I have a soldier with an ETS date is in 20 days, and the command wants to give him a PT test. Does the soldier have to do it/pass or fail?

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2020 7:39 AM

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Has he completed his final physical?

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Jan 25 at 2020 7:40 AM

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Yes, the Soldier still in the Army. However, a little bit of logic dictates otherwise. It's up to the commander. The issue at hand is that s/he still in the unit's books and counts towards the unit’s readiness statistics. But you could talk thru your NCO Support channel to get him/her off the hook and make him some sort of detail during the event. Like water boy?

Response by CSM Tom Satterly made Jan 25 at 2020 7:40 AM

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He should be held in the books as a loss therefore they don’t need his number to count towards their umbers. They are probably harassing him

Response by 1SG Leroy Lucero made Jan 25 at 2020 7:49 AM

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They are not supposed to give a pt test. It needs to be no physical activity his last 30 days so he doesn’t hurt himself.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jan 25 at 2020 8:38 AM

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End of the day, he is in the army, on the Alpha roster until ETS.

So yes he has to

As to why they want him to, I can only assume stats.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 25 at 2020 10:08 AM

2020-01-25T10:08:12-05:00

Yes, however, there must be something more here, the soldier recently failed and is this a retest. In which case the unit has good reason. To ETS with full benefit one should have maintained military standard.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jan 25 at 2020 10:27 AM

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Yes. He is still in the military. Just because he is short, doesn't change the fact that we must fulfill our oath of enlistment. I don't know if there is an exception in the regulations, but he gave his word when he raised his right hand.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2020 10:49 AM

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The Soldier should have already taken his final VA physical and is not authorized to take a PT test once that has been executed due to potential injury.

However, if he wants an ETS award I have seen Soldiers need to have a record test within 6 months of ETS award submission and many get into this issue

It seems illogical for any unit to levy such a requirement so I am sure there is more to the story. The Soldier should already be on PTDY and Terminal Leave anyways so there are some red flags here but every story is complexed and unique.

Response by SGM (R) Antonio Brown made Jan 25 at 2020 11:47 AM

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This Soldier should have already taken the exit(Army and VA) physical exam and the unit should have the Soldier annotated as a loss. The chain of command must keep in mind that of the Soldier is injured during the APFT and the Soldier chooses to pursue medical care this will push the Soldier past the ETS date. Unless things have changed this is reportable to BDE and DIV because now the unit has a non mission capable individual plus the individual is past the ETS date. My exit physical exams exempted me from taking an APFT and it was annotated in my out processing packet.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2020 11:54 AM

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Does "the command" want him to take one, or someone between him and the command team? Ninety percent of the time when Soldiers say, "My chain of command said (insert asinine requirement)..." they really mean a team leader or squad leader, who either doesn't understand the Commanders intent, or doesn't want to bother to ask for an exception that makes good sense.

As your your question, yes they have to, and yes they can still he flagged, and that would affect their ability to join the RC and would give them an RE3 on their 214.

You won't find anything anywhere in writing that says no APFT within X number of days of ETS, because it's not a real thing. It's more of a custom and tradition. Even when I separated in 2000 the norm was no PT after your ETS physical. But you won't find that written as a rule anywhere.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Jan 25 at 2020 11:58 AM

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Every so often a question gets posted here along the lines of " Why are young troops not staying in the military ?" There are no less than six responses to this initial question as to the very reason such things continue.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2020 1:16 PM

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If soldier is past phase 2 physical Command takes all responsibility for possible injuries

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made Jan 25 at 2020 1:35 PM

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Not wanting to take a PT Test is what's wrong with the New, Happy & Progressive Army. Doing exercise should not be used as punishment such as pushups in Basic Training. If I were the General of the Army, exercise would be fun events taken twice a day. The majority of the reaming time be dedicated to Soldier Skills. The PC bull shit would be 1% of the work day. Fitness is the most powerful personal weapon a warrior has. I did PT up until the last day I cleared. How long does it take to do a regular army PT Test? Hour-Two? On the other hand maybe it could be a gesture of running him on his way out.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2020 1:48 PM

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Yes, he is still on the AA-162. He counts against the unit until he is officially out. It will also trigger an event in DTMS where a Soldier has lapsed. I am sure your command is trying to get up to 100% on DTMS and they is why. He still has to take a PT test. I have heard people say that you can't do PT after you do your final physical but it is not in any regulation that I have ever found.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2020 6:04 PM

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Per AR 40-501 "There are no limitations placed upon Soldiers or commanders after a Phase 2 physical has been completed unless the Soldier has a profile with limitations that clearly and thoroughly outline those limitations. Soldiers are required to continue to participate in PT. In addition to PT, Soldiers can also continue to participate in unit training activities. The decision whether a Soldier participates, or does not participate in unit training activities, rests solely with the commander." Also After their Phase 2 physical, Soldiers are still required to be able to pass the Army Physical Fitness Test and meet the requirements of Army Regulation 600-9 until they are discharged from the Army.
and in accordance with AR 601-210, if a Soldier has not completed their eight-year total commitment, they are required to meet these standards even after leaving the active Army, since they can be recalled to active duty at any time within their period of obligation.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2020 2:19 AM

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(Not sure of the details for this person but, If they’ve already had their separation physical, they don’t have to do a pt test or conduct pt.

Response by COL Jeff Williams made Jan 26 at 2020 9:20 AM

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Who is the "command?" Is this a scheduled APFT? is it the new APFT?

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Jan 26 at 2020 11:07 AM

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If it were up to me I wouldn’t If a regularly scheduled PT test occurred within that 20 day window I would have him/her be a grader instead of having them take it

Response by 1SG Leroy Lucero made Jan 26 at 2020 12:17 PM

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It’s not in the PT Regs. It will be under the schools requirements.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Jan 29 at 2020 6:33 PM

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No, the Soldier is NOT required to take the PT test if they are within 179 days of ETSing. Here's why - 1.) The Soldier should have already cleared their outprocessing medical screening for disability evaluation. 2.) If the Soldier gets hurt during the PT test - then the Soldier will be retained on active duty on medical hold and convalescent leave until the injury has healed or been fixed, and then the Soldier must go through a medical evaluation process again - which may now qualify them for a medical retirement if they reach a disability evaluation of 30% or more.

Your command needs to stop being stupid - and focus on the Soldiers who are remaining in uniform and stop playing the hazing and harassment game with the Soldier who is leaving within days. I would also recommend this Soldier notify the IG about this issue, and file a Congressional complaint as it seems the command is just hazing and harassing them, and the Soldier should also get a profile to be exempt from the PT test. One thing is for certain, the Soldier does not have to take the PT test, but is also sounds like the command may want to use that as justification to give the Soldier a General Discharge or not give them an award for their service.

This is the reason the Army has a hard time keeping good Soldiers or recruiting now - word about this kind of ridiculous behavior by senior leaders gets out and it makes people think the Army is being ran by a Frat House Crew. If I were the O-6 or CG of this unit, I would fire the unit leaders for this kind of non-sense as they clearly are not focused on taking care of Soldiers, takong care of the mission, and ensuring those who have served are fully prepared to leave the Army when it comes their time to do so - either by end of service obligation or by retirement or by medical discharge or medical retirement.

Response by SFC Steven Karoly made Feb 2 at 2020 8:46 PM

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I agree, sounds like someone is trying is trying to make some type of point or maybe jealous for some reason. This action could surely backfire and have negative impact up the chain of command.

Response by SGT Thomas Price made Feb 3 at 2020 8:23 AM

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Its BS like this that gives the Army a black eye. And command wonders why they struggle with attraction and retention. This kind of nonsense gets passed around.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2020 1:48 PM

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I did a quick Google search and III Corps IG answered this question:

"The bottom line up front is this: There are no limitations placed upon Soldiers or commanders after a Phase 2 physical has been completed unless the Soldier has a profile with limitations that clearly and thoroughly outline those limitations. Soldiers are required to continue to participate in PT. There is no regulation that supports the myth that they can’t participate."

"In addition to PT, Soldiers can also continue to participate in unit training activities. The decision whether a Soldier participates, or does not participate in unit training activities, rests solely with the commander.

If a Soldier is injured while participating in PT or other unit training activities after completing their Phase 2 physical, Soldiers will seek normal medical treatment by utilizing the sick call process at their medical treatment facility."

http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/news/phase-physicals-when-completed-does-it-place-limitations-on-soldiers/article_54279128-10be-559d-9e56-1606cb909838.html

"PER AR 40-501, STANDARDS OF MEDICAL FITNESS, CHAPTER 8-24, (2) (d) (b): ENLISTED SOLDIERS BEING PROCESSED FOR SEPARATION UNDER PROVISIONS OF AR 635-200 , CHAPTER 5, PARAS 5-3 (INVOLUNTARY SEPARATIONS ONLY), 5-11, 5-12 AND 5-17 ONLY, AND CHAPTERS 8, 9, 11 (PARA 11—3B ONLY), 12 AND 18 WILL RECEIVE A SEPARATION MEDICAL EXAMINATION IF THE SOLDIER REQUESTS IT, OR IF, ON REVIEW OF THE MEDICAL RECORDS OR THE DD FORM 2697, A PHYSICIAN, A PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT, OR A NURSE PRACTITIONER FEELS AN EXAMINATION IS APPROPRIATE (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF INVOLUNTARILY RETAINED (STOP-LOSS) SOLDIERS)."

You aren't even required to get a medical exam if you're ETSing. And there is no regulation that says you can't do PT after your phase 2 physical for ETS. None. Unless someone can show it - your unit can make you take a PT test up to the day before your separation from the Army. Most units don't do stupid stuff like that though. I wouldn't have someone take a PT test who has 20 days left. It's a waste of time.

Phase 2 physicals: When completed, does it place limitations on Soldiers or commanders?

Here’s the situation: “Spc. John Doe” is preparing to exit the Army within the next two months and he has just completed his Phase 2 physical. One of Doe’s battle

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Feb 4 at 2020 4:09 PM

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No, only if the Soldier is inspired to do so. You did say 20 days left? However, if there are other underlying issues not mentioned, the Soldier's ETS orders could be amended to keep the Soldier longer in uniform.
Generally speaking, leaders probably should apply common sense to the situation....hoooah!!

Response by SSG Danny Anderson made Feb 6 at 2020 3:27 PM

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Why? He's gone in 20 days. Once he's had his final physical, he no longer has to do PT unless he wants to. He should be at 1st formation for accountability and after that his focus should be on finaling out and looking employment elsewhere. He should be checking in with his first line supervisor through out the day for accountability. If the command already approved his discharge papers he can refuse not to take the PT test or participate in any type of training. What command gon do? 4856 him, Kick him out...LOL. He's done

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Feb 6 at 2020 4:37 PM

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Sounds like soldier harassment to me. Reading the other comments posted, it looks like the senior NCOs have already answered this question well. I've experienced this too many times during my time in service, being one of the NCOs tasked to grade or record the soldier. I'd remind my leadership that with (insert soldier's name and rank here) being listed as an upcoming loss to the unit that their score will not count towards the unit average and that the soldier's PCS/ETS date could be pushed back if the soldier gets hurt during the APFT...which would end up costing the Army more money. The response I'd usually receive is, "Shut the f--- up, SGT Blue and do what the f--- I said! AIRBORNE?!?"

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Feb 6 at 2020 4:40 PM

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But keep in mind...I could be wrong about what I've said. I'm going off of experiences. And of course, everyone's is different.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2020 5:48 PM

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If it's only for stats because no one likes to see red on their readiness slides, especially when pulled from DTMS, then just give the SM a 180 input into DTMS and call it good. If he's known to always pass it shouldn't be an issue.
These kinds of questions and issues that get brought up make my head hurt with how many nonsense leaders are out there.

Response by SFC Lillie Brown made Feb 11 at 2020 4:45 PM

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The whole command is crazy, the soldier is clearly a loss, so what's the point?

Response by SSG Cameron "KB" Kingsbury made Feb 12 at 2020 6:10 PM

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This is the kind of thing that is what I call an easy win for the command. Don't force a soon-to-ETS soldier to do an APFT/ACFT as they are leaving. They already have enough to deal with getting their affairs in order so they can get back to Fort Couch. Thinking back on my ETS/Retirement. I had alot to get done so my family could making back home. As an NCO I wouldn't and have talked to my 1SG and CO about why this is unnecessary and a waste of resources and time for the command. Put the solder on known losses and move on to more important tasks.

Response by CDR William Kempner made Feb 13 at 2020 9:47 PM

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I would go out there and do my best to smoke it!! And remind them as I walked out.It is harassment, but it is comon.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Feb 16 at 2020 7:42 PM

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I had a PT test during my last two weeks with the rest of my battery in 1991. I passed but since I was leaving anyway I didn't put a lot of effort into it since I was basically in my own platoon anyway by then and had no incentive to blow it out of the water. Even when I do the test, many in the Battery disagreed and complained to the officers and sergeants who only shrugged.

The physical was the last thing I did. At the time, I was VERY SICK. I intended to separate, go home and find a cure and then re-up. The physical was basically the doctor saying to about 12 guys at sick call, give me your forms and I will just sign them all. It was that way at Ft. Dix too.

Unfortunately, I could not re-up. My family's doctor referred me to a Gastro-Intestinal doctor who diagnosed me during terminal leave with advanced Crohn's Disease and a colon that was about to burst. But now I have free care for that through the VA.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Feb 17 at 2020 8:34 AM

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There's a part of the Oath of Enlistment, or it was anyway, when I was still on active duty, "......I will obey the orders of the officers appointed over me........". Now, with having less than 30 days remaining on active duty, as an NCO or officer, common sense should dictate that the individual be excused from the PT test because he should have already had scheduled or completed his ETS physical.

Response by SSG Vincent Wilson made Feb 20 at 2020 10:29 PM

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Finish strong soldier!!!!! You ain't out yet.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Feb 24 at 2020 6:19 PM

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Army regs are out of my wheel house but if he has already taken his final physical he shouldn’t be on a PT test roster. If he gets injured it would put him into a position where he would potentially not have enough time to have it entered into his medical record. But unless you have someone who is a Boy Scout and a firm follower of the rules you will get a lot of flak by the “just shut up and do it” crowd.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Feb 25 at 2020 1:12 PM

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After returning from Korea and reporting to my new duty station,the CO told me to go through the barracks and tell those that need a haircut to go get one. The only soldiers left were those that were very short and recently returned from overseas.All others were on maneuvers.Never figured if the CO was testing me or wanted to see me get my ass whipped.Same for the jerk that wants the soldier to take a PT test.

Response by MAJ James McGinn made Feb 26 at 2020 9:10 AM

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Sounds like he has a command that is after him big time. I would be inclined to tell him to be lost the day of the test just to see what are they gonna do? (IF you really like the guy but YOU never said that!)

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Feb 27 at 2020 7:26 PM

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If I were this young soldier, I would show up as ordered and do the test. But I would probably have a terrible spill on the run and hurt myself to the point of being on medical hold (all faked of course). And then write my Congressmen and Senators and demand an investigation be done as to why I was forced to do it with only 20 days out. And have Mommy and Daddy call and complain while also contacting the representatives in Washington.

Response by SFC Luke Bartley made Feb 28 at 2020 10:21 AM

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Its harassment plain in simple. Pencil whip one up to appease the toxic leadership.
SFC (ret)

Response by CW3 Kevin Pfanstiel made Feb 28 at 2020 11:04 AM

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This sounds absurd to me. I assume that the Soldier has also taken his exit physical. If that is the case, then he should be exempt from taking a PT test. What did this Soldier do to upset the brass?

Response by SGT Robert Sanchez made Feb 28 at 2020 11:43 AM

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Before I retired, my 1sgt wanted me to take the PT test even though I was already out processing. He and I had bump heads quite a few times. So he lets the company know that I am taking the PT test. The day of the PT test I show up to take it. I have never failed a PT Test in my whole military career. So the first event is the sit ups. I get into position and sit up, I hold that position for 2 minutes and lay down. 1 sit up. The push up is the next event, I get into the start position, time begins, I hold the up position for 1 minute and 50 seconds, go down and come up. 1 push up and time. Time for the run, time starts, i place 1 foot in front of the other and continue for the 2 miles. 3 hrs 15 minutes later I cross the finish line. The company had to stay until the last person cross the finish line. The 1sg was pissed beyond believe, I explained that I was following his orders and doing the PT Test, however he never said I had to pass it. He tried to get me to redo the PT test but the SMG told him to let it go and learn from how he treated those under him.

Response by SPC Robert Hendrickson made Feb 28 at 2020 12:29 PM

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Yes..soldier..must..a) in case the desire of reenlisting..b) to make sure no illnesses are present..c) in case soldier desire to try for civil service job(s)..d) see a- c.. : )

Response by SGT Alejandro Benavides made Feb 28 at 2020 12:38 PM

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I was medically discharged and my unit had me on the PT test list. I had a boot on. I looked at my Platoon Sergeant and then at my boot. And he looked back at me and said “yeah this is dumb” and walked away.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2020 2:20 PM

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Tell that soldier to fall out for sick call that day. Then again if he's an expert Sham shield, he'll already know what to do

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 29 at 2020 12:47 PM

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It is not that big of a secret that some commands tend to be rectal sphincters and will make a soldier stand and IG inspection with less time than that before there ETS/DEROS date, especially to harass a member of a unit.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Feb 29 at 2020 5:25 PM

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Good question - Ask his first-line Commanding Officer directly for clarification. Be prepared to support your reasons for asking.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 29 at 2020 11:15 PM

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Personally I would just do the test cause I could pass it in my sleep literally running backwards. But thats just me. But to me that seems like someone does not like him and is trying to get him mad enough to screw up so they cans screw with him more. I mean 20 days and he is gone forever and he does not have to do a PT test to go to civilian life.

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Mar 1 at 2020 12:47 AM

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I had a commander that required a Soldier with less than 10 days to ETS to take an APFT. Why? The Soldier consistently scored 300+, and the commander wanted to pad his stats. The Soldier scored a perfect 180. Actually stopped short of the finish on the run and let the clock tick down. Even the 1SG thought it was epic.

Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made Mar 1 at 2020 10:19 AM

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Is this a special PT test for this soldier or is it part of unit training (the entire company is taking a PT Test)? If the latter, what excuses the soldier from participating in unit training until he begins installation clearance?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2020 12:32 PM

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The soldier should even be doing pt at this point.

Response by 1SG Lance Bedson made Mar 1 at 2020 6:59 PM

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The last time I checked you’re a soldier until your not. Suck it up buttercup.

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Mar 1 at 2020 8:10 PM

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I'm with CSM Satterly on this. That said, does your troop have a job waiting for him? He could call their bluff and fail the test. Then the Army has to retain him and pay him until he can pass the test.

Response by Col Donald Davis made Mar 2 at 2020 10:54 AM

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Good riddance to this soldier. Good luck with this kind of whining in the civilian world. If he or she has an issue they should get a doctor to say "no more pt." "Seek a solution rather than complain about the problem!"

Response by SPC Andrew Murray made Mar 2 at 2020 11:33 AM

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Apparently by regulation he still has to take the test. The IG might be interested in why a command feels it necessary to give him a PT test so close to ETS and look into any possible hazing.

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Mar 4 at 2020 8:37 AM

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Simple answer is YES. Why? Because he could be retained if there is an immediate recall due to an impending war. You are not "out" until ou have papers in hand and return to your home of record. So comply and be happy to know your physical status when you leave the Military.

Response by SP5 Matt Wyeth made Mar 4 at 2020 8:03 PM

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Pound sand command.

Response by Sgt Richard May made Mar 5 at 2020 10:11 AM

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Response by SFC David S made Mar 5 at 2020 2:53 PM

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I had a 1SG that hated two of my soldiers and he made it his lifes mission to ensure they ets without an award. I managed to sneak one through S1 and got an award for soldier NO1, I went on leave and while I was gone he put out my NO2 soldier without an award. He actually changed his ets to get him out before I returned. they were both smart, loyal and hard workers, they were not in compliance with weight(getting out soon made them eat the foods they missed). so what, they served their country and deserved and award. The 1SG was wrong. period...

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Mar 5 at 2020 6:44 PM

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No! He is being harassed if he already has a PFT on the books for last year, he should be good to go.. JP

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 1:13 PM

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Sounds like we dont have all the information...but...if the Soldier is 20 days out what is the point? The Soldier should be going through the transition briefs. Do you have an update?
The risk of the Soldier getting injured outweighs the need for a PT test.

Response by SGT Rafael Morales made Mar 6 at 2020 5:41 PM

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They are making sure he does not reenlist.

Response by SSG John Dunshee made Mar 24 at 2020 6:34 PM

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One week before I retired Bn scheduled me to take a Basic Skills Test. I told them that I was retiring the following week. They insisted, so I went to each station and told them to fail me. Guess they a bad example for the younger troops to be sure. Guess they never heard of FIGMO.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Mar 27 at 2020 10:34 PM

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Unless that person is processing out then No, but if that person isn't processing out, then that person might need to participate his first Sgt or command would be able to decide

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2020 10:10 PM

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That is a broad question. It depends on the situation. While I agree with most of the comments by the senior NCOs, which are spot on, there is always a possibility of a soldier who is trying to manipulate the system. However, if the soldier has been a good soldier without any issues, I don't see the point of making him do a PT test.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Apr 12 at 2020 7:35 PM

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I say no. Has the soldier had his ets physical if so and he has his ets order then he should not be participating in any training.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2020 11:27 AM

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Technically, yes. My opinion is it is the Commander's best interest to let that one go. First of all, why do that to the Soldier, regardless of why he's ETSing? Second, if he fails, then what? What is the next step? Third, if he gets bare minimum out of spite, that will destroy some APFT stats across the board...unless you toss the 705 in the trash.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2020 9:59 PM

2020-04-15T21:59:07-04:00

Tell him to tell the command to go pound sand. By regs he doesn't have to.

Response by SSG Bill Cooke made Apr 15 at 2020 10:19 PM

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I agree with CSM Satterly. That reads as harassment. Yet I would not fail that test just to be a good person.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2020 3:22 PM

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This is a stupid decision by the command. They can force him to take it but they should code him as a loss. They can’t stop his discharge for failing it but if the soldier decides to bomb it, the fail will go against the unit’s numbers and readiness report. This is stupidity and toxic leadership.

“Look what I made him do”?

Really, really poor leader.

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Apr 16 at 2020 4:46 PM

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As a former Training NCO, I would look to see if he/she has a passed APFT/ACFT within the last year, if he/she does, let him leave without issue. But if he/she hasn't, you are required to chapter him/her as not meeting standard. If he/she decides to come back in, he/she would have to pass one in order to be accepted.
It might end up being a reduced discharge. (General under Honorable circumstances) and he/she would have a conditional entry code on their DD214.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Apr 17 at 2020 10:08 PM

2020-04-17T22:08:44-04:00

He shouldn't have to but might be better to check with command

Response by CPL Jarod Depastene made Apr 18 at 2020 3:57 PM

2020-04-18T15:57:04-04:00

Hell no, he doesn't, and you should be fighting for him. The last 45 days before ETS should be spent out-processing, prepping his VA claim, getting his shit in order, and attending every pre-ETS training he can. And he's got less than three weeks left.
Your command team is toxic.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2020 6:58 AM

2020-04-19T06:58:15-04:00

If they have had their phase II physical, nope.

Response by CWO4 Miles Weaver made Apr 19 at 2020 3:13 PM

2020-04-19T15:13:45-04:00

If the soldier is in the military, and receiving full pay, why should he not have to take a PT test? Don't be a sissy!

Response by 1SG Daniel Bellina made Apr 19 at 2020 5:19 PM

2020-04-19T17:19:01-04:00

Still getting paid and is still a soldier What;s the problem?

Response by MAJ Jeffrey Johnson made Apr 19 at 2020 10:14 PM

2020-04-19T22:14:09-04:00

It used to be 6 months prior to ETS, but there is no limit on regulation, now, that I know of. I met an NCO last fall who bragged that he gave a OR text to a soldier 30 days before ETS. When the kid failed, he was chartered and lost all of his benefits. I can't imagine a leader being proud of this!

Response by TSgt Erica Claus-numsali made Apr 20 at 2020 1:16 AM

2020-04-20T01:16:33-04:00

nope. the soldier does not have to take the test because s/he would need 30 days to acclimate wherever s/he reports.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Apr 20 at 2020 8:41 AM

2020-04-20T08:41:28-04:00

Testing the soldier is an absurd waste of time and resources but if the command tells you to do it, get it done.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Apr 20 at 2020 2:22 PM

2020-04-20T14:22:10-04:00

EEO complaint, this is what happens when education based leadership is given a higher stature over God’s Holy Spirit based Leadership.

Response by SFC Joseph Behmke made Apr 20 at 2020 2:36 PM

2020-04-20T14:36:56-04:00

That Command needs a whack in the back of the head; he should contact the servicing IG.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2020 8:56 PM

2020-04-20T20:56:09-04:00

Tell your command you have released the Soldier to complete his TAPS and he will be unavailable for an APFT. The SGMs have already commented on what “should be” (counted as a loss, final medical, etc), but your other Soldiers will watch how you handle this.

Response by SSG Eric Mawabi made Apr 20 at 2020 10:30 PM

2020-04-20T22:30:54-04:00

If this soldier is Scheduled for ETS in 20 days then he is considered in "ETS" status and is not mandated for such test because he/she is considered as a loss to the unit. Although that soldier is accounted for by the unit until they sign out of the unit with PCS orders in hand, the soldier's wellness the responsibility of the unit but the PT test is only required for soldiers continuing and entering service.

Response by SGM(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 2:21 PM

2020-04-21T14:21:44-04:00

Depends..

Did the soldier complete his phase 2 physical.. if the answer is no then he should take it. DTMS doesnt discriminate, it doesnt take into account Soldiers on leave..it hurts the companies stats.. I personally have soldiers get up to date on all HR Metrics and training qual as best I can so when they go on PCS/Transition leave they dont sit red for 2 months. And APFT is the easiest PT you do all week.. if you have to study for it, your organization probably has not been conducting good physical fitness training.

Response by SGT Rafael Morales made Apr 21 at 2020 11:00 PM

2020-04-21T23:00:49-04:00

If you shove a PT test down his throat, you lost a possible reenlistment or a career reservist. Nothing worse than leaving with a bad taste in your mouth. Every veteran is a potential recruiter. I have counseled many young people who wanted to know about enlisting from a veteran. Remember that.

Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made Apr 22 at 2020 2:38 PM

2020-04-22T14:38:59-04:00

ACAP much? After the ETS physical is begun, PT should be off limits for the Soldier. Strain your spleen after starting the physical? Gotta start the physical over. No APFT for him.

Response by MAJ Damajah Arnold made Apr 23 at 2020 1:19 PM

2020-04-23T13:19:18-04:00

Is the soldier willing to give up his last 20 days of pay? He’s subject to the code up until his ETS date and in some cases, beyond.

Response by SPC Steve Mason made Apr 23 at 2020 5:03 PM

2020-04-23T17:03:45-04:00

Who did this guy piss off?

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2020 1:34 AM

2020-04-24T01:34:10-04:00

He is a 'pending loss' within the 90 day window, especially if he has chosen not to re-enlist or is barred from re-enlisting. Although he can't refuse to take the APFT, he doesn't necessarily have to pass it. Of course, if the leadership is harassing the soldier, then a failure could result in counseling and flagging action. Just depends on how far they and the soldier want to push this.

Response by PVT Rocky Susshine made Apr 24 at 2020 5:58 AM

2020-04-24T05:58:31-04:00

Daha. He's in the military yes? Why would he want to ETS now? there's no jobs our hear. The military is offering volunteer extensions.

Response by PVT Rocky Susshine made Apr 24 at 2020 6:00 AM

2020-04-24T06:00:38-04:00

In Nam. 3 days returning to the states. Out on LP.

Response by CPT Maurice Skillern made Apr 24 at 2020 2:52 PM

2020-04-24T14:52:48-04:00

It is my opinion that he does not need to perform the PT test. The results dont matter he is getting out anyway. The command is just being butholes.

Response by SFC Lillie Brown made Apr 24 at 2020 5:18 PM

2020-04-24T17:18:23-04:00

WHY?????

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2020 6:52 PM

2020-04-24T18:52:17-04:00

Its either harassing or they're too stupid to know they don't need one from him. I actually had a doctor I worked with in this almost exact situation. He was enough of a smart-ass that he showed up, did 1 push up, 1 sit up and sat down just across the starting line for the 2-mile run, stood up, said "okay, thanks" and went about his day of getting out of the Army. He got out, went to a surgical residency and he is much happier. How do you think that failed PT test affected him or his final OER...?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2020 10:13 PM

2020-04-25T22:13:22-04:00

Typically, Soldiers within 90 days of ETS shouldn't take a PT test. If SM gets injured, the Army could potentially ha e to extend him in order to take care of any medical issues since it happened in LOD

Response by SFC Tom Crenshaw made Apr 26 at 2020 11:32 PM

2020-04-26T23:32:40-04:00

My suggestion is for him to fail. Nothing worse on a commanders record. Teach him/ her a life lesson that will last long past his ets.

Response by MSgt Currie C. made Apr 27 at 2020 1:27 AM

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Response by SSG Darcy Davis made Apr 27 at 2020 8:01 AM

2020-04-27T08:01:40-04:00

If he has had his Final physical all ready the command can not make him do pt

Response by 1SG James Kelly made May 3 at 2020 8:40 PM

2020-05-03T20:40:55-04:00

Some people really should not be in command slots.

Response by LtCol Dennis Ivan made May 14 at 2020 6:33 AM

2020-05-14T06:33:25-04:00

Dont know about the Army, but in the USMC, you may be directed to take a pt test at any time. However, you cannot be made to take it for score. But if you fail it does mean you are under evaluation for being put on a pt program.
However, if a Commander did this with that close to an EAS, it would likely result in a request mast and the PC getting in trouble.

Response by MAJ Jimmy M. made May 14 at 2020 6:43 PM

2020-05-14T18:43:37-04:00

Waaaaay back in 1985, we had a Soldier that was due to ETS in about a month. There was a scheduled PT test. He barely passed the push ups and sit ups. Fine.
During the run, he grabbed a cup of coffee and took a break. He was given the option to go on remedial PT and get flagged as he ETS'd or take it again the next day and pass it. He took it again and passed.
My question though, was this a scheduled event or did someone just decide to mess with the Soldier?

Response by 1SG David Akerson made May 17 at 2020 3:05 PM

2020-05-17T15:05:37-04:00

If Ordered to, the answer is yes. He/she is still under UMCJ!!!

Response by 1SG David Akerson made May 17 at 2020 3:07 PM

2020-05-17T15:07:02-04:00

If he is/she Ordered to take PT test, the answer is yes. He/she is still under UMCJ! 1st Sgt. David Akerson, retired.

Response by CWO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2020 7:29 PM

2020-05-17T19:29:17-04:00

Debatable, BUT. If that person is even remotely considering some follow on career in the Reserves or Guard, I would highly recommend they perform it. It cant hurt to have a final passing PFT on the books. Just my .02 When I got back in, I had to jump through giant hoops to get back in because I poo-pooed some things when I left active that would have made the transition easier. Hindsight is 20/20...

Response by SGT(P) Vincent Kuhlman made May 18 at 2020 3:38 PM

2020-05-18T15:38:50-04:00

1SG Lucero is correct If you are within 30 days of ETS, and you've taken your final physical, you are not suposed to do PT. on the predence you could hurt your self.. and be extended past your ETS date.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2020 6:08 PM

2020-05-18T18:08:25-04:00

The majority of the folks here are correct: command is screwing with him.

Assuming he actually is a dirtbag, if he hasn't been bad enough to give a disconnected or even general discharge, he's met his enlistment requirements and you need to ask the readiness NCO to back off.

Also, who knows, maybe the soldier will learn from your example of going to bat for him and become a better citizen as a civilian.

Response by Sgt Ken Holsworth made May 19 at 2020 7:57 AM

2020-05-19T07:57:28-04:00

I had to complete my pet two weeks before leaving Japan to get out on return

Response by SFC Robert Brooks made May 19 at 2020 8:57 AM

2020-05-19T08:57:15-04:00

Shitty leadership. These same people will want to go ROAD for six months when it's their time to go.

Response by SSG Carlos Garcia made May 19 at 2020 12:13 PM

2020-05-19T12:13:31-04:00

Soldiers aren't required to complete a separation physical test IAW AR 40-501 para 8-24 a&b. You can take terminal leave and just return for your out-processing.

Response by SFC Rocco Leoni made May 19 at 2020 3:09 PM

2020-05-19T15:09:22-04:00

he or she has to pass the pt test or there out unless there close then you can pass the put he or she can pass the test in 3e0 day can loss the pounds easy just do not eat or I have to be there to watch you every step you can lose 30 pounds in 30 days i won lost pounds contest 3 times so do not tell me it cant be done so there.

Response by SFC Rocco Leoni made May 19 at 2020 3:16 PM

2020-05-19T15:16:39-04:00

the soldier has to take the pt test put the soldier can lose 20 pounds in in 20 days but i have to be there to watch the soldier at all times so Thats it.

Response by Sgt Ed Allen made May 19 at 2020 4:04 PM

2020-05-19T16:04:23-04:00

While unsure of what policy is, it would seem to me, that this is a case of pettiness or harrassment.
When I only had 4 weeks left in the Corps, I had my discharge physical. At that point, the company 1st Sgt decided he wanted to take the unit on a 26 mile hike with pack and 782 gear. I simply let him know that it wasn't going to happen as my discharge physical was completed and I would not participate. His response was petty. "If you were a good NCO, you'd be marching with your troops."
My response was simple, "If I was a good NCO, I would have been promoted to SSgt."
Best of luck to you Sgt G. Hopefully you have made good friends while serving. And, hopefully, your brothers in arms will remember that the politics that causes many great soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen leave the service is not the end all and be all.
Be proud of what you did and carry on.

Response by SGT Andrew Howard made May 20 at 2020 2:20 PM

2020-05-20T14:20:27-04:00

Who did he piss off?

Response by CPL Robert Headrick made May 20 at 2020 7:25 PM

2020-05-20T19:25:48-04:00

In Germany, we had a guy that was ETSing and Top made him take his final PT test. He had been known to do 100 pushups, 100 situps and 10-2 miles. He just told them 10, 10 and 20 meaning 10 pushups, 10 situps and 20 minute 2 miles. He did just that. He even smoked a cigarette while running the 2 miles.

Response by CW2 Stephen Pate made May 21 at 2020 10:06 AM

2020-05-21T10:06:59-04:00

One of the companies I support had a SM do a 12 mile ruck the day before he ETS'd. The kid was literally signing out the next day. I wish I knew about this so I could train that command team.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 1:17 PM

2020-05-21T13:17:11-04:00

Of course the commander is going to require it. That's the commander's job/discretion. In good faith, even though the SM is getting out, should take the APFT. If the CO wanted to make it worse, he/she could pursue UCMJ action and delay SM's ETS.

Response by CPL Brian Baumgartner made May 21 at 2020 4:16 PM

2020-05-21T16:16:05-04:00

In the short term, he could face UCMJ if he refuses to do it, regardless of whether the test is lawful. But this sounds like harassment; I cannot think of a single good reason for his participation. He should have had his physical by then. If he is injured, his ETS date could change. And in the bigger picture, he could go to the VA in three weeks and report a major injury and say it happened due to command harassing him by forcing participation in a PT test conducted after his ETS physical. Think of the can of worms THAT would open. I would tell him to take test, but privately imply to him that a Smart Sapper would do as little on that test and any possible PT sessions as he thought wise.

Response by SSG John Naquin made May 21 at 2020 6:40 PM

2020-05-21T18:40:06-04:00

The bottom line is the unit is going to do what ever they can get away with. If a challenge is presented then plans change miraculously. You as soldiers leader should be fighting to allow soldier ample time not having to deam with this b.s. if need be take the hit. I can only speak for myself a soldier who has done physicals will not be going to field or take pt test. His focus should be on ensuring he has something set up for future success not about whats going to be in his past

Response by MSgt Harold Harris made May 22 at 2020 8:05 AM

2020-05-22T08:05:00-04:00

As I was ready to retire, I rejected the Air Force desire to give me a 10% disability. I was looking forward to entering the private sector and stare a civilian career. That worked for me real well for more than 10 years, then I had a heart attack and required medication on a daily basis. Not a problem initially, and then I deployed to Miami for Hurricane Andrew. I ran short of medication and visited the VA to see if I could refill my medication. They could not find me in their records, but did check me out and provided me with a two week supply. After that, my local VA in Atlanta asked me to come in for a check-up. They found that I was suffering from type II diabetes, caused by Agent Orange and granted me a 40% disability. I asked them about the heart attack, and they said that Agent Orange had nothing to do with that. By that time, I had already suffered, or survived three heart attacks. A young Solider, suffering with the same condition I had with my heart, challenged the VA's finding and won his case. The VA called me in based on the legal finding and reviewed my history and decided to grant me 100% disability. However they were only willing to go back to my first visit, some 10+ years to pay me the disability pay. I loss more than 10 years of pay. I say all of this to suggest, if the military want to check you out before leaving, accept it. Get it on record, it may pay off in the future. Just an old man's view.

Response by LTC Chad Uhl made May 22 at 2020 7:20 PM

2020-05-22T19:20:30-04:00

Does your commander, Battalion or Brigade know this is being required by a company commander, current DA level orders have waived the APFT from 1 October because of the new APFT transition. Current test is good through 1 OCT 2021(FY). There is no regulation, however, that exempts a Soldier from ANY PT or test until they sign out regardless of ETS/Ret physical complete.

Response by SFC James Jones made May 23 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-05-23T10:26:47-04:00

My suggestion is go thru your chain of command to resolve this issue and not this site. See what they have to say, then you covered your ass.

Response by SGM (R) Antonio Brown made May 23 at 2020 3:06 PM

2020-05-23T15:06:51-04:00

When I was a Squad Leader(SSG/E6) I had a Soldier to complete his phase 2 physical exam for separation from the military. On all official documentation he is a loss and a Soldier has been requisitioned to take his place. At PT formation we began to conduct warmups and this Soldier, while jogging in place, steps on his keys and we all could hear the Pop. The Soldier broke his foot stepping on the keys. Fast forward. 9AM I am explaining to the Company Commander and 1SG what happened and why the Soldier was participating in PT after having completed the phase 2 of his separation physical exam. Because the Soldier was close to getting out of the Army all communication was face to face all the way to 18th ABN Corps HQ. I forgot to mention that I was in the 101st Chemical Company on Fort Bragg. Before the day was over, it was explained to me in great detail, that the military will have to pay the Soldier beyond is ETS date because the Soldier has to be extended for medical reasons. The Soldier will receive medical care until he is fit to leave the military. And I was told that I should have used common sense and have the profile PT instructor to take charge of the Soldier. For the remainder of my career I never made that mistake again while educating the NCOs on my team. Many years ago I had a SGM to tell me that there is a fine line between being hard and being stupid. You decide which side of that line to be on.

Response by SSG David Angell made May 24 at 2020 9:49 AM

2020-05-24T09:49:02-04:00

Like it or not, he is still a soldier..for at least 20 more days.
If I were him I would take it. Whether he passes it or not is irrelevant, he did the PT test, as ordered.

Response by SPC Daniel Rule made May 24 at 2020 8:09 PM

2020-05-24T20:09:37-04:00

As long has he did his phase out physical (phase 2 or 3 don’t remember which) he is exempt from PT and PT tests

Response by SSG Michael Struppa made May 25 at 2020 6:36 PM

2020-05-25T18:36:21-04:00

Free my boi! No test!!!

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made May 25 at 2020 6:55 PM

2020-05-25T18:55:32-04:00

Tell him to take it or go to sick call. And congratulate him for getting out so he doesn’t have to deal with dicks like that anymore.

Response by LCpl Douglas Elfving made May 25 at 2020 10:06 PM

2020-05-25T22:06:18-04:00

He's still in the military until he isn't... if they give him a lawful order he is obligated to obey it... end of story!!!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2020 9:06 AM

2020-05-26T09:06:30-04:00

I would say it is strange that the command would require this Soldier to take a PT. What is going to be the benefit. Do they require all Soldiers that are ETSing to take a PT no matter how many days they have left in the Army? As the Soldier leader, why do you think they have taken so much interest in your Soldier? Have you pointed out to the command that the Soldier is ETSing in less than 20 days? The test could really be for you to see if you are willing to speak up for your Soldiers when you know what is been asked of them doesn't make sense.

Hopefully the command comes to their senses and let the Soldier ETS in peace.

Response by MSG Jim Martin made May 26 at 2020 10:13 AM

2020-05-26T10:13:14-04:00

If it's due, need to complete. Still might re-enlist or need to be extended to national emergency and needs to pass. If soldier in shape, should have no problem.

Response by SGT Louie Santana made May 26 at 2020 8:21 PM

2020-05-26T20:21:17-04:00

Why? Last thing they would wan’t is him to slip and bust an ankle end up with LOD. Getting stuck on his way out.

Response by SGT Jeremy Boyd made May 27 at 2020 9:41 AM

2020-05-27T09:41:52-04:00

Either your chain of command or your NCO support channel contain a shitbag or two. Tread lightly.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2020 11:57 AM

2020-05-27T11:57:15-04:00

Does it matter really, just do what you can with an honest try and hold your head high when leaving!

Response by SFC Steven Schafer made May 27 at 2020 10:30 PM

2020-05-27T22:30:42-04:00

What did he do to make his life miserable? This is obviously an a commander who is handling his ETS with a little bit of malice, or a section NCO with an axe to grind. An APFT is not a requirement for a DD 214. This soldier is returning to the real world, no physical is required.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made May 28 at 2020 11:25 AM

2020-05-28T11:25:27-04:00

It seems the this Commander didn’t read the AR therefore he isn’t required to take a PFT.

Response by CPL Kelly Barr made May 28 at 2020 1:30 PM

2020-05-28T13:30:14-04:00

It's up to the soldier. If he is going to another station it would help him or her stay ahead and up to date with their pt test. If they are getting out for good , then it's pointless and possibly harassment

Response by CW3 Charles Morris made May 28 at 2020 8:30 PM

2020-05-28T20:30:13-04:00

Unnecessary. As a CW3 approaching retirement (2-month out and a test less than one year old), my company commander thought I too should take the test. While initially demuring, I cheerfully said 'sure sir, I'll take the test.' Told him I'd do one push-up, one set-up and stroll around the track. He was taken back and said 'but Chief, you'll fail.' I acknowledged he was right. When he realized I'd be a PT failure reported to the battalion commander, and that the BC's first question 'what were you thinking,' he thought twice about my test.

Response by SGT Daniel Durkovich made May 28 at 2020 10:19 PM

2020-05-28T22:19:55-04:00

You never know if he may be stop losses or something else. I took my last PT 35 days before my ETS and I was a Med Board.

Response by TSgt Gary Garvin made May 29 at 2020 1:28 PM

2020-05-29T13:28:12-04:00

His/her commander is an ass!

Response by SFC Joseph Behmke made May 29 at 2020 4:21 PM

2020-05-29T16:21:18-04:00

Thanks, did my 28 but had a P3 profile because of my back injury and couldn’t get promoted. Been Retired for over 18 years now; didn’t know the new APFT pass/fail requirements.

Response by SN Jay Perry made Jun 2 at 2020 8:05 PM

2020-06-02T20:05:51-04:00

I have seen ships/stations REQUIRE that the person take the PT as part of their CHECKOUT to leave! Not necessarily as PASS/FAIL but I have seen commands do it, remember you have to be FIT enough to discharged.... My last active duty ship I missed the PT due to the ship getting underway and my ETS being three days later while they were out, the command had a PT test the day after they got back (changed on the schedule due to underway period).

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Jun 5 at 2020 8:38 PM

2020-06-05T20:38:19-04:00

What kind of foolishness is this! if the soldier intends to leave the military and head to the transitional point in 20 days and a wake-up, he does not need any "Dam" PT Test. I've never heard of something so stupid in my life, maybe that Dizzy Cdr. needs to do the PT Test himself, and let's see how he would fare out on that one. The soldier can opt out of that foolishness if he wants to, I know that I would. And don't let that stupid commander starts harassing him with article 15 action. If this be the case and they try to hold him beyond his ETS date for this stupid action, he's going to have to answer to a higher power within the Chain of Command. The solider does have the option to seek counseling from the Inspector General's Office (IG). It sounds like this Cdr. needs to really get a life, and find something more constructive to do within his company, like focusing on the rest of the soldiers to ensure that they are in the readiness mode for anything that may come down through the Chain of Command within a moments notice.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2020 7:49 PM

2020-06-06T19:49:07-04:00

thank you everyone for the comments. the soldier did not do the test he was set free.

Response by Sgt Henry Miller made Jun 7 at 2020 1:32 PM

2020-06-07T13:32:37-04:00

He should do it!! One it's an order. 2 If he has any physical problems it will be noted then if he ever needs a claim he has proof of it. So many do not and therefore suffer with pain and loss. For instance my last PT's I walked in the time frame I could not run. But some idiot recorded it as I ran. My knees swelled up I suffered many years. Went to VA when I got out 1982 they turned me away. I never went back until 2005 when unit had a reunion. VA would say I only had back injury in service what does the knees have to do with that. 5 years later after many appeals.
So do it and make sure it is filled in correctly if he can not then he has proof.

Response by MSG Felipe De Leon Brown made Jun 10 at 2020 7:56 PM

2020-06-10T19:56:50-04:00

One month before I retired, I took the AFRT just like everyone else in my unit. I was the Center and Bn's Operations Sergeant (E9 Billet). I was in physical therapy and could have wimped out. I chose to, instead, be an example for the rest of the soldiers in the command. I maxed the test and had no physical problems afterwards. In my case, it was always leadership by example. Does a soldier have to take the test when they have a very short period of service time remaining? I would like to think that they would as one of their last "hurrahs" but then, not all short timers have ever been dedicated.

Response by TSgt Brent Strickland made Jun 10 at 2020 8:46 PM

2020-06-10T20:46:20-04:00

Yes, He or She must pass. Look I did 36 years Army and Air Force, * combat zones, I Had to take PT Tests every 90 days. I was a green Bret and when I went into the Air Force I was a Black Beret. I was a cop and a deputy sheriff. Things happen.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2020 12:41 AM

2020-06-21T00:41:49-04:00

We had a soldier that was getting out of the army and still made him do a pt test , I never understood the point .

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2020 11:54 AM

2020-06-21T11:54:48-04:00

It seems that “somebody” wants to plat hard ass... It is incredible the amount of crap I am seem from our military admin personnel.... It has come to the point of being ridiculous....

Response by MSgt Joseph Holness made Jun 21 at 2020 2:18 PM

2020-06-21T14:18:00-04:00

LOL! They just want to make sure he or she is "physically-fit" for civilian life.

Response by SGT Augusto Juarez made Jun 22 at 2020 12:28 PM

2020-06-22T12:28:03-04:00

I was made to do one like 2 weeks before ETS as well and I, being the lemming that I am, just went with it. I really went for it and scored in the 290s. I don’t know if this helped the unit in that they got a free score boost, or hurt it in that they were losing a good Soldier that they didn’t treat that well.

Response by CPL John Fournier made Jun 23 at 2020 2:01 PM

2020-06-23T14:01:55-04:00

If the soldier already checked out a medical he doesn’t have to do the PT test it’s ridiculous to do a PT test

Response by SFC Jeffery Hodgkinson made Jun 23 at 2020 5:06 PM

2020-06-23T17:06:42-04:00

Yes it is required to do an exit PT test. That way if the soldier decides to enlist into a different branch, or the same branch, the unit commander has some data on he/she physical condition at the time of separation. Also may help the SM in filing a claim with the VA as well.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Jun 23 at 2020 10:34 PM

2020-06-23T22:34:08-04:00

No he / she does not have to take it. But it would behoove of him / her to take and pass the PT test. Why I say this. Lets jump to the future. If this soldier decides to reenlist later in the Army or any other service. The recruiter will look into his / her past record. By taking and passing the PT Test will give him / her a favorable reenlistment & spin code. If he / her don't take it or don't pass can give the person a unfavorable reenlistment / spin code that would be frowned upon by recruiters. We don't know what the future holds but doesn't hurt to prepare for it in a positive way to be a success. Oh! a footnote, employers will look at ones military career past.

Response by PO3 Daniel Edmonds made Jun 24 at 2020 9:40 AM

2020-06-24T09:40:18-04:00

I remember a story when I was in the navy about a guy in this same position. all he did was 1 pushup and 1 situp and casually walked the mile and half. The command was pissed but he gave no fucks as he was getting out anyhow.

Response by CW3 Cenise Williams-ellison made Jun 24 at 2020 10:38 AM

2020-06-24T10:38:53-04:00

Technically after he receives his final physical he is not suppose to do anything.....

Response by SPC Melody Joyce made Jun 24 at 2020 9:38 PM

2020-06-24T21:38:23-04:00

How about this:

Response by SPC Melody Joyce made Jun 24 at 2020 9:40 PM

2020-06-24T21:40:07-04:00

No, ridiculous!

Response by SPC Jacob Hostetler made Jun 24 at 2020 9:58 PM

2020-06-24T21:58:44-04:00

Happened to me the day I ETS, have to do it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2020 12:54 PM

2020-06-25T12:54:05-04:00

No. Under 30 days he is a loss. Any injury in this 30 days the Branco of service is responsible for and the chain of command should be held accountable. Unless the service member is in a critical shortage slot and placed on stop loss, then they would be involuntary extended but, that would be a rare circumstance.

Response by SFC Michael Palmer made Jun 25 at 2020 3:28 PM

2020-06-25T15:28:46-04:00

Too many commanders view separation in a negative light. My last battalion commander threw my Meritorious Service Medal (retirement award) in the circular file. Never got it. He was mad because I had a P3 profile (all service connected) and couldn't pad his APFT numbers and my retirement "hurt his numbers"; I just wanted to "get out of the way". These service members have honorably fulfilled their contracts; I don't understand them being harassed. Had the SM in question been injured and medically extended, I imagine they would have made his life hell i.e. CQ/Staff Duty Runner 24 on/ 24 off. Some commanders wonder why nobody wants to reenlist. I was fortunate when I ETSed from active duty on 30NOV90 in that I was left alone, other than only getting 5 days to clear.

Response by MSgt Steve Shook made Jun 26 at 2020 6:00 AM

2020-06-26T06:00:21-04:00

Seems vindictive, since it serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

Response by SFC Danny McDaniel made Jun 27 at 2020 11:23 AM

2020-06-27T11:23:23-04:00

That is just plain stupid! PT test for what??? Just before I retired I was told that I had to weigh-in and do an APFT for an award. I told them hell no and what are you going to do fire me?? Of course, I knew they could flag me but I did not care. I still got the award. :)

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jun 28 at 2020 6:31 AM

2020-06-28T06:31:42-04:00

That makes no sense. Your command is F!@#$D up for doing something like this. I would leave that up to the Soldier if he wants to pass it or not.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2020 2:53 AM

2020-06-29T02:53:55-04:00

What is their plan if he gets injured. What if that injury requires months to heal? The unit command team are being dicks. The Soldier should be clearing already.

Response by SGT Kenneth Duncan made Jun 29 at 2020 11:31 AM

2020-06-29T11:31:25-04:00

They tried the same thing with me. I was being released with an Honorable discharge. I got down, did one push up and got back up. I did one sit up and got back up. I walked instead of ran. They could not say anything, what were they going to do, threaten to kick me out. They had already barred me to re-enlistment because I was over weight. I did that on purpose too. They always threatened to kick me out, so I forced them to do it. I was even called into my CO's office and was told that I had to sign paperwork. It was my discharge for being over weight. I signed it and handed it back to him. He asked, do you know what this is, I said yes I do, sir. He tore it up right there and said get the hell out of my office. When I came up for orders to be transferred, I refused to extend or re-enlist. I was barred from re-enlisting. JAG told me that the Army had broken the contract. I got out 6 months early with my honorable discharge. I finished my career by going to work for the Post Office when I got out. Better pay and less stress.

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made Jun 29 at 2020 2:12 PM

2020-06-29T14:12:15-04:00

My 1sg at hood made me take one the day before I ets'd. Easier just to do it then try to fight it was my opinion so I just took it and went on my way the next day.

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Jun 29 at 2020 6:30 PM

2020-06-29T18:30:32-04:00

If the soldier gets hurt ,its in his/ her record and is service connected .then should be medically re evaluated.
I would try to convince the higher up to let it go as a loss and save everyone the headache.

Response by CPO Jacquelyn Ricker USN-Retired made Jun 30 at 2020 3:41 PM

2020-06-30T15:41:50-04:00

I was the PRT Coordinator for 6 years. It is a yearly thing not a random, we think we will make a person take a Test thing. There are rules to follow! Have the person lookup the Regs for the ARMY and ask for an Audience with the CO, only after speaking to Base Legal. This seems to be a way to give a less than honorable discharge if the person is overweight or out of specs. They can falsify the result easily!!! A tape measure can be held tight or loose to skew the results. Be very Careful!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2020 10:33 AM

2020-07-04T10:33:56-04:00

The Military requires every Soldier to be Physical Fit at all times and can both give a Diagnostic or Record PT Test up until the prior to ETS. If the 1st SG want to give a Soldier a PT Test days prior to ETS he can do so. Refusal can lead to a flag or disobeying a lawful order.

Response by CW4 Eric Clayton made Jul 5 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-07-05T10:26:26-04:00

My last assignment was in a Command position and I made sure my Detachment Sergeant didn’t schedule an APFT for anyone who was ETSing, had orders and was within 180 days of separation. If I thought you were a dirtbag I signed a bar to re-enlistment and you were gone anyway. This is blatant harassment pure and simple.

Response by SFC Joseph Behmke made Jul 6 at 2020 2:07 PM

2020-07-06T14:07:31-04:00

Most of us agree. If he does the "damn" APFT and hurts himself the Cdr will be FUBAR by his higher HQ.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Jul 16 at 2020 10:37 PM

2020-07-16T22:37:31-04:00

I'm not aware that short timers are exempt from doing PT tests. The Army owns a soldier until he ETS's.

Since the two CSMs and the 1SG who responded give a different perspective, I will defer to their knowledge and experience.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 17 at 2020 10:46 AM

2020-07-17T10:46:55-04:00

Is he a PT stud?

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Jul 25 at 2020 6:38 PM

2020-07-25T18:38:28-04:00

At '19-and-a-wake-up', "PT" is running to the package store for beers and a bottle! ;)

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Jul 25 at 2020 7:17 PM

2020-07-25T19:17:04-04:00

The only reason I can think of to force the soldier to take a PT test would be to bar him to re-enlistment. Seems fairly petty at this point, but I'd have to know more to understand their logic. Thing is, you can always not do something and if there's no reason for doing something then why? Because I say so! At this distance from serving, that just seems stupid.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jul 26 at 2020 2:25 PM

2020-07-26T14:25:34-04:00

I love how conan's just thinks they can do whatever the hell they want... thata like ordering a jump a day before he's done... not gonna fucking happen

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2020 4:25 PM

2020-07-26T16:25:24-04:00

The soldier has to follow a lawful order and take the test if that is what they're asked to do, but they could fail every event and it wouldn't matter. I can't believe the 1SG is allowing this to occur in the first place unless they're enforcing it. Even if this is the case, the command team knows it has no bearing on the unit's stats. If this soldier was handling their business they would be on terminal leave right now and not worried about a John Brown PT test. Just my thoughts on the situation. CSM Satterly is spot on with the harassment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2020 8:40 PM

2020-07-26T20:40:35-04:00

When a soldier has completed his exit/VA physical, he no longer participated in PT due to the liability that the military could incur were he to be injured. At this point, PT formation is strictly for accountability for him. Any good Unit would have this soldier continually working to out process and prepare for life after the Army.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2020 10:36 AM

2020-07-27T10:36:05-04:00

just don't take it

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2020 4:16 PM

2020-07-27T16:16:29-04:00

Seems like a jerk move if he's getting out.

Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Jul 27 at 2020 5:25 PM

2020-07-27T17:25:13-04:00

If he started out processing, PT Test is unnecessary and shouldn't be required.

Response by COL Ronald Diana made Jul 28 at 2020 2:13 PM

2020-07-28T14:13:14-04:00

It all depends. Did he pass he his last pt test? If not to close his tour, remember all military personnel have an 8 year obligation, the command may want to ensure his transition to IRR and be current. If he passed and it is within 6-months then he is being harassed!

Response by SGT Robert Shannon made Jul 28 at 2020 7:16 PM

2020-07-28T19:16:21-04:00

I would say if he is a squared away soldier and can pass the PT test what does he have to lose by giving them one more? On the other hand if they are looking for a reason to muddy him up before he goes because he is not squared away I think that's a totally different story. I gave a PT test 3 days before I went on transitional leave, it didn't bother me a bit, I maxed it and didn't think anything of it. You'll have to let us know the outcome.

Response by CPL Kevin Anthony made Jul 29 at 2020 5:48 AM

2020-07-29T05:48:25-04:00

Yes he is not out yet and could be called back !

Response by CPL Kevin Anthony made Jul 29 at 2020 5:50 AM

2020-07-29T05:50:24-04:00

I am OLD SCHOOL 9TH INF DIV RIVER RAT L.R.R.P.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2020 10:29 AM

2020-07-29T10:29:52-04:00

Tell him to break his leg and get held after his ETS date. The extra $80 per day or so they have to pay him will come out of one of the unit's lines of accounting meaning the commander and the soldier's NCOw will have hell to answer for.

Response by Sgt Peter McDonald made Jul 29 at 2020 1:09 PM

2020-07-29T13:09:15-04:00

It has been a while, but if a servicemen is within 30 days of his EAS, they are exempt from partaking in any type of PFT.

Response by Maj Jon Sercel made Jul 29 at 2020 1:24 PM

2020-07-29T13:24:44-04:00

prob harassing however they have to satisfy their regulatory obligations- if the unit is doing PT test then he has to do it - til he is out ( what if there is a stop loss and unit is called to combat?)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 29 at 2020 1:33 PM

2020-07-29T13:33:33-04:00

Being that he ETS is in 20 days he should’ve had his final physical. The Soldier cannot participate in unit PT or PT test. This is a sad example of leadership failures and its way to common right now.

Response by SPC Zachary Freeman made Jul 29 at 2020 6:11 PM

2020-07-29T18:11:45-04:00

Hell no that is such a Bragg thing to do though toxic environment.

Response by PFC Courtney Alvarado made Jul 29 at 2020 9:35 PM

2020-07-29T21:35:15-04:00

I was in the same position and it was bullshit. His command just wants to be a dick thats all leave him alone

Response by SPC Amador D Hinojosa made Jul 30 at 2020 12:19 AM

2020-07-30T00:19:22-04:00

There is no need for a PT test since he is about to ETS and i assure you there is no directive mandating any command to direct anyone to take a PT test in order to ETS. From my perspective they are just harassing him and TARGETING him which is a violation under EEOC and he should go file a complaint on his command or whoever is telling him he has to take a PT test to ETS which is PURE BULLSHIT!!! Now another option is get ahold of his Congressman from the District of his Record of his hometown and file a Constituent Complaint against his command and he should do this immediately because common sense tells me they want him to turn down that directive so they can kick him out or bust him down to nothing. If he needs help he can contact me at [login to see] and i will school him how burn those power hungry Sons of Bitches a new asshole. I hate people in the military thinking they are UNTOCHABLE.... BUT WE SHALL SEE. TELL this individual to email me ASAP!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 2:35 PM

2020-07-30T14:35:30-04:00

One of the 40 series medical regulations says physical training is not recommended after a final medical evaluation(not verbatim but I had to look it up). That’s the black and white the guidance. My 1SG made all soldiers participate until the last day. As to whether it makes sense to administer a pt test afterward, I’ll leave that subject alone.

Response by Cpl Joseph Brucato made Jul 30 at 2020 3:37 PM

2020-07-30T15:37:05-04:00

That is just harassment and they could give me an article 15 with 20 days left

Response by CPL John Day made Jul 30 at 2020 5:02 PM

2020-07-30T17:02:44-04:00

The soldier could fail the test but would face consequences. I would suggest he talk with his 1st sergeant or SGM. If that proves a waste of time contact IG and congressman as he has a target on his back and the unit is definitely targeting him. Of course he could do his last 20 days in compliance and fail to est on date and unit will suffer the consequences. He will need unit for references and such so best to play nice and do the 20 days.

Response by SSG Aaron Gough made Jul 31 at 2020 12:10 PM

2020-07-31T12:10:47-04:00

That's a hard no. If it were me, and I only had 20 days left, and I was 100% not going to re-up, I'd tell them I'm not taking a chance of injuring myself for the civilian workforce just to appease their wants. It's not their future, and when the soldier is out they won't care about them.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2020 1:02 PM

2020-07-31T13:02:01-04:00

NO! COVID protection takes priority at this time and we are transitioning to the ACFT anyway.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Aug 1 at 2020 11:07 AM

2020-08-01T11:07:10-04:00

Why expend the effort on a soldier who is not retainable? What is to be gained? Devote your efforts to retaining soldiers who are assets to your unit and are not ETS'ing.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Aug 1 at 2020 7:53 PM

2020-08-01T19:53:37-04:00

I am sure there's more to this story. Either someone's got a grudge. Or someone's two glued to the book. Or someone just got written up for not having good records. What happens to this Soldier If he shows up for his PT test, Takes two steps And says I guess I failed?

Response by MSG Izy Veguillacruz made Sep 7 at 2020 2:44 PM

2020-09-07T14:44:14-04:00

As long as their still in, they follow orders.

Response by SFC Charles Dennis made Sep 22 at 2020 7:38 AM

2020-09-22T07:38:01-04:00

It is the Commander's discretion. Even if the Soldier has finished his or hers VA physical. If the Soldier gets injured, they can add the injury to their claim. This happened to me and I was retiring.

Response by LTC Thomas Mullen made Sep 23 at 2020 7:01 PM

2020-09-23T19:01:32-04:00

I took a PT one week before retirement. Easier to show up and do it than argue about it.

Response by SGT Thomas Labine made Sep 24 at 2020 10:43 PM

2020-09-24T22:43:49-04:00

Hey there Mead, I think your nothing but a numbers guy and I would have told you to stick it up your you know what!!!

Response by SPC John Lebiecki made Oct 11 at 2020 3:56 PM

2020-10-11T15:56:18-04:00

Other than stats, what’s the point of forcing the soldier to do the PT test within 20 days of ETS? I get it that “it’s PT, so what?” That soldier probably doesn’t care about that unit’s stats or the possibility of not receiving an ETS award.

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Oct 31 at 2020 9:12 AM

2020-10-31T09:12:38-04:00

It is just this sort of harassment that shows just how inferior the person doing the nonsense harassment is (a real "leadership" example if you ask me)... Often fueled by envy or jealousy I believe. I had to take a PT test on my retirement as well. Pure nonsense!

Response by 1SG Victor Sotil made Oct 31 at 2020 11:32 AM

2020-10-31T11:32:56-04:00

Let’s analyze this comment. “The command” is this the work of an overzealous CPL or an inexperienced young Sergeant? Yes, there are some Captains out there that may not know all policies or procedures, but every Captain there is a First Sergeant. No, the command is completely wrong, because the command should know that a Soldier should not be involved in any training that can cause an injury after the final physical. All commanders goes through a Command Training along with their 1SG. Further more this Soldier does not even count for the total number of taking the APFT (APFT. sorry I know it’s different now). He is a loss and therefore doesn’t count for an average.
I read all comments in this blog, and glad to hear that are people out there that try to preserve a good image of our Armed Forces while other trying hard to smear it. For all my brothers and sisters thank you, makes me proud to see after 30 years of Service.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Oct 31 at 2020 7:15 PM

2020-10-31T19:15:01-04:00

To answer the question as posed, Yes, the soldier has to take it. Orders are just that, they don't have to make sense to you, they just have to be legal.

Response by SSG Robert Crawley made Nov 1 at 2020 6:01 AM

2020-11-01T06:01:49-05:00

(S)he is still in the military and must follow all legal orders including the PT test. When I got out my PLT SGT ordered me to do the PT test the morning of my Phase 2 (ETS) physical. It was a lawful order so I did it. I did 10 push ups, 10 situps, and the spent 2 hours walking. After that I went to my physical. So, yes, you can be ordered to do it up until you have your DD-214 in hand.

Response by 1SG Arturo De Los Reyes made Nov 1 at 2020 11:28 AM

2020-11-01T11:28:30-05:00

Maybe the Command needs the PT test score for his EER or for his recommendation For an Award or just herrassment .

Response by COL Bill Stoltzfus made Nov 1 at 2020 2:18 PM

2020-11-01T14:18:05-05:00

There is no compelling reason for the command to require this PT test. Seems like plain harassment to me. There is also the risk of an injury that would not be in the best interest of the soldier or the Army.

William Stoltzfus COL(R)

Response by SP6 Cole Tierney made Nov 1 at 2020 5:10 PM

2020-11-01T17:10:10-05:00

The soldier is SHORT leave the soldier alone

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Nov 2 at 2020 6:18 AM

2020-11-02T06:18:21-05:00

Even though I was retiring from my last unit in 2008, when my number came up for the PT test, I knocked it out. If this Soldier has to do this PT test, just do it and get it over with.

Response by SPC Mark Bennett made Nov 2 at 2020 9:21 AM

2020-11-02T09:21:39-05:00

I don't think they should have to do it, if they would've RE-UPed, then Yes they should have to do it. If a Soldier is 30 days or less, the unit has already has someone to take their place, that person starts learning the position

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Nov 2 at 2020 9:34 AM

2020-11-02T09:34:29-05:00

Yes, he has to do it; however, pass it, I doubt it. RECOMMEND leave time or appointments which prevent testing during the next 20 days. If he/she fails, are they going to extend him/her? NO. But, if there is a failure to follow an order, that can result in bigger issues.

Response by SSG Jeff Furgerson made Nov 2 at 2020 7:52 PM

2020-11-02T19:52:37-05:00

I seen this happen one time when I was in the USMC, both Marines had under a month left to do before getting out, If I remember right the standard for the 3 mile run was something like 30-32 minutes long story short about 45 minutes later those two came skipping across the finish line and I do mean skipping .

Response by SFC Chuck Martinez made Nov 2 at 2020 8:28 PM

2020-11-02T20:28:54-05:00

Evidently, the commander does not know the military regulations in reference to a soldier ETSing from the military. With only 20 days left, he should be given that time for preparing to take care of business for out processing. Usually they give the soldier 15 working days for out-processing not counting the weekends. Never heard of such a thing unless the CO had a problem with that soldier!!

Response by LTC Darrell Angleton made Nov 2 at 2020 10:25 PM

2020-11-02T22:25:23-05:00

Why? Makes no sense at all.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2020 1:47 PM

2020-11-03T13:47:17-05:00

Take the pt test fail it and get a lawyer sue the Army for dissability. Active duty guys use to do it all the time.

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Nov 3 at 2020 8:17 PM

2020-11-03T20:17:04-05:00

20 days? 1SG needs his ass whipped!

Response by Christin Haynes made Nov 4 at 2020 9:31 AM

2020-11-04T09:31:42-05:00

If he/she is your Best at anything; then you leave that individual be until it is time for them to do said Mission and be their Best. Never pressure someone who is a genius or gifted at their skill/craft. This kind of behavior creates shame within an individual and may either cause complete disassociation or withdrawal completely; or prove the Institution wrong.

50/50 is not a good bet people. Do better.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Nov 4 at 2020 12:32 PM

2020-11-04T12:32:29-05:00

Is the soldier up for an end of service award? If so yes, if not, don't expect much.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Nov 4 at 2020 3:30 PM

2020-11-04T15:30:45-05:00

Give him a "short timer" to wear. I would let him take the test just to CYA?

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Nov 4 at 2020 3:31 PM

2020-11-04T15:31:21-05:00

That was a SHORT TIMER pin.

Response by LCpl Aaron Kyle Kotlarz made Nov 4 at 2020 10:26 PM

2020-11-04T22:26:38-05:00

I'm guessing your soldier irritated someone in the command who's more vengeful than smart (couldn't POSSIBLY be a commissioned US Army officer, righ?), because, as several of the fine super lifers have already pointed out, your soldier has already taken his exit physical and any injury that might occur is going to mess up a whole lot of paperwork AND put Uncle Sugar on the hook for some sweet medical retirement. Perhaps there's a young LT who needs coaching in Operational Risk Management.

On the other hand, if your soldier would like to retire early, maybe breaking his leg on the PT test is exactly the lesson your command needs. I mean, accidents happen.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2020 1:26 PM

2020-11-05T13:26:12-05:00

That's a big negative. If the Soldier has already taken an exit physical then they are exempt from PT and any APFT. Pretty much like everyone has said if they wind up getting hurt then the process starts all over again and they are kept past their ETS date. Sounds like someone has it out for your Soldier in my opinion.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2020 3:20 PM

2020-11-05T15:20:46-05:00

For the future people watching this if they try to make you take one when your not suppose to if it so happens that you hurt yourself your command will get in big trouble.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Nov 8 at 2020 12:54 PM

2020-11-08T12:54:43-05:00

While I retired back in 2009. My Squadron had marked me as a loss to avoid having me do PT/PFT; since I was getting out of the service. If he's transfers to a different unit/command; then YES he does have to do his PFT/PT as required.

Response by SPC Carmen H Ramirez made Nov 8 at 2020 3:29 PM

2020-11-08T15:29:52-05:00

If I am correct he still has to fulfill his duties up until the very last day. So yes, he does need to pass the test. otherwise it goes on his record that he failed the pt test. It will reflect on any federal job he may try to obtain in the future. When my husband refused to re-enlist. His company turned on him in a bad way. He was forced to take a pt test, go our into the field and was not allowed to take his terminal leave until he had completed all of that. They were good to him until he refused to re-enlist. Then they became vindictive to him. I would just do it and be done with it.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Nov 8 at 2020 3:40 PM

2020-11-08T15:40:09-05:00

Has he completed his final physical? If so, he has a reason not to take the pft

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Nov 9 at 2020 5:57 PM

2020-11-09T17:57:47-05:00

The command is screwing w/ this soldier.

The soldier has to take the PT test if he is ordered to. He does not have to pass.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2020 7:54 PM

2020-11-09T19:54:31-05:00

I appreciate everyones help and answer it was overwhelming. the outcome came to be he never took it.

Response by SPC David Young made Nov 11 at 2020 2:26 AM

2020-11-11T02:26:19-05:00

We had just gotten back from Desert Storm a couple of months earlier when a man in my unit failed a PT test. It didn't seem to matter that he was going to ETS in less than 2 months. He was counseled about it and ordered to do remedial PT for 30 days. It might not have been his smartest move but he blew it off. Anyway, he got busted from E4 to PFC for disobeying a lawful order. I just didn't see a point in going through all that when the man was getting out anyway.

Response by LTC Michael Garrison made Nov 11 at 2020 8:19 AM

2020-11-11T08:19:25-05:00

I have a PT test the month before my retirement at age 53 and I still took it. It was a unit scheduled event and I was still a member. Nobody said anything either way.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2020 9:05 AM

2020-11-19T09:05:05-05:00

Here’s the thing, there is absolutely no regulation that states you are are exempted from taking a semi-annual APFT at any point up to the day before your ETS date, or the day prior to your terminal leave start date. I was told in 7 out of 8 years that as long as I had my ETS physical I would be exempted from any further PT or APFTs to avoid any injuries. Needless to say I ETS’d and less than 2 months from my terminal leave start date (about 3 months from ETS in total), I was tagged for an APFT. I had obviously completed my ETS physical months prior and thought I was golden. I went digging to find this somewhere in regulation and checked as many reference sites as possible. Unfortunately I came upon the fact that, no matter the common misconception, there is absolutely no reg supporting the rumor. I gathered that, pretty much, until you have a final copy of your dd-214 you are expected to meet the standards.

Response by MAJ Larry Richardson made Dec 7 at 2020 1:09 PM

2020-12-07T13:09:14-05:00

Regardless of the ETS date, a soldier (officer and/or enlisted) has to obey orders. I am a retired officer and had to take a PT test within two weeks of retiring, simply because it was required by regulation.

Response by COL Curtis Chambellan made Dec 14 at 2020 3:44 PM

2020-12-14T15:44:20-05:00

the day before my last day in uniform I took my last APFT. No big deal, Darned if I didn't hurt myself. on the run. Suddenly I'm faced with an LOD and having to stay, or just smile and carry on. My advice, don't take the chance.

Response by COL Curtis Chambellan made Dec 14 at 2020 3:44 PM

2020-12-14T15:44:35-05:00

the day before my last day in uniform I took my last APFT. No big deal, and I hurt myself. Suddenly I'm faced with an LOD and having to stay, or just smile and carry on. My advice, don't take the chance.

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Dec 15 at 2020 3:02 AM

2020-12-15T03:02:47-05:00

Should he be clearing by now?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2020 6:26 AM

2020-12-15T06:26:43-05:00

A few months ago, I had to give a retiring SFC a PT test IOT for him to receive his Retirement award. It came down from CG who wouldn't approve his MSM without current APFT. He was clearing and was within 7 days of his retirement ceremony. He took the APFT and passed and he was good sport about it. He could of refused but likely would have had award downgraded at Installation level

Response by COL Guy Campion made Dec 15 at 2020 7:42 AM

2020-12-15T07:42:23-05:00

Col Campion, it serves no one when the chain of command singles out one person intentionally. Moral and esprit de corps is only strengthen collectively and is easily damaged when members are singled out. Encourage the individual to participate, do his best simple to support this team mates and friends so as to build the bond as he departs active service and becomes a Veteran for Life.

Response by LCpl Woody Williams made Dec 15 at 2020 3:35 PM

2020-12-15T15:35:55-05:00

Typical Army question... A Marines would never ask that question but good luck anyway.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2020 12:56 AM

2020-12-16T00:56:32-05:00

Sounds like Harassment, Some units Turn on a soldier when they Prepare to ETS. We should thank them for their Service and Help them to make a great transition. Not Every one came in for 20 years, Some had goals to serve one or two enlistment. I have had Soldiers to Change their mind when I would support them Either way. I have been retired for several years now and still have soldiers calling me to advise them. He no longer counts on the books,Give him his time and mentor him in the transition. No one stays in the service for ever ETS or Retire we all will transition one day. Not every one steps up to serve Take care of the ones who did.

Response by SPC Rick HUnt made Dec 17 at 2020 12:14 AM

2020-12-17T00:14:13-05:00

Technically speaking if he has not completed his out processing physical he can still be ordered to take the PT test and pass according to standards. However it would be interesting to see what type of fuck fuck games the coc pulls if he failed.

Response by SFC Thomas Lindsey made Dec 17 at 2020 7:56 AM

2020-12-17T07:56:46-05:00

Not knowing the Soldier or his command, seeing this makes me understand why he's ETS'ing in the first place. 100% harassment here.

Response by 1SG Edward Cullen made Dec 17 at 2020 11:28 AM

2020-12-17T11:28:34-05:00

I agree with others. he should be clearing and getting his appointments together. As other have said if he gets injured he is a medical hold for who knows how long. Let that soldier go.

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Dec 17 at 2020 7:49 PM

2020-12-17T19:49:43-05:00

CSM, SGM, and 1SG are exactly correct in practice and arguably in common sense but I’ve never that in the regs. I don’t see a reason for the unit/CDR to make a big deal about it. I don’t see any harassment but again can’t refute it. SGT I think you at most ask your 1SG or PSG... it’s there fight. Present the issues but don’t get your “ass in sling”. Would I make him do it NO but then again I led a unit run the morning of my retirement. I applaud you for taking care of your Joe!

Response by SGT Kenneth Barr made Dec 18 at 2020 3:39 AM

2020-12-18T03:39:26-05:00

He should be ROD (Relieved of Duties) and outprocessing the post. This sounds like one screwed up unit that is trying to pressure the soldier into reuppping.

Response by SrA Brandon Conser made Dec 18 at 2020 9:53 AM

2020-12-18T09:53:44-05:00

AF made me test a week before I separated. They received a middle finger a fail, cuz fuck em

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2020 10:49 AM

2020-12-18T10:49:33-05:00

Does the Soldier have to take it? yes, he is still on active duty. If he/she served less than 8 years, they will remain in the military (IRR) until their full obligation is finished. Do they have to pass it? No. Anybody who fails the APFT is given time to take it again, but the time he can take it again, they will be out. Tell your Soldier to schedule the APFT the day before they leave, take your time forwarding the information. It looks like to me, that someone is simply being silly.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Dec 21 at 2020 10:30 AM

2020-12-21T10:30:28-05:00

Don’t fight this; it’s not worth it. Shortly before I retired I had to take a PT test. I took it but did not wear myself out for it. Just take it and don’t get yourself in trouble right before you get out for something so trivial

Response by SGT Edward Murie made Dec 22 at 2020 12:27 PM

2020-12-22T12:27:07-05:00

He should take the test and it show the condition he is in and if their is problems with hi and if so he can get help or benifits, I took pt test before I got out in 1969 and they found I had a few medival problems and I am getting care for through my VA hospital.

Response by SPC Carmen Ramirez made Dec 24 at 2020 9:20 AM

2020-12-24T09:20:51-05:00

He needs to do the very best that he can in the P.T. test. This will go on his permanent record. When he shows his DD213 to an employer, they will look at it but may skim over his physical status..., or not, it's up to him. I would want to put my best foot forward when i put my DD213 in front of a potential employer, wouldn't you?

Response by SGT Edward Murie made Dec 24 at 2020 9:33 AM

2020-12-24T09:33:39-05:00

If he is in the military then yes he has to take it, just do your best.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Jan 2 at 2021 6:34 PM

2021-01-02T18:34:12-05:00

As long as he is still on active duty, and not on terminal leave, he can be given a PT test.

Response by SSG Leo Larkin made Jan 3 at 2021 9:23 AM

2021-01-03T09:23:32-05:00

So who is reading the ARs here anyway? Let's reference that RTFN. You know the Big Army is big on lecturing the Troop on the ARs. Maybe big leadership ought read the ARs and if not...Well let the Troop contact the VA in the future for "Big Commands Decision" So lets get the folks at Bragg or whatever produce the AR on this site to see how their comprehension squares with the rest of the Army. This is a complete embarrassment. Enlisted folks have been treated like dirt for long enough by substandard leaders

Response by SGT Christopher Doyle made Jan 8 at 2021 10:04 AM

2021-01-08T10:04:10-05:00

I had this same thing happen to me, when I retired and had completed my VA disability final claim a new SGM wanted me to go to the range and do a APFT the week before my final day, told him I'd do it but handed him the paperwork stating that if I got hurt it would be on him to cover any new injuries I incurred, I was walking with a cane and had a P3 profile at the time. He said ok your exempt lol.

Response by SFC Gregory Bean made Jan 10 at 2021 12:37 AM

2021-01-10T00:37:46-05:00

Crap like that always frustrated me. Some think they just have to act the fool with soldiers as they are getting ready to ETS or retire. When really they are messing with one of their best recruiting tools. That are out there not costing any money from Recruiting Commands budget.

Response by Col Tri Trinh made Jan 10 at 2021 12:40 AM

2021-01-10T00:40:48-05:00

Just have him do it. No sweat. All in a days work. He’s getting paid to do it, correct. Physical fitness is a life routine.

Response by SPC Andrew Nelson made Jan 10 at 2021 3:44 PM

2021-01-10T15:44:54-05:00

Was etsing back in the day and I had to under go the battalion skills.testing , they were oike y still.gotta do it even though you start clearing the next day to ets. Needless to say a flunked it as what were they gonna do to me?

Response by SPC Jerome Henehan made Jan 10 at 2021 9:34 PM

2021-01-10T21:34:02-05:00

Seems like they want to jerk you around before you hit the sidewalk. Can't imagine what they hope to really achieve by doing that outside of being jerks.

Response by SGT George Duncan made Jan 11 at 2021 7:37 PM

2021-01-11T19:37:26-05:00

yes i think i would put i for a transfer

Response by SGT Mustafa Stokely made Jan 13 at 2021 1:17 PM

2021-01-13T13:17:24-05:00

This sounds like a normal "expiration term of service" and whether he is liked by his command, or not, he cared enough to sign above the proverbial dotted line and do his bit. The option should be his. In the grand scheme of things, his final PT test will have no bearing at all in his life. (I once ran two miles in 9:58, when I was stationed in Germany, back in the early 1980s, it has had zero effect where my military background is concerned.) His separation type/code is the only thing that matters. If he does not want to do the PT test, then he should just go on sick call, on the day of his PT. Since he is a loss to his unit, again, whether he does the test or not has very little bearing on the unit numbers. If the intent is to mess with the soldier, I would again keep in mind that he signed-up at a time when very few people seem to step-up to serve our nation. Why mess with him, and potentially "harm" his future with a separation code that reads anything but honorable?...

Response by SSG Michael Lawson made Jan 13 at 2021 5:46 PM

2021-01-13T17:46:23-05:00

He's still a soldier. Of course he had to do it if ordered to do so. They can not extend his ETS date for failure to pass a PT test. As to why they would do this to someone so short, I have no idea. He could be excused from the test for the rest of his unit, but maybe they just don't want anyone to skip the test. maybe he is just dealing with a real dick. I have noticed that you might occasionally run into one of those in the Army. LOL!

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Jan 19 at 2021 10:53 AM

2021-01-19T10:53:39-05:00

Your commander is putting his career on the line for what? Should the soldier pass all is good. Should the soldier fail then it gets reported and everyone gets to ask why he was tested in the first place. Should the soldier become injured then everyone gets to question his judgement. I watched a CSM get relieved because he caused further injury to a soldier in a wheelchair. He made the soldier perform PT the day he was to sign out. The soldier had to be retained and reevaluated. The CSM was relieved the next day. So I ask again why is your commander placing his career in jeopardy?

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Jan 19 at 2021 2:26 PM

2021-01-19T14:26:30-05:00

I had a very similar experience. I was told that I couldn’t retire till I passed an APFT. I was on a walking profile at the time. I took the test passed the test and was told it was not a record APFT because I was on profile. To this day I have no logical reason for taking an APFT 30 days before I started leave for retirement.

Response by SSG Frank Garvis made Jan 20 at 2021 10:21 AM

2021-01-20T10:21:39-05:00

Hell no. He should start clearing post in a week, what the hell is a PT test gonna do? They can't keep him from leaving if he doesn't pass it, additionally if he gets hurt how is that gonna help. Tell your command to get a clue.

Response by 1SG Ken Bedwell made Feb 7 at 2021 1:07 PM

2021-02-07T13:07:37-05:00

He shouldn't be taking an APFT at this point. Do yourself some research, find it in the appropriate regulation and present facts as written to your NCO support channel.

Response by PO1 Will Wade made Mar 18 at 2021 11:59 AM

2021-03-18T11:59:04-04:00

I can only say that for a year after putting in my retirement papers I was not required to PT, I did but wasn't required to.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2021 4:25 AM

2021-03-24T04:25:46-04:00

But I think irs best for him/her to take the Pt test and past, however, later join the guard or reserves with good standing while serving active duty! But if he/she has a medical problem, take the test document and after ETS if theres an injury file a va claim related to the injury!

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Mar 24 at 2021 3:38 PM

2021-03-24T15:38:01-04:00

he/she does not need to pass since it wont be needed for the future . i think also it is harassment to require taking the test .

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Apr 13 at 2021 1:29 PM

2021-04-13T13:29:35-04:00

Part 1 and 2 already taken? If they have been, then Command is in the WRONG to make a PT test happen. They need to read up on the AR's. After Part 2-you are a LOSS and that COC is a brain dead group. Sounds like a few idiots in 2/43 ADA in 2009. They tried that crap on a few that had Part 2 c complete and CSM took them to his office quicker than a Shawn Michael's Super Kick took Marty Janetti to the ground.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Apr 14 at 2021 10:21 PM

2021-04-14T22:21:40-04:00

i would look for another command to go to?

Response by SSG Elyzabeth Cromer made Apr 16 at 2021 6:15 PM

2021-04-16T18:15:47-04:00

Someone has failed to do the risk assessment on this. Your Unit Admin is going to be pissed if this soldier gets hurt during the PT test. The LOD paperwork will be a pain in the behind, depending on the severity of the injury your higher headquarters is going to get involved. There is nothing that can be done to the soldier of real significance if they fail the PT test that close to ETS. A PT FLAG is a transferable FLAG, it does not trigger an undesirable reenlistment code. A soldier getting hurt that close to ETS could result in a bad evaluation for someone for a supervisor or Commander.
If this is a NG or Reserve unit this soldier if hurt seriously could end up voluntarily extending their contract and receiving fulltime pay and allowances while waiting for their injuries to heal, (or after a year the IDES process kicks in then about another 12 to 16 months.) It is a bad idea to mess with soldiers about to ETS "to prove a point" it can cost the "point prover" their career.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Apr 16 at 2021 6:57 PM

2021-04-16T18:57:48-04:00

Three days for the freedom bird they called a alert. Out of habit I got up and went about my buisness till I reached for my TA50. stood in the hallway till my plt Sgt showed and told me to stay out of sight

Response by SGT John Ball made Jul 26 at 2021 4:03 PM

2021-07-26T16:03:42-04:00

I experienced the same situation twenty years ago. So, I did one pushup, one situp, and walked the two mile run in an hour. I had a terribly ate up COC and worked for an alcoholic section Sergeant who hated me with a passion. Being glad to get out of that gagglef*** of a unit was an understatement. After that, I told young people to stay away from the military because they screw you on your way out the door. Being in that unit was a horrific experience and was the very definition of toxic!

Response by SPC Kenneth Bowles made Jan 11 at 2022 4:08 AM

2022-01-11T04:08:36-05:00

Very Strange. Never heard of a PT test administered to a soldier who is so "short".

Response by SPC Julio R. made Mar 2 at 2022 3:30 PM

2022-03-02T15:30:28-05:00

Always with the dck head command desk jockeys that have nothing better to do. They want the easy way out so that they don't have to write out paperwork telling them why this or that. It is simple he or she has 20 f n days to stop being a blue falcon pos cheesedck. It is always someone with rank too, they need their resume plumped up so the more positive "numbers" the fluffier it gets.
Those aholes pulled that crap on me when I was Med boarding and then came the height and weight. They were scheming trying to get me out on a technicality but my lawyer told me that they can f off with their childish rank pulling bs. He said I was 90% out the door and they can file all the chapter paperwork they want. That paperwork was on the commander's desk faster than anything I had ever seen done in my whole career. I mean financial paperwork nope, leave paperwork nope, off base housing paperwork nope.....but he didn't pass height and weight ah hell Nah "how we got him" type bs.
The joke was on them because not only did their paperwork go nowhere I came back with reenlistment paperwork because my case wasn't done and you should have seen the coc flip out.
He pulled rank and said he wasn't signing anything that will extend me. So I mentioned this to the lawyer, boom, I had that reenlistment paperwork signed by cob.
F your rank anyone one of you if you abuse it and act like your s don't stink. So no chapter got extended 3 more months and egg in his whole face for pulling rank on me when all I was trying to do was leave and be out of everyone's hair but they had a bullseye on my back.
You see I was a 4-time spec 4 and proud of it. I knew my sht and they knew I knew my sht, in the rear with the gear is not me I was a boot on the ground put me in the field and I will shine type soldier. You can miss me with that dog and pony bullsht.
I passed that bs test too btw, it was the broke dck test but I passed. I did my action on the field not in garrison. Chain of command was soup sammich and football bat ways of leading, not all but most.
I am glad to be out and not dealing with aholes with rank. Good riddance.....
So if he has 20 days I would talk with someone other than that coc I would talk to a lawyer about it that way no one can hem you up.