Posted on Oct 16, 2016
CPO Officer Candidate
1.62M
14K
4.85K
1.2K
1.2K
0
08a24fcb
Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
Avatar_feed
Responses: 3339
GySgt Kenneth Pepper
2.8K
2.8K
0
It must be nipped in the bud quickly and without hesitation. Having had a few minutes to think about it, here goes....
PFC Shitbird and his team leader stand fast. All others fall out and carry on.

Have PFC Dipshit stand by while I ensure his team leader knows what my expectations are; "Instant obedience to lawful orders. Period. Any other answer is unacceptable. The fact that PFC Dipshit thinks it is okay to open his trap is a direct reflection of your leadership. Take a look at how you are leading and determine how this could happen."

To PFC Dipshit; "If you have decided to end your time in the military you have chosen a sure-fire method. If you do not comply with lawful orders, it will eventually end with you on a bus headed for home. But only after spending the next few weeks/months becoming the example of what not to do. If that is what you want, we will go there. If not, get your ass moving on what you were ordered to do."
(2.8K)
Comment
(0)
SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman
SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman
20 d
If the PFC wishes to get into a power struggle with you, then simply take him aside and remind him that the CO is prepared to issue an Article 13, or even a courts martial, for refusing to follow orders of an NCO and that will (1) limit his future in the military (ie promotions), (2) cost him $$$. (3) confine him to quarters. (4) deny him leave, etc, etc. In the end, he will wind up doing the job...and many other disgusting jobs. On the other hand, sending the entire platoon into the dipsy dumpster with tooth brushes and brasso has the affect of charging up peer pressure
(2)
Reply
(0)
SPC Jeff Ward
SPC Jeff Ward
17 d
Smoke him ‘til he almost dead.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SSG Disabled Veteran
SSG (Join to see)
17 d
SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman - threatening is not leadership. He is trying to get attention and be in charge. Separate him from his audience but within view. Stand him at attention and leave him there.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SPC Bernard Palmer
SPC Bernard Palmer
16 d
‘nough said.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small
CPL(P) Tech Ops Fleet Management
1.6K
1.6K
2
Edited >1 y ago
Praise in public, punish in private. "You stand fast after formation." Give him a chance to explain insubordination. Mandatory counseling. If he is defiant in private after getting the chance then burn him. ART15. Sometimes people are defiant because something happened and they feel out of control so they try to take it wherever they can no matter how inappropriate. Sometimes a wife cheated or a parent died. Sometimes the hospital calls and congratulates you on having cancer. To outright burn a Joe without gathering the facts is irresponsible and we would want someone breathing down our neck to take that extra moment to consider what might be going on too. If it's nothing more than attitude and a shitty personality then by all means light that dead Christmas tree and know you probably saved lives downrange.
(1.6K)
Comment
(2)
SPC Curtis Underwood
SPC Curtis Underwood
1 mo
SSG Bill McCoy - Sorry misunderstood the comment.
(1)
Reply
(0)
SSG Bill McCoy
SSG Bill McCoy
1 mo
SPC Curtis Underwood - Happens a lot; especially when the discussion thread is as long as this one.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SSG Small Arms/Artillery Repairer
SSG (Join to see)
9 d
SSG (Join to see) I'm not disagreeing except the counseling would be to document the extra duty. A PV2 is not going to suffer over that, but you need the paperwork so that if the behavior does not improve you have documentation of trying to handle the situation at the lowest level, and you can say it didn't work. If you don't document it the commander has to ask what steps did you take? The next question, where is the documentation? The next statement, sorry I don't know what's going on, dismissed
(0)
Reply
(0)
PV2 Glen Lewis
PV2 Glen Lewis
22 h
The sergeants I had would've had you doing one handed push ups until you got on the bus for home. You'd get your praise then on how fast you got the hell out of there. Private giving a battle hardened sergeant lip; give me a break.
(0)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small
PO1 David Gibbens
1.4K
1.4K
0
I can speak from experience on this one. On my first boat( yes I'm a submariner) as an E3 I was made Deck Div LPO, AKA Leading Seaman. While passing out the day's job assignments, I was told "f@#k no" by one of the new seaman. I was shocked to say the least. I went to the 1st LT, a TMCS, and informed him of my situation. He told me in no uncertain terms to take said individual to the back of the work barge and show him the error of his ways. I did so, physically. The young man never questioned me again.
Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me give you my opinion on this matter. This was the late '70s. We were still in the Viet Nam mind set. However; when did the military go from being a gung ho military organization to a job? "Ask him what's wrong". Really?! When you're at 400ft and there's a fire in the Torpedo Room, or you're someplace where people are shooting at you are you really going to take no as an answer?? Or are you going to kick him in his ass, and get him motivated to move in the right direction? I spent 20 years in the Submarine Force and I've seen people come and go. And the ones that went were sent haze gray and underway on surface ships. Which, BTW, was the same as failing. Next time someone tells a senior NCO he doesn't want to do something, point out that the contract he signed doesn't say anything about liking it. He (or she) doesn't have to like it. They just have to do it. STS1(SS) USN, Ret
(1.4K)
Comment
(0)
PO2 Evan Pruss
PO2 Evan Pruss
3 mo
LCDR (Join to see)
This guy gets it. A ton of responses in here are embarrassing.
(2)
Reply
(0)
SSG Derek Dimond
SSG Derek Dimond
3 mo
My initial thought, was to smoke the shit out of the private; yelling in his face as he beat his face. Retired NCO, that I am and it is good thing I don't do my first thoughts. Being engaged with this type soldier several times as a leader. If he is out of control or undisciplined he needs to be handle. My least favorite thing was punishing soldiers. I would and I was always nice until the line was crossed. I still be nice as I would type up counseling to give to SGM or 1sg Depending on offense. If the soldier is a shit bird let his record i.e.. monthly counseling statements and/or negative counseling speak for themselves. To do things the right way tends to be time consuming and is much more effective. I always did counseling negative and positive. Soldier deserves to know where they are standing in grace with their leaders or against. Amazing what understanding does and not being right about things allowing speak to be free flowing. Its also about respect and dignity. It has to flow both ways depending on circumstances.
(0)
Reply
(0)
SPC Lee Taylor
SPC Lee Taylor
2 mo
SSG(P) D. Wright Downs - WELL KID. U have NEVER been through what I have. U EARN real respect. And idiots like u would just get the min. done with ZERO respect.
My dad told all 5 of his boys that there were people that didn't make it home from Nam. And it was for being a dick which is what u are.
I give rank respect and I give true respect and believe me u want TRUE respect over JUST rank respect. And because in what I was put into in my time in and what I have done in the civilian world I got top pay raises everywhere I went and had people coming to me for answers. And a B**** like u would have had others to deal with above ur and it would not have bothered me one bit and I DID make that happen to an Idiot like u
(0)
Reply
(0)
PO2 Roland Lemus
PO2 Roland Lemus
1 mo
PO1 David Swift - I got in 1982, and my first encounter with my PO2 I was a seaman a the time, was, if you do something stupid in our group, I will punch, hard, if you it again, I will put you on the ground, do you understand? I was like, yep!! lol, we became friends later, but he was serious, and during my enlistment, all the rules changed.
(1)
Reply
(0)
Avatar_small

Join nearly 2 million former and current members of the US military, just like you.

close