I am coming close to my ETS and I have no idea if I want to stay in or get out. For those who have ETS'd how is it?

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I am coming close to my ETS and I have no idea if I want to stay in or get out. For those who have ETS'd how is it. I know lots of people that miss it. I'm not worried about a job on the outside, it's just when I think about getting out I can't imagine life without the military. I still have a year left so there is plenty of time left. I have just been thinking about this decision for the past year, and I only have a small time frame left to continue to think about it. I would just like input on those who have gotten out.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2015 7:31 AM

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Consider transitioning to the Army Reserve and becoming an instructor.

Response by LTC David Stender made Aug 30 at 2015 8:35 AM

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SGT Baker,
You are living an adventure most will never relate to. Don't transition unless you have a solid plan. That would include using your GI Bill to gain your college degree or going into a profession like law enforcement. Just understand that it is not the same. Do what you enjoy or what you could enjoy with the right training. Think about ROTC or the National Guard and you can always go back.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2015 10:18 AM

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Depending on your circumstances, ultimately this will be your choice. I left AD for personal reasons and joined the USAR. I missed AD, however, got to be in uniform frequently as I built my civilian career. USAR offers GREAT health care option vs. Civilian sector and many of the same opportunities as the AD. Ever thought about being a drill sergeant?. My unit has all of them for the USAR and we need good Soldiers!. I believe there is bonus $ for joining the USAR and going drill sergeant. Check with your retention team.

Either way, best of luck to you in your decision.

Response by SSG Timothy Miller made Aug 30 at 2015 12:24 PM

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Believe it or not, there IS LIFE after the militay....LOL. I missed it. What I missed was the friends I made. I did NOT miss the service in of itself. I missed the men/women I served with. It's a personal decision to ETS; it was for me anyway. The thing you will miss is NOT the military, but those who make up the military; the men/women who wear the same uniform. But, there is life after the service. It took me sev eral years to adjust (I had been in for over a decade-my entire adult life up to that point). But, I assessed how my career was going, the outlook as time went on and what I was gonna do. You will, at some ETS. Everyone does. Assess your life plans. It's usually best to start on those plans earlier than later. I got out, went to college, completed my degree. In hindsight, I should have gotten out several years before I did. However, I do have some great memories of those I served with. Unless you just want to stay, my advice, move on with your life. There is life after the service. And you will find, it's NOT the service branch you will miss, it's the other folks who wear the uniform that you'll miss.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Aug 30 at 2015 2:27 PM

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It's a loaded question SSG Private RallyPoint Member. You sound like me. I couldn't imagine life outside of the military. It was a perfect fit based on how I was raised, and my lack of roots. I loved to move, to start over every few years, and to give 100% at all times to leave our mark before starting all over again. Many people that got out did so out of frustration over the very things that helped us thrive. Some people transition seamlessly, some struggle. I have been out 5 years and spend all my time with you fine service members; safe to say I am still struggling. There is life after the military, however. A little prayer at this stage of the game never hurts. Prayers from Tucson.

Response by Sgt William Biggs made Aug 30 at 2015 3:47 PM

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It is weird. That is all I have to say. One day you carry a rifle and are doing the most bad-ass things on this planet, and the next . . . you have to be "normal". My suggestion is to find veteran groups to support yourself as you transition. There is a significant sense of isolation upon leaving. I never thought I would seek out veterans. I just wanted to be me. Problem is, we are all products of our environment. Now, I find veterans or they find me. We do great team-based work (effortlessly) and we advise our civilian counterparts. There is a light at the end of the tunnel and remember who will help carry you to fruition!

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Aug 30 at 2015 4:37 PM

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First off, SSG Private RallyPoint Member, you could easily get a job as a Police Officer.
Out here- I chose my own careers: photography and being a Soldiers' Angel. (As a Soldiers' Angel, online, I take care of Active Duty troops and Veterans.)
You could start your own business....as you are very intelligent and you work hard.
I can't tell you that civilian life is easy; because it's not. You have to buy/rent a place to stay (Pay for gas, electricity, water, etc.), find a job, buy food, buy toiletries, have a way to get around (such as a car, taxis, busses; etc.), make new friends, etc. And ASK FOR HELP. I would start off with those; if I were you. And things Should start to fall into place. A lot of things in life are automatic.
I've done my Godly best to help you; however, I may have missed thing(s).
Many prayers and good luck to you; Miranda.
-In Him, Margaret

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Aug 30 at 2015 8:14 PM

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It just depend on you sgt, some individual i know have alot of thing they miss and can't do when still in service, some can manage. So it just depend on you and your commiment.

Response by PO1 Cameron Rhyne made Aug 30 at 2015 10:41 PM

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If you enjoy what you do and like being in, stay. There are good reasons to stay and to go, and it really depends on what you want to do in life.

It's also hard to find a job you like to do. If you don't like what you're doing or it doesn't support you and your family, it's time to move on. However, if you're happy, stay.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Aug 31 at 2015 11:58 AM

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If your not sure and your ETS is coming up don't get out. I was like you with my first enlistment as a MudPuppy and was under 30 days before terminal leave was due to start. I reupped and reclassed (not the best thing, but damn sure wasn't the worst). Do an extension or reup for two so you have more time to finalize a decision. Nothings worse than getting out and finding that your plan wasn't correct, or you regret the decision. You didn't mention if you had a family or not, so if you do, talk to them. They're an integral part of the transition out or staying in. The GI bill is great, but remember you'll only get BAH for where you are, and it could be rather cheap. Also with it, if you decide to use online schooling rather than brick and mortar/hybrid classes, the BAH rate is cut in half. Learn about the FULL benefits of the GI Bill and not the rosy glossed over parts.
I see you're assigned to INSCOM. So you have a clearance. If you choose to say in, think about reclassing unless you're GTG as a MudPuppy (great MOS BTW) lol. If you choose to get out, USE THE CLEARANCE to your advantage. I know a few MP's that were assigned to INSCOM at Belvoir that got out and used it to their advantage. Just make sure it's current.

Response by SGT David T. made Aug 31 at 2015 12:03 PM

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I found that getting out was one of the hardest yet most gratifying things I could have done. In the short term I faced issues with a loss of identity because I knew who SGT Thomas was but didn't really know who David was. I also faced trouble finding employment in the short term due to my lack of education at the time. As a result I decided to go to college and earn my degree. I finished Bachelor's degree in 35 months from start to finish. Two months later I found employment with the Department of the Army as a civilian employee. That was five years ago and I am now six pay grades higher than I started. Many leaders will try and scare you about the civilian world but I would ignore them because honestly they have no idea what they are talking about. You should have heard the comments I got: "what are you gonna do work at McDonalds?"
The key to a successful transition is planning and realistic expectations. I had about $13K saved up which was barely enough to get started with. I also had some unrealistic expectations regarding employment. I figured my NCO experience would be good enough to find something. I was wrong. I was overqualified for the crappy jobs and under qualified for good ones, with nothing available in between. One of things to remember is a potential employer does not really care what you did before only what value you can provide them in the here and the now. Use your ability to be flexible, improvise, plan and execute and you will be fine.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Aug 31 at 2015 1:32 PM

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Best to ETS.

Response by SSG David Dickson made Aug 31 at 2015 1:55 PM

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For many of us, our time in the Service is like college, we come in get lots of life experience, and then move on to other life adventures. I retired recently, and it was a bit of a culture shock. There is a different mindset among the general non-military population. Not better, not worse, just different. If you are up to the challenges of paying for your own housing, medical insurance, and food, you'll be fine. The military is a great lifestyle, no doubt about it, with that said, it's going to end whether it's next year or when you retire as CSM 30 years from now. The world will not stop turning when you get out, and there is always the Guard/Reserve as a way to keep the Army in you life, even if it isn't every day.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Aug 31 at 2015 2:05 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member I have read some great comments to your question. Most enlisted personnel have been in this dilemma at least one time in their career. I made both decisions. I ETSd and was discharged from the USMC and then when Desert Shield / Desert Storm kicked off, I went to a USMC recruiter and was basically told no. Just prior to 9/11 I rejoined the Army National Guard and just after 9/11 returned to active duty for the remainder of my career. There were so many things I missed and felt were missing from my life without military service. The benefit package alone is enough to make you think twice. Between pay and benefits how do your opportunities outside the military stack up? If I were you, I would make a list of short term accomplishments and long term goals and then evaluate whether staying in the military or getting out better supports these objectives and goals. Lastly, this is a deeply personal decision we have all made. LTC David Stender has many great comments about transition to the USAR or Army National Guard and likewise, SSG Warren Swan has some great advice on staying in until the right and best decision can be made. It is a tough economy for finding stable as well as gainful employment, and if I were in your shows that would be a huge decision maker for me. Good luck and thank you for your service.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2015 4:13 PM

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The transition will be a difficult experience if you aren't already targeting jobs/careers you are interested in. There is also an enormous personal and emotional change to be adjusted to. A good network of people from both sides who can counsel, encourage and at times...give you an outlet to "get it out" will be invaluable. Best Wishes!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2015 6:17 PM

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SGT Baker,
It all depends. I left without any in, in the middle of the recession but I had a plan and stuck to it. For me it has been worth getting out. The Army for me if I had stayed in would be to deploy again and again.. I couldn't handle the loss of quality time in general. It comes down to what you value. Some people regret leaving the Army.. i know it was time for me, even if I reenlisted in the Reserves.

Response by SGT Scott Bell made Aug 31 at 2015 7:18 PM

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Stay in

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2015 8:14 AM

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When I ETS'd active duty 2 years ago, within 2 months I was back at the recruiters office trying to find a way back in. Civilian life just wasn't for me. Like any soldier I would complain and groan about life on active duty, but when I got out i got a whole new perspective, and a brutal reality check. What they tell you in ACAP is bull for the most part. Unless your MOS was commo, or you have a degree already, time as an enlisted soldier is essentially considered the same thing as working at McDonalds. My first job after ETS was Loomis Armored Car service doing armed security and filling ATMS. It payed 10.50 an hour and I worked 70-80 hours a week. It's not a bed of roses on the outside. I didn't meet with any real success or plan for life until i got completely away from my home town, and started school with a clean slate. Use that GI bill, go to school, and figure out this civilian thing from there.

Response by MSG Scott Swank made Sep 1 at 2015 8:51 AM

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I just transitioned from 27 years of Army life (21 full-time). There are AGR opportunities in all states with the Reserves and National Guard if you want to stay full-time but get back closer to home. I would advise you to do as LTC Stender suggested and get a plan and make it solid. The DOD has a website and transition course that I would suggest you check into. Just remember with all of the cut backs (even in the NG and Res) it might be hard to get back in if you leave your current position. Good luck Soldier!

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2015 11:50 AM

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If you don't want to be a police officer in the civilian world, consider going into the guard - not sure what state you are in but in Ohio we have 100% state tutition paid for your undergrad degree. By going into the guard, you can still see how the civilian world is but still keep your place in the military and earn toward a retirement.

Response by SFC Bruce Pettengill made Sep 1 at 2015 12:02 PM

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The best way to see if there is a decent job market out there is to look at the jobs boards in your area. see if there are any military jobs fairs going on, and lastly speak to a representative from your local work force commission, they will be able to halp you identify the job market trends and they have a veteran specific rep.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Sep 1 at 2015 12:08 PM

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Don't worry about what comes next or what does the future hold. Just do it. As others have posted, there are many options and getting a college degree is one of them. While getting a degree, you have 3-4 years to put the pieces together. It wasn't until my senior year that I finally choose teaching as a profession. A short time later I joined the Army National Guard to fill that void I had for the military. Two days a month, 2 weeks a years for training with occasional trips overseas...it worked for me. I was worried when I got out. I had a wife, and two kids to care for, but a good warrant officer told me not to worry. No being employed was for the other guy. He said I would always have a job. Until I retired at 62, he was right. It will work out.

Response by SPC Thomas Moosey made Sep 1 at 2015 12:25 PM

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The civilian world is nothing like the Army; I miss the Army every day since I ETS'd. Plus the job market has too many workers and not enough jobs. Get your rocker and retire that way you have some money coming in. I wish you the best.

Response by LTC Mark Beattie made Sep 1 at 2015 12:32 PM

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Unless you have a job waiting for you once you ETS, or plan on furthering your education, you should be concerned about a job if you get out. It's a very competitive job market on the outside, so give your decision some serious thought, and have a plan in place if you decide to ETS. I have lost count of the number of people that have told me over the years since I retired that they wish they had not gotten out of the military when they did. Whatever you decide to do, "good luck!"

Response by MAJ Bill Maynard made Sep 1 at 2015 12:54 PM

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I was in your position before. I did four years enlisted on active duty and then ETSed. My plan was to go to college and work in law enforcement. I carried out my plan to some degree, but found myself reenlisting in the ARNG three years later. Eventually, I got my commission and went back on active duty in the AGR program. I am very glad I did. The best part of being back in was the camaraderie with my fellow Soldiers and I was blessed with all those great memories :)

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Sep 1 at 2015 1:11 PM

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I run hot and cold on the choice to come off active duty in 1999. I've served in the Guard (with a break in service) since then, which at times is sufficient to keep me from missing it too much. There are things I still miss about active duty - the training and duties were significantly more high speed than the Guard can manage. I think my sometimes wish that I had stayed active duty is governed by missing my last duty station in Alaska. If I had stayed up there as I desired, in the service or no, I might not regret coming off active duty so much.

Response by SrA David Jensen made Sep 1 at 2015 1:23 PM

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I miss it still, 20+ years later. I also kick myself because I could have retired 2 years ago.

Response by SSG Buddy Kemper made Sep 1 at 2015 1:25 PM

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I came off of Active Duty twice before finally reenlisting and retiring from the Army Guard. You will miss the Army, or at least your friends and some aspects of the soldier life, I have no doubt. At this point I would say you should consider what you would really might like to do with the rest of your working life. Do you want to work with children, or work in the medical/healing profession or maybe business? Everybody is different and you change over time, but I strongly suggest using EVERY DIME of your Post-911 GI bill. Get a B.A./B.S. and if you enjoy time in College, consider an MBA or some other grad level courses. If you are missing it after a year or so, look at the Guard or Reserve. It's different from Active Duty, but I don't regret it now....actually made good friends and have a good feeling about the mission we accomplished in OEF '09. At some point also, Active Duty may come back open for prior service so going back into Active Duty may be an option a few years down the road. If you get your Bachelors, I strongly suggest considering a commissioning program whether Active or Reserve/Guard. But that's just hindsight for me but just think about it a little. Anywho, best wishes to you regardless of your decision, and thanks for serving our Country.

Response by PO2 Allen McConnell made Sep 1 at 2015 1:31 PM

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With hind site being 20/20, I should have stayed in and had I been as smart as you are being, asking for advice, I would hope some one told me that 20 years is just a drop in the bucket of time. I have been a Civilian / Veteran since 1992. And would not change my life for anything, but had I known now what I did not know then, everything would be different, I would have retired from the service and been working on my third retirement by now. So stay in, play the game, enjoy the friends you make and always believe that God has a purpose for you.

Response by CSM Robert Ashe made Sep 1 at 2015 1:50 PM

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Life is much different out here and you have to ask yourself a few questions. First, of all do you have a family and can you make enough to pay the medical bills and save for college and retirement on the outside. Secondly, if you are enjoying the Army then finish your time, invest well and rise your family, education yourself and enjoy life. The Army provides so many benefits that we take them for granted sometimes, look around and really see what’s really there. You are worry free, your family is being taking care of, you never have to worry about getting or keeping your job. I could continue but I will stop here because I believe you are tracking with me on this.

CSM Ashe (Retire)

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Sep 1 at 2015 2:11 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member, I think Most Vets would tell you they wish they were back in the military, why? Adjusting to civilian life is not lets say easy to get used to the longer you stay in active duty. But LTC David Stender "Have a solid plan" If you come out into the Real World without one it does make things a little more stressful. Unlike in the Green Machine civilians don't have the same mind set as you Meaning: you have to use the please, would you, and thank yous a lot. and in a less of cut and dry sharpness to your voice ( you have to use softness 98% of the time) and you will have to get used to people not doing what you tell them to do because they "don't feel like it" (you will meet some clock punchers) people that don't take their jobs seriously of have pride in what they do. But on the Good side of getting out is "FREEDOM", Better Pay (depending on the career you choose). the transition to civilian isn't easy to adjust to, it has it's goods and bads but that because you have been out of the Civilian Loop for the time you have been in. But Every Vet I meet and talk to wishes they were back in the Machine, even I do. look at the perks medical, dental, a really good retirement package. Do the 20 if you can because if you get out before then you will more then likely be kicking yourself in the ass for getting out.

Response by SSG Robert Spina made Sep 1 at 2015 2:20 PM

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I REMEMBER THINKING THE SAME THING WHEn I WAS GETTING CLOSE TO ETSING ITS A TOUGH DECISION WHAT I DID WAS I JOINED THE USAR THAT WAY COULD RETURN BACK TO ACTIVE DUTY WITH THE SAME RANK IF I DECIDED TO I WAS LUCKY I GOT A GOOD JOB AS A CORRECTIONS OFFICER SO IT PAYED OFF FOR ME I THEN CONTINUED MY MILITARY CARREER IN THE USAR AND DID 23 YRS THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT BEING ONE OF THEM WHAT EVER YOU DECIDE GOOD LUCK

Response by SPC David Holland made Sep 1 at 2015 2:24 PM

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dear sir , how much time do you have before you get you r 20 year letter ? I f you are close I would finish my 20 and start drawing the retirement , that's what I would do if I was you , be patient Obama isn't going for a 3rd term

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Sep 1 at 2015 2:50 PM

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Perhaps the biggest factor in making such a decision, is whether or not you like what you are doing. I was fortunate. I had a GREAT job that I loved. I was a broadcaster for AFRTS, now called AFN, and thus, I made a career of the Army.

If you like what you do, the Army is a great career. If you don't like your job, the Army can be pure hell, but that holds true in the private sector, as well. But the bottom line, is that it is a decision you have to make for yourself, and, as the line from Rick Nelson's "Garden Party," (1970) goes, "You can't please every one, so you got to please yourself."

Response by SSgt Lance Earl made Sep 1 at 2015 3:32 PM

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I've been out for exactly a year today and looking back on how hard it was to leave and what I miss, I still think it was a great decision. I worked supply for 7 years and am now using the GI Bill to get a BA in Film Studies as that will lead to my dream job.

If you love your job, I'd say stay in. If you don't, get out. Don't settle for anything less then what you want. If you want to do something unrelated to your job in the civilian world, then punch out!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2015 3:52 PM

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I just want to thank everyone who provided information and advice! I logged on today and had over 10 responses. I appreciate all of your help. I have learned some other avenues I can take. This is my year out month, so I will be meeting with retention to see what is offered. I'm not worried about a job getting out, just worried about missing what I currently have as far as experience opportunities with my current job. I love the cool stuff that I get to do as a MP, especially on deployments! If there is anyone on here that can help me network with jobs that require a TS I would really appreciate some information as well. Thank you everyone!

Response by PFC Craig Bailey made Sep 1 at 2015 3:55 PM

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Not only did I miss it but a few years after I got out I realized it was probably the biggest mistake I had made up to that point n life. But that was for me everybody is different. If u can't imagine life outside of the military I'd at least sign up for another tour. The military as a career is not a bad idea. When u r eligible for retirement u r still young enough to do something else.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Sep 1 at 2015 4:22 PM

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SGT Miranda Baker, if you are married that is a question that has to be answer with your spouse opinion, but if you are single stay in, the ARMY has new challenges ahead and need good NCO's and Officers with experience around, besides its fun and you will miss it.

Response by CH (CPT) Myron Johnson made Sep 1 at 2015 4:43 PM

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SGT Baker, as one who has been where you are, I know how scary it can be to get out. I was active duty Navy for 8 years and was out ten years for school then came back in the Army. I worked at the VA hospital as a chaplain during that time and many of the veterans I talked to wished that they had stayed in. At this point, if you enjoy it, I would encourage you to stay in, maybe this is what you were meant to do!

Response by SGT Jason Weisbrich made Sep 1 at 2015 4:45 PM

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SGT Baker, I would advise you to attempt to keep 60 days of leave to sell back to allow yourself a bit of cushion for when you get home. The transition is never an easy one, but the never quit attitude will help with that. Make sure you stop into the VA to set up a claim. My best advice is to use you GI Bill. Make sure it is the post 9/11 version... The BAH will help matters a lot. I have finished up my A.A.S, and may ving on to my bachelors. Better still I have landed a job in my field. If you are having any issues after you ETS, you can always visit the VA, VFW, or the American Legion in the area for assistance. Make sure you have a home to return to by checking early and often in the area you are returning to.

Response by SFC Timothy Dutcher made Sep 1 at 2015 4:53 PM

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I would start off with forgetting the pros and cons for getting out or staying in for the moment and start asking yourself a few questions. 1. What is important to you? What is really important, like money, time with family, friends, kids, travel, and when you have that list down, put them in order from most important to least important. 2. Where do you want to be in 5 years? 3. What will it take for you to get there? School, more experience, and/or other options. There are more questions, but you get the idea. When you see the answers of these questions laid out, you then ask yourself what path gets you there while still maintaining a close relationship to those things that are important to you. If you still have questions, then make sure you take advantage of tools out there like aptitude test and so forth. It is one thing to think you know what you are good at and interested in, it is another to have something analytically confirm or send you in a better direction. Whatever decision you make, make sure it is consistent with your value system and what is important to you. In the end, that is all each of us have. You are in a great time of life, options and resources at your disposal, it is up to you to use them in the best way possible. Ultimately, it is each of individually who have to live with the decisions we make. We all make bad ones, but you can minimize those with careful thought and planning.

Response by Capt John Schubert made Sep 1 at 2015 5:21 PM

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I think you have to stop and really think about where you expect to be in 10 years, and what matters most to you in life. I mostly got out because I was tired of bringing an A-game to work every day and watching bottom feeders make rank just about as fast. I'm making HQs on every eval, DG every class, and Airmen of the Quarter (or Crew of the Quarter), and yet, the guy who goes home and studies PFE/PME puts on rank because of performance reviews and testing? Problem is, it's the same on the outside. It can actually be worse.

No other job will give you a retirement in your 40s. This may not be important now, but one day it might be. Do you need stability (not PCSing anymore) or is it ok to see the world? If you get out, you might likely not get to travel as much. Outside employment will not send you to training like the military will. Some do, but you can't rely on it as the norm. Then, finally, in today's workplace, they drop people as if they're a commodity. Yes, you can find another easily if you're marketable, and yes, the military also goes through force shaping. However, when I was active duty, I always felt that if I do my job, then I will have a job. You can't rely on that at all on the outside.

Since you don't really post up what you'll do when you get out, it implies you don't already have a firm idea. With that in mind, I'd suggest you stay in until you really have a good reason to get out. Once you're out, you're not very likely to get back in.

Response by SPC Robert Thelen made Sep 1 at 2015 5:42 PM

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I got out over 20 years ago and I still miss it everyday. I loved the Army. I did 6 years and I loved every minute of it. Mine came down to get out or get a divorce. If I knew now what I didn't know back then. I would of stayed in and let happen happen.

Response by SPC Roger Hockenberry jr made Sep 1 at 2015 6:01 PM

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Well , I am now past retirement age (49) and could be retired if I'd have stayed in . Kicking myself now. Up to you but I'd stay in.

Response by SSgt Rick Glime made Sep 1 at 2015 6:25 PM

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STAY! STAY! STAY! No matter what your friends say, No matter what your family says, You are a buck sergeant, you've laid the ground work for a great career! Try to get some overseas travel in, in a non combat zone of course. You could even cross train! Yeah, stay!

Response by LCpl James Robertson made Sep 1 at 2015 7:20 PM

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Military versus Civilian life, take a thirty day vacation and you will find most civilian jobs cannot compete with your military life style. When I first got out I went into Law Enforcement making $7,300.00 dollars per year, with two children, I were ashamed to do it but I could have qualified for Food Stamps.

Response by SSG Matt Murphy made Sep 1 at 2015 7:51 PM

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Stay

Response by LTC Christopher Sands made Sep 1 at 2015 8:16 PM

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Stay in the economy stinks.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2015 8:49 PM

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Doing what going ware get your but back to retention and re-up NOW SGT.

Response by CPL Jay Meloche made Sep 1 at 2015 8:53 PM

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It's different for sure. When I got out I immediately found a job doing my MOS at an Army base a civilian. After almost 9 years active army I don't think I could have adjusted easily if wasn't for me landing the GS job. I have since PCSed to an Air Force base and I am still translating everything into army terms. If you do it use your Gi Bill and for sure have every ache and pain recorded. I thought I was superman so to say and now 15 years later it's catching up with me. If you're not sure don't do it until you are sure is my advice. There are days I wished I had chosen differently and days I'm glad I chose to get out

Response by SSgt William Byrd made Sep 1 at 2015 8:53 PM

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My suggestion is stay in and retire from the service. I have 8 years in Air Force and got out...Now I look back and wish I had stayed in and retired and started a second career. A wise man seeks counsel! Keep seeking til your soul knows. Praying for you! WM Byrd

Response by SSG Toryn Green made Sep 1 at 2015 9:59 PM

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Consider doing a one year extension under Rule A. This would allow you more time to figure out exactly what you want to do.

Response by TSgt William Cantrel made Sep 1 at 2015 10:51 PM

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I came across the same type of problem. I stayed In the service and don't problems that I stayed in. I still miss it till this day. Enlisted 1971 retired 1991. If you want to talk call [login to see] '

Response by Cpl James Waycasie made Sep 1 at 2015 11:58 PM

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I joined when I was 17, let my first wife talk me into getting out, I have regretted it to this day. I could have retired at 37. I could have picked up another job or just chilled, but either way, Life would have been better . If you have a very good trade, you may want to come out, but remember retirement age is 67 now and they want to move it up to 70. Also the competition in the open job market is strong and jobs are a lot leaner than when I got out. I would seriously give it a lot of thought. Do online research for the civilian career you are considering and see how tough the competition is. You may have to relocate , start lower than your skill level, etc.

Response by TSgt Mario Guajardo made Sep 2 at 2015 12:26 AM

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I had few regrets about re-enlisting. I would have stayed beyond 20 years but the MEB said I couldn't do my job anymore. If you originally joined at 18 or even 23 when I did, you'll still be young enough to start another rewarding career. Try to get a degree while you're still active duty if you can and consider seeking an in-service commission. That will create greater opportunities when you retire from the service.

Response by CPL David Stiles made Sep 2 at 2015 1:45 AM

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I say stay in for the long haul and retire it might suck but drive on and carry on hoorah

Response by Cpl David Hagen made Sep 2 at 2015 10:45 AM

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All the responses are good, and I hate to spam you, but I'll throw in my two cents. It's another world, not Mars and Venus, but parallel universe-type different world. They speak English, but the words are different. They watch the same movies and news, but their world-view is askew. They think that the broader world is one way, when you've seen it as another.
When I was in, I was in Intel, our Intel not what they think on the outside, Arabic school, secret-squirrel school, jumping into countries without a passport. When I'd come home on leave, I'd get asked what I thought the biggest threat to the US was, and I'd say this thing called Al-Qaeda, and this guy named Bin Laden, but they'd laugh, and ask about Saddam, our the Russians, and China. That was while I was still in service. I was medically retired, or I'd have stayed in as a lifer.
Whatever is best for you is what you need to plan, and work, towards.

Response by SPC Kristina Loper made Sep 2 at 2015 11:45 AM

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I feel like you already know your answer by the clues in your question. You sound like you don't want to leave just yet. When you really want to leave, I feel like you will know. Re-up!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2015 11:56 AM

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Maybe I'm the wrong person to respond to this, since I was the Career Adviser in my unit. I was trained to talk people into staying in. But I never tried to talk anyone into staying in who truly wanted to leave.
There are practical reasons for staying in: How many years do you have invested? And it is an investment. In addition to all the other reasons one might serve it might eventually come down to how many years you've put into this career and what you might be throwing away if you get out now.
There is always your education benefits. Have you used them?
And retirement. I know that there are new ways of computing ones retirement pay, but from what I see, if you retire at 20 years, you will receive 50% of your base pay every month. So someone retiring right now with the rank of E-7 and 20 years of service would get $2207.40 monthly and it would start the month after you retire. That would make the house payment and a car payment. I was a reservist. I had 30 years combined active duty and reserve and I retired at E-7. I had to wait until I turned 60 to start getting my retirement of almost $1285 a month, but it does make the house payment and a little more.
After the money talk is over, there is the satisfaction you get from your service. Knowing that you've done the job and done it well, in spite of all the rules, regulations and BS you might have to wade through to do it. The friends you make and the camaraderie of some of the best people on the planet.
This life, whether its the Army, Air Force, Navy or Marine Corps is not for everyone, but when you find it is for you, then you feel like you've found a home.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2015 11:58 AM

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I left for many reasons when I did get out - but the main reason was the lack of ownership. I have many friends and they traveled, they went to festivals, they did all that stuff that I couldn't do. I could never even join a boxing club, because I couldn't commit that I would be off duty every Tuesday and/or Thursday at 1900 hours. You know, like normal people. And that to me were the deal breaker. I wanted to experience more outside the Army than the 2 weeks in the summer block leave and the extended xmas exodus could provide me with.

That was me. But I had a plan. And if you truly want to leave, which I doubt, then have a plan. Without it you will be lost. With it you will be successful.

Response by SSG David Urvina Jr made Sep 2 at 2015 12:10 PM

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I've been out for many years, but it's difficult to adapt back to life as a civilian. In the current economy jobs are scarce, then you have to consider cost of health insurance and if you have a family the expenses will be even higher. Best of luck.

Response by SPC Jerri Haaven made Sep 2 at 2015 12:11 PM

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I ETS'd a very long time ago; but here's my experience. Most Veterans that I have spoken to over the years, all say the same thing. They wish they would have stayed in. Returning to civilian life, where the average person has absolutely no idea of what it means to belong to the greatest military on the planet, makes things "meh" on the outside. Although we might have complained about the boredom, structure, etc., it's actually what we ended up loving the most - not to mention the camaraderie. Additionally, if I would have stayed in, I would have retired by now, had a pension and could have started a new career to further my financial security. My advice? As an E-5 - challenge yourself. Could you rise in rank and leadership? Finally - I think the mere fact that you are already questioning about not being able to imagine life without the military - says a lot. :) Good luck!

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Sep 2 at 2015 12:12 PM

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I got out after 5 years and don't regret it. I've never appreciated not having control and responsibility for my own life, so I got out. Yes, there were lien times (lived on Microwave baked potato with cheese and ranch dressing for a couple of months), but I always had the option to move to a different place, find a better job, tell an asshole boss to "shove it".

That said, my brother in law loves the structure... he was medically discharged from the Navy, worked hard to recover and turned around and joined the Army. He's a lifer and it's good for him.

I do miss the things that you just can't do in civilian life... Formation runs, Air Assault stuff, where else can you carry trucks around underneath helicopters?

Response by SFC Sam Morgan made Sep 2 at 2015 12:56 PM

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I retired in 2012 while the deployments were still fairly heavy. I got a job with Northrop Grumman and that lasted until now when the government stopped funding us thus we were laid off. I have an MBA with 24 years military experience and can't get a job in a state who's unemployment is one of the lowest in the US. Stay in.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Sep 2 at 2015 12:59 PM

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I wrestled with this long and hard when my first enlistment was up. There wasn't as much access to economic information or job situations back then, so it was a crap shoot. I was really good at my job, did well on WAPS and made E-5 in under 4 years so I could stay in (we were drawing down from Vietnam) and do very well for myself. That was a lock. All I knew was the I really wanted to go to college and the GI Bill would get me there. It's the leap that's hard because then you are committed and leaving the familiar and comfortable. After I got out I always sort of felt like I'd wasted those 4 years because they didn't work towards a civilian retirement. Later I joined the US Army reserve (fire fighter) while in Law school and it was great! I met some nice people, we had a small, but good unit and I learned a lot. The best part was how nicely it worked out when I came back in as a JAG and was an 0-3E over 10 for pay, plus computing my retirement date. It all worked.
Still - a hard choice. Make your list of where you see yourself in 5, 10 or 15 years. List the climate you most enjoy and would want to live and try to figure out your best path with loads of alternatives that aren't bad either, because life is all about not ending up where you thought you'd wind up. Nobody is more surprised then me.

Response by CH (CPT) Jimmy Pritchard made Sep 2 at 2015 1:01 PM

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Very few things beat a military retirement. Twenty years may seem long but it passes quickly. Benifits are hard to beat.

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Sep 2 at 2015 1:03 PM

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Re-up

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Sep 2 at 2015 1:12 PM

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Request a transfer as you cannot be barred from promotion due to medical reasons.

Response by SGT Brent Ellis made Sep 2 at 2015 2:03 PM

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Go with your gut. If the hooah is what you enjoy, there are similar hooah jobs as defense contractors. I have a few friends that have gone that route, some are deployed more now than as a SM, others essentially left work one day and came back in civies doing the same job the next day. As for the camaraderie, as previously stated, vets find vets and tend to hang with vets, it just happens if that is what you want. Some go home and never talk about it again. Use the skills and training you have, leverage those resources to the best of your ability, and do the best thing for your family. If you do get out, keep those skills fresh and seek out a hooah reserve or guard unit that will keep you up to speed AND get points toward retirement. But find a hooah unit or you will be miserable and bail. Those hooah units get more opportunities for active time/training and more pts earned. I have a buddy that is in a civie contract job as active guard but still gets to play hooah, but for civie pay (in similar line of work, in same state as you) AND you may be able to get a commissioned gig, nicer retirement.

Response by SGT Benjamin Vargas made Sep 2 at 2015 2:10 PM

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No matter who you are you absolutely need a solid plan when getting out and use your military-like discipline to stick with it. Also have a solid back up plan cause when you're out you have options and so things change...a lot. For some this is scary, but others it's exciting. After a while you may begin to miss the good Ole military days and that's ok ,but today it's easy and fun to stay in touch with friends from the service. With a year left it's time to have your plan solidified, yes that early. A smooth transition will help give you the mental momentum needed when Uncle Sam isn't taking care of you and possibly your family. In all, getting out isn't that bad. You miss some things but it's easy to get used to life without that stuff. Just think about all the stuff you hated and that should make you feel better. Hope this helps.

Ben
Former Army SGT

Response by Maj Justin Walworth made Sep 2 at 2015 2:29 PM

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I almost got out in 2009. I thought I knew what I wanted to do and had a pretty solid plan. It just didn't feel right and i ended up up staying and recently retired. I now have a great job I enjoy and all the time for a second career and the security of a military retirement. If you are on the fence, stay. You'll never no way hen it's time to move on, but don't do it too early. We do awesome stuff in the military that you won't get in the private sector.

Response by SGT Rudy Gibson made Sep 2 at 2015 2:38 PM

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I am a Veterans Employment Representative in Las Vegas. I used to facilitate the TAPS program until my back made it too hard for me to do. I saw and still see so many soldiers at my desk. They get out because of their spouse, friends saying there are good jobs and thousands of other reasons. I don't know where you are career wise but I agree with the other comments. If you are not sure...don't get out. Way too many veterans wish they would have stayed in and now they can't go back.

Response by CW2 Eric Kline made Sep 2 at 2015 2:56 PM

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SGT Baker, though my advice comes from last century it may be applicable - I ETS'd twice and was allowed to return twice (though at lower rank)... it slowed things down but there are so many opportunities in the service of our nation that I was able to do well anyway - do what you want just consider the consequences...

Response by SP6 Nick Bristow made Sep 2 at 2015 3:46 PM

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jobs really depends on your MOS. Check out USAJOBS.com and jobsfor vets.
I would have stayed in forever if I had not gotten a medical. My advise would be stay in until you complete your Bach degree..need it out here to be competitive for jobs

Response by SP6 Nick Bristow made Sep 2 at 2015 3:47 PM

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Wish I had never gotten out

Response by SP5 John Brandt made Sep 2 at 2015 4:01 PM

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The only thing I can say is that I wish that I had stayed in for twenty! Your an NCO and you have job security, out in the "world" even the most secure job can jerked out from under you by the
economy. Pay your money and take your chances!

Response by PO1 Karl Heckman made Sep 2 at 2015 5:15 PM

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I left after 9 years 4 months (had to extend to take certain jobs) because I didn't like being an employee number in a massive organization where too many people had power over my life. I quit the Navy on Friday and went to work for myself on Monday. That was 25 years ago and I do not regret the decision.

If you take the leap and get out you will miss many things about the military. You will also discover a world that can be what you choose. Good luck in this decision.

Response by CSM Christopher St. Cyr made Sep 2 at 2015 6:27 PM

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SO there I am, just last night on my way home from a senior NCO meeting stopping for gas at about the half way mark. A fella at the next pump walks over to me and asks if I was in Afghanistan pointing to my patch. I told him no, Iraq and as I turn to look at him realize he was one of my former Soldiers from my first howitzer section. I counseled him about leaving the Guard because he had a great attitude, lots of smarts for artillery, and seemed to love the job. Well being a Spec. 4 (it was that long ago), he knew everything (some things never change in the Army). I ran into him about five years after that and he told me he wished he had stayed in. I pounced at the opportunity to put him back in boots, but he had hurt his back and was no longer medically eligible. I told him that was nonsense until after he had a physical. He told me he had taken another military physical and they said he could not re-enlist with his injury. IF your undecided, the reserve component is an option you should not over look. If you like your current job and the Army, STAY. It is a tough life, but so is life on the outside. One benefit of the Army over civilian life is you never have to decide what to wear in the morning! If you don't like doing the Army thing full-time, GET OUT. Don't stay because you are afraid of the transition, but look at the Guard and Reserve.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Sep 2 at 2015 7:37 PM

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Hard choice for sure but thousands have transitioned before you but if you decide have a plan! Do you want to go to school and if so study what; know what skills are in demand now and projected to grow in the future. Would any of these interest you and be honest, do you have the educational background to succeed. Don't want that then ask if you have a marketable military skill that will pay you enough to support your current lifestyle and any bills you may have. Do you have some savings if you don't have a job in hand at discharge or universities are in mid semister. If you answer no to 2 or more of these consider another hitch and prepare yourself to have a better prepared option next time. Good luck to you!

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Sep 2 at 2015 7:42 PM

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When I was there a nationwide curfew midnight to 5AM for everyone but you could pack some serious partying in in the limited hours you had!

Response by CW2 Michael Berthiaume made Sep 2 at 2015 7:44 PM

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If you enjoy what your doing now in the military, stay in, Earn a Retirement or put a few more years in until you KNOW for sure who,what you want to do in the outside world. Connections are everything, so build Connections with possible Suitors in the outside world, if you aim to go that way.

Response by SGT James Hammons made Sep 2 at 2015 11:14 PM

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It all depends on you SGT. I myself wanted to stay but had to get out after 15 due to family and physical problems. I was just not keeping up anymore and did not enjoy it as much as I used to. If you love what you do and you are young and in good shape then I recommend staying in. As far as getting out is concerned there are some states that do better than others. I am in Texas and had no problem finding work. Some jobs are better than others and I finally settled on IT support for a school district and love it now. I find myself sometimes missing the Army Days and wishing I had remained in. You probably will here that from a lot of veterans.

Response by SPC Brent Morrison made Sep 3 at 2015 3:10 AM

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I've been out almost 10 years. Johnny Cash said the first pill he ever popped was euphoric. Every pill he took after that never replaced that initial feeling he got with the first one. The military is the first pill. Civilian life is every pill after that.

Response by SFC Nikhil Kumra made Sep 3 at 2015 10:16 AM

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If you don't want to put the work in, and believe me, success in the civilian world is VERY VERY DIFFICULT, though 100% achievable, then stay in - You can do a solid 85% on active duty during peace time and retire comfortably.

Having left as an E-5, having worked my tail off to get to where I wanted to go, and have so far reached every major mile stone that I wanted, and continuing to do so, I will say this -- Unless you know what you want to accomplish, and you have established in your mind that you just don't need sleep, and friends, and much support, I would say stay in...

Not to put a downpour on it - believe me, the rewards of your blood, sweat and tears are VERY worth it if and only if you are willing to put up with it. What it would take me in staying enlisted my whole career, calling it a life and getting a pension, I was able to get to a solid standing in about 5 years - the cost was virtually no time off, uncertainty, A LOT of sleepless nights, getting behind on bills - that choice between "food and gas" is a true reality. Especially if you are enlisted - the VAST MAJORITY of enlisted jobs do NOT translate all that well from the military, unless it is a trade, with a national certification of some sort, don't let anyone fool you and say that they do. And you have to be able to accept it, change yourself and carry on...

I think it is easier to stay in shape, have a good, consistent life full of friends and family available to you, a fulfilling career path, and everything that you want OUTSIDE OF ACTIVE DUTY. I still serve in the ARNG, and that is good enough for me. I get my fix, go home, have a beer, do some grilling, do the things I enjoy with the friends and family I enjoy being around, and when it is time to work, I am not human in the way to go about it.

At the same time, I can go to the gym consistently, don't have some idiot with a broken life/family trying to control every facet of my life, because somehow, his consistent, bone-headed life mistakes translates to "he knows what he is doing", and I can actually go to drill focusing on MAXING my APFT rather than "getting by" and passing it...

All in all, you must work harder than you EVER have in the military or outside of it, otherwise you're going to just get stuck in a job that you could have done if you stayed in the military, at half the pay and no retirement plans.... If you plan on getting out to drive a forklift, re-enlist to be a forklift guy, if you want to be a $30,000 office manager, re-enlist as a pac clerk and make $65,000 as an E-7.

I wanted to climb the ranks, but I also wanted to see if I could make it in the civilian world in a profit-seeking company. I wanted something that translated as close as possible to Infantry, which at the time was my MOS on active duty, and going for that business degree, and then going into retail was actually a VERY close parallel. Problem is, an enlisted infantryman who has no experience doing much else has to work his ass of to get anywhere in life - The best quote I've ever heard on the matter was from Platoon, "They're the bottom of the barrel, and they know it. Maybe that's why they call themselves grunts, 'cause a grunt can take it, can take anything. They're the best I've ever seen, Grandma. The heart and soul. "

For me, it worked out very well, and now I can live by those tenants that are grilled into your head as an infantryman, and apply what I learned in my education, and go to sleep each night arrogantly knowing that I am better than my peers. :-)

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Sep 3 at 2015 10:50 AM

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It is depends on where you are locating and what you are planning on doing.

Response by SPC Lance Carter made Sep 3 at 2015 11:55 AM

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I just went through ETSing and went into the civilian world and I hated it I am now back in had to do MEPS all over again getting out was the dumbest thing I ever did

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2015 12:30 PM

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If you truly enjoy your work and work environment, stay. I run into too many veterans who say they wished they had stayed to retirement. I look back on my career as the best job I have ever had, and I b...ched about it regularly. Do what is right for you.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2015 2:09 PM

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stay in until you retire with full pay. I got out early, and that was a HUGE mistake. if you have family sit down and discuss your options and concerns with them. I thought after I got out it would be easy, boy was i wrong. if I could go back in time....I would, I would change it to where I would have stayed away from my now ex husband and focused more on my career in the military.

truly weigh the pros and cons of staying vs getting out. Good luck either way Sgt. Baker.

Response by MSgt Aaron Eischens made Sep 3 at 2015 2:10 PM

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I retired recently, but I do miss the military life. Job hunting has been a pain, but between my GI Bill and retirement pay, I don't need to panic.
The biggest advice I have (and others have mentioned) is to have several plans and start working on them ASAP. Get certifications or finish up degrees before you get out. If you're going to school, start applying for scholarships. Have a plan now and work on it, even if you're leaning towards staying in.
As for advice on staying in or not, that's up to you. Most people just know when it's time. I intended on staying 3 more years, but was heavily "encouraged" to retire. I could have resisted the efforts, but just felt it was time to leave anyway.
I was semi-prepared, but would have benefited from a few more months.

Response by PV2 Cameron Ellison made Sep 3 at 2015 2:12 PM

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I have been out for awhile and I like it. I have thought about re-enlisting but my window of opportunity is very narrow and I think about my family and being gone on deployments. I am and was fortunate enough to have the skills from my service and from prior military that I was able to utilize. I still have a military mind set that I to to empress on my kids, but at the same time I am relaxed with them. Hope it helps.

Response by PFC Brian Millis made Sep 3 at 2015 2:58 PM

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To be honest wish I stayed in longer. Jobs hard to find and insurance is getting high

Response by MSgt Michelle Austin made Sep 3 at 2015 3:40 PM

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SGT Baker,
If you still enjoy the military but would also like to have a cilivian job on the outside please consider joining the Reserves or the Guard. 9 out of 10 people that get out of the military early (either active duty or reserve/guard) end up regretting it later in life when they could have had a nice retirment check coming in for the rest of their life. Say you have 4 years active duty now, you get out and join the Reserves and finish your career so that you can retire. You will have a nice retirement check by the time you are 60. If you enjoy the active duty military life then stay in, but if you are feeling burnt out, restless, not enjoying it as much as you did when you first signed up then you might want to consider getting out but fill in with the Reserves or the Guard. I served 21 years. Twenty years as a reservist and one year active duty when we were activated. I have zero regrets and will have a nice check to look forward to when I turn 60. If you do decide to leave active duty heed what LTC Stender said have a plan, either have a job waiting for you on the outside, go to school full time etc....the outside can be very difficult to navigate in finding steady good paying career jobs.
You also have the option to change it up. If you are tired of the branch you are currently serving in you could enlist in a different branch. Same goes for the Reserve /Guard. I was in the Navy and Air Froce Reserve during my career.

Response by MSgt F.L. Hawk Jt made Sep 3 at 2015 4:46 PM

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SGT Baker, I could write you a book of pro's and con's. My best piece of advise is to stay in and make it a career!! Many people I have know, kicked themselves in the arse about getting out. I myself retired from the AF as a Security Forces Specialist (MP). 21 1/2 active, 3 1/2 guard. After my 4 year active hitch I got out, after 9 months a friend told me about the ANG, I went in on a (TRY 1), one year, and loved it!! What AD does not tell you is that Guard Units have FULL TIME AD personnel, so after a few years I got a position, same pay and benefits, but you never PCS. Have been called up by both the Governor and the President, but only for 6 month deployments. Now, let's switch to benefits, you will NEVER find a retirement out side that you have currently!!!! If you get out and go back in later, you will be under the new retirement system which you know is switching to a more 401K type retirement. Medical benefits are HUGE and people can't BELIEVE what I pay....PENNIES!!!! My dad always kept saying to me when we'd talk and I was like man I'm tired, he would say "your really close, keep it up!" Thanks dad, is all I have to say!!!!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2015 5:02 PM

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Get your GI Bill use it and become a professional student. Explore and network in the civilian professional arena. Maybe stay in the reserves or national guard. There is more life after the military. You dont see life without the military and thats because you dont know any better. The military banks on your comfort zone in military life so you dont get out early. However let me tell you from experience there is another way and in my opinion a more ambitious way.
If you stay in the military for another 4 yrs... you will be a SSG or maybe a SFC at most. Thats it. However if you go to college you will be as much as you can be vs as much as the military lets you be. You get a 4 yrs education there is so much that you can be. Just from the exposure to other people that is progressive and goal oriented your eyes will open and you will see that there is another way and yes that there is life outside the military.
I am telling you from experience that your time to get out is now but you dont have to be all out. Go to school expand your horizons and just serve in a national guard. Make the military work for you to what you want in life. You go to school get a degree and commission as an officer. If you cant live without the military then you can go back in but at least you go back with higher rank and more pay that gives you so much more flexibility in life.
Look it seems to me that you dont have a concrete plan in the military and that you are up for grabs. There is people out there that I asked and they told me things like: I want to be a drill sergeant, my dream is to be a 1SG, I will be the first female CSMA or I want to be SF... those are all true stories from my Soldiers and they said it with determination and I knew that was what they wanted to do and they are doing or going for. You sound like you are more in discovery zone which is great because you are open to try something new.
I was enlisted and warrant too. Others in the military will tell you to have a solid plan that has no fails... no you dont and thats the beauty of it. The military is all structured but life outside of the military doesnt have to be. YES OF COURSE have a solid plan to pay your rent etc but also have a plan to achieve higher than the boundaries set by one system. Sing your own song however you like it.
Lastly, let me give you a solid plan for the next few yrs if you get out.
1. Pay all your current debt, have a car that is paid off, put some money on the side.
2. Take college courses english and math before you leave the military so you get back in the homework mode.
3. Enroll in state university wherever you going back to.
4. When you get out apply for unemployment (which you are entitled to when you get out of the military) This is 6 months of financial security if you dont get a job that you want. You dont have to take the first job at McDonalds or Walmart checking receipts out the store.
5. Apply for Pell Grant and Student aid. This can give you $2500 at the start of every college semester. Do not take student loans.
6. Do college and take 15 to 18 credits, be a full time professional student. As a full time student you will have your hands full and you can truly dedicate yourself to your studies and excel. Because you are not working you can concentrate in school, go to tutors after school if need to, be in fraternities and honor societies, college clubs and associations, do college sports and many other things related to a full college life and network for the future.
7. Use the GI Bill as a full student which pays about $1100 a month for every month you are a full time college student in good standing; meaning, you are passing all your classes with C or higher... aim for higher though.
8. You have the Obama GI Bill so you will get BAH on your zip code which is tax free; meaning, that you will get your money for rent and if you play your cards right this will pay for your living expenses every month!
9. (OPTIONAL) Join the reserves or national guard and get tuition assistance. That way they pay for your college credits. If you are in state school it will cover your whole tuition MEANING that you get to pocket and save your GI Bill monthly $1100!
10 (OPTIONAL) as a junior you can get in ROTC and this will pay another $350 monthly during school.

How do I know this works?

I DID IT! My friends did it!

Many people advises here have one thing in common... some didnt get out or some didnt follow through in college.

I got out and I was a single parent and I had my son half the week not just 2 weekends a month. I was that guy in college that sometimes brought his son and would sit in the back of the class. I was a professional student and I took 18 to 23 credits which I dont recommend unless you truly like school and can test good. I was triple majoring and you know why I did that? Because I wasnt working. I had a decent car good on gas and I also had a sport bike... both paid. I have a roommate and we shared an apartment so I was paying half the rent! So saving more money! I took care of my son just fine and never struggled. Also I was in the reserves so I took all the GI Bill money home and I went to drills once a month and got another few hundred dollars. While in the reserve I made it to E-5(P) and I went for warrant and I got it based on my college education, then a year + after I went for direct commission and I got it when I was still in school. I finished my college, completed OBC and BOLC and I was a 1LT. Nowadays I will pick MAJ next year.

If I had staid in I would be maybe a MSG maybe with a degree. Now I have a MBA. I am not an isolated case... my roommate was 11B SGT and did the same, also had a kid and single parent, he did the ROTC and went active but he is about to pick LTC. We had another friend did the same as he is also a MAJ and pilot. I have another friend that did it and he is a lawyer and does reserves because he likes it just like me.

Getting out of active duty was by far the best decision I ever made because I get to serve as much as I want to or not, but I get to actually decide what I am doing next. You can do as much active duty time as you want. For example you can go in deployments if you feel like it. You can do tours of duty where you actually pick where and what you do. I dont have a big brother telling me where I have to live like it or not. To me thats the most important thing because family is before the military everyday of the week. However other, respectfully, dont see it the same way and thats fine. Also I dont ever want to feel like I can only do what someone else wants me to do on their time and where they want me to do it. As a reservist I just came out of doing 3 yrs of active duty where I had two company commands. I picked where, when and what! Do you think is that easy in AC... not necessarily. However you do have to bring it and work hard when you do step up.

Also I have friends that got out and did everything else I did except the OPTIONAL. They went out completely and they are doing way better than me and my friends staid at least in reserves and national guard.

I honestly could not disagree anymore with those that are telling you to stay. In the end you have to have the courage and self discipline to get your goal. My goal was to get my degrees, be an officer, make as much money to give everything to my son and live wherever I want wherever I want. If you dont break now then you gonna be half way in and then your mentality would be: well I am half way in I might as well stay.... thats sad in my opinion. If you can only see yourself as big as the boundaries you let a system put you in and you are happy... good for you but that would have been straight up misery for me.

Always strike to be better, see yourself achieving, dont limit yourself, think outside the box and get paid for you and your family. You can be a sheep or a wolf. I am telling you I am and many others, living proof that there is more out there and yes you can still do military.

DO have your CAKE and also EAT IT!!! Whoever said that you cant have your cake and eat it is a moron and lazy.

Response by SSgt Ryan Belrose made Sep 3 at 2015 5:51 PM

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I have a security clearance and was working as aircraft maintenance so it was not incredibly difficult for me to transition out to a job at boeing. You have alot of factors that go into your decision lol at all the pros and cons before making it final. Best I can say is its not a wonderful job market just try your beat to make the choice you won't regret later.

Response by SPC Angel Valentin made Sep 3 at 2015 9:08 PM

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If you have something planned move on, but, if your coming out to civilian live without a plan just stay there man. Enjoy as much as you can cause you'll gonna miss it. I know I do.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 3 at 2015 9:51 PM

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SGT Baker, your choice to get out or stay in the Army is yours. I know you want to hear all the warm and fuzzy things others have experienced. As an old Career Counselor I would have to ask, why did you join the Army? Here is what I can offer you for 3 years, 4, 5 or 6 years. I will also pull out my benefits list an show you what you get for free. An with the down sizing of the Army I would really look at your MOS an see if you have options. Bonus may be an option but not something that is a guarantee from qtr to qtr. Hope you check all you options military and civilian.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2015 12:07 AM

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To me it was the worst decision I had every made. Once I started working with Civilians and realized they weren't on the same sheet of music as me. I was knocking on the door of the recruiters trying to get back in. I'm thankful I got a job at my local sheriff's offices because it had a rank structure and everyone there cared about the person to their left and right. Just like being in the military all over again. Now on another note as a RECRUITER. If you decided to get out and then you don't like it. It's very hard for an E-5 to come back on to Active Duty due to the jobs available. Usually for an E-5 the army is looking for the 35p or 35 series. Now if you're Airborne qualified that might open up a few more jobs for you. Now if you have your degree and the GT 110, then I'd try to come in as an officer. Just my $0.02

Response by SSG Melvin Nulph made Sep 4 at 2015 2:39 AM

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Smart move, thank before you leap. Because the landing may not be as soft as you want when you get there.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2015 5:00 AM

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For a service member looking at ETS is as important a decision as itwas to join the military. Now you have to consider even more things about your future and your families future. You must do this this very methodically and intentionally with a lot of research and planning. But let me caution you on one very important part that most service members do not consider, and that is the psychological affect this will have on you. Military life and civilian life are two different worlds and you have to adapt mentally. So make sure that in all of your decision making you include the psychological part as well.

Response by SGT Erik Gray made Sep 4 at 2015 8:44 AM

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If you have more than 10 years in, stay in. Long-term, a military retirement is something you want to have. Most states do not tax military retirement pensions (or offer tax exclusions), and that will be important come the time you want to retire. I had to leave at 12 years, and would go back in a heartbeat.

Response by SGT Del Lavature made Sep 4 at 2015 10:44 AM

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Good luck

Response by SCPO Dave Kaylor made Sep 4 at 2015 4:23 PM

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SGT Baker,
I couldn’t agree more with LTC Stender. And, even with a solid plan, the transition to a “life without the military” can be very daunting. You’re very fortunate that you have the option to stay in the military and that in itself is a tribute to a job well done by you for the Army and your country. As you further advance in the military, the rewards are exponentially higher. The civilian world hails your answer to the call of duty in the highest esteem and respect for the military has never been higher. I’ve seen too many people leave the service and later find that the “grass really wasn’t greener” on the outside. As hard as it may seem to believe, job satisfaction rates are not higher. All that said…there is life beyond the military! Had I stayed in the first time, I would not have realized the wonderful and fulfilling career that was open to me as a civilian. I was so ready to get out, but so missed it that I affiliated with the Navy Reserve and was able to take a second career to retirement with ALL the military benefits. You are the only one who can answer your question. I don’t sense that you dislike the military. If you enjoy what you are doing, stay with it. If you don’t, then get out with a purpose and a solid plan…but always consider a rewarding career in the Army Reserve of National Guard.

Response by SSG John Erny made Sep 4 at 2015 5:25 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member Do not throw away what you have! If you get out look at a guard or reserve unit. The guard and reserve are not the 4th string bench warmers they were during the cold war, they are far better trained and funded than they once were. That being said shop around and find a unit that fits you and has slots for your rank and perhaps even an open E-6 slot. If you are going to College the guard and reserve will help pay for your schooling plus you get a little extra money from drill annual training. If you choose that route look at ROTC. Even if you stay guard or reserve and do 20 years the retirement for an officer should strongly be considered. Even if you stay enlisted you will get a bunch of points towards retirement. If you get a commission you have options to return to active duty with much better pay.
The Navy and AF both have reserve components as well. You may open new doors or you may find a field that fits your current MOS.
Again I say do not throw away what you have! I got off active duty and entered the NG because I needed some extra cash, I ended up staying for a little over 20 years and now I have a nest egg that no one can take away from me. I can still go on any base to use the PX and commissary, I will get tri-care and a pay check at age 60. That may seem a long way off but it sneaks up on you fast.
I am retired now and if it were not for health reasons I would still be drilling every month. I miss it very much.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Sep 5 at 2015 12:55 AM

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Its not that pretty on the outside, I have seen 1st hand how bad it is and lots of Homeless vets! I was Homeless for a year when I returned to the states. I would STRONGLY recommend utilizing any and all avenues you have available to you NOW to gain as many college points as you can to aid in obtaining a degree in what ever field you wish to pursue when and if you do decide to throw in the towel. Also keep in mind that while I was homeless, I ran a cross a university professor with several degrees that was homeless. It hits us all and takes no prisoners...

Response by SGT Gregory Reilly made Sep 5 at 2015 1:00 AM

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Hey, if anyone gives you a concrete answer for this, they're fooling you. I miss the hell out of the military. It get in your blood and becomes part of who you are. Remember you'll have to transistion sooner or later. Make this call on your own. Soul search and decide what's best for you. It's your career. Only one person needs to be happy with your descision. YOU!!! Best of luck.

Response by CSM Carl Cunningham made Sep 6 at 2015 4:02 PM

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This is a tough decision that I have thought about many times. The only thing I recommend is that you get out of an MI unit if you continue to stay an MP. You could fall behind your peers in MP training that you may not be receiving while in the MI world.

Response by SGM Jeff Bullard made Sep 6 at 2015 6:32 PM

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If you have a plan of action (good job, college, etc) go ahead and go ahead with your plans. If you're still in the process of thinking things out I would suggest that you reenlist for another 2-4 years, this will give you the time to solidify your plans or give you the time and experience to decide to continue your career in the United States Military, which by the way is a great way of life and I have never regretted my decision to make it a career. If you do decide to get out I would suggest that you enlist in the National Guard or Reserves to continue your career.

Response by SGT Jay Flo made Sep 7 at 2015 2:28 PM

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Brother I my first question or you is this, do you have a degree? If not stay in and get on while on active duty much easier than going to the VA or school admin personnel. Good luck

Response by 1SG Albert Harshman made Sep 9 at 2015 12:09 PM

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I retired in 92 and I still think about it and dream about it. If I were still physically able and they would let me, I'd go back in New York minute. It's your decision, but the benefits I enjoy today are totally worth the 20 years+ that I served.

Response by SSG Terry Back (Martin-Back) made Sep 9 at 2015 12:25 PM

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LTC Stender gives great advise about establishing a plan. Here are a few things you need to do before making that ETS step; have a thorough physical, keep copies of your entire medical records and sign up with the VA. If you have medical issues that that are service related, keep all the documentation. Have a financial plan and know how much cash you will need to have in reserve, (housing, utilities, food, transportation and professional services), if you don't have a clue on any of the above, re-enlist and develop a plan. Evaluate the employment opportunities of where you plan to return to, it is not in your best interest going back home with the hope of finding a job. If you are behind on your education, plan on college or trade school to build upon your military training. Do not expect to get hiring priority because you are a veteran, you will need skill and experience to put you ahead of the next person applying for the same position. I have a Kindle book out explaining how not to get hired; http://www.amazon.com/Looking-Job-Why-Wont-Hired-ebook/dp/B014D8HLF6/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid= [login to see] &sr=1-4&keywords=terry+martin-back Good luck with your future endeavors. Success does not just happen, you create it.

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Response by MSgt James Trent made Sep 9 at 2015 1:06 PM

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I would ask how long have you been in? IMO if you been in for 10 or over then stay in. If this is your first enlistment then you have to ask yourself if you like the military life. The chance of having to move to another base or deploy. Do you like your job? How is the opportunity for promotion? In one field I was in, Gunner on the B-52, it was a small group so rank advancement was hard. If you don't like your job can you cross train to something you might like better?

Unless you got something in writing lined up I would stay in. You could get out and never find a job to your liking that pays worth a crap or that you enjoy. If you like the military then I say stay in because you will miss it and regret it later down the road.

Response by 1SG Bill Melen made Sep 9 at 2015 1:08 PM

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SGT Baker, You have expressed a very sound reason for staying in. You like the life, the camaraderie and fellowship. A few other considerations: health care (very expensive on the outside), jobs (few and far between at present and for the foreseeable future), retirement (you have a start on retirement now but if you get out you have to start over AND military retirement starts when you retire from active duty whereas on the outside you have to wait until 65+).
I still live in the Ft Bragg area and most friends and neighbors are either active duty or retired. One came to me last year with tears in his eyes and said he thinks he screwed up and retired. He couldn't find a job. His retirement helped and he was glad he had healthcare for his family but it was much worse on the outside then he thought it was going to be. I have seen too many promising young troops get out thinking it was going to be great. Its not. I grew up in a family business and the hours were long and hard. People used to ask me why I went back in. I told them that although the hours in the military are long and hard, its worse on the outside. I worked 12 hour days (7 days a week for months). Current statistics say there are 157 million working age (16-65) in the country. They also say that 94 million are either unemployed or underemployed. In my humble opinion, I think you will miss being in and regret it if you get out. Good luck in whatever you decide.

Response by SCPO Christopher Rubino made Sep 9 at 2015 1:10 PM

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SGT, I spent 27 years of my life in the Navy. Loved every minute of it. And I do miss it. But I am glad that I am out and living and doing all the things I always wanted to and never had time to. Yes--YOU WILL MISS IT, if it is in your blood like it was mine, but you will find your place. You will still be the same person you are now, and you will find other outlets for your drive and abilities.
On a practical note, be prepared (as well all learn). Do you have a plan for when you get out? Job? Living location? Family? ETC? If you don't have a plan, than wait. Unless you want to get out and develop a plan as it comes. Although we know that is usually not a good move, but it works for some. Depends on your life goals and situation. The military is dependable, pays fairly well, and FUN (usually). But so can civilian life be as well.
In the end itis a personal decision. Good luck with whatever decision you make and Thank You for your service.

MACS (Ret) Chris Rubino

Response by Cpl Anthony Mack made Sep 9 at 2015 1:13 PM

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Well, for me personally. I'd say stay as long as possible. If you can get your 20 and get that early retirement it will mean a lot for the rest of your life. I got out in '83 and the only thing I got was the VA Hospital as a benefit. I used what I learned to start a business and am on my second business now.

But, I often think how different things would have been if I stayed. I don't know how old you are but think about your retirement. If you stay you can get out after 20 get a job and later you'll be getting two retirement checks for life. That'll put you in a very nice place.

Stay in, put 40% of your paychecks to an investment account and let that money stack get out start a business and you're good.

I'm 56 years old and have been there and done that. Take my word, this is one of the best moves you can make at this time.

Response by CWO3 Doug Steward made Sep 9 at 2015 1:20 PM

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I stayed in past 20. During casual conversation with friends who got out before 20 they start out by saying how great everything is and by the end the discussion they regret their decision. It's usually for financial reasons.

Response by A1C George Lyda made Sep 9 at 2015 1:23 PM

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I had to get out Honorable Discharge for Hardship reasons. Both my parents were disabled, not getting enough money to survive. I gathered proof from their Doctor of their conditions. My younger brother was to young to work. I had been sending 1/2 of my checks home, but I was only an Airman, then A1C, this being in 1982 so I was of little help. After gathering all the pertinent information I informed my Supervisor to double-checked as much of the information as possible, then wrote me a Good Recommendation, had me go to the First Sgt who had a lot of questions to ask, then all this information when to the Commander of Supply who approved, I then had to go to HQ's Personnel with all the information and recommendations. My Father-in-law provided proof that I 100% had a civilian job waiting on me where he worked and I would be making three times what I was in the military, they out-processed me in a day. Per Diem to get from HAFB Homestead to South Carolina was barely enough to the penny to get myself and the wife home. I wish EVERYDAY that I could have finished my time in the service, but with a MOS change. It haunts me to this day, but family is extremely important. Hope this helps some.

Response by PO2 John Crutchfield made Sep 9 at 2015 1:48 PM

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I have a friend, who is an AF Major, who transitioned two months ago. He is a very bright guy with multiple degrees and had a high level clearance. Unlike you, he was forced out. I was talking to him just yesterday and he said that he's put out over 100 applications for jobs all over the US. He's had phone interviews, online interviews, and in-person interviews, but has not yet landed a job. I suggested that he "network" with former civilian and govt contractors at the different installations he served at. He is going to do just that, but it still doesn't change that he's currently out of a job. Just an FYI. Good luck to you, SGT Baker

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Sep 9 at 2015 2:04 PM

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It would help to know more about your career, grade/rank, education, experience and age. Why? Depending on where you are in your career (time wise in earning retirement benefits, you'd be smart to hang around, especially if you get out at 20 and have a disability. Get a retirement from the Army and disability pay from the VA. The higher your grade/rank, the more appealing to recruiters, due to your leadership and management activities. Your work experience; depending on your line of work and location you plan on living, work isn't as plentiful as the government would like you to think, unless you want to work retail, sales or flip burgers. As far as your age, since we are living longer, consider two retirements, one from the military at 38-42 and another from post military activities. At a minimum, would recommend staying in the reserves! Since laws are now in action regarding employers maintaining work positions after your service, makes sense to keep both jobs! Now, something else you should be mindful on that most won't speak of, your timing could not be worse with your ETS being during an election year. Jobs normally get out on hold for some company's be cause the economy will shift either for the better in the government if a Republican gets into office or for the civilian if a Democrat gets into office. Do your research either way...! Best of luck on this one, especially if you have a family and kids!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 2:07 PM

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Well make sure you have a career plan and not a job plan.
There is a difference. ACAPs job is just to get you out the door, so dont expect too much.

In my own opinion getting out between now and 2017 is the perfect opportunity to land a great career. Baby Boomers should start retiring next year.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 3:16 PM

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Unless you have a high demand job on the outside, don't get out. It's difficult to find a good paying job on the outside. Develop your job skills, get better at what you do, and then if its right get out. Just remember that the longer that you're in, the last app you are to get out. There are many things that you need before you get out. Get yourself a good education. If you can, get a bachelor's degree. Find the right jobs.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 3:24 PM

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Only you know if it's time to punch.

Best advice I can give you is that if it's just become a job, it's probably time to punch.

Also if you do punch make sure you use your education benefits when/if you get out.

Not much help I know, but joining, staying, or leaving is a personal decision.

Response by Capt Ron Kuhlman made Sep 9 at 2015 4:02 PM

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I believe you've answered your own question when you say, "I can't imagine life w/0 the military." Stay until you can imagine yourself out of service. Also, people are saints, sinners and asses in AND out of the military: people are the same, a different setting won't change that.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Sep 9 at 2015 4:15 PM

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Make a list of the benefits and the negatives of your current Job
Take a leave go find a job that beats what you have , if you cannot find a job that leads to a career that beets what you have come off leave and reenlist.

Response by SSG Catherine Jenkins made Sep 9 at 2015 4:43 PM

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I ETS'd out of active duty as a SSG with 13 years. For me it has been worth it. I'm in law school and looking forward to doing something worthwhile that will pay well for the hard work. That was my plan when I got out and it works for me but make sure you have something that will work for you. Like a lot of people have said, there are pros and cons of staying or going. If you stay in make it worth your time. Do the fun things but really look at your education. You've got time to make a good plan to ETS or you can re-up. I have class mates that will be graduating with six digits worth of college loan debt. With the GI Bill, you have a lot of options! If you don't want to do college than look at some technical training. My advice is figure out where you want to go, that will pay enough to make it worthwhile. The military boots you eventually whether it's in a year or 20.

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Sep 9 at 2015 6:05 PM

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If you chose to get out, make sure that you have a plan. Many folks fail because they get out without a plan and find out that the outside is harder than they thought. Don't get out just because you are tired of the military bullsh**. There is plenty of that on the outside too. The other advice I would give is that if you do get out consider joining the Guard or Reserves. There many advantages to maintaining your connection to the military.
However, you are doing the right thing by thinking about it now and seeking advice.
Good luck.

Response by CAPT Douglas McDonald made Sep 9 at 2015 7:23 PM

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There is the reserves ❗️❗️

Response by MCPO Rafael Douglas made Sep 9 at 2015 7:28 PM

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The decision is yours and yours alone, of course if you are married, then you will have to consult with your better half. I spent 35 year in the military, and have no regrets, what I recommend is the following; it all depends on the MOS you have,if it is one that looks good with regards to promotion; then you should consider staying in. Ask yourself, why do you want to stay in or for that matter, why do I want to get out. I worked for 14 months after I got out, quit and never went back to work, my retired pay as well as my disability is more than enough to do what I want to do; think very wisely before you make that decision, as I mentioned earlier, I have no regrets!.

Response by SPC Andrew Griffin made Sep 9 at 2015 7:33 PM

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If your having a Prosperous Experience: Stay In! If you are having a bad: Maybe you should consider getting out!

Response by Sgt Byron Shaw made Sep 9 at 2015 8:01 PM

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Something said I down voted but I didn't down vote anything on purpose. I separated after 4 years active duty. I did go to school and obtained my nursing degree and RN license but I wish I would have gone back in. My reasons for separating were family related but looking back I should have stayed. 25 years have passed and my civilian career has been rewarding but I feel it could have been better. Think about it carefully.
Regards,
Byron

Response by MSG John Wirts made Sep 9 at 2015 8:04 PM

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Well I too had that decision decades ago, I enjoyed the military, but I decided to leave active duty. I had been stationed in Germany, I could not locate any relatives in Germany but I liked the country. I had relatives I visited in Norway, my dilemma was should I ETS in Europe, and take a yea to travel before returning to the States. I decided against it, I reasoned I could assimilate too easily, Then If I stayed in Europe I would never return, so I came home. I looked for a National Guard or Reserve unit to join. I enjoyed many great experiences in the Army and Air Force. I had several enjoyable civilian jobs during that time. I earned Military retirement, Civil Service retirement, and an AT&T retirement,and Social Security retirement. I feel very blessed to have served in many fine units, with many fine people. I also saw the civilian side with both Civil Service, and Private Companies. It is definitely not for every one, but explore all options, and consider carefully before disguarding any of them. I wish you all the best.

Response by SPC Private Murphy made Sep 9 at 2015 10:18 PM

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It depends, are you squared away? Are you ready to keep a job, or to get that degree? I didn't that get that much rank, but I ets'd, signed up for my GI Bill and knock it all out; I got a job within the first month at a factory for a little extra cash. I'm a Special Ed Teacher now, making CPT money and only working 6mths a year. I'm happy. So, I ask again, Are you squared away?

Response by SGT Werner Fenner made Sep 9 at 2015 10:43 PM

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It depends on the person & situation. I got out because of family medical issues & I didn't like moving around, but I did go Army Reserve though & retired from there I would do it all over again. If you do get out definitely go to the Transitioning Training they will help you find a job in the civilian world, by training you on how to interview & other helpful hints. Its also a good way to network, speaking of networking get yourself a LinkedIn Profile. If you don't like what you are doing reclassify to another MOS or if you want to be at another place transfer, which can be done but it is hard. Start looking at Government jobs that you will fit right in with your experience & training, especially if you have Security Clearance.

Questions you have to ask yourself:
How many years till I retire?
Do I have a solid plan/job once I get out?
Do I like what I do?

Response by SPC Clifford Adams made Sep 9 at 2015 11:13 PM

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I would stay in unless you have an iron clad job. It's not easy out here as a veteran.

Response by CW3 Richard Mann made Sep 10 at 2015 5:17 AM

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I enlisted at 17. I was convinced that 20 years was a lifetime. I did not retire and now in my mid 50's, I regret it everyday. I could have been collecting a check since I was 37 like many of my friends. Life would be so much easier today. Of course now I know, 20 years is but a blink in a life.

Response by SMSgt Cary Baker made Sep 10 at 2015 9:59 AM

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Sgt - I had the great privilege of meeting Retired CMSgt of the Air Force, Chief Perrish. He personally spoke with every Airman he could - asking them, where they were from, how their careers are going, and if they were planning to re-enlist. Many of those Airman were not sure. Chief's words were - separating was absolutely good as long as you have a plan. In other words - separate because you served your country and its time to move on to bigger and better things in life. He ask them - do you have a job lined up, are going to college, etc. Bottom line Sgt - do you have a plan?

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2015 10:27 AM

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I recently ETS'd about a year ago. My advice, if your thinking about getting out, and have a job lined up on the outside, then go for it. Start your ACAP and make sure that you're aware of all your benefits and take full advantage of them. It's good to start the process now with about a year left on your contract, and if you decide to go ahead and re-up at least you'll have some idea about the whole process to help out your Soldiers in the future. Also don't forget about the National Guard/Reserves. I'm glad I joined with a unit in my hometown, because it definitely helps to ease the transition back into civilian life. Good Luck.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2015 12:58 PM

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Go Warrant and stay in.

Response by MSgt Mark Phelps made Sep 10 at 2015 1:04 PM

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SGT Baker, two things. 1st and foremost is if you dont have a plan for employment do not get out. You will not find an equivalent civilian job that has the pay and benifits that you now enjoy. It will take a lot of time in a civilian job to spin up to what you are used too now. 2nd If this tells you anything I got out of the Airforce after 4 years of active duty. Missed it so bad after a year I Joined the Reserves, that was 22 years ago. Good luck Soldier and thank you for serving.

Response by Cpl Brian Schwarm made Sep 10 at 2015 1:07 PM

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Best decision I've made to get out, I'm going to school I've got a well paying job, not even needing the GI bill thanks to good pay, and employer assistance is nice too. I'll probably start using it once I go to a university instead of community college. The freedoms as a civilian are amazing and believe me, depending on the job you get, you will find plenty of vets to shoot the shit and share stories with, and most non vets love the stories too, a couple times I've felt misunderstood, but everyone loves your work ethic too. I feel like you take no freedom that you didn't have in the service for granted anymore, you appreciate life on a whole new scale and it's much easier to date and start a family and find friends that aren't going to be around you 24/7 too

Response by SSgt Dan Rivett made Sep 10 at 2015 1:32 PM

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I wouldn't ETS unless I had a job that will pay about what you are getting now. I regret getting out and wish I would have stayed, the retirement would be nice for the house payment and I would have been able to retire early form the civilian job before 60yrs and do more while still young.

Response by CMSgt Cliff Wagner made Sep 10 at 2015 1:36 PM

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FYI! I have a friend who stayed in USAF to retire with 20 years, just had a medical bill of $45,000 and he paid $25.00. Not a bad deal! Retirement has significant benefits!

Response by SrA Nick Skinner made Sep 10 at 2015 2:02 PM

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I just spoke with an Airman about this a few months ago. I told him that the key to a successful transition is to have a vision. Those who fail once they get out are those who don't have a plan. If you don't know what you want to do when you get out, you are going to lose direction and end up miserable. If you know that you want to go to school, do a specific job, or work at a certain company, you'll do fine. Just know that there are a LOT of support groups that help veterans transition and schools also have a lot of support and education programs.

Also, use your family as support. Keep your family and friends close. Lean on them to help you transition. Try to build a second group of friends outside of the military so that you can be exposed to what "normal people" do on a regular basis.

Good luck and God bless.

Response by CWO3 Warren Gaudreau made Sep 10 at 2015 2:10 PM

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This all depends on your personal situation. After retirement 23 years ago, I miss the control of the environment and the people I served with. It was somewhat of a shock working with non-military people who were less than committed to their coworkers. Don't expect them to be true comrades. The family separations I could have done without. If you do get out, I recommend any schooling assistance you can get.

Response by Sgt Christopher Colbert made Sep 10 at 2015 2:28 PM

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I say it's time to have a NCO forumn to discuss those things

Response by SFC Deborah Ayers made Sep 10 at 2015 2:30 PM

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I stayed for 20. Looking back I realize that my time in the military was the best for me. If you love what you do stay. There is no comparison in the outside world to the experience you gain in the military. I wouldn't trade my time for anything.

Response by CW3 Tommy Daniel made Sep 10 at 2015 2:42 PM

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You have been given some very valuable advise but the thing you need to do is to follow your heart. We can give you all the advise about what was good for us, but you need to decide what is best for you. If you look forward to getting up excited every day to do your job, stay where you are. If not, get out.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2015 2:43 PM

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I have been out for almost 2 months now and im starting the job search now and its very surreal. You really have to be motivated and have a skill set or a plan to go to college when you get out. Having a plan is the best advice i can give you and just know there are so many places you can find a job at if you get.out. If you have a lot of debt i would strongly suggest staying in the military and pay it.off and.then after your next enlistment is up and you are close to being debt free and still want.to.get out then def do it! I enjoy the free time i have to spend with family. Good luck!!

Response by Sgt Felix Mourelo made Sep 10 at 2015 3:46 PM

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STAY IN. THE BENEFIT FOR STAYING WILL BE WELL WORTH IT. THE OUTSIDE WORLD IS UNFORGIVING ND REGARDLESS OF THE JOB YOU'LL DEAL WITH THE SAME BS OUTSIDE AS IN BUT WITH OUT RETIREMENT BENEFITS IN THE CIVILIAN WORLD AT A YOUNG AGE. WISHED I'D STAY AND WHEN I WANTED TO RE-UP cLINTON SAID NO SINCE AT THE TIME HE WAS REDUCING OUR FORCES SO STAY IN. TRUST ME YOU'LL BE GLAD YOU HAVE

Response by Sgt Randy Linder made Sep 10 at 2015 3:55 PM

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It really depends on how much you love being in. In my case, I loved being in the Corps but, my body did not care so much so that it gave out and broke. I'm doing OK as a Veteran/Civilian, but there isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish I were back/still in.

Response by Cpl Paul Smith made Sep 10 at 2015 3:57 PM

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The decision is all yours. Gather the facts and do your homework. Weigh out the pros and cons of each option and make an informed decision. Otherwise, flip a coin or try rock-paper-scissors. There are advantages to both lifestyles, yes you will miss the day-to-day military regimen and your brothers and sisters that support you, but there are lots of veterans outside and we will welcome you into our civilian family. You will have a chain-of-command to follow and a dress code. You may still travel overseas or during the week, depending on the job you get or may find a job that is Monday through Friday with weekends and holidays off. Will you miss the military, I can guarantee that you will have separation anxiety, especially if you are enjoying what you do and where. But, like every adventure, you have to move on someday. It can wait another 4 years or 16 years, depending on what your personal goals are. If you do all this and still aren't really sure, try reenlist in for 3 years and reevaluate then.
Sorry, there is no easy answer, we each have our own path to follow. Ooh rah!

Response by SGT Cliff Gray made Sep 10 at 2015 4:16 PM

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I ets'ed 30 years ago I have a good life outside of the military.Many people consider "that I have made it" close to retirement and its a good retirement I will be able to do what I want ,live pretty much anywhere, but truthfully I have missed the army's Be All You Can Be attitude also the comradeship It simply does not exist outside. Do as little as you can seems to be the motto and whats in for me is the rule ,,not being cynical but I have owned my own company for 30 + years and have seen the quantity of people go thru the doors The military is demanding but they give back so much Its a life that I have missed many many times

Response by PO2 Christopher Taggart made Sep 10 at 2015 5:16 PM

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You may wanna stay in with poor economy and downsizing now is better time to make full use of those free offered training programs and skills that will better your chances on the civilian side of the world. Plus you can travel at Government expense and choose what areas have more to offer all paid for. Cannot do that when you are on straight salary and no good benefits any longer?

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made Sep 10 at 2015 5:27 PM

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i will echo everyone else and have a plan because civilian life is a complete 180 degree from military life.
i will give you the advice that my first sgt gave me 20 years ago.
if you have less than ten years in then go ahead and get out,
but if you have hit the ten year mark go ahead and stay in for the 20 year retirement

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Sep 10 at 2015 5:43 PM

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I can tell you I ETS'd because I was sick. My plan was to go see a civilian doctor in the States, get well and then reenlist in armored cavalry before my enlistment expired. I cashed in about 45 days of terminal leave and went home and. . . I was diagnosed with Crohn's Disease which ruled out another enlistment. The adjustment from the service life to civilian life is like Superman giving up his powers for Lois Lane in Superman II and becoming just Clark Kent. In the military, whether you realize it now or not, you actually live a fast life and you have stuff to do every day. As a civililan, that world STOPS. Time stops. Life stops. I tried to join my Dad in his business but I just did not have the same skillsets or the same interests. Ultimately, in order to move forward, I had to do what I did by enlisting and that was to make my own decision to get out of my parents place, use my GI Bill and go to college in a place where I would be on my own but the parents a phone call away if I needed them. Today, my Dad is a retired aviation machinist. I am a Certified Public Accountant who has worked in many areas of finance up and down the West Coast. Even though the pay is great, the best job I will ever have is that of Lance Missile Crewmember (Field Artillery!!!) 24 years ago! BOOM!!!!!

Yesterday, I posted a picture of a tank on Facebook and the tank is submerged almost to the turret. I posted that this reminds me of Max (one of my Sergeants) and the LT when Max took the LT four-wheeling in a Hummer during a FTX and for some reason slowed before getting into the water and killed the engine! After laughing our asses off and calling them names, we finally backed the track in and pulled them out. We had to call Maintenance and get another Hummer. Max commented, "Good times, my friend. Good times indeed." Even though we moved on, we always remember a job we loved.

Response by SSgt William Davies made Sep 10 at 2015 6:05 PM

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i don't know what skills you have but good jobs in the civilian world are still hard to find, if you enjoy the military life you should stay! i ended up at the Post Office and i love my job and the benefits are good but nothing beats going to work and knowing you are protecting this great nation!!!

Response by Sgt Pedro Jauregui made Sep 10 at 2015 6:10 PM

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I ETS'd out of the military about 5 years ago and truth be told I really did miss it. I did mess up a little and didn't set solid plans for when i got out. Like employment and housing, but with some hard work i did make it happen (like we all do). But instead of getting back in I found a job that allowed me to continue to work with Veterans and now i am an Outreach Worker for the United States Veterans Initiative. This gives me the brother-hood that i missed from the Marine Corps and allows me to give back to our brothers and sisters in arms. Good Luck Brother!!!

Response by LCpl Lee Martin made Sep 10 at 2015 6:27 PM

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If you "love it" stay if you "like it" move on.

Response by Sgt Terry W Drake made Sep 10 at 2015 6:54 PM

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reenlist if they will make it possible for you to become an officer; otherwise no!

Response by SGT Roger Childs made Sep 10 at 2015 7:11 PM

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Honest answer is it's tough. It's hard to beat the military with BAH BAQ and the pay.

Response by SPC Chris Martin made Sep 10 at 2015 7:37 PM

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Having a job is a nice plan, but is it a job you love doing and see yourself doing for years. If it is not doing something you love, you will regret getting out. Have a plan and don't settle for whatever is available. I would also look into the various service organizations in your area such as VFW or American Legion. You may find that you will enjoy being around other former military and then you may not like those particular organizations in your area. Find one that you enjoy and one that does various activities in your area. Civilian life has its advantages, but so does military life. Weigh your options.

Response by SGT Jason Jefferson made Sep 11 at 2015 2:55 AM

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It is what it is. The economy is still in limbo, if your in line for a promotion, I would say stay. When I left, I had this idea I would be working a regular 9-5, which I don't. I was able to find a great job with a large telecommunications company, but now I realize why they are so keen on hiring Vets. 6-7 days and 14 hour work days. I was making almost the same as an E-5 with BAH. But at least I know I can call in sick if need be. Pros and Cons, I guess

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Sep 11 at 2015 3:59 AM

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I would suggest going reserves or Guard. It kind of puts you half way out, and leaves you the option of going back if you want it. It would also prevent a break in service.

Response by CW3 Rhonda Boswell made Sep 11 at 2015 8:06 AM

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SGT Baker,
I served 21 years. I currently receive my retirement. I enjoyed being in the Military. I retired in 2008. I miss it everyday. I miss the trust, friendship and loyalty of all those that I served with. I have not found that same friendship or loyalty as a civilian. I find the civilian world a lonely place. Those that have never served do not understand your language. I would suggest staying in, time will fly by, One day you will receive a retirement check, then you can find a new career. Finding a job is not as simple as you think. Most jobs that you think you are qualified for, you are under qualified, other jobs you are overqualified. Companies do not hire you just because you are prior military. Make sure you have a Solid Plan.
Good Luck
Rhonda Boswell, CW3 Retired

Response by COL Andrew Burns made Sep 11 at 2015 10:41 AM

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They question is since you REALLY enjoy the military, have you taken advantage of the NCOES system to set yourself up for future success? If not, others are marching on and becoming more competitive, while you are stagnating? Is your family onboard with your decision-making process. If you want the best of both worlds, you CAN go into the Reserves or National Guard. You can also go into the AGR Program and that might provide more stability for the family. Civilian life (in these times) might be even more challenging than you thought. If you still have that HOOAH determination you will make it either way. Hope that this helped?

Response by SGT John Gilbert made Sep 11 at 2015 11:34 AM

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I was in for 6yrs, and 6mths after i got out i regreted it and have regreted it every since. stay in get your 20 at least.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2015 3:00 PM

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I am with everyone else, and have to say that if you have a solid plan then you will be fine. I would say that you need to keep your options open and not limit yourself to one area of the country or one profession. If law enforcement interests you then you need to be looking around seeing what is out there for you. I am currently about a year out from getting out after 8 years and the decision was not easy to make, but I have starting putting feelers out there and have a interview when I go home on leave here in a few weeks even though I have a year out I have friends that are helping me set things up. I have talked to friends that have gotten out recently and they have had no issues with employment and other than the usual adjustment of being a civilian again they are perfectly happy.

Response by SGT Del Lavature made Sep 11 at 2015 4:25 PM

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Swarovski Optik is hiring a customer service/ sales rep

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2015 8:04 PM

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I'm sure it's different for everyone. I left the Air Force, spent two years out while trying to join the Army, and I hated it. I felt like I was a fish out of water and I didn't belong in that world; I didn't want to be a civilian to that extent but the Army was a long process.

Don't get me wrong, the first 6 months or so were awesome: pure freedom (which wore off quickly). After that, I felt like I had no real purpose in life. I was extremely greatful when everything worked out and I could re-enter the military.

I hear mixed responses from others who have gotten out, it really depends on what you want and what kind of person you are. A bad day in the military beat an average day as a civilian for me though.

Response by LtCol Norman Stahl made Sep 11 at 2015 11:52 PM

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Speaking as Career Counselor and a Marine, I think the answer to your question is in your post: "I can't imagine life without the military." It is a rare gift to have a job you love. I would recommend re-enlisting.

Response by MSgt Joe Tafoya made Sep 12 at 2015 3:39 PM

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When I was drafted in 1971 it was almost impossible to get out of the service. Now days you are lucky if they keep you. When I was activated for Enduring Freedom I made a good bit of money more than my civilian job and I was comfortable with what I made as a civilian. If you hate all the BS that comes from the military, I say get out. If you can take the BS I say stay in. I'm collecting my military retirement and the extra retirement money is great. I was drafted and active duty Army during "Nam and I waited 10 years before joining the CB's (Navy) at a friends suggestion. Transferred to the Air Force and they let me volunteer to go all over the world, loved it. Especially all the firefighting missions I volunteered for. I see all the fires in the news now and think, "I wish I was still in so I could help out." If you don't want to stay in please consider the reserves. If you don't like it just say, "I quit" and you will be gone fast. It's now harder to stay in the service than to get the 'boot' out Whatever your choice, thank you for stepping up for our county and I wish you only the best in your future.

Response by SSG Brad Walden made Sep 12 at 2015 6:38 PM

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Hey Sarge,
I've been out for 25+ years now, and it ain't a pretty picture. How much time served do you have? If you're near or over the 10 year mark, stay for your 20 and retire. That way, you'll have a much better basis (vet benefits, medical, dental, post privileges) that most don't get right away, if at all. Think it over carefully though, especially if you have a young family. This will be a difficult choice, so do what you feel is the best for you and yours.

Response by PO1 Karl Heckman made Sep 12 at 2015 9:27 PM

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I understand that it's a big decision, but I'll say I'm a little sad about some of the responses. There is a preponderance of "you'll never have it so good" as in the service. that's advice coming from scarcity, a very military trait. "Don't fuck up" is a sad way to live life. No one can decide what you will make of the future.
My point is that If you stay in, your future is completely mapped out. You decide; up to you or up to them.
It's that fundamental. Do what you think is best for you.

Response by PFC Kevin Chadwick made Sep 12 at 2015 11:46 PM

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Different world due to time and rank both - when I transitioned to civilian life in 1994 it was a really good decision for me - I was not mature enough to be in the Army and had gotten into financial trouble due to irresponsibility, which led to trouble with the Army - they were more interested in punishing me for my poor decision making with my personal finances than they were in helping me straighten it out. I had a few senior NCOs that in hindsight and being as honest as I can were promoted simply because it was less paperwork than it would have been to force them out after they reached RCP - and they had power and ego issues to go with it despite a total lack of competency, leadership, or judgement. After leaving I went to college on my own dime (still paying for that one) but now, 20 years later, I am very happy. Had I decided to become a career soldier I don't know if I would have been in a position to be as happy. That's a lot, and like I said - if you are E5 you have been in longer that I was already - and while there are things that I miss and still reminisce about, I think overall it was best that the Army and I parted ways when we did - I felt like a target rather than an asset, and they saw me as a problem rather than an opportunity. I think they missed out, because I am and always have been loyal, patriotic, and moral. I would have made a good soldier if my superiors would have been patient and given me a chance to grow up a bit before slamming me for making 20-year-old kid type decisions! I never got into any real trouble, but I was singled out and made miserable - perhaps my NCOs thought that the best way to get me in line was to treat me like a criminal - never know I guess - and of course 1994 and 2015 - different army, different rank, different people, different times - so I don't know how helpful this will be but there it is! Good luck whatever you choose!

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Sep 13 at 2015 12:12 PM

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1. Try to save a bit of money over the next year so you have a few months expenses in the bank. That will help you if/when the government checks stop coming and take some of the pressure off in deciding on a new job.
2. Pay attention to your first year's taxes after you leave. My first year after retirement included a bit of an unpleasant surprise when I paid my income taxes.
3. The government will store your household goods for up to one year and pay once to move them to your home of record. After that, it's on you. Don't let that go to waste.
4. Look around a bit to gauge the job market wherever it is you're thinking of living. You can also examine cost of housing and other living costs in prospective places to live.
5. Do not sell your leave back to the government; take advantage of your leave and use it. If you sell your leave you won't get BAH or any of the other entitlements above basic pay, which really add up to a tidy sum. Use your leave, don't sell it.
6. I don't know your marital situation, but if you are married and have a family, this must be a family discussion with everyone engaged in the discussion.
Best Wishes for whatever you decide and thank you for serving our country.

Regards,
Hugh Blanchard

Response by SPC Jeff Lamica made Sep 13 at 2015 2:17 PM

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I was the master shammer E4, and couldn't wait to end my groundhogs day life in the army. The grass was gonna be greener, the beer colder, and the sun warmer. Come to find out, I didn't have a single fucking plan, which is mistake 1, as most people have stated. #2 is that the grass isn't always greener on the civilian side...sometimes there isn't even grass to begin with. Third is that the there is going to be a big hole in what used to be your waking hours. In the army, you are always doing something, going somewhere, and bitching about nothing in particular. You have friends, a place to sleep that is free, shitty free-ish food, all the basic amenities, plus a decent pay check. NONE of those things are guaranteed on the outside. The positive side is that you get to make you. You can get a job, go to school, go back home, go wherever you please, and do whatever you want now. It just depends on what you value in life. I'm fairly materialistic, and enjoy having cool toys to play with, and I'm terrible with my finances. Schools not a bad option, and it opens a lot of doors, and it is pretty interesting. Though you may find yourself bored to tears, because out here, you gotta find your own task and purpose. Basically in the army, your life revolves around your job, in the civilian world, you get kind of separate the two with varying levels of effectiveness. Find out why you want, find out if the outside world can get you that, make a plan (numerous plans, they're all gonna fail at some point), and execute. For everyone it's different, I miss it, you may ritualistically burn all your uniforms while laughing your ass off out of hatred of the big green weeny...

Response by Cpl Philip Medina made Sep 13 at 2015 10:15 PM

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I don't know what an ETS, but I know what an EAS is.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2015 9:42 PM

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In 1992 I ETS'd and shortly there after started to regret it. I have since rejoined (in 2008 after a 16 & 1/2 year break) as a reservist and am glad to be back in and to be a part of the army. There are always day's that I would rather be some where else but the comradery that can be found among soldiers can't be found any where else in the world.

Response by Sgt Victor Smith made Sep 16 at 2015 9:12 PM

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I got out in 95. No problem with the transition, I now am part owner of a electrical contracting company. However I miss the Corps daily. I don't miss the b.s. but the people the mission the way of life yes. If you like what you are doing or can make a lat move I would stay. There may be days you hate it, but guess what it's no different out here and sometimes I think it's worst. My two cents. Semper Fi.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2015 2:39 PM

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SGT Baker, you could always consider the Army Reserves, then you would have both worlds...

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Sep 18 at 2015 10:01 AM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member, I would say stay in. One of my biggest regrets in life is that I got out of the Army.
On the other hand, if you hate it, you shouldn't make yourself miserable either.
The important thing is that you are able to be happy with your decision.
It is your life.

Response by CW2 Michael Berthiaume made Sep 24 at 2015 1:20 PM

2015-09-24T13:20:42-04:00

Start Networking with Companies & People back "Home" or wherever you wish to move back to. Know the Job field you want to work in and start building Connections back in those areas. Definitely get into T.A.P.S. as soon as you can, at Transition Center and learn about Resume building and Keywords to use in it. Veteran Preference is a wonderful thing if you look to take a Govt job and can scout your job market on http://www.usajobs.com

USAJOBS - The Federal Government’s Official Jobs Site

This is a United States Office of Personnel Management website. USAJOBS is the Federal Government’s official one-stop source for federal jobs and employment information.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Oct 1 at 2015 4:18 PM

2015-10-01T16:18:31-04:00

What was your final decision?

Response by CPT Mark McBride made Oct 8 at 2015 10:51 AM

2015-10-08T10:51:19-04:00

Getting out of the Army will be one of the biggest changes in your life, much like joining the military. I found the whole thing to be a massive learning experience, and I am still learning and figuring things out. I wrote a book about getting out of the military in hopes of telling the transitioning Veterans all the things I wish I had known before I got out.

If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't get out yet. I don't think you should get out until you no longer see yourself in uniform. There are many things you will miss from the military, and they are not easily replaced in the civilian world. The best transition is one that is on your terms.

If you would like to get an idea of what the transition might be like, read Outskies: The complete guide to getting out of the military.

Response by SSG Antonine Galvan made Oct 15 at 2015 1:15 PM

2015-10-15T13:15:23-04:00

Stan I wish I would've

Response by SPC Steven Sciotto made Oct 21 at 2015 3:34 PM

2015-10-21T15:34:58-04:00

Re-up for 6 more years of active duty, and then get out and join the workforce - or you'll spend the next 5 years unemployed. Nothing on the outside will change until the next president has an opportunity to implement policies designed to grow the economy; which is what's needed to create more jobs. Take a college course or two while you're still in, if you can...make sure it's at an accredited school - not University of Phoenix or some other BS institution that's there solely to take your GI Bill money...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2019 12:20 AM

2019-05-22T00:20:01-04:00

Not sure if people ever do updates on questions like this but...I ended up getting DA selected for Drill Sergeant and decided to do it. 4 years later and I am still in.

Response by CW5 Saimone Tonga made Nov 21 at 2023 2:13 AM

2023-11-21T02:13:38-05:00

Sir,

Follow your heart, however, reality, I would stay in the military, make a career out of it!
If you’re meeting all the military expectations, doing the right thing, you’re at the fortitude of being a successful soldier.
20 years going so fast than you can retire with a pretty good pension and then do whatever you need to do for the rest of your life. At least you’ll get income indefinitely or until death do your part! Army Strong!!! Go Army

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2023 12:15 PM

2023-12-16T12:15:54-05:00

The original posting was in AUG 2015 and just appeared in my feed.
I would be interested to know what SSG Miranda Baker ultimately decided.
For others who may be reading, if ambivilant about what to do, go talk to your Retention NCO.
FYI, the Retention NCO should know you are close to ETS and should contact you, but don't wait.
There may be an option to extend for the same duty assignment.
Or reenslit to go to a different assignment, or a school that will enhance your career path or change it.
Or reenlist or extend to go to a school keeping same assignment.
If separating, consider going to USAR or ARNG, depending on your MOS and location.
On getting out, my career path was such that getting a job was no problem after retirement.
It felt odd not having to get a DA 31 to travel.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 4 at 2024 5:54 PM

2024-01-04T17:54:27-05:00

How many active duty years under your belt?