I have a soldier scheduled for reclass but has not passed her apft can she still attend without a passing apft?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:28:40 -0500

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2019 12:31 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:31:33 -0500

Im not sure how it works in the reserves, but Active Duty with a failed Pt test, means a flag, which means No favorable actions. Any school would be favorable action. I would have to imagine that the reserves work the same way. I could be wrong though!!!!!!!!

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 10 at 2019 12:37 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:37:50 -0500

Chapter 3
Prohibitions and Retention of Flagged Personnel
3–1. Actions prohibited by a Flag
A properly imposed Flag prohibits the following personnel actions unless otherwise specified in this regulation:
a. Appointment, reappointment, reenlistment, or extension unless authorized by AR 601–280, AR 135–180, AR
135–205, or AR 140–111.
b. Reassignment with the following exceptions (see para 2–8 for additional guidance):
(1) HRC Personnel Management Directorates (AHRC–OPZ (officer) and AHRC–EPZ (enlisted)) may approve
waivers for reassignment requests on a case-by-case basis (not to be delegated below the directors). Directorates must
coordinate with HRC promotions branch prior to approving waivers for Soldiers on a centralized DA promotion list.
(2) Commanders (ACOMs, ASCCs, and DRUs), in coordination with installation commanders, USAR regional
commanders, or state adjutants general may deem reassignment necessary for the purpose of maintaining good
discipline, morale, or unit order. Soldier must be reassigned within the same installation or command. Soldiers with a
nontransferable Flag may not be reassigned into the individual ready reserve or inactive National Guard.
(3) When a Soldier is returned to military control after being dropped from the rolls in accordance with AR 630–10.
(4) When a Flag remains in place because a Soldier is undergoing punishment based on a court-martial, civilian
criminal trial, or nonjudicial proceedings under UCMJ, ART 15, and the punishment or sentence does not include
confinement, restraint, or geographical travel restrictions imposed by civilian courts as a condition of parole, probation,
or suspended sentence.
(5) When a Soldier is flagged solely based on APFT failure or for enrollment in the ABCP.
(6) Family members travel (when the sponsor is overseas) at Government expense to an overseas command due to
PCS.
(7) Command sponsorship of Family members (when the sponsor is overseas) at Government expense or to an
overseas command due to PCS.
c. Appearance before a semi-centralized promotion board (AR 600–8–19).
d. Promotions in grade, lateral appointments, and frocking (AR 600–8–19, AR 600–8–29, and AR 135–155).
e. Recommendation for, and receipt of, individual awards and decorations. Exceptions to this policy are outlined in
AR 600–8–22.
f. Attendance at military or civilian schools. The waiver approval authority for attendance at military or civilian
schools is the DCS, G–3/5/7 (DAMO–TR).
(1) For enlisted Soldiers, military schools include, but are not limited to, Noncommissioned Officer Education
System courses and functional area and skill qualification training. This does not include basic combat training,
advanced individual training, and one-station unit training.
(2) For officers, military schools include Officer Education System courses and functional area and skill specialty
training courses. The Basic Officer Leader courses are not included.
(3) Civilian schools are defined as those post-secondary and technical courses, fully or partially funded by the
Army, in which the Soldier participates on a full- or part-time basis (such as undergraduate and graduate degree
completion program, tuition assistance payment program, and other professional development programs). This does not
apply to off-duty education courses that are fully funded at personal expense.
(4) Soldiers enrolled in professional military or civilian schools who subsequently enter into the ABCP may,
provided otherwise qualified, continue their course of study while in the ABCP.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2019 12:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:47:43 -0500

If she's flagged no. If there is no flag on her - potentially. I don't know much about how it works in the Reserves.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2019 1:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:07:01 -0500

It usually depends on the MOS but if she’s flagged then it’s a definite no. I am on a temp profile and don’t have a current APFT, but I’m still able to attend reclass. If a current APFT is not required for the MOS reclass and she’s not flagged then she should be good to go.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2019 7:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:38:53 -0500

When a Soldier is reclassing they are attending another AIT but are considered MOS-T. With that being said, they must pass an APFT. If they have a profile prohibiting them from taking an APFT, then they are not able to attend. I’m not understanding why a unit would allow a Soldier to attend school without being able to pass an APFT....Passing an APFT is basic Soldiering....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2019 7:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:40:40 -0500

Response by SPC Timothy Bequette made Dec 11 at 2019 11:40 AM

SPC Timothy Bequette — Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:40:32 -0500

I don’t see why you’d re-classify someone who can’t pass an APFT. A flag presents an issue for re-classification of MOS if I remember correctly