pugh made Mar 18 at 2018 6:48 PM

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I would have locked his heals !!!

Response by LTC John Griscom made Mar 26 at 2018 2:48 PM

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Was the SM feeling ill or dizzy? If not, there's a serious need for a counseling session by a supervisor.

Response by GySgt David Lemanske made May 15 at 2018 5:52 PM

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Find their DI's and slap them for not tuning this creature right!

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made May 15 at 2018 8:01 PM

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In uniform- UCMJ request- in civies- a long talk

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 24 at 2018 8:50 AM

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REALLY, Why are they even wearing the uniform.

Response by PVT Dominique Stewart made Nov 10 at 2019 10:28 PM

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Nothing. Their right.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 2:17 AM

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If its in uniform then of course he/she should be reprimanded for the sole purpose of it being of political nature and taking a political stance while in uniform is against the UCMJ however if he/she is not in uniform he/she exercising their right to freedom of speech and should be respected since that is our right as Americans. We may not all agree with each other politically but at the end of the day we are all fighting the good fight.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 2:04 PM

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Notify his SNCO

Response by PV2 Andrew Slattum made Mar 5 at 2020 3:20 PM

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I’d let them maintain their freedom to choose because I swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. Under the 1st amendment nobody is required to stand for the anthem

Response by PFC Joel Murphy made Mar 5 at 2020 6:54 PM

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Kneel with him as long as he was kneeling for GOD

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 6:55 PM

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What’s the reason they are kneeling, for equally, something close to home, racial justice. I’d say that they aren’t going against the flag or the country, precisely because they are fighting for it. You know because they are a service member it is obvious that they are kneeling for the right reason, not to disgrace the flag or America. If they are walking around or on their phone that’s a different story but they are still quietly and respectfully fighting for something they believe is worth fighting for

Response by SSG Thomas Nash made Mar 5 at 2020 7:18 PM

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At the end of the anthem I would stand them at attention and question their actions. I would get their senior NCO's name and number if they were not my troop. I'd give them a call and explain what I had witnessed. I would also advise the troop as to what the military standards are in ref to the Anthem. Any other actions/conversations would depend on whether or not the situation escalated. If it was my soldier? Basically the same, but then we would drill, the entire section that is, on the proper actions to take during the anthem. We would many, many drills.

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Mar 5 at 2020 7:55 PM

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I have had soldiers meet me in front of my building 5 minutes before reveilly and retreat because I had caught them running into a build just avoid rendering the proper respect. This would go on for 7 days. In vehicles, the only one required to get out is the driver. As far as kneeling, a soldier is a soldier, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 366 or 366 days a year and should show respect for our GREAT NATION AND FLAG that others have fought and died for.

Response by A1C Jonathan Siwa made Mar 5 at 2020 8:11 PM

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I find it disrespectful over all. If this song is truly meant to honor the people who have served then your taking protest against the people who have given you the right to just that. Andthen andthen there it is. I have served to give you the right to protest in a manner that you see will give the best attention to your cause. So . . . . You see a soldier doing it then vet or enlisted or not. you better get by his side and kneel w him.

Response by Cadet PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 8:43 PM

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Out of uniform off duty, who would even know he’s a soldier, if he’s not protesting as a soldier then it would be hard to pursue legal consequences for him

Response by CPT James Coster made Mar 5 at 2020 8:56 PM

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i think kneeling during the National Anthem is incredibly disrespectful to all those who have given their life in defense of this nation. i further think that this act only draws attention to the person doing it and has absolutely no relevance or effect upon the myriad of social and political problems America faces. with that said, this is still a free country and if you appear as a civilian with no military reference at all visible, i would not take any action against the person. i might say: "you're an asshole" but that would be it. and of course, calling someone an asshole is MY Constitutional right.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 10:10 PM

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I’d have a some what polite conversation with him out of uniform. But if they are in uniform a blasting and notification to his Chain of command would have some words for him as well. And maybe a 6105

Response by Capt George E Ryan made Mar 6 at 2020 2:09 AM

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If he is wearing nothing to identify him/her as a soldier, I would let it pass. If I knew him/her, I would speak to him/her in private and ask why he was kneeling. I would use sound judgment and depending upon his/her response I would make proper referral action to his SNCO and so advise him/her that I was doing that.
If the soldier was in uniform, I would identify myself, ask him/her to identify him/herself, and advise him/her that I would report this incident to his commander or SNCO.

Response by PO2 Daniel Greer made Mar 6 at 2020 7:54 AM

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I would tell them to stand at attention, and if they refused I would contact their command to have them brought up on charges. The military is not there to practice democracy but to protect it.

Response by Cpl Dan Griffin made Mar 6 at 2020 8:43 AM

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Seek them out, have a conversation and probably advise them their superiors would be notified.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 9:07 AM

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on duty/in uniform definitely will go to chain of command

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 9:12 AM

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I would ask everyone to think about whether they could live as a POC (namely a black person in this situation since that it the topic) at any point in history. If a soldier is in uniform, we should all know that we have no political opinions once we dawn the uniform, but if a soldier is unrecognizable then he should be allowed to do it.
I hear a lot of people referencing article 134 of UCMJ saying that "all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces" but how would a soldier in civis who kneeling bring discredit to the armed forces. The reason for kneeling is to call attention to "the issues of racial inequality and police brutality" within america and I am pretty sure we can agree that both of those reasons are nothing anyone wants to go through. The original pose was turning your back towards the flag, but after being contacted by a veteran, it was changed to kneeling as reverence to those who have fallen while simultaneously bringing attention to the purpose.
The position was only radicalized by people who did not fully understand what the action meant, and it just steam rolled along carrying into conversations such as these. There are also those who say they have never seen racism in the military, and my response to that is that they've probably never seen because it is not something that impacts them. You don't notice that homeless people are becoming more frequent because it isn't something that affects you if you aren't homeless. I have definitely witness a lot of racism in the military, whether it is subtle (such as some of the comments in this post) or whether it was just plain disrespectful.

Response by SGT Larry Braswell made Mar 6 at 2020 9:41 AM

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Has that happened? I can't imagine a soldier doing that. It is no different than any other political protest, for which, when in uniform, you aren't supposed to participate in. I would hope the kneeling soldier would be praying rather than protesting. With the current crop of self entitled assholes we have in our youth pool, kinda hard to tell what to expect from those toads. I suppose i should not say anything though, because if I am not black, I can't have a valid opinion on it, according to some in this poll... A shame though... I thought we were all green. apparently, some didn't get the memo/message.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 12:20 PM

2020-03-06T12:20:07-05:00

If I knew it was a solider as one of my own or if he’s he was in uniform I would correct him/her immediately after the national anthem. Other wise I would just let it be.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 6 at 2020 4:46 PM

2020-03-06T16:46:40-05:00

I assume the soldier was in civies?

Response by David Stephenson made Mar 6 at 2020 5:18 PM

2020-03-06T17:18:09-05:00

Every federal employee, whether civilian or DOD, takes the Oath of office. Your personal feelings go out the window, and you are now a representative of the US government. As such you give honor to flag or you get out. Sounds to me like someone needs to go back through basic training.
Chain of command needs to be notified asap to take steps to educate this soldier on the meaning of conduct unbecoming.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 11:32 PM

2020-03-06T23:32:50-05:00

Personally, I stand.
I believe an AD service member may be in violation of Article 134, in or out of uniform.
Based on the slap, boot, or any other assault or battery on a person exercising their 1A rights, as a Veteran or civilian, pisses on the Constitution and those who fought, died, or otherwise sacrificed to support and defend the same. Someone exercising their 1A rights--rights one is born with--may offend you, but it isn't a slap to anyone who serves or died for this country.
Also, for all the keyboard commandos, you may be the one ending up with Kiwi breath.
You don't have to like it, or support it, and you can piss on an individual's Constitutionally protected rights, but that doesn't make them wrong or you right.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 11:39 PM

2020-03-06T23:39:55-05:00

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/08/pentagon-slams-colin-kaepernick-in-pearl-harbor-tweet-then-deletes-it/

Pentagon Slams Colin Kaepernick in Pearl Harbor Tweet, Then Deletes It

The Defense Department briefly seemed to endorse criticism of Kaepernick by Adm. Harry Harris, then thought better of it.

Response by Triston Hurst made Mar 7 at 2020 9:43 PM

2020-03-07T21:43:01-05:00

If I saw a soldier or one of my own kneeling during the national anthem , I would tell them to stand there ass up an honor that flag. An that there has been thousands before them that has died for that flag, along with protecting the freedom that comes along with it. The only way I would let someone get a pass on it if they were confined to a wheel chair or had a disability making it to where they couldn't stand.

Response by SPC Fred Scholl made Mar 14 at 2020 8:28 AM

2020-03-14T08:28:03-04:00

All of the above recommendations plus a blanket party ASAP.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2020 1:09 PM

2020-03-14T13:09:23-04:00

while in the service I saw another enlisted service member courts martialed for failing to stand for the national anthem in a post theater even though he was not in uniform. this happened at Ft Gordon Georgia in 1977 I was in AIT at the time 2 MP's came in and removed the service member from the theater after the movie started he was in the same AIT unit with me he was processed out as not being fit for military service under less than honorable discharge

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Mar 14 at 2020 4:09 PM

2020-03-14T16:09:03-04:00

Our Flag does not fly because the wind moves it.............
It flies with the LAST BREATH of each Soldier who died Protecting it!
Free speech notwithstanding, you disrespect the memory of all who have "given that last full measure of devotion". Stand for the Anthem.
Protest, it is your right, at another time.
Simple.

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made Mar 14 at 2020 4:26 PM

2020-03-14T16:26:13-04:00

Put him/her on flag detail.

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Mar 22 at 2020 1:51 PM

2020-03-22T13:51:18-04:00

Whether soldier, airman, or sailor, I’d wait for an opportunity and quietly show him my ID card and suggest —in a shortened form of the following—that kneeling is diametrically opposed to your oath and standards of conduct expressed in writing and traditions (standards and practices) and leave it there. That is assuming a public event. If in formation? Check with the appropriate senior enlisted. If it had been in my jurisdiction (now many years past), Article 15 and let command reiterate the standard. Something went wrong.
Short of felony issues, I’ve never found it productive to report a person to another command over a uniform or other issues like the kneeling. Besides, if in formation it’s really up to that command.

If I were the CO, first offense-warning; second offense-restriction; third-fine; fourth—it’s time to consider an administrative discharge (or a bust, fine, restriction). Now if it were shipboard in the 60s early 70s, I’d never see the sailor on first offense as Bosn’s Locker liberty would normally suffice, If the CPOs (E 7-9) couldn’t handle that type of issue, then it’s time. But then I’m still behind the times.

When I retired in ‘89, a friend of mine held his CO’s Masts (Art 15) on Saturdays and lasted hours until those in the chain of command got the hint. All the parties involved had to wait, even after adjudication. That meant that operations, engineering, and supply had to wait for deck department (higher percentage of fresh caught boots) which really went over well—NOT. But again things resolved fairly quickly. All hail the Chiefs’ Quarters.

Response by Sgt Frank Vanacore made Mar 25 at 2020 9:11 PM

2020-03-25T21:11:45-04:00

Not sure I would anything. After what I have seen when going to high school football games, and watching how the students react during the National Anthem it would not surprise me. Students, not all, mill around , scream show absolutely no respect for the flag at all. Do I blame them? No. I blame the parents who raise them, the faculty who teach them. It all starts in the home.

Response by SPC Mike Olivera made Apr 8 at 2020 10:40 PM

2020-04-08T22:40:31-04:00

Very controversial topic. Fact is that in uniform you face disciplinary action if you disrespect the United States of America, which you swore to protect and defend.
As a civilian, I guess it would be up to the individual but yet that individual would be disrespecting America. Lastly, showing that kind of disrespect and hatred against the U.S.A makes me think this person is either confused/manipulated because after all they served out of patriotism (or perhaps not). Fact is and we can all agree, "one a soldier (or whatever branch you served) always a soldier", therefore as a military veteran we should still respect the flag which we served.

Response by Capt George Halversen made Apr 9 at 2020 2:34 PM

2020-04-09T14:34:10-04:00

If out of uniform, I would ignore it as I do when I see men keeping their hats on during the playing of the national anthem .If in uniform I would tell the individual he/she is a disgrace to the uniform he/she is wearing. And let it go.
. George C. Halversen

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2020 5:17 PM

2020-04-09T17:17:32-04:00

He better be praying. Only one thing is above his orders...GOD. I DO THINK OUR MILITARY NEEDS MORE OF GOD, less of Congress interference.

Response by SP5 Myra Williams made Apr 9 at 2020 6:10 PM

2020-04-09T18:10:20-04:00

Nothing. You can't FORCE someone to feel the same way as you do. I just wish people would care about the inequalities between the races rather than whether or not someone is standing or not. That's an intangible. What is tangible is people dying over traffic stops, petty theft, selling single cigarettes so their family can eat, or stealing a box of cigars. Do I feel the same way about the anthem or saluting the flag as you do? No, I do not. But then, it wasn't a requirement when I signed up for basic training...

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Apr 9 at 2020 9:06 PM

2020-04-09T21:06:50-04:00

I understand and support the right to protest, but not in uniform and certainly not during our anthem. We are govt. Property and we surrendered our rights to better protect the rights of others. The right to take a knee, IMO, should be respected, but never under cover of our uniform. It just sendd the wrong message to impressionable youth who don't understand that we don't possess the same rights as others.

Response by SP5 Charles Gould made Apr 10 at 2020 1:39 AM

2020-04-10T01:39:16-04:00

Old Vietnam combat vet. I would give him "wall-to-wall counselling". You've gotta be kidding me. A real service member?

Response by PO2 Tony D made Apr 10 at 2020 3:01 PM

2020-04-10T15:01:51-04:00

I would probably ask them what the fuck they were doing, and if I didn't like their answer I would probably bitch slap them without even thinking about it!

Response by PO2 Tony D made Apr 10 at 2020 3:10 PM

2020-04-10T15:10:45-04:00

I would ask them wtf they are doing, then bitch slap them unless their answer convinced me otherwise, I'm sure the captain would understand.

Response by Sgt Eugene Haskins made Apr 10 at 2020 3:52 PM

2020-04-10T15:52:37-04:00

Kick in the face

Response by Sgt Eugene Haskins made Apr 10 at 2020 7:46 PM

2020-04-10T19:46:58-04:00

Kick in the face

Response by PV2 Michael Brown made Apr 11 at 2020 8:09 AM

2020-04-11T08:09:05-04:00

This is one of those situations where if you're looking at it from a leadership perspective, there several options; Give corrective action, have a conversation with them, beat the piss out of them with a tire iron (just to name a few). However, I believe in being disciplined and proficient. I also understand the meaning of personal time. A time when a warrior can do what he wants, within reason. I'd strongly remind said warrior(s) that there is an honor to uphold, an example if you will. You can't uphold or example that honor if you are on your knees.

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Apr 12 at 2020 9:51 PM

2020-04-12T21:51:18-04:00

If the Soldier wasn't in uniform then I'd mind my own business. The same way if he was wearing a stripes shirt and plaid pants or failed to say grace before eating lunch. Not something I would do but he has a constitutional right as an America citizen to kneel or sit.

Response by CPO Leonard Orth made Apr 12 at 2020 10:58 PM

2020-04-12T22:58:49-04:00

In uniform or out?
Makes a difference.
Out of uniform and not displaying any association with his service, mind your own fucking business.
In uniform or displaying an association with their service, break them down, if you have the spine to do so in public. Or stop the conduct, get their information and discuss it later.
I'd try to stick to what they are doing that is ccx wrong and avoid your own fucked up, trumplodyte, political beliefs.

Response by PO3 Anthony Nichols made Apr 13 at 2020 1:12 AM

2020-04-13T01:12:42-04:00

I saw a drunk out of uniform jarhead beat up a guy in a wheel chair for not standing. Civilian regs for the anthem are? Stand still be quiet no matter how awful the performer is. Because we as Americans are subject to know one. We now before no king. We consent to be governed. Which means as free men you can take all you rules and regs as a member of the uniformed services because none of it applies to civilians. You probably would get really wound up if you saw boy Scouts burning flags. Which is how a flag that is soiled or has touched the ground is to be properly disposed of. Just remember when you are having these thoughts of telling on another enlisted man for a bull shit article 15 that at best gets him docked pay. Just remember that when you are out in public not even worried about all the regs living your life and having sex with your wife doggy style that the uniform code of military Justice defines that as sodomy and sodomy is punishable by years in prison if a service member some how saw you breaking the code and reported you that would suck. If they are not subordinate to you. Then it's none ya. Unless you want to be the tattle tale that gets frag and left in the field as MIA.

Response by PO3 Anthony Nichols made Apr 13 at 2020 1:29 AM

2020-04-13T01:29:51-04:00

Alot of stuff on here had good camp quality. Or reservist level. Once you get out in the fleet. Your captain authorizes a beard growing contest. Some ditch issue footwear for blackened footwear that is more comfortable for them. JSOC operators wear blue jeans or all kinds of non uniform items. They would act like a civilian during the anthem they don't want anyone to knows they are an off duty service member. But if you are fresh out of boot camp a weekend warrior or in the Air Force your bored out of your mind and this stuff is probably very important to you. In the engine rooms we would make a dickie out of out whitest shirts and were basically naked under our coveralls. But engine rooms in the indian ocean are 100 plus degrees and humid.

Response by SFC William Allen made Apr 13 at 2020 8:41 PM

2020-04-13T20:41:34-04:00

If I could get away with it (big if) I would LOVE to grab them by the scruff of the neck and help them stand at attention like they should. Other than that, I would smoke them the next day with lots of push ups. I would be evil and tell them to be prepared for it. I can't stand anybody disrespecting the American flag or the National Anthem! People far better than I will ever be died so I can stand here and show proper respect.

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made Apr 14 at 2020 5:38 AM

2020-04-14T05:38:57-04:00

Great question! Now on to read the responses!

Response by SFC Robert Falco made Apr 14 at 2020 6:18 AM

2020-04-14T06:18:56-04:00

FM 3-21 requires the following
A-1. WHEN TO SALUTE Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled (by grade) to a salute except when it is inappropriate or impractical (in public conveyances such as planes and buses, in public places such as inside theaters, or when driving a vehicle). a. A salute is also rendered— • When the United States National Anthem, “To the Color,” “Hail to the Chief,” or foreign national anthems are played. • To uncased National Color outdoors. • On ceremonial occasions as prescribed in Part Two, Ceremonies. • At reveille and retreat ceremonies, during the raising or lowering of the flag. • During the sounding of honors. • When the Pledge of Allegiance to the U.S. flag is being recited outdoors. • When turning over control of formations. • When rendering reports. • To officers of friendly foreign countries.

A kneeling POS may wear a uniform but is not a soldier sworn to defend our nation. I would attempt to identify the POS, the unit and then refer the POS to the commander with my recommendation that if the POS is so ashamed of our country they should probably be removed from military service.

Response by PO1 Tommy French made Apr 14 at 2020 8:16 AM

2020-04-14T08:16:07-04:00

I would feel a tremendous feeling of betrayal. It would infuriate me that such a person could swear to uphold our constitution and still feel free to disrespect the very symbol of it is beyond the pale and deserving of punishment.

Response by LTC Dallas Powell made Apr 14 at 2020 1:50 PM

2020-04-14T13:50:22-04:00

Many years ago I knew of a soldier who was in civilian clothes, on base, and did not salute at Retreat/To The Colors. When challenged, he mouthed off to the young officer -- and ended up with an Article 15.

Soldiers should have integrity whether on or off duty. You never know who's watching, especially in this age of social media.

Response by LT Christopher Miller made Apr 15 at 2020 1:26 PM

2020-04-15T13:26:48-04:00

This really depends upon the situation. I would not render any kind of opinion without additional information. What if they are kneeling because they are emotional after the loss of a comrade?

Response by CPO Bernie Penkin made Apr 15 at 2020 2:23 PM

2020-04-15T14:23:57-04:00

I look at the anthem and saying the pledge with the same view. We stand together as citizens of a wonderful country. One that provide more rights and opportunities than any other in the world. By standing for the anthem or saying the pledge we re affirm our promise to promote the idea of what America is. Our country was based on an idea that everyone is created equal and is given the opportunity to live by the fruits of their labor unencumbered by government interference and each citizen should strive to do their part to keep this idea alive.

Those who kneel or turn their backs during the anthem are ignorant of what it means to be free. Their very act of insubordination tells everyone around them that they reject the unity of citizenship. It is a most selfish, childish and ignorant act of behavior. The folks who make this gesture are making a pathetic cry for attention at a public gathering. The other folks who side with the kneelers are too scared to look around them and see the blessings of liberty. These same people cry out daily saying that nothing is being done about what ever the cause is, but refuse to even look into what it would take for them to do their civic duty to effect change. They also are like sheep and will listen to what they are being told rather than take some time to do their own research in order to make an informed decision.

What would I do if I saw this? To be honest, it would depend on the situation. I would like to get the person’s name and duty station. Then I would advise them that I would be making a phone call to the command about it and go on with my day. If they are willing to talk about it I would be more than happy to oblige, but I would still make the call. On the other hand, if they get belligerent and start spouting off about oppression or the like, then I would walk away. Their belligerence is a sure sign of their ignorance and not worth any of my time.

Response by PO2 Michael Galey made Apr 17 at 2020 12:40 AM

2020-04-17T00:40:33-04:00

If I knew him/her I would notate time date and refer the indiscretion privately one on one. I also would let the individual that if I saw them do that again it would be the end of the line for their career.

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Apr 20 at 2020 4:21 PM

2020-04-20T16:21:55-04:00

It wouldn't surprise me to see military person doing anything. They wear fatigues off base. They don't take their head gear off in doors. Things have changed. Too bad.

Response by PO2 Bill Reardon made Apr 23 at 2020 11:34 AM

2020-04-23T11:34:35-04:00

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I see nothing about the flag

Response by CSM Jim Rogers made May 4 at 2020 10:11 PM

2020-05-04T22:11:36-04:00

They had better be praying.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made May 10 at 2020 8:42 PM

2020-05-10T20:42:52-04:00

I putty the fool, especially if they ate in uniform and I saw them do this. There would be a very heated discussion out behind the barracks. In the event they are wearing civvies and I know they are active duty, guard or reservist, chances are a major can of whoop ass would end up being opened. You want to make a political statement such as this, do it after you are out of the military. As there have been way too many that have served and she'd their blood for this country. With you pulling crap like this, you should have NEVER JOINED THE MILITARY TO BEGIN WITH. You are a disgrace to the uniform and showing disrespect to those that have served and currently serving!!!

Response by MSG Don Burt made May 17 at 2020 2:23 PM

2020-05-17T14:23:52-04:00

"Out of uniform and off-base, nothing identifying him or her as a service member; I'd let it pass."
This per Maj J. Bell...then, depending on the situ/area/circumstance, I'd wait til The National Anthem was over and go over to the individual and proclaim a few choice words as a retired military Master Sgt.
and follow suit as Maj. Bell.
But that's just me.

Response by SFC David Johnson made May 20 at 2020 10:18 AM

2020-05-20T10:18:56-04:00

In uniform kneeling during the National Anthem better be accompanied by a whole hell of a lot of tears as you cry for the fallen, your fallen. As for SPC Amar's comments about picking your battles, son if you knew the first thing about our National Anthem, it is the battle you are supposed to be prepared to give your life for. If that isn't enough of a reason to correct a soldier kneeling during our National Anthem, maybe it's time for you to turn in your uniform. In the world I live in anything that disgraces our flag, which includes our National Anthem, is both disrespectful and unpatriotic.

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made May 21 at 2020 7:27 PM

2020-05-21T19:27:19-04:00

Much as I support this in general, it is a political protest. They can't do this while identifying in any way that they are in service, we have clear rules about that.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 7:31 PM

2020-05-21T19:31:04-04:00

I wonder how many of the “tough guy” posters were the soldiers who ran inside/stayed inside and sped off base at 1659 lol.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 7:52 PM

2020-05-21T19:52:30-04:00

I'd tell him I didn't really appreciate the disrespect and ask him why. I'd then proceed to tell him why he's wrong.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made May 22 at 2020 6:35 AM

2020-05-22T06:35:35-04:00

As his platoon Sgt/platoon Leader I would pull him off to the side as a one on one talk and see why he was kneeling during the national anthem and remind him he is in the military and he must show the proper respect and that he is not to pull that crap again.

Response by SPC Ruben Marin made May 22 at 2020 9:06 AM

2020-05-22T09:06:13-04:00

Unfortunately for the kneeling soldier, their personal opinion does not jive well with the militarys. They have just earned themselves some sort of corrective action. Taking it to the highest level possible without trying to set the soldier straight yourself is excessive. You gotta give the soldier the opportunity to get right first. If he or she doesn't, then you put it on paper, so on and so forth. Gotta let them know this isn't the NFL, and remind them of the AR that governs their actions during retreat and revillie. It's a kinder and gentler military, remember that. LOL!

Response by SPC Craig Blackmore made May 22 at 2020 1:08 PM

2020-05-22T13:08:58-04:00

This kind of happened to me. Stationed at Ft Benning (Kelley hill), young, dumb and full of ... vigor a couple of buddies and I were racing to get into the class 6 before retreat sounded and we would be stuck at attention for the whole 60 seconds of the bugle call. Well, NCO somebody caught us and flipped the F out. Wanted our ID, unit etc. I’ve been out of the army longer than I was alive before I went in and I’m still incredibly embarrassed. Non service members can make whatever statement they want, they are protected by the constitution. Service members defend the constitution but are subject to UCMJ in uniform or not and should probably just stop acting ate up like a soupsandwich

Response by SSG Everett Wilson made May 24 at 2020 4:45 AM

2020-05-24T04:45:19-04:00

I had a cousin post a video of himself sitting in his car, during retreat at the USAFA, I called him out on it. Before he enlisted his mom hoped that someone would teach him some respect and hoped that someone would kick him in the butt. This is was an individual who told me that he would kick someone's butt if they ever got after him. After I called him out, I was the bad guy, as they do things differently in the Air Force than in the Army. Really, I was attached to the Air Force during ONE and Armored Falcon. There wasn't that much difference when it came to retreat. Sorry but I'm old school-as an AF dependent son, I was taught about the national anthem, to the colors, and retreat. It seems that I'm the family SOB since I made my cousin cry, and his mom informed me that I was a mean drill sgt, who still had his head up his 4th point of contact, and just had a hard-on to pick on a poor E3.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made May 24 at 2020 5:54 AM

2020-05-24T05:54:36-04:00

If the Soldier is NOT in Uniform and OFF Base, nothing. If the Soldier is IN Uniform, the Soldier WILL RENDER HONORS to the FLAG AND THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. END OF FILE.

Response by SFC Aubrey Campbell made May 24 at 2020 9:08 PM

2020-05-24T21:08:34-04:00

I concur with the off duty/out of uniform comments to some degree. However, soldiers, as defenders of the American way of life, and on behalf of the countless soldiers who gave their lives defending this country, must separate themselves from the political persuasions that deter from the military mission. Nothing wrong with political affiliation, but not standing for the “National Anthem” is not an option. I would suggest separating such individual from military service for the “good” of the service.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made May 24 at 2020 10:54 PM

2020-05-24T22:54:50-04:00

It depends. IS HE IN UNIFORM?

If he is uniform, I would charge his ass. I would do this to make a point about political actions in uniform. I would also do this to a republican who was at a pro gun rally, in uniform, or if he was bad mouthing a president. There are some lines you just don't cross, WHILE IN UNIFORM.

If he is in civilian clothes i would commend him for exercising he constitutional right to protest the fact that civilian law enforcement is summarily executing black men, and men and women are allowing it to happen because they think being a cop gives you a license to kill.

There were more black men killed police officers in the 10 years we were at war in iraq, in the city of Los Angeles ALONE.

These are citizens of the United States, and for all the libertarian assholes out there that think they should be able to carry n M-16 into Wal Mart, you know in case the ice cream attacks, then they should also be supporting Colin Keaprnick and his protest, period.

If we, as soldiers, have to obey the rules of engagement, and have to wait to be fired upon, then WHY THE FUCK DON'T COPS?

Being a cop is NOT the most dangerous job in the world, it is not even the in the top 10.

If you don't want people being angry with you and threatening you, stop fucking shooting them.

If you are so afraid of being killed, as a cop, that you feel the need to shoot first and ask questions later, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD NOT BE A COP.

Tyranny exists in the U.S and it wears Blue. Think about that for a minute.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2020 11:36 PM

2020-05-24T23:36:58-04:00

Memorial day is a bittersweet holiday. God Bless, God Speed.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2020 12:03 AM

2020-05-25T00:03:58-04:00

There are FOUR possibilities here:

Out of uniform, off Post, Soldier not known to me: Even if I knew that they were a Soldier, I would do nothing. In this situation there’s precious little you CAN do. Even if you DID go ask the person their Name, Rank, blah blah blah, out of uniform they can literally just tell you to eat shit, then walk away.

Out of uniform, off Post, Soldier known to me: I’d walk over to the Soldier after the National Anthem was completed and ask them why they knelt. If they gave me what I considered a bullshit response (“the Government is bullshit,” or “I’m anti-anthem,” or something other horseshit) I would explain that regardless of such beliefs they literally signed up to represent both our Government and our Nation, and that they should give a good, LONG thought to why they are in the military, as well as who is around next time they think about kneeling. Not everyone has the temperament to just speak with them. If they gave me a REAL, thought-out answer (“I feel that kneeling is the proper thing to protest the way people of color are treated institutionally by our Government,” or “I kneel to remember all those who have been slaughtered needlessly by the base indifference and sometimes outright bigotry of law enforcement”) I would remind them that though their cause is just, that they should be careful in exercising this option while a military member as it is a violation of the UCMJ, and that most people aren’t of the temperament to find out why, they’re usually just assholes looking to flex their rank and look tough.

Out of Uniform, on Post, Soldier not known to me: I would walk up to them and ask why they took a knee. Then I’d follow what I said above except I’d add that they should never do such a thing on Post, as they are spotlighting themselves and are going to run into a LOT of people who couldn’t give an Army Green shit what their motives are as long as those people get o bust someone.

Out of Uniform, on Post, Soldier known to me: I would pull them aside and tell them the same as above.

In Uniform, on Post, Soldier not known to me: I would take them aside and tell them that their actions are a direct violation of the UCMJ, and that they could receive NJP or even a Court Martial for such an offense. Then I would ask WHY they knelt. Based on their response I would either tell them that they had better think long and hard before EVER doing this in the future, or I would say that while their motives are good it’s STILL a UCMJ violation and that they need to think about other ways of expressing their motives while serving. I would then ask for their Unit information, and explain to them that I would be visiting their Unit to speak with their Senior NCO, to whom I would explain that I gave their Soldier a verbal counseling on their actions and that I hope no such further actions would occur on the part of the Soldier. I would also ask if this had ever been a problem in the past, and if not I would recommend that my counseling be the end of it as no Soldier who hasn’t committed previous actions needs to be beat down by the system to understand that they did wrong.

In Uniform, on Post, Soldier known to me: Much like above, but I’d go directly to counseling them unless it wasn’t the first time. Then I would do a written counseling and inform the Soldier that any further violations of the UCMJ would automatically bring them at least a Company-grade if not a Field-grade Article-15, depending upon the Commander’s will.

Overall the thing is I wouldn’t “stomp their ass,” “get in trouble myself once the dust had cleared from what I did to them,” or “drag their ass to their Commander/1SG/Senior NCO/anyone ELSE and tell them what a shitbag their Soldier was.”

That’s not my fucking job.

My job as a Senior NCO was to 1. Find out what happened 2. Find out the cause of what happened 3. Use my big boy brain to decide if a Soldier was being a dumbass or doing something understandable even if it WAS breaking rules 4. Counsel the Soldier accordingly 5. Ensure that proper military order is maintained.

No amount of dumbfuckery on my part is going to unfuck the situation. It’s the duty of all Soldiers to asses each situation and deal with that situation in an intelligent and decisive manner.

Not to act like a complete fucking hillbilly and “put a boot in their ass” every time we see a situation where we could get our rocks off by crushing someone else’s fucking SOUL without knowing dick-shit about the WHY of the situation. Would I put a little fear of God and Uncle Sam into the Soldier? Hell to the fuck yes. Would I turn it Into a complete douche fest acting like the second coming of my old Platoon Sergeant who was such a flying green cock that when he got sick and had to medically retire we threw a party for his SICKNESS? No and fuck no.

The Army of my day was different from the Army of today, but even George Washington’s NCOs knew that their men did shit for REASONS. And the GOOD NCOs found out the reasons before sending a Soldier to be fucking flogged.

Now stop clutching your flag tattoos, put your dicks back in your pants, and do some motherfucking THINKING before you shoot off like a Private on Victory Drive on his first weekend after basic. Leaders LEAD, with their brains and with the wisdom that they’ve gathered over the years that they’ve spent getting to their positions of leadership. They don’t blindly go nuts on others.

Those who do the opposite are BOSSES. They don’t LEAD, they just BOSS. And they suck harder than Iraqi mud on your boots during the rainy season.

Response by Cpl Archie H. made May 25 at 2020 8:51 AM

2020-05-25T08:51:38-04:00

I would think he is praying for his or her nation. A little odd.

Response by GySgt Keith Rininger made May 25 at 2020 4:00 PM

2020-05-25T16:00:16-04:00

For me, it would be rather simple. He or she would need emergency surgery to get my boot out of their ass. I would let the chips fall as they may, but this Marine will not stand by and let any serving member of the armed forces disrespect the flag, Period! Those of you that would, I would prefer not to serve with your sorry asses. The Military is not a Democracy, don't like it or respect it, you don't belong serving. Save your disrespect and protests for another time and place.

Response by SP6 Ronald Allen made May 25 at 2020 5:45 PM

2020-05-25T17:45:36-04:00

I would still kick their ass. and let it be known what a crowd they are

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made May 26 at 2020 7:25 PM

2020-05-26T19:25:52-04:00

On duty? I would make him spend the rest of the day or maybe longer on one knee in the nearest rocky area singing the National Anthem over and over. Off duty I would give him a roundhouse to the head when the Anthem is over.

Response by Capt Al Parker made May 27 at 2020 9:36 AM

2020-05-27T09:36:26-04:00

Turn his actions to his supervisor or IG.

Response by TSgt Gary Garvin made May 27 at 2020 10:40 AM

2020-05-27T10:40:35-04:00

I would ID myself as an NCO and IAW the UCMJ detained the person!

Response by SCPO Rev. Dr. Thomas Peavy made May 27 at 2020 11:13 AM

2020-05-27T11:13:39-04:00

Rules and Regulation apply to military personnel whether in uniform or out. The UCMJ governs military behavior in addition to civilian law. The Navy has dealt with a similar issue in the recent past and the Sailor faced the consequences for her actions. Were I to see this and had my cell phone available the behavior would be documented and the individual identified. Their chain of command would be getting a visit from me and their Command Master Chief or other SNCO and I would be having a heart-to-heart talk about what is done prior to my bringing the issue to the Commanding Officer. Handle it discretely through their chain of command and if no action move to the next level. No pissing contest with the offender since they may use that as a way to claim a violation of their right. Let the military justice system handle the offense.

Response by SP5 Robert Hayhurst made May 27 at 2020 11:49 AM

2020-05-27T11:49:15-04:00

I don't know how they would now, but some ncos and 1st I had would be smoking him like crazy. Maybe a school.of the soldier on the weekends and a art 15 , and push out of the army

Response by SFC(P) John McLaughlin made May 28 at 2020 9:11 AM

2020-05-28T09:11:03-04:00

In my opinion and my opinion only; true only reason I see for taking a knee while I the military is for rest, navigation orientation and/mission planning. The other is paying respect to our own. Now I’m not a believer in anyone taking a knee for a flag. It is only an attention getter. Nothing really comes good of it. Reminding our forces that their duty comes first before opinion while in uniform. When they are on the front page of the newspaper kneeling, they denigrating their oath of enlistment, comrades and UCMJ. What they do in their off-time is on them. But just like everything else, they are Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Seamen 24/7. UCMJ is there to protect them but also to put them in corrective action.

Response by SGT James (Mike) White made May 28 at 2020 10:32 AM

2020-05-28T10:32:37-04:00

I would ask them why they joined our countries military and why they swore an oath to defend our Constitution. No soldier has the right to display disrespect to our Flag since it represents our Nation. Charges should be brought against him/her and be removed from service to many of our brothers and sister have died to defend what that flag means and no one has the right to disgrace it.

Response by SPC Marvin Darling made May 28 at 2020 3:56 PM

2020-05-28T15:56:25-04:00

I refer you to AR 670-1.

Response by CPT Peter Peter made May 29 at 2020 1:55 AM

2020-05-29T01:55:29-04:00

Military has rules and regulation to keep order. No one can just do what he/she wants. If there was no permission for kneeling, kneeling must not happen. Counseling is the first step and extra duty with it. We must tell people you cannot do what you want even thought you have good intention. Patriotism is not to break order & do what you want. If breaking order allow to happen, there will be no military left. Military means to keep in step not out of step.

Response by SSG Lasker Bell made May 29 at 2020 10:24 AM

2020-05-29T10:24:37-04:00

As a leader I will address the soldier in private and let he/she aware of regulations in reference to that particular action along with possible consequences. I would also make sure that the proper documentation are complete after the communication with the soldier.

Response by TSgt Gary Garvin made May 29 at 2020 10:45 AM

2020-05-29T10:45:08-04:00

I totally agree with you! Somehow there was a miss-understanding! I would hammer the butthead! I would bring up charges and detain the puke using the minimum force necessary!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2020 1:29 PM

2020-05-29T13:29:29-04:00

The media storm that would come out of a soldier kneeling during the national anthem would rival the one from the NFL doing it. My personal opinion would be if he's out of uniform I'd have a quiet word after but in uniform he'll be eating a counseling at the least. I'd also throw a 2000 word essay about the implications of what hes done and what the flag means to the country as a whole and have him read it out loud to morning formation before the flag goes off.

Response by PO1 Linda Howell made May 29 at 2020 11:51 PM

2020-05-29T23:51:16-04:00

It is against the UCMJ. They can be discharged for disrespect, all personnel are a part of the federal government. It is disrespectful.

Response by SGT James Colbert made May 30 at 2020 7:03 AM

2020-05-30T07:03:00-04:00

Counseling and them remedial training on "ethics in the military."... them maybe some training on "Customs and Courtesies"....the effective range of a floor buffer

Response by Cpl David Schaffer made May 31 at 2020 1:55 PM

2020-05-31T13:55:00-04:00

You all are being illogical. You all claim to stand and fight for people's freedom then want this individual to be busted down. I fought for all people's freedom. This individual was not wearing a uniform and thus needs to be left alone no matter how stupid kneeling may be. Personally, I do not stand for the National Anthem because our country has lost its way. I do not stand for the taking of peoples freedom like this country is heading towards.

Response by CDR Tom Davy made Jun 1 at 2020 8:47 AM

2020-06-01T08:47:41-04:00

Active Duty means 24/7 and means loyalty to the nation. To avoid a riot, I probably would not make it an issue during his improper behavior, but I would make sure he knew I saw his conduct. Extra Military Instruction (EMI) research and discussion on the importance of patriotism in the military might be the focus of the EMI.

Response by PO3 German Corea made Jun 2 at 2020 3:24 PM

2020-06-02T15:24:51-04:00

This reminds me of this situation https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-launches-investigation-into-sailor-who-didnt-stand-for-national-anthem Enjoy!

Navy launches investigation into sailor who didn't stand for National Anthem

The U.S. Navy has launched an investigation into the case of a sailor who didn’t salute as the National Anthem played during a recent morning flag-raising at Pearl Harbor, an official said Tuesday.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 2:42 PM

2020-06-03T14:42:11-04:00

Unreal.

Most of you tough talkers would run up on a civilian and tell them you fought for their rights, but a fellow brother or sister in uniform needs violence against them.

You can love your country and your branch and acknowledge that there is something wrong and there needs to be a change. Think about all the folks who have NEVER interacted with someone of another race or culture until they joined. You think their biases just up and leave? They may have your back in the field and as soon as spit on you in cantonment.

You say they represent the Armes Forces and should be held accountable then turn around and say it’s only a few bad cops on the force.

Shut up.

Response by CPL Patrick Holbrook made Jun 5 at 2020 2:06 AM

2020-06-05T02:06:08-04:00

Not in uniform or in uniform? In uniform that’s a no no. Out of uniform, I would be curious to understand why?

Response by SPC Steve Geringer made Jun 10 at 2020 9:33 AM

2020-06-10T09:33:33-04:00

We took the Oath to uphold the Constitution, I stand for the flag, served 72-75 Army 4th Infantry 4 Engineers, the Constitution guarantees their right to kneel, I respect his peaceful statement and understand the bigotry problem. I also be leave if you served you earned the the right to call yourself a Patriot.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Jun 11 at 2020 10:25 AM

2020-06-11T10:25:08-04:00

If I knew them it would not matter civilian clothes or uniform they would most likely never forget meeting me. Others may say different but your oath is 24/7/365. NCO's and Officers today may think different but until the day I die I will always respect and salute the colors of our nation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2020 6:12 PM

2020-06-14T18:12:57-04:00

In uniform or not, the UCMJ still applies. Out of uniform and he would have a bad day. In uniform and he would really have a bad day.

Response by SP5 Robert Sharpe made Jun 15 at 2020 6:41 PM

2020-06-15T18:41:40-04:00

Depends on why he/she is kneeling. In the case of Colin Kapernick, who knelt in support of black lives, i'd join him. If you were kneeling because the Govt. didn't send you a stimulus check, you're on your own.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 7:24 PM

2020-06-17T19:24:38-04:00

If they aren't in uniform and aren't showing any affiliation to the military, I'd say carry on. That's their right to peacefully protest. But if they're in uniform you set them straight. There are pretty clear regulations and policies about what we can and can't do in uniform and out of it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2020 8:21 AM

2020-06-18T08:21:06-04:00

Do some research into the history and precedent of what kneeling means.
To kneel is historically, and cross-culturally a sign of respect, reverence, and submission. An action that is, in truth, a significantly higher sign of respect that the salute. The salute founded as an act of recognition, between peers and near equals.
There are far more serious issues that plague our military organizations.
If folks never got so unreasonably wound up over some celebrity kneeling, it would not have spread.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jun 19 at 2020 1:45 AM

2020-06-19T01:45:14-04:00

Short of putting a size 14 boot thru his rectum, that soldier would be on details for the rest of his enlistment. Details that would have him/her kneeling all day and night. Shoe shining, toilet cleaning, cutting grass with nail clippers, things not only punishing him/her, but humiliating for disrespecting the National Anthem. Speacking of which, guess who would be at the raising of the colors every morning and the lowering of the colors everyday. I am positive there would be others who can add to this worm's punishments and details. And when it came to leave, promotions and re-enlistment,this worm wouldn't be forgotten , he/she would not be considered for anything. Harsh, not one iota.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Jun 22 at 2020 8:56 PM

2020-06-22T20:56:54-04:00

Assuming that I would be able to maintain my composure long enough to NOT rip his / her throat out? I think I would drag them to the C.O. by way of the nearest cemetery. I would give them a history lesson about those who gave the last measure of their devotion for this country and for those why desire freedom in this world. I would remind them of their oath and the meaning of it. But I was very seldom ever at an Air Force or Army base. I cannot even begin to imagine any Marine EVER doing such a thing. Since there are quite a few Marines on every Navy base, I couldn't imagine the Sailor who would attempt such scumbaggery either. Just saying.

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Jul 2 at 2020 8:16 PM

2020-07-02T20:16:49-04:00

he/she joined the forces in the wrong country ? woulnt want to be in his/her boots when the chain handles his/her behavior .

Response by SSG Wade Winfield made Jul 8 at 2020 11:10 AM

2020-07-08T11:10:54-04:00

Well about 20 years ago, I'd put a foot in their ass

Response by SSG Jorge G Haddock-Santiago made Jul 8 at 2020 10:58 PM

2020-07-08T22:58:43-04:00

UCMJ

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 9 at 2020 9:10 AM

2020-07-09T09:10:30-04:00

If they were in uniform, that soldier would wish that they had dies as a small child.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2020 10:29 AM

2020-07-09T10:29:17-04:00

Remember when all those junior enlisted troops would video themselves hiding in their cars or ignoring the music during retreat sounding? Yeah, they got prosecuted when/where they could identify the offending Soldier. This would be the same thing. If in formation, this would be bringing disrespect to the Flag, the Army, the Unit, and the formation. After formation, I would write up a formal counseling recommending UCMJ for violation of Art. 92 (Failure to obey order or regulation) and Art. 134 (all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital)

Response by WO1 Ricardo Eva made Jul 9 at 2020 12:28 PM

2020-07-09T12:28:40-04:00

Is this a trick question??!! I have to agree with Maj Bell et all (below)...In my days to have done something like that was not only unthinkable but whomever dared take a knee or so much as to even try to disrespect our anthem would be in a world of hurt thanks to all of the extra PT he/she would be given but we would even bring them up under UCMJ charges...insuburdination, disrespect, etc...

Response by SSgt Mj Constable made Jul 9 at 2020 3:52 PM

2020-07-09T15:52:48-04:00

In uniform? No way I'd let them get away from saluting the reason he is wearing that uniform!!!!!

Response by PO3 Claude j Hilliard made Jul 10 at 2020 9:41 AM

2020-07-10T09:41:35-04:00

Under the U. C. M. J., most are correct, but the boot up someones butt, no no, lf it was me I'd Frag your butt once we got out of the World.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Jul 10 at 2020 12:29 PM

2020-07-10T12:29:34-04:00

Out of uniform, I wouldn't do or say anything. It's his/her free speech. However, I know me and this would ruin this soldier's standing in my eyes. I would be inclined to bestow favorable actions on others while assigning this individual life's less desirable duties.

Response by Max Demp made Jul 11 at 2020 3:34 PM

2020-07-11T15:34:37-04:00

My question would be what is in his mind and heart. If he kneels while not bound to the uniform but stands while in uniform what is his true allegiance? Can you say without reservation he will have your back when the time comes.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2020 1:29 PM

2020-07-12T13:29:56-04:00

I wouldn’t be nice when the time comes. I would simply ask the soldier to step off to the side, then commence to remind them, you swore a oath and in that oath is to support and defend the constitution as well as the orders of the officers appointed above them. Then we would go see the old man. If they were from another untit I would contact that chain of command with the information. Hopefully either way, you do not disrespect Old Glory and what she stands for. Preferably, someone feels the wrath of US MJ.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Jul 12 at 2020 1:38 PM

2020-07-12T13:38:38-04:00

Nothing, if the Soldier is out of uniform he or she didn't put their first amendment rights at the door when they raised their hand to defend those rights. However, the Soldier would have some questions to answer after formation, or at work. This is something that can be handled at the platoon level and with Top!

Response by CPO Dennis Slherven made Jul 13 at 2020 12:14 AM

2020-07-13T00:14:44-04:00

a little old military instruction would be in order.

Response by SN Sarah Person made Jul 13 at 2020 2:42 PM

2020-07-13T14:42:50-04:00

Response by SSG Jeffrey Monk made Jul 13 at 2020 5:46 PM

2020-07-13T17:46:07-04:00

Honestly it would come down to if said soldier was in uniform or civies. If in uniform I'd hem them up. In civies nothing as that soldier, airman, seaman has the right, unless COC has put out guidance that states otherwise. Just because I still stand at attention when I hear Retreat and To The Colors when working on base or in military housing area but nobody makes me do it, it's a choice. I can't expect others to do the same.

Response by SFC Rodrick Carter made Jul 13 at 2020 5:54 PM

2020-07-13T17:54:43-04:00

I would have that Soldier to stand on his or her feet. I would then explain that as a Soldier in uniform, we are not a democracy but the institution that protects it.

Response by SSG David Angell made Jul 13 at 2020 11:33 PM

2020-07-13T23:33:26-04:00

Out of uniform..do your thing. In uniform, you stand at attention..this means no kneeling, and salute.
If its one of my men, your ass is mine. As well as the command would know.
If you belong to someone else, your ass is still mine, because I guarantee you that someone knows who your are and possibly our ranks you.

Response by Sgt John Lauer made Jul 14 at 2020 9:33 AM

2020-07-14T09:33:15-04:00

Just so you understand, there are no regulations that require one to stand, kneel or sit during the playing of the National Anthem. The Supreme Court has ruled a number of times that any regulation requiring an individual to standardize their response to the Anthems' playing is Unconstitutional.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jul 14 at 2020 11:22 AM

2020-07-14T11:22:22-04:00

I can only speak to my era which was filled with anti war john kerry types. I would have made the guys day a really bad one and if he worked for me his duty would truly suck till I was convinced a change had occured.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2020 5:01 PM

2020-07-14T17:01:27-04:00

Off post, not in uniform. Let it go. That simple.
On post, in uniform, that's a different story

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jul 15 at 2020 8:14 PM

2020-07-15T20:14:05-04:00

if he was out of Uniform, or in Uniform we would have a discussion, as to why he felt the need to Disrespect his fallen, Bothers and there Families.? I would also send a REQUEST TO HIS SNCO to Advise them of the Situation along with a REQUEST, That this Member be ASSIGNED / VOLUNTARY TOLD to Accompany a service member Home along with anther service member so he can OBSERVE and LEARN WHY WE STAND , so he can Understand the DISRESPECT HE IS SHOWING TO HIS FELLOW SERVICE MEMBERS WHO GAVE THERE ALL.

maybe just maybe he will learn something .

THIS FLAG Represents FREEDOM ! FREEDOM to BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD,
THEY risk life and limb to get HERE TO America , the MOST Free Nation on earth!

this FLAG, This NATIONAL ANTHEM REPRESENTS , LIFE , LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS to BILLIONS OF CITIZENS AROUND THE WORLD, AND HERE IN AMERICA, it IS WHAT EVERY SINGLE American ARMED FORCED SERVICE MEMBER HAS fought and Died to Protect and DEFEND since 1776 , it is WHAT every SINGLE ARMED FORCED SERVICE MEMBER COMES HOME UNDER after they have GIVEN there ALL!

Response by LTC Joe Anderson made Jul 16 at 2020 6:02 PM

2020-07-16T18:02:41-04:00

We have Regs for Military Personnel. So If I know they are violating them by kneeling... I would act accordingly. That's what the UCMJ is for. Civilians or retirees? Unfortunately that's why we serve so they have the right to be disrespectful Idiots, who don't know better, and do not understand sacrifice or service. This is a plus in the argument for mandatory service. Everyone would at least have exposure to and know what sacrifice, service, honor, duty... mean. To bad most of the public doesn't understand this and are forgetting why we play the national anthem. Retirees well they have served, are no longer subject to UCMJ on this smatter, and can be idiots if they wish. I always feel so proud when I hear that song and don't understand the push towards socialism and disrespecting our flag, anthem, and those who served and sacrificed before us.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Jul 17 at 2020 2:31 AM

2020-07-17T02:31:43-04:00

Simple answer - The Military is apolitical, SM's can have their own personal political beliefs, but are not allowed to make political statements publicly, or in any way present the appearance that the military has a bias. We are Soldiers 24/7, and are expected to act accordingly. That means we are governed by the UCMJ, and discipline is the act of doing the right thing in the absence of orders or supervision. SM's represent more then their individual selves, they represent the country, whether it's a democrat or republican in office. We are more then our individual identities, we ARE the countries identity, and as such, we present a united front more then petty politics. We stand for the anthem and flag for what it represented, still represents, and could represent in the future. While this great nation may be going through some troubling times, some systemic, others deliberately contrived to foment divisiveness, it is imperative that individual SM's stay apolitical in public. You never know how your actions can and will be manipulated in order to promote a narrative. This holds especially true for Officers, specifically when those officers are assigned to billets where navigating the political spectrum is a daily occurrence.

Response by FA Joseph Rayner made Jul 17 at 2020 10:40 PM

2020-07-17T22:40:07-04:00

today's military isn't even a Military any more to even have to ask that question is crazy if I knew that he/she was in the service in uniform or out I would blast them up one side and down the other if you are kneeling for the flag then I sure as hell wouldn't want you beside me in battle and no it's not two different things if you are kneeling for the flag then you have NO respect for this country or your fellow service member so if you are in the service and kneeling get out of the service because that is just plain being a traitor

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jul 18 at 2020 7:50 AM

2020-07-18T07:50:25-04:00

A discrete get together (regardless of his position, above or below) for * Wall to wall counseling.
He can kneel @ Church Services, or in *"private" with his Battle Buddy.

Response by MSG Reid Zohfeld made Jul 18 at 2020 1:52 PM

2020-07-18T13:52:24-04:00

It would only happen once There is a thing called wall to wall counseling’s One on One No witnesses and I would go for the jugular
As an instructor and old school MSG the poor sole wouldn’t have a chance

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Jul 28 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-07-28T10:26:59-04:00

Everyone has a perspective on this real issue, and it is a real issue, but, does everyone really know why this actually came to the forefront, for we must truly ask ourselves this question, is everyone treated equally in America. Now getting back to the focal point, this is an open question, is he/she seen in uniform or not? This question from my perspective can not be answered with an opinion, due to, the writer not providing direct question content.

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Jul 28 at 2020 1:52 PM

2020-07-28T13:52:17-04:00

I would order him to stand at attention and present arms. If he didn't move I would physically stand him up and let the chips fall where they may.

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Aug 18 at 2020 4:46 AM

2020-08-18T04:46:26-04:00

When you're active duty, whether you are on-post or off-post, if in uniform or out of uniform, you are still a soldier 24 hours day. There is no such as on-duty or off-duty. A soldier has sworn an oath to the constitution. Whether in uniform or out, on-post or off, they are still subject to UCMJ. Even when on leave. I had a soldier that thought because we were off-post out of uniform that he could talk to me anyway he wanted. I put a stop to that really quick. And you need to put a stop to that activity really quick.

Response by COL Kelly Hines made Aug 26 at 2020 3:31 PM

2020-08-26T15:31:20-04:00

In or out of uniform, on or off base, Soldiers represent the US Army 24/7. If not my Soldier, I'd ask his name and unit and contact their commander along with a sworn statement form me. If one of mine, looking at UCMJ.

Response by SGT Jeremy Andrews made Aug 26 at 2020 4:36 PM

2020-08-26T16:36:53-04:00

A few things come to mind. LDRSHIP, the warriors creed, multiple FM and Army Regulations and of course the UCMJ. While this alleged soldier is off base/duty and I civilian attire they are still, under AR and UCMJ bound to present and carry themselves as to bring credit upon themselves, their unit and the US Army. Just because they are off post/duty does not excuse them from following all regulations, such as standing, while in civilian attire, at the position of attention. I, as a junior leader would have had a quiet conversation with them offline, make it a point to reference there is ideologies out there that are valid but while in service, regardless of personal belief, they took an oath to follow regulations while enlisted or even commissioned.

Response by SFC Joe Ortega made Aug 26 at 2020 7:10 PM

2020-08-26T19:10:27-04:00

In uniform it is an act of disrespect, disloyalty and lack of discipline. I he or she is in uniform, I will identify my self, then I will let he or she knows that what is being done is improper and incorrect in the must tactical manner possible. I might get his/her name and unit, then I let them know what their service member did. Such type of behavior shouldn't be tolerated! In civilians clothes I might or may not say anything. It is freedom of speech for these cowards!!!!

Response by Capt Raymond Lewis made Aug 26 at 2020 10:25 PM

2020-08-26T22:25:33-04:00

I of course cannot comment officially on this, but the Marine Corps has traditionally had something called a "blanket party" and this has been used in the past as a method of showing disapproval of how a Marine was behaving. Mind you, I cannot say if I have been part of one or even been a witness of a "blanket party", but I do understand they have occurred and that the recipients have changed their ways. That is what I have been told anyway.

Response by LT Louis McKellar made Aug 26 at 2020 11:15 PM

2020-08-26T23:15:12-04:00

“Chief, take care of that!”

Response by SFC Dean Allen made Aug 27 at 2020 3:30 AM

2020-08-27T03:30:16-04:00

Take immediate corrective action, up to, and including, physically assisting the soldier to stand at attention. If I have any control of his long term career, I would make sure the soldier was assigned to accompany the remains of an American soldier KIA, and see the reaction when the family is notified, and the reaction when the folded flag is presented to the next of kin.

I believe being assigned to that duty would do more good than all the extra duty or asswhippings in the world. Unfortunately, the United States armed forces are uniquely positioned to teach proper respect in that manner.

By the way, if the soldier gave me any crap about Black Lives Mattering, I would be sure he was left on that duty until at least once, he was seeing a folded flag presented to a Black family. That way, he would learn the only color in the United States Army is O.D. green, and black lives and all lives have always mattered to us every single day since June 14, 1775.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made Aug 27 at 2020 10:22 PM

2020-08-27T22:22:51-04:00

If he was out of uniform and off base I would do nothing at the time. When I next saw him I would ask him why he did it, but I feel whatever his reason was, it was his decision, not mine. Now if he was in uniform, and or on base when he did it, I would have a different conversation with him.

Response by MAJ Gerald Richards made Aug 28 at 2020 11:10 AM

2020-08-28T11:10:03-04:00

I endorse Major John Bell’s response, His response is what any responsible officer and NCO should do.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2020 10:32 AM

2020-08-29T10:32:37-04:00

This may be the unpopular or politically incorrect answer.

But I'm going to fuck his world.

Response by SN Douglas Thomson made Aug 30 at 2020 12:59 PM

2020-08-30T12:59:38-04:00

An Active Duty Service member regardless of the Rank of an Enlisted Service member or serving as a Commissioned Officer is the property of the United State. You I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed. You do not have the right to disrespect or act in any manner that would violate your allegiance. To do so would constitute a violation of your allegiance. You are subject the Uniform Code of Military Justice. See Military code of silence’ ” discussed the military’s informal “code of silence” when it comes to speaking out on politically charged matters. However, the military must also be wary of a more formal code that is relevant to this issue: the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). Article 88 of the UCMJ states that commissioned military officers who use “contemptuous words” against the president shall be punished by court-martial. It applies to retired regular commissioned officers and those on active duty. There has been only one instance in which Article 88 of the UCMJ was applied to a retired commissioned officer. That was more than 100 years ago, and the officer was acquitted at court-martial.
Nevertheless, Article 88 serves as a continuing reminder that military personnel, active and retired, are theoretically subject to limits on free speech that would not be applicable to their nonmilitary counterparts. Under DOD Directive 1344.10, members of the armed forces who are on active duty are permitted to express their personal opinions on political candidates, make a monetary contribution to a campaign, sign a petition to place a candidate's name on the ballot, and attend a political event as a spectator. Members on active duty may not participate in partisan activities such as soliciting or engaging in partisan fundraiser activities, serving as the sponsor of a partisan club, or speaking before a partisan gathering. In addition, all military members, including National Guard and Reserve forces, are prohibited from wearing military uniforms at political campaign events. In recognition of your Honorable Duties you are the property of the United States of America. You must never Dishonor or Disrespect Yourself or your fellow Service Members. You have a responsibility to act Honorably while in the Service to our Country and it Citizens.

Very Respectfully,

Retired Distinguished Disabled Naval Veteran

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2020 6:38 PM

2020-08-30T18:38:44-04:00

Decisively,

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Aug 30 at 2020 7:10 PM

2020-08-30T19:10:51-04:00

Sorry soldier, if you were in uniform there are regulations that dictate your actions in this situation and you didn't follow them!

Response by SN Donald Hoffman made Aug 30 at 2020 7:24 PM

2020-08-30T19:24:02-04:00

Complete agree, out of uniform, it’s your choice. Protest as you see fit. This is why we serve, freedom to express your beliefs.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Aug 30 at 2020 9:36 PM

2020-08-30T21:36:08-04:00

Report

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 31 at 2020 2:09 AM

2020-08-31T02:09:10-04:00

oh hell no! Better fuck that SM's life up... make them remember the oath they swore to. We do not put up with that bullshit... Hey, I was only an E4, not an NCO nor do I care about regs pertaining to.. but if any of my guys ever thought about that and I saw hem acting that shit out, I'd fuck them up... a smoke session would never feel so good

Response by LTC John Griscom made Aug 31 at 2020 1:31 PM

2020-08-31T13:31:49-04:00

He better be headed for sick call afterward or he will be in deep do-do.

Response by SSG Mike Busovicki made Aug 31 at 2020 2:41 PM

2020-08-31T14:41:56-04:00

if they aren't in uniform, then they are expressing their 1st amendment rights. Keep in mind we all swore to protect and defend the Constitution - which covers everyone, not just the ones whose opinions you happen to agree with.

Response by CPL Mark Garrigus made Aug 31 at 2020 3:04 PM

2020-08-31T15:04:16-04:00

You took an oath to defend with your life, his/her right to take knee for whatever they want to do.
Unless it is an act of war or deprives others of their rights.
This is not a question anyone who understands their role as a member of any branch of service should need to ask.
On duty in uniform, is a completely different thing.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Aug 31 at 2020 4:44 PM

2020-08-31T16:44:55-04:00

I see an episode of Conex counseling in that individuals near future, not that I condone such things. But sometimes those camouflage tent pole bags do have a mind of their own. lol Seriously, if he did in Uniform, well off to the pokey were going.

Response by SFC Juan Santiago made Sep 1 at 2020 7:38 AM

2020-09-01T07:38:35-04:00

I will report him/her to the commander. Also correct the person on the spot.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Sep 1 at 2020 10:32 AM

2020-09-01T10:32:27-04:00

Call them on the carpet and ask them if they want a discharge from the service... because it sure as hell looked like it with their disrespect to the National Anthem.
Maybe even accommodate them by filling out a Personnel Action form, DA 4187, requesting immediate Discharge from the Armed Forces and telling them to sign...
As the form moves up the Chain of Command they can explain... I'm just helping them along

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 2:17 PM

2020-09-01T14:17:29-04:00

We have an Army regulation that covers conduct when the National Anthem is played. Last time I looked it doesn’t get into non-official functions when not in uniform.

So if I observe a soldier out in the wild, not affiliating themselves with the Army, in civilian clothes, engaging in what many Americans recognize as an act of protest, I first have to ask how does it serve the needs of the Army to get involved?

Because I actually give a shit more about soldiers than I do the opinions of Rallypoint, I would afterwards pull that soldier aside and try to understand their reasons for protesting, and protesting in such a manner. I may agree, I may disagree, but I’ll learn a lot about that soldier that i wouldn’t otherwise learn if I went in with knifehands blazing. I’d probably also save making myself look like a jackass in front of a bunch of civilians.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 2:35 PM

2020-09-01T14:35:42-04:00

...can any of you manage to lead soldiers without trying to beat them up or UCMJ them?

I’m glad none of you had yourselves as leadership, you wouldn’t have survived to go on and talk about how tough you used to be.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 4:51 PM

2020-09-01T16:51:46-04:00

charge that fool

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Sep 5 at 2020 11:01 PM

2020-09-05T23:01:23-04:00

I love these reserved professional comments. I’ll be real, I would absolutely lay hands on that soldier. That shit would absolutely happen.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Sep 7 at 2020 2:08 PM

2020-09-07T14:08:47-04:00

Off duty out of uniform, we will have words. On duty in uniform, legal or not I will have to kick his ass.

Response by MSG Greg Kelly made Sep 8 at 2020 8:10 AM

2020-09-08T08:10:25-04:00

it would be bad

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2020 10:14 AM

2020-09-13T10:14:53-04:00

I believe I would have to struggle with an over whelming desire to drop kick him in the teeth. Then take a picture and post it alll over Post.

This is my second comment on this thread. It would be wonderful if this maggot was under my command when I was infantry. We no thought of physical harm the possibilities have no limit.
Digging fighting positions, clearing fields of fire, standing guard, patrols, cleaning weapons, ........there is no limit

Response by Frank Leverett made Sep 18 at 2020 2:31 PM

2020-09-18T14:31:16-04:00

Here's a follow on, I know that someone is a veteran, they make it public as they are part of a well known competition, and I saw them kneel and raise their fist during one. They are no longer in the military, but it's a part of their story and they not only don't hide it, but make it well known. What would you say about that?

Response by Cpl Alvin Diaz made Sep 21 at 2020 12:30 AM

2020-09-21T00:30:49-04:00

Fucking snitches. Wanna ruin a servicemembers career over such an innocuous action. At best, an on the spot counseling is in order (in private, because good leaders praise in public and correct in private), at worst a Page 11 counseling, if that. I realize this is a touchy subject and gets you blind, bias fucks all riled up, but don't lose your fucking bearings. Remember, JJ DID TIE BUCKLE.

Response by Cpl Alvin Diaz made Sep 21 at 2020 12:48 AM

2020-09-21T00:48:06-04:00

This question completely ignores the entire reason for the kneeling in the first place. It is not a question of patriotism...like, AT ALL!! But that's what you're making it about, taking focus away from the real issue. But I digress. This is just a bullshit site I come to for fun. And you idiots are very entertaining. Stupid, but entertaining.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Sep 27 at 2020 8:40 PM

2020-09-27T20:40:29-04:00

I kneel before God and no one else... I took a knee to propose 49 years ago, but that was it. We got married before God and to a kneel.... All else is disrespect... JP

Response by AA Richard Tallini made Oct 5 at 2020 2:23 PM

2020-10-05T14:23:04-04:00

I'm all about free speech, but if you're an active member, that includes times when out of uniform. The UCMJ still applies, and recognized or not, you represent the United States and its armed forces. Therefore, should be reported.

Response by SSG William Bruno made Oct 6 at 2020 6:08 AM

2020-10-06T06:08:43-04:00

Out of uniform and not identifying himself or herself as a military member, let it go. I don't have to like it, but Soldiers have a right to their opinions.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Oct 6 at 2020 1:08 PM

2020-10-06T13:08:14-04:00

On or off installation, in civilian cloths or out -- First, I would ask him/her to explain in detail why he/she would dishonor their fallen brothers and sisters -- as well as their own oath of enlistment?

Given that the current false narrative behind the disrespectful kneeling centers on the alleged "systemic racism" inherent in the founding of the Republic, I would then sit down with the individual and provide them with the education that their school teachers neglected.

First, I would share with them the text of the Declaration which provides the Vision Statement for the United States:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

I would remind the Soldier that while no one is perfect and despite the presence of slavery in that era, the Founders understood the inherent worth and rights of all human beings -- and that the declaration did not make any distinction based on skin color (reference to "Men" in that era included women, too -- i.e. "Men" is Mankind, or Humankind). The Vision of the declaration was aspirational -- a goal to be achieved by a new, free, and independent nation, eventually.

I would show them a copy of the rough draft of the Declaration that the slaveholder, Thomas Jefferson, penned for Congress' consideration. In this draft, Jefferson added -- as a grievance against the Crown -- the idea that the King would not allow the colonies to abolish slavery. Proving that one of the reasons we established an independent nation was to eventually rid ourselves of the practice:

"he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it's most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce..."

I would then show the Soldier (from the minutes of the Continental Congress) that only TWO of the thirteen colonies -- Georgia and South Carolina -- objected to the clause and moved to have it stricken from the final Declaration I would remind the Soldier that the other colonies had to compromise with Georgia and South Carolina...or there would NEVER be a chance at having a new nation and the opportunity to end slavery. I would remind them that the vote for independence had to be unanimous.

I would reveal to the Soldier that one of the first Black Soldiers to fight for American Independence was former slave, Peter Salem. I would ask him why a former slave would risk his life to fight to establish a "racist country." We could also bring up Crispus Attucks who was shot and killed by the British in the Boston Massacre.

Then, we'd discuss the origins of the Constitution that we'd both swore an oath to support and defend. I would demonstrate how the three-fifths clause (Article I, Section 2) and the moratorium on abolition of slave importation (Article I, Section 9), were both intended to ensure Slavery's ultimate demise. The Constitution did not state that Black slaves were only considered as "three-fifths" of a person. Rather, the idea that slaves were considered as three-fifths for the apportionment of representation was a poisoned pill aimed at the Slave States. (1) The Slave States wanted to have people as subhuman property and yet still count them as citizens for determining how many Congressmen the Slave States would have -- thus ensuring Slavery in perpetuity (because the Free States would never have enough Congressmen to vote for abolition). (2) The Slave States were threatening to leave the Convention if they couldn't count their slaves as people -- thus there would never be a chance at a strong central government to end slavery. (3) Allowing the Slave States to account for the slaves as three-fifths of a person for congressional representation kept the Constitution on track and was left as an encouragement for the Slave States to free the slaves (if they cared to increase their representation). (4) Guaranteeing a 20-year moratorium on the importation of slaves made it possible to obtain ratification of enough Slave States to install a stronger, central government to eventually put an end to slavery outright -- and get us closer to achieving the Vision in the declaration.

I would remind the Soldier of the fact that over 600,000 U.S. Soldiers, Sailors and Marines -- including Black Men -- died in the Civil War to end Slavery by preventing the establishment of the Confederate States...an nation that truly WAS founded on a racist ideology.

We would also conduct a survey of where the Political Parties stood throughout American History with regarding:

(1) to the preservation or abolition of slavery;
(2) the founding, rise, and political support of the first domestic terror organization: the Klu Klux Klan;
(3) which supported and winch opposed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments -- ending slavery, granting citizenship and voting rights to former Black slaves;
(4) which supported and which opposed Segregation and Jim Crow laws;
(5) which supported and which opposed (and then exploited) the Civil Right movement;
(6) which party embraced and still supports the racist eugenicist, Margaret Sanger and her Planned Parenthood...a vile person who saw Blacks as "weeds" to be exterminated;
(7) which party has fostered and defended Government programs that destroyed the Black family and guaranteed to them a permanent, dependent underclass beholding to that party for their continued sustenance;
(8) which Party has enslaved generations of minorities to failing public schools; and
(8) which Party is currently seeking to exploit the grievances and ignorance that their policies and ideologies created?

We would also go back -- line by line -- through Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech and explore what King meant by:

"In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the 'unalienable Rights' of 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.' It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked 'insufficient funds.'"

Then I would ask:

(1) Has America defaulted on the promise? Or has one PARTY in America refused payment on the promise?
(2) Can it really be said -- given the facts in their proper context -- that America was found as a Racist nation and still remains "irredeemably" racist? Or is the Nation as intended worthy of honor and devotion?
(3) If the Vision is true and worthy of honor and devotion -- even if we have not fully achieved it, yet, then why would any thinking individual dare to kneel and dishonor the Banner that symbolizes it?

I would also have them read aloud UCMJ Articles 90, 94 and 134 from the Manual for Courts Martial, the Federal Definitions for Terrorism and Domestic Terrorism and ask them how these might apply to ANTIFA, BLM, and Soldiers who dishonor their oaths of enlistment by sympathizing with such organizations who openly seek to discredit and demolish the Constitution and the Republic.

I would document this discussion on a DA Form 4856 (with any necessary addendum sheets) for future record, and continue to monitor.

Response by SMSgt Johnnie Pope made Oct 6 at 2020 5:42 PM

2020-10-06T17:42:41-04:00

Thats a Major No Go in my book. Especially if they are in Uniform. Depending on my status retired or active as to how I would handle it. It would definitely be a teaching moment for sure.

Response by SGT Stephen Perry made Oct 6 at 2020 11:18 PM

2020-10-06T23:18:30-04:00

I had a very good NCO while deployed in Afghanistan who preferred not to leave an article 15 paper trail unless absolutely necessary. When I became a NCO I held those same values to heart. If the SM was in Civvies I would give them a very good talking to about the situation but if in uniform, that is where I would have to draw the line, the standards exist for a reason and in cases such as the SM doing the above I would have definitely informed their chain of command.

Response by SGT Scott Moreland made Oct 7 at 2020 12:12 AM

2020-10-07T00:12:58-04:00

The first thing would be to talk to a chain of command about the failure in leadership. Your men and women are a direct reflection of it. The next would be to fix that problem and take the opportunity to educate everyone so that no one mistakes what it means to serve.

Response by SSG Shauna Holmes made Oct 7 at 2020 11:04 AM

2020-10-07T11:04:53-04:00

If you're still hung up on "respect", just remember the ACTUAL reason for the protest. If you still won't acknowledge, then I suggest you don't get bent out of shape if a Black soldier you know or seeved with becomes a victim of police brutality.
Just to put things into perspective:
1. Blacks have served this country since its inception
2. VERY few Blacks were truly free (they mostly lived in the northeastern states).
3. Blacks have been denied constitutional rights, civil rights and sometimes basic human rights while helping the U.S. expand its territory.
4. Blacks suffered from abject discrimination while in uniform from the Civil War to Vietnam.
5. Racism and discrimination have evolved to where the average white person would NOT recognize it as such.

Also, after 400 years, wouldn't you think at SOME point internalized anger wouldn't explode?

Response by SPC Robert Light made Oct 7 at 2020 12:53 PM

2020-10-07T12:53:56-04:00

I WOULD KNOCK THEM OUT AND DRAG THEM TO THEIR 1ST SERGEANT SO HE COULD "TUNE THEM UP" IN A WAY ONLY A SENIOR N.C.O. COULD

Response by CW3 Sean Feely made Oct 7 at 2020 4:10 PM

2020-10-07T16:10:48-04:00

One warning...then Article 15. You are a soldier 24/7... Uniform is irrelevant. I know it is in fashion to not follow the rules in the civilian world but that doesn't fly in the US Military. You raised a hand to this Country and swore to defend. Army Regulation and 36 U.S. Code § 301 National Anthem. They refuse. CH 13 Failure to Adapt!

Response by Sgt Mitch Collins made Oct 7 at 2020 7:04 PM

2020-10-07T19:04:34-04:00

I would compliment him for his commitment to free expression and calling attention to the country falling short of its ideals. Forced conformity is not freedom. This is not North Korea.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Oct 21 at 2020 2:57 PM

2020-10-21T14:57:00-04:00

Since I am retired he quickly would go from the kneeling position to the laying on the ground position when after the music ends.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Nov 1 at 2020 5:00 PM

2020-11-01T17:00:44-05:00

Break his leg.

Nothing personal, just business.

Response by PVT Dominique Stewart made Dec 4 at 2020 7:41 PM

2020-12-04T19:41:33-05:00

I wouldn't. Let them kneel

Response by SSgt Tim Weedeman made Dec 5 at 2020 6:39 PM

2020-12-05T18:39:53-05:00

YOU are on duty 24/7 and as such I would report this issue to your CO and approach the person and remind them they represent our country. This is not optional when they take the oath. if that interferes with there personal beliefs then they should look into voluntary seperation from duty. They volunteered to represent the USA and must meet the standard or remove themselves. I served 8 and got out because of the issues of politics and that has no place in our military EVER.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Dec 11 at 2020 10:17 PM

2020-12-11T22:17:22-05:00

I would have to overcome my urgent desire to give them a large helping of lumps. But calmed down I would handle it through their Sgt Major as has been outlined above. Imposing self restraint to keep from inserting his left toe in his right ear however might result in straining myself.

Response by CW2 Donald Loughrey made Dec 15 at 2020 8:16 PM

2020-12-15T20:16:25-05:00

Its sad but a reflection of the times that this question is even presented on the forum. In reflection, if it was one of my Soldiers and not in uniform, I'd have to agree that it would be his/her "right" to do so. I would ask him/her if they plan to ETS when it comes up since it would make no sense to remain in a military when it's Country's Flag isn't worth respecting. It they were so vapid as to do so in uniform, I would probably get Court Martialed myself...but I'm one of those old timers so who cares anymore?

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Dec 15 at 2020 10:38 PM

2020-12-15T22:38:05-05:00

I see a lot of responses. Some are right, wrong and indifferent. But on base if I see something like this while the raising or retreating the Flag (Colors) I would dress him or her down and let it go as a warning. I believe there is something in The Manual of Court Martials about disrespecting the flag of the United States and of other countries whither Foe or Friend. But off base and off duty I have no authority to dress someone down unless I'm in a Official Duty position off post i.e. MP Patrol and they are in uniform. End result just use common sense and think it through before acting. Sometimes it is better to turn a blind eye and a death ear than to cause a bunch of Drama.

Response by CPL Benjamin Cousins made Dec 16 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-12-16T10:26:07-05:00

All traitors must die.

Response by SrA Alvin Cook made Dec 16 at 2020 7:30 PM

2020-12-16T19:30:59-05:00

Not acceptable while in Uniform. Specific code of conduct guidelines that apply to service members. Out of uniform and not representing your branch of service it is your personal choice. On a personal level I was taught that kneeling was a sign of reverence. You kneel before GOD as a sign of reverence not as a sign of disrespect. Nowhere in any etiquette book or anywhere else or any other circumstance is kneeling considered disrespectful

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Dec 17 at 2020 1:04 PM

2020-12-17T13:04:28-05:00

Order him not to do it again in uniform if he is, otherwise, telling him to make sure not to do that during on duty or in uniform. If he fails to obey, write him up. Thereafter, refer to your OIC for Article 15 for failure to obey a direct order and display an act that is against the good of the Army and let the officers deal with it.

As much as anyone can express their free speech, that free speech must be compromised toward others' free speech as well. Chain of command can make it a standing order, which then as long as within that order he has to obey unless it is against the "good nature" of moral value, not the individual's one.

Simply put, "There is a time and place for everything, but the Army's time is not the place for him to do so."

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2020 6:34 AM

2020-12-23T06:34:06-05:00

Well, the reg reads that if you are in uniform that you are to stand at attention and salute at the playing of the first note till the end. If they are not in uniform, them you can't do anything. It is their right to kneel if they want to. Only if they were in uniform I would say something to them.

Response by SSgt Wallace Smith made Dec 25 at 2020 8:57 PM

2020-12-25T20:57:57-05:00

If was one of Mine for sure I would have ripped them a new one, out of uniform or not. Now having said that if I did not know who it was can’t do a lot however if I saw the individual at some other point I would remind them of what I saw and tell them things like that aren’t really good for your career. I think sometimes picking and choosing what’s going to make the most impact is how it’s handled. Enter said personal feelings I would have like to plant a size 10 up their butt. I also don’t know what refs say about it anymore as well

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2021 12:54 AM

2021-01-04T00:54:09-05:00

This is my second comment on this thread. It would be wonderful if this maggot was under my command when I was infantry. We no thought of physical harm the possibilities have no limit.
Digging fighting positions, clearing fields of fire, standing guard, patrols, cleaning weapons, ........there is no limit

Response by SSG Dale London made Jan 4 at 2021 3:22 AM

2021-01-04T03:22:07-05:00

I can think of few things more disloyal than the denigration of our national anthem or flag. If that's how he felt I would do my best to help him avoid violating his principles by helping him get his sorry, faithless butt out of my army.

Response by SP5 George Smith made Jan 4 at 2021 1:32 PM

2021-01-04T13:32:48-05:00

Was the soldier exempt from taking the oath to serve and protect our country? Start from there.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Jan 8 at 2021 12:26 PM

2021-01-08T12:26:29-05:00

Non PC, kick 'em in the ass.

Response by PO2 John Harker made Jan 18 at 2021 12:38 PM

2021-01-18T12:38:53-05:00

Out of uniform I might ask 'em what's up. In uniform they'd be told very bluntly to get up and respect the flag.
That's as far as I would need to take it. Out of uniform it doesn't matter, in uniform they would not forget me or what I had to say.

Response by CPL Barrie D Davey made Jan 27 at 2021 10:52 AM

2021-01-27T10:52:06-05:00

STOP, THINK, there might be a good reason why.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmlAZdXK6Kk

Soldier sits down as tribute to Queen

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Response by MAJ Jeffrey Johnson made Jan 27 at 2021 2:03 PM

2021-01-27T14:03:32-05:00

Were they in uniform? We're they representing the military? If not, I believe the action is protected.

Response by PO2 Christopher Hurlbut made Jan 28 at 2021 1:30 AM

2021-01-28T01:30:17-05:00

If they were in uniform, I would probably say something if at a military event. In public, whether in uniform or not, whatever.

Response by SGT Daniel Jones made Jan 28 at 2021 11:49 AM

2021-01-28T11:49:12-05:00

Throughout history Kneeling has always been a sign of submission. So if someone wants to kneel during the playing of our National Anthem I have no beef with it. Actually I think kneeling at sporting events while the Anthem plays is more respectful than not coming out of the locker room until after it has been done. HOWEVER I do have a beef if a service member is in uniform due to the current implications associated with the kneeling right now. They should get out of the service if that is how they feel.

Response by AN Lance Murdock made Jan 28 at 2021 6:11 PM

2021-01-28T18:11:59-05:00

As long as out of uniform and no way to ID him/ her are military ..it’s his right .. if in uniform they should be reported to their superiors an action taken

Response by SFC William Turner made Jan 28 at 2021 9:54 PM

2021-01-28T21:54:20-05:00

If I know the soldier in civvies is a soldier then someone else in the crowd probably knows him too. I'm retired but it would very hard for me not to make a REAL scene with him after the last note of the anthem was played. He has NO business doing such a thing. If they played "Amazing Grace" or another hymn then OK. Military people stand at attention with their right hand over their heart in civvies or, attention with a hand salute in uniform! No exceptions unless sitting in a wheelchair!

Response by SSG Greg Smith made Jan 29 at 2021 12:14 AM

2021-01-29T00:14:33-05:00

Not in uniform. In uniform you don’t have the right by regulation. Outside well that is their prerogative whether you or I agree. It is peaceful protest though I think it’s the wrong way to go about it. The anthem means something more to us then the average citizen. A conversation as to what the anthem represents for us specifically should be had.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2021 12:51 AM

2021-01-29T00:51:17-05:00

DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY. We are living in very difficult times. Our loyalty belongs to the constitution, with that, we need to maintain our military bearing. A good conversation with the Soldier to make him understand that, we are not to make any political point, with/without uniform. If a Soldier decided to do it, then he is in the wrong organization. Keep in mind that we work to protect our constitution, however, we give away some of those freedoms when we sign for. I will investigate any kind of harassment within the organization any equal opportunity violation. The kneeling is the consequence, but the motive.

Response by Sgt Michael Oberline made Jan 29 at 2021 9:47 AM

2021-01-29T09:47:19-05:00

I would put on my dress blues and join him. This country is in the crapper and sinking in like it is quicksand. It is high time someone had the stones to take a stand for right instead of whimpering "I'm not allowed to speak or think for myself."

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Jan 31 at 2021 8:06 PM

2021-01-31T20:06:59-05:00

kneeling for no reason would be WRONG.???

Response by PO1 Steve Ditto made Feb 1 at 2021 12:13 PM

2021-02-01T12:13:43-05:00

It would depend if they were in uniform or in civies.

Response by SPC Charles Sewell made Feb 11 at 2021 7:53 PM

2021-02-11T19:53:01-05:00

UCMJ, Article 15. In the military it is not a choice. If a troop is kneeling during the National Anthem then he is in for some extra duty and maybe some other goodies, what ever Top or the Commander thinks is best. If they have that kind of problem then they should save it for civilian world not the service.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2021 5:17 PM

2021-03-12T17:17:50-05:00

I would not question his motives. But see in his actions!

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Mar 14 at 2021 10:25 AM

2021-03-14T10:25:19-04:00

I am so tired of this question. What would you do if you saw someone new in during the national anthem? What would you do if you saw someone eating a hotdog why they play the national anthem? What do you do when the flag goes by in a parade? Do you stand up and pay attention? Do the people around you stand up and pay attention? I love my country and I love my people, But that does not Meaning that I believe them pay proper respect the flag. A football player kneeling during the national anthem And paying Attention Is a lot less offensive to me than thousands of people in the stands talking to each other, Telling jokes, And drinking beer when the national anthem is played.

Response by SPC Eric Johnson made Mar 19 at 2021 8:25 PM

2021-03-19T20:25:21-04:00

I know my comments won’t come off correctly . I’m a fifth generation Johnson to serve our nation . I can’t stand anyone who kneels , no matter what their issue is . Young boys and girls from all races have given their life’s to raise the flag . They have earned 32 seconds of respect yes America has issues and we need do better . So if your serving our military and kneel YOUR OUT that simple

Response by SGT Jim Harris made Mar 19 at 2021 9:14 PM

2021-03-19T21:14:47-04:00

rip him a new a__ hole

Response by SPC Bryan Holmes made Mar 20 at 2021 9:00 AM

2021-03-20T09:00:29-04:00

I’m a true believer of the First Amendment; however we put that on pause when we are in Uniform. When a soldier is on their own time, they should be respectful and diligent on how they show their personal feelings and identity. But we also have a responsibility to guard and provide safety and security for those we don’t always agree with.

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Mar 20 at 2021 10:33 AM

2021-03-20T10:33:08-04:00

Court Marshal, if they have a clearance it should be revoked. If they were in uniform I’d take a photo, ask for their ID card and ask them to follow me, if they refused I confiscate their ID card as government property and give it to G-1 after notifying g the provost marshal...
Could I get in trouble for taking the id perhaps but better than allowing this to go unchallenged. That overweight cyber command USMC master gunnery that called out the reporter while in uniform should be fired for the same reason. No political speech in uniform, the media, and certain politicians are working to politicize the military it must not be allowed.

Response by MSgt Danny Derden made Mar 20 at 2021 2:34 PM

2021-03-20T14:34:16-04:00

I prefer to handle issues UNofficially whenever possible. I'd probably arrange a training incident. Training should always serve a higher purpose and well planned training usually will suffice to do just that.

Response by 1SG Charles Simpson made Mar 20 at 2021 6:05 PM

2021-03-20T18:05:13-04:00

I would request a General court martial and recommend the maximum allowed under provisions of the UCMJ because not rendering proper respect to the colors and to our national anthem is in direct disobedience to a lawful published order. Service in our military forces is a privilege, not a right, and everyone who joins our forces swears to obey all lawful orders given by those appointed over them. If you abuse the privilege of serving, you should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Response by SFC Ritchie Inns made Mar 20 at 2021 10:34 PM

2021-03-20T22:34:04-04:00

45 days extra duty, 60 days confinement, reduction in rank, half month’s pay for two months. Next offense: court martial and dishonorable discharge. I risked my life for 24 years protecting my country, flag, family and fellow citizens, as well as both of my sons, daughter-in-law, son-in-law, father, aunt, uncle and both grandfathers in WWII. You don’t want to show respect, get the hell out my military.

Response by PO1 Steven Ewing made Mar 21 at 2021 12:01 PM

2021-03-21T12:01:28-04:00

I assume all the branches of the Armed Forces have similar regulations...Navy Regulation 1205 requires all Navy Personnel in uniform to face the flag, come to attention, and if covered render a proper hand salute, persons in civilian clothes shall comply with the roles and customs established for civilians.

Failure to comply with those regulations are punishable under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and constitutes commission of a serious offense and are grounds for administrative separation from the service.

Response by Sgt Robert Lombard made Mar 21 at 2021 3:17 PM

2021-03-21T15:17:38-04:00

Standing during the Anthem - and/or reciting the Pledge - is a personal matter of honor, IMO. However - that honor was sworn upon during the enlistment ceremony. How does the soldier honorably retract his pledge?

Response by PO3 Michael Rossiter made Mar 21 at 2021 5:58 PM

2021-03-21T17:58:39-04:00

Kick some slackers ass !

Response by SGT Patrick Gaebelein made Mar 21 at 2021 10:23 PM

2021-03-21T22:23:33-04:00

It is a violation if Article 134 UCMJ, specifically Breach of Custom of Service by refusing to render honors to the colors, it also a violation of Article 134 of the UCMJ as conduct contrary to maintenance of good order and discipline

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Mar 22 at 2021 1:03 AM

2021-03-22T01:03:58-04:00

Everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame. Don't make a big deal and let them look stupid. The new thing now is NO national anthem before a sports event--problem solved.

Response by SGT John Graham made Mar 22 at 2021 7:07 PM

2021-03-22T19:07:06-04:00

A first impression would be wanting to kick his ass. However, it is his expression of free speech. I believe our country is strong enough to accept those with different beliefs. If the individual is identifying as a active duty military member or in uniform, then things change. Our military controls our right to dissent in uniform and on duty, in some cases off duty.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Mar 23 at 2021 7:52 AM

2021-03-23T07:52:23-04:00

1st that would never happen but if it did. I dont think it would be a healthy decision for him. I would contact all my admin ninjas and tell them to find the right way to get him out of the military, and most defiantly my unit. Jon I feel confident I would become unprofessional pretty quick. Luckily that is not an issue that is pretty pervasive in SF.

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Mar 23 at 2021 8:02 AM

2021-03-23T08:02:24-04:00

Sorry I am fired up now! ...if it was at a ballgame or like event and it was just some joe/jane in uniform intentionally taking a knee during the anthem. I would get some pictures, do a little research and find out the unit and commander. I would send him/her the photos and maybe pay them a visit. Jon damn it man I have not had my coffee yet and I am ready to put my hands around some jackasses neck.

OK, I need to make some coffee, hell man I am retired.

Response by CPT Keith Celebrezze made Mar 23 at 2021 11:04 AM

2021-03-23T11:04:36-04:00

Call them to attention or parade rest. If they don't, NJP. This is the Army, not football.

Good luck.

Response by 1SG Alfred Webster made Mar 23 at 2021 12:35 PM

2021-03-23T12:35:47-04:00

Depends ,whether -in uniform .If in uniform, I would immediately correct the soldier, not in uniform ,I would counsel him/her at a later time ,so as to not cause a scene .

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Mar 23 at 2021 2:43 PM

2021-03-23T14:43:29-04:00

I'd tell him to remember his/her oath upon enlistment. Military is/was held at a higher standard up until recently that is.

Response by TSgt Matthew Covey made Mar 24 at 2021 2:18 PM

2021-03-24T14:18:44-04:00

I'm now retired but if I were not and they were in uniform, they would be dressed down. If they were not in uniform but on base, they would be dressed down. If they were off base and not representing themselves as military, I would talk to them but explain it is their right as a civilian to do so.

Response by SFC Conrad B Chavez made Mar 25 at 2021 12:27 AM

2021-03-25T00:27:26-04:00

On duty or off your actions could bring a bad image on the Army. I’d push for UCMJ.
You’re disrespecting our nations flag and the US. You have to be neutral in all situations. If you want to be a SJW...then leave the service.

Response by PFC Ray Aquila made Mar 25 at 2021 4:27 AM

2021-03-25T04:27:11-04:00

There is no provision in the US Constitution that requires anyone to stand during the National Anthem. One kneeling whether in uniform or not can express as one deems more comfortable. One kneeling maybe praying, etc. The biggest problem we have in this country. Others gets into the business of others. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL ANOTHER WHAT TO DO. The best for everyone. MIND YOUR OWN AFFAIRS.

Response by SGT Phil Marsh made Mar 25 at 2021 3:05 PM

2021-03-25T15:05:31-04:00

The fact this even a discussion is the real disgrace.

Response by PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith made Mar 25 at 2021 3:31 PM

2021-03-25T15:31:27-04:00

Seems like one of those questions we all know the answer to yet the blow hards want to answer...yes your big bad tough guys with rank and power are gonna crush those bastards for showing any sort of patriotism that conflicts with your POV. Go ahead and down vote me blow hards lol I do enjoy it when I get a down vote from some poor bastard with no one to boss around anymore kisses

Response by PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith made Mar 25 at 2021 3:33 PM

2021-03-25T15:33:29-04:00

How you gonna find out lol y’all have boycotted all the sports...funny how that cancel culture runs both ways

Response by SrA Chuck Thomas made Mar 26 at 2021 6:51 AM

2021-03-26T06:51:27-04:00

I suppose I'd first seek to understand the reason for it.

Response by PO3 Thomas Corey made Mar 26 at 2021 12:56 PM

2021-03-26T12:56:01-04:00

Oh, I think we should repress everyone and pretend that there is nothing wrong with our country, our government, our corrupt politicians. Anyone who brings notice of anything that might be considered wrong within our perfect country should be punished to the extreme!

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Mar 28 at 2021 11:41 AM

2021-03-28T11:41:25-04:00

I can't speak for the Army but I can tell you that the Coast Guard is steeped in traditions of the sea that harken even to the British Men-of-War. That said, loyalty was and is a valued attribute. Among the "Tars" they relied on loyalty. An indicator of their loyalty among other displays they "turned to" at attention on the main deck for Morning and Evening colors. Today, a sailor who kneels should be immediately pulled from ranks by the Division Chief, placed on report, and face Mast. You cannot allow, even for one second any sign of disloyalty or dishonor among the ranks. Such action by a crewman is prejudicial to good order and disapline. If this were to happen on a Revenue Cutter in the 1700s, the sailor would face Mast and then the Bosun would administer the requiste number of lashes in front of the crew. We don't punish in that manner anymore, but we take action quickly to stop and discourage any signs of disloyalty or dishonor by a crew member. As a Platoon Sergeat you cannot afford to have members of your platoon exhibiting this kind of behavior. Once they are allowed to get away with that displlay, they will confront your authority everytime because they know what they did was wrong and you lert them get away with it. What they do on Liberty is their business, but when in formation and on-duty its yours and the commands business. Our military is becoming too Woke.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2021 2:19 PM

2021-03-28T14:19:12-04:00

Active duty military - there is nothing in the wording of 36 U.S. Code § 301 "National anthem" about taking a knee in or out of uniform.

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart.

Personally, I would counsel the member. If it happened again,... NJP for article 92 (disobeying an order). “Salute all officers and standards not cased”. They can take a knee after they exit the military if the so choose.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Mar 28 at 2021 4:09 PM

2021-03-28T16:09:16-04:00

You know this discussion has been going on for quite a while now. Do we or don’t we approve or disapprove of people taking a knee during the national anthem. Let me change the question do we prove or disapprove of people being disrespectful when the national anthem is played. To the second question I point out all the people I see eating a hotdog while national anthem is played, I think that’s disrespectful. I point out all the people I see talking to each other well the national anthem is played, I think that’s disrespectful. I point out all the people I see doing all kinds of things other than standing at attention and paying attention to the national anthem. For some reason we have been going to except all these things for so long but then suddenly someone said they didn’t like police brutality and we’re going to take a knee over it and we started a national debate on who is and who is it patriotic. I honestly don’t know how much please brutality there is in the United States. But I find it hard to believe they’re in the 900,000 policeman in the United States no this one of them has done something wrong. And I don’t approve of that person’s conduct. Now if you want to argue that there was just one person in all those groups or if it was a majority of all those people then I’m willing to have a discussion. But if you’re going to say no matter how good or bad the situation is taking a knee is disrespectful to the national anthem United States of America and all the military that have served since George Washington then I’m going to argue that the guy with the hotdog the people talking the people looking around to picking their teeth come in their hair I’m fixing your clothes are all guilty of the same thing.

Response by MSgt Kerry Lundy made Mar 28 at 2021 8:59 PM

2021-03-28T20:59:47-04:00

If I knew for a fact he/she was a soldier I would ask to see his ID and if he/she was one of my subordinates I would inform this individual to be in my office tomorrow morning at 0800 at which time me and he/she would take a trip to see our Commander and First SGT. If he was not one of mine I would note his name and the next duty day I would determine his unit and make his First Sgt aware of his activities. I would also use my cell phone camera to document the incident with photos. No excuse for such behavior especially by a US Military person.

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Mar 28 at 2021 9:54 PM

2021-03-28T21:54:30-04:00

Court Martial offense. If they disagree with respecting the flag, their service and uniform, and their sworn oath then they should take the honorable path and resign. Otherwise they are playing games to earn culture points. Do the right thing one way or the other or else they are a punk and dishonest poser. Retired Navy Captain

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Mar 28 at 2021 10:01 PM

2021-03-28T22:01:24-04:00

Definitely would not put that person on my must promote list. Not much I would do if that person was on their own time, out of uniform and didn't signal they were in the military. However, in uniform, is another matter that would be handled formally. In any case pier pressure would be more stringent on the soldier than I could legally be.

Response by MGySgt Charles Restifo made Mar 28 at 2021 11:28 PM

2021-03-28T23:28:27-04:00

It 8s s a solum duty by the other of duty to each and every member to uphold and honor their fellow members of the armed forces. Taking a knee is a choice but you as as an invdual have sworn to each and every person a vote to uphold the traditions and respect of those service memembers around and before you. Do not bow to public opinion stand fast to your commands

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2021 1:05 AM

2021-03-29T01:05:14-04:00

Turn them in and it does not matter if they are one of my soldiers or not. U do not diss our National Anthem, Flag or anything that represents out country at all ever. This is not ever okay for a civilian let alone a soldier, weather they are in uniform or not. U are supposed to salute the Flag in or out of uniform.

Response by SFC Charles Webb made Mar 29 at 2021 1:20 PM

2021-03-29T13:20:04-04:00

If that was MY Soldier, even out of uniform, we'd be having a developmental counseling session, illustrating our military's function in this society and the fact as servicemembers we(they) not only remain non partisan, but also avoid any acts that poorly reflect upon the perception that we are anything more than the guardians of the Constitution, and the public who lives under said Constitution....and the inherent contradiction that you salute the flag in uniform, but take a knee out of it.......my take

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Mar 29 at 2021 1:33 PM

2021-03-29T13:33:16-04:00

UCMJ

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Mar 29 at 2021 7:36 PM

2021-03-29T19:36:16-04:00

We are military, we stand and salute. However, since the Russian asset is gone; I don't think this will be a problem. Well, maybe in Georgia.

Response by SPC Charles McFate made Mar 31 at 2021 2:23 AM

2021-03-31T02:23:17-04:00

If the "soldier" was in uniform, there would be hell to pay...
Even though times are changing, military service is not about an individual, it is about the whole cohesive structure. Squad, platoon, company, battalion...
We can even "dig" (pun intended) it down to 2 man foxholes.
You know someone always has your back as you do theirs, you are never alone!

Response by 1LT Robert Stevenson made Apr 3 at 2021 1:36 PM

2021-04-03T13:36:38-04:00

So we go back in history 3 1/2 years for this question? I have been out of the Army too long to know how the Uniform Code reads on this but f he/she wants to pray for the country during the playing of the national anthem and his/her faith calls for kneeling while praying that is between them and their Creator (under whatever name they know that Creator by). I don't kneel on those occasions because I'm 84 and the knees might not lift me up again, but I sure do lower my head and pray that "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?" will someday soon finally become true for everyone regardless of race, creed, national origin or any of the other differences that far too many choose to use to "one-up" others (Diversity if Beautiful!))

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Apr 10 at 2021 12:03 AM

2021-04-10T00:03:25-04:00

Kneeling before the Queen of England, the Pope, and a Priest during communion, is a sign of respect. If someone feels that kneeling in the presence of Old Glory is a sign of respect, who are we to decide that it is inappropriate. Follow your own moral compass and let others follow theirs.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Apr 18 at 2021 11:44 PM

2021-04-18T23:44:48-04:00

It’s a counseling statement the 1st time, maybe just a good talking to if it’s a good troop. But you’re on army time from the moment you raised your hand until the moment you ETS period. You surrendered your constitutional rights when you swore an oath to defend them for others. I say this because the reasons why you would do it are irrelevant. They may be completely valid, but they still don’t matter. I don’t agree with every amendment or word but then I don’t have to. Socially we still have a long way to go. But that’s not your concern while you serve in the military. You can speak with your vote and do your job. But you’ll respect tradition and UCMJ and hold your mud while you serve. Uniform or in your civs or you’ll find yourself on the carpet.

Response by LCpl David Warren made Apr 30 at 2021 6:57 AM

2021-04-30T06:57:20-04:00

A touchy situation, but I would talk to them. Military personnel may have to do alot of things they do not believe in or like. But this is the sacrifice we go thru to be part of best Military force the world has seen. Sometimes people opinions change about the way they see the world, that's okay to. But you have to be an example of togetherness for the people you protect. No kneeling!

Response by PO1 Michael Withrow made May 2 at 2021 12:07 PM

2021-05-02T12:07:41-04:00

this happened a few times.. the POS was charged and put out of the military ex: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sailor-declines-stand-not-salute-national-anthem-article-1.2810023

Sailor with Navy Reserve says she has been punished for declining to stand and salute during...

A sailor with the Navy Reserve is in hot water after taking a page out of Colin Kaepernick's playbook.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made May 2 at 2021 4:08 PM

2021-05-02T16:08:12-04:00

Out of uniform off base... I would probably just voice my dislike and ask him/her if they remember the OATH they took.
In uniform... my first thought would be to kick their ass all the way to the stockaid. My 2nd thought would be to get their name, rank, serial number, and unit. I would then write up a report and turn it over to the CO of their unit or the provost marshal.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2021 6:39 PM

2021-05-02T18:39:33-04:00

I wouldn't judge that individual; I know the meaning of the anthem and how important it is to myself. I have lost many friends to the war in Afghanistan and have lost good friends in general in the military. While this is the case, If that personnel wasn't in uniform, is respect their first amendment right to protest. I understand what it is to be military and a minority; I know they say race doesn't matter in service, but id beg a differ. I have been the recipient of someone calling me the “N” word and laughing about it. So it is understandable to me why someone would want to protest, even though I wouldn't do it myself. On the other hand, if that person is in uniform, it would be a different story. I would talk to them afterward, letting them know that the uniform shouldn't be used in personal protests.

Response by CW3 Steve Butts made May 3 at 2021 2:19 AM

2021-05-03T02:19:43-04:00

Remind them of their responsibility of being a soldier. If in my unit the individual would be written up and if not in the same unit, the incident report would be forward to his chain of command. Such acts clearly reflect a lack of professionalism while disrespecting the country which they serve.

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made May 3 at 2021 12:59 PM

2021-05-03T12:59:25-04:00

Regardless of where I was at, I would say something. It wouldn't really matter if they were in the military or not. Them being in the military only gives me more options. First off I would ask his name rank and the unit he belongs to. Then I remind them of the fact that they in uniform or not, that they represent the military and the government and their actions speak larger than words. Now, if they weren't mine I would report them to their command and let them deal with them IF they were mine, I would keep it "in house" and have them report to me first thing in the morning for "extra training"

Response by SMSgt Billy Cesarano made May 3 at 2021 9:29 PM

2021-05-03T21:29:08-04:00

You should know the regulations and uphold them accordingly.

Response by LT Stewart Herrick made May 3 at 2021 9:39 PM

2021-05-03T21:39:54-04:00

I certainly agree with the first part of Maj Bell's response. I am a bit torn, however, even if the
individual was in uniform but off-base. Taking a knee has become a legitimate and accepted
form of protest and we are very fortunate to enjoy that privilege. I would assume that the
soldier had the courage of his/her convictions - whether he or she was black or white. I would not make an issue of it.
On base, I could simply stand back and watch him or her taken to task by an onslaught of others!

Response by SGT Mustafa Stokely made May 3 at 2021 10:11 PM

2021-05-03T22:11:50-04:00

On the surface, this is an easy question to answer. While in uniform, everyone, regardless of their rank are bound by certain laws, rules, standards, and expectations. This is why a serving service member must always remain apolitical, and the importance of this cannot be emphasized enough. In fact, this is one of the things that keep our military branches out of playing politics. We must never take sides and we must never comment on politics while in uniform. This is a part of our collective professionalism.

Then there is the matter of social-justice, and social realities, divorced of politics and ideologies. For example, the African-American experience in the United States often can be decidedly different than the White experience, and the same could be said of all of the other racial/ethnic segments of our society. Asian-Americans are currently finding themselves at the receiving end of much hate and racism amplified by the current pandemic. Theirs, too, is a unique experience. Things have also been tough for America’s Muslims and Sikhs, especially in the aftermath of 9/11, and the list goes on.

I think if a serving service member is in uniform, he/she should expect consequences. If a serving service member participates in an extremist rally, an insurrection, etc., in or out of uniform, he/she should expect severe consequences. On the other hand, an individual on his/her own time, out of uniform likely still retains the right to constitutionally guaranteed Freedom of Speech, and should not be punished for exercising that right peacefully.

Response by SGT Mustafa Stokely made May 3 at 2021 10:49 PM

2021-05-03T22:49:33-04:00

By the way, this comes from FM 27-1 Legal Guide for Commanders.
I quote:
"DEMONSTRATING
Soldiers may participate in demonstrations if they do not-
--Do so during duty hours.
--Soldiers participating during duty hours maybe considered AWOL.
--Do so while in uniform.
--Soldiers in uniform can give the appearance that the Army sponsors or approves of the demonstration.
--Do so while on post.
--Do so while in a foreign country.Create a breach of law and order such as blocking traffic or assaulting police.
--DO so when violence is likely to result. (SeeAR 600-20, paragraph 5-3.)
Soldiers who demonstrate in a manner prohibited by AR 600-20 may be subject to disciplinary action.

EXPRESSING OPINIONS ON POLITICAL SUBJECTS
Soldiers do not lose the right to express opinions on all political subjects and candidates.
Soldiers may not, however, use “official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with an election or affecting the course of its outcome" (DOD Directive 1344.10). Therefore, as a commander, you may not campaign among your subordinates for any political party or candidate or distribute any literature published by one."

On the subject of "Freedom of Expression," FM 27-1 states, "The right of all citizens to express their feelings freely and openly has only those limitations necessary to protect the rights of society. Soldiers have the same basic rights. These rights must, however, be consistent with good order and discipline and national security." There is some room for subjective interpretation, though presumably any inferences made must be in line with the majority. In other words, the litmus test would presumably be, "Would others also interpret the events along similar lines."

On the subject of "Attending political meetings," FM 27-1 states, "When not in uniform, soldiers may attend both partisan and nonpartisan political meetings or rallies as spectators. While soldiers may go to these rallies, they may not speak before a partisan political gathering of any kind to promote a partisan political party or candidate.The limitations on soldiers participating in public demonstrations also apply to participating in political meetings. That is, soldiers cannot do so when on duty, while in uniform, while on post, and so forth. Furthermore, soldiers may not attend partisan political events as representatives of the Army, even though they do not actively participate. (See AR 600-20, Appendix B.) • • • •Soldiers may also join political clubs and attend meetings when not in uniform.However,they may not serve in any official capacity (for instance, as officers) or be sponsors of a partisan political club."

I hope this is helpful in the discussion.

Response by MSG Henry Pedrina made May 4 at 2021 3:23 AM

2021-05-04T03:23:04-04:00

As COL Oseles stated. Service Members are duty bound by regulation - whether they're in uniform or in civilian clothes. They're still military members and need to adhere to the policies and regulations. Once they exit the military or retire, then rules and regulations may not apply but traditions should continue on.

Response by SPC Louis Gillespie made May 4 at 2021 9:54 PM

2021-05-04T21:54:59-04:00

It is my understanding that as long as your are on are active duty serving your country you are on call 24/7/365 and must conduct yourself with the highest of standards and any such discrepancies or disrespect are not to be tolerated. The UCMJ would become a nightmare of the worst kind for the offending soldier. Respect is everything that's why you stand and salute if you can't do that Get Out ! There is no place here for you.

Response by SPC(P) Jesus Seineke made May 4 at 2021 11:28 PM

2021-05-04T23:28:15-04:00

A question - Why?

Honest answer - anything more is just speculation

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made May 5 at 2021 1:13 AM

2021-05-05T01:13:04-04:00

I would quietly remind that soldier that the US Army is A-political, and political actions/protests are not acceptable - AND that showing disrespect for the very flag he/she was serving under was most ASSUREDLY not acceptable and PERHAPS he/she should seriously consider finding other employment - YESTERDAY. And then, if possible, I would assist that soldier in un-enlisting.

Response by Sgt Jake Middlebrook made May 5 at 2021 8:36 PM

2021-05-05T20:36:22-04:00

First if you are an identifiable member of the military, like it or not, you represent all of us. Your disrespect, reflects on all of us, as does your respect and common sense correct action. Second there is no way I can trust anyone who will not subordinate themselves to the point of showing respect for the flag and the National Anthem. I would not trust such a person to pick up trash without direct supervision. That being the case the only course of action I have is to Discover that person's name and rank. Report them, refuse duty with them until given a direct order to do so. Then respectfully follow that order under the protest they are not trustworthy at any level.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2021 10:17 PM

2021-05-05T22:17:05-04:00

With all of you “hard asses” running around, surprise there are still ppl running into buildings and waiting into cars to avoid the anthem being played at 1700hrs.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made May 6 at 2021 9:24 AM

2021-05-06T09:24:47-04:00

After the anthem, he or she, or whatever would not be on their knees but in a prone position, probally face down and unconscious but of course this wouldn't happen in the new "snowflake era".

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made May 6 at 2021 9:36 AM

2021-05-06T09:36:08-04:00

First of all, I only get on my kneels for my GOD and my wife. To answer the question, after the anthem and carry on was sounded, the offender would find his, her, or whatevers face down on their stomach, maybe unconscious. Of course this is only wishful thinking in the new WOK, SNOWFLAKE era. That has the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, and other bad "guys" just laughing. For real, the person would be counseled and if the first offense would be required to attend colors, morning and evening for 30 days in dress, class whatever uniform.

Response by MSG Harvey Kane made May 6 at 2021 3:09 PM

2021-05-06T15:09:05-04:00

There was no national anthem until 1931! How did they start sporting events prior to then? Seems the only time you hear the national anthem is at sporting events!

Response by SSgt Daniel Batista made May 6 at 2021 5:06 PM

2021-05-06T17:06:34-04:00

We all need to remember our oath to defend and protect the constitution of the United States. Everyone ,especially out of uniform has a right under the 1st ammendment to express himself.Being in uniform is another story because that uniform represents a military organization. Out of uniform that person is just representing himself and his values as long as it does not conflict with local and federal laws.

Response by April Navedo made May 6 at 2021 9:13 PM

2021-05-06T21:13:41-04:00

With everything thats going on in the world today I would tell you to be understanding. Maybe pull the soldier to the side and ask him why he's kneeling during the National Anthem?

Response by SFC Drew Herbert made May 9 at 2021 8:39 AM

2021-05-09T08:39:28-04:00

As a former Airborne Ranger there are only 4 times I would expect a soldier to show respect to our colors. In uniform, out of uniform, on duty & off duty. They represent America 24/7/365. Anyone who wears the uniform of any branch of service who doesn't show the required respect during the Anthem should strongly consider leaving their branch.

Response by SSG Robert Eshbaugh made May 9 at 2021 4:19 PM

2021-05-09T16:19:11-04:00

In or out of uniform while still enlisted or under commission while conducting themselves in this manner is in fact subject to punitive articles of UCMJ. After your enlistment or resignation / retirement of commission is another matter, although there is a wide range of actions that could well fall into scope and preview for actions outside of military. This could play out in a rather interesting manner on forms such as form 4473 when making a firearms purchase as you attest on 21b about the above under penalties of perjury should you actually fall under previous actions as well as 21J as debatable renouncing said citizenship. Better get a good lawyer if they decide to slam you with this fun one right here shock troop.

Response by SFC Dwight Beaver made May 9 at 2021 8:04 PM

2021-05-09T20:04:41-04:00

I'm just happy im not in today's military.. I served with 72-94 andvthe problems ofvtoday didnt exist

Response by FN Mike McCormack made May 10 at 2021 5:30 PM

2021-05-10T17:30:19-04:00

Boot to the head! https://youtu.be/Z8VD4JXUozM

The Frantics - Boot to the Head - 16. Ti Kwan Leep

Response by Cpl Douglas Kahler made May 11 at 2021 6:24 AM

2021-05-11T06:24:39-04:00

I’d refer them to their CO and let him handle weather of not they want to court martial them. There is no place in the military fof such disrespect to our flag and our nation!

Response by SSG Thomas Garrett made May 11 at 2021 11:31 AM

2021-05-11T11:31:17-04:00

Kneeling during the national anthem isn't disrespectful as long as a solemnity is being observed. I have more issues with people laughing, making noises, or other types of horseplaying.

Response by LTC Karen McKay made May 11 at 2021 9:31 PM

2021-05-11T21:31:36-04:00

Article 15 followed by discharge--general if not dishonorable.

Response by PO3 Mel Thompson made May 11 at 2021 9:56 PM

2021-05-11T21:56:35-04:00

They don't belong in the military.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made May 12 at 2021 8:07 AM

2021-05-12T08:07:48-04:00

THERE IS "NOTHING" TO HANDLE, THIS STILL AMERICA WHERE YOU CAN "WORSHIP" FREELY. THEY ARE NOT "YELLING FIRE IN A CROWDED ROOM", JUST SIMPLY EXERCISING THEIR "RIGHT" TO WORSHIP. IT IS NOT "DISHONORING" THE FLAG, IT IS ABOUT THE "UNFAIR" ACTIONS OF "SOME" MISUSING THE FLAG.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2021 9:25 AM

2021-05-12T09:25:01-04:00

Nothing. I certainly wouldn’t have a hissy-fit like half of the ppl posting on here. If he gets caught on camera or something like that then he’ll be dealt with. If he isn’t caught then it couldn’t matter less. You certainly wouldn’t be doing anything amazing for your country by alerting his command team. You could tell him to knock it off but realistically you’d just look like the idiot as he’s clearly kneeling for a reason to begin with.

Response by SPC Andrew Casler made May 13 at 2021 7:07 AM

2021-05-13T07:07:10-04:00

Ignore the POS. Not worth anybody's time.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2021 8:32 PM

2021-05-13T20:32:18-04:00

I admit, that I would become supremely unglued. No Soldier, in uniform or out of uniform who takes a knee during the playing of the National Anthem will get a free pass from me. I will immediately confront that service member and will use expletives in the process. Then, I will ensure that their chain of command is notified if outside of mine. I have zero tolerance for this.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made May 14 at 2021 3:46 PM

2021-05-14T15:46:48-04:00

If I knew it was one of my soldier's I would wait until we got back to the unit. The rest is history.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made May 14 at 2021 5:21 PM

2021-05-14T17:21:54-04:00

I don't think I'd handle it very well, to be honest. If said troop is in civilian clothes, off duty, and not identifiable as a service member, then it's his/her business, but I'm still going to be pissed, and they will regret playing social justice warrior. If they are in uniform, right after I lose my mind, they will be referred for Article 15 at a minimum for violating regulations regarding prohibition of political actions while in uniform.

Response by SPC Richard McQuagge made May 15 at 2021 7:06 PM

2021-05-15T19:06:32-04:00

Went I was in the army I was to same as I was on duty and I was on leave.

Response by SGT Michael Van Geertruy made May 18 at 2021 1:24 PM

2021-05-18T13:24:57-04:00

I would make them do pushups, but as a Drill Sergeant, that's kind of my go-to for any issue. you're late to formation? Pushups Your uniform is janky? Pushups. Your cat died? Pushups. To a person with a hammer, everything is a nail. Thankfully UCMJ and the Supreme Court don't feel the same way about free speech.

Now then, could you drop and give me 1 soldier?

Response by SSG Russell Busicchia made May 20 at 2021 11:37 AM

2021-05-20T11:37:45-04:00

I'd first identify him/her as a service member and myself as a retired NCO. If off duty and off-post I would explain that this action disrespect fallen brothers and sisters. I would then remind him/her not to do do so in uniform, on base, or anywhere where he/she is identified as a member of the Armed Forces. Don't forget that this is an Offense under the UCMJ and whether on duty or off duty can be prosecuted if the chain-of-command desires to do so.

Response by SSgt Luke Hunt made May 21 at 2021 10:10 AM

2021-05-21T10:10:36-04:00

in civilian clothes, there is nothing you really can do except remind the individual that they took an oath to defend the flag and the USA. In uniform is a different story as once that Uniform is on, they represent the military and should show it.

Response by MAJ Judd Clemens made May 24 at 2021 6:41 PM

2021-05-24T18:41:48-04:00

One of our PFC's wasn't kneeling, but he gave the finger toward the flag and ducked into a building during Retreat. A CWO2 saw him and bodily threw him into my office (I was XO). The CO asked for my recommendation and I suggested taking all of his rank and as much money as possible and give hime to me for 21 days. So, besides getting busted and fined, he stood outside my window for 21 days standing Retreat.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2021 5:30 AM

2021-05-27T05:30:32-04:00

Some of you guys commenting are really ridiculous and you are exposing yourself. It is true that a soldier cannot make or participate in any political demonstrations. This should be a conversation, first to see if he or she understands what they are doing and second to make sure everything is alright. These are crazy times and you guy’s commenting should be careful how you word your comments because it comes off as racist. Now some of you are no longer serving and some of you are retired but for us who still serve this is the reason that we are having to do this extremist training now because we have racist use the flag of patriotism as a cover. We have racist in our ranks and I wouldn’t be surprised if the thread was created to find some more of them. I wonder if the comments would be the same for the service members that participated to the capital insurrection

Response by PO3 John King made Jun 22 at 2021 6:27 PM

2021-06-22T18:27:38-04:00

Out of uniform it's free speech. It's what we fought for.

Response by SGM Michael Taylor made Jun 23 at 2021 2:36 AM

2021-06-23T02:36:30-04:00

Out of uniform or not, a Soldier represents his unit, the Army, and the United States 24/7. I would recommend UCMJ.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2021 1:15 PM

2021-06-23T13:15:22-04:00

Soldiers are defined by duty in my opinion. Once you're out you can make whatever statement you want, but while in it is dereliction to blatantly ignore your duty as a soldier

AR 600-25 specifically states that a salute will be rendered and you absolutely cannot do that while kneeling.

Response by PO2 Jim Anthony made Jun 23 at 2021 4:10 PM

2021-06-23T16:10:03-04:00

I was raised as a Catholic as a child. I remember genuflecting in a church before entering a pew, then pulling down the kneeler for some extended time kneeling on and off through the mass. That was considered respect to the higher power. Is the flag considered higher than that power?

Response by CW3 Ed Heick made Jun 23 at 2021 9:17 PM

2021-06-23T21:17:28-04:00

The individual would be removed for disrespect and advised that as a military matter you are still under the UCMJ and required to respect and STAND for the US flag and what it stands for. The military is a neutral part of the US Government, and should not be involved in the WOKE BS. As someone who has been in involved with the military, we have a major problem with the leadership who are playing politics and not dealing with reality, You disrespect the flag, you need to find another job, after your Article 15 ,

Response by SGM Michael Taylor made Jun 23 at 2021 9:45 PM

2021-06-23T21:45:48-04:00

This is why the Marines are always looking for a few good men.

Response by SGT Stephen Jaffe made Jun 24 at 2021 2:31 PM

2021-06-24T14:31:37-04:00

I would notify his platoon or company commander. As an enlisted person, you would have to the offending troop's 1st Sgt. That is really all you can do.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jun 24 at 2021 4:35 PM

2021-06-24T16:35:23-04:00

Most of us have the kind of cellphones that take pictures. Most of them can take movies. When you see it then you should record it. If you can identify the individual then go to the individual's unit. You would be doing that person a kindness by letting them know beforehand, otherwise such a person has taken a risk to degrade themselves, their Services and their uniforms, and their country all on baseless accusations.

The WORST thing you could do to this person is to politely, civilly, (and even in a friendly manner) inquire this person's unit. That's all you need to know. Take your photographic evidence (the movies are better, they show the action vice your word on the matter). Seek out the Shirt or the CO (depending on if this person is commissioned or not). Ask the Shirt or CO if they know the individual, and/or acknowledge that the individual is part of their unit. If Shirt or CO responds affirmatively, present photographic (movie is better) evidence, and ask if that represents the standards of the unit. No accusations. No finger pointing. No name calling. That person's action is that that unit's responsibility. It's the unit's responsibility to deal with the individual's actions.

In uniform or not, the unit will determine what is appropriate. If the unit lets it slide, it's on the unit. By presenting objective evidence and acting in a professional manner, you have done all you can.

For those of you who talk about boots up the rectum far enough to need surgery, I am with you. It's a nice image and I certainly would like a piece of that action. But, alas, it needs to stay in the mind. Remember the definition of stress; It is the Confusion Created When One's Mind Overrides The Body's Desire To Beat Or Choke The Living Shit Out Of Some Asshole Who Desperately Needs It.

Response by PO3 D Ingrassia made Jun 25 at 2021 10:36 AM

2021-06-25T10:36:48-04:00

Tarred and feathered

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2021 1:26 AM

2021-06-27T01:26:40-04:00

God bless you all times

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2021 1:30 AM

2021-06-27T01:30:15-04:00

Good luck

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2021 1:32 AM

2021-06-27T01:32:13-04:00

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2021 1:33 AM

2021-06-27T01:33:37-04:00

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Jun 27 at 2021 12:28 PM

2021-06-27T12:28:59-04:00

Recommend the POS for a discharge.

Response by Cpl Sammy Garbow made Jun 27 at 2021 9:38 PM

2021-06-27T21:38:18-04:00

Kick him in the nuts !!

Response by SPC Russell Carroll made Jun 27 at 2021 11:38 PM

2021-06-27T23:38:54-04:00

Simple.. Treasonous.

Response by SGT Kenneth Barr made Jun 29 at 2021 2:16 AM

2021-06-29T02:16:53-04:00

If in uniform I would immediately order the kneeling soldiers to attention & present arms. After the conclusion of the anthem there would be a reckoning since regulations are very specific& disciplinary action would be in order.

Response by SSG Eric Eck made Jun 30 at 2021 6:01 AM

2021-06-30T06:01:02-04:00

That soldier swore an oath while enlisting, to kneel during our National Anthem contradicts that oath. Handle the situation accordingly.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Jul 2 at 2021 12:45 PM

2021-07-02T12:45:44-04:00

My time (1964-1977) was different but back then the corrective action would be my size 12's in their butts. Which is probably mild compared to many of my contemporaries.
But I once kicked my.son in law out of my American Legion one night during my installation as post commander because he would not uncover during the pledge. He told me latet it was because he was so bald. Told him I didn't care and to not come back till he was ready to take off his hat.

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Jul 7 at 2021 10:38 AM

2021-07-07T10:38:53-04:00

Okay. Well if it was one of my soldiers out of uniform I would have a one way conversation. If it was not my soldier I would video tape it and send it to the base CSM. With social media being the way it is I imagine it is going to wind up on someone’s social media. I know that at my last duty station that the post CSM would get posts like that on a regular biases so a heads up would only be polite. This normally led to the video being sent out to all CSM on post with the question of who’s soldier is this? When the soldier was identified he or she with their first line supervisor reported to post HQ. Hence why if it was my soldier it would have been a one way conversation.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2021 5:32 PM

2021-07-13T17:32:29-04:00

It is the LAW to render a salute if you are an individual serving in the United States Military and are in uniform. If you're out of uniform and or a veteran the same applies to you to render appropriate respect to the national item with one hand on your chest or in the position of attention. There's no choice for knelling (36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem).
So, I do stand firmly with MAJ John Bell that if you're in civilian attire and have nothing to make an individual think you're a service member you go on and do you. OR I will follow up with an on-the -spot correction and or by way of your chain of support.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Jul 24 at 2021 11:40 PM

2021-07-24T23:40:49-04:00

Not really sure, but it would probably include a statement of "get your bitch as** up" of some variation.

Response by Amn Reggie Keene made Jul 25 at 2021 5:27 PM

2021-07-25T17:27:28-04:00

It would be time for a dishonable discharge

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Jul 26 at 2021 6:51 AM

2021-07-26T06:51:13-04:00

A nose should be placed around his neck and jerked very hard to help him to his feet. While jerking on the nose two others should be trying for a hundred yard field goal.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Jul 26 at 2021 12:37 PM

2021-07-26T12:37:32-04:00

Hope he or she is praying to his, her, it's GOD because on the last note of the anthem and carry on sounded (USN/USMC) the offender would be closer to hell than heaven being stomped into the ground. Seriously the beat dow would depend on the number of wok individuals with phone cams. Praise in public and criticize in private. Get my meaning people.

Response by CW3 Joseph Lawrence made Jul 26 at 2021 5:46 PM

2021-07-26T17:46:08-04:00

As an officer I would immediately call him/her to attention and if he/she failed to obey that order, then a Court Martial would be the next step. Article 15 is to lenient for someone like that, plus I would make sure that every soldier in hisher unit was aware of his/her actions. I wouldn't want to have my life depending on someone who can't respect the country he/she is in

Response by CPL Larry Bezemer made Jul 26 at 2021 10:35 PM

2021-07-26T22:35:19-04:00

Beat the crap out of him at night with a pillowcase and oranges!

Response by PO2 Kenneth Milstein made Jul 27 at 2021 2:59 PM

2021-07-27T14:59:56-04:00

If I knew the person and frequently interacted with this person I would cease being friends with him or her and tell them why.

Response by PFC Patrick Gleason made Jul 27 at 2021 7:49 PM

2021-07-27T19:49:23-04:00

Regardless of my own views, when you are "wearing the bag" and serving our nation, you follow the rules that are set. And that means standing at attention, making the proper motions, etc.

Free Speech, as already stated, is constrained while in uniform. That is the way that it has to be. No matter what you may think and feel.

If it is that much of an issue, then you need to speak to your chain of command about your continued service.

Response by PO3 Michael Moat made Jul 28 at 2021 10:17 AM

2021-07-28T10:17:40-04:00

Wouldn't matter if they were on or off duty, I would identify them and take it to my C.O. When you join the military you swear a oath to uphold the Constitution and to follow the orders of the officers above us and the Commander in Chief. Once you sign your name on the dotted line of your enlistment papers you give up certain rights and liberty's. Unfortunately we now have what I call the entitled generation who think they are entitled to do what ever they want and the heck with everyone else. We need to show them that when they joined, all that they are entitled to is what the service says they are entitled to. I severed in two different branches of the service and hold my head high and still hold to my oath service, I would probably remind them of that oath and that no one forced them to join.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2021 12:43 PM

2021-07-28T12:43:21-04:00

Article 15 "Conduct unbecoming" and I would put his line leader on report, and counseling statements. You think I am unfair? it will not happen again.

Response by SSgt Kathy (Hastings) Stuthers made Jul 28 at 2021 2:47 PM

2021-07-28T14:47:07-04:00

It is every American's Constitutional Right to peacefully protest. However, the Uniform Code of Military Justice prohibits "participating" in protests while in uniform.
Many great Americans have given everything, including their life, to uphold the freedoms ensured by the Constitution of the United States. We must not place our personal beliefs/bias above the rights and privileges bestowed upon every American granted and secured by the Constitution.

https://militarybenefits.info/can-military-members-protest/

Can Military Members Protest?

Most, if not all the rules pertaining to these questions address the issue of attending an event, rally or protest, etc., versus participating in one.

Response by SPC Dan R made Jul 29 at 2021 12:46 PM

2021-07-29T12:46:46-04:00

Is it explicitly stated in any Army Regulation that it is not allowed? If we are willing to die for our country, we should be allowed to peacefully protest against injustice that it is happening in our country if we feel that way. Grow a brain, serving is the apex of patriotism, do not allow some political shitbag who never served to divide us?

Response by SP5 Ed Schratwieser made Jul 29 at 2021 2:41 PM

2021-07-29T14:41:09-04:00

If he/she is in uniform, they will have their unit insignia on their uniform. That alone will tell you what unit they are in.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Jul 29 at 2021 11:57 PM

2021-07-29T23:57:49-04:00

In uniform, there is only one proper way to acknowledge the Anthem or Pledge.
Out of uniform it's none of mine or anyone else's business. They are allowed to express whatever beliefs or even political attitudes, and it is none of my business. As long as they are not taking part in violent activities, or showing disrespect for the flag. Kneeling is NOT showing disrespect.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2021 11:07 AM

2021-07-30T11:07:08-04:00

If theres nothing identifying him, I'd let it slide.

it's not my place to comment on the political ideals or opinions of the soldiers around or beneath me and how they choose to show it, even though i may not agree with it, is none of my business. If he was doing something to identify himself as a member of the military I would get his units information off of him and let his PAO, commander, and NCOIC know.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Jul 30 at 2021 8:58 PM

2021-07-30T20:58:39-04:00

I hope that soldier is giving thanks or praying

Response by Amn Joseph H. made Jul 31 at 2021 6:53 AM

2021-07-31T06:53:54-04:00

The oath determines our behavior while on duty in uniform. We follow a routine collective recognition on our rally point, the flag. Of course it has changed many times, and when it touch's ground it had to be burned. That time has passed, the good old boys wear the flag on thire asses in public drunk, use it to poke windows out and spear capital police! Weird thire both gop crackhead fundamentalist's who have always despised the US Constitution! And unbelievably have the unmitigated audacity to peddle these petty civilian difference of opinion to us veterans, the only americans who must not ever join the rabble!! While this might be my last statement here I reject most americans side with the January 6th act of treason group!! "If I am wrong, may I die a painful death"! But you will not be able to say Joe did not tell you "our homegrown traitors are trying to splinter us up, for piecemeal destruction". Using childlike bullshit issues to divide our millions of fellow citizens into another civil war! Be it abortion, the flag, women in combat! All have been dealt with legally. "We serve", so all the different voices can be heard and protected. While trainings disciple and good order stiffen our chosen professional bond. This secular democracy has gone through much, and yet treatment for all is not equal. As veterans we have as younger folks a wider, more complex view moving around more then civilians, constantly living under different laws, but only one oath. E Pluribus Unum constructed this government to function under a fixed law, one only altered 7 times since the Revolution! Each generation adding a new group to the mass legally. Veterans are another 1%, certainly not rich, but a scintilla of each generations population. So again I remind you really 20 million veterans are the only group with the oath that can be trusted to stay the course, influence reason, laugh down the "World Enders" and help all move toward an adult problem, getting infrastructure ready for worsening weather from radical climate change in all 50 states.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 31 at 2021 9:38 AM

2021-07-31T09:38:46-04:00

When it was over I would call him aside and ask him why. I would accept his answer and make sure that he was out of sight for the National Anthem

Response by SGT Scott Adie made Jul 31 at 2021 2:24 PM

2021-07-31T14:24:19-04:00

It would depend on my mood that particular day. Some days I'd turn and walk away in disgust and on others, a rifle butt up along side the head would seem a fitting tribute to such shameful behavior. The right thing to do is entirely objective in my opinion

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jul 31 at 2021 3:00 PM

2021-07-31T15:00:57-04:00

Instead of answering this question I wanna ask FaceTime a different one what would you do if you saw one of your soldiers talking on the phone or eating a hotdog for the national anthem is played? How about not standing up when the flag passes in front of you him her during the parade I think these things are very disrespectful and addition they have no reason other than the person is lazy. At least the guy with the knee is trying to change something that he or she thinks is wrong

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Jul 31 at 2021 3:47 PM

2021-07-31T15:47:09-04:00

I would immediately but him/her on report.

Response by SrA Manny Diaz made Aug 1 at 2021 4:57 AM

2021-08-01T04:57:58-04:00

Report them and confront.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Aug 1 at 2021 9:38 AM

2021-08-01T09:38:40-04:00

If you wait long enough some military member is going to do it. You can find out the answer. Me, why are they in uniform if they don't like the job?

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Aug 1 at 2021 4:03 PM

2021-08-01T16:03:38-04:00

A lot of threats, but no real solutions. The big question is what are you going to charge the person with. "Stupidity" is in the UCMJ. I have to agree with one of the other commenters that this appears to be a bait question. It may not have been originally, but on this site anything is possible after the question is released. Some people will "clue in" on one or two words and lose their minds.

Response by SSG Charlie Carlson made Aug 1 at 2021 10:08 PM

2021-08-01T22:08:46-04:00

Soldiers stick out in civilian life (especially male personnel). With that said, I would ask said soldier for an ID (after ID'ing myself). Whether he is in uniform or not he is still under the UCMJ and under contract with the US Army or whatever branch he is in. I would inform him of that fact and tell him to render the proper respect.

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Aug 1 at 2021 10:36 PM

2021-08-01T22:36:01-04:00

As a veteran in a wheel chair...I'd probably run over them. If you have that level of disdain for our country you don't belong in our military.

Response by SGT Robert Jenkins made Aug 6 at 2021 4:32 PM

2021-08-06T16:32:38-04:00

If you ask me that; I'd ignore your ignorance. If you kept it up; I'd kick your ass!!!

Response by PO2 Chad Thompson-Smith made Aug 21 at 2021 5:43 PM

2021-08-21T17:43:12-04:00

Has this happened very often, my guess is it’s never happened and it’s there are other things to worry about.

Response by Cheryl Bowman made Aug 29 at 2021 2:08 PM

2021-08-29T14:08:09-04:00

Kneeling for the National Anthem is disrespectful and a disgrace. Not in the military, but my late husband was a WO2 in Vietnam. When he went through Basic and OCS, they didn't put up with this woke shit. The military is not supposed to be political. Those that kneel should be dishonorably discharged. Bet NO OTHER country's military allows such disrespect. We need to stop this shitty woke culture from permeating our great military.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2021 7:37 PM

2021-08-29T19:37:51-04:00

As an officer, I would do my utmost to relieve the individual of his moral conflict. If he or she could not respect the flag, a living symbol of the greatest nation on Earth, he or she does not deserve the privilege and honor of serving it.

Response by SrA Joshua Pickering made Aug 30 at 2021 8:36 AM

2021-08-30T08:36:42-04:00

Punch them in the fu*cking face and ask them why they are such a piece of shit. Tell them if they don't like it in America get out

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Aug 30 at 2021 9:12 AM

2021-08-30T09:12:02-04:00

Remove him from the formation. In the future there needs to be some other activity he is more suited for

Response by SSG Jacob Wiley made Aug 30 at 2021 9:32 AM

2021-08-30T09:32:41-04:00

Thought we were always bound by UCMJ? Seeing someone kneeling, having personal knowledge that they are a service member is prejudicial to good order and discipline - Article 134 all day long.

I’m glad I’m out. I cannot stand the lack of pride and patriotism, or the allowance of this shittery.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Aug 30 at 2021 9:46 AM

2021-08-30T09:46:42-04:00

"Stand up, now is not the time to protest. The only authorized position for you right now, is the position of attention. Now get up and face the flag pole, or the music."
If they don't, wait until the music is over, start chewing. Name, Unit, "Current" rank/grade.

Response by PO3 Andrew Kelly made Aug 30 at 2021 10:53 PM

2021-08-30T22:53:14-04:00

Unless things have changed drastically since my service there is a Standing Order in every command prescribing proper rending of honors during the National anthem.
Nowhere in those orders does it allow for kneeling or any other form of political or personal expression while in the uniform of our country or in its service.
There is not a lot of leeway on this issue and the severity of punishment for this behavior is in the hands of the CO. I think it matters how obvious the individual is as being a service member while in civies but in my experience in most cases we tend to stand out in a crowd. Back when I was in it did not matter if you were in uniform or not if you were identified at an anti-nuke protest so i do not see too many officers taking this behavior lightly.
I can remember a certain airman getting ripped pretty good for trying to get somewhere while colors was called one evening. We wear the uniform and we agree to follow the rules that come with it as part of that responsibility. They teach that almost from the beginning at boot and one would think that would stick pretty well.

Response by SFC Dwight Beaver made Aug 31 at 2021 8:36 AM

2021-08-31T08:36:16-04:00

You're a soldier 24/7. Being in civilian cloths is irrelevant. If you know he's a soldiers especially
your own then you're as guilty as he is if you do nothing about it.. Most definitely the chain of command would become aware of it the next work day.....

Response by MSgt John Schoenfeld made Aug 31 at 2021 10:57 AM

2021-08-31T10:57:25-04:00

I’d pray for their lost soul. Then I’d make a note of who they are because I may come across them when the near inevitable civil war kicks off.

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Aug 31 at 2021 6:24 PM

2021-08-31T18:24:41-04:00

Code Red! Just kidding, I wouldn't do anything I would just pass on some good intel about the commie in our unit.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2021 8:22 PM

2021-08-31T20:22:43-04:00

It depends on the situation whether they are active or reserve component. If they are in uniform they will and must render proper honors. If they are not and in civilian dress and off post they have a constitutional right to do what they want.

Kneeling during the National Anthem is not a specific crime not even in the military although it could violate article 134 UCMJ which states Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special, or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

That being said the US Military is NOT a political organization nor should there be any mistake within the ranks that it is. We swear an oath to the Constitution...no one else. And politics should NEVER be a barrier to good order in discipline. Yet I find it disturbing that politics of all kinds has insinuated itself into military life both on and off post. So this political activity is clearly in violation of the oath office all military personnel take. Most disturbing is the appearance of Alt-Right White Supremacist/Nationalist racist and fascist groups within the military. There is also report of criminal gang members in this mix as well. The US military cannot tolerate this situation. Any military member found to be a member of any extreme right or left political group or criminal gang should be immediately removed from service. Back in the 50s and 60s we would not tolerate these people in the ranks for one moment. In the 60s we even got rid of flag officers who promoted ultra right white supremacist/nationalist racist and fascist ideologies. We keep these people around at our peril.

I would not report his activity to anyone unless it was criminal in nature. But I will remind them of their duty to uphold their oath and remain apolitical while in uniform and on duty. On active service it is not authorized to take part in ANY political activity whether on post or off post. Even on Reserve duty political activity must be conducted without the member involving military service, wearing uniforms etc.

Now I understand the pressure some of our minority service members are under. I know how openly racist activity off post by authorities off post has victimized some our members. Even NCOs and Officers have not been immune and some of our members have been murdered, shot or assaulted by corrupt/racist police officials off post. And a lot of those incidents have been the cause particular pain and sorrow to our families especially when it involves those who have served multi combat tours in OIF/OEF etc.

There have been racist and other prejudice motivated incidents on post as well and there must be zero tolerance for any service member of any rank bullying, harassing or plotting against another service member for any reason including Racial, religious, orientation or gender prejudices cannot be tolerated in any way shape or form and must be ruthlessly stamped out the moment a member is victimized with UCMJ action against those responsible and heavy jail sentences and dishonorable discharges for those victimize their fellow members. Prejudice does not belong in the US Military!

But even in the highly charged political environment we find ourselves in we must stand like a rock against any political activity within the ranks on duty. We are an apolitical organization period and we must remain that way. Our service member have right to vote. But must remain absolutely neutral where politics is concerned in uniform and on off duty while on active service and limited on reserve component service.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2021 10:42 PM

2021-08-31T22:42:29-04:00

Tbh why is this even a question?

Out of uniform with no way of being affiliated with the United States military? Drive on, you might not like it but the SM isn’t politicizing the military.

In uniform? You already know action needs to be taken whether it be UCJM, counseling or corrective training.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Sep 1 at 2021 6:42 PM

2021-09-01T18:42:40-04:00

Out of uniform I have no way of knowing that person is in the military so I mind my business. If it is one of my soldiers I let them know that I saw them and we'll talk again on duty in uniform. In uniform, I'd try to get their identifying information and report them up the chain. If they don't want to provide it I wouldn't make it a spectacle for public consumption but I'd let them know what a disgrace to the uniform they were.

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Sep 2 at 2021 5:39 AM

2021-09-02T05:39:21-04:00

Medal of Honor winners gave Kaepernick the advice that the highest respect he could show during the anthem was to kneel in respect

we kneel out of respect: there is nothing more disrespectful to the anthem than racism, so kneeling shows respect for the very meaning of our anthem, for which 400 thousand americans gave their lives 1860-1865 to remove the stain, the shame, the sin, the crime, the moral depravity of racism, slavery, genocide from our union of the people {SCOTUS 1819 McCulloch v Maryland ruled unanimously that the USA is the union of the people, governed by the people, solely for the sake of the people]

In the 1930s a commission was set up in Nuremburg to study USA racism and apply its race laws to Germany, the Nuremburg race laws modelled on USA race law. Japan studied UAA racism and incorporated it into its laws in the 1890s.

in 1942-1945, 400 thousand americans again gave their lives to prevent that same Confederate system of denial of humanity, that shame, that stain, that crime that americans by the hundreds of thousands had died to deny, died to cleanse us from it. The USA created thewhole framework of international laws against racism after WWII, and executed officers and military for racism

So USA Medal of Honor awardees advised Kaepernick to kneel to show his reverence for our anthem/s meaning and those awardees are today proud of how respect is being shown by kneeling

https://www.mediaite.com/sports/ex-green-beret-who-advised-colin-kaepernick-to-kneel-during-anthem-believes-blackballed-qb-should-be-proud-of-how-it-expanded/ quote"Ex-Green Beret Who Advised Colin Kaepernick to Kneel During Anthem Believes Blackballed QB ‘Should be Proud of How it Expanded’"

After a military funeral, when the flag is folded to give it to the family of the fallen, we kneel. Knights, dames, lords and ladies kneel before monarch when invested with titles. to kneel shows respect.

When someone kneels on someone's kneck though that is murder. Denying the crime, the stain, the moral depravity of and the lie of racism is the lowest form of disrespect anyone can give to our anthem, our flag, and our union. There is no treason greater.

In New York, in the 1940s and 1950s, I remember our Tarrytown NY segregated bus. My Aunt Aida sat in the back. So I went and sat with her. The bus driver told me no, white boys sit up front. I refused. I have never since allowed anyone to call me white, or Aunt Aida black or any other color. It is a sin, before god, Literally a mortal sin: it kills. Even genetically the melanin color gene is the same exact gene. So, it's not even the gene that's different. Higher latitudes, lthere's less sun so you need to make more vitamin D, and lower lattitudes, adults need a lot less. Same gene. Humans are one family. Americans are the union of all the people.

that's where we show respect, to the face of every human we meet. and that's what hundreds of thousands of US Americans died for. That's what it says in the constitution.

an active duty member of serrvice follows the rules of military protocal. civilians are not military. Nate Boyer is an ex-Green Beret. And he took Kaepernick aside and said, hey brother, kneel and that will show your respect.

Ex-Green Beret Who Advised Colin Kaepernick to Kneel During Anthem Believes Blackballed QB ‘...

Colin Kaepernick was the first high-profile athlete to kneel during the national anthem. Five years later, thousands of athletes have joined the protest.

Response by TSgt Phillip Borja made Sep 2 at 2021 8:23 AM

2021-09-02T08:23:47-04:00

I think there is more obvious things that the military needs to worry about (outside of conflicts in different countries) other than a member kneeling. There are way worse things members are doing that are overlooked, or not questioned, or situated. How bout you old schoolers talk about something more serious. Suicide education for those people (SNCOs) that do not know how to talk to younger military members about suicide awareness. The old "shut up and color" isn't working anymore, and we all should work together to prevent those beside us from being the statistic. I would rather have someone kneel out of uniform, than someone being sexually assaulted or killing themself.

Response by SGT Daniel Petitt made Sep 2 at 2021 8:39 AM

2021-09-02T08:39:10-04:00

We’d have a long conversation about his commitment to his oath to defend the constitution & his commitment to service & country. If I was not satisfied with their comments begin disciplinary action.

Response by SGT Dave Hurlbrink made Sep 2 at 2021 12:22 PM

2021-09-02T12:22:28-04:00

INTENSE WALL TO WALL COUNSELING....but I'm an old school paratrooper and would break that f***ing snowflake in two...

Response by 1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel made Sep 3 at 2021 12:44 PM

2021-09-03T12:44:10-04:00

Simple: call him back to formation.

Response by AN Catherine Wray-Tully made Sep 3 at 2021 12:51 PM

2021-09-03T12:51:33-04:00

I would not give him a security clearance. Other than that as long as he wasn't in uniform, I have to let it pass.

Response by PO1 Charles Smith made Sep 4 at 2021 1:43 AM

2021-09-04T01:43:42-04:00

Any active duty person who did such would be in violation of the UCMJ. AS I did when I was in service I would discuss it with them first in private and TELL them there would not be a next time w/o consequences no matter what their rank was. If they did not see my point I would report them, even as a civilian now.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2021 6:52 PM

2021-09-04T18:52:58-04:00

Write a charge sheet

Response by SGT Nik Tropoulos made Sep 5 at 2021 5:53 PM

2021-09-05T17:53:08-04:00

Regardless in uniform or out of uniform, you are serving your country. If you have an issue with America to which it stands for and your oath then I would suggest you think about why you are serving. I’m cold war and enlisted for love of country and to serve. I continued to serve for over 30 years to the Government once I got out and served in austere locations under harms way along side the military. I respected everyone of them as they were serving this great nation. I would be surprised if anyone of them would of taken a knee during the national anthem. Only those looking for a hand out do that. To them, there is a plane leaving daily to a country of your choice if you don’t like this great nation. Times are tough now but we’ll survive.

Response by SP5 Ed McCoy made Sep 5 at 2021 7:02 PM

2021-09-05T19:02:16-04:00

Take him behind the shed n have a training party

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2021 10:44 PM

2021-09-05T22:44:53-04:00

No Never!

Response by SCPO Rick Hunter made Sep 6 at 2021 12:59 AM

2021-09-06T00:59:40-04:00

A similar situation happened to me many years ago at a Base Theatre. I was sitting behind a female Sailor. When our National Anthem began to play all but her came to our feet. I simply leaned over a bit and said, "Get on your damn feet. Show some respect." She did.

Response by PFC David Foster made Sep 6 at 2021 1:28 AM

2021-09-06T01:28:58-04:00

I wonder how it would turn out in court if the soldier argued 1st amendment rights. I see the arguments for both sides... The question is; do we lose our rights as a citizen when we put on the uniform. I don't think anybody is dumb enough to try it lol.... but it's an interesting question as when you "protest", you should have the backing of the military behind you as long as you are protesting peacefully.

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Sep 6 at 2021 2:49 AM

2021-09-06T02:49:04-04:00

On base Name rank and unit write it up and turn it in to his units 1stsgt . Off base and not in uniform I am not sure i would do anything other then give that person my opinion of what they just did and walk away

Response by SFC Linda Clipp made Sep 6 at 2021 3:14 AM

2021-09-06T03:14:50-04:00

They'd commence to having a very bad day...nay, days, and days, and days...

Response by CW2 Michael Bodnar made Sep 6 at 2021 4:10 AM

2021-09-06T04:10:56-04:00

Army Regulation 600–25 states the following:

Appendix B
Courtesies Rendered by Individuals During Various Ceremonies and Public Events (On and Off Post) - pages 16 & 17

2. Military personnel in uniform not in formation (with or without headgear).
At the first note of music: If outdoors, render hand salute; if indoors, stand at attention.
Hold this position until the last note of music has been played.

3. All personnel wearing civilian clothes (military and civilian) (includes sports attire with
headgear)
At the first note of music: If outdoors or indoors hold headgear over the left shoulder
with the right hand over the heart. Hold this position until the last note of music has been played.

There it is in black and white. If they do not follow Army regulations, then either a negative counseling statement or other charges per their commander's discretion.

Response by SPC John Donovan made Sep 7 at 2021 7:36 PM

2021-09-07T19:36:05-04:00

That would really piss me off to the point I'd say something to them even if it started a fight.

Response by SFC James Welch made Sep 7 at 2021 10:34 PM

2021-09-07T22:34:04-04:00

I would convince him of his error in judgment!0

Response by LT Steven Geertman made Sep 8 at 2021 12:26 AM

2021-09-08T00:26:28-04:00

Perhaps mention that Federal law mandates that active duty military and veterans must stand at attention with their left hand over their heart. Last I checked, kneeling does not meet said mandate.

Response by Sgt Garrick Dew made Sep 15 at 2021 5:01 PM

2021-09-15T17:01:21-04:00

I would let it go. We may all be fighting for freedoms but we dont all have the same freedoms.
until we do the national anthem is full of hallow words.

Response by Sgt Garrick Dew made Sep 15 at 2021 5:08 PM

2021-09-15T17:08:35-04:00

Depends, has the soldier or airmen enjoyed or his family enjoyed equal rights? I was called nigger at Lowery AFB in aug 90. I walked my girl to CQ and went back to 5 guys to correct the issue . They declined. SSgt Bessimer from LA. at George AFB called me a monkey boy. He never did it again. Until a blk or brown can serve and be guaranteed respect the anthem is not worth a damn...#$%%@.

Response by CPO Matthew Bigelow made Sep 16 at 2021 2:27 PM

2021-09-16T14:27:42-04:00

~1638854:SFC Danielle Birtha]
(Seems as though you have put me on ignore)
The UCMJ does not command us to stand at attention during the raising, lowering or parading of the the Colors, nor for the playing of the national anthem; various regulations do that. The UCMJ lays out legal disciplinary and punitive procedures should one violate those various regulations and orders. As one who has attained to the rank of SFC, you should know this.

Response by PFC Joseph Russo made Sep 22 at 2021 3:02 PM

2021-09-22T15:02:58-04:00

In uniform, Knoch the A-HOLE out for disrespecting my Flag, Country, and those who served before them. Then I would find out their identity, unit, SNCO, and let them know how that so called Servicemen or women acted during the National Anthon. If they have a problem with my country the get out of my military, and leave my country.

Response by PO3 Mike Hayden made Oct 14 at 2021 12:29 PM

2021-10-14T12:29:32-04:00

In uniform it is a crime end of story. Out of uniform I would report it to senior personnel and they can evaluate. Either way I would not want them in my unit. We are far from perfect in this country, but I am 7th generation military service. If you sign and swear then you disrespect you knew what you were doing

Response by Sgt Randy Morley made Oct 27 at 2021 3:58 AM

2021-10-27T03:58:18-04:00

Follow me: If you take an oath, assume a position, make a promise, are you not duty or honor bound to be that person you ascribed yourself to be, 24/7? Let me relate this in an analogy, When I gave my life to Christ and was "Born Again", that is 24/7, I am not a Sunday go to meeting Christian. If you raise your hand and swear to defend against all enemies foreign or domestic, isnt that 24/7, didnt you ascribe yourself to be that person regardless? Or are you a hypocrite? Can you really be trusted if your actions talk you out of both sides of your mouth? And dont give me any of that social injustice , disrespect for minorities crap. Are you real or not?

Response by LTJG David Fisher made Nov 19 at 2021 9:42 AM

2021-11-19T09:42:12-05:00

I'd mind my own business.

Response by SFC Thomas Howes made Nov 19 at 2021 2:27 PM

2021-11-19T14:27:41-05:00

Well if it was one of my own soldiers weather they are in uniform or not or a soldier I new I approach them and tell them we have a issue here but I am old school most of you are younger then me. Then we go to the old man and top and see what happens then.

Response by SFC Regina Boyd made Nov 19 at 2021 2:33 PM

2021-11-19T14:33:32-05:00

We all enlisted to protect the Constitution, right? Or am I missing something? The question is ambiguous, foe one. How do I know if this person is in the military? Is he/she in uniform? Where is it taking place? On base? Off base? Most importantly, why do I care? Is the United States still a federal republic? After finding Rittenhouse not guilty for murdering protestors, hell, what's the point?

Response by MSgt Thomas O'Rourke made Nov 19 at 2021 3:44 PM

2021-11-19T15:44:36-05:00

Article 15 the first time and bad conduct discharge the second time.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Nov 19 at 2021 7:24 PM

2021-11-19T19:24:48-05:00

I am assuming that kicking the piece of excrement's teeth down his / her throat is going to be an unacceptable answer. Therefore I would charge them with articles 88, 90,92,98,117 and 134. Then I would make sure they were escorted "Safe;y" to the brig. I sure wouldn't want them to trip, stumble, or fall in such a way as to hurt themselves.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Nov 19 at 2021 10:52 PM

2021-11-19T22:52:24-05:00

I grew up poor and had to work hard to get where I was at. I also worked along side many other people of other cultures and they had no problem respecting the flag. All of a sudden because of one football player, who made more money than most of the people in my town put together growing up, They decide that it is okay to show disrespect by kneeling in front of the flag. I do not care if that person is in the military or a civilian. They are still showing disrespect. That flag means something to me and to alot of others who have fought in wars.

Response by PO3 Tarb Myers made Nov 20 at 2021 11:02 PM

2021-11-20T23:02:14-05:00

Relax, it's probably that sex change operation needing physical therapy. They probably need to stretch out that brand new vagina you let them have. Who knows, maybe Trump grabbed it and it slammed
shut in pain... You built this new military now live with it! Ya'll talk big, but you know you want to make a little bronze-pink flower medal for their chest so they can feel special. Or maybe you want them to be special, so you feel special?

Most of you praise the fat orange toad who tried to destroy democracy and stage a coup, rebellion, but wish to crucify the peaceful soul who simply takes a knee to protest the destruction of democracy and immoral injustice? You are the same kind of people who sent hemlock to murder Socrates for the same. You can’t defend the constitution by protecting the parts you like for self, while your hypocrisy blindly loses all.
May I suggest you quote Thomas Jefferson vs Trump? Nary a drop of blood spilled on the floor of our nation as its destruction comes from within, at the highest levels of governance. The lowest need only remove the cornerstone, our Republic falls.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Nov 21 at 2021 7:11 AM

2021-11-21T07:11:54-05:00

Not being WOK after carry on is sounded he would not be kneeling but on his face in the prone position. If he/she was one of my sailors - Oh well - stand by for heavy seas. None of the mamby pamby BS with writing up a charge. They would spend so many hours in the bilges (bottom of engineering spaces) that the lights down there would look like stars. Immediate corrective action. If it happens again - underway for civlant. This is out for the non-nautical or marine types.

Response by SFC Juan Santiago made Nov 21 at 2021 7:59 AM

2021-11-21T07:59:31-05:00

I will just make his
Life miserable, put him on every dirty detail there is in the base, also volunteer him to work in the motor pool to clean the pits.

Response by SGT Fred Flick made Nov 21 at 2021 8:19 AM

2021-11-21T08:19:23-05:00

Report

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Nov 21 at 2021 1:52 PM

2021-11-21T13:52:49-05:00

Unless the military has changed that much since I retired, he/she should be dealt with for conduct unbecoming especially if it happens on base. Even off base, you are a representative of the military and should conduct yourself accordingly. The military is supposed to be non-political and protests are forbidden. There are appropriate venues to address complaints and they should be used. Did they do away with the requirement to stand at attention and face the flag/music? If you don't like the rules, work to change them but until they are changed, obey'em!

Response by Cpl John Cogswell made Nov 21 at 2021 2:22 PM

2021-11-21T14:22:48-05:00

Yeah. It's not my business, I'm neither a Blue Falcon, nor a snowflake.

It's not like he is wearing a hammer and sickle or a swastika. I would however warn him quietly and privately that there's tons of snowflakes and Blue Falcons out there that would jack him over first chance they got.

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Nov 21 at 2021 6:00 PM

2021-11-21T18:00:16-05:00

If I was physically able....I'd put my foot in his arse !!!!!

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Nov 21 at 2021 6:00 PM

2021-11-21T18:00:43-05:00

If I was physically able....I'd put my foot in his ass !!!

Response by MSgt Janice Trojan made Nov 21 at 2021 9:32 PM

2021-11-21T21:32:40-05:00

Thank goodness I am retired. Personally I believe it's a political statement not to be done in uniform. As retired, I might not be diplomatic.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2021 7:13 PM

2021-11-22T19:13:34-05:00

I would first start with asking the Soldier why they chose to kneel during the National Anthem. What ever their answer was I would like to no more. Often what is behind individuals acting out is not because they really hate the flag or America far as that goes, many just need to be heard. This is something as a leader I need to know about the men and women in my ranks that I serve with; me or any other leader getting angry about a freedom of expression demonstration may not be the best first course of action. The belief system of Soldiers in our ranks is very important and must be talked about; especially in the last few years it has become even more diverse and complicated. There are two things that are a must to have trust and loyalty in your ranks. A Soldier must feel that they are cared for, and they must feel that they are secure. When either of these two begin to fade; doubt and unbelief begins to surface. If Soldiers who serve in the US Military are acting out.....maybe we need to evaluate how we caring for them and making them feel a sense of security about themselves. Incidents like the Afghanistan pull out is not helping when it comes to trust and loyalty of the men and women who serve this Great Nation; we have to do better.

Response by SPC Jon Parniawski made Nov 23 at 2021 2:18 PM

2021-11-23T14:18:27-05:00

I first joined the Army in 1988, and the current demeanor of our military is NOTHING like it used to be...I'd set up some wall-to-wall counseling with the squad for this person kneeling, and recommend they be chaptered out.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Nov 23 at 2021 11:32 PM

2021-11-23T23:32:34-05:00

It really is a simple affair.
Here is the wording of 36 U.S. Code § 301 "National anthem"

(a) Designation.—The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b) Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1)when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

This is conduct that a person SHOULD do.
Civilians will do what civilians will do. If the person kneeling cannot be determined to be serving, let it slide and pass. However if they are easily identified as serving, active military then I would take corrective action by approaching, identifying myself, snapping them to attention and asking for the pertinents of their name, rank, and Unit of Assignment. And advise that they will want to make their SNCO aware as I will be making contact at 0800 the next working day. Then promptly make contact at or about 0830 on that day.

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Nov 26 at 2021 12:53 PM

2021-11-26T12:53:55-05:00

If the guy is in civilian clothes and I don't know if or not he / she is in the Military. I would just ignore the person and let them voice their Freedom of Speech.
Now on the other hand if I know this person is a Soldier - Military personal. They're going to be in some serious hot water. I would approach them, Identify myself as being A Senior NCO of the US Army and request their ID card. Once I have received their ID card, I would take down info and then ask for their CO's Name, Unit of Assignment and Phone number of Unit. If I get this info from freely with no hassle, I would then inform them that I would be reporting the UCMJ Violation to their Unit CO / 1SG.
If the Soldier -0 Military Personal refuse to give me their Info, I would inform them they are under arrest according to the Articles of the UCMJ and call 911 to request a Police Officer to the location. Once they Police Officer arrived, I would tell them who I am and show my ID card to them for verification. Inform them that this Soldier - Military personal broke a Law under the UCMJ and request that the soldier / Military Personal be taken into custody and taken back to their Jail. Then after they were taken into Custody, I would call the nearest Military Post and report the incident to the Military Police and ask them to come to the City/ Town jail and pick up the offending Soldier - Military Personal for refusal of a Lawful Order of a Superior. Then once the MP's have the individual, tell them to find out who the person is and then contact the individual's Unit and explain what happened and why the individual in in Military Custody. It wouldn't matter either if the person out ranked you either use tact and be respectful at all times, they can still be arrested by Civilian Authorities until the Military Police arrive and take custody of the individual.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Nov 29 at 2021 3:13 PM

2021-11-29T15:13:26-05:00

I would kick his ass. He would be my permanent duty soldier, gate guard/kp, etc. I would not want to see him or serve with him ever again.

Response by SSG Rafael R. Rodriguez Sr. made Nov 29 at 2021 3:36 PM

2021-11-29T15:36:31-05:00

Although there are Regulations while in uniform. I would have to educate this soldier on each color of what the American Flag represents and tell him we stand for the Flag and kneel for the cross.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Dec 21 at 2021 4:06 PM

2021-12-21T16:06:55-05:00

Oh they can't do that. I mean... to kneel in protest as a civilian is one thing, but if you are in uniform, you made a commitment to honor the country. You have to give the US the benefit of the doubt in that situation. I mean, what the heck? They're paying your salary.
Aren't they disobeying a direct lawful order or something? to I am generally considered by my comrades as something of a lefty, but to engage in disrespectful political protest while in a parade or something...no way!

Response by SPC Julio R. made Dec 26 at 2021 6:29 PM

2021-12-26T18:29:39-05:00

In uniform hell no, out of uniform then it's none of your damn business, I could care less about your rank and a lot of you are sure throwing it around like it means something(it does depending), it's how you sound as if your word is the law and your a god and a lot of you with rank sure act like it but I digress.
As long as you do not flaunt the fact you're in the service if you take a knee then go ahead. You live in America and we fought for the right for anyone to protest as they see fit as long as it is tactful and peaceful unlike the domestic terrorists on Jan 6th. Which btw sounds like a lot of you or some of your fellow Vets and active duty partners. Yet no one had a problem with that Marine running his mouth a few months ago disobeying orders to get attention, a lot of yall were cheering him on like they did the murderer kyle.
These Yal'qaeda patriot comments and those TO MANY FOLKS HAVE ETC ETC FOR THE FLAG. I know this personally and it is a sacrifice but you do not speak for them or what they thought, they may have had no problem with it but we will never know yet you sit here putting words in their mouths. to each, his own and we all have a right to protest no matter what. Always a certain demo that gets their panties in a bunch about the kneeling issue. Those Reich Wing racist red states are the main ones making a big deal out of it or some of you nationalists.
Keep pulling your rank and hiding your bigotry behind your uniform whoever you are. The ones that actually are Professional and actually care about your soldiers I got nothing but respect for, no so much you rank puller blue falcons. I have personally dealt with toxic soldiers who hid their hate some not so much behind our uniform but definitely felt good to unfriend 21 of those hateful bigots.
YOUR OPINION IS NOT FACT!!!

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Dec 30 at 2021 6:24 PM

2021-12-30T18:24:59-05:00

It's not appropriate 2 kneel while n uniform. Period...

Response by SPC John Donohue made Jan 2 at 2022 1:23 PM

2022-01-02T13:23:40-05:00

In uniform its a violation of the UCMJ. Out of uniform as a citizen they have the right to free speech and this is within the scope of protected activity

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Jan 3 at 2022 8:46 AM

2022-01-03T08:46:52-05:00

I took the oath on Sept 13, 1960, and I still stand by it. It's obvious that they do not belong in uniform and I would do my damndest to see them walking out the front gate with bad paper.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Jan 3 at 2022 11:55 AM

2022-01-03T11:55:35-05:00

“Move over, Buddy.”

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Jan 4 at 2022 1:42 PM

2022-01-04T13:42:10-05:00

In some situations, kneeling is a sign of reverence. We kneel in church. "One nation under God" is firmly entrenched in our Pledge of Allegiance. So I ask, why would we immediately feel threatened by someone who kneels during the national anthem. None the less, military protocol is to come to attention and issue a salute.

Response by SSG Stephen Kimball made Jan 4 at 2022 2:31 PM

2022-01-04T14:31:34-05:00

knowing them to be one of my Soldiers, I would pull him to his feet and after released from formation, have a one sided conversation to include recommending to see the BN CDR for some remedial training on customs, courtesies and yard keeping

Response by SFC(P) John Delgado made Jan 6 at 2022 12:55 PM

2022-01-06T12:55:06-05:00

SFC Scheil - A lot of folks decided to take this out of content and make it about race. I'm not the smartest man in the room or even close. Here are my two cents, while we may not like what other people do, we serve our country to preserve our freedoms and that unfortunately is his freedom. Too many people don't even know why they do the things they do. They just do them because it brings attention to them.

Response by SFC Leslie Parker made Jan 7 at 2022 9:57 AM

2022-01-07T09:57:23-05:00

let it pass

Response by CPL Jimmy Webb made Jan 24 at 2022 3:26 PM

2022-01-24T15:26:13-05:00

Im perty sure he loves our flag.
I think they would be PRAYING

Response by PO1 Calvin Hill made Jan 24 at 2022 6:01 PM

2022-01-24T18:01:34-05:00

Let him kindly know the military does not get involved in politics. That's it. Don't have to physically abuse the sailor.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 24 at 2022 9:38 PM

2022-01-24T21:38:25-05:00

There would be lots of counseling going on, and they would be reading a lot about the UCMJ

Response by PO1 Sam Deel made Jan 25 at 2022 12:27 AM

2022-01-25T00:27:37-05:00

Obvious that during the National Anthem, the Senior in Charge would need to Order them to Stand at Attention. Afterwards, the Service Member should be addressed and cited the Regulations that they violated. Depending on the event/situation, it could just be verbal reprimand. They should be reminded that all who Serve face the double-jeopardy, living under Civilian and UCMJ Law. Really depends on how the Service Member is responding to this. It may be from a someone who misrepresented that right to protest while in uniform. If it came from a a Senior Enlisted or an Officer, a formal report should be generated. No matter the reasoning for such a protest, it is a violation of the premise for our Oath of Enlistment and Commissioning Oaths. This questions their ability to actually Serve.

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Jan 25 at 2022 3:19 AM

2022-01-25T03:19:33-05:00

I would remind them they are enlisted and that requires certain standards be met. That said without a doubt they may support those that do knee!.

Response by MSG Peter Toelle made Jan 25 at 2022 2:34 PM

2022-01-25T14:34:00-05:00

Court Marshal and a BCD

Response by SA Daniel Hinojosa made Jan 25 at 2022 2:40 PM

2022-01-25T14:40:33-05:00

Suggest to get up and start paperwork for a Court Martial.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Jan 30 at 2022 1:34 AM

2022-01-30T01:34:24-05:00

U iz brainwashed on symbols. I know others like me who r anti-theists won't swear on the Bible, but r honest straightforward upright folk. Same with stuff like kneeling during the pledge, the National Anthem. What's more important is... WHY..? If we don't speak up, signal... we don't call attention to things we believe to be wrong with the country. I am nearing the 80 mark. Lived thru the Viet Nam protests '60', 70's. And what did we learn after that conflict via McNamara, the Pentagon Papers, etc?... AND 58,000 DEAD...?

Response by PVT Carl Hockett made Feb 1 at 2022 3:55 PM

2022-02-01T15:55:24-05:00

If they do it in uniform, they should be Article 15'd. If in civvies but on military or government premises, reprimanded and warned. In civvies, on their own time and NOT on or in conjunction with any military or government premises or functions... as far as I'm concerned, they can burn the American flag if they want... but ONLY if it belongs to them. I could however possibly be swayed to believe that if they're serving, they shouldn't do that under any circumstance, though it would take some persuasion.

Response by SGT Daniel Petitt made Feb 19 at 2022 7:38 AM

2022-02-19T07:38:09-05:00

We took a oath to uphold the Constitution. So like it or not it is their Constitutional right under the First Amendment. I guess I’d just grit my teeth & bear it.

Response by Sgt Garrick Dew made Feb 27 at 2022 7:24 PM

2022-02-27T19:24:56-05:00

He has the freedom! United states has not always made great decisions. Men and women willing to buck the system are heroes. We dont need lemmings.

Response by A1C Damion Linder made Mar 2 at 2022 10:44 AM

2022-03-02T10:44:56-05:00

While I am all for freedom of speech, in uniform, however, is an entirely different matter. There is a decorum while in uniform. As a prior service vet, in uniform you don't do that, period. That's the nicest way I can put it.

Response by CPT William Pearson made Mar 2 at 2022 5:00 PM

2022-03-02T17:00:35-05:00

Conversation is a definite solution. Off duty is a misnomer as the military expects a special expectation as they are paying troops and to kneel before our country’s flag is a definite disobeying SOPs for military on duty or off duty. It is disrespectful and needs to be understood.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2022 5:32 PM

2022-03-02T17:32:23-05:00

It's not even really a matter of patriotism.
There are regulations stating the actions Service Members will take during the playing of the anthem.
We signed a contract stating we'd follow those regulations.
Whether we love that anthem or absolutely hate it is a separate issue from adhering to the contract we signed.

Response by Cpl George Goodwin made Mar 3 at 2022 8:13 PM

2022-03-03T20:13:02-05:00

I know he/she is a soldier and I am a higher rank, I would put them at attention. I would then remind them of what they are required to do when hearing the National Anthem. Receptive, we are done. Attitude, chain of command will be notified.

Response by SPC Edward Abney made Mar 3 at 2022 11:30 PM

2022-03-03T23:30:49-05:00

What's going on? I am an old Army Vet, I enlisted in 1962 and served 3 years with pride and honor. I honestly don't understand how Service members try to "live two lives" while in uniform. You signed on the line and swore an oath to the United States to serve honorably and to the best of your ability, not to become a political activist and cause dissension in the Service. What's going on?

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Mar 4 at 2022 10:21 AM

2022-03-04T10:21:18-05:00

He needs to be given a "BIG Chicken Dinner." You have violated you oath and therefore need to be discharged from service. I'm sorry I don't distinguish between in and out of uniform, you are a "SOLDIER" first and foremost. Take pride in your country, the Decleration of Independance,
the constitution, the bill of rights not the past, or certain parts of history. To some it may just be a song with some words, but to those of us who stepped up to defend those words it means our world and nation to us. The very end of it says it all, and I quote: O'ER THE LAND OF THE FREE, AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE!!! Loose the free and brave and you will be kneeling for a different reason.

Response by PO3 Paul Scheel made Mar 4 at 2022 2:30 PM

2022-03-04T14:30:26-05:00

Conduct Unbecoming

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Mar 4 at 2022 4:56 PM

2022-03-04T16:56:55-05:00

Whereas I do not condone this action, ever, I did defend their rights to do this. With that said, I would do the same as Maj Bell and be sure his Command knows how this person is acting when away from the unit. My last SgtMaj would have stretched my hide over Hanger Two at Tustin MCAS to hear of this. Rightfully so.

Response by SFC Michael W. made Mar 4 at 2022 5:50 PM

2022-03-04T17:50:30-05:00

If he/she is one of my soldier (and not in uniform), we would have a counseling meeting with her NCO to find out more info going on the next day. I can't recommend corrective action until I know the full details. Even then I still couldn't, unless that soldier is wearing gang-affiliated clothing denouncing our country.

However, if that soldier IS in uniform...their day just went gray with a Mega Storm headed their way!

You are an ambassador for the United States Armed Forces, in and out of uniform so represent it both professionally and respectively. You're entitled to your opinion...watch how you exercise it.

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made Mar 6 at 2022 5:27 PM

2022-03-06T17:27:18-05:00

Based on the question if I knew the soldier or knew they were a soldier, I’d confront that individual quickly. If if was one of my soldiers I would recommend an Article 15 and would push for discharge from the military.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Mar 9 at 2022 6:59 PM

2022-03-09T18:59:13-05:00

I would consider him/her "suspect" , easily influenced and void of independent thought "group thinker" I would certainly discuss event, educate him, explain what the flag embodies and have him explain his position as well as WTF he's doing in the US military, his attitude could quickly become poisonous and unless he quickly changed his attitude he would be unsuited for military service. When I served, he would have gotten a "tune up" very quickly by the platoon and "Top" would have banished him to the "motor pool" for the duration of his time never to be scene again, that SP6 knew how to handle guys sent to him be top

Response by PO1 David Kingsley made Mar 12 at 2022 4:14 PM

2022-03-12T16:14:00-05:00

Because there is an Official Policy for actions to be taken during the playing of the National Anthem, when it Uniform, failure to follow the policy/instructions would result in UCMJ Action.
When Not in Uniform and Not On Base, then instructions would not apply.
If in Uniform, at a Civilian Event, Regulations would Apply.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2022 8:45 AM

2022-04-28T08:45:25-04:00

There are two scenarios and I think MAJ Bell has some great comments, however its been established that as a Soldier you are responsible for your actions on or off duty. If I didnt know them or knew they were an SM I'd do like MAJ Bell. If I knew them, especially in my battalion or a Soldier I recognize Id approach them and ask what they're doing, and remind them that they're a Soldier either in or out of uniform, and they do not have the same universal first amendment rights as a civilian does. If they have issues, write their congressperson or act in another way that would not violate Army Regulations. If they're in uniform, first make sure they're a soldier and not like the E4 "Chaplain" that I've seen in protests years ago, and if they lack the integrity and character to stand for their actions and run as SPC Soderquist says, or they lie, I'll find out who they are, who they work for, and refer charges to their command and help relieve them of the burden of the Army Values..

Response by LCpl Robert Hodge made Apr 28 at 2022 1:21 PM

2022-04-28T13:21:40-04:00

I may be 76 yrs old but I fought for the Marine Corps as a US citizen. That person defiles what I near died defending.

Response by MSgt Thomas O'Rourke made Apr 29 at 2022 11:20 AM

2022-04-29T11:20:29-04:00

I would ask them for their unit information and then report the matter with urgency.

Response by 1SG Donald Dillman made Apr 29 at 2022 5:00 PM

2022-04-29T17:00:49-04:00

Training. Classes on patriotism, obedience, and values of a soldier.

Response by SGT Brian Conners made Apr 29 at 2022 6:02 PM

2022-04-29T18:02:28-04:00

My stand is God and Country. It is what this country was founded upon. People need to STOP taking God out of AMERICA, Period!!!!!

Response by SPC Kenneth James made Apr 30 at 2022 1:17 PM

2022-04-30T13:17:18-04:00

Well let me say here I have read in so many comments in this wonderful post we have here you are asking most people who do not have a law degree or don't even know themselves either you are looking for some kind pat on the back or the only other thing is people's opinions because you as a sergeant first class that the majority of us soldiers look up to should know to take it to the top sergeant in quite and let him find out what is to be done with that situation and then you be done with it as a soldier I knew what I could and could not do if we were taught what I think we were taught as older soldiers we didn't try to disclaim or brother but unlighted him on what we stand for and fight for in our United States of America we have enough against us already then to knock down our own

Response by MSgt Earl King made Apr 30 at 2022 3:42 PM

2022-04-30T15:42:40-04:00

In the same way, if I saw a soldier walking around with a Nazi/rebel rag patch, tattoo, flag. What would you do if you saw a soldier attacking our nation's capital?

Response by SSgt Ricardo Lugo made May 2 at 2022 12:08 AM

2022-05-02T00:08:45-04:00

Meditating in the powerful history of are nation and military traditions; under God. Its time to address with a mature spirit; situations that could happen during training operations or military ceremonies. The right posture is to advise the soldier; that the military rules has to be obey by all member of the Arm Forces. But also is good to educate all soldier; that loves to honor God and Country; that its possible to render reverence to God during our national anthem. By conducting in a humble heart the reverence to God; in a standing position in the privacy of the soldier spirit. So God Help Us. In God We Trust. One Nation Under God. Pursuit of Happiness under God. The Home of the Brave. As I recall during my service; people from other country; that have the privileges to train with American soldiers. They never neglect there religion believe; we as American Soldier should never forget that are nation was form by the blessing of God. Thank You God for the privileges to serve America (USA); under God Blessing.

Response by PO2 Michael Johnson made May 2 at 2022 6:42 AM

2022-05-02T06:42:06-04:00

Grow some balls and rip these scumbags. Who cares if they’re in/out or on/off duty. If you know that mf is a soldier and they’re kneeling for the national anthem, beat tf out of them.

You fookers call yourselves patriots but ain’t got the balls to demand better.

Response by SPC Robert Nasiff made May 7 at 2022 9:37 AM

2022-05-07T09:37:06-04:00

Kneeling while the national anthem is being played as far as I know is not against the law or against military rules. The rule reads "SHOULD" stand during the playing of the national anthem. Should does not mean "must"! If someone --anyone military or not is quietly kneeling during the playing of the national anthem, I see nothing wrong with that.

IMO, patriotism is serving your country! This does not include many politicians who choose to bend to their own self interests and party over what is best for the country.

Also, just displaying a flag or standing for its display or the playing of the national anthem, is NOT proof of patriotism, and just saying you are a patriot is meaningless.

I'd trust and respect a person kneeling quietly during the national anthem, rather then someone who criticizes them for doing so.

Response by PV2 Kristie Wyant-Byington made May 7 at 2022 9:44 AM

2022-05-07T09:44:04-04:00

I would be right in their face as a Veteran, correcting them. They wear the flag. They wear the uniform. "Get up." If they don't? I have all rights to punish them. Veterans are discharged from active duty, but we are the boots on the ground here & should be more actively demonstrating that. Veterans should be guarding our borders too. Veterans should be protesting the changes in the current military. Veterans should be protesting the discharges of those who didn't want the vaccine, even though they'd already received the basic formula in the others. I get the muscle twitches and had them almost 2 decades ago. Veterans should be protecting their soil.

Response by PO3 Thaxton Sellers made May 20 at 2022 9:39 AM

2022-05-20T09:39:14-04:00

I would kneel beside them

Response by SSG Robert Butland made May 21 at 2022 4:07 PM

2022-05-21T16:07:01-04:00

I would never ever to given to always Marine/Soldies

Response by PFC Jamie Wilkes made Jun 7 at 2022 3:28 PM

2022-06-07T15:28:20-04:00

I WOULD ORGANIZE A BLANKET PARTY 4 HIS LAME @SS & MAKE SURE HE KNOWS WHY HE'S GETTIN IT!!!

Response by SA Bill Barvitski made Jun 13 at 2022 11:35 AM

2022-06-13T11:35:38-04:00

I would take it as an act of war against me and the other in uniform and hit him in the head and say a few words!

Response by SPC Zoe Jane Halo made Jul 25 at 2022 1:50 PM

2022-07-25T13:50:54-04:00

You’re Asking how to deal with a soldier engaging in his first amendment right? In uniform ucmj dictates that you remain apolitical, out of uniform, I’d suggest you stay in your lane.

Response by PO2 John Harker made Jul 26 at 2022 12:53 PM

2022-07-26T12:53:57-04:00

Correct them on the spot. In civilian clothes with no reference to the unit it doesn't matter. In any kind of uniform we'd be having a one way and to the point chat about it.
I neither need nor have available any help from a chain of command. I'm capable of handling the situation even as a veteran. That's something they taught me in leadership training.

Response by LTC Reginald Brown made Jul 27 at 2022 9:39 AM

2022-07-27T09:39:15-04:00

Army Regulations allows service members to protest out of uniform. DOD Directive 1344.10 and DoD Directive 1325.06. Army regulations provides the requirement to render honors while in uniform. Simply remind or inform the soldier of the regulation. AR 600-25, paragraph 2–6. Pledge of Allegiance Soldiers may recite the Pledge of Allegiance as noted below in accordance with Section 4, Title 4, United States Code (4 USC 4)— a. During military ceremonies, Soldiers will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance. b. At official functions, social events, and sporting events, Soldiers should— (1) When in uniform, outdoors, stand at attention, remain silent, face the flag, and render the hand salute. (2) When in uniform, indoors, stand at attention, remain silent, and face the flag. (3) When in civilian attire, stand at attention, face the flag with the right hand over the heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Headgear should be removed with the right hand and held over the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart.

Response by SrA Lawrence Baiocco made Jul 27 at 2022 10:18 AM

2022-07-27T10:18:15-04:00

Get out of the service. Your oath is to protect the Flag and Anthem. By kneeling you’re doing neither. Why stay in if you don’t like this Great Republic.

Response by GySgt Bill Chastain made Jul 27 at 2022 6:00 PM

2022-07-27T18:00:44-04:00

Needless to say, 24/7 you are accountable for your actions. I’d write his ass up!

Response by SGT Linda J. made Jul 27 at 2022 9:34 PM

2022-07-27T21:34:12-04:00

Agree totally with Maj John Bell.

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Jul 29 at 2022 2:13 AM

2022-07-29T02:13:37-04:00

The presumption is that the act of kneeling is a sign of disrespect. To the contrary, kneeling in the presence of greatness is considered to be a sign of immense respect. In many churches, kneeling before the alter is an honor. I could easily take a knee before Old Glory as a sign that I deeply honor the nation that it represents,.

Response by SSG Robin Moore made Aug 8 at 2022 2:58 PM

2022-08-08T14:58:51-04:00

If you understood what it truly meant by kneeling…I would do nothing it is nobody else’s business not even the military to infringe on his personal beliefs & feelings

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2022 6:06 PM

2022-08-25T18:06:54-04:00

I don’t support kneeling or kneelers! I support the United States flag and I honor the red white and blue until I die! It’s instilled in my heart and I am completely against kneeling for a flag that I served, that many of my relatives lost their lives for and also many friends have given their lives for, it sickens me!

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 25 at 2022 7:06 PM

2022-08-25T19:06:06-04:00

I would show them the proper way to honor our flag and national anthen.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Aug 29 at 2022 10:05 AM

2022-08-29T10:05:23-04:00

Protest in Uniform? The Military is not a political organization. It fights for the country, right or wrong, and for all the political parties combined. If you want to fight for a political cause, find something else to join and take that uniform off, you don't belong there. Sorry, there are no SA or SS type units in the USA where you can politically enroll. If you want to complain about the Government, go to your elected political representative and voice your opinion. You may even try writing to the editor of your newspaper, but please don't sign it with a rank prefix or suffix. Off duty out of uniform, protest all you want, but remember you don't represent all of the military. With all the flags out there today, you have to know that the military only fights for one of them, the one with all those stars and stripes! The 1st Amendment applies to you, but you do not represent the military as a spokes person so take off that uniform before you attend a political protest. As a kid growing up in the 40's my views may be a little old fashion, but IMO politics has no place in the military.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Aug 29 at 2022 1:02 PM

2022-08-29T13:02:56-04:00

If the solder is in uniform, I'd read him the Riot Act, get his name and then call his unit. That soldier, whatever the rank, does NOT have the "right to protest" by disrespecting the national colors while in uniform. When we join the military we voluntarily give up some of our rights to promote good order and discipline.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Aug 30 at 2022 10:36 PM

2022-08-30T22:36:43-04:00

He better be praying to God to help protect that flag.

Response by PO2 Robert Bauman made Aug 31 at 2022 1:27 PM

2022-08-31T13:27:28-04:00

Is there something wrong with Kneeling? If the person were sick or injured, I would try to help them.

Response by Capt Heather Brown made Sep 1 at 2022 1:13 AM

2022-09-01T01:13:25-04:00

Ha, I would do nothing. Maybe I would congratulate that person for taking a stand for something they believe in and having the guts to show it. The military needs more people who aren't afraid to stand up foe what they say are their principles. I literally had a lot col write a lie and the core values in the same sentence. You do what you need to do to live with yourself. Oaths and core values mean nothing. They're all for show. Someone kneeling during the anthem if they felt strongly enough about it to face the consequences...good on them. Carry on.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2022 3:00 PM

2022-09-01T15:00:37-04:00

If this is out of a work attire, who cares? People need to have their own opinions. If it’s in work there are standards and optics. I hold opinions and do stuff in my off time that would not be condoned simply because it’s different. This is one of those. I don’t talk about my politics or sex life in uniform, out of uniform I will do as I please in the sheets and streets. People need to chill this isn’t serious.

Response by PVT Robert Chandler made Sep 3 at 2022 4:58 PM

2022-09-03T16:58:21-04:00

If you call for a cup and your on Q then you know cops are crude because of lake levels so I only read others comments. Who said I am USRA , beefy byden be in this position too?

Response by CPL Rhett Madison made Sep 3 at 2022 5:50 PM

2022-09-03T17:50:13-04:00

I would ask him, who are you for Federal or a States rights? I stand for states rights, and I stand up for the flag as it passes, but I am not Subject to Title 26 USC anymore.

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Sep 8 at 2022 7:31 PM

2022-09-08T19:31:37-04:00

there is nothing that shows respect more than kneelin. it is ab act of prayer and faith and good will. only the most rabid race haters object to someone praying for others... that is the very essence of fascism and the highest conceivable disrespect for the USA

kneeling in respect was first thought up by wounded medal of honor winners

it makes me sick literally to hear anything demanding anyone refuse to show that respect. we kneel to show our love for the union of the people governed by the people for the sake of the people and too many veterans are denied and too many veterans die because of that hate that demands i stop showing my respect for and love for my country

those who would deny my right to love my country in public are enemies of the union of the people and the constitution we swore to defend.

every military person has a god given right to worship god without enemies of the country telling them who and how

military formation is a military duty. but if on my free time i can freely choose to play baseball or take a swim, than nobody is going to tell me i can't kneel in respect - shoot me if you want but that's what my god says is honoring the faith

Response by PO3 John Fahrer made Sep 23 at 2022 11:40 AM

2022-09-23T11:40:43-04:00

If in uniform that person should be written up for Captains Mass. This is unamerican and is so disrespectful!

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Oct 9 at 2022 4:42 PM

2022-10-09T16:42:36-04:00

I would send them to the Dentist. Right after I kicked their teeth down their throat.

Response by CPL T.A. Nelson made Oct 23 at 2022 8:28 PM

2022-10-23T20:28:32-04:00

Hopefully not in uniform, it is obviously a issue when in any uniform (PT or otherwise,) the chain should know.

Response by SSgt Phil Sutherland made Nov 28 at 2022 11:46 PM

2022-11-28T23:46:11-05:00

I would inform them that there is not freedom of speech in the military and that dishonoring our flag is a courts martial offense and give them the opportunity to correct it and agree to never do it again. Refusal would result in my taking it further.

Response by CPL Christopher Thomas made Nov 29 at 2022 1:32 PM

2022-11-29T13:32:06-05:00

If they were in uniform and in my squad, I would have ran them to death on a Saturday morning before 0'dark thirty. If they weren't my solider, I would have found out who their Top was and then tore them a new asshole. I don't put up with disrespect. When you are off-duty and out of uniform, I don't agree with it, but that's your business.

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Dec 4 at 2022 12:32 PM

2022-12-04T12:32:20-05:00

I refuse to watch the NFL because of the Kneeling issue. As an American you have the right to leave the country and move to were you will be required to spend time in your knees. Your choice.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Dec 4 at 2022 1:32 PM

2022-12-04T13:32:52-05:00

I’d have to council them on conduct unbecoming a military member. If I were still in the Marine Corps, there’d be some wall to wall counseling. If it were while I was in the Air Force, it would depend. If they were a helicopter crew chief, he’d be cleaning hangar tracks and pad eyes until the second coming of Christ. He’d be on his knees digging out dirt and disgusting, smelly muck for 12 hours a day. I figure he (or she) wanted to be on their knees, I’d accommodate them. If it were anyone not of my career field, get their info, take their ID card and contact their 1st Sgt. It’d be up to them how far they need to go in order to correct the offending individual’s misbegotten ways.

Response by SGM Michael Womer made Dec 4 at 2022 7:52 PM

2022-12-04T19:52:40-05:00

In Civivian clothes, nothing, he has the right as a citizen to do so. In uniform is a different story. That rises to a political position while in uniform, not allowed to express a political opinion in uniform, correct the person and move on, the only cure for ignorance is education.

Response by SGM Michael Womer made Dec 4 at 2022 7:53 PM

2022-12-04T19:53:07-05:00

Meant Civilian Clothes

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2022 12:37 AM

2022-12-05T00:37:15-05:00

First it should noted that kneeling is infact and act of showing reverence or respect, and has been for the entirety of it's history stretching back millenia. And it should be remembered that the act of kneeling is a greater show of respect then rendering the salute. Perhaps, it would be best to ask the soldier the reason they have chosen to kneel. Perhaps they do so in mourning or rememberance of a fallen comrade. And then offer them soldier to soldier advice. Then trend of taking sudden and deep offense, and acting in that doesn't accomplish the goal of altering or correcting behavior significantly. Rather it encourages and justifies and rebellious feeling or motives. If a SM repeatedly does this after being informed that it is perceived as disrespectful, then formal corrective action becomes appropriate.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Dec 8 at 2022 6:18 PM

2022-12-08T18:18:57-05:00

If he is in uniform, he will be going to mast. Period. If in civvies, he would get talked to about disrespect and how that is perceived by most that serve beside him.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Dec 8 at 2022 7:50 PM

2022-12-08T19:50:39-05:00

First we would visit the whiskey locker. After that education I would teach the proper way to display respect. But you know we were taught wrong at recruit training. Out of uniform we were told to face the flag/music and stand at attention. This is wrong, standing at attention is correct but place your hand over your heart until music ends.

Response by MAJ Luis Hernandez made Dec 9 at 2022 5:29 PM

2022-12-09T17:29:44-05:00

bring him up on charges and start processing him out of the military.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Dec 10 at 2022 9:13 AM

2022-12-10T09:13:43-05:00

If he or she is in civies and chooses to be disrespectful then it's on that person; however, when one has the uniform on the standards change. I'd order the person to attention and hand salute. Failure to do so leaves little to the imagination.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2022 7:57 PM

2022-12-23T19:57:42-05:00

That depends on the situation, location and whether or not the soldier was in uniform.

If off-duty in civilian clothes at a civilian event I wouldn’t be even the slightest bit bothered and would leave him or her to continue with his/her constitutionally protected peaceful protest.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Dec 23 at 2022 8:20 PM

2022-12-23T20:20:09-05:00

It's disrespect to all of us vets. But, it's their right. But, it's my right to not support their over so paid dumb ass. I stopped watching ALL pro sports the day coppernuts took a knee.

Response by SP5 Timothy Cooper made Mar 2 at 2023 11:49 AM

2023-03-02T11:49:37-05:00

I put my foot up there a$$ but that being me. I think the thing to do would be is too call them to the side an tell them we are soldiers wait do you think you are doing. When mess's up smoke there A$$ an sing the Anthem. But that is me.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2023 6:54 PM

2023-03-02T18:54:40-05:00

The fact that this question is even posed as a hypothetical proves that the breakdown of good order and discipline in United States Armed Forces is complete.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Mar 4 at 2023 9:37 AM

2023-03-04T09:37:51-05:00

I definitely recommend a UCMJ for his disrespect of the flag when many have die for it. WTF is wrong with this generation?

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Mar 5 at 2023 2:14 AM

2023-03-05T02:14:56-05:00

I would find a reason to put my foot in his ass I realize that the current sissified leaders would likely faint. But I am old school.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Mar 5 at 2023 11:37 AM

2023-03-05T11:37:14-05:00

I agree with the Maj. Bell, very disrecptful of our country

Response by PO3 Michael MacKay made Mar 5 at 2023 1:31 PM

2023-03-05T13:31:29-05:00

This is not a trivial act, as on active duty it is an act of sedition, whether in uniform or not. I would report it to senior staff and hold accountable any of them that did not properly act on the issue. If you do not believe it is an act of sedition, have them at colors do it in uniform and see what happens.

For the rule here:

10 U.S. Code § 894 - Art. 94. Mutiny or sedition

A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.

And I am not stating "death" should be considered, only seperation from avctive duty.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2023 4:21 PM

2023-03-05T16:21:34-05:00

It's simple. Itlf they are still in the service. Then spot correct them. It's against regs to kneel during if you're still in, in or out of uniform. If they aren't then oh well. It's their right to do as they wish.

Response by Cpl Tammy Hooper made Mar 7 at 2023 8:12 AM

2023-03-07T08:12:20-05:00

I'd check to see if she/he needed assistance.

Response by SSG Bill Moore made Mar 7 at 2023 8:29 PM

2023-03-07T20:29:39-05:00

On duty or not, The four things most important to a soldier is his/her dedication to the Constitution, Code of Conduct, each other and the American flag and what it stands for. You might not believe in everything the U.S. stands for but when you put on that uniform, you effing better respect and defend it.

Response by SSG Paul Meadows made Mar 7 at 2023 8:35 PM

2023-03-07T20:35:07-05:00

Head to wall counseling.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2023 10:50 PM

2023-03-07T22:50:35-05:00

I would mind my business a man can do what he feels right in civilian clothes it's nobody's business to say or do anything.

Response by PO3 Douglas Hughes made Mar 9 at 2023 2:06 PM

2023-03-09T14:06:08-05:00

If I knew he or she was out of uniform and they served in any of the wars we fought in since WW2 I would look the other way. If they were in uniform and they served any of the wars since Korea I would tell them don't let them see you cry. I sand at attention and salute the flag during the national anthem not because I love America, but in reverence to the 58,000 of my fellow soldiers who didn't come home alive from Vietnam.

Response by SrA Michele Burgman made Mar 12 at 2023 7:19 AM

2023-03-12T07:19:37-04:00

Unless they were in uniform, I'd mind my business, as it was explained ad nauseum, kneeling is to bring attention to racial injustice, and not disrespecting the flag. After all, a Veteran is who recommended Colin Kaepernick kneel instead of just sit down during the national anthem.

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Mar 12 at 2023 2:11 PM

2023-03-12T14:11:29-04:00

This is the problem when the Military went to a Communist style of Top only leadership, in the past anyone of senior rank wouldn’t need to ask this question they would’ve taken immediate action.

This top only leadership has failed every time it’s been used, the United States Military has won every battle we have been in and Politicians have lost ever war since Korea, now we have Military Leadership that has followed the politicians way of leading and we are failing.

Response by SGT Brian Conners made Mar 27 at 2023 5:54 PM

2023-03-27T17:54:05-04:00

Nothing, for if it wasn't for God, there would be no country

Response by Sgt Stephanie Stewart made Apr 15 at 2023 12:43 AM

2023-04-15T00:43:39-04:00

To be honest it is another form of respect. We as Americans need to receive and accept the respect of patriotism and dedication that all individual feel. I am proud of this individuals courage!

Response by PO1 Ken Helmick made Apr 15 at 2023 11:36 AM

2023-04-15T11:36:27-04:00

I'd probably just give silent thanks that I'm a retired sailor and don't have to deal with soldiers...

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Apr 15 at 2023 6:42 PM

2023-04-15T18:42:36-04:00

After the anthem ended, I would be in their face like a DI on boot camp day 1. I would take a cell phone picture of their ID card, and demand their unit info. And promise them that this will not go quietly away.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Apr 16 at 2023 2:53 PM

2023-04-16T14:53:05-04:00

If he is in uniform, you have to explain that as a soldier, he cannot disparage or belittle the US because it can be misconstrued as an institutional stance. The US military upholds the constitution no matter who wins at the ballot box. If he is in civilian attire, he is within his rights.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Apr 16 at 2023 3:03 PM

2023-04-16T15:03:25-04:00

If he is in uniform or in a formation, he can face discipline. The role of the US military is to defend the constitution no matter who wins at the ballot box. Explain to this young person that his or her behavior could be misconstrued as an institutional political position. If he or she is civilian attire and is acting in a private personal manner than they are within their rights. I, personally, would pursue the lightest possible punishment option, a verbal, off the record counseling the first time. Then proceed up the disciplinary ladder. Again, speaking as an individual, I would try and convince the service member that such displays are an ineffective way to get their beliefs heard and respected. I mean the U.S. never pursues all the policies I want always, but its still the best hope for humanity I can think of within the secular realm.

Response by PO2 Gary Riedl made Apr 16 at 2023 8:34 PM

2023-04-16T20:34:18-04:00

Has this happened? Why would any soldier do this, to disrespect the very country they serve? Such a sad situation to see our great country being disassembled by its own citizens.

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Apr 17 at 2023 12:08 AM

2023-04-17T00:08:43-04:00

Like Patton, slap him silly

Response by MAJ Alan Montgomery made Apr 17 at 2023 11:08 AM

2023-04-17T11:08:29-04:00

In my day, and that was a long time ago, kneeling during the national anthem was unheard of, so as a commander, a leader, and a soldier, my biggest concern would have been preserving life, the kneeling soldier's life. Some things were tolerated, and some weren't; kneeling for the National Anthem, especially if in uniform, would have been unthinkable, but then we had just finished fighting WW-II and Korea. Many soldiers, from my day, seeing their brothers come home in body bags, were more concerned by the betrayal of the sacrifices of our military by our political leaders who capitulated to North Korea and North Vietnam than kneeling for the National Anthem. The times, social conventions, and military discipline all were very different in my day in uniform. In my day, standing for the National Anthem was how we showed our national pride, our patriotic fervor. Asking a soldier who liberated Auschwitz, who invaded the Puson peninsula, or who witnessed his buddies die during TET or at Khe Sanh what they think about kneeling for the National Anthem and some athlete who never saw combat or served in the military and you're going to get two very different responses. I, and I believe many of my generation, find it disgusting that an element of today's society can, or will, kneel for the National Anthem in view of the sacrifices of our military. Many of my generation have difficulty getting our heads around politicians who are willing to send soldiers to war, eulogize our fallen, then capitulate to our enemies as has become the national trend: Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan. Asking a soldier from my generation, or any soldier, to accept, or condone, those who disrespect their sacrifices and those of our buddies by kneeling for the National Anthem in my opinion is asking to much. That said, and as much as it disgusts me, I will defend their right to kneel at the playing of the National Anthem but don't disrespect those laying beneath crosses at Arlinton or any of the national cemeteries by doing it in uniform; that right the constitution does NOT GIVE YOU. And here is another tidbit, I WILL NEVER PREVENT THE KILLING OF THOSE WHO HAVE SO LITTLE PATRIOTISM AS TO KNEEL FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM BY AN ENEMY FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC. Take solace in the fact that, thanks to soldiers living and dead, kneeling for the National Anthem is protected speech, just don't expect me to like it.

Response by SFC William Linnell made Apr 17 at 2023 12:09 PM

2023-04-17T12:09:42-04:00

Upon witnessing this act by your Soldiers or others if you don't recognize them, YOU should take them to the side and gather information, written, the 5 W's. When you witness the malfunction while the Anthem is playing, you continue to salute until the song is complete. Since you didn't mention if they were in uniform or civies, it still doesn't change the fact that this is covered under Army Regs and the UCMJ. I'm not going to search specific wording, that'll be your task or anyone else to complete. Regardless of clothing attire, If one is active duty, one is always on duty because you're representing the Branch of Service, the US, it doesn't stop once you pass thru the gate. When hearing the National Anthem in uniform, either on post or off post, turn towards the music if you can't see the flag itself, one stands at Attention and Salutes. When in civies, one stands at Attention, no Saluting. Retirees can stand at Attention and Salute. They have earned that. And it was put into effect in Army Regs.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2023 1:34 AM

2023-04-18T01:34:36-04:00

Training Tool For Whom,...Is The United States Forces Full Of BIGOTS,...

Response by GySgt Ken Norwood made Apr 18 at 2023 11:09 AM

2023-04-18T11:09:23-04:00

Just because this Soldier kneels does not automatically indicate a protest! There could be a situation you are unaware of happening. Personally I hate the playing of TAPS! Too many bad personal memories involved with TAPS. There is the possibility this individual has just had something happen that overwhelms them with grief and went to their knee rather than fall down.
Investigate with concern!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2023 2:02 AM

2023-04-26T02:02:10-04:00

Out of uniform, I'd walk away. In uniform, he would be Learning how to work every muscle group one at a time till muscle failure, figure out the rest as the day went on.

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made Apr 30 at 2023 4:43 PM

2023-04-30T16:43:13-04:00

In a combat zone or otherwise? Just asking for a friend. In all reality I' agree with Major John Bell.

Response by SGT Gary Brannick made Jun 4 at 2023 2:30 AM

2023-06-04T02:30:21-04:00

This is an easy fucking answer. You have a discussion with the SM and remind them that the last thing that covers the body of our brothers and sister before they are put in the fucking ground is the American flag. If you want to kneel for the flag that is your choice just don't fucking expect to get covered by it on the day you are laid to rest.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Jun 4 at 2023 3:14 PM

2023-06-04T15:14:38-04:00

In uniform, reprimand...out of uniform, would make a mental note of that action.

Response by SP5 James Filhart made Jun 6 at 2023 5:45 AM

2023-06-06T05:45:31-04:00

turn him in. tell all of the other soldiers

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2023 10:41 PM

2023-06-07T22:41:24-04:00

I honestly don't care. I don't care how others perceive my laidback response to the aforementioned scenario. There are more important things to address and resolve in the military than an individual exercising his 1A right. Life in the military can be pretty daunting and demoralizing, why make it worse?

Response by SSgt Jeff Black made Jun 8 at 2023 1:42 AM

2023-06-08T01:42:34-04:00

I’m going to wait until the Anthem. If it’s on of mine, we go in a private place and I ask for an explanation. I can’t think of one that would make that ok. After that, there are a lot of factors that will determine my next move.
If it’s not one of mine, I get his name and unit. I report it to my counterpart in his unit and let them handle it.

Response by Jody Shaw made Jun 9 at 2023 10:57 PM

2023-06-09T22:57:58-04:00

In uniform that military personal would probably be in hot water, but what about our former president "Donald Trump" Who Disrespect'ed Our Country, The Capital, The Supreme Court, and even the Holly Bible when he (Donald Trump) held the Bible up side down, & has the nerve to where an American Flag on his lapel, while service members where there america flag on their uniform, as the president of the united states' he recognize in uniform 24 hours, 7 days aweek, what's the difference? And as wingman who would have his airman's/buddies back, did Trump ever have the vice president back?Not that I'm defending any military personal who would kneel before our american flag, it's just a double standards, I think,

Response by CPL T.A. Nelson made Jun 11 at 2023 8:22 PM

2023-06-11T20:22:49-04:00

He should be taken aside and explained the UCMJ requirements. If he doesn't care, he doesn't want to be enlisted...l

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Jun 12 at 2023 1:20 AM

2023-06-12T01:20:21-04:00

My first reaction would be to tell the confused soldier to get up, face sound of the music, come to attention and salute. I found in a lot of cases, soldiers would do something stupid and as soon as told it was just that, they'd try to conform to expectations. When the anthem finished, I would follow Major Bell's recommendation. But, the first thing is to try and get the soldier in order; thinking ahead to the Court Martial, I'd like to have an answer for the defense's question "Did you tell him what to do, 1SG Farrell?" that showed concern for the soldier's emotional and mental state.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2023 12:17 PM

2023-06-13T12:17:48-04:00

Easy answer.
They're a Service Member. There are regulations dictating our behavior during the playing of the anthem.
We all signed a contract with the words "...according to regulations and the uniform Code of Military Justice...".
It has little to do with "patriotism" or "honors" or any of those other things which can never be truly legislated.
What it DOES have to do with is adhering to the terms of a contract we've signed.

Response by SSG Jerry Chlarson made Jun 13 at 2023 1:58 PM

2023-06-13T13:58:40-04:00

In uniform, do your job (both soldiers).

Out of uniform, hey, isn’t they why we serve?
To protect freedoms. Like them or not, we are here to protect them and we made an oath to do so.

Response by SP5 Richard Barton made Jun 15 at 2023 6:42 PM

2023-06-15T18:42:50-04:00

I think this is a question without merit. I served 1974-1977. Though many of us did not like serving during tedious times, I know of no one that would have taken a knee like that. There were many days I didn't like being in the Army. But I am so proud that I did.

Response by SSgt Joseph Ovady made Aug 4 at 2023 3:42 PM

2023-08-04T15:42:53-04:00

Patriotism unfortunately has been tarnished in the Civilian World, I honor my flag, but truly am annoyed be people who wear clothing with flags incorporated into the garment, unless it is a badge. I honestly can't tell who is civilian or military anymore, especially by hair cut or tattoos. I would talk to them privately about disrespecting our flag. It's a sad thing in our Nation.

Response by CPT George Hupp made Aug 5 at 2023 5:43 PM

2023-08-05T17:43:54-04:00

Saying in a “nice way” … it breaks my heart to have a service member kneel during our National Anthem. So many of us have been KIA, MIA or wounded in battle and/or performing daily duties.

Having said that, my real feelings is it really p… me off for any service member to disrespect our Nation Anthem, our Flag and all the people that have served, currently serving and future service members.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Aug 5 at 2023 6:52 PM

2023-08-05T18:52:01-04:00

Only response required is if the soldier is in uniform or on base, or both. My response would enough to prevent the popular cult to be imitated by others and a lesson would be respect for our national anthem. I would then enroll him in a flag and anthem appreciation class with mandatory attendance conducted by his platoon sergeant.

Response by PFC Patrick McKay made Aug 5 at 2023 9:24 PM

2023-08-05T21:24:40-04:00

Stand and salute, asshole! If you are mourning lost comrades or family, kneel in appropriate locations and conditions. Understandable. You stand at salute with your hat off and your hand over your heart when presented with the national anthem. In uniform or not. Period!!

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2023 6:22 AM

2023-08-07T06:22:53-04:00

I'd they're out of uniform & not in base. I'd do my best to ignore it. But if they were @ an official function or in uniform or even out of uniform but talking bout them being in. Then on the spot correction. Get their info & report them to their unit

Response by PO3 J P made Aug 7 at 2023 10:16 PM

2023-08-07T22:16:48-04:00

Off base,off duty,out of uniform you are a representative of your branch of the military. You should be that person no matter your sheath. Or maybe you don't need to wear that uniform.

Response by PO3 William Sullivan made Aug 9 at 2023 5:23 PM

2023-08-09T17:23:49-04:00

I fought for everyone's rights. I do not need to agree how they express their rights, as long as they aren't in uniform.

Response by AN Catherine Wray-Tully made Aug 9 at 2023 10:07 PM

2023-08-09T22:07:59-04:00

I would have the soldier brought up on some charges.

Response by Sgt Bemajedareki Williams Sr made Aug 10 at 2023 5:29 AM

2023-08-10T05:29:10-04:00

Kneeling during the National Athem has nothing to do with the military. Uniform or not if a soldier decides he wants to kneel, that’s his/her right. No one wants to learn about the facts behind the kneeling. They only want to listen to someone else’s opinion.

Response by SPC Collyn Lorimer made Aug 11 at 2023 12:51 PM

2023-08-11T12:51:55-04:00

I would like to know why these types of conversations always have to revert back to racism. Racism works both ways. I am white, but that doesn't mean I'm a racist. When I was in the army? I was a victim of racism from colored ncos that I had. Everything doesn't have to be about race. Colin kappernick is a spoiled, rich individual who had to have his name in Lights. What the h*** does he know about oppression?

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Aug 11 at 2023 2:07 PM

2023-08-11T14:07:21-04:00

Depends on if they're in fatigues or not. Somebody's got to make sure the troops don't screw up their uniforms. They shouldn't garden in uniform either. Or am I missing the point on all the green machine pearl clutching here?

Response by LCpl Michael Gert made Aug 14 at 2023 7:44 AM

2023-08-14T07:44:58-04:00

When I was taken out of the brig to face the CO. to determine office hours or Court Marshal I would give my side, and if the scum bag was there they'd be pulling me off of her/him again.
If I had a decent CO. proud in States and service I would expect the CO. and SGTMAJOR to step out of the office and call the MP's low priority. Then after treatment of my knuckles, I'd expect to go back to work after office hours with an admonishment and a forfeiture of one dollar.
A snake deserves no pity, having taken an Oath to the USA they would have been begging for and deserving of the ass-kicking. The same goes for Flag burners.
I now step off the soap box for another to take my place.

Response by LCpl Michael Gert made Aug 14 at 2023 8:00 AM

2023-08-14T08:00:08-04:00

OH, I can't let this go that I forgot.
You Stand and Salute for the National Anthem,
You kneel and remove your cover for Prayer.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Aug 20 at 2023 12:28 PM

2023-08-20T12:28:20-04:00

I would read him or her the riot act and report it to our senior officer, very disrespectful for someone in uniform. Semper Fo

Response by PVT John Jones made Aug 21 at 2023 4:19 PM

2023-08-21T16:19:39-04:00

It would depend on why the soldier was kneeling. When I was in OCS, the TAC officers would routinely "drop" us (candidates) to do pushups. More than several times we were "dropped" DURING THE PLAYING OF OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM. Initially, I thought this was disgraceful and inappropriate, but I and all the other candidates got used to it. I don't know who generated this question, but I suspect it was because of Black athletes who kneeled at events, in protest of police brutality. I see that kneeling as a full acceptable form of non-violent protest. I'm glad you asked.

PS: I have had TAC officers who flushed our pocket Bibles down the toilet because we weren't supposed to have reading material.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Aug 30 at 2023 4:55 PM

2023-08-30T16:55:43-04:00

Where I find is ignorant and inappropriate to choose a protest at that time, I do defend the stupid along with the rest of this country. If it was someone in uniform, then all bets are off and reports will be filed. This goes for all Armed Services. (Space Force would just get counseling since they are too new to know better.)

Response by CPL Pamela Dickerson made Oct 17 at 2023 12:54 PM

2023-10-17T12:54:04-04:00

Kneeling in protest is not new, this was done quite frequently during the fight for civil rights. To all of you who say you don’t understand how that correlates to the flag and the national anthem, either don’t really know the history of this country or you simply choose to ignore it. Research the parts of the national anthem that are no longer sung but still exist. Check out what was going on when Betsy Ross made the American flag. Read up on the SEGREGATED military. POC have consistently honored the flag and this nation, even though it has never honored them. You ask how does the flag, the anthem and police brutality connect? It’s simple…rogue police officers are still enacting the very oppression that was taking place when these things came into being. I saw one individual said that police brutality isn’t that rampant. That’s the attitude that’s keeping our country so divided and fueling these incidents. One report of police brutality, racial profiling, killing unarmed POC, is one too many. I am a proud Army veteran and I come from a family of service members, but I am also a black woman who has seen and been a victim of the racism that some of y’all claim doesn’t exist. So many of y’all are claiming to be patriotic but your first go to is to do harm to someone who’s acting in a manner with which you don’t agree? Tell me again how racism doesn’t exist in the military or this country? Kneeling is done at military funerals to present the flag to family members, if this action is so disrespectful, then the rules need to be changed to standing. Personally if I encountered this situation, if they’re in civilian clothes, I’d probably mind my own damn business, but if they’re in uniform, then this is a teachable moment about what’s acceptable and what’s not. I wouldn’t need to get his/her chain of command involved, because as an NCO, I set the standard, so no back up needed.

Response by SP6 Richard Kellar made Oct 19 at 2023 7:27 PM

2023-10-19T19:27:10-04:00

I would make certain he was distinguished among peers!

Response by LTC Reginald Brown made Oct 22 at 2023 11:43 PM

2023-10-22T23:43:11-04:00

At this point in my life, I probably would do nothing, but I would like to talk to the soldier and let them tell me why they are kneeling. For me it is important to remember why this is an issue, like all other civil rights issues, it is a peaceful way to bring awareness of police injustice in the black community. I was surprised to see the question on Oct 22, 2023, but saw it is an old question from 2017. Fortunately, this is no longer an issue.

Response by SGT Katherine Iwatiw Menges made Oct 23 at 2023 11:19 AM

2023-10-23T11:19:03-04:00

I'm not in uniform, but a veteran who substitutes in an inner-city school. At the start of the day announcements are made and then the direction to stand and pledge allegiance to the flag is made. Students are slow to stand but will stand. For me, it makes little difference if they stand or if they kneel in prayer. They are not allowed to sit. But to ask a question, would you interrupt the moment to confront this person or wait until afterwards?

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 23 at 2023 11:12 PM

2023-10-23T23:12:02-04:00

TODAY THIS WORLD IS SO DIFFERENT, SO I WOULD WATCH AND PULL THAT SM TO THE SIDE AND ASKED "WHY DO YOU WEAR THE UNIFORM AND WHAT WAS YOUR MAIN REASON OF JOINING THE MILITARY?

BEING OLD SCHOOL LIKE 1988-+ BETWEEN THAT TIME WE DID NPOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SM DOING THAT. JUST SEEMS LIKE AFTER I WOULD SAY 2019 AND TO THIS DAY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE BUT I AGREE WITH LT COL JACK BELOW ABOUT POLICY AND REGS.

SAM00754

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Oct 24 at 2023 9:20 AM

2023-10-24T09:20:25-04:00

Not in uniform I would not get on him as I would later pull him/her off to the side and get the reason behind his/her reason for it and then get the unit he/her are assigned to and get his/her name and unit then I would go see the First Sgt and inform him of what I observed.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Oct 25 at 2023 7:36 AM

2023-10-25T07:36:38-04:00

I would agree with Maj Bell, John on this. In civilian clothes not on duty at the present time then it will be ok I guess. Not much you can really do on that. In uniform is a whole different entity. Best believe that Solider would get a good talking too about his actions and some corrective training. I personally get why you would kneel to an extent. It's about 30-45 secs worth of an anthem. Is it really that hard to just stand and salute for that long. Apprently it's that hard. Also, what does the flag have to do with the issues that you are kneeling for. You kneel for this and that reason. That's your choice to an extent. Again what are you kneeling for and what does it have to do with the flag and the National Anthem.

Response by SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD made Oct 25 at 2023 6:39 PM

2023-10-25T18:39:23-04:00

Help him to his feet.

Response by SGT Michael Dreibelbis made Oct 26 at 2023 10:45 AM

2023-10-26T10:45:39-04:00

Out of uniform, and no identifiers as a service member... Free Speech prevails.

In uniform... Well... that's a different story, and the soldier can explain himself to his chain of command... assuming he's able to speak after the Wall-to-Wall Counseling his senior NCOs are likely to administer.

Response by Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna made Nov 19 at 2023 1:15 AM

2023-11-19T01:15:00-05:00

Disrespectful!...
Wrong mind...
Wrong job!...
Wrong LOYALITY...

Response by SGT C Reed made Dec 1 at 2023 3:27 PM

2023-12-01T15:27:10-05:00

If they were on duty/active, I'd remind them that such protest is not allowed and ask them to reconsider their actions. If off duty/retired/etc, I'd ask why and then likely join them.

My oath (taken multiple times) was to uphold and protect the Constitution. Not to bow down to a piece of cloth or force others to worship it and other symbols. This isn't Iran, this isn't N. Korea. Our people are allowed to protest by right! This protest - whether we agree to the cause or not - is a greater symbol of true American freedom than any symbol. EVERY country on this earth has a special flag to wave and song to sing. So what? Only we have OUR Consitutionally protected rights - THAT is what makes us American.

Anyone who suggests we should attack or harm those exercising the basic right to protest is violating our Constitution, you know? The American Constitution and Bill of Rights? The one you supposedly took an oath to uphold.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2023 2:28 PM

2023-12-02T14:28:14-05:00

I would know that the service member was a devout Christian and that s/he is praying for our beloved country. Amen.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Dec 2 at 2023 6:07 PM

2023-12-02T18:07:00-05:00

Is there a regulation that states "a soldier in uniform should not kneel during the national anthem? There lies your answer. If a soldier is in formation and called to attention, he/she should remain at attention until called to parade rest or released.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Dec 2 at 2023 6:19 PM

2023-12-02T18:19:33-05:00

Not sure how I would handle it. In 23 years of service, deployed, stateside, active and guard, I never had a warrior do that.

Response by SSG Jerome Bailey made Dec 4 at 2023 6:06 AM

2023-12-04T06:06:19-05:00

Left unsaid but assuming the soldier was black.....(of course). Let the racism begin.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2023 3:23 PM

2023-12-04T15:23:36-05:00

Pretty easy question. Let them do what they want when they don’t represent the uniform. And then let all your colleagues and superiors know there is a pos in the unit so he never gets promoted

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Dec 22 at 2023 12:39 PM

2023-12-22T12:39:04-05:00

I would report him to his unit and write him/her up for disrespect. Semper Fi

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Jan 1 at 2024 12:30 AM

2024-01-01T00:30:33-05:00

In or out of uniform? On ir of post? I was only in the Army 10 years. I served in hospitals and aid stations, I can not rember the national anthem being played except for parades. I stand for the anthem even knowing the background I stand. If someone else sits or kneels I am not offended. What offends and scare me is seeing a confederate flag attached to the side of a pick up truck

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jan 1 at 2024 12:43 AM

2024-01-01T00:43:02-05:00

I would give him or her a assignment to read ARMY regulations on Salutes, Honors and Courtesy
answer the Five (W), Who, What, Where , When & Why on the history of the American Flag, & National Anthem.

have Him or Her explain why the Flag is covering his or her fellow service members coffins

How the Flag is to be position on His or Her Friends & fellow Service member Coffin and Why?

He or She is to give Training to all Military personal on the History, Customs and Courtesies on the American Flag & National Anthem .

for example explain why we have 13 strips,
why are they red and white?
why are the stars in a field of blue, and what does the stars stand for,
when would a star be added and why?

explain the rules for Military service members for Saluting the US Flag, and the rules for Saluting during the National Anthem .
then she can explain why he or she refused to Salute the flag during the National Anthem
if she says she hates this nation, have her or him explain why
then ask why he or she join the service to defend it?
if he or she says because this nation is Racist ,
have him or her do a Little Research on who started the civil war,
what party left the union to fight for the states right to keep slaves
what party fought to free slaves ?

I would explain, to Him or Her how we can help him or her get out of the service if that is what they desire .
Basically have her learn a little American History , about the National Anthem and the US Flag

Response by CN Dennis Stender made Jan 1 at 2024 1:00 PM

2024-01-01T13:00:50-05:00

Were they praying or protesting,are they in uniform or in civiys,all this grievance brought upon the nation by a lying traitor who is a delusional Draft dodger. I always stand,I took an oath which includes everyone.

Response by SSgt Roland Cooper made Jan 1 at 2024 4:04 PM

2024-01-01T16:04:17-05:00

Surprised to see what has become a very political question on this website. I agree with Maj. John Bell. I felt it was a privilege to be selected to serve on my USAF Base Honor Guard for 1 year during my enlistment.
It's unfortunate that former president Trump and the GOP have turned the Colin Kaepernick kneeling event into a political wedge issue to further divide our country. Colin's employer handled the behavior in the manner they saw fit.
On another point - something that really bugs me are American citizens who attach our flag to the back of their pick-up truck. The USA flags become overly tattered and torn and yet, they continue to dishonor our flag. I view this in same manner as destroying the flag. During the raid on our Capitol, you saw USA flags altered with funky colors, snakes, and military weaponry. The insurrectionists went so far as to strike Capitol Police with the flag and flagpole. I am curious to find out why citizens feel they can treat the flag in a manner that they feel is some sort of protest. What are they protesting by disrespecting our flag? I found the following statement regarding flag burning - "The majority of the Court, according to Justice William Brennan, agreed with Johnson and held that flag burning constitutes a form of "symbolic speech" that is protected by the First Amendment." So, was Colin Kaepernick exercising his first amendment rights of free speech? The insurrectionists were attaching tattered and torn flags to their truck, changing the flag colors and sewing objects to the flag. Were they exercising their 1st amendment rights?

Response by SSG James Knopp made Jan 2 at 2024 12:34 PM

2024-01-02T12:34:58-05:00

Off post and out of uniform, I would give him a pass. What they do on their own time is their prerogative. As long as their performance while in uniform is within the Military’s guidelines as a soldier.
Personally, if I was out of uniform and not making a spectacle of myself I would tell the person to take a hike.
As I would say to anyone if I wanted to wear a mask during the Covid outbreak and was approached and asked why I still wear a mask, I would tell them it’s my body my choice.

Response by LTC Thomas Riney made Jan 4 at 2024 3:18 PM

2024-01-04T15:18:38-05:00

Not acceptable anytime, or anywhere. When you lower the standard, it becomes the standard

Response by SPC Daniel Dresen made Jan 4 at 2024 8:00 PM

2024-01-04T20:00:54-05:00

What are the exact details? If this is strictly hypothetical... in uniform or identifying in ANY way as a member of the armed forces... is a foot in the rear appropriate for a first time counseling? If the soldier is off duty, in civilian attire, and is in no way representing their branch, unit, etc... and only advocating for personal beliefs... well, good on them. That's called exercising their right of free expression and it should be every soldier's duty to protect this right as they are not inciting violence (unlike another issue certain political parties embellish and protect).

Response by MSgt Tracey Ulanski made Jan 4 at 2024 8:41 PM

2024-01-04T20:41:42-05:00

I would ask him why he was even serving the flag he so openly disrespects

Response by Ronald Breen made Jan 5 at 2024 9:30 AM

2024-01-05T09:30:17-05:00

Bunch of Karens

It was someone in the military that recommended kneeling to begin with.

Response by TSgt Chuck Mankin made Jan 7 at 2024 10:18 AM

2024-01-07T10:18:21-05:00

Face kick!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2024 9:57 PM

2024-02-05T21:57:41-05:00

Personally if ur going to kneel during the national anthem u should be thrown out dishonorably. U are to respect this country and the things that represent it. If u cannot or refuse to do it you should not be getting a pay check as a protector of this country and its Constitution. And we took an oath to protecting this country and the constitution and I would say a soldier doing this kind of activity is showing they are not able to perform their oath and should be gone period. And personally they should also lose citizenship also and everything this country afforded them to ever have. They need to go find out what communism is really like And what all of the other ism's are really like.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Feb 5 at 2024 11:11 PM

2024-02-05T23:11:38-05:00

Push for a general court martial.

Response by Sgt Lelyn Minkel made Mar 9 at 2024 2:07 PM

2024-03-09T14:07:16-05:00

excerizing their right

Response by Sgt Lelyn Minkel made Mar 9 at 2024 2:10 PM

2024-03-09T14:10:55-05:00

nothing - excerizing a right

Response by SSgt Michael Anderson made Mar 22 at 2024 9:52 AM

2024-03-22T09:52:31-04:00

I would handle it the same way that I do when I observe people at sporting events laughing, joking, not taking off their hats, etc. during the National Anthem. I take off my hat, place my right hand over my heart, give everyone who is BS-ing an evil stare, and face the direction the music is coming from. If anyone has any questions, this is my way of showing how it's done! I never make a scene. I always ask people who are with me to do the same. I lead by example!

Response by SSgt Michael Anderson made Mar 22 at 2024 2:13 PM

2024-03-22T14:13:43-04:00

I would handle it the same way that I handle people at sporting events who BS around before a game, while the National Anthem is being played. I stand, take off my hat, place my right hand over my heart, and face in the direction the music is coming from. If I am engaged in conversation, I stop talking. Oh yeah, I also give disapproving looks to anyone that is not doing the same! I ask people who are with me to do what I do. My friends all know that I am a veteran, and that I would do the same even if I had never been in the military. I know that I cannot cause a scene and force people to do what I do, and I realize that it is a free country and it is not illegal to not show respect to our National Anthem. I don't always respect the people who run our country, but I do respect the offices that they hold. I will always respect our country. That's where I am coming from!

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Mar 23 at 2024 6:27 PM

2024-03-23T18:27:00-04:00

On duty. Off duty. Military or civilian. "I hope that you are down there on your knees
praying for those people who gave their lives to protect and defend this country whose anthem you are disrespecting. You worthless piece of excrement.

Response by SSgt Ron Simpson made Mar 24 at 2024 8:49 AM

2024-03-24T08:49:05-04:00

We did not give our most solumn oath to the National Anthem or the Flag. We gave it to Our Constitution.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Mar 24 at 2024 12:50 PM

2024-03-24T12:50:56-04:00

This post is now a year old however, i will throw my 2 cents in. MY SOLDIER that i was responsible for? In or out of uniform, We would be doing extra training until the approval for his Art. 15 came through. Someone else's Soldier I would gather all pertinent information Contact His/her COC right then in front of the Soldier. Then past the response from COC back to the Soldier then send them on there way Unless COC ask me to detain them.

Response by SPC Max Waller made Mar 28 at 2024 2:07 AM

2024-03-28T02:07:46-04:00

"a man must know His limitations" Dirty Harry Callahan - that soldier who is kneeling is practicing freedom in a manner that harms nobody, so everybody needs to mind their own business - 11:06 pm Pacific DayLight Savings Time on Wednesday, 27 March 2024 on a leap year

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Apr 3 at 2024 7:49 PM

2024-04-03T19:49:45-04:00

Well.... (a big sigh and shaking my head). The squad leader in me wants to take you to the woodline and conduct instant training. As a take a step back and think and this is what I came up with. Out of uniform you can do almost what you (within reason) if that means not kneeling so be it. Your choice right (I'm OK with that. I don't agree but ok) in uniform you have no choice but stand and present ARMS. The only time you kneel is when you pass out cause you locked your knees and even then maybe. Just think about it this way. If the "injustice" is sooo bad why did you join the military knowing THAT ALL BRANCHES will support and defend the constitution (the flag) against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. The problems in the US has nothing to do with playing the national anthem. For 1min and 19secs you mean to tell me you can't stand? You don't even have to sing along with it. I personally get tired of hearing the national anthem played at sporting events and events where (in my opinion) shouldn't be played however for the min or so I stand and tune it out and life is good. While in uniform I heard it I saluted and carried on. You go do that not standing stuff in other countries and see how fast you survive. If America is that bad of a country where you can't stand or just put your hand over your heart for a min and 19 secs then why not apply to a different country and become a citizen there. Look at the opportunities that ALL AMERICANS and citizens have vs other countries and for the sort time for a long that is played you can't stand or put your hand over your heart. It's that difficult to do? Maybe you should look at yourself and reevaluate your values and what it means to be an American citizen.

Response by MSgt Mark Willsey made Apr 7 at 2024 10:44 PM

2024-04-07T22:44:12-04:00

I WOULD FALLOW Maj John Bell's statement. I MY SELF REFUSE TO BE WOKE! I ALSO BELIEVE, EITHER LOVE THIS COUNTRY, OR LEAVE IT. IF YOU ARE A TRUE PATRIOT, IF YOU TRULY LOVE THIS COUNTRY, DON'T BE AFRAID TO (STAND ) AND SAY SO! GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY ON GODS GREEN EARTH AND TRY TO FIND THE LIBERTY'S YOU HAVE HERE! THE RIGHTS YOU HAVE HERE, THE FREEDOM YOU HAVE HERE! YOU WONT! IVE BEEN TO EVERY CONTINENT ON THIS PLANET, SOME COME CLOSE, BUT "NONE" EQUAL THE U.S.A.! GO THERE AND COMPLAIN, SEE WHAT HAPPENS. ILL BE AT THE GATE, AS YOU BEG TO GET BACK IN! GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! I HOPE I HAVENT MADE TO MANY UPSET WITH ME. I'M 65 NOW, TO OLD TO TEACH NEW TRICKS. GOD BLESS, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Apr 26 at 2024 10:28 PM

2024-04-26T22:28:53-04:00

First of all I would ask that soldier if they were having a dizzy spell, or praying during the national anthem. Some do that in the quiet of their heart. It gives then strength. I would then ask them to stand up and pray, or go see the doctor after the anthem was finished.