How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:21:22 -0400

Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Oct 16 at 2016 2:26 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:26:53 -0400

Lock his heels, tell him it's not a choice, then write it up.
Many push ups will happen and said Pvt. is on a doo doo list until I hear the pop of his head coming out of his ass.

Response by SGT Alan Dike made Oct 16 at 2016 2:42 PM

SGT Alan Dike — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:42:34 -0400

See me after formation for your counseling. Then you will report to duty on this detail. You can keep arguing, but it wont make your situation any better. I suggest you quit while you still can...

Response by 1SG Al Brown made Oct 16 at 2016 2:44 PM

1SG Al Brown — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:44:30 -0400

I was a rare Corporal, and was publicly punked out by virtually every E6 in the entire Army. I valiantly led every crappy detail that has ever been dumped down the totem pole. By the time I made E5, I was a certified master ninja when dealing with the most imperceptible slight. My reaction to insubordination has always started with "you have obviously lost your mind". The next step (1. corrective action or 2. go see the Wizard) would depend on the location, FORSCOM or BCT land. The regulations are different at BCT land, because the privates say things they shouldn't, most of the time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 2:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:48:06 -0400

make the next few hours of his/her life horrible

Response by SGT Alan Dike made Oct 16 at 2016 2:55 PM

SGT Alan Dike — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:55:46 -0400

What is a senior e5? You're an e 5 or not. when you got it, how long you have held it, etc. doesnt matter. you're in front of that formation, you are in charge. There could be e-6's standing there.. you're in charge.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 2:56 PM

CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:56:35 -0400

Praise in public, punish in private. "You stand fast after formation." Give him a chance to explain insubordination. Mandatory counseling. If he is defiant in private after getting the chance then burn him. ART15. Sometimes people are defiant because something happened and they feel out of control so they try to take it wherever they can no matter how inappropriate. Sometimes a wife cheated or a parent died. Sometimes the hospital calls and congratulates you on having cancer. To outright burn a Joe without gathering the facts is irresponsible and we would want someone breathing down our neck to take that extra moment to consider what might be going on too. If it's nothing more than attitude and a shitty personality then by all means light that dead Christmas tree and know you probably saved lives downrange.

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Oct 16 at 2016 2:57 PM

CPT Tom Monahan — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:57:40 -0400

I would give him the command to check his /her mouth and remind him/her that his/her failure to comply with the order of a Non-Commissioned Officer is punishable under the UCMJ and that after the detail is complete you and he/she will have a discussion where you are going to decide how move forward on further chouching, counseling and recommendation to the CoC for punishment which can include an Artile 15 or Courts Martial. Have that counseling with another NCO present and decide how you'll proceed then.

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Oct 16 at 2016 3:01 PM

PV2 Scott Goodpasture — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:01:23 -0400

Really? Things were much different in my time. An ass beating, an article 15 and riding in the back of a deuce and a half picking up garbage on my weekends

Response by SN Greg Wright made Oct 16 at 2016 3:12 PM

SN Greg Wright — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:12:17 -0400

So what DID you do?

Response by SGT Tom Middleton made Oct 16 at 2016 3:22 PM

SGT Tom Middleton — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:22:00 -0400

Wow! Sounds like suicide by NCO.I can't even imagine such a thing.

I would never let things get so out of control, but we are way past the nice guy approach now.

There is no other option but to smoke the hell out of him.

After discipline is restored in the unit (and it has to happen immediately)
...then its time to speak with the CDR an article 15.

At some point after the dust settles, the NCO's in the unit have to figure out what went wrong. Things should never get this bad.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Oct 16 at 2016 3:22 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:22:02 -0400

Can you take 'em? Informal counseling... can't? Art. 15

Response by LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 3:30 PM

LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:30:17 -0400

I dismiss him/her to the orderly room, take a witness, and first ask why your order was refused. Then instruct that person on the proper way to address an NCO. And get it all on paper.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 3:51 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:51:10 -0400

The push up, in cadence, exercise!

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Oct 16 at 2016 3:52 PM

SSG Ken Gilder — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 15:52:48 -0400

The appropriate response would be "Please see me after the formation is dismissed."

The leadership theory is that you praise in public, but criticize in private. Once I got him in private, I would explain to him, the "error of his ways," assign him to the crappiest detail, and tell him that if he ever pulled that kind of crap again, he could explain it to the First Sergeant, or to the Company Commander. (Dogs and damn fools get second chances.)

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Oct 16 at 2016 4:01 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:01:08 -0400

Is this a hypothetical question or does this actually happen in today's Army/MC/Navy/AF. Maybe some of the active duty RPers can weigh in with real life examples of this or something akin to this situation. I cannot get my mind around the idea as even potentially possible in any day and age, but things have been known to change over time. The scenario doesn't provide any background or insights into what exactly was going on.

Response by SFC George Smith made Oct 16 at 2016 4:44 PM

SFC George Smith — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:44:03 -0400

... Find the worse and Nastiest detail for the Clown...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 4:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:51:34 -0400

make him/her do some damn pushups !! then give them a counseling statement followed by some extra duty.

Response by SPC Michael Lawson made Oct 16 at 2016 4:55 PM

SPC Michael Lawson — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:55:16 -0400

In AIT, I was caught with cigarettes on my person. Instead of ART 15, I was to collect 5000 cigarette butts and have them lined up in formation by the next Sunday 1700 formation. I was about 2400 shy, and still got a summarized ART 15 for not collecting enough.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Oct 16 at 2016 4:55 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 16:55:19 -0400

1) Segregate the "problem child." Ask him to step to the side along with a trusted lieutenant (in my case a senior LCpl or a Cpl). "Cpl X, PFC Y, do me a favor and stand by next to the connex box for a moment. I'll be right with you. Cpl X, please wait for me."

2) Get the rest of the troops moving. I'm still in charge and they need to understand that. Segregating the "problem child" was the first part. The second part is reassigning Cpl X's duties to someone else (there's a reason for this below). "Cpl Z please take care of Cpl X's assignment." (if I have already given it out. If not adjust on the fly).

3) Investigate the problem. Although the troop might be blatantly disrepectful, there "may" be a reason for it. Everyone has a breaking point, sometimes it's a snapping point. In this case, we (Cpl X & I) need to find out what is going on. I am leading an investigation and he is acting as a witness. I'll walk through the last few minutes of our exchange and make sure I haven't missed a pertinent piece of info, that Cpl X saw everything, and that the troop understands the issue as I see it. The reason for investigation is that "I" might have been sending him into a hornet's nest and taking an $^% chewing from me may have seemed like a better option. Without investigating it's impossible to know. With investigation, it narrows things down and I have a witness.

4) Reassign, Escalate, and Document. "If" there is a valid reason for the troop not wanting to do the assignment (although unlikely), take it myself, have Cpl X do it, and have the troop take Cpl X's (or Cp l Z's etc). Work still has to get done. Further investigation may be necessary "on site" where a civilian/another person is abusing him (or had previously), and I need to find out what is going on. Depending on the severity depends on how I escalate. If the troop is non-cooperative, it gets escalated up the chain with Cpl X's witness statement. But everything gets documented. Everything gets backbriefed to my SL/PSG/etc so that there is a trail.

The big thing is to stay calm. Lose your cool, and you lose control.

Response by Maj John Bell made Oct 16 at 2016 5:34 PM

Maj John Bell — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 17:34:25 -0400

In any command of mine. At that response, he becomes a meritorious Private and gets to know the brig staff.

I don't care if his dog just died and his wife left him. Immediate, intelligent obedience is the only acceptable response to a legal order. Any NCO that accepts less warrants a meritorious demotion. To accept less is an open invitation to misconduct before the enemy.

I had a case where this happened and it turned out the Sgt was sleeping with the Pvts wife. Immediately upon completing the court-martial for the Pvt. We initiated the court martial for the Sgt. They got to be brig mates.

It is far kinder to beat a dog one time hard then a thousand times lightly.

EDIT: I believe someone edited the original question posted by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member I'm not sure why. The original question was better and makes the responses not quite as nuanced.

Response by MSgt John Taylor made Oct 16 at 2016 6:24 PM

MSgt John Taylor — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 18:24:49 -0400

"We will send you home to your mother a failure and a loser." E-2's don't act that way unless they think that the consequences are acceptable. But, most E-2's, probably haven't thought of all of the consequences. Remind them, in an uncaring fashion, that the path your both going down ends favorable for only one of you.

Response by SGT Robert Bodiford made Oct 16 at 2016 7:03 PM

SGT Robert Bodiford — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:03:40 -0400

I'd would have had the rest of the squad doing push-ups until their arms fell of and then put them in a private room with him with instructions that I would not be back for an hour.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Oct 16 at 2016 7:37 PM

Cpl Rc Layne — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:37:55 -0400

Investigate and evaluate. Investigate what caused the behavior and if there is a documented history of said behavior. Once you have done that, evaluate your options and act accordingly. Remember two things. You are in charge of investments made by the taxpayers, whether they appreciate it or not, and according to Sun Tzu, there are no bad soldiers, only bad generals.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Oct 16 at 2016 7:44 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 19:44:23 -0400

His team leader had better be all over him. That's what I would have seen in my units. Team leader would have blown his top.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 8:06 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:06:57 -0400

THROAT PUNCH!!!

Response by PO1 David Gibbens made Oct 16 at 2016 8:30 PM

PO1 David Gibbens — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:30:20 -0400

I can speak from experience on this one. On my first boat( yes I'm a submariner) as an E3 I was made Deck Div LPO, AKA Leading Seaman. While passing out the day's job assignments, I was told "f@#k no" by one of the new seaman. I was shocked to say the least. I went to the 1st LT, a TMCS, and informed him of my situation. He told me in no uncertain terms to take said individual to the back of the work barge and show him the error of his ways. I did so, physically. The young man never questioned me again.
Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me give you my opinion on this matter. This was the late '70s. We were still in the Viet Nam mind set. However; when did the military go from being a gung ho military organization to a job? "Ask him what's wrong". Really?! When you're at 400ft and there's a fire in the Torpedo Room, or you're someplace where people are shooting at you are you really going to take no as an answer?? Or are you going to kick him in his ass, and get him motivated to move in the right direction? I spent 20 years in the Submarine Force and I've seen people come and go. And the ones that went were sent haze gray and underway on surface ships. Which, BTW, was the same as failing. Next time someone tells a senior NCO he doesn't want to do something, point out that the contract he signed doesn't say anything about liking it. He (or she) doesn't have to like it. They just have to do it. STS1(SS) USN, Ret

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 8:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 20:48:00 -0400

You still have them do it and you wright them up and give them more things to do.

Response by Cpl Rebel Conyers made Oct 16 at 2016 10:37 PM

Cpl Rebel Conyers — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 22:37:13 -0400

HE OR SHE WOULD HAVE A ROUGH FOUR WEEKENDS OF MOTOR POOL, CLEANING HEADS, IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN THEN THEY WOULD TALK TO THE OLD MAN.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 10:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 22:46:08 -0400

Usually, if you establish yourself from the get go as alpha, you rarely get problems. In this case, you can go a few ways with it. A.) separate the Soldier from the pack and put it in writing and recommend punishment under UCMJ. Your chain of command ought to support your decision in recommending the Soldier to be meritoriously promoted to E-fuzzy. Or B.) If the Soldier was a solid performer and worth your time, you figure out what's going on that would cause them to act out so you, as his/her leader, can find a resolution....then there's C.) depending on your combatives savvy, your afternoon PT session involves the platoon learning about combatives with that problem Soldier as your training partner.

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made Oct 16 at 2016 11:46 PM

MSgt Keith Hebert — Sun, 16 Oct 2016 23:46:27 -0400

Step back and call out his section leader and him
Dismiss the platoon to continue the work detail
find out what is going on and what's with the attitude/ while giving a formal written counseling
Send him back to work detail and have section leader report back if any other problems arise

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 12:04 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 00:04:49 -0400

As a drill sergeant I would have handled this way different. Haha. But now I remain calm and tell them in formation that is fine, no problem, come see me after formation with your squad leader. The magic of the pen is so much stronger than me yelling anymore. This PVT learns really quickly he has made a bad choice. Their time is important to them and when they don't have as much of their time as they used to it usually changes their attitude. And when it doesn't they soon will have all the time they want as a civilian.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 2:00 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 02:00:07 -0400

I would react with mild shock because I would be trying to figure out why an E2 was in my formation.

Response by SCPO Paul Hill made Oct 17 at 2016 3:40 AM

SCPO Paul Hill — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 03:40:57 -0400

Going back to my tims, I would have that person stand tall and give them the most traumatic ass chewing of their adult life and then make sure that they were on every shitty job imagineable until I got tired.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 7:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 07:25:17 -0400

Bring him to a closed door session with another leader preferably your squad leader, with a counseling discussing the negative treatment. The way the army is now and they way that soldier is corrective training wouldn't work. remember now a days in the army corrective training isn't gonna sort out everything. He soldiers these days feel entitled and think they know everything. Look up article 91, easiest one to throw around and use against a bad mouthed soldier. Especially after a first offense you wouldn't need a paper trail for disrespecting a NCO. Do your homework and research that's basically 85% of your job.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 8:25 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 08:25:28 -0400

"stand by to stand by" while in formation, continue to give out anything else that you need to. After everyone is gone, have a higher rank with you (maybe E6 or above to witness the informal counseling). Ask them why they feel that the order you gave to them was not up to their standards (so to speak). If the response is still attitude driven, kick it into high gear (with tact) and explain to them that not doing a tasks that is assigned to them from a higher rank is considered insubordination and can be written down as "refusal to follow a direct order from a higher rank". Ask them if they want to continue to refuse, if they say yes, then have your E6 take over from there; you can only do so much as an E5. If it gets worse, wire it up the CoC.

One thing about being an E5 senior or not, you can only do so much within your power and sometimes having that backup of an E6 or higher helps put things into perspective for the E2. With the additional support you have, the E2 can either thing about what he/she said and do the task he/she was given or continue to be insubordinate. Plus when you need to give a verbal beatdown (again with tact) you can have that backup in case that E2 decides to say you were hazing him/her or whatever.

Also, please think before you act. Given it's a simple thing but a lot of leadership can just shoot from the hip and then they ask questions later.

All the Best!

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Oct 17 at 2016 8:33 AM

Cpl Justin Goolsby — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 08:33:25 -0400

Wow... when you said smart mouth, I assumed you were talking about cracking a joke and then I would have assumed you had a lax work environment. But that is blatant disrespect regardless how much time he has in or how long he's been under your charge. He needs to be taken to task immediately because that is a severe lack of respect for authority and can undermine your authority if he gets away with it.

Chances are he is someone who is literally trying to get kicked out. Maybe he is disillusioned with why he joined in the first place.

First, separate him from the rest of the platoon. Send the rest to do their work or whatever it is you were tasking them with. Talk to him on a one on one basis. Figure out what's going on. If the disrespect continues, then you bring it to the next chain higher whether it's your SNCO or workcenter supervisor or whomever. Brief them on the situation and then get to the bottom of it.

2 things are going to happen. You guys are going to break through to him and figure out where the lack of respect is coming and nip it in the bud. Or he's going to continue with his disrespect and then you'll probably be forced to do paperwork on him and punish him with cleaning the COs toilet after working hours. But if he's trying to get himself kicked out, make sure he knows that it's not going to work. We can make his life a whole lot more miserable if he thinks the military life sucks.

Either Fall In Line or Accept the Consequences

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Oct 17 at 2016 8:45 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 08:45:38 -0400

I would have said something like "Say what, you wake up this morning and decide to go fucking insane? Stand fast after formation." Figure out what the heck is going on after formation, decide where to go from there.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Oct 17 at 2016 8:52 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 08:52:47 -0400

Rallybook should have something like GoToMeeting where we could all log in and role play stuff. Hope I am still alive when they figure out some type of large virtual reality thing where we can really get into it.

Response by CPO David Chapman made Oct 17 at 2016 9:42 AM

CPO David Chapman — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 09:42:43 -0400

Inform them that it's not open to negotiation! Drop and give me 100 open your mouth again it will a long day before I get tired of watching you do push-ups then you will complete the assignment on your free time! Anyone else have an opinion they want to share?

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Oct 17 at 2016 9:48 AM

PO1 Jack Howell — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 09:48:00 -0400

It's simple. Address it immediately while in formation and then take the wayward lad somewhere private and tear him a new *******. Also, give written counseling so that you have proof if/when he/she does it again and in becomes necessary to take him/her to Captain's Mast (Article 15 or NJP).

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Oct 17 at 2016 10:32 AM

Cpl Glynis Sakowicz — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:32:41 -0400

Did happen. I was happy to oblige. Instead of the four hour road trip that was under question, my annoying troop found himself waxing a school bus for two days. Never had another problem with him.

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Oct 17 at 2016 11:19 AM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:19:47 -0400

Write up and counseling. If it happens again another write-up, more counseling, and possibly an Art.15-company level(2wk/2wk). 3rd time deserves a write up and art15-Co.lvl. no matter what. 4 th time go Field grade and out they go.

As to "counseling" - a problem private is your problem. You are required to fix. So be prepared to spend some time finding out what the real problem is and doing some correction, not just the paperwork and explaining why.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Oct 17 at 2016 11:22 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:22:07 -0400

I would probably still be in Leavenworth!

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 12:01 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:01:57 -0400

After reading through the comments a bit I noticed something of a trend. Why do Army Personnel go straight for the Article 15. I was trained throughout the Navy that sending them to Captains Mast (article 15) means that I the supervisor could not handle the situation at my level. Depending on the severity of the disrespect, i would tell said individual, to standby by after Quarters ( formation) for a "Discussion"and get the LPO (senior E6) to observe my counseling . If the offence is severe enough, I would have to make an example in front of the work center ( squad ).

Response by SCPO Frank Carson made Oct 17 at 2016 12:10 PM

SCPO Frank Carson — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:10:50 -0400

Are you the LPO? If so, Counseling Chit. Written out ready to submit. Have a meeting saying this is going in unless you can tell me what is up with your public pronouncements? If they continue with the complaining submit the chit. It appears that your E2 feels like they made a bad decision joining the Navy, or perhaps there are other unknown issues. It requires some research prior to dropping the hammer. You should seek the advice of your LPO or Chief. This on-line stuff is nice, but your LPO/chief can probably provide better advice.

Response by SPC Don Wynn made Oct 17 at 2016 12:32 PM

SPC Don Wynn — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:32:03 -0400

I know this is hypothetical, but is this some type of trend that is currently developing? Under no circumstances should this be tolerated. This is a safety issue above everything else. Especially if this is a combat unit! Regardless of the background behind the event, at the very least this would be an immediate walk to Top's office. The E-5 has neither training or authority to handle this type of encounter. I saw plenty of confrontations between E-4 and E-5, in barracks or field, but never in formation and never outright refusal of a order. But, a fresh faced E-2? Can't be tolerated.

Response by SGT Shane Willis made Oct 17 at 2016 12:52 PM

SGT Shane Willis — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 12:52:14 -0400

I would smoke that ads

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Oct 17 at 2016 1:14 PM

GySgt Kenneth Pepper — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:14:49 -0400

It must be nipped in the bud quickly and without hesitation. Having had a few minutes to think about it, here goes....
PFC Shitbird and his team leader stand fast. All others fall out and carry on.

Have PFC Dipshit stand by while I ensure his team leader knows what my expectations are; "Instant obedience to lawful orders. Period. Any other answer is unacceptable. The fact that PFC Dipshit thinks it is okay to open his trap is a direct reflection of your leadership. Take a look at how you are leading and determine how this could happen."

To PFC Dipshit; "If you have decided to end your time in the military you have chosen a sure-fire method. If you do not comply with lawful orders, it will eventually end with you on a bus headed for home. But only after spending the next few weeks/months becoming the example of what not to do. If that is what you want, we will go there. If not, get your ass moving on what you were ordered to do."

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 1:50 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:50:33 -0400

Man I miss the making little holes into big holes and vise versa, now is to much paperwork

Response by James Adair made Oct 17 at 2016 2:01 PM

James Adair — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:01:22 -0400

wait for all to leave then ask why this E-2 was being lippy give him every opportunity to explain

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Oct 17 at 2016 2:03 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:03:55 -0400

Hell this always happened when I first joined in 74, the solution is drop every one and have them do push up, then you join them for the second round of push up, then leave so that the rest instruct the E-2.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Oct 17 at 2016 2:07 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:07:10 -0400

Not every situation is the same, depends on some elements however that type of behavior either need to be corrected if possible or He needs to go. Only once did I have to carry it beyond My control, and relieved an Airman on post, had Him turn in His weapon and tell Him He would not be working again unless told to do so. He had not only did He disobey an order but created a scene. I informed the upper echelon of our unit I didn't want Him working for Me again ever, whatever You do with him don't send Him back to me or My men. We don't need Him or want Him. We was given an Article 15, his promotion to E3 was red lined, , He was reduced in rank from from E2 to E1 and removed from the career field. That is the only time in all my time as an NCO I ever had to do that. I had not only the support of My senior Officers and NCOs but the other men that worked for Me as well. That was back when i was a SSgt. I just over 22 years in uniform He was the only one to ever work for Me that I had to take that action with. All the rest were good troops and we all worked well together and most I never had to tell to do anything, they knew their jobs and did what was expected of them. That one man just didn't get the concept of teamwork !

Response by SPC George Adkins made Oct 17 at 2016 2:22 PM

SPC George Adkins — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:22:44 -0400

Punching them squarely in the face would get the best long term results. Others would think twice before doing something so stupid. The downside is the jail sentence. Might be worth it, though.

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Oct 17 at 2016 2:42 PM

SGT Robert Wager — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:42:29 -0400

Yeah... This type of situation is apparently handled differently in today's military. There would have been a swarm of NCOs crawling on that poor private in my day.

My first response would have been to tell Private %^&K Nut to close his mouth. My next response would be to release the rest of the formation to start their duties. Others have posted that they would ask if there was some sort of personal problem that might be going on in this young soldier's life. My response to this is that if you are good NCO you would know that long before you have that soldier in front of you in formation. It is your job to know if there is something wrong. Obviously, this S&*T stain has simply developed an attitude. It is also your job as an NCO to correct that attitude. Disrespect me in formation you get a ticket to see the PSG and 1SG for more "formal" discipline. Counseling recommending UCMJ action be taken. Summarized article 15, 14X14 would be appropriate if this is the first time something like this has happened. This gives Joe the opportunity to correct himself without it traveling with him for the rest of his career. Commanders have the tools in their toolbox to fix these problems, NCOs have a duty to give them the chance.

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Oct 17 at 2016 3:10 PM

CPO Randy Francis — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:10:09 -0400

Take them to the side and tell them that if they don't fucking do it they'll be cleaning heads for the next 6 months...with their toothbrush.

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made Oct 17 at 2016 3:38 PM

SGT Philip Roncari — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:38:52 -0400

I cannot resist answering this post,although it has little to do with E2s who smart mouth,it does have a discipline method I found effective dealing with,let's say unruly troops.I was a patrolling instructor at Fort Polk La.upon my return from Vietnam,in the AIT phase of their training they were required to do day and night patrols under my supervision,a group of trainees had been giving trouble to other instructor and since I happened to be at the time the E5 on the range with the most experience on this certain AO,(been on the range for almost a year) anyway there were two options,the dry one and the wet one ,up to your neck in a Louisiana swamp pitch black night with simulators going off around you,I chose the latter for the miscreants and a fun night was had by all,probably wouldn't work in today's PC Army but worked just fine for me!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 3:51 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:51:50 -0400

I have been in this position only with a specialist (e4) not a pvt. I gave and order for said specialist to perform a work detail. He refused. I pulled him to the side gave the order again. 2nd refusal. By that point I was livid. I asked why. He stated that by right of duty position we were equal and he shouldn't have to do a detail like that when there were other soldiers who could do it. Now I was seeing red. I reminded him that I was a sergeant (e5) and by that fact alone I out ranked him he said he didn't care what my rank was. I then "forcibly" informed him to report to the platoon office and stand by. I calmly reassigned the detail and went to the plt office. No specialist. He had talked with the platoon sergeant; who happened to be his tank commander and said I was singling him out because I knew he was a better soldier than me and he deserved the stripes not me. The platoon Sergeant said that he would handle it. I informed to PSG that I wanted to handle it since it was me that specialist disrespected. He asked what I planned to do. I informed him that I have already counseled that soldier on his attitude towards me before. This time I wanted to push for a summarized Art 15. The PSG said that I had some balls and he didn't think the 1SG or CO would do that to this particular specialist but if I wanted it then go. 1SG agreed commander didn't scared the hell out of the specialist and prevented him before appearing in front of next promotion board because of it. Earned my rep as a no bullsh17 NCO.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 4:11 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:11:37 -0400

I would give the rest if the detail out then woodline counseling.

Response by PO1 David Swift made Oct 17 at 2016 4:26 PM

PO1 David Swift — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:26:38 -0400

I'm old school Navy so he wouldn't of been standing in formation for long and would of been picking his ass off the ground. Today's Navy would of been counseling.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 4:28 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:28:59 -0400

I would keep that Soldier standing fast and have another NCO present to protect all parties present.........because if the E-2 has the balls to state what they did in the first place, then they probably have the stones to scream abuse and what not.......and explain to them that they were provided a lawful order to execute their duties. Also, I would inform them that if this type of action happens again, then a recommendation for a Company Grade Article 15 will be submitted for disrespect to an NCO, failure to follow a lawful order, and willful dereliction of duty. And of course, I would have this done in a counseling form and also have all that was present that heard the E-2 say this, write up their narrative in a sworn statement.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 4:34 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 16:34:51 -0400

I've dealt with this and I'm a Specialist not an NCO. I calmly remind them that I told them to do it and that things could be worse. Now I have it a little bit easier though all my orders are backed up by my squad leader and my platoon sgt. Usually when I have to delegate details or jobs it's because my squad leader is away. So if it continues it goes straight to a SFC. I have no pitty for those who get on his bad side.

Response by SGT Jason Mouret made Oct 17 at 2016 5:18 PM

SGT Jason Mouret — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:18:38 -0400

Well first I have to say, I was always the Soldier to disagree with Madan task. Never in front of other soldiers but off to the side. I was very fortunate to have a squad leader who understood my disagreement. I never questioned a direct order. But we have all had the daily task of BS. I never tried to get out of doing work but if I could make it easier to complete the task with less men ,so others could have down time I did.
So when I became a Sgt. No one questioned me because they knew I had already broken down the task and what was left had to be done. I believe if I ever had a solider disrespect me my other soldiers would have had a little talk with them.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 5:31 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:31:50 -0400

Permanent shitty details until they accept one without complaint.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 5:50 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:50:20 -0400

When I was in basic at Ft. Lewis in '73, I made a smartass remark that was overheard by my Drill Sargeant while we were in the field. 50 push-ups with a PRC-77 and an M60 on my back was the first phase. Then I humped those two pieces of equipment, along with my M16 and basic gear for the next 72 hours. Upon returning from the field, I had latrine duty for two weeks. It was amazing how my attitude changed, I was told.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 6:31 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:31:58 -0400

Take them around the corner of the building after formation and perform corrective training. Don't put it on paper unless you need to and don't call them out in public.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 7:09 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 19:09:41 -0400

Assign the task to someone else, counsel the soldier after formation and then report the incident immediately to the platoon sergeant or if you are the platoon sergeant, to the first sergeant.

The NCO chain will then do its job either by identifying the soldier's problem (who knows what he is going through), and either informally or formally punishing as appropriate.

As a company commander I had a soldier who started mouthing off to his squad leader and platoon sergeant. The first sergeant and I talked about it a few times, and after learning that the soldier's brother had just committed suicide, we got that soldier help instead of an article 15.

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Oct 17 at 2016 7:44 PM

SPC Brian Mason — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 19:44:46 -0400

The knife hand to the face and all insults and more from Full Metal Jacket.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 7:47 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 19:47:19 -0400

I'm old school, and it would probably be the last time you disrespected me. I had a private challenge my authority and he had some remedial training on how to dig a proper hole in the sand. Lets just say when he was done we could have buried a deuce and a half. Problem solved!

Response by SMSgt John Clifford made Oct 17 at 2016 8:01 PM

SMSgt John Clifford — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:01:24 -0400

A Letter of Repremand would be appropriate.

Response by CW3 Matt Hutchason made Oct 17 at 2016 8:36 PM

CW3 Matt Hutchason — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:36:54 -0400

So, I'm reading all of these responses and there seems to be a whole bunch of "have a witness" and "counsel this or that". My experience when I was an NCO was that if a kid loud talked one NCO in the Battery, it was akin to loud talking all of the NCO's in the Battery. All of the NCO's in the Battery would get the situation squared away. Granted, that was the early '90's in the Corps when things were a bit different. Besides that, lower enlisted guys bucking up on an NCO were very few and far between, very rare.

Response by MSG Steve Gipson made Oct 17 at 2016 8:48 PM

MSG Steve Gipson — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:48:42 -0400

Right to the orderly room, ask why they refused your order. Have a witness. Them smoke them all day.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Oct 17 at 2016 10:23 PM

SSG Jeremy Sharp — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:23:34 -0400

I would take immediate corrective action in front of that same formation. You cannot allow toxic behavior to usurp your authority in front of your command structure. The effect can be devastating on unit discipline. Military bearing and professionalism are the foundation on which duty and mission performance are built.

Response by SGT Leroy Brown made Oct 17 at 2016 10:42 PM

SGT Leroy Brown — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 22:42:36 -0400

"The pen is mightery than the sword!"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 11:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Oct 2016 23:35:24 -0400

Calmly tell them? Fuck that! I'm yelling in their fucking ear & just waiting for a physical reaction so I can drop the SOB on his head. That's the way we did it back in the Old Army Infantry, hooah!

Response by SFC Bayardo Reyes made Oct 18 at 2016 9:18 AM

SFC Bayardo Reyes — Tue, 18 Oct 2016 09:18:55 -0400

is this in the Corps or the Navy? Either way, seems to be an issue through out all services. Soldiers or marines are not being broke down and build back up as they use to. So approach is totally different from 10+ years ago. Discussion can begin with "At ease", then "Stand by after formation", conduct one on one counseling verbally. (Your career can depend on it, depending on how your chain of command is)
At the same time, by experience most soldiers will do as they see (like kids with their parents) If they see NCOs or Officers do the same as example, why they cant do the same?. This is where you step in as an NCO and explain about Discipline and provide leadership instead of just barking. What kind of climate/environment is this?

Response by LTC David Zimmerman made Oct 18 at 2016 10:50 AM

LTC David Zimmerman — Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:50:07 -0400

I disagree with the word Punish, you deal with the issue right then since there are 20 other enlisted men that will judge you on how you handle this situation. You are punishing, you are correcting a illegal act. From being enlisted in USMC and 82nd Abn, I've had this happen. Thank God I witnessed a senior Sergeant in the same situation and did what he did. I called two other NCOs over, told the soldier to assume the position of attention. I then calmly to told him, with my fellow Sgts standing there, did I hear him correctly that he was refusing a lawful order, specifically Article 92, and would be subject to the consequences. He started to say something and one of the other SGTs immediately shut him down and said, it was a yes or no question. I asked him the question again. He said he was not refusing and was cut off again by me this time when he wanted to talk. The other SGT, then asked the platoon, who was going to let the PFC not do his fair share of work. The first time this PFC got smart. This is important point, we still wrote his ass up, put him on extra duty for 3 days, working by himself, and kept the counseling sheet if it ever happened again.

Another time I was witness and helped when the PVT refused and would not comply. He was separated and marched right to the 1SGT where hell was unleashed.
Discipline is absolute. Without it, an unit breaks down into a mob.

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Oct 18 at 2016 1:06 PM

SSG Wally Lawver — Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:06:18 -0400

Release everyone else to the plan of the day,,,,Keep this mouthy individual and make their day,week,month suck (as long as it takes for them to see the light) Document it with a counseling, just incase this individual continues down the road of poor choices:)

Response by Pvt Loren Giles made Oct 18 at 2016 1:19 PM

Pvt Loren Giles — Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:19:50 -0400

Tell him he has no choice, I am giving a lawful order so finish the exercise

Response by PO2 Michael D. Haines made Oct 18 at 2016 1:25 PM

PO2 Michael D. Haines — Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:25:56 -0400

Black eye, Bloody nose, Fat lip.

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Oct 19 at 2016 12:57 AM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Wed, 19 Oct 2016 00:57:11 -0400

well....That is just nice soldier...see me after formation in tops office....you gonna learn today.

Response by PO2 Terry Baars made Oct 19 at 2016 4:20 AM

PO2 Terry Baars — Wed, 19 Oct 2016 04:20:59 -0400

Remove him from the formation take them to my office and deal with him in private

Response by AA Brett Pruitt made Oct 19 at 2016 10:26 AM

AA Brett Pruitt — Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:26:00 -0400

Pulled to a private location with a witness and given one opportunity to defend their actions. Then comes the ultimatum. Fall in or drum out.

Response by PO1 Kenneth Smith made Oct 19 at 2016 11:19 AM

PO1 Kenneth Smith — Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:19:27 -0400

Failure to obey a lawful order. Write him up. That individual will not learn any clearer. S/He is trying to buck the system.

Response by PFC Kyle Shrader made Oct 19 at 2016 12:13 PM

PFC Kyle Shrader — Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:13:26 -0400

Smoke him. Front leaning rests until I'm tired, then some front, back, goes, maybe some iron mikes.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2016 1:22 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:22:23 -0400

I too believe in praise in public, punish in private. So far in my military career there has only been three times where I had to really get to the heart of the matter, in my office away from the other troops with one of my other NCO peers in the room to add more weight and substance to the matter at hand. But as far as the E-2 is concerned, he has lost his frickin' mind. If I issue a lawful order not contrary to good order and discipline, then that PFC needs to just say "Aye, Aye Corporal"....and carry out what he was ordered to do. If not, that's ok cause after he does what he is supposed to...Stand by! I was always fair to my Marines and never used my position as power, but if they thought they didn't have to obey an order because they didn't feel like it, they would quickly understand that their personal concerns do not come before the mission at hand (other than threat to human life or something of that serious magnitude.)

Response by CPT Andrew Wright made Oct 20 at 2016 1:37 AM

CPT Andrew Wright — Thu, 20 Oct 2016 01:37:44 -0400

Pushups till I got tired!

Response by CPO Dave Homan made Oct 27 at 2016 10:42 AM

CPO Dave Homan — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:42:06 -0400

Stomp on the little bastard and get him/her turning to!

Response by PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson made Oct 27 at 2016 11:08 AM

PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:08:58 -0400

There's obviously a good order and discipline issue here. This Apprentice obviously doesn't respect the E5's mess, and unless you were telling him to do something wildly inappropriate, it's time to find out whether or not he respects the Chief's mess.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 1:05 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:05:12 -0400

Always pull the Soldier aside let them state there case and counsel the E2, about how respect is honored and the job still has to be completed by that Soldier. After the mission is complete and he still has a issue we can take it up with next higher chain in the Soldiers Command

Response by CWO2 Richard Rose made Oct 27 at 2016 5:15 PM

CWO2 Richard Rose — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:15:46 -0400

I had that exact thing happen way back when I was a young RM2 and Class Petty Officer for the IMCO course that I was TAD from my ship to Attend. There was an RMSA (E-2) that was nine years my senior, but three grades my junior. I had the class members in a rotation to clean the classroom and take out the trash. When, it came to the E-2's time he refused and said, no 19 year old Petty Officer is going to tell me to do crap. Being a fleet sailor I had no problem dressing him down. Well, a Staff Chief just happened to walk by the class room as he began to mouth. You guessed it. I had my cleaning crew for the next ten weeks. I firmly believe in praise in public, chastise in private. I broke my run that day, but sometimes ou have to get down to their level to get your point across.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 9:26 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:26:18 -0400

Holy fucking shit....I've been in for almost two years and I would never ever say anything but yes to my NCO unless it was unconstitutional.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 3:33 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 15:33:32 -0400

Make certain the E@ understands that I just gave him/her an order and I expect it to be carried out.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Nov 4 at 2016 6:00 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:00:57 -0400

There would be formal counseling and If It kept being a Problem then Put into writing and tell that is not acceptable and If it continues I would Recommend a AR15 under the UCMJ
and Be discharged. SSG MARK FRANZEN VET

Response by David Wawrzyniak made Nov 17 at 2016 8:44 PM

David Wawrzyniak — Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:44:41 -0500

Sir yes sir

Response by SFC Ricky Fraley made Dec 27 at 2016 9:33 AM

SFC Ricky Fraley — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:33:29 -0500

If you are a senior E5and you need to ask this question, then you do not need to be promoted to E6. Take his ass to the Platoon Leader request an article15 for insubordination. Take his money and his spare time. Maybe you should pay better attention while in warrior leader course and BNCO. Fuck I can't believe you asked this. Are you a fucking snowflake?

Response by MGySgt Gerry Sweeten made Dec 27 at 2016 9:57 AM

MGySgt Gerry Sweeten — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:57:43 -0500

It's called OFFICE HOURS for disobedience of an order!!!!!

Response by MSgt Currie C. made Dec 27 at 2016 12:39 PM

MSgt Currie C. — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 12:39:44 -0500

If you are a senior E5 and you don't know what to do, maybe you shouldn't be a E5.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2016 3:47 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:47:45 -0500

I had this exact thing happen to me once. I told an airman to do something, and he told me "I DON'T WORK FOR YOU".

Excuse me, airman?

"I don't work for you, I work for Sergeant XXX".

Now, I had been out of the Marine Corps for maybe 12 years and in the Air Force for 10 years by this time, but I saw red and the old knife hand appeared, and I proceeded to explain to him about stripes and ranks and that he WOULD do what I told him or he and I would be in front of the commander immediately.

I was LOUD. They probably heard it 500 yards away.

When I finished, I asked him if he understood me, and he was trying to get under an airplane to get away from me, and telling me "Yes, sir" repeatedly.

We really got along well after that. Never another problem from him, with me or anybody else.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made Dec 28 at 2016 11:15 AM

SSgt Michael Cox — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:15:18 -0500

I had this happen on the flight line and you can't let a fresh troop belittle you in front of the others or the rest will start to think they can walk all over you too. I would tell him/her to meet me in the office and then tell the others to get to their assigned duties. I would then ask him with a few colorful metaphors what his/her problem is. I would then tell them that if they have a real life problem to let me know but you will not smart off to me or any NCO in front of the others ever. I would then give him/her the task again and inform the individual that if they refuse again they will get a written counseling that will be put their jacket and let them know how it can effect his/her annual report and time in the military.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Dec 28 at 2016 12:04 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:04:31 -0500

Not going to chew on them, it's better done in private. Maybe there's something brewing, they may be hanging with the wrong bunch.. so I'll have him hang back and we'll find out what the reason is for the attitude and what we can do to remedy the sit-rep.
Meanwhile I'll assign them to assist in another detail with some I know have a more positive attitude.

Response by SSgt Bruce Wood made Dec 28 at 2016 12:41 PM

SSgt Bruce Wood — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:41:00 -0500

I would put him on report and have him report to the squadron or unit Sgt.Maj. and nip the problem in the bud immediately. If you let the individual slide by then you will continue having problems from the individual and you would lose the respect of the rest of the troops under your responsibility

Response by CSM Ralph Hernandez made Dec 28 at 2016 12:57 PM

CSM Ralph Hernandez — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:57:25 -0500

I would definitely find out where the hell that came from, do my counseling, and give him some extra details as corrective action. But then I would step back and look in the mirror. I have noticed being in the mess hall last year that E-1's and E-2's eating with E-5's. During my young Soldier days that we were never allowed to eat with our NCO's and when we did it was a privilege. I am not saying that all NCOs are the same, but we have NCOs trying to be friends. You can't be a friend and lead. They need to know that you care for them but they neef leadership, not friendship. Just the thoughts of an old SGM.

Response by Capt Ed Heick made Dec 28 at 2016 11:17 PM

Capt Ed Heick — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 23:17:45 -0500

You take the lead and responsibility you have earned and repeat the command one more time. Should the E2 not respond in a positive manner and complete the task given an Article 15 would be appropriate.
You have to take command of the situation or there will never be any respect from the remaining individuals in the formation. When you are in command. .Command.

Response by PO3 Krys Stromsted made Dec 29 at 2016 3:03 AM

PO3 Krys Stromsted — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 03:03:33 -0500

A 'gentle' reminder that unlike the civilian society, the military is NOT a democracy. He will, of course, have extra duties to remind him that when he's given an order, it's NOT optional. Of course, it's been a LOOONG time since I've been in the military so I'm sure there are PLENTY of great people out there who have a better ideas than I do.

Response by SSG Everett Wilson made Dec 29 at 2016 4:56 AM

SSG Everett Wilson — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 04:56:47 -0500

1. push-ups. 2. additional training. and if that doesn't work, take out an pen and start writing the individual up. as the senior e5 when squad leaders wouldn't handle their squads, i simply went to attention called the platoon to attention, had them do a half right face and put them in the front leaning rest. only took once.

Response by CPL Leslie Andrews made Dec 29 at 2016 9:34 AM

CPL Leslie Andrews — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:34:55 -0500

I would move on with my work assignments. Dismiss the formation. Confine him to quatters to prepare for inspection while I submit papper work from reduction in rank and extra duty starting with the order he refused. Hopefully this corrective action would reedducate him to perform up his maximum political.

Response by CW2 Albert Gorham made Dec 29 at 2016 9:52 AM

CW2 Albert Gorham — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:52:53 -0500

I will see you in the captians office

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 11:00 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:00:10 -0500

I never experienced it directly. Facial gestures and actions maybe. Complaining is different from disobeying a direct order. We used to joke that when the junior enlisted stopped bitching then it was time to worry. Handle as a leader whose goals were mission and welfare. Best to handle privately after formation but utilize his team or squad leader so they can be aware and learn. Never argue in formation. Praise publicly and often, counsel privately. Just be firm, fair, and treat with dignity despite his infraction. He might one day get through this phase and become a leader himself, and he will remember how it was handled and pattern his conduct accordingly so make sure you set the right example. Carry out the business of the formation and have a chat afterward. Communication is key and that includes listening but not in front of the platoon. Authoritative type leader just locks his body at attention and has a one way conversation. A less forceful one might ask his view to see if it's a legitimate reason or just because he wants to complain, and go from there. Tell his leaders and him what your decision is and let them handle it. So many tools available before resorting to paper. Besides the task assigned they could assign extra military instruction (EMI) to correct his deficiencies (ditch or sand bag detail, burn shitters, fire watch). From there it depends on his level of cooperation; everything from counselling to NJP (US Army Art. 15) but that is extreme and only if the situation dictates. Then just monitor his progress and stay informed by his leaders. If time is key, just tell him to "at ease" his mouth and that the task assigned is a direct order. Then dismiss platoon and tell leader(s) to monitor his progress. Carry on with your daily duties.

Response by PO1 Robert Johnson made Dec 29 at 2016 12:04 PM

PO1 Robert Johnson — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:04:02 -0500

This is more than a case of "Smart Mouthing". This is outright insubordination and needs to be addressed as such. Have the individual report to you immediately after formation and then deal with whatever is going on in the appropriate manner.

On the other hand, I would like to know why an E-5 is asking this question? Is it that you actually don't know what to do or is it that you are looking for affirmation of your actions?

Response by SFC Dante Alanis made Dec 29 at 2016 12:17 PM

SFC Dante Alanis — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:17:49 -0500

I always punished under the same setting the disrespect occurred. Apparently he didn't have the courtesy to ask his supervisor to speak on the side and explain. However, this was known in advance during initial counseling to all my soldiers. If they choose to question my orders in public, they knew what would happen in advance.

Response by PO2 Christopher Sennett made Dec 29 at 2016 12:30 PM

PO2 Christopher Sennett — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:30:17 -0500

I would take said E2 to the side and find out what their major malfunction is. If they continue to give me attitude, I will certainly ask my First Class or Chief for advice on how to best proceed. Being their friend is not required of me to do my job. I just need to respect them, and show them by example that I know what I am doing. Jumping on them in formation shows that you lack professionalism. I agree that there could be something going on with them that is not known, and that is causing the issue. If that is the case, it can be dealt with in private, especially if the situation is of a sensitive nature, and does not need to be broadcast to the unit en masse.

Response by SGT Jason Ellenburg made Dec 29 at 2016 12:53 PM

SGT Jason Ellenburg — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:53:28 -0500

One of my minions tried that with me; a female PFC out of training for less than three months. For the record, I called the supply team under me my minions as a joke at one point, but the term stuck. Likewise, they all referred to me as "boss." When I got out, they all gave me little minion figures hand-painted to make their coveralls ACUs.

When this particular PFC mouthed off over an assignment in platoon formation over her assignment, I told her to see me after formation with a smile. I only smiled when I was pissed. My plan was to either remove her skull and scoop out the insubordination or help her deal with the issues that caused the insubordination before giving her an appropriate punishment.

I took the soldier into the supply room and had a nice long chat with her (the other minions were doing their duties in the room, so we weren't alone). I was a little laid back in it because I could tell she was having problems. I found out what the problem was, something concerning relations in her family, and did what I could to assist her. Ultimately, I referred her to the Chaplain who helped her through what I couldn't. She was very thankful for the help and even bought coffee the next day for the supply room.

She was slightly upset with having to "mop" the supply room with a washcloth because she mouthed off in formation, but I made sure to explain why she was doing what she was doing. I also explained that she should come to me with any problems in the future rather than just letting them stew until something bad happened. In all, I felt that I handled the situation well. I helped the soldier with the problems that caused the issue and then meted out a decent punishment to negatively reinforce future issues.

Another soldier (E-2 getting ready for his E-3) tried that without any reason or problems, but just because he thought he could get away with it. So, I made him put on full battle rattle, check out a rubber duck, and low-crawl through the entire motor pool to check proper placement of each of the vehicle chalk blocks and drip pans. The unit was a BSB, so the entire thing took him close to six hours. I made him do it again the next day because he missed the fact that I removed the chalk blocks from one of the vehicles in the middle of the motor pool. The second time he found the one I removed.

Response by SFC Corrie Meade made Dec 29 at 2016 12:58 PM

SFC Corrie Meade — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:58:33 -0500

ive read the responses about summarized ar15 here. had an old army e7 ask me about how I was going to handle a pfc who was disrespectful and insubordinate. I said summarized ar15. he said not no but hell no, if your going to take him to see the old man your taking him there for 3 things: his rank, his money, his time. otherwise handle it yourself. as for this shit bag, I would be taking him to see the old man for his rank, his money and his time. you can guarantee that would be the last time any private or specialist would be disrespectful in formation or in front of his buddies

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 1:36 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:36:57 -0500

He would be decorating rocks during police calls, front/side planks, pull-ups, extra instruction in mcmap, advanced instruction in field days(Chinese field days), scuz brush the deck, mopp suit drills, fire watch, gear watch, reciting definition of discipline, filling sand bags, sledge hammering rocks, wall sits, listening to hagee music for R/R cultural competency training

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 1:43 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:43:17 -0500

Have the Soldier and a couple of witnesses stand by after the formation. Have the witnesses provide a sworn statement to the event. Write up a Article 15 recommendation counseling and let the system do what it does. AFTER the recommendation is in the process, give the Soldier an opportunity to "explain himself or herself" and let the way in which he or she takes the correction to the approach dictate your recommendation to the commander for appropriate punishment.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Dec 29 at 2016 1:57 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:57:34 -0500

Old corps. I'd knock him out right there on the spot. Transition corps. I'd write him up and take his stripe. New corps. I'd apologize for hurting his feelings and tell him to go to his safe space. I'd then find someone else to do the work he doesn't want to do.

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Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Dec 29 at 2016 2:05 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:05:12 -0500

"How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?"
How would I while in formation? Not at all. The privet WANTS a reaction in front of his peers. I'm not giving him that
Then later, we would have a discussion.
That said,,, I think the Soldiers KNOW, or think they do anyway, which leaders can be pushed that way and will bend. And which will not.
In 28 years I had only two SM that pushed that way..
The story of one is here someplace......readers mostly agreed with my actions of dealing with the situation and one found a way to be outraged..and butt hurt as if it had been him that physically attacked and was put on the ground.

The other was a new privet in Basic, that was not mentally all there.. After the guidon staff was pried from his hands, and he was restrained further... there was no SM in that company who thought it was a good idea and likely to be successful at telling the DS .".F off, Im not moving, you cant make me, No man can give me an order, only God can do that, and your not god"

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 29 at 2016 3:20 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:20:12 -0500

Pass revoke action time. Counsel in private, strip a few privileges as allowed by your CoC, and add something in for corrective counseling from 5 PM to 11:45 PM with formations every 15 minutes for said Mouth piece. Take pass privileges away for a couple of weeks, and see if he wants to open his trap again.

Response by LCpl Stephen Arnold made Dec 29 at 2016 3:57 PM

LCpl Stephen Arnold — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:57:14 -0500

Call for a Corpsman, PRONTO!

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Dec 29 at 2016 4:08 PM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:08:55 -0500

After we got back from the hospital where they surgically removed my lower extremity from his rectal region, he would be mopping up rain on the tarmac until I told him to stop. Then we would have the cleanest and most well kept latrines on the installation after he cleaned them with a toothbrush. Unfortunately, nowadays you can't dole out punishment like that or you will get in trouble. I was late to roll call one time...one time only. My Chief took me down the hall by the ear and kicked me into his office, dressed me up and down about the meaning of punctuality, then literally kicked my rectal region out of his office. Nowadays, I would give paperwork after keeping them behind after the formation left and insist to the commander and shirt to take a stripe for insubordination.

Response by PO1 Ron Clark made Dec 29 at 2016 4:10 PM

PO1 Ron Clark — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:10:37 -0500

Oh they would keep the assignment. Place them at parade rest(YOU CANT TALK FROM THE POSITION OF PARADE REST), Dismiss the unit after I finished the daily plan distributions, call them to attention march their butt over to where ever our area is. Ask them about any problems, concerns or questions to see if they had anything bothering them, personally, family, financial or militarily, if yes to any of these questions then we would work through until we found a solution. If the answer is no problems with any of those areas, then I would supervise them doing the task previously assigned. If they refused then it's time to see the old man, if they were just mouthing off, He would have EMI Extra Military Instruction until Moses parted the Red Seas again, (Or until I see a change in for the better in their attitude). I never rejoiced in writing up a Sailor for some minor infraction that could be corrected by understanding and some military instruction, but sometimes the chips have to fall where they may and damn the torpedos! Because like someone said earlier a trip to the Captain or XO for that matter could lead into very career damaging waters , i.e., rank/time/money/career loss, which may be unnecessary and could possibly be diverted with a proper understanding of the individual and or their problem/s.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 29 at 2016 4:26 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:26:51 -0500

A throat punch sounds appropriate at the time and then allow him to simultaneously drop to the floor. Then tell someone to call 911 and ask if anyone else has a smart ass remark? Then continue handing out work day assignments as before and step over the body.

Response by PO2 David Walimaki made Dec 29 at 2016 5:17 PM

PO2 David Walimaki — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:17:42 -0500

Private chat, first. If there is no reason given for his unwillingness to do his job, or the attitude doesn't change, write him up. Shipmates who saw what happened will know the result.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Dec 29 at 2016 5:36 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:36:38 -0500

See how many push-ups he can do before I get tired of watching(I'm old school).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 7:05 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:05:08 -0500

Stand fast PVT after formation. Woodline counseling from sun up to sun down!

Response by Cpl Joshua Caldwell made Dec 29 at 2016 7:43 PM

Cpl Joshua Caldwell — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:43:17 -0500

A public challenge like that, I would lose my freaking mind on him. That would be the only choice possible. I would eventually run out of air, and have to assign his squad leader to supervise him doing some horrible task for the rest of the day. I might get creative here and have him push a 5 ton to the wash rack or something

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 29 at 2016 7:49 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:49:30 -0500

That is too blatant. Do a charge sheet

Response by LCpl Eddie Reynolds made Dec 29 at 2016 9:22 PM

LCpl Eddie Reynolds — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:22:45 -0500

When he finishes running wind sprints next week sometime then you should assign him 500 pushups next. After that it is your choice of activities.

Response by GySgt Melissa Gravila made Dec 29 at 2016 9:34 PM

GySgt Melissa Gravila — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:34:19 -0500

I would inform the Marine that "a request is nothing but a polite order.Just because I said please doesn't mean it is up for debate." Complete the task, and we will talk afterwards. If the Marine is still feeling froggy, whatever the excuse, he is gonna be jumping!

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Dec 29 at 2016 10:23 PM

MSgt Wayne Morris — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:23:42 -0500

Had a situation similar years back at a small duty location in the middle of a large civilian area. Small military numbers, no "real base" around and an OIC the same age of some of these barely out of their teens who liked to party with them. Had an E4 report more than an hour late for swing shift on a Sunday, uniform looked as if had been slept in and wearing athletic shoes. When questioned why late stated he had lost track of time, forgot uniform shoes and didn't do laundry. Instructed him to return to his quarters, and return most rapidly in a clean, pressed uniform with proper footwear. Twice, the second time stated as a direct order. Told me to "F" myself and as mentioned had problems already with some new troops who thought they were more civilian than military. Didn't say anything more but picked up the phone and called the senior controller on duty, explained the situation and requested a senior NCO's presence. Not much later an E8 showed up, ascertained the problem and restated the order, again refused. Escorted out by local security, directed troops to sit down individually and write statements, OIC notified and did my own homework with Personnel on Monday and learned that he was already on Control Roster for insubordination to a commissioned officer and was only allowed to PCS because he was on a remote and the dirt bag OIC and never told the staff NCO's. In summary, I requested an Article 15, OIC tried to talk me into accepting an "apology". Lost stripe and more roster time but the other kids who thought it was all a joke and game all of a sudden realized they were in the military and the other Flight Chiefs noticed an extreme change in attitude also. Sometimes you need to burn down the outhouse to get the stink out.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Dec 30 at 2016 6:32 AM

SGT Bryan O'Reilly — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 06:32:56 -0500

If you find yourself arguing with an E-2 you need remedial leadership training. You are molding character, the clay is in your hands. Discipline must be swift, decisive and carry the message that you are not paid to argue with pvts. Make an example but not a spectacle. If you are able to, try to consider the indiv. and teach him a lesson without ruining his career, you may have a good soldier who just needs to get guidence. But you need to have control of your people
Best of luck

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Dec 30 at 2016 7:47 AM

CPO Charles Helms — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 07:47:22 -0500

It would be a very one sided conversation, with me doing all the talking!!! Then every working party either he or she would be assigned!! They would also not go on Liberty until all divisional spaces were cleaned for the next 14 days!!! Section leaders would be given his ID card at the end of the day!! Giving it to him after his work was inspected!!! In the Navy I grew in some other form of punishment might have been used!!! I found out using working parties and Liberty solved a lot problems!!

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 30 at 2016 8:17 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 08:17:08 -0500

Turn over the formation to next ranking NCO, tell E2 to follow you to your office. Pull out your copy of UCMJ, and counseling form. Put E2 at parade rest. Read possible charges, ask if he wants to see CO for Article 15 punishment or deal with you. Get to the bottom of the problem. Find a solution! Fill out the counseling form, give him your punishment and tell him if he keeps his act together the counseling and your memory will disappear in 3-6 months. Then find his team leader, and jump him for letting the problem fester

Response by PO3 John Priest made Dec 30 at 2016 10:48 AM

PO3 John Priest — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:48:17 -0500

I would handle it the same way I handle insubordination at work. I would ask him and the Leading Seaman to stay behind for a moment and "have a conversation", documenting the event...If there's something hidden at home or medical going on I'll try to be sympathetic, but firm about the importance of following orders.

As The Doctor (Doctor Who) says..." No second chances", if they've done it before and there's no medical or other extenuating circumstance at play, they are about to go have a talk with my supervisor and I, who may decide that a trip to the Division Officer is required.

But then again I would never assign someone something that I would not have done myself and chances are as an E-5 I may be working right along side of them anyway doing other things I have on my list from the E-6 or E-7...

Response by SSG Alfonso Pagan made Dec 30 at 2016 11:10 AM

SSG Alfonso Pagan — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:10:08 -0500

Make an example of him. civilians may allow that behavior, but that E2 is in the military now. In the heat of battle a machine gunner goes down and to tell the E2 to get on the machine gun the response will be get someone else.

Response by SP5 Bob Rudolph made Dec 30 at 2016 12:37 PM

SP5 Bob Rudolph — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:37:42 -0500

Remember the scene in "Full Metal Jacket" with the troop marching behind the formation with his pants down and thumb in mouth? Happened twice to the same mouthy EM in my basic training company in 1967, except the Drill Sargent didn't make him drop his drawers. Results? None. He thought it was funny. Spent most of his time on KP, he thought that was funny too.

Response by PFC Rickey Cook made Dec 30 at 2016 12:57 PM

PFC Rickey Cook — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:57:27 -0500

simple write up and then a general court matrial but Im from the old school Army where respect was taught and no pampering was done

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Dec 30 at 2016 1:17 PM

PO3 John Wagner — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:17:55 -0500

Their next assignment would be a relatively short discussion in my office followed by weeks of less desirable assignments. After that period was completed. I will have made an evaluation of their progress including keeping an ear to the ground about any bitching. I would of course hope that more senior members of his squad would have been kind enough to mentor the dumbshit. I'm sure I might have gotten opinions offered up and taken in from the more senior PO's reccomendations regarding the individuals future viability would certainly be added to their record if progress was unsatisfactory.. If they took instruction and improved their attitude my evaluation would be likewise tempered or simply given a satisfactory rating. Young soldiers especially in specialties which allow for quick promotion are still basically untested and yet to be properly indoctrinated in day to day military life. I will not take action to shit on them long term if improvement is acceptable to me.
People might wonder how someone who never made it past PO3 might make such assertions.. I have made 54 trips around the sun and learned professionalism and discipline in my own field.. At the end of the day it amounts to the same thing. My job is both dangerous and requires great responsibility.. I run 145,000 lb 93' long at up to 75mph on state and interstate highways 135,000 miles a year. I better keep my act together because Im in control of a 70 ton bomb..I am fully accountable to myself, God and everyone whose life I might affect every day.. Anything beyond that is just a good time working in an office with a view and a good paycheck.

Response by PO1 Scott Cottrell made Dec 30 at 2016 2:43 PM

PO1 Scott Cottrell — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:43:27 -0500

At my first command, as a junior E-4, I was the LPO for 1st LT division. Whenever a new person checked into the Division, my LT would tell them straight up, any order I issued, they were to take it coming directly from him and they would be up on charges for disobeying a lawful order from an O-3, not an E-4. So, I never had a problem. But, I knew if I screwed up, My LT would hammer me also. Support from my chain of command was the biggest reason why no one questioned me. That was in the late 80's early 90's.

Response by CSM Kim Thomas Michalowski, CSM (R) made Dec 30 at 2016 3:45 PM

CSM Kim Thomas Michalowski, CSM (R) — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:45:27 -0500

Article 15 for sure. There used to be a unit called CCF (?) correctional confinement facility I believe. Or something like that. Used to be able to send idiots to that for a couple weeks or so and they usually came back with a different attitude. Now I don't know what you can do but Art 15 them with reduction and eventually confinement.

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Dec 30 at 2016 3:46 PM

SFC Charles Temm — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:46:21 -0500

My first reaction would be to smoke him in place. If he refuses, turn the formation over to the next ranking NCO and w/said troop's NCO/SP4 move aside; lock him up, and inform him in no uncertain words how badly he is fucking up. Then I would have smoked him repeatedly. If he refused to be dealt w/in such a manner I would write him up and take his rank, money, and time for as long as the CO would allow.

Of course that was when I was in some 14 years ago. Now I'd not smoke him but take rank, time and money from him. You crushed shit like that ASAP or it ruins your own position and sets the stage for more problems.

My question though is why? Have you been overly nice to him or other privates? Is he a problem child? Do you not spread the evil details around to all or just some? In my 22 years I never saw a troop pull that in any unit I served in though admittedly they were mainly line or airborne infantry units where discipline was strict.

Response by MAJ David Vermillion made Dec 30 at 2016 9:26 PM

MAJ David Vermillion — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:26:04 -0500

Real easy, he would be charged with disobeying a lawful order. Recommend an Article 15, you must send a message to the troops under your command.

Response by SPC Russell Edwards Jr made Dec 30 at 2016 11:19 PM

SPC Russell Edwards Jr — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 23:19:35 -0500

Write him up

Response by PFC Bradley Campbell made Dec 30 at 2016 11:56 PM

PFC Bradley Campbell — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 23:56:44 -0500

make him an E1 to start with

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Dec 31 at 2016 12:13 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Sat, 31 Dec 2016 00:13:17 -0500

As an NCO you can NOT give extra duty, restrict to the barracks or take civilian clothing, HOWEVER you CAN assign corrective training, mandate a uniform, and give a duty location.
In the event that you recount, I would assign the task as corrective training, over and over again, to make sure it was done correctly, in a dress uniform requiring an inspection hourly, while assigning a bed for the mandatory 4 hours of rest as required by regulation. THEN...It starts over again, until that young E-2 has a real Come to Jesus moment and is too afraid to open his Cum dumpster. If that does not work, and he continues to run off at the cock holster, document it, and then invite them to a Big Chicken Dinner (Old Army term for Bad Conduct Discharge) SGM Private RallyPoint Member

Response by PO1 Jahn Henderson made Dec 31 at 2016 1:58 AM

PO1 Jahn Henderson — Sat, 31 Dec 2016 01:58:41 -0500

This is an interesting question, and probably has about 100 correct answers,depending on the respondents.
Not that I a picking on our brethren in Air Force Blues, but I would think that an E5 in the Corps, would handle it just a little differently than the AF. I was an HT1, and I guess you could say a little old school, and was probably able to discipline a little different when I was in as opposed to now. But either way, or any branch, when an E5 is issuing orders, you do as he or she says, you say "Yes Sir/Maam, and you go on about your day.
This is what i truly loved about the military,they did not have to put up with all off this touchy feelty kind of crap, you just did what your were told, and if you did not like it, then after you completed what you were told, you went to the next up in your chain of command and voiced your concerns there..
Just my two cents.

Response by PO1 Kevin Tucker made Jan 1 at 2017 1:02 AM

PO1 Kevin Tucker — Sun, 01 Jan 2017 01:02:51 -0500

I had this happen to me, what i did was to smile, and tell the young Fireman Apprentice that it was ok he did not have to do that job I had something special for him to do and that he was to standfast after quarters was finished for his assignment. That's when i would take the young man to a private area and verbally convince him why he needed to do as he was told-when he was told-and how he was told while never losing my cool. If that did not work, i turned him over to his fellow e-3 and belows and give them instructions that by the end of the work day, if he had not changed his attitude that none of them would be going on liberty until he had. You would be amazed how fast that young sailor would correct his self.

Response by MAJ Jason Sierakowski made Jan 2 at 2017 12:36 PM

MAJ Jason Sierakowski — Mon, 02 Jan 2017 12:36:06 -0500

Destroy them.

Response by SSgt Lester W. McCormick made Jan 5 at 2017 1:28 PM

SSgt Lester W. McCormick — Thu, 05 Jan 2017 13:28:09 -0500

Back in my day, he'd get a blistering ass chewing he wouldn't forget in front of his contemporaries, then made to drop and give me 50 and put on some shit detail for a week.

Response by Cpl Zach Wellborn made Jan 6 at 2017 2:23 AM

Cpl Zach Wellborn — Fri, 06 Jan 2017 02:23:08 -0500

Oh I'm sorry pfc I didn't know you were in charge. My mistake, why don't you come out front here and let Everyone know what the word for tomorrow is. Oh you don't know?!?

THATS BECAUSE YOURE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO KEEP YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH SHUT IN FORMATION. THANKS TO PFC DIPSHIT PT IN THE MORNING 0300. I'd recommend drinking a lot of water tonight.

Anyone else have something to say to me?

Response by PO3 Rudy Borrego made Jan 10 at 2017 5:48 AM

PO3 Rudy Borrego — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 05:48:20 -0500

Man! I would have wrote his add up asap!! then foward it to My next senior enlisted Navy would be E-6 1st class or Chief Petty Officer E-7

Response by SGT Linda Moss made Jan 10 at 2017 8:40 AM

SGT Linda Moss — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:40:44 -0500

right that minute he is going to get pulled out .. of formation .. and because this is the "new Army" he will not get the ass whupping he needs.. he will get it other wise .. and every shitty detail for the next month, Make it clear to every one else you can not do this shit . some one said something about being on profile.. then let that private tell the sgt after wards .. or respectful say Sgt. may I say something .. a good sgt will know if they are on profile . no matter what this shit will get you killed in combat. this be nice shit is what is wrong with a lot of young people... "oh I do not want to do that " sorry but some case need a kick in the ass .. since it can not be like it use to be it has to be verbal. and if they respond back with any thing but yes sir.. AR15 time

Response by MSG Karl Arrington made Jan 10 at 2017 9:47 PM

MSG Karl Arrington — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:47:16 -0500

Going off the information in the question no more, no less. Once an PV2 says "shove it" to an NCO, it's game on. I would tell him that he's about to become the newest PV1 in the Army unless he shuts up and completes his assignment. Everyone has details they don't want to do. Privates are going to complain, I did my share when I was one but understood the chain of command. There is no way a private should be saying anything close to "shove it" to a leader.

Response by SCPO Jason McLaughlin made Jan 11 at 2017 6:44 AM

SCPO Jason McLaughlin — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 06:44:23 -0500

Hugs and bacon! Hugs and bacon make everything better.

Response by 1LT Aaron Barr made Jan 11 at 2017 8:17 AM

1LT Aaron Barr — Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:17:58 -0500

Being a commissioned officer, probably just delegate dealing with it to my most senior NCO as that would be his lane.

Response by SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder made Jan 18 at 2017 6:51 AM

SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 06:51:49 -0500

There's a whole host of punitive articles to can use for this one. Step 1: Inform your chief of the situation and start a paper trail. Step 2: Be on him every moment he's in uniform. Step 3: fry him out of the Navy. There's no need for any kind of belligerence no matter how subtle or blatant.

Response by LCpl James Perry made Jan 18 at 2017 8:39 AM

LCpl James Perry — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:39:07 -0500

I would hit him with Article 5 for disobeying an order

Response by SGT Stephen Tucker made Jan 18 at 2017 10:20 AM

SGT Stephen Tucker — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:20:51 -0500

Well since wall to wall counseling is out these days.You have many courses of action you can take as a leader. You obviously have to make an example out of this individual so others do not follow and challenge your knowledge and authority. It has to be clear not only to the individual but to everyone else (notice I said individual because this person is not a team player) this type of behavior is unacceptable. If you have been around long enough you have many tools in your kit bag to address these types of issues. Creative corrective training is always a first step but if that fails and some times it does you can always rely on your knowledge of the UCMJ. In the end as a leader must ensure the task or mission at hand will be completed one way or another. It does not have to be completed by that individual but it has to be completed or else your failing as a leader.

Response by Sgt Diane Jankowski made Jan 18 at 2017 10:31 AM

Sgt Diane Jankowski — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:31:19 -0500

Soldier, private or airman (as applicable) you have enlisted in the military. We are not a kindergarten. This is your responsibility, you will do the assigned task or be written up for insubordination. Choose wisely

Response by SMSgt Allan Pochop made Jan 18 at 2017 10:43 AM

SMSgt Allan Pochop — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:43:50 -0500

Had only one young lad this way......wouldn't/couldn't do any mtc. task assigned. As his behavior was influencing a couple of other personnel, I pulled him off the crew and turned him over to the LPO. LPO failed to convince him of the era of his ways.
Chief got involved.......put him on shop, hangar, ramp clean up, with two extra hours into the next shift, for a week, he was screwing around with this menial task.
Chief, then had him escorted to the Brig to spend the day as an observer of there activities. Chief/Div. Officer, then had a consoling session with him.
His choice Capts. Mast/Brig, or go to work....... He came back on the crew as a productive young E-3.
Which now leads to another question.
Attempt to correct behavior in today's modern Navy, or just discharge them for failure to preform?

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Jan 18 at 2017 10:46 AM

Sgt Frank Rinchich — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:46:11 -0500

I was an E4 Sgt, in the 50's if in formation or any other company matter like that I would make sure that E2 was an E1 at the next formation, he disrespected his senior and flatly refused an order. That my friend cost him a stripe, and by refusing an order could get him brig time.

Response by Chris Pinterich made Jan 18 at 2017 10:55 AM

Chris Pinterich — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:55:32 -0500

Wow, so many creative recourses spring to mind on this one... First though... is he, REALLY, being singled out for task assignments? If so, why?

Seems to be a possibility that E2 could be going to his head, maybe he needs more time at the lowest rank.

Does he have a combat MOS? That would expand your options to more physical means of recourse. In a firefight you would knock that BS out of his head, might as well get him used to it now.

Response by SGT James Colwell made Jan 18 at 2017 11:53 AM

SGT James Colwell — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 11:53:21 -0500

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member I'm old school infantry. Disobedience or resistance to a lawful order can be deadly. If that were to happen, it would not happen again. Let's leave it at that.

Response by SSG Rafael Rodriguez made Jan 18 at 2017 12:50 PM

SSG Rafael Rodriguez — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:50:09 -0500

Calmly Tell this soldier to stand fast after formation. Always 'Seek first to understand", know why this Soldier is reacting this way and if it is something that can be fix on the spot then correct his malfunction and have him continue with his marching orders, if it is more than that then report issue and findings to platoon sergeant and stand by for his guidance.

Response by SFC Thomas Holcomb made Jan 18 at 2017 4:09 PM

SFC Thomas Holcomb — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:09:50 -0500

Well this is a good on. I said it before the army never issued me a friend I never ordered are even requested one. This young man would have been in deep (put what you want) I don't give a hoot ( clean version) what is going on he would start by pushing the Earth inside out. Then the counseling statement. Then the job we was told to do with direct supervision. Then a counseling statement on the job done. The next formation an apology for disrespectful attitude towards the platoon.

Response by SPC Ruth Duffer made Jan 18 at 2017 6:39 PM

SPC Ruth Duffer — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:39:44 -0500

Throat punch !! Ok..Article 15..Dishonorabley Discharged !! Snowflake !!

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Jan 18 at 2017 7:12 PM

Maj Dale Smith — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:12:14 -0500

Your E2 is fresh out of basic, and in today's military, it is all volunteer, so he is not a conscript. You turn your squad or detail over to the highest ranking element and inform him that he/she is now in charge for a few minutes, and then you take your intransigent E2 aside and out of ear range of the detail you just left, and you inform him/her that he/she is in an autocracy and not a democracy and there is no discussion. You have the detail unless there is something that is physically limiting that would prevent it. If he/she does not have an excuse from a doctor, then he/she either obays a lawful order, or finds himself/herself on report for an article 15 non-judicial punishment. You may need to seek council either from your officer platoon leader or the JAG. Those that tend to be intransigent generally find themselves as civilians with administrative or general discharges. These types of discharges do make it difficult to find a job in the civilian world since it will be annotated on your DD214 copy 4.

Response by CPT Chris Newport made Jan 18 at 2017 9:44 PM

CPT Chris Newport — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:44:07 -0500

Eat him.

Response by CPO Gene Browning made Jan 18 at 2017 10:49 PM

CPO Gene Browning — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:49:07 -0500

A good ass-whuppin'.

Response by CPO Gene Browning made Jan 18 at 2017 10:52 PM

CPO Gene Browning — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:52:02 -0500

Never undderestimate the value of a good ass-kicking.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2017 10:56 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:56:49 -0500

No comment, I wouldn't want to incriminate myself.

Response by SGT Richard Anderson made Jan 18 at 2017 11:03 PM

SGT Richard Anderson — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:03:26 -0500

My next in command would be given my task and the private and myself would be leaving the formation and going to the Gunnery Sgt or the Chief of Smoke. Formal counseling and punishment would be given out. There is no room for disobeying a lawful order. If that did not resolve the privates problem, we had CCF that could break the toughest of stupid soldiers. Not a place you want to be.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jan 18 at 2017 11:11 PM

COL Charles Williams — Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:11:35 -0500

Confront them there, tell them to do it, and to see you after formation. After formation, away from the masses, is the time to read them the riot act on what will happen, next time that happens. And, of course document it. If it happens again, deal with it and document it. Leaders run the military, not the privates.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Jan 19 at 2017 12:04 AM

SGT Tony Clifford — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 00:04:43 -0500

This is a challenge for all NCOs. The first question you need to ask yourself is, "how did I lose control? " As a leader you need to set the example, emit confidence and never allow your men to talk back. I usually would make an example of him on the spot. Then afterwards, I will counsel him. He may have a problem that is eating him, but if he has a hint of defiance during this I would either recommend him for an article 15 or smoke him until he vomits (officially). In reality, I always maintained a policy of "woodline", so if he had a problem with me personally, we would fight it out. The truth is that if you are doing your job right, your guy's would look at your team/squad/platoon as a family and you are the head of that family. Your guys should have shut him up if you guys are being lead properly.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 12:41 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 00:41:17 -0500

FM 22-102

Response by SFC Familia Gonzalez made Jan 19 at 2017 12:44 AM

SFC Familia Gonzalez — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 00:44:17 -0500

It's 0036 and I can't sleep as usual, so I decided to checkout rallypoint. Are you kidding me! This crap isn't really happening, is it? Didn't check what branch, and to be honest, it really doesn't matter. Having said that, in my twenty plus years in the Infantry, I don't recall a private blatantly telling an NCO he wasn't going to do something. I'm not going to tell you what I would have done, because quit frankly, I retired in 1999, and obviously a lot has changed. Some for the better I hear, but apperantly the discipline piece is lacking. I think that regardless of how outdated and old I feel, one (A leader) should establish his position from the very beginning. If your buds with the lower enlisted one minute, and the next you want to order him or her around, then you're simply setting yourself up for failure. However, if you infact extablished your position from the very beginning and your subordinate still attempts to test his boundaries with you, then you have to make it a significant emotional event for him ASAP, without getting yourself in trouble. Obviously use professional judgment. You wouldn't want him to do flutter kicks or something like that in his Blues, or push-ups during flag detail. Man, my blood pressure went up just reading this! Remember, nothing is complete without the paperwork Airborne! Cover your ass!

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Jan 19 at 2017 4:20 AM

CW4 Angel C. — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 04:20:26 -0500

Honestly, I don't care what the PV2 is going through he better maintain his military bearing. He can explain in the front leaning rest. Then after he knows his dang place and I allow him he can explain his disagreement.

Response by TSgt James Carson made Jan 19 at 2017 5:57 PM

TSgt James Carson — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:57:31 -0500

Use the tools a supervisor is given and put it to him if he wants to show what a ass he is. there is also the legal system. First ask what the young man's real problem is. You might be able to correct his behavior at the lowest level possible.

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made Jan 19 at 2017 10:05 PM

SGT Mark Rhodes — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:05:36 -0500

Well if that would have happened to me that kid would be eating dirt for days. I would also Article 15 his ass then send him back home to mommy. I know I have been out for some time now but insubordination and disrespecting an NCO is still against the UCMJ. He would definitely feel the pain.

Response by SGT Shane Allen made Jan 20 at 2017 11:07 AM

SGT Shane Allen — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:07:24 -0500

Frag the whole squad and PT the hell out of them. Then his peers will handle it in their own special way later that day.

Response by Sgt Paul Mason made Jan 20 at 2017 11:16 AM

Sgt Paul Mason — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:16:46 -0500

I'm assuming two things: 1) This is a first time transgression; 2) This man has some potential value to me or my squad and could be rehabilitated.

Send him to the Hooch to await my arrival. Send everyone else on to their tasks. Find my surpervising Staff NCO and tell him what's going on, and what I intend to do and have him stand by in case I fail. Head to the hooch. Explain to the young man his transgression(s) (there were at least two). Explain that this is the last time it will happen...ever. Give him a choice of doing a new, more arduous task, in addition to the task originally assigned, or being written up. If he fails to accept your offer, bring in the Staff NCO, outline the charges, write the paper, send him on to the First Sergeant/Sergeant Major.

The final step is to address the rest of your squad and let them know what has transpired. They need to know that this behavior isn't tolerated

Response by 1LT Vance Titus made Jan 20 at 2017 1:51 PM

1LT Vance Titus — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:51:36 -0500

Immediate corrective action should be taken.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 2:09 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:09:28 -0500

A little bitching is acceptable, when Joe told the Sqd Leader to "shove it" he crossed that line that should never be crossed without a mountain of manure coming down. As a young Spec5 (look it up), I was responsible for soldiers with more time in service but less technical qualification. I got some "why me" guff from time to time and allowed a little of it but it was always understood that you'd still wind up doing whatever it was that I'd told you to do - until "that guy" showed up.

I got a newbie in who was a rehab transfer. I was warned that he was "an issue" and a brawler He questioned everything - constantly. He would usually eventually get moving and half ass his way through the task but never without lip. After about three days of his shit I'd had enough and courteously invited him down to the "mop well". He smiled and obligingly agreed to attend me because he was bigger and stronger than I was (and had done quite well in the boxing smokers allowed in the good old days). What he didn't know was that I had prepared the battlefield prior to the invitation. When he got tot the bottom of the steps the second and third squad leaders grabbed him securely and I laid down the law. He smarted off about needing help so having already made sure I had sufficient backup just in case things went south I told him to take his best shot - he got one good swing in before I laid him out (I boxed a little then as well and had watched him fight - I knew he'd lead with a haymaker that exposed his ribs badly). I told him in a fair fight he could probably take me but he'd never get into a fair fight with me - I had military authority and a couple of good friends who'd help out if military authority wasn't enough.

Over the next hour of ass chewing/psycho analysis/mentoring I learned that he stood to inherit a bunch of money in about 13 months (his 25th birthday) and that he was just in the Army "until he got his money". I calmly explained that he could do it easy or hard - his choice. I put all of it in writing (except the sucker punch in the gut I gave him when he over swung). Any time he'd start to revert or appear to be slipping I'd make a point of talking about boxing. He turned out to be a good Soldier and when he ETS'd he thanked me for taking the time to "help him out".

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 2:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:29:22 -0500

Maybe the problem is that your an e5 and not a sergeant.

Response by PO1 Tim Scimemi made Jan 20 at 2017 3:42 PM

PO1 Tim Scimemi — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:42:25 -0500

If he's insubordanent with you thru ignuurance you explain in a fair but firm voice what his correct behavior should be, if he is duing on purpose and you know he knows better, you either chew his ass out or instruct his leader to square him away.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 4:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:28:02 -0500

Make a example out of him. This is the military and a lawful order. I once made a group of e-1 & e-3 detail the smoke pit.( they where smokers ) after they return from liberty over an hour late . They had a choice I said they change into there poopy suites and clean at 0100 with flashlights or I call the CDO and we do article 92 and article 15. They choose to clean till 0600. They never return late again

Response by SGT Kate Cruse made Jan 20 at 2017 4:42 PM

SGT Kate Cruse — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:42:07 -0500

whatever job he was complaining about, and refusing to do would now become his permanent assignment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 4:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:46:47 -0500

Wall to wall counseling

Response by Sgt Joseph Baker made Jan 20 at 2017 5:09 PM

Sgt Joseph Baker — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:09:26 -0500

Interesting choice of picture for this discussion. I don't think there is much chance this recruit is back-talking this DI.

Response by SGM Bill Preston made Jan 20 at 2017 5:19 PM

SGM Bill Preston — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:19:07 -0500

I would give him a couple of options and none of them are positive.

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Jan 20 at 2017 6:08 PM

Sgt Charles Welling — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:08:03 -0500

Have him arrested.

Response by SPC Phil Benton made Jan 20 at 2017 6:38 PM

SPC Phil Benton — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:38:27 -0500

*Left, Right, CCF"

Response by Sgt Kenneth Baker made Jan 20 at 2017 6:44 PM

Sgt Kenneth Baker — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:44:10 -0500

Put him on his face and smoke him.

Response by PVT Mark Dorton made Jan 20 at 2017 6:45 PM

PVT Mark Dorton — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:45:22 -0500

The Old saying,We can't make you do it.. But we can make you wish you did.

Response by GySgt Daniel Chapin made Jan 20 at 2017 7:41 PM

GySgt Daniel Chapin — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:41:28 -0500

Give him the shittiest detail everyday for a month.

Response by SSG Grant Hansen made Jan 20 at 2017 7:51 PM

SSG Grant Hansen — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:51:47 -0500

I would ask him to repeat what he said. If he said it again I would dismiss everyone else except him and his team leader. I would then pull them aside and explain the options.

1. The Pvt can do his assigned job plus extra duty with no further complaints, or;

2. Be brought before the CO and recieve an Art. 15 for failure to obey a lawful order.

That kind of willful and public insubordination cannot be tolerated and must be dealt with immediately.

Response by SPC Kenneth Osborne made Jan 20 at 2017 7:54 PM

SPC Kenneth Osborne — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:54:58 -0500

Article 15

Response by 1LT Rich Voss made Jan 20 at 2017 8:17 PM

1LT Rich Voss — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 20:17:20 -0500

Sarge - I'm hoping you didn't back down in your assignment. If you did, he proved to you, himself, and to the rest of your troops/squad, that HE'S in charge, not you. In the "old days" there would have been instant assignment of an even "worse" task, and this would have gone on until such time as he got the "idea" that your authority, experience and stripes are far superior to his. He actually volunteered for service, and he should know the levels of authority and know it's also NOT a democracy.

Response by Cpl Rick Logan made Jan 20 at 2017 8:53 PM

Cpl Rick Logan — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 20:53:27 -0500

I don't know how today's Marines would handle it after 8 years of Obama. With all the time out cards and mommies calling congressman. There may have been a small blanket party and then a shit load of crappy guard duty and fire watches. Refusing a direct order. NJP.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 8:56 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 20:56:58 -0500

Start chapter paper work to make an example of him. Failure to adapt, disrespect to an NCO, conduct unbecoming of a Marine

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Jan 20 at 2017 8:58 PM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 20:58:30 -0500

We would be have words after formation in TOPS office!

Response by MAJ Terry Stanley made Jan 20 at 2017 9:12 PM

MAJ Terry Stanley — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:12:16 -0500

There are a lot of things an NCO could. Ucmj. You could try to take him aside an talon to him but never let them get away with it

Response by PFC Ben Stpeter made Jan 20 at 2017 9:12 PM

PFC Ben Stpeter — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:12:17 -0500

Do that shit again "HERO" and baby Jesus will swoop down on rollerblades and skull fuck you to death with p.t.

Response by SPC Rich Richardson made Jan 20 at 2017 9:33 PM

SPC Rich Richardson — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:33:22 -0500

Well, in today's kinder gentler military I say ok private snuffy. I need you to meet me later to sign this counseling statement.....but in the old days....Go get your camel back and meet me behind the company in full battle rattle....up....down...go....half right face....front leaning rest position...MOVE!

Response by SSgt Troy Hurst made Jan 20 at 2017 9:37 PM

SSgt Troy Hurst — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:37:48 -0500

Let the games begin!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2017 9:38 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:38:48 -0500

Yes, throat punch the little fucker.

Response by MSG Delbert Hicks made Jan 20 at 2017 10:01 PM

MSG Delbert Hicks — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:01:39 -0500

School of the Soldier

Response by PO3 Mack McLendon made Jan 20 at 2017 10:20 PM

PO3 Mack McLendon — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:20:51 -0500

A kick to the crotch and a fist to the nose, and he does the job you assigned plus cleans every plumbing fixture in the barracks with a toothbrush.

Response by SGT Robert Haynes made Jan 20 at 2017 10:26 PM

SGT Robert Haynes — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:26:30 -0500

This happened a long time ago. This didn't happen to me in garrison, but it did happen to me in the field. This troop was one of those guys, it didn't matter how much counseling you gave him, he was just one of those troops that made your live miserable, and had pushed my last button. He was in the back of an ITV. I told him to do something, his response was "f### off". My response was to come out of the turret leading with my size 12's. Caught him dead center of his chest and was on him in a blink of an eye and told him if the next words out of his mouth was not "yes, sergeant". I would make his life a living hell, and that we be having extra training until hell froze over and that the next time he got off post would be to ETS/PCS.. Never had another problem with him. PSG asked me what had happened and I explained we had some "wall to wall" counseling. Not another word was said.

Response by Cpl Terry Viner made Jan 20 at 2017 10:29 PM

Cpl Terry Viner — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:29:11 -0500

Go Marine. Done deal

Response by PO1 Anthron Shuler made Jan 20 at 2017 10:43 PM

PO1 Anthron Shuler — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:43:40 -0500

Explain why I'm in charge, they join no one forced them and remind them that this could be a long day.

Response by CW4 Tim Gourley made Jan 20 at 2017 11:14 PM

CW4 Tim Gourley — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:14:15 -0500

As a warrant, I have the power give the Poor boy at least 2 days in the stockade if he did that to one of my sergeants....Remember I have 2 days to press charges

Response by SrA Anthony Ducey made Jan 20 at 2017 11:16 PM

SrA Anthony Ducey — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:16:56 -0500

KP duty, clean the Latrines, Letter of Reprimand, (I would prefer to choke him, but we can't do that anymore). :-(

Response by SPC James Hines made Jan 20 at 2017 11:27 PM

SPC James Hines — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:27:59 -0500

I've been out for a long time, but this is the way I handle my students... "You have two ways to play this. One you can do as I ask or two, your way won't be the worst way to leave my classroom. Now can you handle this way in the military? Nope. A quiet discussion of what is the problem. If bad news, deal with it in a better way. If an asshole just wanting to try to assert some kind don't of authority, smoke him....

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Jan 20 at 2017 11:35 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:35:52 -0500

Hammer time. E-2 means they have been in long enough to know how things work. To allow outright defiance and insubordination in public invites trouble from others down the line. You either uphold your authority or you make things difficult for other leaders as well. People start thinking, "Well he got away with it, why can't I?" If the defiance is done privately you have other options, if you choose to use them instead.

Response by GySgt Kent Murray made Jan 20 at 2017 11:59 PM

GySgt Kent Murray — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 23:59:49 -0500

I would of flew through the ranks for on his face and knocked him on his ass most likely .

That would never be tolerated and he would of potentially received an ass whopping from me or his Team Leader or Squad Leader .

Article 15 would of potentially came Depending !

Response by PFC Ian DeGraff made Jan 21 at 2017 12:23 AM

PFC Ian DeGraff — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:23:33 -0500

Same way my E5 did it with me... ask if PV2 Snuffy wants to drop rank and roll the clock back to 1966 some place private, like the woodline. Worked for me. Screw counseling and paperwork and this new-age, pansy-a** administrative bulls***.

Response by CPO John Pollard made Jan 21 at 2017 12:37 AM

CPO John Pollard — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:37:08 -0500

If you are Air Force you say "Gee Jimmie please don't hurt my.feelings"

Response by Sgt Stan Roberts made Jan 21 at 2017 12:39 AM

Sgt Stan Roberts — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:39:41 -0500

All of the answers to this question are exactly what is wrong with the military these days. All of this cotton tailed nonsense. You whip that punk into shape right then and there. The end. I was terrified of my Sergeant.

Response by CPO John Clapp made Jan 21 at 2017 12:45 AM

CPO John Clapp — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:45:56 -0500

Write him up and let him explain his motives to the CO.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 1:56 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:56:27 -0500

Smash him emotionally bringing up specific weaknesses like failing an apft or falling out of runs.

Response by SSgt Ben Bennett made Jan 21 at 2017 6:45 AM

SSgt Ben Bennett — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 06:45:21 -0500

Send him to the barracks. Tell him to wait. Handle the rest 0f the squad, and get them moving for the day. Then when you go to confront him, assign him to the worst shit detail you have for a week. If he squacks, offer him an article 15 and 30 days confined to base and 30 days AND that shit detail he squacked about.

Response by SGT Javier Pérez made Jan 21 at 2017 6:57 AM

SGT Javier Pérez — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 06:57:20 -0500

Old fashioned "tree line counseling" , more than his feelings will get hurt!!!!

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Jan 21 at 2017 7:43 AM

1SG Harold Piet — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 07:43:08 -0500

his weekend is shot and he looses some money. may be locked up

Response by TSgt Chris Langfield made Jan 21 at 2017 7:46 AM

TSgt Chris Langfield — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 07:46:49 -0500

Burn Notice. Make an example of him.

Response by SSG Chris McKee made Jan 21 at 2017 8:49 AM

SSG Chris McKee — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 08:49:10 -0500

I'm reading some of your posts thinking, this is what's wrong with the military today. Praise publicly admonish privately? HORSE SHIT! Insubordination requires an immediate example to be made!

Response by LCpl Dan McTiernan made Jan 21 at 2017 9:00 AM

LCpl Dan McTiernan — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:00:46 -0500

Seems old school way the best. Immediate assignment to meet behind sick bay soon to be followed by an assignment to a duty station on a rack in sick bay. Of course announcing the sick bay rack assignment at morning formation. Not my corporate response, my late 60's early 70's duty response.

Response by SGT Shannon Bowdoin made Jan 21 at 2017 9:08 AM

SGT Shannon Bowdoin — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:08:08 -0500

PT his butt til he pukes! If he still refuses...Article 15!

Response by SPC Scott Evans made Jan 21 at 2017 9:28 AM

SPC Scott Evans — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 09:28:08 -0500

That fact that this question is being asked shows how far the military has slipped.

Response by SFC Steve Greene made Jan 21 at 2017 10:53 AM

SFC Steve Greene — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 10:53:41 -0500

Easily, there's Nothing like EXTRA DUTY For the next 3 months ,Every Weekend . End of Discussion.

Response by Lara Cesar made Jan 21 at 2017 11:22 AM

Lara Cesar — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 11:22:42 -0500

First I'll explain how the military works Give him or her a chance to explain their point of view and behavior. If they have a valid point I will said u are correct and teach them the proper way to act and respond. But if they just have a bad attitude or just because they think " I do what want" sorry smoke section began following with a nice counseling on record.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 1:06 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:06:20 -0500

Quite simple. I take the individual to my office along with another senior leader and fill out the appropriate paperwork. We have tools to handle this. We counsel the individual and explain what will happen next. If they are still non compliant, then NJP is applied. When I was much younger I would have flown into a fit of rage and yelled a lot. As I have grown into senior leadership I have learned to first counsel, document , NJP, finally process for discharge. Not every individual is cut out to be in the military and the millennial generation have to be taught what honor and duty mean and they don't respond to "old school" methods.

Response by SPC Don Carey made Jan 21 at 2017 1:41 PM

SPC Don Carey — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:41:53 -0500

Find anything I could that is way worse than the original task and make sure that shitbird does it for quite some time

Response by SFC Frank Mazzella made Jan 21 at 2017 1:49 PM

SFC Frank Mazzella — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:49:32 -0500

You mean after his ass whooping?

Response by SGT Joseph Miller made Jan 21 at 2017 2:47 PM

SGT Joseph Miller — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 14:47:06 -0500

Google Army Field Manual FM 22-102 wall to wall counseling. It lays it all out for ya, even what offences would require the use of a baseball bat.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 2:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 14:57:08 -0500

I'd segregate him, and put the fear of God it in him. Also l, he would be assigned to the duty.

Response by LCpl Anthony Hughes made Jan 21 at 2017 3:00 PM

LCpl Anthony Hughes — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:00:31 -0500

Tree line.... when we got back, he won't question my authority again.

Response by SSG Keith Phillips made Jan 21 at 2017 3:27 PM

SSG Keith Phillips — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 15:27:36 -0500

Wall to wall counseling!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 4:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:05:33 -0500

This is a military wide problem new privates coming from basic acting like they deployed twice and lack of military disapline no parade rest no yes sir no sir no Sgt yes Sgt just a "yeah" "OK" long ass hair ect and if trained as an old school NCO you get on to them about it you get told to be nicer about it, hell no that shit don't fly I am not asking him shit! They have to fear you or they will continue to be more insubordinate and when the time comes they'll get themselves killed maybe even someone else killed, your word as a leader is ment to be law as if from the good book itself a precursor to when life and death come to pass and their knowing there are reasons why you are told to do and they are to do, they just have to have that they hesitate now they will hesitate in battle when given an order.

Response by SGT Joe Belisario made Jan 21 at 2017 4:12 PM

SGT Joe Belisario — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:12:20 -0500

Drop his ass to the front leaning, and have him pump it out until I dismiss the formation. Then give him one more chance to FOLLOW ORDERS. If he or she does not comply, article 15 the fucker.

Response by SPC Erik Frame made Jan 21 at 2017 5:35 PM

SPC Erik Frame — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 17:35:46 -0500

Private slipped in the shower again and again? Smh. Poor private.

Response by LCpl Mark Soto made Jan 21 at 2017 5:37 PM

LCpl Mark Soto — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 17:37:23 -0500

Clusterfuck

Response by Sgt Kat Opasinski made Jan 21 at 2017 5:39 PM

Sgt Kat Opasinski — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 17:39:17 -0500

Show them in no uncertain terms that they have f***** up royally! Instill the fear of God in them and they will not do it again! I never really had this problem when I was in I'm old we knew better!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 6:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 18:20:42 -0500

I would say exactly this in the squad formation "I am talking to the E4 mafia, I do not want to know who you are, however this PV2 need to be fixed real fast or I will be volunteering the squad as much as I can for every little thing that comes up, for visibility purposes of course, to include additional PT for anyone not quite up the the company standard"

Let the E4 mafia handle this in the most efficient way possible. I can guarantee you that PV2 will be shitting his pants.

Response by SGT Patrick McGrady made Jan 21 at 2017 6:46 PM

SGT Patrick McGrady — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 18:46:11 -0500

I would walk up to him and in a professional low voice and say to him, "Let's talk after formation" and find out what the problem is. Then after that is said and done, I'll teach him about not only did he embarrass me he also made an ass out of himself in front of others and also teach him the value and good character of mutual respect and following orders without question. If that doesn't work and he does it again, I will take appropriate UCMJ action. I will also remind him of the oath he took when he rose his right hand and if he doesn't remember, I will take a copy of that and tell him to read it again, to show that a brain fart is not acceptable.

Response by Cpl Will Parmenter made Jan 21 at 2017 6:58 PM

Cpl Will Parmenter — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 18:58:16 -0500

Write the bitch up take his $$$$ and stripes

Response by SrA Petula Buschert made Jan 21 at 2017 7:08 PM

SrA Petula Buschert — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 19:08:44 -0500

Toothbrush latrine queen for a month!

Response by SPC Thomas Morrissey made Jan 21 at 2017 7:15 PM

SPC Thomas Morrissey — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 19:15:04 -0500

Hahaha I love the cpl's way of dealing with it. That's how I would have dealt a situation with my grandkids. We all know what needs to be done. But I guess you have to be sweet about it. So you drop him till your done doing what needs to be done and dismiss everyone except him let him keep pushing while you chat with him about what's going on. If his wife did cheat or a parent or family member died or maybe he's got cancer. Explain to him it's part of life and he needs to carry on. When he agrees with you and apologies then let him up. If he don't apologise let him push.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 7:28 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 19:28:02 -0500

Make them do it twice.

Response by Judy Headlee made Jan 21 at 2017 7:52 PM

Judy Headlee — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 19:52:25 -0500

I would tell the E2 it is his/her choice but if the person chooses to not do as told then the whole platoon will be doing a great deal of extra PT while this E2 gets to sit and watch. I don't think that E2 will want to take the heat the rest of the platoon is going to share with him/her.

Response by SFC David Ocasio made Jan 21 at 2017 8:05 PM

SFC David Ocasio — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 20:05:20 -0500

This would not have happened when I was in the militsry. There was respect for rank and position. If a E4 team leader told you to do something it was done. No questions asked
Don't know what's going on today but if this is a issue they are facing in the militsry they have some serious issues

Response by LCpl Todd Jayne made Jan 21 at 2017 8:13 PM

LCpl Todd Jayne — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 20:13:38 -0500

I take it digging a fighting hole with an MRE spoon is frowned upon these days?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 8:17 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 20:17:48 -0500

Peer pressure works also. Don't release anyone until everything's complete. And have him pull watch over his battles while they are doing the work. Won't take long for him to get the point. Write nice little counseling that you read to him after everyone else has left. If that don't work light that but on fire in front of his peers while keeping your bearing. Write that counseling. And in no time at all he/she will get the point or a chapter

Response by PO3 John Severance made Jan 21 at 2017 8:57 PM

PO3 John Severance — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 20:57:15 -0500

I am a U.S. Navy Vietnam Veteran PO 3 and in my day 1964-1968 the little shit bird wouldn't be able to back talk me or my mates because his jaw would have been broken. Then as now there wasn't and shouldn't be any tolerance for that kind of bullshit. In any situation emergency or combat there is no excuse for disobeying any order, or you may find yourself overboard in the middle of the night in someplace like the South China Sea or if you a Marine and part of a rifle squad in combat you might get shot from behind by an M-16, not that either ever happened, just saying.

Response by LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr. made Jan 21 at 2017 9:25 PM

LCpl Darrell J. Farley Jr. — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:25:39 -0500

After I removed my foot from his ass, I let the chain of command have him.( I being his L/CPL (E-3 for you non-Marines) would then let the Corporal have him before the Sergeant would get his turn)

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 9:26 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:26:20 -0500

Personally i would make him the object of attention. I will not wall to wall counsel him in front of others but I will make sure he understands his place in the food chain and he will have crap duties for quite a while.

Response by PO1 Kerry French made Jan 21 at 2017 9:26 PM

PO1 Kerry French — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:26:32 -0500

Counseling chit and possible EMI. If it continues NJP the process them out.

Response by PO2 Scott Akridge made Jan 21 at 2017 9:46 PM

PO2 Scott Akridge — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:46:28 -0500

Throat chop

Response by Capt Hastings Lamb made Jan 21 at 2017 9:47 PM

Capt Hastings Lamb — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:47:56 -0500

I am old school, my initial instinct would be to deck the maggot and send him to the brig for insubordination. Regardless, this puke disobeyed a lawful and should be brought up on charges, preferably discharged for his actions.

Response by PO2 Jason Gick made Jan 21 at 2017 9:55 PM

PO2 Jason Gick — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:55:07 -0500

I remind them that it's not only my responsibility, but my privilege to make their lives a living hell, if they continue to disrespect my authority.

Response by PO3 Steven Guess made Jan 21 at 2017 10:17 PM

PO3 Steven Guess — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:17:22 -0500

I saw this in the early 70s in the SeaBees with p.c. and affirmative action and from the point of view the seamen doing the grunt work it was total bs . They got away with murder and nothing happened to them and since they couldn't be trusted to do anything important the rest of us had to pick up the slack . The military is not a social justice workshop and the slackers should have been stomped on hard right from the beginning . That's one of the reasons I didn't ship over

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2017 10:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 22:21:54 -0500

Crush immediately....! Do not stand for insubordination in formation. Throw it down so hard, that soldier will never look you in the eye again.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jan 21 at 2017 11:23 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Sat, 21 Jan 2017 23:23:10 -0500

It didn't fxxxxxg happen in my Army!

CSM Hayden, retired 7NOV1981

Response by PFC Gregory Ross made Jan 22 at 2017 12:44 AM

PFC Gregory Ross — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 00:44:37 -0500

I agree with all replies posed. At no time should any disrespect be allowed. Reminded me of the 1 time I was disrespectful to an NCO. I did regret the action and paid the consequence.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 2:36 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 02:36:09 -0500

They could be having a bad day or something else could be on their mind that is making them act that way, perhaps their wife asked for a divorce the other day. I'm sure we've all had moments where we've been careless and lost our military bearing because of external factors. I would have a talk with the soldier after the formation and determine if there is any problem the soldier is dealing with. If the soldier has a legitimate problem they are dealing with, I would sympathize but remind them that military bearing must be maintained for the good of themselves and the unit. If the soldier is continually belligerent, then I would recommend them for an Article 15 or offer them a non-physical punishment. From my experience, smoke sessions fix issues having to do with negligence but not so much disrespect or a bad attitude.

Response by Cpl Brent Saravia made Jan 22 at 2017 8:55 AM

Cpl Brent Saravia — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 08:55:06 -0500

Take that one stripe and take his pay for 2 months making him an E-1 for insubordination...at least that's what would have happened when I was on active duty in the U.S. Marine Corps

Response by Cpl Dale Jones made Jan 22 at 2017 10:01 AM

Cpl Dale Jones — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:01:33 -0500

Tree line.

Response by SSG Chris Stevenson made Jan 22 at 2017 11:10 AM

SSG Chris Stevenson — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:10:51 -0500

Should have never gotten rid of CCF.

Response by Sgt Scottie Mayes made Jan 22 at 2017 11:48 AM

Sgt Scottie Mayes — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:48:52 -0500

Ass whooping in my day. USMC 1981

Response by SFC Fred Manuta made Jan 22 at 2017 11:58 AM

SFC Fred Manuta — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 11:58:20 -0500

Back in the day we called it WALL-2-WALL counseling!!!! There is NO TIME for insubordination... EVER!!!!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 12:03 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:03:55 -0500

Punish the entire group for his insubordination. No paperwork, just PT and restriction to base. The unit will get him straight on their own and the E-2 will learn a valuable lesson in that the group is more important than the individual.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 12:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:07:44 -0500

Let him know it's not up for discussion, dismiss the platoon to a subordinate leader and deal with the situation immediately. I would have him complete the task, then make him clean our facility, toilets, conduct a thorough police call of the area, give him a lawn mower and have him cut the already freshly cut grass all day. After he's done he will come see me for a counseling at 1700. He will stand by for an hour as I type the counseling and catch up on some emails. I will let him know that he's not to ever challenge me, ever, and doing so will land him a recommendation for UCMJ and extra duty. He will have a loooong day, and a long week to think about what he did.

Response by GySgt Lawrence Clark made Jan 22 at 2017 12:27 PM

GySgt Lawrence Clark — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:27:30 -0500

I would grab the dip shit by the stacking swivel and bitch slap him. Last time I did that was 1981 in Korea to an SGT who told me (SFC) he wasn't going to hump the PRC 25 on the force march. Threw him through the concertina wire and outside the compound. Oh, and he humped the radio that day. Times have changed. (I retired in 2010 with 39 years of service. I've seen the changes since Vietnam in the Army and they haven't been for the good)

Response by SFC Rick Forlines made Jan 22 at 2017 1:01 PM

SFC Rick Forlines — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:01:17 -0500

I'd jack his ass in front of Gawd and everybody else

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Jan 22 at 2017 1:11 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:11:04 -0500

Senior SP4, had a PFC and a couple skeeter wings. One of the ' skeeters told me 'your not a Sgt, you can't tell me what to do'. Top came around corner and asked the private if he was on break. PFC blurted out 'he told him he wasn't a Sgt, so he doesn't have to do what he says' Top releases 3 of us and makes dude finish the detail by himself under Tops supervision. Never happened again

Response by PO2 William Keys made Jan 22 at 2017 1:13 PM

PO2 William Keys — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:13:22 -0500

On board ship we took care of things like that with "fan room counselling".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 1:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:18:48 -0500

You cut 'em.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 1:19 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:19:11 -0500

You cut 'em!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 1:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:58:24 -0500

I don't think this is a "quiet" behind the scenes interaction with said private. Failure to immediately address such insubordination sets a standard and will create issues for a long time afterward.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jan 22 at 2017 2:27 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 14:27:05 -0500

Sounds like it is time for a "promotion" ceremony to E-1.

Response by SSG Thomas Wymer made Jan 22 at 2017 2:36 PM

SSG Thomas Wymer — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 14:36:25 -0500

based on mission, I might assign somebody else to do the task while the PV2 stayed in the front lean and rest for however long the task took, inspected, and approved...then I would let billet justice teach this young man the error of his ways by his fellow peers and he would be on my shit list duty roster for the rest of his tour (or mine which ever was shorter) and he def would be put on the not recommended for promotion roster....

Response by SPC Randy Holguin made Jan 22 at 2017 3:00 PM

SPC Randy Holguin — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:00:02 -0500

I hate the fact the the military these days has come to a "wall to wall counseling" type of army. If this were my soldier after assigning said duty and declined it I'd simply say stand fast after formation and dismiss everyone else. I'd than question why he has declined my lawful order as he was in the front leaning rest I'd also explain to him he signed a contract to Uncle Sam and he can follow the order given regardless of feel. I'd dismiss the soldier to their assigned squad leader and have their squad leader stay with the soldier at the close of business and proceed with a hearty smoking of various exercises for a couple of hours with his squad leader who is now upset they have to say because the soldier cannot comply. I learned it this way without counseling and I never did it again in my days. People change and begin to understand but some are just too far gone. If you've invested time into a soldier and they still do not want to comply and muscle memory training then counsel them and get them out. Every soldier has potential.

Response by Cpl Samuel Thomas made Jan 22 at 2017 3:02 PM

Cpl Samuel Thomas — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:02:26 -0500

Come here boot. Let's go have a talk over here. When out of site, beat his ass. Then tell him to go do what he was told or get another one.

Response by MSgt John Gray made Jan 22 at 2017 3:34 PM

MSgt John Gray — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:34:47 -0500

I retired in 2000 when disrespect to a senior in charge was punishable by... What I would have done is now outlawed.

Response by TSgt Julie Miller made Jan 22 at 2017 5:32 PM

TSgt Julie Miller — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:32:02 -0500

This is a hard one to respond to... I've read through many responses and see both sides of the fence. Here's my 2 cents.

Following the attacks of 9/11 I had two young male airmen make demands, not requests, but demands that we put them up in billeting because the accommodations afforded them wasn't acceptable. Our base was in the process of shutting down a dorm in bad need of repairs. Following the attacks, and due to the immediate proximity of those dorms to the public road, the residents were given several very good options.

They approached me together in the main hallway of our unit near the CC office and was pushing me, an E-6, to tell the Chief to put them up. Now understand our base billeting was full of pilots forced to land immediately, with no way to get back to home base till the flight restrictions were lifted.... incoming personnel and outgoing personnel suddenly found themselves scrambling for any kind of hotel or off base housing.

I found myself biting my tongue trying to firmly explain to them that their request was not going to be met and they needed to rethink their position. I was seething on the inside as this generation of Airmen were quickly proving to be entitlement minded. What I wanted to say took a backseat to proper response. I had my own neck to think of..... As an NCO, I was taught to not react to the immediate but to asses, then react. Fortunately, our Chief saw what was going on and did back me up. Needless to say once their term of enlistment was up, they left the service.

As my own history, I had another situation where an NCO kept harrasing me. He had no idea what was going on in my immediate life, and yes, I finally snapped one day and blasted him left, right and center.... Was I wrong... Yes. Could I have handled it better, yes....

It is a double edged sword and as a retired NCO, I look back and am so glad we had to go through all that training on how to handle situations such as these. Throat punching, sorry that's not my style. But keeping track of each incident with all proper documentation to include all counseling sessions, yes... Sometimes you can help the one reacting to a negative situation and sometimes you redirect their attitudes....

Today's military has become so different......hopefully, it will become strong again.

Response by SFC John Gatz made Jan 22 at 2017 5:34 PM

SFC John Gatz — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:34:26 -0500

Choke him out, like those before him.

Response by PFC John Bender made Jan 22 at 2017 5:39 PM

PFC John Bender — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:39:39 -0500

Cost me an Article 15 in 81'

Response by PO2 Steven Rogers made Jan 22 at 2017 5:56 PM

PO2 Steven Rogers — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:56:18 -0500

Brig!

Response by SFC Walt "Butch" Deal made Jan 22 at 2017 6:06 PM

SFC Walt "Butch" Deal — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:06:30 -0500

I would have released the formation and had the troop and his compadres stand fast. I would have then marched them to the 1sg office and reported the situation. I wpoukd have asked that formal charges erought against all of them.

Response by SPC James Martin made Jan 22 at 2017 6:07 PM

SPC James Martin — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:07:21 -0500

Nut punch

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 6:30 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:30:32 -0500

I tell them that they will be performing that task, then remind them how the chain of command works. If that ends up being ineffective, paperwork is always an option.

Response by SPC Athelred Davis made Jan 22 at 2017 6:53 PM

SPC Athelred Davis — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 18:53:31 -0500

Stare at them until they stop and then until they're obviously uncomfortable. Then tell them at this point it would take less time to process them out of your presence than to deal with their bullshit everytime you need them to do something. They should have volunteered to make something out of themselves not to ruin themselves, remind them of this and proceed to an article 15 if necessary.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thom made Jan 22 at 2017 7:12 PM

Cpl Ernest Thom — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 19:12:30 -0500

As an Old School Marine, I would have the rest of the platoon dismissed to their respective duties while having the PFC stand fast. After the rest leave me and said Shit bird take a trip to the Wash rack because there is NO justifiable reason ANY E2/3 is going to disobey a direct lawful order. This is where blouses come off and said SHIT BIRD get the worst ass beating of his life. If said Shit bird does not see the error of his ways then Shit bird gets a full article 15... in my Marine Corps we don't have the same issues the Army does because MOST Shit birds are weeded out prior to graduation from boot camp. Not saying the Corps doesn't have Shit birds because we did and still do but they're completely differant.

Now if I were in today, the little ray of sunshine would be awarded a bronze star, meritoriously promoted to SFC E7, Given his/her safe space, Legos, play dough and his/her mommy would be brought up to chew me out!!! WHY, because obama completely destroyed our military from the foundation up! Maybe, just maybe President Trump can bring it back from self destruction. I have faith in Secretary of Defense General "Mad Dog" Mattis to make sure it does become UN-FUCKED!

Response by MSG Gordon Stinson made Jan 22 at 2017 7:29 PM

MSG Gordon Stinson — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 19:29:57 -0500

Punish the whole,platoon for his being disrespectful and disobeying a lawful order. The platoon will send the message to do as instructed.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 7:42 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 19:42:56 -0500

I've been lucky thus far, but I've had fellow E5's do this to me.

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Jan 22 at 2017 10:13 PM

LCpl Jeff Moore — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 22:13:26 -0500

Is there any reason why folks would question your leadership? If you are a outstanding and upright NCO. Explain again that the detail was a order. And if he didn't want to follow the order. Take him over to the 1st sgt.

But are you in the a grunt unit or admin type unit. That might make a difference

Response by GySgt Bill Chastain made Jan 22 at 2017 10:20 PM

GySgt Bill Chastain — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 22:20:26 -0500

When I was a Sgt I'd tell him to step out of the formation, come to the POA and wait. I'd dismiss the platoon, put him in a vehicle and drive to a nice remote place and change his attitude.

Response by Sgt Michael Postava made Jan 22 at 2017 10:43 PM

Sgt Michael Postava — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 22:43:26 -0500

I never heard of anything like that happening in my day. But that was thirty years ago. Punishment would have been swift

Response by Sgt Floyd Marcum made Jan 22 at 2017 11:08 PM

Sgt Floyd Marcum — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 23:08:50 -0500

Wall to wall counselling session
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Response by SGT Gregory Reilly made Jan 22 at 2017 11:30 PM

SGT Gregory Reilly — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 23:30:26 -0500

He should get his ass kicked in front of everyone so it's a lesson to all, however with the pussification of todays military most commands or branches wouldn't tolerate it. Glad I'm retired.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Jan 23 at 2017 12:26 AM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 00:26:45 -0500

Understand I am a Coastie, so terms may differ. First establish control. "Belay that!" Dismiss the rest of the group, ordering the person in question to stand fast. Afterwards, some fan room counseling would be in order. Sometimes discipline can best be handled outside of official channels. Sometimes more official actions are required. On my last unit, I was Electronics LPO and had a problem child. The previous LPO had taken the official route, placing him on report on several occasions. When I reported aboard, I had discussed his situation with the Operations Officer, an O4 who was my direct superior. (Before someone says something yes, there was a more junior officer or rather junior officers assigned as Electronics Officer, but they rotated on a regular basis and stuff like that I went right to the Operations Officer.) After being briefed on the past issues, I said I would like to try and handle this on a more informal basis. We did have a few Fan Room sessions, many sessions of extra instruction, some special work details, etc, but in the end, the CG lost a problem child and gained a squared away sailor.

Response by CPL Daniel Oliva made Jan 23 at 2017 2:26 AM

CPL Daniel Oliva — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:26:52 -0500

Talk to him in private and see if something else is bothering him. If he continues to be defiant you immediately inform your superiors and Company Commander. Demote him to private E-1, and have the M.P.'s take him to jail.

Response by Cpl Kevin Dubiel made Jan 23 at 2017 2:53 AM

Cpl Kevin Dubiel — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:53:19 -0500

Their is so much failure in this short description. Failure on the boot next to him for not jumping down his throat. Failure on his team leader for not doing the same. But wait there's more... he still has a squad leader who is almost certainly an E5 as well who should immediately be in his face. Then comes you! It's obvious that your command has failed you as well. The fact that apparently you are close to picking up a SNCO rank and need to ask advice on how to correct some kid fresh out the school house is amazing! Haven't you ever been to an NCO school? I'd assume that throughout your x amount of years of service you have seen people get corrected. Did you think to pay attention? The answer to your question is to make his life a living hell. Make him realize that it is much easier to listen the first time than try to get into a pissing contest with you! I always used the tone of voice that was appropriate for that specific situation and for that specific person. You should know what the best way to get through to that person bc he is under your charge! Put him on weekend duties. Put him on the second to last fire watch. Give him the crappiest working party details. Invite him over at zero dark thirty with you to go on a nice long run. Make him sweep the sunshine off the sidewalk. Most of all, lead by example. After all, we are war fighters and I don't know about you but I always preferred to feel a little more comfortable knowing the guy with the loaded gun next to me cared about my well being as much as I cared about theirs.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Jan 23 at 2017 3:04 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 03:04:40 -0500

Back in my day he would have been picking his bloody face up off the floor. I'd need to research current regs but that type of disrespect and failure to follow a lawful directive would need to be at least and article 15.

Response by 1LT John Thomas Price made Jan 23 at 2017 4:01 AM

1LT John Thomas Price — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 04:01:38 -0500

Really!?? What's the question here?
As Former E-1 Shithead that made E-6, then OSC'd up to 1Lt in Artillery, Armor and finally in attack helicopters I will say this . You follow all lawful orders of your superiors, thus is the military not some mamby pampy civilian job. Discipline is for a reason and not optional. I'm a little tired of hearing all this personnel management bullshit that's invaded and infected the military, leadership is what counts, earned respect of authority is everything, and so are shit assignments sometimes. The snowflakes need to get out and stay out !!!

Response by SGT Floyd Bollinger made Jan 23 at 2017 7:40 AM

SGT Floyd Bollinger — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 07:40:47 -0500

You put your foot up his rear end & tell him he better unscrew himself.

Response by SGT Jaime Alaniz made Jan 23 at 2017 8:46 AM

SGT Jaime Alaniz — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 08:46:12 -0500

Half right face. Commence to smoke ALL of them then invite ALL PLT NCO's to BBQ.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Jan 23 at 2017 9:40 AM

LTC Donell Kelly — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:40:20 -0500

As an ANC, I'd have them get a brain scan to see if there was anything in there. After receiving a negative, I'd have them discharged for lack of being an intact human...... :-)

Response by PO1 Louis Green made Jan 23 at 2017 9:52 AM

PO1 Louis Green — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 09:52:41 -0500

I give the job to someone else and he's cleaning toilets for a month and if they are not clean his shipmates should see to his attitude adjustment. They are the one's using the filthy bathroom.

Response by PO3 Jeffrey Riley made Jan 23 at 2017 11:18 AM

PO3 Jeffrey Riley — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:18:44 -0500

I was a fresh PO3 in the USN and was attached to FMTB West (Field Medical Training Batallion). It is essentially a C-school which allows Navy Corpsmen to operate with the Marine Corps. Unless you're willing to fuck someone up, you're going to allow them to undermine your authority which will in turn make you question yourself which will in turn make your infrastructure of rank and respect dissolve. It is important to lead by example and to understand that even though you're a particular rank, you're still learning too. I had a reservist E-2 who was significantly older than me. He was giving one of my POs a problem. I locked him up right there: "I don't give a fuck if you are 40 years old. You have not earned the title that I have in time in service OR passed an advancement exam. Rank is the only barometer and you will listen or there will be fucking problems, do you understand? Do you like being talked to like this by someone younger than you? Either contribute or get in line.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2017 11:31 AM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:31:01 -0500

Insubordination in front of your troops by a lower enlisted private is a death wish and a sure fire way to end your short military career. Everyone in my formation knows that details are handed out fairly and justly and insubordination will swiftly be delt with with. If he wants to be a stud in front of everyone in MY formation, he will quickly find out who is in charge and so will the rest of the platoon!

I would make him and his team leader stand fast while the rest of the platoon went on their way to accomplish the daily duties given. There will be counseling and there will most definitely be corrective training. He might be able to get away with that crap in another platoon, but not mine.

He doesn't attend Berkeley and he doesn't have a safe place here to spout off at the mouth. The only safe places here are behind the rear sight posts of your weapon! And there is no place for insubordination especially when lives may be on the line at some point.

Response by SSG James Dennis made Jan 23 at 2017 11:34 AM

SSG James Dennis — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:34:16 -0500

Someone just filled the open slot for cleaning the latrine, until I make CSM.

Response by MSgt Christopher Schoen made Jan 23 at 2017 11:44 AM

MSgt Christopher Schoen — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:44:52 -0500

Retired. But, have been on "both sides" of this situation. When I was the lowly E-nothing, I mouthed off in front of the boss, in front of everybody. Was physically dragged outside, thrown against the wall, yelled at, and learned a valuable lesson. I was NOT the lead dog of the pack. Fast forward to when I was the shop boss. They adapted to my style...and if a task wasn't done by the COB day...everyone stayed back. They soon learned to work as a team instead of individuals.

Response by SPC Corey Bell made Jan 23 at 2017 12:06 PM

SPC Corey Bell — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:06:18 -0500

What is a Senior E-5?, that must be a National Guard/Reserves classification or is it like E-5 Promoteable maybe

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2017 12:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:07:57 -0500

Punish in private. However, the Military I was in, therr was no chance to explain yourself. The order is as follows, soldier is given an order or directive and then they move out. Ask questions later. But, if they act that way then it's paperwork. Nothing beats a papertrail.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jan 23 at 2017 12:22 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:22:59 -0500

Talk with the new recruit immediately after formation.

Response by Cpl Shadrick Powell made Jan 23 at 2017 12:25 PM

Cpl Shadrick Powell — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:25:08 -0500

Embarrass him right there in front of everyone knife hand to the face tell him to get into pt gear and all ncos in the platoon take turns running him up a hill until he changes his mind about mouthing off to a senior nco paperwork doesn't fix anything but pain and exercise fixes everything

Response by Cpl Shadrick Powell made Jan 23 at 2017 12:28 PM

Cpl Shadrick Powell — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:28:06 -0500

Knife hand to the face embarrass him in front of the whole platoon tell him to fall out and get into pt gear and all ncos in platoon take turns running his butt up a hill one at a time until he learns to never mouth off to a senior nco paperwork doesn't nothing but ruin a man's life but alittle pain and exercise builds character and respect for authority

Response by SGT Jeff Bortel made Jan 23 at 2017 12:28 PM

SGT Jeff Bortel — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:28:19 -0500

Article 15 court marshal

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Jan 23 at 2017 12:34 PM

1SG John Highfill — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:34:49 -0500

Dismiss formation except soldier and his squad leader find out why Soldier funds it necessary to disobey a lawful command. If Eason stinks council him and list UCMJ Articles . Have squad leader make sure Soldier performs duty and withhold privaledges from Soldier give extra Training maybe write paper on conduct .Write everything out in counseling statement . Any further trouble refer for article 15

Response by PVT Kimberly Anderson made Jan 23 at 2017 1:12 PM

PVT Kimberly Anderson — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:12:38 -0500

I CERTAINLY WOULDNT THROAT PUNCH HIM

Response by PO2 Jon Thomas made Jan 23 at 2017 1:27 PM

PO2 Jon Thomas — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:27:57 -0500

From the late 70's to early 80's I made the whole formation pay for it. After the others "talked" to the E2 suddenly there were no more problems. Punish the group and let them handle it first.

Response by PO1 Don Hand made Jan 23 at 2017 1:53 PM

PO1 Don Hand — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:53:27 -0500

What worked real well for me, was to switch places with them (with command approval...) And tell them THEY have to pick someone. And tell them NO ONE is leaving formation until HE has chosen. No, he can't do it himself, he HAS to pick someone, and if it doesn't get done correctly, HE will be held accountable...

I picked a new guy every Friday to run the show for 6 months. Within a month, bitching dropped to zero and they all wound up knowing each others jobs, and overall effectiveness went up. All the other teams thought I was effing nutz. But my guys were awesome, and stopped bitching about stupid shit.

The trick, and here is the catch. When Smartass E2 finally sacks up enough to tell YOU to get the trash out, you better be willing to suck it up and do it. Because isn't that eventually the name of the game? Teach leadership? Teach accountability? At least I thought so...

Response by SGT Bryan Remines made Jan 23 at 2017 1:59 PM

SGT Bryan Remines — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 13:59:30 -0500

Not allowed any more wall to wall counseling! I promise magic of pen on a counseling statement loss months pay and extra duty! Not to mention to whisper in snowflakes ear ( suck up buttercup cup and drive on other wise I will own your career for letting your battle buddies down) look him in the eyes and smile knowing the rest of my platoon got me covered! They will find weed themselves or adapt!

Response by SrA James Cannon made Jan 23 at 2017 2:34 PM

SrA James Cannon — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:34:50 -0500

Yeah, that shouldn't fly.

Response by 1SG Richard Turner made Jan 23 at 2017 2:51 PM

1SG Richard Turner — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:51:44 -0500

I keep reading about UCMJ. If you are an NCO and you can handle a Private E-2 open disrespect without UCMJ you need to take off your stripes. I would have the young private explain to me why I should assign the task to another Soldier while he is in the front leaning rest. If he has a valid point then he can get up. He does not have a valid point then he can stay in that position while I finish the formation. After formation, the corrective training would ensue followed by his reporting to the proper location to conduct his work detail. After the detail is complete he would then report to his counseling session and other such actions as directed by his squad leader and/or Platoon Sergeant. It would be a very long day for the young private but at the end of the day, he would still have his money and his rank. The second time he refused and smarted off in formation then the rank, money, and time would go away.

Response by Sgt Richard Kiene made Jan 23 at 2017 3:08 PM

Sgt Richard Kiene — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:08:37 -0500

Is this in the Corps?I know in my time there would be some one on the deck.And I don't mean the NCO.

Response by SGT John Keehner made Jan 23 at 2017 4:07 PM

SGT John Keehner — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:07:54 -0500

When one private gets away with it in front of everyone else. You have lost the confidence of the other lower enlisted. I always like terms seriously and excuse me.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2017 4:14 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:14:51 -0500

My room mate was catching a ride to get haircuts one night. It was 15 degrees out, cold as hell. So I asked if I could tag along with them. Some boot that had been in that unit for a couple months texted us and called us lazy for not walking 3 miles in the freezing cold and 3 miles back. I privately texted him and said to watch his mouth and be very careful with who he is accusing of laziness. I'm a hard worker and nobody has ever doubted it. Thought I was being a fairly lenient NCO. WAs going to just let the kid off with that warning. The kid's tactful response was "I don't care about your threats, it's all just words to me."

The kid wasn't my marine, but his NCOIC was a good friend of his. I don't reach into another man's fridge without asking. So I called him up, sent him the texts and said, "I'd like to make him write me a VERY LONG essay on respect. My logic was that the worst thing you can take from jr. marines is their time. Shouting works with some. Going on a long ass run works for others. But time seems to be a pretty consistent pressure point. So it was going to be a 9 page, size 8 font, 0 spacing, no double spacing, normal indentation essay. Proofread too with no grammatical or spelling errors. Additionally, I'm a master of google searching key phrases to check for plagiarism.

Instead of obliging me on this, his NCOIC said "Nah, 6105." I was like "Bro, that shit's going to follow him. It's his first offense. Just let me waste his time, ruin a friday night or so, then call it even." They went with the 6105.

I feel like negative paperwork just gets handed out like candy nowadays. I get it, there's times when it's warranted, even necessary. But it's too many NCOs/Staff NCO's go-to punishment nowadays and I'm already seeing Marines reacting to threats of paperwork with scoffs and cynicism. They're starting to just not care about negative paperwork. We've sort of desensitized them towards something that can actually end up on their OMPF and affect them in the job market as civilians for even the slightest things. Just comes across as lazy. Instead of actually pouring effort into the Marine and trying to shape them through discipline, we just throw in a sprinkle of negative counselings and a dash of NJPs and hope that it's a good recipe for success.

It's not and they're growing indifferent to it.

Response by SSG Michael Graham III made Jan 23 at 2017 4:29 PM

SSG Michael Graham III — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:29:01 -0500

Front leaning rest position...forever begin!

Response by LCpl Phil Hoseman made Jan 23 at 2017 4:56 PM

LCpl Phil Hoseman — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:56:20 -0500

Have him pound sad till he resembles a sugar cookie!

Response by SPC Tim Gibbs made Jan 23 at 2017 5:36 PM

SPC Tim Gibbs — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:36:41 -0500

Hahaha instant beat down and smoke session for hours ...oops wait a minute, are we outside of the brown fence? Who cares, same result. RLTW

Response by LCpl Allen Blaylock made Jan 23 at 2017 6:41 PM

LCpl Allen Blaylock — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:41:21 -0500

My E5 would've confronted the team leader, the team leader would respond with a team management class all of about 45sec. E2 shirtbird would quickly stand (kinda) and accept the order from said E5 and followed through and completed the task with the upmost vigor and determination!

Response by SFC Bruce Pettengill made Jan 23 at 2017 7:06 PM

SFC Bruce Pettengill — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:06:23 -0500

restate this is a lawful order, document then use the chain of command

Response by LCpl James Nicholas made Jan 23 at 2017 7:45 PM

LCpl James Nicholas — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:45:26 -0500

In the 80s NOBODY had big enough BALLS to back talk our DIs !!! They would KICK YOUR ADS AND NEVER TOUCH YOU !!! OR YOU WOULD REFUSE TO TRAIN AND BE SENT HOME , NO FUCKING QUESTIONS ASKED, WTF HAS HAPPENED TO OUT SOCIETY ????

Response by SSG Gino Sabucco I made Jan 23 at 2017 7:56 PM

SSG Gino Sabucco I — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 19:56:40 -0500

The first thing that I'd do, is Lock him up at Parade Rest!, while I continued to give out the remainder of the Tasks!, Then I'd Lock eye's with that young Troop, and tell him that he has two Choices!.......1) Conform to the Orders Given!, (Then Beat Face Till I'm Tired), or 2) Get Burned Hard for Insubordination!..........If He chooses (2), He's going before the Company Commander as a Minimum!, And I'm going for Max Punishment!

Response by SFC Joe Askew made Jan 23 at 2017 9:38 PM

SFC Joe Askew — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:38:10 -0500

Smoke him/her with every exercise in the Military Training Manual and, if they refuse take their butts to the 1SG/Chain of Command for disciplinary Action.. Take that all mighty dollar from them and they'll get the idea real quick!!!!!

Response by PFC Tim Wilkinson made Jan 23 at 2017 9:43 PM

PFC Tim Wilkinson — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:43:04 -0500

Article 15 insubordination

Response by CSM William DeWolf made Jan 23 at 2017 10:26 PM

CSM William DeWolf — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:26:02 -0500

Tell him "where the bear shits in the woods!" At th appropriate time, of course!

Response by CPO Earl Jones made Jan 23 at 2017 10:37 PM

CPO Earl Jones — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:37:04 -0500

There is that old saying Praise in public and punish in private but in some cases you need to make an example and this is one of those cases. Because the E2 is challenging your authority. Inform this shitbird he will complete to jobs that you gave him or your will start the process of getting him the fyck out of your military. You can do hard time or easy time in the military but the military is going to get their time.

Response by SGT Philip Grubb made Jan 23 at 2017 10:59 PM

SGT Philip Grubb — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:59:19 -0500

It's simple. The conmand is a conmand. You do not have an option. When given an order and a conmand, you follow through with the said order without complaint or insubordination in any way.
As said by someone else, it's seen as a direct reflection of leadership. So the NCO over him will also feel the length of the whip of correction.
If you don't wanna fall in line and follow your order go ahead and prepare to take up residence at fort couch with a promotion to civilian.

Response by SFC John Patterson made Jan 23 at 2017 11:02 PM

SFC John Patterson — Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:02:31 -0500

In front of God and everyone, choke his punk ass out and ask for a volunteer to do the assigned task. Infantry eat their young. You show weakness you get weakness.

Response by SGT Dominic Montoya made Jan 24 at 2017 12:42 AM

SGT Dominic Montoya — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:42:58 -0500

I had one soldier under me that thought he was hood and could do what he wanted as a fresh E-2. Never had any problems with any other soldiers before or after him. He got smoked the first time. The second time he got a counseling statement with his squad leader. The third he got a field grade Article 15. Reduction in rank to E-1. Restriction to to the baracks for 30 days. 30 days extra duty and two months half pay. He learned real fast that he didn't run things

Response by PO2 Joseph Holdener made Jan 24 at 2017 1:13 AM

PO2 Joseph Holdener — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:13:02 -0500

Death by Magamboo

Response by CPT Jeff Reichardt made Jan 24 at 2017 5:42 AM

CPT Jeff Reichardt — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:42:08 -0500

I would give them their first article 15. With that, I would hope the commander we give them extra duty just to remind them.

Response by SSG Joe Vendetti made Jan 24 at 2017 6:39 AM

SSG Joe Vendetti — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 06:39:16 -0500

I would have a few por-ta John's delivered every weekend and have him gaurd and scrub each and every one of them.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Jan 24 at 2017 6:40 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 06:40:45 -0500

Don't know about today, but the Army I was in, (1969-71), this soldier would likely develop a close, personal relationship with the dumpster as he GI'd it with a toothbrush. Or maybe extended mess hall duty in the grease trap. If that wasn't enough, he might get invited to "laundry detail." He would report to the supply room, where he'd be greeted by several members of the cadre who'd demonstrate the error of his ways. Laundry bags were stacked up against the walls to prevent excess trauma as he collided with said walls. I'm told the Army's mellowed in recent years, but the above always seemed to do the trick back in the day.

Response by SFC David Pope, MBA made Jan 24 at 2017 7:22 AM

SFC David Pope, MBA — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:22:14 -0500

I had the same thing happen to me when I was an E-4 team chief. The only problem was my female private was sleeping with my squad leader. I reported the insubordination to my squad leader, and he ripped me a knew one. Then my platoon SGT asks me why the private was not doing her assignment, and I explained what happened. Again I get ripped a new one. Finally another higher ranking squad leader stepped in after witnessing my posterior get removed one chunk at a time. He ripped my squad leader a new one and made him get his girlfriend back in line. It was weeks later that I found out about the knocking boots, and 20 years later that I found out why I got ripped twice for doing my job. I was being racially blocked from promotion and retention by my squad leader and platoon SGT. The other squad leader knew this and stepped in on my behalf. I wish he had been my squad leader. He was part of the same Mason Lodge and that gave him leverage. Needless to say that private was transferred a week later to another company, and my life got a lot better.

Response by CSM Arthur La Rue made Jan 24 at 2017 7:28 AM

CSM Arthur La Rue — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:28:48 -0500

Well, the fact that you referred to yourself as a "senior E-5" is telling in itself. "Senior E-5 is not a rank. And, without any more details (stories always improve later on) insubordination does not go down the Chain, only up. We call the other direction poor leadership, so this needs counseling and referral to the chain of command. Regardless of what or how the orders were given, the private (?) should have followed orders and complained afterwards. The (SGT) hopefully would have insisted but assisted that young (soldier?) in completing the mission. Often, young NCOs aren't always the best at either leadership or tact, so I'm guessing that young (E-2) may have had enough. Still, orders are orders. This is a teachable moment for all involved.

Response by SGT Aaron Atwood made Jan 24 at 2017 7:41 AM

SGT Aaron Atwood — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:41:34 -0500

You still assign him that task, and have a talk behind the treeline with him and his fireteam leader/squad leader. Remind him that he is not hot s**t just because he has a pizza stain by his GWOT. Remind him that as far as you are concerned he knows nothing even if he has a Master's and you have zero college. You're still the senior Sergeant. He ain't. From there, send him away to do the assigned task with extra janitorial duties. Once he's gone talk with his immediate leadership and find out if this is common behavior for him or if something happened that is causing him to act the way he is. We all have our moments where bearing goes out the window. The important thing to address is why and how to prevent that from happening again without kissing his @$$.

Response by SFC Bill Snyder made Jan 24 at 2017 7:47 AM

SFC Bill Snyder — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:47:48 -0500

Back in the "old" days, he would find out what the Mess Hall grease trap look like on weekends and learn that Passes are a previlidge, not a right. Nowadays, I would guess that you keep a book on this Guy and when the time is ripe, a visit to the CO to process elimination paperwork would take care of things.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2017 7:49 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:49:23 -0500

I am a TSgt with nearly 20 years service. I would like to say my military bearing would prevail and I would pull the individual aside. If, on a bad day, my "other" military perspective may take hold and an ass chewing of monumental proportions would occur. It also depends a lot on what kind of troop the individual has been and if there may be hidden reasons for his insubordination; maybe family issues at home?

Response by MSG Darren Gaddy made Jan 24 at 2017 8:18 AM

MSG Darren Gaddy — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:18:44 -0500

I agree with many of the comments below. First thing is maintain your bearing in front of your other Soldiers. Second, give the Soldier the proper command to shut his mouth. Allow him to disobey a lawful order and continue his insubordinate conduct. Instruct him and his team leader to stand-fast, and allow the other Soldiers to depart for work-call. Explain to him the expectations of a service member, no matter the service. Maybe he didn't understand before, but ensure this time he does. Maybe you need to help him with some energy dispersal at this point. Question him upon completion to ensure he understands the expectations and his position in the unit and when he is allowed to or expected to speak. Document, document, document..... He just made and example of himself! Ensure your leadership style is not contributing to behavior of this sort or allowing room for it. Re-examine, ensure your Boss is aware and knows you've handled it correctly. Mentorship is important at all levels.

Response by SGT Lee Thomsen made Jan 24 at 2017 8:42 AM

SGT Lee Thomsen — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:42:32 -0500

Platoon! Half Right Face! Front leaning rest position, MOVE! 1,2,3...1

Response by SSG William Jackson made Jan 24 at 2017 8:58 AM

SSG William Jackson — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:58:27 -0500

Paper work would be started to release him with a dishonorable. if he does not understand the change of command and respect he would be a high risk in combat.

Response by Sgt Donald Riggs made Jan 24 at 2017 9:03 AM

Sgt Donald Riggs — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:03:26 -0500

putting him in compliance would have been swift and no one would have questioned it. When did we become a "words can hurt" military?

Response by SFC Anthony Montoya made Jan 24 at 2017 9:12 AM

SFC Anthony Montoya — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:12:54 -0500

Tell him to shut his fucking pie hole and stand fast after formation so you can rip his heart out thru his asshole and make him eat it little fucktard

Response by SSgt Stephen Mills made Jan 24 at 2017 9:26 AM

SSgt Stephen Mills — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:26:52 -0500

Wall 2 Wall counciling

Response by Capt Troop Emonds made Jan 24 at 2017 9:38 AM

Capt Troop Emonds — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:38:46 -0500

Ask the E-2 if he'd like to stand in front of the Platoon Commander and explain why he is insubordinate, and wasting everyone's time and not be demoted to E-1, and make up his, and everyone else's time for clearly demonstrating to everyone, that really you are in a military organization, and if you do not adapt to the warrior creed you are just not going to enjoy your adventure in the Army being a living breathing example of how not to conduct yourself in the Army!

Response by SPC David Hack made Jan 24 at 2017 9:43 AM

SPC David Hack — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:43:44 -0500

That's when after COB I call him on my carpet, and present his smart mouthed self with a Summary Article 15!

Response by Sgt Kenneth Kornexl made Jan 24 at 2017 9:45 AM

Sgt Kenneth Kornexl — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:45:39 -0500

bring the E2 up on charges

Response by SP5 Joseph Howard made Jan 24 at 2017 9:51 AM

SP5 Joseph Howard — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:51:39 -0500

Article 15

Response by SN Derrick Johnson made Jan 24 at 2017 9:52 AM

SN Derrick Johnson — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:52:08 -0500

I think this depends on a couple things. Is this the E-2's first incident? If so, then corrective training and/or punishment should be done at the NCO level. There is zero reason to kick this upstairs for an incident that should be able to be handled by a competent NCO.

If this is a repeat offense, or the serial abuser, then full write up and move on to let the Chain of Command handle it. Even then it should be done in an orderly way and only as a last resort should the XO or CO be involved. Having a smart mouth is what young men and women do. It's instinctive at that age, particularly for those coming from tough situations. No need to ruin their potential careers over a smart ass comment. But make no mistake, I'm not saying to coddle them either, they get double duty, the real shitty jobs and extra watch rotations. All things that can be handled at an NCO level.

Response by MSG Elliott H Gray made Jan 24 at 2017 10:03 AM

MSG Elliott H Gray — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:03:04 -0500

Are you kidding me, is it so bad out there we have to ask this question?

Response by SrA Kristin Stewart made Jan 24 at 2017 10:06 AM

SrA Kristin Stewart — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:06:01 -0500

that person would be out of there, rank shouldnt even matter, what the hell makes him think its even okay

Response by COL John Hudson made Jan 24 at 2017 10:07 AM

COL John Hudson — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:07:04 -0500

"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." Lots of good answers below...all based on the initial situation at time of occurrence, so you have to be flexible in your response. Those E-5 stripes on your shoulder tells me you should already possess all you need to handle Pvt. Clueless there, but the most important aspect is to handle it NOW! While I agree with the 'praise in public, punish in private" COA and have used it throughout my own career - at times it's important enough to correct an attitude WHERE it occurs, in order to send a message to all in attendance. Your own expertise and experience will tell you when to do that, so be careful to ensure that your 'public' response is measured and sends the proper message (all predicated on the amount of angst, anger, or outright bovine spatter sent your way by Pvt. Clueless).

Response by Cpl S Messick made Jan 24 at 2017 10:07 AM

Cpl S Messick — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:07:48 -0500

In the Marines we would have gotten written up. In the old Marines we would have been taken out back! OORAH, attitude adjustment!

Response by CW4 William (David) Craig made Jan 24 at 2017 10:11 AM

CW4 William (David) Craig — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:11:53 -0500

I simply would march them straight to the orderly room and either let the first sgt or the commander deal with it. If it was a legal order then I am sure that UCMJ can correct the problem in the short term beyond that your commander, you, and the individual need to decide if he is right to be in the service. You can't afford to have this type of behavior because once you get into combat there isn't time to deal with this.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Jan 24 at 2017 10:21 AM

1SG Billye Jackson — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:21:42 -0500

Doesn't make a Difference what his Problem is, this kind or response can not be let Happen. If E5 didn't make Quick and Public Correction ,He would be seeing Me, as for E1 he would be working for me for about 2 weeks, trust me he would never do it again. But I must admit, something like this never happened to me, I don't know if it was because of the way I conducted myself or because it was a Whole Different ARMY.

Response by PO3 James Burroughs made Jan 24 at 2017 10:39 AM

PO3 James Burroughs — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:39:36 -0500

would tell them to stand fast. The ask why they thought they should refuse said order. If attitude presists i would give it to the chief or higher. Subject would probably get restricted duty or a article 15 at captaind mast.

Response by SMSgt Mike Wood made Jan 24 at 2017 11:00 AM

SMSgt Mike Wood — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:00:46 -0500

Dismiss the rest of the troops to their duty assignments. TELL the offender to stand in place. TWO outcomes. One the troop stands in place. Inform him to follow you to the first sgt's office. Invite the commander. Inform the troop that he will be escorted to his barracks to pack 4 sets of underware, socks, uniforms and hygiene articles. Call the Personnel Correction Facility (PCF) while he is doing this. Two, the individual walks away and will not respond to your command. Go straight to the first sgt's office, call the MP's to pick him up. Then, escort to barracks and PCF. File charges under article 15, insubordination.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2017 11:31 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:31:40 -0500

Give PVT Dioshit additional duty!

Response by PO3 Ace Adcox made Jan 24 at 2017 11:52 AM

PO3 Ace Adcox — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:52:24 -0500

As an e5. The young ster has no say

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jan 24 at 2017 12:13 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:13:16 -0500

I can't remember anything approaching this in 21.5 years. Closest would be griping about getting a bad post for a week for no apparent reason, from an E3 when I was an E5. It was done after the formation, respectfully and in private, and the guy was actually right, an oversight on my part. I checked the rosters, told him he was stuck with it that day, but I made it up to him later. If he had taken the attitude in your scenario, I would have likely removed him from post that day for PRP reasons and sent him to the shrink, which would have meant involving the chain of command. And since he challenged me in public, yeah, right in front of everyone, like "Turn in your weapon now and meet me back here ASAP", which the whole formation would rightly interpret as non-career-enhancing.

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Jan 24 at 2017 12:13 PM

LTC Russ Smith — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:13:18 -0500

Write him up for a company grade Article 15 for disrespect to an NCO and disobeying an order, after verbally reprimanding him in a very processional, loud, and public manner on the spot. Do not tolerate this. Send a clear message.

Response by SMSgt Dave Swearingin made Jan 24 at 2017 12:17 PM

SMSgt Dave Swearingin — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:17:56 -0500

Something similar happen to me while deployed to the AOR. I had a SSgt and 2 SRA's talking and cutting up during guard mount while I was disseminating post assignments, pass-ons etc... I called all 3 to the front of the formation made them stand at attention while conducted the rest of guard mount. After I dismissed guard mount I chewed on all 3 for a minute. I went a step further with the young E5 /. SSgt. I took him outside and ripped him a new one. When we finished he understood that it would not be tolerated again, next time would be LOC or LOR. It never happened again from those individuals or anyone else for that matter, because I had set the tone and they all new my expectations.

Response by Sgt Mario Horton made Jan 24 at 2017 12:18 PM

Sgt Mario Horton — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:18:36 -0500

Sgt. Horton
I would have stopped formation pulled him or her into the office and chewed him or her out and charged them with disrespect to an NCO and disobeying a lawful order. And I would put them on every working party I could fine.

Response by Sgt Mario Horton made Jan 24 at 2017 12:21 PM

Sgt Mario Horton — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:21:34 -0500

Sgt. Horton
I would have chewed them out going and coming and put them on every working party I could fine. And put them on duty every weekend.

Response by SGT Sherrie Fanning made Jan 24 at 2017 12:50 PM

SGT Sherrie Fanning — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 12:50:36 -0500

What I'm thinking is you Guys have way to much time on your hands. This should not be a priority, it's rediculous to worry about these ego issues.I think as a Soldier you. Have more important things to do the worry about a PVT2 saying something menial to you.. Some of these soldiers or a big number of them are young kids.Im sure know one comes into the service being perfect.Trust me I'm a Vet and I didn't like these petty issues being brought to me.Grow up with your subordinates not against them...

Response by SFC Larry Vittetoe made Jan 24 at 2017 1:07 PM

SFC Larry Vittetoe — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:07:46 -0500

I would have been my foot in his rectum. Disrespect either way it's disrespect

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Jan 24 at 2017 1:31 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:31:03 -0500

This is sad and reflects on just how far the standards have dropped since I was in. Had they done this to me they would have been dropped on the spot so everyone could see that it would not be tolerated, a counseling statement would have been done and depending on the individual 2 more would have followed and they would be facing a Field grade and heading back on the block. I was leaving the Army just when liberals were allowing SM,s to have more rights and question authority as well as the Red /yellow cards they were allowed to "pass out" when they felt intimidated...TOTAL BS, you chose the military and you took an oath, its not a 9-5 job where you decide what you do and dont want to do. Things have gone down hill even more if this is the standard. It openly undermines the NCO's credibility as a leader and questions their integrity in front of everyone. Not good.

Response by SSgt David A. Williams made Jan 24 at 2017 1:48 PM

SSgt David A. Williams — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:48:33 -0500

In the Old Days, he would be taken behind the barracks for thump call. Can't do that now, so I would call him out of the formation, leaving the next senior rank in charge, and walk the shitbird E2 out of earshot and sight of anyone else and tell him that he best unf*** himself 'cause I am gonna be all over his ass like stink on s***. And if no one is looking, a shot to the chest/solar plexus to emphasize my point.

Response by PO3 Derrick Cripe made Jan 24 at 2017 1:49 PM

PO3 Derrick Cripe — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:49:25 -0500

I would inform the rest of the squad that e-2 such and such doesn't want to be part of the team . Have the squad come up with his punishment for you . Or have the rest of the squad do the work that e-2 such and such was supposed to do:)

Response by SGT Robert Southern made Jan 24 at 2017 1:53 PM

SGT Robert Southern — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:53:28 -0500

Garrison and Field are two separate arenas, agreed. But for an E-2 to flippantly talk back to an NCO in ANY formation is INSUBORDINATION, and needs to be dealt with firmly and in formation. I agree with the other comments about sending said private to talk with the TOP. Any good NCO who's made it to that level will square that troop away. Even if this was a garrison unit, and not a combat unit, good discipline is what makes for good soldiers and a good unit. Just like a other comments have stated, letting this one slip (or get by) shows lack of discipline on his part and lack of backbone in the NCO. Neither one would be respected after that.

Response by SSG James Dulaney made Jan 24 at 2017 1:56 PM

SSG James Dulaney — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:56:59 -0500

First they are not calmly dealing out assignments. This is a basic training or AIT picture as noted by the Drill Instructors head gear and a number of other factors. Secondly, it would not happen. A senior E5 which means the lowest Sergeant there is, will not get disrespected by an E2 after the first 10 minutes of basic training.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Weatherbee made Jan 24 at 2017 3:05 PM

1SG Jeffrey Weatherbee — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:05:26 -0500

For an E2 to disrespect and refuse an order from an NCO in formation needs to be dealt with right then. Don't bring him to Top, unless it is for UCMJ action. Assign the job to others for accomplishment of the mission, deal with the E2,between the E5 and his PSG and figure the proper punishment. Make sure the rest of the platoon knows that the E2 was punished so that they know it did not go unpunished. The E2 also owes the soldiers that accomplished his duty an apology.

Response by SSgt Gary Guinn made Jan 24 at 2017 3:34 PM

SSgt Gary Guinn — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:34:11 -0500

In my day, I would have written his ass up so fast his head would have spun off his head. Today, they probably have to have a mediation session or something. Buttercup.

Response by SFC Walt "Butch" Deal made Jan 24 at 2017 4:09 PM

SFC Walt "Butch" Deal — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:09:22 -0500

When I was a newly promoted SGT E-5 at a small base in Korea, I was given the task of organizing a work detail. I was also given 4 troops to do the work. One of them, a Sp4 and supposedly a friend of mine, refused to accept my orders and tried to use our former friendship to get out of the work. I explained to him, in front of the other troops that I was now a SGT and didn't appreciate his insubordination. He tried to laugh it off. He wan't laughing when he was standing in front of the Commander signing his Art 15. I was a young 22 year old with 3 1/2 years in the Army. I learned very quickly.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2017 4:20 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:20:01 -0500

Back in my day, NCO's used trash can diplomacy to maintain good order and discipline... usually only needed to do it once...

Response by CPO Thomas Robinson made Jan 24 at 2017 4:56 PM

CPO Thomas Robinson — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:56:38 -0500

You've been assigned a task .... no further discussion.....

Response by SSgt Clare May made Jan 24 at 2017 5:21 PM

SSgt Clare May — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 17:21:31 -0500

Too many second chances. Your in formation. Demand an explanation, i.e information gathering begins immediately. If there is nothing to hide... there is nothing to hide from. If the E2 requests privacy prior to disclosure in formation for refusing a direct order, dismiss all except senior staff (witnesses) and immediate supervisor. If there is a reasonable excuse or explanation, undertake appropriate actions to correct whatever the E2 brought to your attention. If the issue is unfounded and without merit, commence with reduction of pay, Article 15 and removal from service. If the issue is found to have merit, commencement action for the manner the E2 took, rather than bring the issue up in another appropriate setting. Loss of pay at a minimum over a short time, no more than a pay period, not less than $50.00.

If there are no reasonable explanations, dismiss all but senior staff (Witnesses), and immediate supervisor, commence action for removal from service under Article 15. There is a waiting line of volunteers to take an E-2's place without suffering a significant loss of that E-2's training.

Calling him or her out before all in formation shows that you can and will accept the responsibilities of being a supervisor and will seek out the truth of the matter asserted...in front of all. You never hide from a lower enlisted, especially in E1-E2 status... Discipline was learned in Basic... there are E-1 and E2's in basic training settings. This appears on the surface to be in a basic training or in a secondary education setting as presented...but like with most posts...the information provided is limited, only showing disrespect to the Senior Non Com's authority.

Either way, as presented, the E-2 is in deep shit if I were the Non Com... I never had that happen under the short circumstances presented, But knee jerking didn't happen with me either, and I never hid nor tried to be something I wasn't.

I was always straight up with my troops. I never lied to them, told then that is the way it is, didn't try to be a bad ass, sympathized when proper, told them I had their back if they were in the right, but was their worst enemy of they lied to me or were jerking my chain.

Response by SPC Robert Stewart made Jan 24 at 2017 5:41 PM

SPC Robert Stewart — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 17:41:31 -0500

in my day he would have been knocked on his ass

Response by SPC John Cowhig made Jan 24 at 2017 6:06 PM

SPC John Cowhig — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:06:25 -0500

Article 15 unless he apologizes and has a damn good explanation.

Response by SFC Ron Gitzendanner made Jan 24 at 2017 6:42 PM

SFC Ron Gitzendanner — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:42:47 -0500

The E5 should immediately prefer the maximum charges he is permitted. However, the Commander should immediately start procedures that would have the E2 discharged from the Army, preferably no better than a General Discharge. The Army can do without this kind of insubordination

Response by SGT Steve Golden made Jan 24 at 2017 7:08 PM

SGT Steve Golden — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 19:08:14 -0500

there is not enough information here to be useful. We need to know if there is any other issues prior to this particular scenario. The real answer is there are many ways for the NCO to react and show his leadership to the others present.

Response by PO2 Samuel Lewis made Jan 24 at 2017 7:10 PM

PO2 Samuel Lewis — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 19:10:41 -0500

I use the old fan room counseling bit. I was Navy and think the old school ways need to be brought back.

Response by SSgt John Gajdos made Jan 24 at 2017 8:08 PM

SSgt John Gajdos — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:08:58 -0500

Take him/her up the chain and get them the discharge they want.

Response by SSG Robert Matherly made Jan 24 at 2017 8:58 PM

SSG Robert Matherly — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:58:25 -0500

Well i would pull him off to the side away from everyone, and ask him what is malfunction was? There could be something serious bothering him. If you find he has nothing bothering him then it punishment time! If there is something bothering him, lets see if we can help. He must know that no matter what his insubordination will not be tolerated!

Response by SGT Robert Anthony made Jan 24 at 2017 9:18 PM

SGT Robert Anthony — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:18:25 -0500

Failure to obey a direct command bring him up on charges

Response by LCpl Jon Covey made Jan 24 at 2017 10:59 PM

LCpl Jon Covey — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:59:09 -0500

Hit the deck.

Response by SFC Ed Lewis made Jan 24 at 2017 11:23 PM

SFC Ed Lewis — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:23:22 -0500

He & his immediate supervisor would stay, as I send the rest their assignments. Then I'd ORDER Him to obey my Lawful Order.
The ARMY/MARINES are NOT a Democracy.
You signed up for it, Idiot!!
Do we have to provide "Safe Havens" for them in Combat??

Response by MSgt John Millaway made Jan 25 at 2017 12:25 AM

MSgt John Millaway — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:25:04 -0500

Walk the troop away from his peers, but keep him in view. Allow the kid to explain his actions to you out of earshot of the others. If, like a few of the others have suggested, and there is an emotional reason show compassion for the troop and offer the correct assistance. If the kid is just being a "Millennial", smoke his ass in view of his peers!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2017 12:35 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:35:16 -0500

I had a similar situation happen to me when I was a Drill Sergeant. First thing is do not allow your Soldiers to loose it over this as this is what the PVT wants you to do. Next is it must be handled immediately and I recommend telling the PVT's Team Leader and him stand fast while everyone else falls out. Once it is only the PVT, his Team Leader and you explain to the PVT in very clear forceful (try not to yell) language what his options are
1. Execute the orders given to him in a timely manner to standard.
Or
2. Explain you will write a counseling statement recommending him for disrespect to a Non-Commissioned Officer, failure to follow an order and even insubordination.
If the PVT chooses 1 then do some research find out what the problem is and have a talk with him about how lucky he is and he won't be lucky a second time. If he chooses 2 then go to your Playoon Sergeant find out his recommendation (for me it would be UCMJ) and then execute the counseling and corrective training.

Response by SGT Robert Bangi made Jan 25 at 2017 12:38 AM

SGT Robert Bangi — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:38:39 -0500

Bad in the days..... never mind

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2017 5:18 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 05:18:03 -0500

"Scold in Private, Praise in public" have said individual stand fast, continue on with daily formation responsibilities, dismiss formation. Pull E-2 aside along with another ranked Petty Officer. Inform Sailor that the third party is there to observe verbal counseling session. Begin to dig into the issue at hand and find out if an underlying factor (family issues, career issues,etc) is present. If no issue prepare three separate counseling chits. Disobeying lawful order, disrespect to Petty Officer, dereliction of duties and forward said sailor to DRB so the anchors can sort the issue or send said Sailor up the chain. A lot of people on here are completely blowing the fact that today if you raise your voice to some of the Sailors, or Marines, or whoever you are speaking to its an EO complaint and a career killer. Ink is heavier than verbal words on paper.

Response by CSM Jim Hardin made Jan 25 at 2017 7:24 AM

CSM Jim Hardin — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:24:07 -0500

You can't do what I would DO ANY MORE>>>>>>>>>>>>

Response by CPT Sean Graham made Jan 25 at 2017 8:16 AM

CPT Sean Graham — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 08:16:39 -0500

The response must be swift and clear. While I agree with some comments about counselling in private, if you do not make your position and intolerance for the behavior public, you will erode the respect from his peers.

So... time to make the young soldier an example. Clearly and publicly instruct the SM that this discussion will continue after formation in the 1SG's office. Instruct him to break formation and wait for you there. Do not pass go, and if asked why you are there, no details are to be discussed with TOP until you are present. Inform them that they should only incline that they are there to discuss an issue of insubordination only... any additional discussion before you are present will constitute further insubordination.

This MUST be done in earshot of his peers. You CANNOT allow the perceptin that this is acceptable.

Then procede with the real conversation in the 1SG's office.

Response by SGT Rolando R. made Jan 25 at 2017 12:39 PM

SGT Rolando R. — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 12:39:18 -0500

I agree...Everyone needs to know he just cross the line. Never tolerate insubordination !

Response by 1SG Charles Lyons made Jan 25 at 2017 3:43 PM

1SG Charles Lyons — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 15:43:44 -0500

The word "they" ... meaning more than one, should be concerning!

Response by SP5 William Sampson made Jan 25 at 2017 6:18 PM

SP5 William Sampson — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:18:49 -0500

Front leaning rest position along with the whole platoon till blood runs from there ears.

Response by CMSgt Dennis Heath made Jan 25 at 2017 11:07 PM

CMSgt Dennis Heath — Wed, 25 Jan 2017 23:07:38 -0500

I actually had a young man pull this on me, but not while in formation. I was an E5 shift supervisor on a mountaintop site in Italy. The trouble stemmed from the fact this young many was a 4-year college graduate, and he believed the additional duty assignment was beneath him. I remembered all my NCO training about rewarding publicly and punishing privately. I prepared a letter of admonishment, had him report to the workcenter office, and presented his "gift" along with a pretty strong tongue lashing. He never questioned me again.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2017 9:54 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:54:17 -0500

Ooooo Lord!!! Request UCMJ action, Take his precious time n enjoy watching him on shit details

Response by CN John Parr made Jan 26 at 2017 10:16 AM

CN John Parr — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 10:16:21 -0500

Bust him back to E-1

Response by CPT Jeff Reichardt made Jan 26 at 2017 12:21 PM

CPT Jeff Reichardt — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:21:33 -0500

This is actually pretty simple question. This person requires physical discipline. In the form of additional PT. Should that fail, six their options are extra duty, or reduction in rank, and forfeiture of pay, in other words an article 15.

Response by SGT Drew Clark made Jan 26 at 2017 12:31 PM

SGT Drew Clark — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:31:35 -0500

Push the earth, until Bragg starts to Move, Front Leaning Rest Position, Move!

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2017 3:48 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:48:26 -0500

Immediately inform him of his insubordination and remind him that this is not a choice. This is an order. CM on assignments and have soldier stand fast after dismissing the rest of the work detail. Remedial PT until supervisor is tired. E-2 mouthing off to an E-5 is unacceptable. There are ways to respectfully disagree without attempting to undermine someone in a place of authority. Mouthing off in formation is not it.

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Jan 26 at 2017 4:09 PM

SSgt Liam Babington — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:09:22 -0500

Counseling session.... preferably in the tree line

Response by MSG Rex Hastey made Jan 26 at 2017 7:04 PM

MSG Rex Hastey — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 19:04:44 -0500

Wall to Wall counciling.

Response by PO2 Lee Muter made Jan 26 at 2017 8:30 PM

PO2 Lee Muter — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:30:45 -0500

In the Petty Officer Leadership course I was required to take as a new PO3; I was taught to counsel and discipline away from the others. I would have the individual stand fast until after quarters and then explain the error of their ways. Always ensure supervision is aware of your actions and if need be "EMI" would be applied. If the situation is chronic, write them up and restriction would be applied.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2017 10:37 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:37:52 -0500

The only response to a senior NCO is yes sgt, aye sgt, check sgt, or any response in the affirmative. Nothing else will do.

Response by Rodney Methot made Jan 27 at 2017 12:12 AM

Rodney Methot — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:12:34 -0500

Disobeying a lawful order in the military you could lose your rank or some money. Do that in the outside world you will be out of a job. So smarten up.

Response by Terry Breeden made Jan 27 at 2017 2:29 AM

Terry Breeden — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:29:47 -0500

You tell this piece of shit scumbag to get on his knees and give me twenty! And when your done do your objective I ordered!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2017 2:37 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:37:46 -0500

Looks like meats back on the menu boys!

Response by TSgt Paul Whynot made Jan 27 at 2017 3:29 AM

TSgt Paul Whynot — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 03:29:43 -0500

Rip their ass and remind them what their roll is... then punch em in the sturnum

Response by SSgt Scott Bourque made Jan 27 at 2017 7:10 AM

SSgt Scott Bourque — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 07:10:06 -0500

wall to wall counceling ...you tracking

Response by CW4 Thomas Shefflette made Jan 27 at 2017 9:55 AM

CW4 Thomas Shefflette — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 09:55:01 -0500

This one can be tricky. Having been a Drill Instructor, you punish the masses on the spot and let the peer pressure begin. In basic training you are trying to break down the individual and begin the team building. Outside of basic training, that is when you start the individual counseling with the team or squad leader. If those don't work and the attitude continues, then move on to UCMJ.

Response by SFC Niles Heggie made Jan 27 at 2017 10:50 AM

SFC Niles Heggie — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:50:13 -0500

I agree with this article. The Corps with its standing mission could be rolled into the Army ranks similarly as the other specialized Commands.
Just as the Commands of Special Forces and Delta Force have been established within the United States Army, so could the Marine Corps.
Joint Service operations aboard Ship would not change. The Army would be the true Master of World. By Air, Land, and Sea.

Response by PO2 Shaun Harris made Jan 27 at 2017 4:23 PM

PO2 Shaun Harris — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:23:49 -0500

Reeeaaady...KILL!

Response by CAPT David Cote made Jan 27 at 2017 4:30 PM

CAPT David Cote — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:30:05 -0500

His insubordination was not private. His attitude adjustment therapy shouldn't be either.

Response by TSgt Ralf Berger made Jan 27 at 2017 6:24 PM

TSgt Ralf Berger — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:24:33 -0500

Before or after I kick their asses ?

Response by SN Tony Philpott made Jan 27 at 2017 6:48 PM

SN Tony Philpott — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 18:48:50 -0500

Shut the fuck up and do your job!!

Response by SSG Jason Harig made Jan 27 at 2017 7:08 PM

SSG Jason Harig — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 19:08:03 -0500

In combat everyone is stressed to the max. I do not care what this lower enlisted guy has going on in his personal life. There is no excuse for talking back. You do what you are told when you are told. This saves lives. Behavior like this needs to be curbed immediately. The MILITARY is in the business of war. If you can't hack it you don't belong. The military is getting far away from a combat ready force when their trigger pullers are too sensitive to follow orders. This is not a nice business. Killing people and keeping your troops alive is hard mentally and physically. You need to weed out the ones that are too weak to deal with the rigors of combat. Fix this joker or chapter him.

Response by PFC Calvin Greathouse made Jan 27 at 2017 7:58 PM

PFC Calvin Greathouse — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 19:58:06 -0500

Make everyone do pushups till ur exasted

Response by Cpl Chris Woodford made Jan 27 at 2017 7:59 PM

Cpl Chris Woodford — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 19:59:51 -0500

Throat punch

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2017 11:03 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:03:48 -0500

EMI and candid advice on the side.

Response by Cpl Todd Evans made Jan 27 at 2017 11:19 PM

Cpl Todd Evans — Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:19:15 -0500

You make the whole team pay for his lack of
respect and it will get worked out quick.

Response by Cpl Rob Rader made Jan 28 at 2017 1:43 AM

Cpl Rob Rader — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 01:43:05 -0500

Visit from the midnight monster with a Blanket party.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2017 3:53 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 03:53:35 -0500

In my Days I would have just smoked him like a cheap cigar... No questions asked

Response by CPT Michael Lishchynsky made Jan 28 at 2017 8:14 AM

CPT Michael Lishchynsky — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 08:14:23 -0500

Back when I joined, it was called "wall to wall counseling". Another popular move was to punish everyone for sins of a few. Eventually, the sins of the few were taken care of.

Response by 1SG Danny Padgett made Jan 28 at 2017 8:45 AM

1SG Danny Padgett — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 08:45:49 -0500

Go buy him some ice cream, tell him to go lay on his bunk and take the day off cupcake! One tried that with me as a Drill Sergeant. Guaranteed he regretted it. I gave him more responsibility as, now you are the Squad Leader. Believe me, his platoon buddies got him very squared away.

Response by PV2 Derek Lewis made Jan 28 at 2017 10:26 AM

PV2 Derek Lewis — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 10:26:51 -0500

Smoke the he'll out of him. It don't matter what you have going on insubordination is should never be tolerated. When you join any branch of the military you put yourself to ahigher standard than anyone else. It don't matter what's going on you have to keep your head straight. If there is a problem that needs to be addressed pull your nco aside after formation and take care of it. In the military you are professional and insubordination is not.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2017 11:01 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 11:01:04 -0500

Smoke him!!!

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2017 11:05 AM

1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 11:05:26 -0500

Well, after I walk away to calm down... He will be in the front leaning position till I'm done with the formation. And then we will talk it out on what's the issue. In my 17 1/2 yrs. Iv found there's something else going on with the troop, if he's acting out. And then go from there, all the way to a AR 15 if that's the case.

Response by SFC John Clark made Jan 28 at 2017 11:12 AM

SFC John Clark — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 11:12:38 -0500

Well, back in the day. I would obliterate him verbally then he gets to push dirt until I'm tired

Response by Manuel Vazquez made Jan 28 at 2017 11:41 AM

Manuel Vazquez — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 11:41:17 -0500

Remedial pt, till he cried like a bitch.

Response by CPL Richard Mirandi made Jan 28 at 2017 12:12 PM

CPL Richard Mirandi — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 12:12:28 -0500

Dishonorable Discharge. Now go tell it to your civilian boss.

Response by TSgt Edward Krull made Jan 28 at 2017 2:09 PM

TSgt Edward Krull — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 14:09:25 -0500

Give everyone extra PT at that moment, council the troop in public. Tell the troops that theyare a team, the weakest link hurts the team, let the troops handle the problem temporarily. If no improvement, kick out.

Response by SFC Craig Canzoneri made Jan 28 at 2017 2:58 PM

SFC Craig Canzoneri — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 14:58:24 -0500

As a 24 year retired NO my y response is more calculated. When I was an E8 during my time in the 82nd Airborne, my soldiers would have seriously changed his attitude fast. Me? Throat punch. Now, give him a stress card and send him to Dr. Snowflake for evaluation. Lol.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2017 3:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 15:45:53 -0500

If this is in basic, reinforce teamwork and smoke the group. After a few times of that, everyone will get tired of getting smoked for one shitbag and the problem will solve itself. If this is at the unit, I'd pull his chain into the office and inform them that it had better not happen again or his shit is in the wind.

Response by PO2 Gerald Smiley made Jan 28 at 2017 4:44 PM

PO2 Gerald Smiley — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 16:44:30 -0500

When I was a E-5 I had a E3 that refuse to do what he was suppose to do I followed the instuction on how to handle it & went by the book Couple days Later I come back to work I am on report & a capt mast the kid call his parents & they got a hold of someone & the Navy at capt Mast the capt told me that I was 100% right but due to the people that was on his back he had to do something I got a subpending bust for six months

Response by SGT Chris Stone made Jan 28 at 2017 5:45 PM

SGT Chris Stone — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 17:45:12 -0500

I'm going to punish his body with py

Response by PO2 Michael Wehlus made Jan 28 at 2017 5:53 PM

PO2 Michael Wehlus — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 17:53:02 -0500

Back between 66-70 I would guantee that he do the job in front of the 1st Div at quarters
If he complied fine if he continued being disrespectful we sent that person Mess cooking
Seemed to work all the time

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2017 6:07 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 18:07:09 -0500

Out comes the knife hand while I explain assertively that they will in fact perform the task.
If that is ineffective, I will have a new E-1 in my squad.

Response by SPC Daniel Burke made Jan 28 at 2017 7:02 PM

SPC Daniel Burke — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 19:02:43 -0500

You do as ordered..like yesterday. You make an example out of Pvt. Shit bird. Make damn sure everyone knows you're in charge and won't have your orders disobeyed

Response by Cpl Shawn Dugan made Jan 28 at 2017 7:05 PM

Cpl Shawn Dugan — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 19:05:24 -0500

E2 has a major malfunction if he was my marine he would drop give me 50 then his squad leader would be informed to get his man squared away and to teach his man how to tactfully bring up his problems,sergeant should also brush up on his leadership skills pass them on to his nco's !

Response by SPC Les Darbison made Jan 28 at 2017 8:27 PM

SPC Les Darbison — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 20:27:51 -0500

I Don t know what you can do now days the hole platoon would get a little extra work out. And know to never question a lawfully order again. Pretty sure that would handle it.. if it didn't there's more extra work!!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2017 8:51 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 20:51:16 -0500

If a Soldier less than 6 months removed from indoctrination speaks openly like this? Jeez...

Response by Sgt Josh Smith made Jan 28 at 2017 9:06 PM

Sgt Josh Smith — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 21:06:06 -0500

Verbal tirade. Disobey an order? Disrespect an NCO? Undermine command authority? In the presence of the unit? In full view of the entire unit? The entire combat unit? Yeah. Go R. Lee Ermey on his ass. No physical contact, but unload with every torturous 18inch gun in your verbal battery all at once, everything, direct questioning with only yes/no sergeant direct answers, tie the kid up in a nice little sarcastic military logic knot. If he hangs, if he goes through it, in the presence of the unit he just challenged you in front of, if he cooperates, his body language will let you know precisely when you can take your foot off the gas. Then you ease up and go back to pretending he didn't do it, fire-and-forget, no counseling, no paperwork, no one up the chain needs to know anything because it was dealt with instantly, on the spot, and rectified. If, however, his body language indicates anything else other than instant obedience to orders and a desire to train and tend toward a high degree of unit integrity, then you verbally destroy him, then ostracize him. No normalcy, no cliques are to accept him, extra menial duties, extra firewatches, the entire unit should shun him until he cools off and asks the only logical question that should permeate his untrained brain housing group: why me? And the entire unit should be prepared, whether in agreement about this particular approach or not, to back this NCO up by saying "Because you disrespected the Sergeant, you fool." Shortly after the young lad hears these words, the unit should receive some subtle signal to ease the social pressure being brought to bear, and this sergeant would make a deliberate effort to have another series of tasks to hand out, and guess who gets an assignment? Professionally, no hard feelings, and the thing you don't tell him is we've been through this, this is your only second chance. It's here are your duties, any questions? Still no paper. Still no involvement of any commissioned- or warrant-type folks. Just an NCO training America's finest. If the kid doesn't get it, then he's untrainable, paper him for every mistake, flush him to the police shed and waste no school boat spaces and no more taxpayer training dollars on him at any time until he EASs and he goes on individual duty.

Response by Sgt Clint Scordellis made Jan 28 at 2017 9:40 PM

Sgt Clint Scordellis — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 21:40:02 -0500

E2 just won everybody's work for the day!

Response by SFC George Sease made Jan 28 at 2017 9:47 PM

SFC George Sease — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 21:47:55 -0500

Make sure that they will regret their shotgun mouth overloading their BB ass. Counseling Statements, extra duty, peer pressure, and some extra PT lead by myself.

Response by SGT Bryce Bivens made Jan 28 at 2017 10:25 PM

SGT Bryce Bivens — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 22:25:09 -0500

can ya smell the smoke a coming................he would be so tired at the end of the day....possibly the next day too
get over the kinder gentler army crap....................i sure as hell hope mad dog corrects this shit ...pc is BS and troops doing that i would be lucky not to lose rank over that one

Response by PO3 Vernon Love made Jan 28 at 2017 10:33 PM

PO3 Vernon Love — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 22:33:39 -0500

You shut him down first so others do not think they can do the same thing. Then take him or her to private quarters to fi d out what the problem is before punishment is handed out. Anything could have happened. The E-2 should have shown more respect for the E-5 and the situation at hand. That was the wrong way to go about it. I went 3 month in the Navy without a paycheck because of a problem with our disbursing office on the carrier I was on. I told my Senior Chief in private that I quit, until I had a chance to talk to our Captain, and that was after I went through my chain of command with no results. I ended up in Captains Mast for insubordination. Once the commanding officer found out what had happened, heads started to roll. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. As long as respect is used, and the chain of command is utilized, then you can get things done. But always be respectful.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2017 11:22 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 28 Jan 2017 23:22:19 -0500

Karate chop to the throat! GS....

Response by CPO Jerry Lawrence made Jan 29 at 2017 9:45 AM

CPO Jerry Lawrence — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 09:45:13 -0500

Before responding, I have read through many of the responses and agree with most of them. Through my years I have often been handed the shit-bags and several of those same shit-bags crossed over to the dark side (became O's) or promoted to brother chiefs. Being a leader means being creative with enforcing our orders and grabbing "Johnny's" attention that will make him/her understand that "if you're gonna be dumb; you've gotta be strong." Something like this would possibly mean constant supervision by myself, the the squad leader, and the team leader working in shifts while Johnny/Jane stands at attention on the footsteps under the flagpole (just an example) until the three of us get tired....that could take a long time, because we would simply be ensuring that we give a few sips of water every hour or so because we don't want Little Johnny/Jane to dehydrate while I am propped up against a tree. Every situation is different, leadership works both ways; know your troops and make damn sure they know you and your (and the service in-which you serve) expectations. You are the leader and it is your job to develop that shit-bag into a future leader. If you don't take the time to develop and guide future leaders in your shadow someone with a smaller shadow, lesser principles and skills will. Remember we can not throw them all out. God knows that I had great chiefs and petty-officers who saw something in me and took the time to put me on the right path. 10% of our troops take 90% of our time, while 90% of our troops only takes 10%.

Response by SGT Brian Laverty made Jan 29 at 2017 11:10 AM

SGT Brian Laverty — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 11:10:58 -0500

Wall to wall counseling

Response by Cpl Robert Robinson made Jan 29 at 2017 11:20 AM

Cpl Robert Robinson — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 11:20:11 -0500

What... Are you out your mind. Do it private... Thats what I would say...

Response by Cpl Randall Ball made Jan 29 at 2017 12:13 PM

Cpl Randall Ball — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 12:13:00 -0500

Pick a spot 1 foot behind said shit stain. Destroy everything between you and said spot.

Response by SCPO Randy Breidel made Jan 29 at 2017 12:30 PM

SCPO Randy Breidel — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 12:30:49 -0500

It's obvious that the E2 maybe soon to be an E1 has some underlying issues, possibly personal that triggered his response without thinking death of a parent, loss of a close friend, etc. or the E2 has started hanging out with the wrong crowd. Immediate action is to have his section leader and him removed from formation and waiting outside your office or desk depending on unit space. Inquire the rest of the formation if they are aware of anything happening recently to the E2, if they do not wish to share they can tell you after formation. Get the facts but unless it is over whelming issue as above UCMJ punishment should be pursued it may stop at a Disciplinary Review Board depending on your Service. The E-2 would also be giving an apology to the formation for breaking down the chain of command and why to important to follow orders even when we may not like them. Also he will not take away from the sections unit cohesiveness again

Response by SGT Tim. Wilson made Jan 29 at 2017 12:41 PM

SGT Tim. Wilson — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 12:41:35 -0500

Well during my time I would leave him standing until I releast the rest of the platoon to go do their assigned jobs. Then I would make the private start doing pushups while I went in the off and talked to my other NCOs. Then we would probably have a trash can drill on this young private to help him straighten up his attitude. Or I would march his whiny little ass into the First Sergeants office and being him up on a couple different charges that I can think of off top of my head and request that he be put in solidary confinement until his, at minimum, Art 15 hearing.
Now a days who knows what they would do or be allowed to do. I think they are starting to develop wimps not soldiers. A lot of the guys I've seen coning out of training, hell even some coming out of Marine boot camp are going to crap their pants the first time they are put in a real life fire fight with NO tine out cards!

Response by CPL Jarrett Meaux made Jan 29 at 2017 1:56 PM

CPL Jarrett Meaux — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:56:02 -0500

Any of you who say giving that troop an art15 with less than a year in, especially if this was a first offense kind of thing, are wrong. I so wish the military was like it used to be, give this pvt a significant emotional experience in the motor pool, or where ever. I promise he will learn from that and steer clear from doing it agai, all the while saving tons of fucking bull shit paper work, and not putting a black spot on this kids career for a moment of stupidity.

Response by MSG Don Burt made Jan 29 at 2017 2:39 PM

MSG Don Burt — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:39:41 -0500

I’d walk up to him, then kick him in the groin...no, not that, I’d take out
my service weapon and shoot’em...no, not that either...I’d walk up to
him, put my arm around him and commence telling him that he really
misunderstood what I thought I said and tell him in a very cordial manner
how mistaken I was in suggesting that he would even be considered to do
manual labor being such a nice boy and walk him back into the barracks
and tell him to take the rest of the day off and not to strain himself.
Well you believe that and I’ve got some ocean front property in Az. I’d
like to sell you...ha! In reality, I’d continue with proper duty assignments,
dismiss the platoon except for HIM and once the platoon formation was cleared,
I’d have a heart to heart talk with HIM out behind the barracks. I for one am not
really PC oriented.

Response by SA Daniel Weir made Jan 29 at 2017 4:26 PM

SA Daniel Weir — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:26:48 -0500

B C D

Response by LCpl Daniel R. Casey made Jan 29 at 2017 5:16 PM

LCpl Daniel R. Casey — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:16:43 -0500

Stupid is what stupid does.

Response by SSgt Jeffrey Andrews made Jan 29 at 2017 5:52 PM

SSgt Jeffrey Andrews — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:52:11 -0500

It's a different world in a different Corps. As an E-4 Corporal I had an E-3 LCPL disobey a lawful order and back talk me with biligerence. I grabbed him by the throat and pushed him against the wall until I had his undivided attention. I was saved an office hours because he was stupid enough to to tell the First Sergeant that he indeed was biligerent to me. He received a right up and restriction to barracks instead of me losing my stripe.

Response by SPC Mark Frazar made Jan 29 at 2017 6:34 PM

SPC Mark Frazar — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:34:05 -0500

I would write the E-2 up and recommend him or her for a Article 15 under the UCMJ.

Response by SFC Ben Davis made Jan 29 at 2017 6:42 PM

SFC Ben Davis — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:42:34 -0500

Fall the rest of unit out, E2 standfast, report to my office or quarters. I'd explain my leadership type briefly, throat punch after he got his breath back I'd inform him he will have that detail and all dirty, all physical details assigned to platooon till I'm tired. Any questions will be taken up in front of 1Sgt or Battalion CSMG.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2017 8:23 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 20:23:03 -0500

It would be handled in a short and to the point session of wall to wall counseling. There is no place for such insubordination in the military. It is not a "job" you need to follow the orders of those above you.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2017 9:34 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 21:34:25 -0500

I have never seen anyone actually killed with a knife hand, but I believe this would be the proper occasion.

In all seriousness, this issue is not about the E5 and the E2, it's about the E5 and respect from the entire unit. Blatant disrespect in public must be dealt with publicly. Your soldiers must see that you will not tolerate one second of disrespect. The method you use to communicate that to your soldiers is up to you. If it happens privately, there's other ways to deal with it - paperwork probably being most effective.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2017 10:56 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 22:56:47 -0500

Platoon, Attention. Half - right face. Front leaning rest position, move. In cadence, exercise...until the platoon can't do any more (muscle failure). Then, butterfly kicks until they can't do any more. Bring the platoon to Attention and give the assignment again. Repeat as needed.

Response by SSG John Miller made Jan 29 at 2017 11:28 PM

SSG John Miller — Sun, 29 Jan 2017 23:28:15 -0500

I am afraid I am from the old Army and would have physically put his ignorant as on the ground made him get in the front leaning rest position and dogged the shit out of him after I was done with the rest of the formation. Yes back to basic for him at the post confinement facility, what did we used to call that place, leaving him there for at least two weeks. Yes the Army used to have a place e to take care of the dirt bags any years ago......

Response by CW4 Donald O'Connor made Jan 30 at 2017 12:00 AM

CW4 Donald O'Connor — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 00:00:31 -0500

On the spot correction is mandatory if you are going to maintain good discipline. If this individual is a problem child then its time for him to seek employment elsewhere. Lives may have to depend on this individual doing his job.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2017 6:06 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:06:53 -0500

Tell E2 and his first line supe to stand fast after formation. Allow him to speak his mind, and then discipline accordingly.

Response by SGT John Habeger made Jan 30 at 2017 12:21 PM

SGT John Habeger — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:21:57 -0500

Wall to wall counseling.

Response by SPC Antonio Massaro made Jan 30 at 2017 1:10 PM

SPC Antonio Massaro — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:10:11 -0500

Granted I am only up to Spc-4. However, if given a chance, I will make him stand fast after formation and explain himself. Smoking him outright will make it worse. However, if he is still insubordinate towards you, you gave him a chance and he blew it, then you can smoke the living hell out of him until he learns to respect. At the end of the day, at least you can say you gave him a chance to explain on why he's being insubordinate towards you.

Being in a unit (or formation) is like a well-oiled machine. Everyone has to do their part. If there is a problem, then that problem needs to be investigated so a possible solution can be made (within regulation). I've been told to disseminate to my subordinates (yes, I had a few privates that my SGT gave me to look after) any info/tasks needed to be done by the chain of command that I never had a problem in doing so. Leadership is all about keeping your cool, but being firm.

Response by Cpl Bryan Ruhr made Jan 30 at 2017 1:18 PM

Cpl Bryan Ruhr — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:18:52 -0500

I assume in modern times, it's probably no longer ok to punish everyone and ask the platoon to "help" him obey orders.
(By the way, what are those yellow straps they are wearing in the picture?)

Response by CW4 Cwo James Meinert made Jan 30 at 2017 1:38 PM

CW4 Cwo James Meinert — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:38:36 -0500

Tell he to report to 1st Sgt for Article 15.

Response by SGT Scott Hutten made Jan 30 at 2017 2:12 PM

SGT Scott Hutten — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:12:53 -0500

Lock him up, put him at ease...initiate immediate Counseling Statement for his file at very least. Depending on the severity of his tone...submit request for Article 15 recommending reduction to E1, to include a fully written explanation to the Chain Of Command.

Response by Sgt Joseph Hennequin Jr made Jan 30 at 2017 3:38 PM

Sgt Joseph Hennequin Jr — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:38:27 -0500

I would probably tell him to report to the First Sgt. and tell him that. Has Ha

Response by SSgt Bill Harris made Jan 30 at 2017 3:57 PM

SSgt Bill Harris — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:57:23 -0500

I actually had a situation similar to this happen. I had assigned a group of students to clean up our radar huts. I went and checked their work and it was substandard. I then went to the class room gathered the students up and we headed for the radar huts so that I could supervise them. A LCPL decided to tell the others how those God D@#m SSGT's think they own the Blank Blanking world. He did so in my hearing. Once he peeled himself off the wall we continued to the radar huts where they spent the rest of teh day cleaning, and cleaning and cleaning.

Response by SGT Robert Farrell made Jan 30 at 2017 6:09 PM

SGT Robert Farrell — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:09:05 -0500

not much you can do in todays military. in the old days i would kick his ass to send a message to the other troops! i am in charge and you maggots are gonna do what i tell you to do when i tell you do it it-or else!!

Response by SSG Bryan McDougal made Jan 30 at 2017 6:14 PM

SSG Bryan McDougal — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:14:42 -0500

Squash him like a bug and PT till he pukes. Questioning with discretion is one thing, in formation. Very wrong answer.

Response by SGT Dale Fencl made Jan 30 at 2017 6:43 PM

SGT Dale Fencl — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:43:31 -0500

depends on what and how he smart mouth to the E-5 when I was in the service the E-5 would not finder punch a E-1 in the thourt because the E-5 would have been dead by the death touch and fingers and arm broken

Response by SSgt Karena Downing made Jan 30 at 2017 7:29 PM

SSgt Karena Downing — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:29:20 -0500

Wall to wall counseling! Severely!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2017 8:16 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:16:39 -0500

as an E2 myself i have to agree i and other E2s have no right to challenge or complain about the authority of any nco especially if it is a moral command but even if the nco is being unfair it still is absolutely no merit for any disrespect of any kind. bitch about it on your own time hooah.

Response by MAJ Jeffery Miller made Jan 30 at 2017 9:42 PM

MAJ Jeffery Miller — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 21:42:46 -0500

As commander I would have his entire chain of command in my office to witness the article 15 proceedings.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2017 10:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:20:18 -0500

Platoon, prone line resposition - MOVE!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2017 8:02 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:02:36 -0500

Last time I had a boot private smart off to me, he met my friend Iron Mike as he was doing them for about a mile with his riffle held high over his head.

Response by LCpl Scotty Rush made Jan 31 at 2017 9:44 AM

LCpl Scotty Rush — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:44:31 -0500

This is the action of a two year old. Temper tantrums! That's what children do not the leader of the country

Response by Sgt Jerrid Wright made Jan 31 at 2017 11:05 AM

Sgt Jerrid Wright — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:05:39 -0500

As a Marine infantry sergeant it is your job to build an unbreakable bond of trust and respect among your troops. I personally wouldn't have to take any action because I would more corporals and lance corporals on that motherfucker before it even registered with me what happened!

Response by SPC Steve Willis, PhD made Jan 31 at 2017 3:10 PM

SPC Steve Willis, PhD — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:10:26 -0500

Back in the day, such bozos would be taken out behind the bushes and given an "attitude adjustment." Usually, an ass-kicking would settle things once and for all, as well as serving as an object lesson for the rest of the unit. But that is probably too old school for the modern military.

Response by LtCol J W made Jan 31 at 2017 5:37 PM

LtCol J W — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 17:37:57 -0500

Chance of that happening to me were slim to none. I seriously doubt it would happen today in the Marine Corps. or if it did, it would only be once for the shitbird

Response by PO1 Al Arbelo made Feb 1 at 2017 8:37 AM

PO1 Al Arbelo — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 08:37:15 -0500

A little extra military instruction could square this individual away because the truth is if he is willing to do that while in ranks then he would be willing to do that in public. Needless to say, being an in Bassett or for the military wow in the eye of the public the military needs to make sure this doesn't take place That being said either he squared some stuff away on must be administratively discharged

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 12:18 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:18:31 -0500

Make him an E1.
Seriously though, I would let the 1SGT deal with it, away from others. I'm sure he'd straighten him out. Wait... are we talking combat arms unit or everything else?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 2:01 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 14:01:41 -0500

He would become the strongest E-2 after he gets done boring me watch him do push ups. Cant do such things anymore. Might get in to trouble. LOL

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 4:49 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 16:49:37 -0500

half right face front leaning rest position move!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 5:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:51:21 -0500

What is a senior E5???

Response by Sgt Lavonta Hamilton made Feb 1 at 2017 7:50 PM

Sgt Lavonta Hamilton — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 19:50:13 -0500

I would politely correct him.........pause
No I would tear him a new one...along with my fellow Sgt's.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 8:30 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:30:36 -0500

If you want to continue serving then you will follow all lawful orders given to you by your leadership. If you do not want to wear a uniform anymore then that fine too. I will happily begin the separation papers, and until it's been pushed up and completed you will follow all lawful orders given to you by your leadership.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 8:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:51:09 -0500

DA4856 disrespect to an NCO

Response by SP5 Ian Kenner made Feb 1 at 2017 9:30 PM

SP5 Ian Kenner — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:30:03 -0500

Do "positive reinforcement" training, such as doing the work with him.

Response by LCpl P Guemez made Feb 1 at 2017 10:14 PM

LCpl P Guemez — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:14:11 -0500

GDamn I don't know I've never seen it happen in real life!!!! Refusal? ...only time some bag nasty ever refused anything was in Boot camp...her ass was lit up ...bags packed and sent home

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 10:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:29:52 -0500

Smoke the shit out of that private right there in formation and extra duty after they complete that work assignment

Response by SSG Bill Serey made Feb 1 at 2017 11:59 PM

SSG Bill Serey — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 23:59:16 -0500

Situation would not happen.... Period. Training and respect is what it is.. Orders adhered to or UCMJ correction.

Response by Cpl John Gregs made Feb 2 at 2017 1:02 AM

Cpl John Gregs — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 01:02:39 -0500

DDT

Response by Cpl Dennis Burke made Feb 2 at 2017 7:58 AM

Cpl Dennis Burke — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 07:58:01 -0500

Write him up

Response by CCMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 9:57 AM

CCMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 09:57:22 -0500

PT & more PT.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 10:05 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 10:05:37 -0500

Tell them to stand by after formation, counseling, then I personally always like taking someone's libo time away if they can't do what they are supposed to at work. You waste my time I'll waste yours

Response by CMDCM Paul Madore made Feb 2 at 2017 10:17 AM

CMDCM Paul Madore — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 10:17:13 -0500

In a high stress nonroutine environment I would assign the order to another qualified individual. In a low stress routine environment I would inquire from the individual why they felt the order was immoral, illegal or unethical. Upon their response I would inform them that the order is in fact morally, legally and ethically enforceable. If the individual still did not carry out the order I would inform them that uniform code of military justice proceedings for an article 15 hearing would be required. I would then make my report to the chain of command.

Response by SP5 Clinton Perry made Feb 2 at 2017 11:35 AM

SP5 Clinton Perry — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:35:28 -0500

Bring the smoke. No soldier has the right to defy a direct order. If you were on the battle field a life could and will be lost. We train to be ready at all times. This not a job it is a duty.

Response by Cynthia Murdock made Feb 2 at 2017 11:38 AM

Cynthia Murdock — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:38:07 -0500

I would reorient him harshly to whom is superior and give him Xtra PT so he can meditate on authority!

Response by Dave Sites made Feb 2 at 2017 11:38 AM

Dave Sites — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:38:16 -0500

I simply think that if your in training then everything you do goes toward a mindset of what ifs, just follow here for a second. HE SHOULD BE GLAD HE GOT THROAT PUNCHED. What if he has been captured and decided to talk back or give a smart ass answer to his captures ? Would have been alot worse . I don't believe in the stress cards or babying in any way of your in the millitary especially if you only have a year in and haven't deployed . You are there to grow and become better and stronger both mentally first and physically ,if you wanna be a whiney bitch then go back home and maybe just maybe your mother will put up with it .

Response by William O'Keefe made Feb 2 at 2017 11:43 AM

William O'Keefe — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:43:27 -0500

PT his ass till he wish he were dead

Response by 1LT Kate Callahan made Feb 2 at 2017 12:08 PM

1LT Kate Callahan — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 12:08:47 -0500

Combat medic badge. I took the test as enlisted but earned my wreath ad a nurse 0-2

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 12:17 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 12:17:21 -0500

Counseling and harder work

Response by SGT Steven Plank made Feb 2 at 2017 12:24 PM

SGT Steven Plank — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 12:24:23 -0500

I would tell him to stand fast. I would then proceed to counsel him if he persisted, I would then give him an Article 15.

Response by SGT James Montgomery made Feb 2 at 2017 12:30 PM

SGT James Montgomery — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 12:30:29 -0500

Smoke the shit of him, restrict him to the Barracks, assign extra duties, take away privileges, and sign-out and in when he goes to church and chow.

Response by SSgt David Herchelroath made Feb 2 at 2017 12:30 PM

SSgt David Herchelroath — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 12:30:42 -0500

Put him down

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 12:33 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 12:33:03 -0500

Smoak him. A PFC who can smart off to a Sgt, obviously didn't get smoaked enough in basic.

Response by SSG Chris Peranio made Feb 2 at 2017 1:20 PM

SSG Chris Peranio — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 13:20:09 -0500

Death

Response by SGT Joshua FarFan made Feb 2 at 2017 1:47 PM

SGT Joshua FarFan — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 13:47:15 -0500

Smoke the shit out of him. The private needs to know he's to follow orders given to him if the orders are not unlawful. If the private can't or will not follow simple orders in basic, the private is going to get him/herself killed or someone else.

Response by SP6 Mark Strohl made Feb 2 at 2017 2:11 PM

SP6 Mark Strohl — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 14:11:40 -0500

hard to say i was 28ndABORNE ADA I think i would put the feer of god back into his ass and if that dident work he would be the first one i would put ON POINT next HOT mission

Response by 1stSgt Jeff Blovat made Feb 2 at 2017 2:12 PM

1stSgt Jeff Blovat — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 14:12:06 -0500

I never had the desire to become a an Army Ranger. All due respect to them all. I was awarded a GLCM tab while active duty in the USAF in 1990. I'll take it.... HU-AH?!

Response by Dale Carter made Feb 2 at 2017 2:33 PM

Dale Carter — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 14:33:55 -0500

Never been in the military but doesn't the E2 understand why there is a chain of command? And isn't he supposed to follow all lawful orders without question?

Response by Lisa Calloway made Feb 2 at 2017 2:48 PM

Lisa Calloway — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 14:48:50 -0500

PFC dumb ass, you will not only clean the shit house today, but also tomorrow, and the day after that and the day after that, and just for shits and giggles, PFC dumb ass you will continue to clean the shit house everyday after that until the day arises that you have become so sufficient at cleaning the shit house that you are able to clean up after your battle buddies prior to their individual need to sit and shit on a daily basis,

Response by SPC James Powell made Feb 2 at 2017 2:54 PM

SPC James Powell — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 14:54:51 -0500

Have him dig a 6 X 6 X 6 with a trenching tool.

Response by LCpl David Vettore made Feb 2 at 2017 3:06 PM

LCpl David Vettore — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:06:58 -0500

Push- ups 200

Response by SP5 Ralph Mitchell made Feb 2 at 2017 3:20 PM

SP5 Ralph Mitchell — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:20:21 -0500

Discipline

Response by SSgt Mark Gamroth made Feb 2 at 2017 3:57 PM

SSgt Mark Gamroth — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 15:57:05 -0500

KP and Latrine duty for a week by himself

Response by MSgt Gw Lupton made Feb 2 at 2017 4:22 PM

MSgt Gw Lupton — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:22:03 -0500

What the (insert rank) meant to say was .....I'll get right on that....it just came out wrong. Isn't that right (insert name and rank) who now has latrine orderly after shift for two weeks. I see your (insert number of stripes) and I raise you (insert number of your stripes) are we playing poker? Would you like to call? Because the next sequence of events sounds like this.....But Officer, but judge, but warden! Ante-up hero!

Response by CSM Charles Dodge III made Feb 2 at 2017 4:25 PM

CSM Charles Dodge III — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:25:56 -0500

The sergeant has a different problem by as been in setting the tone for this to happen in the first place. That private his unit for a few months and shoots his mouth off like that? The relationship between the sergeant and the private is destroyed, but the biggest challenge is the unit under the sergeant's charge.

Response by Crystal Williams made Feb 2 at 2017 4:32 PM

Crystal Williams — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:32:32 -0500

Smoke his whole squad.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 4:38 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:38:02 -0500

Start pushing until you realize this ain't your mom's house. Welcome to the military.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 5:09 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:09:06 -0500

He would be beatin his face until I started to sweat

Response by SPC Jason Nations made Feb 2 at 2017 5:14 PM

SPC Jason Nations — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:14:58 -0500

Pt the hell out him

Response by PO3 John Kruppstadt made Feb 2 at 2017 5:15 PM

PO3 John Kruppstadt — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:15:33 -0500

I would have him doing PT

Response by Pvt Kenneth Kelly made Feb 2 at 2017 5:24 PM

Pvt Kenneth Kelly — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:24:43 -0500

I'd probably drop him so fast, that he wouldn't have enough time to think about his next move. Gauretee he'd think twice before opening his pie hole the next time

Response by SP5 Kevin Hawkins made Feb 2 at 2017 5:56 PM

SP5 Kevin Hawkins — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:56:37 -0500

Smoke his ass!

Response by A1C Reynold Redler made Feb 2 at 2017 5:58 PM

A1C Reynold Redler — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:58:58 -0500

A very long hike with heavy gear

Response by PFC Curtis V Godfrey Jr. made Feb 2 at 2017 6:04 PM

PFC Curtis V Godfrey Jr. — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:04:35 -0500

Stand your ground and make him do it physically if necessary

Response by SGT Robert McEldowney made Feb 2 at 2017 6:05 PM

SGT Robert McEldowney — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:05:28 -0500

I'd smoke him right there then verbally abuse him and if he doesn't get the point send him to see the platoon sergeant which in my days would have a visit to the First Sergeant and NOBODY wanted that!

Response by LCpl Donald Marks made Feb 2 at 2017 6:29 PM

LCpl Donald Marks — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:29:43 -0500

article 15 of course...

Response by SFC Claude Byrd made Feb 2 at 2017 6:32 PM

SFC Claude Byrd — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:32:55 -0500

Continue to hand out work assignments. Release the rest and have him stand fast. If you deal with him right then he gets the reaction he wants from you and the rest of the platoon.
Tell him the he is very funny but you will inform the rest of the platoon that due to his actions they will due extra duty each day untill his attitude has changed. When he ask why just smile and tell him to get to work. Let the platoon fix his attitude!!!

Response by SPC Dave Campbell made Feb 2 at 2017 6:40 PM

SPC Dave Campbell — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:40:49 -0500

Respond accordingly

Response by SP5 Donald Bittner made Feb 2 at 2017 7:37 PM

SP5 Donald Bittner — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:37:13 -0500

Well I was in during the seventies and at that time if you had insubordination as described above you would take the private for a private walk behind the barracks.... and he would return to formation with a whole new Outlook

Response by PO1 E.J. Burris made Feb 2 at 2017 7:39 PM

PO1 E.J. Burris — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:39:44 -0500

I had the E-2 stand off to the side while I finished handing out the rest of the assignments & then dismissed everyone else. I gave the E-2 a chance to explain his actions, then I gave him a talking to that showed him the error of his way!

Response by Elvis Sequeira made Feb 2 at 2017 7:45 PM

Elvis Sequeira — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:45:17 -0500

I would give him a swirly but since there's laws saying you can't really haze them I mean it's war you know what I'm saying u can navy that to make him look prettier

Response by LCpl Mark Juarez made Feb 2 at 2017 7:50 PM

LCpl Mark Juarez — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:50:23 -0500

As a Cpl I chew him out in from of everyone to show I am not playing around. And, not to question my authority. But if the problem consist than it would involve, paper work or NJP. But, that will always be the last option. No one deserves to lose money. I grew up in the Old Corps where people played games with you before, you got written up.

Response by SPC Terry Beach made Feb 2 at 2017 8:12 PM

SPC Terry Beach — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 20:12:20 -0500

in my day, you had no choice.. you obeyed the order..

Response by Damien Gaines made Feb 2 at 2017 9:20 PM

Damien Gaines — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:20:12 -0500

Smoke the the hell out of him.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 9:30 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:30:13 -0500

"Stand By"

Response by SP5 David LaGrua made Feb 2 at 2017 9:41 PM

SP5 David LaGrua — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:41:35 -0500

Think I'd art 15 and put him on the streets...no room for that in military.

Response by Reggie Killion made Feb 2 at 2017 9:48 PM

Reggie Killion — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:48:34 -0500

Give him 1 week of training to remind him that insubordination can mess your life up and exta duty.

Response by A1C Holly Smith made Feb 2 at 2017 9:55 PM

A1C Holly Smith — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:55:29 -0500

GySgt answer sounds about right

Response by A1C Holly Smith made Feb 2 at 2017 9:58 PM

A1C Holly Smith — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:58:02 -0500

I had a female in the bunk in basic next to me mouth off then tried to go over the Sgt head. Let's just say she was never touched physically but she ended up getting a ticket home less than half way through

Response by PO2 Fred Parks made Feb 2 at 2017 10:03 PM

PO2 Fred Parks — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:03:53 -0500

You have him drop and give you 50 push-ups and when he is done inform him he has extra duty for the next week. After the formation is dismissed (after he is done the 50 push-ups) take him into your office and find out what is malfunction is

Response by SPC Richard Craig made Feb 2 at 2017 10:04 PM

SPC Richard Craig — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:04:31 -0500

Football drill in a mud puddle! I had to do it!

Response by LCDR T Holom made Feb 2 at 2017 10:21 PM

LCDR T Holom — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:21:14 -0500

The lack of overall leadership is evident by the observation how many of the formation maintains the order of "ATTENTION". I observe a failing military leadership scenario...in that the graphic pic indicates a DOD training environment (necks all over the place/sloppy appearance/Tennis shoes,lines on the deck, & squad bay atmosphere). If a combat situation...it is obvious the E2 not impressed by the fake "Senior E5" chop....

Response by SGT Matthew Michel made Feb 2 at 2017 10:22 PM

SGT Matthew Michel — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:22:15 -0500

Chain of command. This isn't Walmart. Might seem simple to a civilian. Orders are given. Orders are followed. In Garrison or In Combat. Doesn't make a difference. Never had any reason to get physical unless in defense. Words have power just like muscles. If that were me, that Pvt. would have been doing front, back, go's for days! And then he would have still completed his task given. Period!

Response by SSgt Aaron Mills made Feb 2 at 2017 10:40 PM

SSgt Aaron Mills — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:40:13 -0500

Find the worst job I can possibly think of and give him the choice of taking it from me or getting written up and getting that job for a week from the Chief or First Sergeant. If it went to our Commander, he would be an E1

Response by Cpl Jason Helmers made Feb 2 at 2017 10:44 PM

Cpl Jason Helmers — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:44:25 -0500

I cant speak for any service but my beloved Marine Corps, good luck Pfc. Yur gonna need it!! Bwahahaha!!!

Response by Roy Peterkin made Feb 2 at 2017 11:10 PM

Roy Peterkin — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 23:10:17 -0500

Knife hand to the throat

Response by Josh Powell made Feb 2 at 2017 11:24 PM

Josh Powell — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 23:24:57 -0500

I'd throat Puch him

Response by PO2 Omar Clayton made Feb 3 at 2017 12:27 AM

PO2 Omar Clayton — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 00:27:59 -0500

Anchor windlass therapy

Response by Rick Grant made Feb 3 at 2017 12:59 AM

Rick Grant — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 00:59:04 -0500

7000 push-ups, before his 12 mile hike in full gear

Response by LCpl Jeffrey Moss made Feb 3 at 2017 3:17 AM

LCpl Jeffrey Moss — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:17:25 -0500

I told anyone to take out the trash he said whiny I grabbed him by the throat and said because I f****** told you to

Response by SFC James Earl Caldwell made Feb 3 at 2017 3:30 AM

SFC James Earl Caldwell — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:30:16 -0500

School him

Response by SPC Grant Cross made Feb 3 at 2017 3:32 AM

SPC Grant Cross — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:32:13 -0500

Smoke them till he pukes

Response by Neal Fallen made Feb 3 at 2017 4:10 AM

Neal Fallen — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 04:10:08 -0500

Tell them to get their butt in gear and do the task or clean latriene

Response by Neal Fallen made Feb 3 at 2017 4:11 AM

Neal Fallen — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 04:11:51 -0500

Run him until he pukes and run him more, then 200 push- ups and 300 sit ups

Response by LCpl Bobbie Hopson made Feb 3 at 2017 8:50 AM

LCpl Bobbie Hopson — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:50:22 -0500

Well I served before all the political correctness crap, personally I would deal with it the way I was dealt with. I would not so politely take him and 9 of his buddies to the sand box and have him thrash the nine till they puke. After what his peers do to him there will be alot more respect shown to higher rank structure.

Response by PO1 Steve Schulman made Feb 3 at 2017 9:31 AM

PO1 Steve Schulman — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:31:30 -0500

EMT

Response by Paul Brown made Feb 3 at 2017 9:45 AM

Paul Brown — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:45:28 -0500

Give them extra duties to preform

Response by AN Earle Brown III made Feb 3 at 2017 9:52 AM

AN Earle Brown III — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:52:31 -0500

As an E-3 who screwed up more than once never did I lose my Military bearing. Do as you are told and suck it up. crap rolls down hill and as the bottom man you get what you get and thats the end of it. I believe a extra Military instruction is immediately in demand

Response by PV2 William Rennhack made Feb 3 at 2017 9:57 AM

PV2 William Rennhack — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:57:11 -0500

Give'em C.Q. every weekend for a year.

Response by PFC Steven Jones made Feb 3 at 2017 10:27 AM

PFC Steven Jones — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 10:27:52 -0500

After I'm done with Him, He would be able to join the Olympic Track Team!!!!

Response by Cpl Mark Hopp made Feb 3 at 2017 10:49 AM

Cpl Mark Hopp — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 10:49:41 -0500

We don't need back talking spoiled punks in the military. They will get people killed.
Instant and willing obedience to all orders!
Or get the Fock out!

Response by MSG Daniel Holmes made Feb 3 at 2017 11:10 AM

MSG Daniel Holmes — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:10:58 -0500

They would be pushing dirt for a month.

Response by SGT Daniel Banks made Feb 3 at 2017 11:20 AM

SGT Daniel Banks — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:20:47 -0500

I'd have to agree with GySgt Pepper, shit rolls down hill and you have to trust in the chain of coomand

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 11:31 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:31:33 -0500

I've seen this many times and these, the toxic ones, themselves.

Response by PO2 Jeffery Horan made Feb 3 at 2017 11:54 AM

PO2 Jeffery Horan — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 11:54:05 -0500

This happened to me. E2 tells me she didn't join the Navy to clean floors. She learned about sweeping parking lot with a toithbrush.

Response by Cpl Wayne Fletcher made Feb 3 at 2017 12:31 PM

Cpl Wayne Fletcher — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 12:31:38 -0500

I would calmly give him a page 11 counseling and then e definitely would be pulling duty for a week in the common area; so everybody could see that mouthing off doesn't pay!

Response by PO3 Carl Reedy made Feb 3 at 2017 12:46 PM

PO3 Carl Reedy — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 12:46:31 -0500

Use positive criticism for the lower ranking individual. Assure that he/she understands what is expected of them is not a burden but a detail of learning and knowledge.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 1:10 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:10:23 -0500

in today's army military the correct response would be something to the affect of I gave you an order and you will execute. Then a trip to your supervisor and have discussion with said soldier (assuming you are right)the next higher NCO would hear both sides and explain what is going to occur. Usually that is either, look knuckle head you're in the military execute or you can grandstand and I'll recommend you for UCMJ. Then you get the joy of hoping your commander supports NCOs and doesn't buy the excuse of the insubordination being someone else's fault. As combat arms soldier this didn't happen often and usually the threat of taking free time to ensure the issues were properly addressed by corrective training conducted by me after 1800 or UCMJ was enough. The best way to get compliance is to take time or money, and as an NCO (depending on your command group) time is something NCOs control. As an E5 you can expect to get grown up kids trying to push their boundaries. I would encourage quick action as once you get a person like that in your unit, if you can't get them to do anything, or they refuse to be useful it will cause morale issues when other people have to work harder to compensate for the weakest link.

Response by SrA Matthew Piles made Feb 3 at 2017 1:20 PM

SrA Matthew Piles — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:20:30 -0500

Give it to him anyway

Response by MSgt Ken "Airsoldier" Collins-Hardy made Feb 3 at 2017 1:28 PM

MSgt Ken "Airsoldier" Collins-Hardy — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:28:32 -0500

My immediate reaction would be to de-escalate the situation posthaste. Dismiss the E2 from formation and instruct him/her to wait in a secluded office or other location - seclusion offers opportunity for introspection - until I'm ready to deliver verbal and/or written counseling/corrective action.

At this point, I've achieved my initial objective: to manage my anxiety and the counselee's until he/she has internalized the infraction. This is where a leader's knowledge of motivation and human behavior is imperative.

Depending on the MOS/AFSC (grunt or POG (persons other than grunts)) - and I've been both - and the personality of the counselee, my next objective is to correct the smart-mouthing without jeopardizing the counselee's future potential to use real courage, my ultimate counseling objective.

My reaction can be summed up with two sayings: 1) "Don't eat your young", and 2) "Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater." I hope this information is helpful.

Response by Lawrence Rooks made Feb 3 at 2017 1:30 PM

Lawrence Rooks — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:30:16 -0500

Don't they go to the brig for refusing orders? I'm just a civilian, but it seems to me that such a break down in discipline will get other soldiers killed in battle. Whatever the E5 decides to do, I hope it's harsh.

Response by John Shumaker made Feb 3 at 2017 1:32 PM

John Shumaker — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:32:28 -0500

I would make all of the other recruits responsible for his disrespect

Response by SN Ryan Sturge made Feb 3 at 2017 1:33 PM

SN Ryan Sturge — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:33:38 -0500

Stone Cold Stunner

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 1:48 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 13:48:23 -0500

I don't let anyone disrespect me ever! The second you let this punk smart off and get away with some bull crap counseling you lose authority and respect. I would knock him out cold!!!!

Response by Cpl Myron Cotton made Feb 3 at 2017 2:01 PM

Cpl Myron Cotton — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:01:35 -0500

Make him wish he had kept his mouth shut

Response by MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 2:40 PM

MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:40:15 -0500

Lose my freaking mind

Response by SGT Randy Lavasseur made Feb 3 at 2017 2:40 PM

SGT Randy Lavasseur — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:40:49 -0500

If my other soldiers didn't already didn't correct him I would instantly pull him into the treeline and offer him a blank 4856 or a bottle of water and make him choose. Or we can make it old school and do some close door counseling.

Response by CPL J S Campbell made Feb 3 at 2017 2:41 PM

CPL J S Campbell — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:41:02 -0500

Platoon, Front leaning rest position, move.

Response by MSgt Terry Dorsey made Feb 3 at 2017 3:40 PM

MSgt Terry Dorsey — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 15:40:20 -0500

Article 15

Response by MSgt Michelle Backus made Feb 3 at 2017 3:48 PM

MSgt Michelle Backus — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 15:48:53 -0500

I would whisper in their ear of the consequences if they do not do it. Now it's a comment just between me and that individual.

Response by SPC Paul McCluskey made Feb 3 at 2017 4:45 PM

SPC Paul McCluskey — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 16:45:54 -0500

Continue to make clear who is in charge

Response by 1LT Clay Thomas made Feb 3 at 2017 5:33 PM

1LT Clay Thomas — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 17:33:56 -0500

As a Platoon Leader, I often let my Sergeant handle the small stuff. He spoke loud and thunderously. When it was my turn, I took them aside and whispered to them. If you wish to act like a Private, I can certainly arrange it. Do your job.

Response by PFC John Vasquez made Feb 3 at 2017 5:49 PM

PFC John Vasquez — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 17:49:18 -0500

Have him push the pavement until he can't no more than have him do flutter kicks til he can't then give him latrine duty on top of that KP and to top off have mop and buff barracks floor

Response by PO2 Sean Thornton made Feb 3 at 2017 5:56 PM

PO2 Sean Thornton — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 17:56:06 -0500

I thankfully only had one instance they got close to this and it was after I had plenty of time in leadership positions.

While underway my partner (undesignated AN) and I were roving the ship and came across a deck seaman chipping paint in a p-way. We always carried ear pro on us and put ours in as we needed to pass through the space. As we did, I noticed the seaman didn't have any ear pro at all, at least he had safety glasses. I tap him on the shoulder as we pass by and signal that he needs plugs or muffs while chipping. He half nods and mouths "whatever ". My partner and I continue on to ththe hangar bay door and wait. My partner steps through and I continue to watch said seaman. He looks up at me and I motion again for him to get hearing protection, he just goes back to chipping. Fast forward, my partner takes some foamies to the kid who motions "no thanks" an we escort the kid to the hangar bay. I'm talking to him and he's just bobbling around looking at the bulkheads, the deck, everywhere except at me. So I brought him back to boot. Back to attention, yes Petty Officer, no Petty Officer, that stuff. We taught him the rank structure again; the chain of command; lawful orders. After that was done, we went and had a friendly chat with this kids LPO, and then the ship She safety LCPO. We brought the entire ship down on this kid. I saw him two weeks later mustering with the restricted sailors for extra duty.

Response by PFC Ronald Vickery made Feb 3 at 2017 6:32 PM

PFC Ronald Vickery — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:32:46 -0500

Put him/her on report

Response by SSgt Elia Tunupopo made Feb 3 at 2017 6:46 PM

SSgt Elia Tunupopo — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:46:39 -0500

Line train .

Response by SrA Mark Cash made Feb 3 at 2017 6:57 PM

SrA Mark Cash — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 18:57:06 -0500

Throat punch..lol

Response by PO2 Gary Caron made Feb 3 at 2017 7:29 PM

PO2 Gary Caron — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 19:29:30 -0500

Slap the puke grass party after then restricted to base

Response by SP5 Matthew Jurkas made Feb 3 at 2017 7:40 PM

SP5 Matthew Jurkas — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 19:40:06 -0500

I would smoke his ass

Response by SSG Corletta Madison made Feb 3 at 2017 8:14 PM

SSG Corletta Madison — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 20:14:25 -0500

I will ensure to have that Soldier standfast, after finishing out what is needed to have the rest of my troops actively engaged I will return to the situation at hand with such Soldier. I will first start by inquiring if the SM had anything pressing going on that the leadership (myself) isn't aware of, whether it be financial, work related, home, substance abuse, alcoholic, etc. If it is such a situation where he/she does, I will ensure to handle it at the same time also ensuring the SM that his/her actions doesn't go unpunished...engage the SM with such a corrective action that he/she won't forget to loose their military bearing again.

Response by SGT Rodney Friedman made Feb 3 at 2017 8:40 PM

SGT Rodney Friedman — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 20:40:38 -0500

Ask him to correctly breaks ranks and get the fuck out of my army...send him str8 to platoon srg for immediate discharge....because if he acts like this in the states...what u think he gonna do over seas

Response by SSG Anthony Bozarth made Feb 3 at 2017 8:57 PM

SSG Anthony Bozarth — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 20:57:12 -0500

Tell him that if he doesn't like it then he can change the policy when he out ranks me, and to do it anyway. Then tell him that if he doesn't do as I have instructed him, that he will be reporting to me in front of the First Sergeant.

Response by SGT Mike Ange made Feb 3 at 2017 9:06 PM

SGT Mike Ange — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 21:06:48 -0500

Pvt DA and his team leader stand fast after formation. Opportunity to explain and in the extremely likely event that there is no adequate explanation - nip this in the bud quickly with extra duty and a counseling statement

Response by SN Lewis Oliphant made Feb 3 at 2017 9:08 PM

SN Lewis Oliphant — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 21:08:24 -0500

Break them down for some PT until they get their head out of their ass

Response by LCpl Kirk Seward made Feb 3 at 2017 9:41 PM

LCpl Kirk Seward — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 21:41:15 -0500

Just start pushing, bends and mother f****** thrust or go out to the back 40 and police your own.

Response by SGT Odis Gaines made Feb 3 at 2017 9:59 PM

SGT Odis Gaines — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 21:59:07 -0500

Extra duty.

Response by SP6 Carl Clark made Feb 3 at 2017 10:27 PM

SP6 Carl Clark — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 22:27:34 -0500

I have him assume the proper position of Parade Rest. Explain to him he has crossed the line into being disrespectful and he will receive a counseling statement and he will be recommended for FAILURE TO FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS, DISRESPECT TO AN NCO, FAILURE TO PERFORM HIS DUTIES. Then I will tell him his assignment again and if he refuses his counseling statement will reflect he was given a second chance to comply and he failed to follow instructions for the second time as well as his actions are leading toward trying to have others follow his acts of insubordination

Response by LCpl Edward Roddy made Feb 3 at 2017 10:49 PM

LCpl Edward Roddy — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 22:49:52 -0500

Everyone out except you PFC.

Response by SSG Michael Taylor made Feb 3 at 2017 11:49 PM

SSG Michael Taylor — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:49:32 -0500

There's a saying " kill em with the pen" keep counseling him and if he wants to stay he will change...if not, let him out

Response by A1C Mary Butler made Feb 3 at 2017 11:59 PM

A1C Mary Butler — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:59:41 -0500

You will do it and do it now and like it! Because you were given a. Order now follow it

Response by SFC Jose Ortega made Feb 4 at 2017 12:08 AM

SFC Jose Ortega — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:08:54 -0500

First I will set him straight and then he will be written up with a recommendation for UCMJ, for disobey a law order and disrispect!

Response by Jeffrey Stokes made Feb 4 at 2017 1:27 AM

Jeffrey Stokes — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 01:27:11 -0500

Soap party is everyone have 14 23 hour days of practice due to smart ass

Response by PO2 Wesley Duncan made Feb 4 at 2017 1:39 AM

PO2 Wesley Duncan — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 01:39:40 -0500

Take him aside and explain why he should do as instructed.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 2:03 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 02:03:02 -0500

Give an order to stand fast, then address the issue in private with relevant figures input, i.e. squad leader, platoon sergeant and leader.

Response by PO3 Gary Mohler made Feb 4 at 2017 2:48 AM

PO3 Gary Mohler — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 02:48:50 -0500

During my time of service 1978-1993 i would of went from a throat punch to locking him up at attention fall them out to first shirt's office for a firm ass chewing to a rite up. Army Navy Army Plt.Sgt.11H

Response by SGT Donald Mauney made Feb 4 at 2017 6:27 AM

SGT Donald Mauney — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 06:27:30 -0500

I would give him extra duty for a week, giving him the worst jobs available, if that didn't work I would punish the whole squad hoping this would get to them that they to help this soldier get his shit together, and the last thing would be to bring up article 15 charges.

Response by PO1 Jorgie Dee EL Cee made Feb 4 at 2017 7:37 AM

PO1 Jorgie Dee EL Cee — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 07:37:21 -0500

Front leaning push-up position... move! Press the floor until your arms fall off and then you'll be pressing some more!

Response by SrA Matt Lavender made Feb 4 at 2017 8:42 AM

SrA Matt Lavender — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 08:42:01 -0500

Push ups until I find someone else and hand out the rest of the assignments....then some extra until I say he's good to get up.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 8:42 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 08:42:36 -0500

I would ruin that pvt life

Response by SGM Edward Sullivan made Feb 4 at 2017 9:23 AM

SGM Edward Sullivan — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:23:10 -0500

I have no idea how this could have ever taken place back before I Retired. Blatant disrespect was ALWAYS met with unwavering discipline. You either did as ordered or you ended up on extra duty without any stripes for the FIRST offense, after that, pack your bags cause you are going back to your Mamma. I always strived to lead by example, work beside my soldiers and treat them with respect, maybe because I was always in a Military Police Unit I NEVER experienced anything like this scenario. YOU ALL HAVE THIS OLD SERGEANT MAJOR SCRATCHING HIS HEAD IN DISBELIEF THAT ANYTHING LIKE THIS COULD TRANSPIRE .

Response by SGT Darryl Stone made Feb 4 at 2017 9:31 AM

SGT Darryl Stone — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:31:08 -0500

That's how's it's done sgt.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Feb 4 at 2017 9:35 AM

SSG Jeremy Sharp — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:35:18 -0500

I would advise them that they are about to make a career decision and give them one last opportunity to accept the work assignment, if they do not then it is off to the Platoon Sergeant, then the 1SG for initiation of NJP.

Response by SPC David Barrett made Feb 4 at 2017 9:37 AM

SPC David Barrett — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:37:30 -0500

Square that shit away asap

Response by Scott Owens made Feb 4 at 2017 9:48 AM

Scott Owens — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:48:45 -0500

Discipline. One on one. At that moment.

Response by SP5 Chris Clifton made Feb 4 at 2017 10:08 AM

SP5 Chris Clifton — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:08:33 -0500

I'd say a return to training status, grass drills til he pukes. THEN, without showering or brushing teeth or wiping off his shoes... THEN perform the assigned task to standard in front of the whole unit.

Response by SFC Sylvester Jenkins Jr made Feb 4 at 2017 10:14 AM

SFC Sylvester Jenkins Jr — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:14:28 -0500

STEP 1: E-2 ON MY COMMMAND FALLOUT, REPORT TO THE 1SG OFFICE AND TELL HIM I REQUEST THAT U BE RELEASE OF ALL YOUR MILITARY OBLIGATION'S AND TO GET U BACK HOME QUICKER THAN CAME ."FALLOUT"

Response by SSgt Gerry Millette made Feb 4 at 2017 10:47 AM

SSgt Gerry Millette — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:47:18 -0500

He was disrespectful and insubordinate in front of the unit and he must experience consequences severe enough so that others in the unit won't engage in similar conduct. Praise in public, criticize/correct in private but punishment has to be public and severe enough to deter others from engaging in similar conduct.

Response by SGT Justin Carroll made Feb 4 at 2017 10:51 AM

SGT Justin Carroll — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:51:07 -0500

I'd make sure he knew his place and made sure he had shit detail for a week

Response by SPC Ryan Moran made Feb 4 at 2017 10:51 AM

SPC Ryan Moran — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:51:33 -0500

Smoke the dog piss out of them, then the whole team, squad, platoon..... If the problem doesn't resolve itself through a platoon beatdown, then counseling statement and Arty 15. Then a move to a new platoon then a field grade. Then its now longer your problem after that. Unfortunately the days of the woodline are gone. But being on deployment there's no rules as far as the infantry in concerned. We even had a guy shoot himself in the leg on deployment, to get out of deployment.

Response by SPC Perry Attwell made Feb 4 at 2017 11:00 AM

SPC Perry Attwell — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:00:34 -0500

Push ups. Then give the rest of assignments and send the rest on their way. Then give him a chance to explain his actions and explain your. (ie you never disrespect a senior person in front of anyone) If you can not follow an order in peace time when TSHTF you won't have to worry about following any orders after that. (ie coming home in a box)

Response by A1C Vernon Ko made Feb 4 at 2017 11:26 AM

A1C Vernon Ko — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:26:51 -0500

Tell him one more time or pay the penalty of disobeying a direct orders

Response by Cpl James Stout made Feb 4 at 2017 11:33 AM

Cpl James Stout — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:33:03 -0500

They would be doing a lot of extra duty and speaking with the First Sgt about disobeying a Lawful order.

Response by SPC Michael Dockery made Feb 4 at 2017 11:33 AM

SPC Michael Dockery — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:33:07 -0500

Tell him to drop

Response by Cpl Paul Wesolowski made Feb 4 at 2017 12:26 PM

Cpl Paul Wesolowski — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:26:59 -0500

Take them out of formation, and remind them of their OOE.

Response by SFC Jeffrey Cummings made Feb 4 at 2017 12:36 PM

SFC Jeffrey Cummings — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:36:42 -0500

Grass Drills

Response by Mitchell McKown made Feb 4 at 2017 12:38 PM

Mitchell McKown — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:38:15 -0500

Take him to the "BEACH" and give him the fuckin thrashing he deserves.

Response by Cpl Michael O'Rourke made Feb 4 at 2017 12:39 PM

Cpl Michael O'Rourke — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:39:05 -0500

Put him on mess duty for the rest of his life

Response by SSgt Austin Sthole made Feb 4 at 2017 1:13 PM

SSgt Austin Sthole — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 13:13:07 -0500

make an example of the turd...teach them early so they dont think they can do it again. also if you let it slide publicly others will think they can do the same. enforce ucmj and ask question later. sounds like an article 92 failure to obey a lawful order issue.

Response by FN John Lewis made Feb 4 at 2017 1:14 PM

FN John Lewis — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 13:14:31 -0500

I've been on both sides of this and my reaction would depend on how ticked off I was already . Unfotionatly I lost more rank than I made .

Response by Scott Jr. made Feb 4 at 2017 1:18 PM

Scott Jr. — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 13:18:40 -0500

Disiplinary

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 2:13 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 14:13:18 -0500

Throat punch

Response by Ron Jeremy made Feb 4 at 2017 2:30 PM

Ron Jeremy — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 14:30:43 -0500

Id drop his ass.

Response by Sgt Mike Spear made Feb 4 at 2017 3:03 PM

Sgt Mike Spear — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 15:03:09 -0500

Smack his ass

Response by SGT Stan Kellum made Feb 4 at 2017 3:16 PM

SGT Stan Kellum — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 15:16:07 -0500

I would calmly tell him everyone gets a turn at not so pleasant tasks and it happens to be his turn. Turn and walk away! At the first opportunity I would address this with him in private and then punish him with extra duty and no weekend pass off post (if those are still required since I served in the late 1960s and early 1970s).

Response by SSgt Michael Tondu made Feb 4 at 2017 3:48 PM

SSgt Michael Tondu — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 15:48:30 -0500

I complete the assignment detail and dismiss the troops. leaving E2 behind, learn his problem/have him explain. My unit was and always be a team

Response by SP5 Michael Earnheart made Feb 4 at 2017 5:38 PM

SP5 Michael Earnheart — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 17:38:18 -0500

Repeat my orders, and if he still didn't obey my command, send or take him to senior NCO or Officer in Charge.

Response by Sepehr Nikpouri made Feb 4 at 2017 5:45 PM

Sepehr Nikpouri — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 17:45:34 -0500

Thank you to all the Men & woman in uniform!

Response by Sgt Charlie Gray made Feb 4 at 2017 6:29 PM

Sgt Charlie Gray — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:29:06 -0500

I had one of mine do that in the early 70's and after he woke up and got off the floor he went and did what he was told. Never had another problem after that.

Response by PFC Bobby Risher made Feb 4 at 2017 6:33 PM

PFC Bobby Risher — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:33:39 -0500

I remmember a time we were out doing field training and I was the Track Driver on a APC, my sgt wanted me to continue to make my way through terrian in Co Springs Co. mountain ranges but I notice a change in the location we were moving, so i notified my sgt and he yelled at me and order me to continue down the path, as he did I pull back on the levers and told him to look at what is in front of us and he continue to yell and demand and threaten me so I yelled back and him and said shut the hell up and look we where about to go off a cliff unto our death. This sgt gasp and said the f word and told me thanks, I did not report him but he respected my opinon more after that.

Response by PFC Bobby Risher made Feb 4 at 2017 6:37 PM

PFC Bobby Risher — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:37:18 -0500

to disrespect those above you is not an option, to disagree has to have a purpose and you better be right and if not then prepare for a but chewing and it will be well deserved, no time for crybabies wanting their way, everyone does what needs to be done and man up about it, we serve each other.

Response by SGT Troy McWhorter Sr. made Feb 4 at 2017 6:49 PM

SGT Troy McWhorter Sr. — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:49:31 -0500

After hours latriane duty

Response by PO2 Donnie Thompson made Feb 4 at 2017 7:01 PM

PO2 Donnie Thompson — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 19:01:24 -0500

Put him on report

Response by LCpl Wayne Walsh made Feb 4 at 2017 7:34 PM

LCpl Wayne Walsh — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 19:34:35 -0500

You take him on a personal walk. only one returns!

Response by SSgt Gary Andrews made Feb 4 at 2017 7:35 PM

SSgt Gary Andrews — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 19:35:18 -0500

Since your authority was challenged in front of the formation, you should deal with it and set this E2 straight in front of the formation. I would have handled it this way: You have two choices PFC.....you can do the task as assigned, or you can report to the brig.....either one works for me. Which is it?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 7:49 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 19:49:09 -0500

Correct on the spot! Otherwise he just undermined your authority in front of the division. Punish in private does not apply to an incident of this kind.

Response by SGT Darren Helfrich made Feb 4 at 2017 8:05 PM

SGT Darren Helfrich — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 20:05:08 -0500

The first thing is to set the pvt straight then make him drop and do push ups afterwards write him up and recommend him for and article 15 and extra duty to go with it and lose some money. That's disrespect to a nco in the us army.

Response by SGT Scott Weaver made Feb 4 at 2017 8:15 PM

SGT Scott Weaver — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 20:15:09 -0500

it wouldn't happen ...most have a lot of respect that I have ran into

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 8:20 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 20:20:06 -0500

"What you're failing to understand is that this is not a request, it is a direct order coming from an NCO, superior to you in rank, stature, mental capacity and physical strength, furthermore failure to comply will result in sever bodily harm the likes of which you have never experienced, followed by required medical procedures to remove my boot from your ass, now move out smartly punk because you're less that 3 seconds away from becoming a medical report!"

Response by Ora Fincher made Feb 4 at 2017 8:25 PM

Ora Fincher — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 20:25:44 -0500

They would do that task as well as many more...maybe all night till they learned ran and ordrr

Response by CPL Frank Dalton made Feb 4 at 2017 8:36 PM

CPL Frank Dalton — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 20:36:20 -0500

Everyone in full gear.... except the E2... everyone in gear low crawls through the mud, and then does pushups until they can't move... the E2 is made to stand at Attention so his fellow brothers can see him, and know that he is the cause for their pain.... the problem will take care of it's self...

Response by Ed Ellmore made Feb 4 at 2017 8:54 PM

Ed Ellmore — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 20:54:42 -0500

Make his life a living Hell!

Response by LCpl Gary Arsenault made Feb 4 at 2017 9:11 PM

LCpl Gary Arsenault — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:11:06 -0500

I was in during the Vietnam era and physical persuasion rarely failed.

Response by SPC James Todd made Feb 4 at 2017 9:12 PM

SPC James Todd — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:12:08 -0500

He would get every shit detail that comes up

Response by SSgt Thomas Thompson made Feb 4 at 2017 9:26 PM

SSgt Thomas Thompson — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:26:10 -0500

Give the job to the biggest meanest baddest guy in the company and tell him it is compliments of wise as e2. It will likely sort itself out.

Response by Sgt Seth Jr. Bailey made Feb 4 at 2017 9:47 PM

Sgt Seth Jr. Bailey — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:47:11 -0500

Pull him aside, give him extra duty, write him up,threat him with an article 15., then let the rest of the group decide what to do, & carry it out.

Response by Danny Tizzles made Feb 4 at 2017 9:51 PM

Danny Tizzles — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:51:05 -0500

I would definitely have him and the other troops dperform exercises as discipline simultaneously I would loudly reiterate the oath they signed when they joined, and values of teamwork, cooperation, and dependability within a military platoon.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Feb 4 at 2017 9:57 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:57:23 -0500

was put in charge of a detail with a PFC and a couple skeeter wings, started the detail and all of a sudden one of the skeeter wings looks at me and says 'your not a NCO, you cant tell me what to do' your right, go lean on the wall and take a break. Top came around the corner shortly and asked me what 'I' was doing. Before I could think of something smart ass to say the PFC tells Top, he told him he wasnt a NCO and cant tell him what to do. Well Top told myself the PFC and skeeter wing to leave. Saw the crute at formation later in the day, dirty, tired, smelly and apologetic. He had the honor of doing stuff for Top that day, under his direct supervision. He never mouthed off to me again. Then a few months later he tried to burn down the barracks

Response by PO2 Jeff Yancey made Feb 4 at 2017 10:06 PM

PO2 Jeff Yancey — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:06:56 -0500

Written reprimand for insubordination. Would be folllowed by Captain's mast, and loss of 1/2 a months pay for a few months. Won't tolerate insubordination it will spread through the ranks like a cancer.

Response by CPL Andrew Watson made Feb 4 at 2017 10:09 PM

CPL Andrew Watson — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:09:46 -0500

Order him and his squad leader to stand fast before dismissing formation. After formation, immediately counsel him on his error in judgment and clearly outline his options. Choose next steps based on his choice whether or not to reconsider. Follow up with his squad leader and issue appropriate counseling or discipline.

Response by Ryan Roark made Feb 4 at 2017 10:13 PM

Ryan Roark — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:13:05 -0500

Make him do so much pt until he losses his stomach then assign him to do the same job that he didn't want to do for the rest of the term

Response by Sgt Doug Biller made Feb 4 at 2017 10:44 PM

Sgt Doug Biller — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:44:23 -0500

Take it outside

Response by PO2 Josh Klein made Feb 4 at 2017 10:49 PM

PO2 Josh Klein — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 22:49:44 -0500

I agree with gunny

Response by Chuck Harding made Feb 4 at 2017 11:09 PM

Chuck Harding — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 23:09:34 -0500

Be the best......

Response by MSgt Steve Woodrum made Feb 4 at 2017 11:25 PM

MSgt Steve Woodrum — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 23:25:15 -0500

Kick his ass

Response by MSG William Trumbull made Feb 4 at 2017 11:30 PM

MSG William Trumbull — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 23:30:16 -0500

I indicate to the soldier not to challenge your command and obey all your directions.. Order him to comply.. If he fails your command, immediately report to the Company Commander for further discipline and direction...

Response by Mike Hilburn made Feb 4 at 2017 11:41 PM

Mike Hilburn — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 23:41:41 -0500

enact discipline

Response by SGT Wayne Poe made Feb 4 at 2017 11:58 PM

SGT Wayne Poe — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 23:58:54 -0500

Drop him. Front leaning rest position move!

Response by Matt Heutsche made Feb 5 at 2017 12:05 AM

Matt Heutsche — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 00:05:47 -0500

Chew them a new ass

Response by LCpl Shawn Evanuk made Feb 5 at 2017 12:27 AM

LCpl Shawn Evanuk — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 00:27:39 -0500

Bend that som-bitch till your tired!!!

Response by Wayne Kuykendall made Feb 5 at 2017 1:02 AM

Wayne Kuykendall — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 01:02:48 -0500

Better obey

Response by Jason Janiszewski made Feb 5 at 2017 1:03 AM

Jason Janiszewski — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 01:03:21 -0500

Well to be honest, even with under a year in and a few months under your command... If he doesn't understand that he must show respect to his superior, no matter what task was given to him for the day. If he is able to get away with this or given a slap on the wrist... The Senior E5 will lose the men's respect so what happens to him must be severe enough for him
And the others to understand that this will never be tolerated. He should be choked until he passes out, give him a kidney punch or punish everyone else BUT him and let them do the punishing while he's asleep or even awake. That will be indeed the LAST time an E5 is shown any disrespect by an E2.

Response by 1SG Miguel Huaman made Feb 5 at 2017 1:05 AM

1SG Miguel Huaman — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 01:05:35 -0500

Nipped on the bud immediately

Response by TSgt Mike Sutter made Feb 5 at 2017 1:05 AM

TSgt Mike Sutter — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 01:05:42 -0500

Get in that ass and set up a meeting with the First Sergeant. In that meeting recommend Article 15.

Response by AN Jay Foust made Feb 5 at 2017 1:07 AM

AN Jay Foust — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 01:07:41 -0500

Brig.

Response by SSgt Kimberly McDonagh made Feb 5 at 2017 5:31 AM

SSgt Kimberly McDonagh — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 05:31:00 -0500

I've had this happen. My response was very direct...and colorful. Unbeknownst to me our Squadron Commander was in the hanger, behind me with another officer. His response (from what I was told later) was, "I wouldn't argue with her." And continued on with his day. The E2 did what he was told...

Response by CPT Charles Ferrara made Feb 5 at 2017 5:45 AM

CPT Charles Ferrara — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 05:45:36 -0500

There is absolutely no room for insubordination in the military. The rest of the troops need to know this will not be tolerated. After dropping him for twenty--I would then put him on report. This would result in either an Art-15 or court martial. I'm old school. If this young trooper did this with a non life threatening detail in garrison--what would he do on the battlefield?

Response by PO2 Sam Payne made Feb 5 at 2017 9:02 AM

PO2 Sam Payne — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 09:02:30 -0500

Write his ass up.

Response by Cpl Richard Bussell made Feb 5 at 2017 9:43 AM

Cpl Richard Bussell — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 09:43:53 -0500

Smile say "Alright, I'll deal with you later"

Response by SP5 Brent Scroggins made Feb 5 at 2017 9:50 AM

SP5 Brent Scroggins — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 09:50:09 -0500

Dig in that ass and smoke the son of a bitch or wall to wall counseling

Response by LCpl Russell Branche made Feb 5 at 2017 10:26 AM

LCpl Russell Branche — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:26:18 -0500

Walk them behind the nearest object out of site of others and throat punch the living he'll outta of em

Response by SSG George Johnson made Feb 5 at 2017 10:39 AM

SSG George Johnson — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:39:06 -0500

I would react in a manner that would later have me standing at parade rest in front of Top.

Response by Anita Cisneros made Feb 5 at 2017 11:41 AM

Anita Cisneros — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:41:10 -0500

I am Correctional Officer but my Grandfathers, Father, Brother has served. As well as many other relatives. In the correctional setting if you can not trust your brothers and sisters to do the jod they are given then they need to leave. You have to know without a shadow of doubt when something goes down they will be there to have your back and not run the other way. It only takes a few seconds to lose one of them. If this E2 does not get that then he needs to leave.

Response by SSgt Steve Swartz made Feb 5 at 2017 12:13 PM

SSgt Steve Swartz — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 12:13:27 -0500

I will kill this snake before it has a chance to grow, have every one else fall out. the only people who needs to know what's going on is me, the young snake and his team leader.

Response by MSgt James Segrist made Feb 5 at 2017 12:13 PM

MSgt James Segrist — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 12:13:36 -0500

Depends on the environment. At war or in garrison. Either way he does not belong in the military! Asking him why he's being insubordinate or acting butt hurt is the reason the military is the way it is now...timeouts and so forth...I am proud of my service and those I have served....political correctness and coddling have no place in my military

Response by Cortney Preston made Feb 5 at 2017 12:43 PM

Cortney Preston — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 12:43:12 -0500

Beat his ass hes not ready for wat

Response by Pvt Arthur Davis made Feb 5 at 2017 12:44 PM

Pvt Arthur Davis — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 12:44:18 -0500

If I was a DI, would be my job to keep military discipline- mop the floor using the unit as a mop.

Response by MSgt Reynaldo De los Santos made Feb 5 at 2017 12:57 PM

MSgt Reynaldo De los Santos — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 12:57:13 -0500

Ass chewing, pull out of formation chew some more LOR and give him his detail process accourding to responce

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2017 1:12 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:12:39 -0500

Smoke the dogshit out of him.

Response by SGT Paul Lenhart made Feb 5 at 2017 1:13 PM

SGT Paul Lenhart — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:13:16 -0500

Remedial PT for a week, extra duty

Response by Phillip Mccurry made Feb 5 at 2017 1:28 PM

Phillip Mccurry — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:28:42 -0500

I would become Negan and introduce them to Lucille!! Jus sayin!

Response by Sgt William Toliver made Feb 5 at 2017 1:33 PM

Sgt William Toliver — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:33:02 -0500

send him to my immediate supervisor so i dont make the mistake of doing something that i would regret

Response by SSG Tommy Chavez made Feb 5 at 2017 1:34 PM

SSG Tommy Chavez — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:34:33 -0500

Take the squiteer wings to that latrine and counsel him in the errors of his ways.

Response by PO3 William Blanke made Feb 5 at 2017 1:35 PM

PO3 William Blanke — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:35:28 -0500

You'll be scrubbing decks on your hands and knees with a toothbrush.

Response by Karen Woodford made Feb 5 at 2017 1:37 PM

Karen Woodford — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 13:37:04 -0500

I would affore him a hand across the face or weekend KP for 3 months and if he says you can not strike me because of military REGS then I say you choose 3 months of KP

Response by LCpl Joseph Edward made Feb 5 at 2017 2:01 PM

LCpl Joseph Edward — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:01:24 -0500

As a junior Marine, E3, I knew if I mouthed off that I was headed straight for a damn knife-hand to the corroded. Even the worst tasks must be handled with a few simple words, "I'm on it, Sargent." Later on you can get out all the "wtf" and "this is BS" rants...

Response by CPL Jimmy Willis made Feb 5 at 2017 2:26 PM

CPL Jimmy Willis — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:26:40 -0500

Drop for 150

Response by SGT Christopher Bonner Holland made Feb 5 at 2017 2:48 PM

SGT Christopher Bonner Holland — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 14:48:31 -0500

KP and many push ups

Response by SPC Joseph Jacker made Feb 5 at 2017 3:19 PM

SPC Joseph Jacker — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:19:22 -0500

Smoke his ass

Response by A1C Larry Chapman made Feb 5 at 2017 3:35 PM

A1C Larry Chapman — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:35:07 -0500

Inform them my expectation of "you is to carry out the order"

Response by Dustin Smith made Feb 5 at 2017 3:36 PM

Dustin Smith — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:36:49 -0500

I would definitely dicipline him to the fullest

Response by SPC Bryant Voss made Feb 5 at 2017 3:46 PM

SPC Bryant Voss — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:46:33 -0500

Make an example out of him in front of everyone else.

Response by SSG Jesse Navarro made Feb 5 at 2017 3:57 PM

SSG Jesse Navarro — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:57:04 -0500

Dismiss the rest of the troops and have him/her stand fast with their first line and allow them to explain if there's no explanation conduct proper paperwork.

Response by SSgt Danny Simpson made Feb 5 at 2017 4:03 PM

SSgt Danny Simpson — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 16:03:07 -0500

Respectfully dismiss the E2 to a diffetent location, and then render corrective action and punishment in the firm of excersize and cleaning.

Response by SSG Robert Holland made Feb 5 at 2017 4:11 PM

SSG Robert Holland — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 16:11:21 -0500

I recall a few morons trying this. I also recall them loosing Rank and Doing more running and Beating THAT FACE time then anyone. They sure were Strong after it.

Response by SPC Robert Howard made Feb 5 at 2017 4:14 PM

SPC Robert Howard — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 16:14:59 -0500

kp for a week

Response by Sgt Louis Yannuzzi made Feb 5 at 2017 5:05 PM

Sgt Louis Yannuzzi — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 17:05:12 -0500

The proper response would be to write him up on a article 15 for disobeying a direct order. That is the proper method.

Response by CPO Mark Bush made Feb 5 at 2017 5:29 PM

CPO Mark Bush — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 17:29:18 -0500

Bosn locker counseling. He would be a changed and respectful E-2

Response by SPC Michael Ursprung made Feb 5 at 2017 5:30 PM

SPC Michael Ursprung — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 17:30:44 -0500

Depends on when you were in and what the regs were. When I was in, early 70s, a number of things would happen. Anything from the private doing pushups until the Sgt was tired. To repeatedly low crawling under the WWII barracks. This could take all day. To a walk behind the barracks where the E2 got a quick lesson in hand to hand combat.

Response by SN Nakia Isaac made Feb 5 at 2017 5:33 PM

SN Nakia Isaac — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 17:33:19 -0500

smoke his ass to death

Response by CPL Jimbo Lumanator made Feb 5 at 2017 5:59 PM

CPL Jimbo Lumanator — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 17:59:16 -0500

You put the fear of GOD into that soldier. That's the only way. These kids have become used to choices. There is no other choice other than what you you platoon, squad, or you team chief tells you have. That have to know this early.

Response by Cpl Bert Saxton made Feb 5 at 2017 6:07 PM

Cpl Bert Saxton — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 18:07:42 -0500

dismiss platoon, face on face with e2 + squad ldr

Response by Cpl Leonardo Sloms made Feb 5 at 2017 6:13 PM

Cpl Leonardo Sloms — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 18:13:40 -0500

office hours

Response by Anthony Morrison made Feb 5 at 2017 6:14 PM

Anthony Morrison — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 18:14:44 -0500

PT..... either he/she will learn to be obedient through it eventually

Response by MSgt Jimmy Williams made Feb 5 at 2017 7:10 PM

MSgt Jimmy Williams — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:10:38 -0500

I guess I'm just Old Corp, but I would immediately take him for a Helicopter Ride.

Response by Anthony Motes made Feb 5 at 2017 7:27 PM

Anthony Motes — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:27:35 -0500

No reaction

Response by SPC Tony Dugue made Feb 5 at 2017 7:36 PM

SPC Tony Dugue — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:36:12 -0500

I did not ask your permission

Response by SrA Scott George made Feb 5 at 2017 7:46 PM

SrA Scott George — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:46:25 -0500

Make him push until they puke

Response by PFC Tommy Guns made Feb 5 at 2017 7:59 PM

PFC Tommy Guns — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 19:59:48 -0500

I agree proper punishment is in line for that soldier disobeying a direct order yes some orders may be crappy But if you have a problem with listening and obeying authority that is above you then you should've never joined the military and I must say I do love that perfect knife hand the NCO is giving

Response by SGT Gary DeFelippo made Feb 5 at 2017 8:01 PM

SGT Gary DeFelippo — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:01:45 -0500

lock his heals Give him a direct order. Discipline follows

Response by PO2 Robert Suthers made Feb 5 at 2017 8:05 PM

PO2 Robert Suthers — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:05:03 -0500

Write them up for refusing a direct order from a superior.

Response by Chris Jones made Feb 5 at 2017 8:06 PM

Chris Jones — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:06:22 -0500

What happens behind close door stays behind close doors

Response by Sgt Ronnie Melvin II made Feb 5 at 2017 8:14 PM

Sgt Ronnie Melvin II — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:14:41 -0500

You stay..everyone else fall out.

Response by James Averett made Feb 5 at 2017 8:29 PM

James Averett — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:29:02 -0500

I think an ass kicking is appropriate

Response by SGT Paul Swierad made Feb 5 at 2017 8:55 PM

SGT Paul Swierad — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 20:55:28 -0500

Round house kick to the face, then smoke the dog shit out of them!

Response by LCpl Gary Nantz made Feb 5 at 2017 9:30 PM

LCpl Gary Nantz — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:30:32 -0500

I would pit him until he couldn't move no moor

Response by SSgt Carlos Llanos made Feb 5 at 2017 9:32 PM

SSgt Carlos Llanos — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:32:25 -0500

Teach him a lesson

Response by SSgt Jeff Hill made Feb 5 at 2017 9:51 PM

SSgt Jeff Hill — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:51:59 -0500

Well, for one the pic is not correct. you dont have a drill instructor/sgt. giving orders like that in the pic. an e-2 and an e-5 in that pic? dont think so

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2017 9:54 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 21:54:10 -0500

I would PT him/her until they begged me for the shittiest job on the list

Response by Ashley Ginnings made Feb 5 at 2017 10:11 PM

Ashley Ginnings — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 22:11:24 -0500

Put him on report there's not much else you can do

Response by MCPO Johnny Bradshaw made Feb 5 at 2017 10:42 PM

MCPO Johnny Bradshaw — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 22:42:36 -0500

I would first have a private come to Jesus meeting with the young man and see if he might be willing to rethink his position. If that didn't inspire him I think maybe three days bread and water might.

Response by FN Richard McFaul made Feb 5 at 2017 10:58 PM

FN Richard McFaul — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 22:58:13 -0500

Blanket party

Response by Terry Tolle made Feb 5 at 2017 11:17 PM

Terry Tolle — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:17:48 -0500

I'd dismiss the troops and have the malcontent get aquainted with up downs and some distance running until he dropped followed by a great motivational speech and then he would do the job that he was instructed to do the first time. Followed by a weekend on base cleaning toilets and trash cans.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2017 11:31 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:31:01 -0500

There's no chance to explain insubordination!! Its move out and draw fire or suffer the consequences! Stop weakening the ranks

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2017 11:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:33:58 -0500

Is there a opportunity to explain insubordination in combat when the heat is on ! No! Train as you fight! I ain't trying to write no counseling while the mortar rounds coming in

Response by SPC Ben Lauderman made Feb 5 at 2017 11:34 PM

SPC Ben Lauderman — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:34:21 -0500

Have everyone in there plank position, and have him explain his self, if you can't get no where get out there ruck sacks and ready a road March

Response by LCpl Ken Rowells made Feb 5 at 2017 11:43 PM

LCpl Ken Rowells — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:43:14 -0500

For starters let me say that my Marine Corps grunt mind CAN'T even imagine something like this to happen, and to bring it up for discussion and opinions! It's hard for me to comprehend that level of 1)Disrespect especially to that degree and telling him to find someone else!?!
2)Disobeying a lawful order from an NCO.

This isn't a babysitter "asking you to take out the trash"!!! This a superior giving an "ORDER" to carry out certain tasks. End of story. End of debate. Hello UCMJ!!!
The lame "having a bad day or bad news from home" does allow for this behavior active duty means 24/7 365. "Mommy" coddling is BS in the military. If these kinds of situations happen in the Army,Navy,AF,CG and even the Corps than they have FAILED in producing properly trained and disciplined military personnel.
Tact is important BUT this is an extreme situation that requires very extreme measures for these reasons
1)Such behavior is NEVER acceptable and will ALWAYS be dealt with quickly and firmly
2)The other personnel get a clear message as to the consequences of such behavior.

It is also important to have an All Hands meeting to stress that certain behaviors are never acceptable or tolerated.
It's not acceptable behavior from my children, and it DEFINITELY isn't acceptable in the military.
Military codes and qualities are Honor,Discipline,Duty. TOLERANCE IS NOT ONE OF THEM!!!
Are they spoiled children or are they Professional Military Personnel under contractual obligation to do what they're ordered to do!!??!!

Response by SCPO Gerard O'Leary made Feb 5 at 2017 11:53 PM

SCPO Gerard O'Leary — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:53:34 -0500

Knowing that smacking the dog-shit out of him is not allowed any longer, I would find some extra duty for all of his shipmates say for the next week, or until his shipmates convinced him to change his ways. When I retired back in 94, the dirtbag would have had an upclose and personal session with me.

Response by PFC William Bill Garrison Jr. made Feb 6 at 2017 12:01 AM

PFC William Bill Garrison Jr. — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 00:01:19 -0500

I would simply tell them that they have failed at the art of communication and that he/she will not speak to me as such and an order was given. I will now contact my supervisor for review and they can return to their barracks until told to leave that area of face incarceration for failure to listen to a direct order.

Response by Mo Nicks made Feb 6 at 2017 12:05 AM

Mo Nicks — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 00:05:42 -0500

Yea I agree with whoever posted throat punch...

Response by CPL LanorMaya Williams made Feb 6 at 2017 12:14 AM

CPL LanorMaya Williams — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 00:14:18 -0500

The pen is mightier than the sword so Article 15 that butt

Response by Sgt Mark Carter made Feb 6 at 2017 12:51 AM

Sgt Mark Carter — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 00:51:25 -0500

What I would do in the seventies and what I would do today are two totally different answers. The reality is your actions depend on what the command expectations are for insubordination to an NCO.

Response by SSG David McMullen made Feb 6 at 2017 1:22 AM

SSG David McMullen — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 01:22:55 -0500

Knock him out

Response by PVT David Racette made Feb 6 at 2017 2:22 AM

PVT David Racette — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 02:22:57 -0500

This would depend,on weather this person was part of permanent cadre, or he was under my command as a trainee..How I would react.In both cases,I would be hard pressed not to react with force.althought I know hands on would be wrong and illegal.??

Response by Bradley Mercer made Feb 6 at 2017 3:22 AM

Bradley Mercer — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 03:22:36 -0500

Get the kill hat so he can do some damage

Response by SFC Scott Parkhurst made Feb 6 at 2017 3:36 AM

SFC Scott Parkhurst — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 03:36:35 -0500

I would continue on with what I'm doing and then pull that Soldier out and have a "discussion "with them. You give them a choose, do the assignment or get written up. Also knowing me, I would want to know why they did what they did as well....Some times there's a reason why someone is acting out and I would like to dig deeper before I could possibly ruin someone's career. If this Soldier truly has an attitude problem then he or she gets written up in my book. I can't have Soldiers hurting my Platoon and moral.

Response by Mitch Staggs made Feb 6 at 2017 3:48 AM

Mitch Staggs — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 03:48:19 -0500

Um most of my family are marine or navy and back in there day if you got mouthy they put there hands on ya ! My uncle got him mouth busted open with the butt of a gun for not following a order

Response by Cpl Christopher St. Germaine made Feb 6 at 2017 4:42 AM

Cpl Christopher St. Germaine — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 04:42:42 -0500

Make them change into pt gear. And pt their ass until they can't take it anymore. It's called training a young Marine. Giving them an education.

Response by Cpl Kris McCusker made Feb 6 at 2017 7:02 AM

Cpl Kris McCusker — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 07:02:53 -0500

Snapping knife hand and re adjusting said boot with an even worse job than he had that I shall supervise until properly completed

Response by SP6 Steve Robbins made Feb 6 at 2017 7:19 AM

SP6 Steve Robbins — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 07:19:01 -0500

Bring the smoke.

Response by CPT Ed Ferguson made Feb 6 at 2017 8:41 AM

CPT Ed Ferguson — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 08:41:17 -0500

I would make an example of the E2 in front of the platoon/company and process formal charges under the UCMJ.

Response by Sgt Jim Weaver made Feb 6 at 2017 9:04 AM

Sgt Jim Weaver — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 09:04:37 -0500

Set the example for all to see quick and decisive. Then make sure you take the time to council the Marine.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2017 9:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 09:36:03 -0500

As a Platoon SGT (E7) it is my job to politic for the betterment of my Platoon and than he Company. When confronted with said individual I dismissed everyone except the Asst PLT SGT his Squad Leaser and said soldier. Informed the NCOs of my expectations on the matter and instructed them to handle the situation the best way they seem fit. If they fail in correcting the situation than I would from punishing the individual to punishing the masses. Than I take money give extra shit details and than reduction in rank. And than when all else fails Discharged with othe than honorable conditions.

Response by SGT Michael Lee made Feb 6 at 2017 10:13 AM

SGT Michael Lee — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:13:06 -0500

I'd tell him or her, to fucking bad do what I tell ya. Then in private put the fear of God in their eyes.

Response by PO1 Bob Burrell made Feb 6 at 2017 10:31 AM

PO1 Bob Burrell — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:31:50 -0500

If no personal issues (i.e., family death) the EMI that bitch to death. If that don't work send him to the pad.

Response by Charlton Walker made Feb 6 at 2017 10:36 AM

Charlton Walker — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 10:36:33 -0500

If he's got the balls to stand up to an E5

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2017 11:09 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 11:09:32 -0500

Corrective training or maybe peer pressure

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Feb 6 at 2017 11:13 AM

SFC Jim Ruether — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 11:13:16 -0500

Everyone is dismissed except the mouth and another soldier on either end of the barracks as a witness, Counseling, Article 15, Then a lawful order to clean the latrine with a toothbrush.

Response by TSgt Joseph Segovia made Feb 6 at 2017 11:25 AM

TSgt Joseph Segovia — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 11:25:21 -0500

Get a shovel and start digging a hole all day long!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2017 11:37 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 11:37:28 -0500

This has happened to me in the past. I had a new PV2 start complaining on the task i put him on. I looked at him and asked if he wanted my job instead. He said yes and for an entire day I made him the section sergeant. Needless to say with in about 3 hours he came up to me and didn't want it any more. Never had a problem after that. I was a section sergeant as an E5 and had this other E5 mouth off to me and when he did it it was in front of the Soldiers. I got pissed and lost it, being backed by the PSG and the 1SG I smoked him for 2 hours. All of the other NCOs saw it as well as the Soldiers and never had another problem. Different Soldiers respond differently.

Response by SPC Jeff Ford Sr. made Feb 6 at 2017 11:39 AM

SPC Jeff Ford Sr. — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 11:39:35 -0500

Smoke him

Response by SPC William Mullis made Feb 6 at 2017 11:51 AM

SPC William Mullis — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 11:51:56 -0500

Stand on his boots so he cannot back up get eye ball to eyeball ,& loudly congratulate him on being the First Shirts shit list!?

Response by Philip Korodi made Feb 6 at 2017 12:02 PM

Philip Korodi — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:02:28 -0500

That becomes their task every day.

Response by PV2 Charlie Banke made Feb 6 at 2017 12:02 PM

PV2 Charlie Banke — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:02:28 -0500

We as soldiers enlist to receive duties from our commanders, to learn respect and proper etiquette of being an American Soldier. Sergeant did the right thing. Earn his respect from a lazy soldier.

Response by CPL Dan Jester made Feb 6 at 2017 12:26 PM

CPL Dan Jester — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:26:44 -0500

Wear him out as you explain to the rest of the soldiers that the chain of command is not a fairy tale and you are not your own... you were bought with a price ,first by God and second, by your country.

Response by Brian Stanley made Feb 6 at 2017 12:31 PM

Brian Stanley — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:31:26 -0500

Belly crawl for a mile, then make him stay up all night on fire watch. After that make him clean the bathroom with a damn tooth brush! RESPECT!

Response by A1C Matthew Hoffman made Feb 6 at 2017 12:52 PM

A1C Matthew Hoffman — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:52:19 -0500

Delegate them with the task and acknowledge the concern, addressing the behavior and ensuring they understand the appropriate way to complain. If the behavior continues, you don't want to take this to the next level.

Response by PO3 Matthew Carter made Feb 6 at 2017 1:19 PM

PO3 Matthew Carter — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:19:51 -0500

Counseling chit and tell him next time he will be talking to the LPO and LCPO

Response by SPC Sean Parker made Feb 6 at 2017 1:26 PM

SPC Sean Parker — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:26:53 -0500

Idk how the Army is now, towards the end of my reign we where not allowed to smoke soldiers. It was b.s. i would try to incorporate some "combatives training" or i would do paperwork, which i hate. Insubordination is a good one. Try to clip those litte pv2 mosquito wings off of him

Response by PO2 Luis Alberto Fundora made Feb 6 at 2017 1:46 PM

PO2 Luis Alberto Fundora — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:46:58 -0500

Pull aside

Response by PFC Bobby Hill made Feb 6 at 2017 2:09 PM

PFC Bobby Hill — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 14:09:36 -0500

Have an immediate and very thorough counseling session in private.

Response by Sgt Kenneth Duffield made Feb 6 at 2017 2:13 PM

Sgt Kenneth Duffield — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 14:13:35 -0500

tell tech e2 to set down the assignment and stand aside select the next recroot to pick up the assignment dismiss all troops to go forward as told.Have the e2 join you to the commanders office for clarification of there rank and if any punishment given.this type of arrogance can not be held in our armed forces. It can be life costly if it appears in battle .

Response by PO3 Lee Swendsen made Feb 6 at 2017 3:31 PM

PO3 Lee Swendsen — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 15:31:47 -0500

shoot him; nay, a warning and a flogging; nay, extra duty and a apology to all the troops in formation that day...also let him know, under no circumstances will this situation present itself again. A note in his/her file that explains that this disciplinary note will disappear if good conduct is observer for six months.

Response by SPC Chad Wheatley made Feb 6 at 2017 4:14 PM

SPC Chad Wheatley — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:14:27 -0500

Drop that MF

Response by SSG Robert Dazey made Feb 6 at 2017 5:22 PM

SSG Robert Dazey — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 17:22:19 -0500

I drop him then and there continue doing what I was doing dismiss everybody but one "battle buddy" and we do some PT. I have a special cadence for this kind of yahoo kinda shit he will cry and I will have his battle standing by so to ensure that it doesn't become a wall to wall and I will do every thing snuffy does every push up every lunge he will remember it and hopefully use it.

Response by Sgt David Williams made Feb 6 at 2017 5:58 PM

Sgt David Williams — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 17:58:52 -0500

Refuse a duty, write him up and request demotion to E1

Response by PFC Roger Burns made Feb 6 at 2017 6:32 PM

PFC Roger Burns — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 18:32:42 -0500

to hypothetical for my day,,, would never happen,,, but you know,, I'm old

Response by CMSgt Dave Knight made Feb 6 at 2017 6:59 PM

CMSgt Dave Knight — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 18:59:05 -0500

Massive amounts of PT right there right now

Response by Tim Stutts made Feb 6 at 2017 7:23 PM

Tim Stutts — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 19:23:32 -0500

Deal with it

Response by CPL John R Gulley made Feb 6 at 2017 7:53 PM

CPL John R Gulley — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 19:53:45 -0500

Throat punch

Response by SGT Michael Steelman made Feb 6 at 2017 8:32 PM

SGT Michael Steelman — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 20:32:18 -0500

what! soldier where do u think you r, this isn't Mcdonalds, this is the U>S> Army, and u will carry out the tasks i assigned you to, or we will be taken a different kind of action, one i know you will not like.

Response by Mara Gossman made Feb 6 at 2017 8:34 PM

Mara Gossman — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 20:34:44 -0500

Give them the shit job. They have no choice in the matter. Hirer ranking person told you to do it.

Response by Capt Bruce Robson made Feb 6 at 2017 9:16 PM

Capt Bruce Robson — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:16:34 -0500

Kick his ass!

Response by SN Terry Harriman made Feb 6 at 2017 9:43 PM

SN Terry Harriman — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:43:46 -0500

He would be doing push ups till he collapsed

Response by TSgt Ernie Mello made Feb 6 at 2017 9:48 PM

TSgt Ernie Mello — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:48:21 -0500

Report to my First Sgt.. Explain situation. Request that E2 visit Commander and be giving an Article 15

Response by TSgt Gerrald Manlavi made Feb 6 at 2017 10:20 PM

TSgt Gerrald Manlavi — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 22:20:36 -0500

Punish in private

Response by Sgt Amthony Kustelski made Feb 6 at 2017 10:22 PM

Sgt Amthony Kustelski — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 22:22:51 -0500

Make him get down an do 50 push ups...

Response by SSgt Jerry Waller made Feb 6 at 2017 10:33 PM

SSgt Jerry Waller — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 22:33:55 -0500

FLASH BACK 43 YEARS AGO FOR ME, 1 BN ALPHA CO PLATOON 115....oooo rah Semper Fi

Response by James Bedenbaugh made Feb 6 at 2017 11:49 PM

James Bedenbaugh — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 23:49:08 -0500

I am a civilian but have had leadership positions all my life - this actually happened to me. I asked all personnel to give me the room while I spoke with the offenders immediate superior and the insubordinate. I told his immediate superior we have obviously failed in management and he and I would correct this failure - there is no excuse for having a subordinate failing to respect our authority. Then I addressed the insubordinate: He will comply with any reasonable request and he would face disciplinary action consistent with corporate policy. Any future insubordination would result in immediate termination. The director in my area backed me 100% and the individual was demoted and put on probation - he also got all the shit jobs for the next 6 months and eventually quit.

Response by SP6 Jack Harrelson made Feb 7 at 2017 12:26 AM

SP6 Jack Harrelson — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 00:26:24 -0500

Give a directive order for the non military attitude e2 to fulfill his obligation to the company , counceling statement e2 and sign .

Response by Sgt Larry Pace made Feb 7 at 2017 1:00 AM

Sgt Larry Pace — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 01:00:32 -0500

Instantly up in their face..forcefully explaining what orders are...order them down for 50 push-ups. While they were doing the push-ups, I would remind the rest of the barracks as to the consequences of disobeying a direct order. Then they would do the task that they were ordered to do in the first place.

Response by PV2 Michael Hogan made Feb 7 at 2017 1:00 AM

PV2 Michael Hogan — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 01:00:55 -0500

Dismiss everyone besides the PFC who opened his mouth then once all others have been dismissed the Sgt x needs to show this PFC what respect for a higher rank means when an NCO tells you to do something you do it you don't ask questions and you sure in the hell don't mouth off to them hell they teach you that during in processing at basic before your drill Sgt even gets you

Response by CPL Cedric Cotton made Feb 7 at 2017 1:52 AM

CPL Cedric Cotton — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 01:52:34 -0500

I would tell him to run to a tree and tell the tree that he's a dumbass. Then I would make him do 5 five pushups. That's right. Just five pushups. For FIVE MINUTES. A set of five pushups lasting 5 minutes....EVERY TEN MINUTES.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 2:32 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 02:32:01 -0500

It's rare when I need to make an on the spot correction, however I try to practice escalation of force when doing so. Some troops legitimately don't know they're jacked up, others want to test boundaries, and some flat out don't care. A one size fits all approach typically does not yield the best results.

With that said, if I found out this was going on in my formation I would be livid. He would be an E1 as soon as I could get the paperwork through. I completely understand trying to find out what personal issues are behind their behavior, but there also needs to be consequences for blatant insubordination.

Response by CPL Tim Halpin made Feb 7 at 2017 3:05 AM

CPL Tim Halpin — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 03:05:31 -0500

let him wash pots and pans, police the grounds, or sit it out awaiting later counciling up to an art 15

Response by SFC Kodi Knight made Feb 7 at 2017 6:28 AM

SFC Kodi Knight — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 06:28:37 -0500

Smoke him until he pukes and then put him to work.

Response by A1C Joe Koger made Feb 7 at 2017 7:39 AM

A1C Joe Koger — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 07:39:44 -0500

Call an AP

Response by SPC James Forbes made Feb 7 at 2017 8:07 AM

SPC James Forbes — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 08:07:18 -0500

First I would wonder how in hell he made it through boot camp to question an order/assignment. Then I'd call him out front and center. Ask him a question or two very gently as to not upset him like; with the brim of my hat bouncing off his forehead ask without too much spit flying out of my mouth. What are you doing in my army!? Where are you from!? Do you believe you're in command here!?! CAN I BE IN CHARGE FOR A WHILE?!? Then call the platoon to attention. Half right face. You know what comes next. (Preparatory command) in the front and leaning rest position; (command of execution) move! Push-ups forever; begin!

Response by Conrad Hersom made Feb 7 at 2017 8:51 AM

Conrad Hersom — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 08:51:36 -0500

Discipline

Response by CPL Steve Bullard made Feb 7 at 2017 8:59 AM

CPL Steve Bullard — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 08:59:14 -0500

he would get all of the worst dutys that there is and he would stand there at an atenson until I got him under stand on who out ranks who if it wosent for the e-5 he just mite be dead in combat like it or hate it its a job that some ones going to do the army is the best place for young men and women to day thanks to the army I got my ged and some college and had a grate job I would do it all over again if I was young again THANK YOU ARMY for what you have done for me LOVE THAT ARMY LIFE

Response by Capt Marvin Light made Feb 7 at 2017 9:01 AM

Capt Marvin Light — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 09:01:36 -0500

A throat punch is letting the E-2 off to easy. Individuals that are this insubordinate know only disrespect. Put them in their place at once. If afterwards the attitude is the same, then start with ART15 proceedings. Individuals like that are nothing but cowards anyways. Do not let them out, (that is what they probably want anyway) make them commit to the term of their enlistment, but make it a nightmare until they see the light and make a change.

Response by CPL Joey Wilkes made Feb 7 at 2017 10:14 AM

CPL Joey Wilkes — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:14:36 -0500

First finish what I was doing then were going for a ride and alittle talk"

Response by SGT Tom Bruhn made Feb 7 at 2017 10:27 AM

SGT Tom Bruhn — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:27:58 -0500

Massive corrective action!

Response by CPT Randy Davis made Feb 7 at 2017 10:33 AM

CPT Randy Davis — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:33:39 -0500

I don't know how it would be handled in "Todays" Army but I can assure you it would NOT have been Tolerated and Dealt with Accordingly

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 10:35 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:35:36 -0500

Make an example out of him and assign him some one else's task as well for being a smart ass

Response by Cpl Carl Russell made Feb 7 at 2017 11:21 AM

Cpl Carl Russell — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 11:21:20 -0500

I'd give him fire watch after I chewed his ass .

Response by PFC Tim Gash made Feb 7 at 2017 11:31 AM

PFC Tim Gash — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 11:31:19 -0500

This person would be told if he doesn't follow orders he will get office hours.

Response by SFC William Byrne made Feb 7 at 2017 12:15 PM

SFC William Byrne — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 12:15:42 -0500

This would depend on what kind of soldier the E2 has been. If this is an isolated incident and kid is going through a rough time I simply do a 4856 because he defied me in front of junior soldiers clearly stating that if this type behavior becomes a pattern will have to follow with UCMJ.
If the E-2 is a proven dirt bag run this incident up the chain of command recommending UCMJ

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 12:25 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 12:25:43 -0500

Scream in his face, and send him to the CO

Response by MAJ Lew Jennings made Feb 7 at 2017 12:30 PM

MAJ Lew Jennings — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 12:30:28 -0500

Push ups, extra duty, restriction, order all hands to assist the individual in performance of the task. No physical touching as you go to jail for that now.

Response by SFC Donald Paxton made Feb 7 at 2017 12:47 PM

SFC Donald Paxton — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 12:47:03 -0500

Slap the fire out of him.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 1:11 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:11:36 -0500

If you can out push me with 3 count push ups. I'll give the task to someone else... If you can't! This will be your additional duty till you PCS, plus the smoking your gonna get after it's been completed, for disrespecting a NCO! This is your only option!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 1:24 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:24:29 -0500

React with i nice little smoke session

Response by Sgt Randall Willis made Feb 7 at 2017 1:34 PM

Sgt Randall Willis — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:34:05 -0500

send him to the commanding officer and let bust him down to E1 and spend a few days in the brig or choose to get his butt
out of service.

Response by LCpl Cj Shumate made Feb 7 at 2017 1:36 PM

LCpl Cj Shumate — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:36:01 -0500

If I could I would throat punch him lol. But probably njp

Response by PO1 Ron Humphrey made Feb 7 at 2017 1:49 PM

PO1 Ron Humphrey — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 13:49:12 -0500

Tell him to shut his FUCKING pie hole and turn two!

Response by PO1 Anthony Bailey made Feb 7 at 2017 2:21 PM

PO1 Anthony Bailey — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 14:21:34 -0500

I took my problem child a storeroom and WORKED it out! Never had a issue again.

Response by PO2 Justin Calvin made Feb 7 at 2017 2:24 PM

PO2 Justin Calvin — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 14:24:11 -0500

Depends on the situation, however, I would discipline with pt, immediately. Then have him conduct the order directly after. Reminding him the job would have been easier not tired from pt.

Or, I would drag him into the office have a formal discussion if not written.

Response by SPC David Gamble made Feb 7 at 2017 2:34 PM

SPC David Gamble — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 14:34:31 -0500

Front lean and restposition MOVE!

Response by PFC Trevor Woodham made Feb 7 at 2017 3:49 PM

PFC Trevor Woodham — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 15:49:17 -0500

Make an example out if them. They will do flutter kicks untill I puke.

Response by PVT Richard May made Feb 7 at 2017 3:49 PM

PVT Richard May — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 15:49:50 -0500

I don't care what that person is going through - they have no right to tell an E5 (or even an E4) to shove it.
If the person is having issues with other people in the unit and are getting harassed - or a personal issue has caused them some problems - they need to pull the E5 off to the side and request a private meeting to work something out.

To me, that E2 was ready for a good old fashion ass kicking.

Response by SPC Pete Carle made Feb 7 at 2017 4:13 PM

SPC Pete Carle — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:13:05 -0500

I would have the E2 put up for an artical 15 for failing to obey a superior Enlisted person who is in charge of him

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 4:20 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:20:41 -0500

Definitely throat punch

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 4:45 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:45:13 -0500

Article 15 and post for all to see. Air Assault!

Response by SGT Rodney Butler made Feb 7 at 2017 5:08 PM

SGT Rodney Butler — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:08:16 -0500

First you get their attention by a quick smack in the mouth then I think they would be online or court-martial

Response by SCPO Brian Pretty made Feb 7 at 2017 5:27 PM

SCPO Brian Pretty — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:27:51 -0500

He or she would receive intensive military retraining

Response by PFC Joel Gutierrez made Feb 7 at 2017 5:27 PM

PFC Joel Gutierrez — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:27:52 -0500

Smoke the shit out of them

Response by Bill Schaefer made Feb 7 at 2017 5:59 PM

Bill Schaefer — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:59:19 -0500

I would have him fall out and report to me in my office. than I would tell him to be on my dirty list that means that every day he will have a list to do by the time dinner - if not dome he will be last man in line at dinner, Breakfast and Lunch - If anything is left over after all is passed out. He will soon get the idea CCMSGT

Response by Captain Mike Moe made Feb 7 at 2017 6:11 PM

Captain Mike Moe — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:11:59 -0500

8hrs pt

Response by SSG A.K Lockhart made Feb 7 at 2017 6:11 PM

SSG A.K Lockhart — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:11:59 -0500

Front, Lean and Rest Position, GO

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 6:16 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:16:57 -0500

Destroy him

Response by Cpl Kyle Vogel made Feb 7 at 2017 6:30 PM

Cpl Kyle Vogel — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:30:27 -0500

You dismiss everyone but him and the squad/section leader. Climb up one side then down the other on the section leader and give the offender toilet cleaning duty for the nexy 30 days. between the toilet cleaning and now his section leader dogging him, he will hopefully learn a lesson. if not, then office hours as we called it, or Captain's mass and bust him down to private or bad conduct discharge. Insubordinate pukes get marines killed in combat!

Response by PFC Kent Ferguson made Feb 7 at 2017 6:42 PM

PFC Kent Ferguson — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 18:42:01 -0500

Calmly ask him if there's a problem. If he still continues, smoke him until he's swimming

Response by Thursa Kirby made Feb 7 at 2017 7:00 PM

Thursa Kirby — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:00:31 -0500

i knock that 2 right off his uniform

Response by LtCol Matthew Ferguson made Feb 7 at 2017 7:27 PM

LtCol Matthew Ferguson — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:27:04 -0500

As this happens in formation in front of everyone else, it is a challenge to authority. Most likely, this Marine already has a reputation, but assuming it is a one off event, there are a couple of options: Call the formation to attention and dismiss, have the PFC stand fast for further discussion. He's more than likely going to end up with NJP "office hours" with the Company Commander, but maybe there is some underlying issue that the young Marine needs help with. Extra duties around the BN spaces on the weekends, etcetera.

Response by Ronald Matthews made Feb 7 at 2017 7:27 PM

Ronald Matthews — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:27:27 -0500

Spinkicking shit

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 7:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:32:55 -0500

Tell him he has become my shadow for the day and when I stop moving he will be in front leaning rest

Response by CPL Charlie Perez made Feb 7 at 2017 7:39 PM

CPL Charlie Perez — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:39:46 -0500

Smoke the shit out of him!

Response by PO3 Brian Crisp made Feb 7 at 2017 7:41 PM

PO3 Brian Crisp — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:41:42 -0500

We cant have flowers protecting our borders

Response by Jakiyah Williams made Feb 7 at 2017 7:58 PM

Jakiyah Williams — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 19:58:56 -0500

Throat punch

Response by Dee Vanad made Feb 7 at 2017 8:04 PM

Dee Vanad — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:04:01 -0500

Throat punch to ground

Response by SSG Russ Schrivner made Feb 7 at 2017 8:23 PM

SSG Russ Schrivner — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:23:11 -0500

Discipline

Response by SN Ricky Jackson made Feb 7 at 2017 8:42 PM

SN Ricky Jackson — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:42:54 -0500

Take him behind closed doors and find what's bothering him and if nothing is and he just doesn't like the job task given then article 15..

Response by Cpl Joseph Wantland made Feb 7 at 2017 8:49 PM

Cpl Joseph Wantland — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 20:49:14 -0500

WTF, Oh hell no. You have 4 min. and 30 sec to get that shit done. Now

Response by SFC Bruce Christman made Feb 7 at 2017 9:02 PM

SFC Bruce Christman — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:02:07 -0500

Send him to the dentist to get fitted for front teeth.

Response by SGT Torres Joshua made Feb 7 at 2017 9:02 PM

SGT Torres Joshua — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:02:43 -0500

I would probably make him watch me scuff up his battle buddies give him paper work and give him every shit detail.

Response by Billy Duffy made Feb 7 at 2017 9:09 PM

Billy Duffy — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:09:52 -0500

Front leaning rest for 12 hours

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 9:16 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:16:40 -0500

Let him/her know that it is a one way conversation and responses/opinions are not necessary. Then pull them aside afterwards and get down to the nuts and bolts of why they decided to put their two cents in. If there are underlying (off duty or outside) issues then hangle it accordingly. But if it is just insubordination then lay the smack down. Counseling is a must with some sort of paperwork to annotate a possible turd in the work center. But definitely say something tactfully and professionally to the individual in front of their peers to let everyone see that it won't be tolerated and you won't be punked like that by a lower ranking individual. Besides I got more time in the chow hall bathroom than they have in the military.

Response by SFC Wendi Brown made Feb 7 at 2017 9:30 PM

SFC Wendi Brown — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:30:46 -0500

The military sure has changed since 1982!!

Response by SPC Chris Logan made Feb 7 at 2017 9:32 PM

SPC Chris Logan — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:32:09 -0500

Tell that yard birds and squad leader to stand fast, dismiss all others to their assigned duties.
After all have vacated either contact the top or have the squad leader hold your stripes. With no rank involved conclude the business of insubordination. If that does not finish it then it is time to go up the chain of command.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 9:34 PM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:34:39 -0500

I am new to the armed forces, but technically an NCO of higher ranks has the command to make the choice on whether or not a smart lower rank person can be rude to him or not. I would never in my life talk like that to an NCO that was in charge of me or my squadron. For one, it is disrespectful and could cause more harm than good when it is brought up to higher NCOs, you will be on their watch and they will see to it, you are their first priority to be taken care of and told of your orders on whether there will be punishment or you will be relieved of all orders and sent packing.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2017 9:42 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 21:42:25 -0500

See me after formation... Smoke the dog shit out of him... If that dont help counseling statement, article 15 ect..

Response by SP5 Ronald Miller made Feb 7 at 2017 10:50 PM

SP5 Ronald Miller — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 22:50:54 -0500

Show him my two BRONZE STARS from Nam & ask him if he had any more dumb ass remarks???!!!

Response by Cpl Justin Easton made Feb 7 at 2017 10:52 PM

Cpl Justin Easton — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 22:52:26 -0500

Time to freak the hell out on a monstrous ass chewing

Response by PO3 Colin Harris made Feb 7 at 2017 10:58 PM

PO3 Colin Harris — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 22:58:10 -0500

Throat punch

Response by SGT James Yoo made Feb 7 at 2017 11:16 PM

SGT James Yoo — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 23:16:41 -0500

Choke slam them

Response by SSgt James Nicholas made Feb 7 at 2017 11:48 PM

SSgt James Nicholas — Tue, 07 Feb 2017 23:48:39 -0500

Straight blast him out of his boots. You don't ever mouth off to your NCOIC or D.I.

Response by PO1 Christopher Heatherly made Feb 8 at 2017 12:04 AM

PO1 Christopher Heatherly — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 00:04:06 -0500

Put a huge coat of smoke on his fng ass

Response by SPC Terrell Martin made Feb 8 at 2017 3:39 AM

SPC Terrell Martin — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 03:39:45 -0500

Someone failed to "educate" this young cruit. Back in the day, no one questioned, or refused an order. FIrst off, at the first words of refusal in front of others, they would get dressed down in front of those that are present, to insure that all knows who is on charge, and all know the consequences of insubordination in the open, if the insubordination occurs in private, then perhaps a private talk is in order, but still, the e2 still needs to know in uncertain terms that this is not acceptable.

Response by 1LT Luis Duran made Feb 8 at 2017 4:36 AM

1LT Luis Duran — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 04:36:55 -0500

The value of respect has to be instilled in all who serve. No wavering at all. Respect the rank at minimum.

Response by Sgt Jason Wenquist made Feb 8 at 2017 5:01 AM

Sgt Jason Wenquist — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:01:15 -0500

Discipline is the instant willing obedience to all orders. You can't allow this to happen anywhere because it may then happen in combat and cost lives and mission success.

Response by CPL Eyck Heppner made Feb 8 at 2017 5:01 AM

CPL Eyck Heppner — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:01:16 -0500

Heart punch

Response by SPC Roger Martin made Feb 8 at 2017 5:03 AM

SPC Roger Martin — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:03:40 -0500

Discpline

Response by PV2 Michael Rantz made Feb 8 at 2017 5:29 AM

PV2 Michael Rantz — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:29:38 -0500

I was an E2, you don't do it! I was in the 82nd back in mid 80's. I saw the decline of respect then.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 8 at 2017 5:49 AM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:49:12 -0500

From my humble view, and I got out in 1993, I had the same thing happen while deployed; A PVT said "no I will not do it". I asked him again and explained that although it is no ones favourite detail, that this is mission essential and I only choose those who I know will get the job done". He stood his ground and balled his fists and clenched his teeth. I made the statement that he needs to go cool down and we speak later.
Later in a one on one he simply said he is tired of being in the desert and he is sick of being the private, he could not see the importance of this task for the mission. I let him go with a warning, counselled him and said that setting the example goes both ways; up and down, that he is a good soldier and I too am ready to go home so lets let it go.
the CSM heard all this and told me I did the right thing but at the next smallest detail, I need to lean on him hard.
That night I made the rounds to check the guards on the perimeter, I looked at who was missing and it was the same PVT, fast asleep in his fart sack...needless to say he got an Article 15 the very next day. If a soldier is a bad apple, he will remain a bad apple and the time will come where discipline is inevitable.
The real point here is your authority; did you keep control of the situation no matter what, were you calm and not emotional and did you end the discussion or did he. These points matter when other troops are watching. Remember: People follow leaders they respect, they dont follow anyone out of respect for the rank.
Good luck.

Response by Sabah Heim made Feb 8 at 2017 5:50 AM

Sabah Heim — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:50:16 -0500

Discipline

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 8 at 2017 5:50 AM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 05:50:50 -0500

Response by SGT Brent Shires made Feb 8 at 2017 6:36 AM

SGT Brent Shires — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 06:36:42 -0500

tell them to lock it up their at the position of attention. then take him or her of the side with another NCO and have them explain themselves. Sometimes an Art 15 or personal counseling will fit. Explain to them there is a right way and a wrong way to say things in the Army but commands can never be left open for the individual to follow.

Response by SSG Iver Small made Feb 8 at 2017 6:48 AM

SSG Iver Small — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 06:48:09 -0500

Give him the day off give all his buddies double duty

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 7:04 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:04:57 -0500

PRETTY DAM EASY ! As an E5 to an e2/3, wack him up side the head or UCMJ the smart mouth for disrespect & in subordination. If you give the person that just means some one else has to 'supervise' him.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 7:10 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:10:36 -0500

Skull drag through the dirt for starters.

Response by LCpl Scott Schiller made Feb 8 at 2017 7:16 AM

LCpl Scott Schiller — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:16:12 -0500

Give him that job and everyone else's for the rest of the week and calm explain it can always go out back

Response by PO2 Charles Rothmund made Feb 8 at 2017 7:20 AM

PO2 Charles Rothmund — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:20:55 -0500

I'm with PO Thomasson.
I probably would have told him he didn't have to do it, give it to someone else, then make life one long latrine cleaning adventure until the light dawned. The first time. Automatic write up for anything after that following proper proceedure

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 7:37 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:37:25 -0500

As an NCO I would have quickly corrected it. Now I let other NCOs handle it.

Response by SSgt Jessie Bolado made Feb 8 at 2017 7:47 AM

SSgt Jessie Bolado — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:47:20 -0500

We all have a different leadership style, however i never agreed by leadership by a pen. TSgt Earl Needham and I agree with how to handle it. If I even think my authority has been challenged in public, which has happened once or twice, i instantly correct said problem in formation and publicly loudly and aggressively. Example is made that insubordination will be dealt with quickly and firmly. As a bonus PFC Shitbird, will be a master ninja at the art of performing on working whenever they came along until I believe a lesson has been learned. Instant obedience to orders, which if you have shown leadership by example this issue should rarely happen. Once again everyone's leadership style is different.

Response by SPC Tom Stacey made Feb 8 at 2017 7:55 AM

SPC Tom Stacey — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 07:55:39 -0500

With military bearing. Enligtnen your soldier of where they are and what responsibilities they have.

Response by SP5 Daniel Morea made Feb 8 at 2017 8:00 AM

SP5 Daniel Morea — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:00:56 -0500

The proper manner to handle such a situation, would be to have the trooper understand that while wearing this uniform, legal requests are to be obeyed and followed through. That only through team work and unity can the company complete its mission. This is part of the oath the soldier took when he or she was sworn in.

Response by PO2 Katie Mercado made Feb 8 at 2017 8:29 AM

PO2 Katie Mercado — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:29:05 -0500

It's happened to me before. What I want to do isn't what I should do. We should be able to go blow for blow in the tool room until I show them who's in charge. Now days you have to bow out or they will complain to the upper echelon and then you get reprimanded. I would now tell them if they didn't do it, I would write them up. That's all you can do. Make a paper trail. It really goes nowhere so this is indefinitely ineffective. It's all bullshit really

Response by COL Scott Pacello made Feb 8 at 2017 8:45 AM

COL Scott Pacello — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:45:46 -0500

Not very well. Hand him over to the NCO's to sort him out.

Response by PV2 Josh Taylor made Feb 8 at 2017 8:50 AM

PV2 Josh Taylor — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 08:50:24 -0500

The cake eater getting smoked like Marlboro

Response by Cpl Bud Wilson made Feb 8 at 2017 9:08 AM

Cpl Bud Wilson — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 09:08:15 -0500

Take little E2s smartphone and shove it up his ass elbow deep!! Cause you know it's in his pocket

Response by G Rahn made Feb 8 at 2017 9:57 AM

G Rahn — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 09:57:44 -0500

Slap time

Response by SFC James Mullins made Feb 8 at 2017 10:09 AM

SFC James Mullins — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 10:09:01 -0500

Push ups till he drops

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 10:19 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 10:19:40 -0500

Article 31 and 98

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 10:21 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 10:21:28 -0500

Article 31 and 98

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 11:07 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 11:07:58 -0500

You are senor to him and he should respect rank.

Response by SGT Michael Eaton made Feb 8 at 2017 11:22 AM

SGT Michael Eaton — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 11:22:45 -0500

When I was in you were no longer allowed to hit a soldier unless they showed aggression first. Have the soldier remain behind with his team leader inform him where his attitude will lead him. Give him a month extra duty, make sure the counseling is recorded and recommend a talk with the chaplain. Afterwards talk to team leader about soldier privately.

Response by Sgt Gustavo Zendejas made Feb 8 at 2017 11:25 AM

Sgt Gustavo Zendejas — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 11:25:34 -0500

Knife hand and shit details

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 11:31 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 11:31:17 -0500

For whatever reason,I had never run into this issue. That being said, I was known for hard drinking and absolutely no BS!. I had a pick named "attitude", and a shovel named "adjustment", and with them I filed out "CONCURRENT TRAINING" on the digging of a proper military fighting position, and ensured to remain environmentally conscious to make him fill it back in so as not to violate the environment. I know what you're thinking , and yes I am ECO FRIENDLY!!

Response by SGT Marcus Mason made Feb 8 at 2017 11:56 AM

SGT Marcus Mason — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 11:56:27 -0500

Let's see Priate. You don't want to do the work, that's fine. Squad Atten...tion. Half right face. Everyone except Priate NoWork Dis..Missed untill 1300. Priate NoWork Front leaning rest position... Move. Inca..dance. 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3. 1SGT walks by. Excuse me Top, I will have a Counselling Statement to you by this afternoon, this young Soldier states that he is not going to do the work assigned to him. Priate NoWork, you and I will be doing the Whole Squads work today. By we I mean you while I Supervise, and write this counselling. Turn the counselling into my Platoon Sgt to revue, and have the Private sign the Counselling and hand deliver it to the 1SGT. Thank you for your time. SGT(E5) retired Marcus Mason

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 12:01 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:01:01 -0500

give him more assignments and give him a rediculous amount of knowledge to learn for the next morning. Test his knowledge after pt and if he doesnt know something, slay his ass

Response by 1SG Jay Vanderford made Feb 8 at 2017 12:02 PM

1SG Jay Vanderford — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:02:32 -0500

Well, the fact that this PVT has decided to mouth off to you in front of his peers shows he has no respect for you, for what ever reason, hopefully not because you are friends in anyway with your subordinates. I have sen a lot of E5,s remain friends with their E4 counterparts, its a no win no win situation, beyond CPL one of the hardest ranks because you must separate from your friends, at least until they make the grade. I was mouthed off to by an E4P that thought because he was promotable he outranked me as a non-promotable CPL, NOT. If a Soldier wants to mouth off in public, smoke that ass right there and have him remain in the lean and rest until you dismiss everyone else and follow up the corrective discussion with written counseling, you may have to resort to an Article 15 down the road with that brain surgeon. If you do nothing, or wait, you will be weakened in the eyes of those that were witness, you will have just flushed your stripes down the toilet. You never let anyone talk down to you if you are an NCO, not higher or lower, if you do, you will never have the trust and respect of those Soldiers you are to lead.

Response by SFC James Asbill made Feb 8 at 2017 12:40 PM

SFC James Asbill — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:40:28 -0500

Any one else remember School of the Soldier ??

Response by SSgt Paul Stephan made Feb 8 at 2017 12:47 PM

SSgt Paul Stephan — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:47:27 -0500

I'd just shrug and tell them they really don't have a choice, and walk away.

Response by PO3 Rus Halvorson made Feb 8 at 2017 12:48 PM

PO3 Rus Halvorson — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:48:52 -0500

Don't know about this day and time... In the late 70's when I was in you would knock him on his ass.... And DARE him to complain....

Response by Margaret Hammonds made Feb 8 at 2017 12:55 PM

Margaret Hammonds — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:55:39 -0500

Give them a toothbrush and a latrine.

Response by SGT Al Lea made Feb 8 at 2017 12:57 PM

SGT Al Lea — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:57:58 -0500

Smoke session

Response by SGT Jason Tremblay made Feb 8 at 2017 12:59 PM

SGT Jason Tremblay — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 12:59:21 -0500

Being a fair nco I am assuming that they don't have a legitimate gripe.....keep in mind that it would have been handled differently in the old days.....today's army would have me writing out paperwork under the ucmj. Possibly extra duty. Loss of pay. I guess the extent would depend on.....how the soldier normally acts and did he pull this in front of other soldiers.

Response by SSgt Sharon Davis made Feb 8 at 2017 1:05 PM

SSgt Sharon Davis — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:05:09 -0500

He'd better be sick with food poisoning or something. If not he'd be disciplined after he finished doing what I said. I refused to go out to fix a plane one day. I never refused even when I know I did most of the work all week damn it! Anyway, I was ordered on the truck I got on when I got to the plane I could barely get up. The dumb ass kept ordering me to get out he thought I was playing around but he was still pissed. He sent someone out on the job and went back to the shop all ready to write me up. I couldn't care. We got back to the shop I couldn't get up. He's still yelling like a fool. Some of the guys help me off the truck and I spit up like you wouldn't believe and I literally walk a few steps and pass out. I remember them picking me up in a chair and wheeling me to a car and taking me to the clinic (there was no hospital in that base). I thought I was going to die. Well, he believed me then and someone had a mess to clean up. Next couple of days he's apologizing like crazy.

Response by Paula Everett made Feb 8 at 2017 1:22 PM

Paula Everett — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:22:40 -0500

Punish their battle buddy.

Response by James Harper made Feb 8 at 2017 1:30 PM

James Harper — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:30:07 -0500

Grab his little smart ass pull him forward so he is front of everyone to be an example and ask him if he is ready for his ass kicking for insubordination or would he prefer to change his answer. There has to be complete authority in the chain of command both on base and in the field. If the lower rank had a problem with the assignment he should have assessed it in private and respectfully with his superior.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 1:37 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:37:49 -0500

Respond by turning the formation over to your Next in line, have Mr. Mouth follow you to your office. Commence to asking him if everything is alright with him. If yes, tell him to come to attention and advise him if he ever speaks to you like that again in formation he will wish he hadn't. If there is a problem (personal/financial, etc.), explain to him that you're on his side and that you are there to help him. THEN explain to him how counterproductive it is to undermine your authority in formation. Management ain't easy!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 2:09 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:09:41 -0500

At bootcamp, "hazing" fixed the problem really quick. It's a shame you can't fix the ones that need fixing, with the most effective way anymore.

Response by Capt Chuck Ward made Feb 8 at 2017 2:38 PM

Capt Chuck Ward — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:38:42 -0500

Scolding as an example before whole unit

Response by LT Joe Kerley made Feb 8 at 2017 3:25 PM

LT Joe Kerley — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:25:12 -0500

Take him to the Bosun locker for counseling. (Yeah, I'm old school)

Response by James LeGate made Feb 8 at 2017 3:27 PM

James LeGate — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 15:27:04 -0500

Whole platoon do 200 pushups

Response by SPC Tommy Dean made Feb 8 at 2017 4:03 PM

SPC Tommy Dean — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 16:03:17 -0500

PT him/her, until they puke. Then, they clean up the puke. Repeat. Two or three days should do it.

Response by PO3 Mac Humber made Feb 8 at 2017 4:07 PM

PO3 Mac Humber — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 16:07:33 -0500

Pull him aside for a"private" counselling session. Send him to Captain's Mast for disobeying a direct order.

Response by SA Scotty Carter made Feb 8 at 2017 4:29 PM

SA Scotty Carter — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 16:29:48 -0500

First, sit the individual down in private. 2nd, inform him/her of the repercussions of not following a legal order from a superior officer. 3rd, if he/she still refuses the order, send to X.O.I. for referral to Captain's mast or other disciplinary action.

Response by SSG Jeremy Ellis made Feb 8 at 2017 4:40 PM

SSG Jeremy Ellis — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 16:40:10 -0500

Remind E2 that he is property of The United States of America and going forward this will be HIS duty until he has perfected it. Make it known a fixed eye will be upon him whilst doing this duty. After a few weeks of this, give some praise as his work ethic for said duty should be perfected. Then, give him tougher duty and make the example for all to see

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 4:47 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 16:47:57 -0500

Push ups

Response by A1C Bob Wazowski made Feb 8 at 2017 5:01 PM

A1C Bob Wazowski — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:01:48 -0500

It happened in my basic flight. The TI dumped on the whole flight and told us to deal with it. Just don't go too far.

Response by SSG Aaron Hoover made Feb 8 at 2017 5:12 PM

SSG Aaron Hoover — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:12:54 -0500

Handle it outside. Away from formation. Stand fast after formation. Once in private, ensure water source is available. Commence skill based physical training(i.e. IMT, high/low crawl etc) all the while delivering verbal explanation of what team work means to the unit and what it should mean to the individual. Recover on a good note. Sease any further corrective action unless needed. Maintain individual on "detail" list for extended period of time if needed. If problem continues, attempt as many efforts avoiding paper trail but not to the point where it's doing more harm than good. All at leaders discression coupled with case by case basis.

Response by Jamaal Pryor made Feb 8 at 2017 5:41 PM

Jamaal Pryor — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:41:35 -0500

Very disruptive

Response by SGT Tommy Pike made Feb 8 at 2017 6:08 PM

SGT Tommy Pike — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:08:44 -0500

Smoke his ass

Response by Tyler TenBrink made Feb 8 at 2017 6:19 PM

Tyler TenBrink — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:19:01 -0500

PT them until they puke

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 6:19 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:19:21 -0500

It happened once to me as a PO3, some AR appeared dubious about an instruction. I just said stand fast after dismisiing the work detail. Left him standing there untill all work had finished (good three hours, more or less). Then asked him if he would like to do what was asked of him or if he wanted to stay there overnight and see the skipper on the morning. He did his job, never again, he was cured...

Response by SPC Ira Smith made Feb 8 at 2017 6:20 PM

SPC Ira Smith — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:20:57 -0500

He is Lead E-5 then he has the right to discipline him.

Response by SSG Jackie Rivas-Martinez made Feb 8 at 2017 6:24 PM

SSG Jackie Rivas-Martinez — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:24:45 -0500

I will have the PV2 and the squad leader stand by and release the rest of the PLT. And let the PV2 know that they do have a choice in the matter they will do the job that they were told to do. Look at the squad LDR and tell them that I want a counseling statement by lunch time on my desk and have the Soldier report to me for another one for them to sign. Have corrective training done to the Soldier this way they will know that when they are told to do something they are expected to do it without any questions unless it is putting someone's life in danger. If the behavior continues UCMJ actions will be followed. Soldiers now a days believe they everything should be explained to them as to why we need them to do things if they don't want to don't things they don't think they should do it it's that kind of thinking that is going to get them or someone else hurt or killed in a combat situation. They are grown adults they signed on the dotted line you are a private you don't get a choice to ask questions to do what you are told.

Response by Cpl Martin Olvera made Feb 8 at 2017 6:25 PM

Cpl Martin Olvera — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:25:20 -0500

Take him to the back room and show him how to respect orders

Response by SP6 Jason Jeppesen made Feb 8 at 2017 6:34 PM

SP6 Jason Jeppesen — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:34:08 -0500

Push ups

Response by LCpl Steven Lonergan made Feb 8 at 2017 7:06 PM

LCpl Steven Lonergan — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:06:39 -0500

Problem has already been going on way to long. Back in the day a NCO would have had a E-3 take care of it at the bar or out on the town.

Now that it's escalated this far in today's environment, it's a matter of a lot of shining brass, boots, and squaring away the squad Bay and zero liberty.

Response by Mark Johnson made Feb 8 at 2017 7:34 PM

Mark Johnson — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:34:49 -0500

Smack upside the head

Response by COL Marty Badegian made Feb 8 at 2017 7:52 PM

COL Marty Badegian — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:52:41 -0500

Dismiss formation except for problem children. March insubordinates to private office and have "come to Jesus" conversation.

Response by Brandon Koenige made Feb 8 at 2017 8:00 PM

Brandon Koenige — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:00:29 -0500

I'd of pt'd him till he died. Furthermore, he'd of been getting the lowest dirt job I could find, and I'd also look into a demotion.

Response by SGT Michael Williams made Feb 8 at 2017 8:02 PM

SGT Michael Williams — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:02:54 -0500

Absolute dumbass

Response by SGT Richard McArthur made Feb 8 at 2017 8:25 PM

SGT Richard McArthur — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:25:23 -0500

You report him and start disciplinary action. The fact pattern is one of blatant insubordination.

Response by Sgt George Gomez made Feb 8 at 2017 8:37 PM

Sgt George Gomez — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:37:26 -0500

Last warning to comply then re commend to dischipline

Response by PFC Johnny Seward Jr made Feb 8 at 2017 8:46 PM

PFC Johnny Seward Jr — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:46:56 -0500

Push-ups till I got tired, then cleaning tasks till I thought he/she learned the meaning of following orders.

Response by SP5 John Courtney made Feb 8 at 2017 8:52 PM

SP5 John Courtney — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:52:32 -0500

All I can say is that in an airborne infantry unit, this E-2 would only make that mistake one time.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Feb 8 at 2017 8:52 PM

LCpl Cody Collins — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 20:52:43 -0500

I feel sorry for that E-2

Response by Sgt Larry Douglas made Feb 8 at 2017 9:14 PM

Sgt Larry Douglas — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:14:59 -0500

Correct his attitude then and there !

Response by SGT Chad Fenwick made Feb 8 at 2017 9:19 PM

SGT Chad Fenwick — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:19:34 -0500

Smoke them until the medics panic

Response by SSG Robert Martin made Feb 8 at 2017 9:19 PM

SSG Robert Martin — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:19:35 -0500

You pull that soldier out of line, follow the chain of command for immediate counciling statement and recommend an Article 15. Disobeying a direct order.

Response by Cpl Charles Homer made Feb 8 at 2017 9:24 PM

Cpl Charles Homer — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:24:12 -0500

Old skool out behind the barracks, aditude adjustment

Response by LCpl Malique Blake made Feb 8 at 2017 9:24 PM

LCpl Malique Blake — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:24:42 -0500

Means someone wants some one one "pt time"

Response by Sgt Michael Fleet made Feb 8 at 2017 9:26 PM

Sgt Michael Fleet — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:26:44 -0500

Extra duty with counciling keep a paper trail when enough njp with request for CCP if your base has one avalible

Response by CPL Dewey Meador made Feb 8 at 2017 9:27 PM

CPL Dewey Meador — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:27:22 -0500

Smoke him till he cannot move then make him do the assignment anyways..... you cannot pass certain duties off on someone else in war

Response by PFC David Ladner made Feb 8 at 2017 9:47 PM

PFC David Ladner — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:47:43 -0500

Punch in the mouth and work his sorry ass in the ground.

Response by SPC Shawn Cox made Feb 8 at 2017 9:50 PM

SPC Shawn Cox — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:50:19 -0500

I would drop them right there, if that didnt work I would take them to next in chain of command and request an article 15 for insubordination.

Response by SPC Shawn Cox made Feb 8 at 2017 9:50 PM

SPC Shawn Cox — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:50:19 -0500

I would drop them right there, if that didnt work I would take them to next in chain of command and request an article 15 for insubordination.

Response by SPC Shawn Cox made Feb 8 at 2017 9:50 PM

SPC Shawn Cox — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:50:20 -0500

I would drop them right there, if that didnt work I would take them to next in chain of command and request an article 15 for insubordination.

Response by David Johnson made Feb 8 at 2017 9:51 PM

David Johnson — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:51:38 -0500

I'd punch him in the throat..
And say now do you understand who's
In control here?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 10:04 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:04:09 -0500

Some old school thoughts come to mind. But probably won't be accepted in today's army. But one is always accepted 4856 disrespect to a NCO. Recommend article 15

Response by SGT Mark Gorman Sr made Feb 8 at 2017 10:06 PM

SGT Mark Gorman Sr — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:06:23 -0500

Order them to do it anyway. Then put them on my short list!

Response by MAJ Mike Hughes made Feb 8 at 2017 10:08 PM

MAJ Mike Hughes — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:08:06 -0500

That is insubordination, punishable by UCMJ, article 15.

Response by PVT Timothy Cox made Feb 8 at 2017 10:13 PM

PVT Timothy Cox — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:58 -0500

When I was.in 1986 if you back talked during basic you ended up on floor.

Response by CPL Jeremy Shivers made Feb 8 at 2017 10:16 PM

CPL Jeremy Shivers — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:16:12 -0500

I was an infantry medic with 4th ID 1-66 AR BN...their answer...private wengonna make you strong...for at least the next two hours...regardless of personal shit going on, you better have situational awareness and get your shit together no excuses or equivocations

Response by SSG Robert Maxwell made Feb 8 at 2017 10:17 PM

SSG Robert Maxwell — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:17:26 -0500

72 hrs in a training area with 3 MRE'S, shelter half, Alice pack in full field gear and 5 gallons of water.

Response by SPC Bob Carroll made Feb 8 at 2017 11:14 PM

SPC Bob Carroll — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 23:14:46 -0500

send him to the C O

Response by MAJ John Daman made Feb 8 at 2017 11:56 PM

MAJ John Daman — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 23:56:59 -0500

since the E2 violated an direct order from a superior, that translates to Article 15; if he refused the Art 15, then as message to others the MPs are called and he is sent to the brig if a marine, stockade in Army.
Insubordanation should be tolerated.

Response by Jamie Bastian made Feb 9 at 2017 12:47 AM

Jamie Bastian — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:47:51 -0500

Time to stop babying these millennials and knock them on the fricking asses. If i had disrespected my superior back in my time, my ass would be wondering "how come i'm on the floor".

Response by PO1 Robert Edwards made Feb 9 at 2017 1:10 AM

PO1 Robert Edwards — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 01:10:57 -0500

I would discipline the E2 and give a direct order. Explain what will happened if the order is not followed.

Response by Peter Moseler made Feb 9 at 2017 1:39 AM

Peter Moseler — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 01:39:36 -0500

I would have a private conversation with this individual- they will be doing the assignment- but I need to identify the underlying conflict, too. There will be PT involved, team building exercises, and an overwhelming exercise of assuring who the E-5 is and why that is important to know. In the end, all the unit will understand that resistance is futile, but if I have a problem with this E-5, I should resolve that in an appropriate setting, as professionals.

Response by A1C Stanley Kolakowski made Feb 9 at 2017 3:10 AM

A1C Stanley Kolakowski — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 03:10:43 -0500

While I never made it high enough to learn how this would fly, here's what came to my head when this came up - keeping in consideration what a lot of people say that the "new" military's like (as compared to the "old" military where a full on verbal smoke and heaping of extra duty could be applied):

Immediately upon confirmation of "proposed" insubordination (read: that second talkback), call unit to attention and immediately hold a "back in training" moment - where the entire formation's encouraged to reply to questions geared to communicating the Military Way. Definitely cover the main bases of this issue (rank structure, where individuals stand within said rank structure, mandatory adherence to lawful orders, UCMJ effects of not doing so) - and immediately recheck with Pvt. Reluctant to see if he's learned the lesson and has "immediately self corrected" enough to be sent on the detail and invited to a post-detail counseling session where the paperwork's geared to evaporate after a few months of stellar behavior.
To confirm that this is "helping", mayhap having the formation at attention for detail handouts (preferably just Pvt Reluctant's, but not sure if that'll fly) over a week or two (rest of incident week and one full week) to help "re-ease" Pvt. Reluctant to "garrison standards" from "training standard".

My thought process behind this is because Pvt. Reluctant's a relative new arrival from the training environment (less than a year in), he's probably trying to "test the limits" of the "much looser" garrison protocols over the "tight" training protocols. Reminding him of the training environment may be all it takes to start getting some compliance out of him - but having the entire unit slip back to training protocols for detail assignment(s) may be just enough of an impetuous to help get some "peer pressure" on Pvt. Reluctant to shape up after the special retraining session is over. The reason I hope that the formation needs to be at attention for only Pvt. Reluctant's assignment is so that he can see how garrison works while he's undergoing a little personal "extended adjustment".

Response by Ryan Sabroe made Feb 9 at 2017 3:32 AM

Ryan Sabroe — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 03:32:12 -0500

Throat punch

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 3:40 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 03:40:34 -0500

Im prior service Marine from the 1980's, so probably would snatch his hind end up.

Response by SGT Scott Alexander made Feb 9 at 2017 5:31 AM

SGT Scott Alexander — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 05:31:38 -0500

KP for the rest of his enlistment !

Response by SGT Andy Williams made Feb 9 at 2017 5:56 AM

SGT Andy Williams — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 05:56:53 -0500

The same thing

Response by SrA Kimo Grose made Feb 9 at 2017 5:57 AM

SrA Kimo Grose — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 05:57:23 -0500

Max penalty for insubordination

Response by PO2 Emmett Allen made Feb 9 at 2017 6:55 AM

PO2 Emmett Allen — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 06:55:02 -0500

I'd address that issue in a counselling session

Response by LCpl Albert Boggs made Feb 9 at 2017 8:17 AM

LCpl Albert Boggs — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 08:17:25 -0500

I would have to say back when I was in I would have instead of a stick to the throat. An open hand slap to the face works wonders for a smart mouth . I remember a gunny who slapped the taste out of my mouth. Taught me quickly how to be the best marine I could be

Response by PO3 Timothy Lee made Feb 9 at 2017 9:04 AM

PO3 Timothy Lee — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:04:06 -0500

He would of wished he would of done what I assigned him.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 9:10 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:10:45 -0500

Counseling chit. EMI. Make him go scrub a bilge for 4 hours.

Response by PO2 Heath Howard made Feb 9 at 2017 9:22 AM

PO2 Heath Howard — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:22:08 -0500

I would say "Ok, fine. I will find someone else to do that task". I would then find the worst possible job available to assign to this young Sailor. I would then explain to him the error of his ways while PTing him until he puked. Only at that point would I know his lesson had been learned.
Any Command that would not support and expect this type of discipline from its NCO's has a leader that should be immediately removed from the military before they weaken it further.

Response by 1SG Matt Brown made Feb 9 at 2017 9:37 AM

1SG Matt Brown — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:37:38 -0500

Tell him and his supervisor to stand fast and have everyone else fall out. Rip them both a new ass and ask the supervisor later what the hell is going on with junior GI.

Response by Cpl Tommie Newton made Feb 9 at 2017 9:43 AM

Cpl Tommie Newton — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:43:31 -0500

Take a big old dump on him. Show respect and keep your bearing specially in formation. You cannot allow one to do that in front of others. He rises up in front of others he gets checked in front of others

Response by Tommt Jenkins made Feb 9 at 2017 9:44 AM

Tommt Jenkins — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:44:17 -0500

Beat him until he shits, then beat him for shitting

Response by SSG Jody Mashtaire made Feb 9 at 2017 10:31 AM

SSG Jody Mashtaire — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:31:08 -0500

Shut him down while in formation put him in the front leaning rest position. After formation grab another NCO and address the issue.

Response by SA Andrew Sanchez made Feb 9 at 2017 10:33 AM

SA Andrew Sanchez — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:33:25 -0500

Full tounge lashing PT EXTRA Duty Latrine Duty

Response by LCpl Brett McKee made Feb 9 at 2017 10:54 AM

LCpl Brett McKee — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 10:54:28 -0500

Take little sh_t out behind the whiskey locker

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 11:04 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:04:06 -0500

Suspend pay restricted to post 100 push ups

Response by Cpl Justin Woodburn made Feb 9 at 2017 11:31 AM

Cpl Justin Woodburn — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:31:43 -0500

I would smoke-check that E-2 like he should be. Disrespect too a senior NCO will not be tolerated by no means at all.

Response by Core Civ made Feb 9 at 2017 11:34 AM

Core Civ — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:34:43 -0500

say he can accept the assignment or the punishment. choice. Issue standard protocol for insubordination.

Response by PFC Matthew Upthegrove made Feb 9 at 2017 11:35 AM

PFC Matthew Upthegrove — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:35:32 -0500

Lots of extra duty, late night hard core PT and back to E1

Response by Chuck Hunt made Feb 9 at 2017 11:38 AM

Chuck Hunt — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:38:02 -0500

Push-ups and running until he pukes

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 11:44 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:44:40 -0500

Smoke session he will never forget

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 11:53 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:53:12 -0500

All military branches should have contracts where you can opt out honorably up to a certain point. Maybe people feel stuck or they learned the service isn't for them but don't want to discredit their name I.e. they are good soldiers. This would promote people who want to be there and easily take out all the people who are mumbling and grumbling. Then you are left with people who will do the work because they want to be there. Think about it before you burn me.

Response by Donna Engler made Feb 9 at 2017 11:57 AM

Donna Engler — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 11:57:05 -0500

Front leaning rest for about 5 hrs then a good long march full battle rattle and then a few hrs of holding his weapon over his head and see if that helpd

Response by LCpl Rodd Marquis made Feb 9 at 2017 12:27 PM

LCpl Rodd Marquis — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:27:04 -0500

Direct counseling

Response by LCpl Chris Steeley made Feb 9 at 2017 12:31 PM

LCpl Chris Steeley — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:31:10 -0500

Tell him he's got a handful of seconds to get on the task, or we're gonna do it the hard way, The Marine Corp way....ooorah!!

Response by 2LT Harry Oxford made Feb 9 at 2017 12:52 PM

2LT Harry Oxford — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:52:37 -0500

You have the E2 report to your Office. You do not assign any one else to the duty. You have a witness to your interview of the young man/women.
You give him/her the chance to follow a direct order with the knowledge he will be written up either way.
Move on, a lot more GOOD people need your leadership.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 1:21 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:21:08 -0500

Yeah... Fuck no that type of behavior might be a rallying cry for help and attention as a 10 year old but not a Soldier in my army. Let alone a grown ass adult. When you put on that uniform there is many responsibilitys that come with it and if you can't handle being professional bad ass then take my uniform off and move the FUCK on. If this my soldier I could guarantee you one of my other Joe's in the squad would lock that mother fucked up before I could even attempt to educate that Soldier on his poor choice. Honestly tho I have never had to deal with a soldier directly throwing himself under my buss. And really the only time I have ever seen it happen has been to WEAK NCOS you know the ones that send their Joe's out into the sun to do some bullshit or to clean all the bathrooms while they sit in Their office doing nothing. Lead by example right well if your down in the dirt with your guys and you are constantly teaching them and supporting them and motivating them in other words if your a real God damn NCO you WILL create an environment in which any of your Soldiers would never have any thought cross their mind of committing an offense punishable under ucmj let alone in front of his family his battle buddy's his friends. Not for fear of embarrassment or for what comes after legally. No no no it would never get to this point because you as an NCO know EVERYTHING about your soldier and what's going on in his or her life. And while being a positive inspirational non toxic but firm and strict(most of the time) supportive leader that Soldier 99% of the time be contacting you first before ANYONE else even their own family if they are in a situation that they can't handle because YOU have EARNED their trust and reliability. And in that 1% chance that they don't come to you you can bet your ass 100% of that 1% of the time they will tell one of their battles and intern because once again you have individually earned the respect of all your Soldiers that person they told is gonna come to you. So ultimately I think you should smoke your self and take your own rank off if you find that you got soldiers that even consider feeling like they need to tell you a God damned mother fucking bad ass fucking non commissioned officer to FUCK off.

Response by PFC Carmen A Garcia made Feb 9 at 2017 1:45 PM

PFC Carmen A Garcia — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:45:33 -0500

Wow! That's some brave E-2! After a year in service that Pvt knows chain of command so needs to be brought out firmly in front of troops. I would advise that he was told not asked to do a job. If he still refused he needs to go speak to officer in charge n face disciplinary action. If you are given a job you have to do it. No ifs and buts about it. Or has Army changed that much?

Response by SGT Blakely Taylor made Feb 9 at 2017 1:52 PM

SGT Blakely Taylor — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:52:23 -0500

FRONT LEANING REST POSIIIITTTIIIOOONN, MOOOVE

Response by Parker Robertson made Feb 9 at 2017 2:00 PM

Parker Robertson — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:00:04 -0500

"God help me private, if you don't do as I say I swear I will shove that assignment straight up your asshole and have it come out your ears"

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 2:39 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:39:37 -0500

fuck a counseling smoke the fuck out em

Response by Joseph Williams made Feb 9 at 2017 2:46 PM

Joseph Williams — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:46:28 -0500

I would knock the shit out of the until they complied!

Response by Chase Taveau made Feb 9 at 2017 2:57 PM

Chase Taveau — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:57:30 -0500

Honestly, this guy needs to get burned. Not in public, discuss what his malfunction is, tell him why it's wrong and slap on some extra pt. If it becomes a habit, then a little humility needs to be taught.

Response by Mick Verga made Feb 9 at 2017 3:09 PM

Mick Verga — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:09:03 -0500

Give them one more chance to obey command. If not dress him down in formation. Cannot have a breakdown in discipline or refusal to follow chain of command. If continues use use progressive discipline.

Response by SP6 Bernard Phillips made Feb 9 at 2017 3:19 PM

SP6 Bernard Phillips — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:19:05 -0500

Make the rest of the platoon suffer and make the smart mouth watch. Generally, the platoon will get tired of it and square him away. Later, I'd give the private a counseling session to go in their file.

Response by CPL Aaron Asher made Feb 9 at 2017 3:22 PM

CPL Aaron Asher — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:22:07 -0500

Smoke that ass

Response by SPC Terry Pursley made Feb 9 at 2017 3:28 PM

SPC Terry Pursley — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:28:58 -0500

read him the right act

Response by Alex Walsh made Feb 9 at 2017 3:32 PM

Alex Walsh — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:32:25 -0500

5km KP run. Pack filled with rocks and must do the whole rune with his loaded rifle held above his head

Response by Sgt Kyle Stone made Feb 9 at 2017 4:14 PM

Sgt Kyle Stone — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:14:24 -0500

I'm old school, punch him in the throat then make him push till the earth moves.

Response by SPC Matthew Tardif made Feb 9 at 2017 5:38 PM

SPC Matthew Tardif — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:38:35 -0500

I can tell you what happened to me in Basic Training, circa 1991, Ft. Sill, Oklahoma. I was caught toying with our newly issued M16A1. We were taking a quick break from Drill and Ceremony on a parade field, learning D&C with rifles, when I pointed it in the direction of a stand of trees. I was using the sight reticle. Some Sergeant Major was driving by and saw me. He got out of his car and chewed out my Drill Sergeants. Immediately our biggest DI, nicknamed "Conan" came over and slapped the shit out of my kevlar, threw me on the ground, kicked sand in my face, and I low-crawled in sand for 45 minutes all the while having sand kicked in my face. My kevlar helmet webbing dug into my forehead and was bleeding. I was choking on sand the whole time. I was told to get up after about 30 minutes, and Conan asked me if I was done being smoked. I defiantly replied, "No Drill Sergeant", as blood dripped down onto my tongue. It was mixed with sand and caked my face. He threw me down into the sand again, and I low-crawled for another 15 minutes. When I was asked to stand up again, he again asked me if I was done. I again defiantly said no, so he told me to go drink some water and called me a crazy mother_ _ _ _ _ _. I paid the price for a stupid act, which I didn't really think was wrong, but I learned my lesson. I believe that physical punishment worked in that situation. I wasn't doing that again, ever! I never got in trouble again after that in Basic.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 5:56 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:56:50 -0500

well in the Navy that's a DRB shipmate!✋(knife hand)

Response by PO2 Gerald Smiley made Feb 9 at 2017 5:59 PM

PO2 Gerald Smiley — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 17:59:44 -0500

in 1974 I was station at Great Lakes I was in charge of recruites that could not handle Military life they would be in getting discharge in three weeks I had this one who refused to stand a four hour watch I went to talk to him you had to handle this group very carefully so I had him standing tall for no more then ten min told him what he had to do Went back to my office then My E4 calls me had to go back upstairs this guy was tearing up the place I called the officer of the day he came over & talk to the young man I had to put him on report for what he did had him in my office he took a swing at me I grab him & sit him down in the chair I was off duty the next two days when I came back I am on report this kid called his Mommy & Daddy They got a hold of someone at Capt. Mass my commanding Officer told me that I was 100% right on what I did but the pressure was on him to take care of it so I got busted to E4 then ion six months I got my E5 back

Response by 1SG Bob Nagy made Feb 9 at 2017 6:00 PM

1SG Bob Nagy — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:00:03 -0500

Right now I wouldn't know how to respond. I have been retired for over 20 years. In the 60's and 70's, life, as that young warrior knew it no longer existed until he rewired his head to his ass

Response by Gabriel Guillen made Feb 9 at 2017 6:00 PM

Gabriel Guillen — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:00:24 -0500

Discipline

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 6:01 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:01:13 -0500

stand by to stand by shipmate. stand there and think about the ass chewing your about to get infront of all your shipmates while your LPO makes you look like a bag of smashed assholes! I love seeing a good ass chewing!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 6:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:07:37 -0500

I will take my own time to properly motivate this millennial that there are no individuals in my Company! Believe you me, when I'm done with him he will either get with the program or ring the Bell!

Response by SPC Harold Taylor made Feb 9 at 2017 6:14 PM

SPC Harold Taylor — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:14:27 -0500

Chain of command...plain and simple. He wont listen, march him up to the platoon sgt and take to the next level

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 6:29 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:29:30 -0500

Light his arsenal up making him understand how royally he screwed up to disrespect rank while surrounded by peers.

Response by PO2 Floyd Kevin Waller made Feb 9 at 2017 6:40 PM

PO2 Floyd Kevin Waller — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:40:44 -0500

He would be doing Dogtag push-ups till I got tired. Then I would write him up for in subordination. After a long talk with him. If it ever happened again he would be in front of the CO faster than he could say oh shit.

Response by Sgt Stephan Painter made Feb 9 at 2017 7:01 PM

Sgt Stephan Painter — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 19:01:31 -0500

There is no easy answer... an e2 already is aware of their responsibilities. An e5 is not a snco... chain of command has its place... an nco is there to delegate responsibility. ... to me it would depend on the e2 that I am working with. ... I wouldn't power thrust in formation. ... I would tell them to report to our immediate snco after formation. ... I would recommend charges as an example. ... jmo

Response by SGT Brian Pelham made Feb 9 at 2017 7:04 PM

SGT Brian Pelham — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 19:04:15 -0500

Rear naked

Response by PO1 Brian Elam made Feb 9 at 2017 7:35 PM

PO1 Brian Elam — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 19:35:40 -0500

Back to basics... Foot goes down, and my mouth performs an ass chewing until results commence!

Response by SGT Mark Scroghan made Feb 9 at 2017 7:36 PM

SGT Mark Scroghan — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 19:36:05 -0500

PT until he pukes

Response by SGT Wesley Hare made Feb 9 at 2017 7:37 PM

SGT Wesley Hare — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 19:37:05 -0500

I would have him drop until he gets motivated.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 9:23 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:23:12 -0500

From my personal experience half right face lol

Response by SP6 Samuel Duran made Feb 9 at 2017 9:33 PM

SP6 Samuel Duran — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:33:55 -0500

Well first of I would tell that soldier to stand there at parade rest, while I ask him a few questions like what seems to be his issue , because apparently he lost his freaking mind at this point. Two once he tells me his/her issue, I would come out with a plan of action for this issue. Then I would counsel him/her for disrespecting a noncommissioned officer, and then come out with a punishment that fits the crime.

Response by SSgt Mike Ogle made Feb 9 at 2017 10:00 PM

SSgt Mike Ogle — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:00:45 -0500

It sounds like some extra PT

Response by PO2 Wayne Hodges made Feb 9 at 2017 10:21 PM

PO2 Wayne Hodges — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:21:38 -0500

Write him up and get rid of him. No room for insubordinate behavior

Response by PO1 Francis Heywood made Feb 9 at 2017 10:30 PM

PO1 Francis Heywood — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:30:51 -0500

Pull him aside and show him the errors of his way,behind the water cooler

Response by Chung Moo Kwan made Feb 9 at 2017 10:49 PM

Chung Moo Kwan — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 22:49:51 -0500

Tell him to follow orders or face the consequences

Response by SGT Bill Childers made Feb 9 at 2017 11:02 PM

SGT Bill Childers — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 23:02:12 -0500

My belief is that while you are in the military you depend on your brothers, you depend on everyone doing their job you're only as strong as the weakest link. Right. So you make that duty his for the next 6 months then you give him something else not to mention you make sure that the rest of the team, squad, platoon what have make sure they understand how teamwork has succeeded or failed, in this example the team, squad, platoon has failed so therefore the team, squad, or platoon should be punished as one

Response by PO3 Mark Christensen made Feb 9 at 2017 11:43 PM

PO3 Mark Christensen — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 23:43:07 -0500

Boom!!

Response by SPC Derik Child made Feb 10 at 2017 12:40 AM

SPC Derik Child — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 00:40:39 -0500

First off I've not encountered this type of misconduct in the 6 years off my service before my medical discharge... That being said, there's no excuse for their behavior, and would be in serious need of reprimand. Just plain old physical exertion would not be enough to impress the importance of the chain of command. Its my belief that an article 15 would just be starters for docked pay exta-duty and re education on the chain of command would be in orderand up to a court martial if the issue persists. So for starters. Its 10 pushups for each soldier in attendance (battery size) platoon size would be 20 each xtra pt, kp, and guard duty as well as a written apology for each soldier for the blatant lack of dicipline and to put in the paperwork to strip them of rank.

Response by MSgt Joseph Rende made Feb 10 at 2017 12:54 AM

MSgt Joseph Rende — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 00:54:37 -0500

write him up + shit detail.

Response by MSgt Joseph Rende made Feb 10 at 2017 12:59 AM

MSgt Joseph Rende — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 00:59:28 -0500

dismiss the flight, hold him over, talk to him if he goes negative write him up.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 4:31 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 04:31:22 -0500

Naked rear choke hold

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 4:31 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 04:31:45 -0500

Naked rear choke hold

Response by Cpl Kletus Stubblefield made Feb 10 at 2017 7:16 AM

Cpl Kletus Stubblefield — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 07:16:24 -0500

Time to police call all day and run your ass off

Response by Miles King made Feb 10 at 2017 7:52 AM

Miles King — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 07:52:10 -0500

Hittem lol

Response by SP5 Jack Chambers made Feb 10 at 2017 8:03 AM

SP5 Jack Chambers — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 08:03:44 -0500

He would be doing alot of extra duty, seeing the First Sergeant, and receiving an Article 15(

Response by Bob Campan made Feb 10 at 2017 8:11 AM

Bob Campan — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 08:11:26 -0500

He would be given an article 15.

Response by CPO Randy Coffman made Feb 10 at 2017 8:26 AM

CPO Randy Coffman — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 08:26:31 -0500

Burn him. At no time is that kind of insubordination allowable. Make an example of him.

Response by PO3 Peter Petretic made Feb 10 at 2017 9:08 AM

PO3 Peter Petretic — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:08:08 -0500

Galley duty

Response by SGT Tammy Logwood made Feb 10 at 2017 9:18 AM

SGT Tammy Logwood — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:18:22 -0500

not only would he still be required to perform the task,,,, pls about 6 weeks of extra dutty

Response by SSG Thomas Gallegos made Feb 10 at 2017 9:19 AM

SSG Thomas Gallegos — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:19:23 -0500

Needless to say I would have hemmed his butt up. I just retired in '12 and even then we were getting in the "why me" Soldiers. It is directly on your leadership style what you will take.
I had an E-2 who's uncle was an E-7 in the OKNG call me one morning. He questioned me on why his nephew was not released yet to go home for the weekend for a family reunion. Mind you it was well before lunch on a Friday, notwithstanding right? My unit was in transition at the time to go over the pond to serve as Radar sections and our battery was split 7 ways from Sunday doing their own training, and deploying.
Of course I was wanted to ask him what the hell he was thinking calling and questioning me but I did keep my bearing.
At that point and time I was more pissed off at the SFC that he had the gall to call and question me.
The issue at hand. Police calling the barracks that he and the rest of the single Soldiers lived in.
Point to this, the why me crap is one reason why I am happy that I retired when I did.

Response by AN Charles Bond made Feb 10 at 2017 9:33 AM

AN Charles Bond — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 09:33:13 -0500

Back when i was in he would have been shown the error of his ways.

Response by SFC Jess Towner made Feb 10 at 2017 10:37 AM

SFC Jess Towner — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:37:57 -0500

He would never forget my response. Had one tell a E5 no in my presence once. The rest ran for the door.

Response by SFC Mark Biggs made Feb 10 at 2017 10:43 AM

SFC Mark Biggs — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:43:20 -0500

There used to be an event called "grass drill". I always thought it was a great event that often turned Proud Full-time Civilians (PFCs) into squared away soldiers.

Response by LCpl Paul Blackwell made Feb 10 at 2017 10:43 AM

LCpl Paul Blackwell — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:43:40 -0500

Flashback to boot camp and push-ups would done until someone dropped!

Response by SN Ronald Inabinet made Feb 10 at 2017 10:50 AM

SN Ronald Inabinet — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:50:29 -0500

Discipline them ASAP for the rest,or most of the day.Restate the command .If a negative response is obtained,rinse and repeat the previous disipline.

Response by SrA Orlando Chavez made Feb 10 at 2017 10:53 AM

SrA Orlando Chavez — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:53:21 -0500

Quick response while maintaining the integrity of the unit. Soldiers need to respect chain of command no matter how small or big the mission is. There are rules and regulations for a reason. Obviously the UCMJ wasn't drilled into his small pea brain.

Response by James Harris made Feb 10 at 2017 10:57 AM

James Harris — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:57:45 -0500

Make him do push ups until he tears his pectoral muscles and biceps. There is no need for smart asses in the military. If he can't do at least 300 push ups dishonorable discharge! He shouldn't have signed up to serve with an attitude like that. I would be in myself but because I am diabetic (Type 1 ) I can't! I would gladly take that scumbags place.

Response by Cpl Edward Bender made Feb 10 at 2017 11:05 AM

Cpl Edward Bender — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:05:21 -0500

If they have been to boot camp they should know better if not the same old punishments should be in place they have to learn to take orders

Response by PO2 Rick Stitt made Feb 10 at 2017 11:09 AM

PO2 Rick Stitt — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:09:05 -0500

I spent 8 years in as a SEABEE. I earned my (SCW). I was a Builder Second Class Petty Officer and I have felt with this a few times. The only for sure way that I found to deal with this situation is to make them remember that they signed a contract to serve and protect against all enemies foreign and domestic so feeling wronged and telling your NCO no about a job isn't going to matter and give them a kick in the ass. If you have to show them you will stand your ground take them to the nearest connex box or somewhere quiet and council them (beat the hell out of them) and if anyone asks y'all fell down the stairs. This will ensure they know ya aren't taking no for an answer

Response by SP5 Robert Harder made Feb 10 at 2017 11:18 AM

SP5 Robert Harder — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:18:44 -0500

Give him an alternate task. I.e. sweeping sunshine off the sidewalk.

Response by AN Cristi Belknap made Feb 10 at 2017 11:33 AM

AN Cristi Belknap — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:33:44 -0500

Counseling chit

Response by LCpl Nick Allen made Feb 10 at 2017 11:38 AM

LCpl Nick Allen — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 11:38:42 -0500

Hazing tell eyes bleed Fucking boot

Response by Devin Field made Feb 10 at 2017 12:03 PM

Devin Field — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:03:25 -0500

Put him on his ass

Response by SGT Horace Robbins made Feb 10 at 2017 12:17 PM

SGT Horace Robbins — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:17:11 -0500

discipline

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 12:42 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:42:35 -0500

Push up's

Response by PO1 Bill O made Feb 10 at 2017 12:43 PM

PO1 Bill O — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:43:11 -0500

First off my subordinates would never do that (unless hung-over) and second we had wall to wall counseling when I served. I understand that today if you yell too loud you may have to answer for your treatment to a soldier or sailor to their congressman because you hurt their precious little feelings!

Response by SA Tim Hyde made Feb 10 at 2017 12:48 PM

SA Tim Hyde — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 12:48:43 -0500

A good CO, and I did know a FEW, would wanna know why mr. lippy was bein so sour, he's been in less than a year and new at this command or relatively so. While steppin on his neck might have personal benefits it would behoove you to find out JUST WHY THE FUCK IS THIS LITTLE SACK IS GIVING ME SHIT IN FRONT OF MY COMMAND? But do so AFTER formation in private. Whatever the out come, your men will see that you can be fair understanding and discreet if it turns out to be
Personal/family related and no nonsense boss if the kid just turns out to be a civilian imposter who just thinks he looks sharp in the uniform.

Response by SGT Anthony Whitaker made Feb 10 at 2017 1:05 PM

SGT Anthony Whitaker — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 13:05:58 -0500

Make an example out of him. Just in case someone else thinks it's ok to disrespect leadership.

Response by SSG Robert Wilson made Feb 10 at 2017 1:09 PM

SSG Robert Wilson — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 13:09:12 -0500

Wall to wall counseling

Response by CPL Zachary Davis made Feb 10 at 2017 2:13 PM

CPL Zachary Davis — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:13:47 -0500

Front back go for about an hour, then iron Mike's until he is reformed.. He may cry and request to go to his safe place because he's a special snowflake mellinium, but that's just the wrong effing answer!!

Response by Fernando Gonzalez Jr. made Feb 10 at 2017 2:21 PM

Fernando Gonzalez Jr. — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:21:39 -0500

Make contact with my supervisor,-I need A face to face Real quick before something bad happens due to a situation i am dealing ASAP.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 2:54 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 14:54:45 -0500

Article 15 then we talk later in private to see if he wants to be in the service any longer. Dismiss him to a place other than the platoon and no fucking way does he leave until he shows the proper respect.

Response by Jim Chip Parmele made Feb 10 at 2017 3:11 PM

Jim Chip Parmele — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:11:10 -0500

Throat punch sounds good!

Response by Lambert Cone made Feb 10 at 2017 3:53 PM

Lambert Cone — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:53:00 -0500

P.T. HIM TO DEATH... SUPERIOR OFFICER COMPRISED OF SITUATION.

Response by Cpl Dennis Hobart made Feb 10 at 2017 4:23 PM

Cpl Dennis Hobart — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:23:38 -0500

Back when I was in, I would have slapped him upside his head and told him either do the job or face the ucmj for disobaying an order

Response by SFC Arthur Hopkins made Feb 10 at 2017 4:24 PM

SFC Arthur Hopkins — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:24:26 -0500

Dismiss thee rest of them and keep PVT Smart ass. Then gave a verbal direction on what he will do.

Response by PO3 David Brown made Feb 10 at 2017 4:26 PM

PO3 David Brown — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:26:31 -0500

He goes straight to Captains Mast and then 120 in the brig

Response by PO3 Steve Mills made Feb 10 at 2017 4:56 PM

PO3 Steve Mills — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:56:22 -0500

Captains Mast

Response by SPC Brian Bay made Feb 10 at 2017 4:58 PM

SPC Brian Bay — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:58:06 -0500

Whine and tell me to choose someone else? - Strike one
Tell me to shove it? - Strike two.

This is where my authority as an NCO comes in; I'd call the next ranking person below me, delegate the responsibility of relaying the assignments to the rest of the formation as not to delay operations. I'd then have private shit-bird stand fast with another person while I sought out another NCO or PL to accompany me as a witness. in issuing corrective action. Calm assertiveness and not tolerating behavior, I would provide him one opportunity to explain the circumstances (much like some form of amnesty opportunity) as to why I should not initiate the UCMJ Process and recommend Article 115 action.

As a leader, it's vital that my guys trust me to look out for them and guide them; conversely, I need to be able to trust that my guys are going to do what they're told and communicate with me. Honesty and respect goes both ways.

Obviously private shit-bird would, at minimum, develop some vertigo from "Front, Back, Go". Sometimes, Joes just want to see what kind of rise/reaction that they can get out of you, it like a cry for attention.

Instead of physical punishment (i.e. a smoking) I might say, "Very well, as you wish...you will stand here at the Position of Attention and make sure that the asphalt stays in place...all....fucking...day. I'll have the CQ escort you to lunch and then you will resume your post until recall formation.
You will render a salute to all officers who pass by and will give them the appropriate greeting of the day.
If you leave, then I will recommend a Field Grade Article 115 for 2x counts of Insubordination and one count of violating your 1st General Order. If at any time during the day, you wish to rejoin the team, you will sound off in a voice that is loud enough for the CQ/Runner to hear you. He/She will bring you pen, paper and clipboard; you will submit a written request which will then be passed on to me. I will consult the Chain of Command (both ways) before returning my decision."

Then you let the other guys in the formation know that since private shit-bird doesn't want to play that the mission still stands and that we all get to pick up his slack. You kinda create the peer pressure/Lord of the Flies thing. If the rest of the group performs, then reward them afterwards; private shit-bird gets leave and pass requests denied.

Response by Juston Tenney made Feb 10 at 2017 5:12 PM

Juston Tenney — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 17:12:47 -0500

Well first off this is what you get when people join that don't really want to be there or understand that they are a small cog on the big gear and what happens when a cog on the gear breaks it starts to slip by him saying no to a direct order he is causing the gear to slip. Now if he were in a fire fight and refuses to call in a air strike we all die so he should go out back and swallow his sidearm before he gets the whole platoon killed when he can't handle the real pressure he will be put in. If he wanted to serve his country but not be a part of the bigger picture he should join the wemons march not the elite of the elite his actions will get himself and his brothers killed in real time take him out back and beat the shot out of him oorah... you cannot be a pussy and defend our country it does not work like that

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 6:22 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 18:22:52 -0500

Help this 2 class Mosquito understand that i politely request that he help himself to the ground and move the earth untill i gain 2 inches on my arms
I would also request this 2 class Mosquito find and understand Burger Kink and McDonalds oh the Air force is always looking for quilified Q and A personal

Response by PO2 Bruce Baxter made Feb 10 at 2017 7:19 PM

PO2 Bruce Baxter — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 19:19:35 -0500

Write him up. Unless he learns now, his career will be very short.

Response by CPO Colby Lennon made Feb 10 at 2017 7:21 PM

CPO Colby Lennon — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 19:21:07 -0500

He would clean

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 7:31 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 19:31:33 -0500

I would ream his sorry ass out in front of God and the entire formation, getting my point across without question!!

Response by CPL Thomas Pierce made Feb 10 at 2017 8:02 PM

CPL Thomas Pierce — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:02:20 -0500

Command soldier to obey a fair, legitment order, soldier refuses, tell him, still refuses, order him one last time verbally, refusal, start paperwork for article 15 with disiplinary action. Retsriction to post or barracks. Wait for sfc then first seargent response. Act accordingly. Done.

Response by Sgt Rich Martin made Feb 10 at 2017 8:03 PM

Sgt Rich Martin — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:03:19 -0500

You get in their face, give them a toungue lashing, not worrying about any spittle that may fly out of your mouth, and then tell him to get down and give you twenty. Then continue until you decide the idiot has learned his lesson. Can't see this happening in the Marine Corps. Marines know what orders are.

Response by SGT Daniel Martinez made Feb 10 at 2017 8:05 PM

SGT Daniel Martinez — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:05:59 -0500

I believe that this soldier is in desperate need of a visit to the 1sg and company commander for some motivation. I know I am an old fogie, but, when I was still in, first you did what you were ordered to then you explain why you didn't think that you should do it. Follow the order first!

Response by Cpl Pete Shanks made Feb 10 at 2017 8:26 PM

Cpl Pete Shanks — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:26:11 -0500

Being a marine corps veteran there are a few different options that you could chose from. Now many people would say beat the living crap out of the little punk but here is the way I used to deal with the young bucks. Anyone could dole out tree line justice but I do what the marine corps does best, assault your enemy mentally. You break a spirit or a mindset with words instead of violence and then you completely own a person.

Response by Terry Sharp made Feb 10 at 2017 8:40 PM

Terry Sharp — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:40:18 -0500

Give meb35, clean the head and do a 6 mile run.

Response by PO3 Milo Hamby made Feb 10 at 2017 8:43 PM

PO3 Milo Hamby — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:43:53 -0500

Call the Master at Arms and file court martial charges against him.

Response by Cpl Micheal Alfred made Feb 10 at 2017 8:56 PM

Cpl Micheal Alfred — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 20:56:42 -0500

Smoke his ass till he pukes a few times.

Response by Cpl Stan Zapanas made Feb 10 at 2017 9:01 PM

Cpl Stan Zapanas — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:01:19 -0500

The key to success in battle is effective communications therefore it must be communicated that there is a chain of command and he is currently at the bottom of the chain. Sounds like he didn't learn much in boot camp, has no respect for rank and is not a team player. An effective NCO must lead by example utilizing his/her knowledge, skills and experience and be willing to complete each task he tells others to do. An individual not willing to be part of a team becomes a liability instead of an asset and doesn't belong in an organization that prides itself on duty, honor and courage.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 9:41 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:41:06 -0500

Give one more chance to accept the work . and warn him he will be brought up on charges of disobeying an order .

Response by SSgt Dallas Williams made Feb 10 at 2017 9:46 PM

SSgt Dallas Williams — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:46:33 -0500

Only had one to do this.. He was a basic trainee and I the DI... got his butt chewed the rest of the flight took care of him later.

Response by SGT William Fancher made Feb 10 at 2017 9:54 PM

SGT William Fancher — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:54:59 -0500

Let me first say that you should never ask why or hesitate when given a lawful order! Your not in school your in the fighting force that has been directed to protect the freedoms of this fine nation. What ever happened to a good ole smoke session. Pushing a five gallon water can with your forehead while low crawling the parade field. If you are questioning my instructions now in garrison, what will you do when bullets start flying. Discipline by fire, blood and sweat!! We (and I say WE because I will always be a part of the Army) have become nothing more than babysitters that can't even discipline the kids. Give NCO's their responsibility and ability to train, discipline and LEAD their soldiers (marines, air men, sea men)!!

Response by Cpl Derek Meadows made Feb 10 at 2017 9:58 PM

Cpl Derek Meadows — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:58:14 -0500

Little fucker would be doing every job in the shop all day everyday.

Response by SP5 Robert Robertson made Feb 10 at 2017 10:11 PM

SP5 Robert Robertson — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:11:32 -0500

When i was in mid 70s what we called lock him up now they say smoke him and then it would be a blanket party that night.next time he'd think before he spoke

Response by SGT Karl Griner made Feb 10 at 2017 10:19 PM

SGT Karl Griner — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:19:07 -0500

Back in the day he would have been knocked on his ass.

Response by Sgt Frank Thompson made Feb 10 at 2017 10:19 PM

Sgt Frank Thompson — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:19:27 -0500

Immediately write up charges ,get snco

Response by SGT Robert Walch made Feb 10 at 2017 10:32 PM

SGT Robert Walch — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:32:03 -0500

Pull his ass out and get him in private and determine what his issue is.

Response by PO2 William Riley made Feb 10 at 2017 10:47 PM

PO2 William Riley — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:47:49 -0500

Order him to start swabbing the deck and clean the heads till they shine. Dismiss everyone else to their duties. After cleaning is done satisfactorily, have a private chat with him and explain where he went wrong.

Response by C/Amn Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 11:02 PM

C/Amn Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 23:02:56 -0500

Throw his face down to the dirt and make him pound out 500 push ups

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2017 11:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 23:35:03 -0500

You pull this E-2 aside and let him know that this is the one and only time you will give him the courteousy of handling the problem in this manner. You ask him what his major malfunction is. If it can be worked out fine. If this happens again you might have to make an example of him in front of the other troops.

Response by 1SG Charles Simpson made Feb 11 at 2017 2:25 AM

1SG Charles Simpson — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 02:25:03 -0500

I would become that Private's mommy and daddy 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, until he/she fully understood what military life and discipline is all about. At the E2 stage, a soldier has only two choices; fulfill the obligations required or request an expeditious discharge for the good of the service.

Response by Richard Peterson made Feb 11 at 2017 3:52 AM

Richard Peterson — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 03:52:09 -0500

Let him know who gives the orders, ass kicking time.

Response by A1C Steve Bortle made Feb 11 at 2017 4:03 AM

A1C Steve Bortle — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 04:03:47 -0500

he would dig a hole and fill it in,rinse and repeat,you must cleanse the laziness from said shit bird

Response by Tj Allen made Feb 11 at 2017 6:06 AM

Tj Allen — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 06:06:01 -0500

Grab him by the back of the neck and force him to the floor. Make him stay face down as u hand out other assignments. Walk over and on him now and then. Then stand him up, make him do it but make his day a living hell. If he still disobeys a direct order, march him and yourself to the latrine and give him a very hard slap. Next step is to repeat the process but more severe..

Response by PO1 Robert Flynn made Feb 11 at 2017 6:32 AM

PO1 Robert Flynn — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 06:32:52 -0500

I'm old school, I'd slap him.

Response by PO3 Mark Garcia made Feb 11 at 2017 6:48 AM

PO3 Mark Garcia — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 06:48:01 -0500

Wow, as a vet, I would never ever question an order. Although Inmihht complain about it to my peers in private, I realized the importance of military bearing, respect for my superiors, and following orders. We're there to serve!

Response by SGT Eric Blake made Feb 11 at 2017 7:52 AM

SGT Eric Blake — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:52:01 -0500

It seems to me the military has gotten soft with this touchy feely shit. "Praise in public punish in private".. fuck that make an example of this cock sucker to other would be offenders. Smoke this shitbird until his eyes bleed and his heart explodes. "Ask him what's wrong"... I can tell you what's wrong he's a spoiled little mouthy homo that needs to shut his cock holster and do what he's fucking told. People like this get mother fuckers killed in combat. You can't have anyone questioning you during a fucking fire fight, and if they do it in formation over stupid shit they will do it in combat. But hey I'm just a dumb grunt what the fuck do I know?

Response by PO2 Rick Perkins made Feb 11 at 2017 8:36 AM

PO2 Rick Perkins — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 08:36:35 -0500

Swift firm growth moment is required.

Response by PO1 David Farr made Feb 11 at 2017 9:08 AM

PO1 David Farr — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:08:23 -0500

He wouldn't see liberty for about a week so that he has time to work on his deficiencies. At the least, he would be written up for disrespect and failure to obey a lawful order. Washington Detailers would not give me orders to push Boots because I would be to "hard" on them. These new recruits are too soft, that is the problem with today's Navy.

Response by SPC Joe Hughes made Feb 11 at 2017 9:53 AM

SPC Joe Hughes — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:53:58 -0500

Beat your face. Push until my arms get tired.

Response by SFC Jim Kolb made Feb 11 at 2017 10:04 AM

SFC Jim Kolb — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:04:25 -0500

Clear the room

Response by PFC Chad McCallister made Feb 11 at 2017 10:59 AM

PFC Chad McCallister — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:59:44 -0500

Why the hell does a Drill Sergeant have his sleeves rolled up?!? Must not be a disciplined Infantryman (we wouldnt dare roll our sleeves up unless we were serving food in the field)

Response by CPL Bryan Armour made Feb 11 at 2017 11:01 AM

CPL Bryan Armour — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:01:26 -0500

The swift hand of Authority. PT him till he remembers that his ONLY response is Yes Sargent.

Response by LCpl David Jumper made Feb 11 at 2017 11:21 AM

LCpl David Jumper — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:21:28 -0500

This is an art. 15 if I am not mistaken , I'd tell him to get into the head and deal with him there when he returned to the formation the answer would be clear and no witnesses

Response by SPC Jeremy Koons made Feb 11 at 2017 12:04 PM

SPC Jeremy Koons — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:04:34 -0500

Smoke session until their eyes bleed

Response by SGT Randy Eden made Feb 11 at 2017 12:33 PM

SGT Randy Eden — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 12:33:06 -0500

First off, handing out work assignments is done between squad/platoon leader. If the squad/platoon leader has a problem with a soldier then he brings the problem to you. But if the E-2 has been in service for six months this situation would have been corrected before this incident presented itself. To be in six months and still showing this behavior shows prior training was defective and needed to be corrected and isn't the soldiers fault. Get his squad leader to proceed with the assigned task and get this E-2 to stand by. In private one on one explain to him that service was voluntary and if its not for him then process him out. If he wishes to remain part of the group then his compliance to your orders must be followed to the T and without question. He must understand that someone else's life depends on this and anything less than his total obedience determines their life's continuance. Allowing him to be in control of the situation undermines your authority and cause others to doubt your leadership. But creating fear to the rest of the squad/platoon is not a motivation to perform or performance in a combat situation. Many an Army lost battles fearing their leaders as much as their enemy. Genghis Kahn would take over a village, but would feed and take care of the villagers to get them to join. Thus service to him was voluntary and his army committed.

Response by CMDCM Eric Mcallister made Feb 11 at 2017 1:06 PM

CMDCM Eric Mcallister — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:06:22 -0500

Discipline will be required after you dismiss the others....add some extra military instruction and document ALL of the events.

Response by Richard Savala Sr. made Feb 11 at 2017 1:26 PM

Richard Savala Sr. — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:26:39 -0500

If you can't take a direct order you can potentiality be a liability .

Response by SA Robert Powell made Feb 11 at 2017 1:34 PM

SA Robert Powell — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:34:21 -0500

Just do it. There's a whole lot of suck in the military. But being the guy/girl who embraces the suck, gets a lot of respect from the majority. That person would do anything for the team. And does it because if they don't, someone else will.

Response by PO3 Dan Tharp made Feb 11 at 2017 1:38 PM

PO3 Dan Tharp — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:38:53 -0500

Pull their quals and Send them TAD to the laundry or mess decks....No room for that on the Flight Deck of an Aircraft carrier..

Response by CPO Steaven Brabandt made Feb 11 at 2017 1:44 PM

CPO Steaven Brabandt — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 13:44:31 -0500

Help you succeed or fail, I'm here for either one, your choice fuckface

Response by PO1 Richard Thompson made Feb 11 at 2017 2:16 PM

PO1 Richard Thompson — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:16:07 -0500

I would take him outside and show him the error of his ways

Response by TSgt Leon Bass made Feb 11 at 2017 2:22 PM

TSgt Leon Bass — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:22:27 -0500

Invite him out behind the hanger , just him an I .....

Response by Tim Sutton made Feb 11 at 2017 3:43 PM

Tim Sutton — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:43:11 -0500

Turn to the rest of the formation. Inform them that they win as a team or they loose as a team. All privileges are denied until such time as they become a properly functioning unit. Two weeks max to iron the problems out as a unit. After that point squad leaders reappointed and and discipline handed out. If you can't make here as a properly functioning unit you will likely fail and die on your first mission. Fallout!

Response by PO3 Stan Berry made Feb 11 at 2017 5:41 PM

PO3 Stan Berry — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:41:28 -0500

He would be standing at attention for long while.

Response by CPL Robert DeBuck made Feb 11 at 2017 5:52 PM

CPL Robert DeBuck — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:52:43 -0500

Court Marshall

Response by 1LT Peter Gill made Feb 11 at 2017 5:55 PM

1LT Peter Gill — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:55:40 -0500

Private conversation explaining his options--none of is good

Response by Ken Wagner made Feb 11 at 2017 6:03 PM

Ken Wagner — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:03:03 -0500

Discipline all troops but the dipshit. Let them take care of that problem real fast and turn him around completely. People do slip in showers.

Response by SP5 Willaim Clarke made Feb 11 at 2017 6:22 PM

SP5 Willaim Clarke — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:22:48 -0500

A couple of days in the brig should change his attitude. For not obeying a direct order!

Response by SGT Luke Brock made Feb 11 at 2017 6:33 PM

SGT Luke Brock — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:33:35 -0500

To easy half right face,front lean and rest position move!

Response by TSgt Michael McGlaughlin made Feb 11 at 2017 6:33 PM

TSgt Michael McGlaughlin — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 18:33:41 -0500

"Little Danny Dufflebag" took an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over him, refresh his memory of this LOUD and CLEAR. An L.O.R for failure to obey orders/disrespect for authority. Whatever task he refused to perform, make it clear that would be his daily assignment until further notice. His junior leaders (squad leaders etc.) bear some responsibility in this. As a Military Training Instructor, I've had Dorm Chiefs and Squad Leaders that were very effective in getting the message across to Danny Dufflebag. I know correctional custody is no longer used, but it WORKED!! If he continues to refuse to follow instructions, my next move would be for correctional custody.

Response by SPC Jmarr Riggin made Feb 11 at 2017 7:27 PM

SPC Jmarr Riggin — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:27:04 -0500

Private party

Response by Mary Willis made Feb 11 at 2017 7:29 PM

Mary Willis — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:29:03 -0500

Make everyone do it because the snowflake refused. His constituents will make their displeasure known

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2017 7:33 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:33:57 -0500

im still a pfc but i have enough sense not to mouth off to my nco. i know a few guys and i agree that we need to bring back a few old practices to teach idiots like this a lesson. i know a few lower enlisted that do this and ncos can only write them up. if this were the old days he would have been knocked out. they would have physically dropped him and made him push until they got bored from what i have been told. but this private needs to learn not to mouth off and do as he is told. you are his superior he has no choice unless it is completely unreasonable.

Response by PO2 Joe Burger made Feb 11 at 2017 7:38 PM

PO2 Joe Burger — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:38:25 -0500

I'd take him or her aside and explain real clearly what the "Chain of Command" is and make sure he or her understood where it was they fit in. And if it were to continue then yes it would then have to go into the disciplinary process. There is absolutely no room for insubordination with in the ranks.

Response by PO2 Orville Thomas made Feb 11 at 2017 7:51 PM

PO2 Orville Thomas — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:51:07 -0500

I would pick the largest guy in the room and tell him that along with his assignment, he will also do the E2's assignment. The E2 would have 30 seconds to decide if he still wants to avoid his assignment.

Response by Sgt Eugene Millard made Feb 11 at 2017 7:59 PM

Sgt Eugene Millard — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 19:59:22 -0500

Disobey an order and go before the man...

Response by PFC Brian Onder made Feb 11 at 2017 8:06 PM

PFC Brian Onder — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:06:18 -0500

I would make him push till I got tired

Response by PFC Brian Onder made Feb 11 at 2017 8:06 PM

PFC Brian Onder — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:06:29 -0500

But I don't know if you can do that nowadays

Response by CPL Bennie. A. McMullen Jr. made Feb 11 at 2017 8:07 PM

CPL Bennie. A. McMullen Jr. — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:07:20 -0500

Call to office for talk about insubordination charges. Or derolection of duty

Response by Jerry Mcroberts made Feb 11 at 2017 8:10 PM

Jerry Mcroberts — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:10:21 -0500

Drop and do push ups till I'm tired soldier.

Response by GySgt Robert Benson made Feb 11 at 2017 8:25 PM

GySgt Robert Benson — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:25:37 -0500

I don't know what years you did service but in my day PFC would be looking up from the ground on his back,LEARN RESPECT THE HARD WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SGT Edward Power made Feb 11 at 2017 8:50 PM

SGT Edward Power — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:50:46 -0500

Post the rest of your command. Hold the dipstick until others have go on to their assignments. Inform him that he is expected to obey a lawful command and that nothing else is acceptable. And that refusing to obey a lawful order will shorten his military carer to a few more miserable weeks. If that is what he wants, he can be accommodated, else get his butt out and do his assignment.
Then look at what made him think he can get away with his behavior, and correct it fast.

Response by PO2 Marcus Dull made Feb 11 at 2017 8:51 PM

PO2 Marcus Dull — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:51:07 -0500

Praise in public, Reprimand in private.
Make this an issue that is TO BE DETERMINED.
Make sure the subservient KNOW this.
Follow through in a VERY timely fashion.

Response by PO2 Joseph Liegel made Feb 11 at 2017 8:55 PM

PO2 Joseph Liegel — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:55:17 -0500

Tell him to get ready to see the old man. Will recommend 30 days restriction, 30 days extra duty.

Response by PFC Richard Medina made Feb 11 at 2017 9:41 PM

PFC Richard Medina — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:41:08 -0500

PT the shyte outta him.

Response by SGT Russell Owens made Feb 11 at 2017 10:20 PM

SGT Russell Owens — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:20:25 -0500

Have him and his immediate supervisor stand-by until all other assignments are handed out, then have the two waiting made aware of the infraction of the Pvt, and that his disobedience, and insubordination will not be tolerated, and the assignment will be completed. If the actions are repeated, the matter will be referred up the chain for disciplinary action, i.e. Article 15, or worse

Response by SSgt Larry Cornwall made Feb 11 at 2017 10:40 PM

SSgt Larry Cornwall — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:40:48 -0500

If you are in the Marines, that is considered a direct order. Follow it or suffer the repercussions. But if you are in the guard or army, you must sit and counsel him and give him another chance.....poor me. In the old core use descussed it quickly out back and they see it your way

Response by SSG Greg Haller made Feb 11 at 2017 10:43 PM

SSG Greg Haller — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:43:20 -0500

i don't believe I asked what he wanted to do. He will do it or face consequences! Stand your command.

Response by Dougie Whiteside made Feb 11 at 2017 10:46 PM

Dougie Whiteside — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:46:42 -0500

Slap them upside the head or tell them choke yourself with my hand like FMJ

Response by PO1 Bill Alger made Feb 11 at 2017 11:04 PM

PO1 Bill Alger — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:04:05 -0500

Article 15 I believe will cover it isn't that disrespect towards a senior NCO.

Response by SGT Thomas Gulia-Thoene made Feb 11 at 2017 11:28 PM

SGT Thomas Gulia-Thoene — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:28:18 -0500

Ninja Chop

Response by PO2 Cynthia Hoffman made Feb 12 at 2017 12:00 AM

PO2 Cynthia Hoffman — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 00:00:09 -0500

Suck it up BUTTERCUP

Response by Pvt Michael Barker made Feb 12 at 2017 12:23 AM

Pvt Michael Barker — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 00:23:39 -0500

He would be locked up in the brig for disobeying a direct order

Response by Sgt Robert Kimbrough made Feb 12 at 2017 12:34 AM

Sgt Robert Kimbrough — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 00:34:05 -0500

The UCMJ is very clear on this: not following a lawful order is punishable by courts martial. Lawful orders, if refused is nothing more than insubordination.

Response by TSgt James (Daniel) Shaw made Feb 12 at 2017 12:44 AM

TSgt James (Daniel) Shaw — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 00:44:17 -0500

Firmly remind the airhead, he works for me, he has been given his assignment by me! Then, write him up for being disrespectful to his NCO!

Response by LCpl Michael Bodamer made Feb 12 at 2017 4:18 AM

LCpl Michael Bodamer — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 04:18:53 -0500

Pull him out of formation and deal with it in private.

Response by LCpl Michael Bodamer made Feb 12 at 2017 4:51 AM

LCpl Michael Bodamer — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 04:51:10 -0500

The military is a separate life from civilian life, when I was growing up and I told my dad no I picked my ass up off the floor. I learned real quick that what he says is gospel and not to be questioned, and for the most part it only took once, I was young and dumb, my dad taught me the civilian way of life, as did my drill instructors i.e. (military dads), (teachers), you learn to take orders and if it requires a little pain to learn it so be it. Discipline and respect is the name of the game, physical exercise with a little pushing and shuffling alone the way never hurt anybody. Was talking with a young Marine 90's grad. comparing stories of boot camp from 72' what a difference. OORAH

Response by SGT Michael Munger made Feb 12 at 2017 7:35 AM

SGT Michael Munger — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 07:35:07 -0500

Pvt Dumass needs the training we got in basic training back in the 1960 then he knew what an order was today sounds like baby sitting job j

Response by SSG William Bahler made Feb 12 at 2017 8:30 AM

SSG William Bahler — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 08:30:55 -0500

Article 15

Response by SP5 Paul S Platt made Feb 12 at 2017 10:36 AM

SP5 Paul S Platt — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:36:52 -0500

Dog his ass, if still not compliant, counseling, not compliant still, move to article 15.

Response by SPC Joel Hefner made Feb 12 at 2017 11:00 AM

SPC Joel Hefner — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:00:13 -0500

In today's military, it is important to cover your butt. Witnesses to any form of correction due to insubordination is a must. Too often the benefit of the doubt is extended to the subordinate complainant and not extended to the NCO or Commanding Officer who are charged not just with unit cohesion but with the lives and well being of those who would file the complaint.
That being said, there could be an underlying cause to a sub-ordinates reticence to follow the lawful directives of an NCO or the lawful orders of an Officer.
Care should be taken to provide a witness to any further interaction with the sub-ordinate. Dismiss all but E2 and his squad leader. Question the sub-ordinate as to the reason he/she is unable to comply with a lawful directive of an NCO or the lawful orders of an officer. If there are not sufficient extenuating circumstances, then the E2 should be informed that not complying with the Directive or Order given will result in actions being taken against the E2 according to the UCMJ which will begin with MP's being called to assist in the detention of the offending E2. If there are extenuating circumstances that would justify an inability of the E2 to effectively comply with the Directive or Order, then it is important for the E2 to understand that proper respect must be shown and demonstrated at all times to the Chain of Command. Suggest to the E2 a response that would have demonstrated this respect, but have allowed the NCO or the Officer to directly address the concerns of the E2 without delay.
This of course is assuming that this is not happening in a combat situation. The immediate life and death nature of a combat situation will probably make all of this irrelevant to the immediate needs of the unit. Many factors could play into the E2's unwillingness or inability to comply. These factors may include but are not limited to combat fatigue, fear, intense shock and confusion, overwhelming grief from the loss of a unit member, anger at the failure of Command to sufficiently assess potential threats, etc. The immediacy of combat makes this situation much more difficult to easily address. Proper training helps to insure that this situation does not occur in combat through the confidence gained by instinctual application of that training. Encouraging the E2 by expressing that they have been trained specifically to deal with combat situations, by stressing the needs of the unit as a whole and that lives depend on their ability to carry out Directives and Orders, and by the E5 expressing his/her personal confidence in the E2's ability to perform the given task successfully will probably produce better results than threatening the E2 who may in turn become more entrenched in their position to not comply with orders which not only results in a breakdown of discipline but of unit cohesion and combat effectiveness.
It is important for the E5 to remember that the United States of America has invested much time, effort, resources, and tax dollars in developing this E2 for service in our Armed Forces, and that motivating E2 to perform effectively their assigned task protects the investment in this individual that the entire nation has contributed to.

Response by PO3 Mike Darr made Feb 12 at 2017 11:04 AM

PO3 Mike Darr — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:04:03 -0500

Give everyone else in the platoon extra Duty, explain to them that they got the extra to Duty because off this man's insubordination. As the others complete their assignments have the dissenter stand in a place of prominence and watch them all. At the end of the day have them all report to the barracks and lock the door behind them. By next morning he should understand how things work.

Response by SFC William Allen made Feb 12 at 2017 11:16 AM

SFC William Allen — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:16:25 -0500

I had this happen to me plenty of times. I was an E6 and had NO support form my command. I decided to stay the course and take the high road. After the senior command moved on/ retired I was the one in command. I did such fun things as write counselling statements and confiscated cell phones. I had to make all of the subordinates to Unlearn everything and get them on the right course. As I retired I left behind a great maintenance section who as a group excelled. I say nip it in the bud. If it's an ongoing thing, talk to the private to find out what's going on but remind him that he is a soldier first.

Response by CPL Norman Acevedo Rivera made Feb 12 at 2017 11:17 AM

CPL Norman Acevedo Rivera — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:17:51 -0500

I would have needed a new pair of boots!

Response by Daniel Ferebee made Feb 12 at 2017 11:18 AM

Daniel Ferebee — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:18:59 -0500

well I am not in the military.but I do think that when you are in the military there are rules inplace that help you and that you are there to learn that can and will save you and your men.so yes he needed help to see why he should to as told.

Response by PO2 William Collins made Feb 12 at 2017 11:55 AM

PO2 William Collins — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:55:49 -0500

HAVE HIM LOCKED UP

Response by Denise Davi made Feb 12 at 2017 12:52 PM

Denise Davi — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 12:52:36 -0500

Well I'd probably laugh at them and make them feel really small and order them to do it anyway!

Response by SGT Dave Ramos made Feb 12 at 2017 1:04 PM

SGT Dave Ramos — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:04:21 -0500

That E-2 must be a liberal that signed up for the wrong trade.

Response by SPC Brian Day made Feb 12 at 2017 1:05 PM

SPC Brian Day — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:05:44 -0500

Death by skull fuck.

Response by Jamie Boyce made Feb 12 at 2017 1:33 PM

Jamie Boyce — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 13:33:08 -0500

Give them some good old military structure. Up in the face tell him to get down on his face. Respect. Who does this E2 think he is lol

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2017 2:50 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:50:15 -0500

Beat his ass

Response by David Robertson made Feb 12 at 2017 3:20 PM

David Robertson — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 15:20:10 -0500

A disciplinary action is in order. The E2 is blatantly refusing an order. 20 push-ups or sit-ups is a reasonable disciplinary action. But perhaps not harsh enough. I just took the time to read 3 responses. As for myself, I scored a 97 on the ASVAB, but couldn't pass the Physical due to nerve damage. The responses I read were right on the money, and in my opinion, a better option than potentially crushing an E2's throat. My father came out of Officer's Basic and was stationed at Ft Carson as a Drill Sargent. During gas mask training, a fresh recruit refused to put on his gas mask. My father took the steps of his training to encourage the recruit to follow through with the orders. No good. My father broke down and cussed and swore at the recruit at high volume. The stupid kid still refused to follow orders. To my knowledge, striking a subordinate was not an option. He got himself transferred into the Army and earned his wings flying helicopters

Response by Cpl Matthew Aymami made Feb 12 at 2017 3:29 PM

Cpl Matthew Aymami — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 15:29:24 -0500

Ensure that bitch gets the GI virus and take him for a 6 mile run

Response by PVT Robert Thcornberry made Feb 12 at 2017 3:52 PM

PVT Robert Thcornberry — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 15:52:46 -0500

We would have words later. It wouldn't be a good thing to have animosity within the ranks. If that didn't work I would let my squad leader deal with him.

Response by CPL John Beers made Feb 12 at 2017 3:58 PM

CPL John Beers — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 15:58:15 -0500

Take him and his squad leader into office. Restate the order. An explanation as to why it needs done (mellenials need that) shouldn't be given as order must be maintained and enforcement if not followed without question. If he still is defiant Ar15 and maybe even unsay him out.

Response by Sgt Terry Montgomery made Feb 12 at 2017 4:08 PM

Sgt Terry Montgomery — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:08:36 -0500

I would surely make an example of this Boot Marines conduct, and it would not go unpunished, VI's disobeying a lawful order charges, or platoon discipline via extra duty, and all the other shit can job I could find. These job would make the one he refuse to do so impossible, he would request transfer to another unit.

Response by Bruce Couch made Feb 12 at 2017 4:20 PM

Bruce Couch — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:20:24 -0500

rigorous physical training

Response by SGT Gary Scott made Feb 12 at 2017 4:37 PM

SGT Gary Scott — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 16:37:36 -0500

Never had a PFC that stupid..........

Response by Sgt Harry Walton made Feb 12 at 2017 5:02 PM

Sgt Harry Walton — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 17:02:18 -0500

Straight Wack to put back in Track.

Response by CAPT Ernest Petzrick made Feb 12 at 2017 5:45 PM

CAPT Ernest Petzrick — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 17:45:31 -0500

I guess kicking them in the nuts is no longer acceptable?

Response by MSgt Donald Long made Feb 12 at 2017 6:07 PM

MSgt Donald Long — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:07:06 -0500

That has happened and after everyone else departed, the E2 and I left for a dark space outside of the hangar. No more problems!!

Response by Dave Bailey made Feb 12 at 2017 6:27 PM

Dave Bailey — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:27:56 -0500

Smack the the taste out of his mouth.

Response by SP5 John Nutt made Feb 12 at 2017 6:30 PM

SP5 John Nutt — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 18:30:12 -0500

Outside mister!!

Response by SGT Terry Brown made Feb 12 at 2017 7:04 PM

SGT Terry Brown — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:04:09 -0500

This is the whole reason I left the military.I and another NCO were in the armory talking while a few privates and specialist were cleaning weapons.A female SPC walks in and yells "Ok everyone shut the F up".I told her "there are NCO's in this room and there are more respectful ways to be heard".My platoon sgt (E-6) called me into his office and told me I needed to respect that E-4 and didn't need to say anything to her in front of people.Two weeks later when time to reenlist came up,I didn't.If I had done what she did when I was a pvt or spc I wouldn't have walked out of the armory.

Response by Mike Robinson made Feb 12 at 2017 7:43 PM

Mike Robinson — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:43:43 -0500

"Do you want to be a Marine"? If Yes, then "marines are humble and respectful, do you want to show your brothers that you are serious about keeping their lives safe?" If yes (and it should be) then "well then act like a Marine and cut the shit"

Response by SSgt Dan Hunt made Feb 12 at 2017 8:03 PM

SSgt Dan Hunt — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:03:19 -0500

I'd probably start yelling things like "who the hell do you think you are?" And let them know real fast to get out of my face and do as they were told or there'd be hell to pay.

Response by Cpl Paul Hanway made Feb 12 at 2017 8:25 PM

Cpl Paul Hanway — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:25:07 -0500

Throat punch

Response by PO2 Sean OBrien made Feb 12 at 2017 8:39 PM

PO2 Sean OBrien — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 20:39:50 -0500

I'd pull him aside and explain to him that he was going to do exactly what I asked him to or I'd write him up for disobeying a direct order and then I'd have doing a bunch of s*** That he hated just to let him know who his boss is !

Response by SPC Stephen Michael made Feb 12 at 2017 9:00 PM

SPC Stephen Michael — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:00:09 -0500

Smoke their assets for the reminder of the day!

Response by PO2 Allan Dyer made Feb 12 at 2017 9:28 PM

PO2 Allan Dyer — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:28:32 -0500

Restricted to the ship

Response by SFC Joseph Staines made Feb 12 at 2017 9:38 PM

SFC Joseph Staines — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:38:22 -0500

He would go under the barracks with his entrenching tool and dig a foxhole deep enough for him to stand up in!!!

Response by CPL Christopher Taylor made Feb 12 at 2017 9:43 PM

CPL Christopher Taylor — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:43:39 -0500

Reality check his ass. This is my house and your just passing through kid.

Response by PO2 Thomas Perez made Feb 12 at 2017 9:56 PM

PO2 Thomas Perez — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 21:56:02 -0500

By him being insubordinate the whole company is being insubordinate. The troops are as strong as their weakest link, that's him. That insubordination will spread at light speed with a turbo charge. Everyone must pay for his mistake, calisthenics for an hour should do the trick followed by a full gear 2 mile hike followed by a uniform inspection. This will infect other members of the team to help " motivate" this individual, as well as make the team stronger.

Response by SGT Chris Coffman made Feb 12 at 2017 11:04 PM

SGT Chris Coffman — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:04:31 -0500

Peer pressure always works well. Punishing everyone will ensure he gets a blanket party that night. It fixes itself.

Response by PFC Jesse Garrison made Feb 12 at 2017 11:40 PM

PFC Jesse Garrison — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:40:55 -0500

You will do what I ask or you will have my foot in your ass.

Response by PO2 Dean Adams made Feb 12 at 2017 11:47 PM

PO2 Dean Adams — Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:47:52 -0500

Pass to the next. Then go back and give a worse job then handed before . then let then whine.I joined the seabees in 81 and back then u got your ass snaped in to shape.There was no back talk period.

Response by CPL Mark Scheckel made Feb 13 at 2017 12:09 AM

CPL Mark Scheckel — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 00:09:55 -0500

This poor troop needs some put and a reason to remember why he joined the service to begin with

Response by PFC James Fesler made Feb 13 at 2017 1:01 AM

PFC James Fesler — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 01:01:22 -0500

Make it rain

Response by PO3 Steve Boltz made Feb 13 at 2017 1:10 AM

PO3 Steve Boltz — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 01:10:14 -0500

Pt the E2 until feels that doing the assignment is in his best interest.

Response by SSgt Mike Fields made Feb 13 at 2017 2:27 AM

SSgt Mike Fields — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 02:27:04 -0500

Private talk behind closed doors! It will only take once and the example will be set!

Response by SGT Kenny Hutton made Feb 13 at 2017 2:34 AM

SGT Kenny Hutton — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 02:34:57 -0500

Instruct everyone that they will be punished because of this piece of trash, and then I'd PT the everloving shit out of them.

Response by Michael Kowitz made Feb 13 at 2017 3:30 AM

Michael Kowitz — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 03:30:46 -0500

punch to the throat

Response by SPC Joan Moxley made Feb 13 at 2017 3:53 AM

SPC Joan Moxley — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 03:53:52 -0500

Private E2 would be required to stand fast while the rest of his Platoon moved out to begin the days' assignments. I would then tell him in private that he has joined an elite group of individuals to defend his country. Loyalty and instant obedience is a requirement to keeping himself and the others in his squad alive. And if he isn't compliant then discipline or dismissal are his options. He hasn't signed up for a Garden Party, He has signed up willing to DIE for his country.

Response by SPC Kenneth Koerperich made Feb 13 at 2017 6:16 AM

SPC Kenneth Koerperich — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 06:16:54 -0500

In my day this would have been an ass kicking right in front of everybody! Sand pit was used a lot to "correct" behavior. Second go around if the physical didn't work was UCMJ actions.

Response by Bobby Torres made Feb 13 at 2017 6:44 AM

Bobby Torres — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 06:44:06 -0500

I haven't been around the battalion every formation for 2 weeks KP four month and it be polishing my boots for that timing. And take that are girl 15 with you while you're at it now get down to do me 50

Response by Bobby Torres made Feb 13 at 2017 6:44 AM

Bobby Torres — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 06:44:06 -0500

Response by PFC Roger Ansin made Feb 13 at 2017 8:00 AM

PFC Roger Ansin — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:00:11 -0500

article 15

Response by SGT Matthew Gordon made Feb 13 at 2017 8:54 AM

SGT Matthew Gordon — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:54:04 -0500

Dismiss the rest of the formation except for the PV2 and is first line supervisor. Ask him what made him respond this way? If it is simply an issue of being entitled his whole life and having issues with authority, then take the appropriate steps. Explain the difference between lawful and unlawful commands and that lawful commands aren't up for discussion. If it is an authority issue, ART15 and continue to track the soldier.

Response by Faith Bourgault made Feb 13 at 2017 10:30 AM

Faith Bourgault — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:30:29 -0500

E2 needs his butt kicked. Not acceptable behavior and he and the whole unit need to know it. Nip it in the bud as one other response said is exactly what needs to happen. The military is not there to molly coodle you. Suck it up and do your assignment.

Response by SPC Robert Byrd made Feb 13 at 2017 12:02 PM

SPC Robert Byrd — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 12:02:31 -0500

Correct him

Response by PFC Kenneth Basden made Feb 13 at 2017 1:29 PM

PFC Kenneth Basden — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:29:37 -0500

First, the order will be repeated, if refused a second time, front lean and rest position move, if refused time to meet the C.O., afterwards if refused, time to make him her a civilian.

Response by PO3 Dan Townsend made Feb 13 at 2017 2:02 PM

PO3 Dan Townsend — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 14:02:31 -0500

Same thing the drill instructor did

Response by SN Travis Wyles made Feb 13 at 2017 2:29 PM

SN Travis Wyles — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 14:29:18 -0500

In the Navy I would hand his ass over to the Senior Chief and most likely his little smart mouth would end up at Captains mast.

Response by CPL Chad Boykin made Feb 13 at 2017 2:58 PM

CPL Chad Boykin — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 14:58:07 -0500

Take them to the side and do a lot of half rights....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2017 3:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:01:26 -0500

I would call the MP's and have him arrested. I would submit the packet to let him spend a few weeks in military confinement, that will change his tune.

Response by Sgt Michael Harrod made Feb 13 at 2017 3:19 PM

Sgt Michael Harrod — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:19:36 -0500

He would be held back from formation along with his team leader and squad leader. They would be reprimanded for failure to train and lead their subordinates. My treatment of this PFC would depend on his attitude once the formation was dismissed. There is no such thing as a bad troop, only bad leaders and Instant obedience to orders is not just a cute sentiment, it's the law of the Marine Corps land.

Response by Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2017 3:26 PM

Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:26:21 -0500

i would knock the shit out of him

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2017 3:30 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:30:53 -0500

The problem is the new young Kats coming in are making things more difficult then what they even need to be anymore with smart remarks and back talk like it's ok. Do what you're told and move on with you're damn day .

Response by LCpl Sean Walsh made Feb 13 at 2017 3:51 PM

LCpl Sean Walsh — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:51:22 -0500

I would lose my mind

Response by AN David Valeri made Feb 13 at 2017 3:54 PM

AN David Valeri — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 15:54:28 -0500

Explain to the troops that this private feels he is better than the rest and feels he deserves preferential treatment compared to the rest of them and then march them outside for unending PT until they all realize they must be one unit willing to do anything for one another. There is a lot of power in "peer motivation" when because of one asshole they all suffer...it is called peer attitude adjustment

Response by PO1 Jeffrey Bauer made Feb 13 at 2017 4:27 PM

PO1 Jeffrey Bauer — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:27:45 -0500

I kindly respond by saying "I'm sorry for upsetting you, let me see if I have an assignment that better suits you young man/woman." Then I wake up in a cold sweat, realize I had a nitemare, find that E2 and kick his/her ass!!!

Response by Clay Ellis made Feb 13 at 2017 4:39 PM

Clay Ellis — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:39:31 -0500

Same as Sarge

Response by PO2 John Fornara made Feb 13 at 2017 5:07 PM

PO2 John Fornara — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:07:43 -0500

Turn him over to his deck mates and walk away.

Response by SGT Robert Smith made Feb 13 at 2017 5:16 PM

SGT Robert Smith — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:16:20 -0500

Big difference now as years past... When I goy to to the 101st in Oct of 1973 as an E2 if a PFC told me to do something I damn sure did it... saw it change over 4 years to this scenario. I would give the young individual other peoples duties... volunteer him for guard assignments as well as CQ runner. Then have a long conversation with him on future assignments if attitude was not adjusted. In old days take him out and kick his ass. !!

Response by Maj Don Moore made Feb 13 at 2017 5:18 PM

Maj Don Moore — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:18:41 -0500

Isolate. Make arrangements to send to GITMO or send to 1stSgt to determine if NJP is in order or another effective method is available to educate this young Marine.

Response by SGT Kelly Williams made Feb 13 at 2017 5:21 PM

SGT Kelly Williams — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:21:17 -0500

Immediate corrective action (drop, then discuss that the smell he was smelling was the shit he had just stepped in, while in the front leaning rest).....if he still refuses, platoon drops for him. Then UCMJ action.

Response by SMSgt David Conklin made Feb 13 at 2017 5:42 PM

SMSgt David Conklin — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:42:38 -0500

Take the insubordinate out behind the CONEX and introduce him to slap-happy 1 and 2!

Response by Sgt Henry Jeffs made Feb 13 at 2017 5:56 PM

Sgt Henry Jeffs — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:56:08 -0500

Captains Mast and he's an E1

Response by SSgt Amy Pena made Feb 13 at 2017 7:03 PM

SSgt Amy Pena — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 19:03:32 -0500

On the record , give him/her a counseling, assign them to restriction and extra duty. Off the record, excuse them and take them out back and wear their ass out! Then assign them some extra duty!

Response by Tony Velasquez made Feb 13 at 2017 9:26 PM

Tony Velasquez — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:26:15 -0500

Don't let it slide and take action immediately.

Response by PO2 Angelo Lombardo made Feb 13 at 2017 10:00 PM

PO2 Angelo Lombardo — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:00:08 -0500

Been in this situation with a known malcontent. Tuned him up, in front of of the division. He reported me. Because he was a malcontent the The dept head squelched it. The dept. head was a maverick.
Had it been another sailor with good evals i would have handled it differently. Firmly believe in keeping things in house if possible

Response by SP5 Mike Burritt made Feb 13 at 2017 10:33 PM

SP5 Mike Burritt — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:33:08 -0500

Grass drills for everyone

Response by SPC Brian Beaumier made Feb 13 at 2017 11:48 PM

SPC Brian Beaumier — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 23:48:00 -0500

Drop and give me 20 push-ups and your doing the guys next too you duty also.

Response by SCPO Mark Hartwick made Feb 14 at 2017 12:10 AM

SCPO Mark Hartwick — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 00:10:38 -0500

Mash him and the entire company until they can't move!

Response by SP5 Brian Spinden made Feb 14 at 2017 12:10 AM

SP5 Brian Spinden — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 00:10:39 -0500

Remain firm on your assignment, reprimand the E-2 with a reminder that failure to comply could result in an article 15 disciplinary action.

Response by SSG Lucas Solie made Feb 14 at 2017 12:24 AM

SSG Lucas Solie — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 00:24:21 -0500

I would have to ask myself several questions. Does this Soldier have prior issues with work being delegated to him/her? To me this is a time to pull the Soldier to the side and talk/counsel. There could be a underlying issue. Problems at home, pay issues, etc; "I will know my Soldiers and place their needs above my own".

Response by GySgt Rick Roy made Feb 14 at 2017 12:52 AM

GySgt Rick Roy — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 00:52:44 -0500

Since this is a bad apple and would get people killed in combat, I would give him a direct order that he would disobey! Court martial, and out as undesirable! Best to use the system to beat his butt! That's why it is there!

Response by LCpl Billy Blaylock made Feb 14 at 2017 1:41 AM

LCpl Billy Blaylock — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 01:41:46 -0500

I would calmly explain that he will do the task assigned or face disciplinary action. That is the proper military action to take but in my mind I would be taking another course of action.

Response by PO2 Wheeler Pickens made Feb 14 at 2017 3:52 AM

PO2 Wheeler Pickens — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:52:22 -0500

I would put him on report

Response by CPL Greg Smith made Feb 14 at 2017 4:04 AM

CPL Greg Smith — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 04:04:17 -0500

Let him know he's GOING to do it or face an article 15.

You have to set an example for the other Soldiers that are watching...

Response by SrA Brian Manns made Feb 14 at 2017 5:04 AM

SrA Brian Manns — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 05:04:26 -0500

Put him on latrine duty....

Response by CPL Chase Yarian made Feb 14 at 2017 5:36 AM

CPL Chase Yarian — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 05:36:13 -0500

I would smoke them till they find the meaning of following orders.

Response by CPL Bonnie Richardson made Feb 14 at 2017 5:51 AM

CPL Bonnie Richardson — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 05:51:24 -0500

Smoke session...there is no room for in subordinating soldiers...First of all I was taught in basic that you do NOT tell a senior rank no....and if you do...you get to see a really bad grass drill session...

I am not sure in these answers why people are taking a soft white glove approach, talk is cheap and counseling statements even worse....

Response by LCpl Phillip Thomas made Feb 14 at 2017 6:29 AM

LCpl Phillip Thomas — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 06:29:10 -0500

oh good, pfc wants to PT. Good to go. Everyone push-up position do it now move!

Response by MAJ Steven Perry made Feb 14 at 2017 6:47 AM

MAJ Steven Perry — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 06:47:31 -0500

I don't believe this is a real question. When I was in service, NCO's knew how to handle E2s and when necessary how to elevate. Obedience to orders is part of the contract for which all service members are paid. Have we completely forgotten our duty?

Response by PO1 Don Blankenship made Feb 14 at 2017 7:19 AM

PO1 Don Blankenship — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 07:19:52 -0500

I have always believed in "Praise in public, punish in private." Since he has questioned my authority for all to see, then his punishment will be for all to see. It would be something that would leave no doubt in the minds of the rest of my people that doing what he did will not be tolerated or accepted.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 7:43 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 07:43:24 -0500

Have them stand fast after formation with their team leader and ask the private why they feels the task is "below him/her". Then briefly exercise some corrective training. Upon completion remind them of why they are in the military and remind them that you are issuing a task which as long as it is morally and legally ethical is a direct order, give them a quick brush up on
Article 91: Insubordinate conduct toward warrant officer, NCO, or PO

and

Article 92—Failure to obey order or regulation

I know you got this covered, hope it helps.

"We work as a team or we die as a team"

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 7:46 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 07:46:54 -0500

Praise in public and punish in private. Remind the private that they volunteered for the army and as long as it is a morally and legally acceptable task it is a direct order. No task that follows those guidelines should be disobeyed unless life or limb is iminent. Do the corrective training on them required and remind them that disobeying a direct order is punishable under UCMJ under:

Article 91: Insubordinate conduct toward warrant officer, NCO, or PO

Article 92—Failure to obey order or regulation

You got this, I hope this helps and wish you the best.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 7:47 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 07:47:18 -0500

"Senior E5" ? Hahha oh Lord.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 7:55 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 07:55:37 -0500

I would give that assignment to somebody else, and then take 3 assignments from 3 other troops and give them to him. So maybe the next time his trap will stay shut when given a mission.....

Response by PFC Kenneth Moore made Feb 14 at 2017 8:35 AM

PFC Kenneth Moore — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 08:35:28 -0500

Smoke the hell out of him

Response by TSgt Jim Hill made Feb 14 at 2017 8:58 AM

TSgt Jim Hill — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 08:58:52 -0500

I would march the young man to the First Shirt, explain why this is a response indicative of a sub-standard airman, all 3 of us would go in and see the old man and he would immediately be provided with an article 15, confinement to quarters and immediate dishonorable discharge process with separation from the service forthwith for failure to comply with a lawful order. If this clown made it all the way to E2 with this kind of attitude I would not waste the governments time and money on correctional counseling. He is to be jettisoned for the good of the service.

Response by SPC Jd Crabb made Feb 14 at 2017 9:10 AM

SPC Jd Crabb — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:10:06 -0500

Ooof..... Easy answer. Tell them they need to follow a direct order from a NCO and inform them of they didn't..... Ft Lewis soul flood from the sweat has about to loose.....

Response by Sgt Jimmy Pagitt made Feb 14 at 2017 9:30 AM

Sgt Jimmy Pagitt — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:30:20 -0500

Throat punch him and make hit the deck, push-ups until he gives out

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 9:38 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:38:09 -0500

2 words.... "Tree line" problem solved

Response by Cpl Jed Fortune made Feb 14 at 2017 9:38 AM

Cpl Jed Fortune — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:38:57 -0500

Come down hard and fast,on this shit bird...

Response by PO3 Tim Boyle made Feb 14 at 2017 10:35 AM

PO3 Tim Boyle — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 10:35:47 -0500

You follow orders or someone may die from your actions or lack of.

Response by SSgt Stephen Child made Feb 14 at 2017 11:13 AM

SSgt Stephen Child — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:13:49 -0500

Smile, say "okay, I love a volunteer," and find the crappiest assignment for the individual to do on top of the current assignment. Make sure it is done so others can see it as a reminder your the boss. Then continue smiling, and inform the individual if they wish to continue being disrespectful by disobeying a direct order, they are going on report, or getting a write up. If they continue being a dipstick, ask them if they are volunteering for other unwanted assignments.

Response by SSgt Mark Speak made Feb 14 at 2017 11:30 AM

SSgt Mark Speak — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:30:13 -0500

Bring formation to attention, relieve others of the command other than the one in question. Bring a request for the nearest available officer to join you. State the request to the E2 for the officer to hear again. Let the officer bring the evaluation to bear. In my day it would have been the rest of my fellow Airmen who would have beat me down for causing them the repercussions that were about to be had by all for this behavior. Today all you have to do is request gender , transformation treatment, and you don't have to even do physical training let alone your job!

Response by Sgt John Burke made Feb 14 at 2017 11:42 AM

Sgt John Burke — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 11:42:46 -0500

Shoot him.

Response by SSG Leon Taylor made Feb 14 at 2017 12:39 PM

SSG Leon Taylor — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 12:39:45 -0500

Discipline

Response by SCPO Ted Denning made Feb 14 at 2017 1:01 PM

SCPO Ted Denning — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:01:15 -0500

As a SCPO, aboard an FFG, at quarters one morning, I had an unrated SM striker continue to run his mouth, after telling him to "shut his trap". When the division officer concluded quarters, I had the Sn stand fast, dismissed the division and then "invited the Sn behind the mack to a fan room, opened the door and told him that I was following him in, and that we were going to come to an "agreement" as to who ran the division. I assured the young sailor that it was not him. I could not get away with what happened in that fan room in todays navy. Needless to say, no more problems with said sailor

Response by SPC Joshua Yeargin made Feb 14 at 2017 1:18 PM

SPC Joshua Yeargin — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:18:59 -0500

Tree Line Counseling

Response by SGT Linda Burgess made Feb 14 at 2017 1:55 PM

SGT Linda Burgess — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 13:55:09 -0500

Sounds like a spoiled brat that needs to paint, do yard work, pick up trash, spend time scrubbing a shower with a toothbrush, etc. if the pv2 has a problem with working or training then the snowflake can go up the chain of command.

Response by Sgt Scott Madigan made Feb 14 at 2017 2:25 PM

Sgt Scott Madigan — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:25:58 -0500

Old slap to the back of neck and put him in his place.

Response by CPL Mark Andersen made Feb 14 at 2017 2:30 PM

CPL Mark Andersen — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:30:13 -0500

As a young PV2, I was dumb enough to do that very thing to an E-5. I had extra duty for a month. I deserved every single second of it. I learned my lesson, recovered, became an NCO, and when that same thing happened to me, I handled it the same way. I worked with my PSG, worked out an extra duty schedule, had it approved by the 1SG, and then went to him, told him the error of his ways, and that if he had any complaints to please see the PSG. That guy retired about five years ago as an E-7.

To this day, I am friends with the very NCO that I smarted off to many years ago.

Response by Cpl Donald Drouin made Feb 14 at 2017 3:07 PM

Cpl Donald Drouin — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:07:35 -0500

Immediate court martial. No more questions asked. If the E-2 doesn't disobey now, he will certainly do the same in combat and get others killed because of his insubordination. Also issue him an UNDESIRABLE DISCHARGED from the Marine Corps and that will follow him for the rest of his life.
From- Don Drouin, E-4, USMC, Active Duty from 1969 to 1971. Reserves, 1971 to 1975 and proud to have served my country as a United States Marine

Response by CWO3 John Bell made Feb 14 at 2017 3:09 PM

CWO3 John Bell — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:09:59 -0500

I would take him to the Bos'n Locker and kick his ass!!!

Response by SFC Glen Tilson made Feb 14 at 2017 3:18 PM

SFC Glen Tilson — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:18:48 -0500

Smoke him!!

Response by Charles Grant made Feb 14 at 2017 3:38 PM

Charles Grant — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:38:28 -0500

If you don't want to follow orders, what are you doing in the military?

Response by SSgt Gordon Olayvar made Feb 14 at 2017 3:42 PM

SSgt Gordon Olayvar — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:42:27 -0500

Cant believe the question is even being asked?....back in the day...any day back then......he'd have his ass handed to him. I issued a a couple cracks to one in my Platoon after he told me to Fk off after I asked him to assist another Marine moving gear, and to think I was actually pretty nice to the boot..(can you believe it) bastard (Kid you not) ran to the SgtMajors office and bitched, he didn't go to the Plt Sgt., or Company Gunny, he went straight to the SgtMaj.......SgtMaj stepped outta the office into the street screaming my name....next I'm locked and cocked in front of his desk..SgtMaj yells at me: "Sgt. Why are you thumping my Marines" I reply back: "SgtMaj he is an lazy disrespectful piece of shit bastard" SgtMaj looks at me....yells at me "No MORE!" and dismisses me. Shitbird is standing off to the side with his mouth agape.....SgtMaj closes the door behind me....all I hear is that shit bird gettting thumped by the SgtMaj as I walk down the hall....he returns to the Platoon, now the Company Gunny is screaming for him.......A fricking huge Samoan Chief Marine Comapany Gunny!....kid walks over to the Company Gunnys office like he's walking to the Gallows...the whole platoon is doing the knife across the throat gesture to him even the LT does it. Needless to say the kid walked outta the company Gunny's office properly thumped AGAIN!!!.......This is the best part, that kid retired from the Marine Corps a few years back a decorated highly respected cambat vet.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 4:15 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:15:56 -0500

Smoke the crap out of him.

Response by LCpl Donald Faucett made Feb 14 at 2017 4:20 PM

LCpl Donald Faucett — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:20:45 -0500

I have to disagree with Gunnery Sergeant Pepper. If Pvt. Dipshit had enough disrespect dishonor himself in front of the platoon, then he needed weeded out. ASAP! A chain is only as its weakest link. Marines are disciplined to instant response to orders. There are no do overs if private shitbird, is insubordinate down range my brothers could die. He should have been arrested, escorted to the CO, then to the brig. He was fortunate that E5 did not straighten his collar nice and tidy, wink.

Response by SP5 Michael Diggles made Feb 14 at 2017 4:31 PM

SP5 Michael Diggles — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:31:31 -0500

As an SP5, I would make a come-back that consisted of swamping him with my superior expertise.

Response by Sgt Kevin Allen made Feb 14 at 2017 4:37 PM

Sgt Kevin Allen — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:37:15 -0500

It's about discipline and respect. And you NEVER talk back to a D.I. I saw it in 1976 once. It wasn't pretty and it sure set the tone for everyone else as it didn't happen again. Oh, and the Airman who smarted off? Didn't make it through Boot... Guess you could say he got the boot...

Response by SPC Ralph Aylesworth made Feb 14 at 2017 4:40 PM

SPC Ralph Aylesworth — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:40:39 -0500

Discipline and make him do it

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 4:58 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:58:37 -0500

My old Infantry response would be to smoke the whole section until they resolve the issue internally, but that's not really acceptable anymore. Today I would lock him up, send the rest off to accomplish their tasks then have a little counseling session, most likely will standing in that same spot. Explain lawful orders, article 15s, insubordination and all the other ways I can make his life a living hell. But, I'm old and mean...

Response by A1C Alfred Bowen made Feb 14 at 2017 5:13 PM

A1C Alfred Bowen — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:13:02 -0500

Drop and push this earth until his thoughts and assignment align

Response by Edward Bishop made Feb 14 at 2017 5:58 PM

Edward Bishop — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 17:58:35 -0500

wack it

Response by PO2 T Scott made Feb 14 at 2017 6:01 PM

PO2 T Scott — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:01:27 -0500

Very politely and professionally, rip them a new defecation hole (in private with witness) by reminding them that they did volunteer their duty to the military and if they can not handle the contract, help them find the door out. essentially, in my eyes, an equal response to the reaction depending on the severity of the transgression. (bear in mind, I'm not a kind person to "smart mouths" or disrespect. Fair yes, kind, no.)

Response by TSgt Bret Whitmore made Feb 14 at 2017 6:09 PM

TSgt Bret Whitmore — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:09:09 -0500

I'm with Gunny Pepper on this one. This shit needs to be nipped IMMEDIATELY. (Of course, in an ideal world I agree with praise in public, punish in private. But I've seen this very thing happen in one of my own units and so I guess I'm bringing that previous experience into it. Besides, rare is the case when a non-previous offender will inherit a family crisis and all of a sudden go brain-dead and insubordinate straight out of the blue.) Calling PFC Shitbird's next-line supervisor in on it makes not only the PFC accountable for his actions, but also makes others in his own chain miserable and vulnerable and most of them sure as hell don't want this B.S. repeated. (Perhaps it might eventually also generate the time-tested peer-punishment "blanket party" which also has its merits.) Granted, authoritarian discipline doesn't work in all cases, nor does it work for many folks beyond that "10-day compliance" window we're all pre-wired for. But this is the U.S. Military, is it not? How often have you seen Boot-level, T.I.-dispensed, in-your-face motivation fail to achieve its desired goal? Has the military changed so drastically since my days in uniform? Has it all become soft-handed, stress-card, and pussified? All effective NCOs should master the art of improvising, adapting and overcoming. There is a wide variety of ways to effectively implant a heavy-soled foot-covering into the effective posterior point-of-contact to achieve the desired level of motivation.

Sure, we NCOs can't bust so many asses any more but we sure as hell can still take names. Fear DOES generate respect until the individual gets motivated enough to self-generate same. Punishment likewise generates that requisite respect (even if they hate your guts), IF doled out properly and PUBLICLY so EVERYONE in his unit (and ESPECIALLY his cronies and allies that might later try to back him up) have ZERO DOUBT why PFC Shitbird is cleaning latrines with his toothbrush or shoveling shit or digging graves for mosquitoes or filling sand-bags or whatever else you select as the best training method. There's no shame like public shame. If that still doesn't work there are always incrementally more serious options, higher-order discipline, "failure to go" paperwork, Article 15s, a visit to the next line of supervision to get fitted for an even larger boot up his ass, and finally reporting to the CO for his pre-court-martial briefing.

Response by Paul Elmore made Feb 14 at 2017 6:29 PM

Paul Elmore — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:29:45 -0500

Must respect his commands, no matter what. He is there for a reason Discipline. With out it the chain of command has a weakness. Rebellion leads to rebel not solider.

Response by Cpl Charles Reed made Feb 14 at 2017 6:41 PM

Cpl Charles Reed — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:41:45 -0500

The E-2 WOULD HAVE A MULTITUDE OF EXTRA DUTIES, FROM FIELD DAY THE BARRACKS, TO SPIT SHINING EVERY PAIR OF BOOTS IN THE PLATOON. IF HE FAILS TO COMPLY, THAN EVERYONE PT'S TILL THEIR EXHAUSTED, BUT NOT SO EXHAUSTED THAT THE E-2 WOULD SOMEHOW SUFFER FROM SOAP IN SOCK TREATMENT FROM PLATOON MEMBERS. OF COURSE NO ONE WITNESSES THIS ACTIVITY AS THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF REGS.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 6:47 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:47:10 -0500

A swift punch in the solar plex

Response by SSG Vern Joslin made Feb 14 at 2017 6:47 PM

SSG Vern Joslin — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:47:43 -0500

Meltdown time, Well, since PVT 2 soon to be a PVT 0, doesn't want his assignment the company will do his PT, Front leaning rest, wait for it, Give me 20 MOVE Knock em out. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY PUSHUPS, RECOVER, PVT 2s soon to be a PVT 0s Squad Leader front & center, it seems your team doesn't want their assignments. I guess they don't want to do PT either so I guess you will have to do them for them. Front leaning rest, wait for it, Give me 20 MOVE Knock em out, RECOVER. Well, PFC soon to be a PVT 0,Tell the Company thank you for doing your PT. YOU WILL DO THIS ASSIGNMENT, YOU, WILL DO IT WITH A SMILE, OR I WILL PT YOUR ASS UNTIL YOU DIE. AND USE YOU GUTS TO GREASE THE ROAD WHEELS ON MY TANK. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Company Attention, MOVE OUT. Worked for me when I was acting PLT SGT.

Response by PO2 Vincent Guytan made Feb 14 at 2017 6:51 PM

PO2 Vincent Guytan — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:51:42 -0500

Stop it before it spreads to others

Response by CWO4 George Scruggs made Feb 14 at 2017 7:07 PM

CWO4 George Scruggs — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 19:07:32 -0500

I'm about to cancel this. Most of the post are from wah-wah pussies. Get over it. You make rank, you get perks.

Response by SFC Larrie Brown made Feb 14 at 2017 7:09 PM

SFC Larrie Brown — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 19:09:03 -0500

I will remove them from the formation, and myself and several others NCO's will retrain this Fucktard, and help them with their military baring. Or Back in my day. Back a Boot off up there 4th point of contact. Hooah.

Response by MCPO Dennis Didier made Feb 14 at 2017 7:15 PM

MCPO Dennis Didier — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 19:15:08 -0500

Way back when I was a "smart mouth" E3 who badmouthed my LPO, Shortly thereafter, Chief Powel took me in the hangar door wells and adjusted my "smart mouth." Lesson learned.

Response by SPC Theresa Lucero made Feb 14 at 2017 7:37 PM

SPC Theresa Lucero — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 19:37:12 -0500

Ooh that would not last long I'd run them to the ground make them do pt for hours!

Response by SFC Alex Contini made Feb 14 at 2017 7:53 PM

SFC Alex Contini — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 19:53:36 -0500

I would ask the other E-2s "who will volunteer to do this guy's work." I would assume nobody would step forward and then tell the mutt that he has no friends willing to do the work for him so he has to do it. Nothing like peer pressure to fix a problem.

Response by Cpl Matthew Marcellus made Feb 14 at 2017 8:09 PM

Cpl Matthew Marcellus — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:09:38 -0500

I punched him. Old Corps

Response by SPC Doug Varnell made Feb 14 at 2017 8:09 PM

SPC Doug Varnell — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:09:48 -0500

I would leave his ass in the leanjng rest yull he figured it out. That ass will grt yiu killed by bot listening ...

Response by SGT Edward Vredenburgh Jr. made Feb 14 at 2017 8:10 PM

SGT Edward Vredenburgh Jr. — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:10:47 -0500

I would pull him off to the side, make him stand at parade rest, then I would ask him what his malfunction is and set him straight

Response by CMSgt Leo Binkovich made Feb 14 at 2017 8:12 PM

CMSgt Leo Binkovich — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:12:03 -0500

What's a senior E5?

Response by SGT Clay Butler made Feb 14 at 2017 8:18 PM

SGT Clay Butler — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:18:15 -0500

We call it a good smoking! A little extra physical activity until the new soldier understands his role, and his leaders role, and how they interact. Could be easy, could be hard, at some point he will understand that he has the choice of how his interaction with is leaders will be. if it continues past the first time, definite counseling and punishment such as article 15.

Response by Cpl Bob Thomas made Feb 14 at 2017 8:36 PM

Cpl Bob Thomas — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:36:06 -0500

I will tell you what I did. I kicked him hard in the ass. He went on with his career and became a SgtMgr!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 8:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:46:00 -0500

Fall out to my left, you're right, and await further instruction. Dispatch the rest of the detail. Instruct the soldier to follow me to my office/S1. Write up the appropriate corrective document. Assign additional detail/corrective action that is lawful and does not put the soldier at risk of life limb or eyesight. Soldier agrees or disagrees, which will lead to the execution of corrective action/ additional detail or a review from the soldier's/my superior's authority (which will be approval for corrective action/detail). I will supervise the detail/action. The soldier will complete the detail/action. The soldier will report to me with the completion of detail or action. And then the soldier's performance of detail or action will be reviewed IN DETAIL through verbal and written report. And then we will never have to have this conversation again.

Response by GySgt World's Finest made Feb 14 at 2017 8:58 PM

GySgt World's Finest — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:58:42 -0500

Give them an ultimatum take the assignment or njp

Response by 2ndLt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 8:59 PM

2ndLt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 20:59:36 -0500

I would hope that he'd find himself short on stripes quickly.

Response by SFC Chris Foreman made Feb 14 at 2017 9:17 PM

SFC Chris Foreman — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 21:17:40 -0500

HE JUST VOLUTEERED FOR EVERY SHIT JOB I CAN THINK OF!!!!

Response by SrA Richard Smith made Feb 14 at 2017 10:03 PM

SrA Richard Smith — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:03:04 -0500

Take him behind the barracks and shoot him. lol!
Actually, he should be punished in front of his fellow troops on the first offense. If he's been insubordinate before, punish his squad with him. They will pressure him to start behaving. If that doesn't work, then it's obvious that a military lifestyle is in-congruent with his perceived lifestyle. His enlistment should then be terminated asap...

Response by LCpl Bart Savoy made Feb 14 at 2017 10:04 PM

LCpl Bart Savoy — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:04:03 -0500

Throat punch

Response by CPL Blyine Magill made Feb 14 at 2017 10:09 PM

CPL Blyine Magill — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:09:02 -0500

Personally I'm old school and I believe you have to lead with an iron fist and if you wanna be a smart mouth I'll give you that iron fist and bring you right to attention it's not abuse it's called respect and the soldier with the smart mout would either learn respect and always rember that or he'd go home crying to his mamma

Response by SGT Harry B made Feb 14 at 2017 10:14 PM

SGT Harry B — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:14:40 -0500

Quick response needed,tell him to fall out and drop

Response by PO3 Alex Torrella made Feb 14 at 2017 10:45 PM

PO3 Alex Torrella — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:45:39 -0500

I would explain how the COC works and make this individual understand that he is looking at disciplinary measures from that point on. It could result in his/hers getting put out of the military.

Response by PO1 Randall Stephens made Feb 14 at 2017 10:58 PM

PO1 Randall Stephens — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 22:58:30 -0500

As an NCO you can't punish but you can counsel and find out the cause. Sure I could work his ass off but most times it will just give them a worse attitude. I would get my Divisions officers permission to stop his liberty for a couple of days and if that doesn't work then It is time for the CO to step in and dole out the appropriate punishment for the offense. First off as a work center supervisor aboard ship I am not their friend but their supervisor period. If they are a problem and I can't depend on them then I don't need there bullshit. An order is an order period.If they don't like it well they never should have raised there hand and took the oath to obey all orders given. I served 1975-1995 first in the Army then Navy. When I went in if you mouthed off you would get your ass beaten and it is how it should be now instead of a bunch of cry babies we have now because their parents were shitty raising them and let them get away with everything because they were more concerned about being there friend instead of their parent.

Response by Cpl Mike Redfern made Feb 14 at 2017 11:02 PM

Cpl Mike Redfern — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:02:45 -0500

Have pfc report to CO's office...recommend him for court martial for disobeying a order...have CO put the fear of god into him

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2017 11:41 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:41:59 -0500

Wow...
I believe I would carry on giving details, have the SL/LS whatever applies and the E2 standby. Explain my intentions to the SL and from there demand an explanation to the E2 failure to follow a lawful order and the disrespect to an NCO.
Maybe the E2 has something going on that needs addressed, don't misunderstand the disrespect still needs to be addressed but an NCO looks out for theirs and needs all the details. After that their life is going to be noticeably harder until the attitude improves or they're separated.

Response by Steven Smith made Feb 15 at 2017 12:10 AM

Steven Smith — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 00:10:25 -0500

"That was an order. Carry it out. Now!"

Response by SPC Joshua Bush made Feb 15 at 2017 1:40 AM

SPC Joshua Bush — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 01:40:59 -0500

You would need to show the others you mean business and tell him with more authority and get in his face more. Nip it in the butt before the rest his peers think they can get away with that kind of disrespect also

Response by Joseph Walsh made Feb 15 at 2017 3:50 AM

Joseph Walsh — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 03:50:46 -0500

The whole platoon would be doing a ten-mile hike in fullback and gear. While he got this sit in the barracks waiting for it want to come back eating Cheerios.

Response by PO2 Steve Ramsay made Feb 15 at 2017 4:30 AM

PO2 Steve Ramsay — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:30:36 -0500

The brig.

Response by A1C Steve Neylon made Feb 15 at 2017 4:57 AM

A1C Steve Neylon — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:57:02 -0500

The fresh E2 is in violation of insubordination and his reactive and inappropriate response must be dealt with immediately. Not only will he openly receive "re-direction" from the E-5, our bigmouth E2 will be assigned extra duty to "reflect" on his language and behavior; and how he is a distraction to the mission and his team.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2017 5:23 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 05:23:35 -0500

You bring him back during the weekend for corrective training .

Response by SSG John Haines made Feb 15 at 2017 9:24 AM

SSG John Haines — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 09:24:04 -0500

With today's restrictions , hard to figure how to handle. Perhaps some training on how to beat whatever he was holding to the ground to the "position" a few times,,,as well as the rest of the barracks. Done enough times hie squad would show him how to curbhis mouth

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2017 9:36 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 09:36:38 -0500

Probably slay everyone for his deficiencies the next morning at pt then explain in front of his leadership why we just slayed ourselves then I'd let his leadership work on him if there is no change then you pull his leadership aside and council him and the E2 before the E2 screws his own career

Response by MSgt Chino Colis made Feb 15 at 2017 9:44 AM

MSgt Chino Colis — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 09:44:32 -0500

"Quarter deck now, yous!" And commence the thrashing!!!

Response by LCpl Robert Eschenko made Feb 15 at 2017 10:07 AM

LCpl Robert Eschenko — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:07:12 -0500

In the corp I came from , this boot would have been picking his sorry ass up off the deck.My platoon picked up 4 or 5 guys who just could not get there shit in one sack. They never did make it to the fmf, and once there you did what you were told to do or you ended up in an nco meeting at 1630.

Response by PO3 Rick Cisneros made Feb 15 at 2017 10:46 AM

PO3 Rick Cisneros — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:46:08 -0500

Can you say "BILGES"? Time to take a tour into the bilges and DIVE, DIVE, DIVE !! This puke and a couple others should do the trick. You don't have to kill the whole heard, just kill a couple in front of the heard.

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made Feb 15 at 2017 10:56 AM

LTC Orlando Illi — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:56:23 -0500

I would tell them once that they are out of line and that they will do as ordered. If they persisted I would stand them at attention, dismiss the formation and immediately bring them before the 1SG/CO with a recommendation to convene an Article 15 hearing. I would recommend that the individual spent the next two weeks on extra duty, lose a stripe and lose $150.00. If they still persisted in their imbecilic behavior - I would recommend that the individual be subject to a Chapter 14 . There is no room for impertinence or insubordination in the military - PERIOD. If you don't understand that - don't enlist. There are no safe spaces, no teddy bears and no pacifiers. Either perform your duty or pay the price.

Response by John Gann made Feb 15 at 2017 11:31 AM

John Gann — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 11:31:18 -0500

When I joined the army 1984,was thought to do what your told,pay attention to detail,because if you don't it could cost you,your life and the lives of my platoon. YOU have people joining the military that has no respect for their own self.This is no free ride.A punch in the throat want leave a mark.If you disrespect that's what happens. We as U.S. Soldiers set examples.Not made of one!

Response by Lizzie Grey made Feb 15 at 2017 1:50 PM

Lizzie Grey — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:50:16 -0500

Handle it swiftly and in a way that everyone in formation "gets it". If something doesn't get handled immediately, and if it's not perfectly clear the first time, it's pretty useless.

Response by PO1 Jose Ramirez made Feb 15 at 2017 1:54 PM

PO1 Jose Ramirez — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:54:09 -0500

I will bring him to an office with another Supervisor and talk tontje person find out what going on, why he is refusing tondonthe staff and find out thats going on in his personal life that could be effecting his judgment. I will remaind her or her what he duties are and what will be the concicuenses for not following an order, hopefully they will follow the order after that, if not i will advice my Superior of the situation regardless if he or she does the task or not.

If the choose to do the task, i will make sure the understand and the know how to execute the task by either assigning some one that can assist in the process and training and at tue end of the task i will verify if the job is completed properly at that time i can either praise or train the person depending on the completed job.

Response by LCpl Whitney Hall made Feb 15 at 2017 1:55 PM

LCpl Whitney Hall — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:55:45 -0500

Grab Twist Pull and then heal stomp

Response by PO2 Fred Woodberry Jr made Feb 15 at 2017 2:22 PM

PO2 Fred Woodberry Jr — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:22:15 -0500

Discipline

Response by PO2 William Miller made Feb 15 at 2017 2:53 PM

PO2 William Miller — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:53:07 -0500

Remind the E2 that not following orders can potentially kill people. I would then charge with disobeying a direct order, but only after getting 100 push ups from the E2.

Response by Sgt Maximo Garcia made Feb 15 at 2017 3:56 PM

Sgt Maximo Garcia — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:56:33 -0500

Run this turd into the dirt until his asshole bleeds!

Response by SPC Frank Gross made Feb 15 at 2017 4:10 PM

SPC Frank Gross — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:10:17 -0500

PT him til he drops. He learns a lesson as even the dumbest box of rocks understands exhaustion and you will have a better fit member of your team while exercising your authority over him. win win

Response by SPC Frank Gross made Feb 15 at 2017 4:10 PM

SPC Frank Gross — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:10:52 -0500

PT him til he drops. He learns a lesson as even the dumbest box of rocks understands exhaustion and you will have a better fit member of your team while exercising your authority over him. win win

Response by SSgt Vincent Balderrama made Feb 15 at 2017 4:15 PM

SSgt Vincent Balderrama — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:15:06 -0500

make them do push ups until my arms got tired.

Response by CPL Mikey Nikolakopulos made Feb 15 at 2017 4:15 PM

CPL Mikey Nikolakopulos — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:15:35 -0500

Be all up in that ASS!

Response by Capt Michael Gaddis made Feb 15 at 2017 4:32 PM

Capt Michael Gaddis — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:32:38 -0500

As a platoon commander I look at the Platoon sergeant give him a nod then turn my back while he wails on the kid.

When I turn back all is good

Response by SSgt Terry Staley made Feb 15 at 2017 5:19 PM

SSgt Terry Staley — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:19:38 -0500

Throat punch and say "I guess your going to sick call for that sore throat first. Make sure you finish this task before you secure for the day after ward."

Response by PO1 Kevin Colley made Feb 15 at 2017 5:41 PM

PO1 Kevin Colley — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 17:41:02 -0500

Excuse everyone except him and his team leader and explain to him how miserable his life will get if he ever does that again. Not picking on his team leader but since he will be in charge of his work detail, they will both be doing extra duty of cleaning a compartment or whipping up oil some where. Thats what I would do.

Response by PO3 Richard Langley made Feb 15 at 2017 7:27 PM

PO3 Richard Langley — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:27:48 -0500

UCMJ INSUBORDINATION

Response by SPC Myron Davis made Feb 15 at 2017 7:39 PM

SPC Myron Davis — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:39:27 -0500

I would put his body through the most physical training, till he agree that he does as he is told by his senior rank!!

Response by PFC David Trachuk made Feb 15 at 2017 7:39 PM

PFC David Trachuk — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:39:41 -0500

Tell em they're going to do wtf i tell them or they can get the f out the military.

Response by SFC Glenn Boyer made Feb 15 at 2017 7:49 PM

SFC Glenn Boyer — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 19:49:01 -0500

Put foot up someones anus canal

Response by PVT Guy Maggio made Feb 15 at 2017 8:19 PM

PVT Guy Maggio — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:19:55 -0500

repeat boot camp

Response by John Paro made Feb 15 at 2017 8:33 PM

John Paro — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:33:24 -0500

Ask the right questions, get the wrong answers is the right way to escalate anger...should push come to shove, a little wall-to-wall counseling wouldn't be out of order.

Response by CW4 Serge Corvington made Feb 15 at 2017 9:00 PM

CW4 Serge Corvington — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:00:11 -0500

100 push ups.

Response by SP5 Bill Cunnane made Feb 15 at 2017 9:04 PM

SP5 Bill Cunnane — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:04:39 -0500

Get in their face make sure they know they have overstepped the line and take corrective actions

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2017 9:44 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:44:12 -0500

Drop him or make him an example

Response by PFC Brandon Overby made Feb 15 at 2017 9:48 PM

PFC Brandon Overby — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:48:31 -0500

Simple. Beat Your Face Private!

Response by Michael Phare made Feb 15 at 2017 10:04 PM

Michael Phare — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:04:38 -0500

I cant wait to hear the pop when you head comes out of your AZZ....will always remember that one when I got mouthy...;-/~

Response by Cpl Rodolfo Valencia made Feb 15 at 2017 10:39 PM

Cpl Rodolfo Valencia — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:39:40 -0500

Me: "Excuse you. OH, REALLY! Well look here, we got Mr. No with us don't we?

Response by PFC Tex Smith made Feb 15 at 2017 10:40 PM

PFC Tex Smith — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:40:03 -0500

Go be hind the barracks, strip your shirts off, then teach him some manners. Or that's how it was done 55yrs ago.

Response by MSgt Michael Dee made Feb 15 at 2017 10:45 PM

MSgt Michael Dee — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:45:03 -0500

punch

Response by LCpl Jake Estes made Feb 15 at 2017 10:49 PM

LCpl Jake Estes — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:49:47 -0500

you talk to your confidant who is closer in rank to that fukk face, and who is also respected by many others, to talk some sense into him by running him up the local hill with two sands bags on his body until he conforms. if he refuses to follow orders after that, court martial. brig. been there the real marines are in the brigs!!

Response by SP6 Roy Dowell made Feb 15 at 2017 10:59 PM

SP6 Roy Dowell — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:59:17 -0500

Get a handle on the situation right now, try to find out what's up with the soldier in private and if it is insubordination crank his dumbass and then ar15 him.

Response by Cpl James Nannery made Feb 15 at 2017 11:07 PM

Cpl James Nannery — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:07:46 -0500

Thank you for volunteering, for weekend firewatch. at a minimum

Response by PO3 Chad Richard made Feb 15 at 2017 11:56 PM

PO3 Chad Richard — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:56:42 -0500

Give him a worse job

Response by SFC Randall Thaxton made Feb 15 at 2017 11:57 PM

SFC Randall Thaxton — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 23:57:42 -0500

First off, I'm old army, I would haul the sucker out behind the barracks and give him a stern talking too, if you get my drift.

Response by LCpl Gary Palmeri made Feb 16 at 2017 12:07 AM

LCpl Gary Palmeri — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:07:52 -0500

push ups until I got tired

Response by Jake Allen Jacob made Feb 16 at 2017 12:51 AM

Jake Allen Jacob — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:51:12 -0500

Give it to another E2 and give him a harder task

Response by SGT Max Rockatansky made Feb 16 at 2017 12:59 AM

SGT Max Rockatansky — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:59:39 -0500

From what word is lately, it is no longer wall to wall counseling, but rather; well let's all sit and hold hands and talk about our feelings for a bit. I was doing bit of contract work on post last year and worked in SRP and saw cadets get to chit chat and sit in chairs. In my enlisted in processing SRP it was stand in line at parade rest and don't so much as cough or you will get mass punishment overhead arm claps the rest of the day lol.

Response by Joe Williams made Feb 16 at 2017 1:54 AM

Joe Williams — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 01:54:30 -0500

Drop and give me 100

Response by Sgt Bob Scott made Feb 16 at 2017 4:03 AM

Sgt Bob Scott — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 04:03:48 -0500

I dig his ass then I'd give him night watch because them young e-2's hate when they loose there liberty . And he still does the job I first assigned.

Response by LCpl Travis Mcdonald made Feb 16 at 2017 7:07 AM

LCpl Travis Mcdonald — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:07:47 -0500

Rip his dick right off

Response by Karen Kennedy-Murphy made Feb 16 at 2017 7:18 AM

Karen Kennedy-Murphy — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:18:25 -0500

Major pt

Response by SGT Bill Beisler made Feb 16 at 2017 7:36 AM

SGT Bill Beisler — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:36:21 -0500

Chest Punch

Response by TSgt Mike Jenkins made Feb 16 at 2017 7:38 AM

TSgt Mike Jenkins — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 07:38:02 -0500

Immediate response and formal discipline.

Response by SP6 Aj Stanley made Feb 16 at 2017 8:44 AM

SP6 Aj Stanley — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:44:05 -0500

Get down and beat your face... Up Downs too

Response by CPL Tevin Morris made Feb 16 at 2017 9:36 AM

CPL Tevin Morris — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 09:36:51 -0500

Fucking drop private

Response by PO1 David Marvin made Feb 16 at 2017 10:01 AM

PO1 David Marvin — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 10:01:51 -0500

Drop them

Response by HN Finley Yoakum Sr made Feb 16 at 2017 11:33 AM

HN Finley Yoakum Sr — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:33:38 -0500

He would be disciplined, and it not be a politically correct manner.

Response by MSgt Gene B. made Feb 16 at 2017 11:55 AM

MSgt Gene B. — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:55:36 -0500

I was an NCO for 18 of my 21 years in the service. I always followed the "praise in public, criticize in private" rule. While there is a need to assert my authority, it never went any further than saying loudly enough for those in the immediate area to hear, "I'll see you in my office as soon as you are dismissed here."

Response by Albert J Saldana made Feb 16 at 2017 12:08 PM

Albert J Saldana — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:08:54 -0500

Call him a pussy.

Response by SSG Tim Boney made Feb 16 at 2017 12:23 PM

SSG Tim Boney — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:23:47 -0500

Pvt Wagonass is going to accomplish his task or go see the commander and he will relive him of his funds.

Response by MSG Elliott H Gray made Feb 16 at 2017 12:38 PM

MSG Elliott H Gray — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:38:06 -0500

15 day restriction to barracks, extra duty either on post or off performing graffiti removal!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2017 12:43 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:43:23 -0500

Does CCU ( Correctional Custody Unit) exist anymore? That fixes problem children.

Response by PO3 Rick Campbell made Feb 16 at 2017 1:36 PM

PO3 Rick Campbell — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:36:36 -0500

short tour

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2017 3:15 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:15:18 -0500

That is when I would ask the person standing to the side of said "smart mouth" (what are they serving for food in the brig?) of course the answer is (Bread and water). Then I would look back to said smart mouth and ask (does this sound good to you?)

Response by Cpl Dale Bennett made Feb 16 at 2017 3:41 PM

Cpl Dale Bennett — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:41:44 -0500

You make an example of him. The military is no place for civilian behavior

Response by Patricia Guy made Feb 16 at 2017 4:16 PM

Patricia Guy — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:16:47 -0500

K-P

Response by CPT Hank Lunsford made Feb 16 at 2017 4:28 PM

CPT Hank Lunsford — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:28:05 -0500

Article 15.

Response by SSgt Bruce Miesse made Feb 16 at 2017 4:32 PM

SSgt Bruce Miesse — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:32:12 -0500

Remain after formation with team leader for counseling, if result not satisfactory, formal punishment/consequences

Response by LCpl Aaron Martin made Feb 16 at 2017 5:37 PM

LCpl Aaron Martin — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:37:57 -0500

Rip his soul from his chest and eat it in front of the rest of formation

Response by SSgt Timothy Smith made Feb 16 at 2017 9:08 PM

SSgt Timothy Smith — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:08:33 -0500

I would write him up so he would face article 15 for failure to follow a law order. This would be the first step. Second step would be to recommend reduction in rank and forfeiture of 3 months pay to the Company Commader.

Response by PO2 Jeffrey Armstrong made Feb 16 at 2017 11:24 PM

PO2 Jeffrey Armstrong — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 23:24:35 -0500

EXTRA MILITARY INSTRUCTION (EMI) and if that didn't work Captains
Mast

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 1:03 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 01:03:31 -0500

I'd put him as squad leader over his whole squad and tell them they have less than 2 hours to construct a medium girder bridge with flak and Kevlar or else they will be doing it again the next day and see if he talks back again.

Response by PV2 Erik Vieira made Feb 17 at 2017 10:26 AM

PV2 Erik Vieira — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:26:51 -0500

Respectful he sounds like a stuck up asswhole or whole ass which ever

Response by SSG Drill Sgt Yanetsko made Feb 17 at 2017 11:28 AM

SSG Drill Sgt Yanetsko — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:28:30 -0500

Lock him up and let him have it ! NO doubt! The real issue here isn't with this specific situation between this soldier and this NCO, the question is "Why does this soldier have a mind set that allows him to think he can disrespect a NCO when given orders?" It sounds like either that particular NCO had a lock of professionalism that put him in the position, or the Army has changed to the point where that type of behavior has been tolerated. Either way I say Lock his Ass up and let him have it!

Response by Wilber E Roman Sr made Feb 17 at 2017 1:57 PM

Wilber E Roman Sr — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:57:30 -0500

100 push ups followed by the dead cockroach position for fifteen minutes

Response by SPC Roger Zingg made Feb 17 at 2017 2:15 PM

SPC Roger Zingg — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:15:45 -0500

2 months extra duty.

Response by SGT Bryan O'Reilly made Feb 17 at 2017 2:23 PM

SGT Bryan O'Reilly — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:23:06 -0500

Well after I got done feeling extremely frisky, I would tell this pvt that he was absolutely correct to not want to do his duty. I would then ask if he was familiar with how I ran my men and use an example, there are many, of someone else who shirked duty and the ensuing result.
Woe and doom on to you my example.

Response by SPC Butch Longshadow made Feb 17 at 2017 4:42 PM

SPC Butch Longshadow — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:42:42 -0500

In my day ass whooped and am article 15

Response by SGT Jared Taber made Feb 17 at 2017 5:19 PM

SGT Jared Taber — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 17:19:21 -0500

The dying cockroach!

Response by PO1 Richard Hathaway made Feb 17 at 2017 7:21 PM

PO1 Richard Hathaway — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:21:37 -0500

Test the limits of his or her physical endurance followed by doubling the assigned duty

Response by Robert Ichikawa made Feb 17 at 2017 7:43 PM

Robert Ichikawa — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:43:40 -0500

Throat pumch

Response by PO3 Art Escalante made Feb 17 at 2017 8:00 PM

PO3 Art Escalante — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 20:00:20 -0500

100 pushups or the stockade...

Response by 1SG Al Dyer made Feb 17 at 2017 8:44 PM

1SG Al Dyer — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 20:44:47 -0500

Give him a lawful order, if he still refuses, take him to the ISG. Np it in the bud.

Response by Pvt Luis Gutierrez made Feb 17 at 2017 11:03 PM

Pvt Luis Gutierrez — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:03:01 -0500

Chew him out

Response by SA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2017 11:46 PM

SA Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:46:15 -0500

Yeah that shouldn't happen I'm an E-2 and I'd never do that out of respect I'll make t to E-5 someday and then I'll get respect like that

Response by PVT Luther Haynes made Feb 18 at 2017 12:04 AM

PVT Luther Haynes — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:04:44 -0500

Most of the newbies greenhorns lack the respect that the higher commands have to watch over others and learn that everyone has been there. They need to follow orders and respect the higher command. I learned it, no big deal. Suck it up and carry on. Makes you part of the team. That's why they called it the United Armed Forces.

Response by SGT Michael Bradford made Feb 18 at 2017 11:27 AM

SGT Michael Bradford — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:27:08 -0500

Drop and give me 50 then report to CO for article 21

Response by SSgt George Johnson made Feb 18 at 2017 11:41 AM

SSgt George Johnson — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:41:56 -0500

Reprimanded immediately

Response by SGT Eric Shaw made Feb 18 at 2017 1:06 PM

SGT Eric Shaw — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:06:32 -0500

No room for disrespect! I would tell him to do the job he was ordered to do. And let him know if he wanted to continue to refuse, it could be a permanent job for a set period of time.... at a later time, approach him 1 on 1 and find out the reason for this action. If there's a legitimate reason I would work with him. If he's just a stubborn ass, I'd chew him up.

Response by Sgt A.J. Apodaca made Feb 18 at 2017 1:44 PM

Sgt A.J. Apodaca — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:44:04 -0500

Choke him.

Response by CPO James Little made Feb 18 at 2017 3:03 PM

CPO James Little — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:03:24 -0500

I would simply ask said individual the following question: "Think about what you are going to say before you respond. Are you refusing to follow a lawful order?" If said individual says 'yes' then I simply write him up and send his/her sorry butt to Captains Mast for insubordination and failure to follow a lawful order. End of story and with no need to get upset. If said individual replies 'no' and complies with the order. No problem, after the task is satisfactorily completed I then would council him/her so that the incident is documented for appraisal purposes and to also inform the division officer of the incident. Either way the individual will get corrective action and will understand that that kind of behavior will not be tolerated for one instant. If it ever occurs again there would be no second chance...write him/her up. Discipline at sea is a must. Lives are at stake 24 hrs. a day. Sailors must learn to follow orders, like it or not. The Navy doesn't want someone to blindly follow orders either. If the individual deems the order unsafe or unlawful they should then request to talk to the division officer for clarification.

Response by Cory McGovern made Feb 18 at 2017 5:36 PM

Cory McGovern — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 17:36:44 -0500

Tell him to get the fuck off the team

Response by Shawn Stewart made Feb 18 at 2017 8:04 PM

Shawn Stewart — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 20:04:33 -0500

Disciplinary action

Response by SP5 Ted Patton made Feb 18 at 2017 8:17 PM

SP5 Ted Patton — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 20:17:40 -0500

In my time (1969) there would have been an introduction into language only known to DI's, a world record set in pushing the Earth away, along with China finally being reached via a 6x6x unlimited. But, if ya got to post this question something is really f....d up now. Never saw the problem at Ft. Bragg or Ft. Eustis. Duty, Honor, Country and mail call.

Response by Cpl Kenneth Murphy made Feb 18 at 2017 8:39 PM

Cpl Kenneth Murphy — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 20:39:05 -0500

Report him to the Drill Instructor or Senior Drill Instructor

Response by Charles Shakur made Feb 18 at 2017 11:54 PM

Charles Shakur — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 23:54:30 -0500

I would get it back from the soldier he handed the assignment to and dare him without speaking to challenge my authority again

Response by PO2 Stephen Gallina made Feb 19 at 2017 5:13 AM

PO2 Stephen Gallina — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 05:13:57 -0500

I would pull them out of rank and file and pull him in to the LCPO's office giving him a chance to explain why he is in defiance, then tell him he is getting extra military instruction for disobeying a lawful order according to the UCMJ.

Response by Brandon Statham made Feb 19 at 2017 10:21 AM

Brandon Statham — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:21:28 -0500

Throat punch obviously

Response by Shaniece Ricks made Feb 19 at 2017 12:26 PM

Shaniece Ricks — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 12:26:55 -0500

Foot to ass. Lol

Response by TSgt Steve Wheeler made Feb 19 at 2017 2:01 PM

TSgt Steve Wheeler — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:01:28 -0500

Time to go drill instructor close. This troop needs an attitude change. I would inform him that he is to report to the 1St Sgt immediately, I would escort him if needed.

Response by SMSgt Donald Burrows made Feb 19 at 2017 2:29 PM

SMSgt Donald Burrows — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:29:49 -0500

I would counsel the E2 privately and explain the consequences of disobedience. If he still refuses, I would have no choice of charging him with an Article 15 for insubordination.

Response by SPC Joseph Mudd made Feb 19 at 2017 4:03 PM

SPC Joseph Mudd — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 16:03:47 -0500

Article 15, KP, guard duty

Response by PO3 John Beare made Feb 19 at 2017 5:08 PM

PO3 John Beare — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 17:08:29 -0500

Feeling very disrespected and most likely angry.

Response by PO2 Stephen Trieschmann made Feb 19 at 2017 5:34 PM

PO2 Stephen Trieschmann — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 17:34:52 -0500

Pack your seabag . Mess hall.

Response by SFC Regina Boyd made Feb 19 at 2017 8:54 PM

SFC Regina Boyd — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 20:54:16 -0500

Extra training for insubordination

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2017 9:15 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:15:44 -0500

This is a tough decision many leaders must handle correctly. First thing first, take control of the situation and control your emotions. Leaders must be able to handle difficult while also challenging situations like this. Next thing is have him stand at parade rest while talking with him. Explain to him the military bearing he lacks and talk with him calmly. This SM may be going through something. So next ask him is everything ok at home, does he need assistance, or need to speak with any service that can better help his situation. This Soldier may be going through a rough time, so firing back under emotions because a Private disrespected you may not be the most positive feedback. After you get the Soldier help right then and there, next explain to him how his actions were completely disrespectful and will not be tolerated. So Counsel this SM and let him know that for every action, there is a reaction; whether positive and/or Negative. In this case, disrespecting a superior in front of a formation shows a lack of discipline and military bearing. For the Plan of action, assuming your Commander was there and/or Platoon Leader At the formation, give them your recommendation as commanders are only authorized to punish Soldiers NOT NCOs.

Whether this Soldier was high speed, excelling, squared away, or however you want to call it. He was a good Soldier up until that point. These actions should never be tolerated nor ignored or you're creating a new standard for your Soldiers to emulate. Get this SM help immediately as needed, however, that recommendation IAW UCMJ should be followed up immediately as well. The standard is the standard and no one is waived from following it. This is just my position on the situation.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2017 9:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:55:23 -0500

I know as an E-1 I don't have much to say based on experience on this matter but why disrespect an NCO like this? There is no room for such insubordination in this Army. It does anger me that soldiers who are just a rank or two higher than I am think it's okay to just do whatever they want and say what they want to whoever. Show some respect to these men and women who outrank you they earned their rank so they can lead you to earn your own double chevron or higher.

Response by Raymond Lybarger made Feb 19 at 2017 10:37 PM

Raymond Lybarger — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 22:37:15 -0500

Full on discpline

Response by LCpl Mark Trail made Feb 20 at 2017 7:42 AM

LCpl Mark Trail — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 07:42:22 -0500

Wall to wall counseling.

Response by 1SG Pershon Davis made Feb 20 at 2017 8:39 AM

1SG Pershon Davis — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 08:39:58 -0500

Time to put skillcraft to use and seek ucmj action...

Response by SSG Timothy McBroom made Feb 20 at 2017 9:36 AM

SSG Timothy McBroom — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:36:19 -0500

Sounds like some extra training digging fighting positions after you have informed the poor stupid bastard that his ass belongs to uncle sam and he doesn't have a choice. Plus latrine councelling should be in order

Response by MSgt Michael Ness made Feb 20 at 2017 9:59 AM

MSgt Michael Ness — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:59:15 -0500

For his disregarding me, his entire flight/unit would be punished, I.e Full Metal Jacket

Response by CPL Thomas Petitt made Feb 20 at 2017 10:13 AM

CPL Thomas Petitt — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 10:13:42 -0500

Had similar situation in early 80s i was a corporal holding a e7 slot gave a pfc a job to do he refused i told him i hadnt started being an asshole yet but i could he still refused at that point i told him we were going to the 1st sgt office if i had to drap him there but to my suprise i was told to apologize to the private and was told i could be broughr up on charges because of the asshole comment

Response by SGT George N Blanchette made Feb 20 at 2017 10:23 AM

SGT George N Blanchette — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 10:23:05 -0500

Follow orders complain later.

Response by PVT Stanley Taglieber made Feb 20 at 2017 12:03 PM

PVT Stanley Taglieber — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:03:56 -0500

Ok private let's go I will show you the proper way then I will show you how your mouth got you a lot more jobs because you over tinned your ass with your mouth

Response by LtCol J W made Feb 20 at 2017 1:07 PM

LtCol J W — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 13:07:18 -0500

Back in the "OLD CORPS", I was an E-5 (Staff Sergeant), If that had happened to me, (in the Marine Corps the probability of such an event occurring was next to none.) that E-2 (PFC) would be grabbed by his stacking swivel, and pulled forward out of the group, to receive a severe discussion of his heredity, then given a few laps around the grinder until he realized that in the Corps, that sort of action is never permitted. He would also have been counseled by me on the proper way to do push ups for 10 - 15 minutes. It may possibly happen in the Corps, nowadays, but I doubt it. Sounds like a Dog face problem, and one that Marines never would experience!

Response by Paul Aycock made Feb 20 at 2017 5:36 PM

Paul Aycock — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:36:27 -0500

Same as above

Response by GySgt Lance Blackburn made Feb 20 at 2017 5:41 PM

GySgt Lance Blackburn — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:41:10 -0500

Close his mouth swiftly!!!

Response by CN Buddy Ham made Feb 20 at 2017 6:35 PM

CN Buddy Ham — Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:35:20 -0500

Nip this shit in the bud quick. Toss his rack and have everyone in the berthing abandon mother f$&@#%g ship. Then exercise the dog piss out of them. Then let his berthing mates adjust his attitude accordingly.

Response by CPO Robert Bayne made Feb 21 at 2017 12:57 AM

CPO Robert Bayne — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:57:23 -0500

Leave the formation at attention. Tell the E2 to return to quarters and pack his sea bag and report to personal for discharge. Dismiss the troops to their assignments. Escort the E2 to personal and assist with the paperwork. THAT is not what happens but it should . If subordinates won't follow their leaders you can't win. You don't need to spend the time to convince the E2 to do the right thing, they will put descent in the group and that can not be tolerated.

Response by SPC Ken Ross made Feb 21 at 2017 2:30 AM

SPC Ken Ross — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 02:30:07 -0500

pt his ass until your tired,then pt his some more

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2017 12:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 12:39:09 -0500

Oh, young dummy, you're going to learn today!

Start with smoking the crap out of him. If he continues to be disrespectful, counsel him for it, get witness statements, and recommend UCMJ action.

Response by SGT Brandon Barnes made Feb 21 at 2017 2:31 PM

SGT Brandon Barnes — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:31:29 -0500

You take pfc shitbird and smoke that fool till his momma pukes. Then put him back on said task if shitbird decides to piss off the task u ar15 and hall of shame this fool

Response by Edward Reavey made Feb 21 at 2017 4:14 PM

Edward Reavey — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:14:24 -0500

Leadership first followed by discipline

Response by Lt Col David Smith made Feb 21 at 2017 4:54 PM

Lt Col David Smith — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 16:54:22 -0500

LOR for insubordination. If further incidences, Article 15 and out the door. There is no room for his type of behavior. It disrupts morale and discipline and only serves to encourage others to adopt the same type of attitude.

Response by PO1 Gregory Bolin made Feb 21 at 2017 5:08 PM

PO1 Gregory Bolin — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:08:10 -0500

out behind the boat house

Response by PO3 Ron Harman made Feb 21 at 2017 8:21 PM

PO3 Ron Harman — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 20:21:58 -0500

Fan room consultations are still a thing. If the subordinate sailor is otherwise facing official action, he would probably prefer to "slip in the shower" over facing charges of insubordination.

Response by CSM Gregory Scott made Feb 21 at 2017 9:22 PM

CSM Gregory Scott — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 21:22:58 -0500

The young man is about to get a new outlook on life. I would have the hole platoon due is work and have him set down an is brothers due the work. They will see that doses not happen again.

Response by SPC Shane Porter made Feb 21 at 2017 11:20 PM

SPC Shane Porter — Tue, 21 Feb 2017 23:20:01 -0500

Smoke his f#@<!ng ass off... this type of behavior in theatre can cost lives... point blank. This tender feelings bs is what's wrong with our country now.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2017 12:09 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 00:09:39 -0500

Pain retains. I learned all my knowledge quick when I was a boot and never talked back to my seniors unless I wanted to spend the night in the front leaning rest or writing essays or the million other stupid games that can be played that don't involve getting the shit beat out of you. Then again now the corps is soft now and so is the rest of the country. This generation will ruin the military

Response by Cpl David Meadows made Feb 22 at 2017 3:11 AM

Cpl David Meadows — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 03:11:31 -0500

Good deal, marine... You get to spend the day with me, no exceptions!!

Response by SrA Craig Fletcher made Feb 22 at 2017 8:02 AM

SrA Craig Fletcher — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:02:14 -0500

His refusal in front of peers is unacceptable and should be addressed on the spot. During my stint during the last two years of the Vietnam war if this happened you would be taken out back a had an attitude adjustment. In today's world I am sure that is not allowed anymore but should be as it garnered respect.

Response by Christofer Flanary made Feb 22 at 2017 11:43 AM

Christofer Flanary — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:43:53 -0500

I know what you vets are thinking but I am an nco in MCJROTC and I've had this happen a number of times, we take care of the situation pretty simply, first we tell them to slow theyre roll, if don't comply we fall them out talk, not working, open punishment to class easy. If that doesn't work then they get that boot.

Response by MSgt Robert Fritz made Feb 22 at 2017 4:36 PM

MSgt Robert Fritz — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 16:36:05 -0500

There would be a wall out there somewhere your your face planted on it with me "calmly" explaining why you will do what you are told, when you are told, and you will keep your mouth shut........

Response by SSG Charles Holleran made Feb 22 at 2017 5:43 PM

SSG Charles Holleran — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 17:43:29 -0500

First tell to at ease, then take him to a area away from the other soldiers and get to the bottom of why he did what he did. I would make it very clear of who he is and who I am and the consequences he could face for disrespect to an NCO. If he continues the disrespect then I would get the chain of command involved. I did have such an issue during Iraqi Freedom when I returned from Iraq after being injured and I took the position of PLT SGT and had a soldier who was more than disrespectful. I couldn't have him put in jail and had written him about 10+ times and had no success in correcting his attitude. He was eventually discharged.

Response by SFC Michael Eshenbaugh made Feb 22 at 2017 6:28 PM

SFC Michael Eshenbaugh — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:28:32 -0500

What bullshit, politically correct, idiotic responses.
"Give him time to explain insubordination."
You have got to be kidding.
Say nothing and bring him up on charges. In a disciplined Military, you must take action immediately. Now I know, in the last eight years, lower EMs have been allowed to ask for time outs, incorrectly wear their hair and uniform and mouth off. Time to get this corrected, immediately. Boot these buttheads out. They will only be trouble. And Cpl, grow a set.

Response by SPC Dennis Zendejas made Feb 22 at 2017 7:12 PM

SPC Dennis Zendejas — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:12:31 -0500

pull him to the side and smoke the fuck out of him.......

Response by SSG Michael Lutz made Feb 22 at 2017 8:12 PM

SSG Michael Lutz — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:12:43 -0500

Sick and tired of this namby pamby treatment, of troops that blatantly disrespect authority. Dismiss everyone, except the private and his team leader. Take both to the First Sergeants
Office. Have Private explain to him the reason for his insubordination, and refusal of a direct order. Let Top decide how best to handle him, for me I would lock him up, push for a dishonorable discharge.

Response by PO2 Bryan Tague made Feb 22 at 2017 10:58 PM

PO2 Bryan Tague — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 22:58:19 -0500

we called that "dogging wrench discipline"

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2017 11:17 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 23:17:49 -0500

I am now a very senior Colonel, though, many years ago I was a SGT. I remember in jump school (as an E2) I saw a student smart off to a black hat (instructor), several instructors took him behind a building, he emerged about 5 minutes later, he was a little ruffled and did exactly as he was told. My point, sometimes the old ways are the best. The military is not for everyone, if it was, we wouldn't be the elite of society. It is the job of leaders, CPL and above, to ensure young troops are grounded on basic discipline, the discipline that saves lives in combat. As for this case (and I was still a SGT) he would have remained in the front leaning rest position while I instructed him in the duty, permitted only to ask questions to clarify the task. Once the task was complete he would have completed PT in a mud puddle until he puked. I would never see such a thing today, if I did I would ask my SGM to handle it.

Response by CPL Dale Ray made Feb 22 at 2017 11:27 PM

CPL Dale Ray — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 23:27:33 -0500

Just "DO IT and FORGET ABOUT IT".... "It Just Don't Matter..." (US Army E4 1972 Vietnam Era) "Boo Coo Dinky Dow..."

Response by GySgt Jerry Austin made Feb 23 at 2017 6:34 AM

GySgt Jerry Austin — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 06:34:37 -0500

Dismiss the platoon and have the E-2 stand fast along with his NCO/Team Leader whoever is next in this turd's chain of command. Ensure that this NCO/Team Leader fully understands what he expects from junior leaders who have others in their wing who under their guidance. Zero tolerance for disobeying a lawful order and that if it occurs again the E2 will pay the piper and understands if he doesn't like the military that his/her disobedience to appropriate and lawful orders is a quick way to leave it with BCD, Dishonorable Discharge. With that paper comes the loss of educational benefits and others (VA loans to buy a house) just to name a few. Also to this E2's immediate superior that perhaps he/she needs to rethink their leadership skills in dealing with this E2 and that you are always their for guidance. Don't give on the guy, but also don't let him buck appropriate authority either. This E2 is not there just to collect a paycheck on the duties he wants to fulfill.

Response by SSG Buddy Kemper made Feb 23 at 2017 8:14 AM

SSG Buddy Kemper — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 08:14:10 -0500

I would PT him/her until they shit themselves, then PT them some more. And I would expound 1 Corinthians 4:6-13 the whole time. Best wishes and thanks for your service.

Response by SGT Ben Roberts made Feb 23 at 2017 10:05 AM

SGT Ben Roberts — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:05:12 -0500

You smoke the shit out of him and remind him when he stands in the chain of command and when he has the right to refuse an order. Then after all that is finished don't let him leave just all pissed and thinking your an ass or jerk which I really don't care because you're doing your job. Sit him down or take it to the shade or have an informal one on one and try to find out what's going on if this is abnormal for him. If not remind him if he doesn't change and this behavior continues you will see him on his way out of the military by any means necessary.

Response by SSgt Christopher Hetkey made Feb 23 at 2017 11:35 AM

SSgt Christopher Hetkey — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 11:35:23 -0500

I'd find the nearest Buck SGT and have him smoke the youngster ass. Or do they not do that anymore?

Response by SPC Tommy Dean made Feb 23 at 2017 12:21 PM

SPC Tommy Dean — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 12:21:05 -0500

Ask him how long it's been since he had his gums bled. If he has a smart ass reply, then hook him up at the earliest possible convenience.

Response by PO3 Patrick Palkowski made Feb 23 at 2017 1:29 PM

PO3 Patrick Palkowski — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:29:36 -0500

Make a public example of him.

Response by David Barton made Feb 23 at 2017 2:05 PM

David Barton — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 14:05:15 -0500

i would have him put in the brigg for a time

Response by Capt Charles Morrison made Feb 23 at 2017 5:18 PM

Capt Charles Morrison — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:18:29 -0500

Reach over and grab my collar look to see me rank insignia, and loudly ask, "Did my shit fall off?" Sgt Holzhauser in 1970 taught very effective communications.

Response by PFC Roy Rini made Feb 23 at 2017 5:48 PM

PFC Roy Rini — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 17:48:45 -0500

remedial training Followed by a counseling statement extra duties and if he continues with his mouth and lack of respect for his chain of command then meeting with higher up

Response by SFC Jerome Ludwig made Feb 23 at 2017 6:47 PM

SFC Jerome Ludwig — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 18:47:14 -0500

remind him I've never lost an ambush,,,doesn't have to be physical just have him hold fast along with his team leader to let him reconsider his response.

Response by CPT Chris Newport made Feb 23 at 2017 9:11 PM

CPT Chris Newport — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:11:37 -0500

His mouth as well as his brain - what there is of it, must be rearranged, perhaps privately. and or brought on charges or singled out for special duties until he realizes to get along you must go along.

Response by SSgt Stephen Mills made Feb 23 at 2017 9:14 PM

SSgt Stephen Mills — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:14:19 -0500

Wall to wall council.

Response by SSG Dave Hampton made Feb 23 at 2017 11:35 PM

SSG Dave Hampton — Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:35:54 -0500

Been there, done that. I have sharply reminded them that they are an E-2 in the United States Army and I am an E-5. They'll do the assignment and keep their mouth shut about of the UCMJ will apply. "You can do the assignment or be charged with an Article-15". Then he'll be an E-1, lose half a months pay and I'll have him for 14 days extra duty in the evenings. No big deal.

Response by SSG Randy Willingham made Feb 24 at 2017 1:10 AM

SSG Randy Willingham — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 01:10:20 -0500

Get him or her to the side and counsel them on where they were out of line and to be advised that they were going to be an E1 again.

Response by SPC Dennis Escobar made Feb 24 at 2017 9:37 AM

SPC Dennis Escobar — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 09:37:59 -0500

Just apply UCMJ, if it doesn't work, repeat and if not jailtime and a dishonor discharge. Since we started to be politicaly correct this military started going down hill...

Response by Cpl Chad Weller made Feb 24 at 2017 10:17 AM

Cpl Chad Weller — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:17:20 -0500

It's an issue that needs to be addressed right away. Of course, you could put said PFC in his place right then and there but then you are going to be that leader. The kind that has to lead with fear and public punishment. I'd say, have him standby. Ask him what's going on? Not to avoid punishment but to figure out whether he is having a rough day or he os just a disrespectful punk who thinks he rates. Then, take him out and run him into the dirt. Train him to push physically and mentally. Explain to him, "you know, I understand you might be going something, but I can't let you pull that stuff in front of everyone else and set a poor example. I'm going to have to do something." Make him burn all of his aggression out until he earns his discipline. Make it a learning experience. Learn what he can take physically and what he can take mentally. Make a teamwork exercise. Make everything he does require that it takes two so that he can learn the respect of a leader and his subordinate. Teach him that you are his leader and when he feels like giving in, you are going to be there to lead him to the finish. You are going to expect more from him and you aren't going to allow him to do any less than the best that he can. Then have a counseling ready for him. After you are done bettering him, talk to him. Let him know that you have no hard feelings and that this is a chance for him to better himself and be a leader amongst his peers. Let him know that this is just another day and tomorrow, is a brand new day; you aren't going to hold a grudge against him. Remind him that you are there for him and that it's nothing personal. "Think of this as an opportunity to train and move forward. Never look backwards from here. Keep movin. You are a marine, remember that. Keep that title you earned. Every day you are out here, you are earning that EGA on your chest." Then move on. Let him demonstrate whether or not he needs further adjustment. If he is just a bad seed with a piss poor attitude, he is going to get himself kicked out eventually and there is nothing you can do to stop that. Be the leader that gives him the opportunity to change how other marines see him.

Response by SSG Robert Pratt made Feb 24 at 2017 10:30 AM

SSG Robert Pratt — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:30:00 -0500

Front leaning rest until I got tired!

Response by Sgt Michael Turic made Feb 24 at 2017 1:24 PM

Sgt Michael Turic — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 13:24:10 -0500

Having been a Sgt in the Corps and now 10 years as a juvenile probation officer and supervisor, I handle these situations much better. 1st isolate the negative impact on others, this is toxic to the team environment. 2nd remain calm, but commanding, fair and instructive in your presence maintain your position of leadership (lead from the front not your rear), instruct clear expectations and options to resolve conflict, not based on your opinion of the person, but from Corps Values (this is objective, principle based, and non judgemental, maintains the position of authority and leadership so you're not a hypocrite later when you screw up), learn about the Marine show genuine interest in why they are taking this position and what they are wanting, formulate a plan to achieve overall objective of the unit, leadership and their development. Do it in private so you're less likely to get blow back if they become defensive and attack (Marines don't usually flight, they fight). This will likely do nothing more than undermine your authority and position of leadership to the unit. You will be out of control. I've personally experienced this as a young Sgt., it's not good. If they are not amenable to redirection, move forward with your tools of redirection. All of this can be accomplished while maintaining Corps Values, tradition, maintain and build Esprit de Corps. It doesn't make you weak. The unit doesn't need to see what happens, they just need to know you are consistent, fair, firm all qualities if a great leader. They know, despite best efforts, some people are of poor quality. That person will either redirect, become rejected by the fold or ultimately released from their enlistment. Semper Fi.

Response by SGT Chad Berck made Feb 24 at 2017 2:04 PM

SGT Chad Berck — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 14:04:36 -0500

Head spin to private...laser eyes of death. "Private? Did I hear a No?", "Platoon, did that private verbalized a No, to me?". Yes Sergeant! Well, well. A damn conundrum here ladies. "NCO's front and center." "Private please join us at your convenience...'smirk'. "Private, you are going to lead the platoon today in some strenuous exercise designed to make us all better soldiers followed by your assigned duties." "You private will not participate. You will simply supervise."

Teaching moments ladies and gents. It's all about those teaching moments. Just like a good crisis, never let it go to waste.

Followed up by witnessed counseling and motivational speaking engagements together.

I tend to try and leave the brass, article 15's, etc out unless it's a repetive issue.

Response by Tilly Vee made Feb 24 at 2017 3:47 PM

Tilly Vee — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 15:47:11 -0500

Plain and simple he has no choice but to obey a direct order. If he fails to comply not only will he suffer the consequences but the group will, will lack of freedoms. It will get solved right quick.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2017 4:28 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:28:53 -0500

Have a tornado party and let the rest of the platoon take care of him with a blanket party.

Response by CPL Darin Dills made Feb 24 at 2017 4:58 PM

CPL Darin Dills — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:58:29 -0500

im retired but it was never a good thing to smart mouth in formation. mostly just run until they puked

Response by CPL Shannon Watts made Feb 24 at 2017 5:25 PM

CPL Shannon Watts — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 17:25:12 -0500

Front leaning rest position! MOVE!

Response by SGT Sunny Lalingua made Feb 24 at 2017 5:45 PM

SGT Sunny Lalingua — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 17:45:37 -0500

pull out my pen. start writing.

Response by Sgt Daniel Austin made Feb 24 at 2017 7:18 PM

Sgt Daniel Austin — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 19:18:26 -0500

Hit him dead square in the chest knock his assistant down

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2017 8:08 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 20:08:47 -0500

i will smoke the shit out of them and later on i will verbally counsel them.

Response by SFC James Green made Feb 24 at 2017 9:37 PM

SFC James Green — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 21:37:43 -0500

Response by SGT Tong Yi made Feb 24 at 2017 11:41 PM

SGT Tong Yi — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 23:41:56 -0500

I once had a specialist smart mouth me in formation. I took her aside after formation, it was close of day formation, and had her stand at parade rest, in the strictest sense (modified attention) and gave her a chewing of get life for about 30 mins with a write up. never had a problem again.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2017 1:16 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 01:16:06 -0500

I would skip over him, and give everyone else their job. Then after everyone fell out I would hold him back and explain in multiple ways why and how they would get the job done and for how long they would be doing it. If it continued to persist I would consult my E6 and proceed from there.

Response by SGT William Hartnett made Feb 25 at 2017 11:46 AM

SGT William Hartnett — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:46:26 -0500

teach him to duckwalk he would be one sorry son of a bitch

Response by SGT William Hartnett made Feb 25 at 2017 11:52 AM

SGT William Hartnett — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:52:10 -0500

i was in the 82nd in the sixties u pull that shit you are going to pay dearly for your actions

Response by SPC Maynard Sumner made Feb 25 at 2017 12:23 PM

SPC Maynard Sumner — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:23:08 -0500

I would tell him to give me fifty.

Response by MSgt Michelle Backus made Feb 25 at 2017 2:37 PM

MSgt Michelle Backus — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 14:37:42 -0500

Oh I would whisper in his ear and say you will expleted comments do it. And no one will know what I've said except him.

Response by LCDR Rich Mahone made Feb 25 at 2017 3:42 PM

LCDR Rich Mahone — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 15:42:44 -0500

In 1978, I had this happen when I was a "salty" 3rd Class Boatswain's Mate. I choked him out. The E2 pressed charges, I went to "mast" and my OIC, who was a very salty CWO4 Bos'n and Deep Sea Diving Officer, gave me a warning and said this would have been OK during Viet Nam but that we were in a new Navy and it wasn't tolerated anymore.

Response by Bobby Shafer made Feb 25 at 2017 5:14 PM

Bobby Shafer — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 17:14:53 -0500

SLAP the piss out of him, then give him laterine duty for the next month

Response by SSgt William Bartell made Feb 25 at 2017 6:58 PM

SSgt William Bartell — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 18:58:01 -0500

In my case we would remind the Airman . .one word . .RESPECT!! Then if necessary DEFINE the meaning of that word and tell he/or she that RESPECT is not only important in the military but vital in civilian life too!!

Response by James McCormick made Feb 25 at 2017 8:48 PM

James McCormick — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:48:14 -0500

Pull rank and make a formal complaint

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2017 8:51 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:51:41 -0500

Yes... dismiss the others to carry on with the task and then professionally rip some holy ass. These young kids need to understand that those in leadership roles have the authority per the UCMJ to give lawful orders and that they must be carried out. Any attitude or disobedience must be dealt with swiftly.

Response by SSgt B Barnes made Feb 25 at 2017 8:58 PM

SSgt B Barnes — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 20:58:22 -0500

Remind the young person that it was not a request but a directive and that his opinion of the directive was not requested and does not matter regarding his likes or dislikes concerning the task given and the he'd be well reminded to do as he is told rather than facing the alternative for disobedience and failure to follow directions given by a senior ranking person.

Response by SSG Ryan Kimble made Feb 25 at 2017 9:07 PM

SSG Ryan Kimble — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 21:07:54 -0500

Praise in public, punish in private, but since dickface wants to be blatantly disrespectful and have a dick measuring contest in public.....front back go his ass until he threw up!!

Response by SGT Cary Poe made Feb 25 at 2017 10:22 PM

SGT Cary Poe — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 22:22:57 -0500

I would let him know, without a doubt, that if he did not get to his assignment, I would put my leg so far up his ass the water on my knee would quench his thirst!

Response by Doug Collier made Feb 25 at 2017 10:55 PM

Doug Collier — Sat, 25 Feb 2017 22:55:56 -0500

I. Know tins will sound odd. Ok you want someone else to do your duty. .....you choose. Then both will perform theduty

Response by CPL Michae; Gould made Feb 26 at 2017 4:02 AM

CPL Michae; Gould — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 04:02:12 -0500

I would tell him just start pushing
Because it know room for defiance in any branch of the military.
Because we all know every thing we do in the military is to train for a bigger task
If he didn't think it was right he should had use tack and pull him a side and told him why he did not think he should have to do it
You don't have we respect person but do have to respect the rank ask long as he out rank he he have to listen to him and if you don't think it right go to some one higher then him. That y we have a Chang of command

Response by SGT Jw Cruz made Feb 26 at 2017 4:11 AM

SGT Jw Cruz — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 04:11:22 -0500

Take him to the woods at gun point and make him dig his own grave!

Response by SPC Jason Beverly made Feb 26 at 2017 9:08 AM

SPC Jason Beverly — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:08:02 -0500

I LOUDLY tell them that they signed up to be soldier and that orders are to be obeyed. There are plenty of way to punish a 'cruit who refuses to do what is necessary.

Response by FA Lloyd Carpenter made Feb 26 at 2017 9:54 AM

FA Lloyd Carpenter — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:54:09 -0500

Speak when spoken to

Response by SSG Duane Tyler made Feb 26 at 2017 3:21 PM

SSG Duane Tyler — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 15:21:01 -0500

Hmmm..... My army career started at the ripe age of 7 yrs old when my dad enlisted. I quickly adapted to his "new style" of parenting that consisted of him controlling what was most important to me.... MY PERSONAL TIME!! Ass whoopins became ineffective to me by the age of 10 or 11. By the time I was 17 he was a SFC-E7. I was feeling kinda of froggy one day because I was tired of his treatment because "I was almost a man". Some how, I fixed my mouth to say the words 'NO"!!! And when I woke up....... I remember him telling me why he did it and if I did not respect him in "his house" I would not learn to respect others or myself in the future. Therefore, no one would ever have respect for me. Then he asked me what my problem was. 2 yrs later at the age of 19 I enlisted and it all became clear to me. Think before you do because there my be a problem with an individual personally and as leaders we need to get to the root of it. Also, when we pin that rank on some of us believe that it comes with superhuman strength. It does not. We don't hear about it much but I have witnessed a "dickhead" NCO get his ass kicked on a few occasions way before we started considering these new soldiers "bad apples". I stopped hollering and screaming my last 7 yrs of my career and I did my duty with a pen and readymade counselings. Less stress on me and a better understanding for each other. That was the best angle for me. Put a smile on your face while your doing it too. They hate that. LOL

Response by SPC Dean Leonard made Feb 26 at 2017 6:08 PM

SPC Dean Leonard — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 18:08:15 -0500

Brat ur face soldier

Response by PO3 Rick Chervenak made Feb 26 at 2017 8:49 PM

PO3 Rick Chervenak — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:49:32 -0500

As a former FMF DOC I had this happen to me by a new Marine fresh out of boot. I gave him an order and I believe his response was " I don't take orders from a squid." Being taken back by the response I received for a brief moment, I paused before I told him to drop, and before I even had the chance to educate this young Devil Dog my Gunny just so happened to be walking up behind this youngster and snatched him up by his collar and made it crystal clear to this young Marine that he would never question an order from an NCO, and if he ever heard of him calling his DOC a squid again that he would take him to the wood shed. After the youngster was done being educated by my Gunny. He was excused, very tired and sweaty. My Gunny then turned to me and said. " DOC, if you ever hesitate to put another junior Marine in his place, I'll ensure you will feel more pain than all of that motrin stuff in the world won't be able to fix you". Needless to say, I never had a problem with a junior Marine or any other junior again.
That being said, it was a different time, but I still feel that the military should not change. Those moments of getting smoked, taken to the wood shed etc... Is what built character, and it ensured that all orders were followed without question or hesitation. So if in today's military orders are able to be questioned or blatantly disobeyed then it would create a disastrous result. So may answer to the question is simple.. Smoke that junior Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman. No questions, no hesitation. Period.

Response by PFC Eric Bast made Feb 26 at 2017 10:50 PM

PFC Eric Bast — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 22:50:13 -0500

Depends on how jacked up the E5 was the other few months. You can't beat a deadhorse and expect a race horse

Response by SN Michael Graham made Feb 26 at 2017 11:58 PM

SN Michael Graham — Sun, 26 Feb 2017 23:58:32 -0500

Coming from a Military School that made basic training in the Navy seem like child's play. I would inform the entire unit that due to one of it's members lack of military etiquette they would be drilling and running the next two days. If bye chance after said drilling and running they could pull together as a unit. There would be know need for any further enlightenment. Let the unit take care of it's own theology.

Response by CPL Karl Goehring made Feb 27 at 2017 12:45 AM

CPL Karl Goehring — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 00:45:11 -0500

Have him stand fast after formation falls out, and get his story, verbal reprimand, or written if necessary and forward information up the chain if required.

Response by SGT Roy Webber made Feb 27 at 2017 9:44 AM

SGT Roy Webber — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:44:42 -0500

Well! I'm not going to comment on the now. This should have all been handled by the Drill Sargent that sent him to you. Being an old Drill myself we put out a lot before they ever got to permanent party, for this very thing. The Drills now are nothing more than babysitters. This country has gone soft and we ( the old salts of the earth ) need to try to bring back order and disapline to all the youngsters, military and nonmilitary. I don't blame the Drill Sargent their hands are tied also. People now have no respect for anyone to include themselves. That's what needs to chang and that starts in the home.

Response by SSG Brian Carpeneter made Feb 27 at 2017 10:05 AM

SSG Brian Carpeneter — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:05:04 -0500

SSG RET
In my platoon he would have been verbally challenged then publicly smoked to death to set an example to others about who I am what my authority means and the example I will make of anyone.

Response by PO3 Therron Dumas made Feb 27 at 2017 10:23 AM

PO3 Therron Dumas — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 10:23:10 -0500

Unfortunately he still wet behind the ears and doesn't really know what military bearing is. So he needs to be taught. You can meet him halfway by losing some of your military bearing and give him a little of what he's giving you to show him I haven't always wore this uniform either. Or stay in your Zone and handle him with paperwork

Response by TSgt Daryle Brzezinski made Feb 27 at 2017 12:54 PM

TSgt Daryle Brzezinski — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 12:54:03 -0500

Assign the pfc an even shittier assignment. If he refuses again, start LOC paperwork.

Response by SPC Rick Wyatt made Feb 27 at 2017 2:25 PM

SPC Rick Wyatt — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:25:07 -0500

where is the video of the throat punch, thats why I gave my information!!! The answer is obvious isnt it??? You dont do anything because the pussies today need a stress card, are you kidding me ?? Punch em' in the breadbox or give them a good old marine corp knife hand and let em get woozy to know you are not playing and this is training for war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SFC Archie Williams made Feb 27 at 2017 2:40 PM

SFC Archie Williams — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:40:11 -0500

Sorry, IF I am going to praise in public I am going to punish in public as well when it comes to pure insubordination.

Response by SPC Edward St Martin made Feb 27 at 2017 3:41 PM

SPC Edward St Martin — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:41:25 -0500

I fall out the rest of the troops and have the E 2 stand fast. Once we are face to face, I explain to him how the chain of command works and why he will follow my orders or be written up and given extra duty for insubordination that he really doesn't want!!

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2017 4:25 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:25:24 -0500

aww man I thought this was a video..

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Feb 27 at 2017 5:28 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 17:28:45 -0500

There was a time when smart mouths were regulated to the mess hall grease pit. This usually resulted in a domino effect of fellow soldiers conducting a shower party with attention to eliminating the oder and the soldier getting his head screwed on right. Too, an article 18, can reduction in rank, forfeiture of pay heals the worse offender

Response by SN Dennis Scheffer made Feb 27 at 2017 5:44 PM

SN Dennis Scheffer — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 17:44:47 -0500

I would issue this direct order one last time if same response from the E-2 he would be brought up on charges of refusing a direct order and face a captains mast and forced out of the Military and Dishonorably Discharged

Response by PFC Justin Grotte made Feb 27 at 2017 8:56 PM

PFC Justin Grotte — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:56:52 -0500

Even as an E3, I understand we are asked to do things we dont like, but there is nothing command ask of you that they have not done a million and one times themselves to get where they are at in their career. Accept it and drive on. You signed a contract, we all did. It is a privilege to serve, but it is our duty to comply. Insubordination should not be tolerated. If you have an issue, you are part of a team. Compose yourself, and speak to your command after formation. This is what it truly means to serve your country.

Response by Sgt Michael Charrette made Feb 27 at 2017 9:05 PM

Sgt Michael Charrette — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:05:52 -0500

Gut punch

Response by SFC Walt Dellinger made Feb 27 at 2017 10:08 PM

SFC Walt Dellinger — Mon, 27 Feb 2017 22:08:42 -0500

The fact that all my soldiers were initially councelled on what was expected by me of them, they already know the consequences to disobeying an order I have taken some rank, never took money directly as in article 15, and the first time I took rank was from a constantly tardy soldier, I had the 1SG with me when I councelled him, and recommended reduction in rank, from SPC to PFC, as he was signing it the 1SG asked him if he had read it? The soldier replied yes. The 1SG said you know he's recommending a reduction in rank, the soldier said, yeah but that's just a recommendation, the 1SG said, yes and now give me your rank go to supply and pickup your PFC rank.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2017 12:36 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 00:36:13 -0500

I have never believed in this whole PRAISE IN PUBLIC, PUNISH IN PRIVATE, BULLSHIT!
I WOULD SMOKE THE SHIT OUT PRIVATE FUCKTARD IN FRONT OF EVERYONE! That way NO ONE would question my authority again!
I know I would get some whining from higher ups but what the hell I still got my point acrossed ( It's better to ask for forgiveness then beg for permission)!

Response by CPO Art Cappabianca made Feb 28 at 2017 1:27 AM

CPO Art Cappabianca — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 01:27:28 -0500

I would re-state the order one more time, just to make sure he understood. If he then refused he would be charged with insubordination.

Response by LT Homer Reagan made Feb 28 at 2017 4:52 AM

LT Homer Reagan — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 04:52:06 -0500

In this "platoon or barracks environment" with multiples making up a team...shared assumption of tasks and responsibility is important. This superstar wants to standout...so let his teammates help him reach his goal. The whole team struggles until this maggot gets the recognition he is asking for from ALL his teammates. A good workout, calasthenics, cleaning drill and perhaps watch volunteering for all his peers will allow proper application of leadership from his peers. Of course this along with counseling and a written record/warning. He will either respond or make his next downward maneuver. NO ONE CAN CHANGE TODAYS YOUTH ANY FASTER THAN PEER PRESSURE. The strength is that of the WEAKEST link.

Response by Andres Monroy made Feb 28 at 2017 5:06 AM

Andres Monroy — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 05:06:37 -0500

Roost the hell out of him!

Response by Fred Felella made Feb 28 at 2017 8:07 AM

Fred Felella — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 08:07:35 -0500

You don't have an opinion!! Your given one do as your told!!

Response by Ronald Vega made Feb 28 at 2017 11:32 AM

Ronald Vega — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 11:32:06 -0500

Discipline is a perishable skill that must be re-enforced and applied daily. SGT is right in his duties.

Response by Brad Kerley made Feb 28 at 2017 12:24 PM

Brad Kerley — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 12:24:22 -0500

Take a moment to consider the leadership environment you have created. Is this your fault? Dismiss all but the offenders and explain your concern for their future in the military. Listen to the complaint and then snap necks.

Response by CPO Jimmie Brown made Feb 28 at 2017 7:27 PM

CPO Jimmie Brown — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:27:55 -0500

put my foot up his ass

Response by Mike Chapman made Feb 28 at 2017 7:28 PM

Mike Chapman — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:28:10 -0500

about 100 push-ups then run him until he pukes. then after he pukes make him do the task

Response by PFC Keith Locey made Feb 28 at 2017 7:31 PM

PFC Keith Locey — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:31:13 -0500

First I calmly ask the private to follow me into my office. Once in the Office I ask him why he feels that he shouldn't do the tak presented to him? Then after listening to his BS answer I'd start witha counseling statement for disobeying a direct order. Then I would assign him the worst possible duties I could think of, and if he refused to do them I'd give 2nd counseling statement, and more duty, if he still failed to comply with his orders I would take him to the company commander and file formal charges for refusing a direct order, and have his lazy butt Article 15'd, and if that didn't work well then I guess I would either have the soldier court marshalled or shot, his choice.

Response by SSG Marvin Williams made Feb 28 at 2017 8:00 PM

SSG Marvin Williams — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:00:46 -0500

I would give him a direct order

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2017 8:09 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:09:23 -0500

That PV2 would be in the thinking chair for a while as I compose his counseling statement. The thinking chair is the imaginary piece of furniture in the corner of my office.

Response by MCPO Hayden Spalding made Feb 28 at 2017 8:39 PM

MCPO Hayden Spalding — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:39:36 -0500

Assign him a different dirtier, more arduous less appealing task after letting him think he had gotten away refusing his original assignment. Karma is a bitch!

Response by Cpl Philip C. made Feb 28 at 2017 9:34 PM

Cpl Philip C. — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:34:50 -0500

Being an E-5, I would first reassign him the duty he refused and let him know he is disobeying a lawful now. Then proceed with a write up. Address this with Chain of Command and give them a chance a assigning him the assignment.

Response by Terri Mertz made Feb 28 at 2017 9:36 PM

Terri Mertz — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:36:59 -0500

drop and give me 50

Response by SPC Roberto Martinez made Feb 28 at 2017 10:57 PM

SPC Roberto Martinez — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 22:57:33 -0500

Make an example of this idiot immediately. Discipline and Respect for authority are of utmost importance in military service !!!

Response by SCPO Lonny Randolph made Feb 28 at 2017 11:26 PM

SCPO Lonny Randolph — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:26:45 -0500

Two slices of bread and a turd in between = 1 sh1t sandwich... No seriously - the little snowflake pulls this nonsense on me is going to discover the magical mysteries of the bilge for about 2 weeks followed by head duty for a month. And every time I have the duty I'll be standing at the brow to snag him as he attempts to leave the ship - so that he can help me with a special project that only one man with his magnificent skills can accomplish. They didn't call me "The Bone" when I ran A gang because of my ability to feed the dogs...

Response by SA Keith Lofton made Feb 28 at 2017 11:26 PM

SA Keith Lofton — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:26:53 -0500

Marchin party. With the quickness

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2017 11:34 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:34:30 -0500

Take him to a side room with his Squad Leader and blast that little shit into the Stone Age... punish behind closed doors but make sure everyone in the shop can hear it.

Response by SSG Clfton Freeman made Feb 28 at 2017 11:42 PM

SSG Clfton Freeman — Tue, 28 Feb 2017 23:42:25 -0500

I'm Old School and Would Get Busted Today, But In The Old Day I Would Put Him At Parade Rest and By The Time I Got Through Chewing His A-- & Reading Him His Rights Under The UCMJ, He Would Be Begging For The Next Detail With A Smile. ( Like I Said, Old School, Drafted 1966 and Completed 21 Years Of Service)

Response by LCpl Luke Morgan made Mar 1 at 2017 12:03 AM

LCpl Luke Morgan — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 00:03:38 -0500

Well, when I was about to pick up Cpl. I do recall using my demon voice with a new check in Marine, after a similar situation. A one time event, however I'm quite certain it rang up and down every corridor of the squadron. He ended up being a great Marine after that day.

Response by SGT Kevin Leake made Mar 1 at 2017 12:53 AM

SGT Kevin Leake — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 00:53:57 -0500

I had this happen once as Plt sgt a private that I had addressed continued to walk down the hall of the barracks after calling to him 3 times he turn flip me off said f-you and enter his room . So as any NCO would do I proceeded down the hall kick his door in and retrieved said private when I was finished he went to Top I was informed good job, but don't make a habit of it . Never had a problem with him again.

Response by SGT Raymond Barrientos made Mar 1 at 2017 1:30 AM

SGT Raymond Barrientos — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 01:30:04 -0500

Counter with the appropriate statement, "Excuse me Private!? You stand fast, I will deal with you in a minute. The rest of you fall out and get on your assigned tasks I will catch up with you when I am done with this disrespectful individual."

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2017 3:07 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 03:07:03 -0500

Platoon IT

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2017 10:33 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 10:33:34 -0500

"Standby for instruction" Dismiss the rest of the division. Provide extra military instruction on how to correctly accomplish the given task, followed by instruction in how to properly maintain the cleanliness of the division spaces, sleeping quarters, and administrative offices over the proceeding two to three weeks.

I'm a Sailor, so, I love to make them swab the decks, lol.

Response by Lt Col Det Rost made Mar 1 at 2017 11:03 AM

Lt Col Det Rost — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 11:03:26 -0500

Bed post him for the day and have him take his boots off and rest in bed....maybe even have two of the bigger guys in the unit rub his feet. Then excuse the MEN to go do his and their assignments. I'm sure someone will adjust his attitude.

Response by 1stSgt Troy Seals made Mar 1 at 2017 1:20 PM

1stSgt Troy Seals — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 13:20:26 -0500

If this gets any further than the E-5, fire him and hire another one. Squad leaders take care of their squads, platoon sgt's their platoon. The 1SGT handles the platoon sergeants. Done any other way is weak shit.

Response by MSgt Brian Probert made Mar 1 at 2017 2:15 PM

MSgt Brian Probert — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:15:25 -0500

Look at Airman dipshit straight in the eyes for a long five seconds. Calmly request said Airmen to Remove themselves from the formation. Out of earshot from the rest of the flight, Inquire of Airmen "D" if they are deaf or just stupid, then state, "I certainly hope it's the first option, Form up princess." Hey ... Everyone makes mistakes sometimes, It's the second infraction that could be a problem.

Response by CPT Anthony M. made Mar 1 at 2017 3:00 PM

CPT Anthony M. — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 15:00:18 -0500

I will call my senior NCO and watch as he drops that damn E2 for a few dozens push ups.

Response by CPO John Moore made Mar 1 at 2017 3:23 PM

CPO John Moore — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 15:23:20 -0500

Back in the 50's when I was in the USMC; when this maggot finished with his push ups and running until he dropped along with the rest of the Platoon. he would not open his mouth again or the whole platoon would have been on him like stink on shit.

Response by Sgt Lynn Crow made Mar 1 at 2017 3:27 PM

Sgt Lynn Crow — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 15:27:34 -0500

you never let the tail wag the dog.

Response by Cpl Matthew Martin made Mar 1 at 2017 5:50 PM

Cpl Matthew Martin — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 17:50:33 -0500

Smoke everyone!

Response by SSG Allen Calvin Sr made Mar 1 at 2017 9:01 PM

SSG Allen Calvin Sr — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:01:58 -0500

SSG Allen Calvin US Army '72-'79, The way I see it. Once this private refuses the work I have assigned him, my job is not to make him do it. My job now is to make him wish he had done it. I would formally give him a lawful order to clean every toilet and urinal, in every latrine in the company area, using only a tooth brush, and the only color I want to see upon inspection is white. I would inform the private that if he disobeyed this lawful order I would seek the severest penalties possible under the UCMJ, which could lead to his being court-martialed and receiving a subsequent less than honorable discharge. Insurbordination and the failure to comply with lawful orders are detrimental to good military order and must not be tolerated. This individual must conform to military standards or he must be purged from the service.

Response by Michael Russitano made Mar 1 at 2017 11:43 PM

Michael Russitano — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 23:43:43 -0500

DE FUCKING MOTED

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Mar 2 at 2017 12:10 AM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 00:10:57 -0500

In the old days, that PFC would probably get taken out behind the barracks and get a lesson or two.

Response by SSG Edward Pronovost made Mar 2 at 2017 12:27 AM

SSG Edward Pronovost — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 00:27:48 -0500

First I would reply to the soldier insubordination is a punishable offense and there are 2 paths that are with his option now! One is he can get with the program and obey the lawful orders that were given and the incident will be counseled for remedy at a specified time, or two he may continue his current path to which the remedy will have a much negative impact on him leading to UCMJ and a true path to becoming a failure within the military!

Response by PO3 Jerry Webb made Mar 2 at 2017 8:49 AM

PO3 Jerry Webb — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 08:49:11 -0500

Tell the individual to stand fast; turn the remainder to. Once the area is clear, ask the individual to explain his response rather than compliance to the orders as given. When the indiviual has given his reason for non-compliance; make a determination at that point as to how to proceed. Then if the situation, once explained; and if warrented Art. 15 or company extra duty or a hard and straight forward dressing down with adequate reminders of what the individual has agreed to in his contract with the US military.

Response by PO1 Edward Pate made Mar 2 at 2017 9:54 AM

PO1 Edward Pate — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 09:54:21 -0500

I don't know today, does the Navy still have EMI?

Response by MSgt Robert Geigle made Mar 2 at 2017 10:04 AM

MSgt Robert Geigle — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 10:04:34 -0500

I really have never had this issue. However in my best former DI voice, I would remind him of his position in life.

Response by CPO Paul Johnson made Mar 2 at 2017 10:07 AM

CPO Paul Johnson — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 10:07:03 -0500

Dismiss the troops after the assignments and take this young man into an office and place this little butt head on report for disrespect and insubordination. You do not have to yell, no get in his face...that's what he wants but instead you look to the UCMJ to guide you. You can assign him office hours or Non Judicial punishment as justified for the insubordinate behavior...if this does not improve his "Attitude" then you need to get this piece of trash out of the service...

Response by PFC Elliott Klemens made Mar 2 at 2017 10:09 AM

PFC Elliott Klemens — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 10:09:49 -0500

tell him or her to suck it up and do the task if they dont like write the big boss at 1600 penn ave

Response by TSgt Michael Paul made Mar 2 at 2017 11:18 AM

TSgt Michael Paul — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 11:18:24 -0500

Take his liberty! Put a smudge in his page 11!

Response by LCpl Ronald Emerson made Mar 2 at 2017 12:23 PM

LCpl Ronald Emerson — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 12:23:14 -0500

When I was in the Corps, we had no one do that. Because they were still sending people to Nam.

Response by TSgt Anthony Holmes made Mar 2 at 2017 1:24 PM

TSgt Anthony Holmes — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 13:24:20 -0500

He can stand on the track and the rest will run...x miles....passing him standing there smirking.... let them take care of the problem..should he decide not to stand then...MP his ass

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2017 1:43 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 13:43:04 -0500

There should be certain circumstances when, "Smacking the shit out of someone," is completely appropriate. Some may say violence solves nothing, to those types, I call it cause and effect. We allow people to get away with so mich because we no longer have a fear of consequences that should be instilled in all of us. Will all the PC out there, we'll never get it back without allowing things to be handled the way it used to be.

Response by MSgt Robert Geigle made Mar 2 at 2017 1:53 PM

MSgt Robert Geigle — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 13:53:21 -0500

I really have never had this issue. However in my best former DI voice, I would remind him of his position in life.

Response by SPC Tom Moncalieri made Mar 2 at 2017 2:57 PM

SPC Tom Moncalieri — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 14:57:45 -0500

As a professional, the only way to "react" is to not "react" at all. The Sargent in question has the duty to take positive professional official action, not indulge in personal, punitive reaction. I have not read the details of this piece, and do not know the outcome of the confrontation. I will say this; Rank has it's privileges as well as it's responsibility. This case is no different from any other, and should be handled by applying discipline, official, constructive, effective discipline. Such discipline can take the form of a verbal chewing out, extra duty, company level action by the commanding officer, or even a court martial. The marvelous effectiveness of the American military machine is not based on fear of punishment, but on devotion to duty. There is no room for private vendettas, or acts of physical puniishment unilaterally doled out at the whim of a superior. Military or not, the participants here are American after all, therefore respect for the individual, and adherence to due process, and the rule of law apply. Soldiers are not prisoners, they are American citizens doing a difficult job, and from the top to the bottom, they all deserve the protection of the law.

Response by PO2 Jerry Snyder made Mar 2 at 2017 3:09 PM

PO2 Jerry Snyder — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 15:09:42 -0500

I would tell him/her that I choose him because I knew he/she could do the job and if it meant life or death, I'm choosing life, so get busy!

Response by CPL James Millen made Mar 2 at 2017 3:38 PM

CPL James Millen — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 15:38:20 -0500

Grab a stack of poker chips throw them down the stairs and have them gator crawl for each piece individually and make them sound off, "I AM NOT THE BOSS YOU ARE", until task is completed. Insubordination will be cleansed from this new dicks soul...

Response by MSgt George Sims made Mar 2 at 2017 4:59 PM

MSgt George Sims — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 16:59:47 -0500

Well, because I already clarified my lawful order in a calm fashion, and this knucklehead decided to tell me to "shove it", it's time to introduce this troop to the wonderful world of UCMJ action (aka Article-15). Regardless of who you are and where you come from, EVERYONE typically responds to the loss of money out of their pay for disobeying a direct and lawful order, and being selected as "the example" of what NOT to do. Punishment needs to be swift, deliberate, meaningful, and in this unique case "public", in front of the unit, so as to discourage even the thought of anyone else questioning orders from superiors.

Response by SSG Mike Enright made Mar 2 at 2017 5:35 PM

SSG Mike Enright — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 17:35:32 -0500

Punish and confine

Response by SPC Robert Ross made Mar 2 at 2017 6:16 PM

SPC Robert Ross — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 18:16:14 -0500

Time for extra duty and alot of CQ!

Response by SGT Mark Vandolah made Mar 2 at 2017 8:04 PM

SGT Mark Vandolah — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 20:04:22 -0500

Remedial training via smoke session

Response by PVT James Seiber made Mar 2 at 2017 8:25 PM

PVT James Seiber — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 20:25:32 -0500

I would reissue the order. If refusal again, I would send the closet soldier by the door to get another Drill Instructor or Officer if I am by myself. I would start ordering this Private to do physical exercise right there while giving the Soldier an earful directly in front of the other Soldiers. Once, another ranking staff person arrived, I would order the Private back to attention and reissue the order. If order is refused, then I would place my hands on the Soldier and physically start moving the Soldier in the direction I want the Soldier to move. If there is resistance from the Soldier I would take the Soldier to the ground and inform the Soldier that you will obey and follow orders or suffer the repercussions for disobeying. Once this has been done, hopefully the Soldier would have a change of mindset and follow the order. My actions would have to be carried out in front of the other Soldiers as a deterrence mechanism that this could be you if displaying the same type disobedience.

Response by SSG Jerry D Talbot made Mar 2 at 2017 11:21 PM

SSG Jerry D Talbot — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 23:21:41 -0500

Is that the new Army? Or is that the 70s and before?

Response by PO1 Matthew Anderson made Mar 3 at 2017 12:22 AM

PO1 Matthew Anderson — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 00:22:29 -0500

An Ass chewing in in order at this point as well as this shit birds direct PO / Supervisor. If no result is produced, article 15.

Response by SPC William Paulus made Mar 3 at 2017 12:26 AM

SPC William Paulus — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 00:26:32 -0500

Smoke the entire company for this iddiots lack of respect. After about the 5 time the shit stops lol. Oh wait u cant do that now adays.... Ugh...

Response by SSgt Timothy Smith made Mar 3 at 2017 12:50 AM

SSgt Timothy Smith — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 00:50:40 -0500

It is to bad that political correctness crap found its way into the military. When I was in boot camp and out someone would have had a bad trip across a foot locker. No more disrespect.

Response by Herman Drawdy made Mar 3 at 2017 1:38 AM

Herman Drawdy — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 01:38:57 -0500

Take that bootstrap dumbass and put him in that black box asapyou

Response by PO3 Steve Scripture made Mar 3 at 2017 1:50 AM

PO3 Steve Scripture — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 01:50:37 -0500

Insubordination is a offense under the UCMJ

Response by Cpl Trey Sanders made Mar 3 at 2017 4:07 AM

Cpl Trey Sanders — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 04:07:38 -0500

Well I went to Parris Island in 2007 and I promise you this would never happen anyways.. i went to Iraq with Sgt. Miller in the picture and I assure you he was my squad leader and got nothing but respect and would beat your ass if you thought about telling him to shove it..

Response by Cpl Samuel Ward made Mar 3 at 2017 5:38 AM

Cpl Samuel Ward — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 05:38:00 -0500

Unfortunately this is the millennial mindset and joining the USMC may have been this clowns biggest mistake. As a Marine myself, we do t put up with this insubordination and deal with it inhouse. Semper Fi.

Response by SPC William Hollis made Mar 3 at 2017 7:22 AM

SPC William Hollis — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:22:08 -0500

I have been out for awhile but I heard a rumor that new recruits in basic are given red cards for stress and if the stress level get to much for them to wave said card and the DI's have to back off and let said recruit alone until they are no longer stressed. this scenario could be a aftermath of that if the rumor is correct. And after reading some of the responses I would just dredge up a couple of old punishments that my DI gave out in basic, grass drills for said Pvt2 until I got tired, had the rest of the rest of the platoon/squad/fireteam go about their assigned tasks

Response by SPC Evan Counts made Mar 3 at 2017 7:27 AM

SPC Evan Counts — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 07:27:37 -0500

Honestly that pvt would be fucked, but I got a temper

Response by Cpl Phillip Good made Mar 3 at 2017 11:40 AM

Cpl Phillip Good — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:40:14 -0500

I'm surprised they ever found the body!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 12:01 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 12:01:32 -0500

All this talk about coddling a Soldier and "understanding" their situation before you "overreact" is ridiculous. First of all, the Soldier in this situation is an adult and they have been through initial training and understand their obligations. Therefore, they are well aware that they must follow lawful orders. Failure to do so will result in a counseling and corrective training. Just make sure you are creative with the corrective training...

Response by SSgt Walter Lonsdale made Mar 3 at 2017 12:07 PM

SSgt Walter Lonsdale — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 12:07:52 -0500

He should have never made it out of basic training!

Response by SGT Rick Leventhal made Mar 3 at 2017 1:49 PM

SGT Rick Leventhal — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:49:59 -0500

Dismiss everyone but that person, take them out behind the building and whoever walks away doesn't do the assignment. End of story. Anything else undermines the possible future of a life or death situation.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 1:57 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 13:57:16 -0500

Where were that PFC's CPLs and why didn't anyone else life him out for disrespecting a SGT?

Response by SSgt Oscar Torres made Mar 3 at 2017 3:02 PM

SSgt Oscar Torres — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:02:51 -0500

Times have changed and changing with them is imperitive. Basic training is done for the purpose of redifining the personalities of the individual onto the team concept. No is not an option and individuality is not how it gets done. I would have torn him a new one in front of the squad to prevent descension. The military lifestyle depends and thrives on team work and misfits need to understand that theyre actions can have a negative impact. As long as its a lawful order i own you.

Response by SSG Marc Philip made Mar 3 at 2017 4:53 PM

SSG Marc Philip — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 16:53:01 -0500

On my first trail as a DS
I was challenged by a PFC who felt he didn't need to practice D&C as he'd mastered it in JROTC

I assigned him to present a block of instruction that moment. I offered that he could teach me something possibly…

After embarrassing himself, being laughed at, completely screwing up his attempt explaining any part of D&C he began to tear up. I instructed PFC Dipshit to fall back in, silenced the laughing platoon and dropped everybody.

Response by Sgt Matt J M Craven made Mar 3 at 2017 5:54 PM

Sgt Matt J M Craven — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 17:54:41 -0500

Throat punch

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 9:11 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:11:12 -0500

UA burn him

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2017 9:13 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:13:42 -0500

Calmly take him away from the rest of the formation, then smoke the ever loving dog shit out of him.

Response by Lt Col William Douville made Mar 3 at 2017 9:13 PM

Lt Col William Douville — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 21:13:49 -0500

Hey what about having him dress in full battle gear and carry a rifle above his head for a 20 mile march at double time?

Response by PO1 Kent Simm made Mar 4 at 2017 1:19 AM

PO1 Kent Simm — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 01:19:10 -0500

Extra PT for everyone and they can THANK the problem E2

Response by Ronda Russell made Mar 4 at 2017 8:06 AM

Ronda Russell — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 08:06:43 -0500

No hesitation take care of business. You have to show him " apparently " that he is not in control here

Response by CPO Pascal Chagot made Mar 4 at 2017 10:30 AM

CPO Pascal Chagot — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 10:30:55 -0500

I would drop him in front og everyone till he pukes while i sing tiny bubbles onto my deck makes me happy, makes me smile.

Response by Ashton Sanchez made Mar 4 at 2017 11:47 AM

Ashton Sanchez — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 11:47:44 -0500

Response by PO1 Richard Cudd made Mar 4 at 2017 12:05 PM

PO1 Richard Cudd — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 12:05:53 -0500

First of all respect should be talked about to all new recruits in boot camp. It was us when I went to boot camp. You did not do that information. The E2 should have kept his mouth shut in formation. If he had a problem he could have took that up with his leader after. I have had this before and this should never be tolerated. I would have told the E2 to see me after. Then I would have disciplined him in private and the next day t formation he would be the example of how not to show disrespect while in formation or while wearing the uniform of the United States. I do not nor would I ever demand respect because I believe that respect should be earned. While in formation there should always be professionalism and respect for the ranks.

Response by Dylan Heim made Mar 4 at 2017 1:44 PM

Dylan Heim — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 13:44:07 -0500

He needs to beat his face for an hour... Am I worng????

Response by Randall Mallard made Mar 4 at 2017 3:05 PM

Randall Mallard — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:05:48 -0500

I immediately let him know that the assignment goes as I say. It is non negotiable. His first little tirade buys him and his unit extra duties. Anything else not in compliance continues to add to that list. It's made very clear that his failure causes problems for more than just him. As it would be true in battle. And the others are reminded that getting him in the right frame of mind is more than just him and me dealing with it. A group that does rely on him also has a responsibility to help him keep himself in line.

Response by PO2 Dusty Miller made Mar 4 at 2017 7:18 PM

PO2 Dusty Miller — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 19:18:58 -0500

Ummmmmm,.....possibly help said apprentice find his way down a ladder well in a not so subtle manner!

Response by PFC Jason Rupe made Mar 4 at 2017 10:41 PM

PFC Jason Rupe — Sat, 04 Mar 2017 22:41:29 -0500

He's so confused. First, you signed up, so shut up. Second, you don't want some shitty detail yet you're willing to go about it the really, really hard way. Maybe he just really, really loves getting smoked, or humiliated, or both. Pvt. Dumbass refusing to report for duty sir!

Response by PFC Donald Honeycutt made Mar 5 at 2017 12:00 AM

PFC Donald Honeycutt — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 00:00:33 -0500

well i only made it to spec 4 but had the greatest respect for my nco's and no matter what the job was i did it weather i liked it or not if i had an issue with it i still did it then went to the nco that gave it to me and explained my position on it sometimes it helped sometimes not its the military you earn your rank by doing what needs to be done no matter weather you like it or not

Response by Rick Butler made Mar 5 at 2017 9:33 AM

Rick Butler — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 09:33:08 -0500

Wow. Each one of you is dead-on! 40yrs ago that shit would've got you shot or your ads kicked depending on the moment. Fact remains, there's always going to be shit jobs nobody wants to do. Doesn't change the fact those jobs have to be done. Me personally? I prefer the shit jobs nobody else wants. I get left the fuck alone while I'm doing it! !!! Always always an up side to everything! And I do mean everything!

Response by SSG Ronnie Pruitt made Mar 5 at 2017 11:27 AM

SSG Ronnie Pruitt — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 11:27:15 -0500

The only sure fire way to nip PFC Shitbird in the bud, is to smoke his ass or report to your CO, which shouldn't have to happen. Smoking PFC Shitbird to your satisfaction will definitely show him the error of his ways.

Response by SFC James Kates made Mar 5 at 2017 1:34 PM

SFC James Kates — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 13:34:43 -0500

I would remind him that I couldn't make him do anything that I could damn sure make you wish you done what I asked

Response by SFC James Kates made Mar 5 at 2017 1:42 PM

SFC James Kates — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 13:42:00 -0500

If I were the sergeant major, this private soon learn exactly how much authority a sergeant major as and he would be disciplined in writing and restricted from the post PX for a given time. I would also cancel the other soldier, and give him a better way to approach this situation.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2017 3:07 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:07:05 -0500

Punc in the face that what we do in my army if someone is an ass

Response by SFC James Kates made Mar 5 at 2017 3:20 PM

SFC James Kates — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 15:20:05 -0500

Hopefully this would be the last formation of the day so I would have the soldier along with his squad leader and the rest of his quad standing at parade rest for considerable mount of hours after everyone else had been released. I would hope that the rest of his teammates could convince him not to wear glasses in formation.

Response by PO2 Roger Roth made Mar 5 at 2017 6:43 PM

PO2 Roger Roth — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 18:43:22 -0500

I had a situation like that where I gave out four assignments to four E-3 and below who were on restriction already and extra duty. I told them from the get-go, first one at the site gets the best job, last one gets the worst job and explained the jobs. The last one to get there complained about his assignment and I reminded him of the entire situation and gave him another chance to do the work and he refused. I told him one more time to get in and do it or leave the space and answer to his CPO in the morning. He left, but that did not work out well the next morning.

Response by SGT Jeffrey Knotts made Mar 5 at 2017 7:24 PM

SGT Jeffrey Knotts — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 19:24:50 -0500

Loved the first answer. The second response is reflective of what is going on today. "Why?" is their battle cry and it isn't just in the military. Across the board, young people constantly question authority, whine, worry about everyone else instead of THEMSELVES! Drives me crazy! :)

Response by Sgt Frank Deneale made Mar 5 at 2017 7:56 PM

Sgt Frank Deneale — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 19:56:55 -0500

I wouldn't

Response by PO3 Kevin Lewis made Mar 5 at 2017 8:17 PM

PO3 Kevin Lewis — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 20:17:05 -0500

For the E2s blantant disregard and lack of discipline i would simply assign some extra duties such and sweeping the flightline or vacumming the hangarbay tracks, waxing the floors, cleaning walls, cleaning padeyes, cleaning the smoke pit, cleaning the head all while i watch and make him or her remember that they are an junior E2 and if they canot complete the assigned task, then why didnt they ask instead of telling an E5 to shove it.

Response by Sgt Rick DeMont made Mar 5 at 2017 11:30 PM

Sgt Rick DeMont — Sun, 05 Mar 2017 23:30:24 -0500

I don't know if they still have a place called CC or Corrective Custody, but you do not want to be sent there.
I would have his entire squad stand fast and send the rest to their work details.
I would reiterate how we rely on teamwork to get our jobs done. I would explain how a chain is as strong as its weakest link.
I would tell them we have a weak link in our squad. I cant have that in our squad, company or the Marine Corps. It's shitbirds like him that will get us killed.
I would tell the entire squad, that there is no liberty until this weak link is fixed. When you think you have it fixed, you come tell me that it's fixed. Then and only then, you can all go.
Have private shit bird doesn't straighten up, I'll do my best to get them sent to CC for a while. I guarantee he will come back a changed man.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2017 12:37 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 00:37:16 -0500

Even though I'm not anecessarily E5 and above, but I do as told by all no in my unit. They say clean, I ask where. They say draw weapons, I say Roger Sergeant, and go draw. That e2 needs a lot of corrective training

Response by Jerry O'Neal made Mar 6 at 2017 12:06 PM

Jerry O'Neal — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 12:06:07 -0500

Give him the blow he got, that is the right thing.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2017 6:47 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 18:47:34 -0500

Nip it in the bud!

Response by PV2 Emmett Williams made Mar 6 at 2017 6:47 PM

PV2 Emmett Williams — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 18:47:38 -0500

First some pushups then a talk with him and his squad leader , after everyone has left for their assigned tasks do not cuss at him because that will not achieve nothing but more friction between you and him and do nothing but make maters worse

Response by Cpl Michael Hutchins made Mar 6 at 2017 7:17 PM

Cpl Michael Hutchins — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 19:17:00 -0500

He would get burnt quickly

Response by SGT Roger Laguna made Mar 6 at 2017 7:44 PM

SGT Roger Laguna — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 19:44:47 -0500

I must be old. I cannot even imagine this scenario, let alone discuss how it should be handled. I was a paratrooper in the 82nd in early 1980s. This E-2 would have gotten his ass kicked repeatedly by the E-5 and team mates for less than this and it would have never gotten to this extreme point, ever.

Response by PFC Thomas Hannan made Mar 6 at 2017 8:45 PM

PFC Thomas Hannan — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 20:45:22 -0500

In the words of my DI, back in 79, "I can't make you do anything, I can only make you wish you had done it."

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2017 11:04 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 23:04:26 -0500

Smoke everyone for the next 2 hours and pull him in the office and have him explain himself to me and another NCO. Or if he feels uncomfortable talking with me 2 other NCOs.

Response by SSgt Keith Foster made Mar 6 at 2017 11:15 PM

SSgt Keith Foster — Mon, 06 Mar 2017 23:15:21 -0500

Knock his dick in the dirt.

Response by Cpl Richard Fugate made Mar 7 at 2017 6:06 AM

Cpl Richard Fugate — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 06:06:14 -0500

Similar situation happened to me in Okinawa while stationed over there. I was the COG and this Marine private spouted off to me and told me to F off during formation when I directed him to fall behind the NCO's in formation, without hesitation I took my Kevlar helmet off and smashed his nose with it. My MSgt and LtCol NJP'd him for not following direct orders and told me that is how you garner respect nobody else talked back to me while I was in charge or gave orders!

Response by CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 6:51 AM

CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 06:51:30 -0500

I would hope that I could do the following...Turn to someone else and give them the task, then turn back to PV2 Snuffy and tell him that instead, the squad leader will take him to the Platoon Sergeant to whom he is now detailed for the day. The PSG should make it a very memorable (read traumatic) experience. Short that working...UCMJ...PV2 becomes PV1 and is very short on cash and busy for a while. (He may also "fall down some stairs" in the barracks as a result of fatigue from the extra duty). BTW...wasn't always a Chaplain...15 years Infantry...enlisted and officer.

Response by TSgt Pernell Pelican made Mar 7 at 2017 7:08 AM

TSgt Pernell Pelican — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 07:08:36 -0500

Clear the room. Find out whether he is having external issues, be empathetic, but also emphasize his role in taking care of his problem. Stress his responsibilities to the unit mission and his teammates come first. Offer assistance to get him the help he may need and follow-up if necessary. BTW his outburst won't get him out of performing extra duty.

Response by SGT Richard Gagne made Mar 7 at 2017 7:23 AM

SGT Richard Gagne — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 07:23:44 -0500

you never disobey a lawful order. If you feel the order singles you out is unfair or whatever you complete it as ordered and then use your chain of command go 1 step over your Sgt to correct the NCO or help you understand. The first requirement of a good leader is knowing how to be a good follower. The answer is to accept no less behavior than as a good troop you would have behaved like. You confirm he knows what is required of him and the proper military way to handle it and then repeat the order and that's it. He gives any grief ask him if he is refusing a direct order. If he says no then ask him to shut up and do it then. If he says yes you write him up on an Article 15. If he goes to do the job but still gives you grief write him up also.
As a new NCO I was taught leadership was a lot like riding a horse. You jump up with a firm grasp of the reins, you can let up the grip as you like. If you don't assert a firm grip the horse can run away from you and you will lose control.
You will be setting an example and letting the other troops know what is expected of them. When lives depend on you in the heat of battle putting up with attitudes will kill you all. Your responsibility is to make sure when its demanded your people obey respond quickly and work as a team. If you approach this any other way you don't deserve your stripes.

Response by CPL Timothy Coffey made Mar 7 at 2017 7:47 AM

CPL Timothy Coffey — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 07:47:13 -0500

Pull them out of formation and have a private discussion of what is in their head, see if they need medical or psychological help. Send them to get evaluated. Take further action depending on results.

Response by CPL Sharon Fahey made Mar 7 at 2017 7:49 AM

CPL Sharon Fahey — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 07:49:32 -0500

Keep your cool first of all. Article 15's still exist after s a very detailed counseling session. If you let him/her get to you and nothing is done, you'll lose some of your other troops. There's also extra duty which could also lead to more discipline but nothing is done over night. Also, try pulling him aside and ask him what's going on. Leaders lead by example and we can't take it personal.

Response by Cpl Fred Wingfield made Mar 7 at 2017 8:05 AM

Cpl Fred Wingfield — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:05:23 -0500

I read most of these comments which speak of counseling. Counseling? Joined The Corps in 66.
The only counseling we got were the knuckles or boots of our DI's.
When out of MCRD and into the mainstream Corps, many of our E5,E6's and above were from the Korean War and the counseling they would give some insubordinate SOB was a sound ass kicking behind the barracks,
Our CO Gunny was in WWII and Korea and he took absolutely no BS from anyone.
Maybe we need to get back to basics and respond with dipshits who think it has to be their way with some good old fashioned ass thrashing.

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Mar 7 at 2017 8:12 AM

FN Charlie Spivey — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:12:44 -0500

In my time, that would not have flown. That E-2 would have been on report and looking at an Article 15 of some sort. I fault the change to a "Kinder Gentler" Military starting in basic. The discipline just doesn't seem to be what it was in my time. As an E-2 out of basic, I have a had a lot of work assigned that I didn't like, but did it. When I was aboard ship as an E-3, I found myself filling an NCO billet eventually. That meant that after morning quarters, I would pull the log and hand out assignments. Some things were routine, such as checking Fuel and water. Being Coast Guard, on a shore unit it was a lot of cleaning and painting of the spaces you were responsible for and other routine stuff ( which can be boring ). Aboard ship, I started with the Engines ( Mains and Generators ). That was mostly Just checking the oil and fuel levelas and taking readings everythor whileunder way on Watch ( two 4 hour watches per day ). During the work day ( 0800 - 1600 ) you were doing routine maintainance. I eventually got moved to the BT gang ( Boilers and evaps ). That was pretty much skate duty. That had its moments. Whne you had to open up a Steam Drum and go in and "Punch" tubes. That is dirty, and you are in a very claustrophopic environment. I only had two guys plus myself that were even small enough to get in there. Everybody knew who was going to get the job. Long story short, had the first guy up there working, I went and got my coveralls on and when it came time to relieve him, up I went. Didn't like it as i don't like being in close places, but it cut the amoiunt of time that one man had to stay in there. The other bad one was Fires sides. In that, you remove the cover and crawl into the fire box of the boiler with a steam wand and use to to clean the soot and stuff off the water tubes down there. Now that was really dirty. I would get some grumbling when it came time to do one, but that was it. Nothing serious and it was expected. I didn't like it either. Point is, there are some nasty jobs, and people will grumble, but they have to get done, and do get done. I have never heard anyone say they weren't going to do something.

Response by MAJ George Huley made Mar 7 at 2017 8:30 AM

MAJ George Huley — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:30:19 -0500

Being in formation you are either at a position of "attention" or "at ease" or "parade rest". Remind the malcontent that none of those positions includes the the option of talking, unless directed to talk. If that does not work have a private conversation with him/her and remind the idiot of what NCOs are there for. If that doesn't work take the idiot to the company CDR and recommend an article 15/Office Hours. Read him his rights. I had to do this when I was in-charge as a 1LT and a 2LT thought it appropriate to give me some crap in formation. He did that just once.

Response by LCpl James Robertson made Mar 7 at 2017 8:30 AM

LCpl James Robertson — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:30:36 -0500

Article 15, Office Hours. Your are in charge he's the E-2, since when does E-2's tell E-5's what they will not do and shove it. That's disobeying a direct order if he had disobeyed orders in combat many marines would die. Let me tell you a short story while I were on my way to Cambodia., As a Fire Team Leader a marine came to me and told me no way, no how that he were going to fire his weapon in combat, I continued to convince him to do so but he wouldn't budge, and he stated to me as a Fire Team Leader, you all are going to die because I'm not firing that weapon. I reported the incident to the Gunny, the Gunny reported it to the Captain, word came back when the shooting starts, he wanted the whole Fire Team to turn there weapons on the marine and fire.

Response by Cpl Ryan Riggs made Mar 7 at 2017 8:48 AM

Cpl Ryan Riggs — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:48:56 -0500

Every NCO, SNCO and officer who would have heard would have been all over his ass the second the words came out of his mouth. I saw only 2 or 3 instances of defiance in the Corps, but when they happened, they were very quickly stamped out. I had a brand new PFC question me once and I had him engage in some 'Incentive Training'. Never had an issue after that.

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Mar 7 at 2017 8:58 AM

SGT Scott Henderson — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 08:58:40 -0500

"alright fucker, you don't have to do this detail." Then I would company grade him for insubordination, failure to follow a lawful order, and whatever else I could. Giving him 14/14, and half pay might change their mind. If not at least you're starting a paper trail su you can chapter them later

Response by LT Richard Mondak made Mar 7 at 2017 9:04 AM

LT Richard Mondak — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:04:06 -0500

Dismiss the group, except for the soon to be E-1. Document the incident, charge with insubordination, disobedience of a direct order and dereliction of duty (and whatever other charges are appropriate). Forward up the chain of command. Additionally, I would put him under control of the next senior individual for his work assignment. He's not leaving the unit area, except to go to his quarters or chow until the issue is resolved.
Would really want to give him some "Gear Locker Counselling", but not in this "snowflake" era.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 9:08 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:08:46 -0500

Soldiers love their personal time!!! I feel like wasting your time today talking about disrespect. Next time you'll be on that pretty red carpet talking with the Commander about " your money" that you may or may not be getting!

Response by LT John Stevens made Mar 7 at 2017 9:26 AM

LT John Stevens — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:26:27 -0500

You have to be careful not to compromise yourself in any way. Counsel the individual privately to determine what is going on. His behavior is not "normal." Maybe he is having a really bad day or maybe he is just an insubordinate jerk.

If you learn it is the former, let him know that his behavior will not be accepted and that he must accept some nominal punishment for what he did, but then try to help him through his troubles. Maybe his wife left him, his girlfriend cheated or his dog died. Give him some crappy jobs as punishment.

On the other hand, if after speaking with him privately you find he is just plain insubordinate, escalate the problem to the next higher level of command.

When I was an O-3 we had a similar issue with a new E2. When the issue came to me, I did exactly as I described above, learned he was insubordinate, "could not handle others lling him what to do," and did not belong in the US Navy. I got him an administrative discharge. I was happy, my petty officers (non-coms) were happy, and amazingly he was happy.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 9:27 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:27:18 -0500

Well it would be the last time that The E2 would do that, Because after I have professionally rip a new one in this E2 I would make an example of him for others to see that insubordination and disrespect towards leadership is unacceptable and will not be tolerated and that there is no room for it in our Military.
disciplinary action would follow.
Rehabilitation remedial training and if this does not change the Soldier then after proper documentation separation will follow.

Response by SPC Jesse Davis made Mar 7 at 2017 9:38 AM

SPC Jesse Davis — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:38:15 -0500

After reading through what some senior leadership have said and contrasting with my own experiences, I will go with their advice on this.

Public humiliation as a first resort is lazy grandstanding that does more harm than good.

Response by MSgt Eric Maticic (Ret) made Mar 7 at 2017 9:42 AM

MSgt Eric Maticic (Ret) — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:42:02 -0500

Hate to take an opposing stance but maybe the task was stupid. I never had this problem even as a Corporal. The worst SgtMaj I have ever seen was big on "Busy Work" to the point of painting the curbs of the HQ building with a sandstorm coming in. He told them to press on even though the sand would ruin the paint and any progress made. It is easy to come down and say the only solution is for that E2 to un**** himself but we have all seen poor leaders that rightfully should be questioned.

One of my favorite tactics was to catch those young bucks rolling their eyes ever so slightly and bring them to the front and tell their peers how they feel and why, they usually feel embarrassed and want to return to the pack as quickly as possible. A different perspective can do wonders. Leadership by attrition has a time and place but not to mentor and develop.

Response by CPL John Castillo made Mar 7 at 2017 9:56 AM

CPL John Castillo — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:56:59 -0500

Continue delegating task ask individual to stand by after dismissal. Corrective action. Simple. Talk calmly to the boot as you smoje them to come ro a common ground and they will execute as planned . The End

Response by Sgt Jason Edwards made Mar 7 at 2017 10:05 AM

Sgt Jason Edwards — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:05:20 -0500

I would assign the task to another individual, find some scut work for the problematic E-2 to do while I prepare his LOR. During our counseling session, I would inform them that this isn't burger king and you don't get to have it your way! Every low detail that needs to be done, they get!

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Mar 7 at 2017 10:22 AM

CWO3 Bryan Luciani — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:22:29 -0500

This is a great question and a situation very few are trained to handle on the drop of a dime. I had this same issue as a young E5 with little leadership experience. I handled it wrong the first time as I let my shock and anger take over. I blasted the E3 right there. My advice is never let your emotions take over, nor the fact that you can't believe this person would be so insubordinate in front of the troops. Gunny Pepper is spot on. Dismiss the troops and look into "the situation" with a focus on whether this E2/E3 has a future in your division/Navy. To me, my mission/my ship always came first. Either you're a reliable part of the team or you are not, and the ability of each Sailor/Marine to carry out orders without question, is paramount. A second item I learned was that you can not save every Sailor/Marine whom you come across that has a lousy attitude. While I saved a few, I also I canned a few bad ones in my career with very positive results.

Response by SPC C Bell made Mar 7 at 2017 10:26 AM

SPC C Bell — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:26:00 -0500

Give him an article 15 for disrespectingredients an NCO. You can either do a FG, CG or summarized.

Response by SPC Jordan Brown made Mar 7 at 2017 10:31 AM

SPC Jordan Brown — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:31:31 -0500

Disrespect to a noncommissioned officer. Too easy. Talk to Private Shitbag and if he continues to be insubordinate, Article 15 his ass.

Response by TSgt John Hotelling made Mar 7 at 2017 10:37 AM

TSgt John Hotelling — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:37:44 -0500

in that case... Id have lost it. Old school for sure.. But in front of the unit you must maintain and let the rest know behavior of this type will not be tolerated step 2 to my office with his supervisor and my supervisor

Response by SGT Drew Clark made Mar 7 at 2017 10:45 AM

SGT Drew Clark — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 10:45:50 -0500

Half Right Face!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 11:05 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:05:44 -0500

All sailors respond to their time and money being threatened. I can't take your money, but if you waste my time, you better believe you are paying it back in kind, even if it means I need to be a martyr. Normally I will talk to the individual one-on-one after quarters but if it is a continued behavior--which seems to be a trend with younger sailors unfortunately--the whole division gets lit up. One team, one fight. Most good sailors don't like getting punished for someone else's mistakes so they start correcting each other before it ever gets to my eyes/ears.

Response by Sgt Carlos Barrera made Mar 7 at 2017 11:09 AM

Sgt Carlos Barrera — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:09:52 -0500

That is a no brainer, that is disrespect towards a NCO, what will you do?? charge him and send his merry butt to office hours or court martial. Discipline in the military has to be observed at all times

Response by SPC Jason Mast made Mar 7 at 2017 11:12 AM

SPC Jason Mast — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:12:12 -0500

Hesitation cost lives on the front line or while, like me, you're behind enemy lines more often than not, so insubordination is not tolerated nor acceptable. The Airborne is no place for pussies or vigilante insubordinate shitbirds with authority issues. We all have a job to do. Remember after you sign your life away to Uncle Sam, you are Government property. Your life is not your own anymore. Disobeying direct orders is still punishable by death. Your NCO doesn't have to smoke your ass. The military is no place for individuals. It's a well oiled machine built on self sacrifice and teamwork.

Response by SSG Geoffry Addison made Mar 7 at 2017 11:33 AM

SSG Geoffry Addison — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:33:08 -0500

GySGt Pepper, Hits it on the head. I ran in to this when we were in garrison. It seems that soldiers think that being in garrison means 9- 5 duty hours. Which is true most days, but somedays last longer then others. The thing I add to Gunnies actions, was to have PFC Shitbird and his team leader stay after the rest of the soldiers left for extra duty. I would stay with them until the job was done followed by re-eteration on what is expected.

Response by Sgt Michael Cortes made Mar 7 at 2017 12:18 PM

Sgt Michael Cortes — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 12:18:12 -0500

I had a situation that was very close to this.

As the ranking platoon NCO in the barracks, an e-4, I was in charge of the morning police of our area of responsibility. Maybe trash pickup on one side of the barracks and cleanup of the first floor common room. I'm too damn old to remember the specifics.

One day, a young PFC decided he needed to check his balls, and got belligerent. He took the position that he didn't have to do what I was directing. Being a competent Marine NCO, I barked out "move it" to the other Marines and turned my attention to this PFC.

In the oh so gentle manner proscribed by Marine Corps tradition, I advanced on this young Marine and aggressively reiterated my orders and explained why "resistance is futile".

Needing to pull up his jock strap and prove he deserved to be wearing it, he adamantly resisted any obedience and dug in his heals further. He looked like a puppy trying to show the world that he deserved to be a big dog.

To be painfully honest for a moment, I don't know why I recognized, in that moment, that he needed to resist the harder I pushed. In my old age, I came to realize that it was like being between a rock and a hard place. He just couldn't let himself back up and I was certainly not going to allow him to continue being an example of defying the Platoon NCO without any consequences. However, as NCOs we teach Marines so they make better choices next time. Consequences either put someone down for good, or are a lesson to learn from.

In that moment, I decided to dismiss the Marine. Not like, "You're forgiven. Go relax in your room."

"Ok Marine. You don't have to do that job. You know what, You don't have to do any job. Get the f*** out of my face and out of my sight. You will return right here at 1800 tonight or I will have your ass. Go!" ........ "No you can't do what I asked you earlier. I said get the f*** out of here."

Apparently he had the entire work day, (he didn't report to me other than in the barracks) to consider the wisdom of testing himself. Later that evening he got to enjoy the full policing of the entire area of responsibility without the assistance of the rest of the platoon, all the while displaying proper respect to an NCO. As every barracks Marine could see him out there doing their thing on this own, he even had to field a few questions. I heard him once explain, "I f***ed up."

I don't think that would have been the wisest choice for every Marine. I still think it was the wisest choice at that time with that Marine.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 1:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:02:18 -0500

Make him carry around a tree because his waste of oxygen will atleast go to some good use.

Response by SPC Kari Grove Wright made Mar 7 at 2017 1:05 PM

SPC Kari Grove Wright — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:05:30 -0500

GySgt Kenneth Pepper I wish I was under you. I had to work along side this attitude the whole 3 years I was in. Basic training, AIT and my unit. It was a nightmare. "Go sweep and mop the floors" "go f yourself I'm not sweeping or mopping shit" sure enough they didn't and got away with it. So the rest of us had to do their work plus ours. No, it was not just 1 soldier, it was a group of them. Yes, it started with 1 that got others to follow.

Response by SFC Robert Jackson made Mar 7 at 2017 1:19 PM

SFC Robert Jackson — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:19:54 -0500

Is this a joke? After telling them this is a verbal order and they still refused I would eat them up one side then the other. Then counsel them in writing and recommend extra duty. If it happens again I would write them up again and recommend disciplinary act to be taken. If you let them do this in front of other soldiers/sailors you are weak. if this the new military? Make an example out of them! Or they will of you!

Response by SFC Lynn Santosuosso made Mar 7 at 2017 1:29 PM

SFC Lynn Santosuosso — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:29:57 -0500

That is blatantly disobeying an order given by a higher ranking individual and they are disobeying the 2nd General Order, "I will obey my special orders and perform all of my duties in a military manner". Time to recalibrate or weed out the troublemakers. It's very simple, if they don't obey your orders for regular duties now, then what will happen when they get in a fire fight and they put their unit at risk by disobeying orders or not being prepared. If you don't want to be a soldier and follow orders? Get out of my Army!! A few Article 15's should help!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 1:52 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:52:34 -0500

That should raise a red flag; it could be nothing just a bad day or there could be a underlying issue. You have to find out who, what, where and why that response was given. There could be a cause/effect. Yes, his insubordinate action should be dealt with and appropriate corrective action is needed (that goes without saying) but at the same time counseling maybe and probably is needed.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Mar 7 at 2017 1:57 PM

Maj Mike Sciales — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 13:57:04 -0500

First, make certain you understand the troop's comment by saying:
"I'm sorry, I think I misheard you, because telling me to 'shove it' will involve you getting a Letter of Reprimand and a career counseling session with the First Sergeant to see about lining you up with an "early return to parents discharge" and no GI bill for college because there are tons of recruits happy to replace you. So can you repeat yourself please?" Nobody wants to lose their benefits.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 2:05 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 14:05:15 -0500

Just because the military is 'kinder and gentler' these days, it does not mean that subordinates can disobey a lawful order. As a supervisor, you should first explain that E2, as a serviceman, he must obey a lawful order. And if he does not, there is a consequence. Period. You must write him up if he does not take you seriously. If you are thinking that he is a good kid, who was having a bad day or needing mentor, then get to know him better and guide him. But clear discipline must be the first action. If you do not handle this disobedience right away, your subordinates, even the good ones, will never take you seriously.

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Mar 7 at 2017 2:05 PM

CPL Brian Clouser — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 14:05:34 -0500

In the good old days it would be wall to wall counseling Today military its drop and give me 50 and write him up and assign him extra duty If he keep refusing,, then an Article 15 will solve the private problem. Nobody like to lose money and being confined to the quarters doing extra duty

Response by PO3 William Fusick made Mar 7 at 2017 2:21 PM

PO3 William Fusick — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 14:21:20 -0500

I don't understand the new soldiers today and how they think they have the balls to act like that. I remember in 1966 aboard the aircraft carrier Bonnie Dick and being a E3 in radar with a really racist E5 from South Carolina making me scrub the inside of the stainless steel toilets by hand every day. I would have never thought of not doing what he ordered even though I could not stand him. I knew one day I would be above him in rank and would show him compassion inspite of his ways.

Response by 1SG Rick Davis made Mar 7 at 2017 2:45 PM

1SG Rick Davis — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 14:45:32 -0500

I would put him in the prone position for 50 push ups. Upon completion he would stand facing the formation and explain why he thinks he is superior to each of his fellow soldiers why he was so special and shouldn't share in the assigned duties. They would help to adjust his attitude over time.

AIRBORNE

Response by SGT George Harrison Jr. made Mar 7 at 2017 4:07 PM

SGT George Harrison Jr. — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:07:47 -0500

I would try to find out what's going on and it's just flat out being defiant then an example would be make of what not to do. Art 15 extra duty and money taken sho7ld correct it, if not then a chapter with PFC Snuff going home on a bus.

Response by PFC Derek Ivey made Mar 7 at 2017 4:19 PM

PFC Derek Ivey — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:19:09 -0500

Pull his tongue out and shuv it up his ass. Full blown disrespect to you higher command should be dealt with straight forward discipline (corporal punishment).

Response by PO2 Phillip Scott made Mar 7 at 2017 4:21 PM

PO2 Phillip Scott — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:21:24 -0500

Had a Seaman up for 3rd class tell me as a 2nd Class that he was going to sleep and not turn to, asked if he understood that he was being given a lawful order by a senior PO, he said yes and turned over to go to sleep. I wrote him up and we got underway the next day, I did the work he was suppose to do . Two days later he was called before the Chief and told he had Captains Mast that afternoon for disobeying a lawful order. He was reduced in Rank, lost 3 months pay and was on shipboard confinement for 3months. No one in my Division ever again disobeyed an order from any PO after that. This was in 1974. He was upset that I wrote him up but I explained that it was my responsiblilty to have our equipment up and ready to be underway and I could be given a mast for not being sure that we could get underway and I was not going to lose my hard earned rank because he wanted to sleep after noon chow.

Response by SSG Don Maggart made Mar 7 at 2017 4:41 PM

SSG Don Maggart — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:41:09 -0500

Is he in Formation or a dark Hallway??? Or am I demonstrating a Chokehold or a Throatpunch...??? laffs MilitantCrip

Response by 1SG Dee Ernst made Mar 7 at 2017 5:27 PM

1SG Dee Ernst — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 17:27:15 -0500

Install more fear & smoke his ass!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2017 6:02 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 18:02:01 -0500

Being in the National Guard, I would have no issue saying "Go to supply and get MOPP gear" and smoke the crap out of them, or as my old squad leader would say, "If you don't want to be here, there's the door." I know the last one is argumentative as a leader, telling a soldier to just leave, but honestly we don't need that type of insubordination in our military. Just my two cents though.

Response by Michael Claudio made Mar 7 at 2017 7:32 PM

Michael Claudio — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:32:08 -0500

I would like to think that a disciplinary measure akin to getting the spit slapped out of your mouth like my mother used to do 8f I got smart with her......which was not often at all. But I can remember that smack to this day and that smack had its desired effect....I listened and did as I was told for the greater good of the household.

Response by SPC Luke Loschiavo made Mar 7 at 2017 8:15 PM

SPC Luke Loschiavo — Tue, 07 Mar 2017 20:15:27 -0500

Smack the Shit right out of him!

Response by CPT Daniel Glorsky made Mar 8 at 2017 1:23 AM

CPT Daniel Glorsky — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 01:23:06 -0500

Crush it immediately in public. Then UCMJ. CO grade ART 15. If it persists, you can always escalate to FG or chapter

Response by SP5 Gary Gerow made Mar 8 at 2017 6:36 AM

SP5 Gary Gerow — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 06:36:40 -0500

He'd be doing about 50 push ups with me sitting on his back!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2017 8:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 08:26:12 -0500

I would have to take a moment to calm myself.......... Then its time for some corrective training or memory builders....... flutter kicks, front back go, mule kicks. I wouldn't go over board, but when I'm done that soldier would have a light coat of sweat on him!

Response by SFC John Cancienne made Mar 8 at 2017 8:59 AM

SFC John Cancienne — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 08:59:08 -0500

Unless the order was in some way unlawful, I would release the rest of my team for work detail, then escort this young PV2, (Army PFCs are E-3), directly to the company 1SG, and let him escort this soldier into the commander's office. I can almost guarantee this would result in some form of non judicial punishment, and he could well be finding himself not only doing the original task he was ordered to do, but a couple of weeks extra duty doing something even more distasteful, and some restriction. Not to mention money coming out of his pocket by way of a fine.

Response by SPC Rian Freeman made Mar 8 at 2017 3:35 PM

SPC Rian Freeman — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 15:35:16 -0500

Beat your MF face. And hope to god the medic can get my foot outta your ass.

Response by PO3 Chris Pehrson made Mar 8 at 2017 3:51 PM

PO3 Chris Pehrson — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 15:51:50 -0500

Well, in my time... it would be a slight arm grab, a rib shot, an ear full. Second time, someone be sitting in medic Bay. Job has to be done either way.

Response by Sgt Robert Smith made Mar 8 at 2017 4:46 PM

Sgt Robert Smith — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:46:22 -0500

Smack the dogcrap out of the puke........then make him do every shit detail for a week.

Response by 1LT Delanor Chapman made Mar 8 at 2017 4:48 PM

1LT Delanor Chapman — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:48:13 -0500

Call the MP'S IF he disregards a direct order. The UCMJ has that under control. Let them deal with it. That's their job.

Response by Sgt Mike J Braun made Mar 8 at 2017 5:18 PM

Sgt Mike J Braun — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 17:18:24 -0500

They can do it after they give me 250 on the ground

Response by SSG Jeffery Baumgartner made Mar 8 at 2017 6:02 PM

SSG Jeffery Baumgartner — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 18:02:34 -0500

Let the little shits know that if they wanted to make the decisions for themselves, they should have stayed in the civilian sector of the population. Questioning and indecisiveness can and many times get you killed.

Response by LCpl Kevin Moreland made Mar 8 at 2017 6:02 PM

LCpl Kevin Moreland — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 18:02:43 -0500

If you head strong and that undisciplined the Corp ain't for you. We'd a handled it Marine to Marine. Especially the 03 field. Maybe the "New Marine Corp" tolerates that shit. I've seen Marines change their tune real fast after some go one on one.

Response by Tim Baker made Mar 8 at 2017 6:41 PM

Tim Baker — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 18:41:27 -0500

Whatcha think JerrynKim

Response by SGT Kelly Wright made Mar 8 at 2017 6:50 PM

SGT Kelly Wright — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 18:50:24 -0500

Obviously the PVT needs redirected, sure I'll give the task to someone else while the remainder of the day you flip the woodchips in front of the Battalion so they look new, then write your congressmen and explain your waste of taxpayer dollars.

Response by SPC Gary Pulis made Mar 8 at 2017 8:23 PM

SPC Gary Pulis — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 20:23:24 -0500

In my day Sarg would have given an impromptu hand to hand demonstration.

Response by SSG Corey Schmidt made Mar 8 at 2017 8:25 PM

SSG Corey Schmidt — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 20:25:59 -0500

Push ups, until I am tired , then a blanket party

Response by SFC Donald York made Mar 8 at 2017 9:35 PM

SFC Donald York — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:35:22 -0500

I carried myself pretty damn well and never had to worry about that. Had it ever happened, the Top Sergeant would be taking away some money from him/her, and the soldier would go back to E-1 and be doing some extra kp.

Response by SGT Michael Hatcher made Mar 8 at 2017 9:46 PM

SGT Michael Hatcher — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:46:22 -0500

1 Question. WTF do they do in basic ??? What happen to the REAL ARMY. Are these the problems the "NEW ARMY" HAS ? WoW

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2017 10:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:27:30 -0500

I would counsel, then punish. Then carry on.

Response by Matthew French made Mar 8 at 2017 10:37 PM

Matthew French — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:37:09 -0500

Considering I am a civilian and have know leader skills or any act in the military i'm not sure. If I was a drill instructor and someone smart mouthed me I would most likely do the same. It doesn't matter if you are a civilian or a E2, never backtalk anyone that is at a higher standpoint than yourself. Its not only a sign of respect, its a act of obedience. You're set out to do a job in the military that you signed up for. No matter the situation.

Response by PO1 Dallas Shewmaker made Mar 9 at 2017 10:19 AM

PO1 Dallas Shewmaker — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:19:35 -0500

I'm of the same schooling that you praise in public, reprimand in private. I had this happen before and this is how I dealt with it:

Morning Muster/Formation - In Port. I was delegating work for the day and about half way through Seaman S. Bhag is given his duty and doesn't like it. So he spouts off about his discontent. I tried to silence him initially but he refused to save the discussion. I gave a direct order to be quiet and retracted my assignment.

SN S. Bhag was feeling a bit victorious as I reassigned the work to somebody else. I then went on to assign other work to others and saved the worst of the jobs for last. You can guess who I assigned that job to. When everyone was released, he was the last to break from formation.

When everyone had moved into the workspaces, I paid a visit to check up on my people. The unruly Seaman was dredging along but working. That's when I decided for some undocumented "Extra Military Instruction." He complained about getting the crappy job but I explained that if he had kept his mouth shut in formation, he would have had the less crappy of jobs. I concluded with declaring that the next time that he has a concern about his work, he bring it up directly to me after the formation and no sooner. Failure to comply with this would result in disciplinary action.

Did this change the attitude of SN S. Bhag? No. He was just a bad seed overall.
I will say that he never challenged my authority in formation again, though!

Response by SPC Tim LaFountain made Mar 9 at 2017 10:29 AM

SPC Tim LaFountain — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:29:15 -0500

It's a fine line to walk, if you strike him you could get in trouble for it. But you have to do something or you lose that sense of authority that you have with the rest of the platoon, he either does the task or Article 15 him for insubordination.

Response by PV2 Paul Yoder made Mar 9 at 2017 10:42 AM

PV2 Paul Yoder — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:42:44 -0500

Article 15.

Response by PO1 Stephen Oxborrow made Mar 9 at 2017 12:35 PM

PO1 Stephen Oxborrow — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 12:35:08 -0500

Remove the E2 from formation. Tell him to remain and dismiss the formation as if nothing has happened. After explain the consequences of his actions. Appropriately discipline if necessary.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Mar 9 at 2017 2:41 PM

SSG Richard Reilly — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 14:41:48 -0500

Well I was a Staff Sergeant so I would open a portal to hell and let him know jumping down there was going to be more enjoyable than standing in front of me any longer.

Response by SSG Cody Turner made Mar 9 at 2017 3:59 PM

SSG Cody Turner — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 15:59:17 -0500

Not being one to punish in public, unless they absolutely bring it down on them self. Like this moron did when he disrespected an NCO in front of others. He'd get a firm ass chewing for everyone to hear, then stand fast, while everyone else carry on with the plan of the day. In the infantry I didn't have room for insubordination. That kinda crap gets people killed. So I'd punish in form of a heavy smoking, then I'd have to put that little smart ass pv2 on paper and nip his attitude in the butt.

Response by Brian Bennett made Mar 9 at 2017 4:47 PM

Brian Bennett — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:47:20 -0500

I was never in the military, But I have the GREATEST respect for all who serve. Learn your place, work together, become a leader or a follower. But show disrespect, whatever happens, you deserve it! Take time to learn about the people you serve, who have been through there time and came out on top. You might just learn something from them.

Response by SGT Kenneth Bryan made Mar 9 at 2017 5:17 PM

SGT Kenneth Bryan — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:17:38 -0500

Smoke the dog shit out of him

Response by 1SG John Fowles made Mar 9 at 2017 5:50 PM

1SG John Fowles — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:50:54 -0500

Wall to wall counseling always helped, that is right we don't do that anymore, so the next best thing is to work out that guttiness out of him

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2017 6:25 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 18:25:38 -0500

Tell the little shit to stand fast after formation. After formation is dismissed, explain to them their deficiencies in judgment when disobeying a lawful order given by an NCO. After which, they can have time to explain their behavior. Lastly, make your decision; let it go, or have him doing Iron Mike's 'till the walls sweat.

Response by CPL Angel Rodriguez made Mar 9 at 2017 6:49 PM

CPL Angel Rodriguez — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 18:49:03 -0500

He needs to learn his general orders and know what they mean to heart and that would require some hard core discipline to him and section leader shit rolls down hill

Response by CPL Gene Ramsden made Mar 9 at 2017 7:16 PM

CPL Gene Ramsden — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:16:12 -0500

E2, permanent assignment ? Take to Top for re-education or Article-15 recommendation. Disobeying orders in the barracks means your useless to ME, and this unit in the field.

Response by CPL David Thorpe made Mar 9 at 2017 7:20 PM

CPL David Thorpe — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:20:49 -0500

Inform him he is in violation of umcj.Make him understand an order is not a request and not up for debate.tell again what he is to do.if he still refuses take his pvt2 stripe.

Response by SFC Mike Wilkins made Mar 9 at 2017 7:38 PM

SFC Mike Wilkins — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:38:12 -0500

Continue handling our assignments and after finished release the rest for duty hold that one individual. Tell him one last time the job he is going to do if he says no again take him to next in command have him tell him the same thing plus give him extra duty or Article 15 or both and insure the rest know what happened.

Response by PO2 Hunter Johnson made Mar 9 at 2017 8:33 PM

PO2 Hunter Johnson — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:33:21 -0500

OMFG he is right, there is another job for him and his Squad. I'd have all the other squad leader set forward, assign the additional work evenly between them. But before they depart they are to go in to the head and piss on anything and everything but the toilets and urinals. PFC nonqualdinkpuk and his squad will now commence to clean the company head with their fucking tooth brushes. After two hours a black light check to see how good a job is being done, they will stay there till the place in fucking spotless...

Response by SPC Rikk Hillicoss made Mar 9 at 2017 8:42 PM

SPC Rikk Hillicoss — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:42:28 -0500

pt until there is total muscle failure. my favorite is cherry pickers and mule kicks repeat until desired results achieved .

Response by PO3 Jim Schmit made Mar 9 at 2017 8:46 PM

PO3 Jim Schmit — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:46:32 -0500

maggot drop down and give me 50

Response by SrA Jon Davis made Mar 9 at 2017 9:00 PM

SrA Jon Davis — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:00:10 -0500

Like the above comment, ask em to explain themselves after formation in private. If they are still defiant, I feel a 15 is a bit harsh as a first reaponce. Id vote for an LOR and volenteer the little shit for even more duties taking away some of their free time.

If the issue persists after, give em a 15 with work, possibly pay cuts.

Response by CWO4 Nick Schwartzkopf made Mar 9 at 2017 9:29 PM

CWO4 Nick Schwartzkopf — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:29:01 -0500

I would give the task to the rest of the troops as this E2 suggested. Then I'd find another less pleasant task for this E2 to perform under the watchful eye of the rest of the troops. Finally, I'd bring the individual into a private room where I'd explain the responsibility to work as a team or probably be ostraciaed by the others in his command.

Response by CMDCM Richard Overstreet made Mar 9 at 2017 10:08 PM

CMDCM Richard Overstreet — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 22:08:34 -0500

Been there done that. The first time, as an ETC I told the E5 to stand fast and I'd explain it to him one on one. I was onboard for 2 days at the time and had walked into an unmotivated shithole. The outgoing ETC wasn't a Chief, he was an E-7, big difference. The CWO missed being a Chief and had his hand on everything. I got the E-5's attention but it only lasted a couple months. The second time, everyone was watching to see if I'd hold my ground. After he'd interrupted quarters with a comment of "bullshit " about a tasking I took a deep breath and made eye contact. He was big eyed and scared. I said "ET2 Knucklehead meet me in the passageway...NOW. I put the LPO in charge and went out to wait for him. He stumbled outside all sweating and apologizing, Chief it slipped, never ever ever etc. I said look jackass, I've had enough. He got to stay late and wax decks and I made it clear that if there was ever another incident he wouldn't survive. I went back into quarters and finished up but sent him to berthing to start cleaning shitters. I found out later that some of the guys were wagering whether he was alive or not. I followed up by telling the outbound guy he couldn't come to quarters anymore and the told the Warrant he needed to go do Officer shit. The division had been slowly crumbling for awhile and it was the leaderships bust as much as the Sailors. They learned that we were back on track pretty quick and I didn't have hardly any trouble after that.

Response by PFC Gregorio Diaz made Mar 10 at 2017 5:36 AM

PFC Gregorio Diaz — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 05:36:55 -0500

A real hard BITCH Slap to the side of his face. If he reacts then a pucch to his throat to neutralize the the escalation.

Response by CPL Delbert Helm made Mar 10 at 2017 9:05 AM

CPL Delbert Helm — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 09:05:59 -0500

simple drop him in front of the platoon and explain to him the chain of command then ask his squad leader why his man was getting out of line. then explain to them that was there first and only warning. they wont do that agen and if so the rest of the platoon will help keep them in line from then on. if not bring on ar15s for in subornation.

Response by SSgt Randy Kemp made Mar 10 at 2017 12:34 PM

SSgt Randy Kemp — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:34:23 -0500

While in front of the rest of the troops I would repeat my original order while also stating that I was not asking him to do it, that I was telling him to do it and stating that this type of behavior would not be tolerated by him or any others.

Response by Pvt Alex Richard made Mar 10 at 2017 1:03 PM

Pvt Alex Richard — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:03:34 -0500

Obviously that kid didn't know his place in his formation luckily he's is still breathing, sad part is that punch probably costed the entire squad punishment. But he won't do it again I bet.

Response by SGT P P made Mar 10 at 2017 1:30 PM

SGT P P — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:30:19 -0500

Throat punch in Bruce Lee style and then some...

Response by SMSgt Stan Nelson made Mar 10 at 2017 2:10 PM

SMSgt Stan Nelson — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:10:41 -0500

In the early 1960s, group punishment was often used to straighten out a smart mouthed recruit. Peer pressure got his attention faster than individual punishment.

Response by PO2 Kevin Nones made Mar 10 at 2017 2:34 PM

PO2 Kevin Nones — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:34:04 -0500

Entitled E5...Sound like a bunch of bad@sses on this site....Keyboard commandoes

Response by FN Ed Casanova made Mar 10 at 2017 7:20 PM

FN Ed Casanova — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:20:46 -0500

There's NO EXCUSE, EVER for insubordination. If not nipped early, and mercilessly lives are at risk. Period. There's no place for a snowflake. The way I figure it the parents and boot camp failed the cupcake.

So be it.

I'll fix this shit FAST, belowdecks Ending with my leg snapped off at the knee up cupcakes ass!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2017 7:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:33:44 -0500

Push ups....run laps....everyone......

Response by CPO Jesse Yarbrough made Mar 10 at 2017 7:38 PM

CPO Jesse Yarbrough — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:38:37 -0500

I would dress him down verbally in front of the troops, then have him and his squad leader stand tall after dismissing the other troops. Advise the squad leader how I wanted him to work the disrespect out of him and then send them to do their Task. I would check and ensure on multiple times during the next few hours, days and weeks that they were doing their task together. I would also be rewriting the extra duty assignments to ensure that all the troops as well as E2 mouth and his team leader got all the extra duty they could stand for a couple weeks. After that peer pressure and leadership should stop this kind of disrespect.

Response by SGT Nick Blanchette made Mar 10 at 2017 8:26 PM

SGT Nick Blanchette — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 20:26:35 -0500

I would smoke the shit out of him for hours on end.

Response by PFC Alejandro Garcia made Mar 10 at 2017 9:23 PM

PFC Alejandro Garcia — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:23:09 -0500

As a Vietnam Veteran I know that when an E-5 gives you an order you do it, not only because he said so but he knows what he is doing. If it were not for the training that every NCO gets our armed services would be in bad shape. As for this E-2 he should be given a Article-15 for disobeying a direct order. The E-5 superior rank was questioned by an E-2 and that should never happen, when you go into the Armed Forces you be come part of a team and that E-5 leads that team so to question him or not follow his orders could mean your coming back home from a Hostile conflict.

Response by Sgt Jeffrey Campbell made Mar 10 at 2017 9:36 PM

Sgt Jeffrey Campbell — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:36:11 -0500

Body Slam Time, Have that Mouthpiece think about it,give him about 10 seconds, Then repeat your orders, then tell them ....comply to the orders that I gave you or you will stand before the CO, you're going to lose, restriction, money,loss of rank.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2017 9:40 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:40:03 -0500

As a Specialist (E4) squad leader in charge of other E4's I have had this problem. It is rather difficult to handle another E4 because in their mind, you are the same. I was put in the position for a reason. Soldier tells me no. I remind soldier that I am in charge and that what I say you have to do. I prepared a counseling and the best part of the counseling is the ~magic bullet~ stating that if these actions persist, that UCMJ actions can be a result. Corrective training has to be related to the infraction and counseling swiftly administered. Detailed and carefully worded so that no loopholes can be found. Some of these soldiers think they are barracks lawyers. Once the corrective actions have been completed close out the counseling with a little "so why did you do it" session. It is important to know your soldiers and place their needs above your own. But at the same regard do not let them walk all over you. I make it a point not to only direct. I direct and actively work along side my soldiers. I feel that is a good way of showing leadership.

Response by GySgt Lenny Hume made Mar 10 at 2017 10:24 PM

GySgt Lenny Hume — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:24:50 -0500

Corrections need to be made immediately & on the spot. If troops you give orders to have something to say, as their leader, you need to let them know that shit don't work that way.

Then you give them a choice -Either they get hot on what you told them to do, or they get written up & lose some money. The choice is theirs.
(If they wanna get physical that's a totally separate issue, which can be taken care of, too, & also results in a write-up, anyway)lol

Response by CPL Ernie Delgadillo made Mar 10 at 2017 10:28 PM

CPL Ernie Delgadillo — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:28:26 -0500

absolutely!

Response by A1C Teddy Woodson made Mar 10 at 2017 10:42 PM

A1C Teddy Woodson — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:42:17 -0500

If one acts up, then the others will suffer and he'll face his consequences.

Response by PO2 Mark Tirrell made Mar 10 at 2017 10:59 PM

PO2 Mark Tirrell — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:59:20 -0500

bildge diving to clean

Response by SGT Luther Switzer made Mar 10 at 2017 11:19 PM

SGT Luther Switzer — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:19:01 -0500

What kind of leader were you? Maybe this pvt has gotten the wrong impression about you because you let others slide. Task and discipline must be consistent. Never had trouble like this in my 12 years in. Sometimes they might get lazy, but taking a weekend for training usually got them back on track

Response by Cpl Robert Wilson made Mar 10 at 2017 11:38 PM

Cpl Robert Wilson — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:38:55 -0500

Cpl.USMC Grab his ass by the balls and bring him to his knees. Tell his puke ass if he doesn't do it the worse is yet to come. Semper Fi do or die

Response by SGT Jose Luis Cruz made Mar 10 at 2017 11:43 PM

SGT Jose Luis Cruz — Fri, 10 Mar 2017 23:43:12 -0500

In my days, 1977 post Vietnam era, I'll correct him there dismiss the squad/platoon and have a few words with him pushing the earth/floor down to

Response by SGT S Wirth made Mar 11 at 2017 12:59 AM

SGT S Wirth — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 00:59:39 -0500

Pull the Pvt aside in view but private, explain in a direct way that to do as told helps squadmates. Then challenge him too see if that obstinate nature can be taught into a leadership qualities. Never be afraid to question your orders, just do it right.

Response by Leland Whitehouse made Mar 11 at 2017 1:05 AM

Leland Whitehouse — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 01:05:14 -0500

When he is ready to hit the sack I enter the room and call him out for a night mission. He will be sorry the next day.

Response by James Trumper made Mar 11 at 2017 5:57 AM

James Trumper — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 05:57:20 -0500

I would remind the E2 that as property of the United States military, they no longer have the right to choose what they will or won't do, allow them an extremely brief amount of time to rephrase their jubilation on drawing that particular work detail.

Response by SP5 John Timlin made Mar 11 at 2017 8:50 AM

SP5 John Timlin — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:50:13 -0500

A drop and smoke his ass until he couldn't talk anymore then I get his ass up put his pack on and give him a nice long run to think about it

Response by SP5 John Timlin made Mar 11 at 2017 8:53 AM

SP5 John Timlin — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:53:59 -0500

I'm going to explain ship them out smoke his ass like I said no Prophet has right to question and ncos orders when it comes to that point that private Snuffy can question and then Co that's a breakdown of command I am explaining nothing to him that after I smoked his ass anything other than that pardon my French but your a pussy

Response by Sgt Curtis Daughdrill made Mar 11 at 2017 8:56 AM

Sgt Curtis Daughdrill — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 08:56:30 -0500

I agree with Gunny Pepper

Response by Cpl Jerry Clarkin made Mar 11 at 2017 9:22 AM

Cpl Jerry Clarkin — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:22:26 -0500

Simple take him off in private. Find actual issue then proceed. I also remind them next time take this issue up in private. If they make things public so can I but as you see I don't. This time they do it unless they were not trained how to do it and safely.

Response by A1C Sid Cranston made Mar 11 at 2017 9:54 AM

A1C Sid Cranston — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:54:02 -0500

Tell him it is not up for debate, and make his job even worse!

Response by MAJ Nat Hart made Mar 11 at 2017 10:05 AM

MAJ Nat Hart — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:05:21 -0500

This happened in the field for my SFC. I was a Major, S-2 and, as I had been a Signal Officer in the past, was also the OIC for the Commo Det. We were with a Medical unit at JRTC. About half way through the 10 day operation, I was there at the TOC. There were about 4 commo guys standing there and the SFC told one of them, a PFC, to check the wire to one of the fighting positions. He said, "No, get someone else to do it. I was up most of the night and I am tired." My jaw dropped, as did the SFC's. He calmly restated the command and the PFC said about the same thing. I immediately excused myself. The SFC took the PFC outside and talked with him. Since the kid was so tired, the SFC gave him a hand-held urinal and confined him to his bunk for 3 days. The PFC did not mind this for the first day, but after that he was getting anxious to go outside. He used the hand-held urinal, ate in his bunk, and only came outside the tent - escorted - if he needed to use the hooter. He was ridiculed and snubbed by his buddies and other troops. Not sure what happened when he got back to garrison, as they were not part of the hospital command.

Response by PFC Cory Rutten made Mar 11 at 2017 10:27 AM

PFC Cory Rutten — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 10:27:08 -0500

Why is a senior E5 handing out duties to juniors anyways? That's a team lead or Corporals duty. In the 90's, our Corporals and Seargents would have our asses on a special shit detail if you tried that...must be a millennial!

Response by PO3 Michael Bley made Mar 11 at 2017 11:08 AM

PO3 Michael Bley — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 11:08:46 -0500

Tell him he will do his duty or he will be written up for dirilicktion of duty and disrespect.

Response by SA Bryan P. Aucremanne made Mar 11 at 2017 11:14 AM

SA Bryan P. Aucremanne — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 11:14:05 -0500

He did WHAT? MY GUNNY SERGEANT WOULD HAVE HIS A**...

Response by Jacque Butler made Mar 11 at 2017 12:49 PM

Jacque Butler — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 12:49:05 -0500

I'll give it to the whole company plus him until everybody there is against him,,it's no fun getting the shit looks and cold shoulder from guy you thought was on your side

Response by Capt Ross Jarvis made Mar 11 at 2017 2:30 PM

Capt Ross Jarvis — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 14:30:34 -0500

The little "entitled" smartass needs to be taken down a notch or two. Disrespect has no place in the military !!

Response by SSG Darren Tracy made Mar 11 at 2017 3:12 PM

SSG Darren Tracy — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 15:12:36 -0500

Room, Attention! Half-Left, Face!
Front Leaning Rest Position, Move!
In Cadence! one, two, three, four. (Repeat until I am tired).
Position of attention, Who told you to move? Start all over at front leaning rest.....

Response by Sgt Jeff Lance made Mar 11 at 2017 3:14 PM

Sgt Jeff Lance — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 15:14:47 -0500

Sometimes there are circumstances that cause an individual to do said things. But that is no excuse, he should have discussed that with someone rather than being disrespectful. I always say go by the book, so that you cover your own ass, and should it get physical only as last resort. Saying this because my father was a Drill Instructor for 4 years, and i heard the stories on how things were handled, and he NEVER got physically accosted any of his troops. He however was in the presence of a few that had to be "taught a lesson" old school style, once instance a new recruit challenged a senior drill, in the presence of my dad, who was the ranking senior drill, and because the boys daddy was Brigadier Gen, he thought he was above the regulations, and was a pretty good size boy, and when felt froggy and leaped, the drill , who was a big ole boy also, knocked the wind out of his sail, when the recruit said to my father, who had his backed turned looking out the window, you saw that did you not drill sgt, my father said i saw nothing. long story short, the boy called his daddy, and daddy said straighten up and get your shit together,my father said he became the best recruit EVER.

Response by GySgt David Kinchloe made Mar 11 at 2017 4:45 PM

GySgt David Kinchloe — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:45:17 -0500

wall to wall!

Response by Tim Volz made Mar 11 at 2017 6:05 PM

Tim Volz — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:05:31 -0500

Dump his stow box, demand 50 push-ups. Then send to kitchen for KP Duty.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2017 6:33 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:33:54 -0500

Straight up just burn him. You cant really do much else now without yourself getting fucked over in the end. So i would just push paper work on him.

Response by LCpl Monte Hirschy made Mar 11 at 2017 6:53 PM

LCpl Monte Hirschy — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 18:53:11 -0500

nip it quickly with swiftness

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2017 7:43 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:43:18 -0500

Smoke him.

Response by MCPO Michael Powell made Mar 11 at 2017 8:07 PM

MCPO Michael Powell — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:07:37 -0500

First of all if this individual does not want to live by the rules and take lawful orders, then he must be punished. If he continues to be a problem, then there is always a means of discharging this individual. Being able to have the young man talk to the leading Seaman if he was in the Navy, would be another way of handling it, however, they do not let you do that anymore. Too much PC right now going on.

Response by LCpl Jeff Ogg made Mar 11 at 2017 8:13 PM

LCpl Jeff Ogg — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:13:07 -0500

Mountain climbers

Response by SMSgt Clarence Cramp made Mar 11 at 2017 8:22 PM

SMSgt Clarence Cramp — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:22:06 -0500

I would call the Security Police and have him put in jail.

Response by Sgt Gary Robokoff made Mar 11 at 2017 8:32 PM

Sgt Gary Robokoff — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:32:48 -0500

It would be platoon Attention about face, smart mouth aboutbface. Bawm, platoon about face

Response by Sgt Ronald Phillips made Mar 11 at 2017 8:45 PM

Sgt Ronald Phillips — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:45:57 -0500

This can not be tolerated. Call the troops to attention order the E2 to stand fast then dismiss the formation to carry on. get into the face of the E2 and explain to him her that outbursts and disorder will not be tolerated and order them to do the job they were ordered to do and that additional work will be ordered once the task has been preformed. If any and I men any sign of disgust or attitude is given then it becomes an issue for judicial punishment.

Response by PO2 Ed Williams made Mar 11 at 2017 8:55 PM

PO2 Ed Williams — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:55:05 -0500

Kill him. But make him dig the grave first in front of the other men.

Response by PO3 John Clark made Mar 11 at 2017 8:59 PM

PO3 John Clark — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:59:13 -0500

When i was in you didn't question shit

Response by SFC Pat Kelly made Mar 11 at 2017 9:33 PM

SFC Pat Kelly — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:33:19 -0500

I would have the rest of the troops go to their assigned jobs and keep the young E-2 behind. Then I would take the young troop somewhere where we could talk in private. I would explain how it works to him again and if he still acts the same, I would pencil whip him and explain to him what I was doing and that it could cost him his stripes and money. If that didn't impress him, then it would be all over and I wouldn't have anything more to do with him other than the fact that he was going to see the old man and he could expect to be kicked out of my Army.

Response by Shell Barth made Mar 11 at 2017 9:42 PM

Shell Barth — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:42:35 -0500

Completely unacceptable. Smoke him until he has an attitude adjustment. Then hand him his assignment for the day. His response should be, Yes Sergeant! Thank You Sergeant!

Response by SMSgt Barry Mills made Mar 11 at 2017 11:11 PM

SMSgt Barry Mills — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:11:12 -0500

I agree with all. It needs to be nipped at the initial standpoint! You let them know who'is in charge! You establish the leadership organization at the beginning!

Response by PO1 Timothy Harcey made Mar 11 at 2017 11:42 PM

PO1 Timothy Harcey — Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:42:52 -0500

In the military there is a chain of command, as in this scenario I would be an Sgt or Second Class Petty Officer I would do the following. So I would hand out the assignments and have a conversation the private or seaman's NCO or Petty Officer supervisor in private. They would be told to have a conversation with the individual and report back when the problem is corrected. The private or seaman would be assigned to every shit detail that crossed my desk. If the NCO {E-4} or Petty Officer {E-4} could not correct the problem in what I think is a timely manor then they would start to do his details and he would watch them until they corrected the problem. As I was keeping a long as to what I did to correct the problem complete with dates and time. If the problem persisted, I would fill out the proper forms to refer charges when I have a conversation with my supervisor. After I have a conversation with my supervisor it would be his responsibility to correct and or advise me as to the next course of action.

In the old days we would have a NCO party with all of the units NCO's and the private or seaman as the center of attention. That would leave him with no witness and his word against twenty E-4 to E-9's.

Response by PFC Jonathan Mcgowan made Mar 12 at 2017 12:08 AM

PFC Jonathan Mcgowan — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 00:08:41 -0500

Example needs to be made, teach them discipline now and it just may save his life or the lives of his fellow soldiers in the future

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2017 12:09 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 00:09:14 -0500

Assign latrine duty to be inspected before allowing to go on liberty

Response by Michele Loving made Mar 12 at 2017 7:47 AM

Michele Loving — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 07:47:57 -0400

Do push ups, then give him latrine Duty with a toothbrush. Since he likes to talk crap let him clean it up.

Response by Rj Oram made Mar 12 at 2017 8:16 AM

Rj Oram — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:16:59 -0400

As a civilian who comes from a military family, in fact I'm the first out of the last 4, and maybe even more, generations of my family to not join the NAVY. But as the son of an E7 Chief Petty Officer, Ive spent enough growing up on Coronado to know that it is never ok to disobey a direct order from a superior and good things will never come to anyone who thinks it is ok to do so. I don't know much more about the military and the way they do things than what I learned on living on base, but I do know that the last thing anyone would ever want to do if they appreciate whatever privileges they may have is to tell my father (NAVY E7 CPO)(that's Chief Petty Officer for those unfamiliar with rank)absolutely anything he wouldn't be happy to hear let alone disobey a direct order from someone who not only has been walking around the block 10 years for every year the disobedient kid, with obviously no respect, think he's been around the block. But for the most part, obviously there's exceptions as there are with anything but, for example, in the case of my father your not just telling someone who's been serving for the entirety of your naive life to F off, your telling a man, not an adult male of at least 18 years who calls them self a man, but a real man (yes there's a difference) who has more than proven himself not only as a man but as a soldier and not even just a soldier but as a man the way man should be defined...Someone who would selflessly and without question fight and die to protect not only what they believe in, not only their family, but to protect the rights in which we take for granted on a daily basis and to protect the families of everyone in this great country of ours, foriegn and domestic. Your telling a man who again, didn't just earn the title Man, your telling a man who busted his ass to get where he is and has more than earned much more respect you are expected to show... Your telling someone who has (I would hope so anyways if you wish to be Considered a leader of any kind) seen combat On more than one occasion that his orders aren't worth following and you never know, that superior you just might as well have said F U too could and without warning start having a post traumatic episode and it might just be the one where the drill instructor spit in his ear. Kids these days aren't Taught to respect and obey like they were generations before my own and it reflects in our young ones. Everyone has their own opinion on how a situation such as this should be handled...As a 24 Year old kid (notice I didn't refer to myself as a man, only cause I believe the title Man should be exclusively reserved for people like our men and women who so bravely fight to protect our way of living and do so with the expectation of nothing in return) and as an American citizen who has had the pleasure of being part of the worst generation to ever walk the planet. Ive been Blessed with the opportunity to observe the way this great country of mine has evolved over the years and how the way people act and the things people do have also changed weather it's do to immigration and the cultural diversity that is America or maybe it's just the age we live in, I may not know how things really were before my days but I know enough to know that this country isnt what it used to be. We were once a nation united, especially back in the 40s 50s and weve slowly become a nation divided over time. Divided by race, and culture and so much more...All it takes is a little change. Take the time to discipline your children properly....It'll make all the difference in the future...

Response by Sgt James Smith made Mar 12 at 2017 8:43 AM

Sgt James Smith — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:43:07 -0400

detail

Response by SGT Kevin Davis made Mar 12 at 2017 10:19 AM

SGT Kevin Davis — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 10:19:59 -0400

Have him and his battle buddy/ roommate/ or the most squared away PFC in the squad meet me in 5 minutes in bdu's and L.B.E. Explain his buddy (the squared away pfc) just got shot because of his (shithead's) refusal to follow orders and his failure to "shoot, move and communicate" (or do what needs done). Low crawl buddy drag around the batallion until all work details are complete, which will take longer because of 2 less workers. Hot or cold, rain or shine this one drives the message home without ever raising your voice. Then paper counseling. Always leave a paper trail or of there is a next time it's like it never happened and Article 15 is harder.

Response by Johnny Colburn made Mar 12 at 2017 11:42 AM

Johnny Colburn — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:42:52 -0400

Do like your ordered

Response by SSgt Dave Klemencic made Mar 12 at 2017 12:56 PM

SSgt Dave Klemencic — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 12:56:48 -0400

Set this young man straight immediately and remind him that this is not "His Show"

Response by PO2 Stephen Potter made Mar 12 at 2017 1:03 PM

PO2 Stephen Potter — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:03:24 -0400

"The dismembered, unidentifiable corps of an E2 was found floating at sea today by a fishing vessel. The metal rank insignia was the only unchared piece of uniform left on the body. Investigators believe he smarted of to the wrong NCO."

Response by PFC Ray Dilg made Mar 12 at 2017 1:04 PM

PFC Ray Dilg — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 13:04:16 -0400

I remember smarting off to an E-5 when I was in my second eight weeks, I got punched in the mouth. Didn't like it but never did it again. The military is different.

Response by SFC Don Capps made Mar 12 at 2017 3:45 PM

SFC Don Capps — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:45:31 -0400

Article 15, demote to E1 real quick. Extra Detail for next 6 weeks.

Response by Sgt Edgar Rockwell made Mar 12 at 2017 4:02 PM

Sgt Edgar Rockwell — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:02:14 -0400

He would be reported to company commanding officer

Response by Carol Rose made Mar 12 at 2017 6:25 PM

Carol Rose — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:25:34 -0400

This needs to be stopped immediately with appropriate action.

Response by 2LT Brad Klopp made Mar 12 at 2017 7:09 PM

2LT Brad Klopp — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:09:24 -0400

Couple of things. " End state is the PFC will comply, the senior NCO should maintain his or her military discipline, composure, and professional bearing while providing the proper motivation. Upon completion of the PFC's task, NJP is warranted for insubordination, unprofessional conduct and conduct unbecoming. Since PFC thinks he belongs to some good old boys club and not a member of a team, some remediation training is in order. Some relationship building will be in order to establish authority. In the end it is the E-5's responsibility to ensure that after the dust is settled that he is someone the PFC can go to for essential needs ... ( equipment, training, answers to questions).
We may not like who works for us or who we work for but our mission and objectives are the same. Sometimes new members of the military need a reminder that when bootcamp , and MOS school ends , their responsibilities, jobs, service and careers begin.

Response by SFC SFC (Ret) Denson made Mar 12 at 2017 7:46 PM

SFC SFC (Ret) Denson — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:46:46 -0400

Reward in PUBLIC; Discipline in PRIVATE!
Within 24-72 hours of being assign to my platoon, that new SOLDIER will receive their initial counseling laying out the duties, responsibilities, unit mission and expectations. I had only 3 rules: 1. Do as you're told; 2. Do as you're told and 3. Do as you're told. If you do that, you shouldn't have any problems with me. I'm not going to ask a SOLDIER to do anything that's illegal, unethical and immoral. Before the counseling session ends, the SOLDIER will have an opportunity to voice any concerns and misunderstanding. So when a situation pop up like this, the SOLDIER know the consequences.

Response by 1stSgt Tom McGarry made Mar 12 at 2017 7:55 PM

1stSgt Tom McGarry — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:55:23 -0400

I retired in 1986.....Went to Nam twice...This was an unheard of situation in the military at that time. However faced with the situation I would be toe to toe with the individual about two inches from his face and dare him to touch me so I could Court Martial his ass after I decked him.

Response by MSgt Kenneth Bowman made Mar 12 at 2017 8:51 PM

MSgt Kenneth Bowman — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 20:51:29 -0400

Tell him to be in my office in 10minutes. Everyone else is dismissed to your assigned work. When the E2 reports to my office I have article 15 paperwork for him to sign for failure to follow a lawful order.

Response by Cpl Tom Surdi made Mar 12 at 2017 11:18 PM

Cpl Tom Surdi — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 23:18:51 -0400

I had one of those Terminal Lances tell me to "fuck off" one day during PT. I had only been a Corporal for a few days, but the Plt Sgt told one of the other Corporals to take the rest of the guys onward and Me, my Plt Sgt, our other Sgt and 4 other Corporals ripped the guy up onside and down the other. After we did that my Plt Sgt told me to choose his punishment. I gave him saturday duty for 4 months. I figured messing with 16 of his weekends was enough, and it was, he never ran his mouth to an NCO's face again.

Response by SSG Carrie Lane made Mar 12 at 2017 11:20 PM

SSG Carrie Lane — Sun, 12 Mar 2017 23:20:28 -0400

Have them salute the flag for 2 hours. Then have them do the task that I originally handed out.That is how it was done when I was in.

Response by A1C Michael Abbott made Mar 13 at 2017 12:09 AM

A1C Michael Abbott — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 00:09:35 -0400

Here is the issues, the more pussys in this messed up nation that grow up and think they can go in the military, the more we will see this issue, cause they think they can get things their way. Thus, our nation is screwed either way. We use to put respectable or made respectable gentlemen and women in the military, now we have bratty spoiled children going in and they are skating through without getting broke in. Plain and simple he needs to be court martialed for Article 91 Disobeying a superior. Kick his ass out of the military with a dishonorable discharge, and throw him to the streets. That is what I would do. I would keep my calm, and charge him for violating the UCMJ.

Response by Sgt Kevin Doris made Mar 13 at 2017 1:07 AM

Sgt Kevin Doris — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:07:04 -0400

I would call the E2 into my office and explain the necessity for teamwork on assignments, while he is at attention. Why doesn't want to do the assignment? is he ill, or just being a pain? If its the latter, refer the E2 to your supervisor.

Response by SSgt Johnny Miller made Mar 13 at 2017 1:32 AM

SSgt Johnny Miller — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 01:32:28 -0400

All I can say is that it will not be pretty when I was done with them.

Response by CPL Jeffery Carlton made Mar 13 at 2017 3:14 AM

CPL Jeffery Carlton — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 03:14:41 -0400

tell them that they will do it or they will receive an artical 15

Response by PO1 Thomas Harrison made Mar 13 at 2017 4:19 AM

PO1 Thomas Harrison — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 04:19:52 -0400

I would write him up for insubordination.

Response by AN Scottie Phoenix made Mar 13 at 2017 8:26 AM

AN Scottie Phoenix — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:26:15 -0400

He would never get liberty again until that attitude changed. In the military, off time is optional...not guaranteed.

Response by PO2 Hank Perry made Mar 13 at 2017 10:59 AM

PO2 Hank Perry — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:59:13 -0400

First, he would hear expletives he's never even heard. Then, he would be on the floor so fucking fast his head would spin!

Response by SGT Danny Bazzell made Mar 13 at 2017 12:20 PM

SGT Danny Bazzell — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:20:49 -0400

I had two PV2s in my squad who got into a fight in town early one morning. Of course, I got called into the CSM's office at O'dark thirty and got my ass reamed for not training my troops better. Two days later these two decided not to fall out for morning formation on-time. I went into the barracks and found them sleeping in their bunks (both on top bunks directly across from each other). I yelled for them to fall out and they simply rolled over so I grabbed each mattress and proceeded to drag them mattress and all off the rack and onto the floor into a heap. One jumped up and wanted to take a swing but thought better of it. Those two ended up in a very cold place later that day; monitoring a radio relay station on a mountain top for a week with nothing but their authorized clothing, no personal items, shelter halves, water, C-rats and a Soldiers Manual. They finally and reluctantly got their attitudes adjusted but were eventually transferred out of the unit.

Response by PO2 Dan Shulla made Mar 13 at 2017 12:29 PM

PO2 Dan Shulla — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:29:10 -0400

I suspect it's handled much differently than it would have been dealt with back when I was in...in the 70's that E2 would have had a private training/motivational session with the E-5, behind closed doors

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2017 12:37 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:37:50 -0400

Let him know where he stands and who is in charge here .

Response by SgtMaj Burton Christian made Mar 13 at 2017 1:31 PM

SgtMaj Burton Christian — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:31:13 -0400

Rip his ass out of formation and kick his ass teach him a lesson of respect

Response by SPC David "Hop" Hopkins made Mar 13 at 2017 3:56 PM

SPC David "Hop" Hopkins — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:56:22 -0400

I was in the Army from 81-84 and I saw this occur one time....only one time... The platoon was dismissed and dipshit stayed behind. Sgt came strolling by a little later and dipshit was out cold. NEVER happened again....I had no problem with that. I'm from the old school...if we had a problem...we took care of the problem.

Response by CPL Jeffery Byerley made Mar 13 at 2017 4:05 PM

CPL Jeffery Byerley — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 16:05:18 -0400

make him stand a attention and drop everyone for push ups forever

Response by Sgt Jerold Caldwell made Mar 13 at 2017 5:22 PM

Sgt Jerold Caldwell — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:22:03 -0400

Verbal Reprimand Immediately providing him with the alternatives to his continued misbehaviour.

Response by SGT Jimmy Thompson made Mar 13 at 2017 5:33 PM

SGT Jimmy Thompson — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:33:02 -0400

I had a situation like this once in a multi-service school. I was the Student Platoon Sergeant and a newbie Air Force E-2 openly defied my authority. I ordered him to do push-ups and he had the nerve to say that I couldn't make him. Wrong answer. I grabbed him by his hair, kicked his feet out from under him and began pounding his face into the sidewalk until he decided that it would be wise to obey me. Of course, within 2 hours I found myself in front of the Air Force full bird Colonel who ran the school. He attempted to tell me that I couldn't treat Air Force personell like that. I countered with the fact that UCMJ applies to all service branches, and that I was willing to let the entire thing go as a case of successful wall to wall counselling. Otherwise, he would need to start up the Article 15 process for his dumbass airman, if he wished to press the matter further. That was the end of the matter.

Response by SGT Patrick Williams made Mar 13 at 2017 5:46 PM

SGT Patrick Williams — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:46:08 -0400

You have that shitbag and his squad leader stand by after formation, you smoke the dog shit out of both while explaining to the squad leader that his leadership style sucks ass and that he better unfuck the situation! If it happens again its a beat down!

Response by SGT Sean Van Den Dries made Mar 13 at 2017 8:51 PM

SGT Sean Van Den Dries — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:51:07 -0400

I believe this is a scenario that most E-5 and above encounter at some point. I would have private shit stain stand fast and clear the room. Then I would give him the opportunity to explain his insubordination. Maybe, just maybe, he has something happening personally that has him out of sorts. If no reasonable explanation is forthcoming I would shove a round of WP up his ass and AR15 him. I believe we need to try to remember the human element without allowing that to undermine our authority.

Response by Sgt Christina Biscontin made Mar 13 at 2017 8:51 PM

Sgt Christina Biscontin — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:51:55 -0400

hmm he blatantly refused, lmao skip the LOC(letter of counseling) n go strait to a LOR(Letter of reprimand)! I had to do that once to another female Airman, She was told to report to me the next day in BDU's and instead showed up in dress blues, said she didn't want that training she preferred to work in an office. lmao. so thought if she was in dress blues we wouldn't make her go out into the field for training, I made her do it in her blues!!!

Response by SPC Adrian Thurmond made Mar 13 at 2017 9:27 PM

SPC Adrian Thurmond — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:27:38 -0400

Smoke that ass!!!!

Response by PO3 Michael Blackwell Jr. made Mar 13 at 2017 9:28 PM

PO3 Michael Blackwell Jr. — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:28:37 -0400

I would make an example out of PFC Fucktard and his team leader, in private, which would immediately alert everyone else to what is going on. I would then proceed to make PFC Soup-Sandwich my personal project for the rest of their assignment.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2017 9:50 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:50:36 -0400

P.T. a whole funfest of P.T.

Response by Mike Judd made Mar 13 at 2017 10:29 PM

Mike Judd — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 22:29:05 -0400

Have them all run. After a brisk 5 mile jog make them go into the showers and have them do mountain climbers. Then explain that it's all about the weakest link in the chain. If one starts to rust the others will soon follow. You'll earn respect, and yes they might hate you but they'll hate the incompetent POS more

Response by FA Robin O'Brien made Mar 14 at 2017 12:31 AM

FA Robin O'Brien — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 00:31:43 -0400

Demise the rest of the group. Make them stand there for an hour at attention, go in there and tell him again to do as told. If he refuses again white him up, and give him extra duty. Take away his liberties. And give him more extra duties.

Response by 1SG John Reid made Mar 14 at 2017 4:12 AM

1SG John Reid — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 04:12:38 -0400

You can’t speak at Parade Rest. If you chose to ignore protocol, I would explained the rank structure in the United States Army and how it pertains to you in this particular situation. At this point, reinforcement training (D&C, Customs & Courtiers) may take up some of this PVT’s spare time. If you still didn’t grasp the concept, forfeiture of pay, extra duties and confined to barracks (as outlined by UCMJ). This is not a fucking Democracy.

Response by SGT Philip Klein made Mar 14 at 2017 7:48 AM

SGT Philip Klein — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:48:19 -0400

What the he'll is a senior e-5? Was he smart-mouthin' ya cause you called yourself a senior e-5? Does senior e-5 mean you aren't a junior e-6?

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2017 8:19 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:19:44 -0400

"You're right. This task odd beneath you. On the other hand, the heads/latrine could use anther cleaning. Supplies are in closet. Get to it."

Response by SSG Jack Crook made Mar 14 at 2017 8:58 AM

SSG Jack Crook — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:58:56 -0400

Get up in the privates face, with raised voice tell him he's not at home any more and mommy can't protect him anymore, tell him he will do the task and inform him or her that he or she will get the crap details until they learn to respect their superiors.

Response by SGT Brian Watkins made Mar 14 at 2017 9:13 AM

SGT Brian Watkins — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 09:13:22 -0400

Well, it seems appropriate in this situation to ask the individual to stand fast, take a knee, and talk about their feelings and why they don't want to comply. After all, the military is here for them, not the other way around... In a universe far far away lol.

Response by SPC Bill Wimbley made Mar 14 at 2017 9:58 AM

SPC Bill Wimbley — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 09:58:28 -0400

We would have a "Wall to Wall Counseling" session

Response by SPC Kelley McMahan made Mar 14 at 2017 10:13 AM

SPC Kelley McMahan — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:13:29 -0400

Petty officer; that is gross insubordination and conduct unbecoming and should be dealt with with an Art. 15 at the most and "extra training and motivation" might be just the ticket. Have him dig fighting positions and refill them until they can't lift a shovel. Just my two cents.

Response by CPL Brendan Hayes made Mar 14 at 2017 10:42 AM

CPL Brendan Hayes — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:42:50 -0400

Immediate reaction: "Half right face. Front leaning rest position, move!"

I am of the opinion, and experience, that insubordination needs to be dealt with quickly. You can speak with him about where it was coming from later. Right there and right then you need to be sure that everyone else knows who is really in charge, and it's not the E-2.

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Mar 14 at 2017 10:44 AM

PO2 Weaver Brian — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:44:47 -0400

In my day, he would probably receive some special counseling in the aft 5" magazine. This would be followed by all the worst shit details for the rest of his life, and never giving him a recommendation for advancement to E-3.

Response by SFC Gary Wysocki made Mar 14 at 2017 11:07 AM

SFC Gary Wysocki — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:07:20 -0400

There is only one way to react. Pull him out of formation and send him to the 1sg for Article 15. This namby pamby BS that is our military today needs to be brought under control. They have signed a contract ands sworn an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over them. If they can't do that, then a few more BCD's need to be handed out to show we mean business.

Response by SPC Barbara Henning made Mar 14 at 2017 11:23 AM

SPC Barbara Henning — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:23:09 -0400

Being a veteran, I never disrespected my sergeants. I looked to them for guidance. I would have smoked the crap out of the E2 so he will remember his place!

Response by CPO Tim McFeely made Mar 14 at 2017 11:40 AM

CPO Tim McFeely — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:40:59 -0400

I was a submarine qualified Second Class Petty Officer (E5) and handing out after dinner cleaning assignments on an inport duty night when a unqualified E4 complained about his assignment. He then tried to pull "it's a black" thing, when I pointed to my arm and said no "it a rank" thing. The nonqual did eventually spend 5 minutes emptying the trash which was his assignment (all 3 trash cans). The next morning I approached a black chief we had onboard and explained the insubordination and the race issue. He responded he would take care of it of the race issue as I had already dealt with the failure to clean. Never had an issue again and the sailor was eventually shit canned from subs because of attitude.

Response by LTC Jesse Edwards made Mar 14 at 2017 1:39 PM

LTC Jesse Edwards — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:39:28 -0400

I don't know. I had great NCOs that handled that stuff for me. I'd listen to what they needed from me by way of support had that happened to them.
As a platoon leader, I had a former ROK Soldier who was an E5, last name Bunner. He had an issue and my platoon sergeant asked me to leave the area for an hour so they could deal with it.
That PV2 was never a problem after that and actually started to move from being a dirt bag to being someone with potential.

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Mar 14 at 2017 2:06 PM

SGT Tim Fridley — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:06:08 -0400

First off had I been the senior E-5 that young PVT. would be in a world of hurt. That being said the situation needs to be made clearer. Was the E-5 the immediate supervisor or squad leader platoon SGT. ect? Where did PVT. Snuffy come from another unit another section/squad ect? Finally had this conduct happen before and not dealt with?

Response by PO1 Joseph Glennon made Mar 14 at 2017 2:53 PM

PO1 Joseph Glennon — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:53:48 -0400

"That's your job. There will be others after you do it. You will not cross the quarterdeck until you complete the job."

In the Navy, aboard a ship, only the CO (commanding officer) could restrict someone to the ship; however, his seniors could assign a reasonable task, and forbid him to leave the ship before the task is completed.

*If* he leaves the ship before it's done, then you've got an instance of UA (AWOL) in addition to the charges of disrespect, dereliction of duty, disobeying, etc. When you send him/her to Captain's Mast (NJP), you've got a bevy of charges sitting on the Skipper's podium - all stemming from one instance of attempted badassery at quarters.

Response by Sgt David Filkins made Mar 14 at 2017 3:09 PM

Sgt David Filkins — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:09:53 -0400

I believe he/she would be pushing the floor for long weekend duty.

Response by SPC Robert Wilson made Mar 14 at 2017 4:41 PM

SPC Robert Wilson — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:41:23 -0400

First, pvt Shitbird would be pushing until he reached China, after his Article 15 he'd be on every shit detail I could find, I'd be his nemesis for as long as he was assigned to be.

Response by SCPO Perro Viejo made Mar 14 at 2017 4:44 PM

SCPO Perro Viejo — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 16:44:17 -0400

It happened a few times. My main response was to ask what was the main problem, did you misunderstand or do you just not want to? A few times I actually got an honest answer of "I don't want to and you can't make me".... I smiled a little smile and very softly answered....."You're right smooth....I can't MAKE you do anything. But......(face closer)....I can damn sure make you wish you HAD! Five seconds, your choice.....NOW!

Response by Cpl Donald Pelkey made Mar 14 at 2017 5:48 PM

Cpl Donald Pelkey — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:48:25 -0400

when I was in he would do it or get his butt kicked.I was in in 1965 usmc for 4 years 2 years in nam .where doing what you are told counts.you give an order it is to carried out no question.but now days it is differant I think .they get the chance to mouth of to you and you are not suppose to touch them.I do not think I could take the new way

Response by CPL Maurice Myrick made Mar 14 at 2017 5:51 PM

CPL Maurice Myrick — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:51:32 -0400

Smoke they ass

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2017 6:17 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:17:47 -0400

at that point he is directly refusing an order from an NCO and I would in your position, (which i'm not i'm just a dumb E2 with less than a year in) either smoke the dog pi** out of him or hit him with a negative counseling depending on how many times he has done this. At least that is what it would be like here.

Response by SSG Eddye Royal made Mar 14 at 2017 6:19 PM

SSG Eddye Royal — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:19:01 -0400

Calmly, have your write up; and information enfront of your platoon SGT E-6; if available, or the next NCOIC.

Available; next jobs; Battalion - Lawn, KP, once you speak to your Chain of Command; to see if this available.

Response by SSG Eddye Royal made Mar 14 at 2017 6:22 PM

SSG Eddye Royal — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:22:38 -0400

BTW, since this person is just E-2, clean Barracks, forgot Basics Training & AIT, ethics, needs a re-fresher course; nothing he or she hasn't had before.

Response by Cpl James Moody made Mar 14 at 2017 6:27 PM

Cpl James Moody — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:27:11 -0400

Simple enough, I will see him, his fireteam leader, and squad leader after formation. There will be a new asshole handed out to this new bag of ass, in which he will hold onto until I am finished PTing the old dumbass off of him. Which I'm sure would result in the casualties in this situation will be more than willing to take their turn teaching this young E-2 just how bad life can truly be if that is his wish.

Response by MSgt James Helton made Mar 14 at 2017 7:19 PM

MSgt James Helton — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:19:08 -0400

Back in my day this would have gotten the E2 a whole world of hurt from the rest of the squad after they all pulled some really nasty duties.

Response by PO2 Larry Cruz made Mar 14 at 2017 7:48 PM

PO2 Larry Cruz — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:48:29 -0400

Chain of Command has to be notified of the E-2s actions, if he, or she is refusing to follow orders, it
stands to reason that anything you say to them is going to be ignored, hence possible Captains Mast!

Response by PO2 Larry Cruz made Mar 14 at 2017 7:54 PM

PO2 Larry Cruz — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:54:08 -0400

I wish my answer was different, but in this Touchy Feely Damn World were everybody get's butt hurt
over everything, the Rules have unfortunately changed for the worst in my opinion, my first choice would have been to put a boot in there ass and make them pull twice the duty they were given!

Response by Capt Michael Swinehart made Mar 14 at 2017 8:18 PM

Capt Michael Swinehart — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:18:08 -0400

If you are a senior E5 Marine and you don't know what to do...perhaps you should switch jobs with the Grunt

Response by Sgt Thomas Hayes made Mar 14 at 2017 9:34 PM

Sgt Thomas Hayes — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:34:11 -0400

That's fine son. We'll move that down to your second assignment. Keep it in your pocket. After I dismiss these fine men, your first assignment will be to report with me to the first Sargent to be reassigned. You're outa here.
Turn and ask, anyone else have a problem?

Response by SFC Gary Stanfill made Mar 14 at 2017 10:46 PM

SFC Gary Stanfill — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:46:48 -0400

Let my pen do the talking....

Response by SGT Jonathan Smith made Mar 14 at 2017 10:55 PM

SGT Jonathan Smith — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:55:48 -0400

Release all except him and take him to the sawdust pit for corrective action. After 15 minutes, it will correct the problem fast.

Response by SPC Craig Abram made Mar 14 at 2017 11:22 PM

SPC Craig Abram — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 23:22:02 -0400

I was a seasoned E4 Specialist, numerous Bradley Gunnerys, Border Tours at OP Alpha and time with Recce Troop Blues and Royals Squadron Her Majesty's Royal Army.... on a early Sat morning aN NCO came into my barracks room woke us up and told us to "look alive, our Country needs you"... i responded "aww come on Sarge its a big Country, cant you find someone else......" not only did he not think my joke was funny he lit me up..... so a shitbird E2 with no time in nothing needs to be severely disciplined!!! especially since he had the balls and disrespect to do it in formation......

Response by TSgt Dianna Sullins made Mar 15 at 2017 1:26 AM

TSgt Dianna Sullins — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 01:26:05 -0400

Decide they would rather do PT all day and assign them that.

Response by Bill Kim made Mar 15 at 2017 2:00 AM

Bill Kim — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 02:00:32 -0400

Hand him or her the Sunday employment ads, inform them the military is not for them and then smash them in the face with a fucking boot. Oh, wait, this is a kinder, gentler, lamer military... uhhhh then escort them to the commander and begin the process of administrative discharge.

Response by Michael Orama made Mar 15 at 2017 4:34 AM

Michael Orama — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 04:34:54 -0400

Smoke the whole squad. Twice. If one person messes up, you all mess up. The military is not a place for an "Individual". Everything that you do will take some sort of team effort, and that starts from the moment you step off the bus and meet your battle buddy. Point blank, if you are lower ranking then someone, you have no reason to open your mouth unless it's to say "Yes sir", "No sir", or to be kissing ass. I'm not myself in the military, only a JROTC cadet, but even in my school my Colonel and Master Sargent believe in and practice the same. This isn't high school anymore, no one cares about your feelings. You made a decision to be there, so deal with your own problems on your own time.

Response by Randy Plaisted made Mar 15 at 2017 7:31 AM

Randy Plaisted — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 07:31:07 -0400

Put him in a push up position and tell him to stay there till I was done lol

Response by SGT Paul Mussatto made Mar 15 at 2017 9:48 AM

SGT Paul Mussatto — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:48:56 -0400

Me: Front leaning rest position, move, E2 Shit-for-brains does not want to follow his order. You will do pushups till I get tired of counting! I can count for a long time, with out tiring. Four count push up position move, one two three four, one, one two three four, two....! Platoon leader, you and the rest of the platoon will need to explain to E2 Shit-for-brains why he will follow orders without hesitation and without question, is that clear? One two three four, twenty,...! If not, they have a fine place to rest at Ft. Leavenworth for E2 Shit-for-brains to fulfill his obligation to Uncle Sam!

Response by Timothy Gaynor made Mar 15 at 2017 10:32 AM

Timothy Gaynor — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:32:51 -0400

I say 5 across the eyes n calmly ask again..bet u get a different answer

Response by MSgt Bill Techert made Mar 15 at 2017 10:33 AM

MSgt Bill Techert — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:33:49 -0400

Having serve3d two posting at a minimum custody detention center we had to deal with young men that had attitude problems with authority. It was difficult to discipline as they were in basic but sometimes that is all they understand. I found that when you break a young "tough" guy down to tears you have reached the level where he becomes aware of his actions and his responsibility. I am proud to say that all I the young men I was assigned to train successfully completed the course and went on to serve out the remainder of their enlistment.

Response by CMSgt Don Staflin made Mar 15 at 2017 11:41 AM

CMSgt Don Staflin — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:41:54 -0400

Don't have all the variables. For example ... is this normal behavior for this E2. If not ... first look to understand the behavior first. If it is ... I'm good with a throat punch

Response by SPC Luis Valdez made Mar 15 at 2017 12:12 PM

SPC Luis Valdez — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:12:37 -0400

LOL this is retarded drill sergeant Larry would be turning in his grave right now my drill sergeant got killed in action in 2007 in city of Baghdad Iraq drill sergeant Larry taught me to keep my mouth shut and follow orders because you never know if by your disobedience and my beer last mission you follow orders from people who have been there longer who are wiser than you that's why they are there that's where the military has instructed them to teach us young recruits what to do and what not to do when you disobey a drill sergeant or an NCO you should be punished regardless if you would consider it to be tortured it's not it's only for your own good "suck it up change your socks Pop a Motrin drink some water and shut the fuck up" DS.SFC.LOWREY FT.SILL OK.

Response by CPO Bill Canada made Mar 15 at 2017 1:19 PM

CPO Bill Canada — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:19:28 -0400

Back in the day they would end up with every shit job I could dream up and liberty was in real short supply for them.

Response by SFC Brian Gillum made Mar 15 at 2017 1:41 PM

SFC Brian Gillum — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:41:49 -0400

While Wall to Wall counseling is probably in this lost souls near future (though highly frowned upon), one should have the offended party stand fast while all others are dismissed to complete their tasks. The aggrieved one is then escorted to the appropriate location to do the standard talking form of counseling with written documentation of what was discussed and how this behavior WILL be corrected ASAP; what steps will be taken to ensure it is corrected, and if necessary how to handle whatever life event(s) are causing this breakdown in military bearing and custom.

Then give the Private an opportunity to do or do not. And if the task isn't completed or is done so half ass that the entire chain of command up to garrison is now hunting you...well, have fun with that.

Response by SP5 Patrick Conway made Mar 15 at 2017 1:45 PM

SP5 Patrick Conway — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:45:48 -0400

when I was in the Army that would be a kick in the ass and two weeks K P

Response by FN Lawerance Degenstein made Mar 15 at 2017 1:53 PM

FN Lawerance Degenstein — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:53:16 -0400

BACK HAND

Response by Cadet PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2017 1:56 PM

Cadet PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:56:03 -0400

Front lean and rest until he can't hold himself up anymore, then tell him to keep going

Response by Cpl Ericf Reynolds made Mar 15 at 2017 4:18 PM

Cpl Ericf Reynolds — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:18:12 -0400

Well when i wass a boot a swift chop to the throat did it. I understand no can be assaulted but my parents whooped my ass i turnt out good

Response by SPC Jeffrey Ricker made Mar 15 at 2017 4:19 PM

SPC Jeffrey Ricker — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:19:36 -0400

This must be dealt with quickly. While some say handle it in private, I can tell you from experience, nothing corrects this faster than punishing the whole squad. Team leader in front with the whole squad in the front leading rest position for awhile while the E2 looks on. Yes it will be corrected that night during lights out.

Response by Jason Easterman made Mar 15 at 2017 5:01 PM

Jason Easterman — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:01:57 -0400

That's insubordination! 500 pushups, clean the latrines for a month, extra guard duty, KP, run around the base until you rack up 20 miles. If insubordination persists, in the brig, bread and water rations, make the the company do the extra duty and turn my head when the blanket parties happen. There has to be discipline. In the Korean ROCS, they shoot insubordinate enlisted in the head while in formation in the open and don't blink twice. The United States is horribly soft and practically invites insubordinate enlisted to the officer's mess to have a cocktail and watch a little HBO as administrative punishment lest their feelings get hurt and CNN covers those hurt feelings for five weeks between derailing Donald Trump and railroading the base CO for being too hard on his soldiers by not allowing the offending troop to also watch Starz!

Response by PO2 Paul Cordova made Mar 15 at 2017 5:07 PM

PO2 Paul Cordova — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:07:04 -0400

I can't imagine either having refused or being refused. It isn't a request.

Response by SP5 Cisco Major made Mar 15 at 2017 5:16 PM

SP5 Cisco Major — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:16:43 -0400

I have always loved scenarios like this. See I think the E2 just needs to learn military order; this is what I did to my E2 since we are all grown men right? E2 you have KP every other day when you are not on KP you will be on Guard duty, when you are not on guard duty you will be rear road guard, when you are not on rear road guard you will be on CQ and staff duty runner and your leave has been denied. Anything you don't want E2? SGT Major

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Mar 15 at 2017 5:49 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:49:14 -0400

Well I know how it would have been handled in 1970...after the dirt bag returned from sick call the task would still be waiting for him!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2017 6:14 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:14:02 -0400

Being im an E2 and knowing my company id probably get my ass whooped if that was me he nerds to learn respect

Response by PO1 Margie Garlick made Mar 15 at 2017 7:01 PM

PO1 Margie Garlick — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:01:01 -0400

On a Carrier with lots of senior E5 and E6 buddies this is easy. Take the young lad aside and inform him he can be farmed out to a division with really nasty dirty jobs they would love to pass on to smart mouth punks. If he doesn't believe you he can ask the others and get back to you. Clean one bulge or snake one drain that job will look real good.

Response by SSG Will Bryant made Mar 15 at 2017 7:03 PM

SSG Will Bryant — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:03:47 -0400

When I was in basic, 1989, Fort Benning, we had three guys first week that decided they'd screwed up and didn't want to be in the Army. So they told Drill they weren't doing no push ups.
Battalion CO posted the Field Grade Article 15s for them for us to look at all through basic.
When we were out processing Benning to go to our 1st units they were just out of the stockade & 3 months no pay & 3 months hard labor and getting processed out of the Army just like they wanted.
A lesson still with me 30 years later.

Response by PO3 Brian Reid made Mar 15 at 2017 7:22 PM

PO3 Brian Reid — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:22:36 -0400

Back in my day, we would have handled this a bit different than the "acceptable" way today. Disobeying a direct order from a superior should NEVER be tolerated, especially with other troops/sailors in attendance. He would be taken to a superior, he would receive EMI, he would be written up. Junior and I would have a serious come to Jesus meeting and would be forewarned that if behavior like this were to continue, he may just get busted back to his MEPS Station. Then, if he ever got off of restriction, he had better hope I didn't see him off base.

Response by CPL David Fosket made Mar 15 at 2017 7:40 PM

CPL David Fosket — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 19:40:09 -0400

You would them for a walk and give them a readjustment attitude!!!!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 15 at 2017 8:27 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:27:49 -0400

I don't like to dirty up someones record, he might be your best troop two years from now. Apparently he needs structure and won't find it while he has an audience. Isolate him/her

Response by Philly Robertson made Mar 15 at 2017 8:30 PM

Philly Robertson — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:30:44 -0400

Write extra pt

Response by Philly Robertson made Mar 15 at 2017 8:31 PM

Philly Robertson — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:31:37 -0400

Give a direct order if not followed. follow the hand book

Response by SSG Bill McLaughlin made Mar 15 at 2017 9:41 PM

SSG Bill McLaughlin — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:41:02 -0400

Had a similar situation back in '92, had to make an example out a one disrespectful SPC. Even after several counseling sessions, was forced to 'cut our losses'and have one chartered out and all the rest feel in line. Turned out to become one of the better groups in the unit

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2017 10:03 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:03:05 -0400

Private _________ you are ordered to ( whatever he assignment he was given), then give out the rest of the assignments and dismiss them. Then just follow up and check if he/she did it. What's the problem? He/she was given a direct and lawful order. The order was either obeyed or disobeyed. If it wasn't then you write them up. What happens after that is up to company 1st Sgt and CO. It hasnothing to do with you after that. They will decide what to do and let you (and he/she) know what is going on. Am I missing something?

Response by SP5 Jan Thompson made Mar 15 at 2017 10:07 PM

SP5 Jan Thompson — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:07:33 -0400

Full pack 10 mile run night run for everyone. Let them straighten him out.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2017 10:52 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 22:52:35 -0400

personally speaking when I was an E2 I would bitch but never to the command and I would suck it up. Now what should be done. Grab your battles smoke his ass until he can't move. Then give him some fancy paperwork for being a smart ass punk

Response by SSgt Kent Vickery made Mar 15 at 2017 11:45 PM

SSgt Kent Vickery — Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:45:39 -0400

I was an E4 working on my helicopter when a fresh E2 walked up. I told him to hand me a wrench. He told me that he didn't work for me. I then stopped looked him in the eye and said "first things first,hand me the wrench. Then we will fix the other problem". After finishing the task at hand I told him to follow me. We walked into the maintenance chiefs office. Chief looked up and said "hey Vic what's up". I said this guy is mine. Cheif says ok he belongs to you. I turn looked the new guy in the eye and said now you work for me. Never had a bit of problems with him after that. Turned out to be a good troop.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2017 1:00 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:00:27 -0400

I would tell them either do as I tell you or they will get wrote up with a rank reduction and extra duty

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2017 1:11 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 01:11:18 -0400

Wall to wall counseling? I didn't see or hear anything. LOL

Response by CPL Robert Guthrie made Mar 16 at 2017 9:57 AM

CPL Robert Guthrie — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:57:01 -0400

When you are given an order you follow it. When a simple order like this is challenged it is a red flag. We k ow as service men and women past or present that we can be ordered to do borrible things. During the course of carrying out those orders it may result in our death, but we except that. So if your not ready to except that and follow orders big or small then you have no business in the military because when your put to the test you will fail and may cost you your life or the lives of your brothers and sisters. AATW

Response by SP6 Glen Morales made Mar 16 at 2017 12:36 PM

SP6 Glen Morales — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:36:59 -0400

PT him or her till their legs and arms fell off them if that didn't work take him out back teach him the meaning of respect

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Mar 16 at 2017 1:27 PM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:27:11 -0400

Let me simply say it would be the LAST time he/she did it! I can think of a few dozen ways to do this, but perhaps my favorite one would be to leave them standing at attention until they collapsed (while I was busy with the CO doing up papers on them.)

Response by SSG Steve Finlan made Mar 16 at 2017 2:52 PM

SSG Steve Finlan — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:52:09 -0400

[ Moment of "Calm Before The Storm" silence ]... "Platoon (squad, detachment, whatever) .. att-TEN-SHUN! Private Snuffy, who's your battle buddy/roommate?"
"uh... Simmons, Sergeant?"
" Private Simmons. You have YOUR task, and Boy Wonder's task now."
"Yes, Sergeant." [mutters]
"Private Snuffy: stand fast. All others: FALL OUT!"
[ another moment of silence ... or three.. or five.. ]
"Private Snuffy, stand at ease. You have an attitude problem, and it is my job to adjust that. So, you find yourself faced with options. Your first option is, learn to stop running your suck, and learn your left and right boundaries. There is a pecking order. You are at the bottom of it. There are regulations for a reason. You will learn this. FM 7-21 is your new best friend. You will find a copy, or you will download it to your phone. I don't care. You will read it. You will provide me with a report, no more than five pages, no less than three pages, on the duties, responsibilities, and authorities of a soldier. You have 48 hours to comply. You will have said FM with you at ALL TIMES until otherwise directed. Hooah? You also just got yourself gate guard for tonight. Report to the CQ at 1800 in the proper uniform. Or, your second option: I put you in front of the CO for a company grade Article 15 right now. Your choice."
"I think I'll take the report, Sergeant..."
"THINK?"
"I'll take the report, Sergeant."
"Out F**ing Standing. Atten-shun! Go link up with your squad. Unass my AO. MOVE."

Response by PO3 Kenneth Ray made Mar 16 at 2017 2:59 PM

PO3 Kenneth Ray — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:59:11 -0400

PT AND EXTRA DUTIES EVERY DAY UNTIL THE ERA OF HIS WAYS BECOME CLEAR !! IF THAT FAILS, BRIG UNTIL ENLISTMENT IS UP !!

Response by SPC Kevin Kovacs made Mar 16 at 2017 3:18 PM

SPC Kevin Kovacs — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:18:47 -0400

Smoke that private!!!

Response by SSG Jonathan Coyne made Mar 16 at 2017 3:35 PM

SSG Jonathan Coyne — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:35:36 -0400

Pushups until "I" get tired

Response by Caleb Jean made Mar 16 at 2017 3:58 PM

Caleb Jean — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:58:40 -0400

Smack him or her across the ungrateful face. It's a honor to serve and be given the opportunity to protect this great nation and be a member of the greatest institution the world knows. United States military.

Response by PO3 Lori Bennett made Mar 16 at 2017 4:44 PM

PO3 Lori Bennett — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:44:17 -0400

You have to punish the entire unit. We were torn down to be built back up as a team in bootcamp. You cannot allow this behavior, or the whole team is screwed on enemy lines.

Response by Jerry Metker Jr. made Mar 16 at 2017 5:24 PM

Jerry Metker Jr. — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:24:41 -0400

New recruits MUST be taught to follow orders. The majority of young people have not had the docipline growing up that many of us older people had. They have to be taught very quickly, that back talking and complaining amd desrespect of a your leaders will not be tolerated!
My brother was punished for eating one donut while on mess duty...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2017 5:49 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:49:07 -0400

Smoke them and make an example of them. Then if they continue, put it on paper.

Response by SGT Chris Hill made Mar 16 at 2017 6:30 PM

SGT Chris Hill — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:30:43 -0400

I would have give him the biggest lifetime embarrassment in front of all his comrades by verbally destroying his soul. I would have made him do the stupidest possible things my mind could create.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made Mar 16 at 2017 6:31 PM

MSG Michael McEleney — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:31:44 -0400

Make him/her an E-1

Response by Cpl Jackie Gisclar made Mar 16 at 2017 7:05 PM

Cpl Jackie Gisclar — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:05:08 -0400

Would dismiss everyone except the E2, then I would get Real Close to him and let him know who was in Command! He then would also Not have Liberty for a Week.........Next time it would be Office Hours with the CO!

Response by PO3 John Mchale made Mar 16 at 2017 8:20 PM

PO3 John Mchale — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:20:52 -0400

disapline

Response by Cpl William Taylor made Mar 16 at 2017 8:49 PM

Cpl William Taylor — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:49:31 -0400

Give him a direct order, then inform him he will be facing charges for disobedience of a direct order and conduct unbecoming of a Marine.

Response by SPC Randy Johnson made Mar 16 at 2017 8:55 PM

SPC Randy Johnson — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 20:55:17 -0400

If a lower ranked soldier backtalk a Sargent while I was in they got smoked on the spot.

Response by SGT Eric Schwartz made Mar 16 at 2017 9:03 PM

SGT Eric Schwartz — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:03:51 -0400

Drop and give me 50

Response by PO2 Paul Kellerman made Mar 16 at 2017 9:06 PM

PO2 Paul Kellerman — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:06:28 -0400

put him on report and make life intolerable for him

Response by GySgt Clayton Chidester made Mar 16 at 2017 9:46 PM

GySgt Clayton Chidester — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:46:51 -0400

What happened to an simple order of " Get into the front leaning rest position and stay there until I get tired of looking at you"

Response by HN Rich Perkins made Mar 16 at 2017 10:15 PM

HN Rich Perkins — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:15:57 -0400

about face to entire group of men standing there with the exception of the E2 and then punch the E2 in the throat or whatever is needed as an Attention Getter

Response by Maj Willi j Corcoran made Mar 16 at 2017 10:23 PM

Maj Willi j Corcoran — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:23:33 -0400

Seems to me like a clear cut case of insubordination. In today's world of political correctness and God forbid we use bad language or scream at the scumbag, the best thing to do is ask him if he was serious, or make sure he understood what you were asking of him and if he remains defiant write him up for insubordination. Let the company commander jack him up, take som pay, put him on restriction. This kind of stuff cannot be tolerated even in today's PC military.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2017 10:31 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:31:39 -0400

Its simple, dismiss everyone else. Take his assignment and give it to his team leader. Take that soldier and give him his new assignments. First pick up every cigerette but in the battalion. Second, dig a fighting hole for each member in his squad. Third recite every general order, last but not least, my personal favorite. Clean every weapon in the arms room to standard. In otherwards, every shit detail that comes out. Put him on it.

Response by SP5 Randall Livingston made Mar 16 at 2017 10:31 PM

SP5 Randall Livingston — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:31:53 -0400

Immediately stand the Pvt. at attention, call for MP, and hold the Pvt (at attention ) till the arrive. Request a dereliction of duty for failure to act on a lawful order.

Response by CPO Barry Duncan made Mar 16 at 2017 10:33 PM

CPO Barry Duncan — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:33:12 -0400

Address troops " well ladies PFC Smart Ass thinks this assignment is below him so all of you maggots will assist him in his assignment, followed by a full gear 5 mile stroll in thru the woods, then we'll all settle down for a nice personnel and barracks inspection. If were finished with that in time you can all eat lunch. Then we'll ask PFC smart ass how he would like to spend his afternoon?

Response by SSgt Michael Bailey made Mar 17 at 2017 12:11 AM

SSgt Michael Bailey — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:11:00 -0400

The fact you need to ask that question is a question about your leadership ability as an "E-5."

Response by LCpl Frank Chavez made Mar 17 at 2017 3:02 AM

LCpl Frank Chavez — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 03:02:32 -0400

the whole platoon gets punished.. all on PFC maggot

Response by PFC Christopher Comer made Mar 17 at 2017 8:16 AM

PFC Christopher Comer — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 08:16:05 -0400

APFT "practice" for the next several hours, until the E2 figures out that the next step is 2 months extra duty, at half pay ...

Response by PO2 Enrique Lopez made Mar 17 at 2017 12:32 PM

PO2 Enrique Lopez — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:32:42 -0400

RIP him a new ass. He is testing you

Response by MSgt Charles Hull made Mar 17 at 2017 1:06 PM

MSgt Charles Hull — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:06:19 -0400

Can't really respond to this...during my time, conversations were 'one way' with bust, brig / corrections, and boot out as back ups.....the 'social experiments' within our military of today would have been a very early end to my career.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2017 1:21 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:21:51 -0400

Smoke until there is dust in the air! Keep your mouth shut and follow. No individuals allow or GTFOUT!

Response by SPC Eric Zimmerer made Mar 17 at 2017 3:13 PM

SPC Eric Zimmerer — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:13:05 -0400

DS would have knock me on my ass, then PT'd the whole platoon so I got a soap party later that night

Response by SPC Timothy Frank made Mar 17 at 2017 7:09 PM

SPC Timothy Frank — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:09:58 -0400

Make a public example of him.

Response by SFC William Brown made Mar 17 at 2017 7:20 PM

SFC William Brown — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:20:37 -0400

Tell the pvt look the 1st sgt told the platoon sgt ,the platoon sgt told me,and now i'm telling you,now you do your damn job as ordered,or when me and the Army are through with you .you will do your job as ordered. Then carry through.

Response by SSG Calvin Newsome made Mar 17 at 2017 8:47 PM

SSG Calvin Newsome — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:47:25 -0400

I would have to let him know who is in charge

Response by Mark York made Mar 17 at 2017 8:50 PM

Mark York — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:50:42 -0400

Push Ups after he has been disabled.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2017 8:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:55:16 -0400

First of all he has no right to open his mouth in formation and if he so defiantly says he won't do the job he should get his ass whipped and more responsibility should be place upon him and if it isn't done within a certain time period he should get an article 13 to begin with and id he is still defiant then he should be areseted and shoved into the guardhouse for an undetermined length of time.

Response by CPL John Wind made Mar 17 at 2017 9:38 PM

CPL John Wind — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:38:20 -0400

first I would repeat myself to the private and if he said that I again I would take him to the first sgt and have him expain to him the rules are meant to be followed

Response by SPC Ron Rubalcaba made Mar 17 at 2017 9:40 PM

SPC Ron Rubalcaba — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:40:16 -0400

smack the shit out of the asshole!

Response by MSG Merry Withers made Mar 17 at 2017 10:45 PM

MSG Merry Withers — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 22:45:41 -0400

As a female I found that the pen is as if not mightier than the sword. I would have to take corrective verbal action immediately so as the cancer could not spread or get out of control. Extra duty right away and counseling later to recommend an ART 15. Men are never afraid of women but you can rip them up with using physical management

Response by PV2 Michael Benge made Mar 18 at 2017 1:34 AM

PV2 Michael Benge — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 01:34:40 -0400

He messes up everyone messes up! Attention to Detail, Teamwork is the key! Shut him up and shut him up quick if they were like they were on us in Fort Knox! Saw dust pit for hours then the half mile around track with up and down hills right behind it! Yeah, Battle would have to shut up!

Response by SGT Arthur Larson made Mar 18 at 2017 4:35 AM

SGT Arthur Larson — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 04:35:07 -0400

Oh I'd gladly give it to someone else to do. Then I'd task this arrogant E2 with something much more "engaging" to do.

Response by Chris Haskin made Mar 18 at 2017 10:25 AM

Chris Haskin — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:25:31 -0400

exactly the same way

Response by SPC David Vice made Mar 18 at 2017 10:55 AM

SPC David Vice — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:55:31 -0400

Although I have never been an E5... I have actually been in this situation.... i was a stupid cocky little E3 and my E6 told me to do something that was just in better words point less to do... and i told him that what he told me to was stupid and that I was not doing it..... 3 hours later after the room was covered in my sweat i learned my lesson and never questioned a SGT again...

Response by Travis Eubanks made Mar 18 at 2017 11:53 AM

Travis Eubanks — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 11:53:46 -0400

Put him in check and let him know what time it is.. Now he gets the job of a smart smooth

Response by Cpl Jim Adkins made Mar 18 at 2017 1:22 PM

Cpl Jim Adkins — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 13:22:23 -0400

I would have this marine stand by while the rest of the formation turned to and were dismissed, then this young man would sweat, and while he was swrating i would reitterate the importance of the chain of command and carrying out orders of the marines appointed above them. once convinced the young marine understsnds i would again give him the work assignment if he follows as instructed, i would let him off with weekend dutie for a month. if not then NJP his ass

Response by CPO Larry Shedden made Mar 18 at 2017 3:01 PM

CPO Larry Shedden — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:01:52 -0400

Choke the shit out of him

Response by SGT Brent Shires made Mar 18 at 2017 4:45 PM

SGT Brent Shires — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:45:28 -0400

tell Pvt. he at attention and shut his pie hole.

Response by SP5 David McCulloch made Mar 18 at 2017 4:50 PM

SP5 David McCulloch — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:50:38 -0400

Ask them what they thought they signed up for, and inform them they are being insubordinate. Should they chose to not do the assigned duty they WILL be assigned some thing much worse. With Continued insubordination I would take the recruit out of the barracks along with his fellow privates and make them all perform some physical training, just like back in basic. Should peer pressure not be enough. He can find himself in detention with MPs and be given his Dishonorable discharge with speed.

Response by Cpl Rory Mellgren made Mar 18 at 2017 6:31 PM

Cpl Rory Mellgren — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:31:50 -0400

This Happened to me I was a E4 and was giving a E2 a job and he told me no he would not I brought him up on charges

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Mar 18 at 2017 6:54 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:54:14 -0400

once upon a time the Bosun's Hole (a storeroom for deck related supplies) was operated by a Torpedoman's Mate named Tiny. He certainly was not Tiny in stature. If you were a problem child on of the Petty Officers would send you to see Tiny. If you needed some specialized tool you were send to see Tiny. The difference was in the delivery...of you were sent there for a tool when Tiny asked you needed you got the appropriate tool. If your answer was "Boats sent me to talk to you the thing you saw was the overhead lights cause Tiny was very fast.

Response by SPC William Geary made Mar 18 at 2017 6:58 PM

SPC William Geary — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:58:18 -0400

Smoke the living crap out of him.

Response by SGM Ray Whitaker made Mar 18 at 2017 8:24 PM

SGM Ray Whitaker — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:24:43 -0400

Give them an inch, they will take a mile. Following orders is an inherent duty. There are plenty of ways to ensure compliance. If they are doing it for a task this simple it will get worse when in stressful situations.

Response by PVT John Simon made Mar 18 at 2017 8:53 PM

PVT John Simon — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:53:04 -0400

An order is an order, and is that a Brown Round???? This look more like an updated Boot barracks than my base housing...... Either way, You Follow Orders...

Response by CPT Kenneth Burrows made Mar 18 at 2017 9:06 PM

CPT Kenneth Burrows — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 21:06:31 -0400

In the old Army, the Nco would invite the trooper out back and beat some sense into him.

Response by Thomas Jones made Mar 18 at 2017 9:09 PM

Thomas Jones — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 21:09:56 -0400

LOL I am not in the Military and have never been but I do support you and everything you do. As an older man, I truly regret not serving. That being said, as someone that only worked in the civilian market, I will compare this with life in the civilian sector. Frankly i have had this happen to me as well, in there. My response was, "Get OUT!". If I had had the authority to put them in jail, I might have! LOL As a manager of civilians, I more often got "That is not my job.". I respectfully informed them that their job is whatever the hell I tell them to do! I assume it is much the same in the service! The good news is that you can bring them up on charges for insubordination, and all I could do was fire them!

Response by SPC John Pacian made Mar 18 at 2017 9:12 PM

SPC John Pacian — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 21:12:41 -0400

Smack upside the head.

Response by Gail Higgins made Mar 18 at 2017 9:56 PM

Gail Higgins — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 21:56:59 -0400

S you need to establish your leadership or your all done,what ever it takes within reason,or not.

Response by Joe Rybicki made Mar 18 at 2017 10:04 PM

Joe Rybicki — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 22:04:14 -0400

WELL HE HAS ONE TIME TO SAY NO ,THEN I WOULD TELL HIM TO PACK HE SHIT OR DO WHAT I SAD

Response by SP6 David Alexander made Mar 18 at 2017 11:21 PM

SP6 David Alexander — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:21:29 -0400

I'm too behind the times. This was a no call in the early '70s but the military changed and in the late '80's on forward, you couldn't do the same. Now ,what I would do then, would get you busted. It depends on your time frame. So, how do you answer this?

Response by CPL Salvator Wendling made Mar 18 at 2017 11:30 PM

CPL Salvator Wendling — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:30:34 -0400

Immediately smoke the shit out of him. It must be made clear not just to him, but to the whole team, that insubordination will not be tolerated.

Response by SSG Jerry Owens made Mar 18 at 2017 11:48 PM

SSG Jerry Owens — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:48:16 -0400

In my time it would have been some wall to wall counseling. I remember mouthing off to my DI and MCRD SD and I came to seeing nice pair of boots. Time has change. I learn to keep my mouth shout and say yes sir, Need less to say it did something right. I retire with 24 years. These kids just don't care they are in for the money and the time to get help with school.

Response by SPC Scott Schmader made Mar 18 at 2017 11:51 PM

SPC Scott Schmader — Sat, 18 Mar 2017 23:51:58 -0400

Totally unacceptable.. He/she would be standing before the man. Insubordination should not be tolerated period.
If you let just one walk over you, it shows weakness. Pfc would be stripping wax, and buffing a lot of floors.

Response by SPC James Atwell made Mar 19 at 2017 5:14 AM

SPC James Atwell — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:14:02 -0400

Court Marshal.

Response by Shawn O'brien made Mar 19 at 2017 5:19 AM

Shawn O'brien — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 05:19:34 -0400

Well my brother was a E 9 in the army 82 airborne ranger that kid got a lot to work to do he should of got an ass whipping and run 30 miles then do the assigned task given no ever should talk back to a command officers especially in formation

Response by AN William Scott made Mar 19 at 2017 7:37 AM

AN William Scott — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:37:02 -0400

Brig, mo-tour, Bad Conduct Discharge. What else is there?

Response by SPC Michael Nisbet made Mar 19 at 2017 9:27 AM

SPC Michael Nisbet — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:27:36 -0400

Smoke him hard

Response by Sgt Franciszek Sczczecinski made Mar 19 at 2017 10:03 AM

Sgt Franciszek Sczczecinski — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 10:03:03 -0400

Dismiss the rest of the platoon... and then trim his ears back and tip him upside down...!

Response by SSG Roger Wacaser made Mar 19 at 2017 12:30 PM

SSG Roger Wacaser — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:30:02 -0400

release the formation and take the soldier a side and explain to him/her what is expected of him/her and their duties

Response by Gino Amaya made Mar 19 at 2017 1:24 PM

Gino Amaya — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:24:20 -0400

Not military but I am in law enforcement. I had marine as a SGT in my rookie school. I can honestly say he would of lost his mind and most likely have throw me out of the building.... I'd expect that guy to get his ass knocked out immediately for doing that in the military. I know I know, things have changed and everyone has to be babied.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2017 4:44 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:44:32 -0400

Flame spray him in public so the others know what's coming their way if they act up.

Response by Cpl James Oltz made Mar 19 at 2017 5:54 PM

Cpl James Oltz — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:54:38 -0400

While in the Corps, I had more than a few "lapses of judgement". Each one was dealt with a good beating, PT till you puke and collapse, and crap details / duty. (sweeping Onslow Beach, fire watch on a dumpster, wrapped in riggers tape -sticky side out - to roll on the ground to police call for cigarette butts, etc.) Never had a negative entry in my SRB. Pain teaches faster focused lessons than paperwork. I was grateful for the lessons and the clean record. I was never "disciplined" unless i actually screwed up. I was never bitter afterwards. Toilet paper should be soft, fine china is to be handled delicately, warriors should be forged to disciplined, hard, effective warriors.

Response by SrA Russell Smith made Mar 19 at 2017 8:31 PM

SrA Russell Smith — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:31:29 -0400

Sounds as tho he's not ready to be part of something bigger than his attitude.

Response by PO3 Rosco Enderson made Mar 19 at 2017 9:09 PM

PO3 Rosco Enderson — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:09:13 -0400

ya know, this is what this country has to put up with, they didn't get reprimanded while growing up. well too FUCKING BAD?"

Response by MSG Allan Tidd made Mar 19 at 2017 9:10 PM

MSG Allan Tidd — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:10:31 -0400

Tell them to do it or they can clean out the crapper.

Response by SP5 Jeff Littlefield made Mar 19 at 2017 9:21 PM

SP5 Jeff Littlefield — Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:21:10 -0400

I would slap the piss out of him. If that didn't work, we would go out back

Response by CPL Louis Welch made Mar 20 at 2017 12:27 AM

CPL Louis Welch — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 00:27:51 -0400

I think pulling him aside privately and then question him as to his motive. If has no reason other than laziness, I would tell him that he was restricted to barracks along with the platoon. If he didnt want to be a team member, then he can let them know it and then, if he still refused, I would send him to counciling under guard and have him evaluated for an ARt15.

Response by Cpl Steven Whitman made Mar 20 at 2017 12:31 AM

Cpl Steven Whitman — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 00:31:31 -0400

Article 15 for the young punk.

Response by LCpl Kevin Boyd made Mar 20 at 2017 4:09 AM

LCpl Kevin Boyd — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:09:40 -0400

Well in the Corps, at least 3rd Trax, LSB, LAR, Tanks, Heavy Weapons, 5th Marines, the 1st MAR DIV as a whole. My TOP or 1stSgt would have called me into the office and suggested that I visit the Marine in question in his room during Field Day. Or if an NCO or boot louie made the suggestion I would wait for a fueld op. Non-NCO's must maintain the discipline of Non-NCO's. Semper Fidelis my military cousins.

Response by SR Justin Armstrong made Mar 20 at 2017 7:36 AM

SR Justin Armstrong — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 07:36:53 -0400

Automatic discipline! Severe verbal beat down of the bug in front of the others front and center. Double PT until I feel my point has gotten across.
If in boot camp then drop for 50 holding 50th at 1/2" off the deck until I tell you get your ass up and fall in. If this does no good then go up the chain of command.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 7:38 AM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 07:38:57 -0400

Something like this undermines your authority and rank and ability to lead and command which is why it can not be tolerated. Punishment needs to be quick and immediate and obvious for other subordinates to see so that they learn and realize that something like this is not and can not be tolerated in the military.

Response by SP5 Lewis Shinstine made Mar 20 at 2017 11:51 AM

SP5 Lewis Shinstine — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:51:01 -0400

I have given you a lawful order" and you are you refusing to obey it, What is your reason for doing so? If not a good reason Take legal action at once. If in active combat any action needed depending on circumstance; such as costing the lives of fellow troops. it could include if needed a bullet for cowardice in the face of the enemy.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2017 2:01 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:01:49 -0400

Hand him or her over to a very capable and motivated NCO for some extra attention and go from there...

Response by SP6 Michael Nolan made Mar 20 at 2017 2:53 PM

SP6 Michael Nolan — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:53:45 -0400

200 pushups, humiliation in front of other trainees

Response by SPC Ronald Kenebrew made Mar 20 at 2017 5:01 PM

SPC Ronald Kenebrew — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:01:01 -0400

Squat thrust and mountain climbers until you die!!!

Response by PFC Darren Salinger made Mar 20 at 2017 5:51 PM

PFC Darren Salinger — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:51:59 -0400

I've been in a similar situation, not to that extreme, but the results were unsavory. I ended up going AWOL for 3 days and spent 30 days in CCF. After my release from there, I found that the Sgt., my reason for AWOL had been released from our platoon. I never had a problem afterwards.

Response by SFC Mike Mason made Mar 20 at 2017 6:54 PM

SFC Mike Mason — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:54:53 -0400

Platoon, Atten shun......Half Right Face, Front Leaning Rest Position.......Ho, now lets see how many pushups we can do while Pv2 Dumbass considers his options

Response by Ronnie Buckner made Mar 20 at 2017 8:40 PM

Ronnie Buckner — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:40:47 -0400

honestly after hearing from both older brothers and my father how basic was i know how id have handled it and to the point id tell him drop give me 50 and if he refused id say well then wanna go that route today huh all wile walking around him then swift foot to rear knee and crouch down and explain that it wasnt a request and next time it wouldnt be a foot

Response by Sgt Jeff Richmond made Mar 20 at 2017 9:41 PM

Sgt Jeff Richmond — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:41:41 -0400

Punishment right then and there, Drop and push until you agree to do it and if you don't, art 15 and recycle. If you don't stop it then and there, no one there will respect you and no one will follow your orders.

Response by CPL William Cole made Mar 20 at 2017 10:19 PM

CPL William Cole — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:19:07 -0400

ummm no

Response by SFC Gene Kind made Mar 20 at 2017 11:53 PM

SFC Gene Kind — Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:53:06 -0400

Everyone! Out to the pit!

Response by SPC Mark Curtis made Mar 21 at 2017 4:51 AM

SPC Mark Curtis — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:51:53 -0400

You drop the whole Platoon and hold them in the Front Leaning Rest until you get tired. Then you smoke the crap out of them, until that menial detail you gave them seems like a superior task!!!! Ain't that right Maggot!!!! And you repeat the cycle until you receive their full cooperation!!!! I would not let that private "Eye (Blank) me either" I would let him know I'd rip his filthy eyes out of his sockets!!!! Old School Military!!!

Response by SPC Jerry Birchfield made Mar 21 at 2017 6:40 AM

SPC Jerry Birchfield — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 06:40:27 -0400

Step back regarding group get your temper under control, then give the private a order to do the job if he smarts off AR 15, restriction, extra duty his butt

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2017 6:47 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 06:47:31 -0400

I had to chapter out a good SGT because he kept being late. I didn't know him personally. I was just handed 7 soldiers and told, They're your responsibility, get em out of here. Later I found out the real story. E5, 6 years in, arms room NCO. Suddenly he was late every time the arms room needed to be opened for any reason. 1SG loathed anyone who was late; it was his personal pet peeve. Before you could say Armorer, this E5 went from NCO to SPC to PFC. AND NO ONE EVER ASKED HIM WHY....until this young LT finally took him aside and had a talk with him. Turns out his wife left him And their child, only 3 years old. This soldier had no idea how to handle single parenthood. He had no resources or family and didn't know what to do with a 3 yr old when he had to open an arms room at 0200-0300 hours before day care opens. This LT gave him some phone numbers and resources and BAM! Problem solved. He was never late again. But it was too late. 1SG was determined to destroy his career. 6 years steller service...and resentment and stress and life and a really bad 1SG, only made it worse. All he needed was someone to talk to him once and offer him a hand. We're still friends even though I had to do my duty. He's a wonderful person, a good parent and on his way to finishing his bachelors. So when I hear some say we should expect soldiers to just obey and ignore their personhood...I say, No. That isnt your only job. Yes I need to accomplish my mission but a Good leader know the Welfare of their soldier is in that creed as well. And if you aren't checking the welfare of your soldiers, its just laziness on your part. I know my soldiers and will always place their needs above my own doesn't just mean letting them eat in the chow line first and asking them where they're from. No one gives a damn where you're from. Tell me where you're going and how we can get there, together

Response by SGT Bruce Woods made Mar 21 at 2017 7:10 AM

SGT Bruce Woods — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 07:10:12 -0400

smoke his ass ..give him the crappiest work details..after duty work details

Response by SA Johnny Jones made Mar 21 at 2017 7:48 AM

SA Johnny Jones — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 07:48:45 -0400

PT FROM HELL

Response by SGT Ivory Brown made Mar 21 at 2017 8:02 AM

SGT Ivory Brown — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:02:29 -0400

in private find out what's really going on. could be a number of things going on, personal or private. but the bottom line is that Warrior must obey all lawful orders. but you must document, document that stuff.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Mar 21 at 2017 8:35 AM

MAJ John Douglas — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 08:35:54 -0400

Why do you call one person They and Them? I never had an E2 run his mouth at me but if I did, I would turn it over to the NCO chain of command. If they needed me to get involved, they would let me know.

Response by Amn Matt Burton made Mar 21 at 2017 9:30 AM

Amn Matt Burton — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:30:06 -0400

Bettter question is, why were trained thinking that was an acceptable response?

Response by CWO2 Bill Kerr made Mar 21 at 2017 9:53 AM

CWO2 Bill Kerr — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:53:42 -0400

It is blatant disrespect and disobedience of a lawful order. In instances like this, "Praise in public, punish in private," doesn't apply. It should be an "On the spot," correction. No need to raise your voice. Look the person in the eyes. Firmly, "You were given a task, an implied direct order. You will carry that task out. Do I make myself clear? You have already crossed a line. One more word of defiance or disrespect will result in you being formally charged." When the formation is dismissed. I would pull that person to the side with your superior in attendance. Some form of non-judicial punishment administered. Documentation any further occurrence will result in formal charges. What this does is gives that one shot in case the Sailor was off keel this day. Maybe something going on his life. Yet he needs to know in no uncertain terms this will not be tolerated and can result in dire consequences. By on the spot correction. You've just let everyone in that formation know this will not be tolerated. By not screaming, cussing, but with firmness you've demonstrated sound leadership which is not tainted by uncontrollable rage.

Response by SSG Bernard Harwood made Mar 21 at 2017 10:17 AM

SSG Bernard Harwood — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:17:11 -0400

It would need to be nipped really quick there would be alot of pt going on and also looking up disrespecting a NCO and also in form him that if it continues that he will be given a article 15 cause of the way the militery has went to more paper than anything.

Response by Cpl Donald Cunningham made Mar 21 at 2017 11:03 AM

Cpl Donald Cunningham — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 11:03:19 -0400

the same way it was done in my unit the dumb ass and his two leaders: (fire team and squad leaders) would all stay then the fuck up would watch as his direct leaders did the job then by next formation the problem would be fixed no questions asked and the higher ups didn't get involved the way it should be.

Response by GySgt Robert Van_Leer made Mar 21 at 2017 12:30 PM

GySgt Robert Van_Leer — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:30:03 -0400

USMC Gunny -- Take him to a quiet private corner and "adjust" his attitude.

Response by SGT Andrew Goetsch made Mar 21 at 2017 12:36 PM

SGT Andrew Goetsch — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:36:04 -0400

Good God, what kind of pansie ass NCOs are they raising now days? Calmly explain what is expected of him in private? I wouldn't use that in a kindergarten class and sure the hell wouldn't react that way in the military.

Response by SFC James Beasley made Mar 21 at 2017 1:22 PM

SFC James Beasley — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:22:23 -0400

Tell the men that "today we are practicing our hand to hand combat skills" and PVT. Joe Smart Mouth will be our demonstrator of what not to do. After this training event is over, I would have his squad leader issue a counseling statement regarding his disrespect and what the expectations of being a Soldier are. I would then counsel the squad leader for not instilling these traits into him from the get go.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2017 2:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:29:14 -0400

Tell that PV 2 to stand by with squad leader and we will have some good old corrective training and that's a guarantee

Response by PO3 Dan Wiggins made Mar 21 at 2017 2:39 PM

PO3 Dan Wiggins — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 14:39:09 -0400

1) Talk to me AFTER you do what I said. 2) Send formation out-he stands fast. Give him one shot to state objection, then advise any objection has no merit when orders issued-period. Let him know this is one and only time he gets this chance given to avoid Mast, any other backtalk is up for MAST, no discussion-now go do as instructed or report to brig, period.

Response by Gabe Shumway made Mar 21 at 2017 6:18 PM

Gabe Shumway — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:18:05 -0400

Yell in his face and say, " you will do this task private pile sack-a-shit!" "You will follow my orders if you disobey one more time or smart mouth me I will fuck you silly!!!"

Response by SGT Andre Cheatham made Mar 21 at 2017 6:18 PM

SGT Andre Cheatham — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:18:06 -0400

Actually this did happen to me doing my Career. I was a Sgt (E-5) my soldier was a Pfc (E-3), we get back from a 4 week field exercise. She said she quit that she was done working for the day. After repeating to get back to work she refuse, I just put one of my other soldier in charge, I march her to my office, wrote her up, to it to the 1st sarg, and believe it or not she told the first sarg and the company commader that she quit. So guess what her rights was read and she did 30 days on coleman barracks in Mannheim Germany. For anyone who don't know colemen its the jail there. When she finish her 30 days, that soldier was the best soldier in my squad.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Mar 21 at 2017 6:26 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:26:02 -0400

Call it what it is, "Assault" and then commit the "Battery" to make him shut his mouth!

Response by Manaia Mataele made Mar 21 at 2017 7:07 PM

Manaia Mataele — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:07:39 -0400

i dont know made no sence yo me

Response by PO1 Mitch Chambers made Mar 21 at 2017 7:30 PM

PO1 Mitch Chambers — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 19:30:08 -0400

ass kicking

Response by LCpl Johnny Carroll made Mar 21 at 2017 8:41 PM

LCpl Johnny Carroll — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:41:41 -0400

smack him in the mouth

Response by LCpl Johnny Carroll made Mar 21 at 2017 9:00 PM

LCpl Johnny Carroll — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:00:36 -0400

smack him in the mouth

Response by SGT Joseph Smith made Mar 21 at 2017 9:47 PM

SGT Joseph Smith — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:47:35 -0400

Id recycle his ass. Just like that did in airborne school. You fuck up once you get recycled to do it all over again. I think that's the most valuable punishment you can do make them listen. Is take all their fucking time up in the world. Show them what the life is all about. Its respect. Its adapting and over coming. Its doing 7 robin sages when ever the command picks your number you take it to the chin and do the tasking soldier. This is what you swore an oath to. if you don't like it. Enjoy your dishonorable discharge!!

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Mar 21 at 2017 10:30 PM

Sgt Neil Foster — Tue, 21 Mar 2017 22:30:48 -0400

Allow him to take his complaint to the First Sergeant and see how far he gets!

Response by SGT Kevin Sawyer made Mar 22 at 2017 12:17 AM

SGT Kevin Sawyer — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 00:17:59 -0400

I have to agree with GySgt Pepper. Discipline is best left to the individual's chain of command; from pltsgt to sqdldr to teamldr. Everyone else is dismissed to begin the day's assignments. I have witnessed far too many cases of public humiliation in my twelve yrs of service. The private will learn more respect for his command if the discipline is kept quiet and discreet.

Response by Cpl John Moore made Mar 22 at 2017 12:54 AM

Cpl John Moore — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 00:54:24 -0400

Detain the undisciplined while the unit falls out. Question his action to find out what may me wrong. Reassuring him or here its a unit not high school. Then reassure them if there is a problem it will get attention, however, punishment will follow for the action. They need to learn respect, honor, and commitment to duty. I have seen this go from conversation to whoop ass. I find the middle road. Usually it has the real problem surface.

Response by Michael Shade Precie made Mar 22 at 2017 1:06 AM

Michael Shade Precie — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:06:48 -0400

I'd PT him till he pukes 2 times.

Response by SPC Bigmike Sing made Mar 22 at 2017 3:23 AM

SPC Bigmike Sing — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:23:33 -0400

Make the biggest most outspoken soldier do it and all his other duties for the rest of the day and let him go hang out in the barracks.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2017 8:10 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:10:23 -0400

It's simple really this might be a problem in other branches. But definitely not the marine corps even more so in the 03 field the only thing coming out of a boot as pfcs mouth is no Sgt, yes Sgt, I sgt. And even if he talk back every sernior lace would have him on blast and him and his buddy's would be playing fuck fuck games until the morning sun.

Response by CPL Bryan Claeys made Mar 22 at 2017 8:33 AM

CPL Bryan Claeys — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:33:34 -0400

Negative counseling statement. If it continues to be an issue then I've got no problem pursuing charges for being a malingerer.

Response by PO2 Vernon Carter made Mar 22 at 2017 8:57 AM

PO2 Vernon Carter — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:57:46 -0400

Immediate Report Them To Company Commander For Disiplinary Action!!

Response by SGM William Heath made Mar 22 at 2017 9:24 AM

SGM William Heath — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:24:36 -0400

If it was me and it had been like that, private Pyle should be cleaning the latrine and running everywhere, with extra cq duty and restricting to post!

Response by SGT Edward Lassman made Mar 22 at 2017 12:36 PM

SGT Edward Lassman — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:36:48 -0400

Muscle failure is always an option.

Response by PFC Jody Galarneau made Mar 22 at 2017 1:51 PM

PFC Jody Galarneau — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:51:54 -0400

I'll tell you what, if I EVER spoke out like that to an NCO, I woulda been eating dirt for a week, lowcrawling the AO policing cigarette buts, while my squad drank beers and cheered me on. The ONLY order that should be questioned is an UNLAWFUL order.

Response by LCpl Mel Nye made Mar 22 at 2017 3:12 PM

LCpl Mel Nye — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:12:31 -0400

There is no room for that self entitled I don't want to attitude, that's how Good Men and Good Women die!

Response by PO3 Steven Oge made Mar 22 at 2017 3:39 PM

PO3 Steven Oge — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:39:57 -0400

I chose you,end of conversation

Response by SN Jay Perry made Mar 22 at 2017 4:22 PM

SN Jay Perry — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:22:40 -0400

Had a skipper in I division (welcome aboard indoc division) who would send his escort the MAC out the door. The would give the following speech "if you go over the hill the Chief takes care of it (pointing out the door), u smoke dope on my ship the Chief takes care of it.........Someone disrespects you as ONE of my petty officer YOU had better take care of it. Many is day I saw some 'career counseling' being done in the refer flats below first division berthing.

Response by SGT Austin Miller made Mar 22 at 2017 4:50 PM

SGT Austin Miller — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:50:13 -0400

I would have dog the recruit bad, would be he's worst night mare

Response by Troy Hebert made Mar 22 at 2017 6:01 PM

Troy Hebert — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:01:36 -0400

Your going to what I ask I didn't ask him I want you to do task end of story

Response by PFC Mark Coates made Mar 22 at 2017 6:03 PM

PFC Mark Coates — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:03:51 -0400

I am not a mamby tamby type. Plain and simple: "You are refusing to follow a direct order? Then, I have no use for you. Stand fast." I then point to two others and say, "Escort this piece of shit to the brig." I then turn to said PFC and say, "Your time in my military is over. You will be tried and convicted as per military justice, and once your term is served, you will have the option to be discharged, or reduced in rank for a second chance. I suggest you use your brig time to think about that choice."

Response by Jerry Stone made Mar 22 at 2017 6:14 PM

Jerry Stone — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:14:11 -0400

handled with proper military protocal

Response by SN Shawn Anderson made Mar 22 at 2017 6:17 PM

SN Shawn Anderson — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:17:26 -0400

Drop and stay there all day

Response by CPL Greg Smith made Mar 22 at 2017 6:17 PM

CPL Greg Smith — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:17:31 -0400

Kp, or article 15...

Response by SGT Teddy Holtry made Mar 22 at 2017 6:29 PM

SGT Teddy Holtry — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:29:07 -0400

This actually happened to me in the 80's, shitbird was getting out on a discharge, the troops were in position for chow how told him to assume the position, dismissed the troops to chow , he pumped out 10, I then told him to halt, edged the toes of my boots over his fingers and applied pressure, and in a quiet voice told him, I'm glad He's getting his childish ass out, but for the rest of his time, noone needs to be dealing with his cancer and that the other troops were here because they wanted to be , so it would behoove to STFU and do his time in silence. then I stepped back off his fingers and let him go to chow

Response by SSG Richard Rutherford made Mar 22 at 2017 7:59 PM

SSG Richard Rutherford — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:59:23 -0400

I would have a little Sgt time with this E2, along with his team and squad leader. That way we all are on the same page when it comes to my expectations on military bearings, conduct, and duty.

Response by CWO4 Doyle Duncan made Mar 22 at 2017 9:00 PM

CWO4 Doyle Duncan — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:00:32 -0400

out back buddy

Response by Col Roger Kemp made Mar 22 at 2017 9:10 PM

Col Roger Kemp — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:10:46 -0400

Give him a direct order. If he refuses take him directly to the commander's office. I'll get his attention.

Response by CAPT Carl Cusaac made Mar 22 at 2017 9:44 PM

CAPT Carl Cusaac — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 21:44:53 -0400

Make an example out of the E2 right there and right then, professionally but effectively....

Response by CPO Leo Washington made Mar 22 at 2017 10:01 PM

CPO Leo Washington — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:01:29 -0400

Rip him one...

Response by David Barton made Mar 22 at 2017 10:37 PM

David Barton — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:37:09 -0400

you can also do kp after you get done with this job

Response by CPL Art Scott made Mar 22 at 2017 11:17 PM

CPL Art Scott — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:17:50 -0400

Duck walk until pvt asks permission to do the assigned job

Response by SPC Jason Moore made Mar 22 at 2017 11:44 PM

SPC Jason Moore — Wed, 22 Mar 2017 23:44:41 -0400

Some of you guys are funny as hell. So glad I served in the Army. Best memories ill ever have other than the birth of my kids.

Response by PO2 Bill Hager made Mar 23 at 2017 12:12 AM

PO2 Bill Hager — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:12:14 -0400

Explain options of choices and consequences, document informal counseling. insist on immediate compliance or take next step of formal written reprimand.

Response by SFC David Patterson made Mar 23 at 2017 2:04 AM

SFC David Patterson — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:04:16 -0400

You destroy the unit while he watches. Smoke the dog crap out of his team leader. Then expect a counseling and resolution within the hour.

Response by Matthew Wilkey made Mar 23 at 2017 4:04 AM

Matthew Wilkey — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 04:04:37 -0400

Well they will have to understand im higher rank and they have no choice but to do it and thats that

Response by SSgt Terry Lee made Mar 23 at 2017 10:45 AM

SSgt Terry Lee — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:45:48 -0400

In the old days, before PC touchy feely sissification, his peers would have taken care of the problem. Period.

Response by Sgt Kate Price made Mar 23 at 2017 1:19 PM

Sgt Kate Price — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:19:55 -0400

I have this very same situation happen to me. I pulled him into the office, closed the blinds and proceeded to go into DI mode on him. Told him this was his verbal warning, ever happens again he would be brought up for Office hours and receive a page 11 entry. I never heard another disrespectful word from him again

Response by PFC Fred Curtis made Mar 23 at 2017 1:39 PM

PFC Fred Curtis — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:39:02 -0400

throat punch

Response by SSgt Chris Rowe made Mar 23 at 2017 1:44 PM

SSgt Chris Rowe — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:44:05 -0400

He'd be feeling like he was back in hell week

Response by Jeremiah Long made Mar 23 at 2017 1:59 PM

Jeremiah Long — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:59:55 -0400

I di four years AFJROTC I would probably respond by yelling at him talking about how he was a accident like my DI'S. Would do at drill comps

Response by SSG Dave Mathews made Mar 23 at 2017 3:46 PM

SSG Dave Mathews — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:46:37 -0400

As a E-6 platoon sgt, the way I handled all my troops was to establish control right from the get go !! As new people come in I really didn't have to show anyone who was in charge the other plt members did the educating. I was caring, stearn, and demanding! However if I did have a problem, it was NEVER solved in public always in private. I don't think I ever had any serious problems with anyone, if it was minor a weeks worth of KP always served as a attitude check.

Response by Cpl Lloyd Martin Martin made Mar 23 at 2017 4:44 PM

Cpl Lloyd Martin Martin — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:44:18 -0400

Slap that FNG upside the head.

Response by SP6 Kevin Ronzheimer made Mar 23 at 2017 5:16 PM

SP6 Kevin Ronzheimer — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:16:57 -0400

I had a similar situation while deployed with an E-4 who thought it would be funny to disrespect me in front of the squad. My reaction was immediate and to say the least very very firm. In my mind your troops need to know you care but that your first name is and will always be SGT and follow any and all lawful orders you give.

Response by SGT Edward Varner made Mar 23 at 2017 5:48 PM

SGT Edward Varner — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:48:43 -0400

Smoke his ass!

Response by PFC Anthony Hyser made Mar 23 at 2017 5:56 PM

PFC Anthony Hyser — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:56:01 -0400

This is all these millineum generations. The way I see it he opens his mouth to upper NCO then he needs to get throat punched just for beING disrespectful. Didn't realize we have baby in the military now. You think if you were a POW that your captives wouldnt beat the sh!t out of you. If you don't follow a order. All I'm going to say the military is not a democracy it is dictatorship. The rules come from the top they need to be followed.

Response by CPO Ron Burnsworth made Mar 23 at 2017 6:46 PM

CPO Ron Burnsworth — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 18:46:33 -0400

Suit up dip shit your the next one to go overboard and this is not a drill.

Response by PFC Kenneth Farrell made Mar 23 at 2017 8:09 PM

PFC Kenneth Farrell — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:09:37 -0400

Reassign the duty to someone else, then have the E2 do so much exercise and other things he would wish he had obeyed the first duty.

Response by PFC Kenneth Farrell made Mar 23 at 2017 8:16 PM

PFC Kenneth Farrell — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:16:38 -0400

I was one of those arrogant pfc's . I learned my lesson by being sent to corrective custody and forature of pay.

Response by SFC Teresa Threatts made Mar 23 at 2017 8:43 PM

SFC Teresa Threatts — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:43:11 -0400

I was a Senior NCO during my stint with the Army. If a Soldier had decided to disrespect me--especially in formation, he or she would be formally counseled. Also, there would be some "corrective action/training" going on. I would definitely write him or her up and when the time for the Soldier to be promoted, I'd ensure that he or she didn't get promoted. For the most part, whenever my Soldiers weren't acting like themselves, I would generally want to know what the underlying issue is prior to taking action. I would have to find out what was up with this Soldier for him or her to disrespect me. No doubt about it, I still would want to find out what the deal is prior to taking SERIOUS actions.

Response by TSgt Richard Farrell made Mar 23 at 2017 9:01 PM

TSgt Richard Farrell — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:01:42 -0400

This is a simple one:
ALWAYS USE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. And so, first, order said offender to report to your office, when summoned. This is done immediately in front of witnesses to avoid and confusion when said individuals may be called by a convening board for testimony if needed. Arrange for you supervisor to attend the planned counseling session with said offender. Document said offense to obey a lawful order, in writing, on an LOC (Letter of Counseling). Stick to the facts and remain completely objective when said subordinate is ultimately summoned to your office. When military member appears before you inform them why they are receiving a LOC and that their signature on said document is required in accordance with Military policies, procedures and the UCMJ. If need be, consult with 1st Sgt. and /or staff Judge Advocate for any legal guidance regarding UCMJ and MCM. During said LOC session with offender allow them to read the LOC narrative you've prepared, have them sign it (required) which merely shows acknowledgement of the documents existence and advise that individual they have to the right to provide, in writing, and mitigating circumstances that would explain their failure to comply with military customs, courtesy's, traditions and lawful orders. There's so much more. Basically, as this person's supervisor, you've taken the first step toward separating this person from Military service under less than honorable conditions. Their screwed....

Response by SPC David March made Mar 23 at 2017 9:44 PM

SPC David March — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:44:11 -0400

Laugh and give extra duty and if it continues article 15

Response by Brien Morgan made Mar 23 at 2017 10:13 PM

Brien Morgan — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:13:05 -0400

Very nicely show introduce his face to my knee

Response by PO2 David Christianson made Mar 23 at 2017 11:59 PM

PO2 David Christianson — Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:59:23 -0400

Call him in "AFTER" dismissed... then have a calm discussion about "REALITY"....!

Response by Corey Anderson made Mar 24 at 2017 12:38 AM

Corey Anderson — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 00:38:11 -0400

I may be just a civilian but if I was in a Drill Instructors shoes, I was rip him a new one, tell him to drop and give me 300 pushups, tell him to report to the Senior Drill Instructor of this barracks building, if he refuses, I'd call the Military Police for refusal of work being issued, now in a civilian matter I've ignored a manager of mine because of job discrimination, I quit before my manager could fire me!

Response by SP6 Mike Parker made Mar 24 at 2017 4:08 AM

SP6 Mike Parker — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 04:08:30 -0400

Take him behind the tank and give him some "Remedial" Training..........

Response by SPC Jordan Brown made Mar 24 at 2017 6:35 AM

SPC Jordan Brown — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:35:22 -0400

That's blatant disregard to a direct order from a noncommissioned officer. I don't know what I would do since I'm not an NCO, but I hope I am never that disrespectful to my superiors. If you don't like the task you were given, talk about it with respect and tact, if you still have to do it, deal with it.

Response by Andrew Puckett made Mar 24 at 2017 9:28 AM

Andrew Puckett — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:28:58 -0400

Not physically touch him. But PT the hell out of him untill he's hurting worse than anything I could do

Response by SSG Jonathan Walker made Mar 24 at 2017 9:58 AM

SSG Jonathan Walker — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:58:20 -0400

Dismiss formation. Have private stand fast with battle buddy and squad leader. Remind that private on what a direct order means and what the articles under UCMJ dictate about insubordination in my Army. While I'm torqueing this soldier's mind and body... automatic counseling statement, with a garuntee of article 15 for continuation of such behavior......

Response by PO2 Michael Lewellen made Mar 24 at 2017 10:33 AM

PO2 Michael Lewellen — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:33:10 -0400

I once had an individual who was constantly disrespecting his superiors. On the day in question, he actually stretched out on the deck in the back of the room while a Commander was giving instruction. When the class was over, I very quietly informed him that they only time I ever wanted to see him on the deck again is if I put him there. He just rolled his eyes. I guess I was a mite negligent when I failed to inform him that I was slated to be the next instructor & that I was going to be speaking about weapons retention & close quarters combat. To make sure that he stayed awake, he "Volunteered" to be my assistant instructor. During the next hour or so, he had many opportunities to become intimate with the deck on many occasions. He also learned a few things about pain compliance. After this lesson, there were no further problems as long as he sat on the front row & paid attention.

Response by PO2 Brad Broerman made Mar 24 at 2017 10:35 AM

PO2 Brad Broerman — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:35:12 -0400

Tell him that he will do it, or he can spend the day cleaning the head... I would guess the 'proper' way to handle it would be to put him on report. Doubt he'd want to go to mast... it sucks having to resort to that, but sometimes it's needed. In my 4 years, I only had to write up one person.

Response by LCpl Adam Godsey made Mar 24 at 2017 10:49 AM

LCpl Adam Godsey — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:49:28 -0400

It does not matter what this individual has going on in his life. If I gave you an order, you have 2 options. Question its legality or do it. Anything else would would result in a swift and public punishment. I can usually use a hole dug for a reason that I might think of later.

Response by SGT Edward Buchko made Mar 24 at 2017 12:41 PM

SGT Edward Buchko — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:41:54 -0400

Make the maggot cry!

Response by Johnnie Cline made Mar 24 at 2017 1:06 PM

Johnnie Cline — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:06:54 -0400

I come from a VERY military strong family ie Corps brat, Army Mom, Navy wife, AF ex-wife, Navy grand-daughter, etc....even though I wasn't eligible to enlist myself, insubordination should be handled IMMEDIATELY with proper discipline ie slap in the face, kick in the ass, whatever it takes to get the point across that you are NO LONGER A CIVILIAN, BUT PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, THEREFORE, YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN OPINION, WANTS, THOUGHTS, OR DESIRES...YOU ARE TO DO AS INSTRUCTED OR TOLD TO DO! End of story

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2017 2:19 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:19:14 -0400

I would be dumbfounded at their audacity for a split second, then I would set his whole life on fire.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Mar 24 at 2017 5:38 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:38:38 -0400

As an NCO, it is up to you to set the standard from the start. Conduct your self as an NCO. You have a sit down with all new people coming under your command. You tell them what you expect of them and what you will not put up with, period. In my 40 years in the military, I have never had a problem like that. You have to set the frame work that makes them willing to follow you esp. in combat. Every day you are training them for combat, that is the bottom line.

Response by MSgt Frank Finkenbinder made Mar 24 at 2017 6:10 PM

MSgt Frank Finkenbinder — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 18:10:03 -0400

After hours EMI and if continued disobedience then 1/2 day motivation at CC facility at Stone Point. Inform PFC continued disobedience will result in page 11 counseling and reflection in PRO/CON marks followed by article 32 office hours and/or court-martial as necessary.

Response by SGT Walter Lester made Mar 24 at 2017 7:21 PM

SGT Walter Lester — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:21:08 -0400

I would do the same thing I did to a PFC in Vietnam when he refused my orders. I took him to the Co.and had him wait out side the office.I told the Co. what had happened and the soldiers name rank. and what he had orders to do.I recommended the Co. serve an article 15 to the soldier. The
Co. followed through with the charges and busted the soldier back down to a PVT E-1. the soldier also refused the same order from the Co. He was later that day transferred to HHC as a undesirable.

Response by PV2 Robert Ziganto made Mar 24 at 2017 7:44 PM

PV2 Robert Ziganto — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:44:24 -0400

politely ask him to get in the prone position . then step on his throat .& tell him , I am here to try to save your life . In real life you do not have the choice . And this is real life !

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2017 7:47 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:47:08 -0400

I would make him beat the ground

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2017 7:49 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:49:25 -0400

But then again I haven't been to basic but everyone tells me that is what would happen and you'd most likely get an ART15 and the business end of a boot back home

Response by LCpl Steve Gray made Mar 24 at 2017 8:12 PM

LCpl Steve Gray — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:12:37 -0400

I would beat the fuckin brakes off of them!!

Response by Sarah Michaelson made Mar 24 at 2017 8:52 PM

Sarah Michaelson — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:52:18 -0400

Give him that job for an entire week then give him bathroom detail for a week and pt early and twice a day for a week. Make him to 1500 push ups and 4000 sit ups and 200 crunches due by the next roll call

Response by Sarah Michaelson made Mar 24 at 2017 8:53 PM

Sarah Michaelson — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:53:27 -0400

Ground him to barracks for a month

Response by SFC Michael Duncan made Mar 24 at 2017 8:59 PM

SFC Michael Duncan — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:59:47 -0400

Senior Drill SGT. for 2.5 yrs, an Infantry Plt. Sgt. for 11 yrs. Never had this happen to me. Deportment, and demeanor by a leader will nip this kind of behavior in the bud. But if it did. Sqd.Ldr and I would inform the soldier of a recommendation for an Art. 15. No buts or reasons accepted!

Response by MSgt Rogelio Lopez made Mar 24 at 2017 10:37 PM

MSgt Rogelio Lopez — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 22:37:23 -0400

take him outside for some fun in the sun...add whatever activity comes mind.

Response by SGT Noel Eliscu made Mar 24 at 2017 11:50 PM

SGT Noel Eliscu — Fri, 24 Mar 2017 23:50:14 -0400

Request an article 15 if they still have it

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Mar 25 at 2017 3:01 AM

SPC Franklin McKown — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 03:01:26 -0400

Let your local squad "mafia" do their job,by helping him in his task.Send a BIGGER guy who knows his job.

Response by SPC David Owens Jr. made Mar 25 at 2017 11:33 AM

SPC David Owens Jr. — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:33:19 -0400

In my day my boot would be so far up is ads he could taste the boot polish

Response by SSG Ronald Allen made Mar 25 at 2017 12:39 PM

SSG Ronald Allen — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 12:39:05 -0400

What did you say to me private!?!? (announced to the entire formation)...Well, since one of "you all's) battle buddy decides NOT to follow instructions, then you all will suffer! The rest will be taken care of.

Response by PO2 Brett Rowland made Mar 25 at 2017 1:12 PM

PO2 Brett Rowland — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:12:12 -0400

60 push ups and latrine duty for 60 days on first offense

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2017 1:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:47:51 -0400

when I first joined you don't talk back to your NCO's or else you will be in the dark side.. I mean extra duty until you get tired.. Not in today's military.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2017 2:40 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 14:40:57 -0400

In the Air Force I would first pull that member into my office and get to the bottom of the issue. I have learned never to jump to conclusions and to know all the circumstances in the member's life. Depending on the circumstances, some form of administrative action is definitely warranted, but mental health or a chaplain may need to be involved as well. However, if after investigating, the member is having a power contest with the superior, I (or a member higher in the chain) would issue a written reprimand with the member in full service dress at attention directing the member this is the member's only warning before the First Sergeant recommends punitive action to the Commander and good order and discipline is expected.

Response by Cadet 1st CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2017 4:23 PM

Cadet 1st CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:23:32 -0400

I would slap the fuck out of him and demand that he give me a hundred fifty push ups

Response by AN Kenneth Swartz made Mar 25 at 2017 4:59 PM

AN Kenneth Swartz — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:59:01 -0400

Write them up

Response by PO1 Michael Ratigan made Mar 25 at 2017 5:21 PM

PO1 Michael Ratigan — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:21:35 -0400

Drop the entire company except the Big mouth e2 mash them and then let them sort shit out

Response by CPT Reece Sheikholeslam made Mar 25 at 2017 5:31 PM

CPT Reece Sheikholeslam — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:31:51 -0400

Time for some combatives training

Response by PVT Chazs Miester made Mar 25 at 2017 5:32 PM

PVT Chazs Miester — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:32:36 -0400

If i was the E5 I would drop everyone pt them for an hour still give private orders let the other disipline the pvt on there own time

Response by SGT Robin Sullins made Mar 25 at 2017 6:00 PM

SGT Robin Sullins — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:00:12 -0400

would never happen telling a sgt your not gonna do it or give it to someone else.

Response by CPL James Sears made Mar 25 at 2017 6:19 PM

CPL James Sears — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 18:19:50 -0400

As it's an Order, the E2 must explain why it can't preform the Order..usually, from the front leaning rest position....

Response by MCPO Lee Oslund made Mar 25 at 2017 9:10 PM

MCPO Lee Oslund — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 21:10:35 -0400

Simply inform smart ass that what you have told them should be considered a lawful order. If they keep up the smart ass routine, and refuse to do the work, Article 15 for failing to obey a lawful order and insubordination.

If it continues, process ass-eyes for a discharge.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2017 9:25 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 21:25:38 -0400

I would light his ass up so that the rest of the division didn't think I was a push over and I would give him every single miserable crap job that no one wants to do until he requested TAD orders out of my division. I would have that dude cleaning bilges, scrubbing deck plates, mandatory berthing head cleaning three times a day, not to mention a report chit and a trip to the chief's mess. This is the military, if you singed up to be a problem you will be dealt with accordingly. Luckily for the rest of us who joined the military for the right reasons, the people like the guy in this example usually end up getting themselves either kicked out, or restricted to the point where they no longer hinder the rest of the division.

Response by CPL Tommy Grayson made Mar 25 at 2017 11:53 PM

CPL Tommy Grayson — Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:53:14 -0400

Dog 'em out. Tell him who I am and what he is supposed to be, while he is doing push-ups from here to eternity or at least until i get tired. He gets all the shit detail all week.

Response by SGT Michael Fifarek made Mar 26 at 2017 12:02 AM

SGT Michael Fifarek — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 00:02:41 -0400

Smack the civilian out of him

Response by PO1 Tim Stewart made Mar 26 at 2017 5:24 AM

PO1 Tim Stewart — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 05:24:56 -0400

Re-affirm and direct, where did an E-2 get the idea that they had an opinion? If there is an issue with an order subordinates must understand the protocols for dealing with it. It's open defiance, the E-2 has already earned the Article 15 they can debate the lawfulness of the order with command. If upon redirection the E-2 continues to refuse they are removed from the formation (publicly) and held by the MA until I've finished with my routines...Then we'll discuss bearing and protocol.

Response by SGT Joseph Hunt made Mar 26 at 2017 7:52 AM

SGT Joseph Hunt — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 07:52:19 -0400

In my day the 60's take him out back of the barracks and have a serious conversation about the head and shoulders with my fists, however that is not acceptable any longer

Response by Tim Camp made Mar 26 at 2017 7:58 AM

Tim Camp — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 07:58:06 -0400

Drop kick that little puke in his temple

Response by SSG Michael Price made Mar 26 at 2017 8:21 AM

SSG Michael Price — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:21:48 -0400

I would take the young man out and first , ask if he had a hearing problem. Then i would state that he would do the job or task and if he wanted to complain then we would address the issue once the mission is completed.

Response by Bryan-Stormer Conway made Mar 26 at 2017 9:05 AM

Bryan-Stormer Conway — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 09:05:55 -0400

Whatever protocol is, that's what needs to be followed.

Would you be allowed to treat a civilian boss that way and keep your job? No, you wouldn't.

You signed a contract, honor it or gtfo

Response by SGT Raymond Adkins made Mar 26 at 2017 9:15 AM

SGT Raymond Adkins — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 09:15:25 -0400

Early on in my E5 rank I smoked guys like this. They straightened up after that. Later on I was in my 1Sgt's office with my E7 being told we cannot smoke joe no longer. We have to counsel them instead and let a 45/45 be their punishment. IMO, smoking is a better way to deal with dipshits. I've seen guys that get counseling and put on 45/45 turn into bigger dipshits more often than guys that are smoked. Idk.

Response by PO3 Rolla McCrary made Mar 26 at 2017 9:40 AM

PO3 Rolla McCrary — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 09:40:51 -0400

Start by giving them the worst assignment possible. If that does not work then restrict them to base.

Response by PO3 Mike Wilson made Mar 26 at 2017 10:03 AM

PO3 Mike Wilson — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 10:03:20 -0400

Slap them!

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Mar 26 at 2017 11:16 AM

MAJ Montgomery Granger — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 11:16:06 -0400

Being a Mustang, my opinion is that you ignore the second bad mouth, dismiss the troops and see the PVT in private with another NCO present. Your first approach, as a counselor, is to be supportive. Ask how the PVT feels. What's going on in his life? Is anything bothering him, etc. Rule out illness, drugs, alcohol, personal tragedies, financial problems, etc. Those things aside, ask the PVT what he would do with an insubordinate troop if he were the NCO. The discussion, if the PVT is calmed down and being rational, should lead him to the understanding that what he did was wrong on many levels. It was unprofessional, disloyal, against the values of the military and not in keeping with the traditions and purpose of the military. There should be punishment and a requirement for a public apology. Face-to-face show downs are never as successful in reality than as they are in the movies. Troops lose respect for a supervisor who looses it on a Troop, even if the Troop deserves it. Praise in public, discipline in private almost always yields the best results. Demonstrating calm leadership in the barracks translates to battlefield confidence. If you lose it when there are no billets flying, what are the troops expected to think about your battlefield leadership ability?

Response by SP5 Briborne 18 Wolf made Mar 26 at 2017 12:20 PM

SP5 Briborne 18 Wolf — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 12:20:23 -0400

As a former Sgt. E-5 during Shield / Storm our training and enforcement was intense and damn sure not what it is today. So if one of my FNG's were to give me any lip in front of my other teams it would happen like this...
Freeze in front private jackass, dismiss the rest of men, turn back to pvt. dumbass and ask him if he was aware that he is an Airborne Trooper?!?! If he is aware that we set the standard?!?! Give him the speech. Let the quiet settle a bit and depending on his reaction either make him aware of the shit we're preping to walk into and why no is not acceptable and make him aware that it won't be tolerated EVER AGAIN. Or I would put him on shit detail at every opportunity constantly reminding him of why no is not tolerated. If that doesn't work then he may just trip and fall a couple of times!!

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2017 1:26 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 13:26:44 -0400

I tel him he signed up and these are his orders to carry out

Response by LCpl Gregory McDonald made Mar 26 at 2017 1:52 PM

LCpl Gregory McDonald — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 13:52:59 -0400

When I was in we never dared. Consequences were brutal

Response by PV2 Greg Schulz made Mar 26 at 2017 6:52 PM

PV2 Greg Schulz — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 18:52:52 -0400

write his /her ass up Then this response would be adequate..."Pvt Numbnuts you will stand by after formation." Proceed with the assignment of duties for all others and break formation. "Pvt Numb, have you lost your effin' military mind?!?" There should be an immediate response. Followed by either some PT and then numbnuts going about his duties as ordered or counseling with the Platoon Sergeant present and paper trail of said counseling.

Response by PO3 William Kirchner made Mar 26 at 2017 7:15 PM

PO3 William Kirchner — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 19:15:30 -0400

Escort him to your Commanding Officer .

Response by Cpl Jim Lyttle made Mar 26 at 2017 7:53 PM

Cpl Jim Lyttle — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 19:53:34 -0400

I would take this individual to an office alone and explain that professionally they would pay for refusing an order. Then I would handle the issue of public incibordination with response that would make them never do it again.

Response by SGT Kim Fairchild made Mar 26 at 2017 8:46 PM

SGT Kim Fairchild — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 20:46:59 -0400

Seaming you cannot touch anybody know days, there are sure fire ways to make this recruit regret opening his mouth to his superiors. Article 15 and some duties that are way worse than the one assigned. Restriction to any free time.

Response by AB Steve Range made Mar 26 at 2017 9:32 PM

AB Steve Range — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:32:40 -0400

Duck walk his ass until his ass falls off.

Response by Patrick Monks made Mar 26 at 2017 9:48 PM

Patrick Monks — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:48:14 -0400

Understand praise vs. punishment, and sending everyone out except leader and person is perfect. Called out yet not. Else it's more for after leaving the service. I failed my physical yet knew what to do and how to respond to, what would become my superiors, I knew the ranks, regardless of service, and wanted a boat (again yes a submariner) early 80's but you know the ASVAB non coms used terms I'd never heard but figured them out. They were Army, yes I wanted Navy, but disrespect; never ever an option. They had a job, I did not. I was a civilian. They treated me as they should have. I have many friends who serve, or served, they shall ALWAYS receive my respect for their service and rank.

Response by SGT Richard Lomax made Mar 26 at 2017 10:00 PM

SGT Richard Lomax — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:00:05 -0400

March his ass into the office, notify your Frist Setgeant. Ensure swift discipline action is taken to ensure you set the proper tone for your soldiers. Failure to comply with any order unless it is unlawful needs to be address immediately. This type of behavior should never be tolerated in a military unit.

Response by SFC Dennis Kirkpatrick made Mar 26 at 2017 10:40 PM

SFC Dennis Kirkpatrick — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:40:41 -0400

Gentlemen, I admit, I'm an 'old guy', having started my military career (Navy, then Army) in 1970. I have twice had young, impressionable troops attempt to smart mouth me. Both were invited into "The Office" (usually behind a vehicle where the troops can't see) and I handed said troop(s) their ass. We referred to it as Wall To Wall Counseling. See, I'm 'old school'. I was taught that you praise in public and kick their ass in private. Worked both times, and an added benefit, no one else got the idea that giving me shit was a good idea. I expected my subordinates to lead by my example and backed them (if they were right). On the other hand, I had the respect of my company commander and when I went with a recommendation of disciplinary action, he would take a stripe right there in the field. (only went crying to the CO twice when the insubordination was egregious, to me and a commissioned officer). I had very few problems, but when I did, that's how I dealt with it.

Response by GySgt David Boire made Mar 26 at 2017 10:42 PM

GySgt David Boire — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:42:57 -0400

In the Marine Infantry, LCpl Team Leaders would beat his ass, NCO not needed

Response by SGT James Davis made Mar 26 at 2017 10:45 PM

SGT James Davis — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:45:49 -0400

Wall to wall counseling was still acceptable in my era.

Response by Sgt Timothy Wooton made Mar 26 at 2017 10:46 PM

Sgt Timothy Wooton — Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:46:19 -0400

Explain that if he wins, no more shitty work details, if I win no more questioning orders. Drop blouse. Roll him up. If you cannot do so let someone else be in charge. The Marine corps runs on prison rules. People respect strength and intelligence. Show the shit bird a great deal of both.

Response by PO3 David Kehoe made Mar 27 at 2017 1:35 AM

PO3 David Kehoe — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 01:35:45 -0400

Lighter Fluid & Zippo. ( Cheap one of course, why ruin a perfectly good lighter. )

Response by CPT Stephen Bass made Mar 27 at 2017 4:11 AM

CPT Stephen Bass — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 04:11:42 -0400

give them an article 15

Response by CPT Stephen Bass made Mar 27 at 2017 4:12 AM

CPT Stephen Bass — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 04:12:30 -0400

give them an article 15

Response by Trinity Jenkins made Mar 27 at 2017 7:26 AM

Trinity Jenkins — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 07:26:11 -0400

It takes a certain kind of person to become a disciplined Marine. To want to be a Marine. They are the toughest of our military. Better know your place before opening your mouth. My sister was a Marine. 12 years in. DI at Paris Island. I didn't mess with her growing up. So as my superior. I NEVER would have tested her!!!

Response by Mike Day made Mar 27 at 2017 8:29 AM

Mike Day — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 08:29:37 -0400

Guy has no business questioning an E5

Response by SGT Kebora Cross Turner made Mar 27 at 2017 12:17 PM

SGT Kebora Cross Turner — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:17:40 -0400

Brigade smoking!

Response by Jeramy D. Spoor made Mar 27 at 2017 12:53 PM

Jeramy D. Spoor — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:53:12 -0400

I immediately dismiss everyone and have th dumb ass do everybody's jobs for the rest of the week and PT the rest of his platoon for his mistake.

Response by SrA Sean Womersley made Mar 27 at 2017 1:46 PM

SrA Sean Womersley — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 13:46:48 -0400

As I have transitioned into federal service since separating, I still have had the privilege of working with some great military servicemen and women. So I have seen this occur more often than I wish to.

For every 500 or so terrific military folks I have encountered over the years, you occasionally get that one E1 or E2 that struts around the workplace acting as if there were four stars on his shoulder. The majority of NCOs that have been subjected to this insubordination from what I witnessed generally handle it in a proper and professional manner. When I see a junior enlisted military member "mouth off" to an NCO it does bother me to some degree. But I know it is not my place to say anything and the NCO usually takes care of the problem on the spot. In some cases I have seen the NCO use his/her chain of command wisely to have the insubordinate airman, soldier, sailor, etc reassigned to another office or duty.

Unfortunately there have been a couple of instances where a junior enlisted member has demonstrated has tried to assert authority over me by basically telling me how to to my job. First, I remind the individual that he/she needs to re-read the UCMJ and learn where their line of authority begins and ends. Second, I inform them of my civilian pay grade to state that I technically outrank them and to never address me in an unprofessional manner again. Third, I inform the insubordinate individual's direct military supervisor and let them handle it from there. Like I said, it's not my place to enforce discipline in these situations and I leave that to the proper personnel.

I know there are some instances where using the chain of command doesn't always work. But within a professional office environment such as mine, it is usually the best course of action for an NCO when dealing with an insubordinate E1, E2, etc. This route has generally yielded positive results in favor of the NCO.

Response by Santos Perez made Mar 27 at 2017 3:01 PM

Santos Perez — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:01:12 -0400

If his jaw is strong enough to talk back it's strong enough to hold a jab.

Response by SFC Arthur Hopkins made Mar 27 at 2017 3:59 PM

SFC Arthur Hopkins — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:59:45 -0400

Kick his ass right then. I hit without thinking one time

Response by Reginald Hocker made Mar 27 at 2017 4:06 PM

Reginald Hocker — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:06:26 -0400

discipline for disobeying an order

Response by LTC George Morgan made Mar 27 at 2017 4:33 PM

LTC George Morgan — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:33:58 -0400

Bring him to attention. Have 2 SNCO's Fall In alongside him and march him to the guard room to be charges with "Conduct Prejudicial to Good Order and Discipline"

Response by SrA Joe Wilson made Mar 27 at 2017 5:26 PM

SrA Joe Wilson — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:26:15 -0400

slap him

Response by PO3 Theodore Dusablon made Mar 27 at 2017 6:35 PM

PO3 Theodore Dusablon — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:35:11 -0400

Whatever was needed to motivate his arrogant ass back in line to perform his duties without complaining and being a disrespectful shitbag.

Response by SrA Kent Miller made Mar 27 at 2017 6:42 PM

SrA Kent Miller — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:42:05 -0400

Smoke 'em all! The rest of the squad will make sure it doesn't happen again!

Response by 1SG Bob Del Giorno made Mar 27 at 2017 6:59 PM

1SG Bob Del Giorno — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:59:40 -0400

When I joined-Drill Instructor put you down and punished the whole platoon and the platoon punished you in private---everyone got the message real quick-you are one!!!!!!

Response by SPC Gregory Godek made Mar 27 at 2017 7:09 PM

SPC Gregory Godek — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:09:14 -0400

Do NOT change the job assignment. The other troops need to know that, in the military, like it or not, you have the rank and you are in charge. There has to be a plan, beforehand, to handle this type of insubordination! Extra duty would be a good start. The chain of command should and must back you up on this. The alternative is a breakdown in authority. As far as the "shove it" goes, that's probably an Article 15 offense. Now we get into fine and loss of privilege!

Response by Pete Russell made Mar 27 at 2017 7:13 PM

Pete Russell — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:13:42 -0400

Make a circle and see how tough the recruit is

Response by Dime Slime made Mar 27 at 2017 7:21 PM

Dime Slime — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:21:18 -0400

Who joins the Military and mouths off to a Superior?? An idiot son of an asshole!? Im dumbfounded how PFC dipshit thought this was a viable remark without any physical repercussions.

Response by SPC Manny Quijano made Mar 27 at 2017 7:40 PM

SPC Manny Quijano — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:40:08 -0400

Find the reasoning for the insubordination and evaluate. If the reasoning is flawed then explain and smoke his ass and counsel him. If the insubordination continues cause of his butt being hurt, hurt his pocket with a Article 15. He then will fall in line.

Response by SN Creig Eitreim made Mar 27 at 2017 7:57 PM

SN Creig Eitreim — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:57:49 -0400

KP for a week. and no liberty.

Response by CSM Joseph Briones made Mar 27 at 2017 8:02 PM

CSM Joseph Briones — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:02:27 -0400

If I would have said that back in 1966, blood would have been coming our of my ears, or I'd be laying on the floor after a sleep and hold!

Response by GySgt Oscar Gamez made Mar 27 at 2017 8:45 PM

GySgt Oscar Gamez — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:45:22 -0400

It is hard for me to answer this question, in my military career I never had anyone disrespect me or disobey my instructions, but IF it would happen, I would take the individual aside and council him on his lack of judgement and give him a chance to correct his mistake. If he still failed to act I would request NJP charges be filed on him for Disobedience of a lawful order issued by a NCO. You have to take action immediately. Failure to take action in your part will affect the moral and discipline of your unit. You have to show your troops that in peace or combat you are incharge and your orders no matter how insignificant they may seem to you.

Response by LCpl Lawrence Toledo made Mar 27 at 2017 9:15 PM

LCpl Lawrence Toledo — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:15:37 -0400

I would call them into my area for a private conversation and they would do what I told them to do. And they also would do extra duty on lybo days for their disrespect. And then if they continue they would get NJP.

Response by PO1 Miles Jones made Mar 27 at 2017 9:31 PM

PO1 Miles Jones — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:31:11 -0400

When I was inTheMilitary, things where totally different. There was wall to wall consultation. Also a Matter of Respect

Response by PO1 Miles Jones made Mar 27 at 2017 9:35 PM

PO1 Miles Jones — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:35:55 -0400

I was in the Military 69 Era, Totally different Today

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2017 9:56 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:56:54 -0400

As a new E4 and am wanting to become an NCO in the future, I would ask him to stay behind after formation and remind him that we all as soldiers have jobs to do, these jobs help the machine run, if one cog refuses to spin then the machine comes to a standstill. Of course the dirtiest of jobs aren't really desired but they must be done in order for missions to be completed. Its for the greater good of the team. Now if the soldier had continued to refuse? Then of course corrective action must be taken and a DA 4856 must be written out. This kind of behavior especially in front of a Platoon is completely unacceptable. The punishment should fit the crime. I would have him write a 5 thousand word essay on disrespecting an NCO.

Response by PO1 Robert Mac Isaac made Mar 27 at 2017 9:58 PM

PO1 Robert Mac Isaac — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:58:08 -0400

I would lay some "leadership" on him.

Response by PFC Raul Corona made Mar 27 at 2017 10:43 PM

PFC Raul Corona — Mon, 27 Mar 2017 22:43:27 -0400

I would say it is time for a blanket party. We are trained as a team ,one unit if one team member fails we all do. Especially in combat it could cost the life one of your team members.

Response by PO3 Bill Hansen made Mar 28 at 2017 12:11 AM

PO3 Bill Hansen — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:11:34 -0400

I know times have changed since the early '70's when I served aboard destroyers, but I failed to follow a simple command from an E-6, we were in a new foreign port exchanging currency and they passed the word to Report to Quarters..it was standard practice in order to give us the same info about VD, when to be back on board, be good, etc..I was nearly up to the cash guy and my friends behind me gave me their money to exchange and said they'd tell the Chief...but this 1st Class came by and told me to get up to Quarters..I tried to explain..Nope..GIT. I didn't. Five minutes later I show up, cash in hand...my friends want nothing to do with me...as the Chief zooms in...Not only do I get nary a sound out..my ass gets chewed like it had never..ever been chewed before...and I then spent an hour in a steam locker cleaning air vent filters with a high-pressure steam hose. I must have lost 5 pounds in there. The chief asked if I learned my lesson..OH HELL YEAH. After that I didn't care how stupid an order...I polished brightwork in the rain once...I did it.

Response by SSG Nick Tramontano made Mar 28 at 2017 12:30 AM

SSG Nick Tramontano — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:30:21 -0400

The 'Gunny's' response is the best. Unlike when my uncle was a Marine in 1960 , the NCO isn't allowed to kick his ass. Maybe the military needs to go back to that. Of course you can PT the individual to death or if the problem persists I suppose UCMJ action would have to be implemented.

Response by GySgt Ken Norwood made Mar 28 at 2017 1:36 AM

GySgt Ken Norwood — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 01:36:47 -0400

In 1973 I was a young Sgt (E5) and a young LCpl (E3) stated quite clearly while in formation he was not going to follow the order for a detail I had given him. I said LCpl X I have just given you a lawful order to do Y, are you refusing to follow this order? He stated he was. I asked the entire Platoon if anyone else would like to join LCpl X in having a charge sheet placed on them for article 92? That afternoon he was an E2! As Gunny Pepper said, "It must be nipped in the bud quickly..."

Response by GySgt Ken Norwood made Mar 28 at 2017 1:52 AM

GySgt Ken Norwood — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 01:52:03 -0400

In 1974 I was a young Sgt (E5) with about 4 months time in grade when, in formation, a LCpl (E3) refuse an order I had given him. Many of the NCOs in the section often complained about a lack of discipline. I ask the LCpl if he understood the order inhad given him and did he understand refusal was a violation of article 92? I asked the Platoon if anyone else wanted to join LCpl X? None did. That afternoon LCpl X was a PFC (E2) and I NEVER had anyone else, in the entire company, disobey any lawful order I ever gave after that one instance.

Response by SPC Gary Durham made Mar 28 at 2017 7:01 AM

SPC Gary Durham — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:01:27 -0400

Same way I was brought in Massachusetts punishment

Response by LCpl Fritz Stadig made Mar 28 at 2017 7:15 AM

LCpl Fritz Stadig — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:15:46 -0400

I would take him to a private place and tell him in no uncertain terms what he is going to do!

Response by CW4 Robert C. made Mar 28 at 2017 7:42 AM

CW4 Robert C. — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:42:22 -0400

Well first off if he embarrasses me in formation after I give him instructions to do something, then you can bet your bottom dollar ass that he is going to get embarrassed in front of his peers. Don't think that you come to my formation and then have the balls to back talk me and then expect me to take you to a private place to talk, Oh Hell No!!!! Then if you continued to get lippy then we make a march for the Platoon Sergeants Office and take it from there and oh by the way I am authorized to grab you and move you to where I want you to go. That is the problem with the military today, we have to many people that want to make a day job. Well it's not it is 24/7 365 and you are on recall at all times. Don't ever think that you have to stand down because someone talks back, if we let that happen then we will be seen as weak. It seems as we are going backwards instead of forwards.

Response by SFC Keith Seago made Mar 28 at 2017 9:19 AM

SFC Keith Seago — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:19:52 -0400

I think it might depend a little on your branch of service and job specialty. I was in the Army in a combat MOS. Failure to instantly follow my orders could mean death to all. in peace time with a work assignment I would write him up without hesitation. In my time, if were in the field in peace time I'd beat the crap out of him. If I thought I couldn't I'd get help. This would be the first infraction the second I would drum him out of the service. I was also a recruiter and Station Commander and in that capacity I would never do the later. It would all be paperwork.

Response by SP5 Michael Westfall made Mar 28 at 2017 9:37 AM

SP5 Michael Westfall — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:37:53 -0400

whole squad drop and give me 50.....they will straighten him out later

Response by Terrance Dishneau made Mar 28 at 2017 9:43 AM

Terrance Dishneau — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:43:04 -0400

Every child is supposed to be able and should follow orders. Unless the gentleman is told to do something morally wrong or unlawful, the person in charge may request that the young person change his mind. The officer should do as a father would do, take away something from the individual. An example would be to that evening declare his bunk off-limits and the soldier must sleep on the floor no pillow just a sheet and a blanket. Also, the E5 could send the person to a "head doctor" to be encouraged to re-examine why he is in the army. If the person changes their attitude then he ought to be commended, if not, additional discipline should be assigned by the "head doctor" appropriate if no change then a dis-honorable discharge from the Army which would be noted by any civilian employer in any interview.

Response by TSgt Mark Smith made Mar 28 at 2017 10:49 AM

TSgt Mark Smith — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:49:05 -0400

Life would become very difficult for the young man! As others stated, I would direct the E2 to remain where he was, dismiss the others, and have a heart to heart with him. I never cared for giving paperwork to slackers or insubordinates. One time during the early '90s, I gathered my guys and asked for a 2 volunteers for a crappy job. My 2 best stood up & said they'd do whatever was needed. I sent them home for a 3 day weekend & kept the 3 slackers back and "supervised" them cleaning the toilets. Toothbrush style. Normally, I had very few slackers, but when I did, I didn't mind taking away any free time they might have coming.

Response by Maj Lois Thompson made Mar 28 at 2017 11:25 AM

Maj Lois Thompson — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:25:41 -0400

What you are describing is insubordination. You may want to warn him of a Letter of Reprimand, if it happens again.

Response by SPC Wayne Anthis made Mar 28 at 2017 12:30 PM

SPC Wayne Anthis — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:30:23 -0400

that E2 would be doing KP for about the next 60 days

Response by CPL John Christy made Mar 28 at 2017 1:22 PM

CPL John Christy — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:22:14 -0400

stand up as a soldier and follow an direct standing order

Response by SPC Christopher Romine made Mar 28 at 2017 1:28 PM

SPC Christopher Romine — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:28:53 -0400

At this point its already gone to far! You start smoking his bags in front of all his peers, flutter kicks, front back go's etc. Until you get tired! There is no room for this in the military!

Response by MGySgt Gerry Sweeten made Mar 28 at 2017 1:47 PM

MGySgt Gerry Sweeten — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:47:06 -0400

GySgt Pepper is right....this has to be nipped in the bud and quickly. Take the idiot aside and let him/her know how this is going to end. And if it continues, that individual will be facing an Article 32 with poss brig/demotion/discharge.

Response by PV2 Henry Citti made Mar 28 at 2017 1:54 PM

PV2 Henry Citti — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:54:15 -0400

Have E-2 dumb ass, do pushups till he drops from exhaustion

Response by SSgt Scott Taylor made Mar 28 at 2017 2:51 PM

SSgt Scott Taylor — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:51:06 -0400

Hmmm....Let's see, first I would call out the team leader and have him take said soon to be dead meat PFC to the side and detain him there until I was finished the other soldiers. Once finished with them, I would calmly explain to him that either followed lawful orders or the consequences will be dire. To punctuate the meaning I would then have the team lead take said moron PFC out to the PT field and run him until said PFC puked his guts out and then run him some more. If that didn't take the starch out of his shorts, then I'd put him on report.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Mar 28 at 2017 2:56 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:56:20 -0400

We had that problem once when I was in. A SP4 (Specialist) from 2nd Fire told an E-5 from an A&T platoon to F off after the Sergeant gave the SP4 an order. The SPC was arrested and sent to the stockade in Mannheim for three months under a new colonel. He returned a completely different person. The charge was something like disobeying the lawful order of an NCO. We were all surprised. The SPC was very short by the time he came back from the Heim as an E-1 and he was convinced he was no longer Special Forces material nor was he a lifer. He wanted to keep his head down, do whatever they told him and get out.

Response by 2LT Will Lockhart made Mar 28 at 2017 4:04 PM

2LT Will Lockhart — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:04:21 -0400

Sounds like a soldier who doesn't want to be there. If race or gender is a factor, I would suggest being careful and have another NCO present when you verbally discipline the soldier away from the others. Keep in mind that if there is one thing the military loves to do is, screw an NCO for harassing an junior soldier.

Response by SSG John Douglas made Mar 28 at 2017 4:26 PM

SSG John Douglas — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:26:03 -0400

Grass drills tell i get tired.

Response by CPL Jeffrey Fleming made Mar 28 at 2017 4:29 PM

CPL Jeffrey Fleming — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:29:11 -0400

While the E2 is standing at attention the rest of the group is now doing push-ups etc. all on account of the E2, that would only be the start of it.. For the next 24 hrs no one would sleep and be doing crap details except the E2.. pillow parties will fix this issue.

Response by A1C Eric Shafer made Mar 28 at 2017 6:03 PM

A1C Eric Shafer — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:03:19 -0400

Inform them that if they do not accept this assignment there are other jobs worse than this one.

Response by LCDR Jiles Hinson made Mar 28 at 2017 6:51 PM

LCDR Jiles Hinson — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:51:57 -0400

Push ups

Response by SPC Josh Dionio made Mar 28 at 2017 7:01 PM

SPC Josh Dionio — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:01:10 -0400

First, I'd take his team leader and him into a private room so no other joes can see. Next, I'd have a discussion with both about the joe's attitude. If the team leader says he'll take care of it from now on, I'll let him or her deal with the issue. If the joe wants to keep acting up, then he'll receive negative counselings while doing corrective training and extra duty. I'd make sure he'd never get promoted after E-3 until he understood his attitude and behavior isn't that of a future NCO.

Response by SFC Valerie Liverman made Mar 28 at 2017 7:07 PM

SFC Valerie Liverman — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:07:40 -0400

As it is a custom to be nice and ask questions. In today's sad, no respect and my arm hurts Army. We have lost the ability to do justice, when a subordinate mouths off. It should have been handled in the beginning, the pvt tells his higher up about the situation. Not the pvt getting mouthy, that would never even happened with REAL SOLDIERS. Today's army is just warriors (weak and not understanding what the uniform really means). Ask a Vietnam or Korean war veteran what the uniform means. Guess I was beat down too many times as a PFC.

Response by SP5 Jeff Garner made Mar 28 at 2017 7:22 PM

SP5 Jeff Garner — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:22:27 -0400

I'd ask another NCO to be a witness, then I'd explain the consequences for being insubordinate and give the E2 the direct order for the third time. If the E2 again refused to do as ordered I'd ask my witness to find the Plt Sgt. I'd explain to situation to the Plt. Sgt. and ask him to repeat the order to the E2. If the E2 again refused to do as ordered my inclination would be to escort him/her to the orderly room with the witness & the Plt. Sgt. and begin the process for punishment. I don't care why he was insubordinate such behavior is unacceptable and detrimental to the discipline and cohesiveness of the unit.

Response by Sgt George Lawrence made Mar 28 at 2017 7:39 PM

Sgt George Lawrence — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:39:42 -0400

Wouldn't even happen in the Corps, at least not when I served. That young PFC would be a former PFC standing tall at Office Hours, maybe a bit of brig time to help with the attitude adjustment.

Response by April Smelcer made Mar 28 at 2017 7:53 PM

April Smelcer — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:53:48 -0400

"BRIG"!!!!!!

Response by 1LT Walton Green made Mar 28 at 2017 7:55 PM

1LT Walton Green — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:55:42 -0400

He would be broke for a long time, want know what off post was.

Response by LCpl Jason Reasor made Mar 28 at 2017 9:46 PM

LCpl Jason Reasor — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:46:09 -0400

How did he decide that his opinion supersedes his superiors? What did he do to earn that position?

Response by SrA Henry Wilson made Mar 28 at 2017 11:03 PM

SrA Henry Wilson — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:03:27 -0400

He and I would have VERY PRIVATE NOW AB meeting

Response by Cpl Joe Thmpson made Mar 28 at 2017 11:11 PM

Cpl Joe Thmpson — Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:11:02 -0400

Not sure where this is going. This is a picture if a DI at a Marine Corps Recruit Training (boot camp). Chances are quite slim this is an E2 (PFC). While I made meritorious PFC during boot camp, its pretty uncommon. Also, an E5 is an E5 (SGT based on this picture). Perhaps you should just pose a question without a picture.

Response by CPO William Zaczek made Mar 29 at 2017 12:23 AM

CPO William Zaczek — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:23:18 -0400

Praise in public, punish in private. But this insubordination must be stopped before you loose all control of command.

Response by CPL Terrance Adams made Mar 29 at 2017 3:37 AM

CPL Terrance Adams — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 03:37:45 -0400

i'd give him one more chance to change his thinking before i put him down for disobeying a senior nco

Response by PO1 David Coughlin made Mar 29 at 2017 9:02 AM

PO1 David Coughlin — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 09:02:20 -0400

Write his ass up and continue to assign him the same job. Each time he refuses, it's another charge.

Response by CPL Ben Jaramillo made Mar 29 at 2017 9:38 AM

CPL Ben Jaramillo — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 09:38:07 -0400

Lock his ass up, and then put him in the leaning rest position, untile he cant pick his head up from the ground . It worked for me.

Response by CW2 Michael Vrabel made Mar 29 at 2017 10:23 AM

CW2 Michael Vrabel — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 10:23:24 -0400

Tell him to shut up, talk to him after formation, counsel him and find out what the problem is and act accordingly

Response by Steve Anderson made Mar 29 at 2017 10:35 AM

Steve Anderson — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 10:35:18 -0400

100 pushups

Response by SPC Christian Harris made Mar 29 at 2017 10:54 AM

SPC Christian Harris — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 10:54:16 -0400

PFC "Special Boy" is having an optical malfunction. He does not see that he is a part of a functioning machine that does not break down. Showing PFC the strength of this machine may motivate him. Everyone needs to drop and do pushups accept PFC "Special Boy". while PFC "Special Boy" counts off each push up for everyone else, his optical malfunction should repair it's self. He will begin to see he is a part of something that does not easily give up or just stop functioning. As all other solders recover, PFC "Special Boy" will be able to see the value of his assignment for the day and his optical malfunction should be completely repaired. If not, the machine he is a part of, has a way of helping him with his optical malfunction.

Response by Cpl Mark Stahl made Mar 29 at 2017 12:08 PM

Cpl Mark Stahl — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 12:08:12 -0400

Immediately turn said PFCs life and his squad leader and his team leaders lives upside down and shake until all of the stupid falls out (NCO decides what techniques to use in the "shaking" process). Rinse and repeat for desired effect. Return PFC to APD, post "life shaking ceremony", weather in private or in front of the entire unit. Either way you will know what type of Marine PFC will be shortly after concluding "shaking ceremony", wait on results. If results are positive continue to guide and mold PFC into a functioning and serviceable Marine. If results are unfavorable, apply pen to dat azz and make him/her mama's problem. If your car breaks down it is usually because of something that started simple and the snowball effect ensued. The same thing can be said of good order and discipline in a military unit. You don't get to pick and choose what orders you WANT to follow. Instant obedience to orders, no questions, no feelings just results. After the dust settles and everything calms down and you are able to determine weather this Marine is able to maintain or begins a downward spiral, that is when I would or would not, depending on the PFC's reaction to "unf*!@ing procedures", pull them in and ask about their life and what might have caused such an outburst. Mission accomplishment 1st, troop welfare second, OOH RAH!!!!

Response by SSgt Steven Kramer made Mar 29 at 2017 1:45 PM

SSgt Steven Kramer — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:45:18 -0400

Give them a worse job, or council them before considering an article 15.

Response by SPC Marty Storms made Mar 29 at 2017 2:19 PM

SPC Marty Storms — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 14:19:49 -0400

I would finish handing out the rest of the work for the day before I would address him and make sure to keep a battle buddy behind for him to ensure there is a witness to his write up for his blatant disrespect and for his corrective training I would have him do that duty that he spoke out about for the rest of the week so he would learn that a private in the military doesn't get the right to choose what duties to do or not.

Response by Sgt George Mckinney made Mar 29 at 2017 3:08 PM

Sgt George Mckinney — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 15:08:28 -0400

make sure E2 realizes he is in the wrong - explain this along with what possible outcomes there could be and give him a chance to apologize and recant or suffer military consequences under UCMJ

Response by Sam Carter made Mar 29 at 2017 4:48 PM

Sam Carter — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:48:14 -0400

Ignore him at first, then pull him to the side and give him a piece of your mind. Or you can humiliate him in front of the men to teach him a lesson.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2017 5:20 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 17:20:28 -0400

HALF RIGHT...

Response by SPC Bogus Cornett made Mar 29 at 2017 8:22 PM

SPC Bogus Cornett — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 20:22:36 -0400

Half right face front leaning Rest! Knocking out numbnuts

Response by LCpl Barney Wilkinson made Mar 29 at 2017 9:34 PM

LCpl Barney Wilkinson — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:34:55 -0400

Push ups till the world changes direction or office hours and all kinds of extra duty

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 9:18 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Mar 2017 09:18:56 -0400

I know this isn't a correct response in this day and age of the military but this cat would find my size 5.5 wife so far up his ass the water on my knee would quench his thirst..and he would forever be on shit detail until he learned...

Response by SSG Michael Price made Mar 30 at 2017 1:46 PM

SSG Michael Price — Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:46:56 -0400

As the senior Sgt, i would have taken the Pvt and his Sq Ldr into the office . First the sqd ldr and informed him that he will MAKE sure Pvt never pulles this mess again. Then bring in Pvt and inform him that he has shown disrepect and disobeyed a lawful order from a NCO. Then ask Pvt do u want to continue in the service? His answer will dictacte if he stay's or goes.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2017 5:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Mar 2017 17:39:22 -0400

I would "Crush him" so fast his head would spin like top.

Response by SSG John Culin made Mar 30 at 2017 6:33 PM

SSG John Culin — Thu, 30 Mar 2017 18:33:44 -0400

Smoke him right there and in public. Show everyone that this kind action is mandatory to an obvious lack of respect and motivation. In the front leaning rest position a e3 can reflect on his piss poor responce.

Response by MSgt James Cameron made Apr 1 at 2017 10:21 AM

MSgt James Cameron — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 10:21:14 -0400

Place the E2 in charge of the formation and take them all out for Physical Training (all day)

Response by Sgt Dexter Bridges made Apr 1 at 2017 11:36 AM

Sgt Dexter Bridges — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 11:36:37 -0400

Step into my office PRIVATE!!! Leave no identifying marks when he crawls back out!!!

Response by MSgt Al Ingram made Apr 1 at 2017 2:09 PM

MSgt Al Ingram — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 14:09:23 -0400

The foolish young troop will not only do the assigned task today but for the next week or until I'm convinced they have figured out where they fit in the BIG machine! I had this happen with a work detail ONCE! We had 25-30 double doors with brass knobs and large cover plates on both sides. Over the next 2 weeks she polished all of them! From then on I was known to the work details that came to our building as "Sgt. Brass"!

Response by CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw made Apr 1 at 2017 2:22 PM

CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 14:22:35 -0400

I really hate to say this, but this issue depends on which era of Leaders you are talking about. In my Old School Military Experiences, there would be no tolerance at all regarding insubordination of any kind. Today though, a Superior has to weigh his reaction with the Modern Adopted Rules and Regulations to keep from ending or destroying their Careers!!! It's probably good I retired when I did. No Offense Intended with today's Leaders but I'm Old School Military and my Watch is over as I Stood Relieved in 2002! Doc Bradshaw

Response by Sgt Michael Daubert made Apr 1 at 2017 8:05 PM

Sgt Michael Daubert — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 20:05:56 -0400

Gunny has it right

Response by SGT David Florez made Apr 1 at 2017 9:21 PM

SGT David Florez — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 21:21:39 -0400

Calmly explain to the private how failing to follow a legal command by an NCO can lead to disciplinary actions on the U.C.M.J. and then smoke his ass in the yard until the remaining soldiers complete the daily duties. Both should drive discipline into the Private without having to go the article 15 route.

Response by Cpl Kenneth Rousey made Apr 1 at 2017 9:38 PM

Cpl Kenneth Rousey — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 21:38:36 -0400

Give to someone else and give him a more shitty detail again and again and again until he's had enough and give it to him again . Eventually have a face to face to find out what his problem is with taking orders .

Response by James Kratzer made Apr 1 at 2017 10:20 PM

James Kratzer — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 22:20:27 -0400

My Father was a Gunnery Sergeant in the United States Marine Corps. I would do as my Father done me and slap the shit out of him before he finished his sentence.

Response by CPO Joseph Tipton made Apr 1 at 2017 10:32 PM

CPO Joseph Tipton — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 22:32:03 -0400

I would then tell him he has now just volunteered to do that task every day until he understands to a where he went wrong talking back to a senior NCO or until he transfer out of your unit. Too bad we can't just take him out back and give him some one on one training like in the old days.

Response by Laura Medley made Apr 1 at 2017 11:25 PM

Laura Medley — Sat, 01 Apr 2017 23:25:28 -0400

Request 50 push ups

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2017 12:20 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 00:20:26 -0400

The fix is simple. Document on formal counseling and assigned corrective training which fits the inappropriate behavior until default workable attitude is obtained. If not, continue further counseling and forward to chain for chapter process out on failure to adapt because defective soldiers drain the purpose of the mission and valuable time from the nco which keeps them away from training a squad or platoon for war.

Response by SSG Jerry Kelly made Apr 2 at 2017 1:54 AM

SSG Jerry Kelly — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 01:54:19 -0400

i would remind him of what he should have learned in boot camp about lawful and direct orders explain to him clearly how the army works , no matter how insufficient a task might seem the directive to carry out an order must be followed,because the Army works as a team ,,the lives of others and the mission ,may rely upon him to understand and follow orders.and also to carry out those orders to the best of his ability., Ask him again if he clearly understands this. If he does, reassign the task to him Establish immediate remedial punishment for his insubordination " besides the task set forth, and if that works fine, you do not have to carry this matter out any further,

Response by Sgt Aaron Pixler made Apr 2 at 2017 8:17 AM

Sgt Aaron Pixler — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 08:17:27 -0400

The drill instructors build on what the parents instill. Today we have a softer weaker generation. The threat of NJP takes away the tools we need as leaders. Thrash his assistant until he can't get up. Break his mind until he's nothing. Build him back up tough. In the mean time he's on every shot detail you can throw his way. To bad we can't beat people any more. It's the corps. We are not supposed to be soft. Mouths like that get people killed in combat.

Response by SFC Clifford Tanner made Apr 2 at 2017 9:24 AM

SFC Clifford Tanner — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 09:24:32 -0400

I would do it in the same manner as it was shown to me back in the 70s. Take him out to the wood-line and show him the error of his ways

Response by Dennis Bonfiglio made Apr 2 at 2017 10:06 AM

Dennis Bonfiglio — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 10:06:59 -0400

There is a job to be done, you are training for the job, the training is tough because the job is tough, the training is making you tough, so you can preform the job.
Sometimes people don't like doing what needs to be done, but it has to be done.

Response by FA John Roman made Apr 2 at 2017 8:56 PM

FA John Roman — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 20:56:21 -0400

Report it to the Chief Petty Officer on Duty at the time.

Response by Jeffery Shaffer made Apr 2 at 2017 9:19 PM

Jeffery Shaffer — Sun, 02 Apr 2017 21:19:48 -0400

I would make him do drills and make his life a living hell and he would learn to respect commanding officer.

Response by SPC Geoffrey Jenkins made Apr 4 at 2017 7:35 AM

SPC Geoffrey Jenkins — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 07:35:46 -0400

remind the subordinate where his place is in the chain of command and give his ass some extra duty,

Response by PFC Adam Gregory made Apr 4 at 2017 8:39 AM

PFC Adam Gregory — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 08:39:52 -0400

I'm a bit old school before stress cards and women in the infantry (not saying the latter is bad just different then what i was use to). In the words of Major Payne "I'm gonna make you strong". I would smoke that cherry until he couldn't walk, Him and his team leader. Push them to succeed or quit. With that attitude please quit.

Response by PO1 Ed Roller made Apr 4 at 2017 8:40 AM

PO1 Ed Roller — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 08:40:02 -0400

I agree with GySgt Pepper. Nip it in the bud and quickly. Over the years I've learned to hold my tongue in front of others but take them aside and let them know EXACTLY what they were doing wrong and were going to do, no ifs ands , or buts. I made the mistake of talking back to a superior once back in the 80's. He pulled a contract and showed me where I was only guaranteed 1 hour sleep a day and held me to that for nearly 4 months. I had a new understanding at that point. In the end, he admitted he was wrong but for me to talk back in front of others was also wrong. We shook hands and he even commended me on taking it.

Response by SPC Alex Butterfield made Apr 4 at 2017 8:41 AM

SPC Alex Butterfield — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 08:41:00 -0400

You must follow all lawful orders period. Have them and they're stand by after formation and lay out the expectations. If they are going to have a hard time follow orders then it's time for an ART-15, counselling or both bottom line is the military is a combat organisation and when the shit hits the fan there's no time for individuals.

Response by SSgt George Ransom made Apr 4 at 2017 9:05 AM

SSgt George Ransom — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:05:15 -0400

Give them the assignment. Then give them the choice, Do the job or report to the first sergeant, on report.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2017 9:05 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:05:16 -0400

I almost chocked with my morning coffee reading this post and some of the replies. Be nice and ask what happen because the little shit face might commit suicide. Lord come save our MIlitary. If we have that type of SM that they can't obey the simplest of orders what will happed when they are in commbat? Really, the lets ask what's going on does not apply here. This is insubordination. I would have his Supervisors impart discipline and after all was said and done, investigate onto why the little shitface acted like he owned the world. Hell if I see a SGT shitting flowers and giving out hugs for insubordination to a wet behind the ear E2, I would get that platoon leader and platoon SGT and ensure that all in that platoon know how to follow lawful orders. I would not want that type of cancer infecting my over platoons. I would make it my 1SG priority to ensure training on the correct way to follow lawful orders, adding a smiggen of of Army love and plenty of PT rewards were followed all around. Just as a vaccination to the rest of my platoons. I refuse to take pancies to be around Afhaganis and go to the land of the at-any-minute-there-might-be-a-crazy-trying-to-kill-us that would cause the lives of ANY of my Soldier. And that is how I see it. In the mean time I would start the paperwork on his Art 15 and have it in handy just in case he tries the I have been mistreated shit..... I'll get together with Jag to see how to get that E2 out before that cancer spreads on my other Soldiers if he is a think-headed SOB. I must get a fresh cup-O-coffee!

Response by SFC William Sutherland III made Apr 4 at 2017 9:24 AM

SFC William Sutherland III — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:24:17 -0400

Years ago at a Joint Training Facility I was advised that a certain E4 acted negatively to what was directed as Joint Command Directives; his response to an E7 was he is a Marine and they do their tastings differently! My response was this - you have two options Marine as I cornered him to the side as not to make an incident even more obvious; you can follow me to the Commanders office where we would summon the Dean of Admissions and they will type your rescinding orders sendind you back to your duty station with a no-go and fail or, you will take orders as given! (And I emphasized that the outgoing process is to notify his command of his failure to follow orders which is an Article 15). His response was a resounding-"No, Sergeant 1st Class I'll do as instructed!"

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Apr 4 at 2017 9:52 AM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:52:28 -0400

When I was a Sgt...in Okinawa... I may or may not have had a smart ass remark thrown my way during a formation. I may or may not have reached across someone and smack someone in the face with my clipboard and offer to meet and discuss in the conference alley between the warehouse after formation. He declined, supposedly, and his peers piled on telling him he was way out of line, I'm guessing... Had another incident where a new L/Cpl, upon meeting one of our MSgts commented...'you're kind of fat for a MSgt aren't you?'.... The MSgt said he was working on it but right now he needed a LCpl for the wash rack where a half dozen PFC's and L/Cpls were washing down aircraft... Every 10 min or so, the MSgt would take away one of the crew...in a few minutes only the loud mouth was washing the bird...After a couple days, it finally dawned on said L/Cpl, whereby he apologized for his rudeness. Two different examples ...either case, civility was restored.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2017 11:01 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 11:01:07 -0400

Imagine this. Your a salty lance in the same situation but it's a boot POG Cpl that picked up after the same time with no deployments and he smarts off during mcmap PT while he's being a fat lazy turd and you call him out. And you get kicked out of the marine corps for it. FUSMC. Bunch of sensitive pussies

Response by CW4 Peter McHugh made Apr 4 at 2017 12:21 PM

CW4 Peter McHugh — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 12:21:39 -0400

...could you hold up your " I need a safe space" card?

Response by SCPO Burt Crapo made Apr 4 at 2017 1:27 PM

SCPO Burt Crapo — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 13:27:21 -0400

I would have him fall out and be escorted back to the command for disciplinary action to follow. The carry on smartly.

Response by Cpl Eric Dunn made Apr 4 at 2017 1:43 PM

Cpl Eric Dunn — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 13:43:33 -0400

I'd break into pieces

Response by SSG Kenneth Hammes made Apr 4 at 2017 3:00 PM

SSG Kenneth Hammes — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 15:00:27 -0400

I have dealt with this before. It typically ended with the Soldier and squad dealing with his unfinished detail as well as counseling. Due to the blatant disrespect, I would have recommended a Summarized Article 15. If 1SG wanted to give him/her a second chance, I would work it out so that the Soldier found out when we both met with the 1SG and then as 1SG and I "discussed" the situation have it known that the next instance of this behavior would result in a Company Grade. (Of course this COA would be discussed with 1SG ahead of time.)

On a side note, as a Sergeant (E5) I once had a Soldier tell me he didn't have to do what I told him because his oath of enlistment only required him to obey the officers appointed over him. I informed him that I was a Non-Commissioned OFFICER and I WAS one of those officers appointed over him. I guess he thought he only had to obey commissioned officers. lol

Response by PO2 Ruben Canales made Apr 4 at 2017 3:22 PM

PO2 Ruben Canales — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 15:22:43 -0400

Cut it out before it becomes a virus

Response by SFC Walter Troy made Apr 4 at 2017 4:58 PM

SFC Walter Troy — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:58:33 -0400

SFC Retired Walt Troy: Have PFC Dummy research Article 92, UCMJ and pick out his punishment.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2017 6:50 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 18:50:36 -0400

Hard quick direct correction. Gunny hit it on the head. If he remains defiant, thank you for your service have a nice day!

Response by SP6 Skip Evans made Apr 4 at 2017 7:45 PM

SP6 Skip Evans — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 19:45:46 -0400

In my day, an Article 15 was justified.

Response by SFC Bill Otinger made Apr 4 at 2017 8:10 PM

SFC Bill Otinger — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 20:10:59 -0400

Unless its an Emergency Never ask anyone to do anything you will not do yourself , Go help do the work for a little bit to show them , After one month all my Troops give me 110%, or More, I used DEMOCRATIC Leadership a Lot it makes people feel like part of the TEAM, However if Necessary I could use AUTHORITARIAN and No One wanted to see me in that State of Mind

Different ways to Handle a Situation, the Shit head Correction Officers caused most of the Problems at Twin Rivers Correction Center Monroe WA where I worked for One Year , We got the 6 Bad ones Put out on Coyote Duty around the Outside of the Prison and Things got better for Everyone
Some Situations call for the Best Man to be put in Charge, I was only Promoted 8 years ahead of the People in my Primary of 6 MOS'S Sent in to Fix many Messes, More than Once I had people that out ranked me In the Military Ordered to Work for me Some of them were seen Crying, after the Crisis was Corrected then I moved on

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 4 at 2017 8:41 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 20:41:32 -0400

March him to a place visible to the formation but too far for talking. Leave him there and get on about your business

Response by Michael Plake made Apr 4 at 2017 9:47 PM

Michael Plake — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 21:47:58 -0400

This isn't a pie eating contest...this is the military. When you are given a proper order (i.e. an order that is not illegal or inappropriate) you follow it! I'd give him the same choice my dad gave me growing up. You will follow the order ricky tik or there will be consequences and I don't care which you choose!

Response by TSgt Carl Rich made Apr 4 at 2017 10:26 PM

TSgt Carl Rich — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 22:26:47 -0400

Letter of Reprimand for sure, he or she needs to get the message that even simple sounding work assignments are still orders. I hear tales from friends still on active duty that SO MUCH has changed regarding discipline. Troops are getting soft and disrespectful and this sort of behavior is almost encouraged! Sorry, these types of attitudes and disrespect just don't work in the military. Get out and join the Cub Scouts, NOT the Boy Scouts. You are a danger to others and you should go back to live with mommy.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2017 10:42 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 22:42:27 -0400

Me being a E-1. I know that I would not smart mouth a higher ranking soldier simply for the fact that it is rude and doesn't follow the army values, which I feel really are a key point to being a successful army. If I was that E-5 I would put that soldier in his place and remind him of the rules of respect the Drill Sargents tought us in basic.

Response by CPL Kent Adkins made Apr 4 at 2017 10:56 PM

CPL Kent Adkins — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 22:56:24 -0400

pt his ass until I got tired

Response by SGT John Howard made Apr 5 at 2017 1:41 AM

SGT John Howard — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 01:41:37 -0400

Send the rest of your troops out of the barracks quickly-tell them you have to handle the situation with a soon-to-be former soldier. Have him put his gear down and stand next to a wall-at attention. Quietly, but firmly explain that disobeying an order in a combat situation is a criminal offense and could resolved with a bullet in the back of the head. In peacetime it could mean charges that lead to a dishonorable discharge which will ruin every day of that young man's life. If he has a problem with something, tell him you'll talk with him at the end of the day-after he finishes his assigned duty. If he doesn't like the military he can see the CO for a General Discharge-McDonalds always needs a fry cook. Tell him, in no uncertain terms, that you're the boss, and disobeying or refusing an order from a superior will land him in more trouble than he can imagine In '68, I had an E3 refuse his KP duty and was going bed. Five minutes later two MPs escorted him out of the barracks-that sent a message to everyone.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2017 6:33 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 06:33:01 -0400

destroy his soul, point blank, period, .com for all those googles out there. I would disassemble his ass like an M4, put him back together, conduct a functions check on him to make sure he was firing within the proper parameters and if not, I would tag his ass Non-Mission Capable and send his ass to the Depot yard. All Soldiers Love Discipline, that's why they joined the military. Always remember its the politicians who don't like discipline, not the troops. Charging hard produces Hard chargers!!! Lead the fight and fight to lead, that the moto I stand by. I am no old school Soldier, but I was raised by an old school soldier who would have stuck his spit shined boot right up my 4th point of contact if I disrespected him and I have always looked at my seniors in the same light.

Response by SGM Forest1965 . made Apr 5 at 2017 9:42 AM

SGM Forest1965 . — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 09:42:42 -0400

Alot of you guys are looking at a small problem here, however, the big problem is, "What is the enviorment of this Command where an E-2, with less than a year, is not the least bit afraid to talk to an NCO in this manner. CSM Pendry stated in his book "3 Meter Zone" that the number one problem of a "3 Meter Soldier" is the "3 Meter NCO/Leader!!!!" Leaders set the standards that they want their soldiers to follow. If an E-2 is mouthing off to an NCO; I can almost guarantee that this NCO is part of the problem. During my first week as a fresh 1st Sergeant to this unit, I witnessed a female E-4 arguing with an NCO. After it was over, I did not immediately address the soldier, I immediately chewed the NCO entire butthole out. He was the problem because he allowed a soldier to get that comfortable to believe that she could get away with this bull!!!!! Don't get me wrong, I did not allow the soldier to get away with this, however, the bigger issue was the soldiers' leadership.
Now, this is how I would've dealt with this problem. Earlier, someone made the comment of giving "praise" in the front and reprimand behind close door. Technically, he is correct and that being all fine and dandy working in a perfect world, however, if a soldier is disrespectful/insubordinate to a leader in front of others. That leader must and should discipline this individual in front of that same group. We never want the lunatics to think that they are running the insane asylum. Get into his ass where the offense occurred and then document it and provide him with alot of "PUNITIVE" remedial training after hours. I am stating this again, "NCOS/LEADERS SET THE STANDARDS THAT THEY WANT THEIR SOLDIERS/SUBORDINATES TO FOLLOW!!!" Please an E-2 with less than a year of service mouthing off to an NCO. SMH!!!!!!

Response by Shaun Anderson made Apr 5 at 2017 10:38 AM

Shaun Anderson — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 10:38:55 -0400

You signed up in an organization that deals in the chain of command. Do as your told.

Response by SSG Harrison C Jenkins made Apr 5 at 2017 1:45 PM

SSG Harrison C Jenkins — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 13:45:50 -0400

I would place PV2 Whoever at parade rest, remind him or her of their General Order number (2). Discipline is a must and then make him/her give a class on following military lawful orders. Last but not least if he/she doesn't comply, then I would have no choice but to PT the dog shit outta them, give them a Article 15 and or recommend a court martial and confinement.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2017 2:09 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:09:33 -0400

If they want to disrespect and embarrass me, well it's only fair to punish them. They'd be in the front leaning rest real quick. If they continued to act as such, they would also be facing an article 15 for disrespecting a noncommissioned officer, and be put on extra duty.

Response by Ty Gonalez made Apr 5 at 2017 5:03 PM

Ty Gonalez — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:03:50 -0400

SMOKE HIM AND THE PLATOON, THEY ARE ALL ONE , if one of you screws up your all pay for it, this builds unity over time ,this individual must learn that his fellow E2s will NOT put up with his attitude either ,shape up ,shut up and complete your task that is given , or be P.T.ed so hard you puke ,piss, and pass out , I've been a military brat from day 1 next in line to sign up and serve, my father used to smoke my brother and I ,it didn't matter who messed up we both got pt and both clean, there are 3 things I've learned from this it's to have honor, integrity, and unity those 3 key skills will take you and your team a long way once obtained and utilized by all in your platoon including you and your platoon commander

Response by MSgt Gary Glaze made Apr 5 at 2017 5:54 PM

MSgt Gary Glaze — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:54:34 -0400

Give him a private learning moment

Response by MSG Biran Colwell made Apr 5 at 2017 7:30 PM

MSG Biran Colwell — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 19:30:32 -0400

Pull the young man and his squad or team leader aside and explain his options along with a counseling statement and a little extra duty. This is NCO business and should be conducted that way. If further discipline is needed, you may need to take it up your chain of command depending on the circumstances or offence. Re member NCO Business First.

Response by Sgt Dennis Bergstad made Apr 5 at 2017 10:37 PM

Sgt Dennis Bergstad — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 22:37:31 -0400

Did I just hear you right you do not want to do the task at hand. Do realize you just disobeyed a lawful order. Now I highly suggest you get busy and do what your ordered to do. When you are done report to me.

Response by PO1 Dinah Goodman made Apr 6 at 2017 3:25 AM

PO1 Dinah Goodman — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 03:25:09 -0400

He needs to be me an example of so that leadership is not questioned again. I would tell him to standby then direct him to my office and request the presence of my Chief, who I will fill in with the details before both of us meeting the insubordinate and we shall proceed to light him up, followed by "corrective" training.

Response by LCpl Kevin Ferguson made Apr 6 at 2017 8:25 AM

LCpl Kevin Ferguson — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 08:25:00 -0400

Chain of command you tell your LCPL's to "take care of it"

Response by SGT Thomas Lindale made Apr 6 at 2017 9:44 AM

SGT Thomas Lindale — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 09:44:41 -0400

The sgt should make an point to my te detail more the a little task and tell them they will do or all day PT

Response by Jonathan Moore made Apr 6 at 2017 12:07 PM

Jonathan Moore — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 12:07:31 -0400

Thank all y'all for serving

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2017 1:34 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 13:34:07 -0400

Come box counseling

Response by PO1 Tim Hill made Apr 6 at 2017 2:13 PM

PO1 Tim Hill — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 14:13:31 -0400

Knife hands

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Apr 6 at 2017 2:28 PM

MAJ John Douglas — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 14:28:27 -0400

If he is going to smart mouth an NCO or Officer in front of the formation, the person on the receiving end has to respond right there to have any credibility with the others. My response as a commissioned officer would be to tell the 1SG to handle it and tell him/her in front of the soldier to let me know if you want him in front of my desk. And if he does come to me, tell him to put his rank in one hand and his money in the other and I will take what I want. But he is guaranteed not to leave my office with all he came in with.

Response by Amn Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2017 5:01 PM

Amn Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 17:01:26 -0400

Fire him

Response by SP5 Mark Kish made Apr 6 at 2017 5:47 PM

SP5 Mark Kish — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 17:47:40 -0400

Throat punch and then physical enhancement

Response by MSG John Craig made Apr 6 at 2017 6:45 PM

MSG John Craig — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 18:45:53 -0400

I enlisted before Volar came into the picture. I believe in the 'old school' methods! Need I say more?

Response by SGM Mike Morton made Apr 6 at 2017 7:26 PM

SGM Mike Morton — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 19:26:21 -0400

In today's politically correct world, your actions can ruin your career, even if they were the right one. My response would be to lock his heals and tell him to be quiet immediately. Setting the tone for discipline in a unit must be adhered to with all troops present. Then I would dismiss the rest of the unit and deal with the troop with his Team Leader. Leadership is more thank Barking orders, inspiring troops to follow, along with a little fear works well. For those that don't have that fear or discipline, there are great administrative tools to get their attention and or remove them from the service. Having been a private once, and rolled my eyes at my squad leader for something. I remember picking myself up off the ground and determined that maintaining my discipline was a far healthier thing to.do. I cannot say I have not "adjusted" a few attitudes in my day. But the political climate was different in the 80's and 90's. The best leadership advise if received in my career, and I used it for 24 years, " Always be professional, and never make it personal " once you lose your honor, it's almost impossible to get it back.

Response by A1C Rodney Christopher made Apr 6 at 2017 7:45 PM

A1C Rodney Christopher — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 19:45:02 -0400

Charged with insubordination and refusing to follow a direct order! Court Marshall!

Response by A1C Rodney Christopher made Apr 6 at 2017 7:47 PM

A1C Rodney Christopher — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 19:47:53 -0400

Insubordination and refusal to follow a direct order! Recommendation Court Marshall!!

Response by PFC Jason Shields made Apr 6 at 2017 8:05 PM

PFC Jason Shields — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 20:05:24 -0400

Give him the assignment and move on

Response by CPO Tyrone Rogers made Apr 6 at 2017 9:51 PM

CPO Tyrone Rogers — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 21:51:48 -0400

Show the little fuckstick how the E5, E2 relationship works by putting a foot in his ass

Response by PO3 Zack Curry made Apr 7 at 2017 12:46 PM

PO3 Zack Curry — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 12:46:07 -0400

In my humble opinion the shitbird would be working till he found the errors in his/her ways. I would also be evaluating my own presence and why said shitbird would ever consider such a responce. Prior response stated that their could be external issues unknown to LPO, maybe LPO isnt as aprochable as they should be or not paying attention to his/her charges. Leadership swings both ways.

Response by Brian Boyd made Apr 7 at 2017 2:39 PM

Brian Boyd — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 14:39:09 -0400

He would get smoked, complete the task assigned and then face charges.

Response by SFC Timothy N. Livengood made Apr 7 at 2017 2:59 PM

SFC Timothy N. Livengood — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 14:59:15 -0400

First and foremost, they are not fit for military life. You came to the Military, it didn't come to you. Conform and do what you are told to do. Its to bad if there are young soldiers that would even remotely think of responding in this fashion. There just isn't room in this Military for people like this. The military needs good men and women willing to serve.

Response by PO2 William Torres-Lopez made Apr 7 at 2017 3:07 PM

PO2 William Torres-Lopez — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 15:07:12 -0400

A write up

Response by SFC Dan Reach made Apr 7 at 2017 3:50 PM

SFC Dan Reach — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 15:50:22 -0400

Article 15 for starters

Response by PFC Matt Shertenlieb made Apr 7 at 2017 4:25 PM

PFC Matt Shertenlieb — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 16:25:47 -0400

Tough love. Sleeper hold.

Response by Sgt Michael Graham made Apr 7 at 2017 4:42 PM

Sgt Michael Graham — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 16:42:16 -0400

You do whatever you are told. It's not a suggestion!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 5:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 17:54:46 -0400

Put him on every shit detail that comes up

Response by A1C Corey Collins made Apr 7 at 2017 6:00 PM

A1C Corey Collins — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:00:07 -0400

Have him do and give extra duties to the punk. If that doesn't work, show him the door(DD)

Response by CPL Blaine Reed made Apr 7 at 2017 6:04 PM

CPL Blaine Reed — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:04:40 -0400

Everyone on their face. Push till I get tired. When that happens and the arms are falling off of the trainees, make that private do the aforementioned task. Everyone else will "train" that guy when the time is right.

Response by Cpl Samuel Mahaffey made Apr 7 at 2017 6:15 PM

Cpl Samuel Mahaffey — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:15:13 -0400

fuck his boot ass up. in private.

Response by Capt Dwayne Conyers made Apr 7 at 2017 6:19 PM

Capt Dwayne Conyers — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:19:09 -0400

Is it still legal to throw a blanket party?

Response by PO2 Jay Daniel made Apr 7 at 2017 6:54 PM

PO2 Jay Daniel — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:54:39 -0400

Report for insubordination.

Response by PVT Philip Smith made Apr 7 at 2017 7:06 PM

PVT Philip Smith — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 19:06:08 -0400

Sir yes sir

Response by Douglas Webb made Apr 7 at 2017 8:43 PM

Douglas Webb — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 20:43:03 -0400

I'd probably react poorly.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 9:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 21:20:42 -0400

you as an NCO escort this individual with the company of another (e.g. lower enlisted e-2 -e-4 or another e-5) and you smoke the living crap out of this individual until this individual understands that individuallity stopped upon enlistment and team worked began. But that is just me, you do as your style and leadership allow

Response by Cpl Jay Beaudet made Apr 7 at 2017 10:31 PM

Cpl Jay Beaudet — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 22:31:15 -0400

Take the blouses off and take him out back for a view of the tree roots at ground level

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 10:36 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 22:36:52 -0400

I believe "front rest leaning position is a good spot for his mouth for an hour or so

Response by Christopher Poole made Apr 8 at 2017 12:14 AM

Christopher Poole — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 00:14:24 -0400

i may not be in the military yet but i would say you do as your told or get out of my battilion or better yet there's the door if you cant handle the task

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2017 12:33 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 00:33:49 -0400

This is easy... You say nothing tell him to standby and everyone else goes to work. You keep him at attention go get the crew ready for the work day leave the room with him at attention. Go do your job for about 10-15 minutes. Check back later if he's still at attention you can talk to him without the rank person to person and see whats up. If he not there or sitting down you lay off in his ass. Send the little shit bucket to your E6 and be done with it.

Response by SPC Kenneth Cooper made Apr 8 at 2017 12:55 AM

SPC Kenneth Cooper — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 00:55:50 -0400

Smoke the E2 till total muscle failure if the soldier still continues to disrespect me then I would recommend an article 15 for disrespect towards a noncomisioned officer.

Response by Cpl Ray Villanueva made Apr 8 at 2017 5:34 AM

Cpl Ray Villanueva — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 05:34:56 -0400

That's what he gets

Response by PVT Kerri Mohl made Apr 8 at 2017 10:45 AM

PVT Kerri Mohl — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 10:45:00 -0400

Throat punch!

Response by SPC Dan Smith made Apr 8 at 2017 11:22 AM

SPC Dan Smith — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 11:22:47 -0400

Call the MP'S to pick him up.

Response by SPC Derek Dial made Apr 8 at 2017 1:40 PM

SPC Derek Dial — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 13:40:34 -0400

Extra duty, perhaps a company grade article 15 for insubordination. Plus a ass kicking while on maneuver sometime.

Response by MSgt Tim Mroczek made Apr 8 at 2017 3:18 PM

MSgt Tim Mroczek — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 15:18:58 -0400

Since dude is in formation with his buds here is the way I would play it. "Hey no problem. Sit down, take a break. Your squad mates will pick up the slack. Squad Leader, handle it."

Response by CPL Steve Shessler made Apr 8 at 2017 3:30 PM

CPL Steve Shessler — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 15:30:38 -0400

ccf

Response by PVT Joseph West made Apr 8 at 2017 5:58 PM

PVT Joseph West — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 17:58:52 -0400

Smoke his add in front of everyone

Response by Cpl Kelly Mckibben made Apr 8 at 2017 7:00 PM

Cpl Kelly Mckibben — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 19:00:47 -0400

Take the POS out to the sand pit for a little lesson in Marine Corps etiquette!

Response by PO1 Harry Mosey made Apr 8 at 2017 7:39 PM

PO1 Harry Mosey — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 19:39:10 -0400

Take him/her into a private setting and explain the consequences of his actions. After which, if she still refuses to follow orders, follow through on the consequences.

Response by Cpl John Valenzuela made Apr 8 at 2017 8:43 PM

Cpl John Valenzuela — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 20:43:03 -0400

Kick the heck out of him

Response by SGT John Paul Crossann made Apr 8 at 2017 9:25 PM

SGT John Paul Crossann — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 21:25:04 -0400

Knock his ass out

Response by Paul Crandall made Apr 8 at 2017 9:35 PM

Paul Crandall — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 21:35:01 -0400

Pt his ass Intel he pukes then pt his ass some MORE

Response by Sgt Richard Cantrell made Apr 8 at 2017 10:04 PM

Sgt Richard Cantrell — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 22:04:18 -0400

Double his duty in front of everyone.

Response by AN Alex Cuesta made Apr 8 at 2017 10:08 PM

AN Alex Cuesta — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 22:08:30 -0400

Get down and give me 20

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2017 11:13 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 23:13:31 -0400

Dust him offf

Response by Sgt Robert Miller made Apr 9 at 2017 12:47 AM

Sgt Robert Miller — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 00:47:57 -0400

I would give him the option one more time to obey a lawful order or call the MP'S and send him to the brig

Response by SSG Todd Lysfjord made Apr 9 at 2017 2:03 AM

SSG Todd Lysfjord — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 02:03:27 -0400

Smoke him until I get tired and he begs to do all the duties assigned to every member of his squad.

Response by LCpl Jaime N. made Apr 9 at 2017 2:11 AM

LCpl Jaime N. — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 02:11:28 -0400

make him push until they volunteer for the job. since when is the military a democracy?

Response by SGT Jeremy Stokes made Apr 9 at 2017 5:08 AM

SGT Jeremy Stokes — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 05:08:53 -0400

You tell this Private that if the Army wanted him to have an opinion CIF would have issued him one.

Response by PO2 Hauke Powers made Apr 9 at 2017 6:55 AM

PO2 Hauke Powers — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 06:55:57 -0400

instant obedience to orders go get the biggest chewing and write up in their miserable life.

Response by PFC Brandon Mayer made Apr 9 at 2017 7:44 AM

PFC Brandon Mayer — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 07:44:58 -0400

I'd say tbey deserve a throat chop and extra duty for a month. Also i believe its punishable through the ucmj. Insubordination to a superior

Response by AA Ricky Timms made Apr 9 at 2017 8:14 AM

AA Ricky Timms — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 08:14:12 -0400

Swift discipline humiliation, and punishment to give him time to think about his mistake !!!

Response by Sgt Mike Jones made Apr 9 at 2017 10:15 AM

Sgt Mike Jones — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 10:15:53 -0400

Tell him ok, since you don't wan to do that, you're with me today. 15 miles will be the start

Response by SPC Abdullah Aziz made Apr 9 at 2017 10:37 AM

SPC Abdullah Aziz — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 10:37:32 -0400

Smoke him till he can't move, if that doesn't work then the paperwork.

Response by 1SG James Brewer made Apr 9 at 2017 12:05 PM

1SG James Brewer — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 12:05:29 -0400

Making sure that he/she wished they had not chosen to serve our nation, in 3 seconds.

Response by PFC David Durler made Apr 9 at 2017 12:07 PM

PFC David Durler — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 12:07:09 -0400

You tell the PFC to take the day off and do whatever he wants. The others will pick up his slack as we are Marines and it is critical to work as a team . Then you grind the others into the ground, reminding them every moment that they are picking up the slack for the PFC. You constantly direct the others to look at the PFC who is the cause of the team short fall. Remind them that he may not want to carry his brother out of harms way. He doesn't feel like protecting his brothers today. Why should he have to do anything? the team will take care of the shortfall. Guaranteed he will be following orders for the rest of his time of service after just one night of sleep, or lack thereof.

Response by SFC Jim Mougeotte Jr. made Apr 9 at 2017 1:02 PM

SFC Jim Mougeotte Jr. — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 13:02:20 -0400

Oh no he didn't! When I was a 19D, that little piss ant would have been the front lean and rest position until I was tired and then spend the next 4 days on KP. Not sure if today's Army has that still, I've been retired since 1994! There also would be a counseling session done and put in his record!

Response by Chris Campbell made Apr 9 at 2017 1:49 PM

Chris Campbell — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 13:49:13 -0400

Show the back of that hand even closer!

Response by Gregory Shaw made Apr 9 at 2017 2:02 PM

Gregory Shaw — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 14:02:01 -0400

Tell them to get down in the front leaning rest

Response by PO3 Lou Godfrey made Apr 9 at 2017 2:06 PM

PO3 Lou Godfrey — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 14:06:47 -0400

Take him in the head and re-educate him

Response by Sidney Cooley made Apr 9 at 2017 2:11 PM

Sidney Cooley — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 14:11:12 -0400

Give him "advanced combat hand to hand training"

Response by CPL William Paulsen made Apr 9 at 2017 2:48 PM

CPL William Paulsen — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 14:48:32 -0400

Don't worry private I got the fix for your buddy fucking ass...Half right face!!! Smoke him until he meets Jesus and once he sees the light give him his task. Blue Falcons must be reminded of there place in the hierarchy. Your opinion is invalid and unwanted you now have a purpose serve it.

Response by Darin Hall made Apr 9 at 2017 4:11 PM

Darin Hall — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 16:11:13 -0400

You assignall other commands and dismiss the troops you request E2 to stay behind and you reprimand him privately and explain the chain of command and if they can't grasp that concept then those stripes are not for them

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2017 4:20 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 16:20:28 -0400

PT! ;)

Response by CPL Brad Kline made Apr 9 at 2017 4:30 PM

CPL Brad Kline — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 16:30:11 -0400

Nose to nose and then drop em

Response by Bruce Thomas made Apr 9 at 2017 4:42 PM

Bruce Thomas — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 16:42:04 -0400

Put em in check with a tune up if needed

Response by Steve Smith made Apr 9 at 2017 4:51 PM

Steve Smith — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 16:51:19 -0400

I would take him aside and explain that i gave him a order and if he valued his welfare of keeping his teeth to do as i ordered

Response by MSG James Hughs made Apr 9 at 2017 6:15 PM

MSG James Hughs — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 18:15:59 -0400

Been faced with similar situations several times. ( 30 years....private thru the ranks to captain) This must not be allowed to stand. You can not afford to lose this confrontation. FIRST Praise in public/ punish in private. All troops, but the "smart mouth" are put to work under your second in rank, elsewhere. SECOND You retain a reliable witness. Never be alone with the "smart mouth".... when the situation gets tight he will use everything he can including counter charges against you THIRD you address "smart mouth " in a calm low voice. You ask the malcontent if he understands the seriousness of disobeying a lawful order of an NCO... You give him one last chance to explain himself and / or comply. If he has no valid reason for his actions and still does not comply.....you along with your witness march his tired ass to the platoon sergeant and request disciplinary action
Several things you should do and / or not do.... Never threaten a specific punishment; if he fails to get that specific punishment he will consider it a win..... prepare for such a possible situation by coordinating with the platoon sergeant in advance stating that IF you find it necessary to bring a problem to him you expect his full support..... you try to settle all problems yourself but do not hesitate to use the chain of command as a last resort..... there are two types of punishment ( unofficial) internal without a record (official) UCMJ.... again try to be unofficial as much as possible ( you do not want to air your dirty laundry or give the command the impression you can not handle problems).... never touch the man.... lose your temper.... or raise your voice ( quiet controlled voice is much more threatening if handled right)
As a Drill Sergeant I had two attempts on my life....$300 dollars damage to my car.....and had a gun shoved in my gut.....I handled them all..... they do not control you; YOU command them
Be fair.... be just..... be firm

Response by SPC Angela Reed made Apr 9 at 2017 7:11 PM

SPC Angela Reed — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 19:11:01 -0400

Not very well. I put my time in as well as my life for a good while and someone just coming in no that wouldn't go well at all. I did 4 years in a Drill Sargeant Unit and I'm telling you I learned so much from them!

Response by Tavis Walker made Apr 9 at 2017 7:34 PM

Tavis Walker — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 19:34:47 -0400

Tell him if he wants to stay here he listens to what is told

Response by Kory Danielson made Apr 9 at 2017 8:20 PM

Kory Danielson — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 20:20:55 -0400

The old days, direct physical confrontation. Now days, ride their ass till they truly regretted it.

Response by Stevan Velazquezl.p. made Apr 9 at 2017 8:54 PM

Stevan Velazquezl.p. — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 20:54:20 -0400

Why are you here if you don't know how to follow orders.

Response by A1C Tom Zumbro made Apr 9 at 2017 10:58 PM

A1C Tom Zumbro — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 22:58:40 -0400

Shower party time.

Response by SGT Robert Diaz made Apr 9 at 2017 11:57 PM

SGT Robert Diaz — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 23:57:07 -0400

I guess everybody will be doing motivation PT Because E2 does want to do his assignment so now he and everybody has time for some motivation PT. I bet his fellow troopers will thank him later

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2017 6:55 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 06:55:38 -0400

Do it myself

Response by Willie May made Apr 10 at 2017 7:11 AM

Willie May — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 07:11:02 -0400

My shit detail

Response by PFC Richard Reynolds made Apr 10 at 2017 8:05 AM

PFC Richard Reynolds — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 08:05:07 -0400

Well my sages would have removed there shirt and and politely given me a chance to prove how big those balls were and after I would have had to do as ordered

Response by SGT Terry Sherman made Apr 10 at 2017 8:09 AM

SGT Terry Sherman — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 08:09:02 -0400

I would instruct him to get in the front leaning rest position. Mountain Climbers, move. 1-2-3 1. 1-2-3 2 1-2-3 3- until he concedes.

Response by A1C Russell Bearor made Apr 10 at 2017 10:08 AM

A1C Russell Bearor — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 10:08:43 -0400

If your stupid enough to smart mouth in formation you deserve what you get.

Response by PO3 Sean Entrekin made Apr 10 at 2017 11:24 AM

PO3 Sean Entrekin — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:24:16 -0400

Go to my to my LPO assuming I am the Work Center Supervisor. Any take it from there. Also Counceling Chit.

Response by ChrisandAngie Jones made Apr 10 at 2017 12:41 PM

ChrisandAngie Jones — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 12:41:30 -0400

He would be cleaning the can with his tongue if I didn't smack his teeth out

Response by SPC John Stouffer made Apr 10 at 2017 1:06 PM

SPC John Stouffer — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:06:14 -0400

remind the private that he'd been given a lawful order by an NCO and that if you fails to follow that order he is in Jeopardy of being punished under UCMJ and then smoke his ass in the front leaning rest position for a good 45 minutes

Response by SPC James Lister made Apr 10 at 2017 2:20 PM

SPC James Lister — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 14:20:55 -0400

"Well, Privet individual had decided that the rest of the platoon is out of shape. We are going to forgo the the assignment and exercise instead! Privet you stand right there and watch, I wouldn't want you doing anything you wouldn't want to do. ON YOU FACES!!! EXERCISE!!!"

Response by CMDCM Philip Seely made Apr 10 at 2017 2:38 PM

CMDCM Philip Seely — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 14:38:58 -0400

Regulate the little shits airflow for a little while, and explain the chain of command and ucmj

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2017 4:16 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:16:57 -0400

Pack Run

Response by Cpl Patrick Reardon made Apr 10 at 2017 5:19 PM

Cpl Patrick Reardon — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:19:39 -0400

Take him out for some one on one pt and wear his ass out. After he is done revisiting some pt nightmare from boot camp ask him if he would rather continue or complain.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 8:01 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:01:41 -0400

In such a shituation as I once had,...I informed the smartass PFC, "Yes... it is '...going to happen'..."!!!
"It's a lawful order, whether you like it or not..."it's going to happen""! I ensured the platoon that I myself and senior leadership will be present in the motor pool to check on progress. If anyone, including PFC Dipshit had a problem with this, he needs to stand fast after dismissal. I also had PFC Dipshit drop at the leaning rest until I got tired. Once the platoon was dismissed, and PFC Dipshit was exhausted...I calmly explained to him should he make a another outburst in formation again, or challenge my authority, he would be facing more than the gravel, rather an Article 15 or worse.
He accepted and moved on to fofill the lawful order of inventory layouts for the commander.

Response by SGT Ronald Strickland made Apr 11 at 2017 8:42 AM

SGT Ronald Strickland — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:42:52 -0400

Smoke his ass till he can no longer move then smoke his ass some more the military no matter what branch is a team no one soldier is better than any other a soldier who thinks he is above a task no matter how small that task is is a dangerous thing and needs to be corrected or removed

Response by SGT Woodrow Greenfeather made Apr 11 at 2017 8:45 AM

SGT Woodrow Greenfeather — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:45:52 -0400

Ahh hell no f*king problem. Front leaning rest position move. Wall to wall counciling and smoke that *ss

Response by CDR Dan Campbell made Apr 11 at 2017 8:46 AM

CDR Dan Campbell — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:46:13 -0400

I tear his head off and crap down his windpipe in true Navy fashion.

Response by SPC William Rogers made Apr 11 at 2017 9:01 AM

SPC William Rogers — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:01:07 -0400

Conciliating with a, "Do you Concur" signature.

Response by PO1 John Watson made Apr 11 at 2017 9:02 AM

PO1 John Watson — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:02:22 -0400

I retired in 1982. I went in 1957.I know the military is not the same as then. In57 there were still alot of WWII and Korean guys in. As a young airman I mouthed off to a second class petty officer and was overheard by the shop Chief. He came out of his office and took me out behind the quonset hut and grabbed me , threw me up against the wall and chewed me out , scared me to death. I learned to be respectful that day and it stayed with me the rest of my 23 years.

Response by PFC Frederick Morrow made Apr 11 at 2017 9:21 AM

PFC Frederick Morrow — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:21:55 -0400

I was in that position as an E-3 over an E-1. As an MP we are to make sure all facilities are locked and secured. I noticed on patrol a national guard armory door was opened. I called for back up and told the e-1 to take up a position to watch for anyone who may come out while I took up a position to the other side. The E-1 instead rushed the door before back up arrived. Of course I had to have his back and come to find out the armory was empty. We arrived at the PMO and I dropped the e-1 off , told the desk Sgt what happened and told him I didn't want him riding with me and that I prefer to ride alone. Desk Sgt told me okay for this shift. The next day the company commander called me into the office and told me that the e-1 said that I was the one reckless and that he was afraid to ride with me. I think I squared it away but I left any actions in the hands of the NCO's and Officers.
I also have been on the receiving end but I was accused of being disrespectful. It was a weekend and we were off duty, a specialist who had been partying in the barracks on the 3rd floor ordered me to pick up his mess in his common area. I respectively reminded him we were off duty and that I didn't cause his mess and I being on the 1st floor had my own mess. To be honest I thought he was drunk still. I turned around and went back downstairs. Later that day he at the urging of a squad leader gave me a counseling notice which I refused to sign. It said that I had disrespected a "higher ranking person" and that I mouthed off and said I didn't want to be in the Army. I was furious and this specialist from that point on was considered a jack-ass by most of the company.

Response by SPC Faulk May made Apr 11 at 2017 9:27 AM

SPC Faulk May — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:27:59 -0400

You tell the E2 this is a command not a request. Unlike civilian life if he does not comply and continues to treat you with disrespect he will be in subordination and he will suffer the consequences for his actions. Ask him does he really want this to occur? Do his job and be quiet when doing it be a role model not an example of what happens to those who fail to obey orders.

Response by Sgt Cam Giannetti made Apr 11 at 2017 10:12 AM

Sgt Cam Giannetti — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:12:49 -0400

PFC toast for breakfast

Response by SPC Juan Granados made Apr 11 at 2017 10:42 AM

SPC Juan Granados — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:42:46 -0400

Seriously, this should not even be asked.

Response by Cpl Stephen-Claudia Howell made Apr 11 at 2017 10:47 AM

Cpl Stephen-Claudia Howell — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:47:28 -0400

Chinese field day the shop for the whole day. Him and his peers. Then I guarantee no more lip

Response by SGT James Hammons made Apr 11 at 2017 11:10 AM

SGT James Hammons — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:10:44 -0400

After work starts immediately take the soldier to the office and write Him/Her up for disrespect to a NCO and a warning of the actions that can be taken and let them know this is the one and only warning. Next he will have to see the chain of command.

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Apr 11 at 2017 12:15 PM

PFC Charles Sanders — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:15:08 -0400

All I know is that as an E-3 POG in the Army if I had done that my ass would still be in the front-leaning rest position. I had my insubordinate moments, I think we all do, but nothing ever that blatant.

Response by SGT Anthony Wynn made Apr 11 at 2017 12:52 PM

SGT Anthony Wynn — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:52:28 -0400

1- Direct in-subordination- (failure to follow orders from a senior NCO despite a calm explanation by NCO to the Soldier, i.e., a Soldier disobeying a lawful order despite a calm explanation to the Soldier by the NCO. and continues to disobey AND shows disrespect to said NCO, and fails *refuses* to follow orders (a must))
2-SGT to Private- "Private, this is the United States Army. This is not your living room at home, or your old high-school. "Private, position of attention, Move! Half right face, Move! Front leaning rest position, MOVE! IN CADENCE, 1, 2, 3, ONE, 1,2,3 TWO...Do that until I get tired, Private, or the MP's will be here in 5 minutes along with Top and the CO.
3- Assign another nuetral (Specialist preferably) Soldier to ensure that the other Soldier keeps pushing until you return.
4- Return with a counseling statement that he must (or refuse) to sign
5- Allow Soldier to stop, "Position of attention, MOVE. Half left, face! AT EASE!
6 Bring Soldier and all relevant paperwork, counseling statements, complete history of Soldier to your company area and have him stand at ease and wait.
7- Inform your first line of the incident with all proof.
8- Go to Soldier and instruct him not to move until you and your First line come back to get him.
9-Ask a fellow NCO to make sure he stays there, and you Follow 'your' First line's instructions.
10 - Watch and see if he learns his lesson. Assuming this is his first offense

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made Apr 11 at 2017 1:30 PM

SPC Christopher Smith — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 13:30:20 -0400

When I was in the E5 would take off his shirt and walk behind the building!

Response by SPC Kenny Watson made Apr 11 at 2017 4:21 PM

SPC Kenny Watson — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:21:06 -0400

Nip it quickly in the bud! Insubordination must not be allowed to rear it's ugly head. Clearly some smoking in place right then is needed. Following a lawful order must be carried out.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 4:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:24:18 -0400

Immediately ask the Soldier, "What is it about you, that makes you think you should behave that way?" His response will determine step two.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 4:54 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:54:29 -0400

That did not fly in basic or at my duty station, no matter what was going on in your personal life. If you were crazy enough to back talk you got smoked so bad you'd be lucky if you could walk afterwards. And if that did not remind you to keep your smart mouth in check then Art. 15. Order must be maintained in all facets of the Military. If you let a subordinate back talk you when you are assigning simple chores, this will give leave for the others to question your leadership in general. So, when it comes to hazardous duty stations you will have chaos. However, that private just volunteered him/herself up to be an example of how you will discipline anybody else who thinks he/she is above keeping their mouth under control. Lead by example :)

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 6:08 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:08:08 -0400

Based on the original poster, I'm assuming said E2 is a Sailor. Bring the formation to attention and cease all chatter. Hand out the rest of the assignments and have seaman schmuckatelli stand by after the division is dismissed. Keep it professional and explain adverse counseling chits and the chain of command. Tell him that the assigned task is one that you did when you were his rank and that he will follow the order or face disciplinary action. If you continue to get push back from him, have your LPO or Chief back you up.

Response by SSG Charles Newman made Apr 11 at 2017 6:39 PM

SSG Charles Newman — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:39:26 -0400

Simple, HALF RIGHT, FACE! FRONT LEAN AND REST POSITION, MOVE!

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 12 at 2017 11:31 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:31:20 -0400

I think someone just volunteered to be the example of what not to do and why. His self destruction will be a good example for others.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2017 1:00 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:00:07 -0400

Believe your response was needed however have a sit down to review the matter and why such a non-military attitude. Also, E2 may not be adjusting to the military

Response by Cpl Shawn Gonzales made Apr 12 at 2017 1:02 PM

Cpl Shawn Gonzales — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:02:16 -0400

Article 15.. at the least...basic training.. remove from duty... in a combat scenerio...kick his ass

Response by CPO George Lawson made Apr 12 at 2017 7:48 PM

CPO George Lawson — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:48:03 -0400

This as it is written, will not work, you start out with an E-2 and then go to they, so are you talking about one person? Or the entire group?

Response by SPC Mike Dittmar made Apr 13 at 2017 3:40 PM

SPC Mike Dittmar — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:40:24 -0400

Extra duty

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2017 8:47 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 08:47:11 -0400

My way or the high way

Response by PFC Roy Cole made Apr 16 at 2017 11:21 PM

PFC Roy Cole — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 23:21:19 -0400

Insubordination is an Article 15 offense. If you don't want to comply get out and find a civilian job.

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made Apr 18 at 2017 2:21 AM

SP5 Jeannie Carle — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 02:21:30 -0400

In my day it would have been an immediate Article 15 and possible discharge. Insubordination was NOT tolerated.

Response by Cpl Dustin Morse made Apr 18 at 2017 6:50 AM

Cpl Dustin Morse — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 06:50:31 -0400

I had a similar situation happen when I was a Cpl deployed... They were all at ease while I passed out days orders, a new PFC fresh in country and mouthed off and before I could even react one of my senior LCpl's looked at me and said "Don't worry Cpl, we'll handle it.", later in the day I was told he tripped off a curb carrying water bottles, I didn't ask questions and the fresh PFC didn't speak out of line once over the next 7 months.

One thing I always did as a Cpl while we were deployed is I took almost all the shit jobs (if I had to assign one to the troops they already knew I had done it half a dozen times and I would never assign them a task I hadn't already done myself), I'd work 3x 12 hour shifts in a row if one of my guys was sick instead of retasking someone else (my shift, their shift, and my shift again). If guard duty needed handled, I handled it. I was always told I looked like the walking dead, and my troops were always well rested. I took the brunt of the shit, and everyone came home alive. I even took care of my SNCO's, CWO's, an O's the same way, its just how I was. Especially when deployed.

Moral of the story, you take care of your troops, and they will take care of you... If you did your job as an NCO correctly, and PFC Shitbag mouths off, your troops will correct the problem for you quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2017 7:51 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 07:51:00 -0400

My favorite leadership tool is to augment them off to the worst assignment I can find.

Response by SSG Matthew Hamrick made Apr 18 at 2017 7:56 AM

SSG Matthew Hamrick — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 07:56:54 -0400

I would calmly give the task to someone else. And deal with the private privately after formation. I will never have another problem with him again.

Response by PO3 James Augustine made Apr 18 at 2017 8:12 AM

PO3 James Augustine — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:12:37 -0400

write up for insubordination and refusal to obey a lawful order then let the commanding officer take it from there.

Response by Cpl Mike M made Apr 18 at 2017 8:45 AM

Cpl Mike M — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:45:16 -0400

Have the PFC kneel in a corner, and have the sgt seek counseling or an office job.

Response by SSgt Karen Cregar made Apr 18 at 2017 8:51 AM

SSgt Karen Cregar — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:51:37 -0400

When I was active duty it wouldn't happen but this is what is wrong with America. Children aren't disciplined at home and grow up with no respect for authority and do not understand the consequences of doing the wrong thing. In my day someone would beat that ass or IPT until they wished they were dead.

Response by SGM Mark Cater made Apr 18 at 2017 9:14 AM

SGM Mark Cater — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:14:58 -0400

I this case, I agree with Gunny. However, I would have had the entire platoon stand fast (mission need to be done would determine this) In the Army, everyone would be disciplined for the actions and flapping of the trap of PV2 Shitbird. Then I would expect that the others in the platoon would show PV2 Shitbird just how much they appreciated his actions later that evening. A team knows how to take care of Shitbirds.

Response by PFC David Raciti made Apr 18 at 2017 9:21 AM

PFC David Raciti — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:21:48 -0400

aT LEASED A 100 PUSH UP S M OR SQUART JUMPS

Response by SP6 Rob Main made Apr 18 at 2017 9:36 AM

SP6 Rob Main — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:36:28 -0400

Lock up his heels in front of the C.O. and let him explain to the CO why he doesn't want to do the task handed down to him and explain that this task came from the CO

Response by SSG Lindal Cossey made Apr 18 at 2017 9:38 AM

SSG Lindal Cossey — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:38:55 -0400

I'd all over their ass. If they still didn't respond, he/she and I would have a discussion with the platoon sergeant, and i push for at least administrative action if not an article 15.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2017 9:59 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:59:46 -0400

Full On DI comes out. I'll would Darth Vader choke him out. "Since we cant touch them" then after ripping him a new asshole. Get him some nice EMI authorized by the CO.

Response by SPC Michael King made Apr 18 at 2017 11:04 AM

SPC Michael King — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:04:46 -0400

If you're in the navy you have a private conversation and a counseling session. If you are army infantry you out this kid in the front leaning rest, re-assign his task to his team and make this kid do all manner of strength and conditioning exercises until such a time he is ready to re-join his team and take over those duties. He then gets assigned all of the crap details for the days, weeks or months ahead until he has proven to have corrected the error of his ways. The proof would be when his team approached me and to call off the fire or when his team started jumping in to help with his details.

Response by SPC Terry Barboza made Apr 18 at 2017 11:11 AM

SPC Terry Barboza — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:11:40 -0400

Lol! Anyone who has served,knows how this will work out,in the real world,disobeying a direct order,can lead to a very bad consequence!

Response by GySgt William C. White made Apr 18 at 2017 11:40 AM

GySgt William C. White — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:40:36 -0400

I would put him on his face right there on the spot, and maybe even given him some extra duty. As a Marine understanding instant obedience to orders could be the difference between life or death. This should not be and can not be tolerated

Response by SGT Frank Blair made Apr 18 at 2017 11:44 AM

SGT Frank Blair — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:44:03 -0400

Have him report to the 1st Sargents office for a company grade

Response by SGT William Purdy made Apr 18 at 2017 11:55 AM

SGT William Purdy — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:55:52 -0400

Well guess I'm old Army. After I put him on the ground and on restriction for all to see. Prevents insubordination. When we are alone I would then explain harsh response and question him. Sorry, my time women were not in the ranks.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2017 12:36 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 12:36:10 -0400

So Is he Dipshit or Shitbird?

Response by GySgt Duane DaVein made Apr 18 at 2017 1:15 PM

GySgt Duane DaVein — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:15:27 -0400

Press charges for insubordination and get them out of the military ASAP. In the old days you may have been able to get that piece of crap inline by beating his ass. No more though.

Response by CPO James Worobe made Apr 18 at 2017 1:25 PM

CPO James Worobe — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:25:00 -0400

I would begin by dismissing the rest of the crew and have the LPO and the offender stand fast. Then I would lock heals and have a serious conversation about how to behave at quarters, what I expect from an LPO and then I would provide detailed instruction to both, loudly and distintly (so there would be no mistaking my intentions) on the meaning of lawful orders. I would include information on the UCMJ, and provide detailed description of the brig and the conditions there.Then I would dismiss both individuals and expect that the work would be completed.

Response by GySgt Duane DaVein made Apr 18 at 2017 1:56 PM

GySgt Duane DaVein — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:56:09 -0400

He or she would not survive the battlefield.

Response by CW3 Dick McManus made Apr 18 at 2017 1:58 PM

CW3 Dick McManus — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 13:58:50 -0400

The Science of Assertiveness theory -- aka folk knowledge (trial and error science)

Assertive (Leadership) behavior by humans: Builds relationships

Will the long-term affects be worse than any short-term discomfort I may feel if I am assertive in the first place?

An angry and loud communication can be assertive if one is expressing feelings (Using the word "I", ( I am really god damn anger at you ...)

vs. HOSTILE behavior-destroys a relationship: for example, ... “You dumb ass, didn't your mother teach you to report to work on time, etc. etc. Why, didn't you do such and such.... You should do such and such”

If someone has a habit of saying, "Why, don't you do such and such..." we all understand this to mean "I want you" to do such and such. There seems to be some kind of a taboo in our culture against people saying straight up, that they want.
On the use of the word YOU:

...the use of the word "you" is assertive when a person is acting in the role of boss, parent, or leader, for example, a law enforcer, a teacher, the chair of a meeting.

"You are expected to" (follow the rules, etc) , then every time the other person comes up with excuses, sob stories, etc, repeating this phase again and again ("You are expected to" (aka using the broken record shows the other person that you are not afraid to stand your ground and they need for them to rethink their poor behavior.

But remember being skeptically silent is assertive. Meaning, if I try to get the last word.. will I get punched in the nose or some other bad result.

Speaking up in a group to speak is assertive because one is taking the "psychological space" of the whole group.

Hostile behavior: A person uses sarcasm and intimidation to get what they want. One may get what they want, but destroys the relationship afterwards.
It is easy to give up the benefits of hostile behavior when I value myself enough to avoid getting agitated over minor issues and when I am imperfect and incorrect.

Non-assertive behavior: (shy behavior) doing nothing about unpleasant situations and simply try to ignore ones feelings and desires. While it may prevent conflicts with others, one probably will wind up feeling helpless, exploited, angry, and disappointed with one’s self. Being “too shy” to do something.

For example, “I am sorry to bother you.” This is an example, of how being NICE sucks us into a non-assertive down-hill fall. vs. “I want to talk to you.” “ I need your help or I need or want to talk to you.”

or "It was nice talking to you." (when it wasn't and you didn't enjoy talking to them).

Basic Assertive Rights:

1. The right to act in ways that promote my dignity and self-respect as long as others’ rights are not violated in the process.
2. The right to be treated with respect.
3. The right to say no and not feel guilty.
4. The right to experience and express feelings.
5. The right to take time to slow down and think.
6. The right to change my mind.
7. The right to ask for what I want.
8. The right to do less than I are humanly capable of doing.
9. The right to ask for information.
10. The right to make mistakes.
11. The right to feel good about myself.
Must I always assert my rights?
No, I am always free to choose not to assert myself, assuming that I am also willing to take the responsibility for whatever consequences may then occur.
Source: The Assertive Option by Patricia Jakubowski and Arthur J. Lange
and NO TRESPASSING by Barker and Barker.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made Apr 18 at 2017 2:05 PM

MSG Michael McEleney — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 14:05:22 -0400

Make him/her an E-1

Response by SPC Joseph Durham made Apr 18 at 2017 3:14 PM

SPC Joseph Durham — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 15:14:25 -0400

First, I would drop the private to the front lean and rest.
Second, I would note the team leader to stay.
Third, I would start having the private do pushups while I explain the situation to the team leader.
Fourth, I would instruct the team leader as to what the private needs to do. And if the private does not do it to my satisfaction, then the team leader will be the one doing it.
I would make sure both know beyond a shadow of a doubt that what ever I say in formation are orders and not suggestions.
Finally, I would inspect that the job was completed to my satisfaction. Any back talk and I would ask my Platoon Sgt for an Article 15 hearing against the private with the expected penalty to be severe but be suspended unless the private makes demands again.

Response by SFC Wilford Coleman Jr, made Apr 18 at 2017 3:16 PM

SFC Wilford Coleman Jr, — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 15:16:44 -0400

Really?

Response by Capt Richard Barber made Apr 18 at 2017 4:18 PM

Capt Richard Barber — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:18:13 -0400

Gunny nailed it. Been there

Response by 1SG Alwyn Decoteau made Apr 18 at 2017 5:13 PM

1SG Alwyn Decoteau — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:13:05 -0400

The E-5 in me would have whooped his you know what but the First Sergeant in me would have simply made human offer he couldn't refuse. Either do as you're told to do or simply lose your rank, money, free time and if he still doesn't move, there's nothing an MP can't take care of. As a NCO I may not be able to put my hands on you put the MP's can. Just don't let emotions get you to a place where you're the one going to jail. If you know what I mean.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Apr 18 at 2017 5:16 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:16:39 -0400

Article 15, confined to quarters for a month. Sorry son, we're gonna make an example out of you.

Response by Sgt Wesley Wilson made Apr 18 at 2017 5:42 PM

Sgt Wesley Wilson — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 17:42:01 -0400

this happened when I was in basic, we all recieved restriction to barracks for two weeks, BLANKET PArTY @1a.m. NO MORE problems

Response by PO1 Richard Nyberg made Apr 18 at 2017 7:22 PM

PO1 Richard Nyberg — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:22:57 -0400

I would work that smart mouth out of him on every shit detail I could give him. That's from an old soldier and sailor

Response by SGT Justin Singleton made Apr 18 at 2017 7:40 PM

SGT Justin Singleton — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:40:29 -0400

Push. Now. No? Fine. Your entire fire team will push.

Response by SGT Sean Hale made Apr 18 at 2017 10:14 PM

SGT Sean Hale — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:14:56 -0400

First off i dont calmly tell them anything a second time. That is where you are going wrong by allowimg this punk to get to the point where they think they can talk to any NCO in a manner that their opinion counts. You obviously are the problem because this private thinks its ok to talk to you in that manner.

Response by MSG Pat SingR made Apr 19 at 2017 12:09 PM

MSG Pat SingR — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:09:14 -0400

Article 15, that's all it takes.

Response by PO1 Alvin S. made Apr 19 at 2017 12:36 PM

PO1 Alvin S. — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:36:48 -0400

You leave everyone in formation and tell the fresh E2 to step out and remind him what boot camp was like. Have him do pushups or any exercise of your choice until he realizes that you were not asking him to complete the tasks, you were ordering him.

Response by SPC Steven Oxley made Apr 19 at 2017 8:16 PM

SPC Steven Oxley — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 20:16:15 -0400

In my day it would ensured a boot in his ass.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 12:17 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 00:17:47 -0400

end that enlistment, incarcerate until paperwork is complete and a minimum 02 weeks with CCF, 1 month pay that does not effect separation monies to return POS back to hood, OK here it is simply he/she wants an immediate separation from contract, ok there are penalties everyone knows how far to push the break the contract, he/she went there, anyone above me can do with this POS whatever they want including bending over pamper or destroy as long as I get full backing for all to see and know that will outcome under those circumstances

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 1:02 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 01:02:14 -0400

Response by SSgt Donald Ostrem made Apr 21 at 2017 9:54 PM

SSgt Donald Ostrem — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 21:54:43 -0400

Do your job or I will use administration action. This includes talking to the first shirt and/or the Commander about this fiasco.

Response by SGT Pete Hodges II made Apr 21 at 2017 11:02 PM

SGT Pete Hodges II — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 23:02:30 -0400

I had troop like that. They would try to run the show and there mouth.that when you put the boot to them. all it takes is to put them on the pt yard and let them push pencil with there nose the length of the field one time thats all it take. No more BS.

Response by SFC Andres Ramirez King made Apr 23 at 2017 2:38 PM

SFC Andres Ramirez King — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 14:38:43 -0400

This didn't happen in the US ARMY I was in!

Response by SPC A.j. Amos made Apr 23 at 2017 10:44 PM

SPC A.j. Amos — Sun, 23 Apr 2017 22:44:49 -0400

I smoke his punk ASS for about an hour.....then I make him do the duty I gave him to do...when he has completed his task....I smoke him again for about another hour!!!! The next morning, I take him for a special PT and smoke him to complete muscle failure......after breakfast....we have another smoke session for about an hour.....He then strips and waxes floors all day.....when he is done with that, he cleans all latrines in barracks.....after that he gets smoked for about an hour.......at about 0300 he is awaken for stand to......does watch until sun up, then falls out for pt......he is then given a very special pt which brings on another case of muscle failure!!! he is sent for breakfast, then he has to clean all latrines with a toothbrush.....strip and wax all floors in barracks....then smoked for 2 hours......after that he is released for regular duty....if he ever mouths off again or refuses duty he will be taken out and shot for insubordination!!!!!

Response by 1SG Jim Carr made Apr 24 at 2017 12:00 AM

1SG Jim Carr — Mon, 24 Apr 2017 00:00:19 -0400

I was a PV1 who did that but for good reason (in my mind anyway). My Squad Leader took me to the First Shirt who sat me in his office and told me to wait there for him. That was a long wait on a hot seat for a well deserved ass chewing from Top. That only took about 5 minutes which seemed like two hours but it turned my career around. I used that rather simple technique numerous times.
James Carr, 1SG Retired US Army

Response by SGT J M Porters made Apr 25 at 2017 4:26 PM

SGT J M Porters — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:26:49 -0400

First of all he does not speak without permission. Then you break your foot off so far up his rear until it is shining from toe to hill. Remember you are in charge and if you can not do the job there are quite a few waiting for the chance. Duty assignments are not a debate. We are not here to be their budy. We are here to train and that means learning how to get the job done. You command respect from your troops because you have the rank. You also command respect because the 1stSGT is going to be in your behind if you do not get the job done.

Response by PO2 Glenn Crawford made Apr 27 at 2017 1:25 PM

PO2 Glenn Crawford — Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:25:23 -0400

The kid would be doing push-ups till the sun set!

Response by Cpl Ibrahim Hashi made Apr 28 at 2017 2:18 AM

Cpl Ibrahim Hashi — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 02:18:22 -0400

I've never seen that happen, and if a PFC ever had the gumption to mouth back to an NCO like that, their life would have been over. This isn't even a scenario that I had considered possible before, and had I been tested like that, I would have found a way to immediately remove that Marine from my platoon and would have inundated them with endless paperwork to get them admin separated out.

Response by LCpl Donald Faucett made May 1 at 2017 10:33 PM

LCpl Donald Faucett — Mon, 01 May 2017 22:33:27 -0400

That attitude is insubordinate and destructive to the unity of the outfit. A private corrective consultation would his first and last chance, to get squared away.

Response by PO3 John Wagner made May 1 at 2017 10:55 PM

PO3 John Wagner — Mon, 01 May 2017 22:55:58 -0400

Response by SFC Joseph Murphy made May 5 at 2017 5:04 PM

SFC Joseph Murphy — Fri, 05 May 2017 17:04:34 -0400

Light him/her up right then and there real short and quick. To take charge of situation. Deal with it right then and there. Short firm and to the point. Then in front of the platoon and VERY direct I would tell the Squad Leader, Team Leader and soldier in question to report to my office immediately after formation. After they report i would have the Team Leader and Soldier stand at parade rest outside
of office so he can sweat a little with door closed, so other can see him standing there with Team Leader. Instruct Team Leader that the Soldier is to keep mouth shut head and eyes front. Talk with squad leader find out what going on in his life. Dear John letter, death in family that type of thing or his he/she
just a shit bird. Then he becomes a leadership challenge. I will win. Also check with with Squad Leader to in sure know medical or mental health issues. If so send to appropriate offices.
Have an idea what i want for end results
so this behavior doesn't happen again with this Soldier and prevent it from occurring again in the platoon. During closed door discussion. With planned actions (and limits) for ass chewing then i begin. Have Team Leader and Soldier report 18 inches front and
center. Keep him at attention for a couple
of minutes. While i use verbal communication with inflection and deflection of voice, chew his ass.
Then give him parade rest. Talk with normal voice. Let him/her no what they did was wrong, reinforcing the point they all ready knew this. Let him/her talk. Use my experience as a leader, and learned problem solving techniques from NCO leadership schools. Let them no they will receive punishment for the disrespect. Soldiers history tells us how punishment. From ass chewing with push up's, to in- house punishment. Or more severe punishment up to and include UCMJ action. Fast, Firm, Direct and Fair.

Response by SPC Gary Hoffman made May 9 at 2017 9:26 AM

SPC Gary Hoffman — Tue, 09 May 2017 09:26:14 -0400

Ask if he is refus8ng a direct order.which is a punisshable offense

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2017 8:05 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 May 2017 20:05:06 -0400

Remind him he's wrong and outranked...?

Response by Cpl Ben Gray made May 10 at 2017 4:45 PM

Cpl Ben Gray — Wed, 10 May 2017 16:45:38 -0400

Take off the the collar candy and whoop that ass!

Response by PFC Aaron Blahus made May 11 at 2017 11:28 PM

PFC Aaron Blahus — Thu, 11 May 2017 23:28:29 -0400

Tell him to pack his shit and Road March the disobedience out of him.

Response by SSG Brian G. made May 14 at 2017 10:23 PM

SSG Brian G. — Sun, 14 May 2017 22:23:04 -0400

It's disrespect plain and simple, it's additionally insubordination. However you have to keep your cool as the Sergeant in charge of the formation. First things first? You drop that private into the front leaning rest position and have him count out pushups while you continue to hand out work assignments for the day. Further you assign someone else to supervise the private in the given detail, not letting him off the hook.

From there, later you write the private a counseling statement and make sure that is on record. Then have a professional talk with your platoon Sergeant and/or 1st Sergeant for recommendations.

Response by PO3 Daniel Starnes made May 16 at 2017 6:39 PM

PO3 Daniel Starnes — Tue, 16 May 2017 18:39:59 -0400

Dismiss formation and give E2 some one on one special instruction.
I am a proud Navy Man from 65 to 69, BROWN WATER.

Response by LCpl Mitch Hammond made May 17 at 2017 2:59 AM

LCpl Mitch Hammond — Wed, 17 May 2017 02:59:04 -0400

Throat chop followed with burn duty.

Response by PO2 Jim Rittich made May 19 at 2017 6:59 AM

PO2 Jim Rittich — Fri, 19 May 2017 06:59:09 -0400

If this is a 1st offense, counsel him privately. If the behavior continues, article 15

Response by SSG Ryan Egan made May 23 at 2017 12:27 AM

SSG Ryan Egan — Tue, 23 May 2017 00:27:20 -0400

Step one. Front leaning rest position, move. Finish handing out tasks for the day.
Step two. Office with that dips***s first line while dips**t is riding the make believe motorcycle as I type 2 counseling statements up. One for disrespect and the other for disobeying a direct order. Explain to lack of brains why they were wrong and that actions like that will not be tolerated. Then explain that both counselings have corrective actions consisting of early work call and late duty for no less than 13 days to include weekends, cleaning everything no one will ever see and common areas.
Step three. Reassess the brainless wonder after corrective actions are completed and see if any further steps are needed, ie ucmj and a swift boot to the back side by Uncle Sam!

Response by GySgt Rick Roy made May 25 at 2017 1:58 PM

GySgt Rick Roy — Thu, 25 May 2017 13:58:22 -0400

As a former Drill Instructor, I realize that an idiot like this will only get himself and others killed when the chips are down. Here's my gut reaction!
I would jump so far down his throat that he would do something really stupid! When he does, Court Martial, busted, brig time, and out of my Marine Corps! Had instances like this over my 20 years and gave found that it is a waste of my time to spend 90% of my time trying to square away the trash! Better to throw it out and work with Marines you will be able to count on!
Gysgt Rick Roy
USMC Ret.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2017 2:35 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 27 May 2017 14:35:01 -0400

What do you call an E-2 that gets reduced in rank by an Article-15? An E-1!!!! Correct!! Simple as that! Anything less than that means the E-5 is not worthy of his/her stripes! A second offense would be forfeiture of pay and confinement to company area! A third offense he goes to PFC "Poor Frickin Civilian" Ha! God Bless our Veterans! - Top

Response by SCPO Edward Westerdahl made May 30 at 2017 1:41 AM

SCPO Edward Westerdahl — Tue, 30 May 2017 01:41:31 -0400

I love your "You're at 400 ft and there's a fire in the Torpedo Room." Definitely Panic City. At that point you use everyone else to get the emergency fixed, then let them discipline him, maybe with a blanket party - course, on a sub, that might not be what happens - because of space.
I still like the idea of having him, or them, stand fast and finding out what his/their problem is, and being the manager to help fix their problem to finally fix your (discipline) problem. If that doesn't help, there is always EMI or Art.15.

Response by PO1 James Graat made May 30 at 2017 10:36 AM

PO1 James Graat — Tue, 30 May 2017 10:36:07 -0400

You have to take care of it right there, or you have allowed your authority to be undermined and now no one will respect you or obey you.

Response by SSG Patrick Williams made Jun 1 at 2017 12:07 AM

SSG Patrick Williams — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 00:07:58 -0400

In a calm voice "I tell you what. Since you don't like this assignment. Got some work to do after 5PM. I'll bring my lawn chair and you can bring a shovel. It will take us until about 9PM. So which is it?" Tell Squad leader I want a counseling statement on this soldier on my desk by noon!" Then make it happen at 5. All others get the message.

Response by LCpl James Perry made Jun 2 at 2017 2:23 PM

LCpl James Perry — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:23:46 -0400

I think the best thing to do is drop him from your patoon to another Platoon or CCP

Response by PO3 Thomas O'Brien made Jun 6 at 2017 8:29 AM

PO3 Thomas O'Brien — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 08:29:24 -0400

Fan room counseling.

Response by PO3 Thomas O'Brien made Jun 6 at 2017 8:39 AM

PO3 Thomas O'Brien — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 08:39:27 -0400

Fan room counseling.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2017 11:23 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 11:23:37 -0400

Sounds like he needs proper application of FM 22-102 (See link)
http://www.ncoer.com/wall.htm

In all seriousness, you cant tolerate this otherwise he will infect the rest of your squad. Actions you can take will depend on whether you are Active Duty or Reserve component. I'm sure there are some very good suggestions in this thread, whatever you do, it must be rectified.

WALL-TO-WALL COUNSELING FM 22-102

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Response by PVT Richard May made Jun 8 at 2017 1:18 PM

PVT Richard May — Thu, 08 Jun 2017 13:18:21 -0400

The problem is, our military is becoming pussyfied -
Hell, every time you turn around, someone can complain that you're picking on them and that their feelings got hurt.
The simply reality is, our military is not the military of years past. In the 80's that person would have been up on charges, and would have spent days regretting not doing assigned work.
Discipline is lacking seriously in our military units

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Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2017 12:32 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 12:32:13 -0400

The problem is both ways, Soldiers need guidance , but some leaders don't know how to lead, I have seen these changes spoken here but i am telling you that most of my counseling and mentoring and disciplining ids with Jr from all level. Leaders need to learn to lea and leading is not pick and choose it is leading in all. Soldier loose confident and respect where they see week leadership. Yes today's Military is changing to where one can't scream at Soldier's but there are leadership style's that make up for that and some just don't have it. SO we need to focus more on how we grow and our future leaders and remove those that ca't lead. Our Soldiers and country deserves better.

Response by PV2 Justin Williams made Jun 20 at 2017 11:57 AM

PV2 Justin Williams — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:57:59 -0400

Well honestly, I was a fresh E2 but I was at one time also my Platoon Guide. Leading a team is hard sometimes when even only one person wants to be an individual among other names that I won't disclose here. We know what we call them. While the first thought would be to go off on them and punish them hardcore, chances are it's not that they simply want attention or that they have a problem with authority. There are plenty of younger kids these days that lack discipline, because they weren't given it properly. It does sound like off the bat that he's relating the issue to just get attention and show his peers that he doesn't want to listen (class clowning), so you make an example out of him. You give him a little lesson by excluding him from the activity, but make him do it with some hardship. Have him duckwalk to a wall or post nearby, and then force him the into the human chair position until everyone else is done with that task. Once the task is complete, you make an example out of him to show both your authority, and to discipline him. That is when you give him some heat in front of everyone, showing him both integrity, humility, and embarassment. If And you be more persistent than he is. You've got all day to work, even if that means making an example of him. If he keeps on, you discipline him accordingly and at worst give that boy corrective duty to further the humbling experience, and hopefully you won't end up with the paperwork of an article 15. If so, then you do it. This will also show to the rest of them that you aren't messing around. In accordance, this is in absolute agreement with @GySgt Kenneth Pepper. And as with other's responses, you must read into what fellow company you are in as to handle the situation properly. You're a leader, and it's your job. Be a leader. As a drill Sgt., your job is to break them down to build them up to proper standards. Without the first step though, often times it's impossible to mold someone accordingly if you don't show pride in your own "work".

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2017 1:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:07:56 -0400

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2017 1:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:09:08 -0400

Me....!!!!

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jun 22 at 2017 8:38 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 20:38:20 -0400

As an officer, I would expect my first sgt to do all in his power to get this E2s head screwed on right and if that fails, to bring me in for recommendations under UCMJ. Insubordination cannot be allowed to grow among the enlisted ranks.

Response by LTC William Murray made Jun 23 at 2017 10:36 PM

LTC William Murray — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:36:12 -0400

I like some to all of the comments below. I especially like the ones of having this individual stand fast with his team leader and get the TL involved. However, sense the NCO cannot commence the laying on of hands any more in the military; I would suggest no matter what is discovered for the attitude problem, a counseling statement must be completed and filed on this individual. Another thought if you have not got the First Sergeant involved yet is the Platoon leader needs to write him a counseling statement also. I have spent way to much time watch NCO's try and rehabilitate Mr. Attitude when he really needs to be a civilian. He is part of the 10%. Plus don't you NCO have something called the self defense pit. Sounds like training time to me. If the attitude continues get rid of him and move on.
Bill Murray LTC (Retired)

Response by SFC Joseph Dunphy made Jun 25 at 2017 2:45 PM

SFC Joseph Dunphy — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:45:56 -0400

Here s a suggestion for a situation like this, but you have to be prepared. Ignore the taunt. Call everyone to attention. Pull out of your pocket a copy of a Medal of Honor citation, and start reading it. My personal favorite at the moment is the one finally awarded artillery officer Alonzo Cushing at the Battle of Gettysburg. Who remained at his post, firing artillery during the height of Pickett s charge, holding his exposed guts in one arm, and continuing to fight with the other. The other person chose to try to humiliate the chain of command in public. In this case, swift and public response is justified. I don't think anyone could win a complaint where the allegation is that you read a medal of honor citation in formation as a way to motivate your troops.

Response by Sgt Darrin Momsen made Jun 26 at 2017 4:30 AM

Sgt Darrin Momsen — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:30:45 -0400

We have a lot of Officers on here. Paperwork is a way to start an end to a career. This is a person we have not yet figured out how to mentor. I had a similar experience. We were in Afghanistan doing base communications. We were doing our evening changeover and a Lance Corporal from another section said, "Fucking Sergeant Momsen." At least that is what I heard. I got with the Sgt in charge of his section and we discussed my plan. Together we handed him a copy of article 91 and let him read it. I gave him a counseling and that was the end of that. I had no further problems for the remainder of the deployment.

Response by LTC Rudy Schulz made Jun 27 at 2017 2:57 PM

LTC Rudy Schulz — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:57:53 -0400

Jack that shit-stain up like a Chevy with a flat tire. You have to kill that crap immediately. That bum would be pushing dirt until he knocks the earth off its axis.

Response by A1C Michael Beal made Jun 27 at 2017 3:21 PM

A1C Michael Beal — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:21:08 -0400

Office Hours and some paperwork!!!!

Response by SPC Joseph Durham made Jun 29 at 2017 2:51 PM

SPC Joseph Durham — Thu, 29 Jun 2017 14:51:22 -0400

I had this problem. I was that E2. But what my Squad Leader told me after taking me aside changed me for ever. He said he did not hand out assignments lightly. Some assignments are rewards for hard work. Some assignments must be done by who ever has the time. Some assignments are punishments. Yet others are for training. But in the end, he expects everybody under his command to do any of the assignments given. My assignment that day was to clean the bathroom. This actually was the first time at this unit that I was assigned this. I had to prepare my CO's jeep for inspection that day. But that would have to be my late day assignment. The bathroom needed cleaning. I scrubbed the bathroom to superior standards. TOP was impressed when he did his walk through. I ate lunch, went to the motor pool. I spent the night putting in a new wiring harness, a couple of new lights, brakes, and two new tires. By morning, I had enough time to wash the entire vehicle. My CO inspected it and was surprised that he could not find any dirt, grease, or oil on his jeep. And that everything was working correctly after all the other people worked on it.
So, I learned that anybody can work through the night to accomplish goals. I learned that compliments are only given if they are deserved. From that point on, I made it my mission to be deserving of a lot more compliments.

Response by SPC Bogus Cornett made Jun 29 at 2017 5:33 PM

SPC Bogus Cornett — Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:33:56 -0400

I would probably say, son you would rather piss in your mommas cornbread than piss me off! Now drop and do push ups until your arms fall off or you will be getting a article 15 so fast that your head will be spinning

Response by SPC Eddie Esparza made Jun 30 at 2017 12:29 PM

SPC Eddie Esparza — Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:29:33 -0400

punish everyone else in his platoon for E2 disobedience, and remind the rest of the platoon to thank the E2,he is going to have to sleep with one eye open.

Response by SFC Olivero Rodriguez made Jun 30 at 2017 2:00 PM

SFC Olivero Rodriguez — Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:00:46 -0400

I just have to laugh, he could disagree, with me but he will do what I ask of him, unless I am asking him to kill himself or someone else, he has no other way to go. Do what I ask and we be OK, disrespect me and you will be in trouble. There is no need to ask someone else to do what you was told, specially if I told you in front of the other subordinates and you have lost it when you tell me to give it to someone else. Wrong answer.

Response by PO2 Gerry Roberson Sr. made Jul 2 at 2017 3:29 PM

PO2 Gerry Roberson Sr. — Sun, 02 Jul 2017 15:29:22 -0400

Navy! Remind Mr. Barfmouth just how deep the Pacific Ocean is, and just how far away CONUS is to swim and demand an instant replay to see if that tape was recorded properly. Furthermore, ask him if he swims faster than the sharks watching him thinking of noon chow.

Response by MSgt Fred Powers made Jul 4 at 2017 10:11 PM

MSgt Fred Powers — Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:11:41 -0400

Back in my SAC SP days, anyone who disrespected anyone of a higher rank found themselves walking the Alert Tanker Area for a month. If the attitude was not adjusted by then, it usually went on towards an Article 15 and involuntary release from the AF.

Response by MSG Bill Fleming made Jul 6 at 2017 1:00 AM

MSG Bill Fleming — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 01:00:52 -0400

Like the GySgt said, nip it in the bud right then and there. Any show of disrespect can have an adverse effect on the effective leadership.

Response by SFC Larry Vittetoe made Jul 6 at 2017 5:04 PM

SFC Larry Vittetoe — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 17:04:49 -0400

As a senior NCO I would have kept my military bearing the respect for this young man because he was an American Soldier but when I got through with his smart mouth that would be the last time he mad at anyone because when I got through tempting to court-martial him his life would be miserable and as a lot of senior ncos out there that would do the same thing but they don't want anybody to know it I work too hard to get where I was and I was not going to take no mouth off of an enlisted I didn't you take it off ncos of the same rank. I was a first sergeant and a line unit in Korea I was a battalion operations NCO I was in a senior instructor from my MOS I was just subject matter expert for the school,. During the first time in the desert spent numerous hours on the phone talking to people in the war zone and even had to go over there so I was not going to take no mouth off no private.

Response by PO3 John Priest made Jul 6 at 2017 5:56 PM

PO3 John Priest — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 17:56:31 -0400

The same way I handle new employees here in Civilian life...I raise my eyebrow, let them know with liquid nitrogen cold menacing calm that I can make them regret it if they don't, and allow them an opportunity to apologize and turn to.

"No second chances"

When under my leadership they should l know I won't assign anything I hadn't done myself before, and I'm not at all afraid to drag him by his short hairs if need be to the next level of authority (who probably gave me the order to pass down)...and they will decide whether or not the person needs written up.

If it's someone that's giving my seniors under me grief, I will listen, and take appropriate action, especially if it's something that is a pass down order through me. Chain of Command will be observed with little questioning and no disrespect.

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Jul 6 at 2017 5:57 PM

PVT Raymond Lopez — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 17:57:28 -0400

See if he is smart enough to make me laugh I hate to be in a battle of wits with an unarmed man!!

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Jul 15 at 2017 2:37 AM

CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) — Sat, 15 Jul 2017 02:37:46 -0400

First offense I would pull him aside to privately (no pun intended) find out if something else is going on. I've found this to be very effective assuming this isn't a problem Soldier. If just being an ass, counseling and Art 15. I would never hit a Soldier but I can be rather menacing and frightening I'm told.

This whole thing flies in my face of what I'd truly want to do - something out of "Full Metal Jacket." Ask the next senior Soldier why he wasn't stomping Pvt Shithead's guts out right now. That's the kind of basic training I went through and the Army I knew from 1978 till around 1990 or so. If he caught me on a bad day it might go this way but regardless, the days of beating the crap out of someone are long gone.

Response by SSG John Martinez made Jul 17 at 2017 1:29 PM

SSG John Martinez — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:29:36 -0400

Back in my ARMY it was, FIRST counseling in the Platoon, NCO room with all the platoons NCOs present . SECOND Counseling again with all the the NCOs of the platoon, present, and maybe some noise coming from the walls, Third it was called, a G.I. Party, fourth it was Out of the Army for the DUD. , But yes I get it, that was then and now is now.

Response by SGT Randall .jay Gamble made Jul 17 at 2017 3:17 PM

SGT Randall .jay Gamble — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:17:13 -0400

not unless dude has med pofile id smoke his ass

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2017 12:52 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:52:21 -0400

In the Air Force, we work within the concept of "progressive discipline", and while that's the prescribed method in other services, I think the AF adheres pretty strictly to this doctrine. But I'm old school (been in the military since '87, prior service US Coast Guard... come from a family of military members ranging from Army, Marines, Air Force and Navy). My first instinct is to conduct some "wall-to-wall" counseling with this PFC. But not wanting to be standing tall before the man answering to abuse charges, I'll defer to verbal counseling, followed by paperwork.

Just recently I had to do something along these lines. I have a troop who does not seem to know how to manage his time or schedule. Has stood up our commander and superintendent (E-9) on one occasion, been late for training meetings, and blown off others in our unit for meetings and briefings HE coordinated. This newly-minted Staff Sergeant is a good guy and knows his stuff, but he just can't seem to manage his time or schedule wisely! My big beef with him (and I made it known to him already) is not being updated on his screw ups, so that when the Major asks me where he is I don't have a dumbfounded look on my face. I also said the next time he misses a meeting or screws up his schedule and doesn't fix it ahead of time, I'm giving him paperwork. This will be in the form of a letter of counseling (LOC), which goes into his permanent record. He knows this, and is trying hard to keep his record clean.

Would I handle PFC Dumbass the same way? I don't know. As other posters have said, this all depends on the situation. If PFC Dumbass can turn himself around during this "counseling" session, then all is well. I know many people who started off as arrogant assholes, but through proper mentorship and guidance, turned out to be stellar Airmen. I would enjoy nothing better than to help this Staff Sergeant (and other people like PFC Dumbass) become valuable and contributing members of our force!

Response by PFC Eric Parrish made Jul 20 at 2017 3:17 PM

PFC Eric Parrish — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:17:00 -0400

EMI After 20 or 30 fighting holes are dug the lips will seal. Or wall to wall counseling if you are so inclined.

Response by PFC Eric Parrish made Jul 20 at 2017 3:21 PM

PFC Eric Parrish — Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:21:50 -0400

EMI, After 20 or 30 fighting holes attitudes should improve. Or a wall to wall counseling session may suffice.

Response by SSG Bill Moore made Jul 22 at 2017 1:01 AM

SSG Bill Moore — Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:01:54 -0400

I would drop his a** and the rest of the formation to some immediate and rigorous PT. I would let his fellow soldiers know that thanks to Private D***head they will get more of the same each and every time he opened his mouth to say anything but " Yes Sargent ".

Response by SSG William Cox made Jul 23 at 2017 1:29 PM

SSG William Cox — Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:29:47 -0400

Demonstrate to all that this behavior is unacceptable and reprimand with with an article 15..... in the old day.... we would "smoke" that soldier so he would understand the consequences of his insubordination. Of course the extra curricular training would be related to the offense

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Jul 27 at 2017 12:46 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:46:25 -0400

In my 40 years in the military, I have never had that happen to me. You need to carry your self as a professional at all times, on and off duty. No matter what level of leadership you are in command of that unit. No matter what, your soldiers must know that and respect your authority. They have to have the confidence that you know what you are doing. In combat, when you give an order they need to follow that order. To many Officers and NCOs put them selves in the situation you have described. That is not professional at all. You are in the military, not in some political group.

Response by Capt Dwayne Conyers made Jul 27 at 2017 2:33 PM

Capt Dwayne Conyers — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:33:30 -0400

Well LTJG Private RallyPoint Member… insert combat boot into rectum. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ Repeat liberally.

Response by PO2 William Collins made Jul 27 at 2017 6:52 PM

PO2 William Collins — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 18:52:58 -0400

write them up. let the jarheads at the brig work them over.

Response by SPC James Dixon made Jul 27 at 2017 10:10 PM

SPC James Dixon — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 22:10:46 -0400

If it was the first time this has happened I would give out all the other tasks that need too be performed and have the Private stand fast and meet me in private too see exactly what the troops issue is. After I gave Him/Her the chance too explain as there might be something more serious going on here I would send the troop on there way. If they still refuse ART15 as I dont have time too waste on troops that don't want to comply. If this has happened before drop them too make an example of what not too do and issue a ART15 of course. If it continues past that well they will be on there their way out soon.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made Jul 29 at 2017 7:26 PM

LTC Ronald Stephens — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 19:26:00 -0400

Have to agree with Gunny Pepper. The first step in the process of eliminating improper behavior is to start at the lowest level of authority and explain the issue to the miscreant first hand so he is fully aware of all of the ramifications of said behavior, then outline what the potential punishment might be from company punishment in an Article 15 all the way to an administrative discharge under AR 635-212 (or the respective service's equivalent) which is doubtful given the nature of his behavior but more likely under AR 635-206 (again or the respective service's equivalent) which could result in another than honorable discharge. A summary court martial is also a probable outcome for continued insubordination. Then at that point, since the offense has already been committed, give him the order one more time. If I got the same result. I would request that he be brought up on charges for insubordination.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2017 6:15 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 06:15:02 -0400

How anyone reacts depends on if they are 'in the "clique" with the higher chain of command. For many years as a senior E-6 I had this very problem along with several other problems with the higher command. Eventually, it led to receiving a certified letter in the mail explaining that I was honorably discharged from the military and could not rejoin any military branch anywhere within my state of Tennessee. I was not allowed to appeal or know why I was being discharged. I am happy to say I served and stood my ground to being treated unfairly. Today's military is NOT for me !!!! I encourage anyone thinking of joining the military to continue their education and find a career outside the military.

Response by SPC Clayton Ellzey made Aug 4 at 2017 11:57 AM

SPC Clayton Ellzey — Fri, 04 Aug 2017 11:57:42 -0400

First of all I would rather fight a grizzly bear covered in elk steaks than mouth off at the NCOs in my first duty station.
That being said on the spot corrected action should be taken along with every shit detail to be found.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 7 at 2017 2:29 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 14:29:28 -0400

First dismiss all other team members. Then ask quietly what is this airmans problem with his/her assigned duty. If this airman proceeds to mouth off more, you proceed to write him up, Letter of Counselling (LOC). Take this problem child to your immediate section supervisor, explain this child's problem with authority and present his LOC. Watch problem child's reaction to his mouthing off. He'll mouth off again to the section supervisor, who will give this child another LOC which the supervisor will immediately kick this up to the squadron executive officer. Who will most likely recommend extra duty or Article 15 action. With the right to accept non judical punishment or court marshal, this airman might go for court marshal. But after spending a month in jail (with details), he/she might see the light. But it will be too late to find religion.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Aug 7 at 2017 11:00 PM

SSG Dave Johnston — Mon, 07 Aug 2017 23:00:39 -0400

In the '70s & '80s the commands of Half right, FACE; front leaning rest position; MOVE; then explain again to the entire Squad/section the assignments for the day and the reason for the front leaning rest position was because PVT XXX did not comprehend the assignments when you stated them the first time. Usually the issue was resolved by the junior enlisted behind your back. Today however...

Response by SSG Edward Slusser made Aug 8 at 2017 2:07 PM

SSG Edward Slusser — Tue, 08 Aug 2017 14:07:37 -0400

The senior E5 schedules an extra training session at the end of the work day. The extra session consist of digging a 4 ft. hole. After the hole is dug, the E5 goes to inspect the hole but has a newspaper with him. The E5 throws the newspaper into the hole and tells the E2 to fill in the hole. After the hole is filled in the E5 asks the E2 what the headlines were on the newspaper. The E2's response is I do not know. The E5 then requires the E2 to dig the newspaper up and find out. The E5 then responds with a remark like "Outstanding". Now fill the hole back in, explaining to the E2 that orders are to be obeyed, to let this training session be a reminder to follow all orders that come from others that outrank him. Note: this is not extra duty or punishment, but merely extra training in discipline.

Response by PO1 George Rae made Aug 9 at 2017 7:40 PM

PO1 George Rae — Wed, 09 Aug 2017 19:40:14 -0400

They'd find out in about 1 millisecond that I could chew ass and get their attention faster than any D.I./Company Commander ever could.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Aug 10 at 2017 7:41 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 19:41:27 -0400

NONE dared sass me,they knew I would hit them regardless of regs ,rules or opinions.You hired on to do a JOB and BY GOD that job WILL be done,as too insults, well, THAT is basic communication before one achieves the rank of an NCO.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Aug 10 at 2017 8:14 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:14:23 -0400

March him out of voice reach and leave him there. Don't yell at him or berate him. Then find your superior and ask him where he would like you to put him

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2017 7:28 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Aug 2017 19:28:34 -0400

We called wall to wall counselling and not only had to deal with power enlisted had to deal with a few fresh 2nd it
Ok the army changed not for the good this shit need to be stoped asap.

Response by Cpl Justin Velez made Aug 16 at 2017 5:10 PM

Cpl Justin Velez — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:10:42 -0400

At the end of formation, I would pull the "smart mouth" E-2 and a senior solider and have a word with the E-2 that is not the way you conduct yourself as a military personnel. Than you have the senior soldier and the "smart mouth" E-2 donthe task that you assigned him to do together.

Response by SSgt James Connolly made Aug 17 at 2017 6:19 PM

SSgt James Connolly — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:19:35 -0400

I would pray that this incident would not come up in any of my people. They would all ready know that he just screwed the rest of the Plt. Only takes one and every one pays the price. Yes I would correct him and the rest of the people losing their liberty we would never have shitbird do it again.

Response by SSG Steve Mossman made Aug 17 at 2017 8:07 PM

SSG Steve Mossman — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:07:13 -0400

An E Duce , as I remember is a Private, not Private Firse Class, as You Were, the Private would have Duty for about a month after an ass reaming He would never forget, if I got flack the Private would become a Private Fucking Civilian...

Response by Cpl Jim Adkins made Aug 17 at 2017 8:39 PM

Cpl Jim Adkins — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:39:22 -0400

To complain is normal, to tell a E5 to shove it is a bery big mistake. I would quickly call him to attention and help him extract his head out of his ass. them i would order him to the pushup position where i would make him recite the E2 warrent word for word all while in the pushup position. then i would give him a page 11 entry into his SRB for insubordination, then he would get barracks restriction for a couple of weeks, then i would pull him off to the side and ask him if he understands just how miserable i can make his life. if he responds properly i may consider removing him from my shit list

Response by CPL Ignazzio Flores made Aug 17 at 2017 9:42 PM

CPL Ignazzio Flores — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:42:00 -0400

Inform his team leader about the next step, that would be article 15th 45/45. N reduction in rank and grade. The most important thing for any military member is OUR PERSONAL TIME...

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Aug 18 at 2017 1:44 PM

SGT Jody Beach — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:44:53 -0400

"Front lean rest position ,,,,,,MOVE ,,,,,, " No time for the bullshit. If your in combat you do not have time for this shit. When everyone is doing the assigned jobs you come back to him and find out whats up. Then make the choice if this person needs to even be in the service anymore.
If one of my employees told me no I would send them home for good.
Eight years I served. I cleaned toilets, dishes, hallways. Worked hours on hours. Earned rank and became a leader. I knew what I signed up for and so does he.
Roll his ass out the door.........

Response by PO2 Walt Setzer made Aug 18 at 2017 11:50 PM

PO2 Walt Setzer — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:50:29 -0400

In 1972 I was the E-5 night shift supervisor in my squadron's power plants shop. I supervised two other E-5s, but I was supervisor and inspector.

After the others had completed some work on the engines on an SH-3 helicopter, I inspected it and went into sign it off so it could be flight tested. I told one of the other two to install the firewall between the engines, and he told me to do it myself. I informed him that he had 3 choices, replace the firewall, get written up, or have me kick his ass. He chose to replace the firewall. I looked over at our E-9 Maintenance Chief, and he just smiled.

Response by SFC Malcolm Haugen made Aug 24 at 2017 11:02 PM

SFC Malcolm Haugen — Thu, 24 Aug 2017 23:02:52 -0400

Simple. I bring it to his attention infront of the formation, tell that person come see me after formation, get statements from others in formation and then council them. Take the counseling to the first seargeant and start Article 15 proceedings. Hit them in the pocket, they may think twice.

Response by PO3 B Al Eisen made Aug 27 at 2017 6:31 PM

PO3 B Al Eisen — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 18:31:36 -0400

I would write them up for attitude adjustment training.

Response by MSgt James Slawson made Aug 29 at 2017 9:15 AM

MSgt James Slawson — Tue, 29 Aug 2017 09:15:55 -0400

Immediately pull him or her out of formation take to office and councel. Remember, praise in public discipline in private.

Response by SSgt Steven Reese made Aug 31 at 2017 11:08 AM

SSgt Steven Reese — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:08:27 -0400

There is a 1980's reaction and a 2000s' reaction. When I was a PFC in the early 80's. I told a young Sgt. I couldn't stand his ass, due to him badgering me constantly......When I got off the ground and dusted myself off from being bodyslammed I realized that I may have gotten too comfortable with him. Most leaders by their Bearing and demeanor will rarely run into this scenario, so I would say take the young man to the side and explainined to him how things are. Don't ruin your career over someone else.

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Aug 31 at 2017 12:13 PM

CPO Glenn Moss — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 12:13:11 -0400

Wow! This question popped up, even dated from almost a year ago, with over 2,900 comments!

But I'll give it my answer anyway, buried though it may be.

The answer is to set the individual up and separate him from his peers prior to taking any action.

First of all, you are not alone...you're part of a command structure and you have people of power and authority above you (and him). USE THAT!

The way to use that is to communicate with your immediate superior(s) about the problem you're having; and when you do, take the time to discuss your proposed plan of action. This keeps them in the loop, let's them know that YOU have a plan, and gives them an opportunity to advise you/work with you on the resolution. This is important, because if YOU are the one who is in charge of this group of people, then you want it known that YOU are the one who wants to get this under control because YOU are in charge.

I look at it this way...when I was an E-5/E-6, I ran my work group/division the way I saw fit, taking care of the work AND my people. When I needed the power of "The Anchor", I quite literally went to my Chief with the problem, my proposed solution, and essentially "assigned" him the task I needed his anchors to resolve. ("Assign"...meaning in an appropriately diplomatic way. But it leaves it clear WHO is running the division. (Me.)) Of course, my Chief may have other views or advice, but that was between me and him and NOT the rest of my division. In front of the division, we're united.

So the "set up" is discussing with your immediate superiors what the problem is, your resolution, and getting their full support on how you plan to resolve this THROUGH their support.

The "separation" part means exactly that...take him away from his audience. Guys like this are looking to make an *ss out of you in front of others for their entertainment and to undercut your authority. If you cannot control him in front of them, you lose. Therefore, do not give him the opportunity to undercut you in front of anybody. This effectively kneecaps him in front of his peers.

You can separate him from the rest by either calling him out personally through some directive (like to an office or such) or by dismissing the rest of the troops. Calling him out gives him an opportunity to defy you in front of others. Dismissing the rest gives him less of an opportunity, but he may still defy you by leaving as well. So plan for this as part of your setup. YOU have to be the one in control.

You can exert your control/authority in the separation process by being appropriately backed up by your superiors. This can be done any number of ways. You can inform him that "The Chief" is waiting for him to report to his office and then dismiss him to do so. This is an authority coming from you that he cannot ignore without consequence. You can have "The Chief" present when you separate him or dismiss the others. This, also, is an authority he cannot flaunt in your presence without consequence.

Once he's separated and in front of you AND your Chief, THEN the process of yanking a knot in his scrote can begin.

This undercuts his attempts, lets the rest of the division know YOU'RE the one taking action, and brings power to bear that he cannot ignore out of sight of the rest of the division (even though they know what's happening), and lets this guy know YOU are the one bringing this power to bear against him.

WHATEVER YOU DO...you cannot afford to lose control with him or around him...this means both your temper AND your authority over him. Part of leadership is realizing you're not alone and that there are others who can help...learn to use this.

Response by TSgt Mario Guajardo made Aug 31 at 2017 5:45 PM

TSgt Mario Guajardo — Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:45:00 -0400

Speak to him in private. Make it clear in no uncertain terms that you will NOT tolerate this insubordination. Make sure he knows the consequences then follow through as appropriate.

Response by SSG Dennis Wood made Sep 1 at 2017 4:00 PM

SSG Dennis Wood — Fri, 01 Sep 2017 16:00:32 -0400

Tell him, "you obviously lost your mind." Pull him aside, counsel him. Inform him that a pattern of misconduct would result in recommndation for UCMJ. Then put him on every shit detail for a month.

Response by SGT Milton Pridemore made Sep 1 at 2017 10:13 PM

SGT Milton Pridemore — Fri, 01 Sep 2017 22:13:07 -0400

You gotta Ask?? Maybe you shouldnt be E-5? Bust this asshat to E-1 and give him an Article and talk to the commander through Chain of Command of course about dumping him back on the street. Looks in every way he don't wanna be there...make it happen!

Response by SSgt Randy Waters made Sep 3 at 2017 8:20 PM

SSgt Randy Waters — Sun, 03 Sep 2017 20:20:21 -0400

Hold PFC Smart Ass after formation with his Squad/Team leader. Bring down the path of God upon him and explain what will happen to him the next time this happen......doll out a few reminders, EPD etc., release him then explain to the Squad/Team Ready my expectations and ask him if he likes his job......if it happens again, drop kick too PFC all the way to the brig, seek admin discharge then counsel the Team/Squad leader and give him some guidance on how to handle troublesome Marines. Of course I'm Old and cranky so i might be a little out of line.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Sep 6 at 2017 9:31 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:31:16 -0400

Make him an E-1

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Sep 7 at 2017 5:43 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:43:10 -0400

As an E2 who mouthed off in basic, I can tell you that no matter what you do, it's not going to change that shit bricks mind. This entitlement process has fucked our military. You're not going to be the only one who has this happen. As an E4, deployed to Iraq, it was my job to keep my gun trucks running. I had a fresh off the line truck scheduled to leave the wire. I couldn't and wouldn't let anyone else from it or even operate it in the motorpool until I test drove it. I was written up by A CPL because if insubordination. I couldn't care anyways. If they died it rolled over, it was my ass, not theirs. Team/Squad leaders gotta know what's going on long before this shit happens.

To answer my feelings on it, fuck his life up. Fuck him up so bad he's wished he was swallowed. Communication goes both ways and orders are only orders when they're clear.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Sep 15 at 2017 12:17 AM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Fri, 15 Sep 2017 00:17:58 -0400

In the old days some "fan room counseling" would have been the order of the day ... in today's kinder, gentler military?

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Sep 17 at 2017 9:10 PM

PO1 Tom Follis — Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:10:19 -0400

See me after quarters

Response by SSG Jerel Parker made Sep 19 at 2017 1:43 AM

SSG Jerel Parker — Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:43:21 -0400

For the private to react in that manner, he/she did not get fully oriented in Basic or advanced training. So now you are stuck with getting his attention, and explaining his role in the rank structure. Then of course if he has a problem with that then you ramp up your response to get his attention, as to what will happen if he further refuses your orders from this point forward. Then if that doesn't work then threaten his career with punitive actions. Wall to wall therapy from the old days get you in trouble, but self defense is always necessary if he is stupid enough to swing on you. Old ways are not always dead, just smoothed over with red tape.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2017 2:59 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Sep 2017 02:59:24 -0400

Pull the punk out of formation, have a little one-way conversation about the organization he signed the dotted line in order to join and is stuck in for four years, have said conversation documented (because now we have hurt feelings and paperwork instead of real men and women in today's military), and if there's a future infraction, push for public NJP and make an example of them in front of the entire company. I'm entirely against paperwork and ruining careers for potentially fixable Marines, but that's how we must conduct business per today's standards.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2017 9:51 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Sep 2017 09:51:39 -0400

Immediate referral for article 15. Can't have that.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2017 10:03 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Sep 2017 10:03:48 -0400

I had a private smartmouth embarrass me once in a training class after I just made buck sergeant. I had been out of the field army for a while on special assignment and my NBC skills were lacking. Hence the embarrassment. A week or so later, the private smartmouth found himself in a drunken pickle and in violation of post rules. Suddenly, he realized the error of his ways. He learned a valuable lesson about Karma.

Response by SP5 Larry Morris made Sep 23 at 2017 1:44 PM

SP5 Larry Morris — Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:44:29 -0400

in my day his ass would have been beat

Response by PFC Robert Rice made Sep 28 at 2017 11:04 AM

PFC Robert Rice — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 11:04:35 -0400

I was never an NCO but I can tell you that respect is due to that NCO. He earned his rank! If I was In that formation and heard that shit whether I was an NCO or not I would personally put my boot up that E-2's ass. There is no room for that kind of disrespect.

Response by Cpl Bryan Clark made Sep 29 at 2017 2:23 PM

Cpl Bryan Clark — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:23:01 -0400

An E-2?? That happens?? Does he still have teeth?? I know I know not in today's cuddly military.

Response by Sgt Richard Meyers made Sep 29 at 2017 8:12 PM

Sgt Richard Meyers — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 20:12:23 -0400

"Sometimes people are defiant because something happened and they feel out of control so they try to take it wherever they can no matter how inappropriate. Sometimes a wife cheated or a parent died. Sometimes the hospital calls and congratulates you on having cancer" Really??? How about they are defiant because someone is shooting at them in combat or their buddy was just blown to pieces? Don't you think the whole purpose of unquestionable compliance to any lawful order is to make the Marine follow that order in spite of the horrible circumstances he/she is confronted with? When the mission is to take the beach, no one cares if you've had a bad day, the only thing that matters is that you complete your mission.

Response by PO1 Oscar the Veteran Submariner made Oct 11 at 2017 1:47 PM

PO1 Oscar the Veteran Submariner — Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:47:23 -0400

PFC Shitbird needs to remain while the rest are dismissed. I need to explain that his life just changed and I am taking a personal interest in his career. He would then be asked to follow his orders and it would be explained that all of us need to work together and no job no matter how demeaning is unnecessary to our mission. I would add some supervised extra duty and a written report on Article 91 and how he violated it.

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Oct 13 at 2017 6:28 PM

LTC Russ Smith — Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:28:55 -0400

Disobeying an order, disrespect to a senior NCO Article 15. Tighten all the sphincters simultaneously.

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Oct 14 at 2017 9:58 AM

PO3 J.W. Nelson — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:58:39 -0400

Well, in my days in the U.S. Navy, this young so-called man would have been scrubbin' the deck with a toothbrush for the next six months. That I think would be a good start !!

Response by SSgt Nicholas Merchant made Oct 16 at 2017 4:33 AM

SSgt Nicholas Merchant — Mon, 16 Oct 2017 04:33:59 -0400

Attitude reflects leadership.... if a troop feels he can act out in such a manor and show complete lack of respect for orders given then problem is most likely starring you in the face through the mirror. I put e4 on and was assigned 5 troops. One of these troops doing his job on a nuke base

Response by CPL Karl Tubbs made Oct 17 at 2017 9:48 AM

CPL Karl Tubbs — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:48:55 -0400

A few weeks in CCF will curb that piehole. This is old school thinking ('84-'93). There where dire ramifications if you showed any disrespect.

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made Oct 29 at 2017 12:47 PM

SGT Kyle Bickley — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 12:47:36 -0400

Up against me back in the day? Your my dog! We are going to play games my way! Full ruck at 50 pounds, lbe, helmet! You are two steps to the left, two steps back. If I stop you immediately go to parade rest, if I turn around you go to position of attention immediately and drop to the front leaning rest and commence 20 push-ups, you will do this for a solid week! At night you are restricted to barracks, this will continue into the weekend which is now mine. I will volunteer you for 1SG detail during the extent of the weekend. Failure to follow my orders will result in a summary article 15. Bet your last dollar I would pursue it! I will have discipline in my ranks and make an example of you to the others. I actually did this with the blessings of Top and the CSM. He made the mistake of complaining to them. After they found out about his insubordination they wanted a piece of him. I don't know how they do it now but back in the day we didn't play. Running your mouth had severe consequences.

Response by Cpl Charles Turnbull made Oct 29 at 2017 5:58 PM

Cpl Charles Turnbull — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 17:58:27 -0400

Take the young Pfc aside and explain he does not have the right to refuse orders .. He will either comply or face Punishment under Article 15 UCMJ.. Conduct continues separate from Military.. Do not pass them along and make some one else put him out..My unit we had 2 types of Troops those that we were keeping in and those we were putting out!

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Oct 29 at 2017 6:00 PM

MAJ Montgomery Granger — Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:00:30 -0400

Ask him how much he enjoyed being an E1.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2017 2:26 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:26:29 -0400

Smoke session

Response by SPC Matthew Hart made Nov 3 at 2017 3:11 PM

SPC Matthew Hart — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:11:22 -0400

... we're gonna have FUN. "PVT F---face what is your problem? Don't like following orders eh? You say your an individual eh? Well tell that to your buddies to your left and your right. Cause they are your new best battle buddies. And everytime you f--- up they are foing to fireman cary you to your next location where they and you will complete what ever task I ask of you. Don't make me give you more best buddies. Cause I when it reaches six I'll let them counsel you as they see fit."

Response by SPC Matthew Hart made Nov 3 at 2017 3:47 PM

SPC Matthew Hart — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 15:47:21 -0400

I would get creative with him and his battles. I might be i sensitive but at that point I wouldn't care. If he's gonna go suicidal and/or have issues with following lawful commands how the hecl do you think he is going to behave underfire? Chances ate he is going to get his battles killed. I'd rather correct it in a creative way that either pushes him over so that I can ship him home or he stops being a f---face and does as he is told.

As for creativity...if we are back at home I might make him and his battles tale a hill and put up an 0e-254 while under fire from op4. I'd ask the rest of the platoon to play op4. Then tell him he doesn't get to go home till one of two conditions ate met... he takes the hill, raises said antenna or the sun goes down. Then he gets to do it again the next day for 5 days in a row. See how long he mouths off after that.

Response by SPC Kieran Jackson made Nov 3 at 2017 4:01 PM

SPC Kieran Jackson — Fri, 03 Nov 2017 16:01:37 -0400

It would be all bad... That's UNACCEPTABLE!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2017 2:53 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Nov 2017 14:53:59 -0500

If I am not mistaken, an individual that shows themself to have a personality inconsistant with military service, may be summarily discharged without gaining any advantages for their service. If I were your company commander, they would have been on the "first thing smokin" out.

Response by TSgt Robert Danley made Nov 8 at 2017 3:50 PM

TSgt Robert Danley — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:50:55 -0500

"You will follow orders or you will be short of cash next payday. You choose."

Response by SSgt Randy Huber made Nov 10 at 2017 4:11 PM

SSgt Randy Huber — Fri, 10 Nov 2017 16:11:19 -0500

Kick his maggot ass.....

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Nov 14 at 2017 8:40 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:40:49 -0500

Quickly. Either in front of the formation or just the private and the squad leader. Either way, the private WILL understand any failure to follow instructions WILL BE SOLVED BY THEE UCMJ!!!!

Response by Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller made Nov 15 at 2017 11:16 AM

Cpl Don "GUNNY" Miller — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:16:52 -0500

Write him up for insuboardination

Response by PFC James Darcy Jr. made Nov 15 at 2017 10:35 PM

PFC James Darcy Jr. — Wed, 15 Nov 2017 22:35:30 -0500

An even better question yet. Your an E3, (yeah I wasn't always the best of soldiers) and your the range master, for a long range shooting class. But an officer (a major) don't like that thought, and asks, "Why do I have to listen to him, he's just a PFC?"
My company commander, (a captain) handled it wee in my opinion. He asked the major straight out, "Sir, can you hit a man size target, at 1,000 meters?" The major's reply, "No on can do that." The captain, "All do respect sir, he can and that is why HE is your range master today." There were no other questions.
As to the E2 not wanting to do his assignment, extra duty, CCF, and article 15, OR IN MY DAY OF BASIC TRAINING, the drill instructor and the E 2, step into the bathroom for a bit more serious discussion.

Response by SSG Terrence Griffin made Nov 17 at 2017 8:46 AM

SSG Terrence Griffin — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:46:37 -0500

I come from a simple time in the Infantry, I had a soldier tell me after I dismissed everybody to the motorpool that he wasn't going cause he can't work for black people, without missing a beat and showing no emotion I gave him the key to my room in the barracks and told him I understood and I had something special for him and told him to wait for me there, I brought the platoon to attention and dismissed them, went up to my room and beat his fuckin ass,when a soldier disrespected me I always took it personal FUCK army regs now it's personal, and I lived by this and I had a successful military career... And by the way me and that soldier became best of friends til his death in 93,I cared about all my soldiers and I would never disrespect them and I definitely didn't allow disrespect.. the Infantry Way... Don't know about these new times.

Response by SGT Mark Saint Cyr made Nov 20 at 2017 3:59 PM

SGT Mark Saint Cyr — Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:59:11 -0500

First thing to do is get very quiet. This forces every one to listen closely, and more often gets better attention than shouting does. You ask the soldier if he remembers taking his oath, wherein he swore to follow the orders of the officers appointed over him? You remind him that he is an E-2 under your command a non-commissioned officer, and if he can't understand that or follow your lawful orders, you will be glad to march him down to the First Sergeant, where we can start proceedings for a General Courts Martial.

I did that exactly once with a troublesome troop. He called my bluff, then found out I wasn't bluffing. I marched the soldier down to the orderly room (after finishing the other assignments first) and told top to start paperwork for a an Article 15, that this barracks lawyer would then likely request and require a General court. Top gave out a low whistle and asked the Private if he understood his oath. The soldier said he did, but looked confused. The first shirt told his clerk to get the article ready, and then the soldier asked if there was a way out. I said at this point the only way of of the Article was requiring a General Court. He did, and found himself out of the army a few months later.

I never had another problem again, as word had gotten around.

Response by SFC Bill Hargis made Nov 26 at 2017 2:28 PM

SFC Bill Hargis — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:28:15 -0500

Why would you allow a PVT to run thier mouth or think they have the right to talk back? Light that PVT up and let them know YOU are in charge. But as a senior E5 you should already know that.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2017 8:56 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:56:35 -0500

Depends on what you call being a "smart mouth".

If a SM is disregarding lawful instructions, cite the regulations giving you the authority to give those instructions and the potential administrative/punitive/legal consequences for failing to carry out those instructions.
Show them the regulation. DO NOT tell them to look it up. Nothing will give a firmer impression that you're making it up as you go.
Also, don't try the old BS excuse about "not having the time to explain". If you're in garrison, you have the time. If you're not in garrison, neither of you should've made it that far, without this being understood. You've been placed in a position of leadership. Lead.
If, after these things have been thoroughly explained and cited, the behavior persists, call the JAG Office. They're open most weekdays. Have a Legal Specialist describe the lengths (and limits) of your authority to this SM. In fact, it may be a good idea to include the JAG representative at your next Battalion Organizational Day, giving a brief class on this very subject.
If the behavior STILL persists, it's time to start some paperwork. At this point, it cannot be argued that you've given the SM every opportunity to understand their duties and obligations. If they are choosing not to meet those obligations, they belong some place else.

Now, if by "smart mouth", you mean those instances where instructions are being given, which are in excess of your authority or which would be in violation of regulations and a sharp PV2 called you on it, the best thing you can do is own the mistake and correct it. Give them credit for having read and understood the regulation, keeping you from violating it. In all my years of service, the most respect I ever got from subordinates was when they saw I was able to own up to a mistake, rather than going on a power trip.

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Nov 26 at 2017 10:21 PM

SSgt Dan Montague — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 22:21:59 -0500

When I was a Sgt borderline hazing wasn't looked down upon. I would kick him out of formation and have him do push-ups until the battery gunny came out. After formation I would grab another NCO and we would tag team him and just blast him and put his ass on duty for a couple weekends. If it happend to me or another NCO again, disciplinary action through the 1stSgt would be next.
Now there is more paperwork involved and treat them kind and understand their needs and support their feelings.

Response by SSG Thomas Barry made Nov 27 at 2017 1:37 PM

SSG Thomas Barry — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 13:37:40 -0500

when I was in there was a lot simpler solution it went like this. Everyone say thank you to Private Shitberg and now you may commence PUSHUPS FOREVER !!

Response by SSgt Stephen Snyder made Nov 29 at 2017 12:05 PM

SSgt Stephen Snyder — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:05:29 -0500

Get into their personal space, right up next to their ear and clearly communicate the situation including a few questions so they will have to answer "yes, sgt" "no, sgt." "you're word is law, sgt? That is all the others will need to hear to understand that order is in place.

Response by SGT James Clark made Nov 29 at 2017 2:36 PM

SGT James Clark — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:36:50 -0500

First off he would be pushing the ground down ,he would get every shit detail that came along and a article 15 for disrespect. Just like the old days but today the Drill is not allowed to do squat. No disrespect but the higher ups need to grow a set and let the drills be drills.

Response by SSG Thomas Barry made Nov 29 at 2017 10:30 PM

SSG Thomas Barry — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:30:21 -0500

I remember back in the day when at the end of the week Top would march the company down to the gym and anyone with PP would put on the gloves and get in the ring. It worked wonders for moral and nipping problems in the bud

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Nov 29 at 2017 10:49 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:49:57 -0500

Calmly tell him to come with me, take him into the Platoon Office with the Platoon Leader as a commissioned Officer there to witness and repeat the order as a Direct Order, as an NCO can give a lawful Order and not a Direct Order, when Dough head refuses both me and the Platoon Leader I start the packet, refer him for Courts Martial to the Company Commander, revoke his AIRBORNE Status and take him to JAG for a lawyer and if all goes well nail his little E-2 Ass to a cross and let him bleed to death. I will FIND things that he has fouled up on to add to the charge sheet. He will OWE the Army money when he out-processes.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2017 7:44 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:44:33 -0500

This is a great question and it gets my blood going just reading it.

As an NCO this scenario is a perfect example of needing to balance two ideas with your approach. The two ideas are "maintaining good order & discipline" and "praise in public, correct in private"

I believe the first idea overrides the second when it comes to such publicly displayed insubordination. The only way to compound their error is to be in a larger formation or commit additional offenses.
My approach would be to directly address the insubordination. They would quickly learn the current(you already f'd up) and future(if you EVER do it again!) consequences of such behavior. Counseling and further correction would follow after dismissal of the formation.

I would also take into consideration the rank and time in service of the Soldier. This could be a great learning and development opportunity for them. However that is dependent upon their attitude, their remorsefulness, and maturity.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2017 9:01 AM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:01:34 -0500

You used the avenue where you politely tell them again to do the job again. You are their direct superior. If you want to do simple counselling or maybe a physical motivator, I would say go ahead and if you want to cover your butt, ask the next person up in the chain (your boss) if it is appropriate to give said physical punishment. You could also have them go tell your superior that they refuse to do the job and that THEY should find a new person (I am assuming an E5s direct superior would either be the E7 for the troops or their Division officer [O1-O2]). I am sure that will go over well for the E2.

Response by SP5 Larry Morris made Dec 1 at 2017 5:35 PM

SP5 Larry Morris — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 17:35:04 -0500

he would wish he had never been born

Response by SGT Richard Moschetti made Dec 2 at 2017 1:20 PM

SGT Richard Moschetti — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:20:48 -0500

BOOT IN ASS

Response by SGT Richard Moschetti made Dec 2 at 2017 1:21 PM

SGT Richard Moschetti — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:21:40 -0500

Counseling Statement,up to Article 15

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Dec 3 at 2017 6:42 PM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 18:42:29 -0500

Anyone senior to this adolescent would have to correct him whether the troop lead was an officer or an NCO. This is the sort of thing that is very detrimental to good order and discipline and ultimately unit performance.

Response by PO1 J R Foster made Dec 5 at 2017 9:57 AM

PO1 J R Foster — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:57:58 -0500

I agree with GySgt Pepper. You have to act immediately, especially in front of the rest of the troops. As soon as I was told to, "Shove it,", I'd tell everyone else to fall out and turn to. I something close to that happen, but not so confrontational when I was in and I gave them their choice, "extra training", or putting them on report. I had a fellow PO1 stand by (I was the senior E-6 there) and my most senior E-5 as well. Their tune changes a lot when they're no longer surrounded by their peers and having him alone with two E-6s and an E-5 really changed his demeanor. He chose the extra training. So, since it was a Friday, after the work was done, I cut everyone else loose before lunch and he stayed around with me until 1600 and I kept him busy cleaning, watching over him the whole time. The next two Fridays were repeats. Trust me, all his peers knew and he wasn't such a tough guy in their eyes after that.
Like GySgt. Pepper said, let them know that going down that road will cost them dearly. Also, never lose your cool and get into a shouting match, you just lose control when you do.

Response by SSG John Morgan made Dec 5 at 2017 1:32 PM

SSG John Morgan — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:32:51 -0500

At the end of formation say E2 ___ and E2___ only stand fast.Fall out to orderly room for counseling.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2017 2:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Dec 2017 14:20:50 -0500

Well in the old days the words beat your face would be shouted. Not now can't drop soldiers

Response by SGT Paul Walliker made Dec 9 at 2017 4:16 PM

SGT Paul Walliker — Sat, 09 Dec 2017 16:16:20 -0500

When I first read the question in my email I thought, "a whole bunch of push ups". "Shove it"? We are in AR15 territory now.

Response by SGM Harvey Boone made Dec 10 at 2017 11:29 AM

SGM Harvey Boone — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:29:12 -0500

Burn the wise ass. any good NCO know's how.

Response by SPC Earl Semler made Dec 14 at 2017 2:53 PM

SPC Earl Semler — Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:53:45 -0500

It is a question of is this the 1st time this PVT did this or has he done it to others before and got away with it and he thinks he can do it to you. You have to immediately ask them if they enjoy jail time and a BCD or are they just confused on how to do their assignment. This should be done in front of all the other soldiers in the formation so they know this conduct will not be tolerated and should be asked without screaming but in a steady loud voice so everyone hears your reply. Never show how angry you are with the PVT to everyone that can be done in private counseling session.

Response by SFC James High made Dec 19 at 2017 9:01 AM

SFC James High — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:01:54 -0500

I would ask the Soldier to rethink his/her comment, then I would initiate the appropriate paperwork and ensure that the Soldier was well versed in the best way to clean a latrine by hand!

Response by SGT Johnny Owens made Dec 24 at 2017 10:56 AM

SGT Johnny Owens — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:56:39 -0500

I experienced this once, once. The soldier was a squared away Specialist, and my friend, but he chose to disrespect me with our platoon sergeant present. I treated him like a little brother, I grabbed his collar, pulled him away from the others, and explained to him quietly what was about to happen if he didn't move out. I never had a problem from any of my soldiers afterwards. He and I remain friends, the platoon sergeant was impressed, and everything went accordingly.

Response by PO2 Frank Read made Dec 24 at 2017 3:47 PM

PO2 Frank Read — Sun, 24 Dec 2017 15:47:01 -0500

Take them down right there...

Response by PO2 James Young made Dec 25 at 2017 12:05 PM

PO2 James Young — Mon, 25 Dec 2017 12:05:08 -0500

This is, in no uncertain terms, insubordination. Definitions and possible penalties spelled out in UCMJ, Article 91. So...I'm right in line with Gunny Pepper (below).

Response by SGT Glenn Speck made Dec 26 at 2017 9:56 AM

SGT Glenn Speck — Tue, 26 Dec 2017 09:56:27 -0500

I'd shine my boots with his ass.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2017 2:13 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Dec 2017 02:13:45 -0500

how about stop being a bitch and choose someone else

Response by SSG David Dickson made Dec 28 at 2017 12:41 AM

SSG David Dickson — Thu, 28 Dec 2017 00:41:50 -0500

Lock them up at "Parade rest". Get the rest of the detail out to their assigned duties. Get the PSG on the horn ASAP. Nature will take its course from there. Either "Joe" will have an epiphany moment or will be laying the groundwork for a pretty straight forward company grade conversation w/the CO & 1SG

Response by Sgt Brandan Steele made Jan 3 at 2018 11:30 AM

Sgt Brandan Steele — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:30:20 -0500

I have read several of these responses. Some have made me chuckle, and several have made me shake my head in disbelief. This coddling and know their feelings crap is unbelievable. “It depends on if it’s in garrison or the field”... bulls**t. If someone disrespects an NCO that blantanly, he/she has no respect for any authority and should be dealt with on the spot. Any NCO within earshot should have the SGT back immediately w/o hesitation. Everyone that saw the disrespect should know first hand that it won’t be tolerated in the field, in garrison, and reguardless of what unit they are in. No they don’t have to witness the entire punishment, but they should damn sure see that every NCO is going to be on their ass in half a heartbeat if they disrespect another NCO.

Response by CPT Alfred Smiley made Jan 3 at 2018 11:35 AM

CPT Alfred Smiley — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:35:19 -0500

Remain calm; don't let your emotional reaction get the best of you. Instruct the Squad Leader to fall out of formation with the offender and bring him to you. Have a quiet conversation with the private about proper military discipline and respect for the chain of command. Ask him if he understands. Then instruct the Squad Leader to drop the private for 50 pushups and return him to the formation.
If the problem persists, it's time for Article 15 punishment.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jan 4 at 2018 4:01 PM

1SG James Kelly — Thu, 04 Jan 2018 16:01:30 -0500

Rip his head off and shit in his neck; and extra training till he and everyone else in the company knows that is not acceptable.
But hey that's just me.

Response by SSG Michael Williams made Jan 5 at 2018 2:35 PM

SSG Michael Williams — Fri, 05 Jan 2018 14:35:34 -0500

That's easy...I'd tear him a new ASS in formation on-the-spot! He can try that "time-out stress card" if he wants to but I guarantee he won't be in the military much longer when I finish UCMJ actions!

I never have nor never will let that happen! HOOAH!

Response by Cpl Vic Eizenga made Jan 7 at 2018 2:54 PM

Cpl Vic Eizenga — Sun, 07 Jan 2018 14:54:45 -0500

Ask them if they would like to tell that to the CO. They enlisted not forced as some were back in my day. When I joined all Marines were volunteers so that meant you did every duty assigned by some one senior to you. even time in the Corps not just rank. You remind them of that and let them decide how it is going to be handled.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2018 9:38 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:38:55 -0500

As an O5, my first thought is that I'd turn him into an E-none. I appreciate that he might be undergoing some issue that caused him to snap, but it doesn't excuse his actions and must be corrected on the spot.

Response by SSG Rick Bowman made Jan 12 at 2018 2:27 PM

SSG Rick Bowman — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:27:13 -0500

I had a situation as an E6 where an E4 did this. I assigned the work to someone else then asked him what was going on. He told me I wasn't his boss and to f$co myself
Yes minutes later I get "invited" to see the CO.
Yep did that E4 is claiming racial discrimination. I get asked how I determined who to put on the detail. I told them I looked for the first 4 people I out ranked. The other three were not the same race as E4 did that. CO art 15d him.

Find out in private wtf? If it is attitude help him understand what he just chose for himself

Response by Sgt Joe Tessari made Jan 14 at 2018 7:03 PM

Sgt Joe Tessari — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 19:03:44 -0500

Calmly tell the shit-bird "very well" and give the assignment to the biggest, baddest guy in the unit adding that it will happen every time private shit-bird doesn't want to do his share of the work. Wait and see if he mouths off again.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2018 3:26 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 03:26:40 -0500

Violence is not the way... this coming from the main question and the comments. Back in the 1900 people people probably didn't fight back or he was out numbered but I guarantee that made him no better of a person/leader than kicking him out would have words are extremely powerful maybe slick sleeve lashed out on bad leadership/hazing. True he picked the wrong way to go about it. Wall to wall counseling or woodline institutionalizations don't respect the person either

Response by MAJ Joe Rangitsch made Jan 16 at 2018 10:41 PM

MAJ Joe Rangitsch — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:41:29 -0500

As an Ex NCO (AJ E-4 - for clarity) - I would pull the wise ass Pvt and his / her team squad lead to an office / separate place and set him / her straight - orders are orders and thats it... nip it in the bud....complaints come later...compliance is paramount right now.... As a Commissioned Officer ( which I was later in life) - I would simply monitor what the NCO did and intervene only if need be and then (maybe) whisper into the Pvts ear after the NCO was done that he had better take the advise of the NCO and move out....

Response by SGT Mark Halmrast made Jan 16 at 2018 10:58 PM

SGT Mark Halmrast — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:58:40 -0500

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member Well, I realize the photo doesn't necessarily correspond, but I can't help including it in my response:
Step 1: take those PT belts off
Step 2: have troops dig a big hole
Step 3: throw PT belts into hole
Step 4: fill hole
Step 5: smoke the E-2 like a cheap cigar

Response by SGT David Nicholas made Jan 18 at 2018 4:47 PM

SGT David Nicholas — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:47:23 -0500

PT his ass until he drops then give him an Article 15, reduction in rank to E-1, restriction to post for 30 days, and extra duty! Make an example of him so everyone else will know that this isn't a game!

Response by SGT David Nicholas made Jan 18 at 2018 4:50 PM

SGT David Nicholas — Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:50:23 -0500

PT his ass until he drops! Then give him an Article 15, reduction to E1, extra duty, and restriction to post for 30 days! You have to show him and everyone else that this behavior is NOT acceptable and that there are consequences!

Response by Sgt Cesario Briseno made Jan 21 at 2018 7:14 AM

Sgt Cesario Briseno — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 07:14:38 -0500

End it right there. Keep the formation as is and Pvt Ass Wipe gets an ass chewing and an explanation of the importance of carrying out all lawful orders given by those above him. Pvt. Ass Wipe gets an Article 15 with a recommendation that his military service be terminated after a few months in the stockade.

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Jan 21 at 2018 7:28 AM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 07:28:03 -0500

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member this is a great post. But I am going to sit this one out. There are also some really great responses and perspectives.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2018 11:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jan 2018 23:19:17 -0500

Tell them to bring a battle buddy and see me after the formation. They and their buddy will do the task and the pvt will get a counseling reflecting his or her behavior.

Response by SP5 Norman McGill made Jan 23 at 2018 11:40 AM

SP5 Norman McGill — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:40:53 -0500

What you have here is a soldier who hasn't learned respect for the "Service", his unit and comrades, those who are in charge and no respect for himself. As the NCOIC you have the opportunity to mold a good soldier or piss off an angry one and lose a good soldier. To me it would be time for the kid gloves and in a very low voice I would kindly ask the PFC to see me after formation and go about my business of getting the platoon started for the day. You have squad leaders to see that the work gets done so you can spend some time with the errant PFC.
I'd then take him to the mess hall, get some coffee and wangle a snack out of the cook and have a seat where there are no people nearby. This kid has a problem and thinks nobody cares. You need to find out what the problem is and see if you can help. Could be some little thing in his platoon or something big back home that the kid has no control over. Help if you can but by no means do you berate the kid nor give him hell and any punishment at this point. You already have his attention by being nice to him so make use of that and send him back to his squad or unit with the reminder that he is a soldier first last and always and he needs to conduct himself in a respectful manner at all times. I'd keep tabs on the kid through his squad leader and my own observations with brief chats on occasion and encourage the soldier to keep at it and do the right thing. The PFC pushed you to the wall and you gave him a break. He didn't expect that and now owe's you something in return and he knows it. If you get the favor repaid that's great. If not there are many ways of handling a recalcitrant trooper. I'd try the nice way first and the worst way last if he didn't improve after that. Hell, it worked on me so why not him? Been there done that.

Response by SSG John Eroh made Jan 27 at 2018 8:59 PM

SSG John Eroh — Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:59:50 -0500

When acting in my normal MOS duties I never had a problem but it was a technical MOS which required a higher GT score. But while in Detail Branch at a training post where I ran a grass cutting team and later as what I called "The Post Commanders Head Gardner" taking care of the grounds around 3 Generals & 3 Colonels quarters using detail personnel from training companies, I would occasionally get someone who wanted to goof off. For those I had special jobs for them to do. Especially at the Post Commander's quarters where my favorite job for them would be to hand them a rag and a can of Brasso and introduce them to the brass cannon in from of the General's quarters. I expected them to work hard while there but treated them fairly & not cuss them out and would give them good breaks when they did work hard. After a couple of months of this, we noticed at the Detail Branch office where I picked them up, that they would jockey around in the formation to get in a spot where they would end up with me. Those who were frequent flyers knew that they were doled out to the teams in the same order. Had a female soldier use the excuse of being on the rag. That being the 1st time I had heard that excuse I let her do a little less. That night I asked my wife & oldest daughter and that was the last one to get by me with that excuse.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Jan 28 at 2018 4:57 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Sun, 28 Jan 2018 16:57:29 -0500

In my 40 years in the military, I have never seen anything like that happen. If it had, it wouldn't have happen a second time. It sounds like someone has taken their relation ship to an unhealthy level. In the military, at all levels, you have leaders and followers. You need to know what your role is at all times. It sounds like that soldier was not indoctrened right to the military way of life. That E-5 needs to take that E-2 off to the side, away from the rest of the soldiers and counsel that soldier. It needs to be put in writing and kept at the E-5's level. Unless, the same thing happens again, then he needs to get his Squad Leader involved.

Response by SSgt Liam Babington made Jan 29 at 2018 11:16 PM

SSgt Liam Babington — Mon, 29 Jan 2018 23:16:32 -0500

Had that halo to me....his/her time off was spent doing many “interesting duties” such as sweeping the whole unit building, writing reports for other subordinates a d having them checked by said subordinates; daily duties such as this while other subordinates were off duty those souls learned not to mouth off! IE...your time can become my time with a bad attitude

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2018 7:39 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 19:39:22 -0500

Smoke his ass, if he doesn't care about that kind of stuff, NCOs have authority under UCMJ so if they're not recognizing it, a commander can slap him with extra duty or reduced pay. That kind of disobedience is toxic and has the potential to hurt readiness. find a creative punishment that wastes his free time. If you're his first line leader, unfortunately wasting his time usually means wasting yours. If you're his SL, have his TL supervise some of his corrective training to spread the workload.

Response by Sgt Charles Haddix made Feb 3 at 2018 7:30 AM

Sgt Charles Haddix — Sat, 03 Feb 2018 07:30:01 -0500

Pube patrol

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made Feb 6 at 2018 4:06 PM

CPO Lou Oliver — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 16:06:00 -0500

This one is simple. In front of yours troops, you explain to the dip-shit that this is not the play ground, that you expect him to behave in the same manner as the other troops. And since he does not appear to understand how things are done he can chose between some extra military instruction ( you still have that tool I hope ) which will consist of cleaning a few choice items with a tooth brush, to your satisfaction, during what would have been his normally free time that weekend, or standing tall in front of the person who can issue punishment under the UCMJ.
I say in front of the troops because he smart mouthed you in front of them, and they need to see the results, or they too may start to believe that they can slack off.

Response by SP6 Joseph Siegel made Feb 7 at 2018 2:54 PM

SP6 Joseph Siegel — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 14:54:01 -0500

From an Army perspective I have to say the information above is not complete enough for me to really judge. My old man was in the service and was all sorts of combat arms in Regular Army and National Guard. My Mother was an Army Reserve LTC running Selective Service with a joint service command. I did Intel. The military is a huge world, and the branch/unit matters...and in this case where it matters is in understanding the soldier in front of you, and those around them. Where I was stationed we almost never saw an E2 (you had to f-up in AIT not to leave as an E3 because of the length of training). Also if you make PV2 dipshit late for work, you are screwing COL OwnsYouBNCDR's ASS by depriving them of 10 minutes of that soldiers time. Further more it was a very cerebral area. Days of PT is not an option. I say this to hopefully break what I read as a chain of very high-school bully oriented knee-jerk reactions.

What is certain is this. The Soldier needs a hard correction. The correction needs to be measured, because if you cannot measure a response then you are unfit for command, or authority. The NCO needs to know his unit well enough to be able to determine if this is a one off/single point of failure scenario in which case you discipline privately...or if it is a culture thing you make the correction to the offending private, but you do it in public where all can see the consequences.

I would also hope the NCO's next level up would take the situation as an occasion to do a pulse check with his unit to see if there are larger problems that needs addressing to include the possibility that the NCO had been conducting themself in such a way as to create the tension.

Response by SFC Jon Davis made Feb 22 at 2018 1:52 PM

SFC Jon Davis — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:52:12 -0500

In the "Old Days" it would have been - Fall Out Private and report to the PSG/Plt Ldr's Office, after we fill out your Counselling Statement for Disrespect and Failure to Obey. Of which the E-2 could possibly lose his "free time" (extra training or extra duty) for several weeks, possibly forfeit some money, and quite possibly go back to being a "Slick Sleeve" Private.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Feb 24 at 2018 4:01 AM

PO1 David M Burns — Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:01:45 -0500

After he gets up off the floor,you tell him again! Then put a boot up his sorry ass,that is the way it was done in the army before,

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2018 7:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Feb 2018 19:20:23 -0500

Take sworn statements and push for UCMJ under Article 92. Meanwhile, I'd find as many meaningless, menial tasks for said private to perform until he or she recognized the fact that I am the authority figure here.

Response by CW2 Henry Arroyo made Mar 2 at 2018 7:59 AM

CW2 Henry Arroyo — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 07:59:58 -0500

I will mass punish the entire platoon to the pint of feeling dying, but just the platoon, not him, then I make sure everyone understand that every punishment is his fault. I will cancel passes, leaves, and every single time off. I will get them every single detail...at the end, he will feel it either way.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2018 12:19 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:19:46 -0500

Conjour up a page 11 right then and there

Response by SFC Charles Kauffman made Mar 4 at 2018 12:16 AM

SFC Charles Kauffman — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 00:16:37 -0500

IMMEDIATELY get in their face, lock them into parade rest, and confirm that they are receiving a direct and lawful order. Army regulations (contrary to belief) authorize a reasonable of physical “coaching “ to get him to comply. After that, the PSG, and as a last resort, the 1SG, should be involved. A counseling statement can be used, as well as recommendations for Article 15.

The NCO should be firm, professional, and SWIFT. Otherwise, every troop around will think they can get away with it. Every NCO witnessing the event should band together and put this young turd in his place.

Response by Sgt William Pilgrim Jr. made Mar 4 at 2018 3:03 PM

Sgt William Pilgrim Jr. — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 15:03:38 -0500

Whoop his ass or make him do bends and thrust till I was tired..

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2018 2:45 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 14:45:56 -0500

I'd have him report to the orderly room and wait for the 1sgt, CO, and myself and tactfully remind him of UCMJ and then negatively counsel him for insubordination and let him know that if this attitude continues then I'll push for Art 15 and bad conduct discharge

Response by PV2 Donald Dean made Mar 5 at 2018 11:49 PM

PV2 Donald Dean — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:49:02 -0500

Drop his whole squad. If he doesn't drop, then drop the whole platoon.
If that doesn't do the trick release the platoon then counsel him on his behavior and let him know that you will put an Article 91 in his file for insubordination.

Response by 1SG Klayton W. Hayes made Mar 11 at 2018 10:59 PM

1SG Klayton W. Hayes — Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:59:35 -0400

Better yet, a brand new E-2 arrived in my unit. I returned from some meetings to find the coffee pot empty. The Operations Sgt was out. I directed The E-2 to make a pot of coffee. I took the time to instruct him on the task. Pvt. informed me his Drill Sergeant told him he did not have to make coffee for anyone. Mistake 1: He did not stand when I entered the room. 2. He did not address me as even Sergeant when he refused. Result and solution: Everyone in the Orderly Room drank the COFFEE I brewed before a fresh pot was made. Pvt. after that day never failed to acknowledge his 1st Sgt or refuse any task issued by a NCO. I never inquired about the conversation The Operations NCO had whith him. I do know my Ops Sgts ass was on fire after he departed my office.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2018 3:40 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:40:01 -0400

Remove them from formation and they can do pushups til formation is over, then a week at KP duty

Response by CPT Jeff Morrison made Mar 30 at 2018 9:43 AM

CPT Jeff Morrison — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 09:43:56 -0400

Where did all of this “touchy-feely” BS leadership come from? I don’t care if his dog died and his wife is doing free porn with the PX staff. If you do not make an example out of him immediately, you are inviting that same insubordination when bullets are flying and people are dying. The only acceptable response is, “Yes, sergeant.” I’m old school when it comes to dealing with insubordination. When a service member signs their contract, they give up the right to me a snowflake. As a leader, you take care of them, train them and also know what’s going on in their lives so that situations like this almost never happen. I prefer the “you can respect me or you can fear me, but you will execute any legal order given to you” mentality. Also, I and every one of my subordinate leaders will lead by example.

Response by PO1 Darrell Sanders made Mar 30 at 2018 3:32 PM

PO1 Darrell Sanders — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:32:10 -0400

How the hell did he make it that far. If he has been in that long and with that attitude he did not just wake up and decide to be an idiot. I was a Marine, in my experience he would not have made E-2. As a corporal and squad leader, at various times when I got a new guy I checked his background and past performance. He didn't just walk out and report in. If by chance he did just get assigned and I wasn't informed until he was standing there his new fire team leader would meet him first. Usually it was the Fire Team Leaders and myself in a meeting. I told them what I wanted done and they told their team. IF for some reason I had to do this as a squad the minute he opened his mouth he would be standing at attention by himself off to the side while I finished. His new fire team leader would assist in addressing his problem and develop an attitude adjustment procedure. Of course the team leader and myself would be discussing in front of the miscreant whether to have a blanket party, have him run in full gear around the barracks for an hour or two. Probably settle on scrubbing the latrine with a tooth brush after lights out. The only thing the rest of the squad knows is that this young man opened a can of "Ohhh, Shit." Let their imaginations run with it.

If this is his first offense it would be handled differently than if my wonderful Platoon Sgt decided he liked how I instilled leadership and a spirited and effective work ethic in my Marines. A lot of variables involved. Take you pick on how to handle.....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 30 at 2018 9:09 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Mar 2018 21:09:31 -0400

Crushing his soul my be in order. However, is this a first offense? If it is, a heart to heart in the PSG's office with the platoon sergeant and platoon leader is in order. The Soldier needs to understand insubordination and the consequences, and it needs to be on paper. Make sure the kid knows that it's serious and that the counselling has the magic bullet in it. If it isn't . . . Well, time to start crushing souls. I typically start with summarized and work my way up from there. Most joes get it when their time is taken with out the need to go after pay and rank. If they don't . . . That rank and pay is going with more of their time.

Response by Sgt Greg Puckett made Apr 2 at 2018 1:00 PM

Sgt Greg Puckett — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 13:00:54 -0400

Promote to E-4 mafia

Response by Cpl James Gilchrist made Apr 4 at 2018 7:36 PM

Cpl James Gilchrist — Wed, 04 Apr 2018 19:36:31 -0400

I’d kick his ass in front of the platoon. But, that is me. A more disciplined Marine NCO would virtually take Pvt Shitbird apart with commanding rhetoric and an overwhelmingly dominant attitude.

Response by SSgt Wayne Graff made Apr 6 at 2018 10:45 PM

SSgt Wayne Graff — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 22:45:50 -0400

I would assign him the most demeaning task I could think of, cleaning the toilets with his bare hands, scrubbing the floor with a toothbrush. Something like that.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2018 10:36 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 22:36:05 -0400

Standby. Let’s talk about why your an ass. If you have already have done written counseling we are walking to the first sergeant so we can move forward with either article 15 or chapter. you really need to have a talk with this youngster and figure out what’s going on. A little listening goes a long way.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2018 11:37 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:37:38 -0400

Sorry, but I am "old School"...I don't believe in safe rooms, time outs or any of that other PC crap. He would be doing corrective action until I got tired. Airborne, All the Way!

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Apr 14 at 2018 12:15 AM

CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) — Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:15:29 -0400

As a CW4 it's unlikely any PV2 will ever see me in formation. Just kidding... I go sometimes.

Personally, it wouldn't bother me much because my NCOIC would immediately crush their skull more than likely - then our 1SG would yell at them for not being at the position of parade rest while he was speaking to them. If not, I would likely put my cigar out on their forehead - God help them if I spill my coffee.

Response by MSG Brian Wiscott made Apr 16 at 2018 9:41 PM

MSG Brian Wiscott — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:41:33 -0400

Tell the PFC to step to the rear of the formation, assume the front leaning rest position and knock them out until I get tired, the continue with the formation.

Response by SFC David Pope, MBA made Apr 18 at 2018 3:58 PM

SFC David Pope, MBA — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 15:58:29 -0400

I was a new SSG in charge of the last convoy to return to our unit location after a 3 week exercise. They left me in charge of clearing the barracks and lining up the last vehicles. It was going to be a long drive back, but half of it was going to be in the city. One of the young newly promoted specialists wanted to drive back with the doors off of the Humvee. I told him to put the doors on while we were in convoy. One of our subordinate units were there collecting their equipment and this soldier is telling me no in front of my peers of equal rank. I locked him up and in a voice heard in a hundred mile circumference let him know who was in charge and what his orders were. I think he may have peed a little. His father who was an SFC at the time complimented me after he had heard about it. When I was assigned to train our subordinate unit on some new systems, they gave me their full attention! That was the last time I ever had to lock up a soldier or yell in the military. I retired seven years later. Although I did rip an E-8 a new one while he was exiting my range with his rifle pointing at the bleachers. I was promoted to SFC a week later and he toasted me that night at the dinning in for doing my job and keeping that range safe and running smooth.

Response by Sgt Josh Frates made Apr 21 at 2018 7:49 PM

Sgt Josh Frates — Sat, 21 Apr 2018 19:49:08 -0400

Wall to wall counciling.

Response by CPL Thomas Artiaga made Apr 26 at 2018 1:55 PM

CPL Thomas Artiaga — Thu, 26 Apr 2018 13:55:50 -0400

Immediately inform and he's been placed on extra Duty. That he will not only complete his tasks but everybody else is Task as well. He will be confined to his barracks the entire weekend. Talk to the motor sergeant, the mess sergeant and any other platoon that needs help ensure he is kept busy and productive. Conduct a daily inspection of his AO from that day until Monday morning. Give him only one hour personal time, required hygiene time and time to go to Chow. When he's not on some sort of detail PT the living s*** out of him. You must make an example of him immediately.

Response by SGT Roger Bunton made Apr 28 at 2018 1:57 AM

SGT Roger Bunton — Sat, 28 Apr 2018 01:57:10 -0400

Time for some extra duty after hours and possibly a meeting with the first Sgt.

Response by SSG Ron Randell made Apr 30 at 2018 12:18 AM

SSG Ron Randell — Mon, 30 Apr 2018 00:18:26 -0400

Make him an E-1

Response by Capt Al Parker made May 8 at 2018 7:25 AM

Capt Al Parker — Tue, 08 May 2018 07:25:25 -0400

Well an Article 15 if Air Force.

Response by SSG George Holtje made May 13 at 2018 10:40 PM

SSG George Holtje — Sun, 13 May 2018 22:40:05 -0400

During my last few years, my E4 mafia would not give me a chance to nip it myself. In fact a PV2 with just the appearance of disrespect would have several PFCs and SPCs in his grill immediately.
I was a big fan of the verbal shaming of a smart mouth newbie. "You don't get an opinion until your G I Bill is paid off."
"I can't hear you until the word sergeant is used."
"Watch someone do it in the front leaning rest."

Treat your soldiers firm and fair and you will see the same results of the E3 E4 mafia crushing the bad attitudes on the spot.

Response by SPC Glen Gearhart made May 16 at 2018 4:13 PM

SPC Glen Gearhart — Wed, 16 May 2018 16:13:25 -0400

Having been both the snot-nosed E2 that smarted off and the NCOIC being smarted off to, I have to say I agree with the prevailing sentiment. Praise in public, Punish in private. I smarted off to an E6 (not part of my tank crew, but part of my platoon) about my living quarters. I received some wall to wall correction, and after having been to the medics (E6 rammed me into the corner of a wall locker throwing my lower back out) we took a trip to the First Shirt's office.
Top gave me some remedial training and "explained" how things would be from here on out. I was sent packing and do not know if anything happened to the E6. Later that same E6 and I became close, but in 86, when the balloon could go up at anytime, you quickly learned your lesson and did not hold grudges with your comrades in arms.
Later when I was in a National Guard unit as a forward observer and tasked as our unit's NBC NCO. We had a detail preforming maintenance on our M8 Chemical Detectors and our masks and had a private try to instruct me that he was NOT going to clean anything but his personal mask and work on zero M8's. After explaining concisely and politely that he would perform the lawful order I had given him, we took a trip to the First Sergeant's office. I put him on the carpet and explained everything again to him. When he started to speak, Top explained I was correct and if he expected to remain in the unit, he would learn to follow order or he would find himself launched like a copperhead.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2018 11:41 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 May 2018 11:41:27 -0400

I am a PFC and this happens more often than not. I was prior service Active and then came to the National Guard. I had a hard time with the transition but mainly because the lack of discipline. I don't believe in talking back to NCO's because if I did in Active I'd get smoked til the walls sweat, outside. I'm not in anyway saying you are like this, but it seems to me, NCO's are losing their backbone. It's okay to lose your temper and set shit straight. Especially to a stinking PV2. I know that the Army has changed a lot the past few years, but when did higher ups scared to get their ass chewed or second guess what was right for the soilder? You're the leader for a reason and if you let him get away with it with something like a counseling... It won't be long until the next guy does it.

Response by SPC Daniel Santo made May 24 at 2018 5:34 AM

SPC Daniel Santo — Thu, 24 May 2018 05:34:58 -0400

How about half right face? Front leaning rest position move until his arms are shaking. Then give him the order again

Response by PO2 Fred Morey made May 24 at 2018 12:38 PM

PO2 Fred Morey — Thu, 24 May 2018 12:38:26 -0400

This one is easy. Pull them aside and give them extra duty.

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made May 27 at 2018 7:05 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Sun, 27 May 2018 19:05:27 -0400

I've been out of the Army for many years, but my approach would be progressive discipline an Article 15 to start off and a close watch and some extra duty

Response by SPC Jerry Abbott made May 30 at 2018 1:04 AM

SPC Jerry Abbott — Wed, 30 May 2018 01:04:54 -0400

I know what my Drill Sergeant would have done! He would have taken me into a private office with about four other Drill Sergeant. Then he would ask me again if I want to disrespect him again! I know times have changed but this is why our country has changed. We’re sparring the rod and look at the results. Disrespectful youth that have no respect for authority or mankind. The world is going to hell because man are afraid to stand up for God’s Laws!

Response by CPL Shaun Fields made Jun 1 at 2018 12:08 PM

CPL Shaun Fields — Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:08:06 -0400

I'm old school that will not be tolerated. Call him/her front and center. Have them explain there major malfunction. After chewing said pvt. up and spitting them out for insubordination. Then smoke said pvt. followed by article 15 hit them in there pocket so they will remember how to follow a lawful order.

Response by 1stSgt Dan Valdez made Jun 4 at 2018 1:35 PM

1stSgt Dan Valdez — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 13:35:40 -0400

Take him and his team leader aside, and find out what his major malfunction is. If it’s just a bad attitude, address the behavior immediately in increasingly greater discomfort levels until compliance is given. Having his team leader drill him for increasing periods of time is acceptable (and legal! One purpose of drill and ceremony is to insure prompt obedience to orders)
Give the person every opportunity to comply, but don’t hesitate to cut sling after you’ve tried everything! Keep your chain of command involved!

Response by SGT Roland Fox made Jun 4 at 2018 7:05 PM

SGT Roland Fox — Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:05:02 -0400

Push ups some extra duty.

Response by Sgt James Shott made Jun 9 at 2018 5:50 PM

Sgt James Shott — Sat, 09 Jun 2018 17:50:37 -0400

Totally unacceptable behavior. the E2 must be disciplined at a level that will make sure he understands his position relative to his supervisors, and pays a price that makes a strong impression on him/her, but not so strongly (yet) that he is drummed out of the service.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2018 10:44 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:44:09 -0400

I recall what one of my JROTC Instructors once said “to lead you must motivate, and for that you must communicate. Know the mission, weigh your options. For at the end the option you take is yours, the decision you make is yours, and whether you succeed or fail the consequences are yours. I spent almost 38 yrs in the service and I retired a SGM.

I now work security at a local high school. And have taken those words and adjusted them so they can be applied to kids. You can ask almost any student or teacher of Gabe’s Options Rule, which is: “You have a choice of 2 ; Option 1: Do as I’ve asked/directed and we’ll be fine, and earn respect; Option 2: Do not take Opt 1, you will be written up and referred to your Dean. Either way the Option choice is yours, the decision is yours and the consequences for your decision will be yours and yours alone.” 95% of the time they choose Opt 1.

I always segregate the problem student before giving them the Option, it shows them that you have some respect for them and are willing to work with them. After that if they persist, well it’s time for that “Coming to meet Jesus” meeting.

Response by PO1 Anthony Sam made Jun 13 at 2018 8:59 AM

PO1 Anthony Sam — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:59:07 -0400

Yes and if they still Refuse then have them stay and start with a Documented Counseling Statement and explain to them on why they are here and that they have a responsibility to do there assigned tasks and unless it a clear safety issue that's its not a negotiable matter

Response by Brad Miller made Jun 18 at 2018 4:14 PM

Brad Miller — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:14:42 -0400

Land on him with both feet. You CANNOT allow him to blatantly disrespect your authority that way, or the whole unit will start to unravel.

Response by SGT David Wyatt made Jun 19 at 2018 9:30 PM

SGT David Wyatt — Tue, 19 Jun 2018 21:30:24 -0400

smoke the squad make sure they know pvt shithead is the reason do it every day until his peers soove the problem

Response by SGM Michael Womer made Jun 20 at 2018 12:27 AM

SGM Michael Womer — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 00:27:15 -0400

These are the guys that ask why in combat and get people killed, UCMJ immediately.

Response by MGySgt Tommy Martinez made Jun 20 at 2018 6:27 AM

MGySgt Tommy Martinez — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:27:29 -0400

I would of slapped the shot out of him!

Response by SSgt Max Gonzales made Jun 22 at 2018 10:58 AM

SSgt Max Gonzales — Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:58:10 -0400

In my days in,there were certain things you didn't do. You followed protocol and that was that. Seems this E2 thought he knew more than the E5, looking for favoritism can land you in a whole lot of trouble. Possibly a letter of reprimand or extra kp duty was sufficient for most.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2018 5:13 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jun 2018 05:13:59 -0400

smoke session

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Jun 26 at 2018 5:06 PM

SCPO Ken Badoian — Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:06:51 -0400

Now, who knows, I retired in 1988. That said I went by the rule of praise in public and criticize in private. But if this person mouthed off at quarters, USN name for formation, I would address him "I'll discuss it after quarters so belay that (stop that in Navy speak) now. I private this person would be given a brief chance to explain what the problem was and then it would be a one way, my way, conversation from then on. Minimum finger in the face ... MMCS(SW)(SS) USN Ret.

Response by Sgt Cesario Briseno made Jul 4 at 2018 12:12 PM

Sgt Cesario Briseno — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 12:12:48 -0400

Pfc Asswipe will be immediately told in front of the everyone that he is now Pvt Asswipe. He will stand tall before the man. Insubordination must be nipped in the bud then and there. That backtalk will destroy the discipline and effectiveness of the unit.

Response by SSG Harry Outcalt made Jul 10 at 2018 11:37 AM

SSG Harry Outcalt — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:37:04 -0400

Lol, that Private and i would continue our discussion from the front leaning rest position, both of us . Pushups are a great training tool when used properly

Response by SMSgt Tim Shuey made Jul 10 at 2018 5:39 PM

SMSgt Tim Shuey — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:39:44 -0400

Tells me to "shove it"? That E2 would be counseled on the importance of discipline within the ranks, my expectations for my team members. The E2 would be briefed on the task, condition, and standard and then directed to ensure the task is completed within standards, failure to meet the standards would result in additional tasks that some may considered "punitive" in nature. Any future transgressions of the UCMJ will be met with aggressive intervention by unit NCO's to ensure that the E2 fully understands their place in the food chain.

Response by SPC John Bush made Jul 12 at 2018 8:00 AM

SPC John Bush — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:00:11 -0400

This is exactly why I got out. A long, long time ago. Right after Vietnam, it was not the military I grew up with as my father served his long career. Saw an E-4 tell a Captain that he was not going to the field for training. He eventually got out of the Army, which is what he wanted anyway I suspect. Enjoyed my time and many times I have regretted not continuing that part of my life but as they say, hindsight in the best sight.

Response by MSgt David Hawkyard made Jul 13 at 2018 5:54 PM

MSgt David Hawkyard — Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:54:51 -0400

Basically you verbally fuck him/her up in front of peers and then lean on them HARD

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2018 1:15 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:15:15 -0400

Start with some remedial PT and restriction...if that doesn't work, an Art 15 might cure the no time in the Army punk's problem!

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jul 15 at 2018 11:35 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 23:35:16 -0400

I would have Pvt/Amn Dipstick stand fast after the formation was dismissed. Now we would proceed to the First Sgt's office, where I would present my case against Mr. Funny mouth and make the suggestion on Mr. Funnymouth be on extra duty for a couple of months. Say as grease trap cleaner, before and after all meals. Then cutting grass with sissors for several weekends. Or I would just take him down to the gym one afternoon and kick his ass.

Response by CPO James Jaquins made Jul 16 at 2018 12:13 AM

CPO James Jaquins — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:13:30 -0400

First find out what's in his head. If catastrophic issues send for mental health counseling. If attitude, immaturity, have him at attention, and the rest of the formation do a couple hundred push-ups on his behalf. If this is ongoing recommend to board him out

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2018 3:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Jul 2018 03:46:39 -0400

Smoke smoke smoke !!!

Response by LCpl Russell Wallace made Jul 19 at 2018 8:26 PM

LCpl Russell Wallace — Thu, 19 Jul 2018 20:26:12 -0400

In my first platoon any amount of back talk like that would get said shitbag jumped by all the team leaders in his squad. If it continued then it turned into a haze fest from the squad leaders followed by an ass beating by the entire platoon in the MCMAP pit.

Response by PO2 Karl Lehn made Jul 22 at 2018 4:15 AM

PO2 Karl Lehn — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 04:15:34 -0400

Stay calm, if you kill the lil fucker you go to jail. Take him to a quiet place and explain things to him. If that doesn't work Art 15.

Response by PFC Stephens Clark made Jul 22 at 2018 12:23 PM

PFC Stephens Clark — Sun, 22 Jul 2018 12:23:41 -0400

Dismiss the rest of the squad but the PFC, and squad leader. Have Squad leader Retrain the soldier in his duties, and actions as a Soldier in front of Superior NCO'S, and Officers. If all else fails give him the PIT for 3 hrs a day for a week to start. If he still has the same issue take it to the next step. DISIPLINE extra duty, restriction to base..

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2018 12:34 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 00:34:19 -0400

I believe the best answer is only two words, "Command Presence." After a break in service I re-enlisted as an E2 in 1962 (it’s a long story). I had to take Basic Training training all over again. The basic company I was assigned to was short a Platoon Sergeant (in today's Amy a DI) the CO asked me to fill that vacancy. There were two other prior service members in the company, they were both PFCs. I said, "If that is your desire, I’ll take the position." He said, we've already cut two sets of orders. One promoting you to PFC and other making you a full acting Staff Sergeant. I knew that meat sewing on the stripes. I asked the CO why I was chosen? He said, "You have that thing called Command Presence. The men recognize it and will follow you because you have it. and all of the NCOs agree.

Here's a good article on "Command Presence." ... https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/NCO-Journal/Archives/2018/January/Military-Bearing/

Military Bearing - Projecting Confidence and a Command Presence

Military bearing is conducting oneself in a professional manner to bring credit upon oneself and the Army at all times. It is the ability to project confidence, a commanding presence and to uphold Army standards.

Response by SPC Katherine Adams (Clayburn) made Aug 3 at 2018 1:35 PM

SPC Katherine Adams (Clayburn) — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:35:01 -0400

Had this happen in real life.....granted I was not an E5...but and E4. I worked as a 92G stationed in Ft Hood, we had two units working in our DFAC. Ours (3rd ACR, Now 3rd CR), and 36th Engineer Brigade. we were getting new cooks coming in fresh from their AIT training, after we (my unit) had gotten back from Iraq.
One of the sargents came up and had me to tell a private to go and mop by one of the our walkins, since he was just standing there doing nothing. She was from their unit. She, herself, was busy, and I was just slicing up desserts- easy task to do since I was pregnant. I do so and he went straight to giving me lip, telling me to do it myself. I informed him, calmly, that SGT wanted you to go and do it so to stay busy, instead of standing there looking lost. Gives me lip again, sizing me up, cause he was taller than me. Deep down, I really wanted to hit him since he felt froggish....but instead I went back to the Sargant and gave her the run down. In the end she had him in front eaning rest, had him mop, and later had him placed in the motor pool with the other cooks we had organizing the conexes. -We had a lot to go through in inventory to make sure everything made it back-

Response by SPC Katherine Adams (Clayburn) made Aug 3 at 2018 1:37 PM

SPC Katherine Adams (Clayburn) — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:37:56 -0400

*sorry for the misspellings, etc. My current youngest was trying to grab my phone...lol. He's 10 months....

Response by PO2 Joe Wallace made Aug 4 at 2018 2:36 AM

PO2 Joe Wallace — Sat, 04 Aug 2018 02:36:06 -0400

In my day,1983 -1995 , we would have" discussed" this sa in the privacy of the bosn's locker and then he would have gone and completed the task that I assigned to him.

Response by SFC Kevin Hathaway made Aug 5 at 2018 10:39 AM

SFC Kevin Hathaway — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 10:39:20 -0400

E-2 is not a Private First Class he is a private and if given a second chance he does not change his attitude he becomes a Private E-1!

Response by SGT Douglas Byrd made Aug 5 at 2018 9:10 PM

SGT Douglas Byrd — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 21:10:41 -0400

Immediate obedience, that is not the time or place for any sort of insubordination. It is correct, dismiss the detail and have him and his team leader stand fast. Ensure there was no misunderstanding of the instructions. Then you order the team leader to ensure the assignment is accomplished and escort the offender back to you, THAT is when you find out what caused the breakdown, and work to correct it from there.

Response by SFC David Pope, MBA made Aug 8 at 2018 11:45 AM

SFC David Pope, MBA — Wed, 08 Aug 2018 11:45:27 -0400

GySgt Pepper gave a text book answer. He is an example of a true leader. I would like to add that in this day in age there are some who would take the Gunny's offer of leaving the military. I have seen soldiers who have spent their time as a permanent private until they were QMP'd. There are those who refuse to comply to anything. My nephew has spent most of his adult life behind bars. His record is three months out on parole before going back in. Some of these young soldiers just need some corrective action, but there are those who will pee on the electric fence every day just out of spite!

Response by SFC Carl Olney made Aug 15 at 2018 10:32 PM

SFC Carl Olney — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:32:34 -0400

I talk back to my drill SGT in 76 at age 17. Well you can guess where that went. i got body slammed and i never did that again

Response by SSG Russell Townsend made Aug 22 at 2018 2:50 PM

SSG Russell Townsend — Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:50:56 -0400

Tell that skeeters wing that this is not acceptable and next time there will be consequences

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Aug 23 at 2018 9:31 AM

1SG Chad Mcdaniel — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 09:31:52 -0400

Im so sick of the kindler gentler military crap...my comment to the private was you must be outside your MFing mind. Go stand by my office with your NCOs. By time I was dont the Soldier had their ass chewed and a counseling for disrespect/insubordination with a request for UCMJ action. Trust me when I tell you as per regulation I made the AR15 public. I guarantee this happened very few times I made it ckear right away my expectation and that I would not tolerate disrespect in any form!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2018 5:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:02:31 -0400

Give them push ups until they faint; depends on the number of times it has happened, but they invited themselves to get picked on for a long time. If it is a constant occurrence, recommend a dishonorable discharge.

Response by SSG Larry R. Jones made Sep 15 at 2018 12:16 PM

SSG Larry R. Jones — Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:16:28 -0400

First, I tell the squad leader and the private to stand fast, and dismiss the rest of the squad.
Second, I would put the private in the front lean position.
Third, I would take the squad leader to the side and explain to him/her how the "suck" is going to feel.
Forth, I would take the private after doing 50 up-downs. To my office space write him/her up for insubordination, then take him/her to the Queen Darby and have him/her run it 6 times or until him/her drop exhausted. Then take him/her back to the squad area and have the rest of the squad see what happens when you back talk and/or refuse a direct order.
I know I'm going to get a lot of static for my response, but the lower ranks need to know that there is no room for questions when it comes to orders. I've been in Panama, Kuwait/Iraq, & Somalia, and in Bosnia & Serbia. In battle there is NO ROOM FOR QUESTIONING.
In the future he/she will Thank me for teaching them the proper chain of command.
Rangers Lead the Way/
All the Way

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Sep 17 at 2018 3:02 PM

PO1 Tom Follis — Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:02:54 -0400

That would only happen about...................once.

Response by Capt Adam Saxe made Sep 17 at 2018 7:10 PM

Capt Adam Saxe — Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:10:42 -0400

The sergeant (or his Navy opposite) is the most important person in any military organization. He's the backbone. Or she. In an ideal world, the junior officer (like my younger self) doesn't have to deal with petty nonsense. Nor, really, does a senior NCO. The E-5 or E-6 at hand takes charge and solves the "problem" right away. This is how militaries functioned for thousands of years. Recently, everybody gets the right to a sore feelings report. In reality, I get that treating people with the utmost respect and dignity is the best way to ensure loyalty, fidelity, and good order & discipline. Ruling over your troops out of fear like some feudal lord of yore is not an effective leadership strategy. However, a really good NCO, in my humble opinion, has the right rapport w/his men that when he gives out a no shit take that hill order, they actually WANT to do it. I don't remember if it was George Marshall, George Patton, or Winston Churchill (or maybe someone else), but I did, years ago, come across a quote that more or less described combat leadership as the art of making men actually, truly, WANT to take that hill--risks understood. When I was once deployed in a non combat position (though still receiving "hazardous duty" pay--sorry taxpayers) the number one problem I and other company-grade officers complained about was the daily problem of having to "convince" our troops to do what was actually just their basic day duty. I was so fed up that I actually scheduled an appointment with the installation's mental health clinic. And I was introduced to the resident psychologist who happened to be a young, petite female 1LT who quickly informed me that my complaints represented the vast majority of the rest of her officer patients' complaints. She even explained that she had had a problem with a troublesome subordinate. She then gave me a CD on deep breathing exercises and sent me on my way.

At this point I thought I had stepped into bizarro world where the idea of giving an order and expecting to be carried out to the letter was somehow a lost cause. THEN, however, my soulmate of a senior NCO arrived to fill a vacancy in our shop. I briefly mentioned to him that I "sensed" some "troubles" regarding how "serious" some of troops were taking their duties. He just sort of smiled and nodded. I knew he was an old-school guy and wanted to help improve our outfit. But I didn't really know how he intended to do so.

And, actually, I never did learn. All I know is that in about 2 days the temperament of our unit (and our morale) improved ten-fold. Now, I wish I could have inspired that solely on my own, but MY boss told me that wasn't my job. When you have an NCO who truly gets what the military is all about, your life becomes much easier overnnight--and I'm not just talking about officers or senior NCOs. If you're that angry E-2 your life becomes easier! If . . . you accept the guidance of a guy who's been around the block a couple of times. He WANTS you to succeed. But he also knows that you are not capable of "succeeding" as a 19 year old kid fresh out of boot camp. Yes, you spent a few weeks learning how to walk in a straight line and shoot a gun. Congrats. There are 10 year old girls who can do that. But YOU are going to be entrusted with responsibility. The E-3 or E-4 in an infantry platoon carries far more responsibility on his shoulders than does the Lieutenant in command of the whole outfit. Really. Men who might be older than you, but with less experience, may question your fitness to tell them what to do. But therein lies the "burden of command." What they may not realize is that it is YOU who is responsible for their lives. Not the other way around. When young troops "get" this, they begin the process of becoming the best NCOs in the best military in human history.

Response by SSgt Shane Karst made Sep 18 at 2018 9:25 AM

SSgt Shane Karst — Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:25:53 -0400

I would order the troop inside and begin his Article 15 paperwork taking him back to E1.

Response by CW5 Dennis Stewart made Sep 21 at 2018 8:29 AM

CW5 Dennis Stewart — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:29:31 -0400

Absolutely the Squad leader and Shit bird would be in my office or some other private area after formation. Squad leader would have his duties and responsibility explained or forfeit his position and rank. Shit bird would be given one option. Adapt to military life or go back to the block. Shit bird would also be given the task assigned and then some extra to learn his lesson.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Sep 22 at 2018 10:24 AM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:24:02 -0400

After reading some of the comments, I do wish (some) people would read the question and respond to the scenario outlined, not their interpretation. One commenter, for example, essentially said "Give him another chance". The question had already stated that he'd been given a second chance. That commenter also inferred that "Maybe the guy was having a bad day". Who cares? Having a bad day is no excuse for insubordination.
But back to the question: Very similar situation happened to me (late '60's after my return from 'Nam). I was an E5 and the self-appointed barracks NCO (self-appointed because no one had been assigned and to one else stepped up). One evening just before lights out, I told a Corporal to get someone to sweep down the center aisle of the barracks. I hadn't walked 10 feet away when I heard a PFC tell him to "Fuck off". That was bad enough - but then I saw the Corporal just pick someone else. First, I walked back over and told "someone else" to go back to what he'd been doing. Then I told the Corporal to stand-by. I'd talk with him in a minute. Finally I turned to the PFC and told him to get the F'ing broom and sweep. We did the staring at each other routine for a few seconds, then he blinked and got the broom. Then I went back to the Corporal, took him outside and, in essence, told him that if he could not act like a Corporal, I'd see what I could do to put him back to Lance Corporal.

Response by CPO Robert Shanks made Sep 27 at 2018 1:04 PM

CPO Robert Shanks — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:04:04 -0400

When I was in the Navy, I'd of verbally chewed his face off. Afterwards, him and I would go to one of the ammunition magazines, and ask him if he's ever a smartass again, I'll bring him back down here and rough him up.

Response by Cpl Robert Masi made Oct 1 at 2018 6:31 PM

Cpl Robert Masi — Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:31:29 -0400

Play games

Response by Cpl Robert Masi made Oct 1 at 2018 6:34 PM

Cpl Robert Masi — Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:34:29 -0400

All these guys are talking about writing their subordinates up. This is why the new Marines can better integrate women....the men have turned into a bunch of HR sissies.

Response by CW3 Dan Mackey made Oct 2 at 2018 11:14 PM

CW3 Dan Mackey — Tue, 02 Oct 2018 23:14:22 -0400

Choose the biggest meanest most experienced member of the platoon and tell them they are in charge of the mouth until the job is done and if the mouth doesn't do it he has to do the job! When the job is completed if the mouth has not had some solid wall to wall attitude adjusting make him report to you and the 1st sergeant on the weekend in class A's for a full TA 50 inspection. Inform the 1st sergeant as to what happened and that you will handle the malcontent on the weekend. If his attitude problem continues have him reassemble is full TA 50 add a sand bag to his ruck and take him for a session of burnout PT roll him thru the mud a few times and inform him his TA 50 is filthy and that he has failed the inspection and needs to report Sunday for a reinspection.

Response by SSG Lee Kujawa made Oct 3 at 2018 2:17 PM

SSG Lee Kujawa — Wed, 03 Oct 2018 14:17:04 -0400

That’s insubordination. UCMJ covers this.

Response by LT Louis McKellar made Oct 4 at 2018 10:19 AM

LT Louis McKellar — Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:19:00 -0400

Having transitioned from E6 to O3, I found that allowing the LPO or CPO the opportunity to resolve the issue was best.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Oct 6 at 2018 5:19 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sat, 06 Oct 2018 05:19:40 -0400

Get in that PRICKS FACE and nip it in the bud ASAP!!!

Response by SGT Mark Brown made Oct 10 at 2018 2:36 PM

SGT Mark Brown — Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:36:55 -0400

Rip out his eyes and skull fu€k him.

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Oct 12 at 2018 9:30 AM

SGM Ronald Cheatom — Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:30:01 -0400

As a team leader, on up, something like that only happens once. That soldier would never have gotten a second chance. Should be nipped first time out.

Response by SGT Hans Brockmann made Oct 19 at 2018 11:27 PM

SGT Hans Brockmann — Fri, 19 Oct 2018 23:27:51 -0400

Counseling and get creative with the corrective action if he acts like a kid treat him like it and if he keeps it up UCMJ the only way.

Response by SPC Clayton Ellzey made Oct 20 at 2018 3:52 PM

SPC Clayton Ellzey — Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:52:20 -0400

I can honestly say I was that private one day in the motor pool my Plt Sgt took me to the side locked my heels and gave me a ass chewing my Lt joined in.
I was angry and upset that someone who helped raise me had died and a week later I was notified about it the CQ never passed the red cross call on and the sgt on duty was the pos squad leader of mine.
His response was he forgot and had other things on his mind.
He was DX'd I learned alot that day after it was over .
99 % of our NCO's gave a dam and would listen and talk with you not at you.

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Oct 25 at 2018 1:02 PM

Lt Col Kevin Wyman — Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:02:32 -0400

Immediate discussion with the offender who will have his heels locked and at attention out where others may see but not hear our conservation (to make an example). would ask the offender if he would prefer not to be in the military and if so take immediate steps to ensure a fast public discharge and make this discharge is as unacceptable to him as his actions were unacceptable to me and his buddies.
I am thinking Article 15 followed by nothing better than a general discharge. Cant't have this cancer spread to other troops!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2018 2:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 27 Oct 2018 14:44:30 -0400

I have run into similar situations. It never pays to jump in before looking. The most disiplinary thing that should be done is remove the Soldiers from the formation remind them no matter what the issue is that caused they to back mouth you; they are still a service member and there is still a position of authority. However you do also need to find out what the issue is before you jump into there space. Everyone has issues and you never know what it is. So think before you jump.

Response by SFC Jimmy Sellers made Oct 29 at 2018 7:19 AM

SFC Jimmy Sellers — Mon, 29 Oct 2018 07:19:59 -0400

Discipline is what makes a military unit function. Without it the unit is just a pack of lazy young people and older people waiting to become eligible for retirement. The utmost respect must be given to the CoC or else a unit cannot function in combat and will deteriorate during peace time.
The situation described in this question requires swift and decisive action on the part of the “senior E5” and the other NCO’s in this unit. The PFC has either forgotten or ignored what was taught to him/her in Basic Training. The PFC must be taken back to a Basic Training style environment and re-taught some respect. It will require a certain level of aggression and cruelty from the NCO’s. This is what Marine NCO’s are expected to do and it usually works. Other branches of the military could learn a valuable lesson from the Marines when it comes to enforcing discipline. The PFC in this scenario does not have to be chartered out or lose a rank. Some good old fashioned smoking and public humiliation could turn him or her around and lead to a realization that the PFC should straighten up and become a useful member of the unit.

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Nov 2 at 2018 9:53 AM

CWO3 Warren Gaudreau — Fri, 02 Nov 2018 09:53:18 -0400

Immediately remove the individual from the formation to a more private setting, make them remain there alone until you regain your composure and calm your thoughts of laying them out. This individual is the rotten apple that will definitely spoil the barrel. An example must be set for the sake of the unit. This is a UCMJ offense and must be addressed accordingly.

Response by SFC Felix Latorre made Nov 14 at 2018 5:55 PM

SFC Felix Latorre — Wed, 14 Nov 2018 17:55:18 -0500

The military tary has procedure to handle this kind of issues. But you won't be a nice guy all time. You need to project leadeship as well as comand and control. You fight for democracy but is not democracy on the military. Two things, loyalty and respect and integrity. The 3 general orders. If you can't handle your team, squad or platoon then you are in the wrong position. If this guy is out of your hands you have to escalate this to your section leader and take proper actions for disrespect an NCO. But themilitary has many ways to take care of this actions.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Nov 16 at 2018 4:17 PM

1SG Billye Jackson — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 16:17:18 -0500

Lets just say He would Only do it ONCE!

Response by Ron Ayotte made Nov 19 at 2018 6:49 AM

Ron Ayotte — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 06:49:01 -0500

As an officer in the Fire Department at the ranks of Lieutenant and Captain, I had this happen on occasion, mostly with firefighters working overtime on my shift. They would be given an assignment, I would get the "that's not the way my group does it".

My answer would be, "well, this isn't your group... this is MY group, MY station. Either do what you were told or go home. I can page out for another firefighter who would gladly want the overtime. It's your move now"...

I never had anyone go home.. the financial incentive made them make the right decision.

Response by Sgt Phil Quintana made Nov 26 at 2018 12:57 AM

Sgt Phil Quintana — Mon, 26 Nov 2018 00:57:24 -0500

I had a Pvt in my squad that tried that. I pulled him aside and calmly & quietly explained that his attitude was going to get him in a world of hurt. I told him he was either going to square himself away or he was going to win up in the brig. I also to him to ask the squad about me. I never had another problem with him.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Nov 29 at 2018 8:59 AM

SSG Dave Johnston — Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:59:46 -0500

Back in the 'Day', the command of "Front leaning rest position; MOVE" to remind the soldier who was in charge would take care of the issue by allowing the other subordinates to address the problem... Now then, it seems that "Sociologist, "Social justice worriers, civilian educated "Behavioral Scientist" have changed the dynamics of discipline required in the military. The "Not Square Building" in Arlington, Va. needs to stop looking to the 'Civilian' world in these matters.

Response by CPT Derek Wren made Dec 7 at 2018 12:41 PM

CPT Derek Wren — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 12:41:16 -0500

Unfortunately this is the BS mentality the lower enlisted have nowadays in my personal opinion. Not all, but quite a few. From my time as a lower listed through Company Commander and as a BB Staff Officer I saw all this time and time again and was astounded and had zero tolerance for it. It was not tolerateed when I was a lower enlisted soldier, nor would I allow it to take place under my command. Regarding how to handle it this soldier would immediately be removed from the formation and or gathering and brought to the side and immediately understand the repercussions of their actions if at that time they continued on the same course they had previously gone the matter would be taking further with counseling as well as brought up to higher leadership.

Response by SGT James Colbert made Dec 9 at 2018 9:25 AM

SGT James Colbert — Sun, 09 Dec 2018 09:25:08 -0500

Well in the "old " army... prior to 2000, i would definitely have this private push up "sea level". Probably would be conselling statement and NJP. Probably buff floors for a week, cut grass, wash windshields in the motorpool, paint parking lines or it being winter snow shovel voluntold

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Dec 10 at 2018 2:36 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Mon, 10 Dec 2018 02:36:12 -0500

This is the second time a question of this nature has been asked. So here goes. An E2 with less than simple intelligence tells you off ans blantantly refuses to do his assigned duty. Respondence #1. Remind him of his place in the pecking order of the military, he gets assigned to do a duty. Since he feels and voices his disrespect to you in no uncertain terms. Remind him he will do his assigned task in a polite manner. If he refuses again, take him over to the platoon/flight sgt and repeat the E2s assigned task in front of the platoon/flight sgt. Then inform said E2 that he will report for further duties after normal duty day is complete, for additional duty (ie, cleaning the latrines in the barracks, guard duty, etc.). If he refuses again, write him/her up and refer him/her to the company/squadron first sgt. Recommend that this individual be placed on extra duty of the first sgts preferance. Responce #2. Escort the E2 behind a seculded area and kick the crap out of him/her for insubordination and inform the first sgt that he slipped on a bar of soap.

Response by CPL Sarah Verity made Dec 24 at 2018 9:16 AM

CPL Sarah Verity — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 09:16:41 -0500

As a former private, I feel the need to pitch in here. I'm going to be blunt, so you might not want to read any further lol. For one, there's no such thing as a "senior E5" that alone is off-putting (also known as "power tripping") and if you display this attitude to your subordinates it's no wonder you're having problems. I went from E2 to CPL in less than a year because it times of war the military seeks out the best leaders. First thing is to get to know your soldiers well. His first impression of you is you're not a leader worth following. Punishing him won't change his mind. You're going to be accused of abuse at some point if you think hazing him day in and day out will work. They've been hazed up to that point by drill sergeants and it obviously did nothing to correct the problem. So on being a leader, you need to seek first to understand than be understood. Is this soldier being treated like shit day in and out under your leadership causing him to loose faith in your ability to lead? That's usually the situation. If you treat him like a dog, be prepared to get bit. Now, how to change it is the answer you're looking for. Hold a weekend picnic at the lake, we did this all the time. Let the families meet, the kids run and learn who your soldiers are when the uniform comes off. And for GOD SAKE don't "pull rank" at the picnic! You will realize that this soldier is a human being, talented and capable of behaving when he isn't under constant orders from superiors. He can relax, breathe and you can sit down with a beer and Barbee Q with a cold one or whatever as you talk life over and figure out what he wants for his future and how you as his sergeant can help lead him there. I had a soldier, totally out of control and had popped positive for crystal Meth. It turns out his wife was divorcing him. We put him through rehab and counseling. Another soldier having a mental health crisis, we let him go to counseling, all back when a 'personality discharge' was the norm. These guys ended up being great soldiers. Your soldiers have been through alot and their tired of people telling them how to breathe. Hold an outing, figure out who this person (not soldier) is and he will respect you and trust your leadership because you're the only one who sees him as a human being and respects him as such. After that if you still have problems, it goes on paper.

Response by CPL Sheila Lewis made Jan 2 at 2019 8:14 AM

CPL Sheila Lewis — Wed, 02 Jan 2019 08:14:55 -0500

Look that troop eye to eye and say "Front leaning rest, execute."

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2019 4:00 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:00:07 -0500

The way I handled it in 1960 as a SGT E-5 was to dismiss all but PVT Smartmouth, escorted his young ass to the First Seargeant, promptly filled out charges for disrespect to an NCO. PVT Smartmouth was given a Summary Courts Martial, reduced to PVT E-1, forfeited all pay and allowances, and placed in confinement for 90 days. He became a model soldier after completing his sentence. Within 18 months afterward his confinement, he attained the grade of E-5.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Jan 18 at 2019 7:47 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:47:33 -0500

By this time, knot-head should have a clue as to how things work. It's obvious, at least to me, that he is an example waiting to be used. I would ask him one time; "Are you sure that's what you want?" If he backs down you have some latitude. If he doesn't, throw the biggest list of book charges you can compile at him and push it hard and fast. Don't give him the opportunity to recant or weasel out. I know it's harsh, but more and more of these entitled brats are coming of age. Making a show of disciplinary fury might help prevent others from doing this kind of stupid stunt. In 1977 a friend of mine actually told the chief that he was going on strike until he received an admin discharge. The Chief wasted no time having him up on Art. 15 and he received 3 days bread and water. When he came out the chief informed him that the 3 days didn't count towards the completion of his enlistment and it didn't bother him at all to send him back as many times as it took. Or he could get his stuff together, get to work, and pursue an admin discharge through proper channels with no repercussions. Not only did James get his stuff together, he became an exemplary sailor who actually reenlisted shortly before I got out. I should point out though, when James said he was going on strike it wasn't done in front of the whole unit where it became a public challenge to authority.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jan 19 at 2019 4:19 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Sat, 19 Jan 2019 16:19:06 -0500

As an officer combat hardened, this soldier and I would have a "come to Jesus" moment in my office with the 1st Sgt present. If he didn't get his head screwed on there, the last act of defiance would be as the MP's were carrying him to the stockade.

Response by SSG Jerry Kee made Jan 23 at 2019 12:35 AM

SSG Jerry Kee — Wed, 23 Jan 2019 00:35:29 -0500

He would fall out of formation, send him to his quarters and inform him you will send for him when he has completed his duties. I would then discuss it with Top and get his input. Sounds like a good opportunity to put someone on KP for a week or Guard Duty. The second time, Art 15, period.

Response by SFC Bobby Vann made Jan 24 at 2019 8:38 PM

SFC Bobby Vann — Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:38:43 -0500

I never had this happen but I wish it did.

Response by SGT Tom Cross made Jan 28 at 2019 3:05 AM

SGT Tom Cross — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 03:05:24 -0500

you will follow the orders given to you by and any NCO of Officer as long as it isn't an Unlawful order.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Jan 28 at 2019 3:44 AM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Mon, 28 Jan 2019 03:44:30 -0500

First and foremost, before a scuffing from heck, you calmly write a counseling recording the privates actions. This may seem "new army" but when this attitude continues a pattern can be shown to chapter him out. Then we go get our camelbaks and have some fun.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2019 12:52 PM

CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Feb 2019 12:52:00 -0500

PO1 George Martin,
I cannot speak on behalf of the other branches of service. But with that said, I have a good idea what they would do. And it would not be good for the E-2.

I served in the U.S. Marine Corps 1978 - 1981 and with all three segments of the United States Army, i.e., U.S. Army 1981-1985 / 1987-1991 (Desert Storm Veteran), Ohio Army National Guard 1991-1999 and U.S. Army Reserve 1985-1987 / 1999-2010 (Retired).

All I can say is, back in the day, “I would not want to be in his boots for the next two weeks.” Beginning right after that formation. Hell week in Basic Training wouldn’t begin to touch what this E-2 was about to experience. Especially.... in the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Army.

In my day concerning the USMC after formation, this E-2 would been instructed to stand fast. The Assistant Squad Leader (Gunner) in Field Artillery 0811, would have been instructed to carry on with the rest of the section and follow through with the orders of the day. Then Gunny an E-7 and the Sgt an E-5 would begin. They would be all up in this E-2’s face. Then the First Sergent E-8 takes over. After a counseling, this E-2 would belong to (TOP) for the next two weeks. The E-2 would have have been ordered to scrub floors, wax and buff the floors, clean toilets, clean the units weapons in the arms room with an inspection per each weapon, emptying trash cans, painting the orderly room, emptying the oil pans in the Motor Pool, picking up trash in the Battalion Area, painting rocks in the (Btry Area), put on every nasty detail you could imagine, mandated to endure inspection after inspection of himself, his room, his field gear and his equipment. He would also be ordered to go on a 10 mile road march every morning at 0400hrs with a 40lb full ruck pack, webb gear, weapon and helmet, accompanied by an NCO. How do you think each NCO felt about being ordered to march with this insubordinate E-2 throughout the next two weeks? 14 straight days to include Saturday and Sunday? This E-2 would be ordered to empty trash and do the nasty details at the Mess Hall as well. The E-2 would also be ordered to do extra P.T. during his lunch and after liberty, accompanied by an NCO. That’s just the beginning.

After enforcing those two weeks of unofficial punishment via details, then comes the....Company Grade Article 15 administered by the Btry Commander (Skipper). The E-2 would receive an official two weeks of extra duty. To include in the Article 15,....Restricted to the Barracks, except the Mess Hall and Chapel and (One Weeks Pay) taken out. Hardcore Semper Fi!

In my day, early.....in the U.S. Army, that E-2 probably would receive most of that mentioned above but would have been sent to CCF. They used to tack that on to an Article 15 for one week for the most extreme cases in the Army. The Correctional Custody Facility, where they ran P.T. with a telephone pole at 0400hrs, not counting everything else they were ordered to do at CCF.

Then....once back from CCF, a group of NCO’s chose by the First Sergeant would have been selected to give instruction to this E-2 concerning personal motivation. Behind Closed Doors. I doubt the E-2 would ever disobey a lawful order given to him again. Especially, if this E-2 had to serve in some of the units I served in during the late 70’s and early 80’s. Memories. Hooah!

My how times have changed. For the most part, they have changed for the good. I bet many are glad this is 2019, instead of 1978, or 1981. There is no explanation as to what this E-2 could say. Disrespect, Failure to Repair, Failure to follow orders, Disobeying a Lawful Order Article 92, that’s just for starters. Now, if the E-2 had some mental health issue or serious personal issue(s), I assume that would be exposed and handled in house. But the UCMJ should be implemented in some form. For good order and discipline.

Response by GySgt Dewey Bennett made Feb 18 at 2019 9:31 AM

GySgt Dewey Bennett — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:31:03 -0500

Before or after my CSM takes him away?

Response by SPC Katherine Adams (Clayburn) made Feb 23 at 2019 11:50 PM

SPC Katherine Adams (Clayburn) — Sat, 23 Feb 2019 23:50:32 -0500

Nip that in the ass..... Old fashioned smoking would change his tune....
Though nowadays, seems to me that the new privates get away with way to much now. Don't ask why they don't want to do it. It was a freaking order for him to do the job, period. Whether he likes it or not..... not like it was unlawful for Christ's sake.

Response by SPC Richelle Rice-Simms made Mar 4 at 2019 3:59 AM

SPC Richelle Rice-Simms — Mon, 04 Mar 2019 03:59:15 -0500

Personally, I’d want to beat his ass, but that can’t occur, so, I’d take him aside and give him a verbal warning, if the attitude continued then a written warning & if it still continued, up the chain of command for more severe punishment.

Response by SGT Robert Marinez made Mar 6 at 2019 5:37 AM

SGT Robert Marinez — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 05:37:22 -0500

While I am not a fan of publicly disciplining a soldier, public disrespect deserves public discipline to ensure that others in the formation do not get confused about obeying direct orders. With the limited information provided, I am going to assume that the SM was purposely disrespectful and willfully disobeying a direct order. I would immediately forcefully, loudly, and colorfully address the soldiers blatant disrespect and insubordination. I would have the SM fall out to the front of the formation and begin smoking him. While the SM is performing exercises as a part of his corrective action, I would finish giving out the work for the day and dismiss everyone to their assigned tasks except for a few senior E-4s, whom I would have standby in the vicenity. I would then forcefully, loudly, and colorfully discuss the situation with the SM to get to the root cause of the issue. If there is some sort of horrible life event he is dealing with that I am somehow not yet aware of, I would give the SM the opportunity to perform the assigned task after a sufficient smoke session while still dealing with the consequences of losing his military bearing by having the senior E-4s ensure that the SM will never make the same mistake again through personal attention and corrective training as needed for the next few days. If there has not been some sort of horrible life event, the SM would be smoked until he is ready to complete his assigned tasks. Once the SM is ready to comply, my senior E-4s would accompany the SM to ensure that the task is completed in a satisfactory manner by the SM alone if possible. Once the task is completed I would continue to smoke the SM as a part of my corrective training until the next task needing to be done came up, and I would again assign the SM to perform this new task and have my E-4s accompany him again to ensure that the task is completed in a satisfactory manner. Once the task has been completed I would continue to smoke the SM as a part of my corrective action until the next task that needs to be done came up. This would continue throughout the day. At COB, the SM would not be allowed to stand in formation, but instead, be positioned off to the side to continue being smoked during the formation. This is to ensure that the point is driven home to the rest of SMs that disrespect and insubordination will not be tolerated under my leadership. Once the other SMs have been released for the day, the insubordinate SM would be assigned to clean the Company AO while I stayed to supervise to ensure that the tasks are completed in a timely and satisfactory manner. Once the company AO has been thouroughly cleaned, I would instruct the SM to immediately begin working on a 2000 word report about Military discipline, the effects of insubordination and disrespect toward leadership in the military, and applicable military laws and potential punishments under military law for the SMs actions. I would instruct the SM to write the essay in APA format with proper citations of all material used to compile his report. I would then release the SM for the evening with instructions to report for duty 2 hours prior to first formation everyday until he has completed his report to my satisfaction. The SM would further be instructed that he will report to me the following day with an outline of his report as soon as he showed up to the company AO as I would be there to meet him for his report time. The SM would be instructed to bring his work with him every morning to show his progress and receive guidance from me on his report. The SM would be further instructed to not leave base if he resides on post with his family until the report is completed. If the SM lives in the barracks, the SM would not be allowed to leave the battalion area without being escorted by an E-4 or above and would not be allowed off base because he can no longer be trusted to hold military bearing until he completes his report to my satisfaction. I would instruct the E-4s in his platoon to ensure that the SM complies with all of my instructions regarding his restriction to the battalion AO without an E-4 or above escorting him. I would also ask them to assist the SM in relearning his military bearing and to mentoring him. If the SMs behavior continues despite my attempts at corrective action, I would then begin paperwork, but this would be my last resort.

Response by SPC Greg K. made Mar 6 at 2019 8:45 AM

SPC Greg K. — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 08:45:32 -0500

Wall-to-wall counseling? E-4 Mafia?

Response by MAJ Terry Stanley made Mar 6 at 2019 3:19 PM

MAJ Terry Stanley — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:19:56 -0500

Platoon attention! Half left face! Front leaning rest position move! In cadience exercise!

Response by SGT C Breckenridge made Mar 6 at 2019 6:47 PM

SGT C Breckenridge — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 18:47:11 -0500

its easy, you refer him to charley's chicken farm for failure to follow an indirect order and/or failure to repair. its company level, does not require an Article 15 and if he has problems there, push it up the chain to Batt. While blanket parties might work, get caught doing it and its your ass that will be facing the UCMJ.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2019 11:48 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 11:48:46 -0500

That's easy. As a 2LT I had an E-4 challenge my authority balking my authority over a relatively easy task on the "night shift of an ORI" - this was many years ago. With witnesses present, I gave her a "new task better fitting her attitude". The previous task was checking in new arrivals to the decontamination area. Her new task was cleaning the communal latrine. That was the LAST time I had issue with her AND others present knew not to mess with the L T. Bottom line: if your subordinate with the attitude doesn't like Task A, then assign Task B, Task C, etc and ratchet up the unpleasantness until they get the message. As long as the order is legal, they're obligated to follow.
One more thing, should you have aspirations for Senior NCO status one day, you'll want to learn how to handle this type of situation on the spot! The longer you wait, the more your authority will degrade

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2019 1:27 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 13:27:02 -0500

Tell that sorry E2 to stand by after formation with the senior E4. In the army, the E4 mafia can be a very powerful tool for leadership when they're on your side... lol. I personally don't like the paperwork route, but will bring that along if the smoke session doesn't resolve the issue. Bringing the E4 along does a number of things. 1: you show him hands on how to handle such issues for when he gets promoted. 2, its an inconvenience to him which will be fuel for the mafia to keep the underlings in line. 3. It covers your ass if the E2 tries to come after you legally. As far as the smoking goes, you gotta play that depending on MET-TC. you can get away with a lot more in some units than others. In my first unit I was counseled after making an E2 do 50 burpees because he was late for the 4th conescutive time to formation. my current unit doesn't care what you do for how long as long as the mission, health and well being of the soldier aren't put at risk.

Response by PO3 Robert Resch made Mar 7 at 2019 7:59 PM

PO3 Robert Resch — Thu, 07 Mar 2019 19:59:40 -0500

Since I was in the Coast Guard..
E-2 Seaman Apprentice, would be given the options of doing what he/she was told, be restricted to the Ship or Base or finding themselves standing before the Captain or even worse, let the crew in y section know they are being restricted to the base or ship until Seaman Apprentice asswipe, does what is told or expected of him or she...

I was lucky enough to have that experience first hand and I was only a Seaman E-3 at the time..
I was in charge of a duty section and an ass clown refused to work, period...
My Ship was home ported in Guam where the genius decided to go AWOL...
Guam police found the idiots ID card in a planter at the International Airport..
they walked through the airport terminals and found him..
the police contacted the Coast Guard Port Security and he was returned to back to the ship..
the CO gave him 2 months in the Marine Brigg where he cried and promised to be a good little boy.
after 2 weeks of Marines giving him a what for, the CO had him released, felt sorry for him and thinking he would keep his word...
once released he still refused to work.. he lied..
we were going to go to the Philippines in a week and some started talking about having him done in once there..
cost of life, back then $5
I let him know what was going on, he asked how much have they raised..
I said $5, he laughed..
I said, that is what it would take and I donated the first $5..
he stopped laughing..
2 days later he was gone..
apparently he called mommy and daddy in Washington, told them his life was threatened and need to come home..
his parents came up with a BS excuse and he was flown out for an emergency in the family with the help of the Red Cross...
after we got back to Guam the moron was suppose to be there when we arrived, he went AWOL in Washington..
Recruiters went after him, picked him up and couldnt stand the guy..
they put him on the first plane headed towards Guam, it was Hawaii..
once in Hawaii he was met with 2 others and they placed him on a MAC flight to Guam..
once back the CO gave him a full 2 months in the Brigg and reduction in pay..
I had the luxury of picking him up at the Marine hotel hell..
in doing so I was given 14 rounds of Ammo, Colt 1911, set of handcuff's and baton.
when I picked him up in front of the Marines i gave him the option of going handcuffed or not..
he chose not to be handcuffed..
I said good but if you decide to take off I will shoot you...
the look on his face was priceless and the ones the Marines gave was with joy, they couldn't stand the guy either..
Also,i told him another collection has been taken up..
if you wont work or do as your told, you know whats coming...
I lied..
he straightened out his act, he did what he was told...
he had to, we were headed for Vietnam...

Response by LTC Laura Wickett made Mar 8 at 2019 7:46 AM

LTC Laura Wickett — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 07:46:26 -0500

You dress him down on the spot, no explanations needed.

Response by SGT Shane Serna made Mar 8 at 2019 7:54 AM

SGT Shane Serna — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 07:54:28 -0500

Depends if the platoon leader is a snot bag. I wouldn’t care and have ripped into mine a few times if they are wrong. On the other hand that snot bag is in charge for a reason and 99% of the time I would agree with the snot bag.

Response by MCPO Mark Burns made Mar 8 at 2019 8:38 AM

MCPO Mark Burns — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 08:38:08 -0500

One the group is dismissed. I'd take the E-2 to the office for a counseling session.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2019 8:51 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Mar 2019 08:51:13 -0500

You stop it right away, after a quick come to Jesus in front of all, you have the turd fallout with his Team Leader to your office. You finish up PLT business and have your Senior E-6 take over. Once at your office you speak to the Team Leader first about Private Turd's attitude and what you you expect and the assignment they were given. Give TM LDR a suspense on the work required and then if not completed by PVT Turd, plus a counseling to Turd and one for the TM LDR. If not completed then you push for extra duties and if that fails restrictions then Article 15.

Response by 1SG Ted Mcdaris made Mar 9 at 2019 12:26 AM

1SG Ted Mcdaris — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:26:23 -0500

PRIVATE SMART ASS STAND FAST, PLATOON DISMISSED !!! PRIVATE COME WITH ME. (TO THE WOODS) !!!

Response by 1SG Ted Mcdaris made Mar 9 at 2019 12:29 AM

1SG Ted Mcdaris — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 00:29:22 -0500

STAND FAST PVT. SQUAD DISMISSED !! COME WITH ME PVT ( TO THE WOODS)

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Mar 9 at 2019 5:05 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 17:05:06 -0500

Here Private, let me help you to your feet.
Oh wait - those days are long past. Cut right to the chase; dismiss the others and place this private on report for disrespect and disobeying a lawful order. Why screw around?

Response by MSgt Ted C Hall made Mar 9 at 2019 6:16 PM

MSgt Ted C Hall — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 18:16:04 -0500

Counseling, referral up the chain, and, unless we collectively decide they are worth redemption, wave as he or she goes out the gate. Not something we tolerated in the AF since we had no particular need for anyone requiring discipline imposed on them. Individuals needed to be self motivated, trustworthy, and reliable. I'd have taken the time to find out who let him graduate basic and let them know they failed that individual and the Air Force letting that get by them. When I trained and certified a tech and put them on standby to support critical navigational equipment after hours they were directly responsible for insuring aircraft got the guidance necessary to bring a billion dollar aircraft, millions of dollars worth of cargo, and possibly hundreds of Soldiers or Marines to a safe landing. Especially on those a dark and stormy nights.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2019 8:04 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 20:04:49 -0500

In my day we would put that idiot in the mickey mouse gang, and if that didnot change his attitude then muster his ass out with a bad conduct discharge. And that would happen in just 2 days time.

Response by SGT Charles Tittl made Mar 10 at 2019 11:38 AM

SGT Charles Tittl — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:38:19 -0400

Follow the guidelines set forth in FM 22-102 following formation.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Mar 10 at 2019 6:55 PM

CPT Mike Sims — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:55:16 -0400

Depends on the nature of the situation. Did the PV2 say something that was taken out of context by the leader - was it meant to be disrespectful or distasteful? Has the PV2 recently experienced an emotional trauma? Are there any issues of the PV2 being harassed, intimidated, bullied, or hazed by the squad or platoon when leaders are not around... or is a leader abusing the PV2? Does the PV2 have external problems going on that need to be factored into equation... alcohol abuse, drug use, family stress, marital problems, new baby on the way or already here, sleep disorders, adjusting to new medications that cause a chemical imbalance, hormonal imbalance, hypoglycemic issues, thyroid problems, blood pressure problems???

We are all human, and true leaders in the military learn how not to respond emotionally or erratically in response to a subordinate losing control of their emotions, composure and professional demeanor.

As leaders we are given the charge to lead, discipline, and train - but we are also given the responsibility to care for our troops and their families, and to investigate sitautions by asking the 5Ws and How? If we only react instead of being proactive, seeking answers by asking questions to investigate the real cause of the problem, and if we are too lazy to use all the support and resources we have at our disposal - then we are not being effective - because we are not being a solution - rather we are simply adding to the problem. I always believe by praising in public and admonishing in private. My ego was never bigger than my rank or position, and I could handle a PV2 losing themselves for a moment without it affecting me or my ability to maintain command and control.

So, find out what the real situation is, find out which leader within the CoC the PV2 is willing to speak with - to include the Chaplain, and work on what the real issues are. If the PV2 still needs to pay for it - then make it fair... in time this PV2 could one day be the next SMA or 4 star General ---- would we want that person to be the kind of leader I just spoke about as they rose through the ranks, or a hard-ass who could care less amd is abusive and slips through the ranks becoming a toxic leader like we have experienced in abundance over the past 20+ years in our ranks? Remember, we are not leading Privates, we are training Leaders! Give this PV2 a mission or area od responsibility (within an area they have an interest to excel) - assign them a mentor, and have them become accountable to more than just himself - or herself.

Lastly, counsel every 30 days on paper - setting attainable daily goals, weekly objectives, and monthly expectations - and find something to praise them for each day and at the end of each week - and if they come up short on something, take time to teach, coach and train them (if not you, then your subordinate leaders). Good luck!

P.S. - I was had a PV2 who was underage drinking and crashed his car off of a 7000 foot mountain... kid lost his brand new Mustang and almost lost his life. I could have discharged him... that's the easy thing to do. He was a good Soldier most of the time (a knucklehead other times - but that comes with age). After his rehab from surgeries and Article 15 punishment + 90 days confinement with extra duty (again after full physical rehab)... I didn't judge the PV2 harshly and I gave him room and time to bounce back. I encouraged my subordinate leaders to mentor, coach and train him. This kid ended up saving the lives of 2 kids from a burning apartment fire a year later, promoted to Sergeant 3 years later, performed flawlessly in combat, and then later was accepted into the Green to Gold program, where he went on to earn his degree and commission. Now he leads troops! Just something to think about as you consider your options.

Response by SPC Robert O brien made Mar 10 at 2019 7:55 PM

SPC Robert O brien — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 19:55:54 -0400

Looks like Kp and no furloughs until he she shapes up.

Response by SFC Scott Parkhurst made Mar 10 at 2019 8:58 PM

SFC Scott Parkhurst — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 20:58:40 -0400

I call them into my office and have a heart to heart....Someone who does this there is an obvious reason for this behavior. I also know that I could have made an example out of them by humiliation in front of other's and they might not do the same...but I feel this is not the answer. This could be a cry for help. But counseling is in order for sure.

Response by CPT Lawrence Cichelli made Mar 11 at 2019 8:04 AM

CPT Lawrence Cichelli — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:04:41 -0400

you tell them is is a lawful order. If they refuse, you take it up with the PLT SGT or better yet 1SG. Failing that, well the CO for Article 15. Use the chain of command 1st. the 1SG has much more experience and can handle it without resorting to UCMJ. But if they insist on being dirtballs, oh well.

Response by SSG Grant Hansen made Mar 11 at 2019 12:00 PM

SSG Grant Hansen — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:00:58 -0400

The PV2 will be assigned that duty plus any extra duty that needs to be done such as scrubbing toilets, garbage cans and any other nasty duty I can imagine for the next week. They will perform them without complaint immediately following a counseling statement where I explain that failure to perform said tasks will result in referral for a company grade Article 15 for failure to obey orders.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 11 at 2019 12:57 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:57:44 -0400

Again, a subject of what to do with a sever dipshit in your unit? Another take would be to send Pvt/Amn Dipshit with a Letter of Reprimand to see the executive officer with a recomendation for non judical punishment. If the officer has seen enough paper work on pvt/airman dipshit, he must approve an Article 15 hearing. All the evidence of disrespect to superiors, not obeying orders must be presented. When sentence is passed, dipshit must go to jail. Then his time is served, show him the gate out under escort, usually with two very large security personnel. In generall, get rid of the bad trash if it won't adhere to the military way.

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Mar 11 at 2019 10:50 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:50:13 -0400

Well son you are in a heap of trouble. Insubordination gets you an all expense trip to the brig.

Response by Lt Col Paul Gacke made Mar 11 at 2019 11:43 PM

Lt Col Paul Gacke — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:43:54 -0400

Just as you said. Keep the Pvt and Team leader back and dismiss the rest. Then you explain the Pvt shitbrain how this works. If he continues to mouth off, you issue him a reprimand, follows by additional details plus the one he was given. When he is through you bring him in and sit his ass down and explain the Proper way to address his supervisor in the event he has a complaint or a problem. Depending on his response, you tell him to hit the hay.
Pvt shitbrain got through basic somehow so he understands what it is like being in the military. He isn’t in High School now and he isn’t going to get credit recovery, or make up seat time, or in-School suspension. Those days are through and I’m sorry as hell his high school and family didn’t prepare him for the job he voluntarily took.

Response by SSG Julian Nicholson made Mar 13 at 2019 8:35 PM

SSG Julian Nicholson — Wed, 13 Mar 2019 20:35:26 -0400

Why is this question even being asked on this forum?
Seriously aren’t questions like this answered in or by NCO Leadership Schools, Senior NCO’s and Military Regulations? An NCO should know how to handle situations such as this before ever becoming an NCO.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Mar 19 at 2019 9:21 AM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Tue, 19 Mar 2019 09:21:47 -0400

I kind of did this when I was still wet behind the ears. My first day in the division on my first ship the Chief asked who had the working party the day before and then proceeded to call out the names for those that days working party which included me. I thought that was a good process. Next day at quarters the CPO again was making working party assignments and the last name he called was mine. I raised my hand and said I had been on the w/p the day before. The Chief said 'you don't like working parties? See me after quarters'. I went to him after being dismissed and he told me to report to the mess decks master at arms for a 3 month tour mess cooking (kp duty). I did learn my lesson.
When I became a leading petty officer I remembered that lesson (I had never repeated that mistake) and when confronted with the same attitude I admit to having rode guys pretty hard till they conformed. I had an E3 that was a very 'intimidating' guy who kept our head clean. I admit to sending 'problem children' to work in the head which always seemed to have good results. That was the 70's however and today I suspect we both would be in the brig but it worked.

Response by SSG Andrew Queale made Mar 27 at 2019 10:50 PM

SSG Andrew Queale — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:50:10 -0400

Give him/her a bad day. A work detail should seem like a 4-day weekend when you're done with your corrective training. Have a fellow NCO around as a witness in case of a complaint. The story will spread. The SM's peers will not have much sympathy for him/her.

Personally, I likely would not have calmly done anything: violence of action works just as well with joe as it does the enemy. Of course, I wasn't there.

Good luck with your SM.

Response by Cpl George Willard made Mar 31 at 2019 8:18 PM

Cpl George Willard — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:18:12 -0400

I was only a Cpl. E-4 U.S.M.C 1960-'64. I would have brought him up for Office Hours! That kind of behavior was NOT tolerated when I was in!

Response by SSgt Richard Shepard made Apr 7 at 2019 9:44 PM

SSgt Richard Shepard — Sun, 07 Apr 2019 21:44:39 -0400

Get down and give me 50. And then come back with the right answer

Response by Capt Al Parker made Apr 23 at 2019 3:29 PM

Capt Al Parker — Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:29:20 -0400

I had this happen to me in Basic Training. The Flight Leader (E3 ,AF) told us to fall in, I was moving fast as I got beside the FL he screamed right in my right in my ear. I called him a Brainy AHole I received an Article 15 for my action. He got away with his stupidity. To this day the hearing in my left ear is very limited even with hearing aids.

Response by SSG Charlie Davis made Apr 24 at 2019 12:35 AM

SSG Charlie Davis — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 00:35:43 -0400

The assignment has been made. When the assignment is scheduled and the balking E-2 does not appear, then he or she has abandoned post and is subject to the UCMJ in the strongest sense. The mere fact that the E-2 has suddenly disappeared from the unit for one or two weeks on restricted duty while the matter can be settled by internal mediation in the favor of the command and all those who thought or believed he or she got away with it. The fact that the E-2 suddenly reappears with a whole new perspective on military courtesy with full pay and allowances restored does send a strong message to all who may or may have heard rumors of the exchange. The key is not to make an issue out of it at the time. This also sends a silent message to the command that when assignments have been made, there will be no changes or exceptions. "Nuff said. . . .

Response by SFC Daniel Spicer made Apr 24 at 2019 12:52 PM

SFC Daniel Spicer — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:52:02 -0400

As a Senior NCO, I lived by the rule of praising in public, disciplining in private except in one situation, when my authority was challenged by a subordinate. In this situation, you must engage the individual directly, without hesitation and in a stern and candid manner that ensures no other subordinate will try you. My response: PVT, Army Command Policy states, "All persons in the military service are required to strictly obey and promptly execute the legal orders of their lawful
seniors." and if they don't they are subject UCMJ Article 92: Failure to Obey Order or Regulation. As your senior, this is my lawful order. You will execute that order or I will take your insubordination to the next level. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!

Response by GySgt Joseph Jay Johnston made Apr 24 at 2019 11:43 PM

GySgt Joseph Jay Johnston — Wed, 24 Apr 2019 23:43:10 -0400

What we usually do in a case like that We take the E2 and have him, duck walk with his rifle around the parade ground..and the parade ground is all sand then we inspect the rifle after he comes aound the 1 time,Guess what not only does he have a dirty piece but he has to go around again.

Response by Cpl Al Dee made Apr 25 at 2019 8:48 AM

Cpl Al Dee — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 08:48:42 -0400

Advise the rest of the platoon this behavior doesn't stand and will be handled after formation. After formation, call PV2 Shitbird and his team leader in the back. Tell him whatever attitude he has ends today. Tell his team leader to take care of the situation and advise the TL if he fails to do so and it happens again, not only will the private suffer but his whole team will suffer with him. They will square him away pretty quick.

Response by PV2 Gary Nixon made Apr 25 at 2019 2:28 PM

PV2 Gary Nixon — Thu, 25 Apr 2019 14:28:20 -0400

Back in my day, it would have involved a ass whooping or a blanket party. I'm guessing you can't do either with these snowflakes nowadays.

Response by PO2 Harold Hoffman made Apr 26 at 2019 9:26 AM

PO2 Harold Hoffman — Fri, 26 Apr 2019 09:26:01 -0400

Write all of them up on an Article 15 and let the CO duck walk their sorry asses for a month!

Response by PFC Gerald Bailey made Apr 28 at 2019 5:58 AM

PFC Gerald Bailey — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 05:58:52 -0400

Make them drop and give me 20 pushups. My 1SG in Germany did that to an E6 because the E6 had refused to remove his headgear as ask by myself, an E3 sitting on the CQ desk answering the phone during the day.

Response by SSG Wesley McCarty made Apr 28 at 2019 10:14 PM

SSG Wesley McCarty — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:14:10 -0400

I am thankful that I am retired. Ask my Soldiers back in the day how "BuckShot" would have responded. I once had a Soldier who would not clean his room. I had him take everything out of his room to include the furniture and set it up outside just like it was set up in the room. That is where he lived for the next 48 hours. After proper guidence he turned out to be one hell of a Soldier. We served three tours of Iraq together. You can't discipline Soldiers like that in today's army.

Response by Sgt John Mizell made Apr 28 at 2019 10:58 PM

Sgt John Mizell — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:58:45 -0400

Push ups in front of formation, barracks duty

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Apr 28 at 2019 11:19 PM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 23:19:58 -0400

Never had that happen to me. I would have members of the squad give him a GI shower.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2019 4:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 04:42:09 -0400

Fall out to the side, and I'll get to you in a few minutes. Take them to see the 1SG, and get this straight in a quick hurry. Counsel, RBI, restriction and probably extra duty that weekend.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2019 12:38 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:38:38 -0400

I will echo most of the commenters here: Immediate action is needed! This Private (or Airman or Seaman, etc) and the rest of his bretheren know exactly their place or they would've never had passed bootcamp. They are fully aware of, not only how to follow orders, but to seek help from the Chaplain when their emotional health is in need of some relief.

The first thing I recommend is to dismiss his/her entire Platoon and keep his squad leader or your 2d in command and mop the floor with him/her. Discipline instills morale and good order.

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made Apr 29 at 2019 9:23 PM

1SG Jason Almond — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:23:57 -0400

As a 1SG, this happened to me....believe me- I’m the type who would normally go pretty ballistic on open disrespect. I’d embarrass him the way he just tried to embarrass me.

However, in this particular morning, I was having an outstanding day. Really. I was in an excellent mood and things were going well. I’m going over the detail roster and when I tell PVT X that he had mowing duty, he replied, “why don’t you do it?”

I smiled, laughed a little and I said, “SSG Y, let me know when private X has completed all latrines, hallways, trash receptacles and all mowing- front and back. Let me know your recommendation for ART 15- extra duty-demotion- or both in the counseling. If you need additional supervision for him while you write the counseling- pull from his team as you see fit. Everyone else will meet me at the gym at 9 for a dodgeball tournament. Any questions? Outstanding. Fallout.”

Response by SFC Leo Augustin made Apr 29 at 2019 11:54 PM

SFC Leo Augustin — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 23:54:28 -0400

not the right answer, but back in my day, some body was getting their ass beat in my office no witnesses.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2019 4:09 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 May 2019 04:09:17 -0400

We had a recurrent problem with one guy... I'll call him "mouth". PV2 Mouth showed up and made dumbass comments to SPC Oldtimer. SPC Oldtimer attempted to redress the situation by telling PV2 Mouth he was fucked up. SSG Hobotheclown didn't like SPC Oldtimer. He didn't back up SPC Oldtimer. PV2 Mouth lost face. Later SPC Oldtimer is a team leader. He needs to get his team trained on the M240L, do room inspections on his 3 subordinates PFC Nerd PFC Bigcountry and PVT Newdick. PFC Mouth has made rank +1. He is a bad influence on PVT Newguy. PVT Newguy shows up late to work, gets smoked. SSG Hobotheclown thinks SPC Oldtimer shouldn't be a team leader and constantly undermines him whenever catching PFC newdick running his mouth instead of working. PVT Newdick blows off whatever SPC Oldtimer says because he knows SSG Hobotheclown never backs him up. PVT Newdick does drugs because he realizes the Army is bullshit. PFC Nerd hates his life because he has to do the shit details that now ranked up SPC Mouth is shamming, so he transfers to Battalion Scout Platoon. SSG Hobotheclown gets out and does steroids and bangs hookers until his dick falls off. SPC Oldtimer and PFC Bigcountry are stuck with all the work. PFC Bigcountry decides not to re-up because he doesn't want to do all the shit details. SPC Oldtimer, sick of the fucking motor-pool, drops a Green-to-Gold packet because he realizes he's wasting his fucking time. Now SPCNerd goes for a deployment, gets jacked, becomes a CPL team leader. He wonders if he should stay in; he still needs to do BLC. He is outranked by time-in-grade SGT Mouth, who is still a piece of shit.

True story.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2019 4:10 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 May 2019 04:10:42 -0400

We had a recurrent problem with one guy... I'll call him "mouth". PV2 Mouth showed up and made dumbass comments to SPC Oldtimer. SPC Oldtimer attempted to redress the situation by telling PV2 Mouth he was fucked up. SSG Hobotheclown didn't like SPC Oldtimer. He didn't back up SPC Oldtimer. PV2 Mouth did whatever he fuckin wanted. SPC Oldtimer lost face. Later SPC Oldtimer is a gun team leader. He needs to get his team trained on the M240L, do room inspections on his 3 subordinates PFC Nerd PFC Bigcountry and PVT Newdick, and assossiates team leader tasks - getting people places on time with the right stuff etc. Now PFC Mouth has made rank +1. He is a bad influence on PVT Newguy. PVT Newguy shows up late to work, gets smoked. SSG Hobotheclown thinks SPC Oldtimer shouldn't be a team leader and constantly undermines him whenever catching PFC newdick running his mouth instead of working. PVT Newdick blows off whatever SPC Oldtimer says because he knows SSG Hobotheclown never backs him up. PVT Newdick does drugs because he thinks the Army is bullshit. PFC Nerd hates his life because he has to do the shit details that now ranked up SPC Mouth is shamming, so he transfers to Battalion Scout Platoon. SSG Hobotheclown gets out and does steroids and bangs hookers until his dick falls off. SPC Oldtimer and PFC Bigcountry are stuck with all the work. PFC Bigcountry decides not to re-up because he doesn't want to do all the shit details. SPC Oldtimer, sick of the fucking motor-pool, drops a Green-to-Gold packet because he realizes he's wasting his fucking time. Now SPCNerd goes for a deployment, gets jacked, becomes a CPL team leader. He wonders if he should stay in; he still needs to do BLC. He is outranked by time-in-grade SGT Mouth, who is still a piece of shit.

True story.
This is today's Army. DISCIPLINE THE SMART ASS KIDS. PT THEM UNTIL THEY CRY.

Response by LTC James McElreath made May 5 at 2019 11:14 PM

LTC James McElreath — Sun, 05 May 2019 23:14:40 -0400

I would have his immediate supervisor stay and discuss your expectations and have his supervisor watch his private do the work. If there is a behavior modification program, have the supervisor escort him there for extra training. Now another corrective action is reduction of rank. and back it up with an Art 15.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made May 8 at 2019 1:17 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Wed, 08 May 2019 13:17:36 -0400

You have not given us enough information to give a true answer:

Have you given this soldier this item to do, exclusively, for months and maybe they are just tired of that specific job, and would like to do a different one for a change of pace?

IS he brand new to the army? Or is he an E-2, because he just fucked up and the boss dropped a grade or two?

What was the job? and what was his MOS?

Has he recently had something happen like divorce, death int he family, etc and is maybe acting out because he doesn't know how to handle that emotion?

Response by SPC Manny Managuit made May 8 at 2019 4:25 PM

SPC Manny Managuit — Wed, 08 May 2019 16:25:18 -0400

Mopp level 4.. running back and fourth from the barracks from level 1 to 4.. bet E2 won’t say anything after that.

Response by PO2 Russell Houston made May 14 at 2019 10:48 PM

PO2 Russell Houston — Tue, 14 May 2019 22:48:23 -0400

I would simply tell them. If you can't make it in the billion dollar military system, I will make it my mission to make sure you make it in the million dollar prison system. This is not a democracy, that's what you are defending, however...you are defending it through a dictatorship....and that would be though me and under the people I represent up the food chain...don't test the system, you'll lose

Response by SFC Don Kehote made May 23 at 2019 8:08 PM

SFC Don Kehote — Thu, 23 May 2019 20:08:00 -0400

A swift throat punch should solve the problem. If the PV2 still remains recalcitrant, keep them square in the nuts...or camel toe

Response by SGM Charles Twardzicki made May 24 at 2019 11:31 PM

SGM Charles Twardzicki — Fri, 24 May 2019 23:31:36 -0400

Give the Team leader the opportunity to resolve the issue, then the Squad leader. If not, it's up to the PSG to make the choice, Court Martial or watch the platoon implode. just my old timers humble opinion.

Response by Brad Miller made May 27 at 2019 12:38 AM

Brad Miller — Mon, 27 May 2019 00:38:24 -0400

Personally, I've always like Sun Tzu's method -- first, be sure the soldier understood the order. Second, once you are sure the soldier understands, if they still refuse to obey -- summary execution. (sigh) Those were the days!

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made May 28 at 2019 4:06 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Tue, 28 May 2019 16:06:40 -0400

Drop him and make him the first for extra duty until he shuts up. After that, kick him to HHB where they can put him on the gate or in the kitchen permanently.

Response by PO1 Robert Chalmers made May 28 at 2019 4:24 PM

PO1 Robert Chalmers — Tue, 28 May 2019 16:24:08 -0400

In the old days it would be a wall-to-wall "counseling" session, with the high possibility that he would require a visit to the base clinic, afterwards.
But today I would still not tolerate the disrespect, or the refusal to follow orders. I would make it clear that he didn't have an option, and if he continued to refuse to obey orders he could count on an Article 15, kiss his single stripe goodbye, and I MIGHT be kind enough to let him call his future dependapotomus and tell her that he would not be able to come visit her for the next 2-4 weeks, because he's going to be on extra duty until he readjusted his attitude.

Response by MSgt Joseph Holness made May 29 at 2019 11:37 AM

MSgt Joseph Holness — Wed, 29 May 2019 11:37:48 -0400

Let's see here......Most American kids since the 1990s have been brought-up in homes where there is no discipline, no value systems taught, NO RESPECT, no accountability and no REAL Role Models. The school systems & media in this country then perpetuate this with all of their "flowery touchy-feely don't offend or traumatize the kid" crapolla that gives the green light for students / young people to do & say what they like without any consequences (with the exception of saying the word: "Gun or fashioning a Pop-Tart to look like a pistol" which results in everybody running around like Chicken-Littles that results in the kid getting kicked-out of school with a felony record and / or ending up in prison). PLUS.....and I know this might "offend some here".... but today's culture in the USA glamorizes and glorifies the gang-banger culture and everything that it stands at every level & facet of culture & society which also includes bashing and demonizing anyone or anything that represents Law Enforcement and Military ie "Structured Environments and Career Fields" that require being a Disciplined Professional. So in-light of what I stated...Do The Math. We now live in a country where society / culture dictates that the student is smarter than the Teacher and the recruit is more experienced than the Drill Sergeant.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2019 4:29 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 May 2019 16:29:16 -0400

A two week "visit" at Charlie's Chicken Farm does wonders for attitude adjustments.

Response by SPC Joel Alioto made May 30 at 2019 12:34 AM

SPC Joel Alioto — Thu, 30 May 2019 00:34:18 -0400

Depends on what decade. 1980's lay him the fuck out with a good punch and inform him as to the error of his ways as he is laying on the ground. Now a days I guess charge him with disrespect and start a paper trail. One punch did me a world of good 30 years ago, But times have changed.

Response by 1SG Frank Boynton made May 30 at 2019 6:07 AM

1SG Frank Boynton — Thu, 30 May 2019 06:07:16 -0400

Back in the 70’s we had conex counseling for these types of situations. One trio behind the conex and your attitude was changed permently. With all the snowflakes today, maybe it’s time to brink that type of motivational practice back.

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made May 30 at 2019 11:19 AM

LTC Orlando Illi — Thu, 30 May 2019 11:19:12 -0400

I would call the entire group to attention and tell them this: "... any organization is only as good as its weakest link. No one gets to choose what they will or will not do in this unit. The individual in question, is placed on restriction and will be referred for violations of the UCMJ for refusing a direct order. However, in the interim, someone else in this unit will now have to do his job in addition to their own. Thus lowering the Combat efficiency of the unit. You can all think about that and ask yourself one question: "... Why should he ignore orders and think of himself first - why we have to take up the slack..." Because, in Combat, -the soldier that refuses to do his job gets others killed.
Just remember that "... Duty is the absence of self..."

Response by SGT Michael Amundson made May 30 at 2019 11:25 AM

SGT Michael Amundson — Thu, 30 May 2019 11:25:37 -0400

An reprimand in writing should change his behavior. If not an Article 15 in his military records will certainly get his attention.

Response by SR Mark Howard made May 30 at 2019 12:30 PM

SR Mark Howard — Thu, 30 May 2019 12:30:18 -0400

he would be subjected to the decision of the commander and made an example to his peers

Response by LCpl Mike Buck made May 30 at 2019 1:28 PM

LCpl Mike Buck — Thu, 30 May 2019 13:28:43 -0400

Excercise them till they comply !

Response by SFC Steven Howard made May 30 at 2019 4:36 PM

SFC Steven Howard — Thu, 30 May 2019 16:36:29 -0400

1. As the Senior Leader in the situation, don't be drawn into the punk's BS. Calm will win.
2. At first actual refusal by Pvt Snuffy, ask solider if he/she is disobeying a lawful order from an NCO.
3. My guess is Pvt will comply to directive. Prepare written counseling for Private, present prior to COB, same day, with Squad Leader present. Inform 1SG/Pltt. Sgt. of resolution. Regardless of compliance with original directive
If Pvt really derails, at step 3. it's into the office we go. Immediate written counseling statement with UCMJ action pending bullet point. Do this part correctly Leaders! JAG throws out lots of Art 15's because first line leaders don't get it right. This is a teachable moment for the next NCOPD/OPD.
This situation has/will happen to every leader in every branch at some point. Happened to me.

Response by 1SG Timothy Lincoln made May 30 at 2019 4:56 PM

1SG Timothy Lincoln — Thu, 30 May 2019 16:56:08 -0400

Lesson #1
You are in the motor pool on Friday, 1630 hours for closeout formation. Your platoon sergeant tells you to sweep the line prior to release. You salute him sharply, about face to your squad, and tell Jones to grab a broom and sweep the line. Jones says "nope, I wont do it" Jones, I'm giving you a lawful directive to sweep the line. Jones say no and you can't make me. So what, squad leader, do you do?
Two basic responsibilities for the NCO is the welfare of my soldiers and accomplishing the mission, remember....
Okay you say, Miller, grab the broom and sweep the line. Squad, you assist and when complete I'll see you for PT on Monday. Jones, my office now. We must discuss your behavior. of course you know the DA4856 and so on.....maybe a recommendation for a BAR or whatever. So....the line was swept. Mission accomplished. And you attempt to preserve Jones's record with discipline.
I hope my spelling is proper. I learned this a long time ago from an old CSM with like 33 years in our Army. So don't forget it troop. You can do both if you think before planting foot in ass! God bless the troopers.

Response by Sgt Ron Sprague made May 30 at 2019 5:35 PM

Sgt Ron Sprague — Thu, 30 May 2019 17:35:47 -0400

Insubordinate, should be dressed down by 1st. Sargent or officer in charge. Given extra duty and put on notice of future disablement if attitude does not improve.

Response by SFC William Bethea made May 30 at 2019 6:40 PM

SFC William Bethea — Thu, 30 May 2019 18:40:03 -0400

First I retired in 2013. When I was put in charge of a new section, I would wrestle the biggest soldier (all in fun). I had no issues losing skin on black top, my goal was winning. That set a standard for my toughness. Then I took a list of their issues and fixed what I could. I was hard on them and they knew it, but I was clear with what I expected of them. I set the example for them to follow, and took care of them when I could.

To the Pvt mouthing, I would have chewed and smoked the hole section. My section would correct him on their own. If that does not work then you counsel amd inform the individual of their failures.
Then last I checked, UCMJ states that you may physically aid a soldier to follow your orders. That does not mean beat them, be creative and teach a lesson.

Sadly in reallity, you have to counsel, counsel, counsel and pray officers follow through.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made May 31 at 2019 10:34 AM

Sgt Mike Jacobi — Fri, 31 May 2019 10:34:06 -0400

Things sure have changed since my military days. During early Vietnam era 62 to 66 The shithead at least would be assigned every crap detail I could find. And in between I would see he pulled Guard detail and got PTd damn near to death. If that didn’t straighten him out there was always arrival 15 or the stockade.

Response by CPT Robert Yurecka made Jun 1 at 2019 10:57 AM

CPT Robert Yurecka — Sat, 01 Jun 2019 10:57:27 -0400

Insubordination toward an office or NCO is an UCMJ article 15 offence. I feel there are a number of ways that this could be handles; straight away go the article 15 route, if this is a habitual response to an NCO or officer. Depending on the situation i.e. at first time offence, my preference would be first to handle a verbal reprimand in private or a written reprimand depending on the severity and lastly an article 15. I maybe over simplifying the process, I am just trying to make the point that insubordination cannot be tolerated.

Response by SGT Andrew Brooks made Jun 1 at 2019 4:24 PM

SGT Andrew Brooks — Sat, 01 Jun 2019 16:24:46 -0400

Staying in a cool but not icy detachment, I'd say "I'm not pissed, because it concerns me to see that some thing has so seriously upset you that you would risk arrest & losing all your pay for months by acting like this. You can throw away everything you went thru to get here, or you can step aside & tell me about it, see what I might find you to help. What'll it be?

Response by SGT Mustafa Stokely made Jun 1 at 2019 6:17 PM

SGT Mustafa Stokely — Sat, 01 Jun 2019 18:17:04 -0400

How I respond and what I do will largely depend on my own impression of the "fresh E2" in question. How has this soldier behaved in the recent past and is this in contradiction to his/her behavior today? Put simply, otherwise sound persons can have off days; especially if there have been recent family emergencies, problems with spouse, legal/financial problems, substance abuse, etc.

I would look for tell-tale signs, expressions, etc., to suggest high degree of stress; though this would be relatively short in duration. What about the general physical appearance of this soldier? Is he/she properly in uniform, taking "pride" in own appearance? Or is he/she disheveled, with questionable hygiene? Am I aware of mental illness on the part of this recruit? Is there potentially a physical cause to such behavior?

I don't want to give the wrong impression. Considerable amount of time was spent by trained professionals (DI's, etc.,) teaching this young E2 regarding the importance of discipline and the obeying of lawful orders. The problem isn't likely to be one of comprehension, but something that is more "personal."

Actual example: While serving as a Sergeant/E5, I knew a young man who was a fairly stand-up guy, but needed improvement in the maturity and "filtering" department. He was simple in his temperament and while he could be "smart" in often funny ways, he did what he was told and worked hard and diligently in the process. In time, and especially as he matured as a person, I felt he would make a fairly decent NCO. (Something I spoke to him about on more than few occasions.) I gave feedback (good or bad) in positive ways, basically trying to be a mentor.

In one way or another, this young E3 managed to get on the radar of a "difficult" Major, and to make matters worse, the Major had a somewhat volatile and abrasive personality/style and it just so happened that this particular E3 outright disliked the Major (along with most everyone else who was familiar with the Major!)

One particular day, hearing loud conversation and shouting coming from a large office area, I immediately walked in, (after all, this is what we NCO's do!) There was the young PFC standing there, towering over the Major, while the Major was shouting at him, asking him if he was refusing to obey a direct order! From the facial expressions of the young E3, I could see that he was fairly stressed and was getting angry to boot. I immediately shouted, "PFC ------- Come to attention!" (My reasoning was that this was especially an NCO matter and one that could easily be corrected without ruining the potential career of a young recruit.)

Immediately the young PFC came to attention and became quiet. Well, this made me a proverbial lightning-rod for the Major's anger and he immediately began to hammer on me! I came to attention myself, as I gave a hard look at the PFC. (The young PFC understood what I was doing and changed his demeanor immediately.) I simply took what the Major was dishing out and when asked why I had interfered, I simply replied calmly that I was doing my job as an NCO.

I'm not sure how long the shouting by the Major continued, but he eventually grew tired and walked away, but not before telling me that I was in serious trouble! I had to meet with our Colonel, and the Sergeant Major, and gave them my impression of what was taking place and why I stepped in to stop the train-wreck, before a young man's career could be derailed. Both were aware of the somewhat "challenging" demeanor of the Major and they knew the young man in question as well. I was told that there was no harm in an NCO trying to do his duty and that they would have a "talk" with the Major and to just stay out of his way for the next week-or-two...

This was the end of the matter and I definitely had a "talk" with the PFC in question. On the positive side, the incidence served as a wake-up call for the PFC and he was more mature as a consequence. He sincerely apologized to me and told me that he was scared that I would get "busted down," due to his ignorance. (I gave him the same spiel I got about staying out of the Majors way and he promised he would do much better from that point on.) As for the other officers and NCO's, they seemed very sympathetic and would even tease me about the incidence, from time-to-time...

I guess what I am saying is that how we react and what we do when faced with insubordination likely involves many variables and we should be careful in general not to needlessly ruin a young persons career when there MAY be understandable "causes" for such behavior to begin with. On the other hand, if the person was always difficult in his/her behavior, ultimately he./she has to decide what outcome is more desirable, do as told or an Article 15 (and possibly a dishonorable discharge down the line!)

Such discretion was often utilized by the nations law enforcement officers some decades back, and likely helped to save the future of many "situationaly-stupid" young kids.

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Jun 1 at 2019 7:10 PM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Sat, 01 Jun 2019 19:10:37 -0400

Tell him he should have joined the Airforce. The rest of the military has obey commands or suffer the consequences.!

Response by PFC Elmer Hawbaker made Jun 2 at 2019 11:51 AM

PFC Elmer Hawbaker — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 11:51:52 -0400

Well, I was in the U.S. Army back in 1955 - 58 and I NEVER heard any of our low ranking guys ever question the authority or refuse an order from our NCO’s or even just a grade above them. Also, back then, an E2 was just one grade BELOW a Pfc. Things certainly must have changed in our Military in the last 60 plus years.

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Jun 2 at 2019 4:19 PM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 16:19:46 -0400

To be honest, I never had that problem during my active duty; if my corpsmen got a bit out of line, I took them aside and had a "chat" with them in private, and the problem was resolved. However, that was 50 yrs ago and a DIFFERENT caliber of young men and women. Today's kids are so generally raised to believe they rule that it would be an entirely different situation. I honestly don't know how you'd deal with it without some seriously punitive action.

Response by LCpl Mike Zacher made Jun 2 at 2019 4:25 PM

LCpl Mike Zacher — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 16:25:00 -0400

simple.. 10 count pushups. put a coin under his nose. when the coin went under water. he could stop. or switch pushup. 8 count body builders. or switch to fludder kicks.. I was in Reon. Grunts handle their own.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2019 5:18 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 17:18:48 -0400

Here we go, based on past experience, "Everyone fall out, minus the doofus who just exhibited sheer stupidity in this formation". I've had my fair share of learning compassion for others, but you must uphold your authority at all times. I usually win their heart over after the extra duty earned and they become much better soldiers after the disciplinary actions that follow. I made my own share of mistakes as a private. Let's promote success and not failure and build a very strong unified team, but God forbid after you shit in your pants and learn from your mistakes. ;-)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2019 5:29 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 17:29:28 -0400

I’m confused as to if this is a serious question? Seems straight forward between 1 of 2 options. 1. Smoke him/her. Or 2. Counsel the individual for disrespect let the soldier understand that they joined the army. In the army it’s rgr, tracking, I’ll get it done. People tend to straighten up when they start having time taken away and if they don’t then it’s a fast track out of the army.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Jun 2 at 2019 10:55 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Sun, 02 Jun 2019 22:55:35 -0400

All this calmly discuss, praise in public, correct in private is pure, unadulterated nonsense. Insubordination in formation ain't something to accept. I don't give a fat rats ass if his whole family just up and died, this little fucker is going down in flames, right out in front of God and everybody.
Step 1. In a loud, clear voice, say the following: You must be out of your rabid assed mind. I hope you heal quick, because I'm gonna rip your spine out through your mouth.
Step 2. Proceed to make the rest of his tenure in my Army short and completely miserable.
Step 3. Ask who's next?

Response by Sgt James Gross made Jun 3 at 2019 12:45 AM

Sgt James Gross — Mon, 03 Jun 2019 00:45:02 -0400

I would tell him he either obeys the order or I will write him up for insubordination, he has his choice. I witnessed an Airman in my last Squadron smart off with a Major. He didn't stay around very long.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2019 7:24 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 03 Jun 2019 07:24:39 -0400

Initiate discharge proceedings immediately. Ain’t no body got time for this nonsense. He has obviously been to basic and AIT so he knows the rules. Put him out. Someone is in line waiting to take his place.

Response by SCPO Carl Wayne Boss made Jun 3 at 2019 11:51 PM

SCPO Carl Wayne Boss — Mon, 03 Jun 2019 23:51:31 -0400

Simple,
1. I remove the Troop that can't control His Mouth from Formation, and put Him off to the side, possibly giving him something to do which keeps him occupied (push-ups, climbing a rope or a pole or something similar that will work toward getting Him winded and there fore occupy His mouth) while I complete giving assignments to the rest of the Crew.

2. Then I'd dismiss the remainder of the Formation to go about the Tasks they've been assigned, then turn My full attention to the "Loud Mouth". First I'd give him the most difficult and arduous chore I could come up with, in addition the that which I'd already assigned Him. If He objected again, I'd assign Him yet another task, until the objections cease.

3. If the objections don't cease, I'd find yet another form of "Physical Motivation" to occupy Him and His Mouth, until He choses to "Comply" with the Instructions He's been given. When He complies, He is rewarded with nourishment & perhaps a few minutes of rest, relaxation and maybe even some sleep.

Gunny Sgt. Pepper's Statement is also correct, either "The Mouth" complies or He receives a One Way Ticket back to Mommy & Daddy, so they can attempt to Correct what they have created!

Response by SPC Seany Weaver made Jun 4 at 2019 6:28 AM

SPC Seany Weaver — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 06:28:36 -0400

What happened to our military that this pos E2 is still breathing. Chapter his ass out.

Response by SSgt Alfredo Kirton made Jun 4 at 2019 6:28 PM

SSgt Alfredo Kirton — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 18:28:16 -0400

Advised of the consequences of violating a direct order.

Response by SSG James N. made Jun 4 at 2019 7:01 PM

SSG James N. — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 19:01:53 -0400

Pvt Shitbird, TL, SQ, stand fast. To SQ separately:
Please explain to the TL why this will not be tolerated and how to react next time they see it. Please make sure this fucktard spend a few minutes in the whiskey locker with his team and squad. When he's learned the level of his mistake, make sure he knows how to act. Also, get with your other SQ's and make sure duty SQ for the day is ready to take over at 12 so the rest of us can zonk for the day.

Response by PFC Brian Hoyt made Jun 4 at 2019 7:11 PM

PFC Brian Hoyt — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 19:11:46 -0400

Ok for a month.

Response by PFC Brian Hoyt made Jun 4 at 2019 7:12 PM

PFC Brian Hoyt — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 19:12:26 -0400

KP for a month.

Response by SPC Brent Jackson made Jun 4 at 2019 10:10 PM

SPC Brent Jackson — Tue, 04 Jun 2019 22:10:10 -0400

Man if I had done anything like that as a private I would have been smoked to near death and probably would have had details out the ass along with being made and example of which is probably what that turd needed.

Response by TSgt Gary McPherson made Jun 5 at 2019 8:51 PM

TSgt Gary McPherson — Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:51:52 -0400

If it was while I was still a Marine.it would have been the fastest Captain Mast around after charges filed with the CO..

Response by SSG Herman Bauman made Jun 5 at 2019 10:34 PM

SSG Herman Bauman — Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:34:17 -0400

I had a black Pvt in Korea that every time I told him to do something He would tell me "You just wait till the revolution, you'll get yours.
What really irritates me now is that he is eligible for Veterans benefits.

Response by PO2 Keith Morgan made Jun 6 at 2019 10:57 AM

PO2 Keith Morgan — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 10:57:08 -0400

While in the Navy in the mid 1960s I saw an E3 decide he'd had enough military discipline and wanted to get kicked out. He refused to get out of his rack one morning. First his CPO was called, who told him to get his ass out of the rack, answered with "fuck you". Then the OOD was called, repeated the order. Same response. About half an hour later the base MPs (marines) showed up. They helped him out of his rack. In the process he slipped and banged up his head. Three or four times. Then he slipped again and bruised his ribs. He finally got his BCD a couple months later after a nice recuperation period in the base brig, being guarded by more helpful, friendly jarheads who were happy to lend a hand any time he slipped and fell down.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Jun 6 at 2019 1:07 PM

PO2 Paul Dempsey — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 13:07:39 -0400

Dismiss everyone else except him and his department head. Excuse me I'm navy. Than set him straight. He can either enjoy his tour and move up in rank and enjoy the privilege that comes with rank or he can spend the rest of his enlistment holding the shit end of the stick

Response by PO2 J Howard made Jun 6 at 2019 1:17 PM

PO2 J Howard — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 13:17:27 -0400

For such blatant disrespect and disobedience, I would put him on report for NJP. It is better to learn sooner than later. If it were something more minor, it could be dealt with without involving the chain of command.

Response by SGT Ed Walden made Jun 6 at 2019 1:35 PM

SGT Ed Walden — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 13:35:46 -0400

Back in the 90's in the 11 series we would have handled it one way. But you cant do those things anymore....

I think the best course of action is to send the others of to their assignments and get another NCO to sit in, as a witness, for serious counseling. Discuss the attitude, the effect it has on the rest of the Sqd/Section, expected behaviors and a corrective training plan. Mostly find the "Why" of the behavior as well as disseminating the attitude and behavior up the NCO support channel so that the Platoon Sergeant and PL are aware of it.

Response by PV2 Edwin Tompkins made Jun 6 at 2019 5:51 PM

PV2 Edwin Tompkins — Thu, 06 Jun 2019 17:51:43 -0400

Article 15

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Jun 7 at 2019 4:33 PM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:33:40 -0400

I learned in "BASIC TRAINING" the word NO is not an option! He would have been standing in the position of attention in the CO's office while it was described to him the AR-15 and his 14/14 extra duty and restriction. We have a new "softer"version of the military and it don't work!!! light his butt up!!!

Response by SrA Brett Stratton made Jun 9 at 2019 4:40 PM

SrA Brett Stratton — Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:40:34 -0400

One chance and one warning. Disobeying a direct order will lead to severe consequences. They are not at Starbucks. They are not Burger King. You CAN"T have it your way. You are in the military and you WILL do what you're told. When I was in Basic, disobedience to that level would lead to an Article 15. IN my opinion and equally sever punishment must follow for them to understand how damaging it would be not to their military career, but your life. A Dishonorable Discharge follows you for life and can destroy said life. All because you wanted to act the part. Ask yourself if your ego is worth that level of destruction.

Response by PO1 Paul Godfrey made Jun 9 at 2019 9:48 PM

PO1 Paul Godfrey — Sun, 09 Jun 2019 21:48:00 -0400

I strongly agree this lower grade person has to understand the chain of command, in a private location explain this to him the way it's going to be. Then you should kick his ass until his nose bleeds! They may not like you but they will respect you. This may not be politically correct for today's Navy but if you don't handle it quick and fast then maybe your the one that should not reenlist.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jun 30 at 2019 1:32 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 01:32:55 -0400

fuck his life up! then find out why he's bleeding from eating a tree...

Response by PV2 Duane Schlender made Jun 30 at 2019 6:20 PM

PV2 Duane Schlender — Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:20:10 -0400

I think, what I would do, is this (and keep in mind, that I have never had command experience, nor am I much of a leader...) :

I view this from the perspective of being a member of a team, morale, and discipline.

Being the type of person I am, I would turn the formation and request the other soldiers one by one answer what they think is wrong here and what should be done.
I would then, ask the smart mouth what HE thinks I should do (expecting a fresh batch of verbiage). After this, I would confine the soldier to quarters, write up an article 15, and discuss the matter with other NCO's if not Officers on the basis of conduct unbecoming, morale, etc. and find out if the soldier has any personal issues making him/her act out of line before fully submitting the article 15.

My reply is beyond sketchy.. but i wanted to give an answer and be criticized on it. I never got to be in ANY lead role in the Army, and I wonder if I would ever be any good at it..

Response by 1SG Gilbert Magallanez made Jul 12 at 2019 5:53 PM

1SG Gilbert Magallanez — Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:53:13 -0400

Stick my foot up his ass. Did it many times while servicing 1976-1999. The issues of today are due to the spineless CSMs.

Response by SGT Jack Baxter made Jul 22 at 2019 6:25 PM

SGT Jack Baxter — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:25:54 -0400

Just reading this clear act of insubordination causes me to melt down. Granted it’s been years since I served in the Army (1964-67). I’m now a senior but I just can not imagine refusing an assignment from a superior let alone tellingly them to shove it. How would this Private act during a combat situation?

After reading this and other stories from whining troops I just shake my head in disgust. Today’s politically correct, kinder and gentler military needs to shape up and get back to basics, which is combat readiness, accomplishing the mission assigned, discipline esprit de corps.

You are not in the Girl Scouts people you are in the military service. You enlisted. Shut up, follow orders, work hard and learn all you can as if your life depended on it. Because it does.

Response by SFC Cheri Kelley Miller made Jul 24 at 2019 8:34 AM

SFC Cheri Kelley Miller — Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:34:20 -0400

While I agree with the term praise in public punish in private, an example must be set. Stand your ground. As an NCO WE are the backbone of the Army. We know our soldiers... that being said. I would go back to the front of formation and address the entire group. Explain to them that when a task is being it will be done, (I'm in the army so I will use that as an example) we are in the Army and are here on a voluntary basis. Our predecessors did not have that option (join or go to jail) when you choose to not follow orders you are choosing the fate of your career. I have been tasked with delegating assignments and will assign them accordingly. Look directly at the idiot that feels the need to mouth off and say "as a PV2 that has been in the Army for less a year (compared my multiple years of experience and service), if you feel you can do a better job, then why don't you come up here and do so. I will be happy to give you may rank, title and everything that goes with it. Now that being said if a direct is order is giving to you your job is to follow it. If you have an issue with it take it up with your first line later. Last I checked it says US Army over my heart, you volunteer to be here , meaning we all have jobs to do. If you don't want to be here then I will be happy to bring you up the chain of command and "request discharge" and smile politely. Now you were given your walking orders when I give word you will move out and do as ordered. PV2, you and your 1st line will stand fast and we will be taking this matter up directly. Failure to comply with these orders will result in taking further actions. Have I made myself clear?

Have them fall out and go to an area so that you and the PV2 and first line can discuss the appropriate actions. A counseling statement for insubordination is your first course of action. Follow whatever steps necessary after that.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Jul 24 at 2019 10:49 AM

LTC George Morgan — Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:49:42 -0400

Assign the remainder to their duties, then take the offending soldier out and give him one hell of a beasting!

Response by SFC Michael W. made Jul 24 at 2019 11:35 AM

SFC Michael W. — Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:35:56 -0400

They?!?!
THEY would all be dealing with UCMJ actions, period. THEY would all be receiving extra duty, THEY would all be in front of the Chain of Command.

I know most subordinates would probably say "I don't really have anything on my collar to lose", but they forget the one thing you have plenty of...THEIR TIME to utilize from End-of-Day formation until 23:30 hrs once UCMJ is imposed.

However, there is one thing that is left out of this scenario...does this senior E5 goes out, drinks and party with these subordinates on a regular basis? If he does, then he's the Tip of the problem. If he's just a nice guy then he needs to grow a pair and use his Authoritative Command and Command of Execution...plain and simple.

Response by SP5 Kimber Rose made Jul 26 at 2019 3:34 PM

SP5 Kimber Rose — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:34:44 -0400

He [they] would't get off KP for a while.......MOS would change......Article 15.....Underseriable

Response by CPT Alvin Stephens made Jul 26 at 2019 7:22 PM

CPT Alvin Stephens — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:22:36 -0400

Using the chain of command, this individual must be quickly punished for insubordination, to include extra duty and restriction

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Jul 26 at 2019 10:34 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:34:22 -0400

Simple. EMI (Extra Military Instruction. If they still have such a thing). In other words, shitbird duty.

Response by LTC Charles Lauderdale made Jul 27 at 2019 1:04 AM

LTC Charles Lauderdale — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 01:04:14 -0400

You know you are asking this question of an old vet who took basic in 1960, Right? Have any of you young guys ever heard of a blue room? When you find out what a blue room is/was you will know that the next time I need something done I will stand real close to that E-2 and ask for volunteers. Want to bet a picture of beer he volunteers within a matter of seconds? I did have a guy refuse to stand a listening post one night in Vietnam. He told me that Jesus told him to quit fighting. I told him to get Jesus to stand the post with him or go to jail. He got four years in Leavenworth. Don't know if Jesus visited him. Soldier/Cop/Grunt, Retired

Response by SPC Jay Crawford made Jul 27 at 2019 1:56 PM

SPC Jay Crawford — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 13:56:07 -0400

Article 15. Recommendation for reduction to E-1.

Response by Brian Sylvester made Jul 27 at 2019 4:40 PM

Brian Sylvester — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:40:21 -0400

Find out why this is happening. Could be a leadership issue. Most want to do what is right but toxic command climates can create issues. Counsel and figure out what's going on. Could be a safety related issue. I witnessed leaders tell soldiers to operate tactical vehicles without proper training. Very bad

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2019 11:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 23:33:50 -0400

LMFAO

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Jul 28 at 2019 11:32 AM

SFC Tom Crenshaw — Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:32:59 -0400

You will do it, that's my choice. With or without pay is your choice.

Response by SGT Daniel Durkovich made Jul 28 at 2019 1:35 PM

SGT Daniel Durkovich — Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:35:16 -0400

Dismiss the formation. PV2 gets into PT gear because obviously they need some energy worked out for at least 8 hours. Babysitting is our job!

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made Jul 29 at 2019 10:21 AM

Sgt Ivan Boatwright — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:21:56 -0400

IN 1964, I WOULD HAVE KNOCKED HIM DOWN AND EARNED HIS FEAR, IF NOT RESPECT. IN COMBAT IN THE LATER 60'S I SAW PEOPLE FOLLOW ORDERS BECAUSE THEY WERE TAUGHT A SARGENT WAS GOD. I PERSONALLY SAW LIVES SAVED BECAUSE OF THAT. TODAY, BRING THEM UP ON CHARGES OR RIST LOST OF RESPECT BY THE OTHER MEN. BRIG TIME MAY NOT WORK BUT THEY KNOW WHERE THEY STAND. IN COMBAT KILL THEM BEFORE YOU AND OTHERS ARE KILLED. I WAS NOT A LIFER BUT SERVED IN NAM FROM JUNE 65 -APRIL 68. I LEFT BECAUSE I WAS TIRED OF KILLING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY.

Response by CPL Tom Walker made Jul 29 at 2019 4:39 PM

CPL Tom Walker — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:39:31 -0400

Article 15 seems warranted to me. I like Gunny's dress down too, but think an Article 15 might more tangibly amplify the point.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Jul 29 at 2019 4:50 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:50:09 -0400

I would find the nastiest painful work detail and put them on it, and I would have made an example of them and give the rest of the formation something to think about. Their is no explaining what is expected of them. They learned that in Boot Camp. Back then we didn't give people discharges to people who decided that was a way to get out of the service. They served their time in the brig. I was in the Corp from 59-63 We had a lot experienced NCO,s from WWII and Korea back Then Semper Fi.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2019 2:30 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:30:40 -0400

Invent time machine, then return to the time where your actions or words led to that PV2 feeling comfortable or confident enough to do that.
Granted, a Soldier could decide they didnt want to be in anymore, and could be deliberately seeking to begin the painful process of getting chaptered, but my experience is they chose someone other than an NCO that they respect to act out on.
Also, since you stated fresh PV2, it's possible that the Soldier has been failed by NCOs in the IET environment, so I would grant a significant emotional event. If that failed, memorialize it in writing with a plan to assist the Soldier overcome the deficiency.

Response by SPC LInda Stanhope-McAdams made Jul 30 at 2019 2:51 PM

SPC LInda Stanhope-McAdams — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:51:03 -0400

Total insubordination. Apparently, he didn't learn any military rules in Basic Training.

Response by SGT Mary Martel made Jul 30 at 2019 8:58 PM

SGT Mary Martel — Tue, 30 Jul 2019 20:58:22 -0400

That little mofo can push until his mouth isn't running anymore...

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2019 5:39 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 05:39:31 -0400

I'm a little late to this party, but, here's my thoughts: Very rarely does the standard slip with just one member of a platoon. That's all this is, is a slip in where the standard is thought to be at, so all we have to do is put the standard for the platoon back where it needs to be. And the very first place that the standard normally slips, is in the barracks. (You didn't state whether they were remarried, so I'd assume they live there). So, what I,d do is. make an on the spot correction of the PFC. I publicly put them on blast. Regardless of what's happening at home, you're a Sgt, you either command respect or get busted down to where you belong. So, blast them, in front of the whole platoon. Once the platoon is dismissed, grab his corporal, have his corporal talk to him to make sure there's nothing weird, ie, getting cheated on, death in the family, etc, and report that directly to you. Regardless of the answer, either take care of his personal situation if there is one, or just act like nothing happened at all. Then, it's Thursday now. Field day. So, at the field day formation, once the company is dismissed, put the platoon in formation, at attention. Explain that in no uncertain terms, the standard has slipped in your platoon, and you are going to correct it. And carry out Chinese field day. Every piece of furniture is pulled out of the room and scrubbed till it's spotless. The room is scrubbed, until it's spotless. Then you inspect. Generally, the Marines that I already know are pretty squared away get off with a slightly lighter inspection, but pvt shitbag and all of his turd friends get the full on inspection. Any rooms with a hit, will be reinspected the next day after work, after a formation for just the failure turds. And you keep reinspecting them until the rooms all pass flawlessly. This makes the standard for conduct within the platoon very clear for all to see. H onestky not sure how you made it to senior E5 and can't deal with an e2

Response by LCpl Drew Watts made Jul 31 at 2019 7:57 PM

LCpl Drew Watts — Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:57:47 -0400

Asschewing with ninja chop hand in his face. If that doesnt work take him to the treeline for proper asswhouping? Is that still an option these days?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2019 11:57 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 11:57:44 -0400

Wouldn't be the first time I've heard or experienced that. My reaction is usually the same:
Pvt, are you really going to sit here, in front of your team/buddies/friends/colleagues/etc, and tell them and me that you think you're better than them and not only don't have to work, but that I should give them your share of the load? Are you, a pvt, also disobeying a direct order by superior? Are you, still a pvt, telling me that you think you've done enough in your 10 minute career to warrant being excused from the work that every other private in the history of (insert branch here) has had to do, myself included? Are you, once again still a pvt, telling me that you need to be chaptered out of the (insert branch here) for dereliction of duty and failure to adapt? Would you like to discuss your views on this matter with 1SG (or branch equivalent)?
When I start asking questions to blow holes in their extremely flawed logic and sense of entitlement, that usually creates a change of heart.
I had one incident where I took the rank off my chest and handed it to the individual. I informed him that since he believed us to be equal (in rank, not as human beings) that he should take it. He was visibly uncomfortable and started backpedaling very quickly.

Response by 1SG Mike Turnipseed made Aug 8 at 2019 11:28 PM

1SG Mike Turnipseed — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 23:28:26 -0400

I wouldn’t be posting it to social media looking for others “opinions”. As an NCO you get paid to LEAD. There will always be a smart mouthed kid trying to challenge your authority, regardless of your rank. Find a Senior NCO to model your reaction to these situations.

Response by SSG Michael Hurd made Aug 10 at 2019 12:15 PM

SSG Michael Hurd — Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:15:18 -0400

Intro him/her to wall-to-wall counseling

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 15 at 2019 11:23 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Thu, 15 Aug 2019 23:23:11 -0400

Stick to your guys-calmly tell them again! If they don't respond use the pen, which is mightier than the sword! Then meet with Squad Leader to further define expectations!

Response by SSG John Naquin made Aug 19 at 2019 9:36 PM

SSG John Naquin — Mon, 19 Aug 2019 21:36:23 -0400

Praise in public discipline in private. Have Soldier stand by after formation get to bottom of issue. Then get it in writing and ensure the punsihment goes with the crime

Response by MSgt Steven Harris made Aug 26 at 2019 2:49 AM

MSgt Steven Harris — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:49:01 -0400

You are the person in charge Sgt, a professional leader in this case. So you tell this unrespectful obvious dumbass "bad apple" to hold still while you finish with handing out the tasks to your troops! Your primary task is complete. Now you can deal with this disciplinary problem. Stay cool and bring the E2 to your office out of sight of the other troops. Now you can deal with his real issues toward respect for authority and taking orders. If there is a supervisor of this person, you include them in the reprimand actions. In no way would I let the subordinate dictate the situation or have chance to act in control. Have the person stand at attention the whole time and then read them the UCMJ that tells them that they have just committed a serious offense and can be punished by hard labor demoted or both even kicked out of the military! He may want you to kick him/her out, but that is not always best for military. So it is your job to restore order and regain his respect. How do you think you can do that is what leadership is all about! Use your head, not just anger like most bosses in military do! It is hard to do but it can turn a bad apple into to outstanding leaders. There are many examples in our corps that prove it! As a TSgt in AF, I was given a whole flight of unwanted misfits (young men & women ) like you described that nobody else wanted to deal with. I spoke to them each individually and asked them to explain their situation and how they got sent to my flight. I learned that many of them had authority issues and nobody really listened to them so they ranted to get attention and be noticed. Their supervisors took it as lazinessness, disrespect and unable to adapt t military standards. I saved six from getting disciplined and the others I helped out of the service for other reasons! Being professional and in control at all times as a person in charge, is very important with the types of troops we get from society today. They don't have one shred of self-discipline or self-control so we must teach it to them through making them part of the team, sometimes that takes having them do extra labor and exercises for acts of disobedience. My friend, an Army Ranger then AF MSgt had his mechanic troops & himself do army runs with packs and meet on weekends to clean-up the overdue mx on out of service generators by end of 6 months, he had the best maintenance flight in our unit. That was truly great leadership and team-building! They were the best at everything assigned them under his command! I tried to learn from his example and experience and now I passed on to you for good application and turning troops around!

Response by MAJ Mark Steskal made Aug 26 at 2019 10:54 AM

MAJ Mark Steskal — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:54:45 -0400

It depends on the era and the command climate. In the Days of Olde, there would have been immediate, physical corrective action of a personal nature directly between E-5 and E-2. Those days are long gone. One must be first, certain that the NCO will be backed by his superior Chan of command; and second within guidelines of policy. It is increasingly difficult to administer correction to an individual without escalating to some administrative action which does not allow for a change of heart in the offender (e.g. the replacement of a PT thrashing by an NCO for an Accidental Discharge with an administrative punnishment with brigade JAG approval for a 'Negligent Discharge in the Army).
Perhaps an approach of making the offender's entire squad or Fire Team perform some sort of additional training would bring peer pressure to bear, but beware the command climate. Even that can backfire.

Response by SFC John Armstrong made Aug 26 at 2019 12:38 PM

SFC John Armstrong — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 12:38:19 -0400

Put them in the front leaning rest position.. Make them remember the chain of command

Response by PO1 Lyndon Thomas made Aug 26 at 2019 1:05 PM

PO1 Lyndon Thomas — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:05:13 -0400

Okay everyone. we're all brothers in arms. Let's agree to disagree on this one. There are a lot of parameters not revealed here and let's be honest. As most of us would love to greet this recruits bad attitude with a swift and powerful boot to his rear. Times methods and meas of correction in the military have changed dramatically over the years. It is quite obvious this recruit saw something witnessed something in his leadership that led him/her to believe it was okay to do what he/her did. I have no doubt if we posed this question to 100 members from every branch, we'd get 100 different options from every branch. We are all trained experts in our respective fields and have a wealth of knowledge to lend especially in situations such as this. Truth is, we'd all take tremendous pleasure in strategically advancing boot to head on this disrespectful young lad. Leadership would have to be addressed first on this one! I've spent more than twenty (20) years in service and have served alongside Navy Marines Air Force security forces and Army Air Borne. I've never seen a good leader blatantly disrespected. It starts at the top, but the end results come from the bottom. As a ground troops leader, Ultimate responsibility begins and Ends with YOU.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Aug 26 at 2019 2:06 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:06:47 -0400

I would pull him out of formation.
Take him or her to the back of the formation.
Put them in the front leaning rest, and tell them not to move. Have his immediate supervisor stand next to him,Until you can come back after the formation.
Give them there work assignment again.
Ask them if they understand the instructions, Do they have any questions.
Then ask them if they know why they are in the push-up position.
If they do not. Enlighten them.
Inform them that they will be formerly counselled, More than likely be given a ARTICLE 15.
And after enough of them the separation paperwork will be started.
To put them out of the Military and they will not be eligible for any V.A. Benefits. Such as V.A. Medical College programs, And government jobs. If this person received a enlistment bonus That will be taken back.
That should straighten this person out.

Response by SPC Fred Scholl made Aug 28 at 2019 12:28 PM

SPC Fred Scholl — Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:28:46 -0400

The private E-2, soon to be E-1, should receive article 15, and every shit detail possibly for 30 days.

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Aug 29 at 2019 5:18 AM

PO1 David M Burns — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 05:18:24 -0400

I do not think that this would ever happen in the Marines! the rest, well you reap what you sow! all this mambey mambey shit and safe spaces produce these ki9nd of people.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 11:59 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 11:59:36 -0400

Politely invite him to handle the situation with me

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Aug 29 at 2019 8:03 PM

1SG James Kelly — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 20:03:18 -0400

Break him.

Response by CPT Lawrence Cichelli made Aug 30 at 2019 8:06 AM

CPT Lawrence Cichelli — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:06:10 -0400

I would remind the private that he/she has been given a lawful order and that a possible consequence of disobeying that lawful order could result in UCMJ action, namely article 15. If the SM still refused, well then I'd take this up with the 1SG for possible UCMJ. Also get with the PLT SGT for other details to put the SM on as well.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Aug 30 at 2019 9:09 AM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 09:09:00 -0400

If he isn't corrected at that time and corrected smartly...then they should exchange rank.

Response by CAPT John Kanne made Aug 30 at 2019 12:07 PM

CAPT John Kanne — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:07:21 -0400

wright the e2 up for disciplinary action probably culminating in a dishonorable discharge

Response by SFC Bryan Livasy made Aug 30 at 2019 4:45 PM

SFC Bryan Livasy — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 16:45:56 -0400

Know how it was handled in the 80s, ...course ya can't do that now

LOL

Response by MSG Jd Cotham made Aug 30 at 2019 7:15 PM

MSG Jd Cotham — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 19:15:58 -0400

I would jerk a knot in that retard’s ass so fast he would not know what hit him. That punk would not EVER act stupid again. Today’s kinder, gentler, and politicallly correct Army is bullshit.

Response by SGM Patrick Kirby made Aug 30 at 2019 9:06 PM

SGM Patrick Kirby — Fri, 30 Aug 2019 21:06:12 -0400

As a First Sergeant, that has never happened; Airborne Warriors don’t generally yank the First Sergeant’s chain. Should they, just a wonderful opportunity to give a leadership lesson , he/she would carry the guidon on our next mystery run.

Response by SGT Jd Cannon made Aug 31 at 2019 6:41 AM

SGT Jd Cannon — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 06:41:06 -0400

My 1st statement after their complaint would have been. “If you have an issue w my order, take it up with me after formation”. Now is not the appropriate time”.

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made Aug 31 at 2019 1:47 PM

SP6 Greg Jetter — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 13:47:09 -0400

Article 15 , captains mast , whatever your particular branch uses , take some of his pay away and confinement to base . If he gets worse talk to the commander about retraining , your post may have a re training confinement barracks or stockade. As a NCO I had to deal with this situation quite a few times , they allways work.

Response by SPC Edwin Franco made Sep 1 at 2019 3:06 AM

SPC Edwin Franco — Sun, 01 Sep 2019 03:06:01 -0400

Article 15 for insubordination,loss of rank,afterhours duty were some of the things used to fix any dumbass who disrespects his superiors when I was in
What's up with this being an issue?

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made Sep 1 at 2019 4:28 PM

Capt Wayne Burden — Sun, 01 Sep 2019 16:28:27 -0400

The E-2 in question needs a private “motivational” talk from the E-5, preferably out of earshot with other troops. His (or her) options need to be laid out. If this fails then a trip to the commander’s office (MY office) is their next destination. From there we can do a number of things... most likely non-judicial punishment would head the list. If that fails then JAG involvement would be needed for potential court martial proceedings. From there it might be some jail time with a dishonorable discharge. One thing for sure... this insubordination needs to be stopped dead in it’s tracks before it spreads.

Response by SGT Jason Keefer made Sep 2 at 2019 12:06 AM

SGT Jason Keefer — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 00:06:00 -0400

FRONT LEANING REST POSITION..... MOVE.

But, seriously, I'd hand off my section to the most senior E4 and PVT and I would be having a serious conversation about his future. He would then read about that conversation and sign for it. Document these cases early, so you can deal with them easier. The more documentation, the easier it is to push for NJP or Article.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Sep 2 at 2019 1:02 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 13:02:44 -0400

My first response would be:"WHO THE HELL YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO PRIVATE?!?!" Next response:" EXECUTE THE TASK I ASSIGNED YOU, OR FACE UCMJ ACTION!!!!

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Sep 2 at 2019 4:26 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 16:26:22 -0400

Give the Platoon Sergeant the look that says, you got this, and walk away.

Response by 1LT Mary Renzi made Sep 2 at 2019 11:01 PM

1LT Mary Renzi — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:01:31 -0400

Sounds like punishment is the answer. WTF is going on in the military today. We are more concerned about the rights of soldiers who want to change their gender.

Response by Sgt Abraham Marcos made Sep 3 at 2019 10:42 AM

Sgt Abraham Marcos — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 10:42:11 -0400

I would call in his whole squad and say congratulations gents. PFC Shithead has just volunteered your squad for two weeks of extra duty. Let the squad square this PFC away.

Response by SGT Jim Giffin made Sep 3 at 2019 1:51 PM

SGT Jim Giffin — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 13:51:31 -0400

Letter of reprimand in his file, followed by article 15 if problem persists followed by chapter out of service at third violation.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2019 4:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 16:44:58 -0400

End that silliness right now.

Take him and his team leader into the 1SG’s office posthaste and explain the error of his ways. If the CoC has your back, and I hope it does, there should be several options on the table for him, both career ruinous and non-ruinous.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2019 12:01 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Sep 2019 00:01:25 -0400

Well, 20 years he probably would have gotten drugged across the compound. In todays Army you would have to handle it a different. The action I would take is this, obviously this Soldier must have something going on in his personal life for him to act out like that. The fact that he did it in front of a formation in front of Soldiers can't be over looked, because Soldiers would try to do the same thing. So if PV2 Joe Snuffy is having personal problems I would try to assist him with that but at the same time counsel him and reduce his rank. Let him know to choose his next actions wisely because his next pen to paper will be recommending discharge. This way you are trying to help the Soldier but at the same time sending a message.

Response by MSgt Ken Flood made Sep 5 at 2019 1:11 AM

MSgt Ken Flood — Thu, 05 Sep 2019 01:11:22 -0400

Yes even in the AF in the 60s a old ass kicking was in order i got mine. Smart ass New Jersey punk in basin, real tough guy until a skinny little 5' E5 kicked my ass, no more smart ass answers from me all yes sir.

Response by PO3 Michael Wiedenhoeft-Wilder made Sep 5 at 2019 12:24 PM

PO3 Michael Wiedenhoeft-Wilder — Thu, 05 Sep 2019 12:24:57 -0400

The first thing I would do is ask the E-2 if everything is going well in his/her personal life. I would want to make sure there isn't something personal that is cause the backlash. If everything is going okay with them I would start order him/her to do extra duty until they understand the chain of command. I'd also remind him of what the legal consequences that will follow due to disrespect and refusal to follow direct orders.

Response by PO3 Jake Lucid made Sep 5 at 2019 2:33 PM

PO3 Jake Lucid — Thu, 05 Sep 2019 14:33:11 -0400

Having been a petty officer on a small vessel as well as larger multi unit facilities -
This don't fly. Merely punishing in private is a no go. some on getting into trouble out of formation off base etc deal with appropriately in an office. Blatant misconduct in front of others merits swift decisive correction. As an NCO what you permit you promote. Dress them down then and there. Point out the error there. Finish the formations proceedings and then pull them and their next superior aside. Hammer pfc for insubordination. Look to next senior over said pfc and have them detail said member. Make it obvious to those in formation that this is intolerable behavior. If you start rationalizing every pfc's or non-rates poor behavior it will spread.
I don't care if your wife slept with then killed your dog. You are a professional. So be one. If pfc had an issue with the assignment he should have acknowledged the assignment and after formation pulled the NCO aside and explain any grievance 1 on 1.

Response by MSG Wayne Allies made Sep 5 at 2019 4:23 PM

MSG Wayne Allies — Thu, 05 Sep 2019 16:23:42 -0400

This is clearly insubordination, and this E-2, should be recmmended to the Company Commander and the 1st Sergeant for a Article 15, as non-Judicial punishment. To include extra duty and money 1/2 months pay for 2 months.

Response by SGT James Taylor made Sep 9 at 2019 12:10 PM

SGT James Taylor — Mon, 09 Sep 2019 12:10:47 -0400

"Private, had I asked your opinion, I would have followed up with the opinion I wished you to have. Seeing as I did no such thing you currently have no opinion on the matter. Here is what I am ordering you to do without question or comment. Now MOVE!!" or "Private, Shut your mouth. I have chosen you to complete this task because everyone else has a task and I can't leave you alone for more than a second. When you are finished with said task you will report back to me to explain your insubordination in detail." I have personally used both of these with success. It is not necessary to raise your voice or yell. Talking back to any NCO or Officer when orders are being issued is not allowed, they are not part of some civilian company, they are a member in the US Military and fall under UCMJ. If they decide to take upon themselves the bad attitude and are not willing to explain themselves, that's fine. Pass them over when you are handing out daily tasks and have them wait. request a senior NCO to act as witness and higher authority,then lead the young service member to a nice patch of real estate, grass or sand is preferred, allow them to bitch gripe and moan to their hearts content as long as they follow your orders of physical exercise. Wash, spin, repeat. They will learn that you are in charge and your orders stand. It happens sometimes that the younger service members misplace their military bearing somewhere in their uniform, this is why they need to do a wide variety of exercises to ensure that this bearing can work it's way out of wherever it has become misplaced, it will fall down on the ground and they will find it and pick it up. If they have truly lost their military bearing then they have no place in the military and an immediate Chapter for failure to adapt should be begun, as long as they have not grossly destroyed any regulation requiring severe punishment.

Response by SGT Charles Butler made Sep 12 at 2019 12:21 AM

SGT Charles Butler — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 00:21:53 -0400

Bottom line, when discipline fails, so does the unit. This troopie refused orders in public, so his immediate reprimand must be in public. There will be time to suss out his individual situation and motivation later, when you are deciding whether to to pursue ART 15 with the Company Commander.

Response by SGT Charles Haney made Sep 12 at 2019 2:45 AM

SGT Charles Haney — Thu, 12 Sep 2019 02:45:14 -0400

Discipline

Response by SP5 Thomas Walters made Sep 17 at 2019 9:01 PM

SP5 Thomas Walters — Tue, 17 Sep 2019 21:01:00 -0400

Article 15 period the end!!!!

Response by Cpl James R. " Jim" Gossett Jr made Sep 24 at 2019 10:39 AM

Cpl James R. " Jim" Gossett Jr — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 10:39:09 -0400

Well, in the 60's and 70's in USMC...they would very Quickly Find out who is the Boss....

Response by SFC Steven Barry made Sep 24 at 2019 11:30 PM

SFC Steven Barry — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:30:58 -0400

The PVT would spend two weeks in the blunt trauma ward.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Sep 25 at 2019 11:58 AM

SGT Ronald Audas — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 11:58:17 -0400

My first duty after returning to the states in '68 was to go through the barracks and tell anyone l saw to go get a haircut. There were only about 15 still in company. These were all returning Vietnam and Korea veterans.The reason they were still hanging around the barracks,is they were too short to be training.Can't remember all the things I was told to kiss.Finally realized the CO had a great sense of humor.I just shrugged off their failure to follow orders.

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Sep 29 at 2019 10:27 PM

LTC Ken Connolly — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:27:44 -0400

Maybe too much fraternizing with the lower enlisted. I had a Plt Sgt., who kept trying to make time w/ this private. The First Sgt cautioned him about it. Not long afterwards, the Sgt was organizing a detail and the private laughed at him. I immediately replaced the Plt. Sgt. right in formation.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Oct 2 at 2019 9:58 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Wed, 02 Oct 2019 21:58:02 -0400

It is time for their first write up. When they realize when they sign up, they sign up to go for the whole lot then they will have to shut up and put up. This is the army not a civilian job. A write up is better then an article 15 though.

Response by SSG Kenneth Ponder made Oct 7 at 2019 2:12 PM

SSG Kenneth Ponder — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 14:12:15 -0400

Depends on the witnesses.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Oct 13 at 2019 6:56 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 18:56:44 -0400

Without going into detail, I would stomp a mudhole in his ass and wade it dry.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2019 5:10 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:10:29 -0400

If a junior Private First Class told me a Senior Marine NCO with +5 years under my belt in my formation that he wouldn’t do the tasks that I had assigned him. I would immediately have him and his squad leader report to the rear of my formation at attention until I’m done with my formation. I would definitely correct his demeanor immediately after, then I’d inform his squad leader and that Marine PFC that he is responsible for making sure my assigned task to his junior PFC is understood and carried out and completed as ordered. Now I can’t say anything about the other branch of services, but In the Marine Corps we have NCO’S and sometimes Junior NCO’s that are Squad Leaders. Lance Corporals are usually the Fire Team Leaders. Experience plays a big part in how you react to the situation. I’ve been a Platoon Sergeant, Company Gunnery Sergeant, and a Platoon Commander during my career and I never had a situation that you brought up during my time. Senior Sergeants have much more important things to deal with than a Private First Class with less than a year in the Marine Corps.
Semper Fidelis! PO1 George Martin. Happy birthday to Our Sailors in the United States Navy.

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made Oct 14 at 2019 9:55 AM

SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:55:03 -0400

In basic in Ft. Bliss (Blister) there was a unit known as "MAU," or Military Adjustment Unit. This is where the troublesome privates went during basic to get their "heads and mind" right. In Europe there was CCF or Correctional Custody Facility where soldiers were sent who misbehaved during deployment. It's a totally different army now and it has gotten WAY to soft on new recruits. Fail to follow an order in a hostile situation and people can die end of story!!! Give them one chance and if they fail to comply give them a DD on their DD-214 and introduce them to the world and the work force. JMO!!

Response by CPL William Spence made Oct 14 at 2019 4:10 PM

CPL William Spence — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:10:41 -0400

I think Gunny in the Full Metal Jacket approach. Gets the point across of who is in-charge. He definitely didn't learn in Basic Training.

Response by Paul Piper made Oct 14 at 2019 5:21 PM

Paul Piper — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 17:21:27 -0400

Smile at them and Say. Okay. I will give it to someone else. Then do not acknowledge that person until he notices. Then ignore him some more. He will get the message and never complain again. There is nothing like being left out. Horrible feeling.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Oct 14 at 2019 8:35 PM

SPC Robert Bobo — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:35:52 -0400

He would need to be squared away immediately and back when I was in, he would have experienced additional disciplinary action if this had occurred on prior occasions, there were a couple that just kept up the extreme public insubordination and both recieved " Tune Ups" from several sr members of the platoon , after which all the insubordination stopped and never occurred again

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2019 6:33 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:33:34 -0400

Tell him to report to your office, write him up for disrespect and make him a PVT. This kinder and gentler Army makes it hard to discipline Soldiers, your only course of action is to take his money and if it keeps going his career.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Oct 16 at 2019 4:39 PM

Sgt James Gross — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:39:04 -0400

I would pull the E2 aside after formation and tell him either do what you are ordered to do, or face and article 15 for the first time and if repeated then go for charge of insubordination and courts martial after forwarding my report to my Commanding Officer. Either way he will be an example of what not to do when given orders to do work.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Oct 16 at 2019 4:44 PM

Sgt James Gross — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:44:38 -0400

I would pull the E2 aside after formation with a witness to the conversation and tell the E2 either he does as ordered or face an Article 15 at the CO's discretion for the first offense and if he wants to repeat his continue with his insubordination then face a Courts Martial for the second offense after my report goes to the CO. Either way he will be an example of what not to do when he ordered to carry out an assignment.

Response by SFC Joe Pilgrim made Oct 17 at 2019 12:49 AM

SFC Joe Pilgrim — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:49:05 -0400

I would fall on the ground laughing.The whole platoon would see me laughing but after catching my breath I would say"let's talk".I would take him somewhere and see if he wanted a military career or he wanted trouble. I would gladly help him either way.That being said I never had that problem during my fifteen years as a NCO.

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Oct 18 at 2019 12:01 AM

SGT Robert Martin — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 00:01:49 -0400

Well, still trying to wrap my mind around this. Maybe, just maybe, I should check with my NCOIC. This issue should absolutely be handled swiftly, and in the open. If I was in the E5 position, well not sure that's allowed now days, but I can say this skitter wing would be motivated.

Response by SSgt William Self made Oct 18 at 2019 12:02 AM

SSgt William Self — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 00:02:18 -0400

As a matter of fact----step back in time to 1969. The military started pushing the all volunteer force coming soon. I was E-5 and crew chief on mid shift one night. We had an IG Inspection coming through in the morning. At 4:00 am I went to the break room where an E-2 was on break. He was sleeping. Not authorized activity. I told him to get up and buff the hallways for the Inspection coming through in the morning. He refused. I could not make him get up and buff the hallways. I put him on report expecting him to at least receive an Article 15. Three days later we were on day shift. The Commander called us both into his office. The Commander slapped the kid on the wrist and dismissed us. As we were leaving he said, "Sgt. Self, stand back!" I returned to his desk and he chewed me out. Told me if we are to get these young people to reenlist we were going to have to ease up on them. Standing before his desk, I made the decision to get out at the end of my next enlistment. And I did. I wonder if the commander got the negative attitude to reenlist and which one of us he would rather have had.

Response by SGT Charles Derouen-Kately made Oct 18 at 2019 12:43 AM

SGT Charles Derouen-Kately — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 00:43:18 -0400

On spot correction or mass punishment While the E-2 is Infront of the formation. The old way!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2019 7:33 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 07:33:34 -0400

I give him a counselling and remind him that failure to follow lawful orders will result in outprocessing. I give his tasks for the WEEK to his teammates and force him to shadow them as they do both their own job AND his! His persiective will change faster than he can say "yes Sergeant"!

Response by SFC Charlie Broadus II made Oct 18 at 2019 5:56 PM

SFC Charlie Broadus II — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:56:05 -0400

OMG!!! I would go postal, He would be on every shit detail I could find and hope he give me a reason to write him up, he would never see E-3 and dread the day he disrespected me

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2019 11:31 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:31:12 -0400

I miss the days when this kind of behavior occurred, you would "invite" the young misguided soul to the rear of the nearest structure and practice your heavy bag skills (it wasn't personal, just business). Unfortunately we have become a kinder and gentler military, and we don't receive the support from the person who has the NJP authority when they say, that the young malifactor should get a second,third, fourth and so on chance. The military had become a social experiment and I just don't know how we as professional (Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors) can correct that.

Response by SSG Cameron Henson made Oct 19 at 2019 12:47 PM

SSG Cameron Henson — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:47:19 -0400

How do you graduate from BCT/AIT lacking in military bearing? Remedial training is required, ASAP.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Oct 20 at 2019 12:58 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:58:37 -0400

Well you have three options here.

The FIRST thing i would do regardless of the the other three are push ups as an on the spot correction. And if he refused to do that I would immediately go to option number 2.

Option 1. smoke session, after hours.

Option 2. Formal counseling, and smoke session after hours.

Option 3. Article 15 disrespect to an NCO, and Violation of a lawful order (1 count for refusing the assignment, 2 if he refused the push ups).

I would also counsel the soldier informally, to see where he stands. If he is flippant in the counseling session I would make it a formal counseling session. I would also immediately log the insubordination in a log book (you will need this later).

There are three things that could be happening here:

1. The Soldier is not used to Garrison life, because he just came off AIT, and he may be a little burnt out. This happens, it happened tome in the Navy my A School was 9 months long, then i had 10 weeks of fligth crew training. It took me about 6 months to relax from the training environment, which was very hard on me, because I had A LOT of issues when i first joined the Navy.

2. He is feeling out the waters, trying to see if he can walk all over you, and he may not be fully aware of what is going to happen to him. He may not understand that he has violated the UCMJ, and what those punishments can be. That is why I would counsel him informally. Explain to him that an Article 15 can result in confinement up to 30 days, loss of rank, and a fine of half his pay for 6 months. And that further disobedience can lead to a Bad Conduct Discharge, and that this is his first strike in that regard.

3. He may have decided Army life is not for him, and as such he may be looking to get discharged. He may be a barracks lawyer, and think he is going to get off with an administrative separation and an other than honorable. I would NOT let this happen. He signed the papers, he asked to be there, and now he wants to go home? I would send him home with a Big Chicken Dinner.

I would check with legal, i am not sure exactly what has to happen but i think two or more article 15's in the space of 6 months can be used as a BCD. I would definitely document everything disrespect, refusal to obey, and lack of performance; this is going to be very important too, as there is a malingering charge in the last article of the UCMJ. And then I would article 15 him the two times, and then on his third infraction and I would court martial him, and give him the BCD.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Oct 20 at 2019 1:39 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 13:39:34 -0400

LMAO...…"Corner Patrol". A friend of mine used this with some of his more "stubborn" cases. He would place the offender in a corner, facing inward. Their choices were to watch the corner or report to the Master At Arms. No movement or talking They were not required to stand at attention, but they were to remain standing. He would place a sign next to them with the words, "For information regarding this individual contact ********** Do not speak to or approach." He would simply tell them "When you're ready to act like a useful person, let me know." He would walk by once an hour and ask them if they were ready yet. It seldom took very long. Only one time did an Officer ever inquire about it. After that they were very careful to "Not see" the few times he used this approach.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Oct 21 at 2019 8:17 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:17:35 -0400

This is a situation that demands low fragmentation damage. PLT SGT." SQD LDR remove the PVT from the formation and escort him to the Orderly Room I will be right behind you." Pass out the rest of the jobs and information. Move to the Orderly Room. Discuss it with SQD LDR and Soldier, tell both what you think should be done for the violation My recommendation would be UCMJ, Ask the SQD LDR what their Recommendations are, Move forward to paperwork if needed. (Counseling as a minimum) Never have this kind of chat without counseling Paper work good or bad. Go Back to work. If you made it through BCT. You know better than that type of conduct. Just my thoughts.

Response by PO2 Eugene Davis made Oct 22 at 2019 2:30 PM

PO2 Eugene Davis — Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:30:17 -0400

Up the chain of command

Response by MSG James Devereaux made Oct 28 at 2019 12:17 AM

MSG James Devereaux — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:17:43 -0400

It would never happen and didn’t in 21 years.

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made Oct 28 at 2019 1:38 PM

Capt Wayne Burden — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:38:25 -0400

You make them into an E-1 with your commander’s help... that should do the trick.

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Nov 11 at 2019 1:47 PM

COL Victor Hagan — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:47:58 -0500

I think you mean PVT (E1) Smart Mouth who will find himself short 7 days pay at the end of the month and very busy after normal duty hours for the next 14 days. If there was something going on that I was unaware of my 1SG will let me know so "WE" can get him whatever assistance needed while he serves his punishment. But those junior leaders represent me and they will not be disrespected.

Response by LCpl Dennis Patterson made Nov 15 at 2019 8:48 PM

LCpl Dennis Patterson — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 20:48:39 -0500

As a former platoon sergeant of many years I would have slugged a son of a bitch in the stomach if it can't take that shouldn't be there

Response by SGT Katherine Gosnell made Nov 19 at 2019 9:59 AM

SGT Katherine Gosnell — Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:59:24 -0500

After the remark is made ,oh ok you stand right there once formation has been released.
This soldier would be my shadow until I got tired of it three weeks a month two months what ever it took.
I would give it 2/3 weeks never Speaking a word of what they did but now permanently reassigned to me and my duties until further notice. When I was ready we would have a conversation about what had a occurred that morning.
Look they do not want to follow you around all day having them report to you. It's the last thing they want it obvious they have an issue with you or authority or something they have just broken the secret understanding do what I order you to do without hesitation. If they can not follow well you get the drift.

I would give it a few good weeks and then sit with them and get to the bottom of why they thought that was a good maneuver that morning. I am sure by now they wished they didn't even know how to talk that morning.

They would be so ready to get back to a normal duty day without you attached to it.
I would still have them with me for an extended time even after I felt we had corrected this issue, All meals extra duty , extra PT.
I would be right there all day everyday until I was sure this was fixed and once we both now back to a normal duty day I can see what we have done together.
Hopefully for my effort I have made a better soldier a better person maybe even now they know they are worth the effort that is the job of a NCO .

You can punish any time A15 all day long it does not solve a thing and should be your very very last resort with a E3 and below.
But getting someone to look at the days duties as a privilege is what your after. It's called Service and that means sometimes helping those who volunteer find their way and sometimes that requires something different than an antiquated punishment system that is thrown down way to soon and often if you make it to SGT do your job.
Everyone has a Pen !

Response by SPC John Canning made Nov 23 at 2019 10:20 AM

SPC John Canning — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:20:22 -0500

Insubordination at any level should be dealt with immediately. Though new precedent looks to be happening in real time on full public display by a Secretary and a Admiral.

Response by SP5 Ray Bisares made Nov 23 at 2019 12:45 PM

SP5 Ray Bisares — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 12:45:35 -0500

I witnessed an incident between an E5 Squad Leader and a Pvt E2. E2 had a terrible attitude and one morning refused to listen to the E5. After a few minutes, the E5 snapped and grabbed the Pvt by the collar. Those close by felt no sympathy for the Private. There was a JAG investigation and to a man, no one saw a thing.

Response by SSG Mark Bauer made Nov 24 at 2019 3:42 PM

SSG Mark Bauer — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 15:42:12 -0500

There is a greater problem here than an E2 with a smart mouth. This kind of behavior undermines the effectiveness of the team, as well the authority vested in your position.

Option 1
First do not given in to the demands, move forward with passing out the information and duties for the day. Second inform the soldier they will be counseled for their disrespect and then tell them you giving them a direct order to accomplish the task to standard.

Option 2 reassign the task to some one else. Have the soldier work with you the rest of the day. 1st mission write the counseling, ensuring you directly quote the UCMJ. Have them complete task and inspect those task immediately all day long, with every fail or subpar task write a counseling. Your strength is in your ability to gain you subordinates trust and loyalty. When that is unacomplishable you have the power of the pen.

Response by SSG David Kaelin made Nov 24 at 2019 4:07 PM

SSG David Kaelin — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:07:59 -0500

I never had anything like that occur and I was a HQ PSG where the 1SG slammed all of the duds from the Line Platoons.

I would have told the kid to report to my Platoon Office. I would have read him the riot act. I'd have, then, given him the chance to repair his behavior. He would have been on the shit list for, at least, one month or until I had seen improvement in attitude.

If he didn't improve, I'd have gone the UCMJ route.

Simultaneously, I'd have told my Platoon that we have a slacking SOB and that I expect them to rectify the problem.

He'd have either improved, gone to the brig or gone AWOL because his life would have been hell until he improved his attitude and he'd have become my pet project for the duration.

Response by CPO Mike Castro made Nov 24 at 2019 8:03 PM

CPO Mike Castro — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 20:03:15 -0500

I can't imagine giving a task to an E2 without supervision. I'd give the job to an E4.

Response by Cpl Joe Terry made Nov 26 at 2019 11:46 AM

Cpl Joe Terry — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:46:41 -0500

Have to tell you, this would not happen in the Marines! End of story!

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2019 2:01 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:01:17 -0500

What’s worked successfully for me.... upon recognition that you have a private in your ranks that believes they are privileged and special, if the Platoon is not already at a attention, call them to it. “Platoon, it appears as though Private privileged has determined that his assigned tasks are far too difficult and well above his level of intelligence to be accomplished by the same. He has decided, unilaterally, that the best COA to perform is to re-delegate this task to a more capable Soldier! Now that being said, the task is unfortunately not able to be reassigned. We will all be forced to stay here until the poor private performs his assigned task to standard. Now I have some rather pressing business to attend to just beyond this AO, I still have some information to put out, but I should be back in more than 10 minutes. I would just be over the moon if by the time I get back Private Privileged has decided to accept his assigned tasks and perform them to standard under my direct supervision so that we may all eventually go home.”

Response by CPO Lou Oliver made Nov 27 at 2019 2:58 AM

CPO Lou Oliver — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 02:58:55 -0500

Call me old school, but I would order all others, except him and his direct superior, to fall out and commence their duties. Then I would spell it out to the supervisor that I am not very happy and that after the E-2s new duty, which the supervisor is to personally oversee is complete, that he and I will have a one on one. Then taking a page out of the old playbook, I would provide the E-2 with a toothbrush, which he will use to clean the head, latrine for you ground pounders, and it will have to pass my inspection. Of course I would explain to the E-2 that failure to do so, will result in non judicial punishment at the hands of the OinC, which for sailors is the Captain, but not a O-3, normally an O-5 or better.

Response by PO1 Sharon Anderson made Nov 27 at 2019 6:08 AM

PO1 Sharon Anderson — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 06:08:41 -0500

Oh, No, you did not just do that...well, don't like that job,...no problem...head detail for you for the rest of the month....and I want it minty fresh...

Response by PO1 Ron Clark made Nov 27 at 2019 3:00 PM

PO1 Ron Clark — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:00:12 -0500

Not only does he get the duty he is assigned for this day, but he would be "voluntold" until he no longer complained about it or anything else within reason! Plus a little EMI (Extra military Instruction) would be added.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2019 4:50 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:50:19 -0500

I had a guy on my last ship who while I was taking morning muster decided it was okay to tell me to go and f***in die. I told him to stand fast after quarters. I informed a BM2 that I needed him to help me talk to this dude. This turned into the BM2 and I tag teaming this dude yelling at him after we found out his BS reason for blatant disrespect. He recieved a day needlegunning in the sweltering heat and a consuling chit for lack of military bearing.
There is no acceptable reason for a subordinate to behave like that towards a superior. Individual circumstance plays a minor part in punishment determination in my book so long as the subordinate realizes what he/she had done is wrong and wont be tolerated. Punishment should be quick and decisive.

Response by William Barry made Nov 27 at 2019 4:56 PM

William Barry — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:56:34 -0500

The sad part is here in DMH; we are required to do OT some voluntary and some not. We take turns getting mandated, and some refuse. The people who refuse a mandate get a one-day suspension. It's kind of like your ART15; the difference is after enough times resisting orders; you are no longer a mental health worker. You signed up as an essential state employee, so it's like you lied to management. No union steward will defend you either unless there are extenuating circumstances.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Nov 27 at 2019 9:25 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:25:04 -0500

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member This post irritates me more than any other on RP!

NO WAY! Never happened and the whichever idiot chose to do so, and who knows how many of his peers would suffer until a correction of that attitude was evidenced!

Response by SPC Fred Scholl made Nov 27 at 2019 9:39 PM

SPC Fred Scholl — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:39:09 -0500

Article 15 for insubordination, then every shit detail for 30 days. Nip it in the bud immediately.

Response by PO1 Michael Havner made Nov 27 at 2019 9:48 PM

PO1 Michael Havner — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:48:33 -0500

After releasing the other troops, I'd introduce our intrepid E2 to counseling statements. Eventually he's going to either learn proper respect for rank or he's going to go see the old man. It may take a while, but eventually he will learn. I thinks it's important to counsel the troop in private and to not lose your military bearing while interacting with him. Let the system do what it does.

Response by Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill made Nov 28 at 2019 3:25 AM

Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 03:25:57 -0500

First: does counseling automatically lose one his security clearance, as it did in my day?

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Nov 28 at 2019 3:49 AM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 03:49:29 -0500

After he learned intimately about Office Hours, that E-1 would quickly find himself working every shit shift that came along!!!

Response by 1stSgt Ani Stubbs made Nov 28 at 2019 1:22 PM

1stSgt Ani Stubbs — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:22:48 -0500

Write up on first offense

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Nov 28 at 2019 1:45 PM

SFC Terry Bryant — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 13:45:57 -0500

I don't care if you are an E-5 an E-8 or an E-4. If you are in charge period you represent the person who put you there. That may be a commander, or it may be a SGM. For a leader to not address insubordination in any situation is an invitation to anarchy in an institution that thrives and grows on discipline. The only thing worse for moral within a unit is weak leadership. You as a leader must decisively and brutally stamp out insubordination with an iron fist. The Military is not a democracy, it is a institution that is tasked with the defense of it's country. It is an institution of trained and armed killers who have a tremendous responsibility that goes beyond any one individual or any one group. Anarchy and a lack of discipline within these types of units can and do lead to disaster. If you for some reason decide to go soft on these individuals that sow discord within a unit then you allow further displays of insubordination by other individuals who take this as permission to voice their opinions on a leaders decision. I believe that is all need to be said on my part.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 28 at 2019 2:21 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:21:42 -0500

I encourage my soldiers to ask question abo uht if an order is lawful and why it would be or wouldnt be, however getting out of band is the quickest way to get tore up. Thw first time it would be a one sided conversation of why these activities wont be tolerated followed by a 500 word report on why the army instills discipline due the next day and put it in a counseling statement so it can be followed up on later. The second time would be a meeting with the PSG to see what he would recommend as further action from your level. It could go up to ar15 quickly if the command is strong.

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made Nov 28 at 2019 6:06 PM

LTC Ray B. (Ret) — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 18:06:45 -0500

Time and money are the most prized possession of any service member. Waste my time being a problem child Like this to me and it will cost them x10.

Response by SGT Kelly Roberts made Nov 28 at 2019 7:39 PM

SGT Kelly Roberts — Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:39:53 -0500

I’d stomp a mud hole in his ass. Must be a different day. Common sense and the fear of death would stoop me from that nonsense

Response by MAJ Derrick Johnson made Nov 29 at 2019 12:05 AM

MAJ Derrick Johnson — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 00:05:11 -0500

This private would get reamed and be given extra duties, and if they kept it up the ante would be upped with confinement to quarters when not doing crap jobs and progressively worse punishments until I had compliance. I never put up with negative cross talk / complaints or rumor mongering, no way would I tolerate having my a NCOs treated disrespectfully.

Response by Sgt Marcus Boone made Nov 29 at 2019 11:56 AM

Sgt Marcus Boone — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 11:56:19 -0500

Depends on the situation but I would likely act as if I did not hear his/her smart remarks until after I dismissed the formation: And I would ask the E2 to stay back so I could have "a word with him/her"
(This goes without saying, as a male, if this E2 is a female, I would also have another NCO of the same gender accompany me...a little briefing to the associate NCO would be in order, as well.)
I would explain how the service works and advise that their attitude needs to get in alignment with the needs of my branch of service. Then after I "delicately" explained how this behavior (that they displayed) was not acceptable, I would make it CLEAR, in no uncertain terms, that if that EVER happened again, I would file the appropriate paperwork that would follow them through-out their career, or I would ensure their career came to an abrupt end. Then I would give this E2 a chance to respond that they completely understand exactly what I am saying. I would also make it CLEAR that they are never to demean or "sass" me, or any superior, EVER again in public; formation, off duty or otherwise.
The military requires trust and respect and one cannot take place without the other.
Now "get on-board or get out."

Response by SGT Gregory Reilly made Nov 29 at 2019 8:04 PM

SGT Gregory Reilly — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:04:33 -0500

Oh man. Please know I'm a little old school. Ok a lot old school. First I'd start off with an old school smoking. Then I'd find every shit detail for this young soldier. He'd either soldier up or take a bus home. I'm not a big fan of todays military. I'm happy to be retired, because I couldn't kiss a young soldiers ass. Punish him and punish him hard. I remember being smoked and I promise I didn't make that mistake twice. You don't teach them now, they'll always be shitbags.

Response by SGT Gregory Reilly made Nov 29 at 2019 8:13 PM

SGT Gregory Reilly — Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:13:52 -0500

Oh man. I'm a little old school. Ok a lot old school. First I'd start off with a good old school smoking, then I'd find every that young soldier every shit detail I could find. He'd either soldier up or take a bus home. I'm happy to be retired, because there's no way I could or would kiss a young soldiers ass. I remember being smoked and I promise I never made that mistake again. Quit babying these young punks or they'll tell you in combat not me Sergeant. Teach them now.

Response by LTC Ray Morris made Nov 30 at 2019 4:45 PM

LTC Ray Morris — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 16:45:49 -0500

All good responses. I would make him apologize to both you and the in front of the formation (I did that once), write up a counselling report and give it to the Company 1SG. The reason you give it to the Top is, maybe the next time he smarts off at someone, it's someone else and not you, and you might not know it. So thee has to be a record. As you counsel him, if he opens his mouth or shows any attitude at all, he's a prime candidate for an Art 15 (this time around.) The 1SG will assist in handling that - with the commander. Next time, it gets even tougher.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2019 6:47 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 18:47:45 -0500

I'd have a calm one-way discussion with him or her about how everyone has to do things they don't like and the importance of working as a team. Perhaps add a clear reminder of the meaning of respect and how it is a two way street. Moreover, if he or she has a problem with it, we can always add other less desirable tasks to his or her plate. End of discussion.

Response by CPL Quinton Reed made Nov 30 at 2019 7:32 PM

CPL Quinton Reed — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:32:40 -0500

courts martial. immediate and sets the stage for the next pos. to obey the chain of comand

Response by CPL Quinton Reed made Nov 30 at 2019 8:38 PM

CPL Quinton Reed — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:38:02 -0500

I think there is a touch of an officer and a gentleman in this survey. WE THE PEOPLE exceed even the supreme court

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Nov 30 at 2019 9:28 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:28:28 -0500

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member He needs a ass whooping. I would tell him to do it...that he doesn't have a choice...and that after he's been in for 10 years, makes rank and can make the decisions, he'll do as he is told...and if he does this again, he'll be written up.

Response by Sgt James D. made Dec 1 at 2019 12:35 AM

Sgt James D. — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 00:35:20 -0500

how you present your self as an nco determines how those kind of things play out! not one of my men would dare tell me something like that! first off I am old school, I have been known to go behind the barracks and instruct a young one on proper protocol between ncos and those below them! but I also stood up for my troops daily! I would say the team leader and I would have taken that young man out back and team leader would witness me schooling him!

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Dec 1 at 2019 2:12 AM

CW4 Craig Urban — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 02:12:24 -0500

Say be quiet Pvt. One more word out of you and you are going to see the company commander and see what he has to say about your smart mouth

Response by PO2 Michael Martin made Dec 1 at 2019 8:05 AM

PO2 Michael Martin — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 08:05:33 -0500

I can only speak from my time error when things were very different, so here goes. First off, the E2 wouldn't have come to you with this problem. They would have had it dealt with long ago. There were ways, back then, that you used to, lets say, persuaded someone to fall in line. Sometimes it took a little more persuasion then others but believe me, they did fall in line.
I understand in today's military, things have gotten soft. You can't reprimand other then vocal or putting them on report, there is no inbetween. I think it's an injustice to the recruits because they will never experience or have the opportunity to first hand feel the discipline that was or is the United States Armed Forces. That in itself is worth it's weight in gold. That is what the military was built on, chain of command and following orders. and understanding the UCMJ , because if you dont follow orders, people die and that's not acceptable.
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Response by CPO Heidi Cermak made Dec 1 at 2019 8:31 AM

CPO Heidi Cermak — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 08:31:44 -0500

pull the problem child aside, have a plagtoon leader with you and inform the person is the united states military, not burger king and we dont get things our own way.

Response by CPO Heidi Cermak made Dec 1 at 2019 8:33 AM

CPO Heidi Cermak — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 08:33:29 -0500

pull the problem child aside, inform him that this is the us navy, marine corps etc not burger king and we dont have things our own way. Makee sure you have a senior enlisted with you so he cant whine.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Dec 1 at 2019 9:36 AM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:36:25 -0500

That wouldn't have happened in my day. If it did, the E-2 would have been so damn tired from work details, they wouldn't do it again. Semper Fi.

Response by SFC Antonio Baird made Dec 1 at 2019 2:39 PM

SFC Antonio Baird — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 14:39:04 -0500

Immediately quote the article (92)in the UCMJ that he/she is violating and what can be done to them for this violation (Corrective Training, Article 15 or Courts Martial.) If this is their first time showing out like that, I would go with 2 weeks corrective training (observing others servings extra duty, in the same uniform as them, and have him/her present an essay to the entire platoon on the need for good order and discipline.)
When soldiers come to understand that their superiors know more than they do they generally fall in line and even try to learn more themselves. Going straight to Article would demonstrate weakness and an inability to think outside the box. Taking time from Soldiers hurts more than taking money.

Response by PV2 Wayne Grinnell made Dec 1 at 2019 4:32 PM

PV2 Wayne Grinnell — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 16:32:53 -0500

In my opinion the Sgt holds him after formation and starts with PT followed up by KP or extra duty.... say painting the curb with a toothbrush....Having a father who was an Officer I learned a lot before I ever joined, my dads belt wasn’t a wimpy leather belt it was his pistol belt... I cursed my Sgt’s under my breath but never did I talk back to them. Lessoned learned.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Dec 1 at 2019 9:47 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 21:47:35 -0500

That needs to be ended right then and there. If you don’t then other Soldiers may lose respect for you and try the same thing with you or other leaders. These Soldiers know what they signed up for. If a Soldier disrespects you like that then you need to hold him/her accountable. Everyone has their own leadership style so you can handle it your way but this is what I would do:
1. I would immediately have a one on one counseling session with that Soldier after I assign those Soldiers their tasks and send them on their way. I would have a negative counseling and annotate the incident and let that Soldier know the consequences of his/her actions and that the next time he/she does that, then those consequences will take effect. I would also give them corrective action that takes away some of their time (make sure the corrective action meets the crime).
2. During the counseling I will try to listen to the Soldier and attempt to determine if their is something going on I their life (either personal or professional) that might be putting them in such a bad mood or causing them to have this kind of attitude. I would attempt to help them address the problem and teach them that there are ways to address the problem without reacting in a way that can hurt them or their career.
If they don’t accept the help or if they just don’t care and just want to do what they want then maybe they need to find a new career.

Response by MSgt John Geruso made Dec 2 at 2019 7:28 AM

MSgt John Geruso — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 07:28:07 -0500

I would immediately remind him of his responsibilities to carry out legal orders, what the UCMJ IS and give him one, very brief, second to recant. If not, I would initiate Article 15 procedures - he would be an E1 by close of day. Actions have consequences.

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made Dec 3 at 2019 9:27 AM

SSgt Hal Kiah — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 09:27:40 -0500

I was of the mindset of praise publicly, punish privately. I did so several times. Everyone gets dismissed except the E2, and unless I'm his immediate super, then That person stands to as well for a discussion afterwards.
Bringing the E2 aside to find out what's going on for his or her poor reaction to orders is a first point. (Find the problem, Fix the problem, if possible). Then, if it comes to the point of pure insubordination, discipline will be the answer, with emphasis to the E2 that discipline, in ANY situation while in the service is a must and that lawful orders are to be followed as given, as he or she made an oath to do so during enlistment. Anything else could lead to disciplinary actions being taken. In todays military, sometimes "taking him out back to the woodshed" just Might be a necessary step to get the point across.
I would never have chastised in public unless it was a "guns drawn, bullets flying " situation, and then he might be facing an even worse situation.

Response by SPC Burt Epps made Dec 5 at 2019 9:42 AM

SPC Burt Epps — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 09:42:43 -0500

I see this is a pretty old post. That being said I would have to agree with Gunny Pepper. Knee jerk would be to call Private Snuffy front and center and tune his ass up in front of the formation. I've been a Veteran for about 30 years so I know "wall to wall counseling" is frowned upon in the military now. I will say that it did WORK, though.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Dec 5 at 2019 3:25 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 15:25:21 -0500

I've read the responses and I have nothing else to add to it. Everyone else has hit the necessary points. Yes, in my time, there would have been some time spent in the front-leaning rest position and a few other uncomfortable positions. But the other things everyone else is saying is spot-on in my opinion. Oh, and put it on paper as well.

Response by Maj Scott S. made Dec 5 at 2019 9:37 PM

Maj Scott S. — Thu, 05 Dec 2019 21:37:00 -0500

Been there done that. Give them a nastier task (clean the latrines) and remind them of their oath to obey the lawful orders of the officers above them.

Response by SPC Larry Weigel Jr. made Dec 6 at 2019 8:26 PM

SPC Larry Weigel Jr. — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 20:26:50 -0500

I never made NCO (safer that way) but seen one E-3 get his ass handed to him - in public! Blatantly disrespected an order from the platoon NCO (E-7P, Nam vet) who proceeded to give him the dressing down of epic proportions. Flat ripped this guy a new ass and then sent him to the CO who proceeded to present this twat E-3 with some great papers - reassignment and loss of some uniform jewelry. Heard ding-a-ling got shipped out to a post stateside as a groundskeeper.

Response by MSgt Jesse Tiede made Dec 6 at 2019 9:45 PM

MSgt Jesse Tiede — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 21:45:37 -0500

Me and that troop would immediately go to see the Unit Commander. This troop would very soon be an E-1, and, when he or she got out of the Stockade, I would drive them around to out process, after which I would drive them Off Base, maybe even to the Bus Station, and I would say a cordial goodbye. This E-2 has no place in the military, and for damn sure, not under MY supervision! I personally dealt with a very similar case, back in the early to mid '80s. But, that was a troubled E-4, with a bad attitude and no sense of responsibility. Oh, and this is EXACTLY what I did, but, unfortunately for him, I was NOT the first supervisor to try to work with him, and be disappointed.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Dec 7 at 2019 11:34 AM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 11:34:28 -0500

First I count to ten to prevent my being court martialed. Then i would think about the worst possible assignment and let him and all others present know he was going to be assigned that duty. If he was already on the s___bird duty that day then he would discover he was assigned to it for a week.
Shortly after arriving at my first ship I let the Chief know he was assigning me to a working party two days in a row which he usually rotated. An hour later I was reporting to the mess deck master at arms for 3 months mess cook duty. It taught me a lesson that stuck with me and I used the same method years later as a leading petty officer. And yes when this stuff happened I counted to ten.

Response by MSG Dale Day made Dec 15 at 2019 6:19 AM

MSG Dale Day — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 06:19:29 -0500

He would quickly find himself in front of the Commanding Officer for Non-judicial Punishment.

Response by SSG Michael Love made Dec 16 at 2019 9:45 PM

SSG Michael Love — Mon, 16 Dec 2019 21:45:03 -0500

I don't think the Services have lost their art of dressing down a subordinate. I think I was called everything but a child of God. But, I have seen some very strange things happen.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Dec 18 at 2019 10:45 PM

CPL Steve Freeman — Wed, 18 Dec 2019 22:45:50 -0500

One way to end that is to demonstrate that a size 10 boot will in fact fit up his ass. Moreover, it will fit so far up his ass that you can tickle his tonsils by simply wiggling your toes. Perhaps a healthy regimen of 15 hours of leg flutters, mountain climbers and front leaning rest position (you know, during breaks) and having demonstrated his inability to manage E2 responsibilities, a relief of responsibility down to a much easier managed position of E1...indefinitely...could be in order. Maybe discuss with him all the amazing possibilities to look forward to as he follows this path, like spending the rest of his life in a concrete box in Kansas, and spending his outside time swinging a 15 lb sledge hammer turning big rocks into little rocks. :) There are all sorts of possible solutions. As a commander of men (MEN), you have a plethora of options from which to choose.

Response by CPT Wayne Price made Dec 19 at 2019 2:28 AM

CPT Wayne Price — Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:28:26 -0500

I would get nose to nose with him and tell him, I gave you an order, follow it or suffer the consequences.! Do you understand ?

Response by Brad Miller made Dec 24 at 2019 3:35 PM

Brad Miller — Tue, 24 Dec 2019 15:35:59 -0500

If it was in front of the whole formation, bring the hammer down in front of the whole formation. Otherwise, take them aside for a little one-on-one. But insubordination CANNOT be tolerated in a chain-of-command.

Response by CPL Merwin Stapp made Dec 31 at 2019 7:01 PM

CPL Merwin Stapp — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:01:27 -0500

Dropped and Smoked !

Response by SN Stephen Siewert made Jan 3 at 2020 11:12 AM

SN Stephen Siewert — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 11:12:10 -0500

It is a new military, I would have been carrying 5 gallon buckets of sand all day until I decided I wanted to be back in Navy and follow orders. I know it is a volunteer force today, and that is awesome, but we had all enlisted in the Navy (so we were volunteers as well). Enough with the molly coddling, don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash. Exercise until you drop, KP or some other shit duty and elevate to brig time if the don't get the message. It's like a cancer and if you don't cut it out it fosters resentment. A soldier has the right to bitch, but under his breath, or to his buddies ,but not in the face of his superior in front of other guys.

Response by Sgt Matthew Keller made Jan 3 at 2020 2:47 PM

Sgt Matthew Keller — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:47:32 -0500

Punch him in the throat and hide his corpse next to the dead hooker in the attic

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Jan 3 at 2020 4:05 PM

Lt Col Kevin Wyman — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 16:05:29 -0500

Private meeting with the individual and the First Sergeant. If the subject in question shows any hint of insubordination at this meeting, he would feel the full force of the UCMJ to include an Article 15. Would further inform this individual if he/she ever exhibited this behavior again. I would begin immediate processing for a general discharge.

Response by PO2 DAvid Kinzer made Jan 3 at 2020 8:30 PM

PO2 DAvid Kinzer — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 20:30:35 -0500

That fucker just got double duty and work assignments...Period. Got anything else to say?

Response by PO2 DAvid Kinzer made Jan 3 at 2020 8:31 PM

PO2 DAvid Kinzer — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 20:31:31 -0500

That fucker just got double duty and work assignments....got anything else to say?

Response by CPT Tzvi Mejer made Jan 4 at 2020 11:50 AM

CPT Tzvi Mejer — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 11:50:44 -0500

If the assignment is a lawful order this breach of discipline cannot be tolerated otherwise the moral, cohesion and basic chain of command will be broken rendering the unit under your command unfit to carry out any mission, tactical or otherwise.
You as an NCO or officer must be able to issue orders that you k ow will be carried out in other words Military discipline and structure is not open to debate and or discussion by the soldiers.

Response by SSG Steven Gotz made Jan 5 at 2020 11:58 AM

SSG Steven Gotz — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 11:58:28 -0500

I am fairly certain that my initial response would be to smile broadly and say "Oh, this is going to be fun!"

If the others in the squad liked him, it is likely that their assholes would tighten up quite a bit just hearing that phrase. If they didn't like him, they would probably be working hard to stifle a laugh.

There are always simple solutions to the first time such a thing happens. Extra work while all of his peers coach him and cheer him on generally is something troops don't want to repeat.

Oddly, I used to have other sergeants drop by and ask me for extra detail
suggestions when it came to such things because apparently I was a devious cold hearted son-of-a-bitch with a certain streak of evil. Perhaps because I was already 25 years old when I enlisted and had seen a lot of the business world where there are some truly cold hearted people.

Once, when the First Sergeant at my last duty station (Ft. Hood) saw me coming with a young troop, he figured out what was coming and decided to play along. It started with "Good morning Top! Guess what Private So-and-So gets to do today?" He said "Something really fun I'll bet! and he acted really excited when I told him what I had in mind for the wayward soldier. So happy for him.

I think though, that sitting around with a few E4s discussing such onerous tasks generally meant that the soldiers under their care would eventually hear about it and I seldom had issues. But then again, I was known as being the best sergeant to work with if you wanted to pass the promotion boards or win Soldier of the Month. I had a knack for getting people ready. Of all the things I miss about my Army days, working with younger troops to help them succeed is probably what I miss most.

So, as others have said, the troublemaker might just end up being your best troop if handled correctly.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jan 5 at 2020 7:44 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 19:44:52 -0500

Last time that happen, the young man and I had a talk with the first sgt. After our little talk the young man knew what to do or L.B.J. would be his next address of residence. He busted his ass and made a good E-4 team leader.

Response by CW2 Donald Loughrey made Jan 5 at 2020 9:23 PM

CW2 Donald Loughrey — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 21:23:56 -0500

I would tell him that he is currently holding the last rank insignia that points up he will hold in his career and further counsel him/her on the error of their ways. A hard put down immediately executed at the moment beats an official paper trail that often holds no corrective action or an opportunity to repair the damage without making it a big thing. The second offense would be the deserved smoke and scunion.

Response by MSgt Robert Walters made Jan 5 at 2020 10:09 PM

MSgt Robert Walters — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 22:09:25 -0500

In the 1968 USAF, this confused young man would be standing in front of the 1st Sgt. He would be advised of Article 134, Relieved of Duty, assigned to a Work Detail pending Article 15 action by his Commander and possible Discharge. The War in Vietnam was building and the Draft still existed for individuals Discharged from the USAF.

Response by MSG Albert Grounds made Jan 6 at 2020 8:16 AM

MSG Albert Grounds — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:16:39 -0500

This is clearly a case of insubordination and could be handled with an article 15. However, I would prefer what our Platoon Sergeants did when they encountered a smart mouth and that to have them drop and do 50 push ups. If they refused, then follow up with the insubordination with the commanding officer.
This is necessary because unity is necessary in a unit.
My basic was pure hell as we ran everywhere, did 10 push ups, chin ups and sit ups before every meal and then told the mess hall was not a recreation area and to move out if we casually ate. Any disruption meant a two mile run. Did it work? Yes, it did and I was prepared for the Tet Offensive in Viet Nam. My Platoon Sergeant was still at Fort Leonard Wood when I returned from Viet Nam and I went there and personally thanked him for preparing us for combat.

Response by MAJ Robert Leverington made Jan 6 at 2020 7:07 PM

MAJ Robert Leverington — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 19:07:16 -0500

In the modern Army you probably should kiss his ass.

Response by SrA Larry Ingram made Jan 8 at 2020 9:48 AM

SrA Larry Ingram — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:48:14 -0500

According to the rules of Sun-zu if this was wartime the dipshit would’ve been shot no ifs,ands or buts which is something that if I had to do I would do I’m sorry you put on a military uniform and you stood in front of the flag and said “I do” in the fine print it says that you agree to get screwed unconditionally for X amt of years so own up to it

Response by SSgt Chuck Keneagy made Jan 8 at 2020 2:26 PM

SSgt Chuck Keneagy — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 14:26:08 -0500

Never had that happen we were pretty loose on AF Flightline roll cams, but if it did to me, i would have worked his ass to death. AF Flightlines are big areas , get PT lugging around heavy tool boxes

Response by PFC Teddy Hatzenbuhler made Jan 8 at 2020 8:16 PM

PFC Teddy Hatzenbuhler — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 20:16:20 -0500

I’m a Vietnam vet and I think all you military morons don’t deserve any respect your all a bunch of fucking idiots

Response by PO3 Sinatra Jeter made Jan 9 at 2020 9:55 AM

PO3 Sinatra Jeter — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:55:58 -0500

After the orders are given, the senior E5 asks, "are there any bitches?" What would you do? While every laughs off the joke. There is a legitimate question.

Response by PO3 Sinatra Jeter made Jan 9 at 2020 9:56 AM

PO3 Sinatra Jeter — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:56:11 -0500

After the orders are given, the senior E5 asks, "are there any bitches?" What would you do? While every laughs off the joke. There is a legitimate question.

Response by Sgt Robert Kemp made Jan 9 at 2020 9:29 PM

Sgt Robert Kemp — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 21:29:34 -0500

His ass would be grass. I don't care what his problems were. There are 60-70 other men who also have problems and contain them or seek counseling. At EVERY boot graduation, MCRD SDiego, we always had at least one set of parents who would thank us for doing in a few months they had tried to do in 17-20 years. If he didn't shape up, he'd ship out. I didn't have, and still don't have, time for shitbirds to shirk their duties and responsibilities. Either grow up or get out of the way of men. Semper Fi DI USMC 1958-59. My tolerance level grows shorter as I get older and I'm an active 83 with more years to come.

Response by SPC Bryan Holmes made Jan 10 at 2020 12:41 PM

SPC Bryan Holmes — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:41:57 -0500

“Front lean and Rest, in cadence- exercise.”

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jan 11 at 2020 4:28 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:28:01 -0500

Wow this one really depends on the time and place.
In the good old day's ( Come into my office and we will talk, Shit bird comes out with a bleeding lip and limping) I miss those day's.
Some troops just are have a I Am stupid day and talking to them will fix it.
I know I have had them myself, But never told my boss to stick or get someone elce to do it.
These day for the most part you have to find out why they are acting like that,Babby them.
Then give them corrective traing that does not do shit.
Then It is Counseling statement's and sending them to Mentail Health. In order to make sure they are o.k. to be keep in the Military. See if is O.K. to get ride of them with a Chapter for being a Turd of a Mental health Discharge and get all the V.A. Benefits.
Welcome to the Military of Bill Clinton and Obama.

Response by 1SG Mitchell Smith made Jan 11 at 2020 4:36 PM

1SG Mitchell Smith — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:36:15 -0500

Introduce him/her to the ballpoint....no need for violence those times are over. Soon we will all understand we are all replaceable. The streets have many places for individuals like this....counsel, retrain move-on.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jan 19 at 2020 5:35 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 05:35:32 -0500

That has to be dealt with FAST!!! I would get in that private's face, and blatantly tell that punk the directive will be followed, otherwise, it's an A-15 for disrespecting an NCO.

Response by CWO4 Ray Whiteaker made Jan 22 at 2020 1:43 PM

CWO4 Ray Whiteaker — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:43:44 -0500

Dismiss the unit and adjust this man’s attitude

Response by SSG Kevin S. made Jan 24 at 2020 8:50 AM

SSG Kevin S. — Fri, 24 Jan 2020 08:50:48 -0500

As a new NCO, these responses are preparing me for something that may eventually happen. I appreciate the candor and the humor as I prefer to use these skills to motivate rather than the authoritarian approach.

Response by 1SG Steven Malkowski made Jan 27 at 2020 8:47 AM

1SG Steven Malkowski — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 08:47:58 -0500

When I first joined in the late 70's, closed door wall-to-wall counseling was in use for the most severe cases of a repetitive nature. Spontaneous cases like above would guarantee shit detail for a week or more until re-education was established. Today a counseling statement and possible UCMJ non=judicial punishment would be in order if the soldier does not improve his attitude. One thing for sure, never make a threat to the soldier you can't carry out. Sure way to lose credibility.

Response by MAJ Raymond Haynes made Jan 29 at 2020 3:20 PM

MAJ Raymond Haynes — Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:20:03 -0500

It's been a long time since I was in, but my answer is the same as both enlisted and an officer. I go tell the Gunny. The problem goes away. I don't ask, he don't tell. The problem just goes away.

Response by SFC Rick LaFace made Jan 31 at 2020 7:30 PM

SFC Rick LaFace — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:30:43 -0500

I'd tell the E-2 to stand at "parade rest" and remain at that position every time they address me. In the mean time I'd get inventive for some corrective training to help young joker remember how the pecking order works. Maybe even give a class on rank structure to their teammates. Yelling doesn't work on every individual but when they know there is a document describing their behavior that usually gets their attention. Does this E-2 get counselled a monthly performance by chance?

Response by SSG Mark Wilson made Feb 1 at 2020 11:11 PM

SSG Mark Wilson — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 23:11:06 -0500

Drop the whole formation, 50 plus push ups, and let the soldiers deal with him or her, why should an NCO always do the dirty work..Peer pressure is a B****

Response by PO1 Joseph Collins made Feb 2 at 2020 6:29 PM

PO1 Joseph Collins — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 18:29:58 -0500

....kill them immediately...make them an example for the others....

Response by CPL Gail White made Feb 2 at 2020 7:58 PM

CPL Gail White — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 19:58:17 -0500

The brig

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Feb 2 at 2020 8:06 PM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 20:06:57 -0500

I would immediately take him to the C.O. and ensure he was charged with insubordination and failure to follow orders. You might also go for conduct unbecoming. I'm sure a reduction in rank, a monetary penalty and a little time in confinement wouldn't hurt either.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Feb 3 at 2020 11:48 AM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 11:48:22 -0500

Send his ass to the pit for a few hours... that or ahitnag gets every detail until he gets out

Response by SGT Bob Knox made Feb 3 at 2020 3:35 PM

SGT Bob Knox — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 15:35:02 -0500

I came in under reagon back in 87 I would smoke him he would know the rest of his life he screwed up ......

Response by SGT Robert Eddy made Feb 4 at 2020 9:24 AM

SGT Robert Eddy — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 09:24:40 -0500

Fifty years ago, the "counseling" done by us NCOs was more physical, in the form of 'extra care and maintenance of military properties' and/or something more physical.
Once an officer witnessed a NY National Guardsmen give me some lip. Before I could 'counsel' this Private, the officer wanted to use the UCMJ.
Our C.O. gave him a choice of Art 15 or Court Martial. The now not-so-bold Private chose Art 15.
There was an upcoming holiday weekend and these A.I.T. trainees were being allowed passes.
This Private was from a wealthy family and said he wasn't concerned about having Forfeiture of Pay, etc.
Instead, the C.O. gave him a Dutch uncle ass-chewing, cancelled his pass, and assigned him 'extra care and maintenance, etc.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Feb 4 at 2020 11:39 AM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 11:39:42 -0500

I'd let the NCOs take care of it, but you can be sure the NCOs and I would have words about keeping me informed.

Response by MSG Chris Clanton made Feb 5 at 2020 12:17 PM

MSG Chris Clanton — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 12:17:26 -0500

This Pvt would end up on every shit detail I could find. His Team Leader would be right there with him supervising. One or both of them would adjust their attitude rather quickly. If it’s just one guy he has a problem. If it’s more than one the SL has a problem. Where is the PSG in all of this? The next time he refused a lawful order I would park his sorry ass in front of the commander. When I was a PSG I would give my NCO’s a 3 day weekend. I would “replace” them for a day with E3’s or E4’s. I would go over First call, formations, the training schedule, etc a few days beforehand. Almost without fail, they were glad to see their SL and TL back among them. It usually adjusted attitudes. And respect

Response by GySgt Walter Jones made Feb 5 at 2020 7:07 PM

GySgt Walter Jones — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 19:07:25 -0500

Being USMC , old school ( 1953 to 1975 ) I would him out of ranks, took him behind the barracks for a little one on one, ending up with him removing his head from his rectum...I'm not cut out for todays military

Response by SPC Robert Lyles made Feb 6 at 2020 9:30 AM

SPC Robert Lyles — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 09:30:33 -0500

Everybody wants to point fingers at the E-2, but maybe the E-5 needs to work on his command presence. I have been out a while so somethings may have changed. But we always had the mentality to not let our leaders down.

Response by MSgt Gary Moore made Feb 6 at 2020 10:21 PM

MSgt Gary Moore — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:21:51 -0500

release the rest of the formation to carry out their assignments --- then take the smartass into my office and have him stand there while I fill out the discharge forms for an undesirable discharge which is other than HONORABLE then have him sign the forms --- as a 1st SGT this method worked well for me several times --- the look on their faces was great "SHOCK" they thought there was nothing I could to them ----- NOT!!!!!! A FAST TURN AROUND IN THEIR ATTITUDES!!!

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2020 2:40 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 14:40:01 -0500

Still wondering how old posts are recycled in my email. But I agree with Gunny Pepper. The PFC's indiscretions must be hammered with military precision. This is the military, not Google. There is no room for such insolence, in garrison or on the battlefield. To be sure, failure to promptly and respectfully obey lawful orders in garrison, and failure to stamp it out swiftly, will translate to lives lost on the battlefield. Mission accomplishment depends on high discipline and swift compliance with orders (both the letter and the intent). Insubordination cannot be tolerated.

Response by SSG Joseph VanDyck made Feb 7 at 2020 6:58 PM

SSG Joseph VanDyck — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:58:07 -0500

You really don't want to know. It would involve his team leader and the sm also. By themselves with me. I know how I was corrected as a young sm.

Response by TSgt James Lacey made Feb 8 at 2020 10:56 AM

TSgt James Lacey — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 10:56:10 -0500

I would take the E2 aside after I released the rest of the detail.. And inform him of the dangers of a court martial for insubordination. If he still insisted that I should stick it where the son didn't shine I would escort him to the brig and let him decide which was worse.

Response by PO3 G Chapa made Feb 8 at 2020 3:59 PM

PO3 G Chapa — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:59:18 -0500

Ha! Poor kid!

Response by SGT Michael Carter made Feb 8 at 2020 5:55 PM

SGT Michael Carter — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 17:55:40 -0500

I find this an interesting conversation. I was in the Army in 1969/70 in Vietnam. All through basic training and advanced training in Microwave, one thing that we were taught about discipline was that you were to follow orders/commands without question, immediately. One reason for this is that when you are in a combat zone and someone tells you to get down, retreat, charge, whatever the command is, hesitation or straight failure to comply could cost you your life, and possibly others their life. While we all know that in "non-combat" situations, failure to comply immediately will most likely not cost anyone their life. However, the concept of responding immediately and following orders, training, is meant to precondition a soldier to do what they are told without hesitation. If you have a knucklehead that things that following lawful orders is point of debate, are a danger to themselves and others. While serving in Vietnam as an SPC5 and assistant site chief at our radio site, I had an incident with a FNG who decided that he wasn't interested in participating in our standard end of shift clean up, i.e. sweeping and mobbing and polishing the radio room floors. He was a big strapping lad, maybe 6' +, 200 pounds. I am 5.8 and at the time, maybe 125 or so. I was not interested in arguing with him in front of the rest of the team, who just went about their normal clean up duties. At the end of our shift, I invited the young man to walk out by the bunkers with me for a smoke. As we stood smoking our cigs, I explained to him the error of his ways and ensured him that I was only asking him to do his share of the work. As well, reminding this PFC that I outranked him and by the UCMJ it was his responsibility to follow lawful orders. He responded with "F**k You" and "I will do what I want and you can't make me do anything else. At that point I gave him a choice, an ass kicking or article 15, possibly followed by reassignment to a free fire zone up north. He opted for the ass kicking and said bring it on. When I helped him get up for the third time, I asked if he wanted to continue in this manner, as I was off shift, had lots of time until my next shift and I would be happy to accommodate. He decided that it was a better idea to follow orders and be a part of a team, versus a lone wolf knucklehead. The next 6 months with this guy went great. He put his ego in his pocket and became a great team player.

In today's army, it seems that, while we need to treat every individual with respect, and corporal punishment should be the last resort, it seems that we went through a period of "molly-coddling" new recruits to ensure that we were being "sensitive" to their needs. Perhaps, and hopefully, the pendulum has swung back to the mid point again.

BTW, my direct reply to an insubordinate would be along the lines as above,,, "If you don't like being here, and you don't want to be a contributor, do yourself and all of your team makes a favor, and leave.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Feb 8 at 2020 8:42 PM

SFC Mark Bailey — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 20:42:41 -0500

"PVT Shit bird.... you are Ab-so-Frakkin-LOOT-lee Right... you deserve such a better assignment
I thank you for your attention to detail in pointing out to me, your Senior NCO that your rights as an individual have been neglected....

First, while I think about the perfect solution to your mind boggling problem I need you to make Germany move for me just a little bit if you dont mind.... that means DROP and do PUSHUPS shitbird
Second, I will count out your 25 pushups but first I must think long and hard... so you continue to do those practice pushups until I can come back over there to begin counting them out for you
Third, I believe the perfect assignment for you is to practice your long range roadmarches with full pack and weapon, since after all those pushups you will be of a mind to be ready to go kill the enemy "|

All of this should be intoned in that perfect Drill Sergeant voice and inflection that we all know and love

I have had my share of shitrbirds, but they never spoke up more than once for some odd reason

Response by Sgt Chris Cornejo made Feb 8 at 2020 8:44 PM

Sgt Chris Cornejo — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 20:44:32 -0500

Tell him it wasn’t a suggestion or option. It is an order!!! If that doesn’t wake him up then proceed with discipline. Thank him for being an idiot and for helping you establish your authority to the rest of the unit. If you can’t do this then you should be doing duty assignment and not in a position of authority. Maybe the Girl Scouts would handle it with encouragement and support groups. The Marine Corp deals with it on the spot in front of God, Jesus, Joseph, and Mary. The only kind thing that would come to my mind is “get your head out of your ass.

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Feb 9 at 2020 9:59 PM

SMSgt David A Asbury — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:59:59 -0500

I would first remember to be professional, not losing my bearing and ask E@2 to remove his self from the military formation and go to my office. After completing my duties to the rest of the group I would turn my attention to the E-2 and his Squad leader and have them report to the 1st Sgt after both of them completed the assigned task. I would let the 1st Sgt know I wanted the E2 to be charge with an article 92 If I was the Squad Leader, I would escort him to the task to be accomplished and then turn my statement in to the 1st Sgt. I would also get statements from those present at the time. Keep control of the situation and do not get to the E2 level. Nip it in the bud before we need the chainsaw.

Response by CPO Nate S. made Feb 9 at 2020 10:50 PM

CPO Nate S. — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 22:50:38 -0500

Military service is about TEAM! When you are NOT a TEAM player (not the same as a KISS ASS!) you open tell others that you WILL NOT BE THEIR for them when they need you! How this is dealt with is called LEADERSHIP!

Minus the "dipshit - shitbag" language GySgt Kenneth Pepper the practical theory is sound. Retain the "solider" and his "squad or platoon leader". Explain that his failure to follow orders that are "lawful" per the UCMJ and > 240 years of USA military history and best practices clearly means that he is willing to risk the lives of those who will count on him in a firefight or other stressful situation when he cannot follow simple directions under non-stressful conditions. Let him know that that in choosing to fail to obey a "lawful order" and to suggest, "very briefly and directly" that when considers that he is more important than his team is contrary to how the military works. Be harmed with lessons from history of those not following orders and what it cost those around them.

Yet, CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member commentary "...Praise in public, punish in private. "You stand fast after formation." Give him a chance to explain insubordination. Mandatory counseling. If he is defiant in private after getting the chance then burn him..." is spot on! There are in fact times when some have not been trained to handle stress and investigating, under non-combat conditions is a germane course of action. As CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member correctly points out "...Sometimes people are defiant because something happened and they feel out of control so they try to take it wherever they can no matter how inappropriate. Sometimes a wife cheated or a parent died. Sometimes the hospital calls and congratulates you on having cancer. To outright burn a Joe without gathering the facts is irresponsible...." I cannot tell you how many times sailors and marines have knocked on my sickbay door at 3 pm needed to talk about many of the issues CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member
highlights...such willingness to talk before acting may have saved careers and lives. Knowing some of their leaders, it did!

Furthermore, PO1 David Gibbens points out that "...When you're at 400ft and there's a fire in the Torpedo Room, or you're someplace where people are shooting at you are you really going to take NO as an answer?? Or, are you going to kick him in his ass, and get him motivated to move in the right direction?" This kind of scenario aside, LEADERSHIP is about balance and knowing which LEADER you need to be when.

I have known hard as nail Gunny's with a softer side in certain situations that gave a new appreciation for them as human beings, but I'd STILL prefer to be in a foxhole with them 100 fold than others who would readily melt! I have known "Master Chiefs" who were all too willing to be a friend to subordinates in order to be liked and in that "friendliness" poison the chain of command!

When their is NO time think, people have to ACT based on their training and PERSONAL as well as COLLECTIVE discipline to win the day! When their IS time to think, taking the time to learn about people can help you create a type of loyalty and commitment often envied. Again, it is about not just reading Sun Tzu, but studying and implementing that wisdom every day!

Learning to admit that 1st impressions can and often are wrong takes more REAL GUTS than most people have. Don't get me wrong, sometimes, 1st impressions are spot on.

I would suspect that most of here on RP like war movies. Hec, my wife and I watched the new Midway movie (we have watched the other numerous times) at midnight last night in our living room.
I even has salsa and chips and a glass of almond mike. But, a 2016 movie that caught my attention is about a REAL LIFE hero has a scene worth watching that is germane to the question being asked!

Army Medics and Navy Corpsmen are respected, not for what they say but what in fact - they DO! Please watch this ~2:15 min Youtube clip from the movie Hacksaw Ridge. Humility in leaders is a hallmark I have always looked for in some of the best MARINES, SOLDIERS, SAILORS, AIRMEN and COASTSGUARDSMEN it was my pleasure to serve with. It allowed me to know that I was placing my trust (aka my LIFE) in the hands of someone WORTHY of being trusted! If this is NOT a demonstration of REAL leadership, hell I have NO CLUE then what real leadership is. Enjoy the clip..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6QDmeWhSHg.

Hacksaw Ridge (2016) Waiting For Desmond Doss Scene 1080p Clip

Hacksaw Ridge (2016) Waiting For Desmond Doss Scene 1080p Clip (with Serbo-Croatian subtitle) Disclaimer - I do not own the rights of this scene. Copyright D...

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Feb 10 at 2020 6:30 AM

1SG John Highfill — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:30:45 -0500

Agree with response I would add that along with the counseling statement some form of extra physical training take place where all solders can see lunges, jog in place, push ups, flutter kicks ; all young Soldiers need to know there will be 0 tolerance for disobedience

Response by LTC George Morgan made Feb 11 at 2020 1:47 PM

LTC George Morgan — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:47:23 -0500

In my Basic Trainng Days 1964, there was no fooling around. We had a Guard Roomm and a Provost Sgt. What you see in this clip is truly how it was. Although in these clips , they are made in the current time, where Bad Lads were given the opportunity of Prison or a 4 weeks of Training as it was in my time. Yes I started as Enlisted, but I learnt my trades under the circumstances you seee here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YpOvZIEw9s&list=PLE2cZbgZ6kkRLe-gB-EhrW42j34ltBFWi

Bad Lads Army: Private Miller and Provost Sergeant Weston

Private Miller gets yelled at by Provost Sergeant Tim Weston. This video i funny! DISCLAIMER: 17 U.S. Code § 107 - Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use ...

Response by SrA Jason Adams made Feb 11 at 2020 8:44 PM

SrA Jason Adams — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:44:10 -0500

Hold after formation and let the E2 know in no uncertain terms that you are in charge and they are to follow your orders without complaint or hesitation. Nonjudicial punishment next offense.
I don't think that I knew anyone no matter what rank that would even think about refusing to follow an order or work assignment from a higher ranking NCO or officer, well maybe a butterbar lieutenant, but still.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2020 3:46 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 03:46:03 -0500

If this person does this in formation you must keep your cool and stay quiet till formation is over than call E2 smart mouth on the side make sure you have another witness there to document everything on paper because if this person will do this in formation he has learned this behavior from other people and if this is not corrected now it will become more sever in the future

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Mar 4 at 2020 12:25 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:25:55 -0500

A little time in the brig or stockade would take care of that problem. You can't have a mutiny among the troops. You let them get away with it, then the rest of the troops will become slackers. What you do has to be fast and quick to nip it in the bud.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2020 2:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:36:06 -0500

Choke the little bastard

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Mar 5 at 2020 2:57 PM

PFC Martin Potashner — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 14:57:42 -0500

I learned early you don't talk back to a sgt at a E2 level

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Mar 5 at 2020 7:10 PM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:10:55 -0500

Whenever I arrived to a new company and placed in a leadership position I always had a sit down with the soldiers assigned under me. I always told them what they could expect from me and exactly what I expected from them, followed by a Q & A session. I would them dismiss the soldiers to do their daily work assignments, with the exception of Sqd and Tm Ldrs. I would tell them that my expectations of them were a lot higher and I would smoke them like a bad cigar if I ever found out that they had/are mistreating one of our soldiers. I remember this happening to me when I was an E-6 Plt. Sgt. I stopped what I was saying, approached the SM, reached in my left breast pocket, pulled out my Article 31 card and read them their right under the UCMJ. Scared, I would rather say scared shirtless. This showed everyone that I was a no nonsense NCO. After that face to face, word got out that I took no bullshit and I never had a problem with anyone in my platoon or out of my platoon within the company. However, different situations require different approaches.

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Mar 5 at 2020 8:45 PM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:45:31 -0500

Whenever I was assigned to a leadership position in a new company I would get all the soldiers together and tell them what they could expect from me and what I expected from them, followed by a Q & A session. I would dismiss the soldiers, with the exception of the Sqd and Tm Ldrs. I would inform them that I held them to a higher standard, expected more from them and have their back, right or wrong and if they were wrong, I would let them know about it. If they have been or are mistreating any SMS, they needed to stop or I would smoke them like a bad cigar. I did have one new soldier try me in formation,bso I stopped what I was doing, got in the SMS face, reached in my left breast pocket, pulled out a card and read the SM his of his Article 31 rights under the UCMJ. I remember his eyes getting big, especially when I asked him if he understood his rights. His attitude changed and when I asked him if he had any problem with doing what was required of him he said "No Sergeant", will there be any further problems or questions with what I say in the future, "No Sergeant". I nipped it in the bud right then and there. I had no problems with any of the SMS assigned under me and word got out that I was a no nonsense/bullshit NCO and I had no problems with any soldiers within the company. However, different situations require different approaches.

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Mar 6 at 2020 12:09 PM

SPC John Tacetta — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:09:27 -0500

Dude: That's an automatic Article 15, no questions asked. Insubordination. Live and learn.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 1:16 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:16:59 -0500

This is just me. I’m not an nco yet but I am an E4 promotable, in my mos you are responsible for subordinates due to how small our mos is and a lack of actual E5s. I have been put in this exact same situation. “Private does this sound like a fucking suggestion ? If you don’t take your ass downstairs and do XYZ you will have alot more to worry about than a fucking counseling“. this also is dependent on the soldier. No two soldiers are the same. You have to know your soldiers. Some soldiers you have to pull aside and see what’s going on. Yes we signed a contract but we are all human. Sometimes people go through shit and you as a leader may have to adjust fire

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 1:21 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:21:59 -0500

Response by SPC Brian Pritchard/Hall made Mar 6 at 2020 1:40 PM

SPC Brian Pritchard/Hall — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:40:58 -0500

What ever I do it’s in private and the penalty would be sever and publicly known.

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Mar 7 at 2020 1:12 PM

LCpl Jeff Moore — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:12:29 -0500

Tell his team leader and him to stand by. Then explain to the the E2 that unless he wants to be a E1 he will do as told. If he has a problem with it he does it then approach his team leader afterwards. If he continues then art 15, or corrective physical PT

Response by TSgt David Olson made Mar 7 at 2020 1:40 PM

TSgt David Olson — Sat, 07 Mar 2020 13:40:49 -0500

Am I reading this correctly that an E-2 is in a formation, regardless of type or purpose, and opens his/her mouth against receiving an order for the day? May I ask, what’s happened to military discipline? It seems like the concept has changed since my time. I can remember vividly as a basic trainee (1963) at Fort Leonard Wood, MO. One day after noon chow, my fellow basic trainees and I were in platoon formation. I don’t remember what our platoon sergeant was demonstrating. He was passing up and down the ranks and came to me. He stopped and looked at me and suddenly punched me in the stomach. He continued to stand directly in front of me and his words were “don’t throw up on my boots”. I wasn’t going to give him the satisfaction, so I just stood at attention, wooden faced. The idea of complaining never entered my mind, as I accepted this as part of Army basic training. Years later I was a T.I. at Lackland AFB, TX. When my three year tour was up, one of my fellow T.I.s told me that I never had a problem with my recruits because I kept them petrified for six weeks. I never had a trainee open his mouth in formation, unless I asked a question.

Response by CSM John Pepper made Mar 8 at 2020 3:47 PM

CSM John Pepper — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 15:47:59 -0400

Well . . . . given I'm a retired CSM, and trying reflect on my time as an E5/E6 when was at Ft. Knox - mostly wearing a Round Brown - I can say, "come unglued and smoke his ass" is the best way to say it. No one ever gives lip to a CSM - that I learned early on - but occasionally a trainee shit would get cocky and think there were all that. Remember, once I got done with that asshole, there's a whole another tribe of Sergeants around . . . . simple as that. Too bad it's not my Army any longer, been retired 19 years. Just a bunch of wannabe's and "why me" babies these days. CSM out.

Response by COL William Oseles made Mar 8 at 2020 6:59 PM

COL William Oseles — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 18:59:33 -0400

What they are doing is Disrespect to and NCO in the performance of his duties (Article 91) and Disobeying a lawful order (Article 92).
Call the formation to Attention and if they refuse, ready the charges and a Chapter.

Response by MSgt Michael Cronin made Mar 9 at 2020 1:57 AM

MSgt Michael Cronin — Mon, 09 Mar 2020 01:57:26 -0400

I would discipline him in front of the squad so everyone knows it will not be tolerated!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2020 8:50 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:50:06 -0400

Check this out, this is some of the problems with todays Army, hell new recruits come into the service questioning authority figures.A Sense of Entitlement'"What leaders have observed in general is they believe that there is too much of a sense of entitlement, questioning of lawful orders, not listening to instruction, too much of a buddy mentality with NCOs and officers and a lot of tardiness being late to formation and duties," Frost said. "These are trends that they see as increasing that they think are part of the discipline aspect that is missing and that they would like to see in the trainees that become soldiers that come to them as their first unit of assignment."https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/02/09/low-discipline-new-soldiers-prompts-army-redesign-basic-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1gyxaN6Z8bYXcU3vZ1C03GWKvVp65vBzR8LOjeDZot6eUTQxI4zDeJXaY

Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training

The U.S. Army will soon launch a redesign of Basic Combat Training intended to build more discipline.

Response by SN Jeremiah Passmore made Mar 10 at 2020 1:38 PM

SN Jeremiah Passmore — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 13:38:51 -0400

Spanking

Response by PO3 John Dill made Mar 10 at 2020 3:06 PM

PO3 John Dill — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:06:26 -0400

This praise in public and discipline in private idea is not always the best solution, unless you're a politician!!!

Because the ill-advised comments and attitude occurred, not only in public but in ranks, the situation should be addressed right there, right then, so no one misunderstands or gets the G-Rated version (or worse) after the fact!!!
I'd dress that E-2 down like he was in Boot Camp all over again and under no certain terms would I ever tolerate that kind of disrespect without the E-2 being written up and it becoming a permanent part of that individual's service record!!!
In addition, to further curve the E-2's (or anyone else's) appetite for speaking out of turn while in ranks, the work load on the entire squad just doubled. Any further ill-advised words and/or attitudes will not be tolerated for one second... And in the words of Sergeant Carter...
Do I make myself perfectly clear???
I can't hear you!!!

This lace drawers wearing bunch of idiots that have infiltrated the U.S. Armed Forces have 2 choices in my book...
Either Shape Up or Ship Out!!!

Response by SGT Edward Greenslit made Mar 10 at 2020 9:16 PM

SGT Edward Greenslit — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:16:09 -0400

30 years ago when I was in we would have gone on a trip to the wood line or to the inside of a conex. I’ve seen a few smart ass soldiers get their attitude adjusted. Charlie’s Chicken Farm (IDF) was a great option as well. After 30 days locked down moving piles of dirt, digging and filling in holes and filling sandbags the dirt bag came out with a whole new attitude.

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made Mar 10 at 2020 10:55 PM

1SG Jason Almond — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:55:56 -0400

There’s a ton of great advice / options. I think I’d simply look at the SL and simply ask, “you got this, right?”

My point is that if you’ve built what you want to have built in your SLs.......all you’re doing is continuing that development process.

Like if I was standing out front and one of my SLs shot his mouth off to the 1SG.......

I’d look at my 1SG and say, “I got it, top.”

Response by SGM Jesse Davis made Mar 10 at 2020 11:01 PM

SGM Jesse Davis — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:01:31 -0400

My first question is, was this response from the young Soldier out of character. If so try to find out why the Soldier responded that way. There my be something very serious going on in the Soldier's life and he may be trying to punish himself for it. I'm speaking from experience and a good NCO will know his or her Soldiers, and believe it or not, a three (3) day pass may be what that Soldier needs.

Response by SGT Ben Bearden made Mar 10 at 2020 11:18 PM

SGT Ben Bearden — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:18:21 -0400

I don't know if things are that much different than they used to be, but Extra duty was my go to. Private No Go don't want to do his assigned work? Fanfreakingtastic! let's start with some extra duty! go to Battalion HQ and strip and shine the floors/shine all the brass/paint the molding, you get the gist. explain to them that had they done their assigned duty they wouldn't be losing their free time. Also enforce it by explaining that failure to complete the extra duty task to satisfaction will lead to more extra duty, further if that is not effective your will then resort to paperwork (Art-15) to result in additional extra duty AND loss of pay. TIME and MONEY speak volumes and can motivate the shammiest of shamers.

Response by PO2 David Allender made Mar 18 at 2020 10:34 AM

PO2 David Allender — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 10:34:55 -0400

Must be taken care of quickly and without losing your temper. You are in charge. The way you handle it will last the rest of the time shit bird in in the service. What is required is instant obedience to orders. Failure to comply is a General Court Marshall. Do I make myself clear? There is no other way for that action to be carried out. Do it or else.

Response by SGT Stephen Crawford made Mar 24 at 2020 5:00 PM

SGT Stephen Crawford — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:00:29 -0400

In with GySgt has that shit happen in the desert. Not much support from my 1st shirt. Not establishing the rank structure early on can put lives at danger later.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Mar 24 at 2020 9:00 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:00:20 -0400

I agree with all the comments that I’ve seen this guy is out of hand and Hass to be dealt with. The one question I have is why did they say your senior E5? If your knee five your knee five I don’t care if it’s one day or six years.

Response by PO3 Smokey Bittler made Mar 25 at 2020 12:02 AM

PO3 Smokey Bittler — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:02:09 -0400

Take Seaman apprentice shit bag to the conex box for some counseling. Had this happen more than once in my time, work their asses into oblivion that way they are to tired to complain

Response by CMSgt David Bridge made Mar 30 at 2020 12:30 AM

CMSgt David Bridge — Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:30:08 -0400

Get in his face and repeat the command. Tell him it’s not a request. If he still
Doesn’t comply, I would start discipline action and get with first sgt.

Response by Sgt Jordan Foster made Apr 7 at 2020 2:44 PM

Sgt Jordan Foster — Tue, 07 Apr 2020 14:44:25 -0400

I would kindly step back ask who his Cpl is If I didn’t already know give the work to all of the squad leaders and be in my office the majority of the day. Address a formation at 1630 with a brand new attitude.

Response by SGT David Scafe made Apr 7 at 2020 5:10 PM

SGT David Scafe — Tue, 07 Apr 2020 17:10:16 -0400

I would kill him and bring the two individuals that the Private spends his time with on an island hopping campaign as well as my direct line supervisor! If the private refused to comply I would then have him watch as I killed his teammates on an island, if the Private does not come to the aide of their teammates step it up. I would then get the rest of the squad or platoon and kill them all, while the private watches! Now the trick here is to not order the private after the second time, because now you need to see as well as have the rest of your soldiers see if the Private will just let them die or not! The last important thing is if the Private asked to join them do not let them do it right away, you need to get them to plead with you but not beg and you need to have them tell you why they want or need to join the team! Also do not forget to continuously tell the team they are suffering because the Private to you good to do the same work as them! The Private is more important than they are! The Private sees themself above the rest of them and would not want to bring themself down to the teams level to save them from any pain or discomfort let alone save any of their lives if they have the chance!!!!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2020 12:14 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 00:14:43 -0400

First off I would have never beed that way in formation. I was enlisted for years before going Officer. So based on that information I once...ONCE jokingly smart mouthed my E6 when I was an E4. Something about who should take the trash when he was standing right next to it. I stupidly said "well jump your happy ass up and grab it". The ass chewing came from the other NCOs and Enlisted guys in the truck. I was publicly shamed by my peers. I honestly didn't mean disrespect to my E6. That worked for me for decades. I retired a Major and to this day I regret saying that.
In this case you cant just gut punch the punk. But you can PT his ass along with his E5, E7 and hech toss in his LT. A little group therapy works. Kinda sets him up for publicly shaming himself with their help.

Response by MSgt Joseph Holness made Apr 8 at 2020 10:38 AM

MSgt Joseph Holness — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 10:38:54 -0400

I would respond with "Looks like Private E-Nothing just volunteered for extra duties & details".

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Apr 8 at 2020 11:53 AM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 11:53:05 -0400

Wow! Well, have SNM stand in the back of the formation, dismiss the rest, have SNM report to the company HQ, type up the article/ UCMJ as SNM stands by. Make a talk with your superiors as you hand the Article to them. From there, SNM stands in front of the man, receives his just dues, and you Charlie Mike

Response by PO3 Andrew Kelly made Apr 8 at 2020 12:39 PM

PO3 Andrew Kelly — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 12:39:04 -0400

First off you do not allow yourself to lose your cool. You inform him and his section leader you wish to speak to both of them in your office after formation is dismissed and then complete the task of handing out assignments. Once you have both in private you ask the E2 to explain himself. If there are reasons behind this behavior and the young man has not had a record of this behavior you explain that while you are sympathetic to his situation you also can not let it go and deal with the situation at your level. If he does not have an underlying reason and persists then I would pass him up to the CO for Article 15 proceedings. The section leader would also be asked to explain why this situation had been allowed to get to this point and be made to understand that this was a failure on his part in taking care of his men. At all points be professional and level headed as this will deliver to your command as a whole a confidence in your leadership.

Response by SGT William Bill Turner made Apr 8 at 2020 12:48 PM

SGT William Bill Turner — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 12:48:01 -0400

I was in the Army in the late 60's and I know what would have happened. KP and Guard duty a lot. No off post fun, pulling weeds around Company area on hands and knees and maybe an Article 15 at least. His life would be miserable in general. Don't know if you can do that now.

Response by CPT Tzvi Mejer made Apr 8 at 2020 12:52 PM

CPT Tzvi Mejer — Wed, 08 Apr 2020 12:52:54 -0400

My reaction is very simple: Call the Sargent Major ( in charge of discipline in the battalion) Place the Private under custody for the required time to file the court martial papers by the Sargent that originally had the situation, when the private is presented to me for judgement I would give him the maximum allowed by Military Law to my rank ( Captain ) which is 21 days in the stockade. If his attitude does not adjust after this and the issue is repeated by him I would send him to be adjudicated by the Battalion Commander which may serve him a 6 month in Military prison.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Apr 10 at 2020 5:00 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 05:00:05 -0400

This question has been asked about four times before. You might want to read all the answers given below, if you are new to this problem. Anything from extra duties for this dung heap, to Article 15 procceedings can be brought on this sailor/soldier/airman or marine.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2020 5:39 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 05:39:04 -0400

Drop him

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Apr 10 at 2020 2:38 PM

Lt Col Kevin Wyman — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:38:45 -0400

Pull the individual aside, give ONE and ONLY one chance to comply. If he refuses, IMMEDIATE proceedings for Article 15 action. In addition I would question his immediate supervisor as to why this individual would consider this behavior acceptable and if this is not the first time, what actions he has taken (Letter of Counseling, Letter of Reprimand) to correct the issue. I might also investigate the immediate supervisors leadership abilities (are there other instances with other troops) he/she may need to be replaced.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Apr 13 at 2020 8:49 AM

SFC John Fourquet — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:49:28 -0400

Demand he ends it now and then write it up and apply corrective training. If he continues write it up and demand UCMJ action!

Response by CW4 Steven Bowyer made Apr 13 at 2020 12:00 PM

CW4 Steven Bowyer — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:00:49 -0400

I would give the soldier a chance to reconsider his answer and carry out the directive, while also letting him know that we would have a conversation about this before the end of the duty day to rectify his attitude. If the soldier was still non-compliant I would have the next senior NCO or soldier take charge of the formation and lead the soldier directly to the 1SG's office and we would initiate an Article 15. Do they still have CCF at major installations. CCF did wonders in correcting attitudes.

Response by PO3 John Priest made Apr 21 at 2020 3:47 PM

PO3 John Priest — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:47:57 -0400

Even as an "Rent a crow" E-4, I didn't put up with it, nor will I put up with it today as a veteran/civilian. My first response would be a raised eyebrow and a "Would you like to reconsider that decision there Seaman Apprentice, or would you and I like to go see our Work-center boss (Lead E-5 or E-6) about that after we're done here?" If he continues, we see the lead PO on the project and work our way up the chain, hopefully never getting beyond the Lead PO1 in the division (and I've seen more than a few that could blanch people with a glare). Hopefully that fixes it and we don't have to get the Chief or Senior Chief involved.

If he continues, then I get with my fellow E-4+ and we develop an "improvement plan" for him. Back in the early 80's, Blanket parties were not approved, but still happened, and no one involved talked about it ever. And he gets sent up the chain for further and official "action".

I make it very clear that "I'm not your buddy, I'm in charge/the lead here and I won't ask you to do anything that I wouldn't do (and most of the time I'm right along side of them doing it too). "

Response by CMSgt Dennis Lyon made Apr 28 at 2020 7:16 PM

CMSgt Dennis Lyon — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:16:58 -0400

I’d light him up ya it’s in formation but you better nip this in the bud. If not who’s next. You gave him a task he is qualified to do then do it. If not report to my office with your supervisor right after this and have him explain but in the end it’s his JOB!! You aren’t tasking him with something all of the other troops have to do. Also the disrespect is a no I don’t think so and put a boot in his ASS

Response by SPC Robert Allen made Apr 28 at 2020 11:32 PM

SPC Robert Allen — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:32:03 -0400

IN 68 AT FT.JACKSON A GI COMPLAINED BEHIND ME THE DI THOUGHT IT WAS ME I WAS TOLD TO TENDER THE COAL FURNACE FOR THE NIGHT I TRIED TO TELL THE DI BUT HE HAD MADE UP HIS MIND. SO HE CAME LATER WITH ABOUT 4 OTHERS AND THEY TOLD ME HOW WRONG I WAS SO AFTER WE SHOVELED THE ASHES(HIS WORDS) I LEARNED NOT TO QUESTION JUST FOLLOW ORDERS.EVEN THO I WHIPPED 3 OF THEM THEY THEN BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF ME NO E2 WITH ANY SINCE WOULD CHALLENGE THE E5.IN THE END HIS SQUAD PAYED THE PRICE ALSO BY THE WAY I BEAT THE PISS OUT OF THE DUMB ASS MAMA,S BOY

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2020 12:24 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:24:29 -0400

Knocking him on his ass and a few days of KP. D&C till the cows come home. Swipe his stress card down the crack of his ass and ask for change back.

Response by SSgt Tyrone Reed made Apr 29 at 2020 8:31 AM

SSgt Tyrone Reed — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:31:52 -0400

Give him extra guard duty or blanket party

Response by LCpl Kris Clark made Apr 29 at 2020 9:05 AM

LCpl Kris Clark — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:05:16 -0400

Charged with insubordination

Response by SFC Steve Allen made Apr 29 at 2020 9:38 AM

SFC Steve Allen — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:38:11 -0400

Assign duty to soldier and have him report for counseling make sure he understands that behavior want be tolerated.

Response by SFC Steven Malato made Apr 29 at 2020 11:07 AM

SFC Steven Malato — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:07:39 -0400

Insubordination. Article 15

Response by SSgt Wallace Truesdale made Apr 29 at 2020 12:21 PM

SSgt Wallace Truesdale — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:21:11 -0400

We Talking old Corps when everybody marched to the chowhall, you had to be a SGT. to drive your POV on base, and your CO had to give you permission to get married. We would have whooped that azz..............

Response by Sgt Jon Williams made Apr 29 at 2020 12:36 PM

Sgt Jon Williams — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:36:33 -0400

Discipline

Response by PO2 John Schmahl made Apr 29 at 2020 1:00 PM

PO2 John Schmahl — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:00:46 -0400

Remove them from the group. Give them the task again. If refused, bends and thrusts till they puke. Then Captains mast

Response by SPC Clarence Marable made Apr 29 at 2020 1:02 PM

SPC Clarence Marable — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:02:30 -0400

don't make them do the task , but "DRILL" into them and show them whose in charge "THE FIRST TIME" !

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2020 1:17 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:17:28 -0400

Keeping military bearing and do some counseling. If that doesn’t work, get another NCO, and do paperwork... That’s the way it’s done today, I’d like to revert back a tad to the good ole days...

Response by SSG Bill Guerrero made Apr 29 at 2020 2:26 PM

SSG Bill Guerrero — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:26:24 -0400

I would have it him in position of parade rest and then explain to him the pens mightier then the sword.

Response by SGT Chris Craig made Apr 29 at 2020 2:27 PM

SGT Chris Craig — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:27:17 -0400

Smoke the rest and make him count while not doing anything. His buddies will explain to him the errors of his ways

Response by MAJ Craig Brady made Apr 29 at 2020 2:28 PM

MAJ Craig Brady — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:28:38 -0400

You know what makes me sad?
You! Do! You slimy worm, why don't you chug on over to maby pamby land, where maybe you can find some self confidence and respect! You Jack wagon! Now report to the First Sergeant's office immediately!

Response by SSgt Stephen Board made Apr 29 at 2020 3:04 PM

SSgt Stephen Board — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:04:18 -0400

I've dropped them on their face till they wanted to do the job. Or they can jack their feet up till they feel better about the honorable task in which I've given them

Response by PO1 Jay Sinyard made Apr 29 at 2020 4:56 PM

PO1 Jay Sinyard — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:56:50 -0400

One time I lost it and another time I said sure. Get back in line and we will see what we have for you. Either way it did not turn out well for the E-2.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2020 5:43 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:43:25 -0400

Have him standby after the formation is dismissed to carry on with the plan of the day, talk to him to see what’s going on, and if he doesn’t have anything that sparks a red flag to his welfare and it’s just him being a shitbag, give him a negative counseling and put him on some working parties.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2020 6:00 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:00:41 -0400

It seems like nowadays people are jumping straight to paperwork. I disagree with that in most instances (with a few exceptions). Paperwork I dont think should he a first resort. I'm a fan of a good old smoking and/or putting them on extra duties and details. If that doesn't work then start paperwork

Response by MAJ Jonathan Edwards made Apr 29 at 2020 6:12 PM

MAJ Jonathan Edwards — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:12:54 -0400

Throat punch

Response by MAJ Jonathan Edwards made Apr 29 at 2020 6:14 PM

MAJ Jonathan Edwards — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:14:04 -0400

Major Payne style...one tuby tuby, two tuby tuby!

Response by CPL Josh Bennett made Apr 29 at 2020 6:57 PM

CPL Josh Bennett — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:57:24 -0400

Smoke the entire platoon while i make him SIT and watch, all while every single battle buddy is contemplating his slow death. I want him to see the pain and exhaustion he just caused all of his battles to go through. All because said PVT was only worried about himself. Hed get a quick and hard lesson on how only worrying about oneself could get him killed in battle. Then once the walls are sweating from all the PT id make him scrub the walls clean with the condensation that all his battle buddies just created... I can guarantee all his battle buddies will square him away REAL nicely after that!

Response by SFC Joseph Lowdermilk made Apr 29 at 2020 7:50 PM

SFC Joseph Lowdermilk — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:50:06 -0400

No problem! I have a better task for you!!

Response by SPC Rick Faler made Apr 29 at 2020 11:11 PM

SPC Rick Faler — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:11:08 -0400

That's insubordination and needs military discipline

Response by Sgt Dsn Capote made Apr 29 at 2020 11:13 PM

Sgt Dsn Capote — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:13:13 -0400

Make his life a living hell.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2020 11:29 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:29:47 -0400

Everyone else does pushups while the E2 watches. Then assign the work to him anyway. His”karma” will come soon enough

Response by Jim Carroll made Apr 29 at 2020 11:43 PM

Jim Carroll — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:43:21 -0400

After this E2 does 200 pushups and 100 man-maker I ask him if he knows what he did is wrong. If he fail to respond appropriately, he does 400 pushups and 200 man-makers. Repeat and repeat until he begs to take his assignment.

Response by CW2 Dan Welch made May 5 at 2020 12:34 AM

CW2 Dan Welch — Tue, 05 May 2020 00:34:31 -0400

Keep the Pvt and his team leader after formation, explain how the army works, afterwards write a formal counseling statement. And introduce the young man to the school of the soldier on the weekend/weekends...take his time and continue until his behavior changes...I see no reason to take this fwd to ucmj at this point. Inform psg of the corrective traing plan and carry on.

Response by PO1 Noah Stucker made May 5 at 2020 5:54 PM

PO1 Noah Stucker — Tue, 05 May 2020 17:54:40 -0400

'59 to '79, when I was in, it would've out of sight and taught the error of his ways!!

Response by LCpl Donald M. made May 5 at 2020 10:52 PM

LCpl Donald M. — Tue, 05 May 2020 22:52:52 -0400

When I Went into the Marine Corps If You were that stupid try to give an answer like that you would very quickly find yourself picking yourself up off the ground and still do what you were ordered to do. Y would not even think about trying that ever again.

Response by 1SG Tommy Hackney made May 6 at 2020 10:49 AM

1SG Tommy Hackney — Wed, 06 May 2020 10:49:57 -0400

had this happen one time in 26 years! i put his ass on "Auto-Scuff" and the problem never repeated itself.

Response by SMSgt Robert Anderson made May 6 at 2020 7:10 PM

SMSgt Robert Anderson — Wed, 06 May 2020 19:10:44 -0400

I’d explain to him what an Article 15 will do to his career. I would also restrict him to the base for a short period of time.

Response by SSG Elizabeth LeMere made May 7 at 2020 8:38 AM

SSG Elizabeth LeMere — Thu, 07 May 2020 08:38:55 -0400

there may be an underlying issue higher command is seeing you are not? An order is an order, you really don't have a choice and this is the time to try and decipher their reason of logic. Maybe your being tested?

Response by MSG Dale Fairbanks made May 7 at 2020 12:55 PM

MSG Dale Fairbanks — Thu, 07 May 2020 12:55:54 -0400

I have a young troop in my formation who was a bit of a smart ass. I put him up front to lead PT. After that session he kept his mouth shut. Once he realized the load that you carry being in front of the troops, he gained a new insight.

Response by PO3 Gorge Kleine made May 7 at 2020 2:02 PM

PO3 Gorge Kleine — Thu, 07 May 2020 14:02:23 -0400

It is clear that PFC is testing the waters. To overreact would make me seem hot headed or insecure. This is the perfect opportunity to show "shitbird" and the entire company that I am neither.
This is when a dead on confrontation needs to be avoided. I would agree that he might not like to follow orders and do the assigned task and give him a simple choice. 1. do the assignment or 2. Explain to the C.O. why he feels he is above following direct orders.
Then address the rest of the company explaining my expectations as a leader and the consequences of failure to follow reasonable orders.
Then explain that as a team they have responsibilities to each other. If and when there is such a repeat it will be the entire group that gets "team building" experience.
I have always found that peer pressure is more effective than command process.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made May 8 at 2020 12:14 AM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Fri, 08 May 2020 00:14:57 -0400

If I out rank them I will tell them one more time then if they tell me to stick it again I will with the plt. sgt and the plt. ldr write them up if I am the plt. sgt I will process them for article 15's.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made May 8 at 2020 2:09 AM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Fri, 08 May 2020 02:09:18 -0400

I'm sure reading a lot of 'touchy-feely' bullshit from you newer Vets.
GySgt. Pepper had it technically correct, PO1 Gibbens had it physically correct. Nobody wants to do the crap jobs, but when you're E-1 to E-3, guess what? That's your jam! It's the dance you do. Don't like it? Gain rank or GTFO. Before securing the formation, I'd choose my senior E-3 (The most terminal rank 'Grand Old L/Cpl Of The Marine Corps' salty fuck in the unit and order him to go do it in PFC Shitbirds place... PFC gonna learn after 16:30!

Response by SPC Ismael Pinto made May 8 at 2020 10:04 AM

SPC Ismael Pinto — Fri, 08 May 2020 10:04:11 -0400

i would insrtuct him to report to the company commanders office at 1300hrs and have the company clerk to draw up paperwork for ucmj action disobeying a lawfuull order of an nco and derilection of duty, afterwareds i wpuld hold a mandatory meeting with my platoon to let them know this shit isnt going to slide, We work as a team and that means ladi doti and everybody

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2020 3:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 May 2020 15:01:02 -0400

Having been in that situation many years ago, it was: "Beg your pardon, I am a bit hard of hearing" followed by "Okay, not a problem, stand fast after I dismiss everyone" After everyone else is dismissed we go into the shop office where our CW4 Platoon Leader dwelled and said Private repeated what he said in response to my order. Chief asked if the door to the office was locked and I affirmed that it was. And what followed was one of the most spectacular non-physical, low voice volume ass chewings that I had and still have ever seen and heard that was a combination of remedial physical fitness training and detailed explanation as to the error of the ways of said Private and a caution that if the situation repeats itself said Private's military service, if not ended, they would be hard pressed to see additional rank. The Private in question came away with a better understanding of what to say and what not to say when an NCO gives them an order. Said Private, by the way, became a Warrant Officer later on and retired as a CW4 themselves. I came away with a lesson learned that one doesn't always have to be loud, forceful or resort to killing trees to correct an individual in helping them to see the error of their ways.

Response by MSG David Lambert made May 9 at 2020 12:10 PM

MSG David Lambert — Sat, 09 May 2020 12:10:21 -0400

Had a similar incident happen as a 1SG. One of my PSG’s passed assignments to Sqd Ltd E5, who in turn gave the assignments to Sqd members. One PFC was obviously having a bad day. Turns out he was totally insubordinate and was brought to my office. Turns out he’d been diagnosed with HIV. The insubordination was his reaction and acting out. He was immediately referred to our assigned PA, to begin a process of counseling, medical assessment and treatment. Assignments were altered to accommodate his new Chronic medical condition. He’s non-deployable and like many autoimmune patients had a dramatic increase in sick call attendance. Soldiers are our most important resource. Caring for them requires, as leaders, acute attention to details. Discipline is only considered after, all facts are investigated.

Response by Sgt Edward Kaufman made May 9 at 2020 11:17 PM

Sgt Edward Kaufman — Sat, 09 May 2020 23:17:18 -0400

The reasons for carrying out orders & doing your job should have been drilled in at basic along with the consequences of insubordination. The entire reason for training in the armed forces is so that the entire team does their job under the stress of combat, not doing YOUR job can & DOES get everyone killed. This "Deuce" was not weeded out already ??!!! It's now on YOU to lance this boil .

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 2:54 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2020 02:54:59 -0400

This is a very difficult subject. If you are the E5 you must discourage this behavior immediately (albeit respectfully). I faced this situation on a number of occasions when I was a squad leader on prior enlistment (1988 - 1996). It isn't easy to do, particularly when many of the soldiers are your friends, but it is absolutely necessary to correct this behavior. If this isn't dealt with, your soldiers will begin to think that this is appropriate behavior and it will become the norm, and discipline will become lax jeopardizing the unit.

As an example, I am currently deployed as a surgeon on an FRST at a FOB in Afghanistan; our Detachment Sergeant is extremely lax with our enlisted soldiers, and our commander has been complacent with this. As a result 6 months into the deployment, they feel at ease being disrespectful to all members of the team by means of smart remarks, eye rolls, insubordination, etc. For example, a specialist challenged our orthopedic surgeon about whether or not he should perform a surgery on a combat injured patient. While I don't think it is out of malice, their behavior is inappropriate and unchecked. Our soldiers sleep in frequently and spent their day watching TV, Youtube, and playing video games. When they are given reading assignments for educational lectures they frequently neglect to complete them. Due to the complacencies of the command and breakdown of discipline, ultimately mistakes are made that compromise the mission and the safety of the team. For instance, our detachment sergeant left a loaded M4 in an unsecured vehicle. It was eventually discovered by another soldier and returned. The negligent soldier faced no reprimand or disciplinary action.

So in answer to your question, take the soldier aside, counsel them on their inappropriate behavior, and assure them that if the inappropriate behavior continues they may face punitive action.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 6:52 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2020 06:52:00 -0400

1969 Basic at Ft Jackson we had lots of people who really did not want to be there. This private would have been pulling KP, fire watch, cleaning toilets, ..... till he had a real attitude adjustment.
Another option is to let the squad or platoon handle the E2. Discipline the entire unit for the attitude of this individual. Extra tasks, pre-PT test (run laps, do push-ups..). Extra patrols, guard duty...

Response by SPC Randall Wirth made May 10 at 2020 12:29 PM

SPC Randall Wirth — Sun, 10 May 2020 12:29:05 -0400

I was a smart ass but not until I made E-4 and had a combat tour (not just a deployment) under my belt. That being said, even though I was a smart ass and made jokes I still followed lawful orders. Didn't matter what I had going on upstairs or back home. Work was work and fun was fun and even though my NCOs knew it was harmless and I always followed lawful orders I still got the shit smoked out of me for opening my trap. After the smoking was done we had a good laugh and I still got my ass back to work. Obviously PV2 shitbird hasn't earned that right yet so in the time being put his dick in the dirt or out of the army but one way or another this problem can be resolved pretty quickly.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 12:43 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2020 12:43:48 -0400

Such a blatant show of disrespect must be dealt with immediately, quickly, and with direct brim to brim , eye ball to eye ball motivational manner..Everyone but this E2s fire team, or squad leader is dismissed, for a heart to heart discusion.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made May 10 at 2020 6:47 PM

SPC Franklin McKown — Sun, 10 May 2020 18:47:51 -0400

Drop for push ups NOW or meet SP4"nutjob" later
I WAS Sp4 "nutjob"Scouts are tight FOR A REASON.

Response by PO1 Richard Nyberg made May 10 at 2020 7:58 PM

PO1 Richard Nyberg — Sun, 10 May 2020 19:58:30 -0400

Well back in the 60's and 70's he would spend a lot of time on KP and guard duty

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made May 10 at 2020 8:11 PM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Sun, 10 May 2020 20:11:00 -0400

As an NCO , 1st step -Oral counseling(praise in public/criticize in private), consult with the Platoon Sgt. about it so they know. and can advise. 2nd time -paper -write up consult with Plt Sgt again , 3 rd time - either another write up or a write up to start Summary Art 15 proceedings of course again keep platoon sgt in loop and then it goes to the Lt. for ok to go to CO for art 15 proceedings. Keep your ducks in a row, I don't know if there are racial differences or other things, so keep this official with command in the loop. Do not want to put yourself in a crack, or be looked at on the same level as this fool

Really the oral counseling better work, if you feel you can't reach him, explain to Plt. Sgt. This stuff needs to be stopped. Can always go indirect too and get E-4's to reach him. The Spec 4 Mafia often carries more weight and alot of times privates listen to them more. Also it is the "lazy" way , LOL, The 4 's already know.

Last couple years in (and then 4 years in the Guard) I refused many E-5 boards to stay a Spec 4 I did not want all the bogus performance reviews,baby-sitting privates ,having your balls put in a jar, etc. God. if a new E-2 disrespected me in an official capacity(or even off duty in a serious way ) , they would find out real quick, which side toast is buttered on and who butters it. I carried some weight in unit , and off-duty, and off post. plus I was a BAMF. Would have been a bad idea to cross me, I have had to explain that nicely to such persons, a few privates (even a couple Lt.'s LOL) before . They fell in line or they were basically started on the way out the Army. Such people need to corrected quick because they will not change otherwise , And if you don't so something that soldier is probably going to step on their dicks to the wrong people, or phuck up, and will be out the door.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 8:28 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2020 20:28:57 -0400

I have experience being an E2 and have mouth offed to a senior E5 and was smoked everyday for 6months straight. I learned the hard way. Well I since then I have had an E2 smart off to me as an E5. And what did I do? I smoked him, I got ahold of his team leader and smarted off to him too, and nothing worked. Well to make a long story short he got drunk and had a few under aged woman in the barracks and I promptly told my E7. I flew under the radar and he was discharged fast as fuck. Trust your leadership, do things under the books and take care of it. Chances are that that E2 has dirt on someone and that someone is a bitch and let that E2 walk over them. Be different. Fuck that private up, your chain of command will look the other way unless necessary

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 9:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2020 21:08:29 -0400

"well pv2 dumbass you have several options. first, you can do the task ordered to you and you can like it, second, you can do the task ordered to you and NOT like it, third, I can smoke the dog $hit out of you and then you do the task anyway, or fourth option, I can take your pay with an Article 15. Oh, btw if you pick the last one, your life will suck for a LONG time."

Response by Sgt John Acuna made May 11 at 2020 12:43 AM

Sgt John Acuna — Mon, 11 May 2020 00:43:30 -0400

I totally agree with Gunny Sgt then make sure it goes on his permanent record
for his future job apps.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2020 12:31 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 May 2020 00:31:00 -0400

Disrespect to an NCO and insubordination. Put it on paper, explain to them they will do the task you have ordered them to do because it's their duty to obey all lawful orders. If they fail to do it or continue to bite back, put it on paper again and recommend UCMJ for the individual. Then pursue admin separation if their attitude doesn't change.The military has enough problems than to deal with individuals who clearly can't adapt to the military lifestyle. Of all the issues in my life, I never let it affect my professional interactions with superiors. What does it say about our military now that FNG's come in and start stomping on leaders from the get go. I don't believe a bad marriage is an excuse to disrespect people or that there is any excuse that justifies that kind of behavior but I am pretty aggressive when it comes to perceived slights.

Response by PO1 Stan Robertson made May 12 at 2020 6:27 AM

PO1 Stan Robertson — Tue, 12 May 2020 06:27:08 -0400

Years back, (about '74) I was an E-4 in the Navy. Boatswains Mate. I had a kid that defied almost every order given him. Back then, we had a "procedure" known as "lay forward to the Bosuns Locker" Everyone onboard sort of knew you didn't get called there for a social occasion. I had this kid escorted to that place, and once there, the hatch was dogged. What happened next was that the person evidently, "fell up a ladder". It never took more than one visit to get him/them in line. Nowadays, I'm guessing the Navy no longer tolerates this kind of thing. But it sure did work.

Response by MAJ Mark Steskal made May 12 at 2020 10:46 AM

MAJ Mark Steskal — Tue, 12 May 2020 10:46:13 -0400

So! The E2 is bucking for E1? Mass punishment does not seem appropriate because I don't read that the Platoon is acting that way and may not effectively roll downhill to the PFC. Since it is no longer PC to take them out back and thrash them, Office Hours (Non Judicial Punishment) becomes the default for that sort of blatant crap. If you can't hit them in the gut, hit them in the wallet. Set the example so that it won't happen again.

Response by CPO Donald Crisp made May 12 at 2020 10:47 AM

CPO Donald Crisp — Tue, 12 May 2020 10:47:06 -0400

Although I never experienced this type of blatant disobedience, I would have snatched him out of formation and straightened out the attitude problem first, followed by a Captain's Mast under Article 15. The straightening technique would have been determined by when and where we happened to be located at the time i.e. at sea, homeport or port of call. But it would have been a significant emotional event, I can guarantee that.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made May 12 at 2020 1:23 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Tue, 12 May 2020 13:23:10 -0400

To “CPL (no name) who said the private should be given a chance to explain his insubordination, I say - What?
The private already told the sergeant to shove it and you think the sergeant should “Mommy” him? If he was told once and refused, then told again and tells the sergeant to shove it, charge him with insubordination and let the chips fall where they may. There’s no “strike three”.

Response by CMSgt Marshall Ray made May 12 at 2020 6:49 PM

CMSgt Marshall Ray — Tue, 12 May 2020 18:49:39 -0400

I'd pull him out of formation and have a personal gofor for the day. After I dismissed the formation He would be handed the UCMJ and directed to research every article which pertained to his insubordination. Then he would write his letter of reprimand until it met my expectations. Next formation he would read it out loud and sign it. I would then chew them all out for allowing one of their own to be so ignorant and stupid.

Response by CPL Matthew Cervantes made May 12 at 2020 10:43 PM

CPL Matthew Cervantes — Tue, 12 May 2020 22:43:01 -0400

I'm thinking the proper response would involve a minimum 4 mile "jog" after hours in full combat gear. Most definitely appropriate UCMJ action and a proper size [boot size] suppository. But that's just me.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made May 12 at 2020 11:58 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Tue, 12 May 2020 23:58:54 -0400

I am assuming that this is NOT the Marine Corps. If it were the Corps, there would be hell to pay. Every other Leatherneck would be helping to "tune up" Pvt. Schmucklefuk. Being it is most likely the Army. Send him to his room for a "time out" and take away his X-Box for a week. Just kidding. ARE YOU FRIGGING KIDDING ME ??? Set this young piss ant straight, in no uncertain terms. EMI (if there still is such a thing) comes to mind. Extra duty. Have his ass on the carpet and let him know how close he is to an entry in his SRB. Pain builds character and improves the memory. Imagine this type of garbage in a combat situation. Discipline is for EVERYONES benefit. It helps keep people ALIVE.

Response by SGT Andrew Howard made May 13 at 2020 12:33 PM

SGT Andrew Howard — Wed, 13 May 2020 12:33:11 -0400

I did something similar in 04 in the navy. My BM1 e6 gave me an outstanding wall to wall counseling session. It worked. Things have changed and when I got out in 11 as an e5 I'd make sure there isn't something major going on, then do paperwork. Anything else opens you up to punishment yourself now.

Response by CPT Raymond W. Starmann made May 14 at 2020 11:58 AM

CPT Raymond W. Starmann — Thu, 14 May 2020 11:58:13 -0400

Once upon a time the E2 would have been wall to wall counseled by a NCO. My first day in my old unit, 4-7 CAV in Germany the CSM was wall to wall counseling a PFC who had gotten a DWI. If the PFC would given him lip he probably would have been stuffed inside a claymore and then it would have been detonated! I hate to say the 80's Army was the old army but I guess it was the way things have changed.

Response by PVT J Leonard made May 14 at 2020 12:31 PM

PVT J Leonard — Thu, 14 May 2020 12:31:53 -0400

While I did respect military bearing, I fell victim to this situation. I was ordered to participate in a unit of event, game called PushBall, basically a 5' diameter beach ball that plays similar to rugby. At the time, I was rehabbing a knee injury and second follow up surgery, and a current ankle grade 2 ankle sprain. Drs had written me a temporary level 3 pt profile to avoid activities that would put the recovery at risk. I politely asked what was involved from the E-6 I was under, he refused to answer. I politely reminded him of my drs activity restrictions with a copy of paperwork in hand. He steps away, brings over the acting First Sergeant, an E-7, and another E-7 from support, and the three of them proceed to tell me in front of several other soldiers that they are now giving me a lawful order to participate, refusing will result in an Art 15 hearing. I participated, and as a result, blew my left ACL in my left knee. When that was confirmed by an MRI a month later, and a call from my Ortho surgeon to the company asking why I was ordered to participate in the first place, those 3 NCO's started to threaten me with a second Art 15 for violating my PT profile, and other accusations. Three of the other soldiers that witnessed these NCO's order me in the first place stepped up as witnesses in my defense. Over the next 2 months, all of us ended up with Art 15s for some other issue. Cant say every insubordination is right, I can say that, depending on the chain of command, there can be a lot of damned if you do, damned if you dont, and just plain damned.

Response by Cpl Joe Terry made May 14 at 2020 5:43 PM

Cpl Joe Terry — Thu, 14 May 2020 17:43:05 -0400

I can only say that, in the Marines, that kind of shit is often times taken care of by that individual's barracks mates! I remember an instance where we were unloading the trucks after a 30 day trip to the field and one of my men was slacking off. I was in no mood for his shit and offered to take him out behind the Comm. shack. Never had any more problems with that individual!

Response by Cpl Joe Terry made May 14 at 2020 5:45 PM

Cpl Joe Terry — Thu, 14 May 2020 17:45:04 -0400

Of course that was back in the "Old Corps"! Just the same, you do what you have to do, to get the job done!

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made May 14 at 2020 5:53 PM

MSG Danny Mathers — Thu, 14 May 2020 17:53:09 -0400

Easy answer, take the E-2 aside away from the group. Give him a lawful order and if he still refused, present him to the chain of command and recommend UCMJ.

Response by Sgt Able Snider made May 14 at 2020 6:23 PM

Sgt Able Snider — Thu, 14 May 2020 18:23:32 -0400

Not very well.

Response by CPT Peter Peter made May 14 at 2020 9:46 PM

CPT Peter Peter — Thu, 14 May 2020 21:46:05 -0400

I don't know the gravity of the situation. I would start with counseling telling service member and give extra duty. If this continue, demotion is sure. Tell him if you want to serve well, you don't want a black mark in your record because it will harm your service. Sometimes, strong will person if get directed to a right direction they can excel well.

Response by SP6 Yanrique Joseph made May 15 at 2020 10:36 AM

SP6 Yanrique Joseph — Fri, 15 May 2020 10:36:50 -0400

Is that really a question?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2020 2:13 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 May 2020 14:13:41 -0400

Well in respect to Army Discipline, I would have him fall out to the rear of the formation; bring him Parade Rest and have him stand in that position until the end of formation. then have him go to his designated work place and have him sign a Counseling Statement for disrespect and place it in his company personnel folder. He is on his way to an Article 15.

Response by MSG Ron Radar made May 15 at 2020 2:38 PM

MSG Ron Radar — Fri, 15 May 2020 14:38:54 -0400

Been there done that . Flat out this type of behavior tends to be very contagious if not zeroed out at light speed . I joined when Ford was president and then got Mr. Jimmy Carter's fun rein soon after , military moral and discipline was a very strange animal during those years . There were officers and NCO's who were just marking time to retire and those who were all gung ho and the one's who knew their jobs and did them to the very best of their ability's without being screaming mimi's or overly harsh in their bearing . That being said I was lucky for the most part having true professionals to learn from ( Still had some of the others as well but not many ) . One thing I learned was that yelling and screaming in front of the platoon at an individual tended to have a negative effect on the troops ( Except for when I was a D.I. ) BUT ordering them to stand fast while dismissing the remainder of them to their duties was something that the men who had been serving under me understood was not something that you wanted to have happen . Depending on how loud and or vociferous the troop was while " debating " my orders set the manner to which I proceeded with correcting said troop's reminder of the fact that they were in the military and subject to not only the UCMJ but to the platoon / company and battalion he was serving in . I'd keep said troop cooling his heels while I had a discussion with his squad leader ( as his squad leader he would have more recent background info about him than I would ) after that I would proceed with the troopers attitude adjustment . It was always made very clear to them that there was NO place for any action other then compliance with lawful orders ....At this point in time things could go " MANY " different directions as people do tend to act different , if said troop was amenable to moderate discipline and correction of his negative attitude then things were kept to the minimum necessary . However I did have some who required harsher means of correction ( I always regretted having to up the ante as I felt it reflected on my leadership skills in a negative manner , personally as well as militarily ) . I had two who required artical 15's to get the message across , both times I had to have the LONG discussion with Top and the Co. commander ( Never fun ) ! I reckon that the point I'm trying to make here after being so long winded is that this type of behavior MUST be nipped in the bud immediately as well as taking the time reflect on how you personally could have done things better to avoid this from even happening in the first place . Simply reacting without thought will almost always lead to more trouble down the line in my experience . I've never understood how people who " JOIN " the military can feel they don't have to follow lawful orders if they're not in the mood , and or how they got through boot camp and AIT without this attitude being dealt with before they ever reached their permanent unit .

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made May 15 at 2020 5:12 PM

SP6 Greg Jetter — Fri, 15 May 2020 17:12:00 -0400

You must be in one hell of a piss poor unit , in my day (age showing over 60) the other privates standing on either side of him would take care of him for his behavior , if you pissed off a NCO and you were a private and did it in formation you were going to get a complete ass rearrangement , no one wanted the kind of heat that would result from not only this NCO but every other one in the unit.
Heaven help this fuck wad if this was an active combat forward area , he might not make it out with all that he entered with if you get the drift. Has the military become such Pussies this would ever happen , if so lord save us when the next load hits the fan ..... Glad i'm not you , one of my troops did that , the MP's would hall his ass to the stockade wile formation was still on so the other troops could see , if the CO was feeling extra kind that day the private would get sent to "Retraining Platoon " at the fort stockade ... think "BUDS" hell week , but no swimming for 90 days instead of just confinement and dishonorably discharge.

Response by SA Michael Moore made May 15 at 2020 7:21 PM

SA Michael Moore — Fri, 15 May 2020 19:21:23 -0400

As a Midshipman at USNA in the 60's, there was a Plebe who had done something wrong and was stopped by the Midshipman Officer of the Watch (MOOW). The MOOW was a senior nearing graduation. They (the Plebe, the MOOW, and the MOOW's orderly, another Plebe MOD) were all wearing Tropical White Long uniform. They all wore shoulder boards. The MOOW began chewing out the Plebe something fierce while the plebe stood rigidly at attention in a brace. Finally, the Plebe reached over to the MOOW, quickly unsnapped, removed and held the MOOW's shoulder board to his head like a telephone and shouted into it "Beam me up Scotty, it's getting hot down here!".

Response by A1C Lisa Casserly made May 15 at 2020 10:32 PM

A1C Lisa Casserly — Fri, 15 May 2020 22:32:50 -0400

Well, my first impression as a mother is to slap the holy hell out of the little snotbag. But. Hmm. I'm pretty sure that's the wrong answer. And, I finished out as an A1C, (got out when pregnant, back in the later 1980s) so I didn't take NCO leadership classes. And, besides, Lol. I seem to have a little bit of a temper. Which I DO control pretty well. Mostly. The correct answer is that you take the little darling and his supervisor to a quiet place or make the place you are at more private by sending everyone else away. You inform the little darling that this is not his Mama's house, nor is it a democracy. He has not been promoted to General, either. How he believes this after Basic Training, is anyone else's guess. Usually those problems are taken care of there. You can point out to your insubordinate little trooper that he has broken military law, and is behaving in a manner unbecoming, as well as having terrible military bearing. And, gee, isn't it just TOO BAD that he signed that enlistment contract, NOT UNDER DURESS, therefore he has already agreed to follow all lawful orders, and this is one of them. Should he choose at this point to be difficult and not obey the order, there will be consequences. Serious consequences. It reflects poorly on the supervisor, and he will be dragged down with the little snotbag. (You probably shouldn't CALL HIM a little snotbag to his face. That's for later on.) You have the right to punish him for insubordination, and perhaps you should, by writing paperwork, and I'm sure the supervisor will be happy to find some unpleasant little chores for him to do, also.

Response by SSgt Charles Mitchell made May 15 at 2020 11:16 PM

SSgt Charles Mitchell — Fri, 15 May 2020 23:16:29 -0400

Article 15 for insubordination.

Response by SGT J M Porters made May 16 at 2020 9:30 AM

SGT J M Porters — Sat, 16 May 2020 09:30:01 -0400

This a simple answer. You give him the worse assignment. Then you ask him to remain after formation. This is a teachable moment for him. Remember some people want to be in charge but do not know how to do it. If he is teachable then you get him on the program. Remember when you know who you are barking dogs do not bother you. And you always have Tops to bag you up!

Response by SPC Steven Garcia made May 16 at 2020 9:35 PM

SPC Steven Garcia — Sat, 16 May 2020 21:35:34 -0400

The Army had changed so much, I wound up finishing my time in the Army National Guard. In many ways, that was worse. But that worse was in a shorter period of time. 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks in the summer. Thank God, I'm retired. I hope that things have gotten better.

Response by SGT Philip Klein made May 17 at 2020 4:53 PM

SGT Philip Klein — Sun, 17 May 2020 16:53:11 -0400

1. What the fuck is a senior E-5?
2. If this really happened, start the necessary activities that get him out. That’s what he wants, clearly.

Response by SSG Derrick Iozzio made May 17 at 2020 5:57 PM

SSG Derrick Iozzio — Sun, 17 May 2020 17:57:48 -0400

I do not condone the "hands-on" counselling, but when I enlisted being disrespectful was a sure way to receive that counselling. I have sort of seen the end results of those foolish enough to do so. I do not know if people have changed or the military has- but questioning orders and being disrespectful seems to be the norm- there have been quite a few posts about this. When a person enlists, they should know or be made aware that they are to follow orders and practice military discipline which includes respect for those who outrank you. In the question posed above, I would use the praise in public, punish in private approach if the situation warrants it. Sometimes a quick on the spot correction is warranted.

Response by Thomas Bryant made Jun 2 at 2020 12:54 PM

Thomas Bryant — Tue, 02 Jun 2020 12:54:04 -0400

first id figure out the most sorriest job to be done tell the platoon that that will be there job for next three days but I will walk out the door and let them decide if they want to do it or they going to take care of the problem of this E2 and he do what he was told or they will be doing the shit job

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jun 6 at 2020 6:03 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 18:03:10 -0400

You tell him to stand fast! not to move, go ahead and hand out the rest of the jobs,
Take him to the side for a few min and talk to him or her. at this point I would need more information, , I would first need to know is he normally like this?
is this, or is this not his normal behavior?
if it not his normal behavior , I would talk to him to find out what is going on in his personal life.
did someone just die in his family?
is his wife having a AFFAIR?
His KID sick?
ETC
if this kid is just a normal dirt bag , I would have a very special JOB line up for him, if he refuse to do the normal job I asked.
there always cleaning of the shit tanks needing done.
there are those jobs are just waiting for a kid like him.

then of course there your Standard Counseling,
when Counseling a jJunior Member always have a witness with you when you are Counseling.
you know the drill, you start with the verbal,
then go to written page 7 documentation, showing he been counseled, depending on the service hit them with that Captain Mast or Artical 15 it usually Straightens them right out, nothing like hitting them in the pocket book to make them think twice .

Response by LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin made Jun 8 at 2020 9:14 PM

LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 21:14:44 -0400

We are looking at a Field Grade Article 15.

Response by PO1 Milton Wiseman made Jun 9 at 2020 6:46 AM

PO1 Milton Wiseman — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 06:46:15 -0400

I had this very thing happen. A 2nd class petty officer informed me that he was enrolled in school and would not stand his watch, I simply said, you will stand your watch as Assistant Squadron Duty Officer as assigned and relieve your shipmate on time or be placed on report. At 0130, I received a call from the on duty watch stranded informing me that he had not been relieved. I instructed him to call the super and make a duty log entry. 0630 the following morning I contacted the senior section leader who happened to be his workcenter supervisor, I advised him of the situation and that it was my intent to write him up for failure to follow a lawful order, failure to maintain a valid recall number. This AE2 was taken to captains mast and told the Commanding Officer that he had informed me that he was not going to stand the watch due to his off duty school schedule. The C.O then advised him of the punishment he decided to implement for the violation of the UCMJ, it was as severe as regulations allowed as the sailor was a E5. (AE2) and as such had shown a complete disregard for good order and discipline as well as conduct unbecoming a Petty Officer. This poor excuse of a NCO decided he wanted a court martial and according to regulations, his wish was granted, it ended his career. There is no room for malcontents in any branch of the armed forces, and no place for leadership that tolerates it. As leaders, officers or NCO's it is our duty to maintain good order and discipline and if the service member fails to change, well then it is our duty to help them find the door, their service is not needed. Just a true fact and thought

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Jun 9 at 2020 10:56 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 22:56:31 -0400

I had a similar incident. I asked him to do a simple task then went on to my other duties. Came back after a bit and he was sitting on his dead duffle bag. I ask if he got done what I ask of him. He said no and I'm not doing it. I'm giving you a Direct Lawful Order to complete the task. He replied that I can't make him do it. If your refusing to obey my order then I will put on report under the UCMJ. Before I could do it he ran to the 1st SGT and don't know what was said and I explained to the 1st SGT but the 1st SGT sided with him. I went to personnel and submitted my paper work for retirement. I wasn't going to deal with these snot nose kids still tied to their moms apron strings, I'm done.

Response by SMSgt Matthew Hoyer made Jun 10 at 2020 6:12 PM

SMSgt Matthew Hoyer — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:12:00 -0400

"I am giving you a lawful order. This is not a polite suggestion. Should you fail to execute it, you are not just breaking a rule and being a rebel; you are committing a crime. Because of that, i have no problem seeing you prosecuted to the full extent of the military justice system, up to and including dishonorable discharge, which i will recommend to the Commander. Do not fuck with me on this again."
After dismissing everyone else except Amn Dickhead and his supervisor.

Response by Sgt Ronald Paden made Jun 10 at 2020 8:11 PM

Sgt Ronald Paden — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 20:11:00 -0400

Well that’s a sure fire way to be permanently assigned that job after his squad leader showed him how to do it

Response by SSgt Wayne Graff made Jun 10 at 2020 11:04 PM

SSgt Wayne Graff — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:04:21 -0400

Backhand him across his face.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 1:10 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 01:10:46 -0400

You give private shitbag some special attention. Because unfortunately you have no control over how they act but they have 100% control on how you are viewed. Make an example of them and smoke the daylights out of them. You earned your rank by putting in that hard work, don’t like some jackass try to make that look bad. Plus it shows that you don’t play any games so that Private jackasses friends don’t catch the same bs with you either

Response by TSgt Pernell Pelican made Jun 12 at 2020 10:07 AM

TSgt Pernell Pelican — Fri, 12 Jun 2020 10:07:08 -0400

Not only will he do it, I will give him extra duty on his weekends.

Response by A1C Keith Whitmore made Jun 13 at 2020 11:03 AM

A1C Keith Whitmore — Sat, 13 Jun 2020 11:03:06 -0400

Well, I really don't know. For one thing when I was in there wasn't even anyone would have the nerve to tell the DI to shove it. Kids now a days have no respect for anyone older. Hell, they even want to call you by your first name instead of your rank. You did that when I was in you would get one shit detail after the another. Razor blading the day room comes to mind, I had to do that myself once with a gang of other boots. From personal inspection, from then on my body hair was shaved and away from the collar. Anyways we all learned about that detail. You learn or the DI would think up something worse. And, there was always something worse that their evil mines had thought up. :) So, you send this dipshit on a detail that he will learn something, like maybe not to question authority. Sending him home isn't going to teach him squat. No one ever got sent home when I was in the service, that was never in the answers. You either made him a soldier to follow orders or if you did get booted out it was less than honorable service. And, that will follow you through life. How can you get a good job with that hanging over your head? Who would want to hire you? You'll get one low paying shit job after another just because you didn't want to follow orders while in the service? How asinine can you get? Huh?? And, how can you live without HONOR. Since I got out, honor has been on the top of the list for me to follow. The jarheads say once a Marine always a Marine. While that may be true, but here's my version of that. Once in the Military, ALWAYS in the military. That followed me so far and today I celebrate my 73 birthday, no longer that dumb ass boot that joined up when he was 18 and just out of high school. And, I was only in for 4 years, and my service followed me this far, and, I don't see it changing. Honor, respect, is where it's at in my life. The thing is if more people joined the military there would be less of the crap that is going on in the civilian sector, now. And, that is where honor & respect comes in. If more civilians had it, you think all the crap that is going on now. Would still be going on? These countries that have mandatory military service don't have the grief with the civilian population like we got. And, it has to start soon here. Or we're going to go down the tubes. Even though I am now a civilian, I don't feel that way. I always say that I'm ex-military, and if you don't like the way I think or talk better get use to it because that's the way I am. Oh, and I can still dead center at 100 yards with iron sights.

Response by SFC Popz Beckwith made Jun 14 at 2020 5:07 PM

SFC Popz Beckwith — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 17:07:09 -0400

The Thinking Position works every time.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2020 11:56 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 23:56:42 -0400

Calmly and deliberately take him to the side and choke slam him. If you're an officer you instruct the PSG to choke slam him.

Response by TSgt George Rodriguez made Jun 15 at 2020 4:25 PM

TSgt George Rodriguez — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:25:59 -0400

Inform him in front of the others while still in formation that it was not a request but a command, then ask him is he willing to suffer the consequences of refusing a direct command. This notifies the formation that your not playing games and you will take necessary steps to rectify the situation legally. He now has the choice either obedience or suffer the consequences.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2020 4:50 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:50:57 -0400

Lots to unpack here as they say.

What’s the Command Climate like?
Is the PV2 a problem child?
What’s the PV2s TL like (motivates/think they are a DI/a turd)?

For the sake of argument, command climate is good, PV2 has no previous discipline issues, and TL is good to go.

Everyone but TL and PV2 go execute. You two stand fast. Along with the TL we need to find out what’s going on in PV2s life to cause the outburst. I’ve seen home issues explode at work (kid(s) on their nerves, spouse does nothing but blow money and loaf, etc). More often than not, good mentoring (and follow up) fixes the issue.

Absent more info I can’t move directly to high intensity corrective training.

Response by SGT Patti Kelly made Jun 16 at 2020 10:56 AM

SGT Patti Kelly — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:56:15 -0400

This was an issue for me whenever getting a new soldier into my platoon. They would see a 5’2” woman with freckles and red hair tell them to do something, not a NCO. They would be told to stand fast and reminded quickly that they in the wrong in strong and determined lanquage. That soldier would be my “shadow” for awhile and shown how to be a proper soldier until I felt the soldier was deserving to be an individual again. I was lucky enough to have a platoon of great soldiers to back me up in disciplining the soldier, not physically, but letting the soldier know he was out of line.

Response by MAJ Bob Firth made Jun 17 at 2020 8:58 AM

MAJ Bob Firth — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:58:10 -0400

Is this the first incident? What has been the PV2s prior performance? Is this out of character? With these questions answered You can then frame an appropriate response. If the first offense, release the rest of the formation. Get a reliable witness to be in the area (sad that it has come down to this), put PV2 at parade rest and tell him to keep his c#^k holster shut. Tell him he was completely out of line and then future episodes will be dealt with quickly and appropriately. Review the performance standards for the task set out for him, then have him back brief you. When he has completed the task you will personally inspect to ensure it has been completed to your standards. After completing the initial task, as long as it takes, explain the PV2s position within the unit and that his conduct was unacceptable. Further instances should be addressed with progressive discipline maybe starting with corrective training which will take place on the PV2's own time.

Response by SFC Steven Miller made Jun 17 at 2020 9:47 AM

SFC Steven Miller — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:47:01 -0400

I would make a correction to his military bearing right on the spot in front of his peers and then frim up his role in the squad/platoon scope and tasks.
Then follow up with a one on one later that day.

Response by SSG S. Wilkerson made Jun 18 at 2020 3:26 PM

SSG S. Wilkerson — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:26:58 -0400

I just want to know wtf a senior E5 is. I'm pretty sure that is still a junior NCO

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Jun 18 at 2020 4:34 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:34:44 -0400

Immediate counselling is the answer. Something that goes into their jacket for the whole time they are in that unit.

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Jun 18 at 2020 5:26 PM

SP5 Derick Johnsohne — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:26:12 -0400

never happened to me personally, but i remember one smart mouth who was 'detached' to stockade for a while . he was 'converted' . when he came back, we never heard his loud smart mouth again .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 12:45 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:45:39 -0400

I’d chew him out in front of the formation, and inform him to come see me after formation to sign a counseling statement. In the old days I would have smoked his ass in front of the entire formation. 3 counselings for the same offense is grounds for separation from Servive .

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 1:27 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:27:36 -0400

Well it sounds like your new E1 needs some wall to wall counseling.

Response by SSG Rob Lawrence made Jun 19 at 2020 3:30 PM

SSG Rob Lawrence — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:30:18 -0400

I would offer them two choices, just as my old 1st Sgt would do. I would tell them this is an order. You can choose to obey the order or you can choose to ignore it. I would then tell them if you obey the order, everything will be fine. If you choose to ignore the order or disobey the order, I will recommend you for an article 15. I will then explain to them that once they have been found guilty at the Article 15 hearing, I will make sure they are aware they will be found guilty at the article 15, they will suffer loss of rank, forfeiture of pay, extra duty and restriction to post. I will then ask them, what will it be, doing what I order you to do right now, or suffer the consequences later. I have not found anyone yet stupid enough to opt for an article 15. Should they have ever been stupid enough to opt for the article 15, the way I would ensure they would be found guilty is by calling another NCO over to witness me give them this order. Having a witness ensures that upon the hearing for the article 15, it won’t be my word against theirs.

Response by Sgt John Metcalf made Jun 29 at 2020 10:02 AM

Sgt John Metcalf — Mon, 29 Jun 2020 10:02:47 -0400

Article 15. As a non-commisioned officer I expect immediate compliance to all my orders. If you think you are in a democracy in the military you might just as well learn now that is not reality. Stripe losing time, period.

Response by CPT Olen Ridling made Jul 10 at 2020 12:17 PM

CPT Olen Ridling — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:17:19 -0400

On the spot & immediate correction. If that includes having his/her sorry ass dragged away - they should have considered such before opening their stupid mouth. When I was an E-2 my NCO would have decked me for such.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Jul 14 at 2020 10:15 AM

COL Carl Jensen — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:15:37 -0400

Article 15? In my time it was still a different Army. An NCO might have kicked the crap out of him. We had many WW II left overs as NCOs. Geeez, I never though I would be a military dinosaur, and here I am now. I can't believe how fasts time has flown by and how they changed. How soon before we defund the military? Green Lives Mater too.

Response by LCpl Joyce Morris made Jul 16 at 2020 3:47 PM

LCpl Joyce Morris — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:47:37 -0400

Pull that maggot right out of formation and take him/her behind the paint locker and express your leadership skills until that little shit shows respect. The military is no place for coddling momma's little spoiled and selfish brat. If that military personnel behaves like that, someone will die in a war type situation in the future if that situation is "ignored," not to mention that leader will lose the respect of everyone currently and in the future under his/her command. Think about it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2020 6:59 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:59:58 -0400

In a unit with the right culture, the soldiers feel pressure from their peers to perform at a certain level and with a certain attitude. Therefore, soldiers that are tenured in the unit have already displayed attributes that are fitting and beneficial to unit culture and it is very unlikely they will act in this way. The NCOs should not have to worry about things like this. If the soldier is new to the unit and displays characteristics that are not a good fit to the culture, remove them from the position and place them somewhere else.

Response by SPC Richard Moya made Jul 16 at 2020 10:11 PM

SPC Richard Moya — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:11:12 -0400

These days it’s hard to react for the fact that we have been taken our rights away from disciplinary action . Before if you disrespected your commander you were dealt with, not good

Response by Sgt Ed Beal made Jul 17 at 2020 8:31 PM

Sgt Ed Beal — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:31:07 -0400

That e2 should be doing 2 or 300 yes hundred pushups, for each offense . IF YOU JOIN THE MILITARY it is your choice so SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Jul 18 at 2020 11:29 PM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Sat, 18 Jul 2020 23:29:30 -0400

I never actually had to deal with that kind of insubordination, thankfully, but I agree it does need to not be allowed to slide. Closest I came to that was getting corpsmen & Marines to do housekeeping chores without a major battle. In that instance reverse psychology worked well, but it wouldn't in this situation. This requires clear assertion of expectations, as others are saying, with a specific consequence for failure to comply, and willingness to carry through on that consequence. To let 1 slide is to invite repeats from him, and from others as well.

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Jul 19 at 2020 8:24 PM

PFC Stephen Eric Serati — Sun, 19 Jul 2020 20:24:24 -0400

I would have the 2 pvts stay after formation and then finish handing out assignments. Then I would instruct them on military code of conduct on insubordination .Then send them on their way to their assignments .I would talk with Squad Leader.If behavior continued pen and paper,thePlatoon Sergeant would become more involved, next time the Platoon Leader ,from here article 15.Youll become a professional toilet room cleaner then You'll get to learn about the beautiful Mess Hall. Where they will teach U the sacred art of peeling potatoes.Where U will become a professional potato peeler.

Response by GySgt Robert Peak made Jul 20 at 2020 6:23 PM

GySgt Robert Peak — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:23:40 -0400

Well private, (no longer PFC), I am sorry you feel that way. Maybe you can take the next 30 days of restriction to reflect upon it.

Response by TSgt Andrew Harper made Jul 21 at 2020 1:30 PM

TSgt Andrew Harper — Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:30:10 -0400

Have the entire flight hit the deck and 50 pushups

Response by MAJ Stephen Zglinicki made Jul 24 at 2020 5:29 PM

MAJ Stephen Zglinicki — Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:29:40 -0400

March the scitbird straight up to the 1SGT (a 1SGT with gonads) explain what disrespect entails, remind scitbird the he/she is in the Army, transcribe onto a singed counseling statement and set the pace for the next idiot act scitbird does!

Response by CPL Kenneth Allen made Jul 28 at 2020 7:28 PM

CPL Kenneth Allen — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:28:17 -0400

Direct order then artical 15

Response by SSG Travis Pacheco made Aug 7 at 2020 7:35 PM

SSG Travis Pacheco — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 19:35:54 -0400

The answer I'm supposed to give, by current rules and regulations, is that I would counsel the SM after formation, and continue counselings until either SM learns to do as they are told or SM is involuntarily discharged. My real answer is that Soldier would end up either strong or smart. Do as you are told immediately or beat your face 'till I am tired. Granted, I'm Combat Arms, disobeying orders in the motorpool is as serious as disobeying orders in a firefight. There is a reason, other than just time in service, why I am a Staff Sergeant and that Soldier is a Private.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2020 9:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:25:03 -0400

Start with a summarized article 15. Taking his time away for wasting everyone else's time might set his attitude straight, if that doesn't work you can always escalate it

Response by SFC Walt "Butch" Deal made Aug 20 at 2020 2:55 PM

SFC Walt "Butch" Deal — Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:55:46 -0400

No problem. I call them to the position of Attention and then march them to the 1SG's office. I leave them at Attention while I explain their transgression to the 1SG. I feel confident that the 1SG will assist them in seeing the errors of their ways.

Response by Sgt Mervyn Russell made Aug 21 at 2020 10:03 AM

Sgt Mervyn Russell — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:03:28 -0400

50 years ago this would not have happened in the Marine Corps. You were conditioned to do what you were told to do. You carried out the command or you would stand tall in front of your chain of command. I've never seen this happen.

Response by SSG Paul Forel made Aug 21 at 2020 1:45 PM

SSG Paul Forel — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:45:52 -0400

Brown Boot response or MVA response?

Response by SGT Ted Hooban made Aug 23 at 2020 5:01 AM

SGT Ted Hooban — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 05:01:39 -0400

Put the mouth in front leaning rest. Explain to him that if you assign this to another sailor, the mouth will remain in this position until the other sailor returns. Do you want to rethink your response? You can also lock his heels, and explain to him that he can stand right here until the job is done, and do not send anyone else to do it, but that depends on how long you have to play that game.

Response by CPL David Rasch made Aug 23 at 2020 6:16 AM

CPL David Rasch — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 06:16:01 -0400

In the old days(I enlisted in '71) it would be squad punishment-sometimes pretty hard stuff. Then if the guy had a blanket party....
I don't think that stuff happens now.

Response by CPL John McCulley made Aug 23 at 2020 2:29 PM

CPL John McCulley — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 14:29:43 -0400

To paraphrase1 of my NCO's from 3d Batt (Ranger) in the 80's, a great NCO who taught me a tremendous amount, he would be pushing Georgia down to Florida! In addition, since you say it was in formation, & therefore a public challenge to authoroty & discipline, I would sacrifice my Sat to spend time with him improving his military discipline. My 1SG in 3d Batt regularly held "School of the Soldier" on the weekend for those who had screwed up.

Response by SPC Michael Terrell made Aug 24 at 2020 1:44 AM

SPC Michael Terrell — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 01:44:36 -0400

I had an E8 come into my room to tell me that he had just volunteered me to move tables for the Chaplin. I had just worked over 60 hours in the previous three days, and had only been back at the barracks for about 15 minutes. He didn't like my answer. My work involved precision timing and working with high voltage. I averaged 140 hours per 14 day cycle. There were four others who could have done the job, but he was trying to provoke me into a fight, to Court Martial me. I refused to take his bait. I was an Engineer, not a lackey.

I was so exhausted that I was shaking as I told him that I wanted to speak to the Inspector General. He moved those tables. By the time the dust settled, he came close to being reduced to an E1, while the commanding General put my SP4 pins on me. This wasn't long after I was pulled out of bed after another three day shift to fight a forest fire, while sleep deprived.

It is one thing not to want to take an assignment that you don't like. It is another thing to refuse to be abused. That last year of active duty pretty much destroyed my heath, but no one gave a damn. It was at the Army's Cold Weather Research Center in Alaska, in the early to mid '70s.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Aug 25 at 2020 3:56 AM

Sgt James Gross — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 03:56:59 -0400

Tell him in private that he either obeys orders or faces disciplinary action either as Art. 15 or Courts Martial for disobeying a lawful order. The choice is his.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2020 7:25 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 19:25:20 -0400

I would simply note, old thread that this is, that it isn't an officer issue. I used to go to Cp Pelham in the ROK every time one of my drunk-ass troops was policed up by the MPs in the local ville. The theory was (and it proved out) that if the Troop Commander showed up personally to get the lad in the middle of the night, the MPs might lighten up on the blotter entry. I ALWAYS took the 1SG (who relished even less than I did jeeping over to Cp Pelham from our Cp Garry Owen. After we got out of the gate of Pelham, Top Daly kicked the drunk-ass troop out of the jeep and we slowly wended our way back to Cp Garry Owen with the troop trailing behind, stopping occasionally to "clear his system of the dog that bit him." When we were sure he was emptied our, we piled him back into the jeep and picked up the pace. When we finally got back to our Cp, I'd ask Top ... anything you need me to do on this one? Invariably, the answer was "no sir, I've got it." On the [rare] occasion that I asked what he did, he told me "sir, I made him an integral part of my wall locker." That method of administering justice probably wouldn't float in these days of "safe space" and "feel good" ... but it sure saved a lot of troops from getting an adverse mark on their records ... and some of them went on to be fine NCOs in our Army. To the issue in this thread ... IMV it is purely an NCO issue ... and no higher than E7 at that. Don't wake me up for it.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Sep 9 at 2020 4:11 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:11:54 -0400

Really, back to this subject again? If you have a smart mouth in your squad, platoon, company, etc. Just give him/her a blanket party or the worse details for them to complete by themselves. Extra strenuous PT would also be in order. But people, please get on with another subject.

Response by SSG Ivan Centola made Sep 17 at 2020 8:07 AM

SSG Ivan Centola — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:07:52 -0400

DROP!!!! Start pushing the ground. I then turn to the section leader and have him drop alongside the PV2. After 2 minutes I tell the section leader to get up while PV2 Dipshit is still pushing as I enquire why a PV2 is being so out of line. I give the option to the first-line supervisor to handle disciplinary actions (delegation of authority) and inform him/her that I want a complete briefing on corrective actions applied. If the attitude continues the actions will become much more severe with even the possibility of Article 15 and separation.

Response by PV2 Joseph Myers made Sep 17 at 2020 10:30 AM

PV2 Joseph Myers — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:30:24 -0400

I think that today’s soldiers lack an understanding of how badly insubordination can go, I have seen a number of posts that would illustrate how the situation would be handled in my day. I even got to witness how my NCO’s dealt with it, it was not very pretty.

Response by Sgt Dennis Krizan made Sep 17 at 2020 11:51 AM

Sgt Dennis Krizan — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:51:13 -0400

Had it happen from an E3. He kept saying bs & intentionally getting out of step, saying this is all bs. I gave 2 warnings to him while marching, then halted the formation, left faced everyone, told him in a very calm manner if he keeps any of this up, I'll see he loses whatever rank possible & is fined the max allowed for every violation I could come up with, directly impacting his wallet & I have around 40 other witnesses standing next to him. He was not a problem after that. I forget where we were going but it was a bit of a long march. It was at NCO training/school, so I just now wonder if it was a test, this was 40 some years ago.

Response by SSgt Ron Breier made Sep 17 at 2020 4:28 PM

SSgt Ron Breier — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:28:34 -0400

In formation?!!! Maximum punishment you can deal out.....don't want any of his Buddies to think they can do it and escape consequences!

Response by SFC Derek Peterson made Sep 18 at 2020 10:30 AM

SFC Derek Peterson — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:30:21 -0400

If the infraction was in public, address it in public.
Immediately issue commands:
Group-attention, half-left face, front leaning rest position move.
Now that I have your attention,...
Explain chain of command, leadership positions, how every one of them will be in your position in the future, then go into explaining insubordination.
After 10-20 four count push ups, inform pvt shithead that he will stand fast once everyone is dismissed, everyone can personally thank him for the additional physical training later at their convenience.
Once assignments are identified and the unit is dismissed, immediately go full on drill sgt about lack of respect and insubordination loud enough for others to hear. Direct pvt shithead to stand at parade rest in front of the 1SGs office, double-time, and wait for you.
Consult with 1SG behind closed-door, while shithead waits, to discuss options of counseling statement or AR15.
You need to take immediate action and send clear message to entire unit that such behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.
Been there, done that, positive results.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Sep 18 at 2020 11:58 AM

SGT Gary Tob — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:58:18 -0400

In my day, in the Vietnam era: drop and give me 50. Then article 15 with a few weeks of KP duty

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2020 2:02 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 14:02:32 -0400

Today's military? or 35 years ago when I first entered ? The answer definitely would not be the same.

Response by CW3 Dale Campbell made Sep 18 at 2020 6:22 PM

CW3 Dale Campbell — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 18:22:54 -0400

I stopped reading at the second sentence “You’re a senior E5”. WTH does that mean? You got passed over on the E6 board or never got recommend? A Command Buck Sergeant CBS?

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Sep 18 at 2020 8:07 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 20:07:46 -0400

Maybe it was a brain fart that just occurred, dismissing the squad, you pull the young man out of formation, you have him follow you away from any one watching or listening and have a few choice words, find out why the outburst and go from, it could be bad news from home, a girlfriend, could be something so small that this person was in over his head, and took it out on you, not knowing what just took place and have him apologize and give him a stern warning not to do it again, next time it won't be a stern warning, but could go on his military file, give the guy a break and watch him closely, keep tabs on that person you never know what's bothering him

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Sep 18 at 2020 9:42 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 21:42:57 -0400

I had a similar experience. I first ask, then demand and finally had to give a Direct Lawful Order. The Soldier still refused to do the task. So I proceeded to file charges against the individual for Disobeying a Lawful Order. I forget the UCMJ Article but after I filed the charges the individual ran to the 1st SGT who inturned drop the charges. I don't know what to took place between the individual, 1st SGT and the Commander to this day and it's been 24 years ago. So I went and submitted my retirement papers and retired. If I wasn't retireable yet, I would have requested a transfer. Nothing but a little snot nose twrap still tied to his mother's apron strings. I'm done and no time for this garbage. In your case you have an extra charge as well. Being disrespectful. PO1 George Martin! Get the manual on Court Martials. They are service specificate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_for_Courts-Martial

Manual_for_Courts-Martial

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Sep 20 at 2020 11:56 AM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 11:56:07 -0400

This is tough, back in 1975 or so you’d be privately disciplined, but in this day that would be a career ender. First thing is the company Gunny needs to know your dealing with a shithead, and you need his advice and support. I’d take his entire squad and continue to give them the shittiest of details, I’d make them suffer as a group and let them correct the Private’s attitude. It is a team game after all and your only as strong as your weakest link. I’d firmly explain that to them and have them thank Private Shithead. I might even article 15 him on a second in fracture, and I’d take his stripe, his money and restrict him to quarters. This is the kind of problem guy, that doesn’t carry enough water on a ruck because it’s heavy, his rifle looks like shit as would his magazines. He probably falls out of runs and is in general a slacker. If it gets to a 15, the Company Gunny takes over making him miserable to the best of his ability. If he’s still a problem you muster his ass out and send him home with a General. There’s no time to suffer fools, be gone.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2020 2:46 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 14:46:42 -0400

You need to establish your authority, given to you, by your rank and position. If a New Troop/Sailor/Marine/Airman/ Space cadet.. whatever, you need to stop that behavior at once. If being polite / respectful will not work, then adjust your leadership style.
If that individual Tells you to "shove it" .. you need to destroy that individual. Through either Corrective training/ Administrative Actions/ or any other means you have t your disposal.

Also if you are unable or unwilling to perform as a Leader, then maybe some self reflection is needed. Ask yourself.. Do you have what it takes to LEAD? If Yes, then what do you need to do to step up. If the answer is NO, then admit it , and remove yourself from that Leadership position

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2020 4:30 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:30:18 -0400

Read the room. Sometimes it's a chance to build relationships with your formation. If not...making everyone else in formation push while he stands there chillin is always a good way for the herd to fix their own.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2020 1:04 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:04:38 -0400

Time to get in his face and let him know in no uncertain terms that he was given an order and he will comply period and now. Anymore back talk and we start with him getting an AR-15, restricted to barracks, extra duty and lose of some money AND HE WILL Follow orders I gave him NOW.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Sep 21 at 2020 1:37 AM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:37:36 -0400

Start a paper trail. First time a verbal warning as the pattern hasn't been set yet. Second time a letter of counseling in this individual's file. Third time brings action through the first sergeant, fourth time from squadron commander. If it goes past the squadron level that individual's career will be VERY short.

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Sep 21 at 2020 9:04 AM

SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:04:58 -0400

Our E2 in question is in serious need of correction and I would not hesitate to do the correction, sadly I then would be in trouble!! When I was an E2 there was no leeway in regards to following an order, you either complied or you received an Article 15 and probably booted out of the Army!

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Sep 21 at 2020 10:11 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:11:35 -0400

Wall-to-wall counseling is appropriate, yet can backfire in intended outcome. Best is to talk with the young butterfly wings alone to understand how he feels and thinks, because some privates erroneously assume that their smart ass attitude will help them be noticed. It is our responsibility as leaders to assure the butterflies that they are an integral part of our animal kingdom and that their achievements will speak louder than their words or inappropriate behavior. If the private accepts this verbal counseling as guidance to succeed then, no further action will be needed. However, if the matter continues then, make the verbal counseling a written warning that such inappropriate behavior will result in UCMJ action. I personally doubt the matter will be treated without need of written counseling. I believe in process and, not jump to any extreme on the outset.

Response by SSG Ken McClintick made Sep 21 at 2020 1:36 PM

SSG Ken McClintick — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 13:36:47 -0400

Good question in today's military. I recall from years past a story passed on to me from a career Army soldier....rose to E8 Master SGT who retired out as a Captain. As a Pvt. he once grumbled about something he was directed to do from a Corporal. He told me the Corporal threw a punch that sent him horizontal, seeing stars. That was discipline in back in the day and it worked.

Response by SGM Harvey Boone made Sep 21 at 2020 1:38 PM

SGM Harvey Boone — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 13:38:39 -0400

Make sure his immediate supervisor is aware of problem them assign him the task he "Will be accomplishing and in a timely respectable manner" also indoctrinate him in the customs, regulations, respect as well as how he is to carry on. and what is going to happen if he doesn't comply.

Response by SPC Jodi Harbroe made Sep 21 at 2020 10:08 PM

SPC Jodi Harbroe — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 22:08:28 -0400

I am too well aware that there have been significant changes to military regulations but I was not aware that there had been a change to following orders, respect, etc? Yet this not the first time this year issues like this have been posted here. There is a reason why you have to keep your mouth shut and follow orders in the military, for example it could save your life. I fail to understand where this lack of respect is coming from. If troops do not want to comply with military regulations they need to be discharged. Further, after the election, I am hoping to see an improvement in benefits offered to troops, for example, during Vietnam we were given $45K for our college education and over the years that benefit has been significantly cut when it should have been increased given the significantly higher cost of a college degree. I have already discussed this issue with my senator. In the 1960's/70's $45K would pay for a Bachelor's degree at every school excluding Ivy League. Today, it won't pay for 2 years and that is no motivation for troops to join. There do need to be changes to current military regulations to attract a quality soldier and after this election we should be able to make those improvements.

Response by LTJG Richard Bruce made Sep 21 at 2020 10:42 PM

LTJG Richard Bruce — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 22:42:58 -0400

When I heard about such an attitude, and I knew about everything going on as Dept Head, I would have a very short private quiet conversation in my stateroom. "You work for me. You will do what you are told when you are told to do it, correctly. You're dismissed." Life aboard a 378ft ship can be fun or quite miserable. JO's stick together and support the Chief's lounge. Misery will quickly be applied.

Response by PO3 Dennis Bullard made Sep 22 at 2020 4:31 PM

PO3 Dennis Bullard — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:31:53 -0400

Article 15 and let the officers determine if it is some kind of emotional/health issue. Ours is to do and not ask why.

Response by PO3 Dennis Bullard made Sep 22 at 2020 4:34 PM

PO3 Dennis Bullard — Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:34:06 -0400

Give his/her ass an article 15 and let the higher ups determine if it is necessary. Ours is to do and not ask why.

Response by SPC Kerry Good made Sep 23 at 2020 4:52 PM

SPC Kerry Good — Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:52:26 -0400

Wait until duty is done & beat the crap out of him, next time he will know you mean business, if not black bag him!

Response by Sgt Jacob Ouren made Sep 23 at 2020 5:42 PM

Sgt Jacob Ouren — Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:42:48 -0400

Well... I’d get that shitbag to grab his e-tool. Because I NEED to know he knows how to dig a fighting position correctly. Then I’d make sure he knew how to dig a second one correctly then a third, because you don’t really know how to do something right until you can do it on your own correctly at least twice, if they refuse then it’s time to start paperwork. No second chances let him be an e-1. F@&$ him.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2020 10:24 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Sep 2020 22:24:45 -0400

I've been that E-5, in just about that same situation. In my time, we couldn't do what NCOs in the recent past could do. We did have options. You can report for extra duty until your mind is right, or you can take an Article 15 for failure to obey an order and disrespect...which may involve a short vacation at CCF. I was merciful enough to explain these options in a voice loud and forceful enough to be convincing, strongly suggesting option A.

Response by 1LT David Preston made Sep 24 at 2020 2:08 PM

1LT David Preston — Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:08:50 -0400

I agree with the praise in public, punish in private EXCEPT in the field or on deployment. Set the expectation of this difference when they join your team. In garrison, excuse everyone except the mouth & their squad leader. Junior enlisted will get what they need and their peers will know what is coming as the example they need. In the field, snap their head back with quiet fury and rip them and their squad leader a new one after the mission. In garrison it degrades morale: in the field it can get people killed.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Sep 26 at 2020 5:24 AM

SPC Brian Stephens — Sat, 26 Sep 2020 05:24:47 -0400

There was a fellow Specialist who told an E-5 to F off. That Sgt. didn't mess around and had that Specialist arrested, charged, convicted, and sent to Mannheim for about a month.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2020 5:28 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Sep 2020 05:28:46 -0400

I dunno, throw a blanket party?

Response by SPC Rob Hunker made Sep 26 at 2020 4:08 PM

SPC Rob Hunker — Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:08:51 -0400

This kind of disrespect/disobedience cannot be tolerated and must be quickly corrected. I would make sure that the private understands the Rank structure/chain of command, and explain to them what an Article 15 is. Then I would PT their ass to death so that they would never think of doing it again.

Response by SFC Joe Walsh made Oct 7 at 2020 1:55 PM

SFC Joe Walsh — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 13:55:47 -0400

This type of behavior usually resulted in wall to wall counselling. In over 21 years, there was only 1 scheisskopf under my authority that didn't come around. I had to resort to psychological warfare for him but I got him.

Response by Sgt Demarest Newman made Oct 17 at 2020 2:43 PM

Sgt Demarest Newman — Sat, 17 Oct 2020 14:43:53 -0400

I grab the loudmouth by his nose, pull him out of formation and make him give me 50.

Response by Sgt Demarest Newman made Oct 17 at 2020 2:45 PM

Sgt Demarest Newman — Sat, 17 Oct 2020 14:45:20 -0400

Grab him by his nose and make him get down and give me 100.

Response by SP5 Ward Posey made Oct 18 at 2020 11:27 AM

SP5 Ward Posey — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:27:37 -0400

He would bleed on "my dirt".

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Oct 18 at 2020 8:56 PM

Cpl Vic Burk — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:56:48 -0400

You can't let a subordinate get away with this behavior no matter what. It will fuel problems with everyone because if Pvt. $hithead got away with the rest will say, "If Pvt. $hithead doesn't have to do it, neither do I." First start with a simple questioning of why the subordinate is acting this way. I think everyone deserves a second chance to make good of their actions. This may fix the problem but if it fails and he still refuses to see the error of his ways he asked for it, so give it to him. Office hours (article 15) with a recommendation to the company commander the maximum sentence plus extra duty. If you are in a combat situation though, forget the second chance. Find a way to get rid of this one immediately by whatever means you can.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2020 4:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:56:11 -0400

Platoon, ATTENTION! Half right, FACE! Front lean and rest position, MOVE! Problems have a way of working themselves out after that.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2020 6:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:44:20 -0400

I ask this why is this even Question! New sub standards in military! If they don't out rank you they do as told..... run your lips and you may get the boot to face! With the lack of respect Soldier's have now a days is unreal you correct it on the spot then, so everyone can learn that it is not the thing to do. If you feel there are reasons for the temporary loss of mind then talk in private with him. Good leaders always train,teach, and care for their Soldiers

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Oct 19 at 2020 10:05 PM

SSG Dave Johnston — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:05:50 -0400

The same way I always did

Squad/Platoon; HALF right face; extend to the right,,, MOVE... Front leaning rest position.... MOVE... In Cadence.... Exercise... 1.2.3.-1, 1.2.3.-2, 1.2.3.-3, 1.2.3.-4, 1.......up, 2.......up, 3.......up,4......up.....
Position of attention..... MOVE, assemble to the left..... MOVE
This demonstration of authority has been brought to you by..... PVT _________________. feel free to have a chat with him at your leisure; FALL OUT

This worked well until a kinder, gentler, mandate came down from the "X-Perts" the "Not-Square" building people listen to.

Response by CMSgt Marshall Ray made Oct 20 at 2020 10:37 AM

CMSgt Marshall Ray — Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:37:18 -0400

Article 15. Begin the process to eliminate him from the service.

Response by PO1 James White made Oct 22 at 2020 12:43 AM

PO1 James White — Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:43:27 -0400

Step 1: Look the individual right in the eyes and ask, "What the fuck did you just say?" If corrected, move on. If not, Step 2: Have the individual stand fast after formation and personally counsel, they still have the assignment though. If corrected move on. If not, Step 3 take them to the next senior person in chain of command, where documentation can begin.

Response by MSgt James Bowers made Oct 22 at 2020 12:19 PM

MSgt James Bowers — Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:19:51 -0400

While still in formation, I pull the next highest ranking and direct him to go start the reprimand paper and confer with Command to start reduction in grade for refusal to follow an order, willful disobedience, and dereliction of duty.

Response by SGT David Reed made Oct 22 at 2020 1:55 PM

SGT David Reed — Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:55:12 -0400

They will push until I get tired, during formation, Then I will explain my expectations for him or her again.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 5:23 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:23:47 -0400

"smart mouth" is really broad term .. its hard to answer because it really depends on the situation like if its just me and my team then I break his balls .. but as a leader whenever I got a task order etc for my team we would think it out and tackle it out as a team I obv would have full veto power .. now if we were in a company or platoon formation I would shut that person up and after I would remind that you cant do that when people are around.. you see as a team leader especially you need to know your guys very well which I did and they knew me very well . A lot of guys that get promoted to E-5 forget what it was like to be a Joe for some reason and go on a power trip ive seen to many times to count. they way I was that when were alone as a team or one on one etc we can say and do whatever but when people are around or there's work to be done we get after it.. I cant tell you how many times ive seen a shit job or detail come down and the E-5 just sends his joes out while he does nothing . like I said before when its just me and my team we all come up with a solution together and we cover for eachother .. Bottom line is it all depends on who is around and what the situation is .. like I said especially as a team leader you should know your guys like you would your wife and they should know you so if they just had a death in the family or a financial problem or their girl was cheating etc you know about it and lay off them if possible and let your squad leader know hell even the PLT sgt if you have to .. bottom line is and one in a position of leadership that leads through fear and intimidation is shit bag plain and simple and there is too many of those in the military .. YES I know my spelling and punctuation is atrocious

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Oct 23 at 2020 10:08 PM

SGT Michael Hearn — Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:08:48 -0400

When a trainee called me PFC I had him pushing ft. Benning back to Texas but for this a counseling statement 1st offense 2nd offense Article 15. Most will learn there military bearing quickly after 100 push up

Response by Neal Chamberlain made Oct 23 at 2020 10:52 PM

Neal Chamberlain — Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:52:08 -0400

This is where I weigh in as a civilian with a 66 year career. So much of the daily activities of active members ( and Guard on drill) constitutes rehearsal for any occasions when things "get real". When I worked management jobs in the civilian world, telling senior staff to "shove it" was an excellent way to find the door in the worst possible way. From talking with my two military children, I know there are protocols for objecting to direction. That is no different than etiquette in the civilian world. Where it gets crucial is when lives are at stake.

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Oct 24 at 2020 8:38 AM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 08:38:29 -0400

How would I handle it? The old fashion way....

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Oct 24 at 2020 10:32 AM

SSG Ken Potts — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:32:17 -0400

You tell him to stand fast and dismiss the rest. You then take him somewhere and smoke the dog shit out of him. After that, you tell him the next time he does it, it will result in UCMJ action.

Response by SSgt Paul Millard made Oct 24 at 2020 5:02 PM

SSgt Paul Millard — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 17:02:53 -0400

Frankly this is not a reprimand in private situation as cpl P mentioned. Complaint and insubordination was public making it seem to the rest of the squad that assignments are optional and that disrespect will be tolerated.
1st inform the insubordinate E2 of the consequences of disobeying a legal order, in front of the team. The reason to do this is one, to have multiple witnesses of the incident if needed in the future, and also impress on the rest of the team that you are handling this within regulations and will be handled the same way if any other individual feels the need to be insubordinate. 2nd- Time for some team motivating activities or restrictions to allow the team to assist in adjusting the error of the the E2's ways. Squad punishment has a way of impressing the right attitude on problem children. Lastly, if there is not a conciliatory response from the E2 move to formal article 15 ( or similar) punishment. Zero tolerance for this type of BS since the next time he refuses could mean the safety or lives of others. The military is a dangerous business and not time to let individuals think they run the show

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Oct 25 at 2020 6:36 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 25 Oct 2020 18:36:09 -0400

Rip his head off and shit in his neck.

Response by MCPO Gabriel Gador made Oct 25 at 2020 10:18 PM

MCPO Gabriel Gador — Sun, 25 Oct 2020 22:18:30 -0400

Easy. Just extend his working hours for a month or two and hold on to his qualification for advancement until he gets his act together.

Response by SGM Jeff Bullard made Oct 26 at 2020 1:46 PM

SGM Jeff Bullard — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:46:11 -0400

I think if a PFC is talking back to you and telling you to choose someone else, then that kind of paints a background story of how he was introduced to the platoon and squad. It tells me that there could be an underlying issue with Soldiers and NCO's being buddy buddy. That will never workout, if a Soldier will not take an order from you when there's very little on the line, then how will he obey your orders in a combat situation.

Response by SGM Kenneth Stanton made Oct 26 at 2020 5:35 PM

SGM Kenneth Stanton — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:35:16 -0400

1st I would call everyone to attention & advise PFC Name & team leader to stand fast and everyone else continue on with there assigned work details. Then I would march them both to the 1SG's office & have PFC Name wait outside while T/leader & I have a discussion with the 1st shirt (I would 1st find out if I can rep;ace him( I would explain why). He then would to go back to his work detail. Now I would bring in PFC Name (dress him down good) & then see if I can get him a Company article 15.

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Oct 26 at 2020 9:48 PM

SPC Randy Torgerson — Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:48:29 -0400

What the hell has happened to the Military? In my day, if an E2 said anything other than "yes Sgt" he would go to the firing squad.... ok, not quite but damn close. I'm assuming this really happened.... Seriously, what has happened to our military?

Response by SSG Craig Newton made Oct 27 at 2020 4:39 PM

SSG Craig Newton — Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:39:41 -0400

I got out in 1992 and he would still doing push ups.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Nov 8 at 2020 3:37 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 15:37:30 -0500

First off. Stop what I am doing and all my focus is on this individual. Order him to do this task and assign another task as well. Document the issue and look for trends. Back in my day he would be assigned some extra curricular activities they call hazing today.

Response by CPO Joseph Malay made Nov 17 at 2020 7:38 AM

CPO Joseph Malay — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:38:12 -0500

Sadly it all depends on the race and/or sex of the service member .......... It also depends on branch of service too ....... My career is in jeopardy if I make a mistake here ........ .a lot of these situation are long in the making with a lot of advice from sea/barracks lawyers .....

Response by MSgt Danny Derden made Nov 20 at 2020 6:34 PM

MSgt Danny Derden — Fri, 20 Nov 2020 18:34:03 -0500

I had that happen once but the guy was an E4 who somehow arrived at the conclusion that he had special privileges. Basically I EXPLODED right there, in his face and told him in no uncertain terms what I would do to him if he EVER spoke to me in that tone or manner again. Sure it wasn't exactly 'professional' demeanor (especially in today's military) but it damn sure was effective, the dumbass practically shit himself and fell all over himself apologizing and excuse making at which point I told him to go get himself together and then report back to me when he had regained his self control. We set things straight between us and for the remainder of our time together he was a good troop.

Response by SSG Leonard Cartwright made Nov 24 at 2020 8:50 PM

SSG Leonard Cartwright — Tue, 24 Nov 2020 20:50:13 -0500

Ok... their is no more close door counselling so thats out the way...complete what your doing that will give you time to process what just happen . As a NCO you should know your solders who is a dirt bag and who is squared away ,so you can ask him what the problem is directly after you dismissed your formation, he does not need an audience. That will take you down to option call the chaplain or chapter 13 .
I using chapter 13 because if theirs nothing Emotionally wrong with him ( wife had an affair) or something he just an a#$ hole and doesn't deserve to be their and nothing you do will change that.

Response by 1LT Bill Pieczara made Nov 27 at 2020 1:06 PM

1LT Bill Pieczara — Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:06:56 -0500

Tell him that out of respect for a 1st Lieutenant, and the NCO that instructed him to perform the task he will compmply or he will suffer disciplinary action, not shy of Article 15.
1st LtWJPieczara

Response by MSG Allen Ness made Dec 6 at 2020 5:27 PM

MSG Allen Ness — Sun, 06 Dec 2020 17:27:20 -0500

Crush it publicly and forever. If you have people to spare put someone else on the mission, change to pts and smoke him all day. Let the rest of the unit see you crush him. They should all day, "there but by the grace of God, go I."

Response by SGT Daniel Merriman made Dec 18 at 2020 7:58 AM

SGT Daniel Merriman — Fri, 18 Dec 2020 07:58:30 -0500

In the 82nd as an E5,I would have put him in the leaning rest until he ETSed

Response by SSgt Daniel Batista made Jan 1 at 2021 11:06 AM

SSgt Daniel Batista — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 11:06:41 -0500

One warning! Then UCMJ!

Response by COL Andrew Burns made Jan 1 at 2021 1:39 PM

COL Andrew Burns — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 13:39:20 -0500

Introduce him to my favorite NCO and Officer (SGM Miranda and Major Rights) they tend to have a sobering reaction to those questioning little tykes. Be sure to play the song by Archie Bell and the Drells....The tighten-up!!!!!

Response by SGT George Duncan made Jan 9 at 2021 2:36 PM

SGT George Duncan — Sat, 09 Jan 2021 14:36:43 -0500

tell them to fall out to first shirts office and then continue allotting work

Response by SGT Thomas Chapman made Jan 9 at 2021 7:15 PM

SGT Thomas Chapman — Sat, 09 Jan 2021 19:15:24 -0500

I have been in this situation as an E-5 to a Buck Pvt. He told He didn't want to do something. I stopped and turned around and told Him I don't remember asking you. Now if you don't want to clean all the latrines in the barracks get the task done which He did.

Response by SPC Marvin Roach made Jan 10 at 2021 3:17 PM

SPC Marvin Roach — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 15:17:12 -0500

Times have certainly changed since I was in 50 years ago. At that time you would do fifty push ups, taken out behind the barracks and get an ass kicking. After that would be K P and every crap detail for a month. Sure seemed to work.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Jan 10 at 2021 9:24 PM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 21:24:39 -0500

I would suspect that basic training and AIT aren’t what they used to be for this to happen. But remember that the boss has no friends and too much socializing with subordinates can undermine your authority as well. Some private individual counseling is called for to make sure there are no extenuating circumstances, but then a good ass chewing is probably in order. I really had no problem with the DI’s as my old man was tougher on me than they ever thought of being.

Response by SSG Dale London made Jan 11 at 2021 12:00 AM

SSG Dale London — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 00:00:36 -0500

Back in the day I would probably have looked at him in a cold and calm manner, then said something along these lines: "Seaman Staines, you are obviously operating under the false belief that obeying the lawful order of a Petty Officer in the United States Navy is an optional affair. This is your work assignment and you will complete it to the best of your ability in a timely manner or you will suffer the consequences. Now shut your face before I kick a mud hole in your ass and stomp it dry."

Now that I am a man of God, I would simply advise him to give his soul to Jesus because his butt belongs to me, and then proceed to make his day very unpleasant; all the while praying for his sorry soul.

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Jan 11 at 2021 10:04 AM

SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:04:13 -0500

Keep in mind this is 2021 and a different military. That E5 will have to get in touch with his Mom and ask permission to rectify this problem

Response by SgtMaj Mark Davis made Jan 11 at 2021 1:09 PM

SgtMaj Mark Davis — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:09:33 -0500

When I was a young Corporal, I put a Marine on the ground who did that. I got in quite a bit of trouble. My platoon sergeant GySgt Melton called me into his office, ripped me a new one and told me not to do that where others could see it. ;-)

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Jan 11 at 2021 4:27 PM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:27:51 -0500

Bottom line up front - I would dismiss my formation WITHOUT tasking anyone else, and tell the troop to stand fast. He/she will have 30 seconds to explain why they told me to shove it, just in case they had a brain to mouth misfire. I do not care if there is any personal issue happening with the troop, one does not address an NCO in that manner, in front of other soldiers, and that at a minimum, a summarized art 15 will be recommended. If the troop is having a serious issue, the Summarized can be suspended, provided another incident like this does not happen again. If the troop is just being defiant, well, that recommendation will upgraded to a company grade at a minimum, and I would seek advice from the PSG, who would probably want to speak with the troop as well. It is one thing to find out what is going on with your Soldier, quite another to allow that Soldier to openly and brazenly disobey an order, with such a blatant disregard for decorum. We all have bad days, I get it, but there is a right way and a wrong way, and this is beyond just being the wrong way.

Response by MSgt James Slawson made Jan 11 at 2021 4:31 PM

MSgt James Slawson — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:31:54 -0500

First, I’ve never heard of a Senior E-5 so E-5 will do. If an NCO gives a direct order and an E-2 refuses then the counseling and paperwork begins. Tracking everything is essential in today’s environment and when rules or regulations are broken there is a process for that.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Jan 11 at 2021 6:37 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 18:37:48 -0500

Front leaning rest position.... MOVE! >80)

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jan 11 at 2021 10:41 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:41:31 -0500

Nip it. Establish dominance. All kinds of unpleasantness. Duty on weekends and evenings. Pet project kind of a thing.

Response by SPC Rikk Hillicoss made Jan 12 at 2021 5:26 PM

SPC Rikk Hillicoss — Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:26:47 -0500

PT until total muscle failure. He’ll learn quickly.

Response by PO2 Jeffery Reiser made Jan 13 at 2021 10:26 AM

PO2 Jeffery Reiser — Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:26:59 -0500

Pull him/her asside after formation and counsel them and start a paper trail for futer disciplinary purposes...

Response by SFC Charles Woods made Jan 13 at 2021 1:54 PM

SFC Charles Woods — Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:54:30 -0500

I once had a company commander,who,when I first reported to him as part of my newbie welcome,Returned my salute with the following remark,My name is XXX , I am a Capt in the United States Army,I maketh and I taketh away.The first one is on me all the rest are on you.Do you have any Questions PVT. I learned that using that system was a pretty good way to get the job done.A good leader simply must be aware of what the people under him are going through.And if the person is simply being an axxhole then make an example of him/her. Even if there problems at home,get the offender the help they need but make that the offence is corrected.At least,thats the way I see it.

Response by SSgt Daniel Batista made Jan 29 at 2021 7:02 AM

SSgt Daniel Batista — Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:02:57 -0500

If you allow a subordinate to disregard or disrespect you,then your leadership is at question. Rules and directions are designed to be followed and obeyed for the benefit and the safety of the subordinate and the unit as a whole but it must be enforced evenly and effectively.

Response by SFC Lyle Green made Jan 30 at 2021 10:14 AM

SFC Lyle Green — Sat, 30 Jan 2021 10:14:00 -0500

The world ain't going to hell in a handbasket, we're already there. Now imagine if you would/can, your kissing the ground, the wizz of the bullets are only inches away, your ears are ringing so loud all you can hear is your heart beating. Pieces of your once buddies are flying around like feathers, as you attempt to crawl to gain some assumed safety you have to slither through your best friends guts and taste of his brains that flew into your mouth. Now you hear your leader ( that mean old sergeant, or lifer lt.) bleat out a command to get you outa the present killing situation. In today's standards ( social society called the military) as with disgusting article, one would hear " WHY?? I like it here, if I move those unreasonable meanies will try to hurt me, I'll just stay here and try to reason with those ole hurtful people, they just need to understand we are all just alike and want our mother's titt, make Sassy, Dunebug or Montrose move". I'm glad that my days are shorter now and I won't have to see the further decline , destruction, or dissolvement of any sort of meaningful, effective US military. With all the malignant hoard of insanity, with more to come, that has removed the honorable high standards of service to be that of requiring only a PULSE. I suppose with the 40 years of "social reform" that has been evolving right before our eyes, has removed the essential and most treasured personal characteristics of our being. Whether you are a believer of God, or not, the Devine values or traits of a person forever have rang true and essential for a Free, functioning Social Order, Truth, discipline, respect for Authority, and respect for one's self. Like it or not, accept or reject it, it's is the choice of the person and the now, weak or useless person that must demand authority and earn his respect. Discipline is never a born with trait of the person, yet required equal to any creature that man has domesticated for personal or productive means. Yet we must begin to ask ourselves, what children have we created and allowed to mature or be immature grown Brats? A mother tell the baby with soft words that " mommy doesn't like that, and it is not very nice to hit mommy", the "talk in to, time out, you can't play video games for 1 hour, no McDonald's for you young man". If a child raises hell or even strikes a teacher in school, only gets them a few days suspension. Discipline is not only gone but ultimately out lawed. If some these brats disagree with or are accurately described by words or terms that have existed for eons, these are labeled and determined by these Sheep Brats and the people sucking up to them or are of equal minds with, declare a Law in hope's of removing the HURTFUL terms. Now, imagine this shell of a "man" that has been produced with what has been described, that is just the tip of the ice berg, becoming a formidable defender of Our Country? This degenerate excuse for a soldier in the US Military should have and would have in my time is service been knocked on his ass, dragged out back by the DI and his assistants, had the hell beat outa him, (no facial blows that would leave any marks) dragged to the CO, who was a 4 tour Vet of VN, who would have this turd thrown in the stockade or a few weeks. After released from the stockade be forced into admin. training for 1 month, then returned to duty, if no improvement, would receive a DD or a Summary CM and given Undesirable or Unable to adapt Discharge. But no long is that to be. So DI's CO's, you have my deepest regards and sympathy, now go attempt to transform a little lamb into a bulldog. IMO. So blast away with all the cut downs, I am a Hitler, etc.etc.etc.

Response by SSG Don Maggart made Feb 6 at 2021 1:02 PM

SSG Don Maggart — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 13:02:22 -0500

Take Them Behind Conex Watch them Trip and Fall about 12 Times...

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Feb 7 at 2021 5:32 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 17:32:40 -0500

WOW! First, finish giving assignments and have the PV2 (or SA?) stand fast! Then counsel him on what a Lawful Order is and ascertain if he has any questions. Do it firmly, but calmly. If he gives you ANY crap, take him to the Orderly Room and have him sit while you confer with your supervisor with the intent of (at least) issuing a WRITTEN Counselling Statement. The statement needs to address his insubordination, overall attitude and disrespect.
Any problems after that, he's toast. It is crucially important to keep your cool - firm, but level headed and fair. I called it, "Giving him rope enough to hang himself;" but with the hope that he wakes up to the fact that he's subject to discipline if he continues his stupidity.

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made Feb 9 at 2021 6:36 AM

SSG Chris Gursky — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 06:36:59 -0500

I lived this situation as an E-4 (though technically I wasn’t a shitbird),got an article 15. Got 14/14 for it. Became good friends with said NCO eventually, we strode side by side in the Gulf war together , both of us SSGs at the time. A learning lesson.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Feb 9 at 2021 6:40 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 18:40:24 -0500

I was in the Navy in 72-76. He would have enjoyed a blanket party

Response by PO2 David Davidson made Feb 9 at 2021 8:24 PM

PO2 David Davidson — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:24:37 -0500

You probably can't do this anymore, but in my day it was not uncommon for the senior Petty Officer to dismiss everyone, except for said shit bird AND the biggest man in the ranks. The senior PO would then explain to the big guy that Airman Apprentice (or Seaman Apprentice or whatever the case)
felt imposed upon to complete the assignment that had been given. It would then be explained that the task had to be done and he, Apprentice Big Guy would not only be responsible for the original assignment he had been given BUT ALSO the assignment shit bird had been given. Then the original apprentice shit bird would be told to go to the geedunk and get a milk shake and just relax the rest of the day. The issue would find a satisfactory resolution, which usually meant the Apprentice shit bird would be seen later completing the task or would be seen the next sporting a temporary tattoo around one or both eyes. Lesson learned. I'm certain that sort of conflict resolution would not be allowed today, and that may be where the problem lies.

Response by SFC Steven Barry made Feb 9 at 2021 11:50 PM

SFC Steven Barry — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 23:50:25 -0500

Well, I suppose in today's touchy-feely Army you could charge him under UCMJ for refusing a lawful order. These days it probably won't stick.

I my day, he'd have been punched to the ground, and then charged with refusing a lawful order. Then, it would have definitely stuck.

Response by PFC Ken Mason made Feb 11 at 2021 5:36 AM

PFC Ken Mason — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 05:36:29 -0500

IF I were at least an NCO, I would question what drugs the e2 was on. That “soldier” would soon long for the days of feeling the honor of the privilege of wearing that uniform and it would be a long time before the high rank of e2 befit the maggot...if ever. The poor lost soul would be made to want to go AWOL to escape my hell. I would find out who the maggot’s drill instructors were and inquire as to why their job was not done. Meanwhile, I’m sure there’s plenty of dirt needs a-shovelin’. Our military is nothing but the Girl Scouts without DISCIPLINE.

Response by SP5 Paul Nipper made Feb 11 at 2021 6:32 AM

SP5 Paul Nipper — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 06:32:57 -0500

Hand them some unpleasant alternatives that will make the presented task shine.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2021 12:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:15:37 -0500

That's what the front-leaning rest position is for (to be held until after the arms start shaking).

Response by PO1 Robert Vasseur made Feb 11 at 2021 1:01 PM

PO1 Robert Vasseur — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:01:09 -0500

Had that happen once at muster. However, he had told another member of the division that he intended to get me to assault him by pissing me off (court-martial stuff). I did hold him in formation afterwards. His relationship with the division did deteriorate significantly afterwards, especially after he was caught sleeping on watch.

Response by Sgt Paul Robbins made Feb 11 at 2021 9:09 PM

Sgt Paul Robbins — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:09:34 -0500

You are about to have a bad day PFC Schmuckatelli.

Response by SGT Tim Bennett made Feb 12 at 2021 2:57 PM

SGT Tim Bennett — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:57:19 -0500

I would pull the private aside and let him know this wasn't a multiple choice of yes, no, maybe, or I'll get back to you, it was a direct order. Then I would explain what penalties could be assessed if he still refused, via an Art.15. He would then be asked to make his own choice.

Response by SGT Luther Switzer made Feb 13 at 2021 10:02 AM

SGT Luther Switzer — Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:02:59 -0500

Sounds like remedial training here. I had this problem when I first got to Germany the second time. It wasn't so much mouthing off but they said they did not know how to do something. After one weekend of remedial training they straightened up. Funny how taking away there weekend makes them smarter.

Response by PO2 Lon Hebert made Feb 13 at 2021 1:05 PM

PO2 Lon Hebert — Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:05:43 -0500

when I was in the navy I was a Senior RM3 in the navy and this SA mouthed off I took him to the transmitter room closed the hatch and got up in his face and told him I was in the military when you were in your mamma's stomach so keep you comments to your self and if I hear one more word first it is a counseling sheet then I write you up and you can explain it to the XO. He did not like it cause he had to go clean the head, I told him I did RM1 Did it and chief did every one that serves in the navy does it this is your one and only warning. I had raised my voice. after that no more problems.

Response by AA Michel Erlandsen made Feb 13 at 2021 1:57 PM

AA Michel Erlandsen — Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:57:07 -0500

As we all know there are three sides to a story, and a story inside a story. I'm a Vietnam vet and been in the Navy for 3 years and Air Force for 20 yrs. I've seen so much conflict between high ranks and lower ranks. More than enough lowest rank is always at fault. Its proof right here in this blog. All these higher ranks that are responding to this question immediately are on the E5 side. First of all , being CALMLY too one person may not be calmly to others. How did the E5 calmly speak to his troops. Was he calmly saying " Hey, do you think your bright enough to do this task"? Or was he very diplomatic when he asked this young troop to do this task. The E2 also could be a spoiled little brat.
I have seen so many E4 and above just let their ranks get to their head. It's like giving a MONkEY A LOADED GUN.
There was a CWO I knew who hated enlisted personnel, thought every one of them were stupid and didn't know their jobs, and talked down to them. He has been spoken to by other higher ranking officers to lighten up on he enlisted, but since he was an officer he didn't have to. This is just one example, of so many I've seen. On the other hand Ive' seen a lot of PUNK ASS Kids that are just out of control, and there is no discipline that well straighten them out.
If this E2 is being a Punk, I agree , he should be pulled out of formation and perhaps talk to him to see whats bothering him and why he reacts this way. If getting no place with him then serious discipline actions need to be taken
According to this E5 question, it sounds to me that nothing happened (no discipline acct-ion} to the E2 because the E5 may not of been at his best behavior also. I say this is because he's asking this question to see how many people will agree with him, and nobody knows the real story. Also the picture shows that this E5 is not calm and he is amplifying his authority.

Response by SCPO Rev. Dr. Thomas Peavy made Feb 13 at 2021 6:20 PM

SCPO Rev. Dr. Thomas Peavy — Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:20:57 -0500

In the Navy this would be a Seaman, Fireman, Airman, Construction or Hospital "Apprentice" rank E-2. The E-5 would be a Petty Officer 2nd class. Not many or very few formations are held where an E-5 would be the Senior Rank but their work center Petty Officer would likely be an the E-5 or E-6 rank. Should this happen, the response needs to be direct and instructive to all present. The junior rank is instructed (Told) that they will not talk in formation without permission. That they have been given a lawful assignment and it is to be followed. There will be no discussion of this order. If you refuse to follow a lawful directive, you will be placed on report. Hold anything else you may say until you meet with me and Chief Petty Officer ---- after you are dismissed. It is that clear ----- Apprentice? The ass chewing and a little "extra military instruction" takes place with the Chief present.

Response by AA Michel Erlandsen made Feb 14 at 2021 11:04 AM

AA Michel Erlandsen — Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:04:07 -0500

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Feb 14 at 2021 3:44 PM

1SG James Matthews — Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:44:32 -0500

Had this happen once at Ft. Hood. Ever looked at a soldier after he dug a 6x6 and planted a paper he wrote stating "I am a member of the United States Army and will follow all orders my superiors give me. Fill it up and then tell him Dig it up --I think you mispelled a word.
Never had any more backtalk in formation.

Response by AA Michel Erlandsen made Feb 14 at 2021 7:09 PM

AA Michel Erlandsen — Sun, 14 Feb 2021 19:09:42 -0500

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Feb 14 at 2021 7:12 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Sun, 14 Feb 2021 19:12:29 -0500

"Drop and give me 50 push-ups"! Extra duty, maybe! Report this E2 to the ISG for an attitude adjustment!

Response by SFC James Liedtka made Feb 16 at 2021 6:45 AM

SFC James Liedtka — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 06:45:32 -0500

The military is a war machine. The correct response is a punch in the mouth. It will also correct anyone else in the platoon thinking of being a smart ass.

Response by PO2 Tom Kalbacher made Feb 16 at 2021 1:56 PM

PO2 Tom Kalbacher — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:56:55 -0500

This is an easy fix , I saw they got five nights of extra duty in the engine or boiler room chipping paint with a knuckle buster and it always changed the attitude

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2021 10:25 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 22:25:32 -0500

I just noticed the juvenile marks on the Marines hands in the picture. Wonder what brought on this altercation?

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2021 5:30 AM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:30:43 -0500

Isn’t that an Article 91 violation?

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Feb 21 at 2021 9:03 PM

SP5 Richard Welch — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 21:03:58 -0500

Lock their heals, make them stand fast, dismiss all other's. Then spend the day with my jump boot up their ass making them miserable.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Feb 28 at 2021 10:34 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 22:34:47 -0500

GET IN THAT PUNKS FACE and tell the little turd, life as he knows it has just ended.

Response by PO3 Claude j Hilliard made Mar 3 at 2021 7:04 PM

PO3 Claude j Hilliard — Wed, 03 Mar 2021 19:04:43 -0500

Back during the Nam, l would have put my foot in his, well new Military sucks, Sempi Fi.

Response by SPC Steven Oxley made Mar 4 at 2021 9:26 PM

SPC Steven Oxley — Thu, 04 Mar 2021 21:26:36 -0500

Put em down and make em do the Chicken..

Response by SFC Charles Hough made Mar 11 at 2021 8:21 AM

SFC Charles Hough — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 08:21:29 -0500

UCMJ...ensure your counseling is current; proper documentation showing what is expected of the Soldier upon their entry to the unit. Then recommend UCMJ for failure to obey an order!

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Mar 15 at 2021 1:55 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 13:55:49 -0400

I had this very thing happen. I told her I'd give her one chance to obey my order OR be standing in the Commander's office at 1700 getting disciplinary action. She squeaks back "I'll take my chances with the commander." So I order her to go stand over out of the way at parade rest until we were finished (washing vehicles from the field). I did that so she couldn't change her mind 10 minutes before we were done, jump in and help at the last second and say I lied on her and that she really did obey. Within 48 hours she lost a stripe. Done deal! 14 days restriction (which she broke and got her civilian clothes confiscated), lost of a pay grade, and I believe loss of some of her paycheck.

Response by SFC Fernando Campos made Mar 15 at 2021 7:23 PM

SFC Fernando Campos — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:23:37 -0400

I don't care if that E-2 had less than a year or not, he'd need a new face and it would take a combat engineer to dig my boot out of his rear end.

Response by SGT Edward Valiket made Mar 15 at 2021 9:29 PM

SGT Edward Valiket — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 21:29:06 -0400

In my day an E2 didn't smart mouth anyone

Response by CPO Charles Patterson made Mar 16 at 2021 2:36 PM

CPO Charles Patterson — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:36:12 -0400

I agree this needs to be handled immediately. But I would factor in that this is a boot camp. I would tell the apprentice to stand by after the formation is dismissed and counsel with Extra Military Instruction and document with a Counseling Chit. And make it known that the insubordination will not be tolerated and continuing insubordination will lead to further administrative action which could lead to XOI, Mast, other NJP or OTH.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2021 1:33 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Mar 2021 01:33:24 -0400

They obviously do not understand how frustrating it is to be the person in charge, Therefore overwhelm them with responsibility and delegate things to them that require them to act as a team leader and get their fellow members to listen and follow their instructions. Thats how you get respect and build a respectable member at the same time! It also shows that you work well with adversity.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2021 1:40 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Mar 2021 01:40:01 -0400

Also you could give members that do respect you some type of incentive for doing the right thing. Every time they turn down a task whoever steps up and take it for example, Gets a longer lunch break,a morning to skip PT, a day off, or whatever is feasible in your situation. Just do not announce the incentive until after someone step ups!

Response by PO2 Roland Lemus made Mar 17 at 2021 3:43 PM

PO2 Roland Lemus — Wed, 17 Mar 2021 15:43:22 -0400

Been there, this happened, and when you get promoted to an E5 faster than your coworkers, AND you have to set the detail for the day, I had one say that, like the E2 and I stated, you have a choice to do it, or be written up, I have no issues with doing that today, make it happen and get to work. The other one was much sneakier, the E3 who wasn't promoted, he said, ok, got it, and disappeared on me, after I found him in the barber shop of our boat, I stated get back to work and he was a bigger guy than me, and he started to point his finger at me, and get in my face, and he was upset, I was telling him what to do, I stated, the next thing that comes out of your mouth is sorry and I will get to work, or I will escort you to our division officer and we can have you at xo mast tomorrow. If you ever point your finger at me again and do this crap, I won't even talk to you about it. He transferred off our boat the next month. It wasn't boot camp where you can yell and get into their face, it was a ship that wasn't that big but buttheads did exist. The E2 scenario is pretty easy to deal with, there are more challenging scenarios out there where people push the limits, but you have to deal with it immediately. I was pretty young, 20, and still learning, but I got a quick indoc on slackers and the games they play.

Response by PFC Phil Granish made Mar 17 at 2021 9:59 PM

PFC Phil Granish — Wed, 17 Mar 2021 21:59:08 -0400

Apologize for you outrageous conduct. Beg the privates forgiveness. Offer to buy him lunch if he doesn’t file a complaint and ruin your career.... then bury the little bastards body where they won’t find it and say he went AWOL

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Mar 18 at 2021 5:09 PM

1SG Billye Jackson — Thu, 18 Mar 2021 17:09:32 -0400

Easy answerer ,He would Only do it ONCE!

Response by MSG Bob S made Mar 18 at 2021 7:00 PM

MSG Bob S — Thu, 18 Mar 2021 19:00:35 -0400

Some corrective action need to be done immediatlely, in private, either physically or administratively.
Although this sounds like the NCO and the fresh E2 became buddies. I believe the PSG should do a little shuffling of the teams as leaders and subordinates can not be friends. What do I know though... I was in leadership positions for 21 of my 25 years.

Response by PO2 Marguerite G Kendall made Mar 19 at 2021 7:26 AM

PO2 Marguerite G Kendall — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 07:26:11 -0400

Pull aside. Why the smart mouth? If he apologizes great. Never mouth off again.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Mar 19 at 2021 3:06 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:06:35 -0400

I Tell Him to get His team leader or Third class / E-4 and have them come to my office, in 45 min, I would pill his jacket, to see if he has a history of being Disrespectfully to his senior personal, if not, when he comes into my Office, I would ask him what is going on in his personal life? did he have a fight with the wife? Girlfriend ? is there a family Issue? if he is having these family Problems, I would explain to him not following orders, and going off and disrespecting a senior personal, is not going to make things better, that the service has a system in place to help him. but he should not lash out, he should come talk to his supervisors, for help, and guidance.

if he is just a problem Child , and he wants special attention, well he has come to the right person, I have now just become his personal mentor, with the E-4 as my witness I Have just Give him His 1st verbal warning, and I am Informing him that me and the E-4 that is Present, will continues to make sure he improves his situation, that he is to be on time every day, in work uniform and ready for inspection, his Uniform and everyone in the squad, shall be ready, my department will be Volunteering for every extra cleaning detail, until his Attitude Changes . me and him will be working together as much as possible, I do not mind staying late to mentor a shipmate or fellow Solder, Especially if it might save his life one day.

Pride starts with the Uniform and Knowing your Service History, make sure he is SQUARED AWAY EVERY SINGLE DAY, Give him a homework Assignment, make him look up his service history.
if you have any Service members that served in combat or was wounded in combat, make him do a meet and greet of your senior command on your base, make him interduce himself , and tell them why he is introducing himself , to learn respect!

Response by MSgt Roger Bon made Mar 19 at 2021 6:19 PM

MSgt Roger Bon — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:19:29 -0400

insubordination is a UCMJ offense punishable by an Article 15. With a group of you arrogant military personnel; at times you have to hang a Crow on the Fence to curtail total loss of control. Action not necessarily agains the individual but against the specific circumstance. Comman d and control must be maintained!

Response by CW2 Michael MacInerney made Mar 20 at 2021 8:25 AM

CW2 Michael MacInerney — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:25:36 -0400

With calm self assurance everyone must know that this private is going to regret those words. Develop a history of good leadership and these instances usually occur with only the usual troubled soldier.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA made Mar 21 at 2021 4:54 PM

Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:54:45 -0400

I had a situation where the son of an E-9 was in my unit. The E-2 was caught turning donuts with his car in the base parade ground. Before any action was taken, his dad (the E-9) called to plead for a second chance for his son - which was granted (how often does one get a call from an E-9?). A month later, the E-2 had another "significant issue" and I received a second call from his dad. After a short discussion, the E-2 became a civilian. His dad understood my position but felt compelled to give it a shot. In many cases, it's difficult to determine the right course of action. In others, it's pretty clear...

Response by SPC Brad Coons made Mar 21 at 2021 4:56 PM

SPC Brad Coons — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:56:51 -0400

An E2 with a discipline problem?
This can't really be an issue can it?

Response by SFC Randy Hellenbrand made Mar 21 at 2021 6:30 PM

SFC Randy Hellenbrand — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:30:18 -0400

A morning of secluded front-leaning-rest usually instills a proper perspective in these fools. I had one who actually tried to get physical with me. (The old bent finger works great) After that the LT and the MPs took over.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Mar 23 at 2021 2:50 PM

SGT Gary Tob — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:50:46 -0400

Drop and give me 50

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Apr 5 at 2021 9:12 AM

SFC Tom Crenshaw — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 09:12:23 -0400

This one's on me. You get one chance, and you've used it. Everything from here on will be official and permanent. Wanna lose any chance of ever advancing? Do it again.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Apr 5 at 2021 5:50 PM

CWO3 Robert Fong — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 17:50:37 -0400

You immediately lock everyone's heels. Have Seaman Nobody fall out and place him at the front of the crew facing them. Tell the crew Seaman Nobody believes he is better than the rest of the crew and he will be given two choices. Tell Seaman Nobody that if he fails to accept the assignment he will go on report and face Mast. I'd dismiss the crew to their assignments. Now Seaman Nobody has a choice; 1) report to his assignment or 2) Place him on report. The OinC would give him two choices 1) accept Mast (fine, EMI, restriction) or 2) Go on report to the CO, which could result in a Courts Martial. If he accepts number 1 the crew sees that he has given in and is doing what he is ordered to do. If on the other hand he chooses 2 he goes on report and the crew will know it. Either way you stop the infection. Now if he chooses 1 at Mast the crew sees the punishment for being a wise ass, and if he chooses 2 at Mast the crew knows he's doing time in the Brig.

Response by COL William Oseles made Apr 12 at 2021 12:57 AM

COL William Oseles — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 00:57:02 -0400

Key Part of Example: They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else.

Summary of the Elements of Article 91: The government may accuse you under article 91 for striking, disobeying or using contemptuous language or disrespect toward a warrant officer, noncommissioned officer, or petty officer of the U.S. armed forces.

At a minimum Counseling, but could just refer to Article 15. Given the gist of the example probably start with a Summarized if the soldier is salvageable or a Company Grade.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Apr 14 at 2021 10:13 PM

SSG George Duncan — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:13:19 -0400

say nata until after formation then get them to the side and explain, that stuff will not be tolerated and please don't do that again if it happens again your looking at least at ar/t 15 at best, and then get after making the world a better place

Response by COL Hugh Stirts made Apr 17 at 2021 12:59 PM

COL Hugh Stirts — Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:59:38 -0400

Pull him out of formation and turn him over to my CSM

Response by SGT Jason Yago made Apr 18 at 2021 2:32 AM

SGT Jason Yago — Sun, 18 Apr 2021 02:32:16 -0400

Offer him the option to be chaptered or comply explain it will ruin his life because his pansy ass probably talked to his own parents that let it go. Let them know your not mommy and daddy and your not gonna take his punk ass defiance. Give him an offer he can't refuse flipping burgers or serving out what he said he would do when he signed. If this kid has no honor let him know in no uncertain terms he isn't wanted amongst real soldiers. Hand him a Mcdonalds, burger king and KFC application and tell him to choose.

Response by SGT Jason Yago made Apr 18 at 2021 2:42 AM

SGT Jason Yago — Sun, 18 Apr 2021 02:42:31 -0400

Better yet put him in a comfy chair and keep the formation at attention. Let him know in no uncertain terms he is letting his brother and sisters in arms down. His family their families etc. Put him on that assignment that he "doesn't like" until further notice till he learns humility. If he doesn't get out of that chair rapidly and snap to and do the job something tells me his peers will deal with him accordingly.

Response by SGT Jason Weisbrich made Apr 18 at 2021 10:53 AM

SGT Jason Weisbrich — Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:53:24 -0400

Wall to wall counseling and some extra duty with the team leader supervising should clear that up. Document it all and save it for the next time if there is one. UCMJ should be justified and the reasoning provable. Be sure you have a sworn statement from the team leader and a few others for good measure.

Response by SGT Donovan Leeds made Apr 18 at 2021 5:31 PM

SGT Donovan Leeds — Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:31:11 -0400

I have the FM for Wall-to-Wall counseling around here somewhere...

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Apr 19 at 2021 5:59 AM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 05:59:56 -0400

I would have him stand fast as the rest of the platoon is released to cover their duties.
When we were alone, I would give him the assignment again. If he accepts it or not, the next step is to the orderly room to discuss following orders, with the 1SG. Afterwards, discuss with the 1SG and CO about ART-15, extra duty etc. Make a believer out of him quick.

Response by PO1 David Shepardson made Apr 19 at 2021 10:20 AM

PO1 David Shepardson — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:20:46 -0400

Write him up.

Response by SSgt Ajhadriel Galbreath made Apr 19 at 2021 11:13 AM

SSgt Ajhadriel Galbreath — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:13:06 -0400

First, Seek To Understand what he's really saying, Then Be Understood"(Stephen R. Covey -7 Habits Of Highly Successful People). This enables you to really understand what's going on, was he bullied or raped, are you mismanaging resources. Be a Principle -Centered Leader (Another Outstanding Stephen R. Covey best practice). "It's not my way or your way...it's what is the best way". Remember, Respect is Earned!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2021 11:45 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:45:50 -0400

Maybe he is just testing the water and tries to challenge your authority. Or he is just blunt and stupid. You need to understand his purpose behind his behavior. Is he trying to work his way out of the Army? Obeying lawful order is the basic Soldier skill. I have had several Soldiers like that in the past. To be honest it is no fun dealing with the disobedient Soldier. You need to counsel him and let him know what is right and wrong. My previous Soldier always talked back to me and challenged my authority as a team leader. He was a PVT at the time. I smoked him during PT session, followed by a few other smoking sessions and counseling. It worked pretty well.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Apr 19 at 2021 6:05 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:05:28 -0400

Remove him from the formation. Leave him standing, far enough away that he can’t be heard. Leave him there until you have completed the formation. Stay with him there until everyone else is gone. Leave him there while you talk to the 1Sg about his future in your Army. He should still be a formation of one. He is not to leave formation without first getting your approval..

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Apr 20 at 2021 8:16 AM

PO2 Weaver Brian — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:16:18 -0400

See me in my shack immediately after quarters. That lad was about to receive some special counseling..

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Apr 21 at 2021 1:08 AM

SSG Jack Scott — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 01:08:23 -0400

This is one issue I disliked in Army compared to my time in the Marine Corps article 15 his ass. This was an on going issue in the Army because most units wouldn’t put paper on Soldiers they felt entitled. If I disrespected my Gunny in the Corps it would be straight to office hours article 15. You have issues with these kids and you better hammer one or two with 30/30 and that crap will end butt cold in a unit. The Army has to start using a stronger hand with some of these troops.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2021 6:12 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:12:54 -0400

Well, as long as this assignment is not unethical amoral and is not in violation of any regulations, it’s a lawful order from an NCO. The private will face the consequences if he/she refuses to obey.
My first reaction will be: “Private, I thought that I was a little bit flexible on whom I was going to give this tasking to, but thank you for volunteering. I will give him/her the 5W’s and move on. If SM fails to obey, I will write his negative counseling and begin with his/her chapter process though the chain of command.

Response by CPL José A CastroPacheco made Apr 21 at 2021 3:38 PM

CPL José A CastroPacheco — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:38:21 -0400

I'd pull him out of formation and get him counseled. If that one fails, time for re-training. Military personnel are not to pick what or which tasks given they will do. Discipline must prevail in the ranks otherwise it would be a clusterf**k and others will follow. Unacceptable!!

Response by MAJ Ralph Barnes made Apr 21 at 2021 4:32 PM

MAJ Ralph Barnes — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 16:32:34 -0400

As an NCO and then as an Officer I made my policy public knowledge. "If you challenge me or dis respect me in public, I will rip your face off in public" Not the best policy but very effective.

Response by PO2 Joseph Donahue made Apr 21 at 2021 8:41 PM

PO2 Joseph Donahue — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:41:52 -0400

In the Navy? After Quarters, take the E-2 to the Department's CPO.
It's the CPO's Duty to decide upon displinary actions.

Response by CPL Laron Buggs made Apr 22 at 2021 12:22 AM

CPL Laron Buggs — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 00:22:25 -0400

I'm going to let him know his role! There is a chain of command and what is expected of him. While saying all that he is in the front lean and rest position. There is a reason you are a E-5 and he is an E-2!

Response by SSG James N. made Apr 22 at 2021 8:33 AM

SSG James N. — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:33:15 -0400

E5, so this is a squad, teams A and B? OR are you acting PSG?
ATTENTION, HALF RIGHT, FACE, BENDS AND MOTHERFUCKERS BEGIN, I count the cadence, you count the reps, 1, 2, 3, 4 1 Sargeant!(continue as needed)

Now that the entire group understands PFC/PV2/Squid Rating 2 is a dickhead and caused the entire group to get bent, we start over. Private Shitbird, you will clean the heads/latrines, regular work is then handed out to the rest of the squad/platoon. If it is one peckerhead in a squad, the entire squad remains to be bent. There will be no weak links in any squad, period because weak links get people hurt or killed in theater. Pvt Shitbir either learns or receives multiple statements(army is 4856) on performance, even though the reward for successes is given, and positive or negative punishment for infractions is received, he/she is chaptered out for Pattern of Misconduct, or Failure to Adapt.

If you are a good NCO this little bit of BS will go away fast as both the team and you correct this shitbird to become a good GI and commit to stellar performance

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2021 9:57 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:57:51 -0400

Seems pretty simple. After everyone falls out put this E2 in the front leaning rest. While he/she is there explain that there is a time and place for discussion and this was not one of them.

As a GOOD leader, you will then take this E2 to a private area and figure out why they feel the way they do and see if the problem is deeper rooted to something ie marital issues, financial issues, depression. Maybe this E2 feels like they are being neglected by leadership. Explain to them that they CANNOT and WILL not disrespect you in front of your subordinates and if it happens again they will feel the weight of a chapter packet come down on them very quickly.

As a leader it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that your troops are being taken care of and it is YOUR responsibility to fix their issues. The second that you start toting your rank around like it’s a battle axe is the second that you lose the faith and respect of your troops. Be the leader you wanted to have when you were coming up.

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Apr 22 at 2021 10:10 AM

PO3 J.W. Nelson — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 10:10:25 -0400

He'd be doing push-ups till he puked !!!

Response by PO3 J.W. Nelson made Apr 22 at 2021 10:11 AM

PO3 J.W. Nelson — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 10:11:01 -0400

That young man or woman would be doing push-ups till they puked !!!

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Apr 22 at 2021 11:24 AM

SGT Keith Smith — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:24:34 -0400

First been there and handled it. Now how I handled it. As a senior SERGEANT this becomes a question of respect not just disobedience and MUST be corrected. My first words in front of my soldiers is “ what the f#?! Is your major malfunction private?” This will demonstrate my authority in front of the soldiers and give him a chance to correct himself in front of everyone. Now some people do not get the hint. That’s when I send everyone else to do the assigned jobs. Then I will lock him up at parade rest and I will explain what is about to happen. He can either give me a reasonable explanation, receive corrective training, or we can write it down and begin the process to be out of the army. Now I have gotten responses where I was in the wrong and he did have a legitimate reason then it is your best judgment. I normally did not pursue the matter and after explaining how we were both in the wrong and how to handle this situation in the future we moved on. That’s wait till everyone else leaves and catch me after and explain the issue. This earns respect from everyone because you look fair and impartial. If on the other hand the reason is BS well we will decide on which corrective training. Now I explain that if I smoke him this will not allow further punishment but it is going to get very uncomfortable or he can continue to be disrespectful and in that case the army doesn’t need him and I will start the process to get him involuntarily separated from the military. Explain the process. Most of them choose smoking. At a minimum this will take an hour. I carried a tank ball bearing for such times. After I was done most could not left their arms past shoulder height, their legs were like noodles, and there were sweat stains on the ground. It has to last and it has to be enough so when he talks about it others do not want to do the same. Remember to strive to be fair and impartial, do not allow it to get personal stay come and in control. Do not raise your voice. I hope this helps.

Response by SSG Bill Cooke made Apr 22 at 2021 12:22 PM

SSG Bill Cooke — Thu, 22 Apr 2021 12:22:35 -0400

I had a situation like this one. The E2 is smart mouthing for sure. First drop and give me 20 push ups. Then after all the others are dismissed I took that E2 to my office and asked them why they felt they had the right to refuse the assignment. The E2 said something like I can't do that work as i have not been trained. I said go with this other soldier and he will train you. After training and you refuse again you will be doing extra duty which you do now want to do. Now go and do the work.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Apr 23 at 2021 8:25 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:25:19 -0400

I welcome great, well-thought-out questions and I welcome curiosity, but I will not tolerate smart mouths in the middle of my formations, as a leader.

Generally, smart mouths are those soldiers who want to establish their knowledge, abilities and ideas ahead of others. However, there is a proper time and place for everything; there is an established chain of communication to bring forward brilliance and well-constructed ideas and, this established line of communication doesn't begin by being a smart mouth in my formations. This must be expressed without delay to the Team/Section/Squad leaders and platoon sergeants in the presence of the 1SG. Set the rules right from the outset.

Response by PO1 Mike Meehan made Apr 23 at 2021 2:48 PM

PO1 Mike Meehan — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:48:20 -0400

I tell them "SA/FA, etc. Smith, remain after the Division is dismissed and we will talk about this." I would then have a discussion with the wayward Seaman/Fireman about who assigns work and how it is not a choice. If the E-2 does not know HOW to accomplish the task assigned, that is one thing, we can assign a qualified person to train them and sign them off as appropriate (which will also go back to the assignment in the first place, ensure you assign qualified people to tasks). If they are trained and qualified to the task notify them that they have finite time to complete it and liberty call does not commence until task completion. I always stayed after liberty call with an individual that drug their feet if such happened. They usually got the hint that they WERE going to do the work assigned, and that I wasn't going to let them go on liberty until they did. I had this happen several times with an E-4 when I was an E-6.

Response by SGT Michael Frachiseur made Apr 24 at 2021 8:16 PM

SGT Michael Frachiseur — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 20:16:13 -0400

I can see every a volunteer for every crap detail coming down the pike. Possible restriction, and escalating punishment for repeat offences.

Response by CSM James Barzee made Apr 25 at 2021 5:24 PM

CSM James Barzee — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:24:17 -0400

You don't want to know...
They would be in for "extra duty" until they couldn't walk & then some diagnostic PT.

Response by TSgt David Olson made Apr 27 at 2021 3:48 PM

TSgt David Olson — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:48:36 -0400

I’m reading this question and I can’t think of any response. In my time in the military, beginning in 1963, the Army, that would have been unthinkable. I have a question, is this common behavior or uncommon? Quality of recruits, quality of NCOs or other superiors? I spent three years as an AF basic training instructor, the mid to late 80’s. From minute one the trainees understood this was the USAF and not a debating society.

Response by LCpl David Warren made Apr 30 at 2021 6:47 AM

LCpl David Warren — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:47:02 -0400

The corps is different from when I was in, now I would start the paperwork to modify their behavior. If that doesn't work soon, they will be a civilian flipping burgers wishing they would have made a different decision.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 19 at 2021 3:27 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 19 May 2021 15:27:33 -0400

I was an E-6 in an Army where most Private’s were there because they were drafted, if you let them get under your skin they owned you. Remove him from your formation and have him stand at ease facing a wall in a corner where he has to turn around to see anything. Move your formation far enough away that he can’t hear wahat you are saying. Go about your duty, check on him occasionally. Rinse, repeat

Response by SSG Ramon Torres made May 19 at 2021 3:41 PM

SSG Ramon Torres — Wed, 19 May 2021 15:41:44 -0400

Squad Atention, half right face...Private Snuffy drop...I will not stand for insubordination period. You will execute my orders and never question my decisions period. Any questions??? Private Snuffy recover. Squad half left face. Fall out... Private Snuffy at ease, this kind of negative attitude will not be tolerated, further disrespect can and will be grounds for an Article-15. Now do as I say! Dismiss...

Response by SP5 Dennis Dorsey made May 19 at 2021 7:29 PM

SP5 Dennis Dorsey — Wed, 19 May 2021 19:29:19 -0400

In 1965 I volunteered for Vietnam. Ended up in Germany and somehow gathered an attitude problem. Realizing that the attitude problem would get me kicked out of the Army, I again volunteered for VN. After getting there, my attitude problem disappeared as there was way more pressing problems to worry about.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made May 19 at 2021 8:03 PM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Wed, 19 May 2021 20:03:50 -0400

First time is a private verbal counseling immediately following formation. Second time is written. Further incidents get elevated up the chain until the attitude improves or separation action is taken.

Response by PO3 David Weaver made May 19 at 2021 8:50 PM

PO3 David Weaver — Wed, 19 May 2021 20:50:50 -0400

Only one person comes out of the Goat locker

Response by SGT Jim Giffin made May 20 at 2021 11:20 AM

SGT Jim Giffin — Thu, 20 May 2021 11:20:00 -0400

This would be a result of the "Everyone Gets A Trophy" Generation. Assure the young Private the only trophy he will get is a quick Article 15 and Chaptered out. Make sure the whole company is made aware of this example.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made May 20 at 2021 11:44 AM

LCpl Cody Collins — Thu, 20 May 2021 11:44:16 -0400

When I listed in the Marine Corps back in October 79 those Drill instructors put the fear of God in us. As long as you were an NCOE4 and above you got the respect of everybody under you it never occurred to me that smart mouth a question order yeah we might’ve stood around as we carried out the order we might’ve sat around and talked about how we thought it was a bunch of BS sometimes but that was out of fact that we didn’t understand what was going on but never well we Tele staff and CEO or sergeant or corporal to his face. “ I ain’t doing it” that’s an instant beat down, There was no counseling to be had, no one feel pity for you fortunately during my time in the Marine Corps from 79 to 88 I seen very little of that kind of mentality. It wasn’t until the early 90s and beyond that I started hearing rumors E-3’s and E-2’s telling a sgt to go F%ck off.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2021 3:34 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 May 2021 15:34:46 -0400

“What was that buddy? Oh I got something ELSE for your stupid ass to do then”

Response by 1SG Craig Gardner made May 20 at 2021 10:55 PM

1SG Craig Gardner — Thu, 20 May 2021 22:55:53 -0400

Cut one testicle off and you'll never have a problem with him again, nobody wants to say he has no balls

Response by MSG Alfred Aguilar made May 21 at 2021 12:37 PM

MSG Alfred Aguilar — Fri, 21 May 2021 12:37:31 -0400

I hate the "back in my day" crap but here it goes. I don't recall NCO's directly confronting a disobedient soldier. What they did was make everyone else's life much harder. The problem was usually quickly resolved once the rest of the platoon had some "alone time" with the wayward soldier. If the soldier continued to be a problem, he was quickly separated from service. These individuals have a corrosive effect on unit integrity.

Response by Sgt Dennis Krizan made May 21 at 2021 1:29 PM

Sgt Dennis Krizan — Fri, 21 May 2021 13:29:18 -0400

In NCO school, had a guy refuse to march in step & kept saying sh*t while we were going somewhere. Wasn't sure if it was a disrespect or race thing. Stopped the platoon once & asked him to march properly & stop w/the comments. He complied for a minute or two then at it again. Stopped the platoon again, left faced everyone. This time I told him if he doesn't knock off the chatter & stay in step, I won't do a thing until we get back. I will then write him up requesting a bust in rank & fine. I think fines averaged around $135ish then. This will hit you in the wallet. He was already at the rear of the platoon so his being out of step wasn't that big of a deal to the other guys/Marines, just looked like sh*t. He stayed in step & no chatter the rest of the day. Much later I wondered if he was a plant by the instructors to test me.

Response by PO2 Brian Hoadley made May 21 at 2021 2:32 PM

PO2 Brian Hoadley — Fri, 21 May 2021 14:32:53 -0400

Ask him his height?
He will respond with why?
You reply: Because I want to know if we have the right size mattress for your cell in the brig shitbag. Now get your ass on the move and on task or you will wait out your enlistment in a cell, eventually. Show them to the nearest posted UCMJ, fold your arms and wait.

Response by PO1 Don Hand made May 21 at 2021 8:34 PM

PO1 Don Hand — Fri, 21 May 2021 20:34:42 -0400

This is tricky, because they don't realize that you too were a smartass e nothing once. We all were.

Best way to fix this (in my experience) was to put the E2 in charge for a day. Make him make the decisions. Make him answer to the Chief, stay in his hip pocket all day long. Give him the information, but make him do your job. All. Day. Long...

I did this with a guy, rode him all day long. Wore him like a shoe. And at the end of the day, all we had left was to get the trash out. So I told him so. He said :no problem, I got it..."

I said no, thats not your job. It is your job to make sure it gets out. I am going to give you a direct order to tell me "get the trash out..." he couldn't do it. It was hard for him. He had 18 months in, I had 20 years in. And I told him we could stare at that can all damn night and NO ONE is going anywhere until you sack up and tell me directly "You, get the trash out..."

Kid got all shaky, thought he was going to break. He finally said quietly, while looking down. "Please get the trash out..."

I told him nope. Look me in the eyes, and tell using your big boy voice.

"OS1, take the trash out!"

"No problem..."

I did this every Friday for the rest of the month. Rotated guys in and out. And I never had any problems again.

My Senior Chief got it. And thought it was hilarious. He'd find last minute "oh bytheways" for the guys. Simple stuff really, but hard for new guys. And the important thing here is not to throw guys under the bus, be there right beside them and coach them.

Your E2 might just learn something.

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made May 22 at 2021 11:54 AM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Sat, 22 May 2021 11:54:45 -0400

Article 15 Hearing for demonstrating disrespect to a superior officer, service discrediting conduct, and failure to adapt to a military lifestyle.

“Other Tan Honorable” (OTH) administrative separation so they can return to the McDonald’s workforce.

Response by Sgt William Margeson made May 24 at 2021 3:46 PM

Sgt William Margeson — Mon, 24 May 2021 15:46:31 -0400

Charge with ddisobeying lawful order and Article 15

Response by SPC Eileen Keller made May 24 at 2021 3:52 PM

SPC Eileen Keller — Mon, 24 May 2021 15:52:45 -0400

The soldier would spend the day with me. I would tell him/her loud enough for the whole formation to hear, "No problem, you are with me today." Not only would he/she accomplish the task I originally assigned but by the end of the day - that wouldn't necessarily end - that soldier would understand following orders to his/her advantage. After that I would have the soldier study military courtesies and the reasons behind them, of course after his/her other duties were accomplished each day. I would handpick his/her assignments until the message was honed in. No one is going to die because this soldier thought he/she thought he/she could determine which orders to follow. If I do my job right, he/she will become one squared away soldier.

Response by PFC Robert Brooks made May 24 at 2021 3:56 PM

PFC Robert Brooks — Mon, 24 May 2021 15:56:46 -0400

Well as I have experience here in two ways. As a fresh recruit in my time you and I would have went behind building, and after getting a can of Whoop Butt given to me, you would walk back around and I would follow after dragging my butt off the ground. Never happen again. Forward two years fail piss test, (hey it happen in late 80,s in Germany barely 20 ;) ) back to E2 AGAIN same situation with new squad leader who didn't know how much time and experience I had. Waited till dismissed and approached the individual and tactfully presented my case, and did what was told.

Response by CPO Jeffrey Bohemier made May 25 at 2021 4:09 AM

CPO Jeffrey Bohemier — Tue, 25 May 2021 04:09:45 -0400

Fortunately, I wasn’t ever an E-2 in the military. I came in as a 6YO in order to get additional schooling, as I had decided to make the military as a career before I even entered. As a junior member of the Navy, I was scared shitless of those for whom I worked for. That’s because I had gone to a military school during my 4 years of high school, and now I was dealing with the real deal. So I gave both respect AND followed orders of those over me.

Obviously this E2 hasn’t figured that out. Nor has he or she realized that shit rolls down hill, and as an E2, he or she is standing at the bottom, looking up. As a leader, I would have that person remain in place after everyone else (except one other more senior person to act as a witness to your corrective actions). I would then explain to that person in a friendly tone that we’ve all been in their shoes when we first started out and if they expect to start climbing that hill, they need to do better. Then I would change my tone to a rather loud, authoritative tone and told them that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will I EVER explain myself to them again. They’re now in the MILITARY, not at McDonalds flipping burgers. And if they EVER show disrespect to either myself or another supervisor working on my behalf, I’ll put them on report and take both half their pay and their liberty for a few months. Then I would have them sign both a counselling sheet AND assign them EMI (Extra Military Instruction) that’s directly related to their infraction.

My method proved to be beneficial to those who worked for me. As a supervisor, I only had to put ONE person on report (that worked directly for me) over my entire career. That doesn’t count the numerous really bad and troubled students that forgot to leave their civilian egos, misbehavior, and criminal activities behind). That individual thought he could outright lie to me and get way with it, but I already knew his REAL story. I was a Course Manager and he was one of my on-block instructors. He decided to join a fishing tournament in Mobile, Alabama on a Monday while his students sat in their classroom (at Electronic Warfare Training on Corry Station in Pensacola, Florida). His excuse…he had a cracked windshield on his truck and needed to go to Mobile to get it fixed. Only, there was a dealership directly outside the base that could’ve fixed it. And obviously there’s companies that’ll come to you to replace a windshield as well. Not only did he loose his job as an instructor (along with a bunch of Liberty and half his pay), he also lost his instructor job and found himself handing out toilet paper until a ship was found that he could be sent to.

Oh…AND HE LOST THE FISHING TOURNAMENT AS WELL.

Response by SPC Ray Orvin made May 25 at 2021 4:29 PM

SPC Ray Orvin — Tue, 25 May 2021 16:29:17 -0400

Bring back 1967 standards and punch him in his smart mouth

Response by 1LT James Rosebrough made May 25 at 2021 9:49 PM

1LT James Rosebrough — Tue, 25 May 2021 21:49:11 -0400

Have his squad leader counsel him. I was a 1/LT INF Platoon Leader.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2021 11:14 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 May 2021 11:14:09 -0400

Never having been E5, I can't speak for the junior-NCO side on it. But lawful orders are lawful orders, and my thought is to counsel him in writing and give him the choice of three options: a) the MOST unpleasant alternate task I can think of at the moment (scrubbing port-o-johns by hand comes to mind, or rearranging rocks in front of HQ, or straightening photos & plaques throughout the ground floor with a bubble level and carpenter's square) daily for a week, b) do the refused task **to inspected standard** every morning for two weeks, or c) an Article 15.

Response by LCDR Michael Gordon made May 27 at 2021 2:06 PM

LCDR Michael Gordon — Thu, 27 May 2021 14:06:04 -0400

I had something of a similar situation happen with an E5 in my first command. Uniform was unsat, personal appearance was unsat, and when I was back-talked, I referred the member to my senior NCO (E7). "You'll not be having such a conversation with me. You will talk to Chief A." I explained what happened, told him of the uniform issues and appearance, and the back-talk to the CO (me), and had him handle it. I have no idea what he did, but next I saw the member, the member was in the proper uniform and squared away.

Response by 1LT Howard Foss made Jun 14 at 2021 12:48 PM

1LT Howard Foss — Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:48:17 -0400

late feb. 1966 fort bliss intake center. assigned a bunk, still in civilian clothes, for processing the next morning ( it's 2 am). this little person (say 5'-5") with a blue band around his shiny helmet liner with brass corporal stripes, started screaming at this very large (say 6'-5") freckled, red headed person in bib overalls. we were trying to get some sleep and the large person rolled over to avoid the screaming. the little person went to the other side of the bunk (the large person was on the top bunk) and started screaming. WHAM!, the little person went airborne and hit the wall. the little person appeared to be out cold, slumped against the wall. two nco's picked the little person up and we never saw him again.
so many fun stories, so little time. stay safe out there.
fast howard

Response by CW5 Roger Jacobs made Jul 6 at 2021 10:14 PM

CW5 Roger Jacobs — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 22:14:01 -0400

A leader can not let his authority be undermined. I would and did take the soldier and his immediate supervisor aside and asked why he was acting the way he was. If he has a problem that I didn't know about, I would take that into consideration. However, I would tell him that his actions would not be tolerated. I would explain that if he had a problem he and his supervisor should bring it to me to see if there was a way to solve it. If it is just a bad attitude, he would receive a written counseling and be told any further actions would get him an article 15 that would include him losing money and could lead to a dishonorable discharge. I would make sure he understood that his actions would not be tolerated.
I would then send him to complete the task he was assigned. Then I would talk to his supervisor and ask if he was setting the right example by not bad mouthing his leaders in front of the soldiers and impress on him his responsibilities as a leader.
I'll add a little advice. Never counsel a soldier without either his immediate leader/supervisor or your immediate leader in the room. Always have a witness who can back up what was said.

Response by MSG Eddie Robinson made Jul 7 at 2021 7:57 AM

MSG Eddie Robinson — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 07:57:54 -0400

As an E6 reserve going on temporary duty in an active unit, i assigned tasks for the day and had that smart mouthed E3 stand fast. Then had a soldier to soldier talk with him. Next day the PT test came about and he knew he was screwed!.

Response by SSG Adrian Walker made Jul 7 at 2021 11:14 PM

SSG Adrian Walker — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 23:14:59 -0400

Murder him, simply murder him. No muss no fuss.

Response by CPO Christian Simonsen made Jul 8 at 2021 10:26 AM

CPO Christian Simonsen — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 10:26:09 -0400

My Company Commander hit me square in the chest and knocked the wind out of me for replying to his question with "yeah", instead of "Yes, Sir."

Response by SGT James Grimball made Jul 8 at 2021 1:48 PM

SGT James Grimball — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 13:48:46 -0400

If he told me to shove it I would shove my fist in his goddam mouth.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2021 2:22 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 02:22:11 -0400

Ask them privately what the reason behind their behavior was. People are sometimes in a mental position that all military courtesies go right out the window. I remember I was frustrated one day and very emotional and I went off on the MSG and 1SG in their office, gladly they were nice about it.

Response by SSG Peter Kriz made Jul 9 at 2021 5:52 AM

SSG Peter Kriz — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 05:52:30 -0400

Low crawl through the mud pit, than roll over and do flutter kicks... till I’m tired!

Response by Sgt Russ Brayton made Jul 9 at 2021 11:07 AM

Sgt Russ Brayton — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 11:07:29 -0400

Happened to me once. I made a total ass of him in front of his friends. I told him I would Flip him for it, Heads I win, tails he lost; it was tails and he lost. Last time I had any problem with the man.

Response by 1stSgt Dan Boone made Jul 9 at 2021 2:26 PM

1stSgt Dan Boone — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 14:26:32 -0400

Like CWO3 John Bell, I would qualify as "old school" (or in our case as Marines, "Old Corps") so the bulkhead counseling could definitely have been an option in my day once all the facts were known.
However, I like GySgt Kenneth Pepper's approach very much, especially in our current day. I faced a similar situation as a company 1stSgt.
The original post doesn't mention occupational specialty, so for the sake of discussion, let's assume (since the post was from a Navy Chief) that this individual is a basic Seaman Apprentice looking to become a Boatswain's Mate. No need to bother the OIC, but the Division Chief definitely needs to get in the loop. So... SA (E2) Pollywog along with BM3 (E5) Bonehead definitely need to find themselves standing tall in front of the Division Chief's desk. Their Leading Petty Officer (usually an E6) should be there too so there are no mistakes. I would give SA Pollywog 1 shot at options. Those options being an Article 15 hearing or "other duties as assigned". If SA Pollywog decides to stupidly smartmouth the Chief, then Article 15. PERIOD! Otherwise, have Pollywog step back and square up BM3 Bonehead in front of the desk and, using carefully chosen words, promise the BM3 that if this situation is not resolved, the BM3 will be looking for another job. Then a single look at the Leading PO followed by 2 words, "You're next". Then tell all three of them you're going to get coffee, grab your cup and head for the hatch. Just before dogging it down, tell the ranking PO to make sure they clean up the office before they leave. Usually, the situation will resolve itself in short order. If not, start the process for showing SA Pollywog the door to civilian life.
At least that's my take.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 6:56 PM

Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 18:56:52 -0400

Shove it? Smdh. Wtf is wrong with kids these days?

Response by PO1 Joseph Collins made Jul 14 at 2021 10:33 AM

PO1 Joseph Collins — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 10:33:06 -0400

….kill them to make an example…oh wait…that was the old NAVY….

….in truth I had this happen twice…where I was the smarta** jr enlisted with a bad temper and I disrespected a Petty Officer/NCO…BOTH times I had some “leadership” laid on me by ANOTHER Petty Officer who had overheard the exchange…I was just to stupid for the first lesson in “leadership” to take effect…the SECOND time my “instructor” was a HUGE 2nd Class Boiler Technician…he hit me so hard I hit the bulkhead behind me, slumped to the deck and pissed my pants…that lesson took…this was 1975, Vietnam era….

The truth is that military service, due to the weapons, equipment, vehicles and environments we operate in, is an inherently dangerous profession. And, in war, a unbiased and brutal profession as well. Orders need to be followed, immediately, without question because people can get seriously injured, or dead, in a remarkably short amount of time, if those orders are NOT followed. Consequently, for some individuals, punishment for disobeying orders, or a higher up, sometimes needs to be somewhat brutal…it is far better to learn the consequences of your actions/inaction by getting an a** whuppin”…then by getting yourself, someone else, or a bunch of someone elses, seriously injured or killed on a battlefield or a flight deck….

Response by MCPO Jim Weatherford made Jul 14 at 2021 2:52 PM

MCPO Jim Weatherford — Wed, 14 Jul 2021 14:52:54 -0400

Normally I was always taught to praise in public and chastise in private however, in this case when you are blatantly disrespected in front of your squad you need to squash it right there with everyone listening. This sends the message to all hands that you are in charge and here's what the consequences are if you want to challenge me. Leave no room for interpretation.

Response by LCpl Kevin O'Maley made Jul 17 at 2021 4:53 PM

LCpl Kevin O'Maley — Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:53:39 -0400

In a manner that would change his attitude and life!! Semper Fi! 68-71

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Jul 21 at 2021 1:37 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:37:08 -0400

Had a case sinikar to thus when I was stilk a Pv2 while at Benning for jump school. There was another Pv2 in another squad, same platoon though, that mouthed off to one of tge Jump Masters before a training jump. That night Pv2 Dipshit was the proud receiver of an old fashioned "blanket party" Pv2 Shitbird went crying to the Top about what happened, He was unable to identify who the responsible partues were though. Somehow the Jump Master did manage ti figure out who the culprits were though. He calked us to the side that afternoon after trainibg and thanked us for straightening Pv2 Dipshit out though, with a warning to never do it again. Pv2 Dipshit straightened his act out and gradyated 3rd in our class from jump school. I ran into him again a few years later when I was at Bragg for a joint training exercise. He was in medical hold pending a medical discharge where he broke both his legs, his back and one arm during a bad jump.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Jul 26 at 2021 10:11 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 22:11:50 -0400

First of Chief (OC) George Martin how would you handle it? Second, I would hope that a senior E5 in any service would instinctively know exactly how to handle it!

After I relate what it was like on my first ship in the Navy I’ll tell you what I would have done.

Assigned to the Deck Force on my first ship, the USS SPERRY (AS12) a WWII Sub Tender, we had a daily routine. We were up 30 minutes before reveille on the wooden weather decks sweeping and swabbing. If it didn’t meet the Division LPO (a BM1/E6) we did it again, sweep and swab, no complaining allowed. The Deck Department had a Torpedoman 3rd Class (TM3/E4) who was the Department “Enforcer”. He was, as nicknames in the service go, called Tiny. At 6’5” and 245# he was anything but Tiny. If you were sent down to get a tool from Tiny you came back with the tool. If you not up to snuff the BM2 or BM1 would say “Go see Tiny” a not pleasant trip you’d have. I don’t know anyone getting sent to see Tiny the second time!

You can not do that today; although if his peers suffered along with him, like liberty delayed and his squad mates knew why they were working 2 extra hours it wouldn’t take long before the peer pressure would probably set him straight. It’s an excellent way to build teamwork. I can honestly say in my 30 years I’ve only had one person push me close to the limit. I didn’t take it to kindly when a E5 was claiming to all who would listen that he could do my job better then I. Unfortunately when you’re a CWO4 on your twilight tour of duty and on a 270’ long cutter the word gets back to you in a hurry! He ended up appealing the semi-annual evaluations I gave him; and I was asked by the XO (my boss) if I would change a couple of them instead of having it go to the CO…I did; but point made.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Jul 26 at 2021 10:24 PM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 22:24:06 -0400

Holy bats@#t Batman...let's just say that even if they had only been under my command for a few days they would already know that this was a quick surefire way to be on a fast rope to hate life ville. I believed in one thing more than anything else as a leader and as a soldier. Obedience to all orders unless they were illegal or put someone in unacceptable danger during peacetime. ALL my soldiers as well as all the soldiers within my unit knew this to be true so for one of my own to disobey would probably get a few exasperating remarks from all different ranks in my Platoon

Response by CPT George Blakey made Aug 3 at 2021 10:51 AM

CPT George Blakey — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 10:51:15 -0400

Time for behind the barracks drill!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2021 2:10 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 14:10:10 -0400

Make it their go home condition

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2021 7:38 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:38:15 -0400

In the army we have DA4856. which is a counseling form. Not sure what other branches have as an equivalent. Its a good place to start and creates a paper trail for legal to chapter them out of the military should things get that far. Anyways, I'd counsel them for insubordination and disrespect toward an NCO(two separate counselings). Both counselings would summarize how miserable their lives can get and inform them that the behavior, if uncorrected can and will result in their discharge from the military. Done in private of course.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2021 11:09 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Aug 2021 23:09:47 -0400

"shove it and give it to someone else." -refusal & disregard of orders, insubordination and disrespect to an NCO- Grand prize winner...

Too easy...no problem; you use the word "they", I'm I to believe this is a mutiny? If it is the single soldier the UCMJ provides remedies for this in short order.

Blatant refusal & disregard of orders, insubordination and disrespect to an NCO are not taken lightly, specifically in front of a formation. Many in that group are evaluating my next actions. They are watching to see if they can get away with this, I'm I weak, or if I'm going to crush him. Chances are many know this soldier already and think he's a shxtbag. To fail to act would lose the respect of all...his soul must be burned at the stake, for the good of the squad, platoon and company. Also the First Sergeant and CSM would likely counsel me for failure to rip his heart out.

He's not going to be a E-2 very long, he would be removed from formation immediately by me, with his team leader, placed in the pushup position away from the formation. I would excuse the remainder of the troops to go to their work assignments. He, his first line TL and I would go to the Platoon Sergeant at once, then to the First Sergeant.

I would begin my report and request for an article 15, I want his stripe. Pretty easy at that pay grade to snatch that fast. The Platoon Sergeant and the First Sergeant would easily agree with my conclusions. I have dealt with young men like this previously in my career.

If this was a one on one in private, I would handle it completely different. Counseling, progressive discipline, research his family issues ETC.

His heart has to be stomped on at once in this scenario you describe.

BTDT, most recently, last Aug dealt with a similar situation. The soldier is now on the right path and we are friendly.

Response by SGT Drue Rockwell made Aug 5 at 2021 11:29 AM

SGT Drue Rockwell — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 11:29:38 -0400

My opinion is informed by a mix of being trained infantry, old guard, a strict family, but tempered by my experience and good leaders. Translation: I'm giving you context and asking you to give credit to them for the good and blame me for the bad.

I dealt with this situation a few times, and my response was different, depending on the soldier. I advise calling him on it publicly insofar as making clear that such behavior will not fly, but wait till private to handle it further. (Tell the soldier and their team lead to stand fast when you release the rest.) Example: Well, gentlemen, we have a contestant for the Darwin Award! Somebody wants Daddy's attention! Alright, Private, you've got it! Fall out! Private _____, Specialist _______, stand fast!"

Then something along the lines of: "Now that you have my attention, would you like to say your piece before I say mine? Any defense? Any rationale to that little stunt?" (This isn't saying I think he is justified...it's a mix of good leadership letting him express it and think about how he screwed up, and also giving him the rope to hang himself)

When he is finished with his BS, assuming it is (never did have any good justification given for that kind of insubordination), my response might be:

"Specialist, I tend to think that such behavior is either a direct response to leadership or a lack of enough leadership...is this your work, or can you explain to me how he got so fucked as to think he had a bloody choice on lawful orders? No? Okay. I am going to give you 1 chance to handle this issue at your level before I step in. Private, I hope you'll consider your life decisions and the consequences thereof. My job is to make widows and orphans, to train others to do the same, and to make sure they do so as efficiently, lethally, and correctly, as possible. Don't make the mistake of turning me into your enemy when I can be your biggest asset. Specialist, he's yours this once."

(I prefer to handle things at the lowest level possible. After that, I write him up and he gets a LOT of corrective training...and I am a proponent of combatives PT at the woodline or otherwise for handling some things. Just dot your i's, cross your t's, and make sure your response is guided by the overall goal of improvement, NOT the [justified] rage at this little stain on the earth refusing to execute his purpose for existence.)

Key: Be smart, not just angry.

Response by MSgt Eric Roseberry made Aug 5 at 2021 12:17 PM

MSgt Eric Roseberry — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 12:17:04 -0400

Challenge to authority can be tricky. You cannot allow this to stand as it is not conducive to good order and discipline for the organization.
You are here asking, so I wonder how you managed the situation? Have you looked in the mirror and asked how your team got here?

Response by LT Michael Watson made Aug 5 at 2021 9:44 PM

LT Michael Watson — Thu, 05 Aug 2021 21:44:22 -0400

Okay, as a Navy LT from way back, I would very quietly, with direct motion come eye to eye with the said E2, calmly ask “what part of said lawful order did they not understand. Then , just as calmly turn to my Chief/Sr. Chief and in front of the unit “ask” the CPO to make the said E2 understand. Directly afterwards, the Senior and I would have a very clear discussion. Said E2 would be forever assigned to the 1st LT division and be hanging over the side in a bosun chair with a scrapper and paint brush.

Response by SPC David Christiansen made Aug 6 at 2021 2:46 PM

SPC David Christiansen — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 14:46:01 -0400

Put everyone else to work, then take them aside and talk to them on a personal level. Being a leader means recognizing when someone is going through something and being there to show they can trust and confide in you. If something is going on do what you can to help them through it and go do the work with them. We lead through example, not dictatorship. Dictators aren't leaders their pieces of shit.

If it's just them being a shitbag then start chapter paperwork, that has no place in the military and compromises unit cohesion and integrity.

Response by CPL Christopher Thomas made Aug 6 at 2021 3:23 PM

CPL Christopher Thomas — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 15:23:24 -0400

Yank him out of formation, make him stand at parade rest in from of the Top's door, and he cant go anywhere Top shows up to have the E-2 taken out and ran to death

Response by SGT John Hensley made Aug 6 at 2021 7:25 PM

SGT John Hensley — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:25:13 -0400

As a former Drill Sgt from the late 60s, I would have his ass! He will not dictate what he will and will not do to me!

Response by SPC Henry Francis made Aug 7 at 2021 10:44 AM

SPC Henry Francis — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 10:44:46 -0400

You can probably thank our snowflake society for this troop even thinking this would be okay. That said, this might just be the first poor choice made in his short military career. As a very young (17) new soldier I spent ten minutes locked at attention while the Ft Bragg Provost Marshal read me the riot act… no shouted it at me for a really dumb choice I made. I remember a particular phrase of his, “You are the first, and by God you’ll will be the last person to pull this stunt and NOT go straight to the stockade”. I made E-4 and earned the EIB within a year of that dumb choice. Just make sure he knows the consequences, in no uncertain terms, if he doesn’t repent (turn around, change his ways). I was ordered to spend 30-days in CCF (open door jail/boot camp redo) for it and lost 1 rank and some pay (ART-15) and this was after having made E-3 out of Basic Training.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Aug 8 at 2021 8:57 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 08:57:22 -0400

In the Marine Corps we can take care of our problems without going up the chain of command . . .

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 11:55 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 11:55:14 -0400

Smoke in right there. And give him the choice of do the job or get an AR15. With loss of rank & pay & extra duty.

Response by SPC Daniel Berliner made Aug 8 at 2021 3:42 PM

SPC Daniel Berliner — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 15:42:20 -0400

Explain to the young man that he is not home with mommy and daddy and that in the Army when your are given an order it's not a request. Also let them know that if this should happen again there will be disciplinary action, you only get one freebie.

Response by SFC Edward Sneed made Aug 8 at 2021 6:06 PM

SFC Edward Sneed — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 18:06:03 -0400

So, THIS is what has become of a well trained and disciplined army. Sounds like a boys scout camping trip to me! Seems like discipline it not enforced or reinforced like it use to be. You can't have control of a soldier and expect them to follow instructions to a 'T', if there's no discipline. It's what our army was based on! As a matter of fact, this soldier would BE disciplined by an Article 15 punishment without a second thought, and placed on lock down.

Response by SGT Jeff Long made Aug 9 at 2021 3:13 AM

SGT Jeff Long — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 03:13:13 -0400

Wall to wall counseling, extra duty, singlehanded Operation Clean Sweep. Chute shakeout after scooping up a lot of hastily packed parachutes. Shape up, or shape OUT

Response by MSG Bob S made Aug 9 at 2021 8:47 AM

MSG Bob S — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 08:47:21 -0400

I’m curious if this is an issue of friendship instead of leadership between this young soldier and his E5? When that line becomes blurred the leader/subordinate role is gone.

Response by LCpl Sandy Moran made Aug 16 at 2021 1:00 PM

LCpl Sandy Moran — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:00:47 -0400

Now a days I don't know , since the rules have changed. With that said he would have been given an article15 which could have fined him And or restriction to barracks. You can give him the choice a 15 or assignment. If you could give him Extra Extra PT as well as restriction. All PT done in front of the men. While you explain to the men why not to refuse orders. But I agree with all Nip it in the BUD.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2021 5:33 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 17:33:37 -0400

Opening up a package of whoop ass fajitas

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Aug 18 at 2021 3:49 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 15:49:20 -0400

I had one of these P.O.S. . That just happened to be black.
Every thing was because he was black. I tried talking to him explaining that skin color has nothing to do with who does what.
Some days you get the good jobs other day's you get the one's that suck.
I aske him where he got these Idea's from ?
According to him that is how it is , and has always been.
I then asked him who told him all this? He said his mother back in New Jersey.
Now am the type that will jump in some's shit at the time to figure out what the problem is.
Then I go from their.
This dumb kid had been raised to think he could never get any where.
He was in my platoon, Just put with us on a duty day.
So I do not how his leadership handled him.
I tried to get him to understand that if he keep going this way. He would more than likely be kicked out.
Then reminded him that he needed to look at the skin color of all the leadership from his team leader to the B.C.
It was reparative of how the Battalion was made up. He started to think a little differently.
I was given order's out and did not se him until about for years later and he was a E-5p.
Funny if you talk and teach the facts to people some of them will do the right thing.
Regardless of skin color.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Aug 25 at 2021 12:32 AM

CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) — Wed, 25 Aug 2021 00:32:40 -0400

Umm... OK, this is an old question but I'll bite. This question is being asked by a CPO (Officer Candidate), do you not know the answer? I have personally seen this in the early 80's in the Army, not just by new E-2's but by E-4's and E-5's. Pathetic but times were weird back then, many were holdovers from Vietnam or Post-Vietnam who would intentionally get busted back to E-1 upon a promotion to E-5 (repeatedly) or they were from the infamous "Retraining Brigade" at Ft Leavenworth. Back then an ass whooping was appropriate, oftentimes the 1SG would personally deal with these "soldiers" himself (Infantry). In basic (Ft Benning 1979), myself and another E-2 were given an order by our drill sergeant to take the offending E-1 and drag, if necessary, the offender to the 1SG's office and guard him until the 1SG arrived (we were having a bit of a riot at the time and most everyone was drunk after their first 6 hr pass). We did just that (he was whacked on drugs after the pass). If it happened in the 1st RGR BN you'd likely be beaten severely and tossed out thay day to the 24th ID at Ft Stewart and then ART 15'd. Assuming you survived the beating, that shit was an absolute no go there.

These days such things are fretted upon, depending on the unit. In this day and age as the E-5, I would repeat the order to insure it was clear and if I got the same result I'd grab two witnesses and have them immediately to write up a sworn statements (in the Army it's a DA 2823) as to what happened (along with mine) and refer it to the squad leader or platoon sergeant. An NCO can arrest a junior soldier for disobeying an order and can direct others to "accompany" the offender to an appropriate location as previously described. If you walk away from such a situation (as I've seen done), you will lose any respect you once had. Likely an ART 15 would be the result (and a trip to CCF back then). Fortunately today's servicemembers are better quality troops overall than from the late 70's and early 80's, at least in the Army Infantry. I'm of course not knocking those who served back then - I was one of them - but you all know this shit happened who were there.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Aug 31 at 2021 4:59 PM

SMSgt Sheila Berg — Tue, 31 Aug 2021 16:59:20 -0400

Keep notes. This problem child was allowed to continue to misbehave. It will affect group moral.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2021 8:31 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:31:47 -0400

Simple. Pass on by but do not change his mission. After formation, bring him in, have the counseling ready with your equal or higher. Tell him the circumstances from your position.counsel and advise no such actions will be tolerated. He signs the counseling with the understanding any such actions again could result in UCMJ action. Never back down, as a leader you must be honest, clear, and firm. If you demonstrate anything different, he will see sneakiness.

Response by PFC Shawn Imlay made Sep 14 at 2021 7:20 AM

PFC Shawn Imlay — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:20:53 -0400

WHAT? , really you want the biggest shit details I can find? Look Gentleman ! Privat flappylip wants to show his appreciation for God ... of his understanding , His Country , his Momma , His Brothers in arms. Everyone thank Private Flappylip !

Response by SGT Anthony Lopez made Sep 15 at 2021 2:32 PM

SGT Anthony Lopez — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:32:37 -0400

I do miss telling them let’s discuss it out side a little wall to wall counseling isn’t all that bad. Seriously though with today’s limitations on discipline it bed to dismiss everyone except him and his squad leader. You want someone present during counseling. Break out the paperwork ( which I strongly dislike but is necessary) write it up along with what corrections must be made. Verbally counsel him and is squad leader. Inform him the paperwork will go away if he does an about face otherwise it will be escalated. Have his squad leader pT the fuck out him while you supervise. I prefer in house discipline however UMCJ would dictate that a summarized article 15 for insubordination would be the next penalty if the troop persists. If you want to be by the book that’s what I can give you but again I personally prefer in house discipline, team should be a family discipline him like you would a son if you want the respect of a Father(leader) just my opinion and I’m a bit outdated my first enlistment starting in the 80s and all
Full metal jacket comes to mind lol

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Sep 16 at 2021 9:33 AM

SFC Mark Bailey — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:33:30 -0400

"Fire Team Leader, take the rest of the Fire Team and get those tasks done....PV@ Whiner stand fast and do not move until told to do so"

Then walk away and leave them there standing at attention, I'd leave them out there for at least an hour or so...with the Fire Team Leader checking on them at a distance to ensure compliance.

Return with the Squad Leader and a counseling statement filled out with the following recommendations
1- Because of the refusal to do the job.......Seven days extra training after hours, centered around the task they refused to do with the minimum equipment necessary to accomplish that job..... (hand scissors in order to cut the grass)
2- Because of the attitude shown and wording used to you......30 days of additional training at that specific task (if they refused to mow the grass, they will be given that task every day specifically)
3- Then comes the "Magic Bullet Counseling statement"....A statement on it spelling out the articles of the UCMJ you plan to charge them with if they ever do this again..... a company grade Art-15 (Captains Mast) in order to reduce them in rank and take money out of their pocket for disobeying the directions given to them by a senior ranking NCO in charge of them. This used to include a statement that they would be recommended for a 30 day stay in "Charlies Chicken Farm" (Custodial Correction Facility....or a Base Correctional internment facility)

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Sep 17 at 2021 2:30 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 14:30:09 -0400

This answer seems cut and dried, as in that's what you do to this poor PFC's keister. Enlisted matter; don't bother the Officers and CERTAINLY don't bother the CO.

Very well. Moreover, I (as a Sr. Grade Officer) would understand this.

Now, here's where I would like to go "above and beyond." PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd (note acronym) has done what some of us in the business call "acting out." As a Sr. Ranking Officer (and very likely CO or Deputy) I become interested in the "Why's" of these things.

So, number one: I would like to know when such things happen in my unit. (Let's say I'm in the CO role, here)

Number two: I would like to know how it was handled (this is not to judge, simply to observe that the process was followed).

Number three, I would like to know if PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd would like to consider a change of attitude. As an initial action, I would ask the opinion of the NCO leadership.

Number four, I would like to see if there was anything in PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd's life that would trigger such behavior, and is there anything that could be done about it (one might be surprised).

Number five, I would like to know PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd's intention regarding his career; does he want to continue in the US Armed Forces (anywhere, including the NG, etc.). Again, at this point I would get a report from the NCO leadership.

Number six, I would like to chat with NCO leadership about PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd. This is not to make any judgements on this PFC, or the NCO leadership, but to simply gain some intel on the matter. As the CO, the entire unit is my responsibility; if something is happening that is causing PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd's momentary insanity then I need to know, enlisted matter or not.

Number seven, I would want to review any/all corrective actions. Again, this is not to judge but to simply observe that the process was followed. Okay, I might judge if I think things could be done better, but (because it's an Enlisted matter) I would want to consult with the NCO leadership.

Number eight (finally), I would like to see if a chat with PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd might produce any results. I would approach it matter-of-factly. No raised voices, no threats, no promises. Again, it's my job (as a CO) to see to the effectiveness of the entire unit; a "disturbance" of even one member is not too small a detail to ignore. The inputs of my NCO leaders would be fresh in my mind, and I could see about getting any insights into the situation. If PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd wants a career change, it could be easily accommodated. If PFC SelfHypnotizedImportantTurd would like to continue with the DOD (it's a great career!) then I would like to see if some agreement could be reached. (Agreement, as in you need to cut this crap out or we'll cut your crap out of this unit. Sorry, not negotiating at this moment. Your unit supervisor will have some duties for you. Do them. We can chat later if that all works out.)

Response by MSG Dale Fairbanks made Oct 25 at 2021 9:35 PM

MSG Dale Fairbanks — Mon, 25 Oct 2021 21:35:38 -0400

Put the little shit in charge of leading PT, as well as a counseling. This demonstrates to him the responsibilities of leadership, and also puts him on notice that his mouth will not be tolerated. Also, find the worst shit detail you can find to keep him busy.

Response by SP5 John Burleson made Oct 31 at 2021 2:44 PM

SP5 John Burleson — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 14:44:35 -0400

Whens the last time the local cesspool has been bailed out? Lower ranking EMs want things to "be fair" and maybe this guy has been given shit details a lot more than his squadmates (from his viewpoint).

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Nov 8 at 2021 4:34 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 16:34:31 -0500

I would discipline them. As an E-4 I was assigned to duty aboard an Aircraft Carrier. We were in port and had received a number of big rigs to unload to be placed aboard the ship by a crane. It required putting all the crates and boxes on pallets. I had a total nine men, E-2s and E-3s. I told them what we were going to do and how. I said let's get it done. One E-3 asked me where I would be having coffee and smoking while they worked. I did not feel that was disrespectful and deserved any disciple. So, I responded. "I will be in the truck passing the boxes to the assembly line I asked for. You may not know this from previous experience but, I have the duty as well as you. Just because I am in charge does not mean I cannot or should not work." I asked if there were any more questions. You could hear a pin drop. While we were working, a Chief Petty Officer came by and asked where the sailor in charge was. They said inside the truck helping with the unloading. He could not believe what he heard and entered the truck. He asked me what I was doing. I said it should be obvious, I have the Duty just as they do and WE are getting the job done. I was not sure if he was stunned or impressed but he left. The next day there was a note in the Plan Of The Day which I printed the previous evening. "ALL PETTY OFFICERS WHO HAVE THE DUTY ARE EXPECTED TO ACTUALLY WORK ALONGSIDE THEIR DUTY PARTY." I think I made a great many enemies that week.

Response by SPC Daniel Killam made Nov 8 at 2021 11:24 PM

SPC Daniel Killam — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 23:24:06 -0500

Do everything you can to make him hate you, the unit and the Army. He'll wise up and start licking boots eventually.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Nov 9 at 2021 7:31 PM

1SG Jeffrey Mullett — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 19:31:20 -0500

First, disrespect in the ranks is not tolerated.
I would take him aside, and offer him a chance to correct his attitude. If that didn't work, I would put him back in formation and make an example of him. If he still didn't correct his attitude, I would hand him to the Platoon Sergeant. If that is the position I am holding at that time, it would go to the 1SG.
The determination of an Article 15 or chapter would be up to the command.

Response by MSG Brian Odonnell made Nov 10 at 2021 11:42 PM

MSG Brian Odonnell — Wed, 10 Nov 2021 23:42:00 -0500

Sounds like a go time to let him experience wall to wall counseling.

Response by MSG Robert Weston made Nov 11 at 2021 3:04 AM

MSG Robert Weston — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 03:04:49 -0500

Let them know that this is not up for discussion. Write counseling and may recommend for summarize Art 15

Response by SSG Patrick O'Flaherty made Nov 11 at 2021 1:18 PM

SSG Patrick O'Flaherty — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:18:02 -0500

It's not a democracy. PT his ass on the spot in front of the formation. Then dismiss the formation accept for the idiot in the push up position and quietly explain to him you will PT his ass every chance you get until he complies. Then ask him if everything is ok with him.

Response by PV2 Duane Schlender made Nov 11 at 2021 7:40 PM

PV2 Duane Schlender — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 19:40:11 -0500

Knowing what kind of soldier this is turning out to, to me, I would give this E2 an article 15. Let some punishment sink in. I doubt "drop and give me 20" would have any effect. so, give an article 15. Take away weekend pass. Remove the soldier from things they want to do, and show them what it means to act out.

Not much else, in my opinion, you can do. If they tell you to shove it from a work detail, they will do the same with exercise and everything else. They have no respect for you or anyone else. The article 15 will put them in a place to mandatorily comply, or have worse issues.

On the flip side, there should be consideration to if the soldier is having issues you don't know about (like death in family, girlfriend leaving.. something to set them off). Has this soldier exhibited this behavior before? is this new or common of this soldier??? All things considered... this is the best I can think to say. I have not seen regulations since 2000. I was never above the rank of E2 myself. I do not know more than I DO know. SO, for those that know more.. please forgive me if my answer is not up to par.

Response by PFC David Tomlinson made Nov 11 at 2021 8:02 PM

PFC David Tomlinson — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 20:02:20 -0500

I would have had company duty for 2 weeks, if not an Article 15.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Nov 12 at 2021 6:28 PM

SFC Francisco Roman — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:28:38 -0500

Believe me, if that was to happen in my Days. Shitbird PFC... would have been begging me for mercy.. in my Days as a Drill Sargeant there was no problem giving this PFC a really good ass crying day. He would have been asking God for mercy.

Response by SP5 Norman Binder made Nov 12 at 2021 6:32 PM

SP5 Norman Binder — Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:32:11 -0500

The Classic...drop and give me 50...pushup's. If he is defiant, he probably want's out of the military. After a stay in a military lock up...boot him out.

Response by PO2 Steve Clyburn made Nov 13 at 2021 3:05 PM

PO2 Steve Clyburn — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 15:05:30 -0500

The only one that did that to me, spent three days on bread and water in the brig.

Response by Cpl Robert Hicks made Nov 13 at 2021 6:50 PM

Cpl Robert Hicks — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 18:50:54 -0500

Is say as an NCO and now with over 20 years experience and a “Lieutenant” in a paramilitary organization, calm and cool is unequivocally how is react. I’ve seen way too much and have maybe an “ol’ man” attitude toward this. My reaction would be something like this, PFC So and So, if you would be so kind to accompany me after formation, I would love to hear your concerns on this matter in a private setting, ( never showing any overreacting emotion). If Mr PFC discussed this manner rationally, I would calmly and assertively inform him that he will suffer punishment befitting his insubordination and also make 100% clear he will never, not ever have a similar issue in the future! This is the Ol’ Man approach, being Old and having the utmost respect of the rest of the formation, this will almost always be “enough”. If the PFC reacts very emotionally he will see a dark side he will never want to see again, but it will be done in private, (this is also the confidence that comes with leading men for over 25 years in both the military and paramilitary organizations.

Response by SPC Suad Hadzijic made Nov 13 at 2021 7:36 PM

SPC Suad Hadzijic — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:36:08 -0500

Make him do crossfit while you tell him how he is supposed to behave and why he needs to be that way. That's how I learned. I never purposely messed up ever again. I still got smoked though because I was still in the process of becoming a soldier and that's how it works...made no room for error. Tight ship.

Response by SPC Suad Hadzijic made Nov 13 at 2021 7:48 PM

SPC Suad Hadzijic — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:48:04 -0500

I forgot to mention sometimes people fight back because of health concerns but usually it's just a dominance competition and they are fully able to compete.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Nov 13 at 2021 10:28 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:28:25 -0500

All my 21 years of service I had my fare share of this and it was corrected on the spot. However on my 21st year I had one to buck up and he said "You can't order me to do that task" I replied "I asked you first and you reject, then I ordered you to do it and you still rejected to do it. So I gave a Lawful Order to do the task" He went to the area where the task was to be done and he wasn't there. Then I got called to the 1st SGT's office. 1st SGT said I can't do that after I explained the situation and my self. 1st said "Don't let it happen again. I said "It won't" and went directly to Personnel Office and submitted my Retirement Papers. Not dealing with these snot nosed snowflakes that is still tied to Mommy's Apron Strings. I even had a WOC Packet in at that time.

Response by PO3 Wayne Ballard made Nov 14 at 2021 1:26 AM

PO3 Wayne Ballard — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 01:26:41 -0500

I, an E4, told a E2 to do something (we all had a long, and bad duty period,) he asked why, I told him because everyone else had other stuff to handle before we could get liberty. He then said "but why do I have to do this?" Me, wanting to go home and upset he is questioning my order said sternly "Because you are a non-rate and I am a petty officer, and I just gave you an order to do it." He reluctantly completed the task, but then told my superiors about the incident, both my fellow MK3 (he was also there,) and I were called to the rec deck, they asked what happened, we both said exactly what happened, then they asked which one of us said to do it because the E2 "was a non-rate" and "I'm a petty officer?" They thought my fellow MK3 was the one who said it because he seems like the type to say something like that, but I owned up to it and said I did. They were both surprised, but none the less, I got chewed out about it. Looking back I should have phrased my order differently, without using my frustration, but I didn't. I did end up apologizing to the E2, because yes he was questioning a lawful order, but given the overall circumstances, I was a little bit out of line by pulling rank to get him to fall in line.

We were all having a bad day, and I should have held my tongue and explained why he was given that task differently. If you are a new leader, take my experience as an example of what not to do in such a situation. Yes I could have argued that I was in the right, and the E2 was in violation of UCMJ for his actions, but at the end of the day, we are all humans. We all still have bad days, and that's not a hill I was willing to die on, I just wanted to swallow my pride and make things right with the E2. I still have a lot to learn about leading others, and therefore I would appreciate any constructive feedback anyone has on this incident.

Response by CWO4 John Powe made Nov 14 at 2021 4:48 PM

CWO4 John Powe — Sun, 14 Nov 2021 16:48:18 -0500

Under the stated conditions, I place him on report and let the military's justice system work, with hopefully the little twerp is taken to NJP, Captain's Mast-Navy. It happened in front of the troops, in formation, you really have no choice. The E2 hasn't earned any latitude in this instance. One thing is don't get in a pissing contest in front of the troops, when you do you lose that one.
You're in charge act like you know that.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Nov 15 at 2021 1:17 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:17:24 -0500

I had this BS with an E3 that refused to make morning coffee after having section duty the previous day. I told him I would talk to him after morning quarters, I made the coffee. Even after a private discussion he still refused so I wrote him up. He refused the CPO, Div Officer, and XO. He went to captain mast, lost his E4 promotion, and was busted to E2. I then left the ship as I was getting out. He ended up getting written up for another offense during Ops in Vietnam and ended up in the brig on the carrier.

Today he is a priest... go figure

Response by Sgt William Fulbright made Nov 15 at 2021 3:25 PM

Sgt William Fulbright — Mon, 15 Nov 2021 15:25:10 -0500

I know what my NCO’s did. That was the day I found out what “ain’t no rank behind the tank meant. But nowadays I’m sure you’re not allowed to take him behind the tank and give him a wall to wall Counsiling so I guess ask him nicely not to do it again? I don’t know.

Response by SGT Scott Carter made Nov 17 at 2021 12:16 AM

SGT Scott Carter — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 00:16:18 -0500

I have been out for a long time, so this might not be acceptable in today's US Army. My answer would be "RUTHLESSLY" and all that entails The mere fact that one of your troops had the balls to do such a thing... well there is obviously an issue within the unit that needs to be dealt with ASAP. I would likely make an example of the soldier in question if for no other reason than to show the rest of the unit what happens when you "step on your dick" personally, professionally, and PUBLICLY!

Response by Sgt Tom Gainer made Dec 1 at 2021 3:28 PM

Sgt Tom Gainer — Wed, 01 Dec 2021 15:28:11 -0500

Back in the “old Corps infantry Vietnam days” crap ya I said it …………..we would have thumped his ass and put him on point for several operations. FNG sometimes are a pain in the ass, but like all of us everyone needs to learn and trust me, being a FNG on point will teach you quickly both to do as ordered and do it without hesitation.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Dec 12 at 2021 1:44 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 13:44:24 -0500

Wow!! I would write them up (counsel them) for disrespecting an NCO and disobeying orders and give them correctional duties that would take away much of their time and that are physically taxing. For example, before PT (around 5:30 a.m.) they would have to report to duty in ACUs and perform police call around the battalion or battery/company area and when they were finished they would have to change into PTs and still do PT. Before they go home in the evening, they would have to clean up some kind of cleaning details. If after all that or during that, they were still disrespectful then it’s time to start recommending for punishment

Response by SN Dale "CG" Veach made Dec 30 at 2021 2:09 PM

SN Dale "CG" Veach — Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:09:16 -0500

E2 smart mouthing? He'd be an E1 really fast

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2022 6:46 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:46:57 -0500

There was a time when there was no question as to what to do.

Response by CPT Jay Ward made Jan 17 at 2022 11:27 AM

CPT Jay Ward — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:27:56 -0500

Possible Article 15 or counseling session, advising them that such behavior is not tolearted in the civilian sector either.

Response by PO1 Frank Downs made Jan 17 at 2022 6:11 PM

PO1 Frank Downs — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:11:10 -0500

In the old days he would be picking himself up off the deck but this is the kindler, gentler military.
Before you beat me up for that view Google Chinese/Russian military training

Response by PO2 Ronnie Chandler made Jan 18 at 2022 5:31 PM

PO2 Ronnie Chandler — Tue, 18 Jan 2022 17:31:10 -0500

Hard and fast nail him right there and show there is no room for attitude

Response by SSgt James Mathews made Jan 19 at 2022 1:19 PM

SSgt James Mathews — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 13:19:57 -0500

What has the military come to? What is this individual going to do if he is sent into a combat zone and told to advance? Is he going to tell the sergeant to get someone else? Is this the type of person that is expected to defend the United States? This person should be given an article 15 at least. Let's go back to 1959, Fort Knox, and Let's see if someone would get away with this then. I did not know that it has come down to being able to pick and choose what you wanted to do in the military. Looks like we need to change some of the top leaders of the military to stop this and quit worrying about CRT and WOKE.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2022 10:22 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Jan 2022 22:22:36 -0500

Lol....There are several ways to handle this situation, I'm going to assume this the new generation of Soldiers. Once I release everyone that Soldier will standfast, it's obvious this Soldier is going through something and it's my job as a leader to find out. Once the issue is identified and some type of resolution is given. Then I would have a conversation with the Soldier anotating everything on a DA Form 4856 explaining where he/she went wrong and the consequences of his wrong doing. Once the dust clear he/she would no longer be a fresh E2 with less than a year in, he/she would be a newly demoted E1 with less than a year in.

Response by SP5 ArizonaPoet . made Jan 21 at 2022 12:57 PM

SP5 ArizonaPoet . — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:57:38 -0500

Re-assign the duty to another squad member.
Make note of the situation.
When PVT SB's up for promotion to E3 give copies of your notes to Platoon SGT.

Response by SP5 ArizonaPoet . made Jan 21 at 2022 1:00 PM

SP5 ArizonaPoet . — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:00:23 -0500

Give work assignment to the most influential squad member that didn't have an assignment. He will take care of his peer. Make a note of the situation. When PVT SB's
up for promotion kick him out under AR 635-200, General But Honorable Discharge.
Did this 100 times in my career.

Response by SSG Walter R Cooke JR made Jan 21 at 2022 3:29 PM

SSG Walter R Cooke JR — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 15:29:11 -0500

WOWSERS! I started in the INFANTRY MAN and ended in the SIGNAL COPRS, first and for most if I am in charge I am in CHARGE. PUNITIVE ARTICLES 77 THRU 134 were under glass on my desk! I learned this from another Noncom "THIS AINT BURGER KING and You don't get it your way"
Times have changed since my time (RETIRED 1996) however Put the young soldier in charge of his peers and make him responsible for the task! Watch his attitude and demeanor change like the flipping of a switch. SECONDLY, counseling is TIME well spent, both positive and motivational
My last experience was the best! I was assigned as a STUDENT PLT Sgt E-5, I handed out latrine duties and this young buck told me he wasn't cleaning no urinlas so I marched into the first latrine and cleaned the urinal to the degree that I could have drank from it. Never had another problem! When I PCSED to Germany that young soldier was there and so were about 15 of the peer group. Reputation made! Several years later a young LT and wife came to visit me, she asked about the incident and was told the same story, she kissed him gently and said I know where you really get it from now! Point lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way! If you have to run to the PSG, PLT LDR , 1ST SGT, or COMMANDER you are ineffective as leader. One day soldiers lives will be in you hands for split decisions actions and WITHOUT RESPECT and Obedience to orders you are setting yourself up for FAILURE!! CONGRESS APPOINTED YOU, READ YOUR PROMOTION ORDERS. THE SECECTARY of The ARMY HAS RESPOSE SPECIAL TRUST (ECT...)
God Bless those who SERVE, HAVE SERVED AND WHO ARE SERVING TODAY!

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Jan 21 at 2022 5:45 PM

SGT Bill Braniff — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 17:45:27 -0500

Oh how I miss the good old days of the sixties. In basic a DI could and did take out instant reprisals against anyone who disobeyed or didn't do the task at hand to the DI's satisfaction. A swift but subdued kick in the balls, a crack across his head, a kick in the ass, eatthos ebutts on the ground. give me the dying cock roach position til I tell you to move. 50, 75 or even a 100 push-ups.
Cruel and painful as shit but you know what? Those guys that had to go into action knew what they were doing. Most of my basic and AIT groups were about 90% OCS guys heading off to the 90 day wonder schools. The lessons were learned. in todays pansy military that all would be unthinkable and it's too bad too. I got bounced around a few times and never once held it agains the DI's.

Response by Robert Jewkes made Jan 21 at 2022 6:33 PM

Robert Jewkes — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:33:25 -0500

Shitbird would be on every nasty cleaning detail in my command, plus his original Lawful order assignment. If he mouths further or slacks off he'd get additional lawful assignments that would etract from as much sleep time as allowed. After that the Brigg followed with circular file of his career.

Response by PO1 Steven Ewing made Jan 21 at 2022 8:47 PM

PO1 Steven Ewing — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:47:59 -0500

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Jan 21 at 2022 9:22 PM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 21:22:19 -0500

Finish up the briefing, dismiss everyone else to their tasks and then correct the E2. After the correction, send them to complete the assignment

Response by MAJ Chris Ebertz made Jan 22 at 2022 2:55 PM

MAJ Chris Ebertz — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 14:55:43 -0500

I would do the same as what I would expect being an E2 smart mouth myself. I would and have put him/her in the front leaning rest position so he/she could more clearly explain to our feet. Had him repeat his comments in front leaning rest position. Then have him recover and asked him if he had any further comments

Response by MAJ Chris Ebertz made Jan 22 at 2022 3:01 PM

MAJ Chris Ebertz — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:01:17 -0500

I would as I have in the past put him in the front leaning rest position. Then, tell he to repeat his comments so that the boots on the ground can better understand him. Afterwhich, order him to recover and asked him if he had any further comments to make to the boots on the ground.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2022 4:36 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Jan 2022 16:36:00 -0500

Easy... they go to the LPO (E-6) and the LPO tells them what they are expected to do as the E-5 told them and tell them to apologize to the E-5. Anything less than that happens after LPO intervention and they are at parade rest in front of my office after my LPO comes to me.

Response by SSG Brian Carpeneter made Jan 23 at 2022 4:32 PM

SSG Brian Carpeneter — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:32:44 -0500

I answered this thread not long ago and I can only say that by the answers of alot of the current NCO'S I am SO glad I'm retired. Half my Sergeants because that's what alot of these are if you get my meaning would have been on their way out the door. Tear them up and feed them to their peers was always the best way plus some very strong corrective training that will go a long way hell put might actually learn and be better for it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2022 9:02 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 21:02:33 -0500

In the old days I would rip their throat out. But being in the kinder gentler Army I would suggest not doing that. But that is behavior that CANNOT be tolerated. Especially in front of the troops. Remember, if they laugh at you in peace time they will laugh at you in war. I would suggest you call that soldier out for their disrespect and immediately after formation you bring the soldier and their first line in your office and take disciplinary action.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Jan 23 at 2022 10:30 PM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:30:28 -0500

Back when I was in a little fan room counseling would have been in order. In today's kinder gentler military, that's probably a career killer.

Response by MSgt Janice Trojan made Jan 23 at 2022 10:53 PM

MSgt Janice Trojan — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 22:53:48 -0500

Nipped at the bud. I am not the "alpha" person-Dang. I believe drawing a line in the line. Do or see chief or 1st sergeant. . Career at stake.

Response by PO3 Mike Hayden made Jan 24 at 2022 1:17 AM

PO3 Mike Hayden — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 01:17:31 -0500

Article 15 right up for disobeying a direct order. Recommend max restriction to base restrict all liberty and let it be known that should the individual repeat this behavior that everyone would be restricted to base. The rest of his platoon should instruct the newbe on proper military berring.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Jan 24 at 2022 2:05 AM

Cpl Craig Howard — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 02:05:42 -0500

I had a "Discipline Problem" handed to me from a different department. He had respect for me and my Superiors were impressed that I had him in line. That ended when he back talked our 2nd LT under his breath in front of me. My fellow marines thought I was soft on this guy... until that day. Article 15 was the rule of the day.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2022 3:21 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 03:21:14 -0500

Had this issue before, smoked the whole squad. Ensuring that they understood why. His behavior was much better ….

Response by Sgt John Acuna made Jan 24 at 2022 12:25 PM

Sgt John Acuna — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:25:52 -0500

File the report have him thrown in brig and in front of board members for insubordination and dishonorable discharge cause it looks like he is gonna have a hard life and needs to learn

Response by TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson made Jan 24 at 2022 4:12 PM

TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 16:12:55 -0500

Pull the troop aside and tell them that they crossed the line. Depending upon the troop, give a few days a shit details and see if they get religion. If they complain, offer paperwork in lieu of AND continue giving them shit details because they could not see the wisdom of shutting up and coloring and taking more of my time. If they are a habitual dirtbag, then option 2 with no room for them to even "explain." Frankly, if they have problems affecting their comportment to the point of insubordination then tell them to go to the chaplain, on their own time and after their duties are all satisfactorily completed.

Response by SSgt Gerald Morris made Jan 24 at 2022 6:03 PM

SSgt Gerald Morris — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 18:03:04 -0500

Well, when the SHIT BIRD awakens from his COMA ( self Defense, of course ), I would write him / her up for insubordination and make sure the charges are known as serious, all the way through the chain of command. Of course, I am an OLD SALT, and I understand, with the NEW CORPS being " WOKE " and all, I would sincerely apologize if I had in any way offended the SHIT BIRD and BEG for their forgiveness.

Response by SSgt Phil Sutherland made Jan 24 at 2022 9:05 PM

SSgt Phil Sutherland — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 21:05:47 -0500

Office hours! I would not tolerate blatant disrespect or risk total failure in discipline.

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Jan 25 at 2022 8:34 AM

CPL Brian Clouser — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:34:37 -0500

In the old Army Pvt Shithead would have been introduce to wall to wall counseling. Since this is the kinder and gentle Army that isn't an option I might do this:
1) Have Pvt Shithead and his sqd leader to go to my "office"
2) Inform the rest of the troop that they all have extra duty for the next 2 days and they can thank Pvt Shithead for that, ,then dismiss them
3) Explain to the Sqd leader my wishes and he is to ensure that they are carry out.
4) Inform the Pvt. that for the next week he has extra duty AND if he has a problem with that, we can see the CO to find out what he think about it
As much as I hated "mass punishment" it tend to work

Response by SPC David Young made Jan 27 at 2022 9:49 PM

SPC David Young — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:49:02 -0500

Unfortunately, some people have to learn things the hard way. That was me at 19 years old, an E2 in the Army. I learned. Things might have gone easier for me if I had learned a little bit faster. There are ways to get one's attention that don't require putting him in front of the commander for an Article 15. When I was on active duty, there were a couple of terms like "motivational counseling" and "corrective training."

Response by SPC Julio R. made Feb 5 at 2022 4:54 PM

SPC Julio R. — Sat, 05 Feb 2022 16:54:02 -0500

Look at all you so-called leaders acting like your word is god, sorry to tell you your word means jack sht and jack just left the building. All you wanna be hardasses talking about laying the smackdown via paperwork. So glad I don't have to work with egocentric pos. Quick to throw out paperwork or "if it was me" bullshit. Take that soldier to the side and smoke the living piss out of him and if he refuses then why bother start chapter paperwork.
look at all you S on your chest zeros acting all hard on the internet. some of yall sound like your spouse wears the pants in the family and since you can't chew her out you go to work and chew out someone thinking is your dependa. get rid of him plain and simple, now try to figure out what is wrong with the troop first see wtf is going on. don't give me this we have too many soldiers bs. It's garbage leadership toxic like you that ruin the military. "look at me" I'm sarnt so and so and I beat Chuck Norris so listen to me bs.
hem up the smart mouth pos troop simple, but if you think your cool chewing him out in front of your fellow NCOs to get cool points then you are a real pos blue falcon cheese dck. just send the troop packing drive him to the main gate and head back to you troops.

Response by PO2 Malcolm Moren made Feb 22 at 2022 12:06 PM

PO2 Malcolm Moren — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:06:08 -0500

First I was the senior E-5 petty officer in my command with 4 junior E-5 it was not easy . But with every person under my authority I found it beneficial to know their back story ,they were all good Men but each had a different driving force pushing them to do their job an duty . Understand the person an you will not have major problems.

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Mar 2 at 2022 8:32 AM

SGT Robert Andrews — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:32:04 -0500

Take up 3/4 of their Saturday police call the entire motor pool. Saturday Morning PT and Afternoon PT... Then PFC dirtbag does it again repeat until The Squad gets pissed and handles dirtbag

Response by PO1 Craig Anthony made Mar 3 at 2022 5:37 PM

PO1 Craig Anthony — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 17:37:55 -0500

A little fan room liberty would be called for.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2022 6:23 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 06:23:57 -0500

When I was a PL, that happened once or twice. I would just look at my PSG, he'd nod, and I'd watch the smoke. It was rare though. I had an amazing PSG who didn't let shit slide. We were a great team.

Response by PV2 Paul Petty made Mar 4 at 2022 9:43 AM

PV2 Paul Petty — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:43:15 -0500

E5 should take a course in "How to win friends and influence people" BULL SHI7 put E2 aSSS in front of the First Sarg and his squad. Lets see what happens E2's assss would not see any day light above the 6 x 5 x 8 grave that he'd be digging till next Sunday. Also, loss of a weekend pass and or PX privileges. MAKE an example of him for any future insubordinate issues with the E2 and the rest of troops. Dale Carnegie book was not for GI's East Texas old goat.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2022 7:44 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 07:44:17 -0500

If ur handing out assignments for the day then to me that is like giving them a Direct Order. I would ask them what rank they are and what rank I am. And Who out ranks who and who is in charge of doing this. If they come up with the right answer then I would tell them u were given a Direct order to do a job and u Will Do it and do it properly and in a timely manner or u will be having several LONG days and have class time as a refresher on Rank, What Orders Are and when given an order how u will react, period. And then given a test on it all that they better pass at 100%. The extra duty would be 2 wks long 1st time.

If it continues then I would give them an ART-15 if poss. and be restricted to barracks and extra details out the wahzoo and if they are married I would still want them in the Barracks. And then its time to get the whole team in some drill that they have to work together and work hard to complete and have a different one each day so the people he works with get tired of it and they put pressure on the kid messing up cause they know he is the reason for it. This would be a month long this time and after this I would be looking to put them down to a slick sleeve and they would be getting the dirtiest jobs every day for as long as in allowed and they would be given the min. time allowed to get cleaned up enough to eat and have a bag meals.

Hopefully this person or persons will fall in line and u do not have to do more.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Mar 6 at 2022 10:38 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 10:38:58 -0500

I am at a total loss of words here. Who was doing what to who's chickens? "Here's the background. You're a senior E5." Okay but what is your position in the chain of command?
"Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day." ASSUMPTION at this point your working as a Platoon Sgt.? If this part is true, Why are you talking to a E-2 directly at all? You would pass the assignments out by Squad to the Squad leader the squad leader picks the Soldier for the task. Other wise you have a total loss of the COC.
So as a Squad Leader "You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command." So it is you and the Squad and the rest of the Platoon has moved on. I don't care if the PVT. Has two years as an E-2 this is not important at this point. I tag said PVT. with the task any refusal at this point is refusal for following a lawful order.
They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. My statement Assistant Squad leader meet me with said Pvt after work call and we can discuss this, At that meeting anything Said PVT says and anything i say is a matter of record, noted by the Assistant Squad leader.
"You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else." Now at this Point the PVT will have some education coming at my expense and pleasure. Everything from on the spot correction up to NJP. JMT

Response by SGT Richard Hanson SSP/CGS made Mar 6 at 2022 6:25 PM

SGT Richard Hanson SSP/CGS — Sun, 06 Mar 2022 18:25:33 -0500

I would have Private Turd Bird and his Squad Leader remain in place while I dismissed the rest of the platoon. Then I would explain to the Squad Leader and Private Turd Bird that ALL LAWFUL ORDERS MUST BE OBEYED INSTANTLY WITHOUT HESITATION. I would reiterate that we are in the Army not the Boy Scouts and that ALL things we do are training for our one and only purpose and that is to fight a war. Then I would send the Squad Leader on his merry way to do Squad Leader things. Then I would explain to Private Turd Bird that in combat you don't have time to think you only have time to act on orders you are given. Hesitation or refusal means either you die or someone else dies.
Then I would ask Private Turd Bird if he has ever heard of the Grass Drill? It teaches instantaneous compliance with orders! Start by running in place. "Attention, in place forward march, hup, ho, your left, Right, At the double in place forward march, Hup, Ho, Left, Right" "Now while you are running listen carefully to me, when I say on your face, you hit the Front leaning rest position and start doing pushups, when I say on your back, you flip onto your back and start doing set ups, when I say on your feet you regain your feet and continue running in place" Do you understand? Good! Ready, on your face, hup, ho, hup, ho, hup, ho, hup, ho. On your back, hup, ho, hup, ho, hup, ho, hup, ho. On your Feet. Hup,ho, hup, ho, hup, ho ---------------------- ON your Face---------------------on your back --------------------- on your face-------------------------------- on your feet ------------------------------ on your face----------------------------------, on your back --------------------------- on you face, ------------------------ on your feet--------------------------------- Halt. At Ease, I am going to give you a two minute break don't waste it by trying to talk to me or anyone else. After two minutes back to running in place then on your face. and so on. After about 10 minutes of this I would ask him if he would rather do this all day or go get after the job I sent him on in the first place.

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Mar 10 at 2022 4:08 PM

CPL Raul Perez Jr — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:08:16 -0500

Have him stand fast after plt is dismissed. Explain you are in the Army and will follow lawful orders. If he still mouth off, counseling or “special duties”.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Mar 10 at 2022 5:28 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 17:28:54 -0500

Finish the formation, have first sergeant send the E2 to my office ASAP and commence what can be the worst and best part of being a leader. A monumental butt chewing that has the idiot quivering on his feet.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Mar 10 at 2022 7:37 PM

COL Carl Jensen — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:37:18 -0500

I refuse to answer that because it isn't my Army anymore. I wouldn't know what I was dealing with in today's Army. I suspect that in the near future, it may be Unionized. In the old days, the Sgt would have the E-2 dig a deep grave for a cigarette butt or march to and from the ranges with a rock filled knapsack and full battle gear. You won't see that in today's Army. Damn, they miss out of all the fun we were exposed to in the real days. LOL!!!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2022 10:28 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:28:33 -0500

You stop and stare…. Let him talk and you stare. Let EVERYONE ELSE know what’s up for one would assume that everyone knows what type of time you and them are on (especially if you are getting those hands just as dirty). When that “Shipmate” is done, you say: “Apparently you didn’t understand what we will be doing… “ It may be that this new boot doesn’t know the work and effort their leaders are putting in.

Response by PO1 Michael Logan made Mar 12 at 2022 7:14 PM

PO1 Michael Logan — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:14:19 -0500

The only reason a subordinate in today’s military would talk to a superior in that manner is because they realize that today’s military has become completely pansy ass. He knows there’s not much you can do about it. If you reprimand him he’ll pick up his cell phone and call his mommy. I’m sure it’s just in his back pocket. And God forbid the E2 is of color or is multi gendered. Because then you’ll be labeled a racist homophobe. That is after he calls his mother.

Response by SGT John Ball made Mar 14 at 2022 7:29 PM

SGT John Ball — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 19:29:37 -0400

Pvt shitbird would be making the walls sweat after I got done with him for pulling a stunt like that.

Response by CPT William Pearson made Apr 2 at 2022 3:08 PM

CPT William Pearson — Sat, 02 Apr 2022 15:08:50 -0400

I would have Sergeant Major and myself discipline the young soldier, after explaining to him the code of conduct and after training there would be more training with the head NCO observing progress.

Response by SGT Ruben Lozada made Apr 3 at 2022 2:02 PM

SGT Ruben Lozada — Sun, 03 Apr 2022 14:02:18 -0400

This is an excellent question. I've seen this occur a few times during My career in the Military. It mostly occurs with an E-1 fresh out of boot camp or BCT. He or She have a better understanding of the rank structure and have more respect for an NCO, which in many cases it's a title that's earned to achieve. For example, if that E-1 Seaman Recruit does that to a E-5 Petty Officer Second Class, and mostly lively that E-5 is a work center supervisor NCO. He or She has the authority to issue that new person a negative counseling statement to correct His or Her deficiency. Now this would be somewhat similar within the Army or whatever type of unit their assigned too. So when the E-2 PFC Soup Sandwich decides to talk like that to an E-5 SGT NCO, and in many cases He or She already a Team Leader or Squad Leader. That PFC with His mosquito wings is asking for trouble. Because He or She is disobeying a direct order from an NCO, which is His or Hers Supervisor. One or two thing may occur, they will receive a negative counseling statement based upon their behavior or they will do some random exercise task picked by the NCO such Cherry Pickers, Overhead Arm Claps, Mountain Climbers for about an hour, or whatever time the NCO decides it should be. I'm sure that will change their whole outlook after that situation.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 3 at 2022 3:50 PM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Sun, 03 Apr 2022 15:50:07 -0400

If I was an NCO life would become very difficult for that E2. Document and discipline until he or she developed military bearing or was out the door to civilian life. The choice is the soldiers in the end. One thing that helped me adjust in the military was telling myself “the NCO is not the enemy unless you make them the enemy.”

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 3 at 2022 5:45 PM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Sun, 03 Apr 2022 17:45:52 -0400

Lol when I first read this I immediately thought of a famous line in a movie, “I want him spitting blood.” Just recall a version of the same comment made to me in the military, “it ain’t training till your spitting blood.”

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Apr 3 at 2022 6:08 PM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Sun, 03 Apr 2022 18:08:01 -0400

As a respectful E-5, I'd probably think about the E-2 response for a few seconds then I'd dismiss the platoon - except for the E-2 - and then I'd probably "shove it" somewhere the idiot E-2 wasn't expecting it to be shoved.

Response by SFC Jamie Whitaker made Apr 3 at 2022 8:25 PM

SFC Jamie Whitaker — Sun, 03 Apr 2022 20:25:54 -0400

First and foremost. The issues here is obvious. #1, Respect & #2 Discipline.

Any one of my soldiers knew the ramifications of what would happen. And they would never would of acted out like that.

Getting to the issue, Pvt Loudmouth would of paid dearly. The next step would be standing on the carpet in front of the CO and receive punishment under the UCMJ. If it continues, then there are several ways to reach that soldiers attention. Peer pressure is one. Wall to Wall counseling, though illegal, is another way. Ultimately, the discipline issue can lead to dismissal from the Army. I never tolerated that behavior. Because my soldiers knew that I had zero tolerance for BS. And if left up to me, that soldier would regret ever doing it. And it would never happened again.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Apr 4 at 2022 6:51 PM

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA — Mon, 04 Apr 2022 18:51:38 -0400

How would I react?

NOT WELL AT ALL.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2022 1:10 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 13:10:58 -0400

Had an A1C almost throw an instrument at me. We had a slow day as our planes were on weather delay. We had an instrument sitting on our launch and recovery truck waiting to be placed back on a plane. I called job control and asked if there was any reason why we couldn't put it back in the plane to save it from possibly being broken rolling around on the shelf. I was clearly told, in front of the whole crew on the truck at the time, that it could be replaced. I was an E5 and gave the task to this E3. He bitched, moaned and complained the whole time he was getting the tools and took off for the plane. He came back to the truck about 10 minutes later cussing and cursing. He raised the part and aimed it right at my head and screamed, "You stupid bitch, it has open fuel tanks and I can't put it in. You are such a stupid idiot sending me on a job that can't be done." He added a few other choice words before deciding throwing the part at my head probably wasn't a good idea. I told the driver to take us to the shack immediately. I marched the young airman to the NCOIC's office and told him to tell him what just happened. He gave "his" version than I told him the real version. He called in other people from the truck and asked them the story. He also called job control to verify that I did get clearance to work the plane. At the end of the day, the young man was lucky he didn't get an article 15 for several reasons including threatening an NCO with a "weapon". He got an LOR and 3 months of all the nasty chores available around the shack from cleaning both bathrooms to all the mopping, sweeping, FOD walks several times a day in all weather (was in England). He also had to apologize to me in front of everyone for all 3 shifts. Oh, this was in the early 80's and I was one of only 3 or 4 female NCO's in our section working avionics. I did have a private talk with said A1C on my own as well. I think he, and many other's as well, got the message.

Response by Sgt Pete Kondrosky made Apr 7 at 2022 7:25 PM

Sgt Pete Kondrosky — Thu, 07 Apr 2022 19:25:14 -0400

Myself a former USAF sergeant, air/ground crew rigger. 1964-10/1967 stateside...S.E. Asia 10/1967-10/1968, then my DD-214.
How WE did it...
First, the entire training squad is informed of DIPSHITS transgression, and need for an "attituse adjustment".
Then the squad gets "shit duty"...picking up, field stripping (separating the paper, tobacco, and filter if any) from the tossed cigarette butts from a LARGE area, OR...dandelion picking from a likewise large area, you get the idea.

Typically in turn, DIPSHIT gets a "blanket party" in the middle of the night, maybe the same night or relatively soon thereafter, as a "thank you" from the squad members he screwed with.

THIS...always corrected a DIPSHIT'S attitude...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2022 11:37 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Apr 2022 23:37:28 -0400

With today's rules... I'd say mass punishment.. let his friends get pissed and do the dirty work that you can't. Lol ever had soldiers doing push-ups, feet on a lmtv front bumper.. very effective

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2022 11:48 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Apr 2022 23:48:30 -0400

Or write them up for "failure to adapt".. I was a ass my beginning years but I did my job.. but I had reason, I was literally the minority and constantly picked on.. lol I threatened my E-5 to kick his ass.. away from the platoon.. and that was the end of that.. I went on for ten years with no hickups.. just one dick E-5.. so think about your soldier.. try to figure out his problem and if he's just worthless.. article 15 failure to adapt

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2022 12:35 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 00:35:05 -0400

Also, you might let them know that you are not a oc fresh out of college.. I know in the army I had a special forces DS and he told us to basically give no fucks about ocs guys

Response by LCDR Arthur Whittum made Apr 11 at 2022 3:28 PM

LCDR Arthur Whittum — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:28:52 -0400

Time for a positive teaching moment. Nothing personal, Private, but you now enter the realm of enhanced attitude improvement. Assign someone to supervise his attitude adjustment activities. Not UCMJ stuff, just supervised visits to a brig, observation of work details, and other alternative demonstrations of what he could face if he continues his path of self-destruction.

Response by CSM Tony Blair made Apr 24 at 2022 9:25 PM

CSM Tony Blair — Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:25:34 -0400

1st of all, all the NCO’s in my unit would be all over him before I could even react, so when you ask me what I would do, sit back and enjoy the show.

I’ve trained my NCO’s on the proper way they as NCO’s should act, disrespectful actions to officers or NCO’s will be handled quickly and aggressively.
We as leaders set the standards for lower enlisted to follow.

AATW

Response by SFC Wade Adams made May 20 at 2022 12:04 AM

SFC Wade Adams — Fri, 20 May 2022 00:04:42 -0400

PV2 is about to have a long day. Immediately after formation , PV2 and squad leader will stand fast . I will make an example of him and squad leader, the squad leader for allowing and letting this happen and PV2 for the action

Response by SFC Michael W. made May 20 at 2022 11:21 AM

SFC Michael W. — Fri, 20 May 2022 11:21:15 -0400

Is this "REALLY" a question, or has the military gotten that soft?!?!
He'd have two holes to crap out of by the time I'm done with him. I had a duffelbag Private tried that with me as an E-5P...I made him a civilian within a year. I had all his counsel statements from his Team Chief given to me as a Section Sergeant. After having his ass on extra-duty and Art.15 for his insubordination and a few other things, he was sent on his merry way...

Response by SrA Alvin Cook made May 20 at 2022 6:42 PM

SrA Alvin Cook — Fri, 20 May 2022 18:42:11 -0400

Military members failing to obey lawful orders issued by their superiors risk serious consequences. Article 90 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) outlines the crime of willful disobedience by a military member a superior commissioned officer. Article 91 covers willful disobedience of a superior Noncommissioned or Warrant Officer. Article 92 conveys what constitutes the crime of disobedience of any lawful order (the disobedience does not have to be "willful" under this article). I would first give them an opportunity to explain why they think they could disobey my command. If there was a valid reason I might reconsider the order then explain the punishment they were going to receive for the blatant disrespect for the chain of command.

Response by Sgt Bob Corridan made May 20 at 2022 8:21 PM

Sgt Bob Corridan — Fri, 20 May 2022 20:21:31 -0400

Dismiss everyone else...invite the young lad to step inside the barracks...thump the living shit out of young blood thus realigning his military compass...make sure the lad gets in one punch such that you can claim 1) self defense 2) charge him with conduct unbecoming 3) insubordination to a Staff NCO 4) call his parents letting them know junior will be home this weekend 5) call the MPs and 6) notify the platoon commander or appropriate CO so the facts of the case do not become cloudy over time.

Response by MSgt Michael Roberts made May 21 at 2022 6:33 PM

MSgt Michael Roberts — Sat, 21 May 2022 18:33:36 -0400

The monster emerges and life as he knew it is about to change. Everyday he is there

Response by CPT Jose A “Tony” Fernandez made May 22 at 2022 8:26 PM

CPT Jose A “Tony” Fernandez — Sun, 22 May 2022 20:26:17 -0400

I’m amazed the cuestión is even asked! Who’s in charge!? I like to believe someone handled it.

Response by SPC Robert Hendrickson made May 23 at 2022 2:31 PM

SPC Robert Hendrickson — Mon, 23 May 2022 14:31:26 -0400

first of all, i was in leadership positions in most of my E-4 career, .. i had young soldiers like that and i pulled them aside .. do not address matters of such in front of other soldiers .. next of all, if that did not work ,, i involved my immed leader he/she was E-5P &/or E6 (i had both genders for leaders), .. next of all most of times that worked w/ me nearby .. because some Pvts/Pv2s/PFCs/young E-4s had tried to distort the regs, etc. .. one time had to involve the Bn SgtMjr and in days that issue caused a soldier's chapter discharge .. that ruined the ex-soldier's career from better advancements/etc.
a. keep a constant check to make sure younger soldiers are not violated via drugs, or other illicit activities
b. pull soldier aside for to clear issue(s) DO NOT ADDRESS SOLDIER in front of squad, platoon, etc. unless issue(s) involves the whole team, etc.
c. treat soldier(s) with respect, tact, etc. even if they try craziness, etc. occasionally let them vent but make sure they are not endangering their self or others in that respect.

Response by SSgt Ronald Krogel made May 23 at 2022 7:08 PM

SSgt Ronald Krogel — Mon, 23 May 2022 19:08:36 -0400

A lawful order needs to be followed. Start the process immediately to either get that rolling or get them rolling out, often with some extra "fun time" like corrective custody. I had a "request" to run corrective custody to which I said no thanks. Since a request and not an order felt I was within my rights (as limited as they are in the military). To which it was mentioned how would you like to be in corrective custody? So you want to put me in jail for not wanting to run your jail? And why I am a civilian where that logic I can move on from if an employer tries it. You do not have that option in the military. At least not if you do not want a big negative mark on your discharge.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall ) Foster made May 24 at 2022 1:14 AM

PFC Pamala (Hall ) Foster — Tue, 24 May 2022 01:14:03 -0400

What to hear the 'Mom' or "DS Mode' response first?
Mom: Everyone, you know what I want-get it done. As for you, follow me and then he gets yelled at in private.

DS Mode. You have your orders of the day, PVT Shitbag and Squad leader, stand fast. All others, Dismissed. Then if you have seen Angry Cop/Angry Drill Sgt on YouTube, then you know he is going to get such a 'smoke session' and verbal lashing that even his great-grandchildren are going to feel it before they are born. But, seriously, I would be writing some serious paper on him, with the squad leader's help. Talking with his command chain and with them create some serious corrective training-the type of training that will not be humiliation, but teach respect.

Response by SPC Douglas Hearron made May 24 at 2022 8:29 AM

SPC Douglas Hearron — Tue, 24 May 2022 08:29:12 -0400

Smoke him

Response by SSgt Hal Kiah made May 24 at 2022 10:13 PM

SSgt Hal Kiah — Tue, 24 May 2022 22:13:00 -0400

Discipline, but Quickly, even If it's in front of the rest of my troops. Basically bring him Right back to their basic training days. Then, after the Alpha Charlie, a Huge write-up to go into his file, the reminder of his oath when he Volunteered for service to his country, and the orders he would obey from those of higher rank. If the situation further requires, send that E2 straight to the main office. This pretty much sidesteps my 3 strike rule, but I'd rather make it known to that individual, along with the rest of the formation that Any lack of respect, discipline, and responsibility for one's actions can, and Will result in consequences. No games, no backing off, period.

Response by CSM Walter Miller made May 25 at 2022 8:53 AM

CSM Walter Miller — Wed, 25 May 2022 08:53:40 -0400

This is the correct response. Needs to be swift and straight to the point and what you expect of him now and in the future.

Response by SMSgt Dan Panza made May 25 at 2022 5:24 PM

SMSgt Dan Panza — Wed, 25 May 2022 17:24:45 -0400

I don’t know how to answer this I grew up in the Vietnam era. Am NCO have me a order I said yes sir. I did my gripping while doing the detail, quietly of course. Or the NCO took you out back and retrained you the hard way. You can’t do that today.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made May 25 at 2022 11:19 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 25 May 2022 23:19:24 -0400

I'd Make An E-1 Out Of An E-2.
And Try Keeping Him There For a Couple Of Years Or So.
You Give Orders, They Take Orders.
Keep It That Way !!

Response by LtCol Larry O'Connor made May 29 at 2022 8:20 PM

LtCol Larry O'Connor — Sun, 29 May 2022 20:20:49 -0400

Some excellent answers. I’m still trying to figure v out what a senior E5 is.

Response by SP5 William OMalley made Jun 21 at 2022 2:36 PM

SP5 William OMalley — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:36:51 -0400

Never had that happen to me!

Response by PO1 Mike Pulju made Jun 22 at 2022 9:15 AM

PO1 Mike Pulju — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 09:15:36 -0400

E2 would have spent the rest of the day on the flight line cleaning out padeyes with a plastic spoon and a styrofoam coffee cup. Afterwards they would be scrubbing bird shit off the hangar floor by hand

Response by SGT Tony Johnson Sr made Jun 23 at 2022 7:35 AM

SGT Tony Johnson Sr — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 07:35:22 -0400

I would ask my assistant to take over, take the E2 somewhere private and handle the situation.

Response by PO1 Romualdo Ramirez made Jun 23 at 2022 2:58 PM

PO1 Romualdo Ramirez — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 14:58:16 -0400

E.M.I. to infinity and beyond

Response by LCpl Michael Downing made Jun 23 at 2022 3:31 PM

LCpl Michael Downing — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:31:43 -0400

Public thrashing is the best way to handle this right then and there. Then you give him shi& house detail for a week.

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Jun 24 at 2022 8:08 PM

CW5 Mark Smith — Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:08:28 -0400

I think the shock would leave me completely speechless!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2022 12:45 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Jun 2022 12:45:08 -0400

Depends on what's going on....a parade formation or public forum (such as COC, or Ceremony) may not be the best place for a show of force.....however eventually there will be a detail requiring the unique skills I'm sure the E2 possesses...and one thing most SNCOs have is a good memory of the skillsets of their "special" troops...

Response by SGT John Overby made Jun 25 at 2022 9:23 PM

SGT John Overby — Sat, 25 Jun 2022 21:23:24 -0400

The E-2 and I would have a "come to Jesus meeting" with the platoon leader PDQ!

Response by CPL Dan Hadam made Jun 26 at 2022 10:49 AM

CPL Dan Hadam — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 10:49:29 -0400

I just came back from southeast Asia In 1969. I was wearing what we wore in the field . In a mess hall at edgewood arsenal my sleeves were cut short just like in the field where I crewed choppers. This corporal with a couple of privates by his side tried to pull rank and bark about my short sleeve shirt ( he didn't notice that I was e-5 ) , I turned around and faced him and said ( don't go there sternly ) . He didn't say another word and walked away to get his food with his 2 pvts. Was I wrong for facing him like I did

Response by MSG Harvey Kane made Jun 26 at 2022 2:41 PM

MSG Harvey Kane — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 14:41:09 -0400

I would inform them that I am in command. That if they think the task is below them I would start with having them do pushups, then a nice 3 mile run, then have them clean the latrines in the company area. Of course that would be followed with a demonstration of their progress on the PT test. Lastly, I would go to command and have them charged with an AR15 for disobeying a lawful order. Which would be followed by a suggestion they be discharged from the service! The Army is not a democracy!

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Jun 26 at 2022 6:40 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 18:40:24 -0400

Extra detail duty after duty hours for several weeks, possibly KP duty as well, lawn maintenance, trash detail for several weeks and that doesn't square away his attitude then spending several weeks in confinement with the Commands Blessing

Response by PO3 Joe McGee made Jun 26 at 2022 7:24 PM

PO3 Joe McGee — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 19:24:39 -0400

I have been away from the military for quite a few years now (both as active and civilian), so I am not sure that my answer would meet today's woke standards.
The first thing I would do is ask him (or her) to repeat what they had said in front of everyone in formation. This leaves no doubt about a he said/I said situation.
Then as calmly as humanly possible I would explain that he is in violation of Article 92 of the UCMJ (Failure to obey a direct order) and that I think he (or she) should rethink their position. If they refuse then I would call the Master-At-Arms and have them sent to the brig to await further action via the XO or Captain's mast.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Jun 26 at 2022 8:19 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 20:19:22 -0400

Since he did not like the original assignment I would provide him with a specific task that would last a few days and ensure I assigned an NCO to babysit him during this endeavor.

Response by SSgt David M. made Jun 26 at 2022 11:38 PM

SSgt David M. — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:38:44 -0400

I would continue assigning all details to the other Soldiers. I then release all except E-2 Smart Mouth. I also would hold back his detail person in charge of E-2 Smart Mouth. I then would either 1. Bring both of them to Attention and explain in detail what is expected when a detail is assigned. I would then explain what the alternatives are for E-2 Smart Mouth.
Or if that fails to correct E-@ Smart Mouth's attitude;
2.March both E-2 Smart Mouth and his Detail IC Soldier to the First Sargent's office for additional support and direction. This might include an Article 15 action for Failure to follow a Lawful Order, Disrespect for Authority, Conduct unbecoming.
In no instant can E-2 Smart Mouth shun his duties in front of the other Soldiers. It would not be good for morale!
3. A short time visit to the Base Stockade (30 Days) might correct E-2 Smart Mouth's outlook on life! ;-) I SALUTE All My Fellow Veterans!!! GOD Bless America!!!

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Jun 27 at 2022 10:20 AM

SFC Clark Adams — Mon, 27 Jun 2022 10:20:32 -0400

Not an issue, the subject and his immediate supervisor and I will have a quick discussion about the UCMJ and how to proceed.

Response by SSgt W. Aaron Gregory made Jun 28 at 2022 9:02 PM

SSgt W. Aaron Gregory — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:02:29 -0400

Have the armed forces degraded so much in efficacy that we have to ask this question? If I was confused in this situation, I would pull off my rank insignia, give it to the sergeant major, and then ask to be discharged.

Fix it, and fix it quick. And based on this scenario, go from 0 to 60. You let this become an epidemic, you're hurting a nation. First of all, thrash the Sierra Hotel India Tango out of his or her squad leader.

Probably not the most politically correct way, but effective - we took turns in schools battalion being the OOD, and the OOD supervised field day on Thursday nights. Troops were getting a little whiny. For field day, everything that could be removed, comes out of the rooms. There were some troops standing in doorways, seemingly waiting it out. Even corporals and sergeants were shy about enforcing what's going on. I'm not going to write what I screamed, because it would be moderated... but every Marine and sailor in that building stood outside their door, so that they could hear me address them from the parking lot. I explained loudly that if I see one more Mike Foxtroter standing around not doing a Golf Delta thing or hear one more Mike Foxtroting complaint, not only is your Sierra Hotel India Tango coming out of your room, but you Sierra Oscar Bravos will CHANGE FLOORS and take your Sierra Hotel India Tango with you. I have all night... OOD is a 24-hour shift, MOVE, ladies, MOVE MOVE MOVE.

Response by SSG Samuel Coy made Jul 7 at 2022 8:48 PM

SSG Samuel Coy — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 20:48:57 -0400

While I believe there is merit to the phrase "praise in public, punish in private", sometimes private dirt bag needs to get smoked - in public.

Response by SP5 Charles Gould made Jul 7 at 2022 10:30 PM

SP5 Charles Gould — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 22:30:06 -0400

I’m an old Vietnam Combat Infantry Recon Rat. Got my training and experience before the Army became “Pussified”. Everyone looking to “correct” someone else for stupid shit. A little “behind the barracks” education worked every time stateside. In Nam, you could experience very severe consequences for that kind of response. In general, yakking back at an NCO was a VERY bad idea. If the NCO was the recognized asshole, he could be scheduling himself a blanket party. Things were taken care of in-unit, stateside or in theater. But this was a tip-of-the-spear combat unit. Don’t comply, you (or we) could die. If you were told to burn the shit pits, or crawl into a suspected VC village, both commands held equal weight. It wasn’t a “Job”, we were all part of a well-trained, well-oiled military machine. Sent to recon, observe and report, kill only when necessary. Captured VC, or even village chiefs, were intelligence troves. it was done quietly and efficiently. Sent to contact and neutralize, it was done with the same efficiency. THAT was the job. And we were excellent at it. The military is designed to kill people and blow shit up, better than the other guy.
Disobeying a direct order to, for example, adjust or use a drone attack in today’s Army could be just as fatal to a team like mine (or worse) as hesitating to take out an enemy up close and personal.

Rank needs respect; obedience needs priority in today’s Army. It’s a JOB okay, but with extraordinary requirements and commitment!

Response by SPC John Tacetta made Jul 8 at 2022 11:28 AM

SPC John Tacetta — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 11:28:21 -0400

Yikes! Disobey a lawful order, malingering and insubordination! Pretty serious stuff. Article 15.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jul 8 at 2022 1:58 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:58:25 -0400

PVT A$$hole has just stood up to an E5. That takes a certain amount of courage (or insanity...but let's be generous here). Something like that might have value if it is correctly managed and aimed. Clearly, aiming it at the E5 in the chain is not good.

So, let's see about managing it and getting it vectored into something the Service can use.
Step One: Completely agree with dismissing all except PVT A$$hole and Squad Leader, thereof.
Step Two: Completely agree with conversation as mentioned (see discussion above, thanks to GySgt Kenneth Pepper).
Step Three: Remind PVT A$$hole that his Unit, and Leadership, thereof, are NOT his enemy. We all want PVT A$$hole to succeed. PVT A$$hole does seem to have some balls, and we would like to see them used against the ENEMY, not his own unit.
Step Four: PVT A$$hole gets to chose. Get his rear en moving, as directed, or see thedoor.

Response by MSgt Earl King made Jul 8 at 2022 9:31 PM

MSgt Earl King — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 21:31:11 -0400

Busted in rank, brig time, one way ticket home, and a record that will follow him even after he dies!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2022 5:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 17:15:22 -0400

The "School of The Soldier" was normally effective especially while everyone else was on pass. The 1SG and the CSM could also be quite inventive where the objective was to get an errant soldier's attention, versus formal charges.

Response by PVT Keith Gentry made Jul 9 at 2022 8:50 PM

PVT Keith Gentry — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 20:50:22 -0400

pushups a lot

Response by Sgt David Scott made Jul 13 at 2022 1:36 PM

Sgt David Scott — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 13:36:11 -0400

Remove him from the formation to an office scenario setting and let him know hos the "Bear reacts in the woods". Once then he is headed for "Office Hours" for insubordination. Give me a break, the tail wagging the dog will not make a winning team.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 15 at 2022 3:21 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Fri, 15 Jul 2022 15:21:13 -0400

Sand pile at location A, one bucket in hand 1 and one bucket in hand 2, relocate sand pile from location A to location B, using only the two buckets, an E Tool and your own strength....THEN, after the sand pile is moved, the Commander realizes that it is in the wrong place and needs to be relocated again. after moving 2 tons of sand two buckets at a time 4 or 5 times, you could order him to go find a left handed Torque Wrench with a camo handle and he will sound off with Yes, Sergeant

Response by Cpl Andy Krueger made Aug 7 at 2022 2:33 PM

Cpl Andy Krueger — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:33:36 -0400

These comments are funny
The only thing that needs to happen is a swift knife hand spittle in the face and instant physical destruction

Response by TSgt Douglas Greenwood made Aug 7 at 2022 3:49 PM

TSgt Douglas Greenwood — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:49:11 -0400

Where has our military gone for some young shit bird to even think he can say such things and it’s okay? Next stop would be, Section Commander, with shit bird, his supervisor and me. Shit bird would receive a position on the “goon squad” until his discharge was official. No excuse for this type of disrespect. If shit bird can’t follow orders, then he is a detriment to his uniform, especially during a war time. Time to thin the herd before the shit hits the fan in real life.

Response by 1SG Carl Trett made Aug 8 at 2022 5:04 PM

1SG Carl Trett — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 17:04:53 -0400

As a 1SGT I would have the leadership team stand fast a d follow me to the office. I would invite the Plt Leader to attend. I would ask if this is an ongoing problem or does this soldier need special attention. Insist on a written plan for the Pvt. then I would have a little talk to the NCO,s about my expectation on there leadership style.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2022 6:32 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 06:32:13 -0400

This is easy. Tell him or her. They just earned an Article-15. And they are to report to thier duty station I just assigned to them. And will be getting informed of when and where to report for the reading of such action. Disrespect to an NCO. Will not be tolerated. And go on with it.

Response by PO2 Edwina Cain made Aug 9 at 2022 12:34 PM

PO2 Edwina Cain — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 12:34:16 -0400

I was conducting a test and walked into the darkroom just to check on my class. A young sailor decided to tell me to get the f___ out of his darkroom! Well, needless to say, everyone in that darkroom had to redo their entire test because I kicked the turnaround door right out and light shone on everyone’s testing material! I had that young sailor go to my office and stand at attention until I explained to my supervisor why he was there.
I was not given the privilege of kicking him out of the Navy, but wish I had been!
A similar incident involving a young girl caught huffing in her barracks room was downplayed and I took the blame for that one and the one who should have taken the fall and thanked me for not telling on him later became the Detailer…you’re welcome Tom!
Brave command that I served and you ALL KNEW!!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2022 12:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 12:51:54 -0400

I had this occur a few times in my career, one of first thoughts when I hear things like this going on is that it needs to be nipped in the bud. There is a saying that you praise in public and chew them out when possible in private. This applies to not only the service but any job. The few times this occured to me, which it has happened to probably every leader.

I treated each situation based on the person and the issue at hand. Sometimes there may be things going on at home that is causing the SM to act out of the norm. Just remember that we all are human, sometimes when the stress gets tough and you do not have not lived through all the life curve balls it can be tough.

For example I had one SM that smarted off to his Section Chief as we were in the field training when I was the PLT SGT. I overheard this comment, at first the Section Chief handled it what appeared to be fine. But later that day, I made it a point to take time to have a heart to heart chat with this SM.

I made it clear when I spoke with this SM that I was only chatting as a man to man and not in regards to the comments that I witnessed earliered that day. I just wanted to find out if everything was going on fine with them.

I learned by having this man to man chat that his mother had terminal illiness that he just learned about and he was not sure how to cope with everything. It is in these moments that you need to use your resources as a leader to help them cope. Not just to be their to chew them out and reinforce the standards. Granted as a NCO we are expected to uphold the standards and be the backbone.

But there are times that you will need to step out of the hardass mode , and be that big brother/sister or even father/mother role model for your people.

Sometimes as leaders you have to wear many hats and it some times, it may even mean that you have to offer a shoulder to lean on. Share a story with each other about life or just talk about some hobby or favorite thing that you like.

Just remember that young PVT if you take that time learn about them may someday be a CSM or even a Unit Commander. Mentor them, don't coddle them, train them to the standards and remind them of the rules and regs.

If you can do all this with all your SM's you will leave your mark on the next generation of leaders.

Hope that this helps

Response by SFC David S made Aug 9 at 2022 7:42 PM

SFC David S — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:42:03 -0400

PV2 Dumbass would;
1. Push until you get tired
2. Dig a hole
3. Fill sandbags
4. Volunteer to sweep the entire motor pool
5. DA form 4856 (for disrespect and disobedience)
I almost forgot my favorite: front-back-go...

Response by SSG Robert Velasco made Aug 9 at 2022 8:41 PM

SSG Robert Velasco — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:41:21 -0400

Yes,you must show leadership by dismissing the remaining troops and keeping private dipshit for a private reaming followed by a counseling session that could lead to an article 15 for disobeying orders and insubordination! This isn't the army that cares if you have a date tonight! Uphold the standard!

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Aug 9 at 2022 10:42 PM

PO1 David M Burns — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 22:42:31 -0400

any answer that I give would be based on my "generation" of NCO's and would not be allowed today with these cupcakes! so i'll pass on this question.

Response by SA Michael Moore made Aug 10 at 2022 5:58 PM

SA Michael Moore — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:58:03 -0400

I heard my Dad, a mustang Navy Commander and former enlisted pilot mention this incident. He was the XO of a Squadron based on a Naval Air Station. He had a very junior enlisted man tell him he wasn't going to do something he was assigned to do and Dad asked him what he wanted to do for the day. The man replied "Nuthin!". It. was a sunny summer California day.Now, my Dad had enlisted in the 30's and I know he had held the rank of CPO although he never lost his wartime commission. Dad told him to report back wearing his dress blue uniform (this would have been the late 40's). Dad took the man down to the hangar deck and had him stand midway between the two side f the open end of the hangar, Dad told him he was rot stand at attention (this was in the sun) and salute anyone he needed to salute, but otherwise too do norhing. I head in that same discussion that Dad could see him from his office and did go down below to check on hims and govbe him a head and water break . He said he had no more trouble from him.

Response by PO2 S.J. Carroll made Aug 10 at 2022 9:26 PM

PO2 S.J. Carroll — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:26:04 -0400

While I would not physically respond, I would send them to Mast.

Response by SGT Donald R. Shipman made Aug 11 at 2022 9:13 AM

SGT Donald R. Shipman — Thu, 11 Aug 2022 09:13:06 -0400

In my day as a DI Field First Sgt. He would have gotten a good tongue lashing and required to give me a minimum of 25 to 50 pushups. On bivouac he would have been required to dig a 6' cube trash pit. My day as a DI was in 1952-53 dealing with 250 draftees per 8 week cycle and I was only an acting Corporal. I got high marks for the company, best on Post two times in 14 months.

Response by PFC Tim Arnett made Aug 11 at 2022 6:47 PM

PFC Tim Arnett — Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:47:33 -0400

PIVIT NEEDS TO RESPECT THE RANK RIGHT? NOW I WAS NOT PERFECT IN THIS REGARD, AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY PLATOON LEADER ESSENTIALLY WALKED UP TO ME WHILST WE WERE POLICING THE PARADE GROUND, AND HE STOPPED APPROXIMATELY A METER AWAY TO SHOW ME A CIG-BUTT. HE SAID PICK THIS UP. I DID A QUARTER LEFT FACE AND CONTINUED AROUND HIM.
I WASN'T NEW IN THIS MAN'S ARMY, AND I ALSO KNEW HE DIDN'T LIKE THIS PFC ALL THAT MUCH. I TOLD HIM TO PICK IT UP, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR PARADE GROUND, NOT JUST MINE. LOL~!
YEAH HE DIDN'T LIKE ME ALL THE MORE GUYS, BUT WHEN IT CAME TO ORDERS FOR THE DAY, I RECEIVED THEM, AND WALKED MY BUTT TO THE MOTOR POOL, LOOKING FORWARD TO FEILD MANEUVERS BACK IN GRAFENWOHR GERMANY.
RANK IS ALWAYS TO BE RESPECTED THOUGH, NOT ONLY FOR THE RECOGNITION, BUT ALSO FOR THE UNIT COHESION. A NEWBIE, OR CRUIT AS WE CALLED THEM SHOULD JUST STFU AND LISTEN, LEARN, AND PERFORM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PART OF A COMBAT M.O.S INFANTRY, ARMOR, OR WHATEVER. ME AND MY FELLOW GUN BUNNY'S WOULD HAVE STRAIGHTENED HIM OUT, FERSURE AND FERGOOD.

Response by CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin made Aug 12 at 2022 8:36 PM

CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:36:49 -0400

Send him to a Chaplain who was prior service, preferably a prior service enlisted man. Obviously, this soldier has some personal or mental issues.

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Aug 12 at 2022 8:51 PM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:51:25 -0400

Gunny, for the most part, I am with you on this. But I would like to add that this is direct insubordination and requires just action as well as being made an example of to the rest which I say because making it a point to others that you are not going to put up with that BS only strngthens your stance and authority. The E2 certainly need the ding on their performance report and a trip to the First Shirt. The E2s behaviour is unacceptable and could even constitute UCMJ action, certainly dependent on the lawful order. As for the team leader, if this is a trend, then action there would be needed as well.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2022 8:33 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Aug 2022 20:33:04 -0400

I spent my first 5 years in the 82nd in the Infantry, then went to SFAS, Qcourse, and the remaining 15 years at Group, and as an Instructor at SWC.
In my career, I've seen everything from toxic leadership and hazing, to piss poor leadership, and everything in between.
One thing for certain is that the overall quality of soldiers has diminished, soldiers think the Army is a democracy, and that orders, duties, and responsibilities are suggestions and up for debate.
The above question just didn't happen, or was an absolute rarity when i joined. When it did happen, it was dealt with harshly and without hesitation. Soldiers new thier place in the pecking order, and for the most part everyone kept each other in line. I've seen my fair share of "wall to wall counselings", and tops being removed by leadership with a subsequent trip to the woodbine, if the subordinate soldier wanted to take it there. That's the way it was in the Infantry.
In SF, the majority of the team are E-6 and above, more mature, and the roles we play are completely different on the ODA. With a group of type A personalities, there is plenty of banter, but rank is respected. Cross the line, and it's big boy rules. Big boy rules are great until you realize big boy repercussions come with that.
It seems in the last few years military bearing does not exist, and the kinder more gentile Army has been taken to far.The Army is a war fighting unit, just off a 20 year 2 front war. The lessons learned from this should show that quality leadership leads the way, but the right soldiers that understand thier role in the mix is equally important.
A soldier that behaves in this manner is a problem. The question becomes is the behavior stemming from piss poor leadership, who has created an environment where the soldier feels like they are nothing, and are now lashing out, or is this just a bad apple that needs to be plucked from the tree before thier cancerous behavior spreads throughout the formation.
Ultimately the soldier needs to be pulled out of formation, and the core of the issue needs to be brought to light. If it's a product of leadership failures, Command needs to immediately correct the issue. If this is just a bad apple, a paper trail needs to be created so they can be removed from the force.
DOL
Chris sends.

Response by LTC Drew Shepard made Aug 14 at 2022 7:35 AM

LTC Drew Shepard — Sun, 14 Aug 2022 07:35:03 -0400

Simple...Article 15

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Aug 14 at 2022 8:29 PM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Sun, 14 Aug 2022 20:29:02 -0400

Are they still in formation until subject in question has complied?

Response by PO2 Lawrence Moody made Aug 14 at 2022 10:47 PM

PO2 Lawrence Moody — Sun, 14 Aug 2022 22:47:54 -0400

Reply. It is your assignment. No argument.

Response by SGT M C made Aug 15 at 2022 8:02 AM

SGT M C — Mon, 15 Aug 2022 08:02:43 -0400

Seems to me and I remember it well you dish out an article 15! If it escalates it continues on up the JAG process untill eventually Levenworth or discharge which ever comes first. Oh wait I forgot we're now dealing with snowflakes oh yeah a whole nother mindset!

Response by SSG Raul Alaniz made Aug 15 at 2022 10:36 AM

SSG Raul Alaniz — Mon, 15 Aug 2022 10:36:58 -0400

The Proper Motivation. First I dismiss everyone for the day, except Pv2 Dipweed, while At Attention, he waits for me to speak to him, I go to my office, grab a cup of coffee for a bit, go back to PV2 Dipweed and breathe all in his face the human smell of coffee and invite him to my office, I casually tell my clerk that I "Don't' want to be disturb for 10 minutes and ignore anything he/she hears. After 5 minutes, holy crap, a brand new PV2 is re-born. Don't need boxing gloves just "The Proper Movtivation". (Black Belt in Tae-Kwon-Do Helps me). No Reply's needed.

Response by SPC Randy Holloway made Aug 16 at 2022 12:04 AM

SPC Randy Holloway — Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:04:05 -0400

You smoke their ass until they puke. As soon as their done puking, you do it again until they puke

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2022 12:32 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 00:32:24 -0400

Start a counseling statement right away! they are very informational and it reminds them of the penalties and harsh consequences they can face for insubordination, they can face demotion, pay without pay, and out processing under dishonorable. DO NOT LET IT SLIDE! it will get rid of the bad apples before they spoil the rest.
Retired Army SFC :-)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2022 12:32 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 00:32:44 -0400

Response by CW3 Robert Jobe made Aug 18 at 2022 10:50 AM

CW3 Robert Jobe — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:50:01 -0400

Smoke them like a cheap pack of smokes

Response by COL Ralph Bryan Hanes made Aug 18 at 2022 11:22 PM

COL Ralph Bryan Hanes — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:22:01 -0400

Since you are directly assigning work, I assume that you are the first line leader of the recalcitrant PFC. You must take immediate action, so the elsewhere recommended PFC X stand fast while all others fall out is correct. The questions about bad news or other morale body blows are briefly appropriate to allow you to determine if there is a serious problem that it is both possible and appropriate for you to assist in resolving. Then you must determine consequences and corrective action. Public insubordination cannot go without penalty. However, the penalty should take into consideration any legitimate extenuating circumstances that you discovered during your “heart to heart” talk with the PFC. Hopefully, s/he removes his/her head from its obvious location and asks permission to carry out your orders… A counseling statement is a good start, but public insubordination is warned against and potential dire consequences explained multiple times from the time a recruit exits the bus at the basic training station. A trip to the PSG ad the !SG are required. A repentant PFC might merit a summary form article 15 that remains in the unit when he leaves. A hard head that refuses to acknowledge reality and attempt to minimize his penance in most cases should be be recommended for a formal article 15 and in extreme cases separation. This whole situation is tragic. For the sake of good order and discipline of all the soldiers involved or who learn of the incident blatant public insubordination cannot be tolerated… everyone loses. Are these recommendations a panacea for all such incidents? No, however, exceptions should be few. Having the good judgement to analyze cause and effects and with the counsel of the PSG and 1SG other more creative and hopefully more constructive actions may be appropriate. “Wall to wall counseling” by NCOs solved many low level problems in the fairly distant past but are no longer tenable. Whenever we find a publicly insubordinate soldier, there is a trail of leadership failures that allowed him/her to arrive in your formation. The problem should stop with your unit.

Response by PO1 Matt Maness made Sep 22 at 2022 5:33 AM

PO1 Matt Maness — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 05:33:01 -0400

Do a counseling chit first. Then make sure his or her evals reflect their attitude and note of the counseling.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2022 12:07 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 12:07:46 -0400

Put he/she in a front leaning rest position and have he/she knock ‘‘em out til YOU get tired! What’s with this crybaby military? I retired in 2015 after 39 years total between Active and Reserves. Nip it in the bud in front of everybody, and since we are in the ‘video age’, record it so that he can put it on Twitter.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Sep 24 at 2022 8:38 PM

SFC Larry Jones — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 20:38:48 -0400

You must be in a different military from the one I served in (1975-1995). In my day, that didn't happen or NJP, here we come. My troops knew I would not ask them to do anything I hadn't done. As unpleasant or distasteful as it might have been, I had already been there. Insubordination can absolutely not be tolerated.

Response by SPC Charles McFate made Sep 27 at 2022 7:59 PM

SPC Charles McFate — Tue, 27 Sep 2022 19:59:54 -0400

Push-ups forever... BEGIN!!!!!!

Response by SSG Michael Davis made Oct 23 at 2022 12:17 PM

SSG Michael Davis — Sun, 23 Oct 2022 12:17:15 -0400

Embarrassment in front of peers can be powerful for some dipsticks. Have everyone fall out except for PV0 Dipstick and embarrass him/her/they. You don't even have to yell as long as everyone can hear you.

Talking in formation is BS anyway unless you are called upon by the leader of the formation.

Response by SP5 William Barnshaw made Oct 23 at 2022 2:45 PM

SP5 William Barnshaw — Sun, 23 Oct 2022 14:45:11 -0400

I was a Spec4 platoon sergeant (yeah, I know. But that’s what they did) at Ft. Monmouth in ‘69. Had over 100 guys under me. I was fair and rather laidback. I fought for them in the orderly room and was stern when necessary. A few PFCs though they could fuck with me because of my demeanor. Mistake! KP on Thanksgiving was their reward. I wouldn’t put up with anyone’s shit. No one dared mess with me after that. Suggest that the bigmouth be made an example of. Nip it in the bud…

Response by 1SG Victor Sotil made Oct 24 at 2022 7:01 PM

1SG Victor Sotil — Mon, 24 Oct 2022 19:01:29 -0400

Young “Senior E5” are you a Noncommissioned Officer or an E5? I don’t have much to make an opinion, but seems to me that you should look at yourself rather than look for support. In today’s Army we have new generation Soldiers that are having a hard time separating work from personal. If you hang out with your Soldiers they will have no respect for you, they will look at you like their “buddy”.
I have a dear friend that we both came in the Army at the same time, our first duty station was the same, but after while we lost contact. Years later I seen him again. I was still Vic when we seen each other after over 10 years, but at work I was 1SG and he was one of the SSG. That was a true friend that knew the difference without being told. Not once has to tell him “please at work call me 1SG” learn to separate both if you have to remain them, then look for another friends.

Response by CMDCM Bev Brennan made Oct 31 at 2022 7:53 PM

CMDCM Bev Brennan — Mon, 31 Oct 2022 19:53:26 -0400

Spot on Gunny. In my job as a Navy CMC, I would conduct DRBs - Disciplinary Review Boards. The purpose was to determine whether or not to place the member on report for their transgression and forwarding them up the chain to CO's Mast. My intent was that it not go that far, especially for a first offense. It was all up the them.
Said E2 would have been escorted by the squadron CMAA to his/her quarters to get into their Whites and appear at the end of my very long table. I would conduct a Personnel Inspection and dare them to have one thing out of place. Members in the room included the Department MCPO, Division LCPO and workcenter LPO. No officers allowed.
What followed is best described as "Old Fashioned Chief's Leadership". We weren't politically correct, we weren't kinder or gentler, we didn't care about their personal feelings towards their LPO. We cared about good order and discipline. Period. 98% figured it out and went on to become productive members of the squadron. I didn't lose sleep referring the other 2% - they earned the trip to see the boss. BTW, all deliberations were considered sensitive and the results were never disseminated. But they knew I knew.
All branches have different ways of dealing with these people. But you nailed it Gunny - deal with it immediately.
Thanks for your service!

Response by PO2 Ronnie Chandler made Nov 17 at 2022 9:36 PM

PO2 Ronnie Chandler — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 21:36:44 -0500

Take them aside ask what's going on ? If same attitude nail them and don't back down or you'll play keeping control ask me how I know. I was a Newby PO3 and was miserable for 6 months

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Dec 4 at 2022 10:11 PM

1SG Rick Seekman — Sun, 04 Dec 2022 22:11:26 -0500

That sum bitch would still be doing push ups today!
Oh wait, today's gentle and kind army would have apologized, gave him the day off and brought him cookies and milk before night night time..

Response by SP5 Carl Hollander made Dec 10 at 2022 11:33 AM

SP5 Carl Hollander — Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:33:50 -0500

Ask him if he wants to go back to Basic Training and stay there till his enlistment terminates

Response by SP5 Carl Hollander made Dec 10 at 2022 11:42 AM

SP5 Carl Hollander — Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:42:48 -0500

Give some extra P T to occupy his time so he can think

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Dec 12 at 2022 2:14 AM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:14:16 -0500

I would explain that he will follow any orders hes given then keep an eye on him.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Dec 12 at 2022 2:18 AM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 02:18:39 -0500

Losing some of his pay would also make his think twice about mouthing off to his superior

Response by MSgt James Parker made Dec 12 at 2022 8:26 AM

MSgt James Parker — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:26:04 -0500

There are a few things I would know, if I were in this situation. First from the initial or previous counseling either I or my peers completed for this young military member there may be a situation causing this behavior. Second as stated from all leaders above the individual must be addressed immediately or as stated for this individual to remain behind with their direct line supervision so we can discuss in a smaller detail. Third as we progressed up in responsibility as directed line supervisors we were asked to provide personnel for specific duties as we knew our sections daily activities better than our leadership, as it should be. Finally if this individual subordinate would have never had any issue if his/her leadership were complete and consistent in their mission. No situation is ever exactly the same however if R-E-S-P-E-C-T is given then it is also earned. More than not if there is a breakdown in a unit’s discipline then there is an issue with respect. In the end Leaders never quit and Quitters never lead.

Response by SGT Brian Jarvi made Dec 12 at 2022 11:47 AM

SGT Brian Jarvi — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:47:24 -0500

I would show junior the error of his ways by showing him a job that sucks way worse than the one he was assigned, then top it off with a corrective counseling session. I also might tell them about old school when you could catch an ass kicking for that.

Response by 1LT Vance Titus made Dec 12 at 2022 5:10 PM

1LT Vance Titus — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:10:39 -0500

You calmly tell him that he will do as "requested" (ordered) or find himself doing something a lot more difficult for a lot longer time. Discipline and clear lines of authority are essential. [This reads, "a fresh E2" and then "They blatantly complain...], is this woke BS?]

Response by SSG James Knopp made Dec 13 at 2022 12:53 AM

SSG James Knopp — Tue, 13 Dec 2022 00:53:56 -0500

First a good NCO doesn’t berate a soldier in front of his comrades. He should pull him aside after formation and see what problem he has following orders. I believe it starts in the home. If a person doesn’t respect their parents and gets away with it then it can be an issue in a structured environment..
When I went to Aeroscout school at “mother Rucker” I was singled out as not only the highest rank, but I had a few years over my classmates. Also when I was I. Flight Medic School I was selected again as the class leader. I became to realize the young troops of today were streetwise, and knew how to work the system so I had to keep a close eye on them so I wouldn't get “ghosted.”
I can also remember when they handed out “stress cards” to the soldiers. It was like a get out of jail free” card. I’m not sure if that was an Army wide thing or at a unit level.
Personally, as a good NCO, I would have counseled him and then if that didn’t work, escalated it up the chain of command.
There are just some soldiers who cannot and will not take orders because of the way they were raised. Which leads me to say if “they can’t take the heat then get out of the kitchen.” Show them the door and don’t let it hit them in the ass.
The military isn’t for everyone and it is what you make it.

Response by MSG David Lambert made Dec 14 at 2022 4:20 PM

MSG David Lambert — Wed, 14 Dec 2022 16:20:45 -0500

First have their pass privileges revoked and place them on extra training. Next on every field training exercise volunteer them to assist both the Supply Sergeant and volunteer them for KP if the Mess Sergeant actually sets up in the field. Then the motor pool can alway use extra hands on details, am I kind of getting the point across?

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Dec 17 at 2022 9:24 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Sat, 17 Dec 2022 21:24:56 -0500

Simple, it’s a telling it’s a NJP, Loss of rank, money and restrictions. Your E3 on below you get the shitty jobs, get busted s rank your doomed to shit jobs forever. Then the The company Gunny takes it from there.

Response by MSgt Earl King made Dec 18 at 2022 11:56 PM

MSgt Earl King — Sun, 18 Dec 2022 23:56:53 -0500

Shocked!! Mental Case. crap bird, crap list, make his last few months in the Corp pure hell before he gets that BCD!!

Response by A1C LaLa Nelson made Jan 9 at 2023 6:45 PM

A1C LaLa Nelson — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 18:45:37 -0500

Not get on here and bitch about it. Clearly this E-2 knows they can punk you, and what the hell is your MOS. The cook? Interior designs? Hopefully you and that E-2 are no where near any combat related job

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Jan 20 at 2023 7:49 AM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:49:27 -0500

Bring them up on charges

Response by PO3 Thomas O'Brien made Feb 11 at 2023 11:20 AM

PO3 Thomas O'Brien — Sat, 11 Feb 2023 11:20:13 -0500

A good old fashioned fan room counseling session worked back in the '80s.

Response by SP5 Timothy Cooper made Feb 12 at 2023 7:53 PM

SP5 Timothy Cooper — Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:53:38 -0500

Have the E2 report to my office put him doing 50 good pushup's when done ask wait is your complaint with the job. At that point hand him a shovel an tell him all the sand on top to one side so the ground can be tested or get a AR15 faster than his or her moth can move you are the NCO not them.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Feb 13 at 2023 9:53 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:53:35 -0500

It's 6:45 AM, Vegas Time~ Monday, ~ 02/13/2023~
And I've Been MOSTLY Just Reading These Posts,
For About TWO HOURS Now....
GENTLEMEN.!!.....When I Read YOUR Comments,
And Your REPLIES
You MEN Make ME Proud,
Just To Be Here With You !!
THANKS,
The Gods Know I Love Ya !
RICK

Response by SGT John Baker made Feb 13 at 2023 8:59 PM

SGT John Baker — Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:59:21 -0500

I served with the 101st back in the very early 1960s. I was an FO for the 81s & a mortar squad leader. (Buck E-5) I kept an extra blouse with no stripes on it for such occasions. I rarely had to use it but it was for those rare times when after hour’s instruction was called for in the event someone had a problem with my leadership abilities. Such things were not allowed officially in those days but they happened. These days with political correctness and all, I doubt such advice would have any bearing on anything. Like all older folks, we naturally think our days were better. ABATW.

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Feb 16 at 2023 3:10 PM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Thu, 16 Feb 2023 15:10:59 -0500

First of all, that is blatent insubordination and needs to be addressed immediately, appropriately and sternly so that this person's peers don't think they can get away with insubordination as well. When I was in service, this would have resulted in a quick trip to the First Shirt and Commander's offices and possibly an Article 15 at the very least; maybe a loss of grade as well.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2023 9:56 PM

Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 21:56:00 -0400

Be a leader and pull him aside to address the actual issue as an individual. Or you can be like most of the 70’s boomers here and just claim you would publicly flog him after running 25 miles uphill in the snow both ways.

Response by Sgt Trevor Sellers made Mar 23 at 2023 9:29 AM

Sgt Trevor Sellers — Thu, 23 Mar 2023 09:29:09 -0400

From my experience in the Marine Corps I can't imagine this type of situation even happening.

Response by PFC Jaime Vargas made Mar 23 at 2023 7:50 PM

PFC Jaime Vargas — Thu, 23 Mar 2023 19:50:07 -0400

I would react how every Sergeant (or E5 equivalent) should. Tell that PFC to stand by. Dismiss the unit to carry on with their days work. Order the PFC to stand at attention and ask obviously easy questions to help him understand he is not following lawful and direct orders. Ensure you are being as condescending as possible, due to the blatant disrespect for superiors assigning them a job. You need to correct it on the spot and ensure they are aware of the TRUE repercussions for disobeying orders.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Mar 24 at 2023 3:39 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:39:00 -0400

His disrespect was public so his reprimand should be in public. Not only does it correct bad conduct, it serves as a warning to all others that you won't stand for any disrespect.

Response by SPC Douglas Wilson made Mar 25 at 2023 10:05 AM

SPC Douglas Wilson — Sat, 25 Mar 2023 10:05:04 -0400

Back in the day he'd be on shit barrel detail. If that didn't work he'd be walking point!

Response by PO3 James Snyder made Mar 25 at 2023 4:15 PM

PO3 James Snyder — Sat, 25 Mar 2023 16:15:39 -0400

I WOULD TELL THEM THANK-YOU, NOW I KNOW HOW YOU FELL ABOUT IT.
THEN I WOULD WRITE DOWN WHAT I TOLD THEM TO DO, PUT IT IN A SEALED PACK AND TELL THEM PLEASE TAKE THIS TO MY HIGH UP. O BY THE WAY, I WOULD STATE IN IT I WAS TOLD TO DO SOMETHING I DO NOT FELL I SHOULD NEED TO DO, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO THIS FOR ME.
THEN SET BACK AND LET THE FIRE FLY.

Response by SGT Brian Jarvi made Mar 27 at 2023 12:11 PM

SGT Brian Jarvi — Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:11:25 -0400

I would take them aside and remind them that this is not a democracy. You signed your name on the dotted line. You will do as you’re told or it can be handled through the UCMJ. There is a reason for discipline. I always had a reason for choosing who I gave a job to. Nobody can do the mission alone. It’s teamwork that makes it work

Response by SCPO Lonny Randolph made Mar 27 at 2023 2:59 PM

SCPO Lonny Randolph — Mon, 27 Mar 2023 14:59:32 -0400

After the appropriate ass chewing and dispatch to work comes phase II. Generally on my duty day when I'm not leaving the ship anyway, I catch the young lad at the brow just at liberty call. Thats when I discover a special task that requires only his special abilities and talents which will of course be completed BEFORE liberty commences. Generally such tasks take till about 0300. I note that on the few occasions in my career when such "training" has been required I've never had to repeat it, moreover I note that the rest of the division is enlightened as well...

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 27 at 2023 5:15 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Mon, 27 Mar 2023 17:15:12 -0400

.
I'd Let Him Smart Off ONCE.....
He Can't Smart Off Twice
With A Broken Jaw While Getting
A Good Ass Kicking.

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Mar 27 at 2023 10:36 PM

Cpl Brian Ruby — Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:36:41 -0400

Hahahaha! You really don't want to know!!! It would offend your modern sensibilities. Keep telling yourselves the enemies are human...dumbasses.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Apr 1 at 2023 10:09 AM

1SG James Kelly — Sat, 01 Apr 2023 10:09:56 -0400

Make his life a living hell.

Response by Cpl Jennifer Hart made Apr 1 at 2023 2:06 PM

Cpl Jennifer Hart — Sat, 01 Apr 2023 14:06:03 -0400

Lol no comment

Response by PO1 Steven Ewing made Apr 29 at 2023 3:05 PM

PO1 Steven Ewing — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:05:06 -0400

That sounds like a sailor volunteering for every lousy detail/assignment that can be found for him/her.

Response by SSG Paul Carrier made Apr 29 at 2023 7:36 PM

SSG Paul Carrier — Sat, 29 Apr 2023 19:36:15 -0400

Half an hour of the dying cockroach and the section will STRONGLY encourage the young E2 in the error of his ways.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made May 1 at 2023 3:19 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Mon, 01 May 2023 15:19:54 -0400

Wall-to-wall counseling isn't allowed anymore.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made May 3 at 2023 12:28 PM

SP5 Donna Barr — Wed, 03 May 2023 12:28:49 -0400

Nobody today is a draftee. They're all just volunteers who joined "for a job" and a sign up bribe. Maybe they've got a better job offer outside and want to terminate their contract?

Response by SN Maureen McClain made May 3 at 2023 4:10 PM

SN Maureen McClain — Wed, 03 May 2023 16:10:30 -0400

As id you do not already know. Discipline the entire squad.

Response by SPC Anthony Jackson made May 25 at 2023 9:42 AM

SPC Anthony Jackson — Thu, 25 May 2023 09:42:40 -0400

A lot of these comments make me happy I seperated in 2010.

That PVT would be in the front leaning rest position until the end of formation. Afterwards he/she would be doing front-back-go, picking cherries and putting them in the basket until I got tired.
That's how I learned as a Private.
One comment, Praise in Public and Punish in Private.... Our military is not what it was.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made May 29 at 2023 11:36 AM

SSG Steve Knox — Mon, 29 May 2023 11:36:38 -0400

I would have the remaining troops in formation "standfast" and pull the insubordinate warrior offline. I would then ask the insubordinate warrior does he/she believe his/her fellow warriors have his/her back? I would then ask the insubordinate warrior does he/she think I have their back? No matter what his/her answer would be, I would put that insubordinate warrior in charge of that day's details and have him/her report to me once all tasks are complete. This junior warrior needs to learn loyalty and respect. If his fellow warriors are true to Army values, they will give him/her that.

Response by LCDR Ed Etzkorn made Jun 3 at 2023 11:29 AM

LCDR Ed Etzkorn — Sat, 03 Jun 2023 11:29:24 -0400

Immediate discipline in front of the formation.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Jun 3 at 2023 11:10 PM

SGT Christopher Sigafoos — Sat, 03 Jun 2023 23:10:18 -0400

As an E-5, I've actually run into this. I pulled the PV2 aside, brought him to my first line so I'd have a witness, and smoked him (It was the first time the PV2 tried something like this). After, the PV2 then did the job and I followed up with an after action review. They didn't mouth off again after that.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Jun 4 at 2023 10:49 AM

SGT Juan Robledo — Sun, 04 Jun 2023 10:49:40 -0400

If that E2 doesn’t respect you as his Squad Leader, Section Leader, or Plt Sgt then there’s definitely something wrong, might he thinks he or she doesn’t need guidance or refuses to follow orders or directions, then write him up for insubordination and if that still doesn’t work, take him somewhere, where there’s no one around and have at it, then see if his attitude changes, that should be the last option, extra duty works also, a months worth’s, 7 days a week after work till 2300 hrs

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Jun 4 at 2023 11:05 PM

PFC Lisa McDonald — Sun, 04 Jun 2023 23:05:37 -0400

By turning them into either a silent E-1 in formation or a loudmouth E-1 in their way to a discharge. Maybe come straight out with those options to them during a counseling seesion. Let them know next time those two options will become their reality.

Response by PO3 Cindy Carter made Jun 5 at 2023 2:39 AM

PO3 Cindy Carter — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 02:39:39 -0400

He must have liked being an E-1. Presto. He’s an E-1 again. Perhaps he will acquire some self discipline. There’s always a 5 mile run just for fun before anyone else is out of their rack. There are lots of ways to make him see the error of his ways.

Response by CPL T.A. Nelson made Jun 5 at 2023 5:43 AM

CPL T.A. Nelson — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 05:43:45 -0400

All NCOs that are worth anything know that you have them stand fast after formation with a team leader or battle buddy. Then you use your comand voice and attempt to explain, without profanity, what there duty is. If it is a first offense, give them extra duty following the task originally chosen. After that, if it continues, you inform team leader that they need to get the soilder in line - if you are the team leader, after every one is away you calmly give them a chance to correct their attitude or smoke them. Ar 15, comes next and after that it is a crazy system that follows...

Response by SPC Raymond Allen made Jun 6 at 2023 9:37 AM

SPC Raymond Allen — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 09:37:34 -0400

I'd drop them in front leaning rest for the duration of the formation and then we would have a talk about what their problem is.

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Jun 6 at 2023 11:41 AM

PO1 Robert Ryan — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 11:41:44 -0400

When i wars a 18m year old PFC I wanted to know why a Buck Sergeant put me on filling sandbags. detail. He looked at me and said Y is a crooked letter now get up off your ass and move. This was in October 1967. I have no idea what form of motivation is available to Sergeants now. In basic it weas a Drill Sergeant telling you to step into his office for some special counseling.

Response by SGT Michael Yett made Jun 7 at 2023 4:44 AM

SGT Michael Yett — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 04:44:14 -0400

Blanket party at 2am after having everyone else but said idiot soldier do one hundred pushups each while he doesn't and make it clear to them why they are being punished instead of him...today that's probably not an option...but in my day it was...

Response by MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2023 10:29 AM

MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 10:29:30 -0400

Some of these questions/situations posted here just make me scratch my head and say, you have got to be shitting me.

Response by LT Louis McKellar made Jun 7 at 2023 11:44 PM

LT Louis McKellar — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 23:44:07 -0400

As a TSGT, I would immediately address the E2s shortcomings. As a naval officer, I would have my CPO address the problem.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jun 8 at 2023 9:46 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Thu, 08 Jun 2023 09:46:46 -0400

I Know What I'd Do, But Here's MY Question;
What Was YOUR Response & What Did YOU Do.?
NO E-3 Should Be ALLOWED To Talk Like That To An E-5
And Even THINK "He Might Get Away With It"...
REGARDLESS Of ANY Excuse, What-So-Ever!!

Response by LTC David Howard made Jun 8 at 2023 1:40 PM

LTC David Howard — Thu, 08 Jun 2023 13:40:38 -0400

I’m a bit stunned by the comments made by some. Such blatant insubordination is beyond tolerable. If allowed it will render the unit incapable of fulfilling a mission where life and death are on the line. The private involved should be told he is under arrest and others ordered to keep him were directed until military police are present to jail him. The appropriate discipline would be a Special Courts Martial.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Jun 27 at 2023 12:31 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 12:31:44 -0400

Thank you posting an interesting question my friend LTJG Private RallyPoint Member.
As a PV2 Combat Engineer I never smart mouthed in formation. As a PFC USMAPS cadet candidate I never smart-mouthed in formation. As an acting Drill-cadet-Sgt at Fort Dix in 1978, no PV2 or PVT smart mouthed to me in formation.
As in infantry Platoon Leader, I never experienced a PV2 or any other rank smart-mouthing in formation. If they did, the platoon NCO's would pull him aside and correct him via counseling.
FYI MSG Danny Mathers SSG Roger Ayscue PO1 Robert Ryan 1SG Joseph Dartey SSG Bill McCoy 1LT Peter Duston MSgt James Parker SMSgt Lawrence McCarter SPC Michael Terrell SSG Edward Tilton SSG Derrick Iozzio SSG Private RallyPoint Member CW3 Matt Hutchason CPT Pedro Meza CW4 Craig Urban PO3 Edward Riddle CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw MSgt Bj Jones

Response by SPC Priscilla Whitt made Jul 6 at 2023 10:50 AM

SPC Priscilla Whitt — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 10:50:28 -0400

Ummmmm....... There was no such answer as no! Are you kidding me? The military has become a joke if an E2 even thinks about saying no! I don't care what the crap happened at home or anywhere else! You do as told! If the E2 is having problems they should talk to someone. But to openly deny to do the job is insubordination! Smoke them. And if that doesn't work they don't need to be in the military. Somebody's life could be dependent on this E2 and they just can't be counted on!

Response by MAJ Rob Kiser made Jul 9 at 2023 6:03 PM

MAJ Rob Kiser — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 18:03:50 -0400

Simple -- just pick the biggest, most badassed MFer in the squad, and inform him that in addition to his own tasks he will now be performing the tasks refused by the insubordinate PV2. Give it a day or two and all will be resolved.

Response by SFC Nyla Newville made Jul 9 at 2023 8:04 PM

SFC Nyla Newville — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 20:04:21 -0400

How about standing in a front leaning position until I was tired

Response by Sgt Michael Betts made Jul 10 at 2023 9:45 AM

Sgt Michael Betts — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 09:45:29 -0400

If the private was dissatisfied with his assignment and mouthed off, I would immediately (and in the presence of the formation) change it - to something infinitely worse, the dirtiest, smelliest, most onerous and exhausting task there was. If there wasn't one, I'd MAKE one. I'd let him know that this was going to be his lot in life for as long as it took for him to get it through his thick skull that he would do what he was told to do without complaint. If he balked at it, I'd bring him up on charges and see how he liked that.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2023 7:46 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 19:46:42 -0400

Simple UCMJ their ass and let the paperwork do the working for you.

Response by SPC Richard Standal made Jul 11 at 2023 2:36 PM

SPC Richard Standal — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 14:36:17 -0400

Respect is earned and if you have that this will happen rarely. That being said, disobedience or disrespect must be dealt with immediately. Forcing the man to do the job will only result in a job poorly done however privileges can be withheld and will demonstrate both your leadership and authority.
BUT I'm from the brown shoe army and things were a bit different back then.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2023 9:54 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Jul 2023 09:54:55 -0400

"Half right, face! Front leaning rest position, MOVE!"
"In cadence, exercise!"
"One, two, three, one, two, three..." Repeat until they do 100 solid pushups.

Response by SGT Patrick Glover made Jul 12 at 2023 10:05 AM

SGT Patrick Glover — Wed, 12 Jul 2023 10:05:19 -0400

Article 15,

Response by SFC James Corona made Jul 13 at 2023 2:23 PM

SFC James Corona — Thu, 13 Jul 2023 14:23:58 -0400

Written Warning 1st time with his/her Squadler present counseling session. 2nd time disciplinary action under UCMJ maximum punitive actions allowed.
Two, NOT three strikes YOU'RE OUT!
Note: Investigate climate in your unit for UCMJ support.
Why? Because the Armed Forces UCMJ may have shifted due to Woke influence!

Response by SGT Daniel Merriman made Jul 14 at 2023 7:01 AM

SGT Daniel Merriman — Fri, 14 Jul 2023 07:01:56 -0400

As an E5 in the 82nd ABN ,I'd smoke his ass first,then leave him in the leaning rest until he ETSed !

Response by SFC John Stroud made Jul 14 at 2023 11:04 AM

SFC John Stroud — Fri, 14 Jul 2023 11:04:52 -0400

In the old days 1975 - 1980 take the soldier behind the old barn and the soldier walks out. end of discussion.

Response by SFC Aubrey Campbell made Jul 14 at 2023 12:36 PM

SFC Aubrey Campbell — Fri, 14 Jul 2023 12:36:12 -0400

This never happened to me. I must’ve had a terrifying LOOK!!!

Response by PO2 Ronnie Chandler made Jul 14 at 2023 5:41 PM

PO2 Ronnie Chandler — Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:41:59 -0400

I was in this exact situation as a new E5. One of my guys actually told me to stuff it he wasn't gonna do anything I said to do. I went to my Div. Officer and asked how I should handle it. He tore me a new one then looked at me and said now you know. I promptly called everybody into formation and I saw him watching and I explained exactly who I wanted to do what and explained that these were lawful orders and if you refused I would make sure you were in a secure place until you got to see the Commanding Officer said butthead just laughed until base security escorted him out to their quarters. Never ever had to do that again. Said butthead said st captains mast that I wasn't clear in my directions Division officer asked him if he spoke English dummy looks at him and says Duh I'm talking English now ! It was just too funny to watch him dig his own hole. So yes shut it down or others will follow

Response by MAJ Janice Campbell. BSN, RN, CNOR made Jul 15 at 2023 7:45 PM

MAJ Janice Campbell. BSN, RN, CNOR — Sat, 15 Jul 2023 19:45:19 -0400

Bring back discipline back to the military, just like when our former military was powerful. Full stop!

Response by SPC Kynthia Rosgeal made Jul 17 at 2023 2:06 AM

SPC Kynthia Rosgeal — Mon, 17 Jul 2023 02:06:32 -0400

My reaction internally is shock. Even though I was a specialist I had skill sets outside my pay grade and was often asked to take E1-E3 and get them either qualified to drive M113, 2.5 and 5 tons. clean, maintain and operate 50s and M60s, etc.

Basically free up an NCO to handle NCO shit. No butthurt, it felt pretty damn good to have my leaders have that level of confidence in my ability to train and manage. And almost always it went well, no pressure, group of grunts squatting around equipment and going through the steps. No sweat

Except one brand spanking new E2. I was prior service before returning as NG in my MOS, I was older than my peers and had no desire to seek E5. I was very happy with my pay and my flexibility as a soldier. E4 mafia for life. And before any of you lifers give me grief, at least buy me a beer so I can take you seriously (kidding, I've got nothing but mad respect for y'all).

Back to KIA E2 (know it all) I'm teaching the FNGs to quickly replace barrels on a 60. It's not difficult. 1. Gloves 2. Detach barrel and remove and let go of that 7th level of hellfire. 3. Replace and secure fresh barrel 4. Get back to feeding your gunner. Over simplified, but you get the idea of my teaching method. KIA E2, when I get to "are there any questions" speaks up and says "yeah, dude, why is a specialist teaching us this" ? No biggie. I remind him my address is either simply my last name (unique) or SPC name, and continue with the fact that last time we went out 2 60 barrels were deadline for overheating and I was asked to go over this with y'all. I am reminded, rather pointedly, "specialists have no fucking authority". Little does KIA know how the mafia works. I tell him he is factually correct, there is no actual authority in my rank, I'm little more than an overpaid PFC. However, our platoon Sgt, the guy with 3 stripes and 2 rockers has ample authority and I am following his orders. So, son, I need you to fully understand, before you say or do something you will regret, ask yourself "am I prepared to go up to my platoon sgts face and deny his authority"

Short version, the young soldier gained the benefit of experience at the hands of a reasonably patient veteran. Had he talked like that to the wrong NCO, it could have gone a lot worse than a simple explanation.

Just like cattle and horses, often the slow, measured approach yields more results with a lot less effort.

Had the little bastard kept it up, we would have been running with full gear and the 60s and heating up the barrels with blanks. The other FNGs would have squared him away.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Jul 17 at 2023 10:55 AM

Cpl George Matousek — Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:55:22 -0400

Charged with disrespect to an NCO and refusing to follow orders. Semper Fi

Response by PFC Stanley Klatka made Jul 18 at 2023 12:00 PM

PFC Stanley Klatka — Tue, 18 Jul 2023 12:00:47 -0400

Make him push!!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2023 11:47 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 11:47:03 -0400

A little wall to wall counseling, then have his next in line help him pack his bag to go home. We don't need that type in today's military, and if that attitude passes on to someone else, they probably won't be as patient. Put him/her out of their misery early.

Response by SGT Gifford Allaire made Aug 12 at 2023 6:21 PM

SGT Gifford Allaire — Sat, 12 Aug 2023 18:21:39 -0400

I'm old school....but I'd have either had him doing pushups till his arms fell off, or beat his ass right then. That's something that needs to be squashed right then and there. But since this is the new touchy feely army, recommend an article 15 for failing to follow a direct order.

Response by Cpl John Wahlgren made Aug 13 at 2023 10:37 AM

Cpl John Wahlgren — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 10:37:15 -0400

Office hours

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Aug 19 at 2023 4:40 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sat, 19 Aug 2023 04:40:30 -0400

Tell PVT FUCKHEAD that his life as he knows it, just came to an end.

Response by MSG Michael Gay made Aug 30 at 2023 6:49 PM

MSG Michael Gay — Wed, 30 Aug 2023 18:49:08 -0400

Praise in a large group. Call for that individual to stand fast as you dismiss the rest of your people. Then tell that individual that you will not tolerate insulting remarks.

Response by SPC Michael Budzinski made Sep 13 at 2023 4:18 AM

SPC Michael Budzinski — Wed, 13 Sep 2023 04:18:52 -0400

All depends on the person and can’t recognize their people. I was a smart ass and known to make the comment . Almost always corrected work assignments and well respected by my E5 and motor Sargent. Won the division maintenance award and maybe the only E4 in the Army with a double MOS of 63N and 45N. Tankers of E6 or E7 had zero problems with me and most friends. Heater goes out in your tank during winter in Germany? Back ordered and may see by summer. Had Chief order my parts, tankers removed their own heaters, I rebuilt, they reinstalled and heat the same day.

It’s teamwork and knowing your people. It depends what is coming out of the mouth and deciding if valuable. It’s also a NCO’s job to educate and make that kid a man with all different personalities. Worse person to serve with is a dumbass lifer who always pulls rank. Earn respect and teach then most stupid problems go away.

Everyone remembers who the best people served with and the dick. Don’t be the dick. Everyone knows how to pull rank, it’s the talk afterwards teaching someone to be a man and future NCO.

Response by PFC Doyle Hayes made Sep 13 at 2023 10:09 AM

PFC Doyle Hayes — Wed, 13 Sep 2023 10:09:20 -0400

Let him push the ground until he learns he's not dealing with his weak parents anymore

Response by Brad Miller made Oct 1 at 2023 7:42 PM

Brad Miller — Sun, 01 Oct 2023 19:42:02 -0400

You can (1) drop the Hammer of God on the mutineer, or (2) lose all moral authority over your command. Forever.
No, I was never permitted to serve (bad eyes), but I have been a manager at several companies, and the principle is the same.

Response by SSgt Gerald Morris made Oct 3 at 2023 11:48 AM

SSgt Gerald Morris — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 11:48:48 -0400

I am an " Old Salty Marine " ( SSgt, 1973 to 1994 ), I have actually had this experience back in 1986 with a young Lcpl.

It took me a while ( About 15 Min. ) in hand to hand combat " Training " to square him away, but, it worked. .. He Immediately turned a " New Leaf " and became a Great Marine.

I understand and realize fully, that not all such circumstances require such a direct path to attitude adjustment. In my particular case, the young Marine was worth those efforts. Had he not been worth my time and effort, based on performance or other underlying issues, I would have had him stand fast along with my NCO ( Sgt ) and had that Marine written up for conduct unbecoming a Marine and failure to follow a direct order. In short, I don't have time to waste it on Marines that don't want to be there, so, I would have helped him along towards a ride home !

The Corps, along with all other branches is changing. Troops " FEEL " they are entitled to rebuttal of orders, reasons for those orders and that they be provided a voice in how those orders are carried out. I do NOT agree with what OUR SERVICES have become and where they are headed.

I'm just glad I retired BEFORE those changes took such a dramatic control and position, from the Commanding General wishing to make a political statement to the " NEW WOKE " Commanding Officers wanting to gain favor with that General.

Stand Your Ground, Honor Your Oaths
SEMPER FI

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Oct 3 at 2023 6:24 PM

SGT Erick Holmes — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 18:24:40 -0400

We would need to have a discussion in the woodline. For me, I will let the smart ass comment slide in formation. I'm a believer on not airing families dirty laundry. But rest a sure even though we don't air our families laundry we damn will learn how to wash it first.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2023 6:43 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 18:43:48 -0400

Nip it quickly. Either through event oriented counseling or other..

Response by TSgt J.L. Brown Jr made Oct 4 at 2023 4:49 AM

TSgt J.L. Brown Jr — Wed, 04 Oct 2023 04:49:07 -0400

He would be doing the task, or he will fear the reaper. Article 15, of letter of reprimand. If he wants a career he will do what he's told. If not he's in for a troubling times

Response by SPC David C. made Oct 4 at 2023 8:59 PM

SPC David C. — Wed, 04 Oct 2023 20:59:28 -0400

Dude you gotta absolutely crush that expeditiously. Forget this whole "senior E-5" bit...you're an E5 and he's a brand new out the box boot E2. Take him somewhere and smoke the shit outta him. Let him know if it happens again, you'll take it to the tree line.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2023 3:38 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 15:38:44 -0400

Take their time. Physical punishment isnt gonna solve squat. They do PT every morning anyways so that’s free. Have them write an 5 paragraph essay on the importance of following orders and the consequences of insubordination, give them a due date and start a paper trail. This not only teaches military style writing early on but helps with his mindset. His refusal to follow orders is a mindset. True leadership is inspiring the solider to change his mind on to why he should follow you not because you have stripes on your chest. That’s call ego and no one follows ego. Once YOU change your mindset that you aren’t the best thing since sliced bread because you have stripes and start leading by inspiration that’s when this won’t become a problem. Yours truly, the E4 Mafia.

Response by PFC Joseph Russo made Oct 6 at 2023 12:22 PM

PFC Joseph Russo — Fri, 06 Oct 2023 12:22:49 -0400

I am old school... knock his ass out.

Response by SSgt Lawrence W. Gordon made Oct 6 at 2023 2:41 PM

SSgt Lawrence W. Gordon — Fri, 06 Oct 2023 14:41:35 -0400

He would be cleaning grease pits for the next month!

Response by CW2 Robert Troop made Oct 7 at 2023 6:34 PM

CW2 Robert Troop — Sat, 07 Oct 2023 18:34:37 -0400

Do a reverse psychology on that insubordiante individual, and reverse the roles , (only after dismissing the remainder of the troops), but keep his platoon leader with you so both will not say you are picking on that individual, and or she will go above your head and report you of abuse or mistreatment. Do exactly what he did to you, and the same to him and then ask him how he licked it. When, and if the individual did not show remorse or apologize what he did wrong, then say to him and the patron leader that if he disobey orders or if he acts continuously in this behavior, then you have report his actions in give him article 1 USMJ. If he continues to be a loud mouth and disobedient then reduce whatever rank they hold . The patron leader E-5 would need to have a talk to as well, not so much in reprimanded but to get this individual in the right path. Will this work, possibilities it might work, and then you can go about your everyday duties, if not, then removal of the arm forces.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2023 3:19 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 03:19:17 -0400

Counseling statement as your order is lawful. If the assignment was given, the E2 should do it end of discussion. Im a fresh E5 and I've had my share of times were I didn't want to do an assignment, but I knew how my NCOs would respond if I hadn't.

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Oct 9 at 2023 3:48 PM

SFC Benjamin Varlese — Mon, 09 Oct 2023 15:48:34 -0400

To put it bluntly, in Grunt terms, if their TL and SL didn’t immediately jump in that kid’s 4th point of contact, there’s a bigger problem in that unit. Crush it, with an appropriate punishment, like CQ, SD, and any extra duty that comes up for the next month. Reason #439 why I got out; in my day I would smoke them until I got tired

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made Oct 10 at 2023 1:18 AM

SFC Jerald Bottcher — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 01:18:03 -0400

Immediately pull the soldier out of the formation (having the soldier stand by by while getting the rest of to work) Then issue a counseling statement, getting the Platoon Sgt involved if needed. This would be a ONE TIME ONLY warning. They do it again and I am going to put them in for an Article 15. I have done this a few times. (Usually it only takes one wake up call to get the soldier to wake up and smell the coffee). Most times between me and the Plt Sgt we were able to take care of things.
Every time we brought a soldier up for an Article 15 for this type of infraction, the commander would send it up the line for a field grade Article 15, if for no other reason than to send a message.

I am not talking about the usual moaning and groaning and bitching and whining. I am talking about the egregious stuff. In the Army everybody bitches and whines

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made Oct 10 at 2023 1:19 AM

SFC Jerald Bottcher — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 01:19:23 -0400

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Oct 11 at 2023 10:14 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:14:02 -0400

In the former Army of the 60's and beyond, I would have taken him to the back of a building and kicked his ass. That usually worked. If it didn't work he would be given an Article 15.

Response by SSG Juan Garza made Oct 12 at 2023 5:09 PM

SSG Juan Garza — Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:09:37 -0400

Make an example of the soldier in front of everyone. Two soldiers hate to loose, time and money.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Oct 21 at 2023 6:16 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Sat, 21 Oct 2023 18:16:32 -0400

Talk with your senior chief and assign all the shittiest, most fucked up details this little shitbird. You’ll need backing so that this doesn’t look like you are just picking on this guy.

Have him clean holding tanks and shitters and anything else that no one wants to do.

You can break him of this.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Nov 5 at 2023 7:30 PM

SFC Kevin Childers — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 19:30:55 -0500

Assist this errant in transitioning to civilian life.

Response by AA Richard Tallini made Nov 16 at 2023 12:36 PM

AA Richard Tallini — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 12:36:07 -0500

This guy clearly joined the wrong branch. Should’ve went Navy!

Response by 1SG David Lopez made Nov 16 at 2023 8:26 PM

1SG David Lopez — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:26:13 -0500

I retired from Army Infantry in 2003. If this happened to me I would handle this situation immediately and harshly with extreme prejudice. This POS would have become my pet project and would suffer world class Physical Training to the extent that he would be traumatized and regret he ever lost his discipline. I’d do every bit of PT with him FYI. And after the hour’s session of PT, he’d be supervised to complete the original work task he was ordered to do. Discipline and immediate response to orders is what is necessary to complete the mission. RLTW!

Response by SGT Paul Santore made Nov 16 at 2023 10:30 PM

SGT Paul Santore — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 22:30:15 -0500

I suggest immediate correction with emphasis on military bearing, being a team member and team cohesion. I further suggest such corrective action be presented at first as an unemotional/unreactive teaching moment for the entire unit. Expressing that the lack of team cohesion is always selfish in motivating reasoning and such behavior eventually will get someone seriously injured or killed. No team can or will trust and/or embrace selfish, self-centered members. If the enlisted person still insists on refusal and insubordinant attitude, I would ask the individual to address the Senior Drill as well as the unit to explain exactly why they are refusing and how they feel their insubordinant manner of behavior is correct. If attitude persists and without a reasonable explanation (i.e. fear or no understand of how to complete task). I suggest the next step would be to issue this enlisted person a direct, legal order to carry out said task. Failure to do so in any fashion other than in a sharp, professional military manner - Article 15, would then be most appropriate.

Response by PV2 Michael Brown made Nov 17 at 2023 11:51 AM

PV2 Michael Brown — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:51:57 -0500

Ha! Do the old school thing: Punish everyone else. Explain why they are receiving correcting action. They will make swift correction of his insubordination.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Nov 17 at 2023 11:57 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 23:57:27 -0500

Stand them at attention and explain to them that this is not the civilian world and the they work for the military and they are to obey orders. If not they will be written up. And explain to them what happens to them when they get so many write ups.

Response by MSG David Guy made Dec 17 at 2023 2:37 PM

MSG David Guy — Sun, 17 Dec 2023 14:37:44 -0500

That would be the last time.

Response by SPC Stuart Bispo made Dec 17 at 2023 9:04 PM

SPC Stuart Bispo — Sun, 17 Dec 2023 21:04:05 -0500

Dismiss everyone except him and his squad leader. He needs to explain his actions, if he does with respect, accept it. But there still need consequences for his actions. Not only for his understanding but for all that observed the action. If he still has attitude, smoke him!

Response by CPL John McCulley made Dec 17 at 2023 11:48 PM

CPL John McCulley — Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:48:38 -0500

As has been said at Ft. Benning for "millenia" (it will always be Benning to many of us), the PVT would be pushing Georgia down to Florida.
To be honest though, if the PVT goes so far as to tell you to choose someone else, he/she has been failed by their previous chain of command & I seriously question their drill SGT.
This has to be nipped in the bud quickly! If it happens a second time they would be coming in on a Sat for PT and remedial training.

Response by PO3 Charles Manson made Dec 18 at 2023 6:31 AM

PO3 Charles Manson — Mon, 18 Dec 2023 06:31:59 -0500

Depends on the color of their skin. Are they LGBQT? If yes, nothing.
WASP? Discipline to the highest possible sentence.

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Dec 18 at 2023 8:31 AM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Mon, 18 Dec 2023 08:31:41 -0500

Been exposed to worse... Ft. Leonard Wood, MO late October 1967. I was an E-1 wearing one of those E-5 sleeves after finishing Leadership School and was assigned to help the E-6 Platoon Sergeant during AIT. Two days later that E-6 received orders to go to the NCO Academy - somewhere unknown to me. I was told to move into his room and do his job. My first day I had to send 3 to KP and 2 to clean the barracks. I got up before Revelee, posted 5 names on the wall and went for an early breakfast before the lights were on. Returning to my barracks in the dark I turned a corner to my building and 5 black trainees appeared from out of the bushes and surrounded me. I knew the tallest guy Parker, who washed out of leadership school, but the others I didn't know. They told me that they were not going to do the posted jobs and I better find someone else, or they were going to kick my ass.
Just what I needed on my first day. So, the only thing I could think of was to go down with style. I said that I didn't expect that they were sissys and would have the honor to take me on one-at-a-time, so I said "You're first Parker, then I pointed to the second biggest guy and I said you're #2, then the next tallest - #3 then #4 and then I turned to the shortest guy and I remember blurting out, something like "If I'm still standing when I'm done with #4, you better hope you can out run me shorty, because your ass will be mine.
As I started closing in on Parker I said, I hate to have to do this to you guys, because you will all be in the brigade doing shittier labor than what I've assigned to you this morning and I'll be done with you one way or the other. But the funny thing is that I didn't pick you because of your race. Witch of you are in the top bunk at the end of a row? EVERY ONE OF YOU IS. Tomorrow the guys below you will be selected because I don't know names yet, but I can remember which bunks come next.
Then I said "So let's go Parker either get this thing started, or go back to the barracks and prepare for KP."
Sure, Parker very well may have kicked my ass by himself. We never found out. These 5 guys became a sort of posse for me and became my "enforcers" any time anyone gave me shit... just by supporting whatever I said and giving anyone who didn't want to comply "dirty looks" that made them reconsider. It was epic.
Morale of the story: Stand your ground. A bloody face demands more respect than a pink stripe down your back. You can take that to the bank.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2023 8:56 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 08:56:40 -0500

The initial reaction would be to get control of the Soldier and his behavior. Once that is taken care of, I would have the Soldier, his or her Platoon Sergeant and Team Chief come to my office. I want to know what is going on with the Soldier. Is this a normal thing that this Soldier does or is this a first offense?

The Soldier has to be taught that under no circumstances will you disrespect your leaders. Discipline has to be instilled in the Soldier and his/her corrective training will focus on building that character trait. This is a great teaching and mentoring moment that if handle correctly will send a message to all that were involved. We all have things that come up and sometimes boil over, but it doesn’t give us the right to throw discipline out the window.

Response by PV2 David Smith made Dec 19 at 2023 2:17 PM

PV2 David Smith — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 14:17:26 -0500

Senior NCO's and Officers are not always correct and or truthful in their dealings with troops. I was busted in rank twice, but I was right! Poor leadership is more often to blame. Rank doesn't give you the right to disrespect me!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2023 11:35 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Dec 2023 11:35:41 -0500

Crush his fucking soul. The first time would be a smoke session to make him reconsider his religious affiliations and help him understand how insubordination is poision amongst the ranks, which if not corrected during a time of conflict will lead to multiple casualties sue to a lack of trust in the leaders set forth by the Army.
Inspire his team leader to correct this action and see it stays corrected and then counsel all Team leaders your expectations from their soldiers.

Second time would just be paperwork with the understanding that a third time would be reccomendation for company grade article 15 and explain everything that can come with that with heavy emphasis on extra duty, pay removed and rank lost.

Response by SSgt James Mathews made Dec 21 at 2023 12:41 PM

SSgt James Mathews — Thu, 21 Dec 2023 12:41:03 -0500

It should have been an immediate article 15 at least. This is the kind of person that we expect to defend the country? How we long for the days of Fort Knox and the 50's. Where is R. Lee Erney?

Response by SGT Michael Wells III made Dec 21 at 2023 2:32 PM

SGT Michael Wells III — Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:32:36 -0500

"They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else."

LOL... Me:

"Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for you, this is not a fking democracy, nor is this your Army - but this is MY platoon and until that changes, you will do what I say or you will find yourself beating your face on the ground until Jesus returns or you will be chaptered out of this Army."

Pretty simple.

Response by SSG Dwight Thompson made Dec 22 at 2023 11:56 AM

SSG Dwight Thompson — Fri, 22 Dec 2023 11:56:12 -0500

In this situation praise in public punish in
private is out the window. Soldiers these days are about looking for weakness. The NCO was challenged in public so he has to let the others know this type of behavior will not and can not be tolerated. The SM has to be corrected in front if the other Soldiers quickly with no hesitation.

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Dec 22 at 2023 12:26 PM

PO1 Robert Ryan — Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:26:16 -0500

being Old School Army I know how a Sergeant would react to it. The new Army I don "t know.

Response by SFC Richard Mortenson made Dec 23 at 2023 10:10 PM

SFC Richard Mortenson — Sat, 23 Dec 2023 22:10:21 -0500

Little bastard would still be doing pushups. Or run till he pucks maybe both.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2023 8:11 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:11:06 -0500

"Push up position" everyone else move out, dismissed!

After I smoked the shxt out of him he would get a counseling in writing, and then be assigned to every detail and extra duty he would voluntold for I could find. -0- tolerance and zero mercy at this point...been there done that! The Platoon Sergeant and First Sergeant would also be briefed, no officer needs to be in the loop. This pain would last a while...

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Dec 25 at 2023 3:16 PM

SSG Douglas Shaffer — Mon, 25 Dec 2023 15:16:51 -0500

Oh, I love this kind of guys.
1. Have him and his Team Leader "Stand Fast."
2. Reprimand in private with Team Leader present.
3. This is the good part you as an NCO are authorized to issue Corrective Training or Remedial Training in the area of the soldier's failure or short comings. The hard part is that it will require your time to do so after daily duty hours. The key here is to take away the soldiers down time/off duty time.
You have to be creative as to how. Example, I had a soldier who after we had return from the field, after a very long field exercise. Took four hours to clean his weapon and yet it still was not clean. While the rest of the squad was done with their weapons, and everyone had chipped in on cleaning the crew serves. I brought this soldier to my room along with his Team Leader and instructed this soldier to be standing at my door at 0600 the following morning with his weapon. I had to make arrangements with the armor and his team leader for him to draw his weapon from the armory. At 0600 (A Saturday) he with all of his battle rattle and his team leader were at my door. I had the soldier sit at my desk and read the manual as to how to properly clean an M16A1. Then instructed him to clean it, in about 15 minutes it was clean, remember the day before he had 4 hours to clean it. He was standing there with all smiles. I then reached in to one of my desk's drawers a recovered to magazine full of blanks and a blank adapter and instructed him to meet us down at this tree below my window. While me and his team leader refilled our cups of coffee.
We meet him by the tree with the two magazines and the adapter and instructed him on just how long it should take to clean a weapon, but the weapon must be dirty under normal combat or training conditions. I issued him the two magazine and told him that me just firing 60 rounds of blanks through his weapon would not qualify for such conditions. I told him that to get the weapon properly dirty under proper conditions what he would have to do, from the prone, 3 to 5 second rush, drop, combat roll in, fire a blank, combat roll out and repeat until all 60 rounds we expended. All the while his team leader and I stood there drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes. this was back when I smoked. Our Co heard the blank fires and came to inquire I informed him of the situation and instructed us to "Carry On."
After this exercise, we returned to my room he sat at my desk and had his weapon cleaned in just under an hour, and ready for the arms room. I then told him if we were to have this problem again, I reached into another draw and recovered six more magazines.
I didn't have a problem with him ever since that day.
So, have this private cleaning trash cans from the mess hall every day for a week after 1800 hours so long as you are present.
Writing soldiers up for AR-15 is too easy and a lazy way out. These are the soldier you are going to have to drag along into combat and you don't have time then to deal with their non-sense and BS.
Oh yeah one more thing, it's a bonus the soldiers in you squad/platoon know that you are willing to spend your time with them to make them better rather than just writing them up for UCMJ, will have more respect for you and then will go that extra mile for you.

Be creative, spend the time, make better soldiers. less AR-15s

Response by PO2 Dean Wilder made Jan 2 at 2024 2:49 PM

PO2 Dean Wilder — Tue, 02 Jan 2024 14:49:40 -0500

BEHIND THE WOODSHED MOMENT ......................... FC2, Work Center Leader, ................. in formation, others are not allowed to breathe without specific approval from ME. In an informal setting, MAYBE. In a private setting, ANY TIME, and I will listen. However in formation, there is my Chief, my DO and possibly the WEPS Officer; I would be in their ass with both boots and a peening hammer, trigger down.

Response by SPC David C. made Jan 7 at 2024 6:31 PM

SPC David C. — Sun, 07 Jan 2024 18:31:22 -0500

Tree line immediately. That E2 will accidentally trip and fall, several times, behind closed doors of course. If you don't crush that right away, no one will respect you going forward, nor should they.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Jan 23 at 2024 1:50 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Tue, 23 Jan 2024 13:50:26 -0500

I never encountered something like that from an E2, but an E4 yeah, he extra duty for 30 days and 7 days restriction

Response by SSgt Milo Ratbottom made Jan 24 at 2024 6:27 AM

SSgt Milo Ratbottom — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 06:27:18 -0500

I had a similar experience, when I was tasked to gather some young troops up to police some grounds ahead of a V.I.P. visit. The E-2 that was defiant and questioned my order explained while he was getting smoked.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Feb 16 at 2024 4:37 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:37:54 -0500

I report him/her to the 1stSgt for office hours. Semper Fi

Response by 1SG Rene Davis made Feb 18 at 2024 6:47 PM

1SG Rene Davis — Sun, 18 Feb 2024 18:47:11 -0500

Whaaaat?

Response by 1LT Brandon Brackett made Feb 18 at 2024 7:28 PM

1LT Brandon Brackett — Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:28:02 -0500

send Jodi boy on a mission

Response by SSG Noah S Ynclan made Mar 25 at 2024 8:45 PM

SSG Noah S Ynclan — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 20:45:46 -0400

This is the appropriate course of action. You temporarily disengage so as not to give said Private the chance to degrade your power base any further in front of the rest of your troops.

To everyone else: "Is everyone else, clear on their work assignments for the day?"
Dismiss them to their work assignments.
Once they have cleared the AO, then you get back with said private and lock them up, "PVT Snuffy, Parade, Rest!". At that point either they comply or they do not with said command. It is a lawful order and one that you should be able to cite via the UCMJ as a Non-Commissioned Officer.

If they do not comply and get at the position of Parade Rest which is a modified position of attention and start yapping at the gums again, then you clarify that the position of Parade Rest is a modified position of attention. Hands overlapped in the small of the back, head and eyes straight forward, and mouth closed unless asked a question or requested to respond.

This will tell you if its a personal thing with them or a personal thing with you; i.e. insubordination!

If its blatant insubordination that they are not willing to participate in motivational self correction, i.e. a smoke session or some written assignment/homework as a means of brief extra duty, then you make clear that they will receive a formal counseling statement which will include an improvement plan and referral to higher up the chain, i.e, referral to a Section Leader/Squad Leader who has more experience in such matters and if the Private is continuing non-compliance then he should most likely be referred to the 1SG of the company/section so that they may be refered to other resources prior to a potential evaluation for a Failure to Adapt Discharge. Do not sink to their level. Afterall, you are the one in charge. Defer to higher leadership if they are not willing to assist in their own self conformity and improvement. The longer you allow it to continue or give them the chances to keep challenging you, the more of your powerbase you risk losing in front of the rest of your team.

Response by SFC James Corona made Mar 26 at 2024 10:09 AM

SFC James Corona — Tue, 26 Mar 2024 10:09:12 -0400

Every situation is different. How so?
A counseling session slone may be appropriate to see what's eating the soldier as a rehabilitation attempt. Listen, and let the soldier open up and be honest. Married privates in most cases have more problems. Find a solution. If he/she is a habitual offender then you need to lock his/her heels with an NCO witness for article 15 proceedings if it goes that far. A soldier may push his/her luck to see your tolerance and thus continue insubordination. The soldier may have come from poor leadership climate that slowly built up. Stand your ground and set a positive leadership example.
During combat, tolerance flies out the window and can cause the lives of other soldiers!

Response by PO2 Howard Carrell made Apr 10 at 2024 6:49 PM

PO2 Howard Carrell — Wed, 10 Apr 2024 18:49:40 -0400

When I was in the Navy, a marine E5 was respected or else. I had many marines who were assigned to me during major buildups of bombs, I was an E5 and I had to tell the Marine E5 what I wanted his men to do. Very easy getting things done.

Response by PO2 Howard Carrell made Apr 10 at 2024 6:55 PM

PO2 Howard Carrell — Wed, 10 Apr 2024 18:55:55 -0400

In the late 60’s and early 70’s. If you had an E2 act like an ass an E5 would just assign him to a shit job and he would know why. If that did not work it was down hill from there!

Response by SSG Tammy Joy Partridge made Jun 20 at 2024 3:14 PM

SSG Tammy Joy Partridge — Thu, 20 Jun 2024 15:14:14 -0400

After formation find out what’s really going on with the troop. If it continues then counseling and or UCMJ.

Response by SSG Richard Bladl made Jun 20 at 2024 11:46 PM

SSG Richard Bladl — Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:46:11 -0400

I would wait until all are dismissed except for him, then march to the orderly room and 1st Sgt to discuss punishment. Needs to be put in his place now or he will be a problem from then on.

Response by SSG Rob Lawrence made Jun 22 at 2024 2:38 PM

SSG Rob Lawrence — Sat, 22 Jun 2024 14:38:37 -0400

Ordinarily counseling someone should be done in private. However, in my opinion this incident is an exception to the rule. This was a blatant act of disobedience that was done in PUBLIC. To not respond in immediate time, allows other individuals within the unit to think this young joker just got away with something. Let the punishment fit the crime, mouth off in public, expect to hear about it in public.

Response by Lt Col Richard Miller made Jun 23 at 2024 2:06 PM

Lt Col Richard Miller — Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:06:53 -0400

Gunny Pepper is absolutely correct. The PFC and his supervisor must be called out immediately. The correction must be made on the spot without hesitation or reservation. In my 33-year career, I have had the pleasure of serving with the Marines on numerous occasions both in Peace and in War. Never had a problem with any of my Marines in following my ORDERS. RICHARD L. MILLER, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)

Response by SPC Francis Center made Jun 23 at 2024 5:06 PM

SPC Francis Center — Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:06:51 -0400

I would release all others and give him a second chance.If that does not work ,I would escort him to first Sargent and explain the situation in front of first Sargent and leave it to first Sargent to dish out punishment.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Jun 24 at 2024 1:42 AM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Mon, 24 Jun 2024 01:42:57 -0400

You must nip that in the bud very quickly,
I would have ordered the member to stand outside of the chief Mess,( E-7 AND ABOVE) the Junior Member Will be order to stand at the Position of attention every day for the next MO, outside of the Chief Mess, until he is called in, for a Uniform Inspection, this will happen Monday - Sunday, every day right after breakfast.
Once Member has completed his uniform inspection, the Senior Military member will inspect his living quarters, after that is completed, he will be given every shit detail we have.
on top of that, Member will be given training to his fellow service member on custom & Courtesy, on How to wear your uniform correctly, what is and is not a lawful order. etc.
it is the job of the senior Enlisted to ensure the junior members have pride in there military service & Uniform.

I have found when I have a smartass member, or a Member who does not have pride in his service and work, the member does not have pride in his Military service, does not have Pride in his uniform Appearance or in the work he or she is assigned to complete most importantly he or she does not have pride in themselves , it are job to instill that pride , and to mentor junior member

My point is, those who do not have pride in there uniform do not have pride in there service, or pride in there Work, once member starts having pride in his service and uniform he or she will have pride in every job he or she is assigned to complete. it is amazing how that works .

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2024 2:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Jun 2024 14:09:29 -0400

Corrective training. He would now be required to give a class on military courtesy and rank of not less than 50 minutes to be presented to the whole company at the next training day. Said program would be reviewed by me and the upper echelon of the unit for accuracy and completeness. This class would be prepared during the next weekend since he will be restricted to barracks for that period.

Response by SGT Joseph Vallela made Jun 25 at 2024 6:35 PM

SGT Joseph Vallela — Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:35:24 -0400

Finish giving out tasks for the rest of the formation. Dismiss the formation and have the pvt stand by. After the rest of the formation leaves the area, discuss the lack of respect not only for you but the rest of the platoon. Explain how his insubordination tears down cohesion within the unit and won't be tolerated. Tell him the tasks assigned to him are just as important to the mission as your tasks are , and they are within his current skill set. Explain to them if the behavior persists, you will recommend other punishment under UCMJ.

Response by MSgt John Fisher made Jul 28 at 2024 12:54 PM

MSgt John Fisher — Sun, 28 Jul 2024 12:54:50 -0400

Would see the troop with his supervisor after formation, remind the E3 there is only 2 ways he is allowed to address an NCO, Parade Rest or Front Leaning Rest their choice but they better pick one right away. Explain to his supervisor that he needs to get his troop in line and back up to standards or I will and I promise he wont like the way I will. IE recommend Article 15 for insubordination etc. Look the troop dead in the eye. Which means you may have to get in the front leaning rest with him or her and remind them that they are acting like a "soup sandwich" and if they want to stay in your military better get their head out of their 3 points of contact and fall in line like the others or better yet you don't like working/taking orders from me then you best get promoted and promoted quick because I guarantee you wont see any promotion on this road your on! Your choice! Then let his supervisor handle it via verbal or written counseling. The supervisor should know his troop better than you, not an excuse for you to not know your troops however, and he will get said troop in line or that supervisor will not be one for long.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Jul 29 at 2024 12:32 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:32:28 -0400

Write him/her up for office hours, needs to realize who is in charge. Semper Fi

Response by MSgt Bruce Hutchinson made Jul 29 at 2024 7:37 PM

MSgt Bruce Hutchinson — Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:37:48 -0400

Stand fast grunt!! Under no circumstances should an NCO stand for open insubordinate behavior, especially in a public environment such as a formation. Burn his ass, then to make sure my point was driven home, assign his but to the more shitty extra duty possible.

Afterward, once the detail was done to my satisfaction, I might bring the young man into my office to discuss his options and yes I’d try to dig a little to find out if there was a personal problem that caused him to have a piss poor attitude and if there was anything that I could do to help ( I’m not a monster). But he would leave my office with a clear understanding as to what is acceptable and what is not.

In my career I’ve been on both sides of that table.

Response by SP5 William Barnshaw made Aug 14 at 2024 4:47 AM

SP5 William Barnshaw — Wed, 14 Aug 2024 04:47:04 -0400

Give them KP… I’ve also threatened to take them out back. And don’t say you can’t do that. BS… Worked for me on that extremely rare occasion. I rarely gave a direct order. I just told my platoon what needed to be done and assigned certain tasks to my squad leaders. Then I would get in there with them and help. Lead by example…

Response by 1SG David McWlliams made Sep 9 at 2024 8:52 AM

1SG David McWlliams — Mon, 09 Sep 2024 08:52:53 -0400

We as leaders don’t have time
For those that have a chip
On their shoulder coming in the military every time someone hurts their feelings . If you can’t handle the constructive ass chewing don’t join

Response by 1SG David McWlliams made Sep 9 at 2024 8:55 AM

1SG David McWlliams — Mon, 09 Sep 2024 08:55:39 -0400

I try to attack issues not the personal attacks . That way they can’t say I made them feel less than a man . I’ll just let them know what action they did was unsat . Sometimes an ass chewing needs to be done public but it depends on the person

Response by SSG Tammy Joy Partridge made Oct 23 at 2024 2:44 PM

SSG Tammy Joy Partridge — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 14:44:27 -0400

They would be cutting grass with scissors at the motor pool after work for rest of week.

Response by SrA Cecelia Eareckson made Oct 23 at 2024 3:03 PM

SrA Cecelia Eareckson — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 15:03:41 -0400

"Shove it" puts that firmly in the negative, and in need of consequence. That said, when I went through six months of being switched around from supervisor to supervisor, with all sorts of duties from handling freight to issuing portcalls, I was pretty burned out. I took a call about entitlement for a "colonel." I asked "Bird or light?" There was a moment's silence on the other end, and I truly do not remember the reply. I was rude, and that officer was nice enough to let it go.

Response by SPC Staci Brill made Oct 23 at 2024 3:30 PM

SPC Staci Brill — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 15:30:48 -0400

Take the private aside and with another NCO or officer as a witness, have him stand at attention,let the private know that his behavior is insubordination and failure to follow orders. Your first offense can be punishable by article 15 resulting in a loss of pay and confinement, second offense can result in court martial and prison time.
I would be willing to forget this instance providing you apologize, follow your orders and give me your assurance this won’t happen again. I will not tolerate insubordination under any circumstances. The problem with young people today is they don’t think there’s consequences for their actions.

When I served in the mid to late 1970’s, I, and or we did what ever order or task that was given, without question.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2024 3:50 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 15:50:43 -0400

Smoke the entire squad excluding him, let nature sort it out.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Oct 23 at 2024 4:03 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:03:37 -0400

A Specialist in@my unit did this once to a junior E-5. The Specialist went to the prison at Manheim for several months and came back to us as an E-1 with a completely different attitude.

Response by SPC David C. made Oct 23 at 2024 4:15 PM

SPC David C. — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:15:38 -0400

Tree line, right then and there.
Writing someone's name on the naughty list doesn't motivate them to do anything if they don't care. You gotta crush that behavior fast or everyone else in the platoon will start treating you like a punk.

Response by MSgt Veronica Cook made Oct 23 at 2024 4:23 PM

MSgt Veronica Cook — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:23:21 -0400

Look, the young are so disrespectful, and then get sensitive. There are rules and laws in the military. If it continues, start a paper trail, and if that doesn't work,let the senior members handle it.don't just threaten the consequences of their actions, show them. Be the leader the rest of your people need and want.

We had to adjust and if something isn't done, then they become a detriment to morale,and maybe even in the field

Response by SPC Paul Eiden made Oct 23 at 2024 4:42 PM

SPC Paul Eiden — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:42:42 -0400

In my time there never was a doubt that someone would not react to a command. Disrespect has no room in the military!!!!

Response by COL Ray Arment made Oct 23 at 2024 4:45 PM

COL Ray Arment — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:45:36 -0400

Straight up E-2 or former E-6?

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Oct 23 at 2024 4:48 PM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:48:34 -0400

I recently spoke with a medically retired E5 who was injured in Iraq and he told me horror stories of Enlisted folks showing their "Stress Card" which denies you of interacting with them for 30minutes. I had BCT in 1971 and the DI's didn't have any problem maintaining discipline. If you were having a hard time adjusting, you were put in a special training platoon that gave you a lot of attention. But they produced some good soldiers. We had some physical punishments such as extra PT or uncomfortable physical situations, Article 15's and deprivation of pay. You could be arrested by the MP's for significant insubordination. We have coddled our youth so much and expected so little of them that we are getting the harvest of the seeds we have sown. Compassionate discipline without accepting whining and crying as excuses is what we need to get back to. When I first started Basic I thought the DI's sure were assholes, but after a couple of weeks I discovered that they had all been to Vietnam and had lost friends and comrades there. They were determined that they would loose noone else on their watch if they could help it. My attitude changed with thjat epiphany. Discipline saves lives literally.

Response by SSG Bob Robertson made Oct 23 at 2024 8:50 PM

SSG Bob Robertson — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 20:50:43 -0400

Get all the E-5s in the platoon and take way out in the woods and "have a attitude adjustment party".

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Oct 24 at 2024 12:05 AM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 00:05:22 -0400

This E2's assignment for the day would be explaining his actions to the 1st Sgt and the C.O. while I busied myself adding pages to his SRB for his Article 15 hearing.

(and this is just because they'd probably wanna bust me if I smoked the turd)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2024 5:58 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 05:58:33 -0400

I only have one comment: I'm glad I didn't have to spend my 26 years in "today's military". Too much bullshit for my taste, as I believe in following legal orders first and directly, and asking questions later if mission permits. Oh, I will add that AR15's should be a last resort IMO. Too much time spent on attitude alignment through channels/on paper can cost lives in a pinch.

Response by SGT Lorenzo Nieto made Oct 24 at 2024 7:18 AM

SGT Lorenzo Nieto — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:18:42 -0400

In my day you would be dead meat,no mercy.now you have to feel for their feelings.you enlisted to defend this country not to cry when things don’t go your way.

Response by SSG Ed Mc made Oct 24 at 2024 7:59 AM

SSG Ed Mc — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:59:52 -0400

punch him square in the jaw.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2024 8:27 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 08:27:20 -0400

not in my Army back in the day we done it another way, . he would have some wall to wall counseling , I don't know how they do it these days I got out in 1999. The first time he tells me to shove it I will do that very thing I will shove my foot so far up his ass he will see stars for days.

Response by SPC Ray Rigsby made Oct 24 at 2024 10:25 AM

SPC Ray Rigsby — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 10:25:56 -0400

Immediate article 15, and if it happened again, dishonorable discharge! When I served that was the result of disrespecting a superior officer no matter the rank! That kind of nonsense in combat can get people killed!

Response by SGT Jim Giffin made Oct 24 at 2024 11:20 AM

SGT Jim Giffin — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:20:53 -0400

Burpees until they puke and then have them do the task

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made Nov 5 at 2024 3:10 PM

SSG Douglas Shaffer — Tue, 05 Nov 2024 15:10:59 -0500

Like a "Ball of Fire!" first, he would be doing pushup until he moved the base to a more pleasant area. Then there is remedial training/extra training, that can be conducted on off duty time so long as an NCO is present and conducting this in the area of their failure, and you can do this for as many days as you wish. You are allowed to do this under the regulations that gives you the power to do so.
The training has to be with in the area of the infraction. Like out to address a superior and how to conduct the task they are assigned like mopping the hall. Then repeat the training how to address an superior and carry out the task they are assigned. you can repeat this as many times as you wish so long as an NCO you are present, and you are the one conducting the training.
This is what Real NCO's do. You don't hand out recommendations of ART-15s like tickets on the speedway. Your job is to train them in their short comings. When you do this, things in your squad or team start changing, the whole starts to work as a team, you have to train the people you get for these are the same people you're going to go into conflicts with. Plus, your command will have more respect for you. Because you are willing to take your time to train your people. So, I say, "Smoke their ASS!" like you are "The Fire Ball from Holy Hell!"
Remember You are an NCO and NCOs have no off duty time!

Response by SGT Gifford Allaire made Nov 24 at 2024 8:14 PM

SGT Gifford Allaire — Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:14:36 -0500

Wall to Wall counseling. That bullshit from an E 2 is completely unacceptable. He is not gonna have that shit fly

Response by SFC Wade Adams made Nov 25 at 2024 8:23 AM

SFC Wade Adams — Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:23:26 -0500

I have been a squad leader, a platoon sergeant, and a section sergeant. . To me , there’s only one way to handle this, I’m going to rip him/ her a new one. Today’s Army seems to be kinder and gentler,

Response by SFC Wade Adams made Nov 25 at 2024 8:56 AM

SFC Wade Adams — Mon, 25 Nov 2024 08:56:45 -0500

GySgt is right. The old saying goes, reward in public, reprimand in private. However, one of my big faults we’re letting it go at that moment. I’ve been in this situation before and I can tell you that I had an immediate response. There was no way me being a SFC and being talked to by an E-2 like that and I waited until nobody was around .

Response by CPO Donald Crisp made Nov 25 at 2024 9:35 PM

CPO Donald Crisp — Mon, 25 Nov 2024 21:35:24 -0500

You are an E-5, senior or not. You are an E-5 speaking to an E-2. If I were you, there would be 2 paths I would take. The first is EMI to get the E-2's attention. The second is placing the E-2 on report for blatent insubordination. There is no way this type of behavior can be tolerated. But there's something else I'd be concerned about. This dirtbag has been in less than a year and he mouths off to his/her E-5.
I'd have to look at the E-5 and their leadership skills and ability as well.

Response by SGM Ronald Russ made Dec 19 at 2024 1:23 PM

SGM Ronald Russ — Thu, 19 Dec 2024 13:23:26 -0500

I’m not trying to criticize anyone because everyone has different leadership styles. One technique would be to immediately put that individual into a thinking position…elevated push-ups, mountain climbers, burpees, etc choices are endless. You do this to regain control of the situation, because when he tells you no in front of everyone you have evidently lost control. While he is busy thinking you continue with your information dump. Once complete you release everyone but him then you take him off to the side along with his team leader and explain the consequences of being insubordinate. I have found throughout my career that a good stern corrective talking and some physical coaching goes along ways. If that doesn’t work they sure hate to loose their personal time and money… that requires constant and repetitive counseling. I know things have changed since my time you have to figure out what works best for you. But I can tell you if you wait one minute to correct it you just lost respect of others as well. Good luck. My recommendation nip it in the bud immediately with a swift corrective action. It shows you will not tolerate it. That’s why you talk to him afterwards it shows empathy and understanding.

Response by PO3 John Priest made Feb 19 at 2025 7:46 AM

PO3 John Priest — Wed, 19 Feb 2025 07:46:25 -0500

Oh, I was hoping this would be a senior E-5 (though Senior E-4 would equally count...)!

First response would be, "Excuse me?" followed by "Did I hear you correctly, Seaman Apprentice?", followed by "Ok, no problem, Let's go see what Petty Officer First Class/Workcenter Supervisor has to say after we're done here. Perhaps a private chat is in order about your problem with my orders."

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Mar 17 at 2025 10:37 AM

CWO4 Carter Owens — Mon, 17 Mar 2025 10:37:06 -0400

Well...... in today's Military I wouldn't be surprised that would happen. Not at all. My last few years Active Duty we joked in the Wardroom that "We" must adopt to them via "Them" adopting to Us. And only once when I was a W4 a E-9 smarted off to me and I took care of that shit real quick.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Mar 19 at 2025 2:59 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Wed, 19 Mar 2025 14:59:00 -0400

RU kidding me.... I would make sure that Seaman X would remember that day for the rest of his life.

Response by SGT Daniel Myers made Mar 20 at 2025 1:47 PM

SGT Daniel Myers — Thu, 20 Mar 2025 13:47:03 -0400

I was an E-5 during my deployment in Vietnam and the people I worked with for the most part were highly trained professionals of the same rank as myself.

Prior to this however, we didn't have time for momma boy, lolly gagers that wanted to disrupt the flow of things for everyone else.

Was there corporal punishment? You bet! You either got with the program or you got out of my beloved Army. Lives depended on what we were doing and I had no patience for insubordination of any kind.

Response by SFC Bruce Pettengill made Jun 2 at 2025 8:58 PM

SFC Bruce Pettengill — Mon, 02 Jun 2025 20:58:13 -0400

If you’re the first line supervisor, have a conversation with your squad leader and discuss the situation. Seeking assistance from your chain of command helps you grow at the same time of the soldier.
What was the source of this soldier’s rank to E2 Was it awarded to him prior to BCT?
The outburst needs to be addressed, a counseling at a minimum. It’s also an opportunity to see his reasons. Has the assignment been given over and over has he had conversations with you about why? Is the assignment busy work or mission critical?
Lastly how his other responsibilities? Is his room, bunk, uniform, PT scores in line? Does he have an E4 or E3 punishing or smoking him. Is He looking for a failure to adapt or just wants to get out?
Remember or understand the leadership principles of praise, correct, praise, remind him of your open door to discuss offer to destroy counseling form if he has not other outburst in 6 months or so.

Response by 1SG Marcus Whitfield made Jun 6 at 2025 8:04 PM

1SG Marcus Whitfield — Fri, 06 Jun 2025 20:04:41 -0400

In front of God and Laudy Doddy and everybody I have him in the front leaning rest position and stay there till I’m done with my formation then dismiss every one except Pvt tent peg, then I would get down in his face while he is doing push ups , and tell him in no uncertain terms that he is a POS ( no one hears that but him) then I would get up and tell him to go to the start position and hold it, I would have a phone conversation with a friend then tell him to start pushing till I am tired,,,, he will be down their for a good 30 minutes before I have him recover, then I would lean into him and tell him “ am I hurting you “? No Solider I am conditing your mind and body to help you pass your APFT, now yell that back to me,,,, “ Thank you 1SG for conditioning my mind and my body”,,,,,,,,, DISMISSED