How would you motivate a Soldier, NCO that is just not willing to learn and just does not care??

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Response by SGM Mike Barbieri made Feb 18 at 2016 8:32 PM

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The V-up...

Response by MAJ Rene De La Rosa made Feb 18 at 2016 8:33 PM

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The first to clarify is what is the potential issue or problem. There are three real reasons for problems: family, work, or monetary issues. There is a serious problem when all three converge together. Try to empathasize with the person and find out the real reason they have fallen into the "I don't care" realm.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 8:33 PM

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That's the question of the century. I have a learned that a little autonomy and short goal setting with purpose does help. Not a panacea but it can work.

Response by SGM Mike Barbieri made Feb 18 at 2016 8:35 PM

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Really, you have to find out the root problem. Why are they apathetic? If you can help the Soldier with the root cause of their issue, you can help them back on the path to success. Keep in mind that the are folks that simply don't want help. In that case, you can help them transition.

Response by SFC Justin Scott made Feb 18 at 2016 8:36 PM

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Depends. Is this a recent development or the way the individual has been since leaving AIT?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 8:44 PM

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I think he cares otherwise why keeping showing up. Empower him put him in charge of small missions then bigger mission and over time maybe he will start to enjoy what he is doing again. Or maybe its time for a change of duty station or unit if guard. I agree with the other got to to get to the root of their issue.

Response by SSG Ronald Colwell made Feb 18 at 2016 8:45 PM

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I am assuming this SGT is a team leader, sit down with him/her, away from the company environment, discuss things with, don't yell and call them dirtbags, etc. really get to the root of the problem, maybe financial, family, etc. maybe someone in the team is giving a hard time. Could be depression, to many deployments. You job is to help, take him/her to a counselor, don't be a buddy buddy, just get him/her back on track. Always give the respect to let them try and find the solution, just guide to the right path

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 9:01 PM

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Well SSG, lead by example, be, know, do. Provide purpose, direction and motivation and finally a little bit of coaching, counseling and mentoring. With these simple steps you will achieve greatness.

p.s remember 0630 at the gym tomorrow morning for APFT.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 18 at 2016 9:04 PM

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I would ask why is he so damn lethargic?

Response by SSG Skylur Britz made Feb 18 at 2016 9:06 PM

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If it's a NCO, frankly I would f*ck him up it's his job to care. That being said I would check and see if it's because of some personal problems before I jumped on his ass. If it's just because they're lazy motivation thru extracurricular activities.

Response by SSG Jesse Cheadle made Feb 18 at 2016 9:53 PM

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If this is new behavior for the individual and 1 on 1 needs to take place and identify any issues that may be going on.
It could also be a case of burnout. If thats the case talk them into leave. If its short timers syndrome, tell them you can expeditite that process.
Lastly, Paperwork. I would counsel the hell outta him and see of there is any possible chance at rehabilitating the Soldier. If not, send a papertrail up to the CSM and CDR for UCMJ. Seriously though, make them aware of the SMA's priorities for 2016. Troops are being cut and only the best will make it. If they are dead weight then they need to put that weight on someone else in a different capacity. Not as a Soldier.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 9:56 PM

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It's called assertive communication get with your MRT to find out more about how to prepare. Start with getting to know them on a personal level and that may lead to some indications of what they care about. To truly motivate someone you need to tie in to something they intrisicly value on a basic human level. Something is wrong if they are a leader and don't want to learn. For a simplified example:.... Say if your child doesn't want to clean there room. Fist you have to undstand that you may have belief that your child's messy room reflects bad on you and is disrespectful to you. First you have to ask yourself are you being too rigid? If the answer is no then continue. Next ask your child what they think about there room and why. Your probably not going to like the answer but listen to there rational any try to put yourself in their shoes. Find out what they value and try to tie what you expect to there value. So your child values say, going to the movies with friends. Now explain how you feel about a clean room, and how it makes you feel when it's not clean. Agree on an arandment that allows both party's to get what they value. Then tie it to what they value if they do what's agreed upon. Many leadership lessons can be applied at work and at home. You may find out at the end of the day that you are ok with letting your child relax on the weekends, and keep there room clean during the week. Also discuss what should happen when they don't do what was mutually agreed upon and how to get back on track. You must care about them as a person they can tell if it's not sincere. Good luck! The fact that you care and are asking for help is a good first step. Keep it up.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Feb 18 at 2016 10:01 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member Do some back ground checking on your Soldiers. If this is a new way that they are acting there is more than likely a reason for it other than laziness. Talk and listen to them and show that you give a shit about any possible problems.

Great question BTW.

Response by SFC Richard Lee made Feb 18 at 2016 10:02 PM

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If they're no motivated now, they never will be, give them their walking papers and mentor someone that wants to be there.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 10:09 PM

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Reclass from MP.haha? Just kidding.
I've always done incresed responsibility....and not always the glamours ones.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 1:14 AM

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Lethargy has many sources, and like the other answers here I concur that you need to ascertain the source of the problem in order to attempt to help the Soldier.
There are things that you can do to help him shake the funk.
Try asking for his help with a project or job you are working on. He'll be doing something productive, and it allows a forum to maybe do a temperature check.
I'll bet that there is trouble at home.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 6:38 AM

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Tell them you'll get reclassified into another MOS...Mud Puppy's don't usually love being told by Top that he'll just drop you off at the Infantry or Cav Quads. See how they like it there! Loved the 70's & 80's Army leaders; they'd call you out for acting like a civie!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 6:47 AM

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With the way the Army has gone we as leaders must find more constructive ways to help our soldiers. Where as a good smoking session would have gotten a soldier straight now we must sit and talk to them 'peel back the onion' With all the deployments and such todays soldiers are less caring about physical fitness as a method of corrective actions. Take the soldier for a meal or a buddy run where you can chat. Find out what is driving this soldier to behave this way. It may take some but if this soldier trust you as their leader they will eventually open up so a solution can be found. Also make sure you are using counseling as well. Not just when a soldier does something wrong. You can use a DA 4856 for good things not just negative. If you find your efforts arent working then get the chain of command involved the soldier may need proffessional therapy. But dont give on him/her. Remember our CREED!!!!

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 19 at 2016 7:40 AM

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Start by discovering is your Soldier, 1, 2, 3 or 4 and why..

1:Willing and Able
2:Willing and unable
3:Unwilling and Able
4:Unwilling and Unable
The first two deserve and have earned a leaders time.
The last two have earned a wake up call and given a choice to make quickly.. after that, you can mentor them and assist in there transition out of the service.
The military is going to get smaller, that is FACT.. So there is no place for 3 & 4

Response by SSG Marvin Vick made Feb 19 at 2016 8:32 AM

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FIRST OFF...WAS HE ALWAYS THAT WAY? OR DID HE/SHE SUDDENLY START SHOWING SIGNS OF LACK OF INTEREST? THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION WILL DICTATE THE ANSWER TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 8:46 AM

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Throughout my career I have had some great leaders and really down right nasty ones. To me there are two types of leaders: 1) do as I say don't do as I do. I found that I am not a fan of this philosophy. Got it that these individuals got to where they are because of hard work. But some tend not remember what it is like to be lower enlisted. The 2nd one is one I like. The follow me I find is better approach. Show that Soldier that you are willing to go down and do whatever it takes to get the job done together. You will earn their respect a lot faster and you should see an improvement. For example I had a SGM that was a great leader one that even helped other units unpack the duffel bags and later help a private install a satellite dish for communications. To me that is inspirational. His last jump I was on his stick. When he stood on the ramp and yelled "follow me" I couldn't help,but think to myself "to gates of hell SGM". Be that leader and you will get the respect you need that you deserve and you will get the troop that you want.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 9:50 AM

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Find out why they are not willing to learn and not caring anymore. In order to fix the problem, you must find the problem.

Response by SSG Sean Honea made Feb 19 at 2016 10:00 AM

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Sometimes explaining the big picture helps. We do it this way because etc. However some times they are too far gone to reach.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 11:35 AM

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Talk with the NCO to find out what the problem is. If the SM refuses to learn still after the talking then start a paper trail. Normally this will wake the sm up to act right and do what's right .

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 19 at 2016 11:51 AM

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"Escalate their self-interest"

The trick is finding out what they care about. That takes "investigation" (listening) and knowing your folks.

If someone doesn't care, the way you make them care is by making something else more painful/difficult/tedious/etc than caring. Sometimes we do things because we want to. Sometimes we do things because we don't want to do the alternative. Both are valid means of motivation.

As an example. "As soon as soon as we finish Motor Pool, we're done for the day!" or "If we don't finish Motor Pool, we'll be here all night!" (same end result, different approaches to motivation).

Response by SFC Dean Murdock made Feb 19 at 2016 12:47 PM

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I am going to go back a few years and refer to something that was called SGT's Time and Under the Oak Tree counseling. It refers to everything that has been mentioned and for some of the newer Soldiers today, I will explain, Under the Oak Tree Counseling was done during SGT's time before SGT's time became part of the Weekly Training Schedule. A Squad Leader or Section Leader would have his Squad/Section sign out their weapons or gather First Aide kits and their Smart books, go find a tree for shade, and conduct hi pocket training, or have a weapons class on cleaning and function of all squad weapons. During this time, the Squad/Section Leader would get on a personal level with their soldiers, how is the family? How are you? If we were overseas (Germany or Korea) we would ask how was the family back home? Not just ask the question to ask it, but truly listen to their response. The other members may be feeling or have dealt with the same issues and have some insight. After the end of the 5 hours or so you have accomplished three things, 1. Conducted some good leader subordinate training and proficiency. 2. Got to know your Soldiers a little more and them see your compassionate side. 3. Create and strengthen the camaraderie of your Squad/Section. This will also allow you to identify any serious problems that may require a little more privacy and one on one time to ensure your Soldiers are both Mentally and Physically fit. Just some Old fashion NCODP from an old Retired SFC point of view. Some of the old stuff still works. Good Luck, keep leading form the front.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 2:24 PM

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Councilings and bullets on ncoers

Response by SFC Bryson Amaral made Feb 19 at 2016 3:34 PM

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Talk to him, as a person who cares both as a leader and mentor, find out what is the problem? Is it personal? Professional? Are you as the squad leader a problem the Soldier. Remember you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink p as an NCO we give soldiers the mentorship and leadership and all the things they need to succeed. It is up to him to take the first step to reach for your hand. Wall to wall counseling might work but it is not as effective as it was long ago and the repercussions could be detrimental to your career, so don't do that lol. Use counseling statements and NCO support channel. Counsel the soldier on his deficiencies at least you have a paper trail that if he does not change I'm sorry maybe the Army is not for him and you can use your accounting statements as a paper trail to get him out of the army. But if I were you I would do all you can both professionally and personally to help him I only say this because once before I was a screw up and didn't care and I had a damn good NCO that would not give up on me and eventually I saw the light. Good luck brother. Remember our solemn duty as prescribed in the NCO creed, the accomplishment of our mission and the welfare of our soldiers.

Response by SSG Mark Metzler made Feb 19 at 2016 3:43 PM

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Well, the military in general is a performance based system. You assign the tasks he needs to complete, & document his progress. If he continually falls you can non-judicial action, or send him/her to counseling to get his head straight. With weekly one on ones, you should taking his good points, as well as bad. This will also aid in deciding a course of action to take. Something else, discover his likes & dislikes, maybe set some goals relating to them. Good luck.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 3:50 PM

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Get with your MRT, we have skills for soldiers like that... Detect icebergs, Avoid TT, HTGS, assertive communication.... To name a few...

Response by SSG John Caples made Feb 20 at 2016 11:06 AM

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First off, get to know SM , see what the real problems are, he/she is facing, communicate with that person, ask about his or here goals, while in the military , why, he /she joined. Some of the best soldier's I had were like that, they became good leaders, thee are no bad soldier's just bad leadership.

Response by SGM (R) Antonio Brown made Feb 20 at 2016 12:17 PM

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Find out what is the cause of this behavior. When the layers are peeled back the Individual may have some issues that cause the behavior. At which time the leader and send the Individual to the proper angency. Example: As a 1SG, I had a Soldier who was unmotivated and trouble managing his weight. I pulled the Soldier in and we talked about family and serving in the military. The Soldier told me about his family and his fiance. That is when he revealed to me all of his personal issues. This Soldier could not focus on what he needed to do in the Army because he spent every second thinking about the mountain of issues he had to deal with. I told the Soldier that I needed him to get his weight under control and we will get him help with that. We came up with a plan to help the Soldier with his mountain of issues. The Soldier ETSed from the Army and married his fiance. We keep in touch and sent me pictures of his new youngin. I wished that he could have stayed in the Army but the reality was in order for his plan to be successful he had to get out.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 5:37 AM

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By rewarding them with a nice chapter. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Response by SGT Brent Cann made Feb 23 at 2016 5:55 AM

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Everyone can be motivated. You just have to find what that motivation factor is. It takes personal time and energy of course. Remember the 3 types of Motivation? Self Motivation, External Positive Motivation and Demotivation (External Negative Motivation). Plan your strategies around these 3 possibilities. Back in my day though, it was Go or No Go. Shit or get off the pot mindset. Oh how times change. Anyway, I hope I helped a little. Have fun.

Response by SSG Richard Stevens made Feb 23 at 2016 6:11 AM

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They should not be an NCO. If you can't lead you than you don't need to be a leader.

Response by SGT Sean Lynch made Feb 23 at 2016 7:50 AM

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Have the soldier on remedial PT. Subsequently, inform them that can separated for noncompliance.

Response by SSG Michael Scott made Feb 23 at 2016 8:00 AM

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Do a AAR with the soldier, Developmental Counseling, Refer to a Chaplin, Look at past NCOERS, take the Spiritual Assessment, Physical Remedial Training, possible counseling.

Response by MSG Don H. made Feb 23 at 2016 8:00 AM

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It would depend on two things; what their MOS is currently and what their plans are for their military and after the military? Some Army career fields do have a skill set that transfers to civilian job market, some do not. I had a co-worker that thought he was going to leave his job and become a police officer based on his MP training, he was very disheartened when he learned that no law enforcement agency would accept his MP training and that he would have to apply to attend the police academy.

If the soldier plans to staying in and make the Army a career, explain that with the draw down in end strength, that his/her retain-ability would depend on his qualifications including his education. simply being MOSQ isn't enough for the long haul, especially if he wants to go beyond E-5 or E-6. Having spoken to several CSMs to get promoted to E-7, having an associates degree is almost an unwritten rule; and promotion to E-8 requires a Bachelors. If the soldiers thinks they can ride the wave, ask them what do you think will happen to the Army if Hilary or Bernie become President.

If the soldier is combat arms or say 12B or ADA, show them the civilian jobs that their MOS qualifies them for and the pay for those jobs and hopefully they see that security guard or greeter at Wal-Mart pays crap and that they need to get off their ass, if they don't want to be "living in van down by the river" If they still don't care provide them with the telephone numbers for homeless Veteran hotlines because that is where they are heading.
https://www.onetonline.org/crosswalk/MOC/ is a good place to show them what jobs that could get on the civilian side, but you have to look at the job requirement as far as experience and education go, an E-4 MP is not going to leave the Army and become a police officer the next day, same for a lot of Army MOSs

Military Crosswalk Search

Select a branch:Air Force (AFSC)Army (MOS)Coast Guard (Ratings)Marine Corps (MOS)Navy (Ratings)Examples: 0963, radio chief

Response by SSG Eric Trace made Feb 23 at 2016 8:12 AM

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If you have tried all the coventional methods (Really Tried) to no avail, answer is simple he/she no longer needs to be an NCO.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 8:24 AM

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Have him ACAP, when he has completed ACAP go on My Pay and pull his personal statement of military compensation (PSMC). Divide his basic military compensation by 12. Now have him research and see what jobs he can get making what he does every month in the Army. Sometimes the reality of the flip side situation could bring him back into reality. That PSMC is a good tool to have, having a soldier print it out and fill out the blanks sometimes really makes them think and see how good they have it. Just my opinion and how I would handle it. Have a blessed day.

Response by MSG Robert Mills made Feb 23 at 2016 8:45 AM

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Depending on the exact issue and cause of the issue, a good old fashion dusting off might be in order, followed by a counseling session, then a relief for cause, then chapter. pretty simple 1+2+3+4+5= cannot be helped, retrained or otherwise dont waste your time, either fix it or fix it, and yes you can make them care in numerous ways, another way is good ole fashion UCMJ take half of his money for a couple months. Also remember helping soldiers is not telling them what they want to hear. Now now be careful because you might get all these ass hurt liberals that want a kinder more politically correct method or soft approach like a massage or maybe help him wash his hair in the shower or something but hey DO YOUR JOB. At the risk of being labled "toxic leader" which is a coined term from a bunch of sniveling fucktards that spend to much time and army money screwing around being to damn nice to a bunch of people that usually know what they signed up for in the first place dont worry about hurting any feelings and just figure out a way to solve the problem, or it will become your problem. Further if you take your business in front of the CDR, or 1SG be ready to accept that you can not handle it, and find other employment yourself, there are very few problems a NCO cannot solve, so your either a NCO or a Sergeant the good part is you get to pick which one you want to be. You have every resource to solve it, just pick a few and go with it.

Response by SFC John Kraft made Feb 23 at 2016 8:49 AM

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I would first sit down with him/her alone and ask that NCO look I see you got this I just don't give a hoot attitude, now I need to know what is going on with you no matter if it's personal or what ever. If they disclose what is going on then try to give advice and how to solve the problem, but if its a marriage and or money problem then I would counsel them on paper and tell the soldier he/she have a set time limit to fix it and start performing like an NCO should or you will take action in order to either reduce him/her back to specialist or give him/her to the 1sg. Being in the Infantry and Platoon Sergeant/1sg I personally did not have the time to baby sit or to wait until an NCO of mine was ready to snap out of what ever attitude he was displaying, I counsel him on paper first and tell him to get his act together very quickly or I will help you to become a civilian again. The lower enlisted soldiers see this and they talk about it and will take advantage on this NCO that is not performing to the standards that is expected of him. For I been to combat, Desert Storm and I did not have the time to look after an NCO that was not performing because I have more then just one soldier to worry about, and for an NCO that is in the mode of I don't care and or not willing to learn more of about being a professional NCO then I got to get rid of the dead weight. Soldiers lives depends on the NCOs to train and teach them to stay alive and to eliminate the enemy!!! I personally would not wait for this NCO to get his/her act together for I can see if this NCO was trying to make an effort and all then I would help him/her out but if there is no effort on that soldiers behalf then the boot he gets!!!

Response by SFC Jeff "Audie Murphy" Bishop made Feb 23 at 2016 8:52 AM

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Has the NCO's attitude been this way since day 1 or have you noticed this as a change in there behavior? If you noticed a change in there behavior then you know something has happened in there life that caused this and they need help. If the NCO has been this way since you have known them, it could be as easy as mentoring them out of it or as difficult as they are un-teachable, a know-it all. There is no room military leadership for someone who is un-teachable.

Response by PO1 Ron Clark made Feb 23 at 2016 9:11 AM

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Some not going to agree with me, but first motivation a page 13 service record entry, second the big chicken dinner (BCD), with two conflicts going on overseas, extra time moddy coddling does not the unit meet their training/qualification goals, time is of the very essence!

Response by SSG William Rhodes made Feb 23 at 2016 9:31 AM

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Over the years, I learned empathy is a great tool to understand a persons actions or inactions. One of the first questions I would try to find out would be what kind of soldier was he prior to his recent performance and causes affecting it. Such as a family problems, personal problems, medical problems, etc. Counsel the soldier and if you are able to pinpoint the cause towards his behavior and attitude, then you might be able to motivate that soldier or even refer him to someone who can help him. Now there are times that not matter what you do won't help to turn that soldier around and at that point is probably better for unit integrity for the chain of command to take whatever action necessary to fix the problem.

Response by SSG John McGrory made Feb 23 at 2016 9:58 AM

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You may laugh at this, It has worked for me. Or I should say did. Council him on his problems. when done. Tell him you are going to have to call his parents! this can not be a bluff, have his parents home phone in hand and if need be start dialing. This worked on a couple of hard cases. be willing to do what is needed.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 9:59 AM

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One on one counseling, plan of action to improve and agreed upon by leader and soldier, outline consequences grounded in policy and regulations.

Response by SMSgt Cary Baker made Feb 23 at 2016 10:09 AM

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Most people do not want to fail - they want to succeed and advance in their career's as much as the next guy. I would first find out if something is going on in this individuals life that's leading to this behavior. Second, you must make every effort to help, retrain, motivate, etc. this individual. And finally, if nothing works and he/she doesn't care - help them transition into civilian life.

Response by CSM Carlson C. made Feb 23 at 2016 10:14 AM

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There are a lot of correct and good comments on this thread, but I'll add mine... At the absolute bottom line, we are all people. There are psychological, emotional, environment, financial, family and a plethora of other possible reasons that Soldiers close down. Leaders have to hold the standard but also realize that at times you have to understand what is the cause of the issues and find the help that is needed to address the problems that Soldiers are going through. If you have a Soldier that just doesn't care, then hopefully the paper trail and counselings that have come along the way with the individual show that the leader attempted his or her due diligence in attempting to reach out and help the Soldier. At the last resort, the individual may need to be removed from service but, the leader must be able to say to themselves that, all reasonable and needed measures were done to help. If you just write the Troop off, you as a leader are part of the problem.

Be involved, ask questions, know your Soldiers, know their situations. Know them and counsel them.

Response by SFC Martin Applegate made Feb 23 at 2016 10:14 AM

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Motivating soldiers is one of the main jobs of a Non-Commissioned Officer. You spend over 70 % of your time and effort with this type of soldier because they always want to do the minimum. i think initial and subsequent counselling is the answer. You set out specific goal s tied to money and you can usually get the attention of any soldier. Tell them what you expect and if after 30 days they don't perform counsel them accordingly. Tell them that repeated poor performance could affect their promotions (pocketbook), as you will request they dont get promoted (the first three promotions are automatic) by submitting paperwork to stop there next pay raise. If that does not get their attention remember that a soldier who refuses to train can be chapetered out if in under 6 months. Sometimes you just have to let them go. Keep applying pressure and negative consequences to poor performance and insentives and promotion for good behavior. They will get the message or go nowhere in their career, its their choice. I took a soldier like you are speaking about from Private to SFC by this method. He was married and needed the money, I told him if he did what I asked he would get every promotion ahead of time and that worked, his entire attitude changed.

Response by MSgt Gary Hinkelman made Feb 23 at 2016 10:38 AM

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You put your foot in their a$$. Then you show them the door. This is to the unemployment line.

We are in the military for a greater purpose. This NCO is hurting everyone and using up the time of others. Move them on out.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 11:01 AM

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I've always sat them down and asked if they had issues. If it just a matter of not wanting to be there I show them all their benefits, pay, and retirement. For example if you retire at 20 years and live to be 68 you'll collect over a million dollars in retirement. The medical can't be beat anywhere in the country and we get paid pretty competitively. So what are his/her options on the outside? If they continue down the same path where will they be and what will they be doing in a year?

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 11:05 AM

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Counsel him. Let him know that he is not meeting the expectations that one would have of an NCO and guide him. Show him how to be an NCO and supervise him to see if he is performing as he should. If that doesn't work, you may have to take his rank. If someone doesn't want to act like an NCO, then they shouldn't be an NCO.

Response by SgtMaj Thomas Tomlin made Feb 23 at 2016 11:24 AM

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Initially a Low Key counselling should be done. Ask few questions and let the soldier answer in his
way. Do not interrupt him/her. Allow them to speak as long as they wish, this will allow them to become more comfortable and realize that you are really interested in their well being. Listen for repeats of any problems/circumstances and gently question these points. If there is something that canbe done immediately to assist them, do it. Do not promise the soldier something that you can not do for them. Close the counselling session by explaining to the soldier their potential and how they can reach it. Be sure to get any additional assistance required and continue to follow up with the soldier. This may take several sessions on your part, but you can determine the underlying problem that may be causing this attitude.

Response by SFC David J Jenkins made Feb 23 at 2016 11:35 AM

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One would want to ask if his/her attitude is a reflection of the culture that exists, or if they have the potential to disrupt the existing culture. Is it a leadership issue? If the unit culture doesn't support the NCOs behavior and the leadership is not in question, then one should have a talk with the NCO and find out what "their" issue is. Be prepared to hear the truth from their perspective and be prepared to act in such a way as to solve any existing problems. It may just be that they are not a fit and need to be re-assigned.

Response by CMSgt Lloyd French made Feb 23 at 2016 11:38 AM

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I agree with the SGM and MAJ...but it is easy to say "find out the root of the problem" but knowing how and where to look is the challenge. You can bet the root of the problem lies in something physiological, sense of safety (employment, resources, morality, family, health, property), or self-esteem (confidence, achievement, respect of (and by) others). These can be intensely personal areas to explore, so confidentiality may be an overarching need. If you cannot get the person to open up, I strongly urge you to send the person to a mental health professional. That is a benefit the member has earned and it may be the first best step to resolving a potentially down-hill spiral. What you described sounds like clinical depression, but only a mental healthcare professional can diagnose that condition.

Response by SGT Jay Ehrenfeld made Feb 23 at 2016 11:39 AM

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You can't unless they want it for themselves all as n NCO can do it just fobthr best with the soldier

Response by SGT Alfina Hopkins-Wasnuk made Feb 23 at 2016 11:46 AM

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When is the last time you just sat down talked with him, not as NCO to NCO but brother to brother? I find sometimes people just want a ear to bend. I understand you are are leader, but sometimes they just need someone to listen to them. As arren NCO you are not just their leader but their psychiatrist, (friend). This may seem a bit much but when there isn't anyone else that will listen, you are their last line of defense.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 11:58 AM

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I agree SGM, Fantastic Answer!!!!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 12:07 PM

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The first thing to do when solving a problem, is first to define the problem. Have an informal sit down, off the record, and try to find out what's up with him/her. From there on out, if he/she still can't get with it, start documenting with counseling reports. Try your best, but some people just can't be saved, and his/her attitude could affect the whole squad/'platoon.

The key is documentation if it comes disciplinary proceeding. Cover your butt, Always keep the door open when counseling, and have a witness present for females. No offense to the females out there, but I speak from experience. Things can get turned around when personnel actions are at stake.

Response by SGT Paul Melendez made Feb 23 at 2016 12:12 PM

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The root cause can be found in the "why" and not on the "how". You will need to know why is the NCO acting that way....issues with family, lack of self esteem, PTSD, alcohol, or maybe the NCO might need a change of career. Once you understand the "why" then you can build on the "how" to motivate the Soldier.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 12:14 PM

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Get creative. Ask some senior NCOs. I am sure that they can help, based on the situation. I have more games than Milton Bradley.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 12:15 PM

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With a chapter

Response by CPO Dave Berube made Feb 23 at 2016 12:23 PM

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1. Listen and understand objections
a. A critical step any manager should take when creating desire to change is to listen.
b. In many cases employees simply want to be heard and to voice their objections.
c. Understanding these objections can often provide a clear path toward resolution.
d. Listening can also help managers identify misunderstandings about the change.

2. Focus on the “what”, let go of the “how”
a. For some types of changes, it is effective for managers to let go of the "how" and simply communicate "what" needs to change (focus on outcomes).
b. This process transfers ownership of the solution to employees.
c. Employee involvement and ownership naturally builds desire to support the change.

3. Remove Barriers
a. Barriers may relate to family, personal issues, physical limitations or money.
b. Fully understand the individual situation with this employee. What may appear to be resistance or objections to the change may be disguised barriers that the employee cannot see past.
c. Identify the barriers clearly and determine ways that the business may be able to address these barriers.

4. Provide simple, clear choices and consequences
a. Building desire is ultimately about choice.
b. Managers can facilitate this process by being clear about the choices employees have during change.
c. Communicate in simple and clear terms what the choices and consequences are for each employee.
d. By providing simple and clear choices along with the consequences of those choices, you can put the ownership and control back into employee’s hands

Response by SFC Charles Miller made Feb 23 at 2016 12:26 PM

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Here is a quote that I have always found helpful. This author has lots more insights:

"This pattern is what we call the progress principle: of all the positive events that influence inner work life, the single most powerful is progress in meaningful work; of all the negative events, the single most powerful is the opposite of progress—setbacks in the work. We consider this to be a fundamental management principle: facilitating progress is the most effective way for managers to influence inner work life.
A consistent amount of minor success produces much more happiness than occasionally bagging an elephant."

Harvard’s Teresa Amabile‘s research found that nothing is more motivating than progress.
Via The Progress Principle: Using Small Wins to Ignite Joy, Engagement, and Creativity at Work:

Response by MSgt Roger Lalik made Feb 23 at 2016 12:27 PM

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First we have to remember that we, the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force Coast Guard are NOT a psychiatric service. It's not our job to fix mental/emotional issues. Nor issues from the environment said person grew up in. It is out job to protect our citizens and our country. With extreme violence when called upon to provide that protection. Mission is job #1.

Now, that's not to say that a good leader shouldn't attempt to salvage an otherwise good member.

There's more than one problem here. I have always said, you have to look at how this person became an NCO. Remember, their welfare. Even their lives if you are in a combat arms related field, of all the other men and women under your charge are at stake. Remove him/her. Make them a civilian. Let the civilian world handle his problems and try to fix him. You don't have the skill skill set to fix them. And if you pass them along in rank. Then you are the problem.

Don't make excuses for a members unsatisfactory performance or attitude. If it's minor, fix it. If it's someone who has just been passed along so previous commands didn't have to deal with the problem. Discharge them.

You deserve the very best this country has to offer standing next to you in times of war. Your country deserves the very best defending her. If you don't handle them and one of your subordinates dies because this one didn't/wouldn't do their job. That's on you pal...

That's my story and I'm sticking to it..... :)

Response by SSgt Stephen Lindsey made Feb 23 at 2016 12:30 PM

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First determine if this individual is worth the effort and how his/her attitude affects the morale and performance of your unit. Document, document, document. Refer to professional counseling if warranted, but keep your superiors informed. Anyone who is not willing to learn and simply doesn't care could very well jeopardize a mission and/or put lives at risk. At some point this particular individual may have to be motivated out the front gate. I have been in similar situation and was forced to write paper on a friend, but it ultimately saved his career. To my surprise he called me a couple of years after I left the Air Force and "thanked me" for initiating punitive action. His turn-around resulted in a promotion to SSgt. The bottom line is NCO's and Officers do not take pleasure in taking disciplinary action against their subordinates, however, they have a responsibility to ensure their units remain mission ready and expect (demand) all personnel perform accordingly.

Response by MSG Carl Clark made Feb 23 at 2016 12:42 PM

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In steps:
1. Take a walk/hike with the soldier, talk with him/her, find out what is important to them, what makes them tick, discover any problems, beliefs that are limiting factors in their performance. Often times leaders do not get to really know their soldiers.
2. While doing so, try and determine the soldier's center of gravity, his or her skill, talent or stated passion and try and work it into their role on the team.
3. Refer any socio/psycho issues over your head to the chaplain or appropriate services.
4. Use what you learned in 1 and 2 to better your own skills as a leader, many times just the one on one time and better understanding is enough to create change.

Response by SGM Vern Walker made Feb 23 at 2016 12:42 PM

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I agree with those leaders who suggest "finding the root cause". When did you notice? Are there past issues? Are you and your team willing to not give up on the NCO? Whatever you decide be a positive influence--and a friend.

Response by MSG Mark Million made Feb 23 at 2016 1:06 PM

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Documen the problems,start the process to get them out for lack of compliance with lawful orders, If that does't get their attention and bring change nothing will and the military is better off without them. It goes without saying that at every step of this process they need to be given true opportunities and guidance towards change.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 1:17 PM

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Everyone thus far has an excellent, so far as I have read.

I would add to SGM Marquez's comment, very well said. I believe, as a largely disrespected, Defense Force E-5, that the best NCOs are those who are BOTH sides of the stone;
that is, the rough side to shape the rough or crude soldier and hone him into an edge that can be worked---
AND; the good NCO must also be the smooth side, the better to polish and sharpen, to encourage fineness in form and exceeding flawlessness in function. To nurture a fine edge, and a good and moral man.

Much is at stake, gentlemen. Much more will be if we allow slack attitudes towards discipline. See Sun Tzu.

When it comes down to it I see it like this..Having traveled and what-not-ed in wherever, I've learned this much: Everyone's got problems. Solid operators know how to compartmentalize those effectively, without snapping later. Not everyone can. Maybe he should re-class if it's the job itself. Maybe the ARMY is fine for him- he's just in the wrong part of it. Not knowing the specifics of his behavior it's hard to speculate.

On the flip side, sometimes it's NOT a bad soldier, it's and overbearing NCO, or one who is petty, or lacks sufficient leadership ability. We've all seen them. Is there a LARGE difference in age between the two parties involved. Age plays its role in all social dynamics, even that of ours. Don't get too lost in that though, the Army has ONE STANDARD, for a reason. ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL, LESS THAN WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF, IS ENTIRELY UNACCEPTABLE UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, MORE ESPECIALLY THOSE WHEN HELLA STRONG CONTACT IS OCCURRING. MEN DIE BECAUSE OF SHIT-HEADS NOT FOLLOWING ORDERS AND MAINTAINING AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF FROST ABOUT THEIR PERSON !!!

If this is a young soldier who hasn't deployed yet. USE ANY METHOD, even and especially the old "Army Way" to MAKE HIS ASS understand the weight of what he has entered into. Most of you know how quickly right and wrong become SOO subjective when shit starts exploding unexpectedly....No place for selfish people.

Morals play a role in morale...Not sure if you should continue the beatings or give him his mat back, but that's my two cents.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 1:26 PM

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I provide the Soldier the tools be successful and try different approaches because everyone receives direction differently. However, there does come a time when you must step back and let them absorb the message. I have learned from my experience you never know when you are that person. They for some reason accept your message as the original into changing. When the same message you are sharing has been told to them several times before but they can hear you now. Amazing!. So I would not give up on them base off their past experience with others.

Response by SGT David Jackson made Feb 23 at 2016 1:31 PM

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Motivating an NCO is a difficult thing, I have had the issue and handled it in this way with success. An Nco that just don't care has had an issue come up in his life to get him that way or he wouldn't have made it to be an NCO. Go to the Nco's level of where he or she is and start the rebuild process use kindness and understanding, show the soldier how important they are and how thw low em's look up too them. Tell the Nco every dog has a low time in life but the job and responsibility of an nco is to keep up moral of the troops and drive forward, once that Nco witnesses your concern things will change in a positive way. Drive on troops, standing tall and looking good, backbone of the Army Non-commisioned officers lead the way.

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Feb 23 at 2016 1:39 PM

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If he is not willing to learn and does not care and he is an NCO. kick his ass out, if he has a problem let the VA take care of it. if its a mental or medical problem give him a general under medical conditions. he can get better treatment out side . the Army has enough to do without pacifying an NCO that don't care. if he has that problem it could backfire on the Army by keeping him in. never know when a person that don't care and is not willing could go off the deep end and another that does his duty and cares may have to pay for it.

Response by SFC Edwin Watson made Feb 23 at 2016 1:43 PM

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You probably can't. Best bet is to turn said Soldier into a civilian as soon as possible to make room for someone who does care

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Feb 23 at 2016 1:56 PM

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Talk to the individual and see what the problem are(family,etc).

Response by SFC Terry Logsdon made Feb 23 at 2016 2:14 PM

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as a psg I made it a point to sit down and chat with all my nco's once a week off the record to to find out about there well being . the biggest thing that I found if the realized the had someone they could turn to it was one less thing they had to worry about.

Response by SFC Gregory Wroblewski made Feb 23 at 2016 2:14 PM

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well I would document everything, then when rating time comes, prepare it so that the soldier will eventually be discharged. When I was recalled as a PLT SGT, it seems that I got all of the dirt bags. I wrote a NCOER that was so bad it was challenge all the way up the chain. It survived all of the challenges, even the Sergeant Major Academy used it for awhile, and challenged it. Needless to say the soldier was discharged.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 2:29 PM

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As an NCO there's no place for apathy. Soldiers will look at that NCO and use his or her actions as a scapegoat to con their way out of doing tasks as a reflection of their leadership. Have a heart to heart with that NCO, if its a legit issue with personal underlying problems get NCO the assistance he or she needs. If it's not a legit issue and that NCO is just being a slacker Let the NCO know that reduction boards are a real thing and maybe he or she will straighten up.

Response by SMSgt Paul Docka made Feb 23 at 2016 2:31 PM

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I partially agree with all the responses so far but, your question did not elaborate on the scenario that it's occurring in. If his behavior is influencing his peers negatively, either by becoming like him so that they don't have to do anything either or by creating friction, you can not tolerate it and an example must be made. It's a very fine line and a lot depends on available time. If you can find the key to help, by all means but do not let him become your albatross.

Response by SFC Donald York made Feb 23 at 2016 2:34 PM

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The best way i found to motivate a junior NCO is to make sure he understands the task assigned to him and his subordinates, and reward them accordingly for the work they put into completing the mission. Buy them a beer on occasion and tell them how much they are appreciated, and that they are an important link to the platoon success.

Response by CPO Peter Bailey made Feb 23 at 2016 3:04 PM

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As a Royal Naval Chief Petty Officer I do not understand why this rating is an N.C.O.. In the British Services some one with this attitude would be disrated . if he continued in the manner he/ she would be discharged from the service forthwith.

Response by SSG James B made Feb 23 at 2016 3:14 PM

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I found that I cannot motivate these Soldiers, only they can do that themselves.
I try to illuminate them on the consequences of their choices. If they are happy being a PV2, that's great, but they need to understand that that rank gets extra details, picks up heavy things, and does the least pleasant jobs. As a PV2, it's all they contribute. If they were to engage a bit more, and pass APFT, pass some classes, they would gain rank and have those duties less often. I would stress that it was nothing personal, but their duties reflect their rank and abilities.

I was 12B Combat Eng, so I also made sure they understood what duties they would get in combat as well. :-)

Response by SGM Debra Bradshaw made Feb 23 at 2016 3:15 PM

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One can never tell the real reason behind this type of behavior. It may just be that he/she is afraid of failure or is uncomfortable in a leadership position. If they are not performing, they can be administratively reduced in rank. A demotion doesn't have to be for judicial reasons.

Response by SGT Daryl Thomas made Feb 23 at 2016 3:16 PM

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First of all what is his/her rank, I think that you should give the soldier more responsibility and see how he/she responses to that, if not then start talking to the soldier about the civilian life

Response by SSgt Kristian Montanez made Feb 23 at 2016 3:25 PM

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I remember asking my non motivated troop why he was here? if he was not going to even try to complete the basic certification for our career field. His response was rather lackluster. So I figured I would just be direct. Do you like your paycheck? He was like. "Yeah" so I reminded him that he could be replaced rather quickly. Come to find out he was from some poor neighborhood in NYC and was helping out his father financially. He went on to do some really good work in the AOR and got high marks from his NCO's while on deployment. However months down the line he was arrested by local authorities for a DUI so try as hard as you might........the individual needs to decided for themselves.....I feel as a good NCO you should help the one's who want to be there and show the door to the ones who do not!

Response by Sgt Michael Oberline made Feb 23 at 2016 3:26 PM

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If he does not listen or learn he is not NCO material in the first place. Demotion is in order. If that does not work it is time for punitive action or a discharge under less than honorable conditions. Quit treating him like a little kid and treat him like an adult. He does not need another parent to spoil him; he needs a superior to put a proverbial boot in his ass.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Feb 23 at 2016 3:57 PM

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That is a pretty broad question. So if you can answer a couple of questions for me maybe we can find a solution that might work. The reason I say might is because even if you do all the right things there is not guarantee they will change, succeed or do well. When someone has determined that they are not be part of the team or a productive member they will not change.

What is the specific issue? Bad Attitude, are they passive aggressive, or unteachable?
What areas are the unmotivated? Training, getting along with others, are they trouble makers?
Do they make a lot of mistakes? Do they say bad things about themselves or others?

Not sure if these questions helped you to narrow it down or not. Problems that can be well defined can also help us to find a well defined solution. As I said in the first paragraph that is provided they are willing to change.

Response by Sgt Wendell Major made Feb 23 at 2016 3:59 PM

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Identfy what the individual cares about and use the as the carrot or the stick as necessary. IMHO

Response by 1SG Chuck B made Feb 23 at 2016 4:01 PM

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This is a pretty common problem, and it all begins with leadership.

First, talk to the soldier one on one in a private setting. Begin by bringing up his good points, I suppose you already have a solid track record of monthly, quarterly, semiannual, and annual counselling records. If there is something in them on the positive side, praise him on those hallmarks, then you have to discuss his or her shortcomings. Go into detail about the positive and negative aspects of his actions, how they effect the mission, and above all make it clear and point out that you are trying to help him. But you have to mean it. Explain to him how poor performance effects moral, including his, but especially on on peers, junior soldiers, especially on what they expect from NCO's and the lasting significant effect on standards it causes.

There might even be something going on in their personal life that you may not be aware of. Ask direct and leading questing, talk about your own mistakes, or events that caused you to get your head out of the game, draw a correlation so they understand how non compliance of standards may have contributed to either a failed mission, continued poor performance, or even your own moral compass and personal attitude towards not just the work you were supposed to be doing, but how it could have lead to further mission failure.

It takes a leader to lead, and a good leader always knows his/her soldiers, their families, and above all there desire to better themselves. Motivate the group as a whole as a cohesive unit, if possible get the other soldiers to contribute towards a common goal perhaps it could be something simple such as a race to disassemble common weapons, a soldier of the month mock board having lower ranking soldiers as the board members and the NCO's being quizzed. Or even against another squad. Turn the ordinary common tasks into challenges. But most of all insure that they have your respect and you clearly have theirs. You may be surprised seeking the solution may even be motivating to others. As always lead by example, a positive encouraging example. Don't ride em to hard, and work as a solid unit.

I had a soldier attempt suicide while I was active, I talked to him prior to the incident, I knew something was wrong but I didn't have the tools at the time, nor the assistance from my own superiors to assist the soldier. In fact they resisted any concern towards trying to find help for the soldier. I was in a Detached (Det) organized unit and as we were task organized we also had Ranger/Scouts with our outfit. He was new and so I didn't know him all that well, as he was in another squad. I failed his POV inspection as his tires on his car were so worn you could clearly see the belts and bias ply when you looked at the tires, which was a severe safety hazard, so we put his car in our compound and told him he couldn't drive his car until he bought tires. I soon found out that over that weekend, he either tried or attempted and failed to commit suicide. That also made me feel guilty because I was the one who inspected his POV. But I learned something, which was I should have looked into his personal life a bit more closely, asked more questions, see if there was something I could have done to help. But if you don't ask, you'll never know until its to late.

Response by SSG Gerald King made Feb 23 at 2016 4:14 PM

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What responsibilities does this NCO have at the this time. I found that if you give an individual a task, explain what is expected and then leave them "alone" to preform those tasks and hold them responsible for the results you can find out exactly what type of person you are dealing with. Usually, when you show your trust and confidence in an individuals ability to do the job they will measure up and feel better about their self. Do not hover over them as this gives them an excuse for failure. Most people have a large amount of self pride and can be motivated when they see the rewards of performing the assigned tasks.

Response by PO2 David Ball made Feb 23 at 2016 4:39 PM

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Show him the unemployment information for veterans in his MOS and give him a choice......He has a job and a signed a military contract....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 4:45 PM

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Well I'd try and see if changing their MOS would motivate them. See if offering to help them find a deployment or job.... It really all depends on their situation.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Feb 23 at 2016 4:53 PM

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I would talk with them after hours and in one on one conversations. Most of the time that worked. Often it was a problem at home - so I was able to help get the right resources for them there was a marked improvement. They knew I cared and was taking care of my guys.

Response by SGT Karen Scott made Feb 23 at 2016 5:12 PM

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First you find out what is wrong too many times in the Army gross wrongdoings that are violent were allowed to be carried out on a soldier to hurt them physical, medically and emotionally by our own! Unlawful, bias and aggressive towards someone that is doing very well, towards a female and towards someone that may be different! These people were dedicated and the military at that time was allowing the harm to be harmed and allowed it to continue! So when a soldier goes up in rank quickly due to hard work, volunteer for extra types of jobs and does well through extra training there is much jealous. Having a bad attitude towards someone you may get away with it, but taking actions is unlawful and causes separation of the whole team. It causes the person to shut down! Clean up the personal attacks that so many are getting away with in the Military! Correct degrading actions towards females, remarks that are continually harmful and very abusive that is physically harming that shuts the human being down! Not allowing these gross wrongs that are clearly unlawful to be corrected the soldier & veteran will shut down! It is not the willingness to not learn it is the bias towards an individual that is different, violent hateful bias actions towards females, some higher echelon not acting as if they are for America and for protecting America, her Constitution and American citizens that is depressing so many. It is not correcting wrongdoings and rape that shuts people down. Many soldiers are blocked and are not allowed options for training, learning and college due to people attacking them, being allowed to abuse their positions to hurt a soldier to keep them from doing well! Why would any man or women do this carry out any actions of harm! Not giving a safe way to correct what others are doing to the soldier that is damning then that soldier is going to shut down! For example here in Long Beach at the City College I was living homeless in my car trying to go to school. There were a bunch of military men & women, an ex male that I was seeing got a lot of people to gang up on me to do harm, some officials at the school were doing a lot of harm, one of the police were badgering me, assembly, congress and criminals that were constantly doing harmful things at this college & within different areas of my life to cause harm & destruction. I had my car parked legally at the college with permit, when I went into the college to take my mid-term early in the morning the males that were harassing me & badgering me got Long Beach, CA Police to come onto the college property to take my car away and impound it. It was a new car, I lost several thousands of dollars and could not get my car back due to the very very high impound fees and all the tickets that the police were carrying out on me that cost $4000! I was then homeless now on the street. It caused a disability I had to worsen to the point I will never recover from the harm! They all laughed thought it was funny saying that is what you get for standing up for my rights and going to school. Let’s hurt the disabled veteran have some fun! It is people being allowed to abuse power to carry out atrocious crimes & harm not giving legal help that protects the victims’ rights, not just the attackers! That is causing people to be angry to shut down and knows that if they try they will be hurt, blocked and maybe killed due to corruption. They see how you have attacked & allowed horrible things to happen to a disabled veteran! These people have been hurting others for a long time. Black men that attacked me in the Army are part of a group outside of the military that carried out crimes against me in the military stalked me & followed me in my civilian life, throughout United States causing harm, sabotage of services, medical, benefits, sabotage of jobs and educations! Yes, there are others that are not part of this group other men & women that were part of retaliations & attacks! Some were part of a group and some were not, but all have not been held accountable as of yet! Since 1985!!! Until you stop and correct the attacks against women, anyone that is different that you don’t like, and others that are not part of your church that I have experienced in the Military & out of the service people are not going to believe and have hope! Because of the allowed attacks that have been going on people that are different from your group/gang/political gang/ church gang and or many individuals’ people are not going to trust to make that effort. It is not allowing rights to be protected that causes people to not want to keep trying, allowing people to abuse their power to destroy a soldier & veteran and people that thinks they are above anyone else that they can keep attacking a person out of revenge! How about legal help that protects rights not the people that are and have been hurting you! The things that were carried out were violent, corrupt & unlawful! You use the soldier, deny the veteran and allow people to abuse their power to destroy our lives completely!!!

Response by MSgt Loyd Whisenanr made Feb 23 at 2016 5:14 PM

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First figure out why he's that way. Does Ihe really cares or does he think he can't perform his task.
If he does not care show him some brown shoe. if he thinks 'he can't do the task help him now and then and be positive with him. He will come around! I was a slow leak when I entered the Air Force and really wanted out. Some postice attention brought me around and I retired as A Master Jet Engine Instructor

Response by SGT Vince Albert Dickson made Feb 23 at 2016 5:22 PM

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Give His Slot to another more Motivated NCO! We don't have time to babysit nor hold hands in today's military for a Pogue

Response by CPO Scott Hosler made Feb 23 at 2016 5:48 PM

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Is this the kinder and gentler military? In my day, 1980-1996, USN, as a CPO, we were the motivators! We were the Navy leaders. If this NCO is allowed to act this way he will pollute his troops. His superior must take him out of a leadership role, discipline him accordingly, retrain him, and see if he is salvageable. If not, force him out.

Ask yourself, if you were in his care would you go into combat with this guy with this current attitude ?

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 5:54 PM

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Sit down and have a discussion with him. Do not make it a counseling session just start talking to him/her build the relationship and trust and the issue will find its way out. Could it be something you are doing to stifle him? When I have issues like this the first place I look is in the mirror.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 5:54 PM

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Motivation comes from leading by example as what I learned and took from my drill sergeants during basic training. Motivation also comes from within such as my self trying not to compete with others but with my own mental doubts so I may overcome. Basically motivation is can be found anywhere but if the individual is lacking motivation than the problem is deeper like mentioned from the previous comments. It could be monetary, relationship, or work, and maybe a combination of all of them. If the leader and said Soldier can overcome these issues and is still not motivated than like mentioned below is this Soldier 1, 2, 3, 4 and now is not the time to be 3 or 4 lol! But in all honesty I tell Soldiers and my leaders the same thing its just not worth for me personally continuing my service if I am not challenged or I am not going to do my best. I would know its time to leave the service once I stop making a difference or at least trying my best, that being said hopefully this Soldier or NCO can find the motivation somewhere cause if not than that is his or her que to move on.

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Feb 23 at 2016 6:38 PM

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I would have a closed door meeting with him or her.. Sometimes a personal problem is why he or she is not willing to learn or does not care. I have had cases when some guy got a Dear John or a death in the family. Or decided military life was just not the way to go.. Or I was just too rough on him Anyhow, been there and done that and not always successful but did listen and tried to work things out..

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 6:39 PM

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I was going to ask the same question.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 6:57 PM

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This is a bigger problem of promoting service members before they are ready and leaders who themselves that just think leadership comes out of manuals.
Sounds like this NCO should be administratively reduced because he is not performing the way an NCO is expected. If he wants to perform at a level that is below that of a non-NCO than why has his leadership no put him in that rank and position. When you don't have to do anything but show up to work and get promoted there is no drive or his leadership is not pushing him. Do they even know this soldier? What makes him tick? What are his short and long term goals in and out of the military? His SNCOs should give him some "daddy counseling" but after a while you have to stop baying him because he is setting a bad example for you junior soldiers. A crappy attitude is cancerous in a unit and has to be crushed or cut out.

Response by PO1 Aaron Baltosser made Feb 23 at 2016 7:10 PM

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In the experience I gained over 20 years, you can't teach motivation. Motivation is intrinsic to the individual. It goes hand and hand with desire. If the individual has no desire to be successful your tools are very limited. Punitive measures go only so far, and they do not often help anyone create a product you are going to be proud of. A root cause analysis should be done to find out what if anything has changed for them. The total apathy may be nothing more than a serious symptom you need explore, and not the whole problem.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 7:19 PM

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I think soldiers and NCO's quit caring and lose their motivation when they feel that they are not valued or that their leadership does NOT care about them. I've seen how leadership (Army-wide) can make promises and NOT fulfill them. An example is education. Soldiers are told that they should pursue their education, but then are NOT allowed to do so for whatever reason.

A good way to KEEP soldiers motivated is to SHOW them that you care, and take a personal interest in their well-being. When they have any kind of issue, let them take care of it ASAP. I always allowed soldiers to take care of their issues as soon as they told me about it and made sure they returned to work right after. If soldiers are struggling, take some time to encourage them or give them advice. Give them options and ideas on how to fix their issues. If you don't know where they can get assistance, find out. Do not just leave them to their devices. Don't forget to follow up with them, so they know that you did not forget about them.

For NCO's, TEACH them the proper way to BE an NCO. Do not blame them for the actions of their soldiers, because if you are old enough to legally sign a contract to join the military, you are old enough to be held responsible for your actions... and you should be held responsible! NCO's can't be with their soldiers 24/7. Also, empower NCO's to make decisions for their soldiers. As a sergeant, I've been told that I had to wait for my Section Sergeant (E-6) to get approval from higher up in order of me to allow my soldiers to take care of issues, then the issues are NEVER pushed up any higher. Whenever I felt that my Section Sergeant or my Platoon Sergeant was not doing this part of their job, I went directly to the approving authority. My soldiers' welfare depended on my being proactive.

For anyone who does NOT want to learn or progress, SHOW THEM THE DOOR!!! The Army needs professionals who care about others because it is necessary to be able to trust your fellow soldiers with their lives and well-being (without worrying about being thrown under the bus). If someone is all about themselves and no one else, it undermines cohesion. I've seen a lot of uncaring and selfish people in the nearly nine years I have spent in the Army (last three as an NCO). I've also had the "shit bag" soldiers that no one else cared about and took care of them without them giving me any problems. It's difficult to keep soldiers motivated and even more difficult to help them get it back once they've lost it.

Response by SSG(P) D. Wright Downs made Feb 23 at 2016 7:38 PM

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Through the numbers...on his/her EER is how I did it...if counseling did not work. There are the steps to follow. Informal counseling, formal counseling with a written statement and then the EER. There are means that are to be used. Today, from what I read in Army Times, there are many requirements that are to be met for promotion and it doesn't take much to take one off the track to promotion. Every enlisted person should be aware of what it takes to be promoted and how easy it is to be eliminated from military service. Bottom line, if a SM does not care, can not be motivated, after you as an NCO or officer has tried, spend your time with those who are motivated and make them into the best they can be...old recruiting slogan "Be all you can be" is still true.

Response by MSG Robert Conrad made Feb 23 at 2016 7:56 PM

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I am sure others mentioned to continue counseling and mentoring, and then provide the NCOER that is indicated based on the counseling and performance. That's really all you have. I also recommend that you consider that not everyone wants to works as hard as you, that was hard for me to learn, not everyone wants to be an over achiever, and some don't even want to be an achiever. Good luck!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 8:49 PM

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I always say my NCO's down and said: "Ok here's the problem!" I got a soldier and I state the problem! Then ask his advice as an NCO how he would deal with it? Listen Repeat Listen Repeat then when you have repeated what you think the NCO is telling you how he'd solve the problem! Then I'd spring the "real reason" why I called him in and now we can see if they are going to be inconsistent with their own behavior! Theodore Roosevelt said it best: "we are today the product of the choices we made in the past" and if he wants the bad grades on his NCOER then guess what? He made that call! It's my personal way of getting to the real root of the problem as many have shared on this thread thus far! If that fails, then apparently we need to get into some deeper counseling session! Sometimes soldiers are Merely asking for help in their own unique way! There may be a problem at home that they don't wish to share and it is nagging and causing adverse behavior on the job!

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 9:01 PM

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Ask the NCO what you can do to help them become more successful.

Response by CW2 Max Dolan made Feb 23 at 2016 9:13 PM

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It may take a series of good sit-downs over a period of time. Depending on the soldier, you might have to show him some options...some of which he won't like. For example, being invited to terminate his (or her) service after the current "hitch" is up. It is a cold, cruel world out there and the home they now have in the military is a pretty good one! Apathy can be a killer, and I mean that literally, and the root cause may be ugly. If you want to refer them to some sort of counseling, I advise that you take that a step at a time, and then perhaps hand-carry them over there. I know that NCOs don't have to be "mommy and daddy" to young soldiers, BUT there is a degree of this in being a leader, guide and mentor for the young. Don't forget the possibilities of a spiritual component to their problems. Sometimes we can overlook that!

Response by SSG Richard Gaytan made Feb 23 at 2016 9:19 PM

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You didn't say he had a problem. Have him see the Chaplin or is he married. Family counseling is good.

Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Feb 23 at 2016 9:26 PM

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I would continually put them in scenarios that would be difficult to do if they did not train for the tast that needed to be done

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 9:36 PM

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Really vauge question.

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Feb 23 at 2016 9:41 PM

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Sounds like a human Behavior Issue, Hypnosis alters Human Behavior.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 9:55 PM

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Well, you have to find out what type of unmotivated person your dealing with. Since I have been in, there is not just one type of "person that just does not care". I have run into several different types and most people lump them all into the same group because, as supervisors and trainers, don't want to make the effort to dive deep enough into that person to find out why. I have always tried to have the attitude that no one joins the military to be a dirtbag. While that may be wishful thinking, I think it erodes away my dismissiveness of people who I am told by others are dirtbags. I'll explain. The types I generally see are as such.

A person who comes in gung ho with high expectations of themselves. They are green, but motivated. They get to their first unit and do really well the first few months. But, the unit, or their supervision is lacking in training new people. While the new guy things he is doing great, because no one is telling him/her otherwise, they don't realize how terrible their training has been. So the minute they are let lose on their own, they start making mistakes. Their supervision starts to pound him with paperwork and punishment instead of proper training. The new guy is scratching his head at how he went from doing well, to terrible, and no one is taking the time to helping him fix it, they just continue to write paper on them. Now they have this reputation amoung others that they need to be babysat. Which means, not only is their training terrible, but they are not even allowed to start or finish a task because other people jump in to help him complete it. This begins to eat away at his confidence and he starts to feel nothing he can do is right. He stops caring, and he carried the dirtbag label around. This person who use to be highly motivated is now dirtbag joe who just does not give a crap because everyone thinks he is crap.

Then there is the type that comes into the military with absolutely no parenting at all. The parents may have actually pushed them into the military because they just don't want them in the house anymore. The kid really has no choice. He was not given the tools by his parents to succeed. He probably has several emotional / mental issues. Parents are probably poor, but even if they were not, they did not care enough to motivate them to go to college, nor do they have the grades to get into anything other then a trade school or a community college anyway. So they try the military. It's either that, live on the street and sell drugs, or work at McDonalds. So they join the military. They have no idea how to be an adult, have no sense of responsibility, accountability or respect for authority. These are hard cases, some are helped by a "mentor" or "father figure" or sorts. But in today's military, not many have time for that anymore so they just get thrown to the wolves, and eventually get kicked out.

Then, there are actual dirtbags. I think they are a rare bunch and are actually a small percentage of dirtbags that we consider dirtbags. Many dirtbags are a result of dirtbag supervision and dirtbag trainers.

That's the basic gist of what I have noticed. There have been other's I have seen but those seem to be the most common.

Response by SFC Aliye Espinosa made Feb 23 at 2016 10:14 PM

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Empathy is a great tool but a time comes when motivating through fear is poeerful, separation is a tool that presents frarful unknowns, but dont use it as a threat, actually begin the paperwork

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 10:29 PM

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As an NCO you need to find out what they don't care. Might be that they want out...might be that they don't understand and are too proud to admit it, might be something going on at home...Whatever the reason, it's your job to do your best to get through to every Soldier. Not everyone is a superstar....not everyone is a hard charger....we have some people who are not as smart as others...we have some who are lazy...and we have some that never need to be told what to do. It takes time and effort to be a good NCO. If you were looking for an easy job, you're in the wrong profession. I recommend the book, 'The Three Meter Zone' by JD Pendry. Good luck!!

Response by PO1 Travis Wise made Feb 23 at 2016 10:41 PM

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You should sit down with him, find out what the source of his apathy is, and assist him in confronting it. If this doesn't work, then revert to 1950-1985 methods and give him a blanket party to assist him getting his head out of his butt!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 10:44 PM

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You counsel....and counsel....and counsel. You push them out. There is no room for an NCO that doesn't care. NCO's provide motivation, if they can't because of some personal issues then they should be a big boy/girl and seek help to get their shit fixed...and it should be evident that they are at least putting forth effort to resolve the issue(s). If that isn't the case...then I say again. Push them out. Make room for someone better.

Response by PO1 Travis Wise made Feb 23 at 2016 10:45 PM

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Sit down with him and either commiserate with him or grow a set and revert to pre 1990 methods - Give him a blanket party to assist him removing his head from his butt, but for God's sake, quit treating him like a delicate flower and just do something to get his attention like a 30 klick fast march!

Response by SSG Andy Hemmersbach made Feb 23 at 2016 11:11 PM

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How long has he been an NCO? make it clear to him that conduct unbecoming can cost him his rank and put it on paper! Find out if there is anything going on in his private life which is growing over his head!!!!! Very important!!! Maybe he needs a change of scenery!

Response by SSG Mike Angelo made Feb 23 at 2016 11:14 PM

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Maybe this SMs behavior is a reflection of the unit or you. Check yourself out too. Look at your squad's mission and situation. And look at resources and time. if you are the NCO who doesnt have time, referring SM to sick call for a medical eval may be an alternative, and if available. If you are on mission, that SM may drag everybody down. Relieve that SM asap and get a replacement. Depending on the unit too. Maybe you are stuck with what you got to work with. Present the SM with challenges for change and growth. You may be in a dud unit too, a unit that goes nowhere and does nothing. If thats the case, refer yourself to basic soldier skills and get creative. Bad behavior reflects on the team, squad and unit. You know what you have to do, so do it.

Response by 1SG Robert Bodeman made Feb 23 at 2016 11:17 PM

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Before you can motivate a soldier, a good NCO has to take interest in his squad with pride, that takes time, trust, the Platoon needs a STRONG PLTNSGT, he picks his SQDLDRS, sometimes its a hit, sometimes its a miss, BUT!!!! A good PLTNSGT and LDR evaluates each SQDLDR to find the best ones to be in place, now if you have a BAD SQDLDR, thats easy, take him in your office, find out whats going on, find out if he's been to PLDC, if not make sure he goes, if he still shows BAD leadership skills, still has no interest in performing - you as a PLTNSGT, remove him from the postion, make sure your paperwork fallows, recommend an AR-15, demote him for NONPERFORMANCE, UNBECOMING of NCO, REFUSE to FOLLOW ORDERS, then find your next SGT or SPC/CPL, - once he gets demoted, the CMDR will request him to be removed from his company, if he chooses // I know I went through this quite a few times

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 11:18 PM

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Talk to him, and ask him why he feels unmotivated or doesn't care. Find out what motivates him (likes, dislikes). Positive reinforcement.

Response by MSgt John "JT" Tonn made Feb 23 at 2016 11:43 PM

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Umm......I just finished Suicide Prevention and I am seeing a couple red flags! I hope I am wrong but, do not chance it!
JT Tonn

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Feb 24 at 2016 12:59 AM

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Find out the underlying problem, see if there issues you can help with, and give him/her a chance to recover. However, I have run across a few NCO's (VERY few) who simply didn't give a damn. The individual got to a position of comfort and just "retired in place." That isn't nearly as possible now as it was before the last 14 years op tempo.

Response by MSG David Villasenor made Feb 24 at 2016 2:33 AM

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first, if it is an NCO, that is the first mistake, an NCO is a leader of soldiers, the backbone of the army, if a SOLDIER OR NCO, IS NOT PERFORMING as he / she should, then, see if there is a problem going with them. remember, evaluate the problem, think about a solution to the problem, implement solution, and verify results, if none of the above works, then you can go head and implement the steps the army has in place in order to make a soldier comply with the rules and regulations IAW army doctrine. Don't be afraid to be a leader and find a solution to the problem, and if you have to make hard decisions, then do them. it is better to get rid of people who don't want to be soldiers or are not willing to accept their duty accordingly. it is better to lose them in peace than to lose a truly deserving soldier in battle due to poor performance of a nco or a soldier.. remember, those soldiers under your leadership are a sacred gift given by the people of the United States to , so be deserving of the trust placed in you. GOD BLESS AMERICA..

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Feb 24 at 2016 2:54 AM

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Slap an art on his dumb ass and throw him out!

Response by SFC Michael Houlihan made Feb 24 at 2016 5:51 AM

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If you are doing your monthly counseling's you should already know what is going on because you gave him a course of action to correct his problems. if after a period of time this individual has not made an adjustment then maybe its time for this soldier to seek civilian employment.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Feb 24 at 2016 6:48 AM

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As stated earlier, attempt to identify and resolve the root cause of the issue(s) and if it turns out it is just the individual him/herself attempt to motivate that person. When all else fails, there is always a one way trip out the gate.

Response by MSG Darrell Taylor made Feb 24 at 2016 7:12 AM

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At a certain point, an NCO that doesn't care doesn't deserve to be an NCO.

Response by SCPO Larry Sell made Feb 24 at 2016 7:54 AM

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This is a problem in industry as well as the military. It is one of the reasons I'm against any form of draft. If you have problems motivating a volunteer, what do you think it would be like with a draftee. So the answer is simple find out the root cause and find out what motivates this soldier. Perhaps he really hates his career field. Maybe be he (she) hates his spouse. Million dollar ball players have motivation issues. Good coaches, leaders, mentors get to know the individual and finds out what sparks the person no two people are the same. When I was I was in a joint unit, had this young navy PO who didn't understand why he had to run 6 mile formation runs, "it wasn't a navy requirement". It was affecting his day to day job performance. When I sat him down and understood his issue helped him understand why the unit ran, helped him improve his running ability his attitude and job performance became excellent. He was soon calling cadence on the Friday fun runs and was nominated for NCO of the quarter and year. The manager has to adapt!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2016 8:42 AM

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What measures have you taken to find the key or root problem with the soldier? You need to get to the main cause, create a solution, find the motivation factor and bring in someone ( same rank or age ) who has a strong character. This is one way to start and go from there. Some soldiers from my experience may not respond to your leadership style and may need a different leadership styles or approach to their situation.

Response by SGT James Paige made Feb 24 at 2016 8:50 AM

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There is a problem you are not a seeing and they themselves may not know there is a problem. I suffered with depression when I was in the Army and did not know it or understand it.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2016 9:02 AM

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Find out if there are personal issues at home and see if there is something that is distracting them. Are there issues within the command?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2016 10:19 AM

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SSG Mercado
First thing, you can't motivate anyone other than yourself. You can influence someone so they can become motivated. Professional counseling is how you influence Soldiers and get them motivated, or not. You will need to counsel this individual and find out what his problem or issue is. Once you have identified the problem then you can work on solutions. Sometimes Soldiers just don't care and will not open up to allow the problem to surface. You will need to work diligently to get the information and work out those issues. If that young NCO Continues his negative behaviors, take that NCO rank away from him through an administrative board. Of course this is only if they are not willing to perform and you have exhausted all other methods to square that individual away. A leader responsibility never ends and it is up to you to figure out how to get Soldiers MOJO back when they lose it. No matter how bad they get or tired you are. With out specifics I have to put the ownership back on you. Good Luck.

Response by SGT Lawrence Myers made Feb 24 at 2016 12:17 PM

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Lead by example, got to find out what is their motivation and use it to their and your advantage.

Response by CSM Felipe Mendez made Feb 24 at 2016 12:29 PM

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Soldiers are constantly studying you as a leader. They always checking with other soldiers about your integrity, welfare of soldiers, they want to know if you are a soldiers, soldier or if they can trust you, you will listen and over all if you can help them. Once they believe in you, they will be more willing to share and trust. What I have done in the past to resolve similar situation was approach the soldier and start a friendly conversation, no question or interrogations. I used the Field exercise platform to do so, while in the field they are with you 100% of the time. Converse with him/her during the chow line. I use the “stand to” or perimeter guard shift. I usually did my rounds about 12 o’clock midnight and sit around with the intended target for hours talking about everything and nothing, just getting the to know him/her. Usually they relax and start talking about themselves and members of the unit. In this situation I was more interested about his/her plans for the future, education, family back home etc. I will start talking to him/her about where they from, what their parents do for living, give them my background and my upbringing. It is important that the whole conversation is about him/her and that the setting is set for listening as longer it takes. There should be any rushing or looking at the watch. When they bring their issues, the first thing I did was asked them, how would they fix it or go about it. Depending on what’s the answer, I would provide some direction pointers. Through the entire situation/conversation it is important that the question “why he/she thinks that way? Or “what was said”, “how you feel about that”, “what are you concerns”, how can you change the situation” or “what would you have done different”. As he/she talks and hear himself/herself, sometimes they get to answer themselves. Assure them that the conversation will stay private and tell them that professional help is available if so desire. Do not bring up the issue in front of others or call soldier out as well. Let them approach you and if time is not feasible at the time, inform them that they can come and see you later. Depending on the issue, I informed my commander at times. There were issues that his immediate attention was needed and there was no time for explanations, so decision was made effectively for the best of the soldier, the unit and the Army.

Response by SGT Michael Leary made Feb 24 at 2016 12:43 PM

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That's a conclusion he's come to, probably triggered by an event. It's when they see no bright future. Whatever the dreams were, they don't believe it can happen now. That means there was some trapdoor in them before enlistment. Likely they were seeing the service as a way to override that destiny. Now it became too hard.
If you want to recover this person they are going to have to get with someone they trust in order to locate the link to being downtrodden in their early life. They need to link to their lifes purpose and be willing to be inconvenienced and make some kind of sacrifice to get there. Their feelings are overriding their good sense. That's why a pep talk does not typically work on these guys. Their resiliency from growing up was expended somehow. You'll have to sort out what, if anything is their meaning in life and what ruined it. If you aren't skilled and willing to do this, get them to someone who is.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2016 4:52 PM

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A good mentor of mine once told me. Find what they care about and if worst comes to worst take it away from them. His example was.....he was young and liked hanging out on the weekends. He got in trouble and it was taken from him with extra duty so he stopped getting in trouble so he could hang out. Obviously everyone is different, you have to get to know him and see if there's not an underlining problem.

Response by SSG Shafter Baker made Feb 24 at 2016 8:49 PM

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First of all, there is a huge problem when an NCO, the backbone of the Army does not care, nor desires to learn. I wouldn't try to motivate him, I'd counsel and train. If he or she did not get the point, then I would speak with the CSM about an admin reduction. How are Soldiers supposed to follow an NCO who doesn't care?

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Feb 24 at 2016 9:29 PM

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I always believed in this saying: "Soldiers volunteered to meet the standards, if they won't then we should thank them for trying and send them home". Motivate him with a 4856, corrective training that hurts, Article 15s, then chapter.

Response by SSG Jane Doe made Feb 24 at 2016 9:29 PM

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If it is an NCO then they need to wise up or move out (I mean give them the boot). Junior soldiers have a little more lead way. Lead by example, enforce standards, verify work and follow through with consequences both positive and negative. Often times many do not acknowledge the good things soldiers do and they get burnt out. Do your monthly counseling and event counseling when needed annotating everything. If the soldier improves great help them on the road to success otherwise it's time for them to go.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2016 7:09 AM

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The root cause of most issues with Soldiers is as easy as KFC. They either don't Know, Forgot, or they don't Care. You must teach, coach and mentor Soldiers throughout their lack of motivation.
I have found that rolling up my sleeves and getting to work alongside them gives me the best perspective. Often if Soldiers don't think that what they do matters they will lack motivation. Especially if couple with poor leadership.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Feb 25 at 2016 12:44 PM

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I learned from a wise old 1SG a long time ago that there are 3 types of poor performers. A "Can't", a "Won't", and a "Don't know how". A "Can't" is someone who just lacks the physical or mental capacity to meet the standards of the given job no matter how much effort or training they are given. A "Won't" is someone who has the mental or physical capacity to achieve the standard, has demonstrated it previously, and has received all the proper training. A "Don't Know How" is someone who has all the ability and potential needed to meet the standard, but has never received the proper training to fulfill the potential. They don't know what right looks like. Of course, a "Don't Know How" is the easiest to motivate because in most cases they want to be led by example and shown what right looks like. Once they see the difference, they strive to excel. A "won't" usually lacks the drive to put forth effort and work to meet or exceed a standard. They are the hardest to motivate because they don't see any value or incentive in the effort, especially if the task is individual based and not part of a team. A good example I remember is the Expert Infantrymans Badge test. There were always a few who could care less about it and would rather No-go out of it on the first 3 tests than to go through the whole thing and finish with a 12 mile road march. About the only way to motivate a "Won't" is to somehow generate a value or incentive to perform. That usually involved avoiding an uncomfortable consequence or situation as an alternative to meeting a standard.
As far as the "Can't", thanks for trying. Nothing personal, just business. Eventually they either got to go, or put in a job they can handle.

Response by SSG Jay OConnor made Feb 25 at 2016 2:35 PM

2016-02-25T14:35:44-05:00

Use the Up or Out Philosophy. Put the flame to him. Tell him he must advance in every aspect or you will put paperwork in to get him out

Response by TSgt Glenn Heald made Feb 25 at 2016 4:57 PM

2016-02-25T16:57:27-05:00

seriously? just find out what's really bothering him, it might be a really bad supervisor. I certainly found my share. family ok, probably not . If something's happening in one area, then it will carry over to other areas. The root cause is usually obvious after talking to them. Talk therapy is useful +

Response by PO1 Michael Burdick made Feb 25 at 2016 8:43 PM

2016-02-25T20:43:29-05:00

I would find out what is important to that service member and argue an appeal to how fulfilling their obligated service to the best of their ability is in the best interests of what is important to them. A worst case scenario is that the service member has totally thrown the pack and cares nothing for just pulling their weight. I would then argue an appeal to the fact that they swore an oath and until they reached the end of their obligated service date they owe it to their team mates to honor that oath. I would say “you swore an oath and going back on that would make you out to be a liar and my friend you are no lair. For the sake of your teammates pull your weight and support your team as best as you can until you separate from service”.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2016 11:58 AM

2016-02-26T11:58:06-05:00

Its implicit in most of the answers, but explicitly stated, you have to know your joe.

Why is he unwilling? If you can challenge that underlying cause, you can achieve motivation.

Response by MSG Don Burt made Feb 26 at 2016 3:17 PM

2016-02-26T15:17:53-05:00

What's his age? What's his grade? What's his job (MOS) description? Where R U located?
All these things matter...he may not be motivated because he doesn't like where he is, what he's doing, who's in charge, how he's being treated, in which case, maybe he's just trying to get himself transferred to another environment conducive to his talents. Is he a trouble maker, has he been given a chance to lead? Many things make a person non-motivated....you have to get one on one with him where he doesn't feel intimidated, where you have the time to talk to him and really see what's his problem if any. Maybe no one has taken the time to find out exactly what's up. Just take the time to get him by himself away from his job, free time, and see what you as an NCO can do. You might be surprised to find out what the real, deep down problem is.

Response by CSM Alfred Arellano made Feb 27 at 2016 4:34 AM

2016-02-27T04:34:05-05:00

Kick them in the ass....

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2016 9:20 AM

2016-02-27T09:20:31-05:00

Pesonally I believe that anyone in our line of work that doesnt care or want to learn more has no purpose in this job. Someone like that is a burden and a threat to the safety of others. Sweat and misery may however work.

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Feb 27 at 2016 12:01 PM

2016-02-27T12:01:14-05:00

As far as my NCO doing things stupid ... Example : Gerneator trailer needed repainting. The paint was the wrong paint it was a gloss olive drab with a plastic hardener expoy so instead of it being flat od green when I got done it was as shiny as a new car.... I told my squad leader my section Sgt when it went higher to the NCO that won't listen .... I got extra push ups and running for not doing as I was
told . Then I was made to sand the trailer because it was the wrong paint.
Sometimes the proverbial boot in the ass doesn't work. Find out what the root
problem is. Everyone joined the military
for some reason. Try to resolve the
underlying problem. My problem I had
when I was a private was a personal
conflict with my E6 (platoon Sgt) the more
he dogged me the more I did deliberately to piss him off. I did not do anything that would get me an article 15 but when he Had me do something completely stupid ad he got the supplies. I did it making him look like an ass. He was respected with in the unit. I was the fng. Only thing i knew
regs. I had to take several tests in JROTC.
So when it came to hazing the fng and seeing how submissive a private can be I
used my chain of command reporting reg violations for hazing. When it came apperant that stripes were going to get lost because i would not shut up then I became a problem... I requested transfers that naturally were denied. Every transfer request became another day of hell and extra duties. I got out of active duty transferred to reserves. Stayed in reserves until 2006 went on active duty.
If I had not been dogged and every day been hell I would have re enlisted. And stayed active duty.

Response by SGT John Minch made Feb 27 at 2016 4:53 PM

2016-02-27T16:53:53-05:00

Do you know the answer? Put him in a position where he has to be in charge of his men. More Responsible will force him to care

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2016 8:16 AM

2016-02-28T08:16:43-05:00

Counseling- find out what's going on in personal life as it could have direct effect on attitude. If simply apathetic, maybe NCOER should reflect this

Response by Cpl Harry Hanna made Mar 7 at 2016 11:59 PM

2016-03-07T23:59:37-05:00

Have the NCO stay back & ID the dead and wounded.

Response by CSM Felipe Mendez made Mar 10 at 2016 6:21 PM

2016-03-10T18:21:30-05:00

The first step on fixing the situation explained above, is to talk with the soldier/NCO. Find out the reasons that he/she act or feels that way. Soldiers always care about something, find that something and work on the rest later on. NCO care about his/her soldiers and his responsibilities. There are times in which someone else said/did something to these individuals and they reflect their feeling by acting like they do not care. I have seen soldiers/NCO with broken spirit, it means someone called then “Fat” “piece of S^%^&&T” “worthless” and demean them in other different ways. These individuals were assigned to another unit and I had the opportunity to talked with them and find out what was the problem. Once I got to the bottom of the situation, I was able to correct the wrong. Long ago, I worked with a Senior NCO that was determine to send NCOs away if they have been in location for more than three years. During this stressful stage, one NCO was doing his retirement out-processing and when the personnel action computed his time in service, he came out short with three months remaining in service. The senior NCO called his branch and have the retiring soldier assigned to duties in Korea. The retiring soldier have move his family to his retirement home (Florida) already. I referred him to the IG and the DA enlisted branch. To all the headache, he got to stay in place and retire. Situation as this one above can affect soldiers/NCOs in which they are perceive as individuals that do not care anymore.

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Mar 10 at 2016 7:00 PM

2016-03-10T19:00:49-05:00

Talk to the soldier and see what the problem is, if an nco doesn't want to learn or willing to care, he/she shouldn't be here.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Mar 11 at 2016 11:58 AM

2016-03-11T11:58:30-05:00

NCO not willing? Not able...yet...is one thing but not willing or caring is something else. I think you need to find what is really going on, but you can only lead a horse to water.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 10:22 PM

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It is my experience that most Soldiers who lack motivation has some underlying issue that is preventing them from performing up to their potential. As a leader it is your job to crack that nut to see if that is indeed the issue. If so it is then your mission to get them the help that they need. Additionally many of today's Soldiers have not served in a low operational tempo Army. Most of them have multiple deployments and are, for lack of a better term, combat hardened. Therefore they may be having issues in transitioning from the proverbial "high speed/ balls to the wall" mentality to the more relaxed garrison environment where professional development schools and civilian education has taken the place of high speed training. However, there are some who are simply not interested in staying beyond their initial enlistment or statutory obligation. If this is the case you should help them find their way back to the block.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2016 1:49 PM

2016-03-25T13:49:39-04:00

Each unit should have a separate platoon for all the knuckleheads that do not meet the Army standards (or have multiple 4856 for certain types of misbehavior). The PSG should be prior drill instructor and the section SGT's should be the NCO's who are best at completing paperwork and understand how the "system" works. In other words, REMOVE these mission killers from the ranks because everyone knows that most units op-tempo's are very high and can't afford to have mission critical personnel taken out of the fight so they escort joe knucklead to legal or 1SG's office every week

Response by Maj John Bell made Mar 28 at 2016 5:38 PM

2016-03-28T17:38:48-04:00

I'd put him and 49 similar slackers out and put one hard-charger on active duty.

Response by LTC Terrence Farrier, PhD made Mar 29 at 2016 11:02 AM

2016-03-29T11:02:34-04:00

Put him or her in the driver seat while his peers watch! Some drive and a bit (not sacastic here) of ego motivated him or her to be an NCO. Find out where its at. Then put him/her in a situation where that motivation is relived...and frankly tested. If he or she fails, it is NOT your failure..it is theirs. I have done this more than once, and I am happy to say that about 90% of the time it helps them get back in the motivational grove...and help other soldiers do it too. Don't expect miracles, but build on what both of you learn. Not just philosophy...it works!

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Mar 30 at 2016 1:52 PM

2016-03-30T13:52:02-04:00

Kick his lazy ass out of the Army.

Response by SGM Frederic Smith made Mar 30 at 2016 4:54 PM

2016-03-30T16:54:52-04:00

Has he been in the unit for any extended period of time? If not, get him a "MENTOR"! Find someone that he buddies up to in his immediate chain. He must get along with someone. Get that someone to go overboard and get a little more interested in him or her. If they have been in the unit for a while, "how much counseling" has been done for this type of behavior? Need to cut to the chase if they don't want to be there anymore. If they have been given 2nd, 3rd, 4th or more chances; "What's the problem with the Chain"? Man up and do what a Leader does! If there is no more DISCIPLINE in the U.S. Army anymore, then WHY THE HECK HAVE ONE? Work it out at the lower levels, USE COMMON SENSE and you shouldn't have to "blog" an answer. If you can't find help within your unit (CO or BN), I feel sorry for our Military.
From and "Old Timer" that tried to make a difference before he Retired.

Response by SSG Grant Hansen made Jun 17 at 2016 1:38 AM

2016-06-17T01:38:01-04:00

Odds are they have no motivation because the training is boring them to death.

Look at your training day and see how much time is spend with soldiers just "standing by" while someone tries to organize something. Training should be organized and ready to go days or even weeks ahead of time. This means the NCO and officers might have to work a few extra hours to make sure everything is lined up and good to go, but that's why you get paid more than Pvt Snuffy.

Also, many units have no idea how to make training interesting. They train the task and that's it. When was the last time you ever heard of a combat mission going by the numbers? When was the last time you ever heard of a unit doing a single task from the TM and nothing else?

Make it realistic, combine skills training where possible and be creative.

When I was an E-5, I was given the task of training the entire platoon on getting into MOPP-4. Everyone from the LT and Plt Sgt to the lowest PVT. I had everyone outside, in full battle rattle. I read the standards to be sure everyone knew them. I called "GAS" and started a stop watch. When the time was up I ordered everyone to stop. I checked everyone and every time I saw someone not fully snapped, missing a glove or whatever, I had them lay down. I made sure the LT and Plt Sgt "failed". I then told the remaining soldiers to treat the fallen for nerve agent poisoning. When they had done that, I said that all the fallen had either died or were incapacitated. So I had them re-organize the platoon to see who took over what. role.

It made for some interesting discussion in the AAR and everyone was kept interested.

It also sucks when the CO orders training to start at 0800 and every NCO from the 1sg to the Team Ldr adds their own 15 minute buffer to the time. Next thing you know you have soldiers waking up at 0500 to get to the unit at 0600 for training that won't start for 2 hours. Hell, the CO is still in bed and Pvt Snuffy is reporting to his Team Ldr and chewing on a Pop Tart rather than eating a solid breakfast.

That's a morale killing piece of BS and everyone knows it.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Jul 4 at 2016 5:47 PM

2016-07-04T17:47:21-04:00

Who is he modeling? Most times people are modeling someone who is doing something similar he has just taken it to the next level. Your best leaders model what they want others to do because people do what they see in about 90 percent of the cases. So it may be a leadership problem.

Response by SPC Ruben Marin made Jul 7 at 2016 5:41 AM

2016-07-07T05:41:14-04:00

That depends on the individuals current situation. What I mean by this is, does he have a gripe with the Army, his unit, his leadership, or is their something personal going on in his life? if its the ladder situation, sit him down and LISTEN to the problem. Figure out a plan of action to help him reslove his gripes (E.g. sit down with the person they have a problem with and discuss the problem like adults). Encourage them to find solutions (with your help). If it is the second problem, I suggest professional counseling from a mental health counselor, or a family therapist; or something of that nature. I know leaders want to play the role of counselor, but many times what is intended to be in good nature comes off wrong, which only leads to the problem worsening for both the soldier and yourself. A counselor knows what to say and how to explore the persons thoughts and reasoning. If all of this doesnt work, it could be a simple case of the F it's. If so, Finding something the soldier is interested in and using it as a motivator can serve you some good. I hope this soldier is able to find the motivation they need to continue, and you are able to assit them through teir problem. Good luck to you SSG Mercado.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Aug 3 at 2016 3:59 AM

2016-08-03T03:59:33-04:00

At some point, the soldier was motivated to become an NCO. Counsel the NCO in an attempt to determine what has led them to lose their motivation and adopt an apathetic attitude. Hopefully taking the time to address the situation and listening to the reasons will lend itself to discovering solutions and leading the NCO back to the pathway to success.

Response by SFC Bruce Pettengill made Aug 3 at 2016 5:58 PM

2016-08-03T17:58:56-04:00

in a place away from duty and interruption. "I have noticed that there is something wrong. what is going on? what is going wrong? the only actions I will take will be agreed by both of us before I taken them. How I can I help you" then sit back and do not say a word, don't defend or condemn just listen. Realize that if this NCO does not want to talk, you may be the cause of his stress, so recommend he has a conversation with the next COC.

Response by SSG Zi David made Jun 8 at 2017 11:54 PM

2017-06-08T23:54:33-04:00

Thank them for coming to serve their country and let them know that their time is up... document it and help them retire/ honorably exit with honor and discipline that they seem to be lacking.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Jun 16 at 2017 1:50 PM

2017-06-16T13:50:43-04:00

How do they feel about themselves. A person who has low or now self esteem has nothing to pass on to others. Has anyone really cared about him. It is easy to bring him in drag him over the coals and send him back out. Does he know you are doing this because you care, what is going on behind the scene? Have they always been this way or did they change in the last few months. To motivate someone you need to communicate and encourage them on an emotional level. When you do that two things will happen. One it creates a bridge between you and them. Two it builds up their confidence and sense of self-worth.

Response by SFC Russell Shaw made Jun 16 at 2017 1:53 PM

2017-06-16T13:53:34-04:00

To motivate you need to encourage and communicate to people to reach them on an emotional level. This process will help you do two things. 1 Creates a bridge between you and them. 2 Builds up their confidence and sense of self worth.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jun 17 at 2017 2:14 AM

2017-06-17T02:14:57-04:00

On his NCOER, for Relief for Cause, AFTER Counseling him and taking every step to salvage him use this phrase in the box where the three jobs he is best suited for go:
1) Initial Entry Trainee
2) Performing Area Beautification
3) This Soldier can best serve the Army by seeking other employment as soon as possible

You could also throw in:
1) Sets low standards for himself and continually fails to meet them
2) Can be depended upon to be the first member of my (Squad/Platoon) to loose accountability of his equipment
3) can be expected to complain in front of his Soldiers, showing the discipline of an Initial Entry Training Private.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 18 at 2017 4:18 AM

2017-07-18T04:18:51-04:00

SSG Private RallyPoint Member: I was a Squad Leader and a Sports Director in the Army. My: squad members, coaches, cheerleaders, basket ball players, etc. were all very motivated-with the exception of one squad member-who hated me-for some reason.
I would think that a Soldier, NCO who is just not willing to learn and just does not care: is more a candidate for discharge. I know, Staff Sergeant Mercado, that this is not what you want to hear....and, I don't know if it would even be possible for the Army to discharge said NCO.
On the other hand, Staff Sergeant, I would keep: leading by example, motivating said Soldier, having compassion for said Soldier, respecting said Soldier and obviously, the worst thing you could do would be to compare said Soldier with other Soldiers.
Hope this helps you, at least a little, Staff Sergeant Mercado.
Most Sincerely, Margaret C. Higgins U.S. Army Retired: Coach