I got a Marginal 1059 in WLC years ago. Will this effect me for the rest of my career? Also would it hinder my chances at going warrant?

2016-11-08T14:56:27-05:00

I got a Margial 1059 in WLC . Years ago . I made the E7 list but I'm still being told I can get a SDA like recruiter or drill. Will this effect me for the rest of my career? Also would it hinder my chances at going warrant ? Thanks for professional responses in Advanced.

Response by MSG David Rogers III made Nov 8 at 2016 3:13 PM

2016-11-08T15:13:24-05:00

Depends on whose telling you. A lot of "Sh*t-house" lawyers out there. Apply for whatever you want to do and send it forward. Let the approving authority be the judge!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2016 3:28 PM

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Hell, if you got a Marginal back then but still made the 7 list.....I'd say yer good to go. I mean, how have your 1059's been since then?

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Nov 8 at 2016 3:41 PM

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1SG Private RallyPoint Member First off congratulations on being selected for SFC. 1059s will always be looked but how much weight it has depends on how bad the report and also how close you would be with another applicant for WOC that you would be competing with. An example would be if you are pretty much tied for being selected for WOC, they would look for something that separates the two applicants.

Don't let anything we say hold you back. The worse thing that can happen is they say no. So apply.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Nov 8 at 2016 3:42 PM

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If anything like the Navy, what's missing is what the flesh peddlers and selection boards can and cannot look at; and for what reason. If they can look at it, the comments in Block 14 would be of interest, not so much as the course itself given it's age, but rather what's your current capability and the likelihood you'll do well in the billets you're requesting or in the Warrant side, will you be a good Warrant. Do other 1059s seem to depict the WLC as an anomaly from way back when? You can scrounge around to see if former board sitters or assignors have any tilt on it, but it might not be any more clear. If everyone who got zinged by one marginal piece of paper from way back when, most of the force would be gone by now. Interesting thing, paperwork in service jackets document results and are benign unless there's a Reg that requires some action to be taken, usually a negative action. We'd never see info like a 1058 equivalent in the Navy boards. We're restricted to pedigree info (you passed), Evals, awards, etc. and a very very limited list of disqualifying stuff. And we'd seldom see that either as it usually gets pulled by the staff prior to board convening. Bottom line, consider not overprocessing it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2016 3:46 PM

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I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to ask. Are you saying that an SDA will hurt you? SDAs are good for anyone's career, especially for non-Combat Arms soldiers who usually have fewer opportunities to branch outside their MOS to get that "well rounded" thing boards like. Your marginal 1059 will be considered, but boards things you did as an E-5 have a lot less weight the further you move up.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2016 3:58 PM

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1SG Private RallyPoint Member Only HRC decides if you get selected for a SDA or for Warrant. Put in your packet, worst thing that could happen is that they say no...if that happens, wait some and try it again.

Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 8 at 2016 5:10 PM

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interesting situation

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2016 6:03 PM

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Correction, can't get any SPECIAL DUTY ASSIGNMENTS .

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2016 7:39 AM

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Stop worrying and submit that packet. There are too many soldiers that are afraid of the entire Warrant Officer Accessions process. Just do it!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2016 9:40 AM

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It won't affect your chances at becoming a warrant officer. As long as your record is squared since then you should feel free to apply. I have seen Soldiers with UCMJ on their record 5-10 years ago apply and get selected for WOC. Is it a blemish...yes but the fact that you rose above and improved shows a lot too. Congrats on making the E7 list!

Response by CW3(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2016 11:04 PM

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If you made E-7, I would imagine you're gonna be ok

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 8:30 AM

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I do not believe it will hinder your progress as much as you are led to believe. Every individual has a dip in some area. As long as its not consistent it is understandable. As far as going Warrant it should not interfere because you did pass. Most courses 1059 are you either achieved the goal or you didn't . Warrant school will make you the technician or pilot you need to be you just have to have the aptitude.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 7:22 PM

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I got one at ANCOC years ago... Have since commissioned and taken command... Possibilities are endless just keep pushing.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2016 12:09 PM

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You should want to be a Drill Sergeant. It is the best job I ever had. Congrats on making the lists. The Warrent officer life will always be here.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2016 11:43 AM

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I had the same thing happen to me. I sat at e5 a bit longer than I planned, but I flew through e6, and straight to my 7s. It might hang you up a bit, but I wouldn't worry about it too much. Obviously you've gotten yourself back on track...

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2016 11:51 AM

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When you put your packet in they will look at everything. What they will judge will be "did he learn and improve?" Your other 1059's will show that and also your NCOER's will tell them what kind of NCO you are. What they want is Soldiers who learn from their past and drive hard to improve. I can only see where it would hurt is if there is a choice between you and another and everything is equal and the only difference will be that 1059. So I would not worry to much about it as long as you continue to improve on yourself and strive for perfection in your career.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Mar 24 at 2021 4:09 AM

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It won't help you. But other factors since such as NCOERs and other 1059s come into play.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Mar 24 at 2021 10:05 AM

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It's one blemish over a career. You've had better before and since, and the Army takes into account that sometimes are just $hit raters out there or that you sometimes have an off period. As long as the marginal performance is not consistent and repetitive. The consistent good and the showing of learning and improving since, outweigh and overshadow the one instance of marginal.

I have seen SM's with way worse apply for and get Warrant and other things. Put your packet together and submit it and roll the dice and don't listen to the naysayers, they tend to be wrong unless they are directly quoting from a regulation. As MSG David Rogers III said, put it in and let them decide.