Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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First, Seek To Understand what he's really saying, Then Be Understood"(Stephen R. Covey -7 Habits Of Highly Successful People). This enables you to really understand what's going on, was he bullied or raped, are you mismanaging resources. Be a Principle -Centered Leader (Another Outstanding Stephen R. Covey best practice). "It's not my way or your way...it's what is the best way". Remember, Respect is Earned!
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I would have him stand fast as the rest of the platoon is released to cover their duties.
When we were alone, I would give him the assignment again. If he accepts it or not, the next step is to the orderly room to discuss following orders, with the 1SG. Afterwards, discuss with the 1SG and CO about ART-15, extra duty etc. Make a believer out of him quick.
When we were alone, I would give him the assignment again. If he accepts it or not, the next step is to the orderly room to discuss following orders, with the 1SG. Afterwards, discuss with the 1SG and CO about ART-15, extra duty etc. Make a believer out of him quick.
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Wall to wall counseling and some extra duty with the team leader supervising should clear that up. Document it all and save it for the next time if there is one. UCMJ should be justified and the reasoning provable. Be sure you have a sworn statement from the team leader and a few others for good measure.
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Better yet put him in a comfy chair and keep the formation at attention. Let him know in no uncertain terms he is letting his brother and sisters in arms down. His family their families etc. Put him on that assignment that he "doesn't like" until further notice till he learns humility. If he doesn't get out of that chair rapidly and snap to and do the job something tells me his peers will deal with him accordingly.
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Offer him the option to be chaptered or comply explain it will ruin his life because his pansy ass probably talked to his own parents that let it go. Let them know your not mommy and daddy and your not gonna take his punk ass defiance. Give him an offer he can't refuse flipping burgers or serving out what he said he would do when he signed. If this kid has no honor let him know in no uncertain terms he isn't wanted amongst real soldiers. Hand him a Mcdonalds, burger king and KFC application and tell him to choose.
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say nata until after formation then get them to the side and explain, that stuff will not be tolerated and please don't do that again if it happens again your looking at least at ar/t 15 at best, and then get after making the world a better place
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This one's on me. You get one chance, and you've used it. Everything from here on will be official and permanent. Wanna lose any chance of ever advancing? Do it again.
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A morning of secluded front-leaning-rest usually instills a proper perspective in these fools. I had one who actually tried to get physical with me. (The old bent finger works great) After that the LT and the MPs took over.
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I had a situation where the son of an E-9 was in my unit. The E-2 was caught turning donuts with his car in the base parade ground. Before any action was taken, his dad (the E-9) called to plead for a second chance for his son - which was granted (how often does one get a call from an E-9?). A month later, the E-2 had another "significant issue" and I received a second call from his dad. After a short discussion, the E-2 became a civilian. His dad understood my position but felt compelled to give it a shot. In many cases, it's difficult to determine the right course of action. In others, it's pretty clear...
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With calm self assurance everyone must know that this private is going to regret those words. Develop a history of good leadership and these instances usually occur with only the usual troubled soldier.
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insubordination is a UCMJ offense punishable by an Article 15. With a group of you arrogant military personnel; at times you have to hang a Crow on the Fence to curtail total loss of control. Action not necessarily agains the individual but against the specific circumstance. Comman d and control must be maintained!
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I Tell Him to get His team leader or Third class / E-4 and have them come to my office, in 45 min, I would pill his jacket, to see if he has a history of being Disrespectfully to his senior personal, if not, when he comes into my Office, I would ask him what is going on in his personal life? did he have a fight with the wife? Girlfriend ? is there a family Issue? if he is having these family Problems, I would explain to him not following orders, and going off and disrespecting a senior personal, is not going to make things better, that the service has a system in place to help him. but he should not lash out, he should come talk to his supervisors, for help, and guidance.
if he is just a problem Child , and he wants special attention, well he has come to the right person, I have now just become his personal mentor, with the E-4 as my witness I Have just Give him His 1st verbal warning, and I am Informing him that me and the E-4 that is Present, will continues to make sure he improves his situation, that he is to be on time every day, in work uniform and ready for inspection, his Uniform and everyone in the squad, shall be ready, my department will be Volunteering for every extra cleaning detail, until his Attitude Changes . me and him will be working together as much as possible, I do not mind staying late to mentor a shipmate or fellow Solder, Especially if it might save his life one day.
Pride starts with the Uniform and Knowing your Service History, make sure he is SQUARED AWAY EVERY SINGLE DAY, Give him a homework Assignment, make him look up his service history.
if you have any Service members that served in combat or was wounded in combat, make him do a meet and greet of your senior command on your base, make him interduce himself , and tell them why he is introducing himself , to learn respect!
if he is just a problem Child , and he wants special attention, well he has come to the right person, I have now just become his personal mentor, with the E-4 as my witness I Have just Give him His 1st verbal warning, and I am Informing him that me and the E-4 that is Present, will continues to make sure he improves his situation, that he is to be on time every day, in work uniform and ready for inspection, his Uniform and everyone in the squad, shall be ready, my department will be Volunteering for every extra cleaning detail, until his Attitude Changes . me and him will be working together as much as possible, I do not mind staying late to mentor a shipmate or fellow Solder, Especially if it might save his life one day.
Pride starts with the Uniform and Knowing your Service History, make sure he is SQUARED AWAY EVERY SINGLE DAY, Give him a homework Assignment, make him look up his service history.
if you have any Service members that served in combat or was wounded in combat, make him do a meet and greet of your senior command on your base, make him interduce himself , and tell them why he is introducing himself , to learn respect!
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Pull aside. Why the smart mouth? If he apologizes great. Never mouth off again.
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Some corrective action need to be done immediatlely, in private, either physically or administratively.
Although this sounds like the NCO and the fresh E2 became buddies. I believe the PSG should do a little shuffling of the teams as leaders and subordinates can not be friends. What do I know though... I was in leadership positions for 21 of my 25 years.
Although this sounds like the NCO and the fresh E2 became buddies. I believe the PSG should do a little shuffling of the teams as leaders and subordinates can not be friends. What do I know though... I was in leadership positions for 21 of my 25 years.
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Apologize for you outrageous conduct. Beg the privates forgiveness. Offer to buy him lunch if he doesn’t file a complaint and ruin your career.... then bury the little bastards body where they won’t find it and say he went AWOL
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