I received a field grade demotion when I was a E5. I am now an E6. Will that article 15 be reported to the E7 board?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 13:15:15 -0500

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Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Jan 5 at 2022 1:47 PM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 13:47:07 -0500

If I remember from my company clerk days, Article 15 paper work stays in your field 201 file until you PCS to another unit. At that point it is removed.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2022 2:23 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 14:23:08 -0500

This is what I found: "Article 15s can affect a soldier’s future. Summarized Article 15s are filed in the local files (at the installation Staff Judge Advocate office) for a period of two years or until the transfer of the soldier, whichever occurs first. Company and Field Grade Article 15s can be filed in the soldier’s official military personnel file (OMPF). The commander in each case decides where to file the Article 15. An Article 15 in a soldier’s official records will affect promotions, clearances, and special assignments."

Depends on how your commander at the time filed it is what I'm reading for field grade Art 15s. I'd find out how it was filed...

Response by SFC Stephen King made Jan 5 at 2022 2:41 PM

SFC Stephen King — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 14:41:08 -0500

Have you requested your records? That being said the time is the issue. If it's been over 5 yrs you may be good. Given the fact the punishment was field grade it may still be a problem. Lastly talk with you CSM ask if you should write a letter to the board.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 5 at 2022 3:14 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:14:11 -0500

Do you have enough NCOER's as a SSG that the NCOER that it's mentioned in won't be in the stack that they review?

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2022 3:33 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:33:49 -0500

1) If your RFC NCOER was in your last five, it'll be visible.
2) If your paper after that has been top notch, I wouldn't really worry about it.

Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Jan 5 at 2022 3:41 PM

CPT Lawrence Cable — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:41:51 -0500

Did the Command that gave the Article 15 file it in the Restricted or Performance part of your OMPF? If you haven't had a prior Article 15 and it is in the Restricted File, the Broad won't see it. If it's on the Performance side, the Board, Commanders, Career Counselors, etc can all see it. If you have had a prior Article 15 as an NCO, if will automatically go into your Performance File.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2022 4:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Jan 2022 16:07:45 -0500

Open your OMPF. Anything that's listed with the suffix of -R will be viewed by the board. So if you have a failed 1059 it will say AER-R, R is for Referred. If your article 15 isn't in your OMPF then the board won't see it

Response by MSG David Lambert made Jan 6 at 2022 9:10 AM

MSG David Lambert — Thu, 06 Jan 2022 09:10:39 -0500

Stays in your file permanently. Depends on the offense. I am totally surprised by your promotion after receiving it. During the 80’s and 90’s, you were automatically not eligible for promotion nor reenlistment. Time have obviously changed. Since you were subsequently promoted after, you may be eligible for further promotions but that depends on the instructions given to central promotion boards convened at the Department of the Army level.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Jan 6 at 2022 3:37 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Thu, 06 Jan 2022 15:37:11 -0500

I don't know much about today's Army policies - ETS'd Dec '78. I did read other replies though and see that it "could" be seen. That said, I'd hope that, since you got the Art 15, and since have been promoted, that MIGHT serve to help you, especially if you're received awards or other accolades that might also be viewable to the E7 Board.
Most everyone makes a mistake or two during their career. I knew a SGT/E-5 who was busted multiple times, including from E-7. He was busted to SP4 (ole SPC rank) prior to E-5. He retired as an E-8. He was also one of the best NCO's I served with - an E-5 when I met him.

Response by SPC Tim K made Jan 6 at 2022 10:45 PM

SPC Tim K — Thu, 06 Jan 2022 22:45:39 -0500

What was the issue / difference of opinion that resulted in getting this field grade article 15 in the first place?
I once had an Article 15 as an E-2, I don't remember if it was Summary or Company grade, but when I requested my full military file and got it recently (30 years after ETS), it wasn't in there.