I am an 11B SSG entering ROTC. What recommendations do you have as far as interaction with cadre and fellow cadets? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> Tue, 02 Aug 2016 16:58:26 -0400 I am an 11B SSG entering ROTC. What recommendations do you have as far as interaction with cadre and fellow cadets? https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 16:58:26 -0400 2016-08-02T16:58:26-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 5:01 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772165&urlhash=1772165 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Shoot me an email I am on global. I was a SSG 11b and went Green to Gold. I spent two years with cadets and cadre. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:01:25 -0400 2016-08-02T17:01:25-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 5:03 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772170&urlhash=1772170 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Cadet land is nothing like the active force. So use you knowledge gained as an NCO but be prepared to play the games, if you go to any training as a cadet you will be treated as such. As for interaction with cadre, that will be dependent on the ROTC unit. Mine was mostly officers so I interacted with them as I would at any other unit. CPT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:03:06 -0400 2016-08-02T17:03:06-04:00 Response by 1SG Jacob Baty made Aug 2 at 2016 5:04 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772175&urlhash=1772175 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am a Cadre member at a University. The biggest problem I have had with prior service is that they think cadets are their privates and treat them like idiots. <br />You must understand they are college students first and cadets second. <br />Share your knowledge in a humble way. Do not talk down to them. <br />As for dealing with cadre use your expertise to help them mentor and guide cadets. <br />Bottom line be humble. 1SG Jacob Baty Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:04:28 -0400 2016-08-02T17:04:28-04:00 Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 5:06 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772180&urlhash=1772180 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My experiences certainly aren't Army-specific, but I'd advise you not to take the holier-than-thou approach, and not be afraid to possibly learn from some cadets. You're going to know the answer or the right path far more often than they are, but they can still teach you valuable things from time to time, and humility is the first of those. Don't discount them for having not been active yet; give them high expectations and they'll surprise you with their abilities and intellect. <br /><br />Congratulations and good luck! LCDR Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:06:05 -0400 2016-08-02T17:06:05-04:00 Response by COL Lee Flemming made Aug 2 at 2016 5:08 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772192&urlhash=1772192 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Know your regulations and do not shoot from the hip. Work with the established structure. Realize that you are a student first and do not be afraid to become part of the university and ROTC community. You will be a peer leader from the start; do not take advantage of your trusted status. Have fun! COL Lee Flemming Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:08:27 -0400 2016-08-02T17:08:27-04:00 Response by COL John McClellan made Aug 2 at 2016 5:16 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772214&urlhash=1772214 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You will be an enormous asset to the program! As a PMS, I always asked prior service Soldiers to set the example and help inexperienced Cadets to understand the Army and our values. Recognize that most of your fellow Cadets don&#39;t have your experience and skills - so, be patient with them and help them when you can with your &quot;inside dope&quot; on how a sqd/plt functions. COL John McClellan Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:16:50 -0400 2016-08-02T17:16:50-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 5:19 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772221&urlhash=1772221 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My opinion looking back: Share your institutional knowledge with fellow cadets, don't bother preaching with the one or two unreceptive peers, don't judge them too harshly since they're mostly starting at ground zero. At the same time let them know what you would expect from a PL. My ROTC Instructors were stalwart but they all have really different occupational experience, so I'd learn their backgrounds and learn what you can from them, normal customs and courtesies apply (student-instructor Etc). CPT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:19:29 -0400 2016-08-02T17:19:29-04:00 Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 5:37 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772275&urlhash=1772275 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The most important thing to remember going into ROTC from Active duty or even national guard is that most people are coming in from square one and are going to lack in some areas. They tend to look to the prior service guys for some guidance. 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:37:46 -0400 2016-08-02T17:37:46-04:00 Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 5:39 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772278&urlhash=1772278 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Another key thing to keep in mind is that it probably won't be very similar to the way you are used to it being an infantryman. 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:39:17 -0400 2016-08-02T17:39:17-04:00 Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 8:05 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1772670&urlhash=1772670 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It&#39;s an opportunity to discover ones own failings... This was my own personal experience. I was an active duty SGT/E5 in a Ranger Bn when I ETS and entered the ROTC world - t was a culture shock and I failed miserably at first. Why?... Because as Enlisted Soldiers we assume too many things and think that everyone gets the same &quot;greening&quot; treatment and basic training. As an enlisted trainee we are honed to be worker bees from the day we set foot in basic. As a Cadets we&#39;re trained to lead... a very different skill set than true basic tng. As a result, cadets see the world differently. We making that transition must adapt to that world very quickly or will fail... COL Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 20:05:19 -0400 2016-08-02T20:05:19-04:00 Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 10:10 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1773065&urlhash=1773065 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My recommendation? Don't. Don't go the ROTC route. I'd recommend OCS. You'll actually be around peers that way. With ROTC, you're around kids that still are trying to figure things out. There's a weird mix of military regs thrown in with the whole "everyone needs to be encouraged" crap. If I had it to do over, I'd have probably gone Warrant Officer. Otherwise, OCS. 2LT Private RallyPoint Member Tue, 02 Aug 2016 22:10:26 -0400 2016-08-02T22:10:26-04:00 Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Aug 2 at 2016 10:37 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1773157&urlhash=1773157 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was merely curious...I realize this might not seem to deal with your principal question, however, I was just wondering, what your major is going to be, if you might be able to say. I was army ROTC for 3 yrs before going USAF OTS thereafter instead, my school trained a good deal at West point, not all the time, however, fairly frequently. My ROTC unit no longer exists, it was disbanded sometime ago, I don't think we had any prior enlisted in the program while I was there, however, when I was USAF, on active, there were sevl enlisted trying for the AECP, the USAF enlisted to AFROTC mechanism I helped tutor slightly in engrg. That was why I was merely curious as to your major, I saw you'd mention intel, so I'm supposing you're going for a major germane to that, I'd expect. I'd expect also being an SSG, you've got a fair number of yrs in, certainly. When I was at USAF OTS, I freq had to deal with senior enlisted who were at the school also, far more experienced than I ever was at that point. I was often gauche and clumsy in my dealings, purely out of inexperience, obviously, you'd certainly be far more adept in such regards I'd expect. Had you done your Assoc beforehand? If so, also, in what major? Having been in as long as you likely were, I'd expect the ROTC faculty would likely have greater expectations of you, for that very reason, and while I expect what's said here is right that being a cadet is different than being on active, I'd also expect for that very reason you'd likely be viewed to some extent as almost a peer in terms of sheer seniority. In that regard, certainly, you'd be, I think, most fortunate, I know that prior enlisted when I was at USAF OTS had a far easier time adjusting, and generally knew what was expected, and how to help, whereas I just quite honestly didn't at that point, more often than not. I hope that's of at least some use, I'd be most eager for your thoughts whenever convenient, many thanks. Capt Daniel Goodman Tue, 02 Aug 2016 22:37:27 -0400 2016-08-02T22:37:27-04:00 Response by LTC Sonya Friday made Aug 2 at 2016 11:33 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1773325&urlhash=1773325 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I taught ROTC for 3 years and our prior service guys always did better that our normal cadets. I would say just go in there be a student listen and learn. There will be times that your expertise will be needed. Remember these are truly college kids who have no idea of what it really means to be a Soldier. Just don&#39;t come across as a know it all and be willing to help your fellow classmates. Remember you are still in college so your grades will be important especially with your ROTC buds. Please allow yourself to have fun and enjoy your time, you&#39;ve earned it so go and be the best college student you can be. You will learn a lot and teach them a lot as well. LTC Sonya Friday Tue, 02 Aug 2016 23:33:01 -0400 2016-08-02T23:33:01-04:00 Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Aug 2 at 2016 11:47 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1773366&urlhash=1773366 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="2244" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/2244-11b-infantryman-725th-bsb-4th-bct-25th-id">1LT Private RallyPoint Member</a> Congratulations! You have/are doing well, please continue to do so as you enjoy college! CSM Charles Hayden Tue, 02 Aug 2016 23:47:08 -0400 2016-08-02T23:47:08-04:00 Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2016 1:16 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1773516&urlhash=1773516 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was an 0311 Sergeant (USMC Rifleman) when I entered Army ROTC (at age 29). The biggest challenge I had was to stop seeing myself as an NCO (and a Marine) and start viewing myself/behaving like a Cadet (and later an officer). <br /><br />If I could go back, I'd be more humble and open to learning than I was. LTC Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 03 Aug 2016 01:16:26 -0400 2016-08-03T01:16:26-04:00 Response by SPC Duncan Koebrich made Aug 3 at 2016 2:29 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1773593&urlhash=1773593 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Whether you are starting as an MS1 or MS3, you are an a position to model what is required to allow for a senior cadet in a leadership position to learn from the outcomes of his and her decision making processes. So, if a given action is going to result in success, allow the process to unfold towards the positive outcome, while if a cadet in a leadership position is about to make a mistake, allow for the failure. Of course, as a SSG, you will already understand this procedure. Cadets without prior service may have a competitive instinct that, as MSG Baty recommended with being sensitive to what they don't know from experience, feels threatened by your having "real" bells and whistles compared to their own decorations. If you go into the program anticipating this from your peers, you may be able to help their ability to better prioritize the value of a teamwork mentality whereby the strengths of an individual are applied where most efficient, and not a threat to one's own esteem. Your professors and cadre will see your potential based off of your capacity to be an army leader, I only offer my opinions for the sake of that which you have to offer to the other cadets.<br /><br /> Good luck with the millennials, I think they'll enjoy your not having much bullshit to offer. SPC Duncan Koebrich Wed, 03 Aug 2016 02:29:36 -0400 2016-08-03T02:29:36-04:00 Response by MAJ Vance Fleming made Aug 3 at 2016 8:55 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1774035&urlhash=1774035 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The cadre will become your career/life long mentors and eventually (if you are looking fly) friends; however, they are at the university to train cadets to become officers. Listen and learn from them; ask for their advice and aid them in teach non-prior service cadets the basic soldiering skills. Other cadets, your peers, friends and possible people you will see throughout your career... Be their mentor and teacher, enjoy their company and keep them and yourself out of trouble. Cadet rank is to familiarize cadets with Army structure and command, so "wear it" when necessary but leave at ROTC activities. Someone else posted that the other cadets are not your privates; that is good advice! MAJ Vance Fleming Wed, 03 Aug 2016 08:55:59 -0400 2016-08-03T08:55:59-04:00 Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2016 9:19 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1774084&urlhash=1774084 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hey SSG! I want to do what you are doing through Green to Gold! I am also an 11B, about to PCS to my second duty station. Did you go through green to gold? SSG Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 03 Aug 2016 09:19:05 -0400 2016-08-03T09:19:05-04:00 Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Aug 3 at 2016 11:45 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1774585&urlhash=1774585 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was an active duty scholarship recipient, at that time, many of the other cadets were SMP which meant they were a SGT(E-5) within their units. In training we were all cadets, no difference in uniform, (cadet rank displayed, not enlisted)our relationship with each other (peers) or with the cadre (no fraternization allowed, you are in training). SSG Jeremy Sharp Wed, 03 Aug 2016 11:45:27 -0400 2016-08-03T11:45:27-04:00 Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2016 12:05 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1774644&urlhash=1774644 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The Army ROTC PMS is right down the hall from me, I'm the Professor of Aerospace Studies at Montana State University commanding the only AFROTC det in Montana. I think I have a unique perspective on this question as I'm also 6-years prior-enlisted and 18 years commissioned, through ROTC. As a prior-E cadet, I can tell you you'll hear some of the craziest stuff and hear some of the most mis-guided perspectives from HS graduates with no military experience... Here are my recommendations:<br />1) Leverage your prior enlisted time, but don't flaunt it - be humble and be a good listener and a good follower... good leaders must first be good followers.<br />2) Recognize the age and experience difference between you and your cadet counterparts and understand that they may have very different perspectives - don't automatically discount them, it's a chance for you to learn too.<br />3) Treat everyone with respect and consideration, check your SSG rank at the door when you put on the cadet rank and fall in-line with the cadet structure. Let your performance show your experience, not your words.<br />4) Always respect your NCOs, even if you disagree with them - never ever use your prior-E experience as credibility to make discrediting comments about the NCOs who serve in your ROTC detachment. <br />5) When it is your turn to lead, don't be afraid to share your active duty experiences with the cadets - but don't become the "I've done it all" guy... <br /><br />My recommendations are all focused on a change of mindset and integrating into the new team as a cadet and expanding your leadership skills to earn your commission. If you're humble and let your performance (rather than your words) reveal your experience - you'll gain a tremendous amount of respect from both your cadre and your cadets. Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:05:13 -0400 2016-08-03T12:05:13-04:00 Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2016 12:31 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1774728&urlhash=1774728 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SSG Giovannucci, As a former 11B SSG, I went through the ROTC program many years ago. I am glad to help another NCO making the transition. I was lucky that the school I attended had 10 other prior service ROTC cadets to share experiences and sometimes learn what not to do.<br /><br />First - Coming off Active Duty to a school environment will be a culture shock. You may not experience it the first week, but sometime in your first semester or even your second semester you may question why you there. Remember your reasons for going to ROTC and tough it out. <br /><br />Second - Your choice of degree may affect how much you can participate in other optional ROTC activities. This is a tough decision, but sometimes you need to make a choice as to what is most important. Unless you are really prepared, engineering, science, or difficult degrees will eat up much of your time with studying. If you don't put in the time studying, it may affect your degree which could affect your participation in ROTC. What's more important - ROTC or the actual degree? Unless you need a science or technology degree, it has been my experience that the actual degree doesn't matter in the military or civilian life. <br /><br />Third - Many others have echoed this message -- you don't know everything! Relax, you are not a newbie, but that doesn't mean there is not a lot to learn in ROTC. I had some of the best instructors, both enlisted and officer while in ROTC. When transitioning from being an NCO to Officer, it is very important to understand the WHY of decision making, not just the WHAT.<br /><br />Fourth - Again, Relax! The other cadets are learning just like you. Make the effort to be friendly and an active part of the ROTC program. Don't be aloof and unapproachable because you feel you are better than them. They are your team mates and your experiences can help make them successful. Share the knowledge when appropriate and don't take offense if they still 'don't get it.' <br /><br />Lastly, have FUN and don't take everything so seriously that you forget to enjoy your life! MAJ Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:31:41 -0400 2016-08-03T12:31:41-04:00 Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2016 12:32 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1774733&urlhash=1774733 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Be a humble professional. Try to lead as a peer not a superior. You'll gain the respect of almost everyone you encounter this way 2LT Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 03 Aug 2016 12:32:27 -0400 2016-08-03T12:32:27-04:00 Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2016 1:15 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1774942&urlhash=1774942 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The priors that lord their experience over others and walk around with a chip on their shoulder wind up spending 4 years getting mediocre grades, burning bridges they could use later, and going into a job they found that they no longer like. The good ones become friends for life. I saw it happen both ways a few times. My brother did ROTC and I did USMA. Congrats and kick ass in school! 2LT Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 03 Aug 2016 13:15:26 -0400 2016-08-03T13:15:26-04:00 Response by SFC Alfred Galloway made Aug 3 at 2016 3:46 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1775486&urlhash=1775486 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Even after you Graduate SSG Giovannucci, don't walk into the new unit as a know it all, be humble, respect the culture, respect your enlisted, especially if you go back into your old branch. Listen to the plt sgt's advice, as you were placed with that plt sgt for training. Lastly, enjoy your ROTC years, once they are over, they are truly over. <br /><br />As an asside, our company had a ROTC prior service E-5 who came back to branch, he failed miserably because he knew more due to his prior service than the rest of us, while rubbing our noses in it. He failed on his own merits not what we did nor didn't do as enlisted, but his ego was sky high. I hope hes doing well as a civvie now, yet another 2lt who came to our unit listened and learned while being a 2lt, and is now a Full Bull. Two ends of the same spectrum. SFC Alfred Galloway Wed, 03 Aug 2016 15:46:38 -0400 2016-08-03T15:46:38-04:00 Response by LTC Matthew Robinson made Aug 3 at 2016 10:44 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1776637&urlhash=1776637 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was a prior service SGT when I entered ROTC. It was a a shock at first, more student-life shock than ROTC shock. I would recommend that you avoid the "there-I-was" tendency. Share your knowledge and experience as needed. When assigned a leadership role, lead. When serving as a follower, follow. Let others find their way. They will be intimidated by your experience, do not lord it over them. During my senior year I served as the XO of the corps of cadets, a time I enjoyed. You will be a great asset to the program. It took me a while, about three years into commissioned service, to get used to being around officers, yet, my time as an enlisted soldier and NCO served me well throughout my entire career. Best of luck to you. LTC Matthew Robinson Wed, 03 Aug 2016 22:44:20 -0400 2016-08-03T22:44:20-04:00 Response by COL Lee Flemming made Aug 4 at 2016 1:09 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1776901&urlhash=1776901 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Great post SSG Eric Giovannucci! I have really enjoyed reading the feedback and comments. You have a lot of great advice and direction -- I would add an offer of mentorship anytime you need a sounding board. Good luck! COL Lee Flemming Thu, 04 Aug 2016 01:09:47 -0400 2016-08-04T01:09:47-04:00 Response by Capt Michael Greene made Aug 4 at 2016 4:32 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1777058&urlhash=1777058 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>G+10, I was E-6 Navy entering AFROTC. Cadets will idolize you, so it will be difficult to be humble, but you must. Be very respectful the cadets who outrank you. Meet and exceed expectation in the same way they're supposed to, and don't call it a "lame game" because you've done bigger and tougher things. <br /><br />Don't act like you're special or an "insider" when you're dealing with the cadre. Just be reliable and professional.<br /><br />Act like you would expect a good officer to act. Most cadets are inexperienced compared to you, so don't lead them into too much drinking, cursing, and womanizing; many of them are idealists who will be very disappointed if you act outside of their expectations. and they'll rat you out. Date outside the corps. Remember that failing to get your commission is pretty much a million-dollar pension flushed down the latrine. So, keep your grades up.<br /><br />Finally, you might be more gung-ho than they are used to. They take a lot of time off, physically and mentally. Cadets are not dedicated 24/7 to answer the call of duty; their job is to get an education, stay out of trouble, and assimilate into the military officer culture slowly over several years.<br /><br />Good luck. It is really, really a lot of fun. Capt Michael Greene Thu, 04 Aug 2016 04:32:31 -0400 2016-08-04T04:32:31-04:00 Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2016 10:01 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1777590&urlhash=1777590 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The overwhelming response to my question, I have stopped numerous times throughout the days to read over these comments to put myself.jn the right mindset, to be successful. I want to thank k you all very much for your time and inspirational insight on how to tackle this assignment, which is showing to be one of the most h I Malinga, eye opening and challenging assignments thus far bit nonetheless the most rewarding. You have all helped me dearly and I will certainly be reaching out for further guidance, as this sire has yet again proved to be an amazing resource. <br /><br /><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="635592" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/635592-11b-infantryman-412th-ca-360th-ca-bde">SSG Private RallyPoint Member</a>,<br />I initially sign ed d up for the scholarship option and I highly advise you against it. I would like to talk to you about your qualifications, evaluations and accomplishments and if you have a strong packet you MUST submit for Active. If you do not get selected for that you can always submit a non scholarship option packet at any time. Im heading out for a run, when I get back I'll write your inbox and we can go over your packet, if you'd like. 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 04 Aug 2016 10:01:52 -0400 2016-08-04T10:01:52-04:00 Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2016 10:57 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1779994&urlhash=1779994 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As someone who may end up in an NROTC soon, I appreciate this post. Thank you, <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="2244" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/2244-11b-infantryman-725th-bsb-4th-bct-25th-id">1LT Private RallyPoint Member</a>. ENS Private RallyPoint Member Thu, 04 Aug 2016 22:57:06 -0400 2016-08-04T22:57:06-04:00 Response by CPT Al Picon made Aug 5 at 2016 8:15 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1782658&urlhash=1782658 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Be humble and have fun. CPT Al Picon Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:15:53 -0400 2016-08-05T20:15:53-04:00 Response by LTC Edward Pethan made Aug 8 at 2016 8:49 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1789457&urlhash=1789457 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a former PMS and a former Green to Gold candidate, my recommendation is to check your badges at the door. Use your experience and leadership to learn AND teach (constructively) to fellow Cadets and Cadre. Pick your University carefully. Some programs are great; others have no clue what they are doing. Message me if you want some more free advice. LTC Edward Pethan Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:49:00 -0400 2016-08-08T20:49:00-04:00 Response by MAJ David Wallace made Aug 12 at 2016 1:21 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1800562&urlhash=1800562 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'd talk with the Cadre and see if they can make use of your 11B skill set. As someone that's 'been there, done that' you will be an invaluable asset to your classmates. Try to answer their questions and explain the NCO/Officer relationship. A lot of new officers come into the Army with an uninformed view of this most critical of relationships and it has a telling affect on their first platoons. Don't be afraid to mentor the young and impressionable cadets you meet. As an infantry SSG, I'm sure you have seen plenty of good and bad leadership styles. Help them to become successful Soldiers and combat leaders. Don't be afraid to learn something from them as well. MAJ David Wallace Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:21:41 -0400 2016-08-12T13:21:41-04:00 Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2016 5:44 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1822806&urlhash=1822806 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>11B is Infantry, correct? <br /><br />I'm Air Force, and not a cadet anymore (I just haven't gotten around to updating my account), so things may have changed, but, in general, you can treat the other cadets as friends and peers - just like the other guys in your squad or platoon besides the PSG and maybe Squad Ldr, depending how rigid your unit was - before you were a squad leader/PSG. They'll likely respect you a lot more automatically for your prior service and particular MOS - fill the leadership role they'll want you for without forcing it. <br /><br />You probably know this, but don't buy them alcohol unless you're sure they are 21.<br /><br />Remember how most privates act scared of all officers and NCOs? I'd start off acting close to that with cadre - not scared, but super formal until you feel them out. Once they notice your age and previous experience, they'll probably loosen up around you and you can feel it out from there. <br /><br />AETC says that cadre and cadets can't be friends on facebook or hang out outside of work. <br /><br />I'd also imagine any of the cadre at your upcoming detachment would be more than happy to have a candid conversation with you about it, and the size of most ROTC units means you can feasibly even talk to the Col himself about it without any issue - just schedule it through his/her secretary first. One key topic to ask about would be if being prior-enlisted SSG vs still-enlisted guard/reserve SSG makes a difference. 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member Sat, 20 Aug 2016 17:44:32 -0400 2016-08-20T17:44:32-04:00 Response by Cadet SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2016 11:35 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1834489&urlhash=1834489 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I've been in ROTC with prior enlisted who I got along with great and some less so. Those I got along with were able to successfully take off their NCO hat in exchange for a Cadet hat. Share your knowledge, please please please but not in a "typical" NCO way. Especially for the MS1s, most of them are brand new to the military and many won't ever contract. Cadet SSG Private RallyPoint Member Wed, 24 Aug 2016 23:35:18 -0400 2016-08-24T23:35:18-04:00 Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Aug 25 at 2016 2:24 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1834670&urlhash=1834670 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Remember you are at a college with many 18-22 year olds. Regardless of your experience and rank, you will bring life skills that many of your new peers have no clue about. Do the ROTC program requirements and be an example and a good friend to your fellow Cadets. More importantly, focus on your studies. Get to know your Profs and participate in other than ROTC activities. Take time to learn what is beyond the Army and prep yourself for your second career. This means building networks and gaining some civilian experience through internships or coops. Most import, have fun. CPT Tom Monahan Thu, 25 Aug 2016 02:24:58 -0400 2016-08-25T02:24:58-04:00 Response by COL William Oseles made Aug 26 at 2016 9:00 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=1840289&urlhash=1840289 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I went from Enlisted to Commissioned and it was an interesting transition. Know the Cadre will be expecting more of you because of your prior service and experience. At the same time you will be learning a new way of thinking as you will end up being the one in charge. Be flexible.<br />I also went from Active Duty to Reserve Individual Mobilization Augmentee, so if you keep yourself open to learning new things and ways of doing them you will do well.<br />Just because that is the way we did it in my old unit is probably not the answer to be using. COL William Oseles Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:00:56 -0400 2016-08-26T21:00:56-04:00 Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2016 11:14 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=2188870&urlhash=2188870 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Have patience, patience, patience. Most of the cadets are coming in at 18 years old with zero military knowledge so they are going to make really basic stupid mistakes all the time. One thing I couldn&#39;t stand coming in as prior active is that the other cadets would be late a lot. That&#39;s something already ingrained in our core so we&#39;re good but most of them have never been to basic so they just haven&#39;t experienced anything yet. You&#39;re already going to know a lot of the information and definitely rock the tactics portion. You will definitely be a huge asset to the cadre. <br /><br />Good luck! CPT Private RallyPoint Member Sun, 25 Dec 2016 23:14:42 -0500 2016-12-25T23:14:42-05:00 Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2017 5:39 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=2832023&urlhash=2832023 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was in your exact spot not too many years ago. I was prior Marine Corps enlisted and had deployed 3 times. I originally took it because it was easy A&#39;s to boost my GPA. I ended up on the &quot;pot&quot; too long and had to contract or get out of the program. You will no doubt find many topics or lessons to be very elementary and will get board with them. Help teach them if you can. Or tutor other cadets that need help. Other topics may give you more trouble. For me,it was the OPORD because all I got usually was a WARNO, or less. My experience didn&#39;t help me with that at all. I helped with things like PMI field craft, patrolling, PT, etc. You will have both strengths and weaknesses. Ask for help where you need it, and offer help to those where you can. 1LT Private RallyPoint Member Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:39:57 -0400 2017-08-14T17:39:57-04:00 Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jul 9 at 2018 9:45 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=3778353&urlhash=3778353 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You were an SSG, now you are a cadet, remember that. Treat them like they are- remember that the cadre is in charge and will command, not you. The cadets are just like you, except you will have a great edge on them with experience. Don&#39;t lord it over them, and don&#39;t give that line about how you did it in the old days. Cooperate and graduate/commission. SGM Bill Frazer Mon, 09 Jul 2018 09:45:04 -0400 2018-07-09T09:45:04-04:00 Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 19 at 2019 4:35 PM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=4828453&urlhash=4828453 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Be a great example and mentor them. MAJ Ken Landgren Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:35:06 -0400 2019-07-19T16:35:06-04:00 Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Jul 20 at 2019 11:21 AM https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/i-am-an-11b-ssg-entering-rotc-what-recommendations-do-you-have-as-far-as-interaction-with-cadre-and-fellow-cadets?n=4830395&urlhash=4830395 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Be a good follower. You have infinitely more tactical experience than most of the Cadets you will be with so their plans will not be the best Share your knowledge if there is a better way to do something share it in a respectful way CPT Brad Wilson Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:21:26 -0400 2019-07-20T11:21:26-04:00 2016-08-02T16:58:26-04:00