I have a co-worker who says they are a veteran but only served 5 months (didn't finish AIT). Would you consider that a veteran?

SPC Elisabeth Goerz — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:36:39 -0500

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2017 11:51 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:51:34 -0500

SPC Elisabeth Goerz depends on the individual. I really find it hard to judge that. I do not know the circumstances that they were discharged. Historically I saw the two types of veteran definitions: 6 years (needed to get some benefits) and combat veterans meaning they deployed to a combat zone.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 12:06 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:06:02 -0500

SPC Elisabeth Goerz It would depend on the circumstances. Here is the VA definition:

http://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/

What is a Veteran? The Legal Definition - VA.ORG

What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as

Response by SPC Elisabeth Goerz made Feb 4 at 2017 12:31 AM

SPC Elisabeth Goerz — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:31:49 -0500

Person was injured (sprained ankle) then got depressed while waiting for it to heal and was given the option for discharge.

Response by SFC George Sease made Feb 4 at 2017 12:41 AM

SFC George Sease — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:41:00 -0500

I would have to say that the person in question cannot be considered a veteran. 1. Did not finish training (AIT), 2. did not get assigned to a unit that was not a training unit . 3. Was not in a combat zone, 4. More than likely did not receive the National Defense Ribbon, 5. Did not receive a ribbon for the Cold War, 6. Their DD214 should be able to answer some interesting questions-like why did they not stay in.
I would have to say that nope. Sparky does not get to be called a veteran.

Response by PO1 Phillip Weekley made Feb 4 at 2017 2:22 AM

PO1 Phillip Weekley — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 02:22:01 -0500

I served five years in recruiting and I remember in our recruiting manual stating that you must have completed 180 days of consecutive service to be considered a veteran.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 3:15 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 03:15:10 -0500

Nope.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 6:17 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 06:17:22 -0500

Getting out after 5 months because you sprained your ankle and got depressed doesn't make you a veteran. Further, it's a slap in the face to people who have done amazing things to earn that title. So no, your coworker is not a Veteran. She's a quitter.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Feb 4 at 2017 7:53 AM

LTC Kevin B. — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 07:53:06 -0500

Technically? I'm not sure.
Philosophically? No. That's like someone calling themselves a football player, when they only tried out for the team and quit before the real practices began.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 7:54 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 07:54:03 -0500

There are combat vets and service Vets. If they signed up, made it half way throw AIT and got seriously injured, then yes, they served honorably until they were physically unable to do so. If they got tossed for being unfit...no.

Response by MSgt George Cater made Feb 4 at 2017 8:41 AM

MSgt George Cater — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 08:41:55 -0500

Technicalities aside, if you don't make it through basic training, you can't honestly say your a veteran of anything except a field trip to a military base.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 9:34 AM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:34:18 -0500

She is a veteran, even if it feels unfair.

Lets not confuse something subjective, like being good or honorable, with something objective--like being a veteran. When you do that, you are confusing thinking with feeling.

My dog is 13 pounds and won't play fetch. Is he really a dog? It is hard to wrap my head around, but he is.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 9:46 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:46:05 -0500

Were they injured in a fashion to require medical retirement? If not, then no.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Feb 4 at 2017 9:47 AM

SSG Jeremy Sharp — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 09:47:09 -0500

It has been awhile since I served but as best that I can remember the veteran status would be determined by the character of their discharge. If they served and were given a general discharge based on a medical/mental condition then technically they would be considered a veteran. I don't recall there being a length or duration of service associated with the determination. Less Than Honorable and Dishonorable Discharge did not qualify.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 10:23 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:23:15 -0500

To me. if they served and did not intentionally do something to avoid continuing. I do not have a problem. If they pushed for release that is another situation.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Feb 4 at 2017 10:48 AM

SN Greg Wright — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 10:48:41 -0500

There is a legal definition. In short, no.

http://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/

What is a Veteran? The Legal Definition - VA.ORG

What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as

Response by SFC George Smith made Feb 4 at 2017 11:55 AM

SFC George Smith — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 11:55:24 -0500

They never got Qualified... and never served a day in an active Unit... thats not a True Vet...

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made Feb 4 at 2017 12:12 PM

SPC Casey Ashfield — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 12:12:07 -0500

Nope. Just because you started training doesn't mean you are a veteran. A friend of my wife's failed her pregnancy test when she showed up at reception for basic. She tried calling herself a veteran too. Didn't go over well for her.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2017 7:12 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 19:12:27 -0500

It would seem that the majority of us view your co-worker is not a Veteran because they chose to not continue with training.

That said your co-worker does have something to be proud of, they tried. Not many Americans even bother to try. I can respect them for trying, but at the end of the day they didn't finish and that is that.

Response by SFC Stanley Taylor made Feb 4 at 2017 9:30 PM

SFC Stanley Taylor — Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:30:31 -0500

no they are not a veteran.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Feb 5 at 2017 11:43 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 11:43:04 -0500

It depends. My daughter didn't complete Basic because of a medical reason (hair line fracture to pelvis). She was released from the Illinois National Guard. She didn't receive any veterans benefits and doesn't consider herself to be a veteran. If your co-worker has an Honorable or General Discharge under honorable conditions entitling them to Veterans benefits, then they are a veteran. If their discharge is under less-than-honorable conditions, no.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Feb 5 at 2017 4:06 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 16:06:48 -0500

It is amazing any person would have the nerve to claim they were a veteran only having been in for 5 months and washed out of basic training. But I guess posers have nerve and are not afraid to see how far they can carry it. I would be ashamed to even mention I was ever in under those circumstances. Just overlook that episode and move on.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2017 10:46 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 22:46:10 -0500

Assuming the individual was discharged it would depend on the type and reason for discharge or separation. The failure to complete AIT could have been a result of an injury received while training that resulted in a disability rating.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Feb 6 at 2017 9:59 AM

Cpl Justin Goolsby — Mon, 06 Feb 2017 09:59:47 -0500

I'm 50/50. Personally, I think if you've never made it to the Fleet, then it doesn't count. But I also understand some schools can be upwards of a year long after boot camp. So if you've completed boot camp, you at least earned your right to represent your branch.

But if he's talking a big game like he's a war hero or something, then no he loses that benefit of the doubt. If you've served, then I will count you amongst my brothers, but if you have to lie to inflate your own ego, then I will walk away from you.

Response by PO1 Pete Sikes made Feb 8 at 2017 1:25 PM

PO1 Pete Sikes — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:25:10 -0500

If he got a DD-214 and not a DD, yes he is a vet.

Response by SrA Jonathan Carbonaro made Feb 8 at 2017 1:40 PM

SrA Jonathan Carbonaro — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:40:02 -0500

No.
I know some people that are the same way. Didn't make it through Bootcamp/Basic etc or Tech school. To me they aren't a veteran.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made Feb 8 at 2017 2:30 PM

SSgt Michael Cox — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:30:52 -0500

For the Feds and some States no they must complete 180 days unless they were medically discharged before that. That being said anyone who volunteered to put on the uniform should be considered a vet since only 1% of us even volunteer.

Response by SGT Ron Egan made Feb 8 at 2017 2:46 PM

SGT Ron Egan — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 14:46:46 -0500

Nope

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 4:11 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 16:11:00 -0500

I do not think it is our place to decide who is and who isn't called a veteran. That is up to the military and what their discharge papers say. Otherwise leave it up to the VA to decide if that person is worth the title of veteran or not.

This issue has been asked a lot and too many people inject their own personal opinions on whether a person should be or shouldn't be a veteran. Let the VA decide.

Response by PFC Phillip Lord made Feb 8 at 2017 5:26 PM

PFC Phillip Lord — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 17:26:47 -0500

Far as I know, they couldn't use the Va with no more time in than that. I was never in combat myself. Received 50% Retirement not long after being stationed at Ft. Devens in the early 80's. Happened when i was 21. I just always made a point to let people know i was never in combat. Can't remember having any problem with Veterans, strange stuff from non military not believing it every now and then. Worked as CNA in War veterans Home , for many years. Never got an insult. I think maybe it's the legitimate respect I have for those who contributed so much more than I did. Your co-worker sounds like a person calling themselves something they aren't.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 6:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:15:22 -0500

It would seem that people only come on Rally Poiny to bitch, moan, and complain. Who cares what some clown is saying. If it doesn't effect your life, then just mind your own business and carry on.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2017 6:20 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 18:20:35 -0500

That's like saying I tried out for the Olympics so that's must make me an Olympian. I say nay, good on him for trying there can be something said for that in our current time of safe spaces in college but at the end of the day he failed to meet standards and did not make it to the active Army.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Feb 8 at 2017 9:19 PM

Jerry Rivas — Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:19:38 -0500

No.

Response by SGT Bonnie White made Feb 9 at 2017 1:25 AM

SGT Bonnie White — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 01:25:16 -0500

I know someone whose son was in the AF, signed up for one MOS and couldn't go through training because he was found to be color blind. He was told he was going to be a training holdover until they could figure out which MOS he could be trained for. He was mad as hell and decided to become a cray asshole. They finally sent him for mental health counseling and chaptered him out, found to be 100% disabled. He went home and enrolled in college, his state picked up the cost of tuition because he served during a time of war, got his 100% disability and then on top of that got his GI Bill money. He was making more than the average worker and never was MOS-Q'd.

Response by SGT James Colwell made Feb 9 at 2017 8:14 AM

SGT James Colwell — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 08:14:43 -0500

My initial response is that this person should not be considered a veteran. The specifics about why he or she was separated may create some technical/legal reasons that would make them a veteran, but having not even become MOS qualified makes it hard for me to think of this person as a veteran. Was this person separated for the good of the service? Honorably discharged? Medical under honorable conditions? I do not know what the current regulations say, but if I was this person, I could not in good conscience call myself a veteran.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2017 9:05 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:05:49 -0500

Someone who didn't make it through IET is NOT a veteran. Someone who didn't make it through their first term of enlistment...eeehhhh... situation dictates. Beyond that, if you served honorably, I'd say that qualifies.

Response by SMSgt Timothy Cathers made Feb 9 at 2017 4:59 PM

SMSgt Timothy Cathers — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 16:59:09 -0500

They served 5 months. They are vets.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 11 at 2017 12:11 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 11 Feb 2017 00:11:41 -0500

Someone who is honorably discharged. But, I see you point... They were never even MOSQd...

Response by Sgt Louis Alpers made Feb 13 at 2017 11:49 AM

Sgt Louis Alpers — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 11:49:24 -0500

When I was in if you did not serve a 180 days consecutive you are not a vet

Response by SPC Joshua Whan made Feb 14 at 2017 7:01 PM

SPC Joshua Whan — Tue, 14 Feb 2017 19:01:09 -0500

No!!! I spent 4 1/2 years, stop loses 1 1/2 years over my ETS date to go a 2nd round in Iraq. No you're not a veteran after 5 months. No way!!!

Response by SP5 Thomas Riska made Feb 15 at 2017 10:10 PM

SP5 Thomas Riska — Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:10:46 -0500

No!

Response by SMSgt Roger Horton made Feb 19 at 2017 11:43 AM

SMSgt Roger Horton — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 11:43:15 -0500

Served 5 months but didn't finish AIT. Don't know Army terms so what is AIT? Is AIT longer than 5 months? Wish individuals would use names instead of acronyms. Different branches have different terms and are not the same for each branch of service and acronyms change or more are created after ones leaves service. To answer the question, I don't have enough information to make an educated guess.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 19 at 2017 2:57 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:57:37 -0500

I agree with you, but what'd the VA say?
I remember 181 days back when I first joined..

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2017 10:08 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:08:51 -0400

You have to serve for at least 2 years to be considered a veteran.

Response by Cpl Justin Sowell made Jun 20 at 2017 12:42 AM

Cpl Justin Sowell — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:42:43 -0400

Generally, most VSO's (Veteran Service Organizations) require their "Veteran" members to have served a minimum of 180 days active duty regardless of how long they served overall. I would say if this individual served the amount of time and was medically discharged then he/she could use the title in moderation with full honesty regarding the circumstances that led to an untimely discharge. However, if the individual was kicked out or quit then I would say they do not qualify period.

Response by SGT Joe Furrow made Sep 24 at 2019 11:29 AM

SGT Joe Furrow — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:29:59 -0400

Not just no but HELL NO!!!!

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Sep 24 at 2019 11:46 AM

SP5 Gary Smith — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 11:46:28 -0400

Of course. Why didn’t he finish?

Response by SGT Matt Mierzejewski made Sep 24 at 2019 12:11 PM

SGT Matt Mierzejewski — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:11:18 -0400

Veteran status is clearly defined. 60 days combat zone, or 180 days non-combat. Both require an honorable /medical discharge for full vet benefits. If you haven't done that, or are still serving active duty, you're not a veteran. Personally, I feel if you can't produce your VA card, you're not a vet. The benefits are there for you, why wouldn't anyone file, even if you're independently wealthy?

Response by CPT Robert Holden made Sep 24 at 2019 12:44 PM

CPT Robert Holden — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 12:44:21 -0400

Technically so long as they admit to their actual history. Plus the phonies are easy to spot

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 1:06 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:06:28 -0400

I’ve been in for four years and still won’t consider myself a veteran until I deploy.

Response by SSG Jess Peters made Sep 24 at 2019 2:42 PM

SSG Jess Peters — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:42:29 -0400

No. Not a veteran. Did not serve 180 days active duty and did not complete training.

Response by SSG Glenn Bear made Sep 24 at 2019 3:48 PM

SSG Glenn Bear — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:48:57 -0400

fuck no

Response by SGT Jason Quarles made Sep 24 at 2019 4:30 PM

SGT Jason Quarles — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 16:30:17 -0400

Fuck no

Response by CPL Shayne Sanchez made Sep 24 at 2019 5:20 PM

CPL Shayne Sanchez — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:20:10 -0400

Nope

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 6:17 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:17:37 -0400

I servered 12 years in the US Army Reserve. Held 3 different MOS's. I was never deployed. I do not consider myself a veteran nor does the Armt.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 6:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:38:50 -0400

Take it up with the VA. 180 days consecutive service. Once you're in IMT, youre in service. IMT isn't some mystical pre-service place; it just means you're in training for the military and/or your occupational specialty.

Response by SGT Scott Swinford made Sep 24 at 2019 6:39 PM

SGT Scott Swinford — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:39:09 -0400

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2019 6:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:39:57 -0400

If you start at McDonald's, your first week or whatever that you're learning how to work the fries and stuff, you still work at McDonald's.

Response by SSG Fred Campbell made Sep 24 at 2019 7:00 PM

SSG Fred Campbell — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:00:20 -0400

nope.

Response by SSG Fred Campbell made Sep 24 at 2019 7:01 PM

SSG Fred Campbell — Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:01:09 -0400

Nope, gotta have that honorable in my opinion...

Response by MSG Michael Kissamitakis made Sep 25 at 2019 12:21 AM

MSG Michael Kissamitakis — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:21:46 -0400

But a vet if he didn’t complete initial entry training - Basic or AIT. Would have received an uncharacterized discharge.

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made Sep 25 at 2019 1:00 AM

CW4 Jim Shelburn — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 01:00:52 -0400

No, but you always find people that tend to exaggerate about their military experience.

Response by PV2 William Rennhack made Sep 25 at 2019 1:12 AM

PV2 William Rennhack — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 01:12:16 -0400

Response by SSG Steve Greenwood made Sep 25 at 2019 1:49 AM

SSG Steve Greenwood — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 01:49:45 -0400

No they are not a veteran, if you are discharged before you complete 180 days on active duty, it is considered an entry level discharge. Like you have never served.

Response by SSgt Ronald Endsley made Sep 25 at 2019 6:33 AM

SSgt Ronald Endsley — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:33:41 -0400

Well you have the Official definition of veteran which is what the government considers a veteran.
I however have heard it put this way, A veteran is someone that wrote a blank check up to and including their life to the American people.
I take no position on whether they are a veteran or not but lives have been lost in training, not many but it has happened.

Response by Sgt Dan Catlin made Sep 25 at 2019 10:36 AM

Sgt Dan Catlin — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 10:36:58 -0400

Technically I suppose that person MIGHT be a veteran. Depends on why they were discharged. However if the person had any sense of honor he/she would not call themselves a vet, regardless the bureaucratic rules covering the title.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2019 12:06 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:06:41 -0400

Nope not at all, one earns that title, you don’t get to quit early and keep the title. Plus it makes you look stupid talking to anyone that really served, or you know made it to there first duty station at least.

Response by SGT John Lossos made Sep 25 at 2019 4:29 PM

SGT John Lossos — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:29:20 -0400

I’d consider that a wash out wanna be.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2019 4:33 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 16:33:34 -0400

Response by PO2 Jay Grubb made Sep 25 at 2019 7:28 PM

PO2 Jay Grubb — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:28:50 -0400

If you didn’t serve 2 years minimum (combat injury shortened terms make you a Veteran) you are not a Veteran

Response by MSgt Curtis Rogers made Sep 26 at 2019 6:01 PM

MSgt Curtis Rogers — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:01:15 -0400

The only facts I can find regarding a definition of Veteran comes from the VA. I don’t think the term is defined anywhere else.

Response by SPC Jack Ryan made Sep 26 at 2019 7:59 PM

SPC Jack Ryan — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:59:10 -0400

Just laugh out loud every time they make a reference to being a veteran. There’s a guy at work that wears all sorts of USMC stuff. Dude never made it out of Boot. I just kinda roll my eyes every time he says “Well back in the Corps...”

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Sep 26 at 2019 8:19 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 20:19:18 -0400

Tough one. Since he finished basic and was not dishonorably discharged, I would have to say yes. The main point for me is that he had the heart to try but could not rise to the expectations.

Response by MAJ Jim Cook made Sep 26 at 2019 10:37 PM

MAJ Jim Cook — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:37:06 -0400

Did he serve 1 day on federal orders, did he receive a honorable discharge on his DD214. If he did he meets the Federal definition of a veteran.

Response by Cpl Ian Phillips made Sep 26 at 2019 10:49 PM

Cpl Ian Phillips — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 22:49:11 -0400

I mean technically but dudes also an ass.

Response by Cpl Ken Beauregard made Sep 26 at 2019 11:34 PM

Cpl Ken Beauregard — Thu, 26 Sep 2019 23:34:19 -0400

Response by SPC Robert Cooper made Sep 27 at 2019 12:39 AM

SPC Robert Cooper — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 00:39:11 -0400

Not at all. You didn't ETS, then absolutely not. Know some like this and I think it's ridiculous!

Response by SSgt Dee O'Connor made Sep 27 at 2019 1:25 AM

SSgt Dee O'Connor — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 01:25:09 -0400

He volunteered, he signed a blank check to give his life. If itd not dishonorable, hes a veteran.

Response by SSgt Dee O'Connor made Sep 27 at 2019 2:00 AM

SSgt Dee O'Connor — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 02:00:50 -0400

After reading rules no AFC. No they never finished training.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Oct 9 at 2019 1:50 AM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 01:50:24 -0400

No. A minimum basic training, completion of AIT training and duty totaling 187 days qualifies as a veteran, at least on paper.

Response by David Bennett made Oct 10 at 2019 12:03 PM

David Bennett — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 12:03:23 -0400

I'd say hell no. That's a low bar to be considered a vet. He may as well have said,"I wore camo shorts as a kid. That makes me a vet."

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2019 2:33 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:33:24 -0400

I served 13 years in ANC-reserve, never deployed. A weekend a month plus and a minimum or 3 weeks every summer, (plus a full and part-time job and raising a family of 5). Received no benefits when I left, due to my husband's health, and that's OK...But I signed the same documents as everyone else, took the same oath and was prepared to deploy within 24 hours. Veteran ?, you tell me.

Response by SFC Bryant Stephens made Oct 10 at 2019 3:03 PM

SFC Bryant Stephens — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:03:45 -0400

In order to be a veteran, you must serve 180 consecutive days. Anything less does not make a vet.
As far as a sprained ankle you can recycle to the nest group below you. Claiming depression makes the Army think you are goin to be a goldbricker and future VA problem.

Response by MSG Chester Beaver made Oct 10 at 2019 3:53 PM

MSG Chester Beaver — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:53:42 -0400

I don't agree fully, but the regulation answer is,Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” if you serve 1 day in the military you are a Veteran. You may get a DD214 with a character of service of "uncharacterized" or a narrative reason for separation of "entry level separation" but you are by law a Veteran. Now what benefits you do or should get, that is another topic.

Response by SGT Stephan Logan made Oct 11 at 2019 8:36 AM

SGT Stephan Logan — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:36:37 -0400

Absolutely NOT ! If you didn’t even make it through your BASIC INITIAL TRAINING then you cannot consider yourself a VETERAN . Seriously what are you a veteran of ? BASIC TRAINING if you consider that as an accomplishment then YES you are a “CONDITIONAL VETERAN **
Whatever that is .

Response by PO3 Paula Fialkoff made Oct 11 at 2019 10:20 AM

PO3 Paula Fialkoff — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:20:46 -0400

It depends why they got out. When I was in, you stayed in until the government said you could get out.

Response by CPL D Malone made Oct 11 at 2019 11:40 AM

CPL D Malone — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:40:04 -0400

In order to be considered a veteran a person must serve at least 180 days to be considered a Veteran. I would go as far to say based on the injured of a sprained ankle, they probably didn’t even receive a medical rating. So no legally the individual is not a Veteran... Back in the day they would have recycled them. But then do you really want a soldier who is depressed due to a sprained ankle? Probably not...

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Oct 11 at 2019 12:04 PM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:04:18 -0400

Not a veteran. However does qualify for being a wimp.

Response by LTC Henry Wadsworth made Oct 11 at 2019 1:27 PM

LTC Henry Wadsworth — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:27:07 -0400

I don't know about now but when you had to serve 180 consecutive days to be considered a veteran.

Response by MSgt Joseph Jones made Oct 11 at 2019 6:38 PM

MSgt Joseph Jones — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:38:15 -0400

I'm a retired 22 year Air Force veteran. However, the requirements to be a veteran doesn't ask how long or why your not still in. The question is have you served and was it an honorable discharge. They answered the call...voluntarily. More than can be said about those who haven't, but claim to be patriotic. Question? What do we label high ranking enlisted and officer's who have sex with there subordinates, kill unarmed enemy combatants, or rape their brother's (female/male) at arms only to retire to escape prosecution? Are they veterans?

Response by SSG Lee Edwards made Oct 12 at 2019 5:25 AM

SSG Lee Edwards — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 05:25:07 -0400

She may have volunteered to serve but found she couldn't hack it and dropped out. It's called Stolen Valor.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2019 10:40 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:40:07 -0400

Generally, a recruit has 6 months to see if they will fail to adapt to military service and have an "out" during that time. Doubt if that qualifies for an honorable discharge… and as of 2015, thats what you need for a veterans ID. https://themilitarywallet.com/veterans-id-card/

Veterans ID Card from the VA - How to Apply for the New VIC

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2019 11:44 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:44:42 -0400

NO.....

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Oct 12 at 2019 12:58 PM

PO1 Tom Follis — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:58:16 -0400

I know a female that went Army Reserve. Never did a day of training. Runs around telling everyone she’s an Army vet.

Response by A1C Ian Williams made Oct 12 at 2019 5:43 PM

A1C Ian Williams — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:43:44 -0400

With that kind of attitude, then don't ask people to enlist with promises of education, domestic bliss and benefits beyond your wildest dreams. Either we are all veterans or then you are very alone out there on the battlefield. That doesn't sound very American. In fact, that sounds like that divisive narrative our foreign adversary sends to infiltrate our conversations. When you choose to serve, you chose America. You are on Team America. Whether 1 day or 50 years, that one decision changes a person forever. Our veterans of several time periods of enlistment have gone on to be pillars of society. They have been leaders and motivators for our civilian brethren. America is called the United States for a reason.

Don't divide and never patronise the sacrifice of ANY veteran.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2019 11:36 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:36:33 -0400

I'd say no unless a service-connected injury caused him/her to be discharged. "Veteran," by definition for most benefits, requires 6 months (180 days) of honorable service. If (s)he dropped out because (s)he couldn't hack it, Veteran status is not legitimate.

Response by CPL Allan Suddeth made Oct 13 at 2019 4:01 AM

CPL Allan Suddeth — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 04:01:26 -0400

As much as I would like to say no, not a veteran, it all depends on if they received a DD214. Were they somehow medically discharged? Or did they get out because they just couldn't hack it? The answer to this would be the DD214.

Response by SSG William Zopff III made Oct 13 at 2019 9:24 AM

SSG William Zopff III — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 09:24:13 -0400

A veterans status begins with the competition of a 180 days of active service. This was the requirement in 1983, and I’m pretty sure it hasn’t changed. My initial tour was with the KY Army National Guard in 1983. Starting 15SEP1983 (BCT/Ft Bliss) to 29NOV1983; 30NOV1983 (AIT 91P/ Ft Sam Houston) to 20MAR1984; 21MAR1984 (OJT/ Ft Knox) to 12MAY1984; so completion of 180 or 6 mons entitled me to claim veteran states and earn a certificate that I could present to borrowers for mortgage applications. If he had completed 180 days of service, then received Medical Release; he would be a veteran. Anything less than 180 days doesn’t make the cut!

Response by PO3 Helen Hill made Oct 13 at 2019 10:07 AM

PO3 Helen Hill — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 10:07:56 -0400

I'm sorry but she is not a veteran.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2019 10:32 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 10:32:21 -0400

As much as it pains me to say it, he (she) is... Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”
The definition of the term Veteran for purposes of compensation, Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) and death pension, see 38 CFR 3.1(d), and Paulson v. Brown, 7 Vet.App. 466, 470 (1995), and groups approved for Veteran status under Public Law (PL) 95-202 and 106-259, see M21-1, Part III, Subpart iii, 2.K.3.
The person may not be entitled to any benefits, but they did all that they could do and try to serve. Life happened.

Response by PO1 Ernie Johnson made Oct 13 at 2019 2:05 PM

PO1 Ernie Johnson — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:05:22 -0400

Ok question do you know if the Army is the only branch of service he was in. Second many are speaking to their feelings and not the letter of the law regardless of branch being the 180 days consecutive service and either a honorable or other than honorable not a dishonorable discharge. I myself spent 2 1/2 years in Army Reserve but that time did not equate to being a veteran because I did not make the 180 days. However the 20 yrs active duty in the Navy did, henceforth the retired status on my name. Again many are speaking from frustration and feelings not letter of law.

Response by SPC Joshua Ulch made Oct 13 at 2019 2:13 PM

SPC Joshua Ulch — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:13:33 -0400

I’ve often wondered if I could call myself a Veteran since I served five lucky years where we did not have any conflicts. My much younger brother has been in a couple “combat” zones although it was hundreds of feet under the water and his sub didn’t fire a single shot. Some of his high school buddies did the same job I had in the Army but went to Iraq. My cousin did four months in the Air Force but was discharged due to injury. My dad retired from the Navy after 20 years and my uncle did 30 years in the Marines.

I consider all of them veterans. If you signed the dotted line and walked the line (I.E. wore the uniform even for a day) you’re a veteran. As long as you served honorably or under honorable conditions, you’re a veteran in my book.

Who am I do argue this point? I enlisted in 95, got out in 00, did every bit of training the Army asked of me and did my my best every time.

I represented less than 1% of Americans that signed up to pay the ultimate sacrifice if needed to defend our country and its citizens.

Anyone else who did this is a veteran.

Response by CPL Keith Jensen made Oct 13 at 2019 5:21 PM

CPL Keith Jensen — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:21:53 -0400

No. I’d say they would have to have finished all training and served at least one year. Also if they have a dishonorable discharge that also disqualifies

Response by Sgt Phil Quintana made Oct 13 at 2019 8:31 PM

Sgt Phil Quintana — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:31:37 -0400

Did the person in question complete their MOS school and serve in the fleet, or whatever the Army calls it? If not, then in my opinion, no.

A recruit platoon mate became an Engineer and after about six months in the fleet was invoved in a freak accident that left him a paraplegic. Ferguson is a veteran. This person is not.

Response by SFC(P) Richard Warren made Oct 13 at 2019 9:01 PM

SFC(P) Richard Warren — Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:01:39 -0400

From the legal standpoint, yes. If this person served even a single day, including the day they went to MEPS, and has a service connected disability assigned by VA, then YES, they are a Veteran.

Relevant References include:
38 C.F.R. 3.1
38 C.F.R. 3.6
M21-1 III.ii.6.1.b

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2019 1:01 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 01:01:55 -0400

Absolutely not. Of course, we don't know the nature of their situation and why they did not complete AIT, but I would consider them "prior service."

Response by MAJ Fred Peterman made Oct 14 at 2019 5:49 AM

MAJ Fred Peterman — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:49:31 -0400

If they were found "unable to continue " and were given an honorable discharge, I consider the individual aVeteran. A broken thing is most frequently not a dishonorable condition. Even mentally broken.

Response by SGM Major Stroupe made Oct 14 at 2019 6:23 AM

SGM Major Stroupe — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:23:37 -0400

To be considered for VA benefits a person who entered active duty after Sep 1980 and completes 2 full years of service or completion of the period for which they were activated and received a discharge categorized above less than honorable are considered a veterans. If you don't know and have reason to know ask for verified proof. In other words, put up or shut up. You either are or are not.

Response by MSgt Jeff Stephens made Oct 14 at 2019 6:54 AM

MSgt Jeff Stephens — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:54:12 -0400

From what I have always been told to be a veteran you have to have a DD-214. That is why a reservist or guardsman that didn't go active are not considered a veteran. So, no if this didn't get a DD-214 they are not considered a veteran.

Response by PO3 Charles Brooks made Oct 14 at 2019 8:30 AM

PO3 Charles Brooks — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:30:35 -0400

If you didn’t give us at least two years and it wasn’t due to a medical condition, you aren’t a vet. That’s just IMO.

Response by LTC David Howard made Oct 14 at 2019 9:06 AM

LTC David Howard — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:06:32 -0400

The government considers anyone that served and was discharged as other than dishonorable as a veteran. So a loser could be kicked out after almost no time at all and given a bad conduct discharge and would still legally be considered a veteran. But official definitions and real world considerations are not always the same. I would not consider a person that left after a few months due to anything other than an injury related to hostile action as a true veteran. But those that served their full term, even if never deployed, are fully entitled in my opinion to proudly call themselves veterans.

Response by SP5 Dennis Dorsey made Oct 14 at 2019 11:35 AM

SP5 Dennis Dorsey — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:35:56 -0400

I don't consider anybody a veteran unless they have completed all their training and served in a unit. One who gets out after only 5 months and never finishes their training isn't a veteran. To call one's self a veteran and never finishes training is a disservice to all who have finished their training and served in a unit. Just my 2 cents.

Response by SSgt Charles Dengler made Oct 14 at 2019 1:09 PM

SSgt Charles Dengler — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:09:41 -0400

I have a female coworker who broke her leg in basic and walks around calling herself a Marine because they considered her having completed basic and she gets a disability check every month. That to me is barely a Marine and she is using it in a way to get attention because when you say you are a Marine everybody is thinking you have done a whole lot more than just basic and never getting to a unit or performing as a Marine.

Response by SPC Todd Everetts made Oct 14 at 2019 6:12 PM

SPC Todd Everetts — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:12:55 -0400

I can only imagine 2 circumstances why someone is discharged after 5 months. Medical or discipline. And that medical would have to be serious. Saying that a good friend of mine in AIT too an antenna through the eye ball and through his brain while setting up and antennae mast. Personally, I'd consider him a veteran - he gave a whole lot more than I had to in my tour. I served during Panama, Desert Shield/Storm, but never deployed. Serving in a combat zone does not provide veteran status. It provides Combat Veteran status, and I personally consider that a step above my 'Veteran'.

Without some sort of major medical discharge, I would not consider 5 months and out a Veteran.

Response by SPC Dean J. Thompson made Oct 14 at 2019 9:56 PM

SPC Dean J. Thompson — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:56:30 -0400

They couldn't get through training because of a sprain.
I went down for a sprained ankle for 5 days during training and just pushed through to graduation.
My 9 years of active duty saw me in Fort Knox Kentucky, Fort Benning Georgia, West Germany ×2, South Korea and Fort Lewis Washington.
I was a lucky Infantryman that never had to fire my weapon at anyone thank God for sparing me and not putting me in that situation.
I did 4 more years in the Reserves and got out because I had a great job.
Some Veterans still say I am not a Veteran.
I know you can't satisfy everyone.
I am a Veteran in my book and to many others.
5 months though and a simple sprain, No you are not a Veteran.

Response by LtCol David Cooper made Oct 15 at 2019 12:57 AM

LtCol David Cooper — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:57:40 -0400

Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”
There is nothing in the code about length of service, location of service, or what the veteran did while on active duty. Without knowing the characterization of discharge, it is impossible to state whether your coworker is a veteran or not, but they probably are. You could ask if they were active or reserve, because by a quirk of regulation, reservists on “active duty for training” are not on active duty but a regular service member who reports to basic training is immediately on active duty.

Response by SGT Rosi Teresi made Oct 15 at 2019 2:10 AM

SGT Rosi Teresi — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 02:10:02 -0400

You have to serve 180 days to be eligible for V A benefits so, no, she is not a veteran.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2019 7:10 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:10:03 -0400

I'm in a way perplexed about the sentiment of what most consider a Veteran. Some people don't seem to do research nor do they care about the ramifications of what we have been through to consider the honor. Your co-worker want praise for something that wasn't earned. You however hold your head high and let that individual move on; keep with the values that were/are instilled. Clearly your co-worker was not instilled with those values.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2019 11:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:51:33 -0400

NO! Not even close to a veteran, if didn’t even finish AIT no, and if an injury occurred while in training they will be recycled to next class during recovery time. They will not put you out because of that, there sounds like there is more to this than just a sprain ankle.

Response by PO3 John Raymond made Oct 15 at 2019 12:51 PM

PO3 John Raymond — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:51:42 -0400

There are some truly terrible answers in here. So if in AIT, they get injured (especially because of AIT...and it happens more than you might think) and can no longer continue you think they aren't a veteran? That implies you also don't think someone that dies in training is worthy of the title veteran. That's a pathetic way to support your fellow soldiers. They signed up to put their life on the line just like you and I did. To belittle their contribution because they got sick or hurt and couldn't continue is downright pathetic. I'm thoroughly disgusted with every one of you who thinks that way. Personally, I got sick in boot camp. I got moved out of my company into the "sick, lame, and lazy" company while I recovered before I could get back to training. There were people there when I was there that had been catastrophically injured during boot camp. Had spent months recovering enough to even move to that company to wait out processing? Why? Because they put their life on the line...just like the rest of us. I can't believe so many of you haven't got your fellow soldier and sailor's back. :(

Response by SGT Keone Melare made Oct 15 at 2019 10:22 PM

SGT Keone Melare — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:22:10 -0400

I don’t get !! I have a co-worker who was in the navy finish his boot camp and when he was assigned to the ship that he will be serving his 3 yrs . He found out that the ship was going to the Persian golf in support of Iraqi freedom II he said that he started talking to him self telling people he can hear voices and that he hears demons calling him . He tells that he was scare to deploy to the golf . So he gets medically Discharge. Now he is 100% service related and he claims he is a veteran .

Response by SGT Keone Melare made Oct 15 at 2019 10:23 PM

SGT Keone Melare — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:23:02 -0400

To me that is not a veteran !!

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made Oct 15 at 2019 10:46 PM

1SG Jason Almond — Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:46:57 -0400

No.

No job, no unit—no cred.

A veteran means you have some level of experience in your field.

Trainee is not a field.

If you never had a job/MOS/Rate etc assigned to you, you were never in any position to be deployed. Not a veteran.

Response by SGT Josh Rhoden made Oct 16 at 2019 5:03 AM

SGT Josh Rhoden — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 05:03:29 -0400

I consider at least one full enlistment to be considered a vet.
UNLESS, someone was medically discharged due to an injury from a MILITARY event, like a training event or deployment to (and wounded in) a war zone.

Response by CPT Don Williams made Oct 16 at 2019 2:04 PM

CPT Don Williams — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:04:05 -0400

The "litmus" test for most veteran's groups is the DD214. I got one when I left enlisted ranks to attend OCS (and an Honorable discharge) and I got one when my Army Reserve commitment was over (also with Honorable Discharge). I don't believe they are a veteran.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2019 2:06 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:06:59 -0400

Not even close...

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Oct 16 at 2019 4:10 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:10:38 -0400

If they were not yet qualified for duty in the military I (me personally) would not consider that a Veteran. However, if the service member was medically retired, then yes. I would have to have more info. Thank you for your service.

Response by CPT Bill Hoo made Oct 16 at 2019 4:42 PM

CPT Bill Hoo — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:42:49 -0400

They are probably mistaking the National Defense Service Ribbon as defining their veterans status. Everyone gets one just for being in the service for 89 consecutive days during a national crises. Or they are mistaking the Army Service Ribbon (the rainbow one) given when you complete Basic Entry training (I think). These are NOT the Armed Forces Service Medal given to those who performed significant activity in a campaign. The AFSM would give someone veteran status. What is a "veteran"? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Oct 16 at 2019 9:42 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:42:59 -0400

I'm gonna say "NO!"

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Oct 16 at 2019 9:43 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:43:23 -0400

I'm gonna say "NO!"

Response by SPC Mhamed Khmaissi made Oct 16 at 2019 10:24 PM

SPC Mhamed Khmaissi — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:24:16 -0400

Anyone who signed a military service contract and wears military uniform for one day is a veteran because lot of racists and haters make false statements about innocent soldiers who will leave the service early for none of their faults..certainly some females who made false allegations of sexual harassment or misconduct against strong soldiers who should never leave the service early for here say,we all know that female soldiers aren't willing to take what Male soldiers will or do. We aren't different man are man and woman are women period besides their sexual orientation, race or rank , some females gets special treatment because drill sergeant likes them or even commanders of units.females have to step into the table and take responsibility for their actions not to blame males for their failure and shady jobs. They want military service they have to become infantry soldiers not to cry and ask commanders for favors for exchange services. Hoorah

Response by SSG Steve W. made Oct 16 at 2019 10:34 PM

SSG Steve W. — Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:34:14 -0400

If that person was honorably discharged, then technically they r considered a veteran. If they didn’t make i5 th4ough AIT, I would have a hard time thinking of them as a veteran but...

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2019 8:55 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 08:55:36 -0400

IMHO, if you quit before you finish initial training you are not a veteran but if you got seriously injured and were medically discharged through no fault of your own then you are.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2019 9:27 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:27:50 -0400

The technical answer is that this individual, unless he served in combat (which he did not), is not a Veteran unless he served over 180 days.
He may be eligible for VA benefits depending on the reason and characterization of discharge.

My personal answer is that anyone walking around calling himself a Veteran with these circumstances of service is a dumb ass and needs to have that explained to him.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2019 9:27 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:27:55 -0400

No, if anything she would of been dropped from the rolls, excluding a traumatic injury incurred in combat, which I don’t think is present here.

Response by SSG Rob Kumpf made Oct 17 at 2019 9:59 AM

SSG Rob Kumpf — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:59:08 -0400

That’s a big negative.

Response by PO2 George Cicotte made Oct 17 at 2019 11:00 AM

PO2 George Cicotte — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:00:15 -0400

There are minimum service requirements to be considered a "veteran." One can be a veteran without being a combat veteran. My father entered the US Army Air Corps after V-E Day in May, and was slated to participate in the invasion of Japan, which did not occur because Japan surrendered in August. He was discharged in December 1945, in part because of his family size (child 6 - of 11 - was born while he was in basic training), and in part because the criterion for many veterans' benefits was 180 days active duty. He served about 170 days, just under 6 months.
Someone who doesn't finish basic training because of an inability to follow orders, etc., would not be considered a veteran by the VA for most things, but if they get through the first 30 days, the service puts them in a uniform to send them home. If they're injured and can no longer serve due to something like a training accident, they're medically discharged. Making it to AIT (Advanced Infantry Training? I was a submariner, we didn't have infantry) would be considered "successful" service. Sometimes the training can as dangerous as combat, perhaps more so, because intense training makes combat less dangerous for everyone - except the enemy, hopefully.

Response by SSG Neil Arnold made Oct 17 at 2019 11:18 AM

SSG Neil Arnold — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:18:57 -0400

No not a Vet. my good friend join he my got to Basic 2 week's after me. Washed out. When we got back in touch we never felt he was a Vet !

Response by PO2 Lawrence D'angelo made Oct 17 at 2019 11:25 AM

PO2 Lawrence D'angelo — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:25:22 -0400

As a service officer and 100% veteran Once you take the oath you are in the service. If the service let the person leave due to injury then he is service connected and is a veteran.

Response by Cpl Edward Evans made Oct 17 at 2019 1:15 PM

Cpl Edward Evans — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:15:44 -0400

No, Absolutely not. A washout yes.

Response by Sgt Leonard Lamb made Oct 17 at 2019 2:14 PM

Sgt Leonard Lamb — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:14:40 -0400

Technically 90 days with other than dishonorable discharge is considered a veteran... and.. 90 days to make an officer and a gentleman out of a college draft dodger... so I say yes...

Response by LCpl Sam Epaloose jr made Oct 17 at 2019 2:23 PM

LCpl Sam Epaloose jr — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:23:34 -0400

I sprained my ankle in boot camp 1979, was jabbed in the kidney for doing that!! Sucked it up and went on to become a Marine.... My right boot wears out crooked but oh well.. Semper Fi Till I Die...

Response by SCPO Lonny Randolph made Oct 17 at 2019 3:09 PM

SCPO Lonny Randolph — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:09:03 -0400

If a young man or woman joins the military with every intention of serving a full term and somehow fails to make it due to circumstances beyond their control, they are veterans in my view. Many are called, few choose to serve; those who tried, gave it their all and couldn't quite make it still deserve respect for answering their country's call to duty. If they get drummed out due to disciplinary issues or falsification on entry or they get out when they could have stayed in, they are not veterans and they have disrespected those who serve and the uniform they wore.
Just my two cents worth...

Response by SGT Jd Cannon made Oct 17 at 2019 8:52 PM

SGT Jd Cannon — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:52:30 -0400

The Training cycle spans basic and AIT. Being how the person never completed his/her training and made it to permanent party, they never Obtained an MOS, and as a result never had a defined job specialty. It’s the equivalent of not completing a probationary period as a civilian. I would not consider them a veteran because they did not complete the years of service (3-4) that they contracted to complete in their initial enlistment. Vets are those honorably discharged after a term of service.

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Oct 17 at 2019 11:15 PM

1SG Michael Farrell — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 23:15:20 -0400

Except for service connected disabilities. VA benefits don't kick in until 6.months.so there's that. As for the right vs. wrong, there ultimately are has-beens, might have beens and the rare but obviously desperate "never was." Only a fool wants credit for a never was status. Your coworker is a fool.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2019 1:29 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 01:29:42 -0400

Ok first off the person did intend to serve so you cant take that away from them and they did go through bootcamp and passed. So they should be proud of there service regardless. There are many Americans who have not attempted to serve or answer the nation's call. Now as far as the ait after mos school and calling them selves a veteran goes I beleave that if it's there Is a time requirement then so be it, but at the same time be gentle with them because there proud of there service like anyone else should be and has a right to be.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2019 10:54 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:54:53 -0400

As sad as it might sound... as far as the the VA is concerned, if you complied basic training, you are a veteran and entitled to VA benefits.

Response by Sgt Leonard Lamb made Oct 18 at 2019 11:38 AM

Sgt Leonard Lamb — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:38:19 -0400

Don trump, a draft dodger whose entire family for five generations has never served, is Commander in Chief and you want to deny a volunteer who was outed out under other than dishonorable discharge his status as a Veteran. Did I fall through a time warp.

PS 90 Days in time of War and 180 days in peace. Of course that means 180 days for Vietnam Vets because the War on Vietnam was never declared as a War.

Response by PFC Jeffrey Villarreal made Oct 18 at 2019 2:06 PM

PFC Jeffrey Villarreal — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:06:17 -0400

hell no

Response by PFC Jeffrey Villarreal made Oct 18 at 2019 2:08 PM

PFC Jeffrey Villarreal — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:08:13 -0400

hell no
im 90% disable and climbing fast
175 ranger 1st bat c co wpns plat

Response by SGT Al Ingle made Oct 18 at 2019 2:43 PM

SGT Al Ingle — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 14:43:27 -0400

The Veterans Handbook (I think it's an extract of U.S. Code 38) says on the first page that a service member must have served 90 days or more "in other than a training status" in order to be eligible for Veterans benefits. So if you're using that criterion, then no member is a "Veteran" until he/she has served 90 days post basic training.
A+

Response by SFC George Bell made Oct 18 at 2019 3:49 PM

SFC George Bell — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:49:04 -0400

It's a hard call, I've seen kids who actually broke their backs in training and been released, and I've seen walk outs with little or no injuries as well.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2019 6:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:21:46 -0400

Response by SSG Dale London made Oct 18 at 2019 8:59 PM

SSG Dale London — Fri, 18 Oct 2019 20:59:40 -0400

As a veteran, I am keenly aware of how susceptible I am to snobbery. I'd like to say that your workmate is a poser but I would be wrong. All you need in order to qualify for many benefits with the VA is active service. There are different requirements for different benefits but the minimum is "any". This means that your workmate qualifies as a vet -- maybe not a very impressive one, but a vet nonetheless.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2019 10:39 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:39:17 -0400

Well, my two cents is that your co-worker is a snowflake craving self-esteem then actualizing that craving through self-enhancement. Between my grandfathers and granduncles there were Merchant Mariners, USN sailors, Marines, Army, Army Air Corps and others,... none of them tended to overblow or undercut each other's relative "danger", I observed they were just content that they won the struggle and although several were scathed in the process, none were killed within their family. If the "law" allows your co-worker to claim "veteran" status so be it, if that co-worker tends to overblow that status expecting a hearty "thank you for your service", well then you are not obligated to give that nod of respect as it speaks more to your co-worker's needy ego than anything else. As for all the postings on the subject get over it folks, you know what you did, your families know what you did, and we all know there will always be posers.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Oct 19 at 2019 4:20 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:20:56 -0400

On the legal side. Anyone that serves less than 181 days on active duty does not get "Veterans benefits". So that means you are not a veteran if you didn't serve six months and a day. The only exception is someone who is medically separated and put on medical retirement.

Response by SN Daniel Snow made Oct 19 at 2019 5:55 PM

SN Daniel Snow — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 17:55:22 -0400

I feel strongly he is not A designated "Veteran.' Maybe A Civilan bragger trying to take credit for nothing contributed as A known veteran.

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Oct 19 at 2019 6:47 PM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 18:47:24 -0400

Not really;I'd call that a drop out.

Response by SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin) made Oct 19 at 2019 7:00 PM

SPC Mara Manzer (Spurgin) — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 19:00:42 -0400

Nope

Response by PO1 David Shepardson made Oct 20 at 2019 9:24 AM

PO1 David Shepardson — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:24:42 -0400

Yes, but was there a change to the 180 day rule?

Response by PO1 David Shepardson made Oct 20 at 2019 9:32 AM

PO1 David Shepardson — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:32:05 -0400

Here is one foor ya.
I know two people, one a Marine and the other Air Force, both claim to be veterans, both did over 180 days and both dishonorably discharged.... Are they veterans?

Response by SPC Peter Pagnotta made Oct 20 at 2019 12:42 PM

SPC Peter Pagnotta — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:42:47 -0400

This person is not a Veteran. Let them believe they are. They receive no benefits and someday people will question this and come to their conclusions. It's their lie and soul not ours. I am a very proud veteran.

Response by SPC Peter Pagnotta made Oct 20 at 2019 12:44 PM

SPC Peter Pagnotta — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:44:35 -0400

This person is not a veteran. They will receive no benefits. Their lies will catch up to them so let them play make-believe. Its theor soul to keep. I am a proud veteran who served rightfully.

Response by SGT Chris Padgett made Oct 20 at 2019 2:18 PM

SGT Chris Padgett — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 14:18:09 -0400

The American Legion actually had this answer cleared up by congress several decades ago.
It can be made complicated because DD214 wasn't used until 1950 and there was no uniformity to discharges prior to.
But, where a current SM is involved, a person shall be considered a "veteran" if they poses a DD214 that was issued under "honorable" conditions for any period that doesn't include training.
This was very recently changed (by congress w/Legion backing) to include/allow Guard/Reserve members into the definition.

Response by SFC Gurney Hare made Oct 20 at 2019 9:23 PM

SFC Gurney Hare — Sun, 20 Oct 2019 21:23:40 -0400

You must serve 180 days on active duty to be a veteran.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made Oct 21 at 2019 4:02 PM

CPO William A. Bullard Jr. — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:02:59 -0400

You gott quitters, hackers, and cowards. The "Hackers" made it ALL the way through, pissed, moaned a bit, but made it ALL the way through. The "Cowards" never got started. The "Quitters" dropped out somewhere along the way. I detest cowards; Quitters along the way I kinda'?? understand; we ain't talkin' about a strole along 5th Avenue Easter Sunday for the Photograveur. But a "Quitter" who poses? Stomp a mud hole in his gut; he' s strictly a POS, as bad as a Coward. Example of a "Quitter"? hey shipmates!! none other than Dan Rather!

Response by SGT Rick Weishaupt made Oct 23 at 2019 12:37 PM

SGT Rick Weishaupt — Wed, 23 Oct 2019 12:37:31 -0400

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Oct 31 at 2019 8:54 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:54:11 -0400

What are people thinking about 5 months and no AIT and asking if he is a Veteran come on really he must be taking some great drugs. SSG MARK FRANZEN USA VETERAN 16.5 yrs Hello

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Nov 3 at 2019 2:13 AM

CPO Jack De Merit — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 02:13:28 -0500

Your co-worker is not a veteran. I know someone who CLAIMS to have served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. I believe the WWII because he is old enough. I don't believe that he served IN Korea and IN Vietnam. Lately he has decided to wear a purple Heart and a Silver Cross. I feel that he is mocking the real Veterans and trying to steal their reputations. I served 6 tours in Vietnam and retired after 28 years and 9 months of service. Does anyone know how to verify his service? Any help would be appreciated.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Nov 13 at 2019 5:18 PM

Sgt James Gross — Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:18:51 -0500

No, they didn’t have the 180 days minimum to even qualify for time served.

Response by Sgt Leonard Lamb made Nov 15 at 2019 12:17 PM

Sgt Leonard Lamb — Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:17:54 -0500

here is my test. if he had of become disabled or died while in service would you then consider him a veteran.. or just some poor bloke who died.. bottom line: the va would consider him a veteran for all purposes.. does this mean you have to die to be a veteran.. think about it

Response by CPL Chester Cabler made Nov 16 at 2019 8:42 AM

CPL Chester Cabler — Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:42:59 -0500

It has always been my understanding that if you have served 180 consecutive days on active duty that you are considered a veteran. Now does a veteran consider the 5 months of service to be entitled to bare that title? That is another question in and of itself.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2019 11:22 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:22:05 -0500

There is an actual federal statute that defines what is a veteran. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not.

Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important.

Response by Cpl Richard Besser made Dec 3 at 2019 4:41 PM

Cpl Richard Besser — Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:41:25 -0500

In your question, you should have told us WHY AIT was not finished.
I was released after 31/2 yrs. and the Navy doctors said my back pain was psychosomatic.
I am now 100% disabled, mostly because of the injury the doctor did not know about because
he was too lazy or did not have enough training. It happened in-country so I am a Vietnam veteran.
You need to know why your co-worker was released.

Response by SGT Charles F Edney made Dec 7 at 2019 5:25 AM

SGT Charles F Edney — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 05:25:32 -0500

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2019 9:01 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 09:01:54 -0500

My ex fiancé blew out both knees taking a PT test in AIT and was medically discharged from there. She then went off to college where she became president of a group called “Iraq veterans against the war” where she and her group went to various places giving presentations protesting military action. She even did a television interview where she was introduced as an Iraq veteran against the war. She never left AIT.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Dec 7 at 2019 12:57 PM

CPL Theodore Moore — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 12:57:41 -0500

did he or she get a dd214? If so, yes if not, no.

Response by SSG Christopher Cannon made Dec 7 at 2019 2:17 PM

SSG Christopher Cannon — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 14:17:53 -0500

People who say things like this are attention seekers. the best thing to do is go about your business and not pay them any attention they thrive on controversy

Response by CPT William Hoh made Dec 7 at 2019 8:48 PM

CPT William Hoh — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 20:48:46 -0500

What's wrong with him considering himself a veteran. He didn't get out because he abused drugs. He didn't do anything wrong.

He signed up during a time of war, and got injured in basic. Not his fault the regulations don't allow him to continue.

The VA would consider him a veteran with two-years service.

I consider him a brave American who wanted to defend his country and for reasons beyond his control was not able to serve. If he had injured his spinal cord during basic and ended up in a wheelchair… Would he be a veteran?

Response by CPT William Hoh made Dec 7 at 2019 8:50 PM

CPT William Hoh — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 20:50:54 -0500

When I served in the Army Medical Corps, if an injury put you out of basic for more than a specified amount of time, you were not permitted to continue in the Army. you did not have a choice.

And he is eligible for care and a veteran center for his injury.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2019 11:13 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 23:13:28 -0500

I graduate AIT in a week I’ve been enlisted for 1 year but in training for 7 months but if I got out of the army even if I finished AIT i wouldn’t call myself a veteran not until I serve at least 6 months with my unit

Response by SGT Jonathan Whitehead made Dec 7 at 2019 11:27 PM

SGT Jonathan Whitehead — Sat, 07 Dec 2019 23:27:49 -0500

There are some pretty cut and dry legal definitions of veteran status per Code of Federal Regulations 38 USC 501 Subpart A 3.1. If an individual was discharged from *active* service under conditions other than dishonorable they are legally a veteran. It gets muddy with training as if the contract was National Guard or Reserve, AIT is not considered active service but "Active Duty for Training."
However, if someone manifests a service connected disability during this training then it becomes active service for VA benefit purposes. So if they got hurt and subsequently got discharged for being hurt, unless there was misconduct involved, yes they would be defined legally as a veteran.

From a purely emotional standpoint, if an individual signed a blank check to the country that says up to and including their life, and the military breaks them in the process of in training them for these ends and decides that person is now more of a liability than an asset and medically discharges them...that person has my respect. If the spirit was willing and the body failed, I am okay with them being called a veteran. Training for realism always has some risk to it. A service ending training injury can be no fault of the individual. Sometimes it is the price of good training that a certain percentage of people get hurt and people way above my pay grade ever was decided it was necessary. Sometimes it is a failure on leadership's fault. I would give them the benefit of the doubt in the absence of additional evidence to the contrary. So few even try.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Dec 8 at 2019 12:35 AM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 00:35:29 -0500

To qualify as a veteran, one must serve 180 days of continues service to receive VA Benefits. If a service member did not complete the 180 day requirement, is not a veteran. A few service members fail before finishing boot camp and or schools.

Response by CPO John Bjorge made Dec 8 at 2019 7:56 AM

CPO John Bjorge — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 07:56:33 -0500

Not a good attitude, why do we put standards on people who can't do what we think they should do? The military is full of people who give it their all and that is the only standard that should be given. Just because a member gets hurt trying to give 100% and the "MIDICAL" people can't fix them does not mean they are a quitter. There are a lot of jobs that don't require people to be able to Carry a Pack and run 10 miles. Or jobs that members can do without being able to be a "STUD". Give everyone the room to advance and feel good about themselves when on active duty.

Response by SFC Sonja Brezina made Dec 8 at 2019 1:48 PM

SFC Sonja Brezina — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 13:48:13 -0500

I think a veteran is someone who made the military a career, not just an experience that went wrong and they found an easy way out of their contract. I was married to a guy who stole valor, and claimed he was a vet when I found out he never graduated basic, and was discharged due a violent personality disorder, and only was in basic for a few weeks, not even 180 days. There's a lot of these individuals out there taking advantage of those thankful, and supportive of our military services. I did 17 years, and retired with full disability honors, and really get tired of those whom claim veteran status because they want a discount, a good story to make friends, or to take advantage of those of us who made a career of it and loved being a soldier, and didn't have a choice to retire, but did everything they could to stay in because it's the one place they knew they wanted to be. One day I hope individuals understand the difference in what being called a veteran means, and honors the memories of those who made it home, and continued life in order to help service our country. This type of stuff just angers me beyond belief.

Response by PFC Ray Aquila made Dec 8 at 2019 4:48 PM

PFC Ray Aquila — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:48:28 -0500

Absolutely NOT. Your co-worker didn't, in 5 months get their feet wet. Basic training is one thing. AIT is so much more. You learn what is expected of a person. Back when I was training for deployment to Nam. Advanced Individual Training, AIT, was essential.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Dec 8 at 2019 5:20 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:20:02 -0500

In a word "NO"

Response by SSG Eric Franklin made Dec 8 at 2019 5:40 PM

SSG Eric Franklin — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:40:30 -0500

Are they getting something based on the veteran status? If not don’t waste your time talking to them

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 6:04 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:04:23 -0500

Thank them for trying but no...not a veteran. Basically (no pun intended) they were applying for a job with stipulation they pass Basic AND AIT. Now should they be proud of attempting? I think so, but to classify themselves as a veteran...no, not deserved.

Response by TSgt Chuck Mankin made Dec 8 at 2019 7:45 PM

TSgt Chuck Mankin — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 19:45:00 -0500

He is not a veteran at all. Legally or otherwise. Kind of like my step daughters boyfriend who told me he was a medically retired marine. I asked him how his VA care was and he said he didn't know anything about the VA. I asked him if they told him anything about it when they retired him and he said no. Funny dude if you hurt yourself bad enough to be retired by 20 then you should certainly know about VA disability! I advised him to contact the VA and offered to give him the info for a service officer I am friendly with but he wasn't interested. Nope sorry kid you are faking your status!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 7:46 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 19:46:47 -0500

Who cares? If it makes them feel special and gets them a free shitty meal at Applebee's, whatever. #yawn

Response by SP5 James Johnson made Dec 8 at 2019 8:16 PM

SP5 James Johnson — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:16:36 -0500

A simple NO.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 9:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:25:42 -0500

No, she’s not. I knew a guy who was in TRADOC for over a year due to a back injury and he said the same thing, and that he was able to get some VA benefits because of it. It’s bull.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Dec 8 at 2019 10:33 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:33:39 -0500

By law I think he's a veteran it would be eligible for VA benefits. Personally I think anybody that step forward and took the oath, and was discharged with anything other than a dishonorable discharge have the right to call themselves if ever a veteran.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2019 1:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 01:22:20 -0500

By statute, a veteran is defined as a “person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released there from under conditions other than dishonorable.” (38 USC §101(2); 38 CFR §3.1(d).)

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42324.pdf
Who Is a “Veteran”?—Basic Eligibility for Veterans’ Benefits
Congressional Research Service, Report R42324, May 25, 2016

R42324.pdf

Response by SSG Dwayne Soblosky made Dec 9 at 2019 9:04 AM

SSG Dwayne Soblosky — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 09:04:31 -0500

Federal statutes say anyone who served 180 days or more on active duty or 1 tour at least 90 days overseas is considered a veteran. Doesn't matter what I think after that. SSG S

Response by PO3 Bria n O‘Connell made Dec 9 at 2019 2:34 PM

PO3 Bria n O‘Connell — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 14:34:50 -0500

I agree however; They did make the effort to serve . So I guess they would be a junior veteran . I’ve met lots like this . If it were me I’d just hide and not say anything . It’s always the ones who did the least that talk the most .

Response by LT Terry Lober made Dec 9 at 2019 3:45 PM

LT Terry Lober — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 15:45:12 -0500

Not a veteran until they served 180 days on regular active duty. Just say NO.

Response by SSG Chris Lloyd made Dec 9 at 2019 5:18 PM

SSG Chris Lloyd — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 17:18:10 -0500

Are you a high school graduate if you drop out?

Response by SP5 Glen Alleman MSSM made Dec 9 at 2019 5:26 PM

SP5 Glen Alleman MSSM — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 17:26:50 -0500

what does the DD 214 say?

Response by SGT Lester Cohen made Dec 9 at 2019 8:53 PM

SGT Lester Cohen — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 20:53:57 -0500

Didn't get hurt on purpose. Didn't ask for discharge. In my book, they are a veteran.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Dec 10 at 2019 8:45 AM

SFC Barbara Layman — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:45:51 -0500

All depends on the nature of/reason for the discharge. What was the reason - medical, inability to adjust or some UCMJ violation?

An honorable discharge would 'salvage' veteran status imho. However an 'other than' or 'under' honorable discharge would void any veteran status.

Response by SPC Tim LaFountain made Dec 10 at 2019 9:32 AM

SPC Tim LaFountain — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 09:32:36 -0500

In the larger picture it doesn’t matter, only to those who want to make it an issue. To me if he wants to call himself a vet so be it, I have more important things to deal with. You seem like the only one that it’s bothering, hey live & let live.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Dec 10 at 2019 1:32 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:32:47 -0500

With this thinking, I guess you would not class a fellow recruit that was in my training unit a Veteran. We were on the obstacle course just before graduation at Ft Sill when he fell 30ft to the ground and broke his back. He was medically retired due to his injury, he is a paraplegic and confined to a wheel chair. His injury occurred 1 week before graduation from an OSUT unit. Do I consider him a Veteran, yes. He gave it his all, and now he is paying for it. This happened back in late March of 1976. Back then we were not gave an ent service ribbon, no National Defence ribbon, no Cold War ribbon. As there was no war going on to be issued the National Defence ribbon, and the other two did not exist. FYI, he was medically retired with 100% disability.
So like I said already, I consider him to be a veteran.

Response by CDR Gene Edwards made Dec 10 at 2019 5:28 PM

CDR Gene Edwards — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 17:28:50 -0500

I'm of two minds here. If the person was separated due to some medical condition beyond their control (and being "unable to adjust to military life" does NOT count) i'm sort of inclined to give them some credit for at least doing what 97% of Americans don't do...raise their hand. On the other hand, I think you need to complete your contract. I hope this individual is not lining up at IHOP for free pancakes on Veteran's day!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2019 10:28 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:28:41 -0500

I have been in for 18+ years and when I park in the veterans parking spot at TSC my wife and kids ask if I can park there. I consider myself a veteran, my license plate even says it. This person signed up unlike 99% of the others. Maybe they got injured and couldn't finish AIT but either way they tried, so if they want to call themselves a veteran then let them have that. What does it do for them besides maybe get a better parking spot at TSC.

Response by PFC Justin Ellison made Dec 11 at 2019 10:39 AM

PFC Justin Ellison — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:39:45 -0500

I joined the Army National Guard between my junior and senior year of High School.(1999) I attended drill for 12 months before shipping to basic. About 3 platoons worth of us spent 5 weeks in basic "reception" waiting for a slot to start training. We were told very little information but there was a shortage of instructors. We moved to new barracks 6 times in those 5 weeks each time being told we were starting training soon. Each time it did not happen. After 5 weeks of sitting on the concrete for hours every day, my AIT graduation date was pushed back into the next school semester. This would have cost me my scholarship. My liaison and recruiter found a way to get me out of the training and discharged. It was a very unfortunate situation and I had to make a tough decision. Having said all of this, I am NOT a veteran and would never claim to be. Regardless of the time I spent or the intentions I had.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Dec 11 at 2019 12:03 PM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:03:36 -0500

No not a veteran

Response by SSG Calvin Grant made Dec 11 at 2019 12:41 PM

SSG Calvin Grant — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:41:04 -0500

A military veteran is a person who has served a term of service in the military and who has completed it with something other than a dishonorable discharge. In the United States, a person must have been on full-time active duty for 24 consecutive months to qualify for veterans benefits.

Response by SSG Yolonde Rocio made Dec 11 at 2019 12:51 PM

SSG Yolonde Rocio — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:51:33 -0500

SSG Yolonde Rocio 1 m
By definition (Department of Veteran Affairs) a Veteran is an person who served full-time active duty other than for training (for specific benefits), and was a member of the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, or commissioned officer of the Public Health Services, Environmental Services Administration or Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or its predecessor, the Coastal and Geodectic Survey. For National Guard and Reservist, the service member must have been deployed a minimum of 180 days and didn't get a dishonorable discharge or a bad conduct discharge coming off those orders. Also if a person was served 90 days on active duty during wartime.
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Response by CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling made Dec 11 at 2019 3:42 PM

CW4 Abdulaziz Bulling — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:42:33 -0500

Qualifications for Veteran Status requires honorable service in the military typically makes you a veteran for life. ... Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”

Response by SPC Greg Burnett made Dec 11 at 2019 6:12 PM

SPC Greg Burnett — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:12:07 -0500

No.

Response by CPT Rick Mccoy made Dec 11 at 2019 8:36 PM

CPT Rick Mccoy — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:36:29 -0500

I worked as a RN on the inpatient psych unit at a VA hospital, many “veterans” were admitted to the unit when they ran out of their monthly disability money and left against medical advice when the next deposit hit their bank. In taking care of them you have to get into their electronic health record. Surprised to find that most of these folks had 100% disability for PTSD and either didn’t finish basic AIT or both. Some of the most egregious offenders had been receiving these stolen benefits for 20 years or more. They lived in weekly hotels, had substance abuse and gambling addictions. VA senior personnel would get a judge to appointment themselves financial guardians for these non veterans. Conflict of interest?After whistleblowing, I was forced to resign or be fired over a false allegation of patient abuse. No charges were brought, no investigation done. My accuser was given employee of the year on the day I resigned. Thanks to the VA Accountability Act. Lost my retirement the money I paid on my military service buyback towards retirement. This world is full of stolen valor fake vets, corrupt VA leaders and politicians. Thanks

Response by SA Bill Davidson made Dec 11 at 2019 8:45 PM

SA Bill Davidson — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:45:55 -0500

the only way that you are and got out early if you got hurt while serving your country,,,, and not boot camp

Response by SSG Paul V. Wade Sr made Dec 11 at 2019 11:25 PM

SSG Paul V. Wade Sr — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:25:40 -0500

NO !!!!! HE OR SHE IS NOT A VETERAN !!!!!! I WAS IN THE ARMY FOR 24 YEARS , VIETNAM WAR FROM MARCH 1968 TO AUGUST 1969 I KNOW THAT I AM A VETERAN !!!! From 1975 To 1985 I Was In THE ARMY RESERVE .

Response by SPC Phillip Bolanos made Dec 11 at 2019 11:36 PM

SPC Phillip Bolanos — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:36:22 -0500

No way

Response by SPC Dale Wilken made Dec 11 at 2019 11:42 PM

SPC Dale Wilken — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:42:45 -0500

What is a cold war ribbon I never received one.

Response by SSgt Tracy Kawasaki made Dec 11 at 2019 11:58 PM

SSgt Tracy Kawasaki — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:58:11 -0500

Why are so many people posting here without any research or understanding of the Federal code?
Qualifications for Veteran Status. Honorable service in the military typically makes you a veteran for life. ... Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”
So, yes, legally she can call herself a veteran. You may not like it. But your opinion means nothing. Applicable Federal code and law makes the determination. Not you. So you are butt hurt because the VA doesn't see things like you. Get over it, quit your belly aching. It is pitiful to see so many whine about their hurt feelings when the law and their opinions differ. She volunteered, she went to basic, she attempted AIT. She IS a veteran.
God, I would hate to be your hooker. You have no sense of decency or honor.

Response by SSG Randy Willingham made Dec 12 at 2019 1:52 AM

SSG Randy Willingham — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:52:05 -0500

I was always told you had to complete 180 days of active duty before you could get any benefits or be considered soldier .

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Dec 12 at 2019 12:51 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:51:43 -0500

No, nope, nien, zin't no way that baby is now a veteran. Five months and out because he/she sprained an ankle!

Response by SGT Donald Fell made Dec 12 at 2019 3:56 PM

SGT Donald Fell — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:56:11 -0500

He's not a veteran...I give him credit for trying, obviously just was not cut out for being a soldier. Not everyone is

Response by SFC Greg Youmans made Dec 12 at 2019 5:59 PM

SFC Greg Youmans — Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:59:41 -0500

Response by SSG Freddie B Graddy made Dec 13 at 2019 9:50 AM

SSG Freddie B Graddy — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:50:39 -0500

Simply stated, " No, No, No,. That person is not a Veteran.

Response by SPC Marguerite Wright made Dec 13 at 2019 10:12 AM

SPC Marguerite Wright — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:12:53 -0500

I served five years active duty and am surprised and honored I am considered a veteran since I did not experience all the hardships of many of my brothers and sisters in arms. However, I would be ashamed to attempt to claim vet status if I had not finished even AIT. No. I would not consider that person a veteran. I am sorry if they were separated against their will, but things happen and you deal with it and drive on. You don't try to compensate by claiming a status you did not earn.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 12:40 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 12:40:56 -0500

If they quit after 5 months they will quit on everything else in life that person does not deserve to call them self a Vet or receive any benefits that real Vest have earned

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Dec 13 at 2019 1:14 PM

SFC Charles Temm — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:14:12 -0500

No.

Our local college employed an individual who bailed from Army basic after a few weeks. No big deal you say until you are informed he was employed as head of the College Veterans Outreach office charged w/aiding actual veterans. To say that student veterans appreciated such a guy in charge of helping them w/the unique problems they often had was a stretch.

Luckily the staff were either actual veterans or spouses of such and did help those who were able to overlook this gladhanding self styled vet IC.

Response by SGT Scotty Faircloth made Dec 13 at 2019 5:31 PM

SGT Scotty Faircloth — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:31:46 -0500

Negative, I knew someone that said the same, I agree with some of the other comments, how can you consider yourself a Veteran when you've never even been assigned to a unit? I've heard the 180 days thing, that's bs, in my mind the status "Veteran" has to be earned...

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Dec 14 at 2019 1:10 PM

Maj Dale Smith — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 13:10:49 -0500

Things may have changed, but when I filed for Chapter 36 VA bebefits for flying, I was told one of the criteria was that I had spent a minimum of 180 days on active duty unless I was medically discharged.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2019 7:53 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 19:53:17 -0500

I was in a car dealership near Portland Maine. The salesman was a bit annoying, and I wasn't interesting in anything they had for sale. I went back to his office to get my car keys and noticed that he had a plaque from the Marines. I asked him about his service. Apparently, he enlisted, but had discipline problems during "Boot". He was released and sent home. I was offended that anyone who couldn't last two months would try to use his non-service to sell cars. I pointed this out to the dealership manager who didn't see a problem.

Response by SSG Raul Alaniz made Dec 14 at 2019 8:45 PM

SSG Raul Alaniz — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 20:45:24 -0500

Isn't it after a 180 days of active duty, or have the ARMY REG. change that?

Response by SPC Xiao Fu made Dec 15 at 2019 10:14 AM

SPC Xiao Fu — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 10:14:37 -0500

Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important.
the definition of the term Veteran for purposes of compensation, Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) and death pension, see
38 CFR 3.1(d), and Paulson v. Brown, 7 Vet.App. 466, 470 (1995), and
groups approved for Veteran status under Public Law (PL) 95-202 and 106-259, see M21-1, Part III, Subpart iii, 2.K.3.

Fact not opinion

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Dec 15 at 2019 8:18 PM

SPC Paul Davis — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:18:04 -0500

Training is tough and mentally challenging for everyone that signs up. I don't know the whole story so I'm not judging them. But I will say this ,if it's less than Honorable you don't get the privilege to call yourself a Veteran.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Dec 15 at 2019 8:51 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:51:45 -0500

Must be an Obama Veteran.. After his 8 were done everything reverted to the 0ld standard .. I think it was 181 days . .

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Dec 20 at 2019 5:42 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Fri, 20 Dec 2019 05:42:29 -0500

He is not even close to being a veteran. To be a Veteran a person has to complete training and go to a unit.

Response by SPC Nils Hammer made Dec 20 at 2019 12:17 PM

SPC Nils Hammer — Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:17:02 -0500

In basic during the cold war there were many jokes about how to get out, but all were met with a reply "180 days to qualify for benefits".

Response by PFC Holly Merryman made Dec 22 at 2019 3:00 PM

PFC Holly Merryman — Sun, 22 Dec 2019 15:00:42 -0500

Yes, as per regulations, stated multiple times in this thread, they are still considered a veteran if they received a dd214 that says "general and under honorable conditions". I served nearly five years before I was sent to medical command and evaluated as unfit to continue due to MST-PTSD. And there's still vets out there who try to say I'm not a vet. So, to put it frankly, yes they are a veteran. They are not a combat veteran, but they did serve the time that they were physically able to before becoming injured. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, a dishonorable discharge disqualifies you from being considered a veteran, though I believe that may be more for VA benefits than the title. I'm not entirely sure on that matter.

Response by CW4 Paul Kopriva made Dec 24 at 2019 6:05 PM

CW4 Paul Kopriva — Tue, 24 Dec 2019 18:05:29 -0500

No.

Response by SFC Monti Hall made Dec 25 at 2019 2:48 PM

SFC Monti Hall — Wed, 25 Dec 2019 14:48:25 -0500

one day served makes you a veteran

Response by SPC Edward Carpenter made Jan 2 at 2020 11:39 AM

SPC Edward Carpenter — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 11:39:56 -0500

Response by MSgt Sidney Lichter made Jan 2 at 2020 9:48 PM

MSgt Sidney Lichter — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 21:48:11 -0500

She put on the uniform, and swore the oath. If she had been killed by a terrorist at the same point in her training, she would have received full military honors. In my book, she's a veteran. I have many combat vet friends who say that as soon as she took the oath, she automatically became a veteran. Just because the politicians deny her benefits for not having served long enough, doesn't take away her status as a veteran.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2020 2:58 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jan 2020 02:58:22 -0500

Nope! A quitter, slacker, liar, but not a vet!

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Jan 7 at 2020 11:45 AM

SPC Robert Bobo — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 11:45:33 -0500

Depends on nature of discharge, if injury related with a honorable discharge however, many employers are seeking a minimum of a couple years active duty or comparable service time in NG or Reserve. I was speaking to a young man the other day, he got seriously injured at AF academy after 18 months , zero veteran status

Response by Matthew Weekley made Jan 8 at 2020 1:21 PM

Matthew Weekley — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 13:21:10 -0500

I would say if they've only served 5 months, then they should not be considered a veteran. I myself am a perfect example of a person who falls on the other side of that equation. I completed my basic training at great lakes (yes I'm Navy), and began my 6 year enlistment contract at Pensacola where my A school was slated for 2 years. About six months after basic, I was medically discharged with scoliosis and respiratory issues. Technically I qualify as a veteran. However during our Veterans Day ceremonies at church and at work, I typically don't put myself out there, mainly because I believe my contributions weren't equal to those other veterans I work or pray with. My father-in-law on the other hand has a different view, being an army veteran himself, feels that because I was able to do what I did, received my NDS ribbon and began my a school, that I should be proud to call myself a veteran.

Response by SPC David Buttrey made Jan 9 at 2020 10:15 PM

SPC David Buttrey — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 22:15:49 -0500

Only served five months and didn’t finish training?!? Uh nope! Don’t care what regulations say or how you spin it that’s not a veteran!

Response by SSgt Robert Van Buhler III made Jan 16 at 2020 10:43 AM

SSgt Robert Van Buhler III — Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:43:26 -0500

Got a DD214? You are a veteran. If not you are not. Simple test.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2020 1:21 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 13:21:22 -0500

5 months does not qualify a person for any benefits as a veteran.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Jan 27 at 2020 8:36 PM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:36:58 -0500

Some good points have been made, in the end, I think it would come to why they were discharged? Did they wash out for mental/psychological reasons? Were they just flat out unable or unwilling to meet standards? Were they injured in a training exercise rendering them unfit for service?

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Jan 29 at 2020 1:21 PM

MSgt George Fillgrove — Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:21:14 -0500

The current rule is two years for veterans status, and I would lean to the side of "NOT!" That is, unless something happened in basic.

However, remember that only about one percent of the population now serves our country in uniform and you don't know the nature or classification of his discharge. Therefore, unless he shows up for work wearing a uniform or decorations, I would suggest a more compassionate way of handling the situation. Simply thank him for his service and get him to talk about his experiences. An uncharacterized discharge really isn't worth much in terms of veterans status, but it is still reflects an individual's period of military service. It might be an example about this individual's "pure" motivation and determination to serve that obviously didn't end so well. It might be a good indicator of how he will do as an employee.

I have a family member who didn't finish Army basic training, but received an honorable discharge. His experience ended with physical injuries that have plagued him for the past 30 years, and is now going through the VA disability compensation process. It has taken my family member the better part of the last 30 years to even acknowledge his military service, which is really ironic given that his son is now a major assigned to the Pentagon. Failure to complete military service only propelled him into a highly respected career working for several not-for-profits where he is now a program manager.

I knew another man who was an Army Reservist who didn't finish basic training. Not only did he receive an honorable discharge, he was promoted to PFC at the five month point and is now a disabled veteran.

If this individual isn't a fake, at least he tried.

Response by SGT Stephen Basso made Jan 30 at 2020 12:13 AM

SGT Stephen Basso — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 00:13:39 -0500

Not enough information....certain AITs like ordnance as an example..people do get injured...permanently injured training. In that case i vote YES. Flunking out or walking away...NO... I personally
would be embarassed to even bring up that conversation. I seriously doubt the V.A. considers your five month wonder a Veteran on any level unless its extenuating as mentioned.

Response by SGT Matthew Brodycz made Jan 30 at 2020 6:30 AM

SGT Matthew Brodycz — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 06:30:16 -0500

We were always told that if you failed to complete 1 AIT and ultimately be awarded an MOS, you were not considered an active duty soldier. You were in the Army per se, but until you were awarded the MOS, were not in some respects. Secondly, at most, that person could have completed 155 days of service (provided there are 5 consecutive 31 day months) - which there are not. Someone below pointed out that the subjects DD214 would answer a lot of questions, that I believe to be the truth.

Response by CSM Patrick Durr made Jan 30 at 2020 7:38 AM

CSM Patrick Durr — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 07:38:42 -0500

Title 38, code of federal regulation...any service resulting in discharge characterized as general or honorable qualifies as a veteran. If...through no fault of his, he was injured in training and was unable to complete AIT, it is likely he has veteran status. If he was released due to soft failure or discipline...then he likely has a discharge that reflects that and is not qualified for veteran status. Veteran status doesn't equal veteran benefits. They vary. In some cases, if we brake you, we (army) will give you education benefits. The test, ask for DD214.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2020 9:55 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:55:44 -0500

Nope!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2020 9:56 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:56:04 -0500

Nope!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2020 10:10 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:10:02 -0500

Some of us that serve would say that you need to deploy to combat to be considered a Veteran Different debate for a different time. However, I would we all agree that you need to get out of AIT! Definitely not a Veteran.

Response by SSgt Anita Heuss made Jan 30 at 2020 10:25 AM

SSgt Anita Heuss — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:25:28 -0500

Depends on the reason. If he/she is actually a veteran and has access to the VA then what happened to that person would have been considered the fault of the military service involved (or someone else serving in that service). I have heard of several incidences over the years that ended up with multiple trainees being injured and killed very early on that could explain it. The navy had an incident years ago with a sewer backup that sickened many trainees and damaged their lungs. Just recently the Army dropped a bunch of trainees into a forest near where I live instead of the proper landing zone putting a bunch of them in the hospital. They were probably further along than 5 months but the point is the same. It takes a big mistake with multiple victims to make the news so there are probably many more single victim accidents in training than we ever hear about. The military teaches people to do dangerous things. Things happen. If they are injured due to what they were doing what does it matter that they only served a couple of months? If they got shot on their first assignment is it less of an injury than someone who had served for ten years? I am not saying the person's claims are valid but the validity depends on the circumstances, not the length of service.

Response by SFC Michael Bush made Jan 30 at 2020 12:34 PM

SFC Michael Bush — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 12:34:09 -0500

The only way that would qualify would be if an order was issued to terminate AIT early and they served prior to being discharged honorably. While I appreciate the intent, you have to complete Basic and AIT to become a soldier.

Response by SSG Patrick Chadd, Ed.D made Jan 30 at 2020 1:08 PM

SSG Patrick Chadd, Ed.D — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:08:49 -0500

NOPE - I was in the Army reserves for 13 years and in the Navy reserves for 2 years - and I do not consider myself a veteran. Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. Discharges marked “general and under honorable conditions” also qualify. ...

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Jan 30 at 2020 3:26 PM

Sgt Erle Mutz — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:26:53 -0500

In my opinion - You are not a "Veteran" unless you have a (positive) Discharge! That usually requires that you should have served for a number of years, in a positive (productive) manner, and been 'discharged'. Medical discharges can also be for a 'positive' reason. Having to "quit" during training does not qualify a person to "call themselves" a Veteran.

Response by SGT Shane Larson made Jan 30 at 2020 3:35 PM

SGT Shane Larson — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:35:49 -0500

Fluck No she is not a veteran by any stretch of the imagination.

Response by Sgt Robert Hydrick made Jan 30 at 2020 5:08 PM

Sgt Robert Hydrick — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:08:33 -0500

I wouldn't think so

Response by SSG Leo Emerick made Jan 30 at 2020 7:51 PM

SSG Leo Emerick — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:51:13 -0500

180 days of consecutive active duty
Training doesnt count .
Put tanning clause in for guard and reserves wouldn't be vets unless deployed

Response by SSG Theresa Anderson made Jan 31 at 2020 4:02 AM

SSG Theresa Anderson — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:02:13 -0500

I have one better...a guy in my daughter's marine recruitment pool went to boot camp and came back after less than 3 weeks and he's claiming he's now a veteran. Wow, the way some of these kids think is hilarious!

Response by SFC Don Vance made Jan 31 at 2020 5:00 AM

SFC Don Vance — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 05:00:27 -0500

My federal definition they're a veteran. All the qualifications that others have stated pertains to VA eligibility and benefits.

Response by PO1 Orlando Miller made Jan 31 at 2020 8:39 AM

PO1 Orlando Miller — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:39:28 -0500

Understanding veteran status and eligibility for VA benefits is as follows:

38 U.S. Code § 101. Definitions
(2) The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.

Keep in mind, there's also a minimum active duty requirement (Ref. 38 CFR § 3.12a - Minimum active-duty service requirement as well as exceptions (Ref. 10 U.S. Code § 1171) that can apply.

Response by PO1 Lyndon Thomas made Jan 31 at 2020 8:48 AM

PO1 Lyndon Thomas — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:48:16 -0500

Veteran is defined mostly in two ways: a person who has had long experience in a particular field. or, a person who has served in the military. Notice, there is no specific time limit, certain position or type of service. But, if you looked at the definition of Service-the action of helping or doing work for someone. By most military req's and standards one must have served 180 consecutive days of military service to earn this Distinguished title. So by these standards, the answer would be no.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2020 10:38 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:38:07 -0500

I would, while respecting the individuals privacy, talk to them. Perhaps they got sick at training, or as the case of my brother in law, got severely sick with pneumonia and lost functionality of one of his lungs. through no fault of his own he was placed on medical hold for 6 months, meeting the recruiter manual annotation of 180 days of consecutive active duty days to be considered a veteran. While he does not actively claim to be a veteran and is currently working to try and get back healthy so he can rejoin, he still technically is a veteran. I would inquire about more information in the situation that got them out of the military. Perhaps there was something that was beyond their control.

As a community and family of veterans we should not be so quick to dismiss those who have not served as long as others, or finished different things. we should strive to draw closer together and support each other.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2020 10:58 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:58:47 -0500

I thought it was upon successful completion of BCT. Until then you are a recruit, but from the VA itself:

Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.

So if your co-worker was discharged honorably (includes med board), then is considered a veteran by the VA.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2020 12:25 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:25:52 -0500

If you flunk out of medical school are you a doctor?

Response by CW4 William Kessinger made Jan 31 at 2020 1:14 PM

CW4 William Kessinger — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 13:14:44 -0500

No, No, No!!! Serve a full tour and get full credit for the commitment to your country. If she couldn't take active duty then at least the Guard of Reserves. But if you did not make it through AIT??? That's like calling myself a Doctor because my college secondary was a course in Anatomy 101.

Response by SSG Arlene Rivera made Jan 31 at 2020 2:00 PM

SSG Arlene Rivera — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:00:49 -0500

Check the Vet Guide before making a rush to judgement. See above comment. Thanks.

Response by SSG Arlene Rivera made Jan 31 at 2020 2:04 PM

SSG Arlene Rivera — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:04:17 -0500

She may be a veteran if she fits any of the following from the Veterans Guide:
1. Served for more than 180 consecutive days, other than for training, any part of which occurred after 1/31/1955 and before 10/15/1976; OR
2. Served any time during the Gulf War from 8/2/1990 through 1/2/1992. (Service member must have served continuously for a period of 24 months or the full period called or ordered to active duty. Service members who served during the Gulf War did not have to actually serve time in the Gulf War Region); OR
3. Served for more than 180 consecutive days, other than for training, any part of which occurred during the period beginning September 11, 2001, and ending on August 31, 2010, the last day of Operation Iraqi Freedom; OR
4. Served in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign medal has been authorized, including: El Salvador, Grenada, Haiti, Lebanon, Panama, Somalia, Southwest Asia, and Bosnia. Any Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal or Campaign Badge, whether listed or not, is qualifying. If originally enlisted after 9/7/1980, must have served continuously for a period of 24 months or the full period called or ordered to duty. (See OPM Vet Guide, Appendix A, for wars, campaigns and expeditions.)
5. Served at any time AND has a present service-connected disability or is receiving compensation, disability retirement benefits, or pension from the military or VA.

Response by PO1 Jeff Brown made Jan 31 at 2020 5:20 PM

PO1 Jeff Brown — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:20:46 -0500

I think that depends on their attitude. I have a friend who wanted to be a Marine so bad he could taste it. He found out he had flat feet in boot camp and they processed him out. I still call him Marine. He volunteered, he tried. Now if someone just couldn’t handle the stress, I’d have a hard time calling them a veteran.

Response by SGT John Reeb made Jan 31 at 2020 5:52 PM

SGT John Reeb — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:52:12 -0500

No.

Response by PFC Steven Spalding made Jan 31 at 2020 7:26 PM

PFC Steven Spalding — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:26:32 -0500

I do believe a Veteran that had an early out because of injury starts at 18 months. I may be wrong but, I see many forms for benefits that say 18 months and 1 day to be eligible. Being shot, blown-up or injured is no disgrace, it's a tragedy.

Response by CPO John Moran made Jan 31 at 2020 8:20 PM

CPO John Moran — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 20:20:07 -0500

I met a veteran at the VA who only served 5 days and receives 100% VA disability. Very discouraging!

Response by PFC Gene Schein made Feb 1 at 2020 6:49 AM

PFC Gene Schein — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 06:49:40 -0500

No I do think he's a veteran

Response by PFC Gene Schein made Feb 1 at 2020 6:52 AM

PFC Gene Schein — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 06:52:30 -0500

I had six years in the army and spend 17 month in Germany

Response by TSgt Charles Kelley made Feb 1 at 2020 11:05 AM

TSgt Charles Kelley — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 11:05:04 -0500

Didn't make it through AIT! No way would that qualify you as a veteran! You hadn't even spent 1 day in full time operating military service!

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Feb 1 at 2020 1:31 PM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 13:31:45 -0500

180 days of ACTIVE service makes you a Vet. However, if you suffer an injury that makes you “unserviceable “ and you are Medically Discharge, there could be a difference. One, the injury will be covered by the VA and only that injury. I’m not sure if that makes you a Vet tho.

Response by SPC Raymond Allen made Feb 1 at 2020 2:27 PM

SPC Raymond Allen — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 14:27:11 -0500

Response by MAJ Stephen Zglinicki made Feb 1 at 2020 6:41 PM

MAJ Stephen Zglinicki — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 18:41:12 -0500

180 consecutive days in any US military service branch makes you a VET(check the REGs)...5 months or 150 days amounts to wasted time with a pay check.

Response by SSG Bobby Richardson made Feb 2 at 2020 6:13 AM

SSG Bobby Richardson — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 06:13:42 -0500

Ummm... "Veteran-Lite", maybe. There's a case to be made for having served on active duty; and there are plenty of folk who never saw combat who are/can be called 'Veteran'; but didn't even finish your school so you could get out in the world and do your job? Not so much.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2020 9:13 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 09:13:45 -0500

I wouldn't, seeing as they didnt finish Initial Entry Training.

Response by SFC Michael Hanke made Feb 2 at 2020 12:10 PM

SFC Michael Hanke — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 12:10:40 -0500

The USDVA would recognize this individual as a veteran for benefits, I've witnessed basic washouts receiving 70%+ in VA benefits.

Response by SFC Clifton Brown made Feb 2 at 2020 3:32 PM

SFC Clifton Brown — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 15:32:18 -0500

This is a difficult question but I'll try to be brief. Without knowing the circumstances of how your co-worker was injured or the type of discharge the co-worker received, as I see it, anyone who served in the military and was discharged honorably deserves veteran status, especially if they were injured in the line of duty. While some may not agree with my definition, consider consider this; as a draft volunteer at 17 (1972), I knew that I would have no choice but to serve and to this day I have no regrets. Today however, young women and men do have a choice, so I give them the deserved honors of at least wanting to serve. Some don't make the cut their honorable release from active duty should never eclipse the attempt.

Not all of us are going to be Ranger, D-Force, paratrooper, fighter pilots or leave the military with buku awards and decorations, but still they all served. As a combat-disabled veteran, I knew that for every one of us in theater, there were at least several dozen others in uniform performing support positions necessary to achieve mission capability. I suffer now from injuries I received in a horrific convoy accident that killed 3 of my fellow soldier in the 5th week of basic training and to this day I suffer from injuries I received then. Some of those injuries such as Kidney trauma and traumatic brain injury went undetected until after I retired from the military in 2015.

If the regulations say people with your friends status should not get recognition, at least she should get it from us.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Feb 2 at 2020 7:29 PM

SFC John Fourquet — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 19:29:21 -0500

Legally this co-worker is a veteran if he received an honorable discharge. See 38CRF 3.1 definitions.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2020 9:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 21:02:45 -0500

Washouts shouldnt even have a prior service classification, but vet status

Response by SSgt M. B. Ingersoll made Feb 2 at 2020 10:57 PM

SSgt M. B. Ingersoll — Sun, 02 Feb 2020 22:57:21 -0500

I have NO idea why THIS topic was emailed to me today, 02 FEB 2020, for a topic that's three YEARS old! However, my two cents - while I agree this person may not "deserve" to be called a Veteran, I believe that, as long as he/she served 180 consecutive days on active duty (as several others pointed out), he/she IS a Veteran in the eyes of the government (and for purposes of VA benefits, as well) - assuming there was an honorable discharge, of course.

Response by SSgt Paul Murray made Feb 3 at 2020 1:01 AM

SSgt Paul Murray — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 01:01:25 -0500

According to the VA and Title 38 a veteran is anyone who has been discharged or released other than dishonorable.
National Guard or a reservist must have retired with 20 years or more or federally activated 180 days or more .
Someone made a comment about a cold war Victory Medal and ribbon. There is no authorized medal or Ribbon except for Louisiana, Texas and Alaska National Guard (ribbon only). Five different Congressional attempts have been made but ultimately shot down by the Department of Defense. It cannot be worn on an official military uniform.

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Feb 3 at 2020 1:25 AM

SSG Michael Doolittle — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 01:25:40 -0500

Not in my book, but I have Seen some get Veterans Benefits with only being in a week or so, discharged medical or administrative. My step father being one, given burial benefits and in less than a week, headstones says Private Howard s. Doolittle Jr buried in Grass Valley California

Response by Cpl Ronald Everitt made Feb 3 at 2020 4:01 PM

Cpl Ronald Everitt — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 16:01:49 -0500

Maybe not quite the same scenario but from my Hoosier community-Hamilton Indiana where I did my 12 years lower edu. at there was a fellow and I rather consider him an rather odd sort of Veteran under the odd situation as he was answering the call for having been drafted but anyway as during a draft and whether drafted or enlisted as many of us are aware of those same Greyhound Bus rides were all the same,when for his call-up was to go Army that war was called off on way to Boot Camp so then as the story went got orders to turn around and go back home:)

Response by PO1 Nathan Correll made Feb 3 at 2020 6:56 PM

PO1 Nathan Correll — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 18:56:32 -0500

90 days of Active Duty Service qualifies a person as a veteran. The manner of their service, i.e. whether or not they served in combat, is NOT a determining factor of veteran status.

Anyone who states that non-combat duty means that a person is not "technically" or otherwise a veteran is wrong.

A person that serves five months and is discharged for medical reasons is still a veteran, as is anyone who serves 90 consecutive days on active duty. That individual doesn't get retirement or any access to base facilities, but they do get VA if their medical discharge qualifies for it and they retain their GI Bill benefits as long as the discharge is Honorable in nature.

Response by Sgt Jesus Serafez made Feb 3 at 2020 7:03 PM

Sgt Jesus Serafez — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 19:03:36 -0500

To give you a real answer and not from my personal opinion on what a Veteran is; a Veteran is anyone with a Honorable discharge and the length of time has nothing to do with it.

Response by PV2 Mark Baker made Feb 3 at 2020 9:59 PM

PV2 Mark Baker — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 21:59:11 -0500

Response by SGT Larry Green made Feb 4 at 2020 2:42 AM

SGT Larry Green — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 02:42:33 -0500

She can´t be a Veteran...

Response by SPC Rodger Bell made Feb 4 at 2020 4:37 AM

SPC Rodger Bell — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 04:37:03 -0500

unless they was medical out then I would say no

Response by PV2 Keith Young made Feb 4 at 2020 8:53 AM

PV2 Keith Young — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 08:53:11 -0500

If you served over 180 days on active duty, you are a veteran. What was the reason they only served that little time? Were they injured? Under what circumstances. I was just in IET when I was injured and could not complete. It took the Med Board months to make a decision. I do get vet benefits, I have a DD214, and an Honorable Discharge.

Response by SSG Lonny Self made Feb 4 at 2020 9:17 AM

SSG Lonny Self — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 09:17:42 -0500

No I call that answering the call but did not complete and what we in the old days called a bolo ,

Response by SPC Calvin Robinson made Feb 4 at 2020 9:37 AM

SPC Calvin Robinson — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 09:37:01 -0500

Only if he did Basic Training as a prisoner of war! Otherwise, probably not a veteran.

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Feb 4 at 2020 10:07 AM

PO3 Kevin DeLong — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 10:07:58 -0500

During Vietnam many fresh out of boot were sent directly to Vietnam . They had 10 weeks training. They were called FNG or FOOK new Guys. Many were killed in the first week. So they had less than 3 months in the service. They are veterans and are on the wall just like guys with 30 years killed in Vietnam.

Response by SPC Calvin Robinson made Feb 4 at 2020 10:33 AM

SPC Calvin Robinson — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 10:33:22 -0500

Only if he did Basic Training in a North Korean internment camp. Otherwise no, he/she is not a veteran.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2020 2:58 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 14:58:02 -0500

I don't know the circumstanse behind her case but no a veteran would be someone who has completed their contract if she got injured and med boarded she would have been in a little more than a year she either did something or quit in basic as a recycle she's lying and just wants attention

Response by SPC Nancy Summers made Feb 4 at 2020 3:11 PM

SPC Nancy Summers — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 15:11:03 -0500

No. She couldn't even finish the minimum to be a contributing member of the team....

Response by SPC David Crable made Feb 4 at 2020 4:31 PM

SPC David Crable — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 16:31:40 -0500

Unfortunately no.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2020 4:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 16:32:02 -0500

unless they were wounded by enemy fire? ( they likelyhood of that is zero) You have to complete AIT or you're no veteran.
It's insane to call that person a veteran. 26 and a half years I've been in. I consider those that call themselves veterans had damn well best be veterans.

Response by PO3 Martin Harris made Feb 5 at 2020 5:01 AM

PO3 Martin Harris — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 05:01:59 -0500

I had a brother-in-law who joined the NAVY. in 3 weeks he said that there was no way he could be away from his family ( it was just his mother and a much younger sister) so they let him go home. and paid the bus fair !!!!! he is still a loser and has been in jail more then free. the U.S. NAVY won that one !!!!!! I have NOT said a word to him in 25 years !

Response by PO3 Peter Beloin made Feb 5 at 2020 7:49 AM

PO3 Peter Beloin — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 07:49:58 -0500

well, my personal feeling is that they did not finish training... thus they did not serve our country in any capacity... thus they are not a veteran in my eyes.

Response by SSG Donald Carr made Feb 5 at 2020 10:56 AM

SSG Donald Carr — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 10:56:18 -0500

I am a retired Army SGT, served 20 years including Desert Shield\Storm While I agree with the MSG's statement ("She's a quitter"), Regulations define a veteran this way:
"Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces ...

Response by SPC John Fleenor made Feb 5 at 2020 1:31 PM

SPC John Fleenor — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:31:25 -0500

That would have been coded as an ELS (Entry Level Separation) and they do not qualify as a Veteran, or for Veteran benefits.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2020 1:40 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:40:53 -0500

Short answer is No. Long answer is that she probably feels bad that she didn't make it out of AIT, so don't give her heck about it either (not directed at you, rather those that I see that have), even if it was her own fault. Without knowing the details there are many reasons why one could fail out of AIT. Truth be told, only 1% of the US population enter the military, so with that said, kudos to her for trying! I have known several individuals in my days that wished they were fit enough to enter the military, but not everyone is. I'm thankful every day that I was given the gift to be fit enough to have not only entered but make it my career for the last 25 years.

Response by SSgt Rebekah Bradfield made Feb 5 at 2020 1:45 PM

SSgt Rebekah Bradfield — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 13:45:07 -0500

Technically, they are a Veteran. I would only have a discussion with them if they are lying about how much they've done or milking the status for benefits that don't deserve. It sounds like they are being honest.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2020 4:14 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 16:14:16 -0500

YES

Response by SGT Leonard Goodboe made Feb 5 at 2020 9:30 PM

SGT Leonard Goodboe — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 21:30:00 -0500

Depends on the reason, If it is a permanent Military disability I would say yes. But if you just could not hack it. My Labrador is more of a veteran at that point.

Response by Col Casey "Radio" G. made Feb 5 at 2020 11:39 PM

Col Casey "Radio" G. — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 23:39:44 -0500

Seems the bigger question is not whether this person is a veteran, but why he or she claims veteran status following 5 months of service? What would he or she gain or lose if our responses were tallied, delivered, and considered authoritative? If your co-worker believed the oath, intended to serve, and left involuntarily (but honorably), that's one thing. But... if your co-worker is looking for resource gains or notoriety, that's entirely different.

Response by CSM Cleavy Stanley made Feb 6 at 2020 12:17 AM

CSM Cleavy Stanley — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 00:17:36 -0500

I am under the impression that one must complete basic training in order to be considered a veteran

Response by CPL D Malone made Feb 6 at 2020 10:19 AM

CPL D Malone — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 10:19:04 -0500

In order to obtain veterans status, you must serve at least 180 days consecutive days (6 months). serving 5 months is not considered enough time to be considered a veteran...

Response by SGT James Williams made Feb 6 at 2020 10:27 AM

SGT James Williams — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 10:27:12 -0500

They're not telling the whole story. This is some medical discharge for what are the circumstances? Give us more information. I can give you an honest answer.

Response by 1stLt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2020 10:30 AM

1stLt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 10:30:22 -0500

Depends on why they didn't finish. If they were medically separated then yes, if it was admin/disciplinary reasons or they just quit then no. That's just my opinion though. Technically, they hold a rank while under a training status and are paid by the DOD for being a soldier. So that does qualify them as a vet.

Response by SSG Peter Kriz made Feb 6 at 2020 10:32 AM

SSG Peter Kriz — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 10:32:04 -0500

Absolutely not, some kid I went to HS with joined the marines and cried his wAy out, before completing basic training. I’ve seen him around sporting a USMC BDU Hat with Globe and anchor and it disgusts me.

Sua Sponte

Response by PO1 Thomas Schauer made Feb 6 at 2020 2:45 PM

PO1 Thomas Schauer — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:45:43 -0500

I was told that you have to complete 180 days none of wich can be for training purposes. Can you even receive a DD214 without serving 180 days?

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Feb 6 at 2020 3:07 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:07:52 -0500

When you enlist, it is for a specific amount of time. When I enlisted it was an 8 year obligation. There is no such thing as a 5 month enlistment. If he was released after 5 months, he either screwed up really bad or was not qualified to enlist in the first place. That does not make him a veteran.

Response by LTC Betty Holm made Feb 6 at 2020 7:32 PM

LTC Betty Holm — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:32:21 -0500

According to recent legislature in 2018, if a person is on active duty which includes basic training and they are medically discharged they are a Veteran.

Response by LTC Betty Holm made Feb 6 at 2020 7:38 PM

LTC Betty Holm — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:38:29 -0500

Let me clarify. I simply provided what legislature passed. I did not state that I agree unless the medical problem was due to poor supervision and unavoidable medical accident that ended their career before it got started.

Response by 2d Lt Thomas O'Reilly made Feb 7 at 2020 2:05 AM

2d Lt Thomas O'Reilly — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 02:05:21 -0500

My understanding (unless it's changed) is that you cant get an Honorable Discharge until after 180 days minimum. So, I think not. They can say they were in Basic & maybe started AIT, did not get to be officially sworn in as a member of the military family & take the official Oath of Office.

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Feb 9 at 2020 11:15 PM

MSG Allan Davis — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:15:10 -0500

180 days of service is what makes someone a Veteran your friend fell short.

Response by Sgt Jeff Rogers made Feb 10 at 2020 3:12 AM

Sgt Jeff Rogers — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 03:12:49 -0500

min is 6 months or 180 days anything short of that no way

Response by SPC Michael Collins made Feb 10 at 2020 12:14 PM

SPC Michael Collins — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:14:18 -0500

No and he shouldn't either!

Response by LCDR Bruce Cooley made Feb 10 at 2020 3:44 PM

LCDR Bruce Cooley — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:44:48 -0500

Not sure what the "technical" answer is.....if that individual gets VA bene's because of the injury, I believe that technically they are..... but I doubt it.

Response by SCPO Jim Stinson made Feb 13 at 2020 12:28 AM

SCPO Jim Stinson — Thu, 13 Feb 2020 00:28:35 -0500

If the injured soldier was on active duty in accordance with the contract they signed to serve this country, then I consider them a vet. If they INTENTIONALLY injured themselves then of that is another story.

Not sure about the law mentioned by the recruiter above, but I do remember something about 180 days being involved.

Response by SGT Chad Rogers made Feb 23 at 2020 11:47 AM

SGT Chad Rogers — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 11:47:55 -0500

Regardless of how I personally feel about someone as a veteran there are weird circumstances that officially categorize one as a veteran. As I was recovering in a WTB a soldier was assigned to it for his stateside injuries incurred while assisting at a recruiting event prior to even going to BCT. His records show be officially is considered a veteran. He was placed on active duty for a long period of time (I can’t recall how long but I retired in 2014 & he was still there) for treatments. He was even awarded a Soldiers Medal for saving the life of his recruiter. His recruiter had raised the climbing wall & was too close a power line at the Jefferson County, TN County Fair. I understood they didn’t hit the line but we’re too close to it. That understanding of mine may have been incorrect or misremembered at this point. The recruiter ended up loosing an arm from injuries sustained & the kid lost a foot or a portion of the foot. The recruiter whom I knew personally was also at the WTB with the kid. I know the recruiter was medically retired & I understand the kid was too. I occasionally run into him at our local VA. So, weirdly he officially is a veteran who never shipped to basic. Sounds far fetched but by the government he’s officially same level as I am who was medically retired after seventeen years as an 11C with OIF & OND time. I don’t recall his name but if someone wants to look it up I’m sure there’s articles online that’ll disclose his name. He may only have a Soldiers Medal & National Defense & not even an Army Service Ribbon. I try to never say never & I acknowledge that what the regulations say & my personal opinion don’t always correlate.

Response by CPL Ronald Hoch made Mar 4 at 2020 7:24 PM

CPL Ronald Hoch — Wed, 04 Mar 2020 19:24:39 -0500

He is not a veteran by far, just a hoodlum...

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2020 2:59 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:59:24 -0400

For the purposes of the VA...I believe that person is eligible for care for a service-connected disability. Some VSOs don't admit members unless they've been in a combat AOR (VFW, for instance...it's in the name, Veterans of Foreign Wars)...if they put on the uniform, served honorably, did initial tour or retired after 40...or medically discharged, they are in our family.

Response by SSgt David Wilkins made Mar 13 at 2020 12:52 AM

SSgt David Wilkins — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 00:52:55 -0400

In the Marine Corps, if you graduate from boot camp, YOU ARE A MARINE, FOREVER. even if you get injured and don't get thru your mos school, YOU ARE STILL A MARINE. You still earned your EGA, and got you basic MOS of 0311(Basic Rifleman).

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Mar 15 at 2020 5:45 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:45:05 -0400

It simple, NO!

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Mar 16 at 2020 2:35 AM

SFC Charles E Hightower — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 02:35:22 -0400

They must have 181 day Active service!! on there DD Form 214

Response by COL William Oseles made Mar 16 at 2020 2:10 PM

COL William Oseles — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:10:40 -0400

Question: Was the individual medically separated and given a VA Card?
Insufficient information provided.
A In Line of Duty injury could be the reason for the separation and if the government is providing VA care for that injury than yes, they are a Veteran.
That is quite different than failing the PT test or being found unsuitable.

Response by CAPT Patrick Mulcahy made Mar 16 at 2020 11:30 PM

CAPT Patrick Mulcahy — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 23:30:29 -0400

There are two shades of veteran - those with benefits (180 days of continuous active duty) and those who have less. As I understand recent legislation, you can be one or the other.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2020 12:11 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 00:11:19 -0400

No way.

Response by SSgt John Megahan made Mar 18 at 2020 8:18 PM

SSgt John Megahan — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 20:18:36 -0400

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2020 8:32 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 08:32:30 -0400

Absolutely NOT! To be considered a veteran, in the least is serve 180 consecutive days of active duty, NOT INCLUDING TRAINING... further more, if INITIAL training, which AIT is Basic training part II, isn't completed, how can you consider anyone a veteran of any armed service?

Response by SSgt Justin Taylor made Mar 19 at 2020 1:48 PM

SSgt Justin Taylor — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:48:14 -0400

Lots of answers here, but I haven't seen enough information at this point to really give an opinion. Was this person injured and then forced to leave due to those injuries? Did they just quit and leave? No matter what they are aren't a combat vet, but some circumstances might make them legally a vet.

I was sent to medical hold due to an injury caused by the stupidity of other morons in the Air Force, forcing me to wear shoes that were 2 sizes too big, because I couldn't wear my own shows, and they had no wide shoe sizes. After running 3+ miles a day and marching all day and being a road guard running in my boots, it added up.

HOWEVER, after 6 weeks in medical hold, I found out they were going to send me home, because someone told them I wouldn't be able to rejoin my unit with my injuries. So I went directly to the Colonel in charge, ignored his gatekeepers and walked right into his office to have a conversation. Long story short, his final question for me was, "If I send you back to training today, would you be able to go?"

My answer: "Yes! Because I see that I have 2 choices... either I quit right now and never know if I could have finished. Or I go back to training to give it my best shot, despite everything else, and I will either graduate, or I'll get sent back here knowing I did my best and get medically discharged. But I'll have no regrets."

I went back, graduated and although I had more problems due to my injuries in tech school, I still went on to serve honorably and fulfilled my 6 year obligation and then was even stop-lossed for another year before my 8 year commitment ended. I still have pain and problems to this day, due to those injuries, but I didn't quit either.

So if they quit or failed or got hurt and didn't do everything in their power to at least try and finish, then no... they don't deserve the title. But if their DD14 calls them a veteran, then they are one. Who am I to judge. But if it doesn't and they are claiming they are, then there are federal laws against that too... making it a crime.

Response by Capt Ray Lummus made Mar 19 at 2020 4:44 PM

Capt Ray Lummus — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:44:11 -0400

In the Marines, one "becomes" a Marine when presented the Eagle, Globe and Anchor at the end of boot camp.

Response by GySgt Richard McCauley made Mar 19 at 2020 10:13 PM

GySgt Richard McCauley — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 22:13:28 -0400

If you have a National Defense Ribbon, you have served over 6 months at a time of ARMED CONFLICT and that would determine your right to claim Veteran status. (Not a COMBAT Veteran, but veteran.)

Response by PV2 Wendy Betterton made Mar 19 at 2020 11:16 PM

PV2 Wendy Betterton — Thu, 19 Mar 2020 23:16:44 -0400

Do they have a DD-214? I was in basic training when the Gulf War started and because I stayed stateside I call myself a Gulf War era veteran. I was early discharged w/ honors because I had injured my knee in basic training. My 2 oldest brothers are retired Lt. Colonels. My dad is a Korean War Navy veteran. I was in for about 14 months and was stationed at Fort Polk.

Response by Sgt Christopher DeAngelis made Mar 20 at 2020 9:12 AM

Sgt Christopher DeAngelis — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:12:13 -0400

You may not consider them a vet but, I work in a VA Hospital and you can be 1 day in the military and be considered a veteran. It just depends on why you were discharged.

Response by SFC Dan Watkins made Mar 20 at 2020 11:34 AM

SFC Dan Watkins — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:34:10 -0400

Depends on the discharge they were given (Medical, Honorable, Other than Honorable) or whatever. Their DD214 will have that infor on it!

Response by SFC Ricky Broadnax made Mar 20 at 2020 2:17 PM

SFC Ricky Broadnax — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:17:30 -0400

Ask them if they have a DD 214
If they don’t they’re not a veteran

Response by SFC Ricky Broadnax made Mar 20 at 2020 2:19 PM

SFC Ricky Broadnax — Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:19:34 -0400

And you must have completed 180 days of training to get a DD 214

Response by Cpl Travis Fryzowicz made Mar 21 at 2020 10:20 AM

Cpl Travis Fryzowicz — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:20:54 -0400

NO , they should not be considered a veteran, he or she did not complete basic training and were never assigned to a military unit.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Frusha made Mar 21 at 2020 7:27 PM

SPC Jeffrey Frusha — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:27:11 -0400

What type of discharge? Plenty of people are Honorably Discharged for Medical Reasons after injuries received in Basic and AIT. Others have experienced assault and personal injury, some due to Military Sexual Trauma, both male and female (I know some of both) and received an Honorable Discharge for Medical Reasons.

It's all a case-by-case basis and dependent wholly upon the type of discharge.

Medcal? Honorable Conditions? Damned straight they are veterans.

Dishonorable? Other than Honorable Conditions? Hell no.

Response by PFC Richard Nuss made Mar 21 at 2020 10:58 PM

PFC Richard Nuss — Sat, 21 Mar 2020 22:58:48 -0400

By law 180 days you do the math .

Response by SGT Alfred Cox made Mar 22 at 2020 10:49 AM

SGT Alfred Cox — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:49:56 -0400

lmmfao...I'm just here to read the comments..lol

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2020 11:26 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:26:14 -0400

Umm definitely not, you not even technically in the army until you finish training. So no they are not a vet lol

Response by LCpl Russell Wallace made Mar 22 at 2020 11:44 AM

LCpl Russell Wallace — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:44:48 -0400

Hell no

Response by TSgt David Olson made Mar 22 at 2020 3:06 PM

TSgt David Olson — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:06:22 -0400

A sprained ankle and got depressed and then an administrative separation? The guideline in both basic and AIT, in my army time 1963-1966 was, go on sick call two days after you’re dead. You did not want to get recycled, set back, in training. So no, she is not a veteran, and would be considered as such by any ‘genuine’ veteran

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Mar 22 at 2020 7:31 PM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:31:59 -0400

That person is not a veteran; due to time served. However they may have some sort of medical compensation and therefore could receive some benefits.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Mar 22 at 2020 8:50 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:50:35 -0400

It depends on WHY he did not finish AIT.

If he rocked out of AIT, then no.

If he failed do to physical requirements, i.e. failed pt test or being overweight. Then No.

If he got hit by a bus, and broke his leg, and could no longer be X MOS, and he took the med board... then yes.

If he was split option, finished Basic, and then broke a leg playing football in his senior year, then yes...

IN the Navy one can be on active duty without formal training in an MOS. But, the rest of the services require an actual MOS to be on active duty, it is the basic hurdle, besides IET, that all people must complete in order to be a veteran.

So, for me, if something happened that is out of his control, and unavoidable or at least unforeseeable, and it prevented him form finishing his time in service he is a veteran.

If he could not cut the discipline then he is not a veteran.

Response by PO3 Terry Stephens made Mar 23 at 2020 2:10 AM

PO3 Terry Stephens — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:10:58 -0400

I have a different take on this. WHY did she not finish AIT? My younger sibling was (is) a Marine. He served only about 11 months counting medical hold. However, I say he is a veteran. I say it because he did not quit. He contracted Pneumonia in AIT. Rather than face his DI sand be berated for being weak he stuck it out till he was hours from death. A bunk mate called the duty DI late one Sunday night, who called an ambulance. He lost over half of one lung and then had to endure medical hold for months. Being treated by the DI's there as a quitter because "all med hold recruits are quitters" He never once complained. He just did his duty till they let him go home.

I should add that aside from the disability payments and the VA medical my sibling does not in any way flaunt that service.

Please do not automatically call anyone with so little time and a medical discharge a quitter without first getting the story.

Terry L Stephens
Former STG3 United States Navy, March 1987 to May 1992.

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Mar 23 at 2020 6:53 AM

SPC Matt Ovaska — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 06:53:12 -0400

I guess you could say that you are a pilot after 5 months of training or a doctor. If it does not quack, have feathers, or walk like a duck, it probably is not a duck.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2020 7:45 AM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:45:07 -0400

I wouldn't call her a veteran, but technically she is a veteran and qualified for benefits thru the VA if she had an honorable discharge. It is obviously she had more kahones to do what the other 99% Americans failed to do. Another thing we should remember when judging others. We don't know the whole story. As you make your way thru the ranks you will see how there are senior officers and NCOs that have far less integrity, should be reduced to E1, discharged from the military, and most based on the Manual for Courts-Martial should be in prison. You must remember, there is very little integrity in the military, there's even less at Ft. Bragg. If you want integrity and all those great concepts they teach in basic, read your Army Values card. That's probably one of the only places that you will find Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selflessness Service, Honor, Integrity. Most everyone shows personal courage when they show up for Basic.
Be careful what you read young padawan about the military and servicemembers on this site and other blogs. If you haven't learned yet, and as we see with the Coronavirus, our government and military use outdated plans and processes. There are a lot of senior ranking people (especially on this blog) that put out wrong, unethical, outdated concepts and philosophies. If you want to learn of a good leader, read about Col. Mike Steele.

Response by SSG Danny Neve made Mar 23 at 2020 9:24 AM

SSG Danny Neve — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:24:37 -0400

5 months! How many people on here spent 5 months in the field (non-deployed). I’ve spent more time trying to poop in the field than that person spent in the military. Their DD 214 reflects their inability to adapt. They can not claim Veteran Status.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2020 9:52 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:52:28 -0400

I t could depend upon the reason for her discharge.
If she was severely injured in an on duty event, and was declared physically unfit for duty, I guess her heart was in the right place.
Does she qualify for VA services and disability?
Or as others have pointed out, she up and left when life got tough, then NO NO NO!

Response by PFC Russell W made Mar 23 at 2020 12:20 PM

PFC Russell W — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:20:57 -0400

No. I spent almost 16months as a Reservist and I'm not a Veteran. Why? Because I never saw "Active Duty" only ADT (Active Duty for Training). That is what defines a Veteran to the VA and other legal definitions not time in service. Active Duty Training doesn't count as "Active Duty". And that's what he did, training so NO. I have worked for government entities and I am always honest and say NO I'm not a Vet (legally) I'm prior service and I never get a frown.
I think most people lie and get away with it because they have a Dd214 or Seperation paperwork and bosses assume they're a " Veteran" but nope.
The most honest thing your friend can do is say what I do " I'm prior service, I'm not a Vet because I dont have any Active Duty days". The Army HRC etc and most service members might consider us Vets but legally were not, so it's best for him to be honest.

Response by MAJ Mark Steskal made Mar 23 at 2020 2:03 PM

MAJ Mark Steskal — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:03:50 -0400

Nope! Unless he was injured (etc.) and qualifies for VA, not a Vet.

Response by Sandy Linden made Mar 23 at 2020 2:32 PM

Sandy Linden — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:32:54 -0400

Response by SPC Alexis Taggart made Mar 23 at 2020 2:35 PM

SPC Alexis Taggart — Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:35:55 -0400

Ok well whoever just said if u weren’t in a combat zone u aren’t a veteran, your an idiot. More then half the military doesn’t even go to combat zones. Shit most people stay state side. Especially if u are a woman and cannot have infantry jobs. We’re limited to combat roles. Anyways I think it depends on the matter of which they left the military. Shit I didn’t do 20 years but I did a few, was freaking raped on base, kicked out after court happened a few years after the fact. And if someone was to say oh I wasn’t a veteran cus I didn’t see out my contract I’d knock them the fuck out. I did my time and what happened was fucked up but it wasn’t my choice to leave. Now if this woman just left to leave then yeah she ain’t shit.

Response by PO1 Stan Robertson made Mar 24 at 2020 2:21 AM

PO1 Stan Robertson — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 02:21:45 -0400

20+ years USN. '71-'91. 70% disabled (service connected) Question. Name me ONE job, where you do your 2, 4, or 6 years, and expect full retirement benefits. I EARNED every bit of my pay, and then some. It took me about 22 years to get medically certified as disabled. I've been on the shitter longer than some of these guys.

Response by 1stSgt Jay Archie made Mar 24 at 2020 11:18 AM

1stSgt Jay Archie — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:18:34 -0400

Only needs 30 days and an honorable discharge to qualify as a veteran and entitled to veteran benefits

Response by SSgt Paul Millard made Mar 24 at 2020 4:39 PM

SSgt Paul Millard — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:39:48 -0400

Not a chance, I did double that time just at tech school...5 months is just dipping you toe in.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2020 5:01 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 17:01:58 -0400

Absolutely NOT! As veterans, we are required to stand out from the average civilian and COMPLETE tasks the military throws in our direction. Learning your job is the easiest thing to do in the military.

Response by Amn Stephen Shy made Mar 24 at 2020 6:48 PM

Amn Stephen Shy — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:48:11 -0400

Definitely yes. Anyone who says different is full of bullshit. Check the VA REGS.

Response by MSgt Harold Harris made Mar 25 at 2020 12:33 PM

MSgt Harold Harris — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:33:32 -0400

I think they have to serve a minimum of six months, not really sure, as I was active duty. But I have a grandson who is in the Reserve and he had to serve a minimum of six months before they will allow him to return for Officer's training. My other Grandson is in the Army, but he has been in the Reserves for a little over three years. Since I actually served in the Active Air Force for 21+ years, I really can't say what is right.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2020 1:28 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:28:03 -0400

My personal opinion on the question are they a "veteran" is No they are not they never officially served in the military forces.
However the question I would ask myself would be "why" does it matter so much for her to be recognized as a veteran. Is there something gong on in this persons life that is so bad that they must fabricate a story to make themselves look better? I have lost soldiers on the battlefield in combat, and I have lost soldiers stateside due to suicide. I have had lost friends that are not in the military to Suicide also.
Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.

Not every person is capable of being a soldier. Did they put in an honest effort? Was the person honestly hurt? Where they dropped from the course for medical or family issues? These are the

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2020 1:32 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:32:52 -0400

"No" she is not a veteran. Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.

However the question I would ask myself would be "why" does it matter so much for this person to be recognized as a veteran status. Is there something gong on in their life, that is so bad, they must fabricate a story to make them self look better? Is this an attempt to receive some sort of acknowledgement for help? I have lost soldiers on the battlefield in combat, and I have lost soldiers stateside due to suicide. I have had lost friends that are not in the military to Suicide also. It is not an easy task to loose anyone that you consider a friend, battle buddy, brother or sister, under any circumstance. In my 22 years of continued service it has been harder for myself to accept the loss of someone from suicide. Yes the soldiers lost in combat are still in my thoughts and sometimes dreams. However those losses are from from combat. By definition Combat; fighting between armed forces, usually requires those forces to forfeit lives in order for the opposing force to yield to defeat. The losses from suicide is a non-definitive loss, there is no single quantifying action that caused it. There has always been a collaboration of events that have led to most suicides. It is proven that most suicides can be prevented with little intervention, as a simple talk. This can allow the person a different aspect of their problems and a different approach on handling them besides taking their life.

If I was in you situation I would as to speak to this person privately, and explain to them that I am a veteran and by legal definition you cannot claim those sacred rights. Then I would ask them if they and their spouse would like to join myself and my spouse out to dinner sometime, or maybe come over this weekend for a BBQ at the house bring the kids along. A gesture of kindness will outweigh a harsh smart ass comment.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2020 1:37 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:37:53 -0400

The question sounds like Liberal theology. All inclusive bunk.
“Five months, didn’t finish AIT” — a washout.

Response by SGT Andrew Howard made Mar 25 at 2020 1:49 PM

SGT Andrew Howard — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:49:37 -0400

Most likely not. If they were injured in training severely enough to get discharged then maybe. If someone dies in training they are entitled to a military funeral, so someone severely injured in training would count as a veteran to me. The thing is that very rarely happens, so yeah, probably a shit bag that they used any excuse to get out

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2020 2:37 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:37:19 -0400

If they did not finish AIT I would say no, the army considers anyone in basic and AIT a soldier in training, you do not drop that title until you complete all your training. Sounds like a wanna be.

Response by John H Green Jr made Mar 25 at 2020 3:50 PM

John H Green Jr — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:50:44 -0400

You should really look up what the VA defines a veteran as not social media.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2020 4:57 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:57:41 -0400

Entry Level Separation (ELS), I believe less than 180 days active is. No vet, no bennies. May have changed. I'd consider it someone that at least tried, which is more than many others do.

Response by CPT Ian Stewart made Mar 27 at 2020 1:28 PM

CPT Ian Stewart — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:28:40 -0400

SPC Gomez did say her co-worker was a woman. Why did you?

Response by CPT Robert Huddleston made Mar 27 at 2020 5:29 PM

CPT Robert Huddleston — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:29:49 -0400

I have this same problem myself. He’s a rag tag yes man, but in the environment he works in...it suits him. Due to politics within its hard to say anything to him, so...I tell myself, be patient, there will be a time and I can say what I want to say to him and it be effective. On the flip side, I don’t work directly with him and have very little contact. Thank God for the little things...

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Mar 27 at 2020 10:31 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:31:35 -0400

NO, is the answer

Response by Lt Col Brett Meyer made Apr 13 at 2020 3:50 PM

Lt Col Brett Meyer — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:50:37 -0400

Response by PO3 Michael Warner made Apr 19 at 2020 10:54 AM

PO3 Michael Warner — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:54:35 -0400

Im torn between yes due to the technicalities when the word Veteran is defined in both definition and legal terms.

And No, due to why they left the military ?
Now, they got injured during AIT...how serious ? was it minor ?

For example, back in 92, when I was in boot camp, I twisted my ankle pretty good.
I was told that I need to be off it for 2 weeks, so, they moved me from my original company to a "transit" type company. Yes, during this time I felt angry and disappointed because I wouldn't graduate with the same company due to my injury. I was even asked almost daily if I just wanted to go home but, I refused cause I felt that I would be labeled as a quitter by not only family and friends but, that person that would be staring at me in the mirror every single day.
In the end, after the doc gave me the "green light" to go back to normal duty and PT, I was processed to a new company and graduated with them.

Response by BG Donald Currier made Apr 19 at 2020 4:36 PM

BG Donald Currier — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:36:45 -0400

The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. That includes someone who was legitimately injured during training. Comparing your service to someone else’s is unwise. There is always someone who served longer and under more dangerous conditions than you did. There is almost always someone who had it better. 38 US Code provides the legal definition (above). I just stick with the law.

Response by LTC John Bush made Apr 19 at 2020 4:37 PM

LTC John Bush — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 16:37:34 -0400

The term Veteran has been devalued by politicians and we are never going to get it back. Jimmy Carter forgave all the draft dodgers and others granted "era" status to everyone. If you traded bullets eye to eye with an enemy you know who you are and that is going to have to suffice. The other day I has my Vietnam hat on in a store and a guy came up to me and sais I was "too young" to have been there. I guess I look good for 80, but I pulled my ID and we had a nice conversation. I don't check anyone I know who I am.

Response by SPC Kevin Fant made Apr 19 at 2020 7:30 PM

SPC Kevin Fant — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:30:33 -0400

Response by A1C Lisa Casserly made Apr 19 at 2020 8:44 PM

A1C Lisa Casserly — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:44:35 -0400

I would say YES. They figure between 1% to 2% of Americans step up and volunteer to serve their country. I figure if you have the decency and honor to do that, they you should be counted as a veteran. If they had some kind of accident or undiagnosed medical issue that caused trouble after they signed up, then they still deserve the honor and credit of being called a veteran.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Apr 20 at 2020 1:14 AM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:14:25 -0400

Was this person assigned to some form of Reserve (other than IRR) and was it possible to serve on active duty in some form? If all that was needed was another month Reserve service would be an honorable and acceptable way to serve it. I served in the Air National Guard before I was commissioned and served on extended active duty, but did not consider myself a veteran until I had served full-time. Many of my fellow Guardsmen had wartime service and were fully qualified as veterans. This was before Vietnam and the veterans had served in Korea or World War II. In that company I would never claim to be a veteran until I had earned that status!

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Apr 20 at 2020 8:16 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 08:16:38 -0400

SPC Elisabeth Goerz To much in fighting as usual however the answer to your Question is Completion or Training plus 180 days active I think that explains it. Now you can become a Veteran in name at the VA because of medical care. That only applies to the VA. In this day and age of America however most folks can call themselves what ever they want But Just because they say it does not mean it is true. Thank you for your service.

Response by SPC Nancy Detwiler made Apr 20 at 2020 8:17 AM

SPC Nancy Detwiler — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 08:17:07 -0400

I broke my ankle in AIT. I continued where I was allowed to on crutches and got recycled for the rest.

Response by Marlene Hessler made Apr 20 at 2020 1:37 PM

Marlene Hessler — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:37:00 -0400

No opinion on this one. But, my father's best friend deployed in WWII on a Navy ship. His first day out, an accident with a rope tore up his leg so bad that it had to be amputated. He was a Vet the rest of his life along with being an amputee. He did learn to do quite well without it and held jobs. HE WAS A VET. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE WOULD QUESTION THAT. It is my understanding that a military troop puts his life on the line from moment one and no one is in control of time or eventualities. I do not believe that anyone is suggesting the unlucky, but patriotic person that is wounded or worse is any less so because they didn't make a timeline.

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made Apr 20 at 2020 2:50 PM

SGT Mark Rhodes — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 14:50:10 -0400

If I’m not mistaken he must have served 180 days to even get a DD214. I would venture to say he did not get one when they booted him out. So in my opinion he is not a veteran but a wash out. Allons Airborne Air Assault brothers and Sisters

Response by CPL Modesto Macia-Perez made Apr 20 at 2020 8:27 PM

CPL Modesto Macia-Perez — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:27:41 -0400

Not arguing with anyone’s point of view, but if you get chaptered in basic, are you a vet? Even if it was medical.

Response by SPC Gary Pranzo made Apr 21 at 2020 10:37 AM

SPC Gary Pranzo — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:37:42 -0400

If she finished training then got assigned to a unit and got injured to the point she was discharged then yes a veteran. But still IN AIT probably not. I don't think she needs to be in combat unless she claims she is a combat vet.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 1:02 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:02:27 -0400

Being a veteran is a legal definition. It’s not arbitrary. It’s not even up to the DoD to decide. I’ll have to look it up again, but United States Code is what determines veteran status (or in this case title).

Suffice to say, to paraphrase a veteran is someone who has completed their service honorably ( for active duty service members- meaning an honorable discharge on a DD 214) or, for reserves/ Guard completing their 6 year initial tour AND having served in a federal capacity on a federal mobilization/ activation (not including IADT status for initial skills procurement).

Response by SSG Dereck Davis made Apr 21 at 2020 3:14 PM

SSG Dereck Davis — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:14:22 -0400

Where do you draw the line? If they were issued a DD-214, they have veteran's status. Weird stuff happens to people in training just like on AD. There are different, albeit informal, rates of veterancy some vets like to gatekeep with. No matter where you are on the scale, they move the goalposts. "Oh, you only deployed once." "Oh, you were not infantry/Ranger/SF/Navy Seal...etc" "You didn't serve more than X amount of years."
These are the same people that made serving difficult or never saw enough to humble them.
In short, yes they are a veteran.

Response by PFC James Sander made Apr 21 at 2020 3:15 PM

PFC James Sander — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:15:25 -0400

no in my opinon that indivual dose not even know what a VETERAN has done to deserve being called a VETERAN i spent my time in VIETNAM and my whole time in the ARMYY was from 1966 to 1972

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 3:16 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:16:02 -0400

This post made me laugh. I needed that. Now, excuse me while I keep looking for a job or go back active for more than five months if things done look good. smh

Response by LTC Meloni Beauchamp made Apr 21 at 2020 4:36 PM

LTC Meloni Beauchamp — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:36:49 -0400

The law has become a lot more ambiguous:
Here is the definition out of 38 CFR 3.1
(d) “Veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.
(1) For compensation and dependency and indemnity compensation the term “veteran” includes a person who died in active service and whose death was not due to willful misconduct.
(2) For death pension the term “veteran” includes a person who died in active service under conditions which preclude payment of service-connected death benefits, provided such person had completed at least 2 years honorable military, naval or air service, as certified by the Secretary concerned. (See §§3.3(b)(3)(i) and 3.3(b)(4)(i)). (Authority: 38 U.S.C. 501(a))
The thing that people have to keep in mind is that you must have served in the ACTIVE military and that time that is for training is not counted. (Combat zone deployments while on federal active duty counts for Guard and reserve soldiers who would not otherwise qualify.)
As to your friend, I believe it depends on why your friend was discharged as I am pretty certain some types of medical discharges count toward veteran status, or at least they used to. As a retiree, that is occasionally galling.
I hope this helps.

Response by CW4 Rodney Burnett made Apr 21 at 2020 4:51 PM

CW4 Rodney Burnett — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:51:58 -0400

That's like the person that says "oh you're a vet? I was going to enlist but my (fill in any affliction) made me fail the physical"

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 7:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:15:18 -0400

Not so much never finished being introduced into the military!

Response by SGT Jay Grant made Apr 22 at 2020 12:00 AM

SGT Jay Grant — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 00:00:40 -0400

Nope , certainly not a veteran. You or someone else needs to show the person what allows the person to be called that.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2020 1:04 AM

CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:04:52 -0400

Certainly there are legal definitions of "veteran" and there are personal opinions of who ought to be considered a veteran. My question here is what is your co-worker wanting you to do with her assertion that she is a veteran? What is the point?

Response by James Hull made Apr 22 at 2020 7:21 AM

James Hull — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:21:54 -0400

THEY ARE NOT A VETERAN.

Response by SCPO Mary Roat made Apr 22 at 2020 7:56 AM

SCPO Mary Roat — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:56:52 -0400

I think that anyone that signed the papers and took an oath deserves the benefit of the doubt. Do we know what happened? Anything other than a BCD (or other neglect of duty) and in my opinion they served. Get the whole story first.

Response by SCPO Mary Roat made Apr 22 at 2020 7:58 AM

SCPO Mary Roat — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:58:57 -0400

You need the whole story. If it was circumstances out of their control and it is not a BCD they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Response by LTC Meloni Beauchamp made Apr 22 at 2020 11:22 AM

LTC Meloni Beauchamp — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:22:36 -0400

I responded yesterday with the definition from the law, but the Transition Assistance Advisor in my state tells me this is the criteria he looks at for eligibility/veteran status: (He is also a retired sergeant major)
Here are some things I look at:
• If you are on active duty in a theater of combat operation during a period of war after the Gulf War, or in combat against hostile force after Nov. 11, 1998, are eligible for enrollment priority and free health care services for conditions potentially related to combat services for five years following separation from active duty.

. Did you serve on AD during a Combat deployment or for 178 continuous days, or are you prior service AD SM who was discharged? Were you discharged/released under conditions other than dishonorable? If you were hurt in the National Guard, was an LOD conducted and do you have a copy of it? If you have met all this criteria then it is likely you are eligible for potential compensation or a potential rating) This definition comes from the VA Boot camp book created by ODVA.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2020 1:17 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 13:17:33 -0400

Not enough information. I used to be reluctant to call myself a Vietnam veteran, because I did not serve in a high risk area of Vietnam. I had no control over where I was assigned. My most intense service was suctioning maggots out of a Marine's ear canals on both sides after an explosion, so perhaps the maggots were also coming out of his brain. Most of my patients were in comas, at least unconscious or coming out of anesthesia. I often had their blood on me. In order for my two buddies to have R & R, I had to always be in the room if any patient was present, and when no one was there had to eat and sleep there 24 hours, 7 days for a couple weeks. During the night sleeping on a guerney in scrubs I would hear "incoming helo ops" and swing my legs over the side, turn on the lights and be ready for some serious trauma. Am I a veteran? How many months do I have to be in-country? I also treated war trauma before and after.
If you want some people to not call themselves veterans, do they have a right of appeal? What if the Purple Heart winners complain about people who were not wounded in a combat zone? I don't mind if you want to change the rules on what a DD-214 can get you, but don't humiliate people who had good intentions.

Response by SPC Ryan Vanlaanengregory made Apr 22 at 2020 6:08 PM

SPC Ryan Vanlaanengregory — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:08:43 -0400

According to Title 38 of the United States Code, “The term ‘veteran’ means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.” As long as they have a DD-214/15 or NGB 22/22A and they are anything other than dishonorable in status, they are considered in they eyes of the federal government a "veteran."

Some states that offer veterans benefits outside the VA and they require 180 days of AD service in peacetime and 90 days during wartime to qualify, and the VA has varying time limits for certain benefits as well, so don't everyone get their undies in a bunch. At most this person is getting a 10% lowes discount and free food at golden corral on veterans day and all the empty "thank you for your services." Just watch out for when they show up wearing a purple heart or a MOH and stuff like that. Then initiate throat punch and ridicule.

Response by Col Stephen Carr made Apr 22 at 2020 8:17 PM

Col Stephen Carr — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:17:15 -0400

Served, yes; veteran, no

Response by SGT Gregory Dean made Apr 22 at 2020 8:34 PM

SGT Gregory Dean — Wed, 22 Apr 2020 20:34:31 -0400

no, she had to quit on here own, so to bad

Response by TSgt Eric Denner made Apr 23 at 2020 9:18 AM

TSgt Eric Denner — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 09:18:28 -0400

I would say no....now with that being said there is certain criteria one has to meet.....must serve 180 consecutive days and have a discharge other than dishonorable or bad conduct... even if they hadn't finished AIT, if they fulfilled the criteria, then THEY have the right to call themselves a veteran and as veterans we HAVE to acknowledge that....... we dont have to agree but we do have to acknowledge

Response by Sgt Michael Clifford made Apr 23 at 2020 12:41 PM

Sgt Michael Clifford — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:41:17 -0400

I would think that it would be up to the VA to decide on his/her veterans status. Of course it would be tough to put them in the same class as someone wh had served at least one enlistment.

Response by TSgt Darrin Henderson made Apr 23 at 2020 2:27 PM

TSgt Darrin Henderson — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:27:54 -0400

Response by CPL Brian Howald made Apr 23 at 2020 4:35 PM

CPL Brian Howald — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 16:35:46 -0400

Had a coworker that did the same. Got out before AIT due to a bad back but had a side business doing sheetrock. My DD214 was incorrect due to change of length of AIT and until I went back for 3 weeks and basically hung out since I had EOCT and a diploma already I just needed to be there. So no E4 and that first 2 years doesn't count toward retirement nor my veteran status. So i don't see boot camp counting. I ran my last p.t. test during AIT with stress fractures, shin splints and a fractured tarsel bone so I would not have any more hold ups. Drill sgt wrapped my shins and foo took some motrin and hydro and knocked it out. I hated running and never didbwell but suck it up, right?

Response by SPC Rob Hunker made Apr 23 at 2020 7:29 PM

SPC Rob Hunker — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:29:17 -0400

In my humble opinion, you are not a veteran until you walk across the stage at the end of Basic/AIT, and are officially awarded your MOS.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2020 8:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:33:00 -0400

Why waste brain cells on this question?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2020 10:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 22:58:38 -0400

No they are not a vet. They are most likely sucking money out of the VA saying it's a life injury. Don't know who told them they were veteran but they should watch who they tell. Because those of us that have servered or are serving will reminded them what they truly are a quieter who could not hang.

Response by PVT Randy Stutz made Apr 23 at 2020 11:40 PM

PVT Randy Stutz — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:40:07 -0400

It totally depends on how he got out. I have a friend who really messed his ankle up in AIT. I still can close my eyes and see his foot swollen as a football. That was 35 years ago. He was given a DD-214, and Medical Discharge, and so he is a Vet full benefits. Another guy we went to basic, got a ELS Discharge, and he is not, in my opinion.

Response by Sgt Ron Harris made Apr 24 at 2020 12:01 AM

Sgt Ron Harris — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 00:01:59 -0400

Veteran of what? Didn't complete anything, except getting off the bus. Like the Chinaman said,"No tickie, no shirtie."

Response by SSG Rajeev Kirpalani made Apr 24 at 2020 12:34 AM

SSG Rajeev Kirpalani — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 00:34:30 -0400

You have to served for a minimum of 180 days, to be a veteran.

Response by SPC Chauncy Doan made Apr 24 at 2020 6:32 AM

SPC Chauncy Doan — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:32:40 -0400

Who gives a fuck, you whiny bitch. It’s none of your business.

Response by PO1 Kenneth Cline made Apr 24 at 2020 11:34 AM

PO1 Kenneth Cline — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:34:30 -0400

Quitter is mild word for that co-worker to me they come of the category of a want to be. I served 20 yrs in the Navy and a person like that gets none of my respect and all they get is my disapproval and should be told to go and shut up.

Response by Sgt Jerome Dear made Apr 24 at 2020 12:31 PM

Sgt Jerome Dear — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:31:19 -0400

Claiming to be a veteran is determined by what type of discharge you receive,not time in service.

Response by SPC Jimmy Rooks I made Apr 24 at 2020 2:15 PM

SPC Jimmy Rooks I — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:15:15 -0400

No! But one of the residents at the Lighthouse(Home for veterans)was discharged from the Air Force in Basic Training! So...what do I know?!

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Apr 24 at 2020 2:41 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:41:59 -0400

no, I would not. I think you have to have graduated from AIT and at least been to one duty assignment. You can criticize me harshly or judge me but I personally don't think that is enough for veteran status, however, I think that the civilian world will still designate a person like that as a veteran.

Response by PO2 John Chalus made Apr 24 at 2020 4:32 PM

PO2 John Chalus — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 16:32:35 -0400

No way.

Response by SSG Eric Tong made Apr 24 at 2020 9:34 PM

SSG Eric Tong — Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:34:39 -0400

What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important and will be covered in later sections. As for myself, being a retired former Army vet, I consider it this way. At 180 days active duty in the Army, the person is a Soldier, not a Veteran. 30 days in an active combat zone is a Veteran and by regulation, entitled to wear an applicable combat patch. I personally don't consider someone who left during the training period, for whatever reason, a Veteran any more than I consider someone who left college for whatever reason a graduate. This is also the same standard I held myself to and didn't claim I was a Vet until I had seen 30 days into my first tour.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Apr 25 at 2020 12:51 AM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 00:51:37 -0400

To qualify as a vet requires 6 months active duty

Response by CPT Ronald Barker made Apr 25 at 2020 1:48 AM

CPT Ronald Barker — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:48:04 -0400

True, this person is not a "veteran", yet there is something to be said for an individual who actually volunteered and went through boot camp. This person probably clings to the fact that he/she *tried* to serve--and that's important in a society where so few step up at all. So of course no benefits, but deserving of a little respect.

Response by PO2 Dave Michniewicz made Apr 25 at 2020 10:40 AM

PO2 Dave Michniewicz — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:40:58 -0400

This explanation of what qualifies someone as a US Military Veteran by Ted Puntillo director of Veteran Services for Solano County is the best answer regarding who is or isn’t considered a veteran.

Who qualifies as a veteran, anyway?
By Ted Puntillo
Over the years I’ve heard many ideas of what people think a veteran is and what they had to do to get this status.

Some people with an honorable discharge do not think they are a veteran because they only served for two years, did not serve in combat or were not injured in the service. Women and people who served honorably in the National Guard and Reserves are often unsure of their status.

I must say the definition of exactly what it takes to be a veteran is not an easy question to answer. I will do my best to give you an idea of the definition of veteran from the perspective of the Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are in doubt and you have served in uniform, please call our office.

Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. Discharges marked “general and under honorable conditions” also qualify. Other qualifying events are any person who served in the active military, naval or air service of the United States and was discharged from the service due to a service-connected disability or filed a claim and was service-connected for a disability sustained while in the service.

For example, a person could go into the service and injure themselves while in basic training and receive a service-connected disability rating from the VA. They would be considered a veteran no matter how long they served.

Certain veterans of the Philippine Commonwealth Army identified as scouts who served between Dec. 7, 1941, and Jan. 1, 1947, are considered veterans of the United States.

Members of the National Guard and Reserves may be considered veterans if they were deployed under Title 10 (Federal Orders) and complete that deployment and are issued a DD-214 (discharge) under honorable conditions. People who just serve in the National Guard and Reserve without a federal deployment are usually not eligible for veterans benefits, unless they were injured during their basic or advanced training or while on weekend drill or the two-week summer training. They must have reported the injury, filed a claim with the VA, and been rated as disabled for that injury.

Other types of people considered veteran are those who served as a commissioned officer of the Public Health Service, the Environmental Science Services Administration or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or its predecessor the Coast and Geodetic Survey. These individuals would have a document similar to a DD-214 as proof of this service.

Eligibility for veteran’s benefits also depends on the character of the discharge. There is honorable, general under honorable conditions, other than honorable, bad conduct and dishonorable. Normally only honorable and general under honorable conditions will qualify the veteran for benefits. An uncharacterized discharge may also qualify the veteran, but it is up to the VA and is handled on a case-by-case basis.

Officers cannot receive a dishonorable discharge. If they are demoted in rank at a court-martial, they are given an officer’s discharge that is equal to a dishonorable discharge. There is also an entry-level separation given usually within the first 180 days for medical or other reasons. Most times the person is not considered a veteran.

Veterans should never take it for granted that their discharge if not honorable would preclude them from benefits from the VA. The wise thing to do is to apply for them unless the character is bad conduct or dishonorable.

There is also a process to apply to have the discharge upgraded. This process should take place within three years of discharge, and the veteran should have a rationale for claiming that the discharge should have been honorable. The services have in the past rated people with personality disorders that were found later to be post-traumatic stress disorder. This usually occurred after the service member returned from a combat tour and had trouble dealing with the authority back in the home unit. Service members who have had this experience should contact our office and let us look into the matter.

Ted Puntillo is director of Veteran Services for Solano County.

Response by LTJG Royal Hogg made Apr 25 at 2020 1:42 PM

LTJG Royal Hogg — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 13:42:51 -0400

A Veteran of what??

Response by SPC C W made Apr 25 at 2020 1:43 PM

SPC C W — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 13:43:23 -0400

I lost my leg because on an injury during OSUT, so does that mean I am not a Vet?

Response by SPC Charisse Wells made Apr 25 at 2020 5:44 PM

SPC Charisse Wells — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:44:55 -0400

I can’t with ppl. Had they completed 180 days then maybe.

Response by SGT Sean Lynch made Apr 25 at 2020 6:24 PM

SGT Sean Lynch — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:24:59 -0400

No. There are those of us who gave half of our lives. Also, serving in a war zone, whereas a person who hasn't completed training, wouldn't have any idea about serving.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Apr 25 at 2020 9:02 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:02:33 -0400

No...

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2020 11:26 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Apr 2020 23:26:21 -0400

I thought being a veteran meant you completed your initial contract ?

Response by SR Alfred Stankiewicz made Apr 26 at 2020 10:09 AM

SR Alfred Stankiewicz — Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:09:32 -0400

no!

Response by Cpl Warren DeMartini made Apr 26 at 2020 11:37 AM

Cpl Warren DeMartini — Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:37:55 -0400

If you made it thru bootcamp in the marine corps then I’d say yes. I seen recruits die in bootcamp and commit suicide. Not to mention the marines that were injured or killed in training and that’s not even going to war yet.. I agree that’s a short way out but he made it thru boot to be called a United States Marine ..am I incorrect I don’t think so.. to answer another’s reaction yeah it’s a slap in the face for us hard charging marines but never the less what did they call you when you graduated from bootcamp
Sures hell wasnt recruit u earned the title ..now to stand up and do ur damn job

Response by SPC Robert Lefebvre made Apr 26 at 2020 5:28 PM

SPC Robert Lefebvre — Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:28:29 -0400

No bad wishes to her, her service doesn't qualify as VETERAN status. It made me think of those who never served and attempted to either qualify, or claim all sorts of combat experience, or spin the tall tales! There is a certain Politician that comes immediately to mind, also a news caster as well . I have met 2 guys along the way who tried to spin a tale or 2 . They are easy to spot with a couple of pointed questions.

Response by CW2 Jalistair B made Apr 27 at 2020 12:18 AM

CW2 Jalistair B — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 00:18:54 -0400

No.

Response by MSgt Andrea Gutierrez made Apr 27 at 2020 12:49 AM

MSgt Andrea Gutierrez — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 00:49:29 -0400

NO!

Response by LCpl Rich Vail made Apr 27 at 2020 7:32 AM

LCpl Rich Vail — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 07:32:15 -0400

Sure. They may have been injured (happens more often than you think) and been medically discharged.

Response by SSG William Hull made Apr 27 at 2020 10:29 AM

SSG William Hull — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:29:37 -0400

There are differing positions as to what makes a veteran. Legally it is 180 days of service and at least a 'general discharge'. However, I have a brother who did just over 2 years in the Marine Corp and never left stateside while I was in Vietnam. He was booted out over a drug charge and received an 'Other than Honorable Discharge'. The VA still considers him a veteran and he receives benefits. My son joined the National Guard, completed basic and AIT and joined his unit. After a year with his unit he failed the PT test and was over weight and was 'U'ed' out of his unit. (Unsatisfactory Performance) He was credited with 34 months of service but was denied benefits by the VA. I have a 'friend' who has a medical discharge from a from 'line of duty' injury in basic training and has less than 90 days of service and receives benefits from the VA.
I have to say what makes a 'veteran' is somewhat subjective.

Response by CPL Sarah Stilwell made Apr 27 at 2020 2:31 PM

CPL Sarah Stilwell — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:31:11 -0400

Every Veteran registered with the VA gets a Veteran ID card. If they are registered with the VA then ask to see their ID. If they don't have one, then tell them they should register. If they refuse, then its ok the get skeptical. There are legal requirements that must be met to be a 'veteran'. A service member (Active, guard or reserve) must serve 180 days on active duty status (guard reserve are 180 days 'activated) and this 180 days must occur outside of training. That's the legal definition by the Department of Veteran Affairs. There are people who die in training, who show up in a combat zone and are seriously injured before meeting this time in service requirement. There are those who earned purple hearts and were still told by VA that they do not meet the time requirements to be legally defined as a Veteran. So the system gets a bit mixed up sometimes, but that's the definition of a Veteran according to the government. So basically anyone with less than around 8 months of service (to include 9 weeks basic training, AIT can vary) may have difficulty meeting the legal definition of being a veteran. And yes I go to college and have people come into the Veterans office at the school trying to file for GIBill benefits after being kicked out of basic or having a DD214 with a general discharge with less than a year of service so I know how it feels to deal with people who don't seem to understand that when you quit the Army's basic training, you never became a soldier in the Army (which is the point of graduation), and if you're not a soldier, you're not entitled to jack crap. You can't wash out of the police academy and call yourself a cop so why do they think they can wash out of Basic training and call themselves veterans when the reality is they were never even soldiers to begin with

Response by SSG Roland Langlois made Apr 27 at 2020 2:43 PM

SSG Roland Langlois — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:43:07 -0400

I would say no didn't finish training or get assigned to a unit
I did 10 1/2 years Cold war in Germany then Vietnam combat veteran. I am a Veteran

Response by CPO John Bishop made Apr 27 at 2020 3:59 PM

CPO John Bishop — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:59:31 -0400

Technically - yes. Practically - no.

Response by Capt Loren Morgan made Apr 27 at 2020 5:11 PM

Capt Loren Morgan — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:11:57 -0400

180 days before you can be considered. I was listed as 4F after graduating from OTS, the local draft board didn't know what was going on. Went on to finish a 20 year career. Kept that 4F card for years until a box of my stuff was stolen when PCS Back from Incirlik, Turkey.

Response by SPC Stephan Baker made Apr 28 at 2020 12:52 AM

SPC Stephan Baker — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 00:52:37 -0400

Um no.... as a matter of fact... although I love me some back up... there is a line between soldiers and veterans... in the sense that some have not seen combat... or been in a combat zone.

Response by SPC Jean Harper made Apr 28 at 2020 1:44 PM

SPC Jean Harper — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:44:24 -0400

I'm feeling some kind of way, she only stayed 5 months after injuring her ankle. I am a female and I don't think she is a veteran she did not serve her commitment which I know wasn't 5 months

Response by Sgt Steve Williams made Apr 28 at 2020 6:38 PM

Sgt Steve Williams — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:38:43 -0400

I'd say that is a co-worker you can't rely on.

Response by PFC Christopher Jerson made Apr 29 at 2020 3:16 AM

PFC Christopher Jerson — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 03:16:49 -0400

This was my case. Sent to AIT but due to a heart murmur that would sporadically cause me to randomly black out I was discharged. I don’t consider myself a veteran even though I did wear the uniform for a year and a half total since I enlisted my junior year of high school and went to basic between junior and senior years. People thank me when they find out I did enlist but I refuse to go around claiming complete veteran status from businesses because I don’t feel like I truly earned that treatment

Response by TSgt Wayne Johnson made Apr 29 at 2020 4:39 PM

TSgt Wayne Johnson — Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:39:22 -0400

Nope does not qualify period.

Response by BG Mike Bridges made Apr 30 at 2020 3:29 AM

BG Mike Bridges — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 03:29:01 -0400

No. Failed recruit. Period.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2020 5:23 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 05:23:27 -0400

Hard to decide. Consider this:
What does a veteran give up?
Who did he/she leave behind?
How did the military treat them after they were released?
How did they help those others they were in boot camp with?

Notice these are all sacrifices that one gives up to someone they dont even know, the American citizen. It is extremely ignorant and hollywood today to believe that anyone who has been called a veteran is by default "hero". Or that any Americorps serviceman/woman who makes $9500/year and told to apply for food stamps while ironically building homes for homeless, somehow doesnt also deserve a free beer every now and then from a stranger from across the bar.

Some things to consider when choosing "not to thank" someone who sacrificed for you.

Response by CPT Lawrence Cichelli made May 1 at 2020 7:48 AM

CPT Lawrence Cichelli — Fri, 01 May 2020 07:48:30 -0400

Yes provided the person is discharged honorably. With a medical discharge, the person doesn't have a choice about the discharge. Bad things happen to good people. The downside is that this person won't qualify for VA benefits such VA loans and such. But they tried to make a go of the military, just didn't quite get there.

Response by SSG William Putnam made May 1 at 2020 2:50 PM

SSG William Putnam — Fri, 01 May 2020 14:50:51 -0400

I believe that the va states you have to have served 180 to be a veteran

Response by SN Frank M made May 1 at 2020 3:52 PM

SN Frank M — Fri, 01 May 2020 15:52:03 -0400

I enlisted,went through Boot Camp,and shortly afterward in A School was discharged General Under Honorable through a Drug Amnesty Program because I was using drugs. My DC turned Honorable 6 months later. I never even left the states and was only active 8 months. I'm a Viet Nam Era US Navy Veteran and dare you to say I'm not to my face.

Response by SPC John Richardson made May 8 at 2020 10:24 AM

SPC John Richardson — Fri, 08 May 2020 10:24:50 -0400

Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” Your recruiting manual was obviously referring to something outside this definition. It does not say anything about combat service, or retirement. I served 17 years in the peacetime army am I not a veteran?
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Response by PO2 Christopher Foss made May 12 at 2020 8:33 AM

PO2 Christopher Foss — Tue, 12 May 2020 08:33:38 -0400

"I have a co-worker who says they are a veteran but only served 5 months (didn't finish AIT). Would you consider that a veteran?" Posted on Feb 3, 2017

I see that I am coming late to this conversation, but I would point out that there is a an extreme lack of information here. No reason is given for why the person was discharged, the character of the discharge is absent; in short, the only thing that is known is the length of service, which is short enough to be leading.

For me, I agree with CPT Lawrence Cichelli in that, unless there are other circumstances, the individual tried. They did not succeed, but you know nothing about why they were discharged, only that they were.

Response by PO2 Jim Bragg made May 18 at 2020 11:36 AM

PO2 Jim Bragg — Mon, 18 May 2020 11:36:57 -0400

Heck no! I served 7 years, 68-75 and a good bit of that time in the Far East.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2020 2:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2020 14:26:54 -0400

Fuck no. They are a washout.

The only possible exception would be if they were wounded by friendly fire and were medically discharged. Even then, nah.

Response by SFC Cynthia Eyer made May 26 at 2020 6:06 PM

SFC Cynthia Eyer — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:06:39 -0400

Military personnel are considered veterans when they have completed all schooling which has given them the authority to hold rank. The exception is death while in Basic Training and was of no fault of the Soldiers. Leave her be. Why does it matter to you what time she spent in the service? Does it cause you to lose anything for her time? Too many posts on this forum are wrapped in petty gossip. Ask a question for YOU and YOUR career. Petty gossip like this question displays a loss of integrity and honor to both you and the service you represent.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2020 4:46 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:46:29 -0400

Who qualifies as a veteran, anyway?

Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. Discharges marked “general and under honorable conditions” also qualify. Other qualifying events are any person who served in the active military, naval or air service of the United States and was discharged from the service due to a service-connected disability or filed a claim and was service-connected for a disability sustained while in the service.

For example, a person could go into the service and injure themselves while in basic training and receive a service-connected disability rating from the VA. They would be considered a veteran no matter how long they served.

Ted Puntillo is director of Veteran Services for Solano County. Reach him at 784-6590 or [login to see] . The Solano County Veteran Services Office, 675 Texas St. in Fairfield, is open from 9 a.m. to noon and 1 to 4 p.m. Monday through Friday.

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/opinion/local-opinion-columnists/who-qualifies-as-a-veteran-anyway/

Who qualifies as a veteran, anyway?

Over the years I’ve heard many ideas of what people think a veteran is and what they had to do to get this status.Some people with an honorable discharge do not think they are a veteran because they only served for two years, did not serve in combat or were not injured in the service. Women and peo

Response by PV2 Van Allen made Jun 16 at 2020 11:25 PM

PV2 Van Allen — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 23:25:02 -0400

They are still veterans but need 6 months active duty to get most benefits.

Response by SFC Charles E Hightower made Jun 21 at 2020 10:15 PM

SFC Charles E Hightower — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 22:15:19 -0400

Veteran's Preference for Federal Jobs

Veterans are given preference when it comes to hiring for most federal jobs. However, in order to be considered a "veteran" for hiring purposes, the individual's service must meet certain conditions:

Preference is given to those honorable separated veterans (this means an honorable or general discharge) who served on active duty (not active duty for training) in the Armed Forces:

during any war (this means a war declared by Congress, the last of which was World War II).
For more than 180 consecutive days, any part of which occurred after 1/31/55 and before 10/15/76.
during the period April 28, 1952, through July 1, 1955 (Korean War).
in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign medal has been authorized, such as El Salvador, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Southwest Asia, Somalia, and Haiti.
those honorably separated veterans who 1) qualify as disabled veterans because they have served on active duty in the Armed Forces at any time and have a present service-connected disability or are receiving compensation, disability retirement benefits, or pension from the military or the Department of Veterans Affairs; or 2) are Purple Heart recipients.

Campaign medal holders and Gulf War veterans who originally enlisted after September 7, 1980, or entered on active duty on or after October 14, 1982, without having previously completed 24 months of continuous active duty, must have served continuously for 24 months or the full period called or ordered to active duty.

Effective on October 1, 1980, military retirees at or above the rank of major or equivalent, are not entitled to preference unless they qualify as disabled veterans.

For more information about the Veteran's Preference Hiring Program, see the Federal Government's Veteran's Preference Web Page.

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Jul 1 at 2020 5:51 PM

AA Loreen Silvarahawk — Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:51:57 -0400

Have to finish boot camp and not wimp out for any reason.

Response by MSgt Mayo Sifford made Jul 16 at 2020 3:00 AM

MSgt Mayo Sifford — Thu, 16 Jul 2020 03:00:17 -0400

How about if he/she served 9 months? 6 months? 8.3 years? Where are you comfortable? Fortunately you don't get to define the term of service needed to refer to one as a "veteran". The services and the VA has already decided on that. 5 months earns the veteran several benefits including the right to define him or her as a genuine USA military veteran.

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Jul 18 at 2020 1:19 AM

SGT Michael Hearn — Sat, 18 Jul 2020 01:19:13 -0400

If you served 180 consecutive days on active duty You are a veteran.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jul 18 at 2020 11:27 AM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:27:20 -0400

Simple answer--NO.

Response by SGT Chester Beedle made Jul 21 at 2020 12:28 AM

SGT Chester Beedle — Tue, 21 Jul 2020 00:28:13 -0400

Maybe but probably not. Did he/she get an Entry Level Separation because of not being able to adapt or some minor petty injury? Or was it because of some severe injury that couldn't be healed in a reasonable time period?

There are regulations that say just one day of active duty makes a person a veteran. Ok great. But what kind of weak minded, low self esteem, "person" claims it when they couldn't even get through basic training???

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2020 10:37 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:37:49 -0400

No, they are not!

Response by SSG Billie Dalton made Jul 26 at 2020 9:03 AM

SSG Billie Dalton — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 09:03:16 -0400

Yes he's a Veteran

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Jul 28 at 2020 9:46 AM

SGT Lenise Hamilton — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:46:03 -0400

Is this a "Got-Ya Joke" or what! "Hell To The No" this individual is not a veteran.. They have decided to go under depression status when they found out that the challenge was not their cup of tea. As for the medical side, that portion is understood because those those things do and may happen. My position is if you have not at least completed basic training your not a "Veteran", so don't get it twisted and take away from those who actually "served" and are still serving under these trying times we are now enduring.

Response by PO1 John Hudson made Jul 28 at 2020 4:31 PM

PO1 John Hudson — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:31:35 -0400

Since the reason your co-worker only served five months is unknown, I will answer like this. Anyone who receives an honorable discharge is a veteran. I have known members who died in AIT, they are no less a veteran than I am, having served from 1972-1997. My brother and sisters in and out of uniform who served and left honorably, no matter the amount of time served are veterans. It takes a certain breed to raise our hand and swear allegiance to America, knowing not what the future holds. Stand tall, be proud.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2020 4:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:46:38 -0400

Spc Goerz, Good question...It has been my belief that you have to serve 181 days before you are considered a "Veteran". So to answer your question...No I would not consider your co-worker a veteran..There are soldiers who enter basic training & Ait who may be hurt that causes them to be discharged....but still not considered a Veteran..Hope this helps you. Stay safe.

Response by CSM Ricky Forrest made Jul 28 at 2020 5:23 PM

CSM Ricky Forrest — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:23:47 -0400

You were told you the full story obviously. So whats your beef?

Response by SPC James Pugh made Jul 28 at 2020 5:28 PM

SPC James Pugh — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:28:20 -0400

Veteran.

Response by CPO Debra Jacobsen made Jul 28 at 2020 5:46 PM

CPO Debra Jacobsen — Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:46:40 -0400

If he/she received a DD214, I would consider them a veteran.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 29 at 2020 2:55 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 02:55:37 -0400

It depends on why they did not finish AIT.

Response by SPC Paul Rogers made Jul 29 at 2020 7:44 AM

SPC Paul Rogers — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:44:01 -0400

Personally it depends on the why and how they got out. If they got a legitimate injury that caused them to be medically discharged then I personally wouldn’t be bothered if they consider themselves a veteran. Honestly being a “veteran” doesn’t mean shit, it’s an easily earned title that doesn’t mean anything.

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Jul 29 at 2020 9:45 AM

SSG Paul Headlee — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:45:05 -0400

While I share the sentiments of those of you who elevate the term Veteran to mean certain things, I must respectfully disagree. Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” So there's a definition that your branch will validate. We don't get to make up meanings any more than we get to wear whatever we want on our uniforms. If it wasn't approved by the Institute of Heraldry, you ain't wearing it no matter how much you wish it were so.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jul 29 at 2020 10:38 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:38:40 -0400

The Army regulation states 180 days active or completion of training to become a military Soldier, other wise your still a trainee.
The status of veteran is Defined by several things one becoming a Soldier and serving at least 90 consecutive days during a Congressional approved war time period, That is Veterans Status. Tell your co-worker they are not a VET by Military standards only by VA Compensation standards.
For Department of veteran affairs to get your benefits is quit different TO MANY PEOPLE CONFUSE THE TWO. If the Co-worker does not accept this tell them to take their DD214/215 or other discharge papers to a VSO= Veterans service officer and have them check the status the VSO is located in your county and is a free visit no reason not to use them.

Response by CPT Wayne Price made Jul 29 at 2020 11:27 AM

CPT Wayne Price — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 11:27:27 -0400

If that was me, I would not even mention having been. In military service. WaynePrice

Response by SPC Lana Puskarich made Jul 29 at 2020 1:16 PM

SPC Lana Puskarich — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:16:09 -0400

Whether or not “I” consider this person to be a veteran or not is irrelevant. If he/she feels they served their country then let it be.

Who are we to throw stones.

Six deployments later… I stand next to a veterans on Veterans Day who was in Vietnam. Now, am I truly “worthy” to be called a veteran in his presence? I didn’t feel so...but I am! 100%! It’s all relative…
In the end does it really matter?

If he/she needs to belong, & is proud enough to call themselves a veteran because they entered into the military, then so be it.

It’s not our call. Let it be.

Enjoy the moment and utilize your energy on real life matters. Deciphering his/her importance, legitimacy etc...is a mere pastime not worthy of your minds activity.

Response by SFC Teresa Threatts made Jul 29 at 2020 3:17 PM

SFC Teresa Threatts — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:17:08 -0400

In order to be considered a Veteran, a completion of 180 days of consecutive military service is required.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2020 5:29 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 17:29:36 -0400

According to regs, "Veteran" status requires at least 180 days on Active Duty. Anything less and you are "Glossary Non-Prior Service" (GNPS)

Response by 2ndLt Fulton Recepcion made Jul 29 at 2020 7:49 PM

2ndLt Fulton Recepcion — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:49:30 -0400

Well, there are circumstances beyond some folks' control that they get discharged in Basic/Boot or any follow one training and they RATE veterans' benefits. So they are considered veterans by the VA.

However, if they toot their horn loudly or too much as if they've been deployed or what not, then they aren't doing themselves any favors.

Response by SPC Kelly Weigel made Jul 29 at 2020 10:43 PM

SPC Kelly Weigel — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:43:34 -0400

Some say 180 days. Some says finishing your contract. I've even had some says that if you never served in combat - apparently my father's 24 years wouldn't have made him a veteran per this person.

The only thing that matters is how the VA and US Code define who is and isn't a veteran. Everything else is opinion.

Response by Sgt Able Snider made Jul 29 at 2020 11:33 PM

Sgt Able Snider — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 23:33:08 -0400

No.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 8:49 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:49:06 -0400

That’s a NO she’s childish and would be laughed at if she tells someone who served

Response by MSG Dale Haworth made Jul 30 at 2020 9:20 AM

MSG Dale Haworth — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:20:53 -0400

If I remember correctly you must serve 180 consecutive days to be a veteran.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Jul 30 at 2020 11:05 AM

SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:05:31 -0400

I thought that you literally had to be placed in an active unit to be considered a Veteran.. if not, they're no more than JROTC.. Drill's and physical exercises, no actual MOS training.. Not sure, but don't they have to have served about 6 months (180 days) of consecutive service, or be assigned to your first duty station whichever comes first?

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Jul 30 at 2020 11:42 AM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:42:12 -0400

HELL NO! Veteran are Soldiers who has been deployed and has received National Defense Service Medal. If he have not finish AIT, then he is a washed out little maggot want to fly.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Jul 30 at 2020 4:24 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 16:24:37 -0400

The old rule to become a veteran is one day of active duty after taking the oath. Dates from WWII when inductees were killed or injured while on the train or bus to basic training. Called "in line of duty". Veterans benefits, however, depend on length and location of service.

Response by SGT Jacob Ragan made Jul 30 at 2020 4:56 PM

SGT Jacob Ragan — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 16:56:58 -0400

If you never deployed you're not a veteran, but that's just my opinion as an Infantryman. I know many will disagree, and I don't give a damn

Response by SGT Jacob Ragan made Jul 30 at 2020 5:02 PM

SGT Jacob Ragan — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:02:22 -0400

If you never deployed then you're not a veteran

Response by MSgt Mike Chaco made Jul 30 at 2020 10:06 PM

MSgt Mike Chaco — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:06:07 -0400

FYI, there is a thing called a One Day Veteran. If a DD Form 214 is issued, then the individual is a Veteran. The only difference is they are not entitled to any VA benefits unless they receive a service connected disability for an injury sustained while on active duty, regardless of time served. A pre-existing injury does not count in this case.

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Jul 30 at 2020 10:11 PM

SP5 Richard Welch — Thu, 30 Jul 2020 22:11:20 -0400

Nope....

Response by PV2 Adrianne Ellison made Jul 31 at 2020 12:26 AM

PV2 Adrianne Ellison — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 00:26:23 -0400

A persons journey towards becoming a Veteran starts when they take the oath. However, if an Enlisted or Officer Rapist decides that your body is theirs, then that persons journey may be over sooner.

Response by SPC Raymond Buckland made Jul 31 at 2020 9:37 AM

SPC Raymond Buckland — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:37:42 -0400

NO. Simply because he never finished training.

Response by CPL Randy Jeffery made Jul 31 at 2020 11:00 AM

CPL Randy Jeffery — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:00:25 -0400

A vet is someone who has completed his or hers tour or went to war and survived.

Response by SFC George Small made Jul 31 at 2020 11:57 AM

SFC George Small — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:57:55 -0400

takes 180 continuous days to be eligible for vets benefits

Response by 1LT John Fleming made Jul 31 at 2020 6:27 PM

1LT John Fleming — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:27:42 -0400

She gets the bennies if she has an honorable or general under honorable. I am a bit concerned about the story- they recycle you through AIT.

Response by SGT Jodi WittBailey made Jul 31 at 2020 6:33 PM

SGT Jodi WittBailey — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:33:54 -0400

It depends on the circumstances of their service. What circumstances led to their separation from the military?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2020 6:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:52:18 -0400

Did he get kicked out or did he have a medical discharge? If he was kicked out for UCMJ thrn I would say NO. But if he was discharge due a medical injury or condition he received while in AIT, then I would consider him a veteran. But I'm sure theirs a regulation that covers it.

Response by MSG Brooks Collins made Jul 31 at 2020 9:48 PM

MSG Brooks Collins — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 21:48:04 -0400

No!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2020 11:12 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 23:12:27 -0400

Oh Hell NO!

Response by SGT Dale Myres made Jul 31 at 2020 11:27 PM

SGT Dale Myres — Fri, 31 Jul 2020 23:27:16 -0400

No it does not! We had them fall out at 5-7 months. They don’t deserve an honorable

Response by LTC Dee Garder made Aug 1 at 2020 2:03 AM

LTC Dee Garder — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 02:03:00 -0400

It only matters if that person was given VA status. They went threw Basic and some AIT. If they were in for 107 days, they are a veteran. The DD-214 is the answer.

Response by SFC Edwin Alices made Aug 1 at 2020 4:26 AM

SFC Edwin Alices — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 04:26:02 -0400

The SM may get a DD214 but without a characterization of service. In other words, as someone mentioned, more than 180 days assigned for duty other than just training. The SM would not qualify for any veteran benefit related to that service because of the lack of characterization of the service. In other words honorable, OTH, etc. For most relevant purposes the person will not be considered a veteran.

Response by Shanna Borman Stout made Aug 1 at 2020 6:57 AM

Shanna Borman Stout — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 06:57:39 -0400

No. I believe the definition of veteran is 180 days of consecutive service after basic and tech school/ait.

Response by SSG Michael Davis made Aug 1 at 2020 9:11 AM

SSG Michael Davis — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 09:11:23 -0400

I'd say, have a little grace. At least she was willing to try, even if it didn't work out.

I did my enlistment and left after six years, but almost didn't get in because of some minor medical conditions. I was a REMF and just about as much as a desk jockey as the Army could produce. Does that make me less of a Veteran than a Ranger or SOF Soldier? I did my job so they could do their job.

Comparisons like this are a distraction from taking care of yourself and self-improvement in my modestly-humble opinion.

None of us are the best person that we are capable of and focusing on other people is a distraction that should be avoided.

Response by CPO Paul Davis made Aug 1 at 2020 8:48 PM

CPO Paul Davis — Sat, 01 Aug 2020 20:48:50 -0400

As of the time I retired (end of '05) the official definition was served 180 days and discharged under honorable conditions, which includes medical, admin etc.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2020 10:57 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 10:57:19 -0400

I had a kid in the neighborhood that went through the same thing. He was telling everyone about him serving. I came back from deployment and I heard, the whole neighborhood wanted me to check if he was real or not. Had to talk to him, he stopped talking about it after I did. You are not a vet if you haven't deployed or put in your years. Many Vets have never deployed so deployments are not a make or break for vet status.

Response by SGT Carl Forsman made Aug 2 at 2020 11:36 AM

SGT Carl Forsman — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 11:36:16 -0400

I never judge anyone, as I am sitting in my office, getting ready to render a bid for a massive plumbing job on a Sunday morning, taking in church, listening to a sermon on anything that gets in our way between our relationship with God, ya that guy, not saint Michael who let us hit the ground at 18 to 20 feet per second, get up and keep it moving, is a sin. Let that co worker prove their worth. I run a plumbing company where we mostly hire "veterans" Some of those kids I have had come through my ranks are extremely solid people. My work is crazy hard and pushes most guys/girls to the limits of their intestinal fortitude. I have had a few of what I am reading, guys calling them quitters, that have proven a faithfulness and prove themselves solid. Not one of use should ever be more than hailed for our past experience, always remember that a medal of honor + up to 3.00 dollars buys you a cup of coffee. It is what this individual is worth today.

Response by CAPT Phillip B. made Aug 2 at 2020 3:04 PM

CAPT Phillip B. — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 15:04:57 -0400

If that person feels comfortable putting themselves out there like that, so be it. Most follow-on discussions from there go something like, "I did six years as a crew chief on the flightdeck of the USS Eisenhower, mostly on WESTPACs before I got out...Where did you serve?" I personally would not want to explain that I didn't make it out of my initial training period and served five grueling months in California. Just kind of cringe-worthy and awkward.

Response by SP5 William Sells made Aug 2 at 2020 3:38 PM

SP5 William Sells — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 15:38:14 -0400

No! 6 Months required 180days!

Response by CPL Robert Christoffersen made Aug 2 at 2020 6:47 PM

CPL Robert Christoffersen — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 18:47:50 -0400

No they are not a Veteran
Ask to see there DD-214 , if they have one it will tell on them
Quitter is more like it ,

Response by A1C David Johnson made Aug 2 at 2020 9:29 PM

A1C David Johnson — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:29:09 -0400

A Veteran is a Veteran, if they served with Honor, though what kind of Veteran might be the question. I have talked to many Viet Nam Vets, who tell me, we all served; some just gave more or sacrificed more, some sacrificed their all and never come home.; but we all selected to serve and never gave up.

Personally, if I did not complete my training I would not go about telling others I was a Veteran. Reading the VA info below, never realized I was classed as War Veteran; but knew I was not combat Veteran.

For VA benefits; VA says;

What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important and will be covered in later sections.

To receive VA benefits;
Both of these must be true. You:
Served on active duty, active duty for training, or inactive duty training, and
Have a disability rating for your service-connected condition

Then you have a War Veteran. Have to served in the; an VA designates type; belong just Veteran, War Veteran, Combat Veteran and etc.
VA also says;
Army
Air Force
Navy
Marine Corps
Coast Guard
Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service
Commissioned Corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association

However, war veterans are specifically those persons who were ordered by any USAF branch to foreign waters or soils to take part in non-direct or direct support activities against a United States enemy.

Combat veterans, on the other hand, are those that serve in any USAF branch and experience hostilities of any level or take part in an action of enemy combatant for certain duration as a result of friendly, defensive, or offensive fire military action that involves a perceived or real enemy in a post- or pre-determined combat proceeding.

Members serving in the Air National Guard or the National Guard and reservists are also referred to as veterans and are entitled to certain benefits, depending on the service locality and service length (especially those that served in combat status for an active duty).

Response by SP5 Ronald Fortin made Aug 2 at 2020 10:33 PM

SP5 Ronald Fortin — Sun, 02 Aug 2020 22:33:04 -0400

Ask to see her DD form 214

Response by Joe Finel made Aug 3 at 2020 12:35 AM

Joe Finel — Mon, 03 Aug 2020 00:35:04 -0400

Speaking strictly from a VA standpoint.... If they signed paperwork and got even a week into basic before they “quit”, they’re entitled to veterans status and medical service at any VA Hospital.
All you have to do is show up at an ER with your DD-214. They’ll treat you and often don’t charge a thing.

Do other vets consider an unfinished time in basic or AIT to have earned a “veteran status”? Some of them might, though I haven’t met many who do.
The ones that consider it in a positive light see the signature on the dotted line and the vow to give ass and life for others who could give a shit... they consider the intent to sacrifice for others enough.
Personally, I will help any who walk through the door with a discharge, other than BCD. Big Chicken Dinners aren’t allowed to use the services or qualify for the help. The government has some rules that they won’t budge on. That’s a biggun.

Response by SSG Cameron "KB" Kingsbury made Aug 4 at 2020 9:27 PM

SSG Cameron "KB" Kingsbury — Tue, 04 Aug 2020 21:27:24 -0400

I always try to cite regulation when I can. So Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” Per that I would say you would only get a solid answer from looking at this person's DD-214. I am not sure as to the legality of asking for a person/veteran's DD-214 if you aren't requesting it in some authorized professional capacity.

On a slightly related note this is what i found on Army.mil (the full article is linked below):

"As long as you were deployed on active duty for at least 180 days and you didn't get a dishonorable discharge or a bad conduct discharge coming off those orders, then you could be considered a veteran," said Army Sgt. Maj. Matthew Krenz, a legislative liaison at the National Guard Bureau who provided background information to Congressional members working on the bill.

https://www.army.mil/article/180159/guard_and_reserve_members_receive_veteran_status

My personal opinion is that you are not a veteran unless you meet one or more of the following:

1. The Service Member (SM) completes IET (Initial Entry Training) or 180 consecutive days (whichever comes last) [I say this as my AIT was almost a year long]
2. The SM is injured to the point where s/he can no longer continue training due to circumstances outside his or her control during IET.
3. The SM dies during IET due to circumstances outside of his or her control.

I feel the above are reasonable. However I know this is a polarizing topic among my fellow Veterans and Service Members.

Guard and Reserve members receive 'Veteran' status

Response by PO3 Kevin Smith made Aug 6 at 2020 1:09 AM

PO3 Kevin Smith — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 01:09:31 -0400

Yes, she is a Veteran. We all have our individual stories of our time in the military. I think we'd all be better off if we worried more about ourselves and less about others.

Response by LTJG Kevin Matthews made Aug 6 at 2020 9:31 AM

LTJG Kevin Matthews — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 09:31:53 -0400

This one's easy. If somebody serves 180 days of military service, by law they are a veteran. there is no requirement to finish a certain level of training, there's no requirement to deploy, 180 days and someone is a veteran. I'm sure there are some stipulations that state if someone dies during training before 180 days they are granted veteran status , or they fraudulently enlist and get held longer than 180 days for trial before being discharged they're not, But those are exceptions and I am not a lawyer. General rule of thumb is 180 days.

Response by SN Kristi Kalis made Aug 6 at 2020 9:55 PM

SN Kristi Kalis — Thu, 06 Aug 2020 21:55:56 -0400

Lots of ignorant and uninformed comments before mine, but the law says - since 1999, a DD214 is issued to all veterans. If the co-worker has a DD214, they are a veteran. Add to that, some veterans did not receive a DD214 due to changes in paperwork in the 1990s which were never resolved.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made Aug 7 at 2020 12:44 PM

MSgt Gilbert Jones — Fri, 07 Aug 2020 12:44:36 -0400

Was this individual medically discharged? If so, doesn't an individual who completes at least 90 days of service eligible for VA treatment for whatever they were discharged for? All they have to do is call the VA 800# and they will tell them.

Response by Sgt Dennis Stevens made Aug 8 at 2020 3:48 PM

Sgt Dennis Stevens — Sat, 08 Aug 2020 15:48:34 -0400

Unless changed, the last I remember one had to complete 180 days active duty to be considered a veteran. 5 months is equal to about 150 days, seems like someone is coming up short. I am sure someone will let me know if I am wrong.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2020 12:50 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 12:50:39 -0400

i beleive that person would have received and administrative training discharge which doesn't make the . a veteran or qualifiy for veteran benefits

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2020 10:27 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:27:30 -0400

Not at all. Per DoD regulation Initial Active Duty Training, boot camp and job training (AIT,Phase2), must be completed before even any of the "Veteran benefits" kick in like Post 9/11, Montgomery GI Bill, etc.

Only caveat is if someone did get medically discharged somehow from a serious boot camp injury or school injury they do count.

Response by SGT Richard Scheffel made Aug 26 at 2020 9:02 AM

SGT Richard Scheffel — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:02:19 -0400

No u are not a veteran, give me a break. I’m fighting for something I know the gov owes to me as a Vietnam era vet when the Army put me out with 19 yrs and 22 days in service. So don’t call yourself a vet after 5 MONTHS u have to be out of your mind

Response by CPT Kevin Connolly made Aug 28 at 2020 11:46 AM

CPT Kevin Connolly — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 11:46:28 -0400

I don't claim to be a veteran, even though I am rated as 35% disabled. I completed ROTC, branched infantry, went active right away, did the basic course and then was posted to Ranger School, I had made my five jumps as a cadet, so my first morning I got my 90-pound ruck and flew out for my first jump as a soldier. Just as I went out the door, the pilot screamed "Abort, abort, abort" and the jumpmaster reached for me but missed. Down I went and the wind gust threw me into the hilside, where I broke three vertebrae. I was offered a branch transfer to Finance, but I went out on a medical discharge. So much for that exercise. And I don't call myself a veteran but I would not second guess anone who wore the uniform and calls him or herself a veteran.

Response by TSgt Andrew Harper made Aug 28 at 2020 6:48 PM

TSgt Andrew Harper — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:48:01 -0400

For Veteran eligibility, please contact the DVA, [login to see] , https://www.va.gov/ if you have specific questions. Hope this helps.

VA.gov Home | Veterans Affairs

Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services you’ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family member—like health care, disability, education, and more.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Aug 28 at 2020 11:58 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 23:58:47 -0400

As previously mentioned to qualify for Veteran's Benefits (and status) used to be 180 days of active duty to qualify. Depending on the medical condition - less then 180 days may be waived. The best way to find out is to recommend them to go to the VA and inquire there.

Response by SPC Daryl Dubas made Aug 29 at 2020 10:40 AM

SPC Daryl Dubas — Sat, 29 Aug 2020 10:40:38 -0400

Technically I don’t know if they have the right to say they are a veteran. That’s on them. I served six years in the army national guard. I was never deployed, so the state of Nebraska won’t allow me to put the veterans logo on my drivers license (for National Guard Nebraska required ten years of service or a deployment to put the veterans logo on your drivers license). But does that make me less of veteran?? Again if they want to claim they are veteran, that’s on them.

Response by WO1 Ricardo Eva made Aug 29 at 2020 10:46 AM

WO1 Ricardo Eva — Sat, 29 Aug 2020 10:46:01 -0400

I, for one, wouldn't consider this person a veteran, but, then again, being a combat vet myself, its become very hard for me to consider anyone who hasn't had combat duty as a "true" veteran. I realize that I'm being biased and even somewhat (if not a whole lot) petty but, with only 5 months in service and not even having finished AIT then my answer would be a resounding NO!

Response by SFC William Allen made Aug 29 at 2020 7:01 PM

SFC William Allen — Sat, 29 Aug 2020 19:01:41 -0400

Hell No! You have to have 180 consecutive days of active duty, not counting basic or AIT to qualify for the title Veteran. I did active duty and National Guard. I had a "Soldier" who ran around claiming he was a 20 year Veteran because he had 20 years in the National Guard (Believe me- we should have cut him loose after 20 years!), He got offended when I asked him "Veteran of what? Bar Fights?".

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Aug 30 at 2020 7:57 AM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:57:29 -0400

SPC Elisabeth Goerz, please tell Your co-worker to google it the definition of a veteran. I can do you this favor but just this time: DescriptionA veteran is a person who has had long service or experience in a particular occupation or field. A military veteran is a person who has served and is no longer serving in a military. Military veterans that have served directly in combat in a war are further defined as war veterans.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Aug 30 at 2020 8:20 AM

MSgt George Fillgrove — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 08:20:50 -0400

Not enough information was provided to make an accurate determination. Depends on the nature of the discharge.

Response by Cpl Clyde Wason made Aug 30 at 2020 9:35 AM

Cpl Clyde Wason — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:35:36 -0400

Response by PO3 Michael Conner made Aug 30 at 2020 4:48 PM

PO3 Michael Conner — Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:48:33 -0400

I’m my opinion you need at least one deployment under your belt to be considered a veteran. I’m a Navy vet, served from 03-07. You have to have been out to get vet status, but if it’s under the normal 4 years it has to be other than honorable. If it’s dishonorable discharge then I don’t think you deserve to be called a veteran!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2020 12:09 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:09:58 -0400

No I would not.
It might be impolite or not politically correct but that is how I would treat that individual.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Aug 31 at 2020 12:50 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:50:06 -0400

No. He or she did not complete school and did no duty post with his or her earned credentials in a MOS.

Response by CPO Michael Huff made Aug 31 at 2020 1:32 PM

CPO Michael Huff — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 13:32:45 -0400

As far as I am concerned, if the person has a DD-214, I really don't care.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Aug 31 at 2020 2:24 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 14:24:13 -0400

If the person received anything but a dishonorable discharge them the person is a veteran.

CFR Title 38.3.1(d)

Can’t believe so many wrong answers got posted!

Response by Cpl James Graves made Aug 31 at 2020 3:50 PM

Cpl James Graves — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 15:50:40 -0400

In my view, that's not a veteran. But hey, that's my thinking as a Vietnam veteran who served as an 0311 (infantryman). Here is the technical definition from the VA itself. Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. You will note that the definition says "completed" a service". But, the definition goes on to explain that while that may be the definition of a veteran, there are other requirements in order to receive veteran's benefits. If you apply the definition as written that fellow is not a veteran because he did not complete his service. Was he injured in the line of duty? Then of course he wouldn't have had to complete his service. All of that aside, for him to tell people he's a veteran is a stretch. Maybe he could say that he served in the Army for a short period of time etc. But he knows that by claiming to be a veteran he is giving the impression of service that he didn't do. That's the reality of what he's saying. I would think less of a person who says that as opposed to a guy saying he served in the Army (or whatever) for a time and got out because of etc..

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Aug 31 at 2020 4:21 PM

GySgt John Hudson — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:21:59 -0400

You are not classified a veteran or having served in the military until you have served 6 full months of active duty, which is also the required time for reservists as well. That is also the required time for gaining VA benefits under any conditions excepting medical discharges. Sprained ankles do not qualify for VA coverage. She is not a veteran...... Just a wannabe... JP

Response by Amn Meryl Hickman made Aug 31 at 2020 7:42 PM

Amn Meryl Hickman — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 19:42:31 -0400

wow, I finished with shin splints and after the graduation we got drunk. I doubt I was the only one, we were all hurting but pushed on and made it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 1:19 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 01:19:53 -0400

While I do NOT consider them a veteran. They legally ARE a veteran.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Sep 1 at 2020 2:57 AM

CPO Jack De Merit — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 02:57:06 -0400

If they served only 5 months, there was a reason why they did not serve a full enlistment. BUT, they did serve.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 11:56 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:56:25 -0400

Nope, not a Veteran. A quitter yes, but definitely not a Veteran.

Response by Sgt Lissa Rogers made Sep 1 at 2020 4:17 PM

Sgt Lissa Rogers — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 16:17:21 -0400

The oath to serve was pledged, that qualifies a person as a Service Member. Therefore she is a "former Service Member", not a Veteran who served on active duty.

[What is a Veteran? The Legal Definition - VA.org Sep 10, 2019 - A person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.]

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 7:07 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 19:07:47 -0400

From VA.gov:
What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important and will be covered in later sections.

Response by CDR Michael Barrett made Sep 1 at 2020 8:25 PM

CDR Michael Barrett — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 20:25:35 -0400

Nope.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2020 1:54 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 01:54:26 -0400

Veteran of what? Not a fully trained soldier at this point. No, not qualified soldier!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2020 12:27 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 12:27:21 -0400

There are criteria an individual has to meet to become a veteran. In general, a service member has to serve 180 days of active duty and has to complete initial entry training. Of course, there are exceptions to what I said, but I served 18 years of my career without veteran status because I did not have 180 days of active duty. My IET was much longer than 180 days, but as a reservist, I was not entitled for veterans status for the time spent in IET. The ARNG was careful not put us on orders longer than 179 days prior to 2001. You have to earn veteran's status.

Response by SGT Andrew Howard made Sep 2 at 2020 1:21 PM

SGT Andrew Howard — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 13:21:08 -0400

Depends. If they were injured in the line of duty and unable to continue, then yes, they signed the blank check and it got cashed in. If they were discharged because of unsuitability or quit, then no

Response by SP5 David Hall made Sep 2 at 2020 9:34 PM

SP5 David Hall — Wed, 02 Sep 2020 21:34:05 -0400

NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!

Response by SFC Matthew Parker made Sep 3 at 2020 1:33 AM

SFC Matthew Parker — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 01:33:12 -0400

Personal feeling aside about those hurt in basic or whatever,

Federal law: Under Title 38 of the U.S. Code a veteran is defined as a “person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.”

Active service means full-time service in the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, or Coast Guard. Full-time service means those on active duty and may be called to report to work 7 days a week, 24 hours a day.

For those who enlisted after September 8, 1980, a minimum service requirement exists. Unless the veteran has a service-connected disability, he or she must have served a minimum of 24 months of active duty.

A former Reservist is not a veteran unless called to active duty. National Guard and Reserves who are called to active duty and who serve for the entire period for which they were called will have veteran status and be eligible for VA benefits. National Guard and Reservists who are never called to active duty are not considered veterans.

So private snuffy who fell in basic, if he or she is service-connected they are a VA veteran. But would not meet the requirements otherwise. So there are VA veterans, veterans, and combat veterans.

State law: But it gets better, states can define a veteran differently for benefits, for some its 90 days with a day in combat, others 180 days of active service.

And hows this, the Department of Education uses the following definition for education benefits:

A veteran is a former member of the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard) who served on active duty and was discharged under conditions, which were other than dishonorable.

There is no minimum number of days a student must have served on active duty to be considered a veteran.

However, periods of active duty for training in the National Guard or Reserves, do not qualify a student as a veteran except reservists called to active duty by Executive Order since the DD Form 214.

Response by COL William Christmas made Sep 3 at 2020 9:23 AM

COL William Christmas — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 09:23:47 -0400

A veteran is defined by federal law, moral code and military service as "Any, Any, Any"... A military veteran is Any person who served for Any length of time in Any military service branch (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines. Certain Coast Guard personnel operating under the War Dept, Navy Dept or Dept of Defense are also military veterans.) Under that definition, she is a veteran.

Response by CPL John Turner made Sep 3 at 2020 9:25 AM

CPL John Turner — Thu, 03 Sep 2020 09:25:35 -0400

She Is Not A Veteran !!!! Disabled U.S. Army Infantry Veteran , J.T.

Response by SSgt John Canfield made Sep 4 at 2020 5:04 PM

SSgt John Canfield — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 17:04:30 -0400

Must serve for 180 days to be a vet.

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Sep 4 at 2020 7:05 PM

LCDR Jerry Maurer — Fri, 04 Sep 2020 19:05:24 -0400

If you signed to defend your country and are discharged under honorable conditions, you're a veteran. I have a friend who had an anurism after 3 months and was medically discharged. He claimed to be a vet and I said he wasn't. Then I looked it up. I was wrong.

Response by Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez made Sep 6 at 2020 2:40 PM

Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 14:40:03 -0400

so long as they were discharged honorably. i see no problem, why should even care,if it dont affect your status.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2020 6:21 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Sep 2020 18:21:53 -0400

You would have to be considered “fully trained” and “deployable” before I would consider anyone a vet.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2020 3:11 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Sep 2020 15:11:01 -0400

Entry level separations or uncharacterized discharge are given to individuals who separate prior to completing 180 day (6 months) of service. So no they are not considered a veteran - the discharge they are given is not characterized as good or bad. You are not entitled to veteran's benefits.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2020 4:23 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 04:23:48 -0400

No, your coworker is not a veteran. If they never finished AIT, they do not hold an MOS. Without a job qualification they never served doing anything. They were completing training or pre-requisites in order to serve. It's the same as someone that gets sent home from basic training.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2020 4:29 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 04:29:08 -0400

No, your coworker is not a veteran. If they never finished AIT, they do not hold an MOS. They were attempting to meet the pre-requisites in order to serve. Their enlistment contract is contingent upon completing pre-requisite training. Let's try this from a civilian perspective. If a person studies at any college/university, but doesn't graduate; is that person considered to be an alum of the college/university? No way, no how.

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Sep 12 at 2020 6:43 AM

SSgt Michael Bowen — Sat, 12 Sep 2020 06:43:54 -0400

Short answer NO ! Long answer Hell NO !

Response by Cpl John Repaty made Sep 13 at 2020 7:15 AM

Cpl John Repaty — Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:15:38 -0400

While there can be extenuating circumstances, there used to be minimum time served of 181 days.
On the other hand there are a lot of "Wannabees", for whom i can only offer the following: "Nobody is a total failure, they can always be used as a bad example". Semper Fi, jr

Response by TSgt Douglas Greenwood made Sep 15 at 2020 9:35 AM

TSgt Douglas Greenwood — Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:35:54 -0400

The form no one tells you about is, in many cases, more important than the one everyone thinks they know (DD214). The DD 256 and 257 are issued when the person has not met the active duty requirements to be considered a veteran by the DoD. But having a DD214 form doesn't automatically mean you are a veteran!

Response by SPC Tracy Robinson made Sep 23 at 2020 4:51 AM

SPC Tracy Robinson — Wed, 23 Sep 2020 04:51:58 -0400

She missed it by a month. i thought it was 180 days.

Response by SGT Stephen Arrowsmith made Sep 27 at 2020 1:07 PM

SGT Stephen Arrowsmith — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:07:57 -0400

Short of combat related injuries for those that deployed immediately after AIT, I dont take anyone with less than 2 years of service seriously. I dont care what the regulations say. Not a veteran.

Response by SGT Alan Dike made Sep 27 at 2020 2:48 PM

SGT Alan Dike — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 14:48:42 -0400

That depends in my opinion. 5 months and out in AIT.. either they f'd up greatly and got a failure to adapt or dishonorable discharge.. and no, they're not vets then. If they got in a car wreck and were damaged beyond what the military thought they could use.. meaning medically disharged because they could no longer fulfil their contract.. Yeah, I'll grant them vet status in my eyes. They were kicked out because they couldn't continue.. not because of their own actions.. so to speak.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2020 2:49 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 14:49:03 -0400

I played a few games of soccer in school and after,... doesn’t make me a professional soccer player. Your co-worker may be patriotic but until they earn the title,... they are not a veteran.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2020 6:59 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:59:28 -0400

HECK NO!!!

Response by Col Richard Roessler made Sep 28 at 2020 9:10 PM

Col Richard Roessler — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 21:10:23 -0400

Under Title 38 of the U.S. Code a veteran is defined as a “person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.”
A fellow service member’s son was killed in a training accident while in initial training. Anyone who says he was not a veteran because he was ‘just in training’ has a serious problem.
Your coworker is a veteran. I am thankful for your coworker’s service and for yours!

Response by CMSgt Marshall Ray made Sep 28 at 2020 11:22 PM

CMSgt Marshall Ray — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 23:22:40 -0400

First of all he/she is not a veteran period. Secondly, they showed their hand as deceitful and untrustworthy. Watch your back.

Response by PVT Donovan Graham made Sep 29 at 2020 4:01 AM

PVT Donovan Graham — Tue, 29 Sep 2020 04:01:03 -0400

I cant say much about that guy because I don't know their full story.

I served 7 months 27 days. I got out on medical for Adjustment Disorder, against what I had wanted, after fighting to not to be med-boarded for bipolar disorder. I was honorably discharged, but still I dont consider myself a veteran. My grandpa was a WWII vet, my uncle Alex got deployed twice to Iraq, and my Uncle Ricky was a Navy welder.

What did I do? I mopped the fucking floor and checked CACs at the CQ desk occasionally. I'm about as much of a vet as Snoopy was a fucking fighter pilot.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Sep 29 at 2020 10:11 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:11:19 -0400

It would depend on the circumstances. Back in the 1980's an artillery unit at Fort Sill shot out of the box, they hit a basic training unit on the other side of the impact area. Some of those kids most likely were given medical discharges as result of their injuries. I would not consider them to be any less a veteran than someone who did 20 years. Now if it were for shin splints, maybe not.

Response by COL Kelly Hines made Sep 29 at 2020 10:39 AM

COL Kelly Hines — Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:39:50 -0400

Technically depends on why they didn't finish (a lot of those dropping out of AIT seem to end up with VA disability...), but your question is "would you consider that a Veteran"? I personally would not consider them a Veteran.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2020 1:47 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Sep 2020 13:47:39 -0400

Negative !

Response by SSgt Paul Millard made Oct 2 at 2020 11:47 AM

SSgt Paul Millard — Fri, 02 Oct 2020 11:47:07 -0400

DD214 will tell the story as far as qualification for Vet status for most organizations. If she has a DD214, likely a veteran. Even if you receive other than Honorable you get a 214. Personally, not completing training, hence no active service = No veteran status

Response by SSG Jeff Furgerson made Oct 4 at 2020 10:51 AM

SSG Jeff Furgerson — Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:51:48 -0400

I'm wondering what I am missing here? I don't see anything about a sprained ankle, if this person had an injury, I would be surprised they didn't put the person on medical hold until they healed and then put them through AIT again for completion, I could give an opinion here as to whether the person is a vet or not, but really the only thing that matters is the regs, opinions are only relevant to the people who have them, I'm not up on the regs today regarding time of service.

Response by MSG Devaun Morris made Oct 5 at 2020 9:34 AM

MSG Devaun Morris — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:34:06 -0400

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2020 9:51 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:51:28 -0400

Hellz no!

Response by MAJ Jeffrey Johnson made Oct 5 at 2020 4:56 PM

MAJ Jeffrey Johnson — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 16:56:40 -0400

If they left on disability, yes. There are other reasons as sbell. If an Homorakble Discharge was issued, they're a vet regardless of their length of service. I know a couple of guys who fall into these parameters. We welcome them into our vets group.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2020 9:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 21:39:40 -0400

Negative ghost rider. Fake spraining that ankle to get out of that PT test and subsequently being medically separated does not entitle your co-workerer to claim Veteran status. Have to serve 180 days not including training to be considered a Veteran. I dont think your co-worker would even qualify for financial aid as a Veteran. No. They went to summer camp and failed

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2020 12:51 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 00:51:02 -0400

I was told 2 consecutive years before being eligible for benefits but if they finished basic training they are considered enlisted and become a veteran whether or not they finish AIT

Response by MSgt Michael Cronin made Oct 6 at 2020 1:44 AM

MSgt Michael Cronin — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 01:44:54 -0400

I served in the Navy for less than 6 months in 1973. I received the National
Defense Service Medal. Technically I am a Vietnam Veteran for just serving during that era. I went on at a later time to serve 21 yrs in the USAF!

Response by PO1 Grant MIles made Oct 6 at 2020 8:13 AM

PO1 Grant MIles — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 08:13:25 -0400

I would tend to agree with alot of the guys in here, i knew guys who med'd out of basic, i wouldn't consider them veterans. I think the regulation to get paid from the VA is at least one year of service. But i may be wrong.

Response by SSgt Russell Stevens made Oct 6 at 2020 9:05 AM

SSgt Russell Stevens — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:05:06 -0400

I don't see enough information to make the call about being a veteran or not. Under what circumstances was the discharge? I know of one who isn't classified as a veteran because of his failures on active duty and booted after only a few months for not adapting to military life.

Response by SGT Robert Batson made Oct 6 at 2020 4:03 PM

SGT Robert Batson — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 16:03:20 -0400

Absolutely not. If you don't finish training, you're not a veteran.

Response by SPC Randy Wolbert made Oct 6 at 2020 5:20 PM

SPC Randy Wolbert — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:20:33 -0400

First off they werent in long enough it has to be 180 days continuous service, getting bounced out on a trainee discharge just makes you hairy cheeseball who couldnt hack it.

Response by SPC Randy Wolbert made Oct 6 at 2020 5:28 PM

SPC Randy Wolbert — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:28:03 -0400

Not only no but hell to the no, how did they get out? doesnt say they got sick, probably got booted because they couldn't hack it or asked to get out, nope their not a veteran, they got booted so that makes them a hairy cheese ball.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2020 6:01 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 18:01:08 -0400

This soldier is not a veteran but he/she volunteered to serve. That is still an admirable accomplishment

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2020 6:08 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 18:08:11 -0400

The individual qualifies under the legal definition of a veteran, as others have noted.
For those who have criticized this individual for making this claim, I will provide a short story of a similar veteran that I hope may change your mind. My father-in-law recently passed away, and I was asked to go through his possessions. At the behest of his parents, he had enlisted in the Marines in 1952 (stalemate of the Korean War). Unfortunately, he simply lacked the aptitude to succeed and was dismissed from the Corps within two months. Today, we might recognize that he had ADHD or was autistic, and cull him out during screening. However, at the time his parents labelled him as "mentally retarded" and thought the Corps would toughen him up (their words, written in a letter to his Senator as he was being kicked out). He rarely talked about his service, but would occasionally benefit from it (VA hearing aids, job preference for government positions). He was not a quitter or a lame duck...just a young kid trying to please his parents and serve his country. He was kicked out through no fault of his own. A Veteran.

Response by PO2 Jon Rowland made Oct 6 at 2020 7:32 PM

PO2 Jon Rowland — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 19:32:58 -0400

I have to say yes, if the injury was severe enough to really impede any further service. My dad got chondromalacia and bone splinters in his knee during Vietnam while in boot camp. They recycled him 3 times. Every time he got to the end of the training and had to do the forced march with a full 80lb pack, his knee would swell massively. The last time required a surgical drain. Doctors said he probably wouldn’t ever walk properly again. They gave him an honorable discharge. About 10 years ago, he went to the VA on advice from his surgeon, because he needed a knee replacement. They said he got the wrong discharge. Should have been medical. So I thoroughly agree that there are some cases in which it is reasonable. I also believe that in many cases, people feign injury to appear much worse than it is. He got an honorable discharge. That makes him a veteran. He didn’t pursue money from the VA until he was 67 years old. He didn’t play the victim card.

Response by SSgt John DelaVina made Oct 7 at 2020 2:53 PM

SSgt John DelaVina — Wed, 07 Oct 2020 14:53:16 -0400

In the eyes of REAL VETERANS, she can not claim to be a veteran
Tell her/him to say that in a room full of combat veterans and see what answer she/he will get.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2020 9:32 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 21:32:10 -0400

Title 38 reads 180 consecutive days for veterans status.
But other benefits 2 years...

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Oct 15 at 2020 11:59 AM

SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:59:46 -0400

who said he/she sprained an ankle? Could have been a much more severe reason.

Response by SPC Tony Ferrigno made Oct 18 at 2020 8:05 AM

SPC Tony Ferrigno — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 08:05:16 -0400

Whether this person can be called a veteran or not, I don't know. However, this person did serve 5 months and had been going through advanced infantry training for a sizable time, sprained a leg and dealt with depression says something. And if released from the Army honorably, why not be called a veteran. We who have not lived in this person's shoes, should not judge another. Whether a veteran or not, only God can answer. One thing I could say is that, "at least this person served while many others have not. And that is something to be proud off."

Response by SPC Andrew Murray made Oct 18 at 2020 10:22 AM

SPC Andrew Murray — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 10:22:10 -0400

It really doesn't bother me. The va will treat them however they feel appropriate but them claiming to be a veteran isn't going to hurt me in any way.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Oct 18 at 2020 10:55 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 22:55:05 -0400

First my opinion. If you signed up and took the oath, then you’re a veteran. If you died on the train on the way to basic you would get VA benefits your family would get the insurance and you would get a veterans funeral.
Normally I say a veteran is a veteran get over it. Is a case where you do need to make a distinction a veteran who got the Congressional medal of honor certainly is not in the same category as a veteran who got a dishonorable discharge. The veteran who got a dishonorable discharge among many other things does not get any veterans benefits. The fact that most of us despise him and do not respect him because of whatever he did to earn a discount will just charge does not say he’s not a veteran.
I’m of these comments refer to the person in question as a woman so I’m guessing there’s more to the story than we have here. The guy that signed up and spent two years in the mail room is just as much A veteran as a Navy seal who put 25 years in. We might think differently about the two people and might respect one more than the other but they both did their time they both are in the rank of Veteran and they both have DD 214‘s. Using that type of logic I say that if you have a DD 214 you’re a veteran

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Oct 24 at 2020 9:17 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 21:17:32 -0400

Anyone, who has completed their full enlistment commitment, or was injured so severely they are medically discharged I would say yes you are a vet. 5 months, sprain ankle depressed nope they did not want to commit and fulfill their obligation!

Response by SPC Rashaun Jackson made Nov 4 at 2020 9:27 AM

SPC Rashaun Jackson — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 09:27:47 -0500

What In the absolute **** the answer is No

Response by SSG Rick Austin made Nov 4 at 2020 11:18 AM

SSG Rick Austin — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 11:18:40 -0500

No, but if the reason they did not finish AIT was because of Physical or Mental Issues, the VA May consider them a Veteran. I have 2 I am working with now, who both were discharged for Mental Issues brought on by their Basic and AIT.... Perhaps why the Army has restricted how our Drill Instructors are FORCED to work now. Heaven forbid we hurt today's recruits feelings...

Response by SFC Chuck Martinez made Nov 4 at 2020 2:22 PM

SFC Chuck Martinez — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 14:22:06 -0500

In reference to your question, in order to get veteran's status, my understanding is that you must have served 180 days which is equivalent to six months. The Service rendered has to be consecutively and honorable!! It also depends if the soldier was medically discharged before serving his/her enlistment due injuries received while in the training process. They can also received some type of compensation if they received a serious injury while going through Basic or AIT.

Response by SPC David Dougherty made Nov 4 at 2020 2:45 PM

SPC David Dougherty — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 14:45:32 -0500

Over 180 days Active Duty in ANY branch is considered a VETERAN. Sorry NO participation trophies awarded.

Response by Cpl Tyeson Bebee made Nov 4 at 2020 6:20 PM

Cpl Tyeson Bebee — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 18:20:47 -0500

Who cares. Now days every veteran walks around telling everyone they are combative vets and they never left the boat. Who really gives an f@ck anymore when you are in the real world grow up.

Response by Cpl Tyeson Bebee made Nov 4 at 2020 6:22 PM

Cpl Tyeson Bebee — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 18:22:19 -0500

Who cares. Now days every veteran walks around telling everyone they are combative vets that never left the boat. Who really gives cares anymore, we just sold our souls to Chinese today.

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Nov 4 at 2020 11:58 PM

SCPO Morris Ramsey — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 23:58:51 -0500

One of our deputies has a son who joined the Army. While in basic he suffered two broken femurs. One was a compound fracture. He received medical discharge and draws a pension. However, he has no benefits. She considers him a veteran and I agree. He does have commissary and exchange privileges.

Response by MSgt James Medford made Nov 5 at 2020 12:05 AM

MSgt James Medford — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 00:05:08 -0500

Hell no. I have a 100% disabled member of the DAV who was in basic training for 1 day, who fell & hurt is leg & back. He & his wife are 100% covered including dentistry. Shameful!

Response by Dennis Knoetgen made Nov 5 at 2020 10:39 AM

Dennis Knoetgen — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 10:39:40 -0500

180 days to qualify for VA benefits. Any time I services mattress you a veteran. I'd you develop a serious medical condition that requires surgery they will not operate until after up complete AIT. It doesn't make up a quitter to develop a condition that requires surgery as the asshole earlier said

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Nov 5 at 2020 11:05 AM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:05:26 -0500

The Army can release an individual out of the contract without much paperwork for release for a cause or untrainable or medical reason within six months of the enlistment. They are considered, if I remember correctly, has never served at all. They have never served!

A veteran is a person not just serve in the army, but also receive at least a National Defense Service medal, meaning in times of war. The Veterans of Foreign Warfare (VFW), not the organization, are the veteran who actually deployed to participate in a campaign outside the USA and its territories.

Tell your co-worker, do not embarrass himself by claiming that he is a veteran. According to the Army, it never happened, like, "You-who? Who the heck is that? Never heard of it."; "Oh! That shit bag, I shipped him right back to where he came from that the uniforms he wore still have the tag in them." On a serious note, tell him at anyone who has any brain cell knows that he is not a veteran. The way he tries to punk you is not working; you are smarter. And if he was serious, he has fewer brain cells than you give him the credit for. "Aaaah! That's why you were out in five months, no brain cells; batteries not included. No wonder the Army sent you back." I know I am being mean, but he is insulting the actual veterans by claiming to be one. Any Soldiers will take offense to that.

Response by CPL Eddie Baca made Nov 5 at 2020 2:48 PM

CPL Eddie Baca — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 14:48:41 -0500

DOES NOT MAKE HIM A VETERAN MY OPINOION

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Nov 5 at 2020 8:27 PM

1SG Jeffrey Mullett — Thu, 05 Nov 2020 20:27:52 -0500

Absolutely NOT.
You are not a Soldier until you pass both Basic and AIT. If you were released before finishing either, you shouldn't even get a DD214. You will get a failure to meet standards release form.
Passing Basic is the bare minimum. If you don't qualify for a job, you aren't a Soldier.
The only consideration is, if he/she returns, they do not have to complete Basic again.
They are considered an Entry Level Separation.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2020 9:40 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 09:40:05 -0500

Response by CPT James Mills made Nov 6 at 2020 10:38 AM

CPT James Mills — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 10:38:15 -0500

Nope

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2020 12:47 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:47:54 -0500

Response by PO1 Bill Adams made Nov 6 at 2020 1:41 PM

PO1 Bill Adams — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 13:41:03 -0500

Response by SSG John J Accornero made Nov 6 at 2020 2:56 PM

SSG John J Accornero — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 14:56:41 -0500

absolutely NO, my God, someone in a Combat zone or 20yrs, = Veteran, imo
5 months is someone who tried to serve ?

Response by SSgt Richard Rutledge made Nov 7 at 2020 1:03 AM

SSgt Richard Rutledge — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 01:03:56 -0500

I have not yet seen ONE SINGLE accurate response. The main problem here is that there are a LOT of assumptions being made. NOBODY knows if this person was in the Army, USMC, USAF, USCG, Reserves, or Guard. We do not know if this person was put out due to mental or medical problems or if she were dishonorably discharged due to behavioral problems or enlistment fraud. We are making a TON of assumptions based on the story given. The real answer lies within a comprehensive review of 38 U.S. Code § 101 - Definitions:
Sub paragraph 2 states: The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.
**The key to this is understanding what "ACTIVE" means. Does this mean Guard cannot be considered Vets? NO. Sub paragraph 24 states:
The term “active military, naval, or air service” includes—
(A) active duty;
(B) any period of active duty for training during which the individual concerned was disabled or died from a disease or injury incurred or aggravated in line of duty; and
(C) any period of inactive duty training during which the individual concerned was disabled or died—
(i) from an injury incurred or aggravated in line of duty; or
(ii) from an acute myocardial infarction, a cardiac arrest, or a cerebrovascular accident occurring during such training.
**NOTICE--discharge due to disciplinary problems is not included, nor are a lot of other cases--so with the very little information that we TRULY have surrounding the original question, there IS NO DEFINITIVE WAY to say she is or is not a VET. To definitively go either way without knowing all of the facts is to show EXTREME ignorance.

Response by SPC Ryan Shaul made Nov 7 at 2020 1:44 AM

SPC Ryan Shaul — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 01:44:14 -0500

PO1 Weekly is correct. The definition of a veteran is 180 consecutive days of *honorable* service to be classified as a veteran.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Nov 7 at 2020 2:07 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 14:07:51 -0500

I went through basic and AIT in 1966 with draftees that had 2 fingers missing on their shooting hand,hammertoes ( toes stacked on top of each other,and bled on forced marches), one eye that was crossed, and soldiers that were way over weight.As soldiers who you would think would look for any chance to get out ,not one of these guys ever quit.That is what real veterans do.Being a freshman member of your ROTC high school class doesn't make you a veteran.

Response by PO3 Chris Stone made Nov 7 at 2020 4:44 PM

PO3 Chris Stone — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 16:44:15 -0500

The American Legion considers you a Veteran and eligible for membership if you have been honorably discharged. It is the oldest and largest VSO in the world.

Response by SSG Mannix Brooks made Nov 8 at 2020 12:34 AM

SSG Mannix Brooks — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 00:34:38 -0500

That person would have a DD-214 regardless of wether they finished Basic or AIT so you will know if they served any time uniform but the DD-214 is still only your discharge paperwork and still does not mean your were a veteran just the above because you need to examine the DD-214 for the following Character of Discharge Section
SPECIAL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION (For use by authorized agencies only)
23. TYPE OF SEPARATION 24. CHARACTER OF SERVICE (Include upgrades)
25. SEPARATION AUTHORITY 26. SEPARATION CODE 27. REENTRY CODE
28. NARRATIVE REASON FOR SEPARATION
29. DATES OF TIME LOST DURING THIS PERIOD (YYYYMMDD) MEMBER REQUESTS COPY4
(initials)

Read more: https://militarybenefits.info/character-of-discharge/#ixzz6dB8IQEFu

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Military Benefits Information for US Military, Active Duty, Reserve, National Guard, Military Spouses and Military Family

Response by Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire made Nov 8 at 2020 6:23 PM

Cpl Lawrence Lavictoire — Sun, 08 Nov 2020 18:23:43 -0500

Elisabeth: This is just one person your talking about. Does she or can she make a difference to what a true, "VET" is? I doubt it. We all know who we are.
God bless you an yours.

Response by SPC Anthony Brown made Nov 9 at 2020 7:52 AM

SPC Anthony Brown — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 07:52:47 -0500

The issue is that the V.A. considers a person a veteran if they served 90 days on active duty.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2020 1:06 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 13:06:52 -0500

SPC Elisabeth Goerz according to the Army, you need to complete your "Initial Entry Training" or IET to be a fully qualified Soldier. Also, I'm not sure of the time frame, but you have to complete so many weeks of "active duty" time to be truly considered a Veteran for retirement/VA purposes. I think if you have enough time to rate a DD214, then you are a Veteran.

Some years ago, the National Guard got some authorization to name Army National Guard Soldiers who serve 20 years (with no mobilizations/limited active duty time) as "Veterans".

Response by SGM Edward Sullivan made Nov 9 at 2020 2:31 PM

SGM Edward Sullivan — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 14:31:25 -0500

If this old school SGM remembers things as they used to be, I believe the Magic Number was 90 days or more to be classified as “Veteran” Of course I retired over 24 years ago and things DO become somewhat foggy. I was ISG of 4 Separate MP Companies and that number sticks in my head because of Chapter 13 Actions on inept soldiers.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2020 6:25 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 18:25:17 -0500

Nope. Kudos for taking the initiative to join, but no they are most certainly not a Veteran.

Response by SSG Leonard Cartwright made Nov 9 at 2020 7:39 PM

SSG Leonard Cartwright — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 19:39:28 -0500

Yes he or she volunteered

Response by PO2 Larry Ring made Nov 9 at 2020 8:18 PM

PO2 Larry Ring — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 20:18:22 -0500

No she is not a Veteran!!! She is a quitter and any Vet I know including me is no quitter!

Response by SPC Kent Mcgowan made Nov 9 at 2020 8:56 PM

SPC Kent Mcgowan — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 20:56:45 -0500

Strictly speaking, I'm sure they are a veteran as far as the law is concerned (though they would not qualify for any benefits unless the reason for their separation was because of a line of duty injury). However, no one who actually served their time would ever recognize them as such

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Nov 10 at 2020 8:31 PM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 20:31:44 -0500

Absolutely not! He's a POS. Tell him he's a POS poser and move on!

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Nov 10 at 2020 8:35 PM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 20:35:35 -0500

Your co-worker is NOT a veteran per the VA. That said, they'll them they're a POS POSER and move on with your life. He/She isn't worth you efforts or breath!

Response by A1C Jason Jones made Nov 10 at 2020 11:56 PM

A1C Jason Jones — Tue, 10 Nov 2020 23:56:46 -0500

Do they have a DD214 saying they were honorably discharged after 180 days of active service? If NOT then they aren't a Veteran.

Response by CPL Brenda Forletta made Nov 11 at 2020 7:31 AM

CPL Brenda Forletta — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 07:31:48 -0500

HELL NO! He didn't even last long enough to finish training. He'd better get out of here with that mess.

Response by CPL Jeremy Glenn made Nov 11 at 2020 8:36 AM

CPL Jeremy Glenn — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 08:36:59 -0500

One word: Nope

Response by SFC Ernie Lowery made Nov 11 at 2020 9:59 AM

SFC Ernie Lowery — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:59:37 -0500

I believe this issue has been hashed over several times, so let me add a tidbit. Title 38 US Code of Federal Regulations should answer most of these questions.

Response by MSgt Mason Manner made Nov 11 at 2020 3:50 PM

MSgt Mason Manner — Wed, 11 Nov 2020 15:50:49 -0500

I believe that LEAGALLY you must must serve 180days to qualify

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2020 1:19 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 13:19:54 -0500

In my opinion if you don’t finish BCT Boot Camp and AIT. You have not earned your National Defense Ribbion. No. That’s like saying your a professional football player after you went to training camp but cut the last day. And that person may have a respectable reason for not finishing. But didn’t finish end of story.

Response by SPC Robert Dott made Nov 12 at 2020 6:35 PM

SPC Robert Dott — Thu, 12 Nov 2020 18:35:57 -0500

No your not a veteran. Not with a sprained ankle a reason to leave service. You could have gone home boned up and joined a different branch. But don't sweat it you could have been sent to Vietnam and died for LBJ's cronies!!!!

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Nov 13 at 2020 1:51 PM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 13:51:18 -0500

I was under the impression that 180 days of continuous service or if you received a Medical Discharge

Response by MSG Reid Zohfeld made Nov 13 at 2020 1:54 PM

MSG Reid Zohfeld — Fri, 13 Nov 2020 13:54:17 -0500

It depends on why they didn’t finish AIT
But no not really

Response by SPC Curtis Underwood made Nov 14 at 2020 4:04 AM

SPC Curtis Underwood — Sat, 14 Nov 2020 04:04:06 -0500

My definition of a veteran is any person who served in the military and got an honorable discharge. They signed on that dotted line that put their life on the line if they went to war or not.
Now would you call me a Veteran? Here are my stats. I volunteered for the Army in 1970 served state side duty for 1 year 9 months, Discharged with an honorable discharge. I was in during Vietnam, I signed on that proverbial dotted line that gave the military the right to send me any where they choose including war zones. I was never sent. I Helped train recruits at Fort Eustis. I was offered an early out and was told slots were needed because of the pullout of Vietnam. I was not planning on a staying in so I took an early out so that the personnel coming home from Vietnam would have slots. I joined because I am an American and saw serving in the military as my duty.
I call my self a Vietnam era vet not a Vietnam vet because that is what I am.
I served and took my chances just as everyone who served did. I lost friends in Vietnam and I would not dishonor them or my brothers in arms by claiming something I am not.
So am I any different from someone who was in a shorter time that was given an honorable discharge that done what they were ordered to do while they were in? I think not.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2020 8:10 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Nov 2020 20:10:27 -0500

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Nov 16 at 2020 12:25 AM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Mon, 16 Nov 2020 00:25:59 -0500

I believe the magic number is 180 active days.

Response by SGT James Colbert made Dec 20 at 2020 4:30 PM

SGT James Colbert — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:30:20 -0500

My only comment would be if they have a DD214...have them put their money where their mouth is. The Army kicked out my x wife for having g chinsplints and flat feet in the early 90s so she never got to her first duty station..and it wasn't her choice...but if you volunteer yo be separated because your "hair hurts" being polite , not grunt...and you don't complete your initial training cycle to Include AIT ..then there room for doubt

Response by PO3 David Keck made Dec 20 at 2020 7:11 PM

PO3 David Keck — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:11:14 -0500

I believe the legal definition involves serving more than 180 days to begin with. So no.

Response by PO1 Jaime Alvarezmejia made Dec 20 at 2020 7:38 PM

PO1 Jaime Alvarezmejia — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:38:38 -0500

Unfortunately the answer is yes! because the individual in question did finish "Boot Camp", but were injured while at AIT to learn their specific Army job. "Is that him in the pic?

Response by Col Valerie Taylor made Dec 21 at 2020 1:41 AM

Col Valerie Taylor — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 01:41:20 -0500

The amount of time served is actually secondary to the type of discharge. Two (2) months Honorably on a medical discharge = a veteran. Also check the new criteria to include ANG and AFRC beginning January 2021...to include home loans and other benefits.

Response by SP5 Matthew J. Palazola made Dec 21 at 2020 9:59 AM

SP5 Matthew J. Palazola — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:59:46 -0500

Perhaps, a veteran by a technicality or in "name only". Not to be disparaged, none the less. Us combat veterans are a band of brothers & sisters who follow the old adage, "together then, together now". Does not mean to deminish the service of our troops who never dodged bullets, they were there to serve our country none the less.

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Dec 21 at 2020 11:50 AM

SPC Paul Davis — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:50:59 -0500

Just my 2cents. If you serve Honorably and was medically discharged for an injury. Yes I call you a Veteran brother/ sister. Hard to believe there are higher ranking brass spouting off negatively?
Many of us served during the cold War area and during war time but never saw combat. Are we Veterans?? Definitely if you served Honorably. I was in a vehicle accident and received an TBI but after recovering I finished my contract. Years later developed a Seizure disorder and now 60% service connected. And had to retire at 41yrs.old. For the upper ranking NCO'S & OFFICERS. what would be my status?? Served 88-96. Active and reserve

Response by SFC Angel L Martinez Jr. made Dec 21 at 2020 11:54 AM

SFC Angel L Martinez Jr. — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:54:54 -0500

Not even close

Response by PO2 Frank Ushler made Dec 21 at 2020 4:03 PM

PO2 Frank Ushler — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:03:12 -0500

If he had a medical condition that precluded him from completing AIT and was discharged with a medical discharge then yes.

Response by Pvt Wendy Cosby made Dec 21 at 2020 4:43 PM

Pvt Wendy Cosby — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 16:43:07 -0500

It depends on the reason they were discharged. Technically they may be a veteran if they were discharged for medical reasons so while some feel strongly that this is not a veteran, per VA they may be.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2020 5:45 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:45:22 -0500

Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. Discharges marked “general and under honorable conditions” also qualify. Other qualifying events are any person who served in the active military, naval or air service of the United States and was discharged from the service due to a service-connected disability or filed a claim and was service-connected for a disability sustained while in the service.

For example, a person could go into the service and injure themselves while in basic training and receive a service-connected disability rating from the VA. They would be considered a veteran no matter how long they served.

One may not like or agree with it, but this is what the law dictates.

Response by CPT Phil Herman made Dec 21 at 2020 5:59 PM

CPT Phil Herman — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:59:36 -0500

What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. So what this means is that if you were discharged with any classification EXCEPT Dishonorable; regardless of where you served; the time you served; the rank you attained (or didn't attain); whether you were primarily in the national guard, reserve, or activity duty (as long as you spent some time on active duty even if only for training) - you are a military veteran.

Response by CPL Dean Flaherty made Dec 22 at 2020 10:00 AM

CPL Dean Flaherty — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 10:00:41 -0500

5 months is not a veteran, its a failure to meet the minimum to become a soldier. Your friend never made it in the door. Maybe to get veteran assistance or medical they may be considered a vet (in writing), but she really never served and would be considered a poser by veterans who actually served.

Response by 1SG Westley Mcduffie made Dec 22 at 2020 1:41 PM

1SG Westley Mcduffie — Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:41:42 -0500

No, that is a quitter, you may pass along the verbiage.

Response by LTC Ronald Richards made Dec 23 at 2020 11:13 AM

LTC Ronald Richards — Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:13:34 -0500

You also have 3 year veterans and 30-40 year veterans, even at three months everyone signed a blank check

Response by SSgt Daniel Batista made Dec 25 at 2020 11:24 AM

SSgt Daniel Batista — Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:24:46 -0500

You have to have served more than 2years in the military to be considered a veteran since last I checked.

Response by PO2 Louis Fattrusso made Dec 29 at 2020 8:12 PM

PO2 Louis Fattrusso — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 20:12:43 -0500

Absolutely not! Sorry, but you don't get a participation trophy. This is a serious service and being called a veteran is an earned honor.

Response by Brad Miller made Jan 2 at 2021 5:00 PM

Brad Miller — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:00:44 -0500

How if the injury was permanent and severe? (Blind, spinal, etc.)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2021 5:52 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 17:52:09 -0500

There is a loaded implication here.

The technicality has been addressed by many answers in this post- if you served in the military with some degree of distinction- no matter how relative it was- and got out, you are a veteran for all the intent and purpose of paperwork. And if a business offers a deal for veterans? Go for it. Dept of VA has something for you? Get it.

But... the word is where the load comes from. The idea of the TITLE of Veteran is that it is born by someone who has been SEASONED by battle. The etymology is Latin, and the intent is a process of aging by experience. I would call a journeyman plumber a veteran of their career field. A tenured professor is a veteran of their school. A mother is a veteran of childbirth. But I would never say any of these people are Veterans without additional context, because the title draws the mind in a particular direction.

If someone serves in the military for five months of training, like in the previous examples you could say they are a veteran of the military training process. Seems a bit long winded, but it is accurate. You could say they are a military veteran, and it is still technically accurate. However, if someone introduces themselves simply as a Veteran (capitals just to show it as a title) they are springing to mind the idea that they have been seasoned by battle.... and this is where so much of the objection comes from.

Response by Sgt Michael Hageman made Jan 3 at 2021 11:37 AM

Sgt Michael Hageman — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 11:37:31 -0500

Your coworker is not veteran. I'm curious as to why the coworker did not complete AIT and what the DD214 says. On all of the discussions I've been a part of, I don't see any circumstance that allows this person to be a veteran.

Response by CPL Gerald Welch made Jan 5 at 2021 1:45 AM

CPL Gerald Welch — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 01:45:28 -0500

No.

Response by Shannon Drennon made Jan 7 at 2021 8:26 AM

Shannon Drennon — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 08:26:31 -0500

No i sure dont and i have been a milatary wife for 10 years

Response by PFC James Sander made Jan 7 at 2021 3:08 PM

PFC James Sander — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:08:14 -0500

no i would not

Response by LTC William Pulsipher Jr made Jan 8 at 2021 5:44 PM

LTC William Pulsipher Jr — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 17:44:48 -0500

This person is not a Veteran. They didn't complete 180 days of federal activity duty. They are not eligible for Veteran benefits.

"As long as you were deployed on active duty for at least 180 days (this includes training on federal activity duty for training) and you didn't get a dishonorable discharge or a bad conduct discharge coming off those orders, then you could be considered a veteran,"

"Anyone who has reached 20 years of service, even if they were never activated on a [federal] order for more than 180 days outside of training, will now be considered a veteran..." This is because the new law provides, "Now anyone eligible for reserve component retirement benefits is considered a veteran..."

Bottom-line, this person is not a Veteran, period.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2021 12:49 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Jan 2021 00:49:17 -0500

You may receive Va benefits and a rating for some sort of disability for being discharged before AIT. You are however not considered a veteran until you are MOS qualified. At least that is the take I got on it. I forget where I read it but that is what I read.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jan 10 at 2021 12:50 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:50:59 -0500

When I got out and applied for a state job in Utah I was told I didn't qualify for veterans points because I served too long.
Civilians ya gotta love 'em cause ya can't shoot 'em.

Response by SGT Demond Flowers made Jan 15 at 2021 4:10 PM

SGT Demond Flowers — Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:10:49 -0500

yes they are a veteran..smh it only takes 30 days i believe, so technically they are. I'm sure they have a DD214 so yes they are a veteran but not a hero

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jan 18 at 2021 12:23 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:23:09 -0500

Unfortunately, if he received anything above Dishonorable, he can get Veteran's Preference on Government exams and be treated at VA facilities. That said, I would be embarrassed to call myself a veteran under any circumstances that forced me out in under 12 months.

Response by SSG Greg Miech made Jan 18 at 2021 2:35 PM

SSG Greg Miech — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:35:01 -0500

I went to college for 2 years does that make me a college graduate? No he is not a veteran but thank them for trying. Five months?

Response by SFC Christopher Burns made Jan 18 at 2021 6:54 PM

SFC Christopher Burns — Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:54:52 -0500

If you want to be technical a person is considered a veteran after serving 180 days in an active duty position and can file for veteran benefits from the va but in alot of our eyes she is just a quitter

Response by MSgt Robert Dobson made Jan 19 at 2021 12:48 PM

MSgt Robert Dobson — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 12:48:10 -0500

I know of a guy that was in the Army. About 18 months in he couldn't do PT to standards. They asked him if he wanted remedial training or get out. He elected getting out. Some how he got an Honorable discharge. He has FULL Veteran benefits. Gets all his medical at a VA hospital. I want to give him a real reason for being at that VA hospital. Snowflakes can't hack it & still get pampered like entitled babies. Makes me sick & outrageously pissed off!

Response by CPO Charles Patterson made Jan 19 at 2021 2:26 PM

CPO Charles Patterson — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 14:26:50 -0500

As long as they were honorably discharged, I would consider them a Veteran.

Response by LCpl Sidney Green made Jan 19 at 2021 4:46 PM

LCpl Sidney Green — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:46:13 -0500

Like it or not, technically she would be considered a veteran (she provided an active duty service to the military), even if it was only for 5 months.

Response by SGT Jim Wiseman made Jan 19 at 2021 5:15 PM

SGT Jim Wiseman — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 17:15:20 -0500

I'd have to say what many have said: "What are the circumstances of their 'not finishing?'" The DD-214 will speak volumes. If they have no idea what that is, I'd say they weren't a vet. An individual before me talked about knowing someone who shattered bones while in jump school. Good reason to medically discharge and give them right to the title. Since you're not technically MOSQ'ed until you complete AIT (or service equivalent schooling), I'd say that the term doesn't apply unless there are medically mitigating circumstances. Other "hard-luck" discharges would also qualify one if it was more on the military to make the decision to separate an individual, especially if they were willing to continue on despite the government's insistence.
If, to the best of your determination, you can find that an individual quit or was mustered out for substance abuse, or anything resembling a Dishonorable, I'd say the answer is, "Hell to the NO!"

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Jan 19 at 2021 6:08 PM

SFC Clark Adams — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 18:08:33 -0500

Why were they discharged? Performance conduct or medical issues?

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Jan 19 at 2021 8:40 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 20:40:05 -0500

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2021 12:28 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 12:28:15 -0500

Generally speaking you have to either finish your initial term of enlistment or complete a deployment to be granted "veteran" status. Now if a person is medically discharged due to a service connected injury, then maybe.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2021 5:44 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 17:44:05 -0500

SPC Elisabeth Goerz (Service Member = SM) Great question as this hits all the boards, multiple times! The answer is complicated as factors play into circumstances of the individual. Always be considerate and treat others with dignity and respect.

Regardless of what the SM believes of their own status, it is appropriate to not embarrass the individual and provide him/her with the ability to properly research his/her own answer. I have witnessed many people misinformed about service and veteran status and go overboard with how the person is treated.

Short simple answer: Title 38 states that a veteran is "a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable." A veteran will have a DD214 with data in blocks 23 - 28. The DD214 should have a character of service other than dishonorable. Qualifying for any VA benefits is not the same as veteran status.

"Entry level separation (ELS)
Entry level separations, or uncharacterized discharge, are given to individuals who separate prior to completing 180 days of military service, or when discharge action was initiated prior to 180 days of service. This type of discharge does not attempt to characterize service as good or bad."

This sounds harsh, but it is a 'thanks for trying' and a handshake. It is an administrative discharge many have heard termed 'for the good of the service' or other such terms.

The ELS military discharge is designed as a !tool for a military commander! to weed out new members who are not adjusting to military life's rigors and demands. By design, the ELS is used only for members that have 180 days or less of service, thus the "entry-level" connotation. (Shall we keep PVT Snuffy? Invest more time, effort, and money towards training? Will the SM be able to adjust?)

I hope all the information in the rest of this post is helpful to you in your research.

Some interesting backmatter:
Ever wonder what the RE Codes mean? You can find these everywhere, this is just one source:
"https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/veteranservices/learning/vso-tools/tools/Military%20Reenlistment%20Codes.pdf"

Ever wonder what the SPD - Separation Codes Mean? (Link to DoD spreadsheet)
https://militarypay.defense.gov/Portals/3/Documents/Recoupment/SPD_May_2011.xlsx

What does the U.S. Code say? 38 CFR is your guide:
"https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=2c27136e25a56c5230cdd3f952acd6dc&node=pt38.1.3&rgn=div5#se38.1.3_11"

At the end of the day, does the SM have a DD214? Does the DD214 list character of service other than dishonorable?

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Response by CPT Brian Schwab made Jan 20 at 2021 9:36 PM

CPT Brian Schwab — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:36:21 -0500

Eight years in uniform (whether active, reserve or inactive) or poser. A medical, admin or other discharge uring boot camp/AIT doesn't qualify a person as a "veteran".

Response by SGT Tiik Taaka made Jan 21 at 2021 8:10 AM

SGT Tiik Taaka — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 08:10:34 -0500

13 CFR § 125.11 provides:
Veteran has the meaning given the term in 38
U.S.C. 101(2). A Reservist or member of the
National Guard called to Federal active duty or
disabled from a disease or injury incurred or
aggravated in line of duty or while in training
status also qualify as a veteran.

38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides:
The term "veteran" means a person who served
in the active military, naval, or air service, and
who was discharged or released therefrom
under conditions other than dishonorable.

A person without active duty time who was
injured during training may still qualify as a
Veteran.

Response by PO1 Kim Bodeker made Jan 21 at 2021 9:02 AM

PO1 Kim Bodeker — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:02:13 -0500

Yes he is a veteran. He went through boot camp and training. Their are alot worse scenarios out there...

Response by SSgt David Izquierdo made Jan 21 at 2021 11:26 AM

SSgt David Izquierdo — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 11:26:55 -0500

Yes, he could even receive some VA benefits in some instances such as if they incurred an injury or disability while in BCT. It is what what it is.

Response by MSgt George Murray made Jan 21 at 2021 2:06 PM

MSgt George Murray — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:06:12 -0500

I'm sure there is more to the story than we know but in the end, NO HE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A VETERAN. Especially for guys and gals like myself who have over 20 years.

Response by PO2 Alexander Gonzalez made Jan 21 at 2021 6:21 PM

PO2 Alexander Gonzalez — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 18:21:43 -0500

I wouldn't waste my time worrying about it. I mean seriously, we run into people who have done some incredible shit and some who didn't. At the end of the day I'm only concerned about what my DD214 says.

Response by SSG Dan Henson made Jan 21 at 2021 10:43 PM

SSG Dan Henson — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 22:43:01 -0500

I knew a guy, (we all have) who shot himself in the foot during basic training Vietnam time-frame.
He took me as a guest to the VFW post where he was a VP. I, with 8 years active duty at the time, could not go into the VFW. Messed up, yes, but I guess all it takes is one day in and it's your right to say you are a veteran.
With over 22 years on my records, I resent the whole subject and how it works.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2021 5:57 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 17:57:16 -0500

Nope not a vet...and Im allowed to tell her go make me a sammich without blowback!

Response by SPC Bruce W. Corder made Jan 22 at 2021 10:56 PM

SPC Bruce W. Corder — Fri, 22 Jan 2021 22:56:21 -0500

I've never heard of a basic training Veterans

Response by SSgt Sebron Jones IV made Jan 23 at 2021 1:30 AM

SSgt Sebron Jones IV — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 01:30:22 -0500

To be a veteran, a service member must have:

— 180 days of consecutive active duty (not counting training)

— Or one day in a combat zone: served on Active Duty during a period of war or in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge was authorized.

— Served in the National Guard or Reserve for 20 years and retired under honorable conditions. (passed 2016)

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Jan 23 at 2021 10:40 AM

PVT Mark Zehner — Sat, 23 Jan 2021 10:40:40 -0500

Unless injured or wounded for benefits purposes no. If that person wants to call themselves a frog i could not care. Many others do but that's up to them.

Response by SSgt Glenn Martin made Jan 24 at 2021 5:16 PM

SSgt Glenn Martin — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 17:16:52 -0500

NO! You must complete one full enlistment and be honorably discharged.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Jan 24 at 2021 6:51 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 18:51:49 -0500

No.. Plain and simple.

Response by LtCol Dennis Ivan made Jan 24 at 2021 9:50 PM

LtCol Dennis Ivan — Sun, 24 Jan 2021 21:50:46 -0500

Would you consider someone a cop if they dropped out of police academy and never wore a badge..

Response by SGT Greg Strickland made Jan 25 at 2021 11:45 AM

SGT Greg Strickland — Mon, 25 Jan 2021 11:45:54 -0500

It's actually a very simple question to answer, based on only one thing: do they have a discharge? If they have a discharge, of any type, they're a veteran, full-stop. If they were administratively separated, then they are not. That's the whole point of the admin sep: it removes any indication that the person ever served. It's also why you cannot get them after a certain period of time (I belive it's a year, or was when I was in, anyway), but there is no minimum period of time to be given an actual discharge (that i'm aware of).

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2021 7:32 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:32:27 -0500

Oh look there is a code for this “ Under Title 38 of the U.S. Code a veteran is defined as a “person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.”

So yes they are there is no time served so they are considered it. Now in relations to benefits it’s a different story.

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made Jan 26 at 2021 9:37 AM

SFC Kurt Brunken — Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:37:31 -0500

No way, no how. A Veteran must complete their first contract. They could say I served but got hurt and wasn't able to complete my service.

Response by PV2 Cody Moss made Jan 27 at 2021 4:20 AM

PV2 Cody Moss — Wed, 27 Jan 2021 04:20:44 -0500

I could say yes and no also. I was half way through my AIT and blew my knee out. AIT for EOD is roughly 46 weeks. I had 9 months in, blew my knee out. They said reclass to a desk job with permanent restrictions or go home. Went home. Did my 180 days+. Injuries happen alot in intense jobs. For him is it honorable or did he just quit? Is he a pt drop out? For Injuries or other honorable reasons I say yes. For anything else no way in hell. I also don't consider myself much of a veteran.

Response by SR Charles Meier made Jan 27 at 2021 9:36 AM

SR Charles Meier — Wed, 27 Jan 2021 09:36:07 -0500

The best one that I have seen is My Kids mom fell off a Buffer during a Bronco Busting Buffer teck . She never made it out of Boot camp and is not getting 100% Disability /Depression /PTSD
Loves to tell people that she is a VET.. Total Shit SHOW!!!

Response by MSG William Weatherell made Jan 27 at 2021 2:52 PM

MSG William Weatherell — Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:52:22 -0500

No to the Hell No!

Response by SP5 Charles Morales made Jan 28 at 2021 3:20 PM

SP5 Charles Morales — Thu, 28 Jan 2021 15:20:54 -0500

A veteran is someone who has served his/her time and has faced the possibility of risking their own life for our country.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Jan 31 at 2021 8:43 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 20:43:44 -0500

Another want to be. Served yes vet no. If he can't get through AIT he never qualified fo anything but discharge!

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Feb 14 at 2021 1:06 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:06:50 -0500

Why do you care? I see someone else said it is a slap in the face to those who earned the title. If she or he considered themselves a basic training vet, who cares? It's better than those who never enlisted but try to claim they served. They tried and for whatever the reason it was for them. It happens. It has no impact on my life. If it negatively impacts your life, consider re-evaluation of your life. MHO

Response by PO3 Noel Nichols made Feb 15 at 2021 9:57 AM

PO3 Noel Nichols — Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:57:32 -0500

There is too much veneration of non-combat Veterans. VA is a welfare agency for whiners, complainers and slackers.

Response by CPL Gail White made Feb 16 at 2021 3:29 PM

CPL Gail White — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 15:29:20 -0500

No. They did not even finish their training

Response by Maj Michael Leon made Feb 16 at 2021 3:49 PM

Maj Michael Leon — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 15:49:35 -0500

NOPE, no Participation Trophy for this kid.

Response by A1C Kathy Mateer made Feb 16 at 2021 4:16 PM

A1C Kathy Mateer — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 16:16:53 -0500

Your co-worker is a Veteran without benefits. Must serve at least 180 days to recite Veteran benefits.

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made Feb 16 at 2021 8:03 PM

PO3 Steven Taylor — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:03:40 -0500

I had a friend who joined the Navy after I did. He made it through boot camp, and got sent to A school to be a molder. He slipped on concrete and cracked his head which caused epilepsy. He wound up with a medical discharge and a pretty healthy check from the VA every month. He was probably in for a total of less than 4 months. I thought it was bullshit at the time but I guess by law he qualified.

Response by SSG Bob Essigman made Feb 16 at 2021 8:26 PM

SSG Bob Essigman — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:26:15 -0500

not at all!

Response by SSG James Peterson made Feb 16 at 2021 10:49 PM

SSG James Peterson — Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:49:34 -0500

An individual has to serve a minimum of 180 days to earn veteran status

Response by SFC Joseph Vega made Feb 17 at 2021 5:04 PM

SFC Joseph Vega — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:04:34 -0500

If you were in the Military for no matter you are a veteran in some ways as you still served '

Response by COL John Power made Feb 17 at 2021 5:09 PM

COL John Power — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:09:51 -0500

Nope!

Response by Sgt Anthony Breaux made Feb 17 at 2021 7:53 PM

Sgt Anthony Breaux — Wed, 17 Feb 2021 19:53:21 -0500

If you were inducted, and separated under honorable conditions, you are a veteran.

Response by SSG Martin Fruchtl made Feb 18 at 2021 11:20 AM

SSG Martin Fruchtl — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:20:59 -0500

It would be interesting to k ow why they separated. I have a friend who was injured at AIT and ended up with a VA rating and payments for that rating. How they separated might make a difference.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2021 11:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:51:48 -0500

If a member of the armed forces was discharged during basic training for medical reasons, they are still considered a veteran for Federal student aid purposes so long as they served at least one day before being discharged. ... To be considered a veteran, the student must have been released from active duty.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2021 3:21 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 15:21:18 -0500

If that person received a honorable discharge that person is
consider a veteran by VA standards. If not sure, read the entitlements
book and you will know. Also if she is receiving medical service from the VA
and/or she has a service connected disability she is a Veteran. We need to stop
being haters. Don

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2021 3:59 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 15:59:04 -0500

100% no. Must serve in an active duty position for a minimum of 12 month; furthermore, I do believe that one year period must be spent overseas. Check out the actual VA definition for what is considered an actual veteran. Lots of people might be butthurt after reading the official definition

Response by PO1 Mike Meehan made Feb 18 at 2021 4:26 PM

PO1 Mike Meehan — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:26:06 -0500

https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Feb 18 at 2021 5:14 PM

SPC Martin Meyer — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:14:12 -0500

That is not a veteran. My son tried to go into the Navy and busted out during boot camp or whatever the Navy calls it. Bad ankles I do not consider him a Veteran.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Feb 18 at 2021 7:33 PM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:33:13 -0500

To become a Veteran you must have served your initial tour of duty and neither is Basic or AIT an initial tour; Basic and AIT are initial training programs. Minimum three years to earn Veteran status, I believe. Thanks and great observation.

Response by SGT Horacio DeSouza made Feb 18 at 2021 9:46 PM

SGT Horacio DeSouza — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 21:46:56 -0500

It depend on how they got out. If they were injured and cannot be recycled, yes they can but if they get put out on say "Failure to adapt" no he or she are not considered a vet. They have not completed the required. "What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important.

Response by SGT Horacio DeSouza made Feb 18 at 2021 9:48 PM

SGT Horacio DeSouza — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 21:48:40 -0500

That's a 180 days

Response by SSG Wayne Thompson made Feb 19 at 2021 9:25 AM

SSG Wayne Thompson — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:25:12 -0500

Hell no!!!! she's not a veteran I served 22 long years active duty she a quieter not a vet period

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2021 5:27 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:27:25 -0500

I am not sure on this but personally I would not say he could call himself a vet until he has at least made it to Perm. Party so he has to have finished basic and AIT and Graduated and made it to his 1st Perm. Party Duty Assgn.

Response by SN Tr Winehouse made Feb 19 at 2021 6:05 PM

SN Tr Winehouse — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:05:02 -0500

Think about it this way: Some Americans have refused to serve or skated out on serving(like Mr. Trump), so the fact that he/she took the oath and served at all, is all that needs to be said besides, "Thank you for your service"!

Response by SN Tr Winehouse made Feb 19 at 2021 6:06 PM

SN Tr Winehouse — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:06:57 -0500

The fact that he/she even took the oath for me is enough! Some Americans have refused to serve or skated servce (Mr. Trump). Say thank you for your service and be done with it. You never know what happened between Basic Training and AIT.

Response by 1SG Wayne Harvin made Feb 19 at 2021 9:17 PM

1SG Wayne Harvin — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:17:46 -0500

Based upon my experience your co-worker only did 5 month which stopped him/her 1 month of being a veteran therefore more and likely that person was chapter out

Response by COL Frank Siltman made Feb 20 at 2021 8:40 AM

COL Frank Siltman — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:40:34 -0500

Nope. Chaptered out without completing IET, not a veteran, a poser.

Response by CSM Tim Bebus made Feb 20 at 2021 8:30 PM

CSM Tim Bebus — Sat, 20 Feb 2021 20:30:22 -0500

Response by SSG Breeze T made Feb 23 at 2021 11:01 AM

SSG Breeze T — Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:01:28 -0500

I personally would not. I have a friend who managed to get a medical discharge right before she was about to get a bar to re-enlistment (she was a horrible soldier). She served just under five years, got her E5, and now tells everyone she is a retired NCO from the US Army. It drives me crazy!

Response by MSG Scott Ballard made Feb 25 at 2021 4:36 AM

MSG Scott Ballard — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 04:36:32 -0500

No if you don't even get out of AIT then no you are not a vet. That would be like going to college for a week and saying I'm a college graduate. It doesn't work that way. Sorry dude you're not a veteran. You didn't even get assigned a job. You didn't do anything in the service. Usually they can spot people like that in basic and get rid of them.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Feb 25 at 2021 2:50 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:50:33 -0500

No. I think the present guideline is either 164 or 167 days which would be either 5 months and either 14 or 17 days with having finished AIT. I'm not exactly sure but the number is more than 5 months would be.

Response by SGT Kenneth Brockman made Mar 2 at 2021 12:48 PM

SGT Kenneth Brockman — Tue, 02 Mar 2021 12:48:33 -0500

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Mar 2 at 2021 2:00 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:00:39 -0500

The overwhelmingly likely answer would be "No." However, there might be special circumstances. For example, if the individual was severely injured (through no fault of their own) then a disability might be involved with the discharge, in which case the answer might be "Yes." For another example, there have been times when a Reduction In Force was in effect, and people in AIT were asked if they wanted a discharge. Volunteers would get an Honorable. Those are two that come to mind. However, note that both of them would be quite unusual. If you do not hear about any unusual circumstances surrounding your co-worker's discharge, the answer is very likely "No. This person does not qualify to be considered a Veteran."

Response by SSG Fernando Zamora made Mar 8 at 2021 4:10 AM

SSG Fernando Zamora — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 04:10:32 -0500

It's shocking to me how many people say this person is or is not a veteran merely based on opinion. It's particularly shocking because the military is all about regulations. What does the regulation say? That's all that matters. Whether it has integrity or honor merit can be debated for weeks. Kudos to those that actually pulled out the regulation and not their feelings.

Response by SSG Fernando Zamora made Mar 8 at 2021 4:11 AM

SSG Fernando Zamora — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 04:11:20 -0500

Kudos to those that pulled out the regulation to determine what qualifies a veteran instead of pulling their feelings and opinions.

Response by MSgt Sidney Lichter made Mar 15 at 2021 3:28 PM

MSgt Sidney Lichter — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:28:38 -0400

I'm a USAF retiree with 20 years under my belt (and over 30 since I retired). Yes, I'd consider the person a veteran if he/she has a DD-214 that says they served. Once you raise your right hand and take the oath, you're a veteran when released/or discharged.
I had a daughter (now deceased) who served, and was released for medical reasons. She was a veteran, even though she didn't qualify for VA support (due to length of service).

Response by A1C Daniel Green made Mar 16 at 2021 1:52 PM

A1C Daniel Green — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:52:43 -0400

Any person who joined the military and entered basic training is, in my opinion, a veteran. The type of discharge and the reason why the discharge is how the title of veteran should accepted. My son-in-law did not complete Marine basic training, however he is considered a veteran because he blew his knee out.
If you signed on the dotted line and got off of the bus at basic and did not quit because it was just too hard, they should be considered a veteran. The only ones who should not have that title are those that quit and those that have been dishonorabley discharged.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2021 6:06 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:06:03 -0400

Why didnt she finish AIT. If it was just quitting and not a medical issue

Hell no, that's not a veteran

That's a quitter.

Response by MSG Jeremy Jiron made Mar 18 at 2021 12:33 PM

MSG Jeremy Jiron — Thu, 18 Mar 2021 12:33:08 -0400

I had a soldier who never passed a pt test in basic or ait. They sent this soldier to me. He was worthless. So I processed him for discharge. He had all these infantry tattoos all over his arms including Dedicated Infantry Combat Killer “dick” on his forearm. He never deployed, never passed a pt test, never passed a ruck March, but you know he’s got disability and sits at the Legion telling stories like he’s the best infantry soldier ever. It’s unbelievable how these type of flunkies promote themselves.

Response by CMSgt Lloyd French made Mar 19 at 2021 10:02 AM

CMSgt Lloyd French — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:02:39 -0400

If you have a DD214 that shows a discharge date and type, you are a military veteran.

Response by Justin Underwood made Mar 19 at 2021 11:30 AM

Justin Underwood — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:30:20 -0400

NoGo at that station, remedial training and retry suggested.

Response by SSG Ron Bogard made Mar 19 at 2021 11:54 AM

SSG Ron Bogard — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:54:35 -0400

Depends on why the individual was put out, under honorable circumstances 90 days is the cutoff.

Response by SPC Jennifer Clever made Mar 19 at 2021 1:28 PM

SPC Jennifer Clever — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:28:46 -0400

As long as it was honorable service. Yes.

Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made Mar 19 at 2021 3:59 PM

SSG Sidney Galloway — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:59:04 -0400

No "no," but heck no. The law stipulates 180 continuous days. I think an addendum is well in order. I think that no one that doesn't complete their entire first term (for other than medical reasons) should be entitled to being called such. My little brother falls into this category.

Response by SPC Brian Ezell made Mar 19 at 2021 4:51 PM

SPC Brian Ezell — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 16:51:23 -0400

If you serve 180 consecutive days in active duty (not including training) or one day in a combat zone served on active duty during a period of war or in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge was authorized in the US military you are technically a veteran. You also are a veteran if you served in the National Guard or Reserve for 20 years and retired under honorable conditions.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2021 5:04 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:04:14 -0400

Based on the info provided I would say no.

Response by SFC Thomas Owens made Mar 19 at 2021 5:17 PM

SFC Thomas Owens — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 17:17:07 -0400

On day 181 of active duty you become a veteran.

Response by CPL Vicki Bender made Mar 19 at 2021 6:17 PM

CPL Vicki Bender — Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:17:47 -0400

She served her 180 days. No it is not a slap in the face. I served in the 70's. There was no war, my company was put on alert several times. I was looking at my father in laws war record. Yes he was sent overseas but his total time serving was 4 months. He developed malaria. Treated and released from service. Would I take that honor from him NO.

Response by SCPO Gene Meade made Mar 20 at 2021 7:55 AM

SCPO Gene Meade — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 07:55:15 -0400

At Ease, SPC. 180 days AD constutes a Veteran. Not all can do it, That's why you are ELITE. Have some compassion. God, Family, Country; you are a Christian first.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Mar 20 at 2021 9:26 PM

SFC Larry Jones — Sat, 20 Mar 2021 21:26:53 -0400

The former Navy recruiter is correct. I spent 11 years in the Army's Recruiting Command. Anyone who has served 180 consecutive days on active duty is a veteran. Unless it has changed, the Army reference is AR 601-210. Sorry, I have been away from it too long (25 years +) to remember chapter and verse.

Response by SGT Justin Wilson made Mar 21 at 2021 3:42 AM

SGT Justin Wilson — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 03:42:46 -0400

Smh I hate people like that...

Response by CMSgt Harold Moore made Mar 21 at 2021 6:30 AM

CMSgt Harold Moore — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 06:30:14 -0400

No...doesn’t even deserve a participation trophy

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2021 9:23 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 09:23:40 -0400

One is entitled to their own beliefs and personal feelings but a veteran is a person who has been discharged under other than dishonorable conditions. A person's veteran benefits differ based on length of service and type of discharge.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2021 12:20 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:20:09 -0400

I'm pretty sure the comment about 180 days service is correct, except in exceptional circumstances.

I'd generally give them the respect if they have an honorable discharge, but that's not an official definition.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Mar 21 at 2021 12:50 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 12:50:24 -0400

Well, i guess for me, it woudl depend on why he was discharged.

But, BASIC is the test for me, you make it through basic, and you are a soldier.

Of course AIT means you have an actual job, so again it would depend on why he was discharged, if he was say a tanker, and something happened, medically, in tank school that prevented him from being able to serve, then yes he is a veteran.

But if he got fed up and went AWOL no, he is not he bailed on AD.

Response by SPC Robert Hendrickson made Mar 21 at 2021 1:11 PM

SPC Robert Hendrickson — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:11:22 -0400

I'm very sure that if an ex-soldier wanted to be .. did not finish out or at then no .. he or she should not earn a title of veteran..as also said..check the regulations and rules that was set forth .. learn and earn .. or .. yearn and turn

Response by CPO Joe Radich made Mar 21 at 2021 3:32 PM

CPO Joe Radich — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:32:45 -0400

As far as I know it’s still 180 consecutive days to be categorized as a veteran of any branch

Response by CPT Keith Celebrezze made Mar 21 at 2021 3:49 PM

CPT Keith Celebrezze — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 15:49:24 -0400

No. When I worked as a TRADOC BCT XO, the "Initial Entry Training" started at BCT and ended at the end of AIT (or the end of OSUT, for certain MOSs, including infantry). If the individual did not complete their initial entry training, they never "entered", so to speak. This is like someone washing out of football tryouts and claiming to have been on the team. It's misleading at best and fraudulent at worst.

Good luck.

Response by Andrew Kimmel made Mar 21 at 2021 4:30 PM

Andrew Kimmel — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:30:09 -0400

Decidedly not. Last I checked, you need to have been in active military(not AIT, not BCT, but actually a regulation soldier) at least 18 months with no deployment, or 9 months with deployment. Or was it 18 with, and 2 years without? I'd not remember. Either way, that is a far cry from 5 months.

Response by LTC James Washington made Mar 21 at 2021 6:12 PM

LTC James Washington — Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:12:05 -0400

I’m a retired LTC who served 7 weeks short of 30 years. Since I did all my time in the Guard and Reserve I am a veteran but I do not qualify fir any VA benefits. Toward the end of my career I had several years with 100 days of duty. But still no VA.

Response by AB Brenda Kay made Mar 22 at 2021 12:38 AM

AB Brenda Kay — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 00:38:47 -0400

Yes

Response by PO2 Dave Michniewicz made Mar 22 at 2021 2:19 AM

PO2 Dave Michniewicz — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:19:43 -0400

The laws and regulations which have been posted enough times in the comments for this question so I’m not gonna repost them. Yes, you may be legally considered a veteran. I’m not gonna judge anyone because frankly it’s really none of my business and they did volunteer to serve. Did they quit, get in trouble or were injured is for leadership to make that call. What I will say is this, from the minute I left MEPS, boarded the bus at the airport that then brought me to boot camp and where immediately started on my path from boyhood to learning what it means to be a man and a productive functioning adult over the next ten years of my service I can honestly say that if that were me that couldn’t finish my training for whatever reason, I would have to take a good look in the mirror and honestly ask myself am I really a veteran. Why do I need to tell whoever that I’m a veteran. I would ask myself did I truly earn the honor of being a veteran? When the majority of the civilian population don’t the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day and will come up a respectfully thank you for your service not knowing what that actually means, am I doing it because of the short time I actually served and for what’re reason was unable to complete what was required of me to fulfill my contract with my country and her people. Or am I doing it for the positive attention military members have finally been experiencing since 911. I was honorably discharged after 10 years right before 911. I never, and most military and veterans I know didn’t serve for the thank yous and other such comments over the past 20 years. From 91-2001 never heard it once and never even thought about it. Ethically though, I would never be able to respect myself for openly call myself a veteran to other people when like I stated for whatever reason it be I didn’t complete what is required for everyone who has answered the call. Even if I tried my hardest I would be more embarrassed that I wasn’t able to do it. Yes you volunteered to put you life on the line for 99% of the country that never even did that but to tell others that you are a veteran while knowing yourself what it means to other military members, veterans and a large proportion of the civilian population, ethically not what regulations say it’s wrong. Yes there are rare cases where I would consider someone a veteran who never completed boot camp or initial training afterward before actually reporting to their first command but they are rare cases. I would say thank you to them for taking the oath and trying but I would not consider them a veteran nor would I ever tell them that they weren’t. These are just my thoughts and my opinions having served and being part of the proud history in my family who have served during the gulf war, the Cold War, The Vietnam war, the Korean War, the beaches of Normandy across Europe to Germany during world war 2 and world war 1. No you don’t have to have seen action in combat to be a veteran but you do have to make it through the easiest and first part of your military commitment. Navy core values, honor, courage and commitment! Where you even in long enough to know there is a huge difference between knowing the definition of each word and knowing what those core values really mean. This question to me was more a question on ethics than regulation. To all you veterans, welcome home and if you’re struggling for whatever reason, never feel like you’re weak or you’re a lesser person because you are struggling. Reach out and make the first step by talking with someone, hopefully the VA and it’s ok. There are more out there feeling the same way you do, than you think. We all want each other around for a long time.

Response by SSG Shavonde Chase made Mar 22 at 2021 2:34 AM

SSG Shavonde Chase — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 02:34:54 -0400

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Mar 22 at 2021 7:44 AM

1LT Peter Duston — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 07:44:21 -0400

The original definition from WWII was one (1) day of honorable service following swearing in. This was to allow, as I was told, for a "in line of duty" determination in the case of accidents on the way to basic training - car, train or bus wrecks. I have used that definition in school Veterans Day presentations to help kids understand that veterans are not all combat survivors as they commonly think.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2021 9:35 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:35:59 -0400

After 5 months of service I would say no, this person has no skill level qualifications and if they were in only 5 months sounds like a wash back and did not requalify.

Response by SSgt John DelaVina made Mar 22 at 2021 2:42 PM

SSgt John DelaVina — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:42:57 -0400

HELL NO!!
A veteran is one that endures sacrifices adapts to situations far more than an ankle sprain and a little depression

This person is a wannabe and now knows that he should have stick it out

Hell no he’s not a veteran

Response by LTC Anthony Monroe made Mar 22 at 2021 6:40 PM

LTC Anthony Monroe — Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:40:03 -0400

No he has to serve at least 6 mo on active duty. If yo allowed 5 mo training all National Guard members go thru 6 mo training

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2021 8:47 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 08:47:47 -0400

I would caution your co-worker on how they use the title of Veteran. To the general Veteran Community, not a veteran. But there are some organizations that will provide veteran service if they served at least 90 days. Not the same thing as being a veteran who truly served a term of service.

My son is in this boat. He was injured at Fort Benning and was medically discharged. While not a veteran who served his full term of service, he is more of a "real" veteran, than many who did serve their full 20 year plans. He just doesn't claim to be a Veteran.

Response by SPC Earl Brown II made Mar 23 at 2021 10:37 AM

SPC Earl Brown II — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:37:28 -0400

Would you consider someone that started a few week of graduate classes in law then quit for personal reasons an attorney?
Additionally, the claim of veteran status appears to be utilized for the sole purpose of extracting additional benefits for the individual in question.

Response by PFC Dale Mattison made Mar 23 at 2021 12:14 PM

PFC Dale Mattison — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:14:41 -0400

What a joke. No he isn't a veteran.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Mar 23 at 2021 12:40 PM

PO1 Todd McMillin — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:40:04 -0400

Veteran status can be a complicated issue. The person still signed up for an all volunteer force. Regardless of if injury precluded them from finishing their service they still did more than people who staid at home... BUT veteran status for VA purposes is a much more complicated thing.
They are a veteran if: They have a DD 214 showing a discharge that is not DISHONORABLE. Typically this is only possible is they were not in an Active Duty for Training status (think reserve and NG people who do basic only) and served 180 day consecutively. They can also be considered to have veteran status IF they were on ADT and sustained an injury during that time. Typically if the injury is service connected then the ADT time "counts" as active duty for VA purposes. I know, clear as mud, but realistically the person in the above situation (without knowing further details) could and should be considered a veteran.

Ya'll saying this person is a quitter... wow, way to support a fellow veteran.

Response by CPO Bill Frey made Mar 23 at 2021 8:00 PM

CPO Bill Frey — Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:00:10 -0400

Probably not, always exceptions! Just like most replies here already Sparky don’t get no title of Veteran, Quitter is available though.

Response by LCpl Michael Ingram made Mar 24 at 2021 10:20 AM

LCpl Michael Ingram — Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:20:01 -0400

yes i would, it doesn't matter to me if you served one day, that's one day in service of your country and that can never be taken away from you, semper fi !!!!!

Response by SGT Daniel Yi made Mar 25 at 2021 4:33 AM

SGT Daniel Yi — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 04:33:07 -0400

Injury and medical discharge/retirement, you can consider the person a veteran. If downright quit because they couldn't take it, then no.

Response by SSgt John Hutto made Mar 25 at 2021 12:19 PM

SSgt John Hutto — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:19:46 -0400

no not at all! i mean veteran of what? they quit so they failed! i have a friend who claims she is a marine veteran. come to find out from a mutual friend of ours, that she didnt even graduate boot camp! but she is 100% disabled and getting all this care from the VA! im sorry, but i dont think you should be able to qualify for any benifits unless you actually serve a certain amount of time, atleast 4 years minimum! i know some fellow vet friends of mine that went through hell getting benefits, and they actually were deployed multiple times! its a slap in my and many other vets faces! its called stolen valor if you ask me! shame on them! needless to say me and my so-called marine friend are no longer friends! shes a nice person, but i cant trust someone that will lie about something like serving your country!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2021 1:56 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:56:06 -0400

Believe it or not, this is a gray area. As far as Soldiers are concerned, we would not acknowledge them as a veteran. They aren’t a combat veteran for obvious reasons. They didn’t serve 180 days on active duty. When I first came in, they (other soldiers) said it was 7 years to be considered a veteran. This leaves the VA definition. If a Soldier is separated for medical reasons and eligible for VA disability compensation, then they are a veteran. Often you hear about privates that get medical discharges out of basic training for mental health related issues. 17-21 year olds can develop Schizophrenia and other serious service disqualifying mental health disorders during basic training. They get out and go to the VA and get 100% VA disability compensation and are considered veterans because their service (basic training) caused the disorder.

Response by C/SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2021 6:27 AM

C/SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:27:22 -0400

You would have to know what type of discharge he or she got. Like honorable, medical, hardship, or dishonorable.

Response by PFC Kevin Adrian made Mar 26 at 2021 7:30 AM

PFC Kevin Adrian — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:30:29 -0400

No 5 months does not make one a veteran

Response by SFC Ronald Eckert made Mar 26 at 2021 8:42 AM

SFC Ronald Eckert — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:42:06 -0400

I met a medically retired E-1 a couple of years ago. They never got out of boot camp. It happens.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2021 11:20 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:20:04 -0400

NOT a Veteran if you didn't finish AIT you would not have a MOS therefore not in the military with a Line number in service during a war . Unqualified in your attempt to get your first MOS you can't be a veteran.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2021 6:07 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:07:29 -0400

I would not. But what I say doesnt matter. Refer this person to the actual regulations enacted that describes what criteria must be met to be a veteran. Time in "training status" is generally not enough to qualify anyone as a veteran. At a TMC I worked at a young trainee was identified as having MS. We so desperately wanted this to be deemed service connected but it was at Fort Jackson and he was nowhere near the end of the training cycle.
I knew a young lady who perished in a car crash while at Goodfellow AFB for tech school. She was awarded posthumous honors but still didn't meet the criteria for veteran status although she did receive a military funeral.

Response by TSgt Robert Holmes made Mar 28 at 2021 11:27 PM

TSgt Robert Holmes — Sun, 28 Mar 2021 23:27:43 -0400

You have to had 181 days of continuous service to receive Veteran status.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2021 10:37 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 18 Apr 2021 22:37:30 -0400

I believe the legal requirement is two years (at least that's what I heard at boot camp, and since I didn't plan on getting out before two years, I had no reason to question it). However, I think there's a deployment exemption to that minimum.

Response by SPC Jacob Hostetler made Apr 19 at 2021 1:37 PM

SPC Jacob Hostetler — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 13:37:29 -0400

The coworker finish basic training, but did not finish AIT. Comes down to their discharge code. Honorable with medical than yes their veteran. But if ELS failure to adopt than No or worse an dishonorable discharge.

Response by SGT Reuben Barrett made Apr 21 at 2021 1:56 PM

SGT Reuben Barrett — Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:56:46 -0400

You sign , you swear in, you go the next step finish boot - you’re a veteran- at any time in that sequence you can be sent to action/combat - they were there & ready - stop disrespecting the stakes of the commitment - only now are you released for stuff like that — in 1941 you were not released- period

Response by LT Robert Williscroft made Apr 23 at 2021 4:36 PM

LT Robert Williscroft — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:36:11 -0400

Elizabeth--If you want genuine interaction with fellow vets, you might want to cease the politically correct BS of using "they" when you mean either "he" or "she." "They" refers to veterans (more than one). It is a plural pronoun. A single veteran should be referred to as "he" or "she" as appropriate. Our civilian society is being overwhelmed with this politically correct BS. We really don't need it in the military and the vet community.

Response by SPC Clint Roberts made Apr 23 at 2021 7:54 PM

SPC Clint Roberts — Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:54:30 -0400

You can serve one day of active duty and claim Veteran status under federal law. Why is this even an issue??

Response by A1C Isa Kocher made Apr 24 at 2021 5:36 AM

A1C Isa Kocher — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 05:36:16 -0400

calling someone a quitter because they were discharged is cruel, ugly, disrespectful hate speech. if the usa considers someone a veteran, they are. if the usa does not, they probably are not. but hate speech is just not respectful to any veteran. we all served our country. that is what counts. nobody deserves vilification because the military could not use their capabilities.

without knowing the circumstance there is no basis for vilification. some vets cooked, some cleaned. some worked in a library or chapel or warehouse.

Response by CPL Ashton Phares made Apr 24 at 2021 7:59 AM

CPL Ashton Phares — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 07:59:35 -0400

As a Veteran I consider a Veteran someone who has deployed to a combat zone. If you did not complete initial training you are unable to consider yourself a soldier. I fractured my left arm the first month of basic, after a few days of struggling to do push-ups, I got good at putting all me weight on my right arm. My elbow still ticks and pops 12 years later; no regrets.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Apr 24 at 2021 12:28 PM

SFC Robert Walton — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:28:56 -0400

Ahhhhhh Hell everyone can call them selves a Veteran these Days doesn't really Matter unless you research the years of service for the individual and the regulations that governed that era. Now day you can retire from service with almost no time served. JMTC

Response by SFC Donald Souza made Apr 24 at 2021 4:55 PM

SFC Donald Souza — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:55:59 -0400

Response by SSG Ray Elliott made Apr 25 at 2021 8:39 AM

SSG Ray Elliott — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 08:39:00 -0400

It depends on why they got out after 5 months. If they were badly injured on the job, and discharged for medical reasons, yes they did their best and tried to serve their country, and they are a veteran in my book. This type of discharge of the veteran usually displays a lifelong physical limitation, because they can no longer physically perform military duty, and have an actual disability rating from the VA. If they were discharged for anything other than a legitimate medical under honorable circumstances then no.

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Apr 25 at 2021 11:56 AM

CPL Raul Perez Jr — Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:56:41 -0400

Negative, did not finish training.

Response by CPL Jay Strickland made Apr 26 at 2021 12:22 AM

CPL Jay Strickland — Mon, 26 Apr 2021 00:22:26 -0400

It depends on why they were put out. One women I went to AIT shattered her hip and was permanently disabled. It turns out she developed a fracture during basic that was untreated and a few months into AIT something popped and she couldn't walk. I believe they keep her in a few months before chaptering her to ensure eligibility for certain benefits.

Response by SSG Marlin Dammarell made Apr 26 at 2021 7:07 AM

SSG Marlin Dammarell — Mon, 26 Apr 2021 07:07:52 -0400

Wooowww, Once again the stories on here are truly amazing!! 5 months served, why not!! These days they are giving non 20 years serverd retired veterans that had to serve 20 or more years to get all their benefits these days ie: ID Card, Post Access, Medical for Life, etc.
I get it, man, if you served your Country and are disabled for whatever reason, then you should be entitled to some sort of benefits, ire: Medical, etc, so why not serve 5 months and be a veteran.
I bet they are getting a minimum of 60%-70% VA Disability for some sort of Behavior Health issue, to and Living the Dream as a Disabled Vet!!!
Well Deserved Troop!! You swore to defend the country and here we are now!!
Let Us Pray, Amen!!! JD

Response by SSG Willian Ward made Apr 27 at 2021 12:20 AM

SSG Willian Ward — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 00:20:07 -0400

If that person served honorable for 180 consecutive day on active duty the he is a veteran

Response by SPC Jeff Stassin made Apr 27 at 2021 2:55 AM

SPC Jeff Stassin — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:55:52 -0400

It upsets me to now have say; I know someone like that. They rolled a HMMV received a surgery on their ankle, and lower back injuries either at the end of basic training or beginning of AIT, living it up 100 percent disabled.
Yet, I served 3 years in active duty in Germany breaking down the joints, cartilage, and body as I was constantly in contact with motor pool chemicals and heavy ass equipment and vehicles, then 7 more years in the Texas army national guard with a deployment in OIF/OEF 08-09. Now with severe Nerve and spinal pain with only a 40% rating for asthma and tinitus, ..... The VA hospitals know exactly what's wrong with most of us, and the rest just get thrown drugs our direction to stay quiet and continue like lab rats. While the very information the disability board is looking for is right infront of their faces on the VA hospital documents that they are too lazy to read or get paid by the government to ignore the people who really need it versus simply being injured on the job and getting rehab from workman's compensation. I'm tired and fed up with the inequality of how myself and many other veterans who deserve the same treatment as those who have yet to earn it, by going the whole 9 yards and then running, walking, hobbling, crawling and rolling back the extra 9 yards to make it back. It's complete and total B.S.

Response by HN Rick Strul made Apr 27 at 2021 4:44 AM

HN Rick Strul — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 04:44:03 -0400

Did your friend receive an Honorable Discharge? If so, they ARE a Veteran. There are folks that suffered significant disqualifying injuries due to no fault of their own during the early months of their service and were mustered out as a result. They had no say in the matter and should not be discriminated against. They signed their lives and bodies away just like every other Veteran and suffered the consequences. Others have died during similar periods of service. Honorable service, no matter the length of time is service nonetheless. Each of us have our own personal experience in accord with God's will.

Response by SMSgt Dominick Donoflio made Apr 27 at 2021 2:41 PM

SMSgt Dominick Donoflio — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:41:34 -0400

A lot of debate going on here about why the person is or is not a veteran. Some I agree with, some I don't.

An injured person who can't continue due to that injury is certainly a very in my book because they at least tried.

But the really irritating part to me is that some people, especially businesses, consider an active duty or disabled (no matter the length of current service) to be a vet more so than me..... who did 26 years through 2 wars. Can't count the number of times I was told a military discount was for active duty or disabled only and didn't apply for a retiree. So....a person who only spent 2 weeks gets the vet benefit and I don't,.

Response by SPC Clay Wilson made Apr 27 at 2021 11:09 PM

SPC Clay Wilson — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 23:09:04 -0400

Nope

Response by SGT Louie Santana made Apr 28 at 2021 12:41 AM

SGT Louie Santana — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 00:41:50 -0400

180 consecutive days of active duty not including training. Or one day in a combat zone. Unfortunately not five months of sick call.

Response by COL Korey Jackson made Apr 28 at 2021 12:11 PM

COL Korey Jackson — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:11:01 -0400

Is this individual eligible for VA benefits? Then he is a veteran.

My father was in AIT during the Korean War when his father (my grandfather) died; his older brother was then serving on the front lines of Korea. The local draft board members intervened, and requested he be discharged to assist his mother and young siblings to take care of the farm. My father was personally tutored over the next few days, completed necessary testing, completed the testing, awarded an MOS, and was given a family hardship discharge. His drill sergeants passed a hat through the barracks, and collected money for a bus ticket. He made it home in time for the funeral and burial, with an Honorable Discharge. Though active in the local American Legion, he never considered himself a veteran like his brother, because he never served in combat. But he appreciated the hearing aids the VA medical system now provides.

I retired after 30 years active duty in the Army, and I consider my father (and others like him) to be a veteran.

Response by SPC Jimmy Rooks I made Apr 28 at 2021 1:10 PM

SPC Jimmy Rooks I — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:10:34 -0400

No! But the military does! I spent a couple months at a halfway house for veterans & one of the residents there was kicked out of the Air Force during Basic...*shrug*!

Response by SFC Richard Baerlocher made Apr 29 at 2021 12:51 AM

SFC Richard Baerlocher — Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:51:20 -0400

Although technically a veteran by law if they received an honorable discharge, I would personally say no they are not a veteran. I have a friend that served for 20 years, and retired as an E-8, and never served overseas. I would notv consider anyone a veteran if they have never served overseas in a combat zone.

Response by SrA Clifton Wilson made Apr 29 at 2021 11:21 AM

SrA Clifton Wilson — Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:21:23 -0400

Yes, they raised their right hand and swore an oath to serve. Whether they served a day or half their life they are a veteran. Everyone, has a different opinion on this. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what we think, it matters what your coworker thinks.

Response by PO3 Gretchen Larsen-Bish made Apr 29 at 2021 4:18 PM

PO3 Gretchen Larsen-Bish — Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:18:44 -0400

One must make it through bootcamp and have worn a uniform outside of training! I served 5+years and Had to get out, multiple back surgery. I fought to stay! I knew someone who complained until the doctor just got her out- because I was getting medical retired! I loved my service. My husband retired 25 years. I went to college, VA, then worked as a social worker for the Navy. This chick thinks she served! Huh...she could not shine our boots!#poser

Response by SFC Don Lawrence made Apr 29 at 2021 9:05 PM

SFC Don Lawrence — Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:05:55 -0400

Several years ago I tried to get the definition of a Veteran. The best answer I could get is “depends”. Some programs say it takes just one day of active duty. Some said more than 30 days. Some said the earlier of more than 6 months or completion of initial training. Those are just a few.

Response by AA Gwendolyn E Mugliston PHD made Apr 29 at 2021 9:20 PM

AA Gwendolyn E Mugliston PHD — Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:20:26 -0400

No. 180 days of unbroken service is the first criteria with no bad behaviors, no brig time, etc.

Response by PFC Andy Chiaku made Apr 30 at 2021 12:19 AM

PFC Andy Chiaku — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 00:19:58 -0400

That's not a coworker I'd affiliate myself with. That's one of those shit bags that you distance yourself from. Imagine being a person who dropped out of high school but brags that they went to college. Its sad they have no shame, or the ability to save face. Its even more pathetic they believe they are entitled to have the privilege of saying they are a vet.

Response by PFC Andy Chiaku made Apr 30 at 2021 12:22 AM

PFC Andy Chiaku — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 00:22:34 -0400

If it was a full tear or rupture I can see being stuck in AIT being absolutely horrid. 2-3 months recovery for a REAL sprained Ankle. But they chose to quit. Quitters aren't veterans sorry.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Apr 30 at 2021 8:48 AM

1SG Billye Jackson — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:48:20 -0400

When I Retired I started Collage. After 3 months and several Talks with Liberal Professor's came to the Decision that it wasn't for me. Does that make me a Collage Grad? LOL

Response by MSgt Joseph Sabrowski made Apr 30 at 2021 10:08 AM

MSgt Joseph Sabrowski — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:08:35 -0400

I don't think so, but...

Response by LTC(P) Christina Moore made Apr 30 at 2021 12:24 PM

LTC(P) Christina Moore — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:24:01 -0400

This question does not pose enough information to say if this person is considered a veteran or not. My suggesstion is that no one should judge without knowing all the facts. Disparaging remarks about someones service are also not helpful but this community is about inclusivness and the lack of information about the individuals personal sacrifice should not be judged.

Here is a link to an informative brief on this matter from the Vetrans Administration. It is not a matter for opinion but definition of facts.

https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by SPC Juan Morales made Apr 30 at 2021 3:58 PM

SPC Juan Morales — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:58:12 -0400

By regulation a veteran is one who serves 180 consecutive days in the military

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2021 7:04 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:04:23 -0400

I thought that once you graduated BMT you were technically considered a veteran...

Response by CPL Dennis Clark made Apr 30 at 2021 7:21 PM

CPL Dennis Clark — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:21:56 -0400

To legally be given Veteran status you have to serve a minimum of three years. The minimum contract I've ever heard of is 2 years. 5 months?? He must have been medically, or dishonorably discharged. He does not even come close to qualifying for Veteran status. That is a person who needs to be stopped, before he violates The Stolen Valor Act, in an attempt to reap the benefits that many of us who actually ARE Veterans are given.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made May 1 at 2021 2:10 PM

MSgt Gilbert Jones — Sat, 01 May 2021 14:10:54 -0400

Was the individual released for medical reasons? Their depression must have really been bad that mental health couldn't help them.

Response by SPC Floyd Hall made May 1 at 2021 6:32 PM

SPC Floyd Hall — Sat, 01 May 2021 18:32:19 -0400

No, I do not. I dont feel an explination is required.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made May 1 at 2021 10:07 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sat, 01 May 2021 22:07:53 -0400

Very difficult to answer without more information. I personally consider anyone that was in for five months veteran. No matter what type of discharge they got there still a veteran. I don’t think that is the case under the law. They may be in a category where the engagement was just ruled Noll and void and so they don’t have an official record of service.
Now in both cases (they are are they are not a veteran) for me personally it depends on how they present themselves if they say they serve five months he got discharged for such and such a reason and that’s the truth and I respect them for the fact that they signed up. On the other hand if you’re trying to get something out of this that they’re not really entitled to then I start thinking about the phrase stolen valor and start to suspect something less honorable.

Response by SSgt Brian Burch made May 2 at 2021 11:52 AM

SSgt Brian Burch — Sun, 02 May 2021 11:52:51 -0400

What does it matter. If the person is interested in becoming legit, they should take their DD-214 to the nearest VA hospital and apply for a health card. The agency will determine if they meet the criteria and that will be that. When we came in from Vietnam there was so much hostility we hid the fact that we had been in. My how things have changed.

Response by SPC Henry Francis made May 2 at 2021 12:39 PM

SPC Henry Francis — Sun, 02 May 2021 12:39:35 -0400

There is a legal definition of “Veteran” and it is also decided into periods of service. If this person meets the definition they are a better an. If not, they are not a veteran. It’s just that simple. Furthermore, the service must at a minimum have been characterized as “under home table conditions” on their DD-214.
Just as a guess, I would say that 155 days of service does not a veteran make.

Response by CSM Bob Stanek made May 3 at 2021 2:19 PM

CSM Bob Stanek — Mon, 03 May 2021 14:19:07 -0400

Per the following website: https://sudbury.ma.us/veteransagent/faq/what-is-the-federal-and-state-definition-of-a-veteran/#:~:text=FEDERAL%20DEFINITION%3A%20under%20Federal%20Law%20a%20VETERAN%20is,marked%20GENERAL%20AND%20UNDER%20HONORABLE%20CONDITIONS%20also%20qualify.%29

FEDERAL DEFINITION: under Federal Law a VETERAN is any person, who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. (Discharges marked GENERAL AND UNDER HONORABLE CONDITIONS also qualify.)

Ultimately, you need to find out what type of discharge was authorize via their DD214 on separation. If he was medically discharged before AIT, then it probably is a General as that is the standard issued for those personnel in those situations like pre-graduate. As long as there was no legal or punishment related issues, then it will be a General. Given that, the term is considered acceptable.

With all that said, in general unwritten rule practices, not too many military personnel who HAVE actually completed at least a term of service (180 days of more which usually includes basic and AIT training), would recognize those who DID NOT complete their basic or AIT type training. Most people in this group of personnel who have completed training will reference those who did not complete training as "want-a-be" military types in my opinion. Personally, if the topic comes us, I don't ask if they have a certificate of discharge, I just ask where, when, what and how they served. If the answer is "questionable" I will let them know whether I believe they served or not and have earned the right to be called a VETERAN. Just my honest opinion.

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Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made May 3 at 2021 5:13 PM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Mon, 03 May 2021 17:13:19 -0400

Nope

Response by 1SG Eddie Smith made May 11 at 2021 2:33 PM

1SG Eddie Smith — Tue, 11 May 2021 14:33:01 -0400

NO!

Response by CMSgt Milton Newtom made May 18 at 2021 3:05 PM

CMSgt Milton Newtom — Tue, 18 May 2021 15:05:06 -0400

You must complete 180 Days of Active Duty too qualify for Veterans Status in the VA system.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2021 9:52 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 May 2021 09:52:42 -0400

Technically they are not a veteran. There are service members of the National Guard that do all their time and never obtain veteran status. Here's why...according to 38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides:

The term "veteran" means a person who served
in the active military, naval, or air service, and
who was discharged or released therefrom
under conditions other than dishonorable.

38 U.S.C. § 101(21) provides:

The term “active duty” means—
(A) full-time duty in the Armed Forces, other
than active duty for training;
(B) full-time duty (other than for training
purposes) as a commissioned officer of the
Regular or Reserve Corps of the Public Health
Service (i) on or after July 29, 1945, or (ii) before
that date under circumstances affording
entitlement to “full military benefits” or (iii) at
any time, for the purposes of chapter 13 of this
title;

So, unless they spent 90 continuous days on Active Duty, outside of BCT and AIT and other military schools, they will not be considered a veteran.

Response by SGT Joy Henry Collette made May 25 at 2021 4:49 PM

SGT Joy Henry Collette — Tue, 25 May 2021 16:49:37 -0400

NO, not a veteran in any way. A quitter in every way though. Even if she got injured in AIT, so is NOT A VETERAN.

Response by Sgt C S made May 25 at 2021 9:23 PM

Sgt C S — Tue, 25 May 2021 21:23:06 -0400

I think we have to at some point take a step back before we judge. I served 8 years, but no combat. This was in the "good old days" where unless I was a nurse, "girls" didn't go anywhere near combat. Does this disqualify me as a veteran? We don't know what happened to that person. Did her injury result in her depression? The co-worker signed up in good faith to serve. If there's a time served requirement, a cause requirement, whatever, its really no one else's business but that member and the powers that be. Life in general can be stressful enough, don't lose focus on what you have to do...to be your best!

Response by SPC William Wells made May 25 at 2021 10:21 PM

SPC William Wells — Tue, 25 May 2021 22:21:37 -0400

No, I would say he's not a vet.

Response by PO3 George Tektonopoulos made May 26 at 2021 12:08 PM

PO3 George Tektonopoulos — Wed, 26 May 2021 12:08:59 -0400

I don't know what the rules are now; but when i was in more than 30 years ago; during Boot Camp, they made it clear that you are not considered a Veteran unless you have served 180 continuous days on active duty (6 months straight). so to claim to be a Veteran after leaving 5 months does not make you a Veteran. the proof is in the written pudding (discharge papers).

Response by PFC Steven Rosenberg made May 26 at 2021 2:40 PM

PFC Steven Rosenberg — Wed, 26 May 2021 14:40:47 -0400

No way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2021 7:53 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 May 2021 19:53:31 -0400

Heeeeck no! I'd use stronger language but in the interest of professionalism...I have 10 years as a reservist but never deployed. Frankly, I don't consider myself a veteran. Your coworker is a washout, if there's a military title they're looking for.

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made May 27 at 2021 10:50 AM

SFC Jerald Bottcher — Thu, 27 May 2021 10:50:22 -0400

Nope not a veteran, have to serve at least six months.

Response by SGT M C made May 27 at 2021 1:50 PM

SGT M C — Thu, 27 May 2021 13:50:41 -0400

In a word NO!

Response by PO1 Chivas Mathews made May 27 at 2021 3:45 PM

PO1 Chivas Mathews — Thu, 27 May 2021 15:45:15 -0400

Personally I would not consider them a "full" Veteran, perhaps a Veteran Nominee. Just being qualified and selected to serve takes courage and I would assume they want the credit for making it that far, but to not make it through basic training SHOULD NOT award anyone the right to call themselves a Veteran. They SHOULD earn the right to try at it again.

Response by SGT Robert De Santiago made May 27 at 2021 11:31 PM

SGT Robert De Santiago — Thu, 27 May 2021 23:31:41 -0400

I'm a vet and I was told that if you finish boot camp you're a vet.

Response by CPT Shane D. Metz made May 28 at 2021 11:14 AM

CPT Shane D. Metz — Fri, 28 May 2021 11:14:24 -0400

Nope...He would have had to complete a full term of service. Have been Honorably Discharged. Under 38 CFR 3.1(d) and under Public Law (PL) 95-202 & 106-259, see M21-1, subpart iii, 2.K.3

Response by SP5 John Fitzgerald made May 28 at 2021 5:42 PM

SP5 John Fitzgerald — Fri, 28 May 2021 17:42:56 -0400

Finish a full term of enlistment or have your term stopped by a service related injury makes a veteran.

Response by CDR Paul Stryker made May 28 at 2021 9:13 PM

CDR Paul Stryker — Fri, 28 May 2021 21:13:13 -0400

Yes. If the individual signed an enlistment contract then they are a veteran whether they served 5 months, 5 years or a full active / reserve military career.

R/ CDR P.S. Stryker USNR (Ret.)

I served 32 years enlisted and commissioned service USN and USNR (twice). I enlisted in 1977 for 4 years as a USN Reserve NROTC midshipman at the University of Rochester (NY). Then I was commissioned as a USN Ensign on May 10th 1981 and served 10 years 7 months 3 days active duty Navy as a Special Operations Officer (1140 community). On January 1st 1992 after the Persian Gulf War I went USN Reserves for 18 years until mandatory retirement as a Commander (O-5) June 1st 2009.

Response by A1C Gus Mimikos made May 29 at 2021 9:46 AM

A1C Gus Mimikos — Sat, 29 May 2021 09:46:23 -0400

Rule of thumb is 180 days of Active duty and Honorable Discharge or General qualifies you as a Veteran. That's it.

Response by Sgt Stephen Brown made May 29 at 2021 8:12 PM

Sgt Stephen Brown — Sat, 29 May 2021 20:12:25 -0400

The ol DD 214 should tell the story. If my memory serves me right as mentioned earlier you must have served at least 180 days and completed training.

Response by SSG Steve Chesney made May 29 at 2021 10:00 PM

SSG Steve Chesney — Sat, 29 May 2021 22:00:08 -0400

What were they discharged for?

Response by PO2 Christopher Moore made May 29 at 2021 10:58 PM

PO2 Christopher Moore — Sat, 29 May 2021 22:58:51 -0400

Yes

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made May 30 at 2021 5:53 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Sun, 30 May 2021 17:53:34 -0400

There are legal definitions of "Veteran." If this co-worker met them then this co-worker is a Veteran. If your co-worker does not meet the definitions, then no.

Now, there is also what you want to do. Without regards to anything else, if you wish to recognize this person as a Veteran, you have the right to do so.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2021 7:18 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 May 2021 19:18:27 -0400

To be a Soldier, you must graduate from Boot Camp. To be a Marine you must graduate from Boot Camp. do be a Sailor or Airmen you must graduate ............................ The point is, no, he is not a veteran.

Response by SPC July Macias made May 30 at 2021 9:12 PM

SPC July Macias — Sun, 30 May 2021 21:12:08 -0400

Mother-F**k no! He ain't no veteran! Graduating from nine weeks of Basic doesn't even make you a real soldier.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2021 10:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 May 2021 22:07:31 -0400

A veteran is anyone who served 180 consecutive days. They may have a DD 2-14 but it will state how many days they served. Less than 180 days disqualifies them as a veteran.

Response by MSG GregoryT Majewski made May 31 at 2021 2:28 AM

MSG GregoryT Majewski — Mon, 31 May 2021 02:28:23 -0400

By the law, they are a veteran with veteran rights ad privileges!

Response by PO2 John Driskill made May 31 at 2021 2:29 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Mon, 31 May 2021 14:29:50 -0400

At my last place of employment were two people who were medically discharged from boot camp and were getting VA treatment. My wife knew a lady at her quilting group who was nuttier than a fruit cake. She claimed she had been in the Navy and was a veteran. She said she had served aboard a ship and when my wife asked her for the vessels name, Loony Tunes told her it was top secret. I figured that she was one of those that got medically discharged.

Response by LTC Marc King made May 31 at 2021 3:22 PM

LTC Marc King — Mon, 31 May 2021 15:22:32 -0400

No!

Response by Sgt Mario Soberal made May 31 at 2021 5:45 PM

Sgt Mario Soberal — Mon, 31 May 2021 17:45:52 -0400

Response by CWO4 Josh Henley made Jun 1 at 2021 1:23 AM

CWO4 Josh Henley — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 01:23:42 -0400

My sarcasm is on the rise. However, this should put the truth to rest...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCNp_jl5m6c

Moonlight Graham Dreams

One of my favorite scenes in Field of Dreams....

Response by SGT Rudy Gibson made Jun 1 at 2021 2:21 PM

SGT Rudy Gibson — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 14:21:55 -0400

If the Department of Veterans Affairs doesn't classify this person as a veteran. Guess what this person is not a veteran. For the most part the person has to complete basic, AIT then serve on active duty for six months. Barring a medical separation this person more than likely will not be considered a veteran. Good intentions be damned if you don't make the grade. Simply put you are not a veteran. Most city, county, state and even federal agencies will not classify this person as a veteran as well.

Response by SSG Bobby Cagle made Jun 2 at 2021 11:26 AM

SSG Bobby Cagle — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 11:26:03 -0400

It depends on the circumstance. Back when I was an administrative legal specialist for VHA, I encountered a former cadet who didn't finish West Point. By law he was considered a veteran, entitled to the moniker and benefits,

Response by CW3 Roy Veal made Jun 2 at 2021 4:28 PM

CW3 Roy Veal — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 16:28:32 -0400

Response by PO2 Sam Vanderburg made Jun 3 at 2021 7:38 AM

PO2 Sam Vanderburg — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 07:38:53 -0400

Yes. Simply put, that co-worker signed the same contract you did and made the same commitment. Apparently, that co-worker washed out before completing training or was medically incapable to complete training to serve.

Response by Arene Sanders-Rushdan made Jun 7 at 2021 8:55 AM

Arene Sanders-Rushdan — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 08:55:04 -0400

I am not even a veteran and know that would be a Nope!
Is it those who served or those who almost served?

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Jun 7 at 2021 12:10 PM

CWO3 Robert Fong — Mon, 07 Jun 2021 12:10:22 -0400

Morally, NOPE! Legally, Yep!

Response by Christian McCormick made Jun 24 at 2021 2:05 PM

Christian McCormick — Thu, 24 Jun 2021 14:05:31 -0400

I was in Army basic in 2019 I suffered a severe fall during a ruk march. Landed on my hip and cracked it, I’m in the process of re enlisting. I would never consider myself a veteran I don’t even consider myself prior service because I have a great deal of respect for those who have been to war and died for our country. This person just sounds like he’s using that to should I say “sound cool” at most he would be considered prior service. Definitely not a veteran and that’s coming from someone with a similar situation.

Response by A1C Chris Pointer made Jul 1 at 2021 6:24 PM

A1C Chris Pointer — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 18:24:29 -0400

Legally I don't think they are. But personally I would consider them a veteran. They did 5 more months than the vast majority of people so I won't discredit their time, even if it was in training.

Now if they are trying to use their veteran status to gain something that would be a different story

Response by PO3 Jessie Taylor made Jul 4 at 2021 7:04 PM

PO3 Jessie Taylor — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 19:04:04 -0400

No, absolutely not, I believe the minimum time served on active duty to be considered a Veteran is 18 months.

Response by SPC(P) Clifford Deal made Jul 4 at 2021 11:53 PM

SPC(P) Clifford Deal — Sun, 04 Jul 2021 23:53:37 -0400

Fought to get my weak lungs into shape, late enlistment at age 22, pretty much BEGGED to get in, completed not only AIT, but over 7 years , [ reserves and ONG after 3 years in the Regulars] completed 2 other schools, one Divisional level for NBC defense, and the other Infantry reclass. Just my opinion, but I'd say..NOOOO...If ya really want the title of Veteran, you'll MAKE yourself EARN it.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made Jul 5 at 2021 4:05 AM

MSG Michael McEleney — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 04:05:00 -0400

This would depend on the type of discharge he received. His DD-214 would say. I would think he's got an Uncharacterized Discharge for failing to complete boot camp or failing to meet some enlistment requirement. A Sprained Ankle would only get him/her into a medical holding unit, until he was mended.

Response by Lt Col Larry Gamble made Jul 5 at 2021 10:25 AM

Lt Col Larry Gamble — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 10:25:31 -0400

What would the VA say about this person’s status? If someone served one day and was medically put out; they could be entitled to VA care. I ran a veteran homeless shelter for a couple years. We used the VA criteria. There can be legit reasons a person didn’t serve 180 or 1 yr. I’m not judging without knowing more. Could be sketchy but maybe not.

Response by SGT Bud Mullins made Jul 5 at 2021 8:25 PM

SGT Bud Mullins — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 20:25:16 -0400

Response by SP5 James Stockton made Jul 6 at 2021 10:44 AM

SP5 James Stockton — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 10:44:37 -0400

Considering that so few other people will even try to put on the uniform, I would consider such a person a veteran. If they have a DD214 I will accept them for, at least, they did try. Also, know people who want to join but have been turned down for various reasons. So just being accepted to try, alone, is a bar many cannot achieve.

Response by LTC Armor Brown made Jul 6 at 2021 1:58 PM

LTC Armor Brown — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 13:58:01 -0400

There is the veteran who has served honorably, and there are people who tried to measure up to become veterans. Attending AIT, serving on active duty for 24 hrs just doesn't meet the true meaning of a veteran. I'm sorry for those that tried and failed, but I will always remember that look soldiers had when they failed a PT test, promotion boards, or airborne or ranger school. They all had that look in their eyes that they knew they tried and failed. Anyone who attempts to tell me that they are a veteran based on the above has never looked me in the eyes and said it. For that matter, I don't care if they claim they are a veteran there are probably many more tests and goals that they probably didn't meet either.

Response by SSG Woodrow McKay made Jul 6 at 2021 6:45 PM

SSG Woodrow McKay — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 18:45:41 -0400

https://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/
What is a Veteran? Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces classifies as a veteran as long as they were not dishonorably discharged. However, with regard to applicable benefits, other considerations are important and will be covered in later sections.

What is a Veteran? The Legal Definition - VA.org

A person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.

Response by SPC John Bryant made Jul 6 at 2021 9:37 PM

SPC John Bryant — Tue, 06 Jul 2021 21:37:42 -0400

Wow but no, I did three years active duty and 3 IRR friendship tours with a good conduct medal and Honorable Discharge after a blow out ACL and frost bit on my finger from Artic training with the 101st. Suck it up buttercup you could of complete basic AIT after you healed

Response by SFC Lisa Leverett Bailey made Jul 7 at 2021 8:35 AM

SFC Lisa Leverett Bailey — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 08:35:44 -0400

This time frame is not acknowledge as Veterans because they don't consider training as service time.

Response by SFC Lisa Leverett Bailey made Jul 7 at 2021 8:44 AM

SFC Lisa Leverett Bailey — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 08:44:21 -0400

Must complete basic and AIT before consider as Veteran

Response by Cpl Al Yee made Jul 7 at 2021 12:19 PM

Cpl Al Yee — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:19:44 -0400

You have to serve 180 days of active duty not counting training to be considered a veteran.

Response by SPC Charles Sewell made Jul 7 at 2021 12:49 PM

SPC Charles Sewell — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 12:49:43 -0400

Real veterans have a certain quality about them , all are different yet they are similar. Vets know who they are, you can't fake it. There is no substitute for experience.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2021 4:45 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 16:45:02 -0400

People who even complain about this issue are no better. You’re literally a pog stop lol

Response by SGT Jerry Olson made Jul 7 at 2021 11:31 PM

SGT Jerry Olson — Wed, 07 Jul 2021 23:31:03 -0400

if you raise your hand and say yes and discharged then you are a veteran

Response by PO3 Whitney Higgins made Jul 8 at 2021 12:48 AM

PO3 Whitney Higgins — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 00:48:33 -0400

While I was in boot camp, an older lady had joined. She put in 100% and was a model recruit. Towards the end of training, medical diagnosed her with cervical cancer and proceeded to give her a medical discharge. Technically she may not be a veteran because she didn't serve 180 days, but I would never call her out on it. She signed up and was willing, just not able. Who knows why this person only served 5 months. I know I didn't serve my full enlistment due to a medical discharge and it broke my heart. I loved the Navy and my command and was planning on being a lifer. Sometimes life just doesn't agree.

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made Jul 8 at 2021 7:26 AM

PO2 Steven Michaeli — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 07:26:10 -0400

I had a cousin who broke a collar bone in basic and was released with benefits so the VA considered him a veteran; not sure I do. Then a coworker contracted meningitis two years in and had to learn to walk and control their bodily functions again - he's a veteran.

Response by MSG Ronnie Snider made Jul 8 at 2021 10:13 AM

MSG Ronnie Snider — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 10:13:58 -0400

He/she went to MEPS, basic training, AIT but could not finish because of whatever....YES they are a Veteran. It maybe or not their fault they could not finish. In any form they are still a VET and should be treated as such PERIOD.

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Jul 8 at 2021 11:22 AM

1SG James Matthews — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 11:22:04 -0400

NO!

Response by SCPO Dan Lewis made Jul 8 at 2021 12:25 PM

SCPO Dan Lewis — Thu, 08 Jul 2021 12:25:52 -0400

Yes they are a U. S. Military Veteran. They signed on the doted line to serve IAW the UCMS. Honorable Discharge that is another thing. Combat vet is another thing. Decorations are another thing.

The other stuff you mentioned is icing on the cake. It is stuff of awards, decorations, and careers are made of.

I for example served from when school got out in June of '75 to when we decided to go home in August '87. All was very cold war. Yes I have some guilt about that. But I did serve. I say that in preparation for this question: WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE "VETERAN LINE?"

Shall we disqualify: USN Shore duty sailors, POG, Chair Force, Training wash outs?!? The list could go on to disqualify me and you or anything short of MOH . None of us had the same experience.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2021 3:21 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 10 Jul 2021 15:21:57 -0400

For a former servicemember to receive certain VA benefits, the person must have active U.S. military service for a minimum period of time, generally the lesser of the full period ordered to active duty or 24 months, and be discharged “under conditions other than dishonorable.” Some members of the National Guard and ...May 25, 2016

Response by LCpl Kevin O'Maley made Jul 17 at 2021 4:47 PM

LCpl Kevin O'Maley — Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:47:25 -0400

No! She’s a Civi, who couldn’t cut it!! Semper Fi. 68-71 HHOOORRAAHHHHHH!

Response by SGT Mark Vandolah made Jul 20 at 2021 11:24 AM

SGT Mark Vandolah — Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:24:28 -0400

It is a complete and utter insult for someone who could not even complete their contract to be compared to a soldier who has completed their contract, fought in combat, or even retired from the military. I would say no you are not a veteran and should not be able to claim such title. I compare this to stolen valor!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 23 at 2021 12:47 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 12:47:07 -0400

No, no way

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 23 at 2021 12:47 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 12:47:37 -0400

No I don't

Response by SN Kristi Kalis made Jul 23 at 2021 2:55 PM

SN Kristi Kalis — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 14:55:11 -0400

If they graduated from boot camp, they are a member of the US military. No one gets to pick and choose who they consider a veteran except the US military.

Response by SSgt Richard Peterson made Jul 23 at 2021 3:19 PM

SSgt Richard Peterson — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:19:17 -0400

Response by A1C Riley Sanders made Jul 23 at 2021 5:26 PM

A1C Riley Sanders — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 17:26:43 -0400

A Veteran ? likely not, unless they can verify that he/she is.

Response by SSG Hank Ortega made Jul 23 at 2021 5:42 PM

SSG Hank Ortega — Fri, 23 Jul 2021 17:42:23 -0400

That's not a vet. That's a "couldn't cut the mustard."

Response by 1SG Steven Malkowski made Jul 25 at 2021 11:15 AM

1SG Steven Malkowski — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 11:15:24 -0400

It depends on the circumstances upon which they were separated. Medical or Failure to Adapt are two different things. Absent a medical separation, you must have at least 180 consecutive days on Active Duty. This is why many Guardsmen/women and Reservists are not considered vets even after 20+ years of service. They didn't have 180 days in BCT/AIT combined.

Response by LTC Stephen B. made Jul 26 at 2021 6:49 PM

LTC Stephen B. — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:49:24 -0400

I see a lot of speculation(?) in the comments, but perhaps the answer to my question is buried somewhere in all the replies to replies - do you know why your coworker only served 5 months? It makes a difference from a legal/veterans' benefits perspective, although for some it won't make a difference on whether or not they "consider" said person to be a veteran.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Jul 26 at 2021 7:28 PM

SGT Erick Holmes — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 19:28:49 -0400

Some say not ever being deployed is not considered a Veteran. My opinion (again this is my opinion) getting through your first contract overseas, domestic or deployment would be considered a veteran. Not 5 months. Your boots haven't even gone threw a set of shoe laces yet.

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Jul 31 at 2021 10:38 AM

PFC Martin Potashner — Sat, 31 Jul 2021 10:38:00 -0400

No not a veteran

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Aug 9 at 2021 7:40 AM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 07:40:33 -0400

My understanding is 180 days of consecutive duty renders you a veteran. I’m not sure of reservists. Maybe some one else can render their two cents on this.

Response by PO3 William Parravano made Aug 9 at 2021 9:50 AM

PO3 William Parravano — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 09:50:34 -0400

You are to at the least to even get VA benefits or be consider a vet is 10 months and 1 day. That person wants the recognition of being a vet and didn't even spend any time in.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Aug 9 at 2021 12:51 PM

LTC John Wilson — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 12:51:44 -0400

I believe the Regs say you are not a bonified veteran until you have served 180 days. this may have changed, I don't know, but was his discharge honorable? If so, respect the fact that he served and got out honorable.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Aug 9 at 2021 1:47 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 13:47:44 -0400

Consider this hypothetical situation. It's WWII or Vietnam, so people are drafted whether they want to be a soldier or not, unless their daddy is rich enough, of course. A lot don't want to be there for many reasons.

The first day of basic, the troops go to a range. I know they wouldn't on the first day, just maxing out the extremes to make a point, and they could. One gets shot in the head. He's 18 and was drafted.

Would it be right for his government to deny him benefits because he didn't get shot by the enemy? He was killed following his governments orders and it would be just revolt-worthy of government to do the above to a person and not consider them worthy of veteran's benefits.

I don't know the legal technical, but what is right is that if they get injured doing what the government tells them, they are a vet in my estimation, whereas if they just quit for other reasons during basic/AIT/training/not AD then they are not.

But then assholes are going to take advantage. You know what? I don't have to make the hard decisions any more, and I'm glad of it. My hardest decision is whether to work in the yard, watch tv, or go fishing, and how drunk I want to be doing it.

Broken nose someone mentioned seems a tad light to be quitting over if that was real.

Response by SSG Byron Hewett made Aug 9 at 2021 2:52 PM

SSG Byron Hewett — Mon, 09 Aug 2021 14:52:49 -0400

do they have a DD214 Yes or No that will tell you.

Response by SFC Michael Wilkins made Aug 16 at 2021 10:00 AM

SFC Michael Wilkins — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 10:00:04 -0400

Must served 181 days to be a veteran. Ask to see the DD-214. It will have it on there at least mine did. I served 20 years. Maybe they just think they are a vet. I was a recruiter and I ran into one that thought they were a vet bu I set them straight.

Response by PO2 David Witt made Aug 16 at 2021 1:49 PM

PO2 David Witt — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:49:39 -0400

no matter why she got out it is still a no. But I do give the credit for trying. Then there are those that made a deal in the 70's, that if they sever 90 days and then don't like it ,they get an honorable discharge with full benefits. I knew one .I thought it was bullshit.

Response by CPO Leonard Orth made Aug 16 at 2021 2:11 PM

CPO Leonard Orth — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:11:00 -0400

I always understood that if you served even a single day, that technically, you were a Veteran. And that you are eligible for any official benefits that Veterans get depending on other things.
Say you go to bootcamp and die literallyon the first day, you have a heart attack or suffer some other deadly accident. Your family would collect that puny life insurance that we all had while serving. I'm pretty sure you could have your body buried in one of those massive Veterans graveyards.
I can't imagine going around bragging about a few months of service as if it meant something though...

Response by Sgt Ted Mulvehill made Aug 16 at 2021 4:55 PM

Sgt Ted Mulvehill — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 16:55:53 -0400

Veterans' status, 180 days of active duty. 90 days during time of war. AIT or any school is not active duty. It is training (ACDUTRA), and does not count.

Response by CPT William Jones made Aug 16 at 2021 5:58 PM

CPT William Jones — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 17:58:46 -0400

This person sighne and took the oath,and served time. That makes a veteran. The question post give no reasons for not completing their first school nor what type of discharge on the DD214. AS it is possible to be injured so bad one could qualify for VA benifites

Response by SGT Dale Myres made Aug 16 at 2021 8:14 PM

SGT Dale Myres — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 20:14:08 -0400

No I would not! I saw the same thing when I went through basic and AIT. The ones the Army got rid of needed to go!

Response by PO2 R Greg Schmidt made Aug 16 at 2021 8:23 PM

PO2 R Greg Schmidt — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 20:23:28 -0400

No. The Department of Veterans Affairs defines a veteran as having completed 180 days of good service (brig time doesn't count. There are exceptions to this though. That would be some accident or traumatic event that was caused by your military service. A twisted ankle or bedwetting wouldn't qualify.

Response by Sgt Kerry Thurlow made Aug 17 at 2021 1:51 AM

Sgt Kerry Thurlow — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 01:51:21 -0400

There isn't enough information given to answer the question definitively.

Was the person injured severely in AIT?
Was the person diagnosed with a previously unknown medical or mental health issue?
Was the person diagnosed with cancer?
Is the person an only child and his/her parent became a widow(er) and needed help?
Was the person guilty of a criminal offense?

Dunno, there's not a single fact given..

Based soley on number of days served, approximately 150 the person doesn't meet the definition...unless there are extenuating circumstances.

Response by CPT Kurt Woods made Aug 17 at 2021 10:17 AM

CPT Kurt Woods — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:17:15 -0400

She's not a Veteran. She's a Wanna Be. It's disgraceful to think she can compare herself to a selfless serving veteran. Shame on her!

Response by Cpl Jo Krasch made Aug 17 at 2021 12:39 PM

Cpl Jo Krasch — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 12:39:27 -0400

I do believe the USMJ stated one has to serve 180 days active duty to even be considered a Veteran unless injured in Combat

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Aug 17 at 2021 2:04 PM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:04:07 -0400

Give him your condolences

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Aug 17 at 2021 10:27 PM

LCDR Jerry Maurer — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 22:27:54 -0400

Flat out, general discharge of higher, they're a vet. They volunteered to give their life during time of war and we're released from that obligation without prejudice. They are a vet. I'm a vet of two wars so I know the cost. They are a vet.

Response by CPT Tommy Curtis made Aug 18 at 2021 2:36 AM

CPT Tommy Curtis — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 02:36:09 -0400

Response by LTC Anthony Monroe made Aug 18 at 2021 6:26 AM

LTC Anthony Monroe — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 06:26:09 -0400

Consider on what type of discharge they got. Even a NG or a Reservist serving active for 6 mo is not a veteran. The coworker may have been injured in a training exercise and have a med. discharge and I'm not talking of a sprained ankle.

Response by SFC Carlos Cherry made Aug 18 at 2021 10:48 AM

SFC Carlos Cherry — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:48:19 -0400

Response by LTC David Howard made Aug 18 at 2021 11:33 AM

LTC David Howard — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 11:33:58 -0400

No, but my opinion and your opinion will not stop someone intent on passing themselves off as a veteran. Time alone does not determine whether one is a veteran. Some who barely finished basic and AIT and then were wounded almost the moment they arrived in Vietnam may not have served for long but certainly deserve the respect afforded all veterans. Not even finishing AIT does not reach that bar.

Response by SGT James Skelton made Aug 18 at 2021 1:42 PM

SGT James Skelton — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:42:09 -0400

No I would not consider them a veteran, they never completed their training to graduate a soldier. Its like saying you went to college to be a nurse but only finished a year. Would you consider them a qualified nurse? Just my personal thoughts.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2021 5:44 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 17:44:10 -0400

That’s kind of like Reed Hastings, Chairman of Netflix, who has(had) a, “stint in the Marine Corps” on his resume. His stint consisted of washing out of OCS the first month. Or Dan Rather who washed out of boot camp twice, referring to himself on air on numerous occasions as, “this Marine”. Or my immediate superior in the 1st Cav who wore my Air Medals and Army Aviation Badge for 12 years, because he was in charge of awards and decorations. If it makes them less insignificant, so be it. They’re oblivious to self awareness, living a lie.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2021 9:54 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 21:54:28 -0400

This is what I found from the veterans affairs page. Though this person is technically a veteran, it’s insulting for someone who was only in for 5 months to call themselves a veteran. Bet this person also is the first person to run around on Veterans Day asking for free stuff.

38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides:
The term "veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2021 11:54 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 23:54:14 -0400

No way.

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made Aug 19 at 2021 8:39 AM

SFC Kurt Brunken — Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:39:08 -0400

Given what some people are calling themselves without any proof or science this is pretty low on my list.

Response by SGT Bobby Ewing made Aug 19 at 2021 8:45 AM

SGT Bobby Ewing — Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:45:40 -0400

I know there is certain amount of time that has to be served in an actual unit before you are considered as Active, (30-60 days?) but it is after your Boot and AIT. Legally, therefore she is not a Veteran, just an injured Government employee. Tell her to cut that stuff out before a real Vet kicks her weak little butt!

Response by SGT Scott Brandt made Aug 19 at 2021 6:52 PM

SGT Scott Brandt — Thu, 19 Aug 2021 18:52:12 -0400

Nope. Not a vet.

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made Aug 23 at 2021 2:11 PM

SPC Robin Price-Dirks — Mon, 23 Aug 2021 14:11:54 -0400

I served 6 1/2 years in the ARMY during the cold war, served in 3 different units, in FRG, and 2 in the states. I get dissed all the time being told "You weren't a REAL soldier, you served in peace time". It hurts. I was told that I can't be in the VFW, and when I tried to join the American Legion they put me down as spouse only because my husband was a MARINE reservist and we signed up at the same time. BTW I served from 1978 to 1984, I know we had conflicts during my service but I was told that if I didn't serve in Korea I didn't count.

Response by James Miller made Aug 29 at 2021 7:06 PM

James Miller — Sun, 29 Aug 2021 19:06:30 -0400

I worked at a VA Hospital and we received a patient that had a nervous breakdown and couldn't finish boot camp at the Great Lakes training center. He was sent to the base hospital because he cried when the DI yelled at him. They rotated him back and again he ended up in the hospital. The navy sent him to the closest VA Facility near his home of record and because it took so long to discharge him from the service he qualified as 100% Service Connected Disabled.

Response by SGT Larry Braswell made Sep 1 at 2021 9:48 AM

SGT Larry Braswell — Wed, 01 Sep 2021 09:48:01 -0400

By the definition I used to know, it doesn't even qualify one as having been a soldier... Still recruit/candidate status until fully trained in their MOS.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2021 3:17 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Sep 2021 03:17:41 -0400

In CURRENT technical terms, YES, legally this person is a veteran if they received a discharge that was anything other than dishonorable.

As defined in Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations: You are considered a veteran if you are a person who has actively served in any service branch of the armed forces for a certain period of time, and was discharged for reasons other than dishonorable.

The first day this person reported for boot camp they were on active duty.

Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. ... They would be considered a veteran no matter how long they served. (Mar. 2013)

Now, what everyone’s personal opinion is of that is probably strongly voiced in the over 1.9k comments already in place as of SEP2021 when I’m seeing this question.

On a personal note, as a female combat veteran (OEFX), who helped to co-found a military/veteran female non-profit organization in 2014 in Hawaii - l have two additional comments:
1) Are you asking so that you can help build up and support this person for raising their hand and taking an oath to be willing to give everything, up to and including their own life, to serve (regardless if they were able to or called upon to do so)?

2) MANY females that were not able to continue within the military at some point and time (including basic and AIT Training) was a direct result of Military Sexual Trauma or discrimination - and they damn sure aren’t going to advertise that or share it with someone questioning their intent or integrity.

SO, for everyone that had an immediate ‘no’, ‘hell no’, or other negative comment - PLEASE take a deep breath and remember we all had to have the courage to take the same oath, not all paths are the same, and we have not walked that 5-months in this person’s shoes.

With all due respect. ✌️

Response by PV2 Kenbvioces B made Sep 12 at 2021 5:39 PM

PV2 Kenbvioces B — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 17:39:19 -0400

Sad but they are right a veteran someone in over 189 days

Response by SGT John Lawrence made Sep 12 at 2021 6:38 PM

SGT John Lawrence — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 18:38:12 -0400

If any of you recall several years ago they had several veterans before Congress and it was over getting disable veteran's status on being at the head of the line to get government contracts. This one guy was being asked questions and the Congress lady, can't think of her name, she has lost both legs when her helicopter crashed in Iraqi was asking him what percentage he was and he said he was at 30%, and she asked him how he was injured and he was playing football at one of these prep schools and twisted his ankle, he stated that it was causing him a lot of pain, and she asked "you mean to tell me that you have not spent one day on active duty?', and he said he had not and she went off on him how dare you take money and service connection disability and never even went to basic training. He didn't say much but it was verified that he qualified for benefits by the VA. Now doesn't that really frost your butt for that but it is true I watched it on tv the day it happened. To me he did not qualify for nothing but he knew how to work the system and had the right people helping him.

Response by LTC Carlene Salazar made Sep 12 at 2021 7:16 PM

LTC Carlene Salazar — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:16:30 -0400

If I remember correctly, the regs say you need to be on for 180 days (6 months) for VA status and benefits. The exception is medical discharge, although there might be some others I don't know about, but must be with an Honorable Discharge.

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Sep 12 at 2021 7:19 PM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:19:19 -0400

Nope, she is not a veteran.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2021 7:26 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 19:26:27 -0400

In my opinion to be considered a veteran you will have had to been assigned to a functioning unit outside of the training environment. Your co-worker for whatever reason never made it out of training.

Response by PO1 Caleb Stewart made Sep 12 at 2021 9:49 PM

PO1 Caleb Stewart — Sun, 12 Sep 2021 21:49:41 -0400

I think it depends on the reasoning on why he was discharged. If he was hurt in AIT and had a career ending injury then yes i think he should be entitled to be called a vet... However if he was a "failure to adapt" or some garbage like that then no.. hell no.

Response by SP5 Joe Hiddenname made Sep 13 at 2021 6:47 AM

SP5 Joe Hiddenname — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 06:47:55 -0400

NO! A mysical fisfit isn't a veteran.

Response by SP5 Joe Hiddenname made Sep 13 at 2021 6:52 AM

SP5 Joe Hiddenname — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 06:52:01 -0400

A veteran should be a classification of somebody that served their country, NOT somebody that failed their training. Somebody that fails the police academy isn't a cop....right?

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Sep 13 at 2021 9:59 AM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 09:59:51 -0400

Not even

Response by SFC Josh Apel made Sep 13 at 2021 11:35 AM

SFC Josh Apel — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 11:35:06 -0400

Not a Veteran. The VA Healthcare System is already bogged down with Veterans from multiple campaigns, who need serious medical/mental care. So, by this person going in and taking up space and trying to take advantage of the system, makes it more difficult for REAL Veterans to get the care they need. And this guy can now walk into any place offering discounts and specials for Veterans and use it to his full advantage. I would very much like to meet your coworker and maybe explain in a way he will understand.

Response by TSgt David Olson made Sep 13 at 2021 12:01 PM

TSgt David Olson — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:01:21 -0400

For AD, Guard, or Reserve, you must complete a minimum of 180 continuous day of active duty. Anything less does not entitle you to any military benefits. The VA could be something different. Is the individual a veteran, no.

Response by SPC Adam Tyson made Sep 13 at 2021 2:00 PM

SPC Adam Tyson — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 14:00:21 -0400

Interesting question. I did 6 years in the Guard, never activated, just ADT, and thus I do not qualify as a Veteran and would never describe myself as such. "Prior Service," yes, but I didn't earn the title of "Veteran," morally or technically. The question is, is Basic considered "active duty," or is it just ADT? Clearly (to me, anyway, on a moral level) this person shouldn't hold themselves out to the public as a Veteran, even if they are entitled to certain benefits with the VA, but do they fit the technical definition? I don't know. But maybe the best answer is "who cares?" If they aren't hurting anyone by claiming that title, perhaps the best response is to just let it slide off your back.

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Sep 13 at 2021 4:27 PM

Cpl Brian Ruby — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 16:27:08 -0400

Hahahahaha! No!

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made Sep 13 at 2021 5:58 PM

Capt Wayne Burden — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 17:58:21 -0400

Yes, by Federal law this person IS technically a veteran (https://americanwarlibrary.com/whatvet.htm), regardless of how some may feel about it. However… since their service time is so short they may not be eligible for any VA benefits. They would need to take their DD-214 to a VA Service Officer for counseling to find out.

whatvet.htm)

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Response by SSgt Dr. Michael Hanifen made Sep 13 at 2021 6:04 PM

SSgt Dr. Michael Hanifen — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 18:04:39 -0400

If you didn’t finish basic you are not a veteran!!!

Response by PO1 Michael Brouty made Sep 13 at 2021 8:38 PM

PO1 Michael Brouty — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:38:10 -0400

No ! I spent 8 months in Iraq that doesn't make me Iraqi.

Response by PO1 Richard Sloniker made Sep 13 at 2021 9:53 PM

PO1 Richard Sloniker — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:53:17 -0400

Nope we had a AF drop out get command of our American Legion post.
Post folded because of it.

Response by SPC Jeff Stassin made Sep 14 at 2021 12:05 AM

SPC Jeff Stassin — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 00:05:59 -0400

You know, I did two and a half years in Germany, plus the six months basic and AIT; and I was considered an Honorably discharged End of Term Soldier from 95-98, three years and I was out. Seven and a half years later trying to be a civilian I got my Letter for my eighth year coming up. I was bored with my two other jobs and picked up a part time third with the Texas Army National Guard. I went active for: hurricanes, flooding, ice in which I was still just a soldier.
Then my unit was activated for Iraq for a year, THEN, and ONLY Then; is when I considered myself a Veteran. Maybe I'm wrong, but in the REAL MANS army and not this sissy boo hoo crap we have now, and I will apologize to the Veterans and the soldiers, that didn't cry and wine, but struggled and overcame and accomplished, my hats off to you all, they really need to go back to calling what it is, and not creating all these lame name invisible what ever they means'.
I'm sure they are just covering medical on the job, like companies should, and I know someone who rolled a HMMV doing something stupid in AIT, and they get a hundred percent, and It pisses me off to know end, on my deployment and time in doesn't even cross half that yet........ but those others, all those: Private Pyles, Fall outs, heat strokers, and sick call rangers.....yeeeaaa........NO!!! :)
Anybody that has been: Smoked, Sugar Cookied, Sweat boxed, mass group Makin it Rain indoors, pig penned, water guppied, entrenched, snowman-ed, Survived just to do another the next day, week, month, and years, It Ain't training if it isn't raining, AND YOU ALL SURVIVED, I SALUTE YOU.

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Sep 14 at 2021 4:53 AM

MSG Clyde Mills — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 04:53:06 -0400

Sorry but unless you do at least 6 months of uninterrupted Service you don't Qualify as a Veteran and this guy should be told.

Response by MSG Bob S made Sep 14 at 2021 8:10 AM

MSG Bob S — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:10:25 -0400

Technically… I don’t know and won’t pretend to know. Personally I’m would say absolutely not. Though I do have ask why this individual left the service so soon? Catastrophic injury? Overplayed a broken bone? Missed Mommy?

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Sep 14 at 2021 11:26 AM

SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 11:26:59 -0400

Let me sum that all the appropriate responses into one word, "BULLSHIT!"

Response by MSG Christopher DuBois made Sep 14 at 2021 10:46 PM

MSG Christopher DuBois — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 22:46:40 -0400

No. Full stop.

Response by SP5 Gene Hutchins made Sep 14 at 2021 11:23 PM

SP5 Gene Hutchins — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 23:23:59 -0400

Veteran status requires serving 181 days of good time. Good time is you are not UA, AWOL Etc.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Sep 15 at 2021 1:00 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:00:36 -0400

This really depends on what happened.

As has been stated if someone was injured, and that injury, in and of itself, was not bad enough for a med board, but this person whined and bitched till he got med boarded, and then used that as an excuse for a VA check. Well that is shit thing to do.

Shin splints, and other injuries can be healed and dealt with.

But if the guy fell off a rappelling tower and messed up his back, or if he was in a roll over in a deuce and a half, or a humvee, etc then yeah, he signed that check and it got cashed.

If he was a discipline problem then no.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Sep 15 at 2021 2:02 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:02:43 -0400

If anyone tell me the he or she is a veteran with this amount of timeframe yeah..

I will definitely inform this person to please stop claiming something they should have never claim or think

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2021 2:21 PM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:21:56 -0400

There was a time when "Veteran" meant one served in an active theater of conflict. I think that's softened up a bit and a "veteran" is anyone who served. Could be, if they were injured in a line of duty accident and had a permanent service connected disability, the VA would be obligated to provide medical care. I visited a Veteran on a consult at the VA who had a permanent mental health diagnosis and was 100% disabled and in the total institutionalized care of the VA...she was diagnosed in Basic. But I think that was a very unusual and unique case.

Response by PV2 Earl Elmore made Sep 15 at 2021 4:14 PM

PV2 Earl Elmore — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:14:40 -0400

What the hell basic did you people go to where you can just "drop out?" I had a guy in my unit who had been trying to fail out for almost a year. They'll just keep cycling you. I guess reality doesn't stop anybody from ranting about how their dick is bigger.

I'd believe OPs co-workers story over most of y'all people claiming to be vets talking about how somebody went to their drill and asked nicely to go home AND GOT IT. "Injured in AIT" is way more believable.

Response by SFC Dean D. made Sep 15 at 2021 4:48 PM

SFC Dean D. — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:48:32 -0400

Failure to complete IET and AIT should not allow one to be considered a veteran. Legally, as others have said, 180 days on active duty makes you a veteran. Things vary for the NG. As a retired Army National Guardsman, I served 28 years and am only a veteran in title. If my time was condensed, in all status (Title 32, 10, etc) I served 3.4 years - far more than 180 days...but I'm not legally a veteran.

Response by Sgt David Johns made Sep 15 at 2021 8:57 PM

Sgt David Johns — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:57:24 -0400

nope. that's all there is to say about that. 6 months = veteran status

Response by SPC Marie Brown made Sep 16 at 2021 7:29 AM

SPC Marie Brown — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:29:10 -0400

I think it takes more than an “ankle sprain” to get a discharge. Maybe they’re not comfortable sharing the full reasons? I get judged because I’m a peacetime veteran. I personally knew 3 people killed on duty during my time. Does that make their sacrifice or my service less?

Response by MAJ Aubin Jack made Sep 16 at 2021 7:34 AM

MAJ Aubin Jack — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:34:52 -0400

Absolutely not! That person wasn't MOSQ and didn't complete his time in service.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2021 9:24 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:24:10 -0400

I did 6 years in the reserves but have no active duty other than training. I’m not even considered a veteran.

Response by SSG Richard Rushing made Sep 16 at 2021 1:55 PM

SSG Richard Rushing — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 13:55:50 -0400

Finishing AIT is in itself a graduating event that gives you a MILITARY Occupational Skill. Having not graduated AIT with an Honorable Discharge, your co-worker is NOT a veteran. They washed out without ever having been qualified/graduated for a military occupation. Thus they were a candidate only.

Response by SPC Alan Elsbernd made Sep 16 at 2021 4:07 PM

SPC Alan Elsbernd — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:07:49 -0400

Simple answer:NO! This person is not a Veteran if they have never served.

Response by SPC Alan Elsbernd made Sep 16 at 2021 4:20 PM

SPC Alan Elsbernd — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:20:30 -0400

Simple answer: NO! Not a veteran if you never served anywhere. Basic training is not a duty station.

Response by PVT Kevin Simpson made Sep 16 at 2021 4:38 PM

PVT Kevin Simpson — Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:38:23 -0400

I fall into this category. I served 9 months and realized that I wasn't a good fit. While I am legally a veteran (DD-214 says so), I don't ever stand when they call for veterans, I don't claim my veteran discount at places, and I sure don't brag about it. I definitely learned a lot about myself and the military during my time in, and I am a huge military fan, but I do consider it a slap in the face to all those who came before me to wear my veteran status as a badge when I didn't earn it.

Response by PVT J Leonard made Sep 17 at 2021 1:45 AM

PVT J Leonard — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 01:45:03 -0400

What most will say is no, this person is not a veteran. The truth has more to do with how the person was discharged at the time of separation. A medical discharge would allow a person that did not advance out of even Basic Training to be eligible to receive veterans rights and services, going back to my time in service, late 1990-95. A person going through Basic the class before me was still pending a medical review board because of the severity of a broken leg injury while going through the sixth week of Basic. Second to that, there was the clause of serving 180 of active duty, at your first posting. The problem here came to light when a special ops candidate going through water training in a pool with cadre died during that cycle. SGLI, because of secondary clauses in policy, did not have to pay out on the "training" death because it was specified as not covered. So they changed the regulations and in some ways fought to change how and what SGLI covered and when to incorporate secondary advanced training. Did the make the best changes, possibly not based on opinions put forward, the changes still needed to be made, in what was the most acceptable manner at that time.

Response by SCPO Huey Dennis made Sep 17 at 2021 4:36 PM

SCPO Huey Dennis — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 16:36:26 -0400

You have to serve 181 days or serve at least 24 hour's in combat to be a Veteran.

Response by SFC Harry Jacobs made Sep 18 at 2021 1:02 PM

SFC Harry Jacobs — Sat, 18 Sep 2021 13:02:56 -0400

It is very difficult to judge from what I have read. I feel that the situation that was the cause of her discharge and her DD214 dictates as to weather she is classified as a veteran amoung her peers.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2021 11:30 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Sep 2021 23:30:31 -0400

It really depends on whether it was an optional separation or not. There are people that get veteran status and a medical separation in Boot Camp and then there are people who are given a voluntary separation if you voluntarily separate I would not consider you a veteran however if you have a medical separation and a medical rating you would be a veteran

Response by Capt John Schmitt made Sep 19 at 2021 3:32 PM

Capt John Schmitt — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 15:32:28 -0400

Depends on in what capacity and for what effect "veteran" status is to be determined. MOST organizations and government entities have minimal standards: 9 months AFTER basic training is a major milestone of service from earning Veteran Status.
Graduating Basic Training is the essential criteria for the DOD for all services; along with a positive discharge status.
An other than honorable or lessor discharge status, removes any and all veteran status, along with indicating a discharge based on a felony finding/conviction.

Response by Maj Michael Leon made Sep 19 at 2021 10:21 PM

Maj Michael Leon — Sun, 19 Sep 2021 22:21:10 -0400

To be considered a veteran, the only requirement is to be honorably discharged.
Having said that, I'm curious why your coworker would identify as a veteran not having completed AIT. Are they looking for accolades or something else?

Response by PO2 Ma Her made Sep 20 at 2021 7:29 PM

PO2 Ma Her — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 19:29:32 -0400

And you care because…
If the VA says they are, then they are. You be quiet and move on with your day.

Response by SSG Larry Dale McCloud made Sep 21 at 2021 9:03 AM

SSG Larry Dale McCloud — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 09:03:29 -0400

No a person that didn't finish AIT is not a veteran. They quit and didn't finish

Response by SFC Anthony Johnson made Oct 18 at 2021 1:03 AM

SFC Anthony Johnson — Mon, 18 Oct 2021 01:03:35 -0400

Superficially, at least they made the effort, which shows some character. Could be a good reason for a washout so early, injuries or medical conditions.
If it makes him/her feel better about the experience, let them have that little bit.
I served with may people I'd rather could not say they were veterans. I suspect you do too.

Response by SSgt Nathan Adams made Oct 28 at 2021 10:50 AM

SSgt Nathan Adams — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 10:50:12 -0400

I have a coworker that never finished boot camp and states he is a veteran. He currently gets seen at the VA and is in the process of trying to get disability. #stolenvalor. It really grinds my gears

Response by Cpl Angel Negron made Oct 28 at 2021 10:56 AM

Cpl Angel Negron — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 10:56:29 -0400

nope, after you do all your time and get your honorable discharge after 6 years, thats a real veteran. oorah

Response by SFC John Ruffin made Oct 28 at 2021 2:39 PM

SFC John Ruffin — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 14:39:28 -0400

Hell no....

Response by PFC Ken Mason made Oct 28 at 2021 4:09 PM

PFC Ken Mason — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:09:55 -0400

For someone to be a "veteran" - their drill instructors in Basic and AIT need to have first crafted a soldier out of the bag of meat - and graduated them and stopped calling them a maggot and started calling them "soldier". ONE day, spent a soldier makes a veteran. Even if that day is spent picking one's nose.

Response by PO1 Matt Yonker made Oct 28 at 2021 4:29 PM

PO1 Matt Yonker — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:29:55 -0400

I knew a woman who called herself a veteran because both her father and ex-husband had served in the military..

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Oct 28 at 2021 6:52 PM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 18:52:01 -0400

Whoever the person is played the system.

Response by Cpl Rhonda Whitney made Oct 28 at 2021 7:44 PM

Cpl Rhonda Whitney — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 19:44:28 -0400

I have a coworker who was so severely injured in “boot camp”….she had to learn to walk again. She has a medical separation from service and was fully rehabilitated through the VA. Whenever invite or encourage her to join myself and other veterans for events she always says, “ I’m not a real veteran…..at least I don’t think I am.” Look I get it but not every case is the same and should be weighed individually. This young woman really wanted to serve her country; but a horrible repelling accident denied her. Imagine her reading some of your comments. I hate stolen valor…..by some valor is earned in Non-traditional means. Let’s leave room for those among us veterans.

Response by PO1 Michael Gensburger made Oct 28 at 2021 8:50 PM

PO1 Michael Gensburger — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 20:50:07 -0400

no she is not a veteran.

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Oct 29 at 2021 9:13 AM

CPL Raul Perez Jr — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:13:44 -0400

Not a Veteran.

Response by TSgt John Brody made Oct 29 at 2021 1:23 PM

TSgt John Brody — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:23:03 -0400

Nope. Not a veteran. Didn't finish his contract. Pretty cut and dry.

Response by FN Steve Heglmeier made Oct 29 at 2021 1:44 PM

FN Steve Heglmeier — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:44:46 -0400

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Back in the 70's when I was in they'd sign folks up with an A school guarantee, but then tell them it wasn't a critical rate, so give them a try before sending them to a second A school. One easily could have been seriously injured on a tdy, as it was usually some chipping paint, painting, etc on ladders, no safety gear like they have today, and they weren't letting you out with a sprained ankle. If they have a VA card and VA benefits I'd call them a veteran. It's quite possible they wanted to stay in but were given a medical discharge. It's also possible they were a malcontent and didn't want to stay in, back in the 70's that would have resulted in a general or a dishonorable discharge depending on their behavior. I didn't know anyone who got out on a medical or honorable that I wouldn't consider a veteran. Some of my buddies had planned on retirement at 50 with 30 years, but due to an injury which the Navy said that made them unfit to do their job, and they got discharged. So without all the knowledge I wouldn't be quick to say I know everything about anothers situation.

But I was just a squid; we got good quarters, good food, and fast showers, but at least we could get one daily. So I don't know many grunts who would call me a veteran ;-).

Response by PO2 Skip Kirkwood made Oct 29 at 2021 2:01 PM

PO2 Skip Kirkwood — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:01:54 -0400

I consider somebody a veteran when they have completed an enlistment (don't care how long), or whatever an officer's first term of service is called, OR somebody who gets out or retired as a result of being wounded or something like that. An injury in basic training - not so much. An honorable discharge (or something very close).

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Oct 29 at 2021 2:34 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:34:14 -0400

In his or her mind, they are a Veteran, and I would respect that as well; UNLESS i knew it was a discharge for other than Honorable service.
Technically, and for VA purposes, he/she is not a "Veteran" unless they did at least 180 days of ACTIVE service.
Many employers want to know if a person is or is not a Veteran, especially federal contractors or sub-contractors. For those purposes, he/she should NOT and can NOT ligitimately claim Veteran status.

Response by Sgt Robert Hellyer made Oct 29 at 2021 3:06 PM

Sgt Robert Hellyer — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:06:12 -0400

I would ask to see the DD214. From that you can tell whether they are truly a veteran or just blowing smoke. My grandson went through all but one week of basic and was discharged because of hairline fractures in his legs. He is not a veteran, and doesn't claim to be. Your co-worker's case may be different, but I think that would show up on the DD214.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2021 3:25 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:25:14 -0400

They are a veteran by definition of the VA but to me a veteran is 4 years or more. Just my opinion.

Response by Cpl Evelyn Thomas made Oct 29 at 2021 3:29 PM

Cpl Evelyn Thomas — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:29:58 -0400

The 38 U.S. Code defines the term veteran. In addition, a person that was discharged from the military for medical reasons can be still classified as a veteran, if the person served 6 months are more.

Response by SSG Tomas Montalvo made Oct 29 at 2021 3:38 PM

SSG Tomas Montalvo — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:38:46 -0400

Response by SSG Tomas Montalvo made Oct 29 at 2021 3:39 PM

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Response by SSgt Tina GAllagher made Oct 29 at 2021 3:52 PM

SSgt Tina GAllagher — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:52:57 -0400

It doesn't matter to me that the dod says "90 days" is a veteran. I believe if someone served their WHOLE enlistment period is a Veteran. That person stayed regardless of what was going on in the world, their lives or on base.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2021 4:31 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 16:31:12 -0400

Maybe they went to TrumpU.

Response by SPC Carlton Phelps made Oct 29 at 2021 4:47 PM

SPC Carlton Phelps — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 16:47:34 -0400

I agree with MSG Scotty Ford. It would depend on why they were discharged.

Response by PO3 Vernon Carpenter made Oct 29 at 2021 6:31 PM

PO3 Vernon Carpenter — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:31:41 -0400

If you don't finish the training your not qualified. If you are it is less than honorable under medical disqualification. Would be the same as claiming to be a brain surgeon without completing the first class.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2021 8:37 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 29 Oct 2021 20:37:23 -0400

No they are not a Vet inless you do you time people like that are want-abe There is a reason they did not finish ther training they were not a person who could make in the military

Response by SSG Russell Busicchia made Oct 30 at 2021 12:05 PM

SSG Russell Busicchia — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:05:50 -0400

I see allot of petty comments here. The person in question did 5 months, so should have the National Defense Service Medal. Unless the individual was dishonorably discharged they fall in the legal definition of a veteran. If in doubt ask to see their DD214.
I retired after serving in Operation Just Cause. I was staff at US Special Operations Command South (a sub-unified command). I did not see action as I was assigned to the HQ J2. Does that make me a veteran?
My father retired from the Army National Guard as a First Sergeant after 35 years of service. Part of his time was active, but he was never deployed. Is he still not a veteran?
I enlisted in 1974, that makes me Vietnam Era. I do not call myself a Vietnam Vet as I never went to Nam. I am a Vietnam Era, Cold War, 2 NDSM awarded, vet. While combat arms vets might look down on everyone else let's not belittle their service. We all served and did our part, that is a veteran.

Response by SSG Bill Moore made Oct 30 at 2021 1:09 PM

SSG Bill Moore — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 13:09:12 -0400

Fuck no and fuck that guy

Response by SSG Bill Moore made Oct 30 at 2021 1:11 PM

SSG Bill Moore — Sat, 30 Oct 2021 13:11:16 -0400

Fuck no and fuck that girl for saying so

Response by CPO Charles Helms made Oct 31 at 2021 7:56 AM

CPO Charles Helms — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 07:56:14 -0400

Do I like it no, I don't think they deserve to be called a Veteran! But they did raise their right hand and took the oath of enlistment! He/she did serve 5 months so that does make him a Veteran! I believe and I may be wrong but Veteran status comes after 90 days in uniform! To me that person is just a quitter!

Response by Bob Bennett made Oct 31 at 2021 9:46 AM

Bob Bennett — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:46:37 -0400

I was medically discharged after I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. Am I considered a veteran?

Response by Bob Bennett made Oct 31 at 2021 9:48 AM

Bob Bennett — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 09:48:31 -0400

I was medically discharged when I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. Would you consider me a veteran? I had hoped to make a career out of being in the military

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2021 11:34 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 11:34:20 -0400

What everybody else said

Response by SPC Caroline Avila made Oct 31 at 2021 10:45 PM

SPC Caroline Avila — Sun, 31 Oct 2021 22:45:56 -0400

Absolutely...NOT!!!! If they really want to have that honor to be a veteran, then whatever caused them not to finish AIT, they should have gone back to complete it and served out the time they signed a contract for. or, start all over again, basic training, AIT, and tour of duty, where ever the military was going to send them to. WE, as in, myself included, had to pay our dues to be called a Veteran. I know of a young lady, and I say this with kindness, who still wears her uniform, yet never completed her basic training, and she refuses to listen to me about her dishonorable behavior, you cannot steal this kind of title "VETERAN" if you have not earned it. In a cordial manner, address this individual they have absolutely NO RIGHT to state they are a veteran as they have not completed their time in the military. They MUST complete Basic Training, AIT, and the remaining time of their contract and be discharged on anything other than a dishonorable discharge. They need to serve their time to be a VETERAN. This person has not yet SERVED, they have not even trained (AIT) to serve. Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” If the individual continues to blabber about being a veteran, let others know they are a liar, then perhaps they have some serious issues that need addressing.

Response by Sgt David Scott made Nov 1 at 2021 1:34 PM

Sgt David Scott — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:34:51 -0400

Aaaaa, No. Sad that he wasin't able to complete the training due to an injury that he sustained, but the fact of not completing the training means he is not a Vet. He may qualify for some VA medical benefits due to the injury being sustained while training, but not the title.

Response by Capt Tate Brummitt made Nov 1 at 2021 5:46 PM

Capt Tate Brummitt — Mon, 01 Nov 2021 17:46:47 -0400

Nope! Not a "Veteran." I had a friend who tried to claim this too since she went to camp for ROTC and finished but ended up not getting commission due to a mental health diagnosis. If she pushes on the issue, ask her to produce her DD-214.

Response by Maj Gary Gault made Nov 5 at 2021 12:51 PM

Maj Gary Gault — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 12:51:27 -0400

No, don't think so!

Response by PO2 John Driskill made Nov 18 at 2021 10:39 PM

PO2 John Driskill — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:39:06 -0500

I met several people who received medical discharges from boot camp and are considered veterans by the VA and receive medical care from the VA.

Response by LTC Patrick Turner made Nov 21 at 2021 2:47 PM

LTC Patrick Turner — Sun, 21 Nov 2021 14:47:45 -0500

A blind person knows that to be awarded the status of “veteran”, you must serve 180 consecutive days OR complete 20 years as a Reservist/Guardsman. To claim otherwise is STOLEN VALOR. IF THIS person did derive any economic value for claiming to be a veteran, then theoretically they can be brought up on federal charges.

Response by AB Willie Stephens made Nov 25 at 2021 9:00 PM

AB Willie Stephens — Thu, 25 Nov 2021 21:00:14 -0500

Yes as long as you served 180 days of continuing service including basic training, you are considered honorably discharge. An honorable discharge is the key word!!!!

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Nov 28 at 2021 3:16 PM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Sun, 28 Nov 2021 15:16:10 -0500

I think legally you can say you were officially part of a military branch once you graduate basic.

5 month not finishing AIT, personally I would keep that to myself.

On a side note sprained Ankle. It's not broken, Tape it up and finish the course.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Dec 12 at 2021 7:07 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Sun, 12 Dec 2021 19:07:00 -0500

No.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2021 10:09 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:09:06 -0500

Hello, by definition, a "Veteran" is someone who's served overseas during a conflict or served for 6 years, so either way, doesn't meet the criteria.

Response by PO1 Jeannine Hiatt made Dec 13 at 2021 11:54 AM

PO1 Jeannine Hiatt — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:54:21 -0500

Why would a sprained ankle cause you to leave training I can’t even remember how many sprains I had over the years sounds like Pansy excuse to me.

Response by James Miller made Dec 13 at 2021 12:09 PM

James Miller — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:09:21 -0500

I worked at a VA hospital 40 years ago and we had a patient who was in the navy and never finished basic training at Great Lakes. He cried because the DIyelled at him and was sent to the base hospital. He rotated back to basic and the same thing happened. He was supposed to be discharged from the Navy and sent to the closest VA hospital to his home pending discharge. Because it took so long to get his discharge papers processed he lasted long enough to qualify and the local DAV Man was able to process his claim and he was granted 100%service connected disability. He never made it out of basic and at the time he started receiving $809.00 a month.

Response by SPC Jennifer Clever made Dec 13 at 2021 2:19 PM

SPC Jennifer Clever — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:19:03 -0500

It's possible. They may have been badly hurt. Based on the info provided I would say yes until proven otherwise.

Response by Sgt Kathy Saldana made Dec 13 at 2021 3:02 PM

Sgt Kathy Saldana — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:02:49 -0500

I would not focus on such a small percentage of vets. They tried, that’s more than many. Thank them for their effort and move on, thank you for you service, I appreciate you!

Response by SSG Jonathan Ware made Dec 13 at 2021 3:32 PM

SSG Jonathan Ware — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:32:57 -0500

Not if she quit.

Response by PO3 Carla Snook made Dec 13 at 2021 5:25 PM

PO3 Carla Snook — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 17:25:04 -0500

180 DAYS of ACTIVE DUTY - must- be completed !!!!!! QUITTER

Response by SFC Antonio Baird made Dec 13 at 2021 10:31 PM

SFC Antonio Baird — Mon, 13 Dec 2021 22:31:45 -0500

Absolutely NOT. He should be commended for enlisting, and may even be receiving some disability payments for injuries sustained in training. However, I am willing to bet he received an Entry Level Separation with no characterization of discharge.

Response by TSgt David Olson made Dec 14 at 2021 9:41 AM

TSgt David Olson — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 09:41:56 -0500

No.

Response by MAJ Karl Swenson made Dec 14 at 2021 3:49 PM

MAJ Karl Swenson — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:49:57 -0500

I would not say your friend is a veteran. In order to do the job, one must be trained to do the job. Your friend's situation is analogous to putting someone who didn't finish medical school on a brain surgery team

Response by COL John Hudson made Dec 14 at 2021 3:52 PM

COL John Hudson — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:52:47 -0500

From the IG Desk: I want to move away from personal opinion / emotion and speak strictly to current law/regulation on this matter. The U.S. Dept. of Veterans Affairs explains both VA Medical and VA Educational benefits in full, available online. In a nutshell - "Troops now on active duty become eligible (for "Veteran" status) after 90 days of service for as long as they remain on active duty. Reserve and National Guard members become eligible after six creditable years in service." Note the word "Eligible." This 'service" requires one must have an "Honorable Discharge" if they leave active service once this time has been reached. Any local Inspector General can provide current regulatory guidance on this matter. Military duty/training is NOT "easy" - it's established to produce an individual qualified to perform satisfactorily within the service branch they inhabit and duties they are required to perform. Not every individual who pursues these goals is successful but our goal is to support such effort if certain milestones are achieved - hence the 90 day/Six Year scenario. Example - during one deployment, I served two active duty tours in Vietnam. I am therefore accorded the title, "Vietnam Veteran" with full VA benefits upon retirement. My brother served 26 years in the Navy aboard submarines (during the Vietnam conflict and beyond) but never set foot in Vietnam or did battle there. He is accorded the title, "Vietnam ERA Veteran" with full VA benefits when he retired. In practice, the Veterans Administration accepts both as simply "Veterans" and treats them in equal measure. Be respectful of any individual who volunteers to serve in any branch of our military regardless of duty - they "stepped up" when others would not and deserve more than disparagement over circumstances beyond their control that have a negative impact on their career goals.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Dec 14 at 2021 4:17 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:17:05 -0500

It is or should be an entry level separation, not negative, not positive, and is usually not tied to any possible benefit. He would have to present that all mighty DD214 if he is a veteran.

Response by PO3 Carla Snook made Dec 14 at 2021 5:49 PM

PO3 Carla Snook — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 17:49:58 -0500

180 DAYS of ACTIVE DUTY - must- be completed !!!!!! QUITTER

Response by SGT Matthew Brodycz made Dec 14 at 2021 10:52 PM

SGT Matthew Brodycz — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:52:38 -0500

Unless you are awarded an MOS, you are not considered to be fully enlisted in the Army. This is one of the key reasons why careerists or re-class soldiers are prohibited from living in the same housing as Initial Entry Soldiers. You have to hold at least 1 Military Occupational Skill (MOS) to be considered in the Army. This is also one of the requirements for being a Veteran. That may have changed since 2016, but somehow I suspect it hasn't.

Response by MCPO Hilary Kunz made Dec 15 at 2021 11:03 AM

MCPO Hilary Kunz — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:03:22 -0500

In the 70’s, it was 180 days after you set foot on grinder. That seemed pretty cut and dried, but it didn’t take into account things like happened to my cousin in boot camp, trapped in a stairwell and raped (after I highly recommended the Navy to her, so she joined, I feel awful about that). Details haven’t been released to extended family, Idk if she’s getting benefits yet, but it screwed her up badly, and the VA should be on it.

Response by 1SG Brian Holt made Dec 15 at 2021 1:46 PM

1SG Brian Holt — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:46:15 -0500

The government does not recognize those with an ELS as veterans because this occurs before the 180 days of duty are complete. However, the VA may qualify those with an ELS for some benefits.

Response by PO3 Moira Croley made Dec 15 at 2021 1:58 PM

PO3 Moira Croley — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:58:22 -0500

She can still be a veteran depending on the severity of her injury even in ait or basic training

Response by SPC Samuel Folks made Dec 15 at 2021 2:01 PM

SPC Samuel Folks — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 14:01:42 -0500

I thought you have to have 180 days in to be considered a Vet

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2021 3:14 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 15:14:04 -0500

So, my time as a reservist does not make me a veteran? I completed boot camp. Went to school of infantry. Spent 6 years of weekend drills once a month, 2 weeks each year. I do not have 180 days of consecutive service. Never been in a combat zone. I have a national defense ribbon and my good consist ribbon. My dd214 says honorable discharge. So what the hell.

Response by SP5 Richard Herrington made Dec 15 at 2021 4:41 PM

SP5 Richard Herrington — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 16:41:13 -0500

I knew a guy that only spent five days at basic and then discharged... and you would not believe the thousands of dollars in benefits and educational benefits he was able to collect in the coming years. He even wears a Vietnam Veterans hat. I asked him why. He said when he gets stopped by a cop... it helps him get out of getting a ticket. His daughter served less than six months in the Air Force... fell off a plane wing, injured her tail bone.. was discharged and she too collected thousands of dollars in benefits and a high disability rating. Like father, like daughter... both scam artists deadbeats... but you would not believe the money & benefits they both collected for their short time in the military.

Response by CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2021 5:09 PM

CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 17:09:26 -0500

Federal law states that to be a veteran, a service member must have: — 180 days of consecutive active duty (not counting training) — Or one day in a combat zone: served on Active Duty during a period of war or in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge was authorized.

Response by CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2021 5:09 PM

CH (COL) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 17:09:57 -0500

Response by MSG Robert Weston made Dec 16 at 2021 3:29 AM

MSG Robert Weston — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 03:29:47 -0500

Depending on the discharge they received

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2021 11:59 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:59:45 -0500

Years ago when I was car shopping, I was talking to a young salesperson. I saw a Marine Corp plaque on the wall. When I questioned him bout his service, he explained that he was discharged during "boot". Feeling that this was crap, I lft and never returned to that dealership.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Dec 16 at 2021 12:30 PM

GySgt William Hardy — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:30:20 -0500

All you have to do is graduate from basic training and you have qualified as a veteran. You must serve 6 month (180 days) to qualify for things like veterans' medical care. Someone who serves in a reserve status only with less than 180 days active duty may collect retirement pay but not medical services. Many National Guard members fall into this category. When I went in, basic training and infantry training were separate. If AIT is separate from basic training, then the person was a veteran. I had a couple of my fellow boot camp trainees die in Vietnam with only 5 months in service.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2021 4:33 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:33:31 -0500

Doesn't matter what I think... that said, when someone says they are a 'veteran', the general public assumes that person either went to war, or served in the active military (outside of a few months of training). Claiming to be 'a Veteran', when the reality is she never left AIT, is probably done with the intent to mislead someone, and claim some respect that she didn't earn.

My grandfather served in the Navy in WWII, and commissioned. He was stationed on a ship in San Francisco, then the war ended. He then served for years in the Naval Reserve. He did not claim to be a Veteran, because he 'didn't want to be confused with the boys out there in the Pacific.' There's your answer.

Response by SSG David Gallagher made Dec 16 at 2021 4:41 PM

SSG David Gallagher — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:41:13 -0500

You have to serve at least 180 days (consecutive) to even claim veteran status. Any person who just jumps in and does less is as much a veteran as a house plant. And anyone claiming to be a veteran with less, is the equivalent of a house plant.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2021 4:53 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:53:35 -0500

A lot of commenters missing the point of the question - yes, the VA has minimum time to be qualified by the VA. The VFW has its own definition. OP is asking what the 'we the public' consider to be a Veteran, which depends who you ask! But it certainly seems 'coworker' is being deceptive making that claim...

Response by PO3 Barney Baty made Dec 16 at 2021 5:14 PM

PO3 Barney Baty — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 17:14:23 -0500

I served for almost 4 years in the U.S.Navy and left after that enlistment, so I must be a quitter also

Response by SSgt Michele Owings made Dec 16 at 2021 11:44 PM

SSgt Michele Owings — Thu, 16 Dec 2021 23:44:51 -0500

She fits the definition of a veteran. She is considered a veteran by the government. Some schools would not only have been over but she would have been working a month or two in her field. My basic was 6 weeks, training was 3 months. Others in my dorm had training for just over a month.
The definition of a veteran isn't going to be changed because of what other people went through. None of us on here will ever serve as much as the ones who died. There will always be someone who's sacrifice was more than yours. That doesn't make us any less veterans. I served almost 5 years, and someone tried to tell me I wasn't a veteran because I was never in "action". Her son was but he was aux medical personnel. (Social worker I think?) But a guy landed his plane down for him so he could get war status. She was wrong. What makes the dividing line between the one person who gets to be considered a veteran and the one who doesn't? Five extra minutes in? Someone who completed a month school who worked a week? Verses someone who went through a year of school and got injured before they were able to finish? Someone who retired but was never drafted and had an very easy tour of service? Verses the person who was injured in war after being in for two months with one day in active tour of war? Everyone has a story.

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Dec 17 at 2021 12:43 AM

Sgt Neil Foster — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 00:43:00 -0500

I had a neighbor like that.. he claimed to be a Marine, talked bout going to Lebanon, etc... turns out he was given a BAD CONDUCT DISCHARGE less than 6 months after enlisting... The ONLY think he was truthful about was graduating from recruit training

Response by BG David Fleming III made Dec 17 at 2021 11:34 AM

BG David Fleming III — Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:34:58 -0500

They ran, but certainly not a veteran!

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Dec 19 at 2021 4:40 AM

SSG Richard Brue — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 04:40:24 -0500

They are not a veteran. Can't even finish AIT and want to call yourself a veteran. What a joke. Did they ever not complete the police academy and then call themself a police officer? How about not finishing having sex with someone and then decide to call themself a parent. You have to finish Basic training, AIT, and at least 6 months of service.

Response by SSG Deron Santiny made Dec 20 at 2021 6:01 PM

SSG Deron Santiny — Mon, 20 Dec 2021 18:01:43 -0500

NO!!!! They are not considered a Veteran unless they were separated with a permanent Disability. For example, I know a Soldier who was injured as a result of a freak accident in Basic Training at Ft. Benning and is now confined to w wheelchair. Through no fault of his own, he was forced out and Medically Retired. Unless your co-worker has a similar situation I would say NO. I also know a guy who went to Marine Corps Basic Training but did not complete SOI and was discharged from the Marines after 11 mos. He goes around telling people who don't know better that he is a Marine Veteran as well as a Marine Sniper/Recon. He did however get medically retired from the National Guard as a Supply Specialist after he fell in the Supply Room and injured his back. He has told numerous people that he retired from the Marine Corps but his ID claims otherwise. I give him credit for his service and deployment in the National Guard but, I don't think he is considered a Marine Corps Veteran (as do the many Marines that I know) since he was basically kicked out for failing to adapt.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made Dec 30 at 2021 2:22 PM

SGT Thomas Seward — Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:22:32 -0500

No, your co-worker is not a veteran! You have to actually finish training as a minimum. Some of us took it serious and never quit. I broke my neck (C4-C7) the week before boot camp started and finished with my platoon. Five months later I finished AIT with a broken ankle, and actually passed the PT test that way. Ain’t no way in hell I was gonna be able to face my parents, who are both veterans, if I had quit.

Response by SSG Gregory Mueller made Dec 31 at 2021 6:24 PM

SSG Gregory Mueller — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 18:24:04 -0500

No, two years to qualify or combat medical discharge.

Response by PFC Jerry M Burwick made Dec 31 at 2021 6:32 PM

PFC Jerry M Burwick — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 18:32:54 -0500

Yes I do consider him a Veteran. Maybe he got hurt is the reason. I was in the Marine Corps for only a month and ten days and I’m considered a Disabled Veteran cause I got hurt in boot camp. But I very proud of our Veterans that went on after me to serve our great Country. I don’t consider myself a Veteran because I didn’t finish my tour. But according to the VA the first time your feet hit the payment when you got off that bus at boot camp your a Veteran!

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Dec 31 at 2021 7:19 PM

SSG Gregg Mourizen — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 19:19:56 -0500

Legal Definition:
A veteran is a former member of the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard) who served on active duty and was discharged under conditions, which were other than dishonorable. ... Persons who attended military academies are now considered veterans for financial aid purposes.

So yes, techinically and legally.
Socially? Watch out.

When I first joined, my active duty was for training and did not qualify me at the time (I was a reservist). That changed somewhere in the mid 90's.
Key words here:
Discharged
Anything but "Dishonorable"

So he might be a Vet, but unless he was injuried, hardshipped or phsyched out...

Response by SPC Maurice Evans made Dec 31 at 2021 8:03 PM

SPC Maurice Evans — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 20:03:50 -0500

When I go to the VA and i am ask if I served in Vietnam by others there for treatment not DRs or my PA or my nurse let me be clear, and I say no I am shunned and not spoken to again. I didn't choose what I did the pentagon did I did have to volunteer you could not be forced to the jobs I had AM I a veteran? I don't feel like one ???

Response by SPC Maurice Evans made Dec 31 at 2021 8:08 PM

SPC Maurice Evans — Fri, 31 Dec 2021 20:08:18 -0500

I only did this because I saw you could win 100 dollar amazon card I live in MaYFIELD kY the F$ tornado came with in 100 yards of my house the outer edge not the center I have maybe 80K damage I am waiting to see if it twisted my house and it will be condemned as many here have I was told by Ky farm bureau Fema has turned me down for help I was first in line aster this tornado This is my thank you for my service I guess Everyone have a great day Sorry about the rant LOL

Response by SPC John Williams made Jan 1 at 2022 11:57 AM

SPC John Williams — Sat, 01 Jan 2022 11:57:46 -0500

My initial opinion is no I would not look at them as a veteran. If they were killed or severely injured etc then I might reconsider.

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made Jan 3 at 2022 8:42 AM

GySgt Jack Wallace — Mon, 03 Jan 2022 08:42:41 -0500

The answer is NO. If one was wounded or hurt real bad than I would say,YES. But NOT in this case.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2022 5:11 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Jan 2022 17:11:36 -0500

Yes. But at the end of the day, I wouldn’t care. I don’t let others impact my life. I’ve always believed if you sign the dotted line and finish basic training you are a soldier. However, I would go around telling people if that’s all I made it to.
Just my food for thought.

Response by PO1 Doug Williams made Jan 12 at 2022 8:35 PM

PO1 Doug Williams — Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:35:03 -0500

Absolutely not!

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2022 2:35 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Jan 2022 14:35:19 -0500

The regulations say this:
https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by SPC Ray Dillon made Jan 21 at 2022 6:16 PM

SPC Ray Dillon — Fri, 21 Jan 2022 18:16:08 -0500

No.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Jan 23 at 2022 7:40 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:40:18 -0500

I have always been told that 1 day of active duty makes you a veteran established during WWII to provide "in line of duty" basis for injuries or death on the way to basic training following the oath. I believe that definition applies for membership in the American Legion which is chartered by Congress.

Response by 1LT Peter Duston made Jan 23 at 2022 7:47 PM

1LT Peter Duston — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:47:24 -0500

One day of active duty qualifies as a veteran. I was told established during WWII to provide"line of duty" eligibility for benefits even while in transit to basic training following their oath. American Legion requires one day for membership as established by Congress - I have always believed. Many war casualties occurred with a few months of entering active service. I have a son-in-law who gets a disability - injured during diving school and medically retired after the Navy screwed up his surgery. Served less than 2 years.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jan 24 at 2022 7:28 PM

SPC Chris Ison — Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:28:12 -0500

According to the VA she is a veteran:

Veteran has the meaning given the term in 38 U.S.C. 101(2). A Reservist or member of the
National Guard called to Federal active duty or disabled from a disease or injury incurred or
aggravated in line of duty or while in training status also qualify as a veteran.

38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides:
The term "veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and
who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. So then the rest of it is why she was discharged and what that discharge was characterized as.

We need to be careful in trying to set 'arbitrary' rules for veteran status, because eventually they will come for you. Saying this person doesn't deserve this because of this, is the same stupid shit that Trump said when he said John McCain wasn't a war hero.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2022 8:50 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:50:09 -0500

but if your co-worker was injured at Basic or AIT and it can be proven to be service Connected. Then it is possible for the co-worker to be a Veteran if they have been awarded Service Disability for injuries.

Response by CPO Michael Hager made Jan 25 at 2022 9:46 AM

CPO Michael Hager — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 09:46:50 -0500

No way they would be considered a Veteran. They never made it past boot camp, never had a duty station, never deployed, left family or risked their lives.

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Jan 25 at 2022 7:48 PM

MSG Scott McBride — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:48:55 -0500

Negative on Veteran status.

Response by SrA Todd Panek made Jan 25 at 2022 10:21 PM

SrA Todd Panek — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 22:21:35 -0500

The great Robert Heinlein offers some wisdom via "The Notebooks of Lazarus Long":

"This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother’s side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply."

Let him have it. He might be that little lizard.

Response by CMSgt John Owens made Jan 26 at 2022 12:19 PM

CMSgt John Owens — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:19:51 -0500

This is one of the , we don't have All of the info.. No way to make a call on this one.. What does their 214 say, If they have a Honorable Discharge, guess what they are a veteran. Let me Backup, if they have a 214. which they should, they are a veteran, either Honorable or other.. Like I said, way too little info!!!

Response by TSgt Bill Williams made Jan 26 at 2022 12:54 PM

TSgt Bill Williams — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 12:54:50 -0500

Veteran is one who served! End of story! This person is a veteran!

Response by SGT Wes Haun made Jan 26 at 2022 8:10 PM

SGT Wes Haun — Wed, 26 Jan 2022 20:10:00 -0500

No. He tried but didn’t serve in any unit- just training.

Response by 1st Lt Sean Haggerty made Jan 27 at 2022 1:02 AM

1st Lt Sean Haggerty — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 01:02:49 -0500

After 90-days, they are considered a Veteran

Response by SSG Duane Spivey made Jan 27 at 2022 7:57 AM

SSG Duane Spivey — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 07:57:35 -0500

absolutely not.

Response by SSgt Robert Dant made Jan 27 at 2022 9:15 AM

SSgt Robert Dant — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 09:15:13 -0500

I think the official answer would be they are not Classified as a veteran. The easiest way to determine that is to have them go to the VA to see if they can use the services. However, as a veteran who got out with disabilities after 7 years, who knows when the injury will happen.

Here is my final thought not matter what we call this person. Here is an individual who 1 day decided to do the same thing we all did, volunteer, strap on a uniform, and do what it takes to serve this country. That is a huge decision we all made and it did not come easy. That big of a decision at 17 - 18 years old can be over whelming after it is made and you are now into training.

Maybe they are not classified as a veteran, but they deserve more respect than those who do not try.

Response by PO1 Steven Cohan made Jan 27 at 2022 9:44 AM

PO1 Steven Cohan — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 09:44:33 -0500

38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides: The term "veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. So, unless they were dishonorably discharged, for the purpose of receiving Veteran's benefits yes, this individual is a veteran in the eyes of the government. They are not a "combat" or even an "experienced" veteran, but legally, they are a veteran. They are eligible for full benefits after serving 180 days.

Response by PVT Elaine Robinson made Jan 27 at 2022 10:39 AM

PVT Elaine Robinson — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:39:54 -0500

You never know what they were being discharged for so as long as their discharge was honorable then yes they are a veteran they still sign your life away to protect this country and if they didn't do anything nefarious then they deserve that title

Response by TSgt Larry Cohen made Jan 27 at 2022 11:36 AM

TSgt Larry Cohen — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:36:08 -0500

He is no more a veteran than the people that purchase a uniform from a second hand store and wear it around.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2022 1:50 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:50:49 -0500

I had this experience with two coworkers. My former job used to have a ceremony on Veterans Day to honor veterans. My two “didn’t finish AIT” coworkers would always participate. I pulled them aside and respectfully asked them to stop as they weren’t actually veterans. The main reason I did this is because both of them had the option to re-enlist and finish, but they had no intention of doing so. As a retiree, I couldn’t abide that. If you want the prizes, you have to finish the game ya know?

Response by PO2 Norma Pearce made Jan 27 at 2022 6:56 PM

PO2 Norma Pearce — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:56:26 -0500

Not a Veteran in my eyes. Just sayin...

Response by CPT Michelle Morgan made Jan 28 at 2022 12:51 AM

CPT Michelle Morgan — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 00:51:58 -0500

Amen!!!

Response by SP5 Jerrel Don McFarland made Jan 28 at 2022 9:34 AM

SP5 Jerrel Don McFarland — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 09:34:15 -0500

I would say the person with honorable intentions for reasons beyond their control did not and could not do what is necessary to become a military person with rank and service.

Response by LTC George Monsson made Jan 28 at 2022 9:14 PM

LTC George Monsson — Fri, 28 Jan 2022 21:14:27 -0500

Technically, and legally, if a person served 1 day after taking their oath they are a veteran. There is no time limit for award of the National Defense Service Medal as long as it was during the appropriate periods of conflict or emergency. Trying to decide if a person is a "real" veteran because they only served 5 months is cutting the baloney too thin. If you go down that road only those who were actually in combat are "real" veterans.

Response by PFC Edgar Mosier made Jan 29 at 2022 12:40 PM

PFC Edgar Mosier — Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:40:07 -0500

I absolutely Do!
Let me explain:
I had a "battle buddy", before they coined that phrase.
We were based for AIT at Ft. Belvior, VA, for 52B10.
This one evening at dusk, we had been bowling and headed to the Mess Hall, during dusk, at quicktime, shoulder to shoulder.
He said, "Race you!" and shot off. Being a lankier guy, I outstripped him. A few moments later, I heard him hit the concrete walkway, violently.
As I approached his unconscious body, he went into convulsions. I pinned him down to prevent him harming himself more. Noticed that he wasn't having that tongue-swallowing symptom.
By this time another group of two or three trainees had appeared. I sent them for help.
Help (MPs) came, called for medics and an ambulance, took my statement and left.
I visited my friend in 1976, later the next day. He said he was being discharged, both from the hospital and the Army. Seems the Powers-That-Be diagnosed him as epileptic, based on my statement.
They ended his short term plans...
And, in 1979, after my younger brother, PFC Kenneth Lawrence Mosier died, of apparent Gross Medical Neglect while assigned to Ft
Hood, Tx (go ahead and Google him, the year, and Benton, Ark) I suffered too much trauma.
But, recall that PTSD was not Codified until 1980 by the American Psychiatric Association. So, when I was discharged, I was just labeled by the Frankfurt Psychiatrist as, "No further use"...
He'll of a thing to do to a potential Lifer, eh?
Almost as bad as saying that warriors that served during "Peacetime", "HOT or Cold War" aren't really warriors or Veterans; Don't you think?

Response by Sgt Peter McLaughlin made Jan 29 at 2022 1:14 PM

Sgt Peter McLaughlin — Sat, 29 Jan 2022 13:14:57 -0500

A real touchy subject based on the responses I've read. This sounds like a no fault/out of your control situation. Would I be right, and would it be safe to say that the individual that this happened to would have completed their obligation had they not been injured? Although it didn't happen while I was serving, I broke my ankle and shattered my foot. Despite physical therapy, I never completely healed right. It is possible that the individual being mentioned here along with their doctor may have determined that continuing serving may not allow for proper healing due to the physically demanding rigors of training.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2022 5:04 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Jan 2022 17:04:37 -0500

Entry-level separation is less than 180 days with no deployed time. I reckon, if someone's eligible for an ELS, calling themselves a veteran might be a little much.

Response by SPC Joshua Swan made Jan 30 at 2022 10:04 AM

SPC Joshua Swan — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 10:04:34 -0500

Nope, not even close

Response by SPC Terri Robison made Jan 30 at 2022 8:03 PM

SPC Terri Robison — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 20:03:50 -0500

No, I would NOT consider them a Veteran.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2022 8:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 20:57:01 -0500

DD214 with a COD of honorable discharge is a Veteran and entitled to VA benefits

Response by SGT M Edilson made Jan 30 at 2022 10:52 PM

SGT M Edilson — Sun, 30 Jan 2022 22:52:41 -0500

If they have a DD214, have a VA I'd card are currently enrolled in VA healthcare have a retired ID card or a DAV ID card you might be a vetern.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2022 11:27 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 11:27:15 -0500

What is the legal definition of a veteran?
Under Title 38 of the U.S. Code, a veteran is defined as a “person who served in the active military, naval, air, or space service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.”

Response by SSG William M Davis made Jan 31 at 2022 12:03 PM

SSG William M Davis — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:03:00 -0500

NOT!

Response by SFC Paul DeVol made Jan 31 at 2022 12:54 PM

SFC Paul DeVol — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:54:04 -0500

I believe that you need to serve 6 months minimum to be considered a Veteran. If a recruit didn't finish training, I am pretty sure they were separated as "entry-level seperation"

Response by LTC Daniel Modica made Jan 31 at 2022 6:11 PM

LTC Daniel Modica — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 18:11:36 -0500

Um...no.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Jan 31 at 2022 8:10 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 20:10:58 -0500

Other than if someone make claims of heroism while not completing boot camp, I am not concerned by others claims. If they qualify by VA Standards, and have an I.D. from the VA, they must have met the requirements somehow. I know people who actually were Veterans, who through their own actions, threw it all away. Got the BCD or worse. These are the ones I would have something to say about.

Response by GySgt Eric Stapleton made Jan 31 at 2022 11:26 PM

GySgt Eric Stapleton — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 23:26:49 -0500

There are many rules and exceptions. Let's say you ship to Boot Camp and you break your back or suffer a other life altering injury that is service connected you are eligible for VA services and in the eyes of VA and DOD you are concidered a Vet. The 180 day rule won't apply.

Response by CPL Gerald Welch made Feb 1 at 2022 10:45 PM

CPL Gerald Welch — Tue, 01 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0500

Not unless they were injured and medically discharged.

Response by SSG Lincoln Briggs made Feb 2 at 2022 1:05 PM

SSG Lincoln Briggs — Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:05:57 -0500

No.

Response by SSG Gary R Peek made Feb 2 at 2022 4:40 PM

SSG Gary R Peek — Wed, 02 Feb 2022 16:40:21 -0500

Look, I know many on here does not like the fact that this individual was hurt in Basic/AIT phase of their training. I have a very close friend that went on to be a Drill Instructor and he dealt with this issue first hand.

As much as I agree with many of your comments the cold hard fact that individual is considered a Veteran. According to Army Regulations on this even if this individual served 1 day on active duty, yes he is considered active from the moment that individual signed his/her contract and if you all recall at the MEPS Station they were explicit on not getting a tattoo or other things done to your body because the Government “owned” you now. I may not agree either as I served 20 years in the Army, fractured my back and neck and fought off a medical separation at 14 years 8 months, and was rated at 100% upon retiring (since 2004 100% P/T). Did I earn that rating? Damn straight I did and that’s why I feel the way I do but like I said the Army has regulations for this reason and that reason is for everyone who signed their name on the “dotted” line no matter the length of time served.

Just my 2 cents.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Feb 2 at 2022 7:14 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Wed, 02 Feb 2022 19:14:12 -0500

Lol, nope, a general discharge. Good luck with that one.

Response by CW3 Chuck Huddleston made Feb 3 at 2022 11:34 AM

CW3 Chuck Huddleston — Thu, 03 Feb 2022 11:34:35 -0500

Hell no, they don’t qualify as a regular veteran!!!

Response by SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA made Feb 3 at 2022 12:11 PM

SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA — Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:11:07 -0500

If drop out of recruit training or boot camp, you are not a vet, you are a drop out, whether a med drop or otherwise. You might just be able to get VA benefits due to the the injury(it’s) and the fact you were in RC/BC at the time of those injuries. Folks saying they are Vets due to this, are player.

If some goes beyond this point, I believe their is something that states they need to go beyond 180 days.

Response by SGT Jonathan Persons made Feb 4 at 2022 8:28 AM

SGT Jonathan Persons — Fri, 04 Feb 2022 08:28:27 -0500

Sorry, but no. Unless he was injured to the point where he was not able to serve, he didn't make it through training.
Considering them a veteran would be like considering someone who didn't make it through medical school a doctor.

Response by 1SG Eddie Smith made Feb 4 at 2022 9:16 AM

1SG Eddie Smith — Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:16:24 -0500

“Veteran” a person who has had a long experience in a particular field. Individuals that did not complete initial entry training have an uncharacterized character of service or “type of discharge.” Unless during initial entry training was injured to the point of medical board discharged, which in that case would have a medical discharge.

Just because an individual has a disability rating from the VA doesn’t necessarily mean Veteran In the opinion of and among the Veteran community. VA’s eligibility requirements for certain benefits can be as little as 30 days of continuous active duty service, or 90 days of active duty service or call to active duty by a federal order (title 10 orders) and served at least 180 days under title 10 orders, and have a health condition that was caused by military service.

I would not call my self a Veteran of the U.S. Military under such a short stint of military service. That’s just being somewhat disingenuous to the definition of Veteran.

Response by MAJ Craig McNeil made Feb 5 at 2022 11:08 PM

MAJ Craig McNeil — Sat, 05 Feb 2022 23:08:59 -0500

He served. If his DD Form 214 says he was honorably discharged, he’s a Veteran. If it doesn’t, he’s not. Plenty of people have spent four or more years doing the bare minimum who get to call themselves Veterans when all they did was steal oxygen.

Response by CW3 Jim Gregory made Feb 18 at 2022 7:55 PM

CW3 Jim Gregory — Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:55:20 -0500

Response by SPC Julio R. made Feb 25 at 2022 2:38 PM

SPC Julio R. — Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:38:27 -0500

Not no but HELL NO IDGAF what all you blue falcons that agree say. If someone rewrote the verbiage to give those types of "soldiers" a participation trophy so be it but in my book fck no you are not a Veteran period. You did nothing to earn the status going to basic is not a status it is part of the journey and if you couldn't make it then so be it go back to where you got recruited and be on your merry way.
If you got hurt and got recycled and still didn't make it then it was not meant to be, but do not call yourself a Veteran, YOU'RE NOT. They can boast that they went to basic and say why they didn't make it but with that being said it doesn't make you a Veteran, not even close.
GTFO a Veteran, here come all the blue falcon pogs chiming in about my buddy woulda coulda shoulda bullsht.

Response by Sgt Kathy Saldana made Mar 3 at 2022 11:14 AM

Sgt Kathy Saldana — Thu, 03 Mar 2022 11:14:54 -0500

They tried, give them the handshake and call them a vet!

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Mar 9 at 2022 6:53 AM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 06:53:17 -0500

Qualify for any VA benefits...? ie health care

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Mar 9 at 2022 6:54 AM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 06:54:10 -0500

Qualify for VA Healthcare..?

Response by 1SG Christian Chenard made Mar 11 at 2022 4:39 PM

1SG Christian Chenard — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:39:18 -0500

Some states consider you a veteran after 180 days.

Response by Brad Miller made Mar 11 at 2022 6:40 PM

Brad Miller — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 18:40:33 -0500

Why did they not finish?
For example, permanent injuries that rendered your co-worker unfit to serve?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2022 7:11 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:11:58 -0500

"38 U.S. Code § 101 - Definitions

(2)The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, air, or space service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable."

There IS no "minimum" as far as time served, but there are a couple things that make it somewhat. . . confusing.

To be eligible for 5 points of veteran's preference for employment, they need to have served a minimum of 180 days or in an authorized campaign:
"For more than 180 consecutive days, other than for training, any part of which occurred during the period beginning September 11, 2001, and ending on August 31, 2010, the last day of Operation Iraqi Freedom; or
In a campaign or expedition for which a campaign medal has been authorized. Any Armed Forces Expeditionary medal or campaign badge, including El Salvador, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Southwest Asia, Somalia, and Haiti, qualifies for preference." (OPM<dot>gov, "Policy, Data, Oversight
VETERANS SERVICES")

For some purposes, LawForVeterans<dot>org, "Who is a Veteran?" (01DEC21), says, "Enlisted after September 8, 1980: A minimum service requirement exists. Service members must have served a minimum of 24 months of active duty to be considered a veteran. If the service member becomes disabled because of their time in the service, there is no minimum length of service to qualify for VA benefits."

So, TECHNICALLY. . .Yes.
And, TECHNICALLY. . .No.

Response by CW3 Curtis Hallmark made Mar 11 at 2022 8:59 PM

CW3 Curtis Hallmark — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 20:59:50 -0500

According to the U.S. Department of Veteran's Affairs: "The term 'veteran' means a person who served in the active military, naval, air, or space service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.' This is the definition listed in U.S. Code 38 part 101(2).
https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

However, in order to qualify for a Veteran ID Card, you must have received an honorable or general discharge (under honorable conditions). According to the law firm Hill & Ponton, such a discharge would be considered an Entry-Level Separation (which is considered neither honorable nor dishonorable). Unless appealed (typical in medical (injury) discharges), such a discharge does not convey Veteran status.

In my opinion, if you do not even qualify for a Veteran ID Card, you are not a veteran.

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by CW3 Curtis Hallmark made Mar 11 at 2022 9:06 PM

CW3 Curtis Hallmark — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 21:06:53 -0500

According to the Department of Veteran's Affairs: "The term 'veteran' means a person who served in the active military, naval, air, or space service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable." This comes frm US Code 38 part 101(2).

In order to qualify to receive a Veteran ID Card, one must have received an Honorable or General (Under Honorable Conditions).

However, the law firm Hill & Ponton (VA disability specialists), a discharge during training would be considered an Entry-Level discharge (which is considered neither honorable nor dishonorable) as would not be considered a veteran (since it will not be specified as honorable). This is typically successfully appealed if the entry level discharge is due to a permanent injury (often bringing disability benefits).

My opinion: if you did not complete enough training to make it to your first 'line' unit, you are not a veteran.

Response by GySgt Eric Stapleton made Mar 12 at 2022 3:51 PM

GySgt Eric Stapleton — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 15:51:38 -0500

Yes they would depending on what happened if they were discharged due to a service connected injury they get VA services and would be concidered a Vet

Response by CPT Christopher Stanco made Mar 12 at 2022 4:32 PM

CPT Christopher Stanco — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 16:32:07 -0500

https://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/

What is a Veteran? The Legal & Military Definition | VA.org

Find out who or what is a veteran and who qualifies based on active military, naval, or air service. Learn the military definition and meaning.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Mar 13 at 2022 11:30 AM

SPC Vonnie Jones — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:30:13 -0400

Yes that is a Vet, they raised their right hand and took the oath. We don't know what the conditions of the discharge was. If they got out for mental illness that is not the Vet's fault it was missed at pre enlistment physical. A broken bone that won't mend would not be the soldier fault either. When you raise your right hand your service starts. Getting out after 5 months and not making it to AIT hummm what is the rest of the story? Wonder are they a female or male? Did they get an honorable or general discharge? Lot of missing pieces.

Response by PO1 Sam Deel made Mar 13 at 2022 1:59 PM

PO1 Sam Deel — Sun, 13 Mar 2022 13:59:18 -0400

I am with the consensus. The Regs state that this co-worker did not obligate her contract of Enlistment and is, therefor, not a Veteran.

Response by Cpl Jacob Crabtree made Mar 14 at 2022 9:32 AM

Cpl Jacob Crabtree — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 09:32:05 -0400

Title 38 of the Code of Federal Reserves defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.”

The VA has also established in a document titled “Determining Veteran Status” that “A person without active duty time who was injured during training may still qualify as a Veteran.”

Without knowing how or why they were discharged, my default answer is going to be “it doesn’t matter what I think.”

If they meet the guidelines established by Title 38 or the VA, they can call themselves a veteran. I won’t be losing any sleep over it at night.

Response by 1SG Paul Ayotte made Mar 14 at 2022 1:31 PM

1SG Paul Ayotte — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 13:31:04 -0400

Unfortunately, yes. I know a guy that was discharged/chaptered during USMC that is drawing %100 disability pay because Basic training "messed him up ". It's unfair but true.

Response by SGT Ken Williams made Mar 14 at 2022 2:01 PM

SGT Ken Williams — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 14:01:22 -0400

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Mar 14 at 2022 2:41 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 14:41:50 -0400

Opinions don't matter, only verified dates on paperwork. Regs are Regs, how does their SRB stack up?

Response by SSG Robert Vernon made Mar 14 at 2022 4:18 PM

SSG Robert Vernon — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:18:10 -0400

I believe there is something in the UCMJ regarding how long one must serve on "Active Duty" status to include their Basic and AIT , in order to receive the "Veteran" title or status, and I also believe the Discharge received cannot be anything other than Honorable or General under honorable conditions.

Response by PFC Bryan Pflug made Mar 14 at 2022 8:53 PM

PFC Bryan Pflug — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 20:53:42 -0400

Military standards says you have to do 6 months minimum to claim veteran status and privileges. So no she is not a veteran.

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Mar 14 at 2022 11:32 PM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 23:32:54 -0400

The DD-214 tells the story

5 months? They failed ENTRY LEVEL…and VA doesn’t consider them VETERAN, either

Response by Amn Eric Thompson made Mar 15 at 2022 2:13 AM

Amn Eric Thompson — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 02:13:02 -0400

From what I have read, if you signed up and were discharged with anything other than a dishonorable discharge, you are a veteran. What benefits you receive from that depends on how long you served.

Response by SPC Darren Coffenberry made Mar 15 at 2022 12:19 PM

SPC Darren Coffenberry — Tue, 15 Mar 2022 12:19:09 -0400

I would say no. A Veteran is someone who served their country Honorably. A Veteran is also someone who believes their oath of enlistment never expires. I would fight for this country and I have been out for 25 years. When you wear that uniform it represents all who served before you, that flag was held up by the blood of Patriots...only to be replaced with more men to keep it flying.....when you take a bite of food at the dinner table and don't hear shelling or automatic gunfire in the distance...thank a Veteran. I never saw combat but I volunteered in the first Gulf War for critical MOS's. A Veteran to me is someone who signed that dotted line at MEPS and expected at some point to fire a weapon and defend freedom...not someone who served 5 months and got out for whatever reason...so THANK YOU Combat Vets and SM's everywhere for the freedom I can still enjoy today...Hooah Brothers and Sisters!

Response by SSgt Rick Anderau made Mar 16 at 2022 8:01 PM

SSgt Rick Anderau — Wed, 16 Mar 2022 20:01:33 -0400

Never had a duty assignment. Nope, not a vet!

Response by SGT Darin Ostrander made Mar 17 at 2022 10:23 PM

SGT Darin Ostrander — Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:23:44 -0400

I sprained my ankle during my 8th year of active duty and now after 32 years they are finally going to attempt to fix the torn tendons and ligaments. Now that’s anxiety and stress, and still retained my Veteran status.

Response by CW3 Raymond Mead made Apr 5 at 2022 4:56 PM

CW3 Raymond Mead — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 16:56:07 -0400

Getting out after five months doesn’t necessarily make her a quitter. I have noticed that the military has begun separating soldiers for some injuries that thirty years ago would have been taken care of. Arbitrarily calling someone a quitter without knowing the facts is much akin to troops jeering others on sick call during Basic Training. A veteran is someone who completed six months of active service or completed an enlistment. Contrary to popular belief, you don’t have to serve in a combat zone to be a veteran. I did serve in a combat zone, and was shot at, and served throughout most of the Cold War. I also served with a lot of veterans who never saw a hostile minute in their tour of duty or in many cases an entire career. And I knew guys who hung it up at 18 or 19 1/2 years and ETSed for their own reasons. Being a veteran is a sensitive issue.

Response by CPL Michael Peck made Apr 9 at 2022 4:36 PM

CPL Michael Peck — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 16:36:25 -0400

I've seen people barely serve a year yet get 70 percent disability for depression. So who knows what a veteran is anymore.

Response by COL Mo Fenner made Apr 9 at 2022 6:48 PM

COL Mo Fenner — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 18:48:37 -0400

You are considered in training status until you complete AIT. If you never complete training (graduated), you have not transitioned to being a soldier. Their 214 will reflect that. If they were injured while basic training or AIT, and were no longer fit for service, they may be considered a veteran, but it must say that they have veteran status on their 214. The 214 says it all.

Response by SrA Sheila Duranceau made Apr 9 at 2022 9:36 PM

SrA Sheila Duranceau — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 21:36:45 -0400

No, I would not consider that a Veteran. It disgraces those of us who are Veteran's. I served two tours. I knew people that got out in basic training that tried to say they were Veterans also. So NOT true.

Response by SrA Christopher Snell made Apr 10 at 2022 5:31 AM

SrA Christopher Snell — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 05:31:18 -0400

No even the VA dosen't consider him a Vetren

Response by CPL Dan Hadam made Apr 10 at 2022 7:16 AM

CPL Dan Hadam — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:16:46 -0400

No , how could he or she be a vet not even getting out of training . U serve ur full term 2 yrs. or 3 and get ur honorable discharge then in my opinion ur a U S Veteran .

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Apr 10 at 2022 9:28 AM

CWO4 Carter Owens — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:28:00 -0400

To answer that question, I would have to go to Title 38 of the US Code. And it's a rat's nest in there.

Response by SPC Amanda Silvestri made Apr 10 at 2022 12:28 PM

SPC Amanda Silvestri — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:28:00 -0400

A veteran of what? Not of The Army for sure. Your co-worker went through basic, Big Deal, so he can peel a potato and make a bed, that does not make you a veteran.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Apr 10 at 2022 12:43 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:43:22 -0400

In society YES; according to the regulations NO.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2022 12:54 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:54:10 -0400

There is many unknowns to this stuation. the fact that they even served for a few months is more than 96% of the rest of this nation can say. So that being said, I would thank them for their service and leave it at that. Granted those that have served many years and have been downrange may differ with my views. But let's face it there is many that could have served that never even tried at least this person tried, for what ever reason they did not complete AIT and thus they were cut loose. This occurs even on civilian jobs. Does this make that person any less of a man or woman? Heck no...

Response by Jacob L. made Apr 10 at 2022 3:24 PM

Jacob L. — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:24:29 -0400

Well, depends on the person. I was in a similar situation, got Injured and discharged real early on so I don't call myself a veteran, even though Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable. According to the government, I am, but I'd never call myself a veteran

Response by CPT Steve Fortenberry made Apr 10 at 2022 8:58 PM

CPT Steve Fortenberry — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:58:42 -0400

No. That is ridiculous. Would you say someone who went to high school for one semester was a graduate? If you don’t complete the training for any job, and actually do the job for some period of time, you can’t say you were a carpenter, or plumber, or airline pilot, or soldier.

Response by Cpl Tammy Hooper made Apr 11 at 2022 7:51 AM

Cpl Tammy Hooper — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:51:43 -0400

6 months or 180 days unless medical problem.

Response by SSG Joseph VanDyck made Apr 11 at 2022 8:24 AM

SSG Joseph VanDyck — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 08:24:28 -0400

Depends, do they get the Nov 11th discount at Applebee's? Sarcasm. Not only no, but a big ole flashing marquee in all caps...NO!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2022 12:54 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:54:59 -0400

Let me answer this with facts versus a bunch of you with feelings and assumptions. None of us are the arbitrator of veteran status... it is the government and dependent on your service.

Veteran status is not just determined just by length of service, or what you did during your time nor if you were deployed or not. In the vast majority of cases, you have to serve at least 180 days after your basic and job specialty training. Then there are exceptions related to medical discharges.

Veteran status is not subjective or a matter of opinion...

Response by SSgt Mathew Cummings made Apr 11 at 2022 2:27 PM

SSgt Mathew Cummings — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:27:44 -0400

By terms associated with the VA, yes. Personal opinion varies by experience, take into consideration that if you are not aware the circumstances, you are judging a book by its cover. Had a buddy get a ruptured testicle during Boot Camp. They found prostate cancer and he was separated against his will. I consider that to be an honorable Veteran. My mother's brother ran away to Canada after boot camp to get out of Vietnam, I do not consider him a Veteran. Personal circumstances provide that I cannot say, outside of the definition by the VA.

Response by MSgt Thomas O'Rourke made Apr 12 at 2022 3:19 PM

MSgt Thomas O'Rourke — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:19:48 -0400

May be technically but not in my eyes. I am also reluctant to call non-deployers Vets too.

Response by SGT Donovan Leeds made Apr 12 at 2022 10:29 PM

SGT Donovan Leeds — Tue, 12 Apr 2022 22:29:22 -0400

A veteran is defined as every person who has received an honorable discharge, received a discharge for medical reasons with an honorable record, where applicable, or is in receipt of discharge paperwork that characterizes their service as honorable, and who has served in at least one of the following capacities:

As a member in any branch of the armed forces of the United States, including the national guard and armed forces reserves, and has fulfilled his or her initial military service obligation;
As a member of the women’s air forces service pilots;
As a member of the armed forces reserves, national guard, or coast guard, and has been called into federal service by a presidential select reserve call up for at least one hundred eighty cumulative days;
As a civil service crewmember with service aboard a U.S. army transport service or U.S. naval transportation service vessel in oceangoing service from December 7, 1941, through December 31, 1946;
As a member of the Philippine armed forces/scouts during the period of armed conflict from December 7, 1941, through August 15, 1945; or
A United States documented merchant mariner with service aboard an oceangoing vessel operated by the department of defense, or its agents, from both June 25, 1950, through July 27, 1953, in Korean territorial waters and from August 5, 1964, through May 7, 1975, in Vietnam territorial waters, and who received a military commendation.

Response by CSM Thomas McNamara made Apr 13 at 2022 1:07 AM

CSM Thomas McNamara — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:07:52 -0400

Your opinions don't count. What does the definition of a Veteran in Title 38 of the US Code say?

Response by CSM Thomas McNamara made Apr 13 at 2022 1:09 AM

CSM Thomas McNamara — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:09:50 -0400

Opinions don't count. How does Title 38 define "Veteran"?

Response by SPC Rachael Lavertu made Apr 13 at 2022 10:20 AM

SPC Rachael Lavertu — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:20:25 -0400

They aren’t the only one. Unless you plan to hunt down everyone, leave it alone. I worked with a guy in Kuwait he want to boot camp, AIT, fat camp, 30 days active duty. Is 100% p&t. We don’t make the rules on what qualifies. We don’t get to pick who is more of a veteran because they served longer or deployed. Oh you didn’t serve your full first term, you can’t sit with us.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2022 10:46 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:46:08 -0400

ELL No.

Response by TSgt Robert Holmes made Apr 13 at 2022 12:53 PM

TSgt Robert Holmes — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:53:13 -0400

One has to serve 181 consecutive days of active duty to receive VA benefits.

Response by Cpl Richard Matheson made Apr 13 at 2022 7:23 PM

Cpl Richard Matheson — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:23:40 -0400

Look up Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations definition of a Veteran! Ignorance is not bliss.

Response by SFC Gary Varn made Apr 13 at 2022 9:54 PM

SFC Gary Varn — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:54:34 -0400

Just like YMCA Soccer.
No score kept & everyone gets a Trophy,
Man Please.
SFC Gary V

Response by 1SG Melissa Kraye-Holmes made Apr 14 at 2022 7:46 AM

1SG Melissa Kraye-Holmes — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:46:24 -0400

Response by CPO James Harrison made Apr 14 at 2022 12:26 PM

CPO James Harrison — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:26:17 -0400

Absolutely not. If someone doesn't do at least the minimum 4-year enlistment, they aren't a veteran.

Response by PO1 William Robertson made Apr 14 at 2022 12:37 PM

PO1 William Robertson — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:37:23 -0400

If they have a DD214, they’re a veteran. Regardless of whether they were medically discharged after 5 months, they still took the oath, still completed basic training.

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Apr 14 at 2022 10:11 PM

MAJ Glenn Lasater — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:11:17 -0400

Not enough information to give an accurate answer. Many of the comments here are completely inaccurate. To be considered a veteran, any military personnel must be on active-duty service for at least 180 days. The only exception is if the member sustained a service-related injury and was discharged under honorable conditions.

The Veterans' Administration uses different criteria to determine if an individual is eligible for veteran's benefits. Generally, they require completion of 24 months of continuous active duty. Of course, as with every other government agency, there are exceptions stacked upon exceptions and the final determination of veteran's eligibility is the VA. Generally speaking, an individual must be receiving compensation for a service connected disability to get an exception to the 24 month requirement.

There is absolutely no requirement that an individual complete a specified type or length of training, serve in a line unit, or serve in a combat zone. The only accurate and complete answer is available only from the VA.

Response by A1C Grant Sturm made Apr 15 at 2022 12:48 AM

A1C Grant Sturm — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 00:48:13 -0400

Technically if he got an honorable discharge he would.

Response by SPC David Buttrey made Apr 15 at 2022 7:31 AM

SPC David Buttrey — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 07:31:49 -0400

Nope. You have to actually serve in a non training unit at the very least to be considered a veteran.

Response by SGT Chad Goethe made Apr 15 at 2022 6:20 PM

SGT Chad Goethe — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 18:20:44 -0400

In my opinion, the reason makes all the difference. If the individual quit because they couldn’t hack it, then not just no, but HELL NO, they aren’t a Veteran. On the other hand, if they sustained an injury during training that prevented them from completing their training and getting orders to a unit, then thats a different story. In either case, I would hope that the “war stories” don’t go beyond what they experienced during their training period.

Response by CW4 Gregg Brown made Apr 15 at 2022 9:55 PM

CW4 Gregg Brown — Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:55:21 -0400

I understand the comments made here, it would seem the Veterans Administration would classify this person as a veteran UNLESS they were discharged in something less than an honorable status.
https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by SGT Shelia Brown made Apr 16 at 2022 12:17 AM

SGT Shelia Brown — Sat, 16 Apr 2022 00:17:49 -0400

No she's not considered a Veteran unless it was a medical reason for her not completed at least 180 days

Response by SGT Kenneth Brockman made Apr 16 at 2022 5:13 PM

SGT Kenneth Brockman — Sat, 16 Apr 2022 17:13:40 -0400

Unless he/she was wounded defending his post from a mass shooter, then no. The end

Response by PO1 Milton Wiseman made Apr 16 at 2022 11:56 PM

PO1 Milton Wiseman — Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:56:31 -0400

Basic, AIT, Boot Camp and A school are a person's attempt to join the club. The completion of the service basic training and job training are just the test period, and that's all. When they arrive at their first duty station and experience real world service, you know adding to the tool bag, being a teammate, battle buddy, shipmate, they are service members, war fighters. If they are injured, serve one enlistment or stay 30 years, they are veterans at that point.
No, the military is not for everyone and many can't hack basic, Boot Camp or military life. A veteran is some one that hacked initial entry training and served. Just my view.

Response by SN John Nolte made Apr 17 at 2022 2:07 AM

SN John Nolte — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 02:07:55 -0400

If they show they were honorably discharged, then yes, I would give that person the same respect as anyone who volunteered to serve our country. Furthermore, judging people without knowing their whole story and walking in their shoes is not a good idea, and it is against the teachings of the Bible.

Response by LCpl Casey Bowling made Apr 17 at 2022 5:27 AM

LCpl Casey Bowling — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:27:27 -0400

Honestly I think it depends entirely on how this individual got out. I've been in 7 years active, 10 years total and with 2 branches. I have seen numerous people try everything they can think of to get out once they got to boot camp or basic, or AIT and realized they made a mistake. To me...those individuals who got out under "shady" circumstances did not earn the title of being a veteran. The short n sweet answer, if they got out in any way shape or form with some kind of benefits from their service (i.e. disability, medical retirement, V A benefits of any kind or G I benefits) than yes they are a veteran and they deserve that respect because there are people who had to get out and just didn't have a choice but could've been great assets. But in my personal experience, I have met more people who were washed out or just didn't have what it takes and got out failure to adapt but still like to say they are veterans.

Response by LCpl Paul Miller made Apr 17 at 2022 5:44 AM

LCpl Paul Miller — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:44:12 -0400

I'd say something but I'll choose to hold my tongue. BWAHAHAHAHA

Response by PFC John Behrman made Apr 17 at 2022 7:02 AM

PFC John Behrman — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 07:02:02 -0400

So I guess I better put my story in here because it directly relates. First off, I'm and a Veteran with a 50% service connected disability do to a injury I got at BCT Ft. Sill. Some numb nuts came down the wrong side of "The Ladder", stepped on my hands when I was half way up and my shoulder was dislocated and my rotator cuff torn requiring surgery. I was not able to complete BCT and was given a medical uncharacterized discharge.

I was not drummed out, or was I a quitter. I went in with full knowledge that I may one day be called to give my life for my country, and I was fine with that.

Ya I am pissed I couldn't complete BCT and tried everything I could to stay in to complete it. I was put in the med unit and eventually sent home. I rode the desk at the 321st Com Eng Bat for several months trying to get healed up to go back to boot. But they said I was unable to complete training to do my injury.

The day after 9/11 I was in the recruiters office beating down his door to be put though MEPS to get back in because I was pissed. MEPS obviously denied my reenactment.

So my question is then; since I didn't get a DD214 because I didn't complete BCT, do you all consider me to not be a Veteran? Between enlistment and discharge I was in for about 2 years. So does that disqualify me to be your brother?

Response by SSgt Bradley Riedel made Apr 17 at 2022 8:52 AM

SSgt Bradley Riedel — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:52:05 -0400

I served 8 years. I was homeless, staying at the Volunteers of America. They had a bum there who only did 5 days and got a DD218. What a joke. He considered himself a Vet!

Response by Sgt Jeffrey Hill made Apr 17 at 2022 9:48 AM

Sgt Jeffrey Hill — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:48:36 -0400

Yes and no, it would depend on why he was separated

Response by SFC Leo Augustin made Apr 17 at 2022 10:18 AM

SFC Leo Augustin — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:18:48 -0400

According to Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations, a veteran is someone who has actively served in the armed forces for a certain period of time and was not dishonorably discharged. However, there are other factors that need to be taken into account.
1. Type of Service

Full-Time vs. Part-Time

The first area of consideration is whether you are full-time or part-time personnel. This depends on your specific job description. Most of the time, full-timers are active-duty service members, and those in the National Guard and Reserves are part-timers. To determine a person’s veteran status, particularly for identifying eligible benefits, it is crucial that the details of this are checked.

This is because even though members of the National Guard and Reserves go through the same basic military training and complete military job training, they may not meet the following requirements to be considered a veteran:

They may not have been deployed under federal orders, which is needed to place a person on active-duty status. In particular, the deployment must satisfy the minimum requirements that are outlined for active-duty service members.
They may not have been separated from service because of a disability related to any mandatory training. It must have been reported to the VA for a disabled status as well.

However, if you have served for 20 years or more in the National Guard or Reserve, you are given veteran status.
2. Duration of Service

There is a minimum service duration requirement when it comes to receiving benefits as a veteran. In detail, you must have been in active-duty service for

30 consecutive days before you are discharged for a disability connected to your service
90 days on or after the 10th of September, 2001 before you are discharged honorably
2 years before you are discharged honorably

The 90-day frame is specifically for the Post 9/11 GI Bill and the 2-year frame is for the Montgomery GI Bill).

If you were discharged during basic military training or another required training course because of a disability that was sustained while training, then you are still considered a veteran. However, this is only the case if you reported the injury to the VA and were recognized with a training or service-connected disability.
3. Time of Service

During Peacetime

To be considered a veteran, any military personnel must be on active-duty service for at least 180 days. The only exception is if the member sustained a service-related injury and was discharged under honorable conditions.

During Wartime

To be considered a veteran, any military personnel must be on active-duty service for at least 90 days. The exceptions are if the member sustained a service-related disability or received the Purple Heart and was discharged under honorable conditions.

For both peace and wartime, however, any military personnel who died during service are considered a veteran.
Other Categories

There are other categories of government service that may grant you veteran status. For example, if you were a scout in the Philippine Commonwealth Army and served between the 7th of December, 1941 and the 1st of January, 1947. Another instance is if you were a commissioned officer in the Environmental Science Services Administration, the Public Health Service, the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration, or the Coast & Geodetic Survey and possess a DD-214.

Response by Cpl Vincent Cavanagh made Apr 17 at 2022 4:26 PM

Cpl Vincent Cavanagh — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:26:45 -0400

Nope, they ain't my brother/sister. At the very least, I'm looking for a good faith TRY at service, not this 5 month garbage. My brothers and sisters give 100% to everything they do.

Response by CSM Larry Shaw made Apr 17 at 2022 7:54 PM

CSM Larry Shaw — Sun, 17 Apr 2022 19:54:28 -0400

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2022 10:01 AM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:01:54 -0400

The short answer is, yes. Anyone that served on active duty in the "military, air, or space service" AND didn't get a dishonorable discharge is a veteran. This is from title 38 of the U.S. code. National Guard and Reserve members called to active duty for 180 days or more also qualify as veterans. Additional definitions of "veteran" have been introduced for reservists and guard members who served 20 years but were never called to active service for more than 180 days. Please note the 180 day requirement was only ever a requirement for reservists and national guard. Those that came into the serve on active duty straight away have no such requirement.

Now if you serve less than 180 days, you may be able to call yourself a veteran but you may not be eligible for any Veterans benefits. That's an entirely different question. For instance, the change that allowed for reservists and guard members to call themselves "veterans" after 20 years of service regardless of active duty time did NOT confer any additional veteran's benefits. It simply allowed them to legitimately claim the honorific. Nothing else.

But to conclude, your co-worker is not wrong. They were on active duty therefore they are a veteran. What that means outside of that very legal definition is for you to decide.

Response by SP5 Dan Kassner made Apr 18 at 2022 2:17 PM

SP5 Dan Kassner — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 14:17:14 -0400

Would depend on what happened that the person only did 5 months.

Response by PO3 James Snyder made Apr 18 at 2022 3:48 PM

PO3 James Snyder — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:48:43 -0400

WHAT IS A VET ? IT IS A PERSON THAT GIVES OF THEM SELF, FOR THE LOVE OF THEIR
COUNTRY.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Apr 18 at 2022 3:59 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 15:59:21 -0400

I am not familiar with AIT. It sounds like Army Infantry Training. Anyone who served only 5 months and was washed out IS NOT A VETERAN. My son-in-law did not finish Marine Boot Camp. He is not a Veteran. I joined the Naval Reserve and was given the opportunity to do either: the full 3 month Boot Camp or abbreviated Naval Reserve 2 week Boot Camp. My feeling was that I wanted to learn everything I could about the Navy in order to do my best for my country. Therefore, I did the Full Boot Camp and have never regretted it or the fact that I missed out on having a Summer Vacation that year. Boot Camp was my Summer Vacation and I enjoyed every minute of it.

Response by SP5 Thomas Jameson made Apr 18 at 2022 8:45 PM

SP5 Thomas Jameson — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:45:25 -0400

No. Regs cover that!

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2022 8:57 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:57:26 -0400

SPC Goerz, you will receive so many opinions on this question. What I have to say is more about you than that of the person in question. Truthfully, I can tell you what I think and that is I really don't know. I know one thing and that is the person raised their hand. Like many said that is more than most will ever do. I would shake their hand as I would yours and tell you both how grateful I am of your service.

There will always be someone that has done more than you will have done while in your in the service. Be honest with yourself, be humble and maybe just tell them thank you for you service also.
After being in almost 30 years I have seen a few things and I can tell you there will be some that are leaders, warrior's common soldiers that do their job without recognition and then you will see the ribbon chasers, and those that actually deserve the recognition. I know that is a big part of coming up the NCO branch but for me after three or four rows to me it was more of a pain in the rear not remembering or really caring what they were for.

I can say while in Iraq, seeing cooks that had no mission since contractors did most of the cooking get sent on gun truck missions, deserve so much more thanks than I ever received.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2022 7:53 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Apr 2022 07:53:23 -0400

Negative. No DD214, no Veteran.

Response by SGT Ralph Ostermueller made Apr 19 at 2022 2:07 PM

SGT Ralph Ostermueller — Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:07:16 -0400

Q: Are the "6 month active duty "reservists who did multi years active reserve/ annual Summer Camp, regular weekly meetings, etc. considered vets?

Q: Further, are the Reservists who were called-up into Defense Secretary McNamara's Ready Reserve (72 meetings/ year + annual Summer Camp Training/ Duty) considered vets, & are they entitled to benefits at some level?
I was one of these, + I graduated(with honors) from the NCO Academy at Fort Knox (In early 1964) while on my 6-months active duty tour.

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Apr 20 at 2022 8:35 AM

SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 08:35:16 -0400

It would depend on what the DD214 says!

Response by PO2 Joseph Fast made Apr 21 at 2022 8:17 PM

PO2 Joseph Fast — Thu, 21 Apr 2022 20:17:11 -0400

NO.

Response by Amn Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2022 8:54 AM

Amn Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2022 08:54:23 -0400

They have an Honorable Discharge and a DD214? They are a veteran. They took the oath and signed that blank check. “A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to “The United States of America,” for an amount up to and including their life.”

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2022 7:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Apr 2022 19:40:34 -0400

Would just say thank you for your service and walk away

Response by PFC Michael Blank made May 7 at 2022 5:47 PM

PFC Michael Blank — Sat, 07 May 2022 17:47:40 -0400

Yes and here is why. Congress determines who is and who is not a veteran. Look up the regs. All that is needed is 1 day of active duty service which is honorable. That is all this required. The rest of you need to shut the F up and read the regulations. If you don't like that answer write your congressman and tell them to change the regs. Until they are changed all of you arm chair warriors need to crawl back into the hole you came from.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made May 11 at 2022 9:14 AM

SSG Clayton Lam — Wed, 11 May 2022 09:14:43 -0400

Response by SPC Billy Bryant made May 11 at 2022 10:24 AM

SPC Billy Bryant — Wed, 11 May 2022 10:24:31 -0400

He'll NO!

Response by MCPO Gary Uzonyi made May 20 at 2022 4:30 AM

MCPO Gary Uzonyi — Fri, 20 May 2022 04:30:22 -0400

Here are a couple of requirements to qualify for a Veteran's ID Card (be a veteran) per...
https://www.va.gov/records/get-veteran-id-cards/vic/

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Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made May 23 at 2022 10:45 PM

SFC Jerald Bottcher — Mon, 23 May 2022 22:45:58 -0400

If they got injured in such a way as to get medical boarded out, then they may be a veteran, but I seriously doubt it. Almost every case I have heard like that they got sent home and ended up staying on active duty long enough for the 6 months to take place. If they got kind of hurt and quit or just quit, or if they lied on their application (medical) and got caught and then kicked out they are not a veteran. Look at the DD 214 it will state the character of the discharge. It will also state how much time was accrued for active duty. if it is not at least 180 days, not a vet

Response by SGT Jim Wiseman made May 24 at 2022 11:04 AM

SGT Jim Wiseman — Tue, 24 May 2022 11:04:20 -0400

Unless there was a major medical issue that wasn't detected in MEPS or in their initial exams before going to Basic, this person sounds like a quitter. Or, a "failure to adapt." Someone who thought they would be able to lie Army life their way and bend the Army to their will, but learned that they could not pull a Cartman and "do what I want!"
I suppose it's easier once you graduate AIT to accept what Drills say and that you're not in the Army until you graduate. For those with longer AIT's than Infantry, it may be considered to be sooner. During Basic and AIT, a trainee will make less money than what they are supposed to for the rank. 3/4 of the pay is what I want to say. I couldn't easily find the answer Available pay tables online don't seem to list it. Probably to give potential recruits less opportunities to reconsider enlistment.
All of that was to say that either officially, or unofficially, you are not considered to be IN the military until AFTER Basic and AIT. And, you're not a veteran until you leave... pretty much. During your time in service, you're assessed by time in service, rank, work ethic... whether you're a total shitbag. Pretty similar to how you're unofficially evaluated in the civilian world, but a little more officially.
Your coworker is probably trying to cover for being an s-bag to one degree or another by playing for veteran points. Use that unofficial eval used everyday to gauge whether this is true.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made May 24 at 2022 8:38 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Tue, 24 May 2022 20:38:19 -0400

I know of a soldier that got his hand crushed by a M114 hatch while in AIT during the 1970s. He lost his thumb and pointer finger on his dominate hand. He received the National Defense Service Ribbon and also an Honorable Discharge. He only served 13 weeks. He gets 50% of a E1's pay.
Additionally if a soldier's DD-214 or other military documentation confirms they have been awarded the National Defense Service Ribbon and they have served honorably, then they are eligible for membership in the Veterans of Foreign Wars.
Technically: Yes
Regulation-wise: Yes
Beer-Drinking, Buddy-Bragging, Mud-Wallowing: NO - But if it wasn't through his fault, I would invite him for a brew.

Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Jun 2 at 2022 10:39 PM

SPC Martin Meyer — Thu, 02 Jun 2022 22:39:18 -0400

I am not sure how you get out in 5 months. I know in 71 there would have been some very extenuating circumstances to get out.
I shatter the bones in the tip of my ring finger on my left hand during pugilstick training. Had to have the bones removed from the finger tip as they were growing apart and causing pain. Doctor operated did not know he gave me a profile that was going to keep me out of jump school. So I was sent to Ft. Ord for truck driving training only good thing that came of that I got licensed for jeep and duce and a half big plus when I got to Airborne School. Went to the CO of my training company who by the grace of God was an Airborne Ranger so he assisted me on getting back on track to jump school and of course Advance Infantry Training at Ft. Polk. Got my profile lifted, nothing was going to make me quit. I had a goal in mind. AATW!

Response by SP5 Robert Friedman made Jun 3 at 2022 9:10 AM

SP5 Robert Friedman — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 09:10:41 -0400

That's a joke, right?

Response by PO3 William Villalpando made Jun 3 at 2022 1:33 PM

PO3 William Villalpando — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 13:33:28 -0400

Not a Veteran. All they did was cost the Army a bunch of money in training (and partial training). They did not serve. IMO, the Army has grounds for recouping that cash!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 3 at 2022 11:12 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 23:12:08 -0400

No. He had not finished AIT. He broke his contract.

Response by SSgt Aaron Tadewald made Jun 6 at 2022 1:31 AM

SSgt Aaron Tadewald — Mon, 06 Jun 2022 01:31:08 -0400

38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides:

The term "veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. So in regards to your question, if your co-worker was injured during AIT, technically they were on active duty at the time which allows for a medical discharge. If they don't have any derogatory behavior the medical discharge can be transferred into a Honorable Discharge. If they have a DD 214 with honorable discharge they're a veteran. Now there's also different types of veterans explained in 38 U.S.C. the type of veteran determines the benefits received from the VA.

Response by SFC Harold Meads made Jun 6 at 2022 2:18 PM

SFC Harold Meads — Mon, 06 Jun 2022 14:18:45 -0400

Not no, but xell no. Look at me Mommy Moments don't count. Back in the day, all you got was a box lunch and a bus ticket to your HOR. That photo was taken during my Marine Corps days on the EOD Range at Camp Pendelton. . . .

Response by SN William Culotta made Jun 21 at 2022 5:00 AM

SN William Culotta — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 05:00:27 -0400

I have been out sense Nam but that sounds dubious. to me

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Jun 26 at 2022 7:03 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 19:03:46 -0400

If I'm not mistaken, you have to have served 6 plus months or 180 days to be considered a Veteran, that person was injured but failed to complete training and AIT, it happens, possibly more then one thinks, but NO way is that person a Veteran unless I'm wrong, so let your co-worker know they're wrong claiming they're a Veteran

Response by SFC Dennis Cash made Jul 4 at 2022 3:55 PM

SFC Dennis Cash — Mon, 04 Jul 2022 15:55:29 -0400

In regards to anyone who served in the Military, 1 day or 3000 days, if they went to military duty and served along with others next to them, THEY ARE A VETERAN. LOOK IT UP IN THE REGULATIONS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF.

Response by SSgt Richard Nagley made Jul 5 at 2022 8:16 AM

SSgt Richard Nagley — Tue, 05 Jul 2022 08:16:13 -0400

Your information is POTENTIALLY DAMAGING to all veterans and as inaccurate as the Question is incomplete! You need more information and I'm embarrassed to be a member of RP. TALVSO a Vietnam Veteran

Response by SSG David Joubert made Jul 5 at 2022 3:08 PM

SSG David Joubert — Tue, 05 Jul 2022 15:08:37 -0400

No, AIT and BASIC training don't qualify them as Veteran. The Army regulation clearly states that he or she needs to have served 6 months of the assigned duty and is MOS trained. So you may inform them not they are not a Veteran as they did not complete the requirements as such and send them back to the recruiter so they can try again.

Response by SSgt Clyde Ellis made Jul 6 at 2022 4:38 PM

SSgt Clyde Ellis — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 16:38:13 -0400

There was a guy in our "sister" Flight (Air Force BASIC Lackland 1972) who would say "Sir, I'm prior service and ..........". Every time he opened his mouth we all groaned. Apparently, he had been in Army BASIC and got drummed out for some medical reason after only about TWO WEEKS!

It could be something as stupid as: "Sir, I'm prior service and was wondering where the nearest latrine is?" I $hiTTTT you not!

FYI for those not familiar, a "Flight" in the Air Force is equivalent to a Platoon - up to 50 individuals.

Response by SPC Scott Protentis made Jul 6 at 2022 7:57 PM

SPC Scott Protentis — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 19:57:02 -0400

I served 6 years in the Massachusetts Army National Guard and was discharged from the military with an honorable discharge. I' nontheless have difficulty referring to myself as a veteran. Although I'm a veteran of military service, I never served during a time of conflict, and I was never deployed. If I have trouble referring to myself as a veteran this woman most certainly does not meet that standard.

Response by PO1 Helena Janice Ritz made Jul 7 at 2022 9:17 AM

PO1 Helena Janice Ritz — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 09:17:22 -0400

To be eligible for most veterans benefits, a minimum period of active duty of 24 continuous months or the full period for which a person is called or ordered to active duty must be completed. This rule has been in effect since October 16, 1981 for new enlistees. However, if the person became disabled while on active duty (even in boot camp), they qualify for benefits and are therefore, a "veteran."

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2022 9:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 21:22:43 -0400

Anything less than 180 days of continuous service was considered an Entry Level Separation

Response by SP5 Alan Rambel made Jul 8 at 2022 2:01 AM

SP5 Alan Rambel — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 02:01:30 -0400

What kind of discharge!?

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Jul 9 at 2022 1:10 PM

PFC Martin Potashner — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 13:10:32 -0400

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Jul 9 at 2022 1:10 PM

PFC Martin Potashner — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 13:10:44 -0400

NOOOOOOOOO

Response by CPL Matthew Malinovsky made Jul 10 at 2022 7:30 AM

CPL Matthew Malinovsky — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 07:30:54 -0400

If one can get 100% disability from getting hurt in basic... Anyone is a veteran after they sign the contract.

Response by MAJ Allan Harrelson made Jul 10 at 2022 6:45 PM

MAJ Allan Harrelson — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 18:45:28 -0400

It's my understanding that to be eligible for any "veteran" benefits, you have to have served 181 ACTIVE days of duty, or was discharged within that 181 days with a 10% or more disability rating.

I believe there are a few exceptions thrown in as well such as Purple Heart, wounded in combat before the 181 days..

I've been retired a few years, so things probably have changed?

Response by PFC(P) Cheryl Vessella made Jul 10 at 2022 8:53 PM

PFC(P) Cheryl Vessella — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 20:53:57 -0400

Nope, they are absolutely NOT a Veteran!! First off they didn’t even finish AIT…come on.
Plus they didn’t do Any active duty whatsoever, you have to do active duty or even National Guards or Active Reserves in order to be a Veteran. That’s a Slap in the face to all our US Military Men and Women who Actually Serve our Country!!!!

Response by PO2 John Holly made Jul 11 at 2022 3:55 PM

PO2 John Holly — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 15:55:07 -0400

I'm a veteran of 12 years, was honorably discharged under medical reasons. A catastrophic injury (TBI), when I got back to the states, I needed to have the front part of my skull removed from just above my eyebrows to above my ears to get the injury repaired. Now that said the person above should be considered a Vet because they signed up and reports for duty. Now should they have access to the VA medical system? NO, not at all. The VA is already over taxed with patients. Sometimes it takes me 4 to 6 months to get seen by my primary physician. Most time I have to use the ER to get seen, which is something I hate doing, but when the pain gets unbearable, what am I to do
So in conclusion, yes to Veteran, NO to benefits

Response by MAJ Janice Campbell. BSN, RN, CNOR made Jul 12 at 2022 11:16 AM

MAJ Janice Campbell. BSN, RN, CNOR — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 11:16:18 -0400

I appreciate their desire to serve, but, they didn't serve, so no.

Response by TSgt David Olson made Jul 12 at 2022 12:26 PM

TSgt David Olson — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 12:26:06 -0400

Absolutely not. End of discussion.

Response by PO3 Jon Hodson made Jul 12 at 2022 5:41 PM

PO3 Jon Hodson — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:41:18 -0400

No way. Failing to complete trading, just means you are a failure, not a veteran.

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Jul 15 at 2022 8:57 PM

SPC Matt Ovaska — Fri, 15 Jul 2022 20:57:26 -0400

She is almost an AIT veteran. Almost counts in hand grenades and horseshoes.

Response by Sgt Stephen Chiles made Jul 25 at 2022 6:30 PM

Sgt Stephen Chiles — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 18:30:16 -0400

If there was a service related injury during that time in serviceand the discharge is Honorable, isn't that all that matters? I am not saying that I agree with it but isn't that the protocol? Now, if they left for other reasons, and call themselves a veteran, I do have an issue with it and will challenge it every time; and have.

Response by PFC David Lambert made Aug 6 at 2022 2:49 AM

PFC David Lambert — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 02:49:09 -0400

So many of these folks have their hopes and dreams destroyed by the frailty of their body or mind and suffer daily for the rest of their days that they couldn't make it. Every one of us went through boot and it changed us fundamentally at our core. Many of these folks were part of these same changes without the honor of being able to be proud of that which followed. They cling to it for the rest of their days as if it is a trauma and they lie to themselves and others to give themselves the illusion of their value. It's very sad.

This persons mentioned by the OP is not exaggerating their service. This says something about them. There is no harm in their speech since there is no lie in it. Let them call themselves what they will as long as they are not doing so at the detriment of the service, the dishonor of other service members or to gain fame or notoriety/benefits that they have no right to claim.

Response by A1C Constance Lynne Clark made Sep 4 at 2022 2:32 PM

A1C Constance Lynne Clark — Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:28 -0400

She’s not a quitter! Quit stereotyping people. You don’t know why she got out. Maybe she was raped! You freakin do not have the authority to say what you answered here! Too many Americans are that way—coz they maybe grew up thinking that eay and never experienced things to get them to see other perspectives!

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made Oct 5 at 2022 10:06 AM

CWO3 Robert Fong — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 10:06:02 -0400

Spec, a big NOPE!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2022 3:35 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Oct 2022 15:35:28 -0400

I disagree with MSG Flood, but he has valid points.
She is a veteran.

Response by PO2 Steven Casley made Oct 17 at 2022 2:14 PM

PO2 Steven Casley — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:14:51 -0400

NOPE!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2022 3:01 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Nov 2022 15:01:22 -0400

-38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides:

The term "veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.

-38 U.S.C. § 101(24) provides:

The term “active military, naval, or air service” includes—

(A)active duty;

(B)any period of active duty for training during which the individual concerned was disabled or died from a disease or injury incurred or aggravated in line of duty; and

(C)any period of inactive duty training during which the individual concerned was disabled or died—

(i) from an injury incurred or aggravated in line of duty; or
(ii)from an acute myocardial infarction, a cardiac arrest, or a cerebrovascular accident occurring during such training.

38 U.S.C. § 101(21) provides:

The term “active duty” means—

(A)full-time duty in the Armed Forces, other than active duty for training;

(B)full-time duty (other than for training purposes) as a commissioned officer of the Regular or Reserve Corps of the Public Health Service (i) on or after July 29, 1945, or (ii) before that date under circumstances affording entitlement to “full military benefits” or (iii) at any time, for the purposes of chapter 13 of this title;

(C)full-time duty as a commissioned officer of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or its predecessor organization the Coast and Geodetic Survey (i) on or after July 29, 1945, or (ii) before that date (I) while on transfer to one of the Armed Forces, or (II) while, in time of war or national emergency declared by the President, assigned to duty on a project for one of the Armed Forces in an area determined by the Secretary of Defense to be of immediate military hazard, or (III) in the Philippine Islands on December 7, 1941, and continuously in such islands thereafter, or (iii) at any time, for the purposes of chapter 13 of this title;

(D)service as a cadet at the United States Military, Air Force, or Coast Guard Academy, or as a midshipman at the United States Naval Academy; and

(E)authorized travel to or from such duty or service.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2022 8:55 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 08:55:47 -0400

No. I don't really care what the law says about being in for one day or whatever. In my opinion, 180 days or at least make it thru AIT and get qualified in your MOS before you can talk to me about anything. I guess there is always a case-by-case basis.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Nov 2 at 2022 10:13 AM

Cpl Vic Burk — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 10:13:06 -0400

We don't have enough information to make a judgement. Did the person in question get injured in training to the point where they received a medical discharge? If that is the case, then I would say, "Yes, a Veteran."

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Nov 2 at 2022 11:06 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 11:06:38 -0400

Across the board, a person must serve 6 months (180 days) of service to be considered a veteran and obtain veteran benefits such as the VA. if s/he was medically discharged with a military connected injury and is given medical care or compensation by the military, they may. but not necessarily be a veteran. Back in my Marine Corps days, every Marine served no less than 6 months. We even called the reservist "6 month Reservists." Once a recruit completes boot training, they are a Marine. That does not mean they are a veteran. When I was in the Army National Guard, nobody really talked about it. When does a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, become an official part of their branch of service and are they considered a veteran? I know many who were in for a short period and died in combat. Regardless of their length of service, they are veterans. I had one guy in my recruit platoon who came in in the middle of May and died two days after Christmas of the same year in Vietnam. 7 months.

Response by Pvt Mark Murray made Nov 2 at 2022 9:04 PM

Pvt Mark Murray — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 21:04:40 -0400

There are many answers to this and I appreciate everyone's opinions on it. I though am one of those that served a short time. I was injured part of the way through basic and spent the next couple months attempting to heal and get back to training. I was a little older had a wife (ex wife now) and child back home. I was told what they thought I had done was going to take a long time to heal and we could prove it and do a test that would be 6 month wait list before they could schedule me for it, and once proven I'd be "retired" and I would be wait 6 months to a year on paperwork for that to go through. My other option was to be discharged with a normal medical discharge and come home and attempt to heal and possible go to the VA system for help. I took option to because of my child. Even upon getting into the VA system with a service connected disability I never felt like a Vet, I certainly hadn't done what many others had, even though I was in pain and had an injury that was bad for over 3 years and still gives me issues even now. Then one day I got the pleasure of talking to a WWII vet. I thanked him for his service and he asked me if I thought about serving so I told him what had happened....to which he thanked me for my service. This shocked me...he told me so many don't make it back, to stand up and be recognized if not for myself then for those that didn't get to do so. So I listened, and I do stand up when it's asked, I support those still serving as best as I can and do what I can when I know there is a Vet that needs help somehow. I still don't feel like a Vet, but I do have Veteran status. It can be argued the days or years served, or any other argument you wish, but think before you judge, if they have the ability to claim it and the government verifies it, and as long as they aren't making up stories and they are truthful of their time in, that's all that should really matter.

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Nov 4 at 2022 12:38 AM

SFC Howard Holmes — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 00:38:01 -0400

Didn't finish AIT, no, I wouldn't call him a veteran, but I do know there are turds out there who got kicked out of BCT, became alcoholics, or drug addicts, blamed it on the military and are considered 100% by DVA. I served 36 years and can't get 100%. But no, I wouldn't consider them veterans, but my viewpoint doesn't dictate what is considered a Veteran, I suppose the DVA makes that determination.

Response by SPC Hannah Maxwell made Nov 4 at 2022 2:08 PM

SPC Hannah Maxwell — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 14:08:16 -0400

i agree that this coworker is not a veteran. but why assume shes a woman? i know plenty of POS men who say they are veterans but didnt make it past AIT. why is the assumption that they are a woman?

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2022 9:19 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 09:19:20 -0400

It doesn't really matter what I think about it. The VA's opinion is the one that matters. Why bother gate keeping who is a veteran or not when there's laws and organizations that already do that.

Further more does it really matter? No one really takes these veteran claims seriously when they hear the backstory.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Nov 5 at 2022 7:34 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 19:34:25 -0400

I guess with your thinking a guy that I served with would not be a Veteran either. He blew out his left knee in BCT/AIT OSUT unit. They had to fuse his upper and lower leg. He was medically discharged with a 40% disability rating. He never finished training, but according to the V.A. he is a Veteran.

Response by COL Brian Jalbert made Nov 6 at 2022 9:36 AM

COL Brian Jalbert — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 09:36:03 -0500

Quitter or not, if she has a DD-214, she's a veteran.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Nov 6 at 2022 5:23 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:23:05 -0500

For me personally, he/ she is a veteran. If you made it through basic that's enough for me.
As far as the law, in the entitlements, ask the VA

Response by SSgt Patricia Boyer/Rossi made Nov 6 at 2022 8:04 PM

SSgt Patricia Boyer/Rossi — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:04:08 -0500

I do not consider that a veteran. I feel to be a veteran you must serve at least 20 years or have participated in a war. You would not believe how many people are barely in 4 years with no overseas time, that try to get VA benefits for them and their wife for the rest of their life. And wear vet hats everywhere pronouncing it….pet peeve of mine.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Nov 6 at 2022 9:44 PM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:44:36 -0500

120 days is the standard the VA uses. That is the law.

Circumstances notwithstanding, the person is a vet.

Response by Sgt John Curtin made Nov 7 at 2022 9:02 AM

Sgt John Curtin — Mon, 07 Nov 2022 09:02:38 -0500

No. Not a veteran.

Response by Brad Miller made Nov 14 at 2022 2:45 AM

Brad Miller — Mon, 14 Nov 2022 02:45:41 -0500

WHY were they out? Critical injury? Mentally unfit? Bad conduct?

Response by LT Steven Sterry made Dec 4 at 2022 9:23 PM

LT Steven Sterry — Sun, 04 Dec 2022 21:23:35 -0500

It depends upon what their discharge papers say. If he or she was given a disability rating by the military service or the VA, then he or she is a veteran. Other than that, no.

For example, if the person suffered a debilitating accident while in basic training or during AIT, then he or she might be considered a veteran.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Dec 8 at 2022 6:24 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Thu, 08 Dec 2022 18:24:39 -0500

As long as you get an honorable discharge and it is not something you can control, you are a Veteran. PERIOD. Say 4 months in, you are injured in training, service connected, you are a Veteran. If whatever happened is beyond your control, it does not matter how long you served. You signed, put on the uniform, served and just because something not in your control happened, it does not diminish the fact you took the step to serve and did so until the situation changed.

If you cried for momma and were sent home, if you just could not hack it and went home, if you were a major screwup and booted out.. you are not a Veteran, however.

Response by SFC Ronald Moore made Dec 8 at 2022 7:16 PM

SFC Ronald Moore — Thu, 08 Dec 2022 19:16:41 -0500

Anyone willing to sign and offer their service and receive honorable discharge is worthy of veteran status.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2022 7:26 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Dec 2022 19:26:14 -0500

Nope. Just point and laugh.

Response by PFC David Widener made Dec 23 at 2022 5:47 AM

PFC David Widener — Fri, 23 Dec 2022 05:47:51 -0500

Until you have been assigned a NON training (basic/AIT) unit you are NOT a veteran. I don't care who they think they are. If they say they are a vet I put them in the same boat as those that commit *stolen valor*

Response by Cpl Paul Aycock made Dec 23 at 2022 11:31 AM

Cpl Paul Aycock — Fri, 23 Dec 2022 11:31:04 -0500

Need to see the DD214. To see enlistment date and discharge date. I sprained my ankle at MCRD Parris Island. I didn't drop to med hold. I lucked out the next week was service week. My DIs fought to keep me. Normally it results in a med hold to recover. My sister broke her arm so bad at MCRD PI she had to have surgery and have pins put in. I consider her a fellow Marine.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2022 9:00 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 24 Dec 2022 21:00:10 -0500

I would give kudos for at least attempting to serve...being most don't. But unfortunately, giving that troop a "VETERAN" status would be a no-go.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Dec 25 at 2022 11:33 AM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Sun, 25 Dec 2022 11:33:06 -0500

The answer is we each get to define the term based in our personal code. There used to be a category called 'Active Duty For Training' ACDUTRA. You went to basic then AIT or similar initial training and returned home. Some were called up to active duty. There was a different discharge certificate for ACDUTRA personnel.

My criteria is if they had been called would they have went? If they say no they are dead to me.

Response by PVT Bobbi Adams made Dec 25 at 2022 11:53 AM

PVT Bobbi Adams — Sun, 25 Dec 2022 11:53:59 -0500

I don't know. I signed that contract, completed basic training, and AIT.

Response by PO2 Jay Stotler made Dec 25 at 2022 7:25 PM

PO2 Jay Stotler — Sun, 25 Dec 2022 19:25:58 -0500

Veterans have horrible discharge I would bet that’s a medical and not for wounded in action .
If it makes them feel important or something not much of a person in my book.

Response by PFC Steven Kleiner made Dec 30 at 2022 12:06 PM

PFC Steven Kleiner — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:06:51 -0500

I agree with everyone else, This person would not be a veteran.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Dec 30 at 2022 12:08 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:08:43 -0500

If for any reason someone has to leave through no fault of their own, and still would like to serve, I would call a vet. If the conditions of this separation allow for Veteran Benefits, then the VA considers them a vet too. I would only have an issue if they didn't meet thes marks, or claims to be more than this. Someone who served with honor and admits this was their service record, then this is a Brother or Sister.

Response by SSG John Lasseigne made Dec 30 at 2022 12:12 PM

SSG John Lasseigne — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:12:00 -0500

In my opinion there's a bit of nuance to the issue. Anyone who gets out without completing initial entry training is an entry level separation. If the SM is separated due to injury that causes them to no longer be medically fit for service, they should be considered a vet and be entitled to veteran benefits. Entry level Separation for reasons like failure to adapt, failure to meet standards, etc ... should be as if the SM never enlisted ( no veteran status)

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Dec 30 at 2022 12:24 PM

SPC Donald Moore — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:24:35 -0500

This question is from five years ago, I have answered it at least twice before. Why does this keep getting brought up? Find something else to concern yourslves with.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2022 12:28 PM

CDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:28:26 -0500

A veteran is someone who served in the defense of this country. If you were still preparing to do that service and never really completed the entrance exam to actually serve, you probably have not earned the title. Regardless of time requirements or what the rules say. If you Joined the Navy and died in a fire pulling people out of a building in boot camp with 12 days of service, You are a veteran.

Response by SSG Harry Williams made Dec 30 at 2022 12:46 PM

SSG Harry Williams — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 12:46:20 -0500

No would not even consider him one. By no means

Response by SPC Frank Rizzo made Dec 30 at 2022 1:01 PM

SPC Frank Rizzo — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:01:42 -0500

We all know the answer and truth, I'll just leave it at that. The VA considers 180 days of active duty eligiable for VA beneifits. I have a good friend who I dated in high school and college, we just went our seperate ways. Well we reconnected and had a few good laughs. Her husband was in the Navy for six years and had many sea deployments. He was always on a Med or Atlantic boat and never in the Pacific or South China Sea, he wears all the Vietnam Vet costumes and pretends he was in Vietnam. I just shake my head and keep my mouth shut. I told her he was not qualified to claim to be a Vietnam Vet, this created some tension and changed our friendship. I was United States Army Security Agency. Originaly sent to Thailand then TDY to PHU BAI until I was in a Huey shoot down. It is what it is and I dont make a big deal about my experience. I have many friends who were trigger pullers and had it %1000 worse than i did. Just my 2 cents

Response by SPC Frank Rizzo made Dec 30 at 2022 1:05 PM

SPC Frank Rizzo — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:05:03 -0500

Those who sit and wait also serve!

Response by SP5 John Fitzgerald made Dec 30 at 2022 1:13 PM

SP5 John Fitzgerald — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:13:47 -0500

No on fail to finish basic or AIT. Serve a full, honorable enlistment or draft or released involuntarily for some legitimate medical issue, e.g., training or combat injury, debilitating illness.

Response by SPC Tamara Trammell made Dec 30 at 2022 1:14 PM

SPC Tamara Trammell — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:14:30 -0500

There are official definitions, legal definitions, and there's what you feel.
We had guys who put their all into training and had to quit early for different reasons. Unquestioningly they have my respect, but I would not call them veterans.
I went to my first active duty unit with two fellow graduates. One was discharged six months after graduation with a failure to adapt and I wouldn't call them a fellow veteran -at the time, I wouldn't have called them an adult, either. The other I would have fought tooth and nail anyone denying her status as a vet within our first month (she earned it solid.)

Then you have nuts who serve 23 years, four of them overseas, get shot multiple times, and are an absolute legend to anyone who knew them but insist they are a real 'veteran' because they served in peace time.
My greatest military accomplishment was convincing my dad his career counted.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2022 1:20 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:20:57 -0500

No! My personal opinion if you completed a term honorably or have deployed you should be able to be called a Veteran. That's just an opinion

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made Dec 30 at 2022 1:23 PM

GySgt Jack Wallace — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:23:59 -0500

No. A want-a-be veteran..Non- hacker for sure.

Response by SSG Ted Strachan made Dec 30 at 2022 1:25 PM

SSG Ted Strachan — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:25:18 -0500

If the person in question was discharged after that amount of time through no fault of their own and was unable to rectify the situation so as to continue on then I would personally refer to that person as a veteran. That being said, the 180-days-of-service rule would appear to legally deny them veteran status, so me calling them a "veteran" would simply be a personal courtesy on my part, with no other standing.

Response by SSG Clarence Espen made Dec 30 at 2022 1:26 PM

SSG Clarence Espen — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:26:59 -0500

In my mind opinion, active service beyond basic / advance training should be required for veteran status as a member of a regular component. A member of a reserve component becomes a veteran upon mobilization into active federal service. The only exception being discharged for an injury/disability incurred during training.

Response by CPT Robert Huddleston made Dec 30 at 2022 2:25 PM

CPT Robert Huddleston — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 14:25:45 -0500

Completion of your duty, with an Honorable Discharge…that’s my take on it.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2022 2:58 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 14:58:56 -0500

I think the definition as LtCol Bentley quotes below is quite clear. Any additional interpretation someone layers on top of that is divisive and unrealistic. Are only those on the pointy end of the spear entitled to be called veterans as some comments imply? The co-worker in question is a veteran and entitled to all the benefits that entails.

Response by SSG Victor Staples made Dec 30 at 2022 3:32 PM

SSG Victor Staples — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 15:32:41 -0500

No didn't finish AIT didn't become a veteran....

Response by CPL Almenia Hussey made Dec 30 at 2022 5:05 PM

CPL Almenia Hussey — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 17:05:18 -0500

If a person vowed to give her life, took on the the responsibilities of learning and dedicating their life to their fellow comrade and country but for some unforeseen reason cannot fulfill the duties to the standard of the military and has to be discharged medically, she or he is a veteran. I'm a disabled veteran and I fought in no combats, but I have scars, memories and a sense of duty and knowledge that is unique and forever a part of me.

Response by PVT Shawn McDonnell made Dec 30 at 2022 6:47 PM

PVT Shawn McDonnell — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 18:47:51 -0500

Yes, 180 consecutive days of honorable (or acceptable) active duty service is required, to be officially considered a Veteran.

Response by SSG Earl Corp made Dec 31 at 2022 12:04 AM

SSG Earl Corp — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 00:04:34 -0500

It would be interesting if your friend went to the VA and tried to obtain benefits. My guess would be a resounding no. Not that is the only requirement to be considered a veteran, but somebody below answered they didn’t complete AIT and was further assigned to a regular unit. Just out of curiosity, does this “veteran” wear apparel such as a hat or a shirt saying they’re a vet? If she/he is claiming veteran status introduce them publicly to someone you know is a real veteran. I’ll bet they shut up in a hurry or get barbecued when they try to talk Yang to a real veteran just sit back and watch the show.

Response by SFC Joseph Behmke made Dec 31 at 2022 4:11 AM

SFC Joseph Behmke — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 04:11:44 -0500

No, if you never served for at least 6 months after Basic or AIT. Unless you were deployed right away. He would be classified as Pryor Service, not as a veteran.

Response by CPL Stephen Maddaloni made Dec 31 at 2022 6:30 AM

CPL Stephen Maddaloni — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 06:30:36 -0500

WAS THAT PERSON SEPARATED MEDICALLY OR UNDER SOME OTHER HONORABLE CAUSE THEN YES. IF DD THEN HELL NO.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Dec 31 at 2022 7:33 AM

SGT Bill Braniff — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 07:33:25 -0500

One bullet coming your way will make you an automatic Veteran. After that doesn't count.

Response by SPC Trinity Downing made Dec 31 at 2022 8:07 AM

SPC Trinity Downing — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 08:07:31 -0500

This is a very interesting question. The severity of the injury is in question here. If the injury was such that they truly were no longer able to complete their commitment and were medically discharged due to that injury. I personally know someone that I had struggled with calling a veteran until I learned the extent of the injury they had during the second portion of their training. They were in 7 months, but never made it to a permanent station and I even feel as though they do not understand what it is like to truly serve. They were more than ready to serve their time and do their duty to their country but the injury kept them from physically being able to. A sprained ankle and depression is an excuse and the effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters.

Response by PO1 M.J. Shute made Dec 31 at 2022 11:37 AM

PO1 M.J. Shute — Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:37:18 -0500

Personally, I wouldn't consider that person a veteran. Why did they get out after only 5 months? Couldn't hack the training or actual service? I'd have to agree with MSG Scotty Flood in that it's a slap in the face to those who served and sacrificed.

Response by SGT Kenneth Dye made Jan 12 at 2023 12:28 PM

SGT Kenneth Dye — Thu, 12 Jan 2023 12:28:39 -0500

They have to have served 180 consecutive days to qualify as a veteran. Nothing else matters. If they didn’t do 180, they are not entitled to call themselves a veteran legally.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2023 11:37 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2023 11:37:37 -0500

I'd say it depends on who you ask. I served 26 years, of which over 25 years were AD (started out AR, then went on AD). As a SM who had multiple medical/support MOS's (and one as a translator) who was HD'd in 2005 when I retired, I likely would have seen actual combat as an infantryman, tanker, artillery or other trooper w/ a combat MOS. Nevertheless the injuries that led to my disabilities occurred enroute to an assignment in a foreign country, when my vehicle got blown up, and it was one of my fellow support soldiers who literally saved ny bacon by risking her life to pull me to safety while I was unconscious and seriously injured. In spite of this I know of some SM's and many civilians, who, with regard to support MOS's, very adamantly insist that only a "true combat veteran" is a veteran.

I consider this thinking a personal insult to me, as I know for damn sure that I'm a "real" veteran, and that I earned my place in our community/society with pride and motivation, and I would do it again. I find it shameful that some would even consider that someone with my history is not a veteran (once I was even confronted by a civilian(!) in the checkout line at a Home Depot, who asked me what I had done to deserve a discount, and when I said I was an Army veteran he asked what I had done while I was on AD, and when I told him he tried to tell me I didn't qualify to be treated as a veteran...long story- good thing my niece was with me...). Anyway, as I said this wasn't the first person I was aware of with such views. I guess I just don't get how some people don't get it that no part of the military is totally independently able to accomplish their mission(s) without everybody in the chain, because w/o support MOS's there is no front line and nobody gets anywhere, right? All I know is being blown up in a far-off, foreign country and almost dying as a result should qualify.

As for the person being discharged after 5 months, I guess I need more concrete info to give a qualified opinion in that particular case...I guess my views would be similar to SPC Trinity Downing's views on this issue.

Thanks everyone for tolerating my venting, and please excuse my refusal to play around with what I call the "new" english language rules, where I no longer know what all the scholars out there want (words capitolized, or puncuated differently, etc./whatever), as I went to school in the 60's and I still write as it was taught back then. I also don't care for the slow "britishization" of our english in the US (a pet-peev of mine, but alas, I demur...)

Warriors Forever!
-Ed Boles

Response by Sgt Paula Bright made Feb 2 at 2023 4:09 AM

Sgt Paula Bright — Thu, 02 Feb 2023 04:09:51 -0500

Response by SSgt Ryan Pittenger made Feb 2 at 2023 9:36 AM

SSgt Ryan Pittenger — Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:36:51 -0500

Nope, he is no veteran.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2023 4:28 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2023 16:28:23 -0500

Almost, but not quite.

Response by Maj Joan Marine made Feb 2 at 2023 10:13 PM

Maj Joan Marine — Thu, 02 Feb 2023 22:13:01 -0500

You have to serve 6 months, and get an honorable d/c to be a Veteran, that is USAF policy from a PA, friend of mine, in San Antonio. She worked the basic in the basic training area.

Response by SPC Kari Campiotti made Feb 3 at 2023 2:17 AM

SPC Kari Campiotti — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 02:17:41 -0500

If she was preggers or some other prescribed reason, then it is possible. Grow up, mive on, focus on what YOU DID and do.

Response by SFC Stevie Kyles made Feb 3 at 2023 9:37 AM

SFC Stevie Kyles — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 09:37:36 -0500

We had a Soldier have an injury discovered in AIT. After an unprecedented investigation, it was determined the injury occurred but was blown-off by Cadre in basic training. Soldier continued to train, and unfortunately the injury got to the point where a medical discharge was necessary. Due to the neglect in basic training, this individual left the service with a 100% disability rating, and no MOS. Veteran? The VA sure thinks so

Response by Sgt Dennis Peskey made Feb 3 at 2023 3:49 PM

Sgt Dennis Peskey — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 15:49:14 -0500

Nope.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2023 3:58 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 15:58:29 -0500

They didn’t complete the minimum 180 days to be considered a veteran. Probably got put out for failure to adapt and/or did something wrong, failed her physical tests, failed AIT…

Response by MSG Darren Gaddy made Feb 3 at 2023 6:12 PM

MSG Darren Gaddy — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 18:12:12 -0500

Think about it like this. Every unit has to report their Unit Status to Big Army. Certain things make your unit deployable and effects it’s readiness, one of them being MOSQ. (Qualified). This Soldier didn’t even complete AIT so no Unit can use him/her or count them. This person is a zero. It’s like getting an annulment or saying it never really happened, so no this civil is not a VET!

Response by SN Tammy Sherrill made Feb 3 at 2023 8:27 PM

SN Tammy Sherrill — Fri, 03 Feb 2023 20:27:41 -0500

It depends. Did the service discharge them or was it their choice? If the service discharged them, then I would say yes. If they decided to get out, then I would say no.

Response by SPC Robert Montoya made Feb 4 at 2023 6:38 AM

SPC Robert Montoya — Sat, 04 Feb 2023 06:38:54 -0500

SPC Goerz, I will always be leery of the "Stolen Valor" crowd, but I have also learned to temper my judgment of others and seek additional information before I crucify them based solely on my ignorance of their situation.

Yes, there are Official definitions provided by the DOD and VA for the purpose of determining any allowed benefits, but that's not always the full story. Obviously, I don't know your co-worker but I did have the privilege of going through BCT with one of the most athletic, proud, and Patriotic Soldiers I have ever served with only to find out that they would be medically discharged, upon graduation, for a so-called genetic problem that was missed during MEPS.

I have served in combat theatre operations across the pond, and not always with the most honorable among us. So YES, even though my sister-in-arms didn't even begin AIT, I consider her a Veteran.

Response by SSG Joseph King made Feb 4 at 2023 5:33 PM

SSG Joseph King — Sat, 04 Feb 2023 17:33:05 -0500

Hell, I sprained my ankle the day before I left for boot camp playing football.
I went thru Basis AND AIT. Got up and ran every morning. Marched over agony, heartbreak, and misery, straight to the gas chamber. And that's how I started my military career 0f 23 years. Hell, no... your co-worker is not a veteran.

Response by SPC George Walborn made Feb 4 at 2023 7:58 PM

SPC George Walborn — Sat, 04 Feb 2023 19:58:25 -0500

if they got out after 5 months no I don’t consider that a veteran

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Feb 5 at 2023 10:35 AM

SGT Peter Hayes — Sun, 05 Feb 2023 10:35:10 -0500

I think you have to complete 180 days. of active duty

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2023 2:11 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2023 14:11:24 -0500

It takes 6 months of active duty service to recive any benefits.

Response by PO1 Mike Edgecomb made Feb 5 at 2023 2:50 PM

PO1 Mike Edgecomb — Sun, 05 Feb 2023 14:50:36 -0500

The legal definition depends on what type of discharge, why, and the time period of service varies.

In my eyes - NO. I would be embarrassed to go around calling myself a Veteran having served only 5 months.

I know a person that suffered a nervous breakdown in Marine Corps Boot Camp. Is receiving 100% disability, and full benefits for the last 50 years! Wears a USMC ballcap!

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Feb 5 at 2023 6:08 PM

CPL Raul Perez Jr — Sun, 05 Feb 2023 18:08:42 -0500

Negative. We don’t give out participation medals.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2023 6:51 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2023 18:51:42 -0500

I think there is a tradition in that you would need to actually get to your first duty station before you can claim the status of Veteran.
Kindly do respect rank, no need to jump on each other like we were starved sharks or something... We as veterans should have higher standards

Response by SPC Sean Bayliss made Feb 5 at 2023 7:06 PM

SPC Sean Bayliss — Sun, 05 Feb 2023 19:06:09 -0500

No, that individual didn't serve. Washed out of AIT doesn't make you a Vet.

Response by Capt Dennis Tague made Feb 5 at 2023 10:00 PM

Capt Dennis Tague — Sun, 05 Feb 2023 22:00:56 -0500

I knew one who sprained his ankle on the third day of basic and rode the government gravy train for at least 30 years, hopping from one VA domiciliary to another.

Response by A1C Jj Birchard made Feb 6 at 2023 7:25 AM

A1C Jj Birchard — Mon, 06 Feb 2023 07:25:05 -0500

I hear this, I hear that. Seems someone should have the skinny in this vexing question.

Response by SSgt Patrick Duncan made Feb 6 at 2023 2:42 PM

SSgt Patrick Duncan — Mon, 06 Feb 2023 14:42:33 -0500

I thought you had to serve 6 months to get veterans benefits.

Response by SSG James Knopp made Feb 7 at 2023 2:44 PM

SSG James Knopp — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 14:44:38 -0500

I think if everyone knew the reason for their release then we would have a better understanding of their circumstances. We’re looking at a blank canvas which to paint a picture but don’t know what to paint.
Some people, with good intentions, want to serve, but then find “it’s not their cup of tea”. The truth is in the DD214.

Response by SGT Roger L Holle made Feb 7 at 2023 10:07 PM

SGT Roger L Holle — Tue, 07 Feb 2023 22:07:52 -0500

It all depends on how the DD-214 done. Take is to a VSO. Veterans Service Officer. Any of the Three major Associations out there, Disabled American Veterans, American Legion, Or the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Any of these will be glad to help you and you friend to clarify and then recruit you so you can then help other veterans to learn more about their discharges more. So much more to learn.

Response by SSG James Bradshaw made Feb 8 at 2023 3:40 AM

SSG James Bradshaw — Wed, 08 Feb 2023 03:40:10 -0500

NO!

Response by SPC David Elzinga made Feb 8 at 2023 2:00 PM

SPC David Elzinga — Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:00:29 -0500

Simple,did they graduate from AIT, I made it through Basic training and AIT, but failed the last PT test, didn’t graduate, i was not a veteran
Did return couple of years later past everything and graduated, served 10 years, that does make me a veteran

Response by SN Tr Winehouse made Feb 8 at 2023 6:27 PM

SN Tr Winehouse — Wed, 08 Feb 2023 18:27:46 -0500

Would you say that to a veteran that got sexually assaulted while in basic and was forced to get medically discharged? Becuz you aren’t being fair. By federal law a person is considered a veteran if they have served 180 consecutive days. PERIOD- you are judging a situation you know nothing about.

Response by SGT Louis Perrault made Mar 5 at 2023 1:42 PM

SGT Louis Perrault — Sun, 05 Mar 2023 13:42:41 -0500

In the 80's it had always been 180 days.

Response by PO3 James Snyder made Mar 18 at 2023 3:36 PM

PO3 James Snyder — Sat, 18 Mar 2023 15:36:18 -0400

I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHY. THEN GO FROM THERE.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Apr 16 at 2023 12:37 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:37:50 -0400

Don't think so since he got put out. Semper Fi

Response by CPL David Justian made Apr 16 at 2023 10:27 PM

CPL David Justian — Sun, 16 Apr 2023 22:27:24 -0400

I listen to veterans argue about who is a “combat” veteran. It may not be advisable to argue about who is a veteran , especially when the VA and Federsl Law settles the point. An enlisted citizen injured in the line of duty, even if it’s in Basic Training or AIT and then Honorably Discharged … well?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2023 7:18 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2023 07:18:23 -0400

Yeah, they are letting New Recruits do that now... I know a person who did 5mths also who claimed the hurt their back and knees in Basic Training & now they out getting

Response by SGT Reginald Hardy made Apr 17 at 2023 1:12 PM

SGT Reginald Hardy — Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:12:27 -0400

Ah no.

Response by SFC Richard Davidson made Apr 17 at 2023 2:57 PM

SFC Richard Davidson — Mon, 17 Apr 2023 14:57:26 -0400

If I remember correctly, by the VA's definition, is 180 active duty after your initial entry training or complete 6 years as a reservist. There are medical exceptions to that rule, such as getting medically discharged so just depends.

Response by PV2 Danny Hall made Apr 18 at 2023 3:08 PM

PV2 Danny Hall — Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:08:33 -0400

I served a year and 11 months. Frigged myself up in Airborne School (permanant profile). Had to reclass from Rigger to SATCOM. Got pulled from AIT FOUR DAYS FROM COMPLETION and discharged for Chapter 18 in 1997. My second wife was going through my paperwork in 2000 and found where my leaders were fudging my info on the BMI paperwork by decreasing my overall height each time I was tested. Went from 66in on the paperwork to a final height of 60in. NO WONDER I showed as not losing weight even though I was. I stood up, raised my hand, took an oath, and did my damnedest to serve. I am a veteran.

There is a difference between a Veteran and a Combat Veteran. If we receive Honorable Discharges, then yes, we are Veterans.

Response by SPC Pat Ras made Apr 18 at 2023 3:45 PM

SPC Pat Ras — Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:45:24 -0400

I would consider that a Veteran. A man signs up faithfully to serve his country then has an unusual physical ailment due to only being enlisted. Now, how do we repair all physical issues each and every Veteran suffered from including help with eskoskelton bionics?

Response by MGySgt Douglas Todd made Apr 18 at 2023 8:21 PM

MGySgt Douglas Todd — Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:21:40 -0400

NO, The reality is, if an individual has not performed anything other than initial training, they are just a washed out recruit, period.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Apr 19 at 2023 1:06 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:06:56 -0400

Uh.... W H A T ?
Well Let Me Think About This.....
Oh HELL NO.!
Yup, I Thought Long Enough

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2023 9:51 AM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:51:19 -0400

Depends on what their DD-214 indicates not unsubstantiated rumors!

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Apr 19 at 2023 11:45 AM

SP5 Donna Barr — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 11:45:05 -0400

Soldiers are Beasts of the Foot; if your ankle is fckd up, they can't use you. I remember someone who had to leave because turned out she was allergic to wool AND starch. Anyway, the whole wringing of the hands over who is a vet is really because military despises the citizens WHO PAY FOR EVERYTHING, boots to bullets, and why we have to jump through billions of hoops at the VA, because oh dearie me some civilian might get some Darvon.

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Apr 19 at 2023 11:45 AM

SP5 Donna Barr — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 11:45:32 -0400

Response by Sgt Gary Thompson made Apr 20 at 2023 5:38 AM

Sgt Gary Thompson — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 05:38:37 -0400

Absolutely not , ask him or her if he signed up at a college and went to class for a few weeks and drops out does he think he has a degree?

Response by AB Blake Bowers made Apr 20 at 2023 7:57 AM

AB Blake Bowers — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 07:57:42 -0400

If someone has served 18 years and gets involved with a murder causing him to be discharged, does that mean he was never a veteran? Not knowing why he was discharged makes it extremely tough to give you an answer.

Response by SP6 Genevieve Zartman made Apr 20 at 2023 8:04 AM

SP6 Genevieve Zartman — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 08:04:49 -0400

Ahhhhh....NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SGT Victor Negrete made Apr 20 at 2023 9:32 AM

SGT Victor Negrete — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 09:32:34 -0400

Absolutely, not a Veteran.

Response by PO3 James Polichak made Apr 20 at 2023 11:01 AM

PO3 James Polichak — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:01:47 -0400

According to the VA anyone who is 65 or older and living below the poverty level is entitled to a VA Pension over $1,000.00 per month if they served one day in any of the armed services during a period of war.
When I entered the USNR in 1974 the Vietnam War was winding down and I missed getting the National Defense Medal by three weeks. I served at RTC/NTC/ORL/FLA processing recruits in boot camp who, also, did not qualify for the medal.
The Vietnam War Era was extended until the American withdrawal from Saigon which we watched on TV in our office in Orlando.
So, to reply to "MSG (Verify To See)", the Pentagon disagrees with you.

Response by Cpl James Bliss made Apr 20 at 2023 7:20 PM

Cpl James Bliss — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 19:20:16 -0400

If did not serve 181 days they are not a vet

Response by SFC Edmund Garrard made Apr 21 at 2023 11:09 AM

SFC Edmund Garrard — Fri, 21 Apr 2023 11:09:40 -0400

If he served more than 180 days and was discharged under honorable conditions, then he us consider a veteran.

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Apr 22 at 2023 10:33 AM

SP5 James Elmore — Sat, 22 Apr 2023 10:33:43 -0400

If an honorable discharge yes. https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by 1SG Juan Rodriguez made Apr 23 at 2023 11:37 AM

1SG Juan Rodriguez — Sun, 23 Apr 2023 11:37:28 -0400

Enlisted after September 8, 1980
A minimum service requirement exists. Service members must have served a minimum of 24 months of active duty to be considered a veteran. If the service member becomes disabled because of their time in the service, there is no minimum length of service to qualify for VA benefits.

Response by PFC Eric Rodriguez made Apr 24 at 2023 3:01 PM

PFC Eric Rodriguez — Mon, 24 Apr 2023 15:01:51 -0400

(Bullshit) would have been my response
The word veteran has to be earned by a military service to this country... period.
Even I as an ex-national guardsman have a hard time using that word because I feel that I didn't experience a real sacrifice overseas in a war of any kind. So hell no to this person a veteran of failures.

Response by LCpl Pat Huntley made May 17 at 2023 10:45 AM

LCpl Pat Huntley — Wed, 17 May 2023 10:45:10 -0400

I know "veterans" who have did their whole tour of service (6 years, etc.), and I work with National Guardsmen who have served for over twenty years that kind of feel queazy about calling themselves "veterans" When one think about fellow comrades who gave their lives or spent most of their lives serving their country. Visiting one of the VA hospitals and seeing our disabled veterans with that same fighting spirit they had when they were in uniform, makes you feel like maybe you could have given more or when you take a trip to one of the national cemeteries and realized that so many gave their lives...so that we could live. Some gave all....all gave some. I cannot judge anyone, Let your conscience be your guide. Whether you just graduated boot camp or are a thirty year active duty serviceman, Let us honor those who gave everything by visiting the hospitals and comforting the families of our fallen comrades and do what we can in the ways we can to serve the veteran community.

Response by PFC Joshua Hartman made May 23 at 2023 5:31 PM

PFC Joshua Hartman — Tue, 23 May 2023 17:31:11 -0400

My brother was injured in basic, he was medically discharged. He gets full VA benefits, medical & other. If said person was injured in training then yes they are a non-combat veteran.

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Jun 4 at 2023 8:50 PM

SP5 Wick Humble — Sun, 04 Jun 2023 20:50:32 -0400

Worried about taking bennies, or just the title? I had a friend (hometown kid, went through basic with me in '69) who was killed his second week in "Nam; he had not been in six months, so is he not qualified? His name is on The Black Wall! Think about it and worry about something important.

Response by PO2 Gary Riedl made Jun 4 at 2023 9:12 PM

PO2 Gary Riedl — Sun, 04 Jun 2023 21:12:40 -0400

Technically, yes...ugh.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2023 9:41 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Jun 2023 21:41:59 -0400

I spent 6 years in the peacetime reserves. Never had a minute of active duty that wasn’t considered training. By the government’s definition, I’m not a veteran either.

Response by James Miller made Jun 5 at 2023 12:48 AM

James Miller — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 00:48:17 -0400

I worked for the VA from 1978 till 1981. The Navy sent us a sailor that was being discharged because he couldn't deal with the DI yelling at him. He was sent to the VA from The Navy Great Lakes Training Base because we were the nearest to his home of record awaiting his Discharge. The local DAV representative worked with him and was able to get him certified 100% Service-Connected Disabled at the age of 18. He spent less than three months on active duty and never completed basic training.

Response by SFC Gerald Weiland made Jun 5 at 2023 6:58 AM

SFC Gerald Weiland — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 06:58:48 -0400

Iowa's definition of VETERAN;
§35.1, VETERANS AFFAIRS
2. c. A resident of this state who served on federal active duty, other than training, in the. armed forces of the United States and who was discharged under honorable conditions.

Your co-worker doesn't meet the definition of Veteran. That however doesn't mean they cannot file a disability claim if they were injured on active duty.

Response by PO1 Janice Ritz made Jun 5 at 2023 7:32 AM

PO1 Janice Ritz — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 07:32:09 -0400

I feel that if you are eligible or receiving VA benefits, then you're a vet since they are the ones who determine eligibility. If they can't figure it out, what makes you think we can? LOL

Response by PFC Chiara Love made Jun 5 at 2023 8:03 AM

PFC Chiara Love — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 08:03:01 -0400

Everybody who goes into the military has made the choice to give up a part of their lives to serve. Although our intentions are good our bodies tell us something different. No matter how hard we push our bodies just cannot take it. I feel like anybody who made the choice signed the papers should be given an honorary status because they tried (although they fell).

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2023 8:04 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 08:04:00 -0400

Depends why they left AIT. I believe the VA will classify you as a Veteran if you left before completing training due to a disability or injury sustained during training.

Response by PVT Randall Stutz made Jun 6 at 2023 8:31 AM

PVT Randall Stutz — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 08:31:39 -0400

I would add to this conversation, it depends on how the VA views them. I have a buddy who really messed up his ankle in artillery simulation training. (It’s been almost 40 years and I can still close my eyes and see his swollen foot the next morning. He was given a medical discharge full benefits. He is a veteran because his DD-214 says he is. He has been pulling disability for all these years because the army did what caused him to get out.

Response by Sgt Philip Moore made Jun 6 at 2023 8:32 AM

Sgt Philip Moore — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 08:32:50 -0400

No. To be considered a veteran, you have to at least go through basic training and serve a tour somewhere, whether during wartime or peacetime.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2023 1:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 13:07:52 -0400

It's not up to our opinions, it's what the law says. Would not be prior service, speaking as a recruiter, but for many benefits is probably a veteran, but for some is not.

Response by MAJ Thomas Strickland made Jun 6 at 2023 2:21 PM

MAJ Thomas Strickland — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 14:21:49 -0400

I've seen a lot of "beliefs" and opinions, but what does the law say?
According to https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf
The term "veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. 38 U.S.C. § 101(21) provides: The term “active duty” means— (A) full-time duty in the Armed Forces, other.
It further states:
Service can be for any length of time but must be more than just for training.

SO.... according to the VA, your friend is NOT a veteran because he/she did not complete training.

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2023 8:24 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 20:24:15 -0400

90 days contiguous sevice- injured on active duty, lod concluded...technically the friend IS A VETERAN

Response by PO2 Gerard Dickinson made Jun 7 at 2023 10:58 AM

PO2 Gerard Dickinson — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 10:58:12 -0400

I have a friend in our American Legion who was SAl President and very helpful to our Post. Very patriotic and always volunteering. One day at a veteran function he was talking to a retired recruiter and mentioned that he joined the Air Force but they did not need him. The recruiter asked how long he was in answer was 2.5 months. He finished boot camp and was in a transient barracks for a few weeks and his OIC said they did not have a spot for him so he could continue to sit in a barracks or just go home. He said OK I will just leave. This was the time period between Nam and Gulf War. Our service officer sent a request for a DD214 and it came right away. Honorably discharged no medals or citations. I know weird right. He is now a legitimate member of our post and we are glad to have him.

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Jun 7 at 2023 12:33 PM

Sgt Neil Foster — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 12:33:38 -0400

HELL NO

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jun 7 at 2023 1:15 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 13:15:14 -0400

ANOTHER DEAD HORSE THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT TO SLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN'T NEW TOPICS BE DISCUSSED. THIS ONE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR 3 YEARS. WHO CARES WHAT HE CLAIMS TO BE. HE DOESN'T GET ANY BENEFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response by MSgt Wes Moody made Jun 8 at 2023 5:30 PM

MSgt Wes Moody — Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:30:23 -0400

Not at all

Response by CSM John Cartwright made Jun 9 at 2023 1:13 PM

CSM John Cartwright — Fri, 09 Jun 2023 13:13:11 -0400

I consider that person a QUITTER

Response by SP5 Terry Myers made Jun 10 at 2023 6:51 PM

SP5 Terry Myers — Sat, 10 Jun 2023 18:51:00 -0400

to have the right to be a veteran you must have ben serving with a unit for 6 months after boot and ait and that's by army reg's. and va reg's.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2023 7:29 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jun 2023 07:29:25 -0400

I would say it depends. If after five months you shattered your hip and were medically discharged, then yes you are a vet. But if after five months you decided you didn't like the military and found a way to get out, then no.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2023 9:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 13 Jun 2023 21:51:25 -0400

Personally I do not consider a Soldier that did not complete BCT and AIT a Veteran. The VA may consider them a Veteran, but I do not. Could there be extenuating circumstances that may change my mind on that? Potentially, but only regarding completion of AIT, and it would be on a case-by-case basis (for example, an extremely long AIT that lasts 48 weeks, and the Soldier was seriously injured in the line of duty, requiring medical separation - that might warrant classification as a Veteran).

Non-completion of BCT should mean no Veteran status in my opinion. Whether it does or not, I couldn't say. But, your question wasn't about regulation, it was about opinion.

What I don't understand is why someone who did not complete their training and was never assigned as permanent party to a unit would consider themselves a Veteran to begin with. That's like not finishing the Police Academy but then telling people you were a Police Officer. Were you?

I have a family member that did not complete BCT. He came home after 4 or 5 weeks. He claims he was injured. Was he? I don't know, and I also don't care. If the injury wasn't severe (which, based on how he acted once he came home, I'd assume was the case), then he could have went back after getting medically cleared. He never did. Is he a Veteran? I'm not sure - I've never seen his DD214. I know when he applied for public assistance they told him he should apply for VA Disability. Is he getting VA Disability? Again, I don't know. But, he does wear his BCT dog tags all the time and tells people he "served". Did he?

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Jun 27 at 2023 9:08 PM

CSM Thomas McGarry — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 21:08:01 -0400

Actually according to the American Legion he is a veteran. Under the eligibility requirement which were implemented a few years ago you know only need to have one day of verifiable honorable active duty service to join.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Jul 4 at 2023 10:11 PM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 22:11:19 -0400

NO your co-worker is not a veteran, I served 21 years and now I suffer from several different aliments but I would serve again.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Jul 4 at 2023 10:12 PM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 22:12:35 -0400

NO your co-worker is not a veteran, I served 21 years and now I suffer from several different aliments but I would serve again.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2023 12:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 12:07:02 -0400

That would depend on your coworkers conditions of release. Technically yes if the conditions of release weren’t dishonorable.

Why is it important though?

Response by PO3 William Hals made Jul 5 at 2023 6:47 PM

PO3 William Hals — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 18:47:48 -0400

why was the service time so short - if no farther details - I have no opinion

Response by SSG Adrian Neils made Jul 5 at 2023 8:50 PM

SSG Adrian Neils — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 20:50:23 -0400

According to the D.O.D , Veterans Administration and the Department of Veterans Affairs the official ruling on the actual measure off being a veteran is any military service personnel that have been in an Overseas combat role for a consecutive 30 or more . I served in the Iraq campaign and was in the Army for 21 years. To obtain the actual rules and laws governing what it means to be a veteran, contact a Veterans Service officer. They know and understand what circumstances must be obtained to be a Veteran.

Response by PFC Everett Hennie made Jul 5 at 2023 9:00 PM

PFC Everett Hennie — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 21:00:43 -0400

lol no

Response by MSgt Keith Morreira made Jul 6 at 2023 4:32 PM

MSgt Keith Morreira — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 16:32:25 -0400

Legally if they finished basic and served 90 days they are a veteran.

Personally I would politely decline to include them in the "circle" of brotherhood.

Response by SFC Aubrey Campbell made Jul 6 at 2023 9:36 PM

SFC Aubrey Campbell — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 21:36:51 -0400

180 consecutive days, even if still in training unit. Time spent in hospital counts. No enough info to answer. Further investigation required.

Response by SSG Curtis Armstrong made Jul 8 at 2023 1:10 PM

SSG Curtis Armstrong — Sat, 08 Jul 2023 13:10:02 -0400

You have to have at least a 180 days in active service to be considered prior service.

Response by PFC Wilma Morgel made Jul 8 at 2023 1:47 PM

PFC Wilma Morgel — Sat, 08 Jul 2023 13:47:25 -0400

It depends on what the VA says! Does he/she have a disability rating from the VA? If YES then he/she IS a Veteran. Also it depends on he/she's DD214! I was disabled during Basic and yet I finished much to my regret as it gave me a (per VA) 30% rate, but totally screwed me up with life long issues because I did NOT stop and get proper medical care. And I do NOT mean medical care from the VA or military post. I have learned the hard way NOT to trust their Doctors who are MOSTLY students. Also if you are over 75 GOOD LUCK getting ANY care!

Response by PO1 David M Burns made Jul 9 at 2023 12:42 AM

PO1 David M Burns — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 00:42:43 -0400

in as few words as possible: NO!

Response by 1LT Brandon Brackett made Jul 9 at 2023 6:24 PM

1LT Brandon Brackett — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 18:24:51 -0400

You are a veteran if you qualify for VA benefits

Response by A1C Grant Sturm made Jul 10 at 2023 4:49 PM

A1C Grant Sturm — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 16:49:33 -0400

So going to chime in again if they were Med boarded for something out of their control and were granted an honorable discharge, then yes they classify as a veteran

Response by A1C Grant Sturm made Jul 10 at 2023 4:52 PM

A1C Grant Sturm — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 16:52:50 -0400

I knew someone in bootcamp they crushed the femoral head in their hip during beast week. Lost blood supply to his hip. Had to have his replaced he was granted a medical retirement after the year+ took to recover and have the surgeries.

He finished boot camp and was considered a holdover airman

Response by Cpl Erin Casserly made Jul 11 at 2023 3:35 AM

Cpl Erin Casserly — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 03:35:29 -0400

For damn sure not a vet.

Response by PO2 Trevor Porter made Jul 11 at 2023 8:32 PM

PO2 Trevor Porter — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 20:32:19 -0400

It's a sad thing to see people breaking down those who at least gave the effort to join. This is an all volunteer force if you remember. I say any one who signed on that dotted line is worthy of some recognition. They VOLUNTEERED to put their life on the line for our freedoms. Who gives a damn they couldn't hack it, they had the balls to try.

Response by Brad Miller made Jul 12 at 2023 7:50 AM

Brad Miller — Wed, 12 Jul 2023 07:50:30 -0400

WHY are they getting out? Permanent, life-altering injury (MVA causing broken back, for example)?

Response by SSG Rebecca Davidson made Jul 12 at 2023 8:46 AM

SSG Rebecca Davidson — Wed, 12 Jul 2023 08:46:27 -0400

As a former recruiter I had to take a guy from my assigned post to the nearest military post a yearly medical evaluation. He had been injured during basic training. Because if that he was medically retired from the military with full benefits, not a common situation. The comment about the DD214 is correct, most training Discharges are for things like “failure to adapt”. IMHO, not a veteran.

Response by SPC Linda Parker made Jul 14 at 2023 12:10 AM

SPC Linda Parker — Fri, 14 Jul 2023 00:10:55 -0400

It comes down to "why" the person get out. Many things could have happened beyond her control that enabled her to use the term. You have to know the story before passing judgment.

Response by PO3 Michael Mancini made Aug 10 at 2023 6:29 PM

PO3 Michael Mancini — Thu, 10 Aug 2023 18:29:08 -0400

He is not a vet he never finished training and have not served any time with a unit

Response by PO2 Michele Trapalis made Aug 11 at 2023 11:26 AM

PO2 Michele Trapalis — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 11:26:09 -0400

Absolutely not. Period.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Aug 11 at 2023 1:41 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 13:41:25 -0400

No not at all. Sempr Fi

Response by PO1 David Kingsley made Aug 11 at 2023 2:23 PM

PO1 David Kingsley — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 14:23:22 -0400

I vaguely remember that 180 day requirement, I also was a Recruiter
looking at the other responses, it looks like you need to Honorably Finish your First Enlistment.
If you got Discharged for a combat injury or you completed your contracted time.

Response by PV2 B A Wellman made Aug 11 at 2023 3:31 PM

PV2 B A Wellman — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 15:31:02 -0400

Wrong Wrong Wrong,
If she had the will to join in good faith that is all she needs. If she was damaged by her service and had to discharge early that does not make her efforts any less honorable! Not everybody has such an exclusive attitude. We are a team. We operate as one because of individual knowledge and goal. I'm guessing this is a Gal flaming a Gal? Wow, talk about eating your own! This kind of thinking is wrong, and there is no room for condescending attitudes against this gals service and issues. In case you don't know, you can not get a discharge for a "Sprained Ankle". Lets all treat each other as the equals we are and not "talk down" to each other as if one of us was superior. I did amazing things in the service as well. After being raped by my Sargent I was discharged....(not him!!!) Guess I'm not a "Real Veteran" either by this person scalding judgement. . I was honorable, he was not. Guess I should be sad that I "Asked for it", (Their words not mine)
B A Wellman

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Aug 12 at 2023 8:38 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sat, 12 Aug 2023 08:38:30 -0400

According to the information I got during the past year or so, there are different categories . . . That is to say that in the general sense you are a veteran after 180 days of ACTIVE DUTY to claim veteran benefits. A person who has been discharged with a medically connected reason may continue to collect VA benefits until the issue is resolved, but that does not mean they are a military veteran. If you die on active duty you are considered a veteran. Not knowing the entire story in this case, a definitive answer cannot be given. That person may have to change their story after trying to get VA benefits like a VA Home Loan. I would say they are not a veteran at this time.

Response by PO3 Jeff Harrell made Aug 13 at 2023 11:04 AM

PO3 Jeff Harrell — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:04:34 -0400

Isn't there something about 180 days (6 months) minimum to be considered on Active Duty?

Response by SGT M C made Aug 13 at 2023 1:23 PM

SGT M C — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 13:23:43 -0400

An emphatic NO, a vet is a person who finishes their tour be it NG RA US or otherwise get back in and then make that claim!

Response by 1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) made Aug 14 at 2023 8:36 AM

1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 08:36:47 -0400

US Code Title 38, Part 1, Chapter 1, §101. Definitions, (2) specifically states:

The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable.

I realize everyone is going to jump up and down with counters to that definition! Just remember, we are a nation of checks and balances and as a result, you will find a plethora of laws and regulations that seem to counter that definition... For example, when it comes to qualification for various benefits, other laws come into play. If the service member enlisted after September 8, 1980
he or she must have served a minimum of 24 months of active duty to be considered a veteran for most VA benefits. For people who enlisted prior to September 8, 1980, no minimum length of service is necessary to be considered a veteran for most VA benefits.

I served 22 years active service, 3 combat years in Vietnam, Special Operations in Laos and Pakistan and a wide variety of other assignments. I do not consider myself to be a higher degree of veteran than those with less service. As long as you have a discharge other than Dishonorable, I recognize you as a Veteran and Thank You For Your Service!

Response by MSgt David Cooper made Aug 14 at 2023 12:12 PM

MSgt David Cooper — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 12:12:04 -0400

If the person was deployed and was injured to the extent they were forced out, maybe. I always have two stories on this. At work, our company had special name badges made up for those that served. It was really cool. This one coworker claimed she was Army but could never talk the lingo or give answers we would all know, regardless of branch. She had joined the reserves after high school but did not go to boot for 3 months, but she reported to drill once, while waiting to ship. She couldn't make PT standards so she was booted 3 weeks in. I think it was apathy, but who am I to say. She wore that name nametag proudly but.the rest of us ignored her. The second was while being in recruiting. I would see kids from my team and area claiming they were veterans, but didn't make it past 180 degrees. With all that, I guess it is up to you to say they are a veteran, but me personally, you have to deploy first, to wear that honor. Slackers that get out deployments are not veterans, in my eyes. Yes, I know some people that spent a full career and never once went overseas. How?

Response by LCDR Mike Scott Singh made Aug 14 at 2023 4:52 PM

LCDR Mike Scott Singh — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:52:49 -0400

I would. To get benefits you need to serve a little longer, I think a min of 180 days. There have been people who died in combat with less time, I certainly consider them veterans. There is always doing something else for your country or trying again. Being injured or unprepared is a good choice to step away for a bit. I certainly don't hold that against you. A person's life is worth more and if you aren't at your peak performance level it might cost a mission or others to die.

Response by CPL Derrick Grady Sr. made Aug 15 at 2023 2:16 AM

CPL Derrick Grady Sr. — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 02:16:01 -0400

Depending if they got out because of a medical discharged or they got put out with a dishonorably discharged.

Response by SPC Mark Smelcer made Aug 15 at 2023 6:25 PM

SPC Mark Smelcer — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 18:25:06 -0400

Absolutely not

Response by SPC Rebecca Cann made Aug 15 at 2023 9:28 PM

SPC Rebecca Cann — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 21:28:07 -0400

Here's another article by veterans attorneys, Hill & Ponton Disability Attorneys. Summary of the article regarding veterans status upon discharge, pursuant to the individual's DD214: " . . . each case is usually judged on its own merit." A copy of DD214 is essential. "If you want to know whether you can say ‘I am a veteran’, it helps to talk to someone who knows the federal law backward and forth."
https://www.hillandponton.com/are-you-a-veteran-if-you-were-discharged-in-basic-training/

Are you a veteran if you were discharged in basic training?

If you were discharged during basic training, you might wonder what your veteran status actually is. We discuss the military law in this blog

Response by SPC Rebecca Cann made Aug 15 at 2023 9:49 PM

SPC Rebecca Cann — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 21:49:16 -0400

When I enlisted in 1989 as Reserve Medical, there was no veteran status for any training, Reserve or National Guard. The call to active duty in support of ODS / ODS in 1990, changed everything for me.
M21-1, Part III, Subpart ii, part 6.1.a.,b. changed veterans status. A DD214 would be necessary to answer "the question".
Change Date December 14, 2015
a. Definition: Veteran
A Veteran is a person who
• served in the active military, naval or air service, and
• was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.
References:
• For more information on the definition of the term Veteran for purposes of compensation, Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) and death pension, see 38 CFR 3.1(d).
• For a list of groups approved for Veteran status under Public Law (PL) 95-202 and 106-259, see M21-1, Part III, Subpart iii, 2.K.3.
b. What Constitutes Active Service Active service includes
• active duty
• any period of active duty for training during which a person is disabled or dies from a disease or injury incurred or aggravated in the line of duty, or
• any period of active duty for training or inactive duty for training during which a person is disabled or dies from an injury incurred or aggravated in the line of duty or any of the following conditions
 acute myocardial infarction
 cardiac arrest, or
 a cerebrovascular accident.
Notes:
• According to VAOPGCPREC8-2001, sexual assault constitutes an injury for the purposes of this block.
• Time spent proceeding directly to and from active duty for training and inactive duty for training must be considered as part of the active or inactive duty for training as specified in 38 CFR 3.6(e).
Reference: For the regulatory and statutory definitions of active duty, active duty for training, inactive duty training, and active service, see
• 38 CFR 3.6
• 38 U.S.C. 101(21) through (24), and
• 38 U.S.C. 106 (d).

Response by SGT David Wyatt made Aug 17 at 2023 7:56 AM

SGT David Wyatt — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:56:46 -0400

All these old heads with the red ass. Manual says 180 days in a row of active federal service makes you a vet. The VA offers benefits and so forth. Don’t be fooled by the unfounded opinions of senior or former senior military members. Oh btw my brother went into a severe diabetic coma during AIT so he was bounced at around 220 days. He’s a veteran, don’t like that then pound sand.

Response by Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna made Aug 25 at 2023 10:30 PM

Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 22:30:43 -0400

NO!...
BOOT CAMP IS TO PREPARE ANY MILITARY PERSON FOR WHAT MAY LYE AHEAD...\
IF CAN NOT FINISH TRAINING, THAT DISQUALIFY...
IN BOOT CAMP FEMALES COULD NOT HANDLE THE STRICKNESS, DISCIPLINE OR UNITY AND GOT OUT THROUGH MEDICAL (SURE NOT BRAGGING OF BEING MARINE TODAY0

Response by PO3 James Polichak made Sep 3 at 2023 2:01 PM

PO3 James Polichak — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 14:01:48 -0400

According to the VA if you served honorably for one day during a period of war and have monetary challenges at the age of 66 you will qualify for a modest pension for the rest of your life.
That has to mean one day is enough to be considered a veteran.
Jim Polichak, USNR, 1974-80, RTC/NTC/ORL/FL and USS Dyess (DD-880)

Response by PO2 Thomas Salmela made Sep 12 at 2023 6:56 AM

PO2 Thomas Salmela — Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:56:03 -0400

Yes they are, signed the line, volunteered and collected that DD214. My grandfather was in the Marines for 6 weeks, broke his foot and was medically discharged. He is still a Veteran...

Response by CMSgt Pat McGuffin made Sep 15 at 2023 5:57 PM

CMSgt Pat McGuffin — Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:57:45 -0400

For those who entered service after September 7, 1981, the legal Federal requirement to be recognized as a "veteran" is 24 months active duty (not active duty for training) or completion of the full period of obligated service, such as someone in the National Guard activated under Title 10 orders. The exception is when the service member is released for medical reasons (not for conditions that existed prior to service). In this case the individual can be awarded a service-connected disability from the VA for the injury/disease, which also qualifies them for "veteran" status. This happens more often than many might think, i.e. for a severe injury in basic training or tech school/AIT, military sexual trauma, a chronic breathing disability related to having COVID, etc.

Response by SN Jennifer Rothrock made Sep 16 at 2023 11:29 PM

SN Jennifer Rothrock — Sat, 16 Sep 2023 23:29:31 -0400

If they didn't even finish training then no they aren't a vet.

Response by SrA James Cannon made Sep 18 at 2023 9:32 AM

SrA James Cannon — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 09:32:44 -0400

If they have an honorable discharge, and qualify for any VA benefits, I'd say they can call themselves a veteran. But that's my opinion only. Somewhere, there may be an actual legal definition.

Response by COL Michael Freeman made Sep 18 at 2023 6:57 PM

COL Michael Freeman — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 18:57:57 -0400

I know someone who finished Basic and went on to AIT where he was sexually assaulted, started drinking and was discharged on graduation day. The unit covered up the assault and put him out. He is now on 100% disability for MST thanks to the VA investigation. Does that make him not a veteran? I’d suggest that the animals who assaulted him and the cadre who covered it up are NOT veterans.

Response by PO3 Leo Rollins made Sep 18 at 2023 8:03 PM

PO3 Leo Rollins — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 20:03:27 -0400

Here's another question. I served 8 honorable years in the Navy. My brother went UA (AWOL) twice, for almost a month each, and got OTH discharged. Before it happened, he forged signatures to get a VA loan for his home. He claims that his superior officers held him back from medical care for his feet, went to court over his discharge and got it changed to honorable with medical discharge. Now, he's paid for the rest of his life. I can only assume his brass had enough of his crap and thought everything he said was b.s., which is why they didn't take him seriously. Is this what we should consider a veteran? I call him a piece of trash, but that's only because he is. What are your thoughts?

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Sep 19 at 2023 10:40 AM

SSG Norbert Johnson — Tue, 19 Sep 2023 10:40:17 -0400

No to veteran. 24 months MINIMUM service to claim Veteran status. My Nephew got an Honorable Discharge from USAF with 22 months of service. He claimed he was a Veteran. VA Woke him up. NO VA SERVICES including Medical. Why? Not a Veteran. That one day during wartime means nothing until after 24 months of Active Duty. So sorry for your co-worker, NOT!

Response by SSgt Danton Killian made Sep 19 at 2023 11:32 AM

SSgt Danton Killian — Tue, 19 Sep 2023 11:32:42 -0400

At the VA hospital in Boise Idaho a woman told me that as far as they are concerned if a person serves even for just a day they consider them veterans.

Response by SGT William Benson made Sep 19 at 2023 7:33 PM

SGT William Benson — Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:33:46 -0400

Absolutely! If your coworker serve more than 30 days in an active duty status even as a recruit, she is technically a veteran... Trying to get traction on her status as a veteran on the other hand among other veterans will be eye-opening...

Response by PFC Tim Arnett made Sep 20 at 2023 1:57 AM

PFC Tim Arnett — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:57:12 -0400

I CAN BEAT THAT ONE, LOL! FIRST DAY WHEN WE ARRIVED AT D-2 BATTERY FORT SILL OKLAHOMA, YOU KNOW THE DRILL. WELL THIS ONE RECRUIT WAS PICKED OUT AND PICKED ON BY A CERTAIN SSG (NOT OURS) AND MADE TO STAND AT ATTENTION 1 FOOT FROM THE OUTSIDE WALL OF THE ARMORY, YELLING ABOUT HOW DAMN IGNORANT HE WAS. THAT JOKER WENT AWOL, AND WE DIDN'T SEE HIM AGAIN TILL THE ENTIRE 12 WEEKS WERE FINISHED. GOT HIMSELF A D.H DISCHARGE OF COURSE. PERHAPS HE WAS TELLING EVERYONE HE WAS A GENERAL>???

Response by Cpl Kelly Calava made Sep 20 at 2023 10:24 AM

Cpl Kelly Calava — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:24:30 -0400

Hell no that’s not a damn veteran! That’s a slap in the face is what it is! She didn’t even finish her training?! Absolutely no she is not a vet!
I have a similar situation… recently, My ex best friend and I were talking in front of her children about me being in the Marine Corps and then she was asked by her eight-year-old son in front of me, “hey mommy, you were in the Navy, right?“ And she responded yes! Excuse me! You got kicked out of Boot Camp because you went in pregnant! You never served a freaking day in your life! Oh I got so pissed off over hearing that! I actually went off on her about it as well! Stolen valor is what that is!
Honestly, you’re not a veteran until you serve Long enough to rate any of the benefits that we get!

Response by Sgt Wayne Krueger made Sep 20 at 2023 8:53 PM

Sgt Wayne Krueger — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:53:52 -0400

It would depend upon the reason for the discharge. If it was due to some training accident I would say okay. If it was due because they just couldn't hack it I would say no.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Sep 20 at 2023 11:17 PM

SPC Steven Nihipali — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 23:17:39 -0400

Let's be real.. the AF catches a cold or sneezes and they'll get 100%...

Response by SPC Efrain Rodriguez Jr made Sep 21 at 2023 12:41 PM

SPC Efrain Rodriguez Jr — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 12:41:51 -0400

No because didn't complete AIT it's like basic training some will pass and others will not that's it and especially why the co- worker did not complete there has to be a reason !!!!!

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Sep 21 at 2023 3:29 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 15:29:44 -0400

Inner room with five congressional medal of honor recipients, and five men with purple hearts for wounds, held in battle, I would still call myself a Veterans.
I do not know why a person gets out after five months, but until I have the full details, I would not disrespect them or the title of veteran.
If you took the oath and you made it to basic training and you have a DD 214 then I consider you a veteran.

Response by SPC Daniel Dresen made Sep 21 at 2023 3:52 PM

SPC Daniel Dresen — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 15:52:54 -0400

Oh boy, this one has about a dozen different answers and the fact is, legally, yes, they are a veteran. Here is why. 38 CFR 3.1(d), and Paulson v. Brown, 7 Vet.App. 466, 470 (1995) (d) Veteran means a person who served in the active military, naval, air, or space service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.

(1) For compensation and dependency and indemnity compensation the term veteran includes a person who died in active service and whose death was not due to willful misconduct.

(2) For death pension the term veteran includes a person who died in active service under conditions which preclude payment of service-connected death benefits, provided such person had completed at least 2 years honorable military, naval, air, or space service, as certified by the Secretary concerned.

Now, if this co-worker were, say, a guardsman or reservist, they need to serve a minimum of 180 days of federal active service, and again, there is no stipulation stating "not for training". That only applies for select benefits. Would I consider them a veteran? Being a legal stickler, yes, yes I would. For the purpose of benefits, A minimum service requirement exists. Service members must have served a minimum of 24 months of active duty to be considered a veteran if enlisted after 1980. If the service member becomes disabled because of their time in the service, there is no minimum length of service to qualify for VA benefits. In this case, they were injured in the line of duty.

Response by Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. made Sep 21 at 2023 6:41 PM

Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 18:41:21 -0400

Depends on the type of discharge, if less than Honorable, I'd say they are not veterans.

Response by PO3 Kenneth Spencer made Sep 21 at 2023 7:03 PM

PO3 Kenneth Spencer — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 19:03:54 -0400

If you coworker suffered a disabling condition while in the service there is no minimum length of service required to claim veteran status. If there is no such condition you must have served for a minimum of 24 months. I believe that is the VA determination, and that is no doubt based on awarding benefits. Saying that you didn’t do something long enough is illogical to me. So if you only worked at a job for 5 weeks, it never happened?

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Sep 22 at 2023 3:30 PM

AA Loreen Silvarahawk — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 15:30:49 -0400

From what I know you have to complete boot camp and have at least a year of service in total.

Response by PO2 Mark Williams made Sep 22 at 2023 5:01 PM

PO2 Mark Williams — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:01:32 -0400

My understanding, unless the rules have changed, is that a service member must serve a minimum of 180 days to be eligible for most VA veterans benefits or be considered a veteran for hiring or college admission purposes. As an example: In our state university system, freshmen and sophomores are required to live on campus in the dorms with the exception of two circumstances: The student can live with parents OR show proof of at least 180 days of active duty military service. This person falls short of that by 30 days.

Generally people discharged for bad conduct or dishonorably are not considered veterans either, and most of those people would rather hide the fact they were in the military anyway.

Response by SPC George Edwards made Sep 22 at 2023 8:48 PM

SPC George Edwards — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:48:35 -0400

What type of discharge was issued? Normally the term veteran is associated with a person who was honorably discharged from our Armed Forces.

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Sep 22 at 2023 11:08 PM

Cpl Brian Ruby — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 23:08:24 -0400

Hahahaha! That's rich! Not even close.

Response by SGT Dennis Kray made Sep 23 at 2023 9:33 AM

SGT Dennis Kray — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:33:54 -0400

Response by SGT Dennis Kray made Sep 23 at 2023 9:34 AM

SGT Dennis Kray — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:34:26 -0400

no to being a vetern

Response by SPC Kynthia Rosgeal made Sep 23 at 2023 7:41 PM

SPC Kynthia Rosgeal — Sat, 23 Sep 2023 19:41:03 -0400

I don't know the specifics. Did he skate or was he incapable of passing ? We don't know. I, personally, would proceed with basic respect (for trying) until I knew different.

I'm too old and cranky (would everything stop leaking, failing and hurting all the time ? My fellow old buzzards know that song) to judge fairly.

Response by SN Elgin Williams made Sep 24 at 2023 8:30 AM

SN Elgin Williams — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 08:30:53 -0400

Absolutely not 5 months your not a veteran of anything you haven't even completed training not even close to being a veteran my friend

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2023 11:22 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 11:22:33 -0400

Per th VA website, you need 24 months of active duty time to qualify for veterans benefits. However, there is no minimum length of service to getting injured or wounded.

So if your co-worker injured himself at AIT and got a medical discharge, he or she could in fact be entitled to VA benefits and call themselves a veteran

Response by SGT Keith Boettcher made Sep 24 at 2023 7:57 PM

SGT Keith Boettcher — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:57:14 -0400

Hmmm????
I don't know about the answer you got. But the way I see it anyone who was brave enough to join and put on the uniform is a "VETERAN" to me. I retired and completed 5 deployments and I had a guy laugh in my face and told me that I was a "stolen valor veteran". That did not go over well with me at all. My PTSD with blood pressure rose and I about lost it. If it wasn't for my better half I believe I would have ... the individual. He would of a heck of a funeral.
So, people can say what they want about anybody and boast about their endeavors but only the person who served knows what he/she did.
So to judge and deny anyone of their achievements is wrong. Only you know what you did and they know what they did. "O" and I have heard people say because you never deployed your not a veteran, or because you never went out the site your not a "COMBAT VETERAN" all I have to say is quit the negativity and leave and mind your own business. There is enough problems in this world to deal with than trivial crap.
"CARRY ON ! OORAH !"

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Sep 24 at 2023 9:33 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:33:47 -0400

The government may consider him a vet but if I were him I would be extremely embarrassed to say I am a Veteran!

Response by Col Dan Ketter made Sep 24 at 2023 9:42 PM

Col Dan Ketter — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 21:42:17 -0400

Does he have a DD214?? That's the question. While I agree it doesn't smell right we don't get to call the balls and strikes

Response by PVT Kobie Babatu made Sep 26 at 2023 4:51 AM

PVT Kobie Babatu — Tue, 26 Sep 2023 04:51:03 -0400

If they received an Honorable Discharge and were let out due to medical reasons:
They ARE a veteran.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Sep 26 at 2023 1:20 PM

1SG Harold Piet — Tue, 26 Sep 2023 13:20:34 -0400

They can call themself anything they wish, but the VA and DOD have their own definitions. I prefer not to make it my business. there are men who call themselves women and other such. Just cause they say so, does not make it so. I do not celebrate them on any such days. I prefer to let them live in their own imaginary world. I did 20, my brother did 20, my dad did 20. and my daughter and grandson did 3, their fictional world does not take away from me.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Sep 26 at 2023 10:13 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:13:15 -0400

No, but why 5 months only, Flunked out? couldn't hack it? Bad Attitude? too many unknowns

Response by SSG Michael Schneider made Sep 27 at 2023 5:39 AM

SSG Michael Schneider — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 05:39:35 -0400

Reminds me of a individual I know that claimed he was a Marine when in fact he never completed Boot Camp, was injured and discharged in week Three!

Response by SFC Stephen Everett made Oct 10 at 2023 12:13 PM

SFC Stephen Everett — Tue, 10 Oct 2023 12:13:35 -0400

Flat out. No! It’s terrible that folks would do or say these things. Myself, I have seen so-called, nom-veterans but they are homeless on the street with a sign, stating “I’m a homeless veteran, please help”. But they never served. My advice, please read the “Regs” and stay up on current information that will help you and inform you and your entitlements and benefits while serving. This will clear your mind of the “wanna-be’s.”

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2023 7:43 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:43:53 -0400

All I could do was giggle reading this, lol! Wowww

Response by PO2 Mike Brinningstaull made Oct 27 at 2023 7:26 PM

PO2 Mike Brinningstaull — Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:26:05 -0400

Must serve a full enlistment unless rendered combat disabled.

Response by SPC Rick Price made Nov 5 at 2023 8:13 PM

SPC Rick Price — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 20:13:38 -0500

I looked on VA.gov and if she was discharged other then dishonerable--then she is. Dont quote me on that but take a look for yourself.

Also, for your own emotional well-being, you should let this go and move on and live a good life.

Response by TSgt Yvonne Herrera made Nov 8 at 2023 6:53 PM

TSgt Yvonne Herrera — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 18:53:41 -0500

HELL NO

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2023 7:18 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:18:11 -0500

What this is, just an others wannabe!
There are more disrespectful fake veterans then there are actual veterans!

Response by SR Robert Boisselle made Nov 8 at 2023 10:59 PM

SR Robert Boisselle — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 22:59:07 -0500

Yes.

Response by MAJ Craig Wardrip made Nov 9 at 2023 12:17 AM

MAJ Craig Wardrip — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 00:17:51 -0500

Depends on the DD214 information.

Response by PFC Rebecca Givens made Nov 9 at 2023 1:47 AM

PFC Rebecca Givens — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 01:47:44 -0500

Like everyone else, my gut reaction is NO WAY. But after some reflection, I have doubts. Didn't she sign on the dotted line to give her life over to Uncle Sam for 4 years like the rest of us. Everyone's experiences are different. Some like me served in a time of war. Left our children, spouses, and put our life on the line daily. Watched our friends die. Others set at a desk at home. Are they less of a veteran? We all serve to the best of our ability. I too left the military due to an injury in Iraq after 8 months, while my comrades stayed 16. I felt so guilty for getting to go home. Was I less of a veteran. Is being willing to put your mind and body in jeopardy to serve others the real test, and not the individual experience. Just food for thought...

Response by PO2 Charity Keller made Nov 9 at 2023 7:06 AM

PO2 Charity Keller — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 07:06:53 -0500

No, they cannot even get benefits unless they serve two years

Response by PO1 Chivas Mathews made Nov 9 at 2023 1:10 PM

PO1 Chivas Mathews — Thu, 09 Nov 2023 13:10:15 -0500

So, I will have to agree with the majority in saying not completing basic training or serving in a deployable unit should not give someone the privileges and benefits of a Veteran. However, they can be recognized for being qualified to serve and attempting to answer the call to service since every tax-paying American who wants to serve can not for various reasons. I would be ok considering them as Veteran Qualified (never served). We should not look down on them for not succeeding; unfortunately, it did not work out for them, and accepting their attempt may motivate them to try again with greater success.

Response by SPC David Ewing made Nov 10 at 2023 3:41 AM

SPC David Ewing — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 03:41:52 -0500

No idea. I faithfully served a 3-year stint in the US Army from '77 to '80 but never saw combat. If I had a nickle for every person who told me I wasn't a "real" veteran, I could have retired a decade earlier.

Response by PO1 Courtney Roberts made Nov 11 at 2023 6:49 PM

PO1 Courtney Roberts — Sat, 11 Nov 2023 18:49:03 -0500

Absolutely! He signed over his life to his country. He was released after 5 months, before the check was cashed. God works in mysterious ways, but the man placed his life on the line!

Response by SGT David Bower made Nov 13 at 2023 5:50 PM

SGT David Bower — Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:50:47 -0500

Response by SGT David Bower made Nov 13 at 2023 5:57 PM

SGT David Bower — Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:57:19 -0500

Possibly under certain unknown circumstances (such as a sudden injury or health condition) but otherwise no. I suppose it all comes down to what the VA says about it but the question apparently appears to ask for opinions.

Response by SN Elgin Williams made Nov 14 at 2023 3:46 PM

SN Elgin Williams — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 15:46:13 -0500

Absolutely not

Response by MAJ Mike Middleton made Nov 20 at 2023 9:40 PM

MAJ Mike Middleton — Mon, 20 Nov 2023 21:40:17 -0500

Very simple answer; whether you agree or not is irevelant-->
https://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/

what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition

Response by PFC Steven Balek made Nov 26 at 2023 12:43 PM

PFC Steven Balek — Sun, 26 Nov 2023 12:43:20 -0500

You are not a Veteran unless you complete 18 months of service and have a Honorable Discharge and a DD 214 that has your MOS recorded on it. If this person was released prior to completing AIT they have no MOS

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Nov 27 at 2023 1:40 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 27 Nov 2023 13:40:23 -0500

Look, it's not what we think that is all that important- a horse of a different color for acceptance. It all depends on what their DD214 DTATES- if it was a medical discharge and the VA grants them VA privileges, OK it makes them just as much a veteran as any who were medically out prior to making it to full retirement! It will never make them a "war" vet nor a combat vet.

Response by FA June R. made Nov 27 at 2023 7:24 PM

FA June R. — Mon, 27 Nov 2023 19:24:58 -0500

My Father was considered to be a veteran. He finished boot and was in school when they learned that he was a Type 1 diabetic. Quitting on your own is one thing, An Honorable Discharge for medical or injury is another. We were told that he laid down his life for his country, he gave with his heart and it counted, One day served is a day served.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Nov 28 at 2023 5:36 AM

SFC Barbara Layman — Tue, 28 Nov 2023 05:36:50 -0500

24 months
Service members must have served a minimum of 24 months of active duty to be considered a veteran. If the service member becomes disabled because of their time in the service, there is no minimum length of service to qualify for VA benefits. Jun 20, 2023

Who is a Veteran? | lawforveterans.org

https://www.lawforveterans.org/who-is-a-veteran#:~:text=Service%20members%20must%20have%20served,to%20qualify%20for%20VA%20benefits.

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Response by Cpl George Matousek made Dec 2 at 2023 10:20 AM

Cpl George Matousek — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 10:20:48 -0500

No, not at all. Semper Fi

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 2 at 2023 11:55 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 23:55:57 -0500

Anyone who is a officially considered a veteran by the U.S. Government would have hard copy proof of his/her status. If someone has a document indicating their veterans status they are a veteran and it doesn't matter if they served 5 months or 5 years, they are a veteran. We may not like it or may not think it is right, but they are still a veteran.

Response by LCpl Russell Potter made Dec 4 at 2023 8:09 AM

LCpl Russell Potter — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 08:09:07 -0500

Sounds like you are judging. And we know what the good Book says about Judging others. Make it though Boot camp You are a Veteran. If you have a DD214 you are a Veteran . If you got Paid for your service you are a Veteran.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Jan 9 at 2024 10:15 AM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Tue, 09 Jan 2024 10:15:06 -0500

Most the answers here are saying the same thing even if they say Yes or NO. The difference is not realizing the "Veteran Status" for 'Military Service vs VA Requirements' are two different things altogether.

Response by CWO2 Thomas McGrath made Jan 15 at 2024 7:14 PM

CWO2 Thomas McGrath — Mon, 15 Jan 2024 19:14:12 -0500

180 days of active duty = veteran

Response by SPC Daniel Brown made Jan 16 at 2024 1:50 AM

SPC Daniel Brown — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 01:50:56 -0500

why was she discharged, not enough information to base an answer on.

Response by LCpl Odell Taylor made Jan 16 at 2024 2:20 AM

LCpl Odell Taylor — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 02:20:53 -0500

By statute, a veteran is defined as a “person who served in
the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under
conditions other than dishonorable.”

Regardless of your opinion, what I have posted is not of my own thinking nor my opinion. I "copy and paste" that directly from official US Government documentaon. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with your Congressman. He has more influence than your's truly!

Response by SSG Randy Bisbee made Jan 16 at 2024 8:14 AM

SSG Randy Bisbee — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:14:14 -0500

You must serve 180 days to claim veteran status. Period.

Response by SGT Troy ... made Jan 16 at 2024 12:43 PM

SGT Troy ... — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:43:14 -0500

Response by SGT Jim Harris made Jan 16 at 2024 1:55 PM

SGT Jim Harris — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 13:55:10 -0500

5mo. Easy simple answer, No!

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Jan 16 at 2024 2:16 PM

MSG Thomas Currie — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 14:16:00 -0500

Are they a veteran?
- Did they enlist? [According to you, yes]
- Did they serve on active duty for at least 90 days? [According to you, yes]
- Were they discharged under honorable conditions? [You didn't say, but it seems so]
Regardless of what you want to whine about, they are a veteran.

Response by SP5 Danny Wellman made Jan 16 at 2024 3:02 PM

SP5 Danny Wellman — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 15:02:33 -0500

As a veteran who served this person should not be conidered a veteran.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2024 4:25 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Jan 2024 04:25:58 -0500

No.

Response by PO3 Doug Freyburger made Jan 17 at 2024 10:21 AM

PO3 Doug Freyburger — Wed, 17 Jan 2024 10:21:53 -0500

It depends on how they got out. Also the US is strange in having a different legal definition for veteran for each benefit. To be a veteran in general you must not be able to find even one benefit they qualify for. The commonly mentioned 180 days after schools does not cut it. That's only for medical benefits. A veteran is someone who put their live into the hands of other.

In my recruit training company one kid's foot bones crushed in his first week. The poor kid so wanted to be a sailor, but they sent him home. He's a veteran. Going out for medical reasons is an honorable reason. He might even quality for foot care through the VA, though none of the rest of the long list of benefits. I doubt he ever signed up for the VA to take care of his feet, but that would have been his choice.

In my recruit training company one kid was a screw up and a lunatic.Eventually they sent him home. He's not a veteran. Some sort of failure to adapt to military life.

If the kid just flunked out, that's in between the two extremes I mentioned. My guess is something like an entry level separation not counting for any benefit. But if they got a general discharge based on the needs of the service, that's on the "not dishonorable" list. Probably no benefits other than being able to sign up for American Legion by mail, which is the smallest I've ever found.

Response by SPC Rodger Bell made Jan 17 at 2024 11:45 AM

SPC Rodger Bell — Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:45:46 -0500

if he being taking care of by the VA then he's a Veteran

Response by SGT James Nuckles made Jan 18 at 2024 7:31 AM

SGT James Nuckles — Thu, 18 Jan 2024 07:31:07 -0500

You must finish training before you can become anything... I deployed with the 82nd that doesn't make me Airborne....fuck that thief.

Response by MSgt James Bryant made Jan 18 at 2024 10:32 AM

MSgt James Bryant — Thu, 18 Jan 2024 10:32:30 -0500

The legal definition - a veteran is one who serves a min of 180 days of honorable service. This includes service academy cadets.

Response by SGT M C made Jan 19 at 2024 9:16 AM

SGT M C — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:16:09 -0500

Simple "NO"

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Jan 19 at 2024 10:57 AM

SSG Steve Knox — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 10:57:45 -0500

In my personal opinion, which doesn't mean much, basic training and AIT are the initiation phases of the "club". You have to make it through all phases of bootcamp to become a "member". However, I am not sure how being injured and discharged from bootcamp works.

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Jan 19 at 2024 12:07 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 12:07:26 -0500

I don't think he is a Vet. Semper Fi

Response by SPC Phillip Jackson made Jan 19 at 2024 4:42 PM

SPC Phillip Jackson — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 16:42:08 -0500

Are you kidding me? He was never awarded an MOS, never posted to a unit which was required to train for and stand ready to go into harm's way at a moments notice.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jan 19 at 2024 9:58 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 21:58:45 -0500

I don't believe I could call them 'veteran', BUT I would not their sacrifice into question. After all, THEY decided to raise their hand, swear "this I will defend", and begin the process of going from civilian to servicemember...which is something that their friends, associates, and family members more than likely DID NOT DO. They didn't complete the process and they may not be able to be called a veteran, but that doesn't minimize their sacrifice in my opinion.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Jan 20 at 2024 9:46 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sat, 20 Jan 2024 09:46:16 -0500

FIVE Months?
Were I He, I'd Not Even Admit Having Enlisted.
5 Months?...I've Spent More Time Than That Taking A Crap.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2024 2:48 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jan 2024 14:48:37 -0500

Not enough information to have an opinion but my question is- does anyone other than yourself status matter?

Response by Sgt Phil Villa made Jan 26 at 2024 12:46 PM

Sgt Phil Villa — Fri, 26 Jan 2024 12:46:34 -0500

There are always people who abuse the system, want the rewards but never did the time or duty to really earn whats rightfully for the people who served their country.

Response by Maj Joan Marine made Jan 27 at 2024 9:05 AM

Maj Joan Marine — Sat, 27 Jan 2024 09:05:15 -0500

6 months is the absolute minimum time to be considered a Veteran.

Response by 1SG John Millan made Jan 27 at 2024 1:23 PM

1SG John Millan — Sat, 27 Jan 2024 13:23:45 -0500

Legally, 180 days or more and honorable discharge. It's a personal call however.

Response by CPL Brian OHare made Feb 17 at 2024 8:15 AM

CPL Brian OHare — Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:15:41 -0500

It depends... while the DoD and the VA do NOT consider them a Vet because the didn't complete 180 days in, you or I may still feel that they are. This all depends on WHY they got out. If, like the MSG says "They sprained their ankle" and basically went home crying like a bitch, then NO. If however, they got kicked due to some unforeseen medical issue and fought to stay in and even tried to return at a later date, then YES. They may not have the official title, but someone trying that hard to serve... in my book, that's the definition of a VETERAN'S SPIRIT!!!

Response by PO2 Michael Shapley made Feb 18 at 2024 10:08 AM

PO2 Michael Shapley — Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:08:29 -0500

I know a guy, in fact, have known him most of my life. He joined the Marines right out of highschool and within a week or two realized he didn't want to be there. Claimed he hurt his ankle and got a medical discharge. Not only does he claim to be a veteran, but he also gets 40% disability, the same 40% I get after serving 2 tours and getting an honorable discharge.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2024 10:10 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 10:10:53 -0500

Does this person have a DD-214? I don't always like the results, but Congress sets the rules. If this person has a DD-214 they are, by definition, a veteran. If this upsets you, the thing to do is contact your Congressman. If enough people do this, the rules will be changed.
That said, it's possible they do not currently have a DD-214. If not, they are not a veteran, no matter what they claim.

Response by Maj Gordon Hunter made Feb 19 at 2024 10:19 AM

Maj Gordon Hunter — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 10:19:28 -0500

Your coworker is one of the less that 1% of this country who volunteered to serve. They may not have finished training, but they voluntarily put on the uniform. And they're not claiming disabled vet or combat vet status, so yeah, they're a vet.

Response by 1SG William Galeener made Mar 30 at 2024 12:48 AM

1SG William Galeener — Sat, 30 Mar 2024 00:48:54 -0400

The minimum time in Service to be considered a Veteran is 180 consecutive days.

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Mar 30 at 2024 3:28 AM

SFC Howard Holmes — Sat, 30 Mar 2024 03:28:37 -0400

A lot determines on why the individual didn't finish AIT. If the individual got severely injured during training, through no fault of his/her own, I would consider the individual a veteran. If the individual couldn't cut the mustard, failed to finish due to disciplinary actions, or couldn't pass the course and was given the option of choosing another school or getting out and the individual choose to get out, NO, I do not consider the individual a veteran. Veterans groups, including the DVA have certain standards and criterium in deciding whether or not the individual is a veteran. If the individual was discharged for inability to adapt, NO! If the individual got booted for substance abuse, in my opinion, NO, however, there are stipulations that Veteran organizations have concerning those matters.

Response by SGT Robert Urbaniak made Mar 30 at 2024 8:41 AM

SGT Robert Urbaniak — Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:41:43 -0400

She must have some kind of separation document, stating how she left the military.
declaring her status.

Response by Maj Joan Marine made Mar 30 at 2024 5:50 PM

Maj Joan Marine — Sat, 30 Mar 2024 17:50:43 -0400

Response by CPT Earl George made Mar 30 at 2024 9:42 PM

CPT Earl George — Sat, 30 Mar 2024 21:42:18 -0400

I commanded a BCT company at Ft Knox. We had one trainee who was picked-up with the rest of the trainees on a Thursday morning. The Drill Sergeant took the platoon out for flag football in the afternoon. Long story short; The trainee stepped into a hole, broke his ankle, and it never healed right. It was reset 3 times over a 6 month period. the trainee was discharged after 6 months with 30% disability. never one day of actual training.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Mar 30 at 2024 11:03 PM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:03:20 -0400

If his/her DD-214 says honorable discharge, veteran

Response by SPC John Murray made Mar 31 at 2024 6:13 AM

SPC John Murray — Sun, 31 Mar 2024 06:13:47 -0400

Response by 1SG Rene Davis made Mar 31 at 2024 8:35 PM

1SG Rene Davis — Sun, 31 Mar 2024 20:35:06 -0400

No.

Response by 1SG Dave Kling made Apr 2 at 2024 9:34 AM

1SG Dave Kling — Tue, 02 Apr 2024 09:34:13 -0400

Absolutely not.

Response by SFC Tracy Scott made Apr 3 at 2024 9:20 AM

SFC Tracy Scott — Wed, 03 Apr 2024 09:20:34 -0400

Participating in a training program for 5 months and not successfully finishing it does not qualify you as a Veteran. The person has not fulfilled the fundamental prerequisites to join the service at the entry level. Depending on the cause for their inability to meet these requirements, they may be classified as a former service member, but not as a veteran with 180-plus days of service.

Response by SGT Marcus Wilson Sr. made Apr 3 at 2024 6:48 PM

SGT Marcus Wilson Sr. — Wed, 03 Apr 2024 18:48:46 -0400

If he/she were hurt in training and it resulted in their removal from the service through no fault of their own, then they are considered a casualty of training and are entitled to all benefits of a veteran.
A great many soldiers were injured or killed during training. That doesn’t make them any less a soldier or veteran.

Response by MAJ William Smith made Apr 4 at 2024 8:37 AM

MAJ William Smith — Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:37:11 -0400

I enlisted in the Army National Guard in 1986 and retired in 2009. I draw retired pay, Tricare, etc. The VA rates me at 10% disabled. I have an MSM, 2 ARCOM, and 2 AAM. The Army sent me to Latvia twice (the picture is outside of Riga) and Germany three times. I graduated Initial Entry Training, Infantry AIT, OCS, IOBC, IOAC, and CAS3. I did three state deployments. My last assignment was as a division Assistant G-3. I went from E-1 to O-4. However, I do not meet the minimum requirements to be considered a veteran. My nephew served honorably as an aircraft mechanic in New Mexico for three years. He is a veteran. The definition of who is a veteran is very murky to me.

Response by SPC Connie Miller made Apr 4 at 2024 10:26 AM

SPC Connie Miller — Thu, 04 Apr 2024 10:26:48 -0400

I have read some of the comments and I am blown away at the lack of insight among some of the respondents. Military sexual assault is still problematic among all ranks and genders. Suppose this person was assaulted, resulting in PTSD and an inability to serve? There are so many possibilities. In this case, the person is most definitely a veteran, having been subjected to the worst members of the military ranks.

Response by SGT Joel Bourbeau made Apr 4 at 2024 3:53 PM

SGT Joel Bourbeau — Thu, 04 Apr 2024 15:53:43 -0400

I know somebody that went into the Navy reserves...attended some weekends for close to a year and never went to basic because she had a bum shoulder and dropped out. Now what she does is say "I remember when I was a soldier..." this is where I interrupt her and say she was never a soldier because she never had basic training. Just because she wore a uniform doesn't mean she earned it.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Apr 6 at 2024 9:45 AM

SFC Robert Walton — Sat, 06 Apr 2024 09:45:39 -0400

I Think if you check the Regulations you will find out you have to Complete BT/AIT Plus 180 Days uninterrupted active duty to be Considered a Veteran.
In addition opinion on this matter is irrelevant. The regulations will set you free.