Posted on Aug 6, 2021
I heard this phrase a few times before, “if you never got an Article 15, you never really been in the Army.” What does that mean?
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Another way I’ve heard it is, “if you never got an Article 15, you will never be a good leader.” What do those two phrases mean and do they actually have any relevance?
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It means that if you never got in trouble, you're not trying. It's an old old saying. As for the other, it's to infer that in order to be a great leader you had to have gotten in trouble so that you can help guide others. Not necessarily true.
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And reflects why the old guard has some serious ethical issues which were part of the old boys club of doing biz
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COL (Join to see) - which in turn made things so much more difficult for us future gens. What sucks is that old guard boyz club mentality still exists. I yearn for it to be gone forever.
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Like others have said. It's just an old saying. Usually always spoken by people who are trying to feel better about themselves for goofing up while their peers have proven themselves over and over how much more affective they are as leaders, got promoted, and surpassed the ones who have goofed up.
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First? They have zero relevance in the military today. They are archaic dinosaurs and that is all. What they stem from is old army in the days where really Art 15's meant less than they do today. Used to be a SM got an Art 15 even a few and it was viewed like a coming of age thing, where you got in trouble, took your lumps, learn from it and soldier on.
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