How would you handle an AGR Soldier who doesn't listed to their M-Day chain of command?

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:24:09 -0400

As a Reservist, it's hard to keep in touch with your soldiers at all times; thankfully my section sergeant, my CO and I talk on a daily basis by email. That being said, I have a young NCO who is AGR; she failed a record APFT and wanted to re take with her AGR unit. Myself and my section sergeant told her no that she would have to wait at least 30 days but had up to 90 to retake (according to the regs). However during the work week my CO contacted me and told me that this young NCO sent a new APFT score card from her unit that she is a AGR for on 3 days later. We handled this situation, but I want to see what other leadership would have done

FYSA: she has done this before and was verbally counseled

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2014 7:32 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:32:12 -0400

Sir, I am truly at a loss for words. So many thoughts, so little time.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2014 1:03 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:03:35 -0400

Generally the AGR staff for my unit take their PT test at battalion or at least the Readiness NCO will then he will test the other two take turns I know they dont shortcut though I worked ADOS and Fed Tech at the unit and also had taken one with them before multiple times and I was never graded so strict than any other time since I enlisted but the Readiness NCO was prior AD and was an instructor for RIP and does every thing by the book as much as possible. As for your situation I would accept the scores but still make her take another one for record and if she fails imput it in to DTMS and flag her

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Feb 23 at 2016 3:58 PM

LTC Thomas Tennant — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:58:33 -0500

You have not given me enough information to advise. As an "Old UA" and later Senior Mil Tech, I can say the devil is in the details. I would also say that leadership boils down to establishing relationships....regardless if the Soldier is TPU, AGR, MilTech or AC. If you do not have a solid relationship with the Soldier, you ability to lead that Soldier is shaky.
My questions are:
1. Are you in her direct chain of command/supervision?
2. If she is not in your chain, why didn't she take the APFT with her unit of assignment?
3. Is she on her "first tour" and has she been counseled that her first tour is probationary in nature?
4. Since this is not her first APFT failure where are the written counseling?
Now, since apparently your CO has already "handled" the situation, as a former BC, I would be asking both you and your CO what are your action plans to better lead this Soldier. If not addressed soon, failure to address these behavior issues only hurt the AGR Program as a whole. Do not pass a problem on to the next command assignment. Final point, document, document, document....if only to protect yourself form any nefarious allegations.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2016 9:21 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 May 2016 21:21:44 -0400

Sir, from what I can gather from the above you have a more serious issue on your hands than just the APFT.

There is only one chain of command. A Company Commander who is in TPU status is the Commander period. The same goes for 1SGs, PLs, and PSGs. There is only one Chain of Command and NCO Support Channel and its comprised of Reservists in TPU and AGR status, both status' in one chain.

The Soldier works for the unit they are assigned to period. If the Soldier is assigned to your unit then they are your Soldier. Reference the Unit Manning Roster (UMR) you can see the paragraph and line numbers and that the position is coded for AGR.

Something is not right here.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2016 9:28 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 May 2016 21:28:58 -0400

Sir, unfortunately, this is nothing new and actually quite common. I suspect it is an APFT card that reflects dreams instead of actual events. First, she was told she had to wait 30 days. This Soldier does not tell her First Line Leader what she will do - it is the other way around. Counseling - with points of disobeying an order and the Fairytale APFT card - which is useful to know she is ready at the 30 day mark to retest for a record APFT.