I lied at MEPS. Will they go back and look through my medical records?

2019-02-22T22:14:45-05:00

I lied at meps . I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn’t they found it at meps . I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it’s a no go or not . The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . But I’m afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ?

Response by Sgt John Steinmeier made Feb 22 at 2019 10:24 PM

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I was told by a doctor once in Junior High that I had a heart murmur, no other doctor ever found a heart murmur. Another doctor diagnosed me with asthma also in Junior High, no other doctor ever did, my bronchial infection went away.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2019 10:35 PM

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You have to grant them access to your medical records...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2019 11:16 PM

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Which Army value does this represent?
Loyalty. Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit and other Soldiers. ...
Duty. Fulfill your obligations. ...
Respect. ...
Selfless Service. ...
Honor. ...
Integrity. ...
Personal Courage

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 22 at 2019 11:20 PM

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You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. It is best that you speak with your recruiter and explain that you failed to mention it as your doctor told you it was not an issue. You were torn and want to be honest. Own this and you may be surprised, if nothing else you will have evolved as a man.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2019 11:23 PM

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Everyone (a good bit of people) lied at MEPS. Whether asthma, bones, illnesses, or cannabis usage. They ask whether you’ve ever been seen by a doctor. Of course you have been, but (and I’m in the medical branch) if we don’t know where to look and you don’t tell us you’ve been seen, we aren’t going to look everywhere for medical records.

Go get seen by the doctor. If you’re a go, then good, if not, then you may have to choose a different job in the Army or you can help the Army in the civilian sector.

I will am not condoning you lie or withhold information from your doctor, I’m just stating: what momma doesn’t know doesn’t hurt.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Feb 22 at 2019 11:34 PM

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John Kellen you are aware you are on a public website and that anyone can read this, right?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2019 11:49 PM

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Lying is not in line with the Army values. Where is your integrity? This also applies for the rest of you that are saying it is ok to lie.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2019 2:40 AM

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They might now...Why would you pose a question on a public website

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Feb 23 at 2019 4:49 AM

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Ha-ha-ha, this reminds me of the troops that used to write into another Military website I would participate on. "I went AWOL about 6 months ago......." from Moosehead Maine or Buffalo Jaw, Montana, where all you had to do was look at the guys IP address on the backend to see where approx they are living now. The Chief Mod worked for the Provost Marshall on a major Active Duty post. And this just kept repeating over and over and over again.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Feb 23 at 2019 6:51 AM

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Ok, one, NOT a good idea to be putting all this out there on a public web forum. Just... not. Two, Ok, you were told you had a heart murmur at 6 and would grow out of it. Were you officially diagnosed with it? Did you take medications? Did you at any later point in your life after 6 get told by any subsequent physician that you had or still had a heart murmur?

Things in childhood come and go. Was it stupid to not mention it? Yes. But here is the thing, you were six. You cannot reliably be expected to remember what happened or that you had done at that age unless it was serious and traumatic.

Now, you have several options open to you. You could tell your recruiter exactly what you explained here and while it would be frowned it, it would be considered as a nothing, an oversight. Not everyone can be expected to have perfect clarity of memory or you can simply ignore it and let things run their course. The Doctors have said it is nothing and you can enlist so you are not barred on that front.

You have already given the military and civilian authorities full clearance to go sifting through your past history, all of it so if they wanted to they search through and find said piece of documentation.

Would it have been better if you had disclosed it to your recruiter? Yes. That said, talk to your recruiter. He or she can always file the requisite paperwork to amend your record. You are not enlisted yet. You have not signed anything, you are not sworn in. So there is no fraudulency involved. However if you sign on the dotted line and swear the oath and then later this comes out, you can be screwed if the right person decides to push it.

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Feb 23 at 2019 8:21 AM

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Have you known all along and purposefully lied to try and get in, or were you recently reminded by your parents after telling them the process your are going through of joining, so you unknowingly lied while filling out the medical forms and answering the answers? If you lied, and they find out, enjoy life beyond that of the military. But if you have honestly been recently made aware then stand your ground. Forums can be daunting and people harsh, but not all the facts may lie on the table when initially dropped for a quick answer... I have found that of millennials - hurried questions without the facts in their entirety - I have two...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2019 10:43 AM

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First off, it's against the law to lie to any Federal Agency, as many have stated, its also against the Army Values. Good luck. It's called falsifying documents.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2019 12:54 PM

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One of the most important part of being a Service Member is having integrity. If your brothers and sisters in arms can’t trust you to be honest about yourself, they’ll find it hard to trust you when it counts the most. If serving is what you really want to do, then start your process off with honesty and integrity. What’s meant for you, will be for you....Good Luck to you.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2019 9:41 PM

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Make this right and tell them the truth, get a waiver. And If you can't get one, then it just wasn't meant to be and move on.

Response by SFC Javier CruzColon made Feb 24 at 2019 2:20 AM

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Well if you lie about knowing that you have a heart condition you will be processed out under medical 200.. I don't have a clue how you could remember something that old, I have hard time to remember what I had for breakfast the other day!
If you are trying to used this information to get out of the training it will work out for you because the Army doesn't need costly liability.

Response by PO2 Drew Peroni made Feb 24 at 2019 9:25 PM

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I had a congenital heart murmur which I disclosed and it did not disqualify me.

Response by SFC Joseph McCausland made Feb 24 at 2019 11:13 PM

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There is a big difference between being told you have a medical condition and actual being diagnosed with one. I can't remember exactly how the medical form questionnaire reads... I believe it was...
have you now or have you ever had the following..... I'm not a medical doctor but I believe there are different "stages" not sure of terminology, some more severe than others. I do know that "heart murmurs are not uncommon and if fact 40 to 45 percent of children are born with one and eventually will grow out of it as they reach adulthood.
As far as MEPS be honest answer their question honestly and hope for the best.

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Feb 25 at 2019 12:01 AM

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Honesty is the best policy if they find out you lied you basically void your contract

Response by PFC Thomas Pendley made Feb 25 at 2019 7:09 AM

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You just admitted to knowingly lying on your paperwork which im pretty sure is a fellony.

Response by SGT Shane Serna made Feb 25 at 2019 9:21 AM

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I hmm no the stupidest things are admitting it. Won’t say what my hident truths were but I never admitted them even when I thought I was busted ever. Over decade service. Keep your things to yourself. And let the haters hate.

Response by SPC Rikk Hillicoss made Feb 25 at 2019 3:02 PM

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First and foremost remember if you don’t have honor or integrity you don’t have 2 of the core values of the armed forces.

Response by Lt Col Robert Farnette made Feb 25 at 2019 4:37 PM

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When I was in ROTC they said I was so blind I was disqualified. I asked for a waiver, and now I am a retired O-5 JAG. You were told you would grow out of it. Apparently you did, as the doc sounds like he is going to recommend a waiver. Note that some things disqualifying years ago are not today. Technically, you can be charged with a fraudulent enlistment. Actually, if the doc says ok,
I don't see any adverse action. Recruitment is hard these days. People who want to get in and aren't clearly disqualified, are welcome. I'm sure there are hardasses who disagree, but then, they are not the JAG advising the recruiter.
R.L. Farnette LTC USAF (R)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2019 8:23 PM

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The Doc told you it probably wouldn't be an issue so what are you worried about? That when you were 6 they found it and said you would grow out if it so you didn't say anything? Don't worry about it and stop being a dumbass. You're going pal!

Response by Sgt David Butler made Feb 25 at 2019 8:24 PM

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You aren't fit to be in the military. You failed to understand the core value of integrity in our armed forces, and your very first action as a member of the Army was to lie about your own health. A lie that will definitely put your life at risk, and likely other's lives as well.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2019 8:35 AM

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This is considered falsifying a government document which is punishable by UCMJ. If they find out you had this underlying condition prior to joining the military, you can be punished under UCMJ and even kicked out of the military with an other than honorable discharge. Be careful what lies you tell the military. They will find out sooner or later during your yearly PHA

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2019 12:15 PM

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Do you realize how many people lie at MEPS? Don't let them scare you with all that integrity bullshit. Over half the people in the military lied at MEPS to get in and are still lying at their current units in some way or another. Does it make it right? Of course not! What you need to ask yourself is this: Will my medical issue possibly cause me to not be able to function properly in a real deal battle or similar situation, and cause harm to befall myself or my brothers & sisters in arms? If it would, then you need to reevaluate.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2019 12:24 PM

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I would say this. You not only have lied and shown that you do not possess the personal integrity to soldier but, now you enter into a forum trying to find a way around your admission to falsifying federal documents. Your skills do not prevent you from being successful in life but, DO prevent you to having what it takes to be a Soldier. I would ask you to own and admit to your mistake and find you another profession to enter. You lied to get in to something. My questions are how many lies will you tell to get out of something or tell to benefit your personal agenda. From my perspective, bow out.

Response by MSG Brian Berger made Feb 26 at 2019 5:35 PM

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Well lets see I had a heart murmur and it was hard to find it. I wouldnt worry about it. The only thing they had to do was before I got any kind of dental treatment, I had to take amoxycillin., so mine was not a big deal. When I went thru MEPS, which was 1980 all I said was, I was told I had a heart murmur. Noone in MEPS could ever find it. After I joined, I had my wisdom teeth removed. There was finally a doctor that found it and it could be only heard in a certain position. He told me I would take amoxycillin for the rest of my life if I was to ever have dental treatment. Noone else cared and they never medicated me for any other kind of normal procedure.

Response by MSG Brian Berger made Feb 26 at 2019 5:38 PM

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I am noticing a lot of criticism. People are pretty ugly. I want to know how many of you on here, ever told everyone the truth or didn't stretch it a little bit just so they wouldn't get in trouble. If you say you never had, I am the first one calling you a liar. Take it easy on the kid. Do you think they intentionally lied to get away with something

Response by TSgt Franklin Tiller made Feb 26 at 2019 5:47 PM

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Prior to my retirement I was the SLNCO for the US Air Force at the Fargo, ND MEPS. You did sign a legal document telling that branch of service all your answers was the truth therefore if you lied you can be punished legally. I had a heart murmur while serving in the Air Force so if it is a minor murmur it probably will not stop you from enlisting. I had gotten out at the end of my four year enlistment and re-entered the Air Four years later and they knew about my heart murmur. A lot has changed since my retirement for Air Force enlistment. If anything stops you it would be the lie you told which you could be charged for perjury.

Response by Col Jincy Hayes made Feb 26 at 2019 10:52 PM

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As s recruiting command inspector general, YES. They will go back and look at your records. We had a sailor who did the same thing, lied about a heart murmur. He made it through boot camp, but died the day of graduation. Several others in this boat also come to mind. Just ask yourself if that lie is worth dying for. That sailor's parents were in the parking lot, getting ready to visit him. Not worth it pal.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2019 8:43 AM

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No they won’t. Also all these people acting like saints are not. If you want to serve serve

Response by MSgt Rene Ramirez made Feb 27 at 2019 10:42 AM

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If you’re looking for a way out. Stop wasting the recruiter’s time and spending taxpayer money on something you do not really want to do. Cancel the appointment and move on and join the other million's who say, "I wanted to join but..."

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Feb 27 at 2019 12:03 PM

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Don't feel too bad about it. I also withheld medical info from MEPS. Most trained medical professionals will tell you thos impossible and that I am full of BS but my parents and I found out I do not have the top two vertebrae in in my spine and I only have a partial third. The top three vertebrae are supposed to the connectors of skull to the spine and allow you to rotate your head. I only have a partial third. Otherwise I have been okay. I served honorably for three years. But if the military knew, I may have been disqualified from service. I went through MEPS in Seattle in May 1988 just weeks before I graduated High School and went on to have a spectacular 3 year career as a Missile Maggot in Field Artillery.

Response by PO3 G. Martinez made Feb 27 at 2019 2:26 PM

2019-02-27T14:26:03-05:00

Really "Civilian" you're putting this on a public platform? Please don't join the Navy!

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Feb 27 at 2019 4:42 PM

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Should have just been up front especially with your recruiter, so you lied to him and lied to MEPS, so what does that say about you, it says you can't be trusted or relied on, what if we're going for high security job in the military or civilian life, and you haven't been sworn in yet, maybe it was just a bone head move, or just a bad idea not mention it but being upfront and honest, would tell them that you should be revaluated and possibly be given that opportunity to join up

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2019 5:24 PM

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Wow dude you really had a bad recruiter

Response by PFC Garry Tarvin made Feb 27 at 2019 8:45 PM

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Don't say a word, play dumb, if they find a mumur say that's news to you..

Response by Cpl Thomas Guice made Feb 27 at 2019 9:59 PM

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You didnt lie. You improvised. Dont drag your name in the mud to the asshole in the military. There are lots of self righteous pos who think their shit dont stink.

Response by SGT Joseph Louis made Feb 28 at 2019 9:09 AM

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No one actually gives a shit. stop telling people about it. Especially on a site with a bunch of dudes who suck the goverments nutsack.

Response by SGT Joseph Louis made Feb 28 at 2019 9:10 AM

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No one actually cares. Never talk about it again especially on a website with a bunch of dudes who suck the sweat off the governments nutsack.

Response by Cpl Toni Beltrano made Feb 28 at 2019 10:11 AM

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You will get into trouble. You lied on a government application and to a government official. They will go back and look in your records.

Response by SSgt Alec Pandaleon made Feb 28 at 2019 1:22 PM

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When I went to MEPS in Richmond, VA in 1984 they found a previously undiagnosed "physiologic heart murmur". I was told physiologic meant it could only be detected when I was lying down. Went to my primary care doctor; he confirmed it and nothing came of it. If yours was diagnosed at age 6 I doubt they should hold you responsible for something your parents were told about you at that age. If, however, you had restrictions on physical activity such as sports etc. that would be a different matter. Go to the specialist with a great attitude, tell him you really want to serve and you should be good to go unless you are at risk of dropping dead tomorrow. I managed to serve 14 years in the USMC without any problems.

Response by PO2 Jeanette Lawson made Feb 28 at 2019 2:55 PM

2019-02-28T14:55:06-05:00

well well dude seeing that you lie which most wait til they have grown up the chain of command so this is a screw up for you. Then you go on the web and not the black web to state such screw up is just pilling the duke. My question is are you having second thoughts as to ur enlisting, and this would be ur easy way out? Remember no money amount can replace ur reputation, its reflects ur honor. Your statement is so unbecoming and fraudulent enlistment. I vote for not to serve

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2019 3:41 PM

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Accession medical standards (MEPS) and medical retention standards are different per DoD. Don’t worry, let medical professionals do their job. A heart murmur in and of its self is not an automatic non-retention determination. In all cases you will be medically evaluated and then evaluated for physical limitations surrounding the murmor. Be transparent about it to the doc.

Response by PO3 Timothy Coleman made Feb 28 at 2019 5:01 PM

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play dumb. it isn't worth worrying about.

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Feb 28 at 2019 5:40 PM

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Your msg states that you are a potential recruit. Am I correct in saying you have yet joined? If not, you need to be honest with the MEPS Drs. If they put you thru, at least it’s (hopefully) documented. If anything should happen later, it’s a monkey on their back. If you get passed thru, something happens 5 years from now and they find out you lied, I can’t begin to tell you the problems you’ll be faced with it just your heart condition. Currently, you are not Government property. 5 years from now and you’ll be crying to God to get you out of the whole you dug. You could be the greatest guy on earth but, being perfectly honest with you, in a combat or emergency situation, no one wants to be next to you when your ticker decides to spring. Not only are you a danger to yourself but, those around you also. At least, if you get rejected now, no big deal. Just beware of the last two words. “I do”.

Response by SGT Rafael Morales made Feb 28 at 2019 6:31 PM

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Did you make a mistake when you wrote it?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2019 9:30 PM

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Young recruit, did you not think this one through before you posted that here?

Response by PO1 William Van Syckle made Feb 28 at 2019 10:46 PM

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Shipmate, when I went into the service, I had a murmur. I told MEPS and they had a hard time finding it. I had a cardiologist write a letter stating it would not effect my service. I retired after 24 years and still going strong. Each year after I entered service, I had my annual physical and they never found my murmur. Get the letter and let MEPS know. Don’t get caught in a lie and get a less than honorable discharge. It will wreck your life.....

Response by SSgt C Chambers made Mar 1 at 2019 3:34 AM

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I am Amazed at how many servicemen are chastising this young man for falsifying a document. Many of you at sometime in your careers have done the same. Now this young man didn't do it because he was to lazy to perform an inspection, not even because he missed a deadline and backdated it accordingly, he wants to Serve his nation! Now, I question his intellect because he chose a public forum to ask a very private question, but I digress. Everyone, I mean Everyone has told a lie, far less noble than this one.

Response by PVT Tony Notimportant made Mar 1 at 2019 4:23 AM

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Screw MEPs, don't let anyone or any process stop you! Listen the best Senior NCO's i've ever served with were liars. This might seem like a distorted statement...just deploy and you'll find out what I mean! Good luck!

Response by Sgt Justen Ortloff made Mar 1 at 2019 8:02 AM

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Best bet, be absolutely honest with them, you don't need to volunteer information, but anything they ask you, tell the truth.

Response by CAPT Darrell Lovins made Mar 1 at 2019 8:47 AM

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The issue, beyond the lie, is one of world-wide deployment. As former Chief, Sea Services of DoDMERB, I reviewed thousands of medical records each year for all service branches looking for potential disqualifying conditions in accordance with the DoDI 6130.4. This is the same Instruction used by MEPS.

Any unaddressed medical condition potentially jeopardizes mission readiness. Waivers can be issued and give leadership the "heads-up" about each candidate. Leadership then can decide the risk to the unit and the individual. If a murmur is truly innocent, no problem. When seeking opportunities within the military which may require security clearances, the lie would be an issue. The frequency of waivers varies according to service needs. It seems when civilian economic times were good and recruiting was difficult, waivers abounded. When economic times were less good, waivers became fewer in number.

Moreover, I have seen doctors lie on behalf of their patients thinking that serving in uniform is "just another job." I had no desire of sending a flag-draped coffin back to a grieving family. It might be harsh to say that the civilian recruits, their doctors, and their counselors are clueless when it comes to the military...and in reality, they really are a bit ignorant of what we really do.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2019 9:01 AM

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So are you wanting to be discharged? I’m pretty sure this is most likely the first mistake of your military career. Ha. You sir, have the right to not self incriminate.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2019 9:02 AM

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But, I did see a private with no vision in his left eye get a waiver and ship to basic. So there’s always a possibility

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2019 11:24 AM

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Be honest and talk to your recruiter about the waiver process.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Mar 1 at 2019 1:17 PM

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Two things. First, you shouldn't have lied about this in the first place. The government looks down on lying in forms. The second thing is that you shouldn't have mentioned this on a public forum. You literally just admitted to falsifying documents on a public forum that many active duty service members frequent. So it looks as though you're lacking in both integrity and intelligence.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2019 2:23 PM

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They will now...I hope you signed up for RP under an alias.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2019 3:40 PM

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Suck it up buttercup. Come clean and talk to the recruiter. Worse that could happen is that you will not get enlisted or that your recruitment will get delayed while MEPS looks at the additional documents.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2019 11:07 PM

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MEPS is a very thorough process. When I processed through MEPS they wanted to know about literally every single headache or what not I have ever experienced. There is no way for me to remember every bump or bruises or headache I have had. They are going to give you a complete physical to make sure you are ready to go. I didn't give them any medical records when I went because I simply didn't have any. I can't remember where I went or who I saw for everything I had growing up. You are incriminating yourself for fraud by writing this post in a public forum which really isn't smart. You can have a heart murmur for simply being dehydrated. Having a heart Murmur isn't always a big deal and you shouldn't have been worried about it. The fact that they found it just means they are going to study you more to see that it isn't something serious and if it isn't serious they will give you a waiver and send you on your way no big deal. Give them the medical records you have, and let them do their physicals on you. It is their job to determine if you are fit for duty or not. The fact that you purposely hid this is what the issue is. Honesty is the best policy, and lying will eventually catch up to you. I have seen many people turn bad situations much worse by lying. try to use this experience to be better from now on, we all make mistakes just don't keep making the same ones.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2019 12:00 AM

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Response by SSG Jose Ortizburgos made Mar 2 at 2019 12:17 AM

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Yes they will and you will be charged for false enters and possible imprisonment.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2019 1:26 AM

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Don't post that stuff on here.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2019 2:16 PM

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Delete your post jackass

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2019 6:18 PM

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you shouldve listened to your recruiter

Response by PO3 Wade Raymer made Mar 2 at 2019 9:25 PM

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As a veteran that worked as a corpsman once you go to a cardiologist and if they clear you you should have no worries. This is actually small bean in terms of lies. Most of the time anyway a murmur clears up over time or is benign which won’t disqualify you. I wouldn’t worry to much about it. For as many people that go through MEPS for them to search everyone’s medical record is overboard.

Response by Jack Osorio made Mar 3 at 2019 12:29 AM

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They can't pull up your medical records unless you sign up for the hippa but if you end up injured they might pull it up

Response by SFC Patrick Machayo made Mar 3 at 2019 3:32 AM

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Point clear: we are soldiers, or, we were. Best advice: fess up. No penalties, other than immediate discharge, maybe general or other than honorable, probably upgradeable later. Explain clearly why you lied. If you are a decent soldier , would be dumb if they let you go. You put word out you lied Can't back off now. Wish you all the best.

Response by SGT Marc Riordan made Mar 3 at 2019 2:06 PM

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THIS IS A TROLL POST, HE'S NOT EVEN IN THE MILITARY ACCORDING TO HIS PROFILE.

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Mar 3 at 2019 2:22 PM

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If you do get in and then later on you have problems, then yes they can go back and you may even be subject to a discharge. Not sure if it will be bad conduct or general. Either way its not a good situation to be in.

As a former medical NCO, i have seen this same story play out, it depends on your chain of command.

Response by LTC Frank Holder made Mar 3 at 2019 3:00 PM

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I think it's important to stress two issues - the first of which has been covered thoroughly in terms of honesty and integrity. Not being forthright at one of the first opportunities in your career does not bode well.

Just as important, withholding medical information puts you and your fellow soldiers at risk (what if you're driving a vehicle and have a cardiac event?) and leaves the service at risk because they simply don't know - because you chose not to tell them. If it involves a heart murmur, is it really worth it if getting in the service means gambling with your life or the life of others? We aren't doctors - that's why we go to doctors to get their input and guidance. Unless you're a cardiologist, this is a decision that we are simply not qualified to make. Be honest with yourself, MEPS, and your future fellow soldiers - get it checked out.

Response by SPC Jordan Sutich made Mar 3 at 2019 7:20 PM

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They sure can. My neighbor was just released for that very reason.

Response by Capt George Kent Brashear made Mar 4 at 2019 12:30 AM

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This reminds me of when I went to a large induction center to take the AFOQT (Air Force Officer Qualification Test). It was a long and grueling test and I was sick with the flu. I can remember only one question: Does the smell of sweal repulse you? Of course not. Officers are rough and ready.

So what does that have to do with a physical? Well, the physical was given in the same building.

Response by Cpl George Goodwin made Mar 4 at 2019 7:21 AM

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Think of it this way, you don't get caught. Something happens while on the battlefield and you have just put your buddies lives in more danger than they already were.

Response by SFC David F. Podesta made Mar 4 at 2019 2:22 PM

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A childhood heart murmur didn't keep me out of the army in 1964, but back then, if you walked into the place where they were giving the draft physicals, you passed. I told them about it, and they took out that big "1A" stamp and put it on my papers. Anyway, Jason, lying on official documents is a very BIG no-no. You screwed the pooch. Maybe you'll get lucky...maybe not.

Response by SSG Sofia Cardenas made Mar 4 at 2019 5:42 PM

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It truly needs to be your choice to tell the truth and request a waiver. As someone else put it "Will it effect your job performance?" Many ppl lie at MEPS just to be able to serve is what most want. I personally discharged a Soldier under a fraudulent enlistment since she failed to perform or continue her contract. She changed her mind after AIT and gave me a sob story. I went out of my way to assist her and informed her that she needed to see a recruiter or retention NCO to try to change her MOS. Also, while she is looking for a new unit at her new home, in another state, she must continue to stay in good standing and perform duty. She failed all requests and I started to process her out as a Non-participant (Reservist). Then I received a letter from her doctor stating she hurt her knee in Basic Training. That is when I went through her medical record and found out she had 2 suicide attempts prior to enlistment. There are no waivers for suicide attempts. So I processed her out and she got nothing in the end.

Response by SFC Suzanne Lubbers made Mar 4 at 2019 6:58 PM

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First of all, you lied. And you lied at MEPS...where you ENTER the military. Seeing as you knew about your previous condition (hence, you admitted it) and you may not have told the MEPS medical team verbally that you had a heart murmur, but when you fill out your DD Form 2807-2, there is a question under Section II about your Heart. The first question is "Heart murmur, valve problem or mitral valve prolapse" and you checked "no" on this I presume since you said that you lied. That's falsifying legal military documentation that stays with your records forever, and yes, you can get into trouble for this.

Secondly, will they look into your records to find your falsifying information? Well, that would depend on your command and how astute they are or if your medical facility probes into your past. If you don't get into trouble for this, I would be very surprised. I work at MEPS and I have seen where AFTER a person has shipped and are actually at BCT, they're pulled out. Check out Article 107 of the UCMJ! Good Luck dude!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2019 8:25 PM

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They are primarily concerned with here and now not the past. However, they may scan through them to see if there is a history of heart murmurs. With all that being said if they decide you are a medical risk you’ll be thanked for applying nothing legal.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Mar 5 at 2019 1:29 AM

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yeah... PLEASE go to basic and die of CHF... PLEASE! No more retards like your lyin ass needed. Your mom will be proud that you tried to join the military but pissed when you get ZERO financial backing from it... IF you pass BCT, you won't last long in AD component

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2019 8:12 PM

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This was not a question to post on a public website man.

Response by John Cox made Mar 5 at 2019 8:56 PM

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Don't even worry bout it if u pass boot camp. No biggie. Just go with flow if they find out just say u didn't know now. Just say u grew out of it. They never let me in. When I had asthma. I hated that so much cuz others got in and they refuse my volunteerjng. Here I was dying to serve.my country. And they refuse. You lucky to get in. Stay with it don't give up. If they do find out. And try to 4f u. Tell hell no. You have a right. To serve and all. Don't let anyone try stop u. I did all I could to get in . But with the asthmatic issues I had. I had to finally accept the fact they would not take me. And I might not survive the gas Chamber. All I wanted to do was be a chef. So became damn good on in the civilian world.

Response by Cpl Chris Ramirez made Mar 7 at 2019 6:29 AM

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Here's a story of a dude I knew.

He wanted to go to OCS and become an officer in the Marine Corps. He had been diagnosed with asthma as a child but never again through the rest of his life. He wanted to do the right thing, and fought for 4 years to get a waiver for something he knew he never really had. He fought it very hard, as he had to get it from a certain group of doctors in the Navy for a specific job he wanted. The people he was working with lied to him, as they were tired of hearing from this person.
Dude got mad. He enlisted instead and decided he'd go another way. He ended up becoming a grunt, and spent the next 5 years doing grunt stuff until he jacked up his shoulder.

Morale of the story.

The guy knew it wasn't an issue but he made damned sure he busted his ass before hand to prove to himself it wasn't. Only then did he say fuck it and do what you did. I'd recommend if your going to maintain the lie, you get out there and run your dick into the mud to make sure it's not gonna be an issue. If you go into combat arms, you gotta remember there are other lives depending in you, and if your heart shits itself at the wring time, you can get a lot of people killed.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Mar 10 at 2019 6:20 PM

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Just platy ignorant and deny knowing you had one. How the hell do you remember what you heard when you are 6?

Response by Jerry Rivas made Mar 10 at 2019 6:23 PM

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I joined the army and when they found out I had asthma, they put me out on a medical discharge. 6 months later I joined the National Gaurd and went to Basic training AGAIN. The asthma never acted up and everything was fine. My CO knew about it and wouldnt try to punish someone who only wanted to serve.

Response by Sgt Ronald Paden made Mar 10 at 2019 10:44 PM

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You signed a contract you said everything in it was true but if the MEPS Doctor cleared you, you should be ok as long as your next cardiologist visit is good you should be ok.
But as LTC Mackey said;
THIS IS A PUBLIC FOURM there are Active Duty as well as Veterans on here.
Be careful what you say on this forum.

Response by CPL Banter Boss made Mar 11 at 2019 4:48 PM

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Real answer here: They will look only if you have an injury related to it.

Response by Louis Williams made Mar 11 at 2019 5:20 PM

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Your lies are irrelevant. The essential qualification for Military enlistment is passing the requirements of a military physical. You failed the physical, that means your chances of receiving a medical discharge are slim to none. The Military of all places is not where you want to be to have a heart attack. To enlist under your conditions places you in danger to yourself and your fellow soldiers. Your heart might be in the right place but the rest of your body and MEPS says otherwise.

Response by SSG Richard Rushing made Mar 11 at 2019 9:01 PM

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John Kellen, if you knowingly lied, you need to put a gag over your own mouth and double-time your ads to the shower and commence to waterboarding yourself until the truth comes out or your momma makes you stop. Just Damn son... Get down and push mother earth away from your butt until I say when.

Response by SSG Ray Elliott made Mar 16 at 2019 7:42 AM

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1st thing I would do is not go on a website full of military people, both active and retired, and admit you lied. I don't advise lying but since you already have: They will do their own evaluation of your current condition and are unlikely to consult your civilian medical records. If they do, just because your Doctor and Parents knew of a condition you had at 6 years old (and were expected to grow out of it), doesn't mean they told you about it. You had plausible deniability before coming here and making a public admission, and a medical separation was more probably than disciplinary action for lying.

Response by PO3 Douglas Lehman made Mar 17 at 2019 8:54 PM

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Dear John, intentional or not a heart condition can put you and your shipmates/fellow soldiers at risk if SHTF situation. Stress on the body can do crazy stuff. Do the right thing and come clean. The fact you’re asking on a public forum gives rise to guilt. Stay safe and be well my friend

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2019 10:41 PM

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This post carries SOOOOO much facepalm with it...

Did you ever think there was a reason your Recruiter, his/her fellow Recruiters, his/her Center Leader, and everyone all the way up to the swearing Officer had asked you if you were lying? I mean, for even a MOMENT?

The people we let in today... you, your Recruiter, and much of his chain of command and MEPS staff are likely wondering when the investigation is going to begin.

Well done, Boot.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Mar 19 at 2019 12:45 AM

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You should not have lied and then this question would not be necessary. The truth works better.

Response by MAJ T Ferris made Mar 24 at 2019 11:24 PM

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No, they can’t
Look at your medical records due to the HIPPA Laws. Did you know you still had this when you went to MEPS?

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Mar 26 at 2019 2:05 PM

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No one lies at the MEPS. Unheard of

Response by SPC Earl Semler made Apr 1 at 2019 5:12 PM

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If at the age of six your parents were told you would grow out of it and you discovered at MEPS you still had it, I don't think you lied. I think you passed on erronous info your parents were given Go to th doctor they are sending you to and find out what they say,
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Response by SMSgt Clayton Cortinas made Apr 5 at 2019 10:19 AM

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Most heart murmers are harmless and most likely waverable. Lying, on the other hand, is always dangerous and can lead to unintended disaster!

Response by PO3 Michael L made Apr 6 at 2019 9:20 PM

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I had a heart murmur as well and my recruiter got me a waiver... lol. Never lie at meps... moron

Response by SGT David Racette made Apr 7 at 2019 1:48 AM

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You want in that bad,just shut up and 0lay dumb, I tried to in at 16 lied about my age, they caught it at the induction center ,all they said was "look son I wish more young men were as enthusiastic as you are, but you gotta home at least until your 17 , give me a meal ticket and bus fare.

Response by SGT David Reed made Apr 7 at 2019 5:51 PM

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Always a good policy to don't lie! If u make it in just stay on the straight and narrow.

Response by SSG David Forler made Apr 9 at 2019 7:27 PM

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You must keep it on going. Every physical you do. If you try flight school, special forces , your physical will be gone over with a fine comb. I did, because I knew they wouldn’t except me, but my drive and never quit attitude motivated me and my issue, I actually grew out of, after Airborne School in 80’

Response by SFC James Simpson made Apr 17 at 2019 7:24 PM

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Just start digging. And dig it deep.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2019 2:50 PM

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People lie all the time at the recruiter. As a medic and working in clinics ive heard a lot of "I used to smoke pot when I was a young teenager but my recruiter told me to lie".

What separates a liar from someone who was mislead on my opinion is never coming clean about it. You have the opportunity to come clean and say "hey, I had a huge lapse in judgement and I want to come clean about it and do this then right way". Most the time if you dont have some terd reviewing your file they may see that you came clean and decided to own your mistake and learn from it.

Now getting caught and then coming clean is a bit different as it shows you only are telling the truth now because you were caught and leads people to believe what else you may be hiding. Medical history is not like smoking pot 5,10,15yrs ago, it's on paper and proven.

My advice: own it and move on. If you have an understanding nco/officer reviewing that file that may see it as a learning moment for you.. best of luck, always tell the truth in the future.

...my two cents

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2019 6:59 AM

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First of all this is not the place for you to unload your dirty laundry. If the MEPS doctor told you stuff, then run with it and stop lying. Why would I want to work with you if you lie. I feel you should choose a different profession where the lives of the people entrusted in you don’t have to worry about you lying.
Secondly as I have worked a meps and dealt with kids who lie. When the doctor caught your murmur, he or she may have saved your life. Go get it fixed and try again stop lying to get a job. We want people who are trustworthy

Response by SSG David Rollins made Apr 21 at 2019 6:43 PM

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As a former assistant personnel officer, I can assure you that eventually, it will pop up as will any other discrepancies, i. e. : traffic tickets, other convictions, marriages, divorces, bankruptcies and in my day most of the time you were sent packing! Tell the truth in the beginning because it is not worth it to get caught down the road!

Response by PV2 Michael Miedzianowski made Apr 26 at 2019 10:46 PM

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Not a good statement to be made on a PUBLIC DOMAIN ! Do not be surprised if you get contacted by DOD .

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Apr 28 at 2019 11:30 AM

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I’m torn on this one. Yes lying itself is bad and against the Army values but history is full of outstanding soldiers that lied about medical issues to get in. Audie Murphy was rejected by the Marines and Navy because he was too short and too skinny and I believe he put rocks in his pockets to make weight for the Army and he earned ever valor award including The Medal Of Honor. Many pilots who became Aces memorized the eye charts to get into flight school. If you read Band of Brothers many of them who were wounded at Normandy went AWOL from hospitals to jump into Holland and many did the same to join them in Bastogne. So your motivation seems pure you don’t want this to keep you from serving but in the future be honest I had the same heart murmur problem as you and I also grew out of it I also was told I had a concussion at 14 and all MEPS had me do was be evaluated by a neurologist who determined that I in fact didn’t had a concussion and was misdiagnosed. I ended up serving 22 years

Response by SPC Melissa Lee made Apr 30 at 2019 3:44 PM

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First NEVER lie on a Government form, second I had a slight heart murmur and still was medically cleared. It wasn't a big deal because it didn't effect my health. But it could bite you in your ass for lying

Response by SSG Garry Hendricks made Apr 30 at 2019 7:42 PM

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Back in 1965 my brother-in-law had a heart murmur and he was still drafted anyway.

Response by SFC Marshal Gleason made May 3 at 2019 8:36 AM

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Look, whatever name is, please pull your application to join. The best thing for our country is for you to never ever, and I mean fucking ever, be apart of a live fire mission. I would say, even the quartermasters branch wouldn’t take you. They’d call Jessica Lynch back before they’d give you a seat in a vehicle. Shit, we’re in trouble y’all, big trouble!

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2019 10:12 AM

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People like you who hide health issues end up making radical changes to the way Armed Forces operate. Changes in instructions, SOPs, etc that make them too soft because the upper leadership ends up thinking that PT and PT tests, for example, are too hard because recruits are getting hurt. People that hide health problems create unnecessary misconceptions. Just tell the truth.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2019 12:33 PM

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Putting it on a Network site that only military go on, including people that work at meps. For others looking at this, integrity is the best option in the beginning.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2019 12:37 PM

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I know a lot of people lie at meps. Army values aside it's your ethical decision to make. Is lying to serve a huge issue? It depends on if the condition still exists and what job you end up taking. You have to live with that. If you don't get caught because you posted on a public network site, then learn this: never put anything that makes people doubt you in writing. Your company commander could stumble on this in the future and use it to chapter you out.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2019 12:40 PM

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Also it's a possible felony conviction and you just outed yourself

Response by SSgt David Clements made May 5 at 2019 7:20 PM

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I don't endorse lying but, you would have to sign a release for someone to read your medical records.

Response by SFC William Long made May 5 at 2019 9:46 PM

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It was not smart to do, They May never find out but if you a medical problem someday they will find it

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made May 5 at 2019 10:23 PM

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Like the LTC said this is a public website and like Facebook.
Any one can see.
I strongly sujest that you tell your recurter the truth and hope they let you enlist with a waver.
Wavers are granted all the time.

Response by MSgt Hamish Barrett made May 5 at 2019 11:49 PM

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The MEPS will order your medical records for the review.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2019 3:23 AM

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They will. But it is best to own up before you go in.

Response by LTC Norman Cottrell made May 6 at 2019 7:43 PM

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Since you were advised by medical personnel that it would go away, you didn't actually lie. Apparently they were wrong . . . not your fault. MEPS tested you and found it . . . so what? That is their job and they are proceeding per SOP. They will either say; "Good to go" or "No go." It's out of your hands . . . play dumb and see where it ends up. Not a lie because you were operating on the advice given you by medical professionals. nc

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 1:34 PM

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79 Romeos never lie.

Response by PO2 Daryl Lafferior made May 7 at 2019 4:10 PM

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I doubt that anything will come of it. I was found to have a murmur by the nurse officer while I was in Corps school. It didn't get me kicked out of the service and I still did my six years active. It obviously was not an issue for you from the age of 6 so drive on!

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 4:22 PM

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Doubt it but I wouldn't be posting stuff like this online

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2019 7:26 PM

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I agree with everyone else, now that you posted it online I'd say that gives them cause to check your records

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2019 10:11 AM

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So you should have let someone know, and you put this question on a public website. Your regular doctor has no idea what the military allows in and what they don't. For example, eczema is a permanent disqualication that some of my applicants have been told is fine. There is a new medical prescreen that you sign that releases med docs now. Go to your recruiter now and let them know

Response by PO3 Denise Haag made May 8 at 2019 11:36 AM

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If your heart murmur doesn't require medication then it isn't an issue. However, like someone else posted this is a public site and anyone can read it.

No promises on how what ever branch will respond once they know you liked on your entrance physical at MEPS

Response by SPC Manny Managuit made May 8 at 2019 4:18 PM

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You are something else.. you will learn army value real quick..

Response by SFC Carlton Parkhurst made May 8 at 2019 11:39 PM

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I myself joined and then lost my contract because I ruptured my spleen. Even though I didn't get it removed I still had to have a waiver, medical records from my doctor and even a letter from my employer stating that I could perform very strenuous tasks. I also recruited for 3 years and have seen that side of the house. If you tell them everything down to the common cold then everyone that enlists would need a waiver or the bare minimum a lot of medical records. With that being said the condition that you have/had is one that should be mentioned. Tell them the truth get your recruiter the records and if you can get your original doctor to do a letter that he has reevaluated you a feels in his professional opinion that you would be able to do anything that a person that hasn't had your condition it would go a long way.

Response by SFC John L Waid made May 9 at 2019 12:30 AM

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I Don’t Think You Have A Problem Just Don’t Say Anything Or Admit Anything

Response by SSG Antonio Golden made May 10 at 2019 8:14 AM

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They probably wouldn’t have until now. You should have ended your question with “asking for a friend”

Response by PO1 Jeffrey Pennala made May 10 at 2019 12:58 PM

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If you take your physical and a heart murmur isn't detected you are fine. Heck a bunch of these holier than thou's on here could have had one as well and grew out of it. Heart problems are one of the things they look for on a physical, and you have no knowledge that you have one anymore. Any good doctor would catch it on the physical. In my experience those who are the most indignant and high on their imagined perfect values are the ones who have the most guilt about the baggage they are carrying. When I was 7, I was diagnosed having a hernia it healed itself, I turned my head and coughed at my physical no hernia, yeah me. If some doc puts a stethoscope on your chest and has a listen and you pass good for you. (btw still no hernia)

Response by SGT Richard H. made May 10 at 2019 1:24 PM

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A few thoughts: first, you should’ve been honest. Plain and simple. Second , you mentioned that you were told at six years old that it would clear up. Did you assume it had and maybe in that way just omit it not intending it to be false? Finally, since you have not been listed yet I don’t really think there is a case for fraudulent enlistment, But you could very well be denied enlistment for it.

Response by PO3 Michael Dean made May 10 at 2019 1:39 PM

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I also had a murmur and it was found again in bootcamp and they said get back to your division and don't be a p#$$y!
Don't worry about it.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made May 10 at 2019 1:54 PM

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Yes they will go back. A few years ago an Airman lied at MEPS to get free medical care for a medical condition and after the military found out he was dishonorably discharged but I can remember if he had to pay back any money back to the military.

Response by CPO John Krawczyk made May 10 at 2019 2:49 PM

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MEPS sent you to the cardiologist so he will make the determination if you are fit for duty. You won't be cleared to he says so.

Response by 1SG Gerald Wilson made May 10 at 2019 3:16 PM

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It doesn't matter now, they found it. Its up to the doc or the waiver authority. If your Senior Guidance Counselor did his/ her job they have already added the medical discrepancy comments to your record. You should be good. In the future be honest though dude because you will crack under pressure and end up screwing yourself.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2019 8:14 PM

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Even though he didn't tell the whole story, I don't think it is the problem you are making it. A murmur is a murmur- not a disease diagnosis. Murmurs are due to turbulent flow of blood through the heart and they can be caused by a number of things, even anemia. If they didn't pick up a murmur at the MEPS station, I wouldn't necessarily worry about it. I had an "innocent murmur" during one of my early military physicals. They said these occurred early an life and I would grow out of it. I did. I spent a career in the military, and I'm now 70 with no heart problems.

Response by SGT Daniel Durkovich made May 10 at 2019 10:10 PM

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We all lied about something at MEPS. Speaking as a former medic and now cardiovascular professional a murmur is just an abnormal sound. It doesn't mean much unless it interferes with you regular heart function. Play stupid. You were 6 when you found out.

Response by LTC Gary Earls made May 10 at 2019 10:38 PM

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I found out from our family doctor that I had a heart murmur before I entered college. He told me to do anything I wanted. Two years later I'm taking a draft physical and I told the doctor that I had a heart murmur. (He probably heard that allot) He listened and said , "yes you do, 1A". It didn't bother me during Basic, AIT, Infantry OCS and over twenty five flight physicals. I'm now monitored by a cardiologist. I would let someone know.

Response by Cpl Dean Peterson made May 11 at 2019 12:57 PM

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You might get away with it, but if you're looking for a security clearance or special forces, it will come up.

Response by CPT Carlos Ribadeneira made May 11 at 2019 4:07 PM

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I think the biggest concern you should have is whether or not having a heart murmur will limit your ability to go through, and pass basic training. But it doesn't end there! Most likely you'll be deployed to Afghanistan, so think of how the extreme heat, extraneous mission requirements, fatigue, stress from combat, or just beign in theater will affect not just your heart, but and overall health. Other people that have commented on your post are only concerned about you lying to MEPS, your integrity, blah, blah, blah..., but I think the biggest lie is lying to yourself, and end up dead because of it. So, ask yourself, is a little lie worth it?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2019 4:43 PM

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I lied too, I said I was 6’0 but really was 5’11.

Response by SPC Adam Lincoln made May 11 at 2019 7:33 PM

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They can’t look at your records unless you allow them to. I’m pretty sure you would be an automatic no go if you told them about the murmur up front. It’s sucks that they found it.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made May 11 at 2019 11:39 PM

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well, the cat's out of the bag now...

Response by SPC Don Stringer made May 12 at 2019 10:06 AM

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Just tell them you are a Transgender Muslim, they will immediately drop any and all investigations.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made May 12 at 2019 11:16 AM

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They could. Best bet is to confess NOW before, they tell you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2019 5:18 PM

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I am a medical NCOIC at a MEPS. If you disclose this information with the MEPS, it won’t be a big deal. Just be honest and you won’t have anything to worry about.

Response by CPO Mike Castro made May 12 at 2019 6:05 PM

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Don't join the Navy, it won't end well. goggle "Fat Leonard"

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made May 12 at 2019 11:36 PM

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What they decide will be based on what the Service's cardiologist determines. Lying is a bad habit to bring with you to the military. Highly unlikely that they will access your childhood medical records. Just adopt a better approach to not doing things that are wrong...

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2019 11:45 PM

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First and foremost be honest I have pectus excavatum (caved in sternum) since I was born and had surgery on it when I was 13 and 16 but I told my recruiter and I had paperwork on it that they knew but I had horrible acne at the time and they wanted me to lie but the MEPS Doc knew what it was and I had to get waived for it, needless to say I got it approved and I swore in the Navy that same day now I'm almost two years in, my biggest tip for you is keep your mouth shut and don't try to fall for their tricks believe me and since this is a public website and I'm not trying to beat the dead horse, think twice next time you post. Other than that I wish you luck and as an Enlisted sailor trying to get into the Officer commissioning programs, go for what you want to go for in life and your career. Good Luck.

Response by LTC Andrew Addison made May 13 at 2019 1:56 AM

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I'm wondering a few things...Why did you lie? How did you come up with the idea to lie about your medical history? Did your recruiter "suggest" that you be dishonest about your health? Why are you so dumb to even post your dishonesty on this public forum?

Response by SFC Michael Arabian made May 13 at 2019 11:30 AM

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One of my biggest pet peeves is being lied too. I always told my Soldier that if you lie to me I can’t help you.

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made May 13 at 2019 7:36 PM

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I suggest that you not follow the advice of "just play dumb." I suggest you just be smart and correct the record before you get to far into your initial duty. I mean, for the record, correct it ASAP yesterday as you are admitting to enlisting under false pretenses (best case) to a Fraudulent Enlistment (Worst Case). What that means is that you have an issue with your heart which occurs during a PT test, and you are hospitalized for it, AND, they find out that you had a pre condition to which you had full knowledge prior to enlistment.Your condition is considered as PRE-EXISTING and you do not qualify for any compensation for any injuries because you knowingly failed to inform the MEPS Medical personnel as well as your Recruiter. And consider this.. should you suffer a permanent injury or death caused by a pre existing heart condition, you and or your survivors cannot claim anything resulting from a fraudulent entry. Therefore I suggest you do the smart thing and INFORM the Recruiter regarding this issue, and should you be allowed to continue to entry, then if any issue that occurs after entry (with their full knowledge of a pre-existing condition), then if you do suffer an injury related to the heart, it can be considered Service Aggravated and you would be eligible for services/compensation if that aggravation was not considered a progressive involvement, but an acute event. So once again, Inform the Recruiter, and I suggest the NCOIC of the Recruiting personnel... YESTERDAY

Response by SSG John Tromp made May 14 at 2019 2:25 AM

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I had one my entire career and was just fine up, still am and retired out at 24 years. Somehow, they missed it at MEPS and I didn't know about it until after I got out. Mine's genetic, got it from Mom, that's how we know it didn't just suddenly pop up.

Response by SFC Tyrone Brown made May 14 at 2019 1:20 PM

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More than likely you will need a medical waiver after you take a pulmonary function test either with your doctor or a doctor that they refer you to. Depending on the results, it will help the MEPS determine if you are qualified or not.

Response by PO1 Andrew Whitehead made May 14 at 2019 7:51 PM

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When I was on Navy recruiting back in the late 80's...we would take you and brief you on how to beat the MEPS doctors. This included having Navy rep's at MEPS put you in back during the physical exam (the doctors would be tired and more likely to overlook you), telling you what answers to give to questions as well as having MEPS folks see to it that you never actually saw the doctors by rotating the physical charts (unless the doctor personally knows you, they'd miss it). It was a dirty business and I did only a year before accepting reassignment back to the fleet. This is when I decided not to take any more advancement exams as I was fed up with Chief's who were absolute frauds.

Response by PO3 James Bobiney made May 15 at 2019 2:19 PM

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The 1st mistake you made, well, I guess the 2nd to be honest, is even posting this on the internet in the first place. Good luck.

Response by SFC Charlie Jones made May 15 at 2019 7:49 PM

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Apparently your recruiter didn't feed you a big enough bottle of STFU

Response by 1LT Rich Voss made May 17 at 2019 12:23 AM

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I'm just seeing this post and it's now mid-May, so my thoughts/comments might be moot at this point. Having been part of the big draft for Viet Nam (and the Cold War), I saw lots of guys that SHOULDN'T have been drafted due to health issues, including heart murmurs, actually get drafted and try to convince Army Doctors they were a risk to themselves and others due their history. Some got "dragged along" for weeks before finally being released. Some were classmates of mine that hadn't been able to participate in Gym for those reasons. That being said, I wouldn't want someone serving under me, whether on my personal tank crew, my platoon, or in my company, that had the potential to put any of us at risk because of YOUR health issue or issues. Additionally, if you felt it was ok to lie about that...well, what else was "fair game" ?

Response by PO2 Michael Henry made May 20 at 2019 10:39 AM

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They might, you are taking a huge risk with your life and possibly others by enlisting with a heart murmur. They could throw the book at you and charge you with fraudulent enlistment which carries some stiff penalties including jail time. I think it really depends on what the doctor says. If the doctor says your fine, you may be in the clear. If not and you pursue enlistment further, are you really that willing to roll those dice? Recently a few sailors dropped dead after PT at the Navy's boot camp in Great Lakes, IL, never learned why but I would suspect a similar condition. Going in with a possible heart condition and getting PT'd every day could be the straw that broke the camel's back. Then they will go through all your records. Not worth it. Military service carries enough stress that even the best burnout in a few years. You need to see what the doctor says and go from there. If there is still a hint of it, tell the recruiter and go from there. It's not worth it.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2019 10:52 AM

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I think he can judge his own health issues.

Response by Cpl David Amos made Jun 5 at 2019 1:32 PM

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Integity is a very important thing. The fact you lied would suggest you have little to no integrity. You need to re-evaluate some things in your life because you aren't ready to join the military. These things are very important. You're not in grade school and you need to grow up a bit.

Response by Sgt Charles Patterson made Jun 7 at 2019 4:37 PM

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If you ever file a claim with the VA or DOD that has anything to do with your heart they will use it to deny your claim, but a military DR. found it and you were still admitted so that is in your favor but from now on keep your mouth shut.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2019 12:45 AM

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Lying is one thing but if you were coached by your recruiter it’s another. My recruiter told me to tell them absolutely nothing. To not tell them I grew out of asthma and had broken my ankle. My conscience got the better of me though and I told them after not putting it on my record, which lead to me being brought into an office and giving a statement about how I was told to not disclose anything to MEPS.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2019 3:58 AM

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All I will add is that 50% of soliders lied at maps but it's all up to you of you choose to ride along and make it in the military because if you are caught you might be in a lot of legal trouble but if you are not then your good until you might have a heart problem down the road. Some good advice dont post stuff like this online because everyone who is a blue falcon will see it and report you

Response by SGT Eric Vazquez made Jun 23 at 2019 5:22 PM

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Jesus man get some street smarts real fast or the E-4 Mafia will eat you alive

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2019 4:52 PM

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Heart murmurs are no big deal, many children have them. Many, many people don’t know their medical history so lying about something like that would be hard to prove or disprove. I doubt your medical records from back then even exist. You wouldn’t believe how many people think they are allergic to penicillin that aren’t; are they lying: probably not. Are they confused about their medical history: yes, like most people. The military has much bigger things to worry about than a heart murmur from your childhood.

Response by MSG Moises Maldonado made Jun 28 at 2019 12:34 AM

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I was drafted,, in 1969.. Yet I don't recall anyone in MEPS. Asking me about my Medical Records... They just went by What they Found (If Anything) at the Medical Check at the time.. Also I Got out after Vietnam and came back in as Prior Service, in 1973 . Again; They didn't ask me anything, Surely , they had access to my Prior Service(med) Records and Whatever was "There there" it was. To answer your question (or Opine on it). I'd say: " I doubt they will Go back to your Childhood records.. But they might Take you up on your Words" I lied to MEPS" and do it.. I hope Not, But they might Deny your enlistment or Maybe, Just MAYBE.. Have You Sign a Waiver to Future Claims as a Vet when you get Out. Good Luck... There are way too many Fake Disabilities as it is nowadays.. PTSD being the Most abused one.. I've heard about Vets getting Rated for it and Don't show a Smidgen of PTSD on a daily Basis.. Being "C C C" (Cool Calm & Collected) . Only to Play PTSD'ed( to the Psychiatrist on VETERAN Hospital Appointments.).

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2019 10:04 AM

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What medical records? Your family doctor's online medical records? Were you a dependent, therefore your medical records are the military's? If not, don't worry about it, that's why you are going to a cardiologist.

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Jul 1 at 2019 1:42 AM

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The MEPS might do or do a fed. back guard wit the the FBI to make sure you did not lie.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2019 9:31 PM

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If you are worried why are you posting this on line? Maybe someone might see it now and investigate?

Response by COL Mark Schulthess made Jul 1 at 2019 11:24 PM

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Play dumb

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2019 8:38 AM

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We all lied at meps. No big deal.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2019 8:38 AM

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Everyone lies at meps. No big deal.

Response by SFC Ken Reeves made Jul 2 at 2019 3:37 PM

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I'm slightly confused. So.. does MEPS know you have a murmur because they found it and now you have to go see a cardiologist? OR.. You didn't say you have a heart murmur and MEPS did not find out but on the side, you are knowing to see a cardiologist who is saying it's not a big deal and is basically clearing you?

Either way, I can only guess the recruiter did not want to do any type of medical waiver because he is trying to get you in before the end of the month.. wait.. it was Feb 22 when you posted it and it's had 182 responses so.. I did not read through them. Hopefully, it's all sorted out now.

Response by A1C Alvin Quackenbush made Jul 2 at 2019 9:56 PM

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Yup and will find a way to have you discharged maybe prison time for lying but it's ok for them to lie to us all the time

Response by A1C Alvin Quackenbush made Jul 2 at 2019 9:57 PM

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Just saying I was told same thing and yes they found out 3 months after I was discharged that was 22 years ago tho

Response by A1C Alvin Quackenbush made Jul 2 at 2019 10:05 PM

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Should hold recruiter responsible for there actions they lie to you just make there quota.
I was told same was honest with recruiter recruiter told me to answer no.
That's like you higher ranking military members telling lower ranks you can do this knowing full well you can't do it.
It's same thing sad in all my very short career I listened to higher military members n was lied to so much it cost me medical problems for rest of my life

Response by 2ndLt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2019 10:09 PM

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Firstly, posting publicly was dumb and I’d delete your question ASAP. Secondly, yes they can and will. One of my friends lies on his MEPS for the Marine Corps and almost got PRB’d out of the program. Luckily he stayed in the program because the medical issue was minor. A heart murmur isn’t a minor thing, especially in a military setting where sudden, unprovoked, high levels of stress is a commonality. By lying about having one you not only put yourself at risk, but you are making your future command and unit liable for your safety. I hope you understand that if you drop dead from this, several good men will lose their careers over it. Make sure your doctor clears you and don’t lie in the future, first thing you’ll learn in the military is integrity.

Response by MAJ John Lucas made Jul 3 at 2019 2:57 PM

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@John Kellan. I can relate, mainly because I have the same diagnosis, i.e., a heart murmur since birth (every doctor with a statoscope to my chest reports hearing a "whishing" sound). Heart murmur was noted during initial Army physical. Then upon physical for Special Forces Officer Course (SFOC) the doctor flags my records for "discovering" heart murmur which he claims is a disqualifier for SFOC. I ask for a review, stating that Ranger School, Jump School, IOBC, IOAC, and overseas Infantry deployments were all performed with the same pre-existing condition. So back to your question, in my opinion, you are not required to do anything (or even worry about it). Sounds counter-intuitive, but the less you tell the medical people the better it is for you long term career wise.

Response by Cpl Christian Sotoparra made Jul 3 at 2019 5:16 PM

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Everyone has lied at mepps. You think no one has ever done any weed before. The trick is to never admit and deny deny deny.

Response by SPC Raymond Taber made Jul 3 at 2019 6:17 PM

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Response by PFC Eric Bast made Jul 3 at 2019 8:27 PM

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Integrity......might want to look that up.

Response by PO2 Muhammad Aadam made Jul 4 at 2019 12:19 AM

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Buddy, you are admitting what? You may need legal help. You may want to keep my website handy muhammadshaheed.wearelegalshield.com

Response by MSgt Robert Kagel made Jul 4 at 2019 12:49 PM

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I don't think they will unless you screw up somewhere and they go digging through all of your records. BTW, don't ever lie again if you are in the military.

Response by Caitlin Williams made Jul 4 at 2019 3:02 PM

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How are you suppose to remember a medical condition you were told at 6 years old and never mentioned again

Response by PO1 Scott Cottrell made Jul 4 at 2019 3:46 PM

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Well, I was a Navy Brat, so I owned up to everything. Due to the Navy having my records already.

Response by Sgt James Gross made Jul 4 at 2019 3:48 PM

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MEPS will check all of your medical records, since you stated that you lied to them on a public website it could be cause for providing false and misleading information to a government agency. The best thing to have done was to be honest in the first place.

Response by Sgt Erle Mutz made Jul 4 at 2019 4:59 PM

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I agree with the LTC. Be careful of ANYTHING that you decide to put on the internet!! It will always come back to bite you in the ass.
Starting to build an initial background with the military of your choice is a great piece of your personal history. It can augment your resume as well as your future personality when in groups of other friends.
However, if you begin that part of your future with a lie, it can create extremely disastrous repercussions IF (because of the lie) another service member is harmed or killed, due to a major problem initiated by your heart issue!! "THAT" will not only follow your (for the rest of your life) but can get you DD.
You will be required to 'swear an Oath' based on the Constitution of these United States! DO NOT TAKE THAT LIGHTLY.

Response by COL Thomas Cagley made Jul 5 at 2019 7:50 AM

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Hopefully they will not. I was in a similar situation in 1962. I had failed a West Point physical because of a heart murmur but when I took my draft physical a few years later, it didn't show up, and I was accepted. Spent over 3 decades in the military and retired as a colonel. I never thought much about the question I had been asked so many years before. Heart murmurs were (and probably still are) so common among children, most do out grow them. I still have mine, but, as I said, I served a very long time, and at 79, while I have other issues, the heart murmur seems the least of them. As to lying, something that you were told at six is not as significant as if you were told at 18 or 20. CSM ZaGara sums it up pretty well.

Response by PO3 Charles Brooks made Jul 5 at 2019 8:05 AM

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I do find it funny you posting that to a public military forum with your full name and potential branch on it. But to answer your question probably not. But don’t hide something that can get you hurt or killed or risk someone else in the moment of truth. That’s just not right. But if, just if, after reading this thread some one with some juice on here decides to do the leg work, you would’ve just shot yourself in the foot. Self Blue Falcon achievement lol

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2019 9:22 AM

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Lol the military can’t find any medical records you don’t give them. If it’s not in ahlta, we are going to find it. Pick a way forward and stick to it. However you do run the risk of dying of cardiac arrest in basic training since you are concealing a potentially fatal heart condition

Response by SGT Ram Upadhyaya made Jul 5 at 2019 3:39 PM

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Everyone is born with a heart murmur. Some call it a "hole in the heart." Technically, it's called the Foramen Ovale and for most, it closes completely by age 6. I think that you were wrong to lie at MEPS, and going forward you should be 100% honest. I'm confident that your cardiologist will find no murmur remains. If it was a significant enough murmur, it would have impaired you to the extent that you would not be able to complete a PT test.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jul 5 at 2019 8:55 PM

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You are SCREWED. Lying at MEPS is called FRAUDULENT entitlement. And I am going to guess their is a reason you have been referred to a Cardiologist.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Lyons made Jul 6 at 2019 2:30 AM

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You are an idoit and an asshole. What happens if you are untreated and have a heart attack on the battle field. You have not only risked your life but that of you friends and battles next to you. Report the conditions you have so they can treat as needed for your condition. No part of what you are doing is help to anyone but maybe your ego to wear a uniform. Selfless service integrity and honor three that are lost in the one action you did.

Response by SPC Lucinda Gray made Jul 6 at 2019 9:57 AM

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Had a girl that I went into boot camp with in 99. We both came from Missouri & we was both going to Ft. Sill , Ok for Basic Training. It wasn’t until we got to reception, she lied about her health & told them that she had a heart murmur. Got kicked out right on the spot. Save yourself the embarrassment & don’t go any further. Let’s say that you do make it & you go to your duty station. Then it’s time for you to re-enlisted, they will find out then & you will be barred from re-enlisted. I’ve seen that happened before too. Since ur in the beginning stages , just fest up & leave. Don’t embarrass urself any further.

Response by SGT Michael Bbyrd made Jul 6 at 2019 10:24 AM

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Something like that is to risky when you do pt you could die from it. Believe me you will do a lot of pt in just basic and ait alone

Response by LTC A Plymale made Jul 6 at 2019 11:20 AM

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Now that this post is 4 months old. How did everything work out?

Response by Col Jincy Hayes made Jul 6 at 2019 1:28 PM

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I worked for the Navy Recruiting Command IG. A mother and father were planning to go see her son graduate from boot camp. While Mom and Dad were in the parking lot, their son died. He had made it all the way through training ok, but died of a cardiac event. During the investigation into the death we found out that he was never able to play sports because of his heart condition. Bottom line...you may die. Boot camp is very physical. You need to be very clear and HONEST with your recruiter and the doctors at MEPS. The young man who died also lied at MEPS and he paid for it with his life.

Response by SGT Joseph Jones made Jul 6 at 2019 1:46 PM

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First off this is the only proof they have access to that you lied. You do know what patients rights are correct? Unless you told them who your doctor is and that you go regularly they had no way of knowing until now. Why would you post this? Regardless if you knew or not if the Dr said it won’t stop you from enlisting they aren’t investigating you they are going to do a medical evaluation to see if you meet the standard. I was a recruiter for the last bit of my enlistment and the advice I’ve always heard was keep your mouth shut and don’t post on public sites. You need to delete this shit and hope no one screen shot it.

Response by PVT Leighton Bader made Jul 6 at 2019 2:03 PM

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I'd say if you can take this down now.

Response by SPC Dave Behrens made Jul 6 at 2019 5:14 PM

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I'm not going to say lying is ever "right", but I think there's a difference between lying because you want to serve and have a possible medical condition through no fault of your own and, say, maybe some actions in the past you don't want people to find out about. I know lying on your entry paperwork is grounds for discipline, possible expulsion, and against Army values, but I also know recruitment NCOs in the 80's (when I signed up) would openly say "if you put that on your paperwork you won't get in or get this MOS or that security clearance" and submit whatever you decided knowing it might be false.

Response by PO1 James White made Jul 7 at 2019 12:25 AM

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They will now.

Response by PO1 TheBee Ef A made Jul 7 at 2019 1:19 AM

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How many people lied about their age back in the day? I "lied" about how many times I smoked pot. What difference does it make if it was 2 or 20?

As far as what you lied about, I would call that inconsequential. Even if you told the recruiter, he would still push you through and get a physical done anyway. Especially since it was when you were 6 and were told you would grow out of it. I've had a doctor mention be thought he heard one when I was in high school. I never heard it mentioned again and I was in flight status for 12 years, having a physical every year. I even got diagnosed with migraines half way through and got a waiver and was still flying, even though it's supposed to be disqualifying. Just like you were told, it'll probably just be waivered and become a non-issue.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Jul 7 at 2019 5:43 AM

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So.....Coming on a public forum seemed like a good idea?

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2019 7:26 AM

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Every single one of these dweeb CSM and 1SGT fellows spouting the creed and listing values are probably lying to their doctors about all sorts of things. The truth is... If they ask you a question, answer it. If they ask you why you didnt mention it before, you forgot to mention it. MEPS isnt in the business of trying to weed people out that way. It's not as big a deal as you think. This kind of thing happens a lot.

Response by PO2 Gerry Tandberg made Jul 7 at 2019 9:43 AM

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A heart murmur is often s hole between chambers in the heart. There are a variety of heart murmur's ranging from mild to more serious. Generally, they are detected by listening to you heart beat with a stethoscope. As many as 70% of school age children have heart murmur's and eventually they closeup or go away and the symptoms dissappear. My daughter had a serious heart defect that required open heart surgery as an infant. A whole in her heart (murmur) actually was an asset in allowing oxygenated blood from her lungs to mix with the non-oxygenated blood from her body until the far more serious defect could be repaired by surgery. By the time she was eight years old the whole had closed up. I would not be concerned about a MEPS evaluation. Most kids probably would not even know they had a childhood heart murmur. If they did the military would have to discharge half of all those who serve. If your doctor can not detect a murmur, then I would not worry about it.

Response by LCDR Chris Meyer made Jul 7 at 2019 10:09 AM

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Honesty in the military, as with life, is a big deal. It’s a test of your integrity and trust to do the right thing. It could evolve into making a critical choice down the line. I understand human nature enough to recognize what passion and desire can do to influence your life. It can cause you to make bad choices. Now....if you are are called in for questioning, DO NOT make the same mistake again. Be upfront and honest. Know that the best way to learn a lesson is to make mistakes. Just don’t make that a habit; it only goes so far. If you have proven yourself to be a quaility sailor, worth keeping in the USN, your demonstrated prior choice may be overlooked. There are no guarantees. So take the course of honesty and humility from now on. Don’t take the advice of others to double down on lies and distrust. In the long run it’s just not worth it. Good luck!

Response by MSG Robert Conrad made Jul 7 at 2019 10:51 AM

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First who is "they"? The Army? Nobody has access to your preservice records except you. Under HIPPA not even the Army can request them without a signed release, which you did sign when you enlisted on the security questionnaire, but rarely does anyone ever think to use it, most people are not even aware it exists. The VA doesnt care. The only records that matter are the one of record as far as the VA is concerned. The Army is different, if you make a statement, they can use it against you. The VA cannot, by law, use a statement you make UNLESS it is in your interest to do so. It's just the way the law is written, which is another oddity concerning the VA rules. The last thing to know is that IF you were seen as a military dependent, those record ARE OF record. They can be located by the government because these exist in your military sponsors record, usually the personnel record if they separate, or retire. I am unsure what your concern is, being found out as not truthful, or that you have a serious heart condition. Congenital heart murmurs are common, and rarely indicative of a serious condition. Your integrity is another issue, that is a much greater flaw in my book.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2019 3:10 PM

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im dying at the responses lmao

Response by CAPT Michael Maselly made Jul 7 at 2019 6:17 PM

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You are fine You are not responsible for knowing whether you have a murmur or not. An echocardiogram is the deciding diagnositic test

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Jul 7 at 2019 8:52 PM

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It all depends on the severity of it. I enlisted and have a slight heart murmur. It’s so subtle most doctors don’t notice it at all. I wouldn’t stress until you have more information

Response by SFC Richard Hamel made Jul 8 at 2019 4:58 AM

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If you told a lie, then yes it could come back and hurt you. No jail, no arrests. They have (MEPS) Dr. Two options: Discharge you from the delayed entry program or requiring a medical weaver before enlisting. It was found prior to enlisting. The Dr. at the MEPS heard it (murmur). Nobody has ever been arrested or jailed for lying on the meps paper work. If anything has been found before you officially swear in to your branch of service. They can only discharge you from the delayed entry program. Dr. (MEPS) can medically flag your record for one - two years for lying or to babyish action. Rheumatic fever and murmur are waivable. Takes 6wks or less. Depends on fast you and the recruiter does the paperwork. If you are in the delayed entry program regardless which branch of service and fail to ship or report for active duty, at the MEPS you are discharged from that service DEP. Never prosecuted. In order to fall under the UCMJ you have to service one day or more on active duty. You are not officially on active duty until you step off that plane or bus at your basic thing center.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jul 8 at 2019 9:21 AM

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Yes

Response by SFC Kenneth Goins made Jul 8 at 2019 9:43 AM

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In response the question “do I think he intentionally lied to get away with something”? My reply is YES, he did intentionally lie to get away with something. He lied to the MEPS about a medical condition to attempt to join the military. It’s right there in his comments. It’s not a lie until somebody knows about it; now this entire community knows about it.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Jul 8 at 2019 11:54 AM

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I would not bet on it.

Response by SN Kristi Kalis made Jul 8 at 2019 10:15 PM

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Be honest by saying you were told you would grow out of it and thought you did. A heart murmur is not automatically disqualifying.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2019 4:51 AM

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No they won’t kiddo. Unless you’re going in for something crazy that requires them to dig into your medical history then they won’t bother really. I know a guy whose an E-6 and he came in knowing that he had a minor case of skin cancer and waited about 5-6 months after boot to bring it up. If you are not sure about continuing because of something that doesn’t matter then it’s best you find something else to do besides the military because people who are unsure at first tend to not like it.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2019 12:22 PM

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You had a heart murmur at 6. You know how hard it is to request a record that old without your permission? Especially without multiple specialty visits? They would have to find the record and the doctor. It could already be shredded based off of basic record keeping standards. MEPs is the only military entity able to mandate and request records in a forceful manner that can affect your service. Admit nothing, give nothing back. They wouldn't do anything else to you. There are plenty of benign heart murmurs out there. Don't worry about it.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Jul 9 at 2019 7:17 PM

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Honesty is the best policy. You will hear that a lot in the army. You could be charged with fraudulent enlistment but that is up to the powers that be. I wish you well and hope you get in. Going forward always do the hard right over the easy wrong.

Response by Sgt Stephen Ingram made Jul 9 at 2019 11:43 PM

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I remember when I was in your position. I was losing my mind thinking that meps was gonna turn me away for having some kind of condition. Let me tell you, you're probably over thinking it. Obviously, you'll have to see what the cardiologist says but as far as them digging into your medical records, and possibly coming after you for lying, not likely, imo. If the doctor says so, you'll probably be fine. I may or may not have left out some details when I went in and needless to say, there were no issues. And also, yeah this is a public website, but I dont think anyone is actively scouring the internet, searching for applicants who have falsified information lol.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2019 11:22 AM

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Honestly man heres what I can say. Everyone has lied about something somewhere to get in. My old Marine recruiter use to say, “if you ain’t lying, then your not trying.” Whether or not thats the best answer or the most moral is up to each person. The best thing to do is make your own choice and be able to live with the consequences of both good and bad. Now MEPS can only look into what you give them. If you say you have something then it will go back on you to provide paperwork. If you say you don't, then there is nothing that they can do because of HIPA (might not have spelled the acronym right). That protects you from having someone divulge your medical history unless you sign a form releasing that right to a specific person or organization. Usually when you go to a new doctor out in town they will have you sign that so they can import your medical file from your old treatment facility.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2019 11:46 AM

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Honesty is your best friend big dawg. You aren’t the judge if you can be in the military. You are the judge if you want to be in the military. Lying is a snowball. It will build. Do you know about fraudulent enlistment? When I was joining my recruiter wanted me to lie about certain circumstances. I didn’t. The guy reviewing things deemed my honesty worthy of the army values and decided to turn a blind eye. He said “you clearly learned from your past. You reprimanded your mistake. You paid the consequences and moved on. I believe you will make a fine soldier if you continue this path. Now go out there and prove it also don’t make me lose my job... private (saying this as to assure me I’m no longer civilian but a soldier now).” Now imagine this circumstance. You’re doing a 20 mile movement overseas . Your heart murmur causes complications and this ruck March is killing you, you feel faint, you can’t go on, it’s not you giving up its your body failing you. Everyone else is suffering equally but they’re still moving on. Now you’re letting your future friends, soldiers, battle buddies down. Because you now require a MEDEVAC. Now you have compromised the mission. Now everyone else has to bear your burden and suffer more because YOU FUCKING LIED. There is a reason the military does not let certain individuals in. You’re not special especially in the military. The only thing special is accomplishment of the mission. After that is complete is when you can feel accomplished.

Let the doctors judge if you can serve. They have degrees and they have guidelines to follow. It is different if you didn’t know but people advising you to play dumb is inherently wrong. That is an act of commission not even omission. You’re not failing to do a good thing. You’re purposely doing the wrong.

Everything about this scenario is violating the army values. Specifically integrity which is in my opinion the most important one. It drives the other army values. Of course that same statement could be made from other points of view in other army values but that’s besides the point. I gave you my advice now do as you wish

Response by SGT Don Harper made Jul 10 at 2019 12:14 PM

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Take it from a Army Veteran of The 101st, they will find out! You need to tell them and they probably will say that you are a no-go and you could be charged for lieing to Federal Officials and Documents. You are playing a risky game and you will lose.

Response by Steven Rolseth made Jul 10 at 2019 3:17 PM

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You were six

Response by SFC Kevin Bradley made Jul 10 at 2019 4:05 PM

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Young man, you need to fess up as mentioned previously. You want nothing to do with a life that is built on lies, even small ones. Honor and integrity dictate you tell the truth.

Response by PO2 David Hawthorne made Jul 10 at 2019 4:10 PM

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Just move forward. Your doctor told you not a big deal. You made a mistake and if their are consequences they you will have to face them, such is life. I understand wanting something to serve and bending the rules to try. Was what you did wrong possibly was it for the right reasons maybe, time will tell. You should live your life with integrity and points made by all here are good. Truth is everyone makes mistakes but it’s how you learn from them and move forward that matters most. Learn that integrity matters. Best of luck

Response by LCpl Steve Zupan made Jul 10 at 2019 8:56 PM

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Relax.... Just breathe!

Response by SR Robert Scheinost made Jul 10 at 2019 9:14 PM

2019-07-10T21:14:11-04:00

Congratulations! You lied. Wait until you are accepted for enlistment and you will hear more lies than you can possibility imagine

Response by PFC Flor Gomez made Jul 10 at 2019 10:23 PM

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This is just too funny. At six yrs old hu, I'd say the doc's prognosis was good enough to cover you whether you forgot or didn't.Youbgot good character you need to hold on to that and don't second guess yourself.

Response by Sgt Eoin Stewart made Jul 11 at 2019 10:32 AM

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Not to be a downer but making a false official statement is a serious offense. I’d keep these type of matters off a public forum.

Response by Steven Rolseth made Jul 11 at 2019 1:39 PM

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Smh. You’re so close minded and can’t see the bigger picture. The overweight soldiers are more of a health risk than someone with a potential heart issue. At the very least the guy can pass a PT test. Obesity in the military should be your number one concern.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Jul 11 at 2019 10:59 PM

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Mr. Kellen, no person can be held to account what they were told or what they claim to have understood at 6 years old, nor should MEPS examiners and medical officials accept or rely solely on medical documents from when you were 6 years old. The cardiologist you will visit soon will determine your true condition as it exists today, and if you are found fit for duty, you will be allowed to continue with your enlistment process. In the future, it is best to state "I don't know" if a question pertains to something from your childhood in relation to your health and just allow medical personnel to examine you to get a better assessment of your health status and readiness today. Best of luck in your career! As for those who might cast stones at you over this, I would remind them that many young men during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea and even Vietnam lied about the ages, health, and a few even lied about their gender just to able to serve their country and wear our nation's uniform - and there isn't a person on here or anywhere in the military that hasn't lied before. There is nothing shameful about wanting to serve - but once you're in, you will find that most of us to live by a code - so honor that code with those you serve with... someday people will entrust you with their lives as this nation will trust you with defending her.

Response by SPC Joel Costenbader made Jul 12 at 2019 8:46 AM

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Jackass!

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Jul 12 at 2019 9:04 AM

2019-07-12T09:04:22-04:00

Saw the date after posting wonder what happened, reading following posts to see
================================================================Personally I wouldn't worry much about it. A possible health condition at age 6? Whether or not you had one then, since they are going to run new tests by a cardiologist to determine your eligibility , so such ancient stuff doesn't matter.

Oh and if you get in, consider this a lesson about lying , and remember the paperwork when and after you swear in will be official and you could be held accountable for any new misrepresentations/omissions/actions during service

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2019 4:34 PM

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Medical records are protected by a law called HIPPA not even the military is allowed to breach and this is a public forum so be aware you may have fucked yourself. It’s not uncommon for people to lie at meps I’ve worked with medics with tourrets.

Response by COL John Hudson made Jul 13 at 2019 8:48 AM

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I passed a "Pre-qualification Test" for Army Flight School in 1966 that guaranteed I would to attend. During a Class-1 Flight Physical at BCT, Ft. Lewis, Washington, medical staff found I had a heart murmur. The Army Major Physician told me it would disqualify me for flight school. I was crushed at that statement...my entire one and only desire destroyed it seemed. I looked that Doctor straight in the eyes and told him there were never any heart issues anywhere in my family, that I was in excellent physical condition (unquestioned) and had only one goal which led me to the Army - Flight School under their new Helicopter Pilot program. If he was going to cancel my candidacy for that goal based on a simple test, then I had no desire to even be in the Army and he could assign me anywhere he wanted. I would do my 2 or 3 years and get out. He saw my desire and motivation. After a few moments of reflection, he stated, "Well, it's only a slight murmur. I'm sure you'll grow out of it soon enough." He then approved my Class-1. That act of compassion saw me contributing thirty (30) years of my life to military service holding rank from E-1 all the way to Colonel (with NO heart issues!). No, it's never a good idea to intentionally cover up something like that...but I don't believe it would be to far from the truth to simply state you were told it would go away and you thought it had. That said, you'll have to accept the consequences of any decision made for your position in the military. Good Luck. John

Response by PVT Genius H Kennard made Jul 13 at 2019 3:35 PM

2019-07-13T15:35:03-04:00

I guess all me and you had to do was become criminals and a judge would've made us choose one or the other (PRISON OR MILITARY) like a judge sent a bank robber that I know to the military, I cheated on the ASVAB test with the same answers 3 times to go to the Air force only to be pressured into going to the Army, long story short I played CRAZY in order to get out because I just don't and won't ever fight over OIL like in 1990 [you are good to go] because if their military doctor missed what you have then he must've gotten his license coming from the streets like a Compensation & Pension quack doctor blamed my bilateral foot condition on my SHOES Ha ha ha yeah! they fired him.
Heart murmurs have nothing to do with your ability to fight for this country!

Response by SN Walt Boyer made Jul 13 at 2019 5:48 PM

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The best thing to do is own it. It may not even be a big issue, but if you own it now, you will prevent it from becoming an issue at all.

Response by Cpl Kwasia Cameron made Jul 14 at 2019 11:27 AM

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I speak from personal experience. I dated a guy while I was at MOS school who had a heart murmur. I didn’t know about it (we had just started dating). But I do remember getting my orders when I graduated. Went to Iwakuni, JP. Hadn’t heard from the guy since I had left. After being there for about 6 months, I get a random call from him. Turns out he was in the brig because he had passed out one day at PT and come to find out he had lied at MEPS about it. They sent him to the brig and gave him a dishonorable discharge because of it. Bottom line: tell the truth. The military will ALWAYS find out. Stuff like that, you can’t hide. Plus, you’re an adult now, there’s no such thing as a little white lie. You either tell the truth or you lie. Tell the truth. There’s nothing that can come back on you when ish hits the fan.

Response by MAJ B. Law made Jul 15 at 2019 1:32 PM

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John Kellen....do you realize that you are admitting to defrauding the government on a public social media site??? I highly suggest you rethink the question that you are asking and keep your comments to yourself!!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 20 at 2019 1:57 AM

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You should never lie, regardless of what others think. That’s personal courage, own it. To help you in this, you’ve already admitted it in here

Response by SFC Luis Serrano made Jul 20 at 2019 6:27 PM

2019-07-20T18:27:58-04:00

If this is true and not a hypothetical question, you need to seek legal advice, and not at the JAG. You are either a smartass or as dumb as a rock.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2019 9:37 PM

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As a chaplain I get questions like this every once in a while. I was hoping for a solid answer myself from someone on here. Personally, the military is so big that no one is even looking for this. But in reality if medical checked for it, they found it, but the cardiologist is okay with it, than you are good. Your medical history kinda sorta doesn't matter at this point because they already know. Just my 2 cents.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2019 12:05 AM

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I would come clean to your recruiter and ask for amnesty!

Response by SGT Frank Vega made Aug 21 at 2019 1:01 AM

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It's not your medical condition that's the problem it's the lying. I agree place innocent and keep your fingers crossed. A prayer would help.

Response by SGT Jd Cox made Aug 21 at 2019 5:31 PM

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I guess I'm confused where you lied. From what I understand you told them that you were diagnosed with a heart murmur when you were six and that you would grow out of it. You didn't, and they found it. Is that correct? Most heart murmurs are nothing to worry about and I are classified as an abnormal heart sound. It's like you're on the verge of having a cardiac arrest. Really a civilian cardiologist has very little to say what the military will or will not do. It's really based on the military doctor making the evaluation.

Response by LTC James McElreath made Aug 22 at 2019 2:16 AM

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Why do you suppose the MEPPS didn't catch the problem that you are not sure about. Now that said, this organization does have a very dedicated group of people that might look at your writing and take it for granted you in fact lied and signed documents stating you were at a certain level of health. The days of blaming it on the Recruiter are long gone. They are not giving up their career for you and if it ever came into question that recruiter won't possibly know or remember you having a problem. Now that being said, all you have is your word and honor while growing as yourself and as an honest soldier. If you lie it can come back and haunt you! You do not have to remember how and what you said to cover things up. There is no thing to do but tell the truth when asked a question. If you do have question just tell the truth. Good luck and take care.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2019 9:29 AM

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You understand you will have several physicals over the course of your enlistment, yes? Docs will go through (or should go through) your medical history at every appointment. If you have cardiac trouble down the line, your entire medical history will be reviewed, especially the one at MEPS. That said, there is what your doc told you at 6 years old—and then there is what is documented in your medical record. If you have questions or doubts, get a copy of your medical record and review it with your doc/nurse practitioner/physicians assistant and have them explain to you in plain language what it means. Go back to your recruiter and provide further explanation.

Response by SPC Gareth Mannion made Aug 22 at 2019 3:56 PM

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I work at MEPS

Response by SN Donald Hoffman made Aug 22 at 2019 4:28 PM

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Stick with the truth. Has it effected your ability to run or walk with speed or duration? If not, then no worries. If it has, then worry.

Response by PO2 Christopher A. made Aug 22 at 2019 5:20 PM

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Leavenworth ain’t so bad.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2019 7:34 PM

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You probably should have contacted one of us privately about this. If they ask you a direct question about it, then give them an honest direct answer. We need troops right now, preferably honest ones that will own up to a mistake. But do not volunteer any of that past info unless they ask you a direct question about lying.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2019 1:31 AM

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Honesty probably won't even make it through basic with all the running that you do and depending on your job you wouldn't last either I would bring it up to someone all your gonna do is take up a space that someone could be benefit from by joining. I applaud you for wanting to do something thou its noble

Response by CPL D Malone made Aug 23 at 2019 10:35 AM

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As someone who is familiar with background investigations. It's never a good idea to lie. Lying says a lot about a person's character and integrity. It's not that during an investigation we will just look into a persons medical record. The only time that would occur is if a particular issue arose. The other thing to consider is the fact that no matter what you did, which could be anything small from lying about a medical condition to murder, there is always someone, somewhere who knows what you did, and their is a high probability that we will find that person. With that said, it's best just to be honest about your medical condition. You might be able to obtain a waiver. Never lie though... I've seen multiple cases of recruiter issues as well. We are catching them doing dumb things just so they can boost their recruits. It's completely ridiculous. It's not any one thing in your life that will keep you from getting the position you want. What we look at is the entire person concept, where were you then vs where are you know. Was the incident something that was isolated or not. Either way, the best policy is to ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING!!! Good luck...

Response by TSgt Gary Garvin made Aug 23 at 2019 11:15 AM

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No worries

Response by CPL William Knight made Aug 23 at 2019 1:20 PM

2019-08-23T13:20:07-04:00

They will now.

Response by PO3 Roland Tucker made Aug 23 at 2019 10:39 PM

2019-08-23T22:39:28-04:00

You're on that bus by yourself pally!

Response by PO3 Roland Tucker made Aug 24 at 2019 4:45 AM

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Here's a slice of advice for you- in the military it pays to be smart- act dumb. But definitelyy not as dumb as posting something like that on a public website. If you don't get it and are charged with lying or misrepresentation, its all on you paisano! Maybe you should get your head checked too!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2019 8:22 AM

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When do you ship to Basic?

Response by Capt Dennis Tague made Aug 24 at 2019 2:45 PM

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If the MEPS examiner didn't find it, why are you going to a cardiologist for further evaluation?

Response by SSgt Michael Yester made Aug 24 at 2019 3:09 PM

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I mentioned to my recruiter that my doctor heard a heart murmur when I was really young and that it only occurred once. Later on at my first base, they had a doctor check me out. He did some tests and told me that I don't have to bring up the murmer again as I don't have one.

I think bringing it up late is better than not bringing it up at all. If you don't get accepted, it was likely better for you and your health.

Response by PFC Brendan Carr made Aug 24 at 2019 5:38 PM

2019-08-24T17:38:03-04:00

Integrity is one of the 7 Army Values. HOOAH lol

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2019 8:22 PM

2019-08-24T20:22:17-04:00

I'm just trying to figure out how you passed the ASVAB. THIS IS A PUBLIC SITE. Go tell your Recruiter and get a waiver. There is a process. You just put, well, all of us in a precarious position. Please do not join, you cannot be trusted.

Response by SSgt Jim Young made Aug 24 at 2019 10:51 PM

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No problem. They will just list you as a Democrat. Smile.

Response by PO3 Timothy Aldrich made Aug 25 at 2019 10:58 AM

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You should be fine. You will get a full physical when you get to boot camp

Response by MAJ Thomas Person made Aug 25 at 2019 12:31 PM

2019-08-25T12:31:30-04:00

well...hopefully no none of the surgeons reads this article and recognizes your name. :-) Need to work on your counter intel or maybe you have "john" or is it Hugh G. Rection?
Naw... don't worry. They want people who are not snivelers. On the other hand what if you have a heart attack after a six hour 24 mile force march? Then you become a ward of the nation. let it go brother...

Response by SPC Kennith Wheeler made Aug 25 at 2019 1:48 PM

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The bigger issue here is that you admit that you lied about it using a public forum. Why wouldn’t you tell them about it up front and just let them run you through the tests to see if you are physically capable. The military is not just about you and what you want. It’s about being a part of a team.

Response by MSG Randy Rucker made Aug 25 at 2019 9:47 PM

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BS... "You were told" by whom? A medical doctor or your mother or aunt? You see an x-ray? How do you know. A real doctor at MEPS said you were ok, I trust docors, your aunt with a high school diploma? Not so much.

Response by CPL James S. made Aug 26 at 2019 12:16 AM

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well, let us break this down:

1- you are admitting on a public access site full of *veterans* that you lied at MEPS, which is not only punishable under the UCMJ (article 107 if I remember correctly), but it's also punishable under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001 )

2- It doesn't matter what "A bunch of others" told you. It is entirely possible that they will look back at your records, especially if you're diagnosed with a problem related to the murmur in the near future (especially if this is in your first term).

3- the diagnosis of anything that can be related will likely not be covered by the VA once you get out (if they let you stay in, that is). Its called a preexisting condition and you've admitted, publicly, to the knowledge of the condition, and the US gov't can, therefore, dismiss any claims you have in the future unless you can demonstrate a causal link from the military that invalidates the preexisting condition as a cause.

4- regardless of your future status in the military, you will eventually be tasked with relying on others to accomplish a task and possibly even leading them. Trust is a big issue in those situations. Do you want your six being covered by someone who intentionally lied just to get something they wanted? Seriously consider that one and make your decision accordingly.

18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

Based on title 18, U.S.C., 1940 ed., §80 (Mar. 4, 1909, ch. 321, §35, 35 Stat. 1095; Oct. 23, 1918, ch. 194, 40 Stat. 1015; June 18, 1934, ch. 587, 48 Stat. 996; Apr. 4, 1938, ch. 69, 52 Stat. 197).

Response by PVT Mac Bowerman made Aug 26 at 2019 1:30 AM

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Just roll with it. We had a guy make it all the way to the first live fire exercises, EITH PARKINSONS before he got the boot. Heart murmers aren't rare, you should be good to go. I have chronic migraines, its in my medical records, my recruiter had me lie about them

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Aug 26 at 2019 9:34 AM

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yes, but your best bet is to say you forgot or something. They probably will kick you out and let your reaaply.

Response by SN Robbie Malone made Aug 26 at 2019 10:20 AM

2019-08-26T10:20:16-04:00

If MEPS knew how can they go back on your medical record and if the doctor said you were qualified I'm assuming, i guess I am confused.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 26 at 2019 1:31 PM

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Why the hell would you lie? No matter what branch, truth and integrity are core values. So man up. Tell them the truth. If you are already past MEPs and through boot/basic, then go to the JAG office.

But really. What the actual hell?

Response by Brad Powers made Aug 26 at 2019 10:22 PM

2019-08-26T22:22:09-04:00

Having people tell you that you are incapapble of something is hard to take i know and truly believe the only person that can limit ones potential is themself. If you know that you have the ability as well as the desire to serve the U.S. Military and only if you know then do not give up, find a good doctor and just be honest. It is not just about you getting acceptance but also about your health and ability to stay alive, you would not want to hide something like this from a career in the U.S. Military. Good Luck.

Response by Rita Corpier-Weiss made Aug 26 at 2019 11:28 PM

2019-08-26T23:28:32-04:00

As a military wife, and military mom of two I am still dismayed that the military would and could actually hold a soldier or airman accountable for having complete and full knowledge of their early childhood ailments. I respect that you want to be transparent and honest and believe it an honest mistake/oversight. Hope it turned out well for you. Good luck!

Response by CH (MAJ) Thomas Conner made Aug 27 at 2019 11:44 AM

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My first duty station as a chaplain was at Fort Jackson, a Basic Training unit. Every cycle I had Soldiers come to tell me about lying at MEPS. Some of the lies were minor and probably would have no impact on their training, some potentially life threatening. I always encouraged Soldiers to come clean and allow the medical branch decide if it prevented further service or not. The stress and strain Soldiers are put through in Basic challenges even healthy men and women with no previous injury or illness. Be honest and tell the cardiologist you have a history of a heart murmur and trust his or her expertise, it could save your life!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2019 12:01 PM

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As an IG once I found a fraudulent enlistment after the Soldiers 16 years of service. They didn't make it to 17.

Response by CWO3 Jim Grindstaff made Aug 27 at 2019 3:07 PM

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Maybe you should look outside of the military for a career. Do you really think posting this on social media is anything other than a lame attempt to garner attention and to try to elicit sympathy?

Response by SPC John Cardwell made Aug 27 at 2019 7:37 PM

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Recruiters lied to you, I'm sure. It's all good. I would try and get a RASP contract (option 41) and lie a bunch to the cadre. Lying is their favorite thing.

Response by SPC John Cardwell made Aug 27 at 2019 7:38 PM

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Just don't be a pussy and fall out of PT because your heart gave out

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2019 11:24 PM

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You wont have to PLAY dumb. Lying on an official document or to a government agent is a dismissable offense. If, like some others have said, you were not aware of the condition it could be overlooked. However, since you knew and said nothing, it is a lie by omission. My niece's now husband failed to disclose that he had taken ADD meds as a kid. The Air Force threw him out of "A" School with an Erroneous Enlistment. That's the best you can hope for. Oh, and BTW, that Dr doesnt make the decision if you stay or not. You have proven you are a liar and, therefore, should not be trusted with any information of any importance. The military doesnt need another Brad Manning.

Response by PO1 Michael Bruner made Aug 28 at 2019 4:37 PM

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All this time, you're worried about your physical health. Right now, I'm a little concerned about whether or not you passed the ASVAB. Because you're not very bright if you're posting this on a VERY public site.

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made Aug 29 at 2019 9:09 AM

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I didn't find out I had a heart murmur until I was pregnant with my 4th child. Military won't do anything about it and don't care. I served 2 enlistments, passed every test and was told it was a non-issue. My face goes numb when I run though and I can't seem to get enough oxygen, but a cardiologist said it wasn't a real threat until I was much older, like 90. lol

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 3:45 PM

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we all lied and if you say you didn't then you're lying. The only people who probably didn't is officers because college helped them get in.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2019 6:01 PM

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You should have asked your legal office instead of an internet chat.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 30 at 2019 2:28 PM

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Had a guy in my flight in USAF basic who lied about a heart condition at MEPS. Dude died of a massive heart attack during morning PT about 2 weeks in.

Response by SSG Shauna Holmes made Sep 3 at 2019 11:04 AM

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A heart murmur isn't a major medical issue. I had one and didn't know the middle of my career.
But I would advise all who want to join to PLEASE notify of any medical issues. My OSUT unit almost got investigated when one private died after a PT test. The initial report was heat stroke (which would have cause us all to lose our badges and the CO a commission) but later we found out he had a heart defect. THEN we ended up with a certified clinical schizophrenic who we put out by white phase.
Let military doctors decide, it's their job to screen.

Response by SPC Dennis Baber made Sep 5 at 2019 9:43 AM

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Play dumb, we are still covered by pre-existing conditions.

Response by SGT David Petree made Sep 5 at 2019 12:15 PM

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GO to the Doc. find OUT how bad it is, or isn't . then go from there . you my get a GO for enlistment . not knowing could be worst in the long run . I don`t recommend a faze 3 fiscal that is dangers !!! my option . been there done that. go see the Doc.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2019 1:56 PM

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I committed multiple felonies and then lied about it at MEPS. I'm posting this on a public website asking random strangers for legal advice. Can anyone hook me up?

Response by MGySgt Andre Hunter made Sep 5 at 2019 7:03 PM

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Remember. and take note - God knows, (Revelation 21:8) "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all [liars], shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Honor God, at all times - it doesn't matter if you're playing dumb, you are still accountable ! And medical concerns or problems big or small, have a way of showing up and coming back that even playing dumb won't be an excuse.

Especially, during this day and time with the back ground personal research. Being truthful and honest is always best.

Semper Fidelis !

Response by LTC James McElreath made Sep 5 at 2019 10:42 PM

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It sounds like Meps apparently caught your omission. You are going to be checked by doctor in ref to your Heart. The Army is going to ck out your problem, evaluate their findings. They will decide if you are in or out of the service. The Meps station are very through, because people fail to report a problem, thinking they will sneak in under the wire. I would not listen to a bunch of new privates! The NCO,s working at Meps would not cover for you. They are good at their job and they are not stupid. They caught you heart issue without you telling them anything!!
Now this is probably put to rest! There is nothing worth more than a persons word. The military have no need for a person that can not be trusted. Things are so much better when you do not lye.

Response by SPC Thomas Smith made Sep 8 at 2019 1:56 PM

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To be honest with you, you should have told the truth but getting on here and telling everyone was not smart. This site as you can see is more than just retired or former military. Active duty and recruiters can and I am sure read this also. Maybe you should go back tell the truth and explain your desire to serve your country and plead for forgiveness and go from there. If you enter under that lie than you are subject to ucmj for sure.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Sep 14 at 2019 9:39 AM

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I realize that in the whole history of the American military, there have been people that "lied" or failed to disclose a medical condition. Some made it through their military service. Others, however, end up having a medical emergency that, these days, bounces them out with discharges that make them ineligible for VA medical care.

Sooo, how many times do you call that STUPID! At some point it may come back to haunt you and the outcome could be as serious as a fraudulent enlistment.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Sep 14 at 2019 9:51 AM

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I realize that there have been lots of people over the history of the American military who have lied about a medical condition or failed to disclose something upon entry into the military. Some completed their tours, others served heroically with great honor. Others, however, end up having medical emergencies at some point that cause them to be bounced out of the military with uncharacterized discharges or fraudulent enlistments. That means under the current laws and rules related to veteran's status, you could be barred from VA care and now have a potential black mark when seeking employment.

Sooo….that decision/choice was pretty stupid. You may have even gotten your recruiter in trouble. You may even be ineligible for any other military service because your records will be flagged.

Joining the military means serving with honor and integrity. Not a lot of integrity in your choice. You had better correct your decision and make ready for the consequences.

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Sep 15 at 2019 1:53 PM

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So you are saying you know what was in your medical records at age six. How did your parents tell you? I don't know Jack about my medical records before highschool. However you did and now you admitted to lying on federal government paperwork on social media. I wouldn't hang my hat on getting into the service.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2019 6:47 PM

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Good things there's no recruiters on this forum....lol

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Sep 27 at 2019 10:52 PM

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in the world today the truth can help or it can hurt you, do the RIGHT THING.???

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2019 11:01 PM

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No. Lol everybody lies at MEPS whether it’s a small lie or big lie. Don’t listen to the assholes on this post. You’ll be okay.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2019 6:36 PM

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They will now. Lol

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2019 8:29 PM

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Dude, a simple Doctor's note can clear that if you're in good health, but blowing your own whistle here on a public site is a No Go. Especially before you even know what your current status is. Take a deep breath and relax, you won't go to Leavenworth for this one. I'm sure you're fine if you already passed Basic and AIT

Response by PO3 Terri Marini made Sep 28 at 2019 10:07 PM

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Ehh that would probably be something you wont be able to go in with. There was something I “omitted” going in and at Meps they figured it out but it wasn't a deciding factor. I had migraines before I went in but things I was exposed to made it worse so I get compensation for service connection. Your recruiter will tel you to lie and lie but that medical issue isnt something to omitt because if you are out in the field and something happens they will not have the medical equipment to help you if something went wrong. Some places will medi-vac people if it is an emergency. But they can give you dishonorable discharge will can affect getting a job on the civilian side

Response by SPC Jodi Harbroe made Sep 29 at 2019 3:34 AM

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You will not be the first! It as not until I joined the military that I learned there are so many liars in the world. During basic training 7 girls out of 33 were discharged for lying about medical conditions, during AIT another 3 were discharged. Many of these girls parents put them up to this because they thought they could get access to free healthcare. This was during Vietnam. Today things are changing. Please read my book, “Purpose Driven Thieves” that is a comparative analysis of the US method of buying health insurance vs. the UK method of buying healthcare. I hold dual citizenship between the US & UK. Many books have been written on this topic but my book is the only one that includes ‘costs’ and for decades Congress claims they would not touch this topic because they did not know how much it cost but in 2016 I gave Congress a free copy of my book. My book also offers a solution to prescription drug pricing. You probably will not get into the military but you can download a copy of my book from any online book sales such as Google or Amazon and after you read it you can contact your Congressman and ask them to vote for national healthcare and if they do not vote for it you can vote against them in 2020.

Response by SFC Larry Triplett made Sep 29 at 2019 9:38 AM

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I had a heart murmur and meps still let join the Army

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Sep 29 at 2019 11:12 AM

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The chances of anyone searching your pre-enlistment medical records is astronomical. What is more likely will be you having to get paperwork from your current health care provider saying you are not being treated for anything.
However, if you do not disclose this and something happens medically to you down the road you could find yourself in a terrible jam. I recommend full disclosure. If it disqualifies you find another way to serve.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2019 2:29 PM

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You should be ashamed that you lied...

Response by SFC Joseph Turner made Sep 29 at 2019 3:53 PM

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By not telling the truth should disqualify you from serving.

Response by SFC(P) Richard Warren made Sep 29 at 2019 5:17 PM

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In short, yes, they can. You could get an entry-level discharge for fraudulent enlistment.

Also, if they weren't going to look. You can guarantee they will now. You have CSMs, LTC's, and who knows who else on this site. If one of them doesn't let the recruiting command know, then you can rest assured knowing that I will.

Response by SSG Rick Reeder made Sep 29 at 2019 8:06 PM

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Very possible and then they may send you home.

Response by Maj Catalina Lin made Sep 29 at 2019 9:41 PM

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Better come clean. Your recruiter wouldn’t care but it needs to be known. They will find out if you lied and you will get kicked out as a fraud if you don’t disclose.

Response by SPC Kaylee Nguyen made Sep 30 at 2019 2:57 AM

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Everyone saying they can’t access your medical records because you need to consent: let me tell you this, you signed a consent form to allow MEPS access to all your medical records prior to your arrival at the MEPS for your physical examination.

Also, the military is in need of more bodies so most things are not waiverable unless it’s life threatening to you or causes danger to those around.

90% of non disclosures discovered at the MEPS are found in medical records that were submitted after the fact. Those who make it to training, the attrition rate is about 1/3 due to non disclosures.

I’ll leave this information with you and let you decide what to do with it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2019 12:21 PM

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Well now that you posted on a public site you better confess up. Will they let you in I don't think so it so.

Response by CMSgt Lloyd French made Oct 1 at 2019 4:46 AM

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A premeditated lie (and not just forgetfulness) says something about your character. It doesn't matter what "a bunch of others" tell you to do, what matters is that you make this RIGHT...regardless of the consequences. THAT will say more about your character than anything...this question says a lot about how guilty you're feeling.

Response by SPC Dale Peer made Oct 1 at 2019 9:18 AM

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Now that you have posted it in a public forum? Who knows.....

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 1 at 2019 4:32 PM

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Always press

Response by CPO William Cornett made Oct 2 at 2019 8:22 PM

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You should not have a problem playing "DUMB"!

Response by CPO Albert Kennison made Oct 2 at 2019 8:58 PM

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One thing I would like to say to you. I work with the soldiers at Ft. Polk in the training area on monthly rotation, and watching the strenuous training that they go through, I would advise you to make sure this is what you would want to put your heart through. Make damn sure before you put yourself in a position that might kill you. GOOD LUCK.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2019 4:08 PM

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One thing is for sure: the public education system doesn't teach proper grammar anymore. Punctuation. Ever hear of it?

Response by CAPT Jim Murphy made Oct 9 at 2019 1:55 PM

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They will now.

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Oct 9 at 2019 6:48 PM

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I was also detected with a murmur at about that age. The pediatrician assured my parents that it was minor, saying I "could live to be 100 with it". It was so slight that some MDs could hear it and others could not. I THINK I mentioned it for my physical, but chances are if I did, it went unheard. I recall a military exam where I did mention it to the Doctor, but he said he could not hear it.
At any rate, I got through boot camp (and a total of 29 years Reserve service, as well as over 75 years of civilian life without any trouble from it). In recent years, that murmur got louder. AND --- a few months ago it went from "noticeable" to "something has to be done".
I am now 3 weeks off the operating table. Open heart surgery -- double bypass and aortic valve replacement.
Please be assured that if you don't "outgrow it", there's both animal and artificial valves to replace a heart valve that isn't working right.

Response by PO1 Steve R made Oct 10 at 2019 10:01 AM

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If you are in the MEPS process, which it sounds like you are, anything prior to the oath of enlistment isn't punishable. The MEPS doctor simply wants to determine the severity of the murmur so that you are not put at an unnecessary risk. Having worked at MEPS in-processing, I can tell you that 'lying' is more to the degree of your intent. You knew you had a murmur when you were six, but if it had not been an issue for you and you thought you probably outgrew it, that 'lie' isn't an issue. Since the MEPS medical officer discovered it and is having you see a cardiologist, their motivation is to get a specialist to determine the risk conditions so they can determine if the military environment is in your best interest. Just be honest, cooperative, and transparent in the process. They want you in as much as you want in, but they are not going to knowingly put you at risk.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Oct 10 at 2019 10:29 AM

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Integrity will hurt you

Response by LTC Gary Earls made Oct 10 at 2019 1:51 PM

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I was diagnosed with a heart murmur after I got out of high school. Our family doctor told me that I could do anything I wanted to do. Started playing tennis with friends. Went to my draft physical in 1966 and told the Army doctor that I had a heart murmur. He listened and said "yes, you do" and marked me "1A". It showed up on every flight physical and no one said anything. Retired after 28 years of service. Still have the murmur and see my cardiologist once a year. :-)

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2019 11:56 AM

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Admit you didn't mention it ... a murmur can be a benign, non-issue. Many folks grow out of them and never really know they are there. Then, let the docs figure it out. They may elect to do a more comprehensive cardiac workup.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2019 7:12 AM

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Dude, your fine. Army is a fucking joke, no ones going to bother to look that hard, don’t listen to all the high officers and them giving the typical BS. Biggest risk is to yourself. If you got a heart murmur and go to basic you could have a heart attack or something. Run the risk yourself. But otherwise you’re fine, don’t sweat it at all. You’ll see for yourself eventually. (The CSM “you won’t live the Army values” made me laugh. Army values are some propaganda bullshit for the public cause we suck ass that much).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2019 7:26 AM

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The bluf is can you physically do what is required? Lots of jobs in the military don't require combat (should be able to) though.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2019 7:37 AM

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RallyPoint following..35M and 35F always watches and gathers. "Always Watching".

That being said, be mindful of what you lay on public media

Response by SGT Lawrence Frank made Nov 8 at 2019 8:59 AM

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I lied about Athsma, flat feet/ arch supports, broken bones, drug use. I was 27 years old. I would lie about it all over again. Keep your mouth shut and do great things.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 8 at 2019 3:41 PM

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I don't know if it's any different in the Army, but I know several who have been pulled out of basic training for issues that were discovered in their medical record while they were in training. One got booted for a back injury he had and lied about it during the entrance exams. Another had an eye condition that they found on their record and pulled them out after several weeks of training. I'd say talk to your recruiter and be honest. Integrity can go a long way.

Response by CPL Tonya Willis made Nov 8 at 2019 4:31 PM

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This isn’t John... this person clearly hacked his account!

Response by SSgt Kevin Hopkins made Nov 8 at 2019 4:32 PM

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how dumb can you get?

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Nov 8 at 2019 8:39 PM

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They will take away your birthday. You should be ashamed of yourself. Go to confession as soon as possible. Do this even if you are not catholic. Tell your mommy and daddy that you have been really really bad.

Response by SGT Pappa Russ Scarvelli made Nov 8 at 2019 9:02 PM

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Is there a possibility that John Kellen did not author this post?
In other words was he hacked?

Response by SN Frank Maniscalco made Nov 9 at 2019 12:21 PM

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Note,by law, your not accountable for any medical assesment done,or told to you as a minor... period.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2019 12:24 PM

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Well, YOU stated at the beginning of YOUR post that YOU LIED. I highly recommend that you evaluate yourself with a doctor and let him decide if you are suited for the military rigors. Also, remember that we live by a set of values named The Army Values....

Response by SFC Marc Waters made Nov 9 at 2019 12:54 PM

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They could possibly look at your records a see it in there. Doesn't matter if you lied the Heart murmur could be a disqualifer and bab tou from service. If they determine you with held information that too is a disqualifer and your screwed. If you would've told the truth a waiver could've been requested and the surgeon would approve or disapprove.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2019 3:13 PM

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Opsec thanks you

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Nov 9 at 2019 7:23 PM

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Better off face the truth and remain a civilian and Try hiding a lie when you are in basic and can't maintain standards and fulfill your obligations. Serve Honorably

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Nov 10 at 2019 2:46 PM

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Well, there is a moral issue here. The question do you perpetuate the lie or fess up and tell them what happened? This is a decision only you can make and live with.

Response by SPC Russ Bolton made Nov 10 at 2019 7:21 PM

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Can anyone that can communicate to the Col. To see if this can be removed

Response by CPT Edward Barr made Nov 10 at 2019 9:54 PM

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Most "mild" heart murmurs are benign, and cause no detrimental effects. They do not get worse with exertion. Later in life, they may get worse with weakening, or at any age, from illness.
In relation yo your post:
You have been taking a lot of heat, and scare tactics, on here. I am going to go out on a limb, and say you don't deserve it. Your post, leads me to believe you are young, inexperienced, and a bit naive. I don't say this as an insult, but just a fact of life. Young people make mistakes. I do not condone lying at anytime. However; modern society, and the modern Military, have drastically regressed in developing leaders and initiative. It used to be; if you messed up, you got back of the tent ass whoopin, or a few days washing the gravel rocks 1 at a time. Now, you get an article 15, and your career is over. So, the ranks are filled with people unwilling to stick their necks out, unwilling to take initiative, and unable to make decisions because they're afraid of making the wrong one.
A bad decision is better than no decision. (That is a generalization that is used because it has a high rate of accuracy)
And this is why I don't think you deserve the heat. Society may have made you feel you "couldn't risk not being perfect."

As for lying at MEPs: You can't go to any unit, and not find several who didn't. Right or wrong, it's reality. With everything in life, you have to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions.
In time, the undesirables will be weeded out. The good ones, people will realize they are worth keeping, more than making them "pay," for their lie. I have seen Soldiers drummed out, for minor stuff, because they were a mope. I have seen Commanders fight, to keep a good Soldier, for lying in an effort to become a better person. And they succeeded.
Just work your hardest to be that "good Soldier."

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Nov 10 at 2019 10:14 PM

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Oh come on...this is a joke, right? Looking for a little attention? Let me tell you, should you find yourself in need of a security clearance, the lie will surface and you will be denied.

Not sure this being a bright move on your part to post a question like this. Did you ever rob a bank?

Response by PO2 Willie Robinson made Nov 10 at 2019 10:42 PM

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Let them tell you no. A heart murmur is not necessary a disqualification. Your post is eight months old, may we have an update?

Response by PFC Matthew Lipsey made Nov 11 at 2019 4:14 AM

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as an 11b who went to college and now have been in medicine for 25 years let me tell you this. A lot of people have murmurs when they are young and eventually grow out of it like childhood asthma.

Response by CDR Thomas Holohan made Nov 11 at 2019 1:16 PM

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Heart murmurs are very common and the vast majority are medically trivial. I would not say you "lied", and very few people could remember medical info from age 6. Just wait and see what happens when you see the cardio; he/she may do an ultrasound test...

Response by CPO William Rys made Nov 11 at 2019 7:58 PM

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Let’s see... You were “told” you had a heart murmur, AND told it would go away. Who told you this? Was that person a doctor? When I was a Navy recruiter, I warned my applicants not to tell outright lies at MEPS, but don’t volunteer ANYTHING that was not medically documented by medical professionals. I lost a couple guys because they said “Grandma said I had asthma when I was a baby” to someone at MEPS. I’d ask them “Was “Grandma” a f**king doctor???” As i drove them back home, never having a chance at the military again... If you do have a minor heart defect, and are allowed to stay in, the only downside is the fact that they may be able to prove you had it before your service and a disability claim may be tough. Though the argument could be made that is was aggravated by your service and was therefore compensable... I had a congenital spine defect that was never diagnosed until I had 10 years in, but am now receiving a disability due to the condition being aggravated by my service... You should be OK, unless you told an actual lie at MEPS and answered “No” if a doctor specifically asked you if you had any sort of heart defects or disease...

Good luck to you on your cardiology visit! Hope all turns out OK and whatever condition is easily treatable.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2019 7:05 AM

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Come on folks, some of my best Senior Leaders have told me back when they were still wet behind the ears that they did some things that they weren't the proudest about, even trouble they got into and lies yes lies. Most of this happened early on in there careers and they learned from it and became better people from it. These things shape people's lives. They make the greatest Senior ranking people that the military have.

Give the kid a break.

I'll bet my next retirement check that at least 65 percent if not more of military folks have told white lies, and if you beat your chest and swear that this is not true then your honestly full of Shit.

Also I was a recruiter and did Q&A for all the recruits MEPS packages. I found errors or lies in at least 40 percent of the recruits that would be sent to boot camp. They had to be corrected and some of them I would let go to boot camp and others where it was blatantly that they had crossed a line did not go. Most recruiting offices don't have a Q&A guy. So just imagine how many of them from other offices are now soldiers and Sailors.

This goes to show that there are many I say many people that are in now that have lied on there MEPS forms. So for them now to say that the values of the Service's are Integrity and since this kid had lied that they don't want him anywhere near them in a uniform, well folks chances are you have all along served with people that did the same shit as this kid and your probably best friends with them unbeknownst to you. Congratulations you just received your Darwin Award.

Go Figure!

Response by SFC Edwin Alices made Nov 13 at 2019 2:08 PM

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What medical record are you referring? There is a law called the Privacy Act that requires your written consent to access personal medical information. You are not the first one or the last one to be less than honest coming in. I will not worry about it as long as you can meet physical standards. If for any reason it comes out later, i would suggest that honesty is an Army value that we don't only talk about. You will be required to live it and your word is your honor. You decide if you can live up to that standard.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2019 1:27 PM

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Dear lord, let’s start by saying this has to be one of the dumbest things that can be posted in a public forum. And common sense is not your forte. You will be fine as long as you shit your mouth. The quicker you learn that, the better off you will be in life.
As far as all you holy saint going on about how he lied, and doing so means you wouldn’t want him in your platoon, yada yada yada....... get the fuck over yourself. Most of you did the same or have throughout your career, including you Officers.
Stick with it kid and keep pushing forward. Learn from this, but also let half the bullshit negative answers you are receiving here go in one ear and out the other.

Response by SSgt Mark Ferry made Nov 14 at 2019 5:37 PM

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Realistically plenty of people have heart murmurs when they’re young. it’s not necessarily a definitive diagnosis so it’s very possible you didn’t know about it. Of course saying that you lied about it is a different thing but I think that if you want to have a decent career you got to get over that being scared that you’re going to get in trouble somehow. Case in point, I admitted to smoking marijuana before at meow, then found out 20 years later the kid who gave me the weed was a full bird Colonel flying the stealth bomber. Which leads me to believe that admitting to things is considered just as bad as doing them.

Personally I did not know about my heart murmur because it was on old records of a surgery the military had to get a court order to obtain. They weren’t the least bit worried about it and did not even listed on my medical.

But if you’re going to sit here and straight out admit that you lied - we’ll read my story about the pilot again. I’ve been out of the military a long time and recognize that my paranoia as a kid was just as bad as anything I actually did.

Response by SSgt Mark Ferry made Nov 14 at 2019 5:39 PM

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If I wasn’t clear in my previous message, the fact it bothers you means you did something wrong. On purpose. If it wasn’t done on purpose that I think you’re just fine. But if you did it on purpose to intentionally give false information, you’re going to have a tough time in the military eventually.If I wasn’t clear in my previous message, the fact it bothers you means you did something wrong. On purpose. If it wasn’t done on purpose then I think you’re just fine. But if you did it on purpose to intentionally give false information, you’re going to have a tough time in the military eventually

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made Nov 21 at 2019 6:00 PM

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Should not start your career with a lie. Also, you just admitted it on a social media site which is accessible by the military. Please find life outside the military your lack of honor and integrity make you unfit.

Response by LTC Ray B. (Ret) made Nov 21 at 2019 6:10 PM

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Never lie. When the military finds out the UCMJ will crush you and your soul

Response by PO3 David Mabo made Nov 21 at 2019 8:21 PM

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At this point it does not matter, just do not lie to the cardiologist. Tell them the whole truth. Either way it is up to the doctor and your service if you join. Someone will have to waive the issue for you to join.

Response by SFC Joanna Rydzewski made Dec 5 at 2019 1:37 AM

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I was a counselor. First: don't ever lie. Second: if you had a heart condition and went to basic you could be seriously injured or death. Third: you should always tell anything even if recruiter says you never had prob in past, played sports because the MEPS doctors will hear it anyway.
Fourth: I would have suggested after your doctor cleared you that you got a waiver.
Fifth: your platoon would be put at risk you lying and all of sudden your mission is incomplete because they are trying to save your life. Do you think any team player would trust you after someone found out you lied.
Do it the legal way, most likely you would get a waiver. Sane as asthma after 12 attack I'd disqualified. Remember the military not for everyone, and you need to be world wide deployable at a spare of moment.

Yes, the cardio Dr your seeing is a specialist and will pick up the heart murmur right away. But maybe waiver it to.

Good luck, be honest..honor is a reward to being a team player.

PS I treated everyone that I enlisted as relative, never lied to them, always told them to pick a trade to go into so if your injured in combat you have something to fall back on. No one ever came back stating I lied to them. But did say their happy I was their Counselor.

Response by SGT Criss M. made Dec 5 at 2019 8:13 AM

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Don’t ask, don’t tell, and don’t worry about it.

Response by PO3 Phil Rewa made Dec 5 at 2019 9:30 AM

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Just say your forgot.

Response by SFC David mCgILLIS made Dec 5 at 2019 7:17 PM

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John, Wow... your simple question turned into a few long posts and a couple of rants. Dude, don't sweat it. They found it, they will check it and if it is a minor issue, you will be cleared my medical and on to choosing an MOS. I was asked if I ever smoked weed... no was the answer and they never found any ;"^}. I was just gunna do 3-years and get out... 22-years later, I retired. Charlie Mike young man and keep chasing dreams.

Response by SGT Leonard Frank made Dec 6 at 2019 9:42 AM

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At 6 years old you were told you would grow out of it. Did you know before meps that it did not? Because it sounds like you thought it was gone but meps found out your Dr was wrong. From over a decade ago.

Response by PO1 Tracy Trussel made Dec 6 at 2019 12:49 PM

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They are looking at your medical records now.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2019 9:23 PM

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It’s been easy in the past to pull a fast one, but with more and more hospitals and clinics using interconnected medical record systems it’ll be easier and easier for doctors to find other records.

In reality you’ll probably get a waiver and be fine. But you clearly know that’s not the issue, but rather the lie. From here on out, Especially when it comes time to do your SF 86 for a security clearance, keep it honest.

Really, as a medical officer, our job is to protect you and the soldiers you serve with. It’s no good to sneak in with a medical condition that will endanger you or your unit if it rears its ugly head at the wrong time. Recruiters seem to forget a bit too often that these standards exist for a reason.

Response by PO3 Stephanie Washington made Dec 7 at 2019 6:31 AM

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My recruiter lied and put that I was Hispanic

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2019 12:20 PM

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You signed a release at MEPS that gives them permission to request all medical records back to birth. That being said, if someone wanted to make an issue of it, you could be charged with fraudulent enlistment and they could release you from service, fine you, or imprison you. It's more important for you to ensure that you're healthy. As a MEPS medic I've seen this many times. There are waivers for almost everything. It'll be up to your command or medical provider to determine that path.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2019 3:24 PM

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Don't worry about it. I fibbed about asthma and got through AD fine. They got better stuff to do and fish to fry than to worry about your little murmer... However, at the end of your service, if you want to say it was the military's fault that said murmur exists, expect an investigation.

Response by PO3 Lindsey Mathews made Dec 7 at 2019 4:04 PM

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hahaha bruhhhhh with a lot of love but you are dumb. It's cool though, don't stress, just keep being dumb. Everything will work out ok. Best of luck!

Response by SGT Jeremy Cribb made Dec 7 at 2019 10:08 PM

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Whatever became of this?

Response by Sgt Crusty Buck made Dec 8 at 2019 1:35 AM

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Dumb for lying in the first place. Dumb for coming on here asking those who’ve upheld their oath to the very core values you’ve violated before Even being considered a recruit/trainee/boot enlistee. Yes you could go be honest now after the fact, but you’ve put yourself in an uphill battle. Depending on recruiter if he’s only chasing quantity and not actual fit to do this people, it probably won’t do much harm past this point. However people got denied for having minor adverse reactions to aspirin and OTC medications because those are commonly prescribed. You lied about a heart condition that can at any point get worse for no reason other than your heart beats non stop. Definitely disqualified from most high stress, labor intensive and high speed MOS/AFSC. However you’ve got to understand a lot of us good bad or indifferent still upheld our oath (apart from salty bad apples that couldn’t maintain the standard) and it’s offensive to an extent asking how to fix a predicament created with lack of integrity. Below a CSM gave good advice however if you are not actually torn, and not actually feeling guilty, do not use that excuse. You’re in a a spot reserved for those who want it and will continue to earn it. Before worrying about how to cover your tracks. Talk to your self(not literally that will also see you out) and make sure this is what you want for the right reasons. We have enough after free stuff that slow ops tempo mission readiness and bunch of other fun terms to describe daily life. Just know, if Infact you are allotted to remain, any further condition dealing with the cardiovascular system may not be considered fault of the service due to the pre-existing conditions. 4-30 years down the road (depending what how long where and why) when your career of active service is done, you will hopefully apply for your VA and get any issue caused by your time serving. However based on the immediate track history you led off with, you might of done not only present time you, but future you a disservice. Regardless of wanting to do this or not, you need to be an adult, pull the big person pants up and make sure your recruiter is aware because in the service you don’t go down by yourself someone is coming with you. Not to say he’s guaranteed future issues but your actions also affect that recruit office which again, is a part of the life style. Apologize, self reflect, take a step back reflect and re-engage and remain honest from here on out. Should you make it through actions like this can and do cause lives and ruin trust. Good luck. 20 years mitral valve prolapse, was able to push and do what I wanted with my career before being forced medically to retire due to on duty mishaps. Not a whole lot of room for second chances these days be lucky they didn’t end your military career right there.

Response by SSG Katherine Likely made Dec 8 at 2019 11:09 AM

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I think you should speak up and just let the chips fall where they may, since your so worried about it. I have a heart murmur that they found when I enlisted and they said no big deal. it never bothered me and I managed to serve for almost 27 years - before they put me out to pasture because of an on duty hip injury.

Either suck it up or admit you lied but don't belly ache about it - your suppose to be a solider!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 12:21 PM

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Should be more worried about that you are going to be a liability to your unit if u make it there. What I mean by being a liability is that you have this medical issue that may or may not cost your or your battle buddies life downrange..... think about that for a second....

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 6:08 PM

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You sir a fuckin not the brightest lightbulb on the Christmas tree why would you it this up here you are literally fucking your recruiter over like brah you should’ve talk to him beforE posting this shit here . If they weren’t gonna look before you have just risen the red flag. Lmao goofy af

Response by SrA William Cassy made Dec 8 at 2019 7:39 PM

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Nothing good will come from lying for anything

Response by SrA William Cassy made Dec 8 at 2019 7:40 PM

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Not to mention lying to get on is a federal offense

Response by SrA William Cassy made Dec 8 at 2019 7:58 PM

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I do hope everything goes well on this for u but don't stay a career of lying it won't end well

Response by MAJ David White made Dec 8 at 2019 10:40 PM

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Lying about it was ill-advised. Coming out about lying in a public forum was either stupid or brave. Figure out which you are and ride it out. If you’re a good soldier this has a tendency to get overlooked; if you’re a loser it’s now evidence for administrative consequences. When I was active duty I referred several people for EPTS/medical board action after they presented to the emergency department with recurrent asthma attacks that they acknowledged they had experienced for years but “forgot” to disclose on enlistment. They were medically unqualified for enlistment yet if they were able to serve without it presenting a problem for a year they could be retained, unless it could be shown they lied. I suspect the eagerness to uncover lying was biased by how good a soldier they were. I never knew the outcome of those referrals.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2019 12:45 AM

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honestly they wouldn't have but to me it seems like you're looking for a easy ticket out of training. if this was truly a problem or issue you would'nt be one a public site where you have to give your real name, you would've been taking you your recruiter about getting a waiver (which they are really good at getting). tbh why are you asking this question on a military site if you really want to serve? oh and as much as the rest of the E-4 mafia are behind you I would be too if you weren't a liability to or brothers and sisters and also weren't this dumb to ask this on a site that ppl connected to higher ups to question about you or even your ppl at meps are on.

Response by SrA Sheila Holmes made Dec 9 at 2019 7:11 AM

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Medical records are certainly much more accessible now than ever before; if the MEPS physical doesn’t detect it, then doesn’t that mean you grew out of it? Medical stuff has advanced since you were six. My mother had open heart surgery as a teen and they told her she wouldn’t live past 18 -she’s 67. Doctors can always get it wrong.

Response by PO2 Hank Kaczmarek made Dec 9 at 2019 10:06 AM

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IDK---I lied about my heart murmur too---discovered after fainting from 3 20 hour days in the mess hall working. I got to stay in, did 10 years, been out 36. If they want to come after me now, I'd die laughing. I DID admit I lied about it as the MD did say it would go away.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Dec 9 at 2019 2:54 PM

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Ultimately it depends on the severity of the issue. I myself have a slight heart murmur and out of every 10 doctors 1 would notice a slight change in my heart beat. If it is as minor as your doctor said it could be dismissed. But if it isn't minor they could review it and proceed as they feel fit. If they found it at meps and you aren't in yet they will just proceed with identifying the issue and diagnosis it.

Response by SPC Geoffrey Jenkins made Dec 10 at 2019 6:00 AM

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If the Doctor said it was ok,
I wouldn't worry about it,it is very rare the military go back and check your medical records,something drastic would have to warrant such an action of investigation,

Response by SSgt Rory Schlosberg made Dec 10 at 2019 5:15 PM

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You sir should be ashamed of yourself. You will never live the Army core values and you’re lucky someone hasn’t brought this up to someone. That’s called lying! That’s pathetic. You do not deserve to serve in the military and I have no respect for you.

Response by SGM Ray P made Dec 10 at 2019 6:10 PM

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The entire reason they identify the issues at MEP's is to ensure no future issues arise, especially in a combat environment. A heart Murmur at 6 years old, unless there is a medical record on it was probably something your mother told you. I recruited for 12 years and ran Recruiting Battalions for years and the majority of people that say they had medical issues, Asthma, heart Murmurs etc were stories they were told by their Parents and not so much based on facts. If you indeed had a heart MurMur at 6 and had no further issues the rest of your life then even if there was paperwork you would have probably still been approved with a medical waiver due to your age at the time and not having any further problems. They will not check anything but what you tell them so just remember that and you will be fine.

Good Luck,
SGM P

Response by SGT Mike Garst made Dec 11 at 2019 9:36 PM

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Lying is never good and it sets a precedent. If you had honestly forgotten about it prior to the MEPS doc finding it, so be it, own it as its been stated. BUT the army will not go back for your records, they will go/no go you on the recommendation on the MEPS doc and the cardiologist who does the review.

But know this, Mr Kellen, you are on a public site and have admitted to lying to MEPS in front of active duty and retired members of the military who have more contacts than you have hot meals. The best thing you can do is own up to this mistake in judgement and take it as it lands.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2019 2:01 PM

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As a soldier we tried to practice honesty and integrity. You disrespected the uniform For which you want to wear. There are medical requirements in place for a reason. The conditions that you are going to go through and face ahead of you require that you be healthyTeam player and going into the army with the physical ailment directly affect your choices your health and the health of those around you.

Response by TSgt Gerald Wilson made Dec 14 at 2019 6:16 PM

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Good grief. That has to be a fake question...

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2019 1:09 PM

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Everyone has stated it, so I won’t reiterate that this is a public forum. But you shouldn’t lie about health conditions to MEPs. They always find that stuff. Are they going to go through your records? Probably not. But if you tell the truth, you’d be surprised how much they’re are willing to work with you to get you in. There’s a waiver for most issues, if you can be patient and honest.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Dec 16 at 2019 5:42 AM

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Add a new word to your personal dictionary: conundrum.

There's lots of stories of men so determined to serve their country that they didn't disclose a medical condition upon entry in to the military. At different points of our history -- different wars and conflicts -- there have also been numerous individuals who were qualified for military service when they should have been disqualified by MEPS doctors. Some went on to significant military careers or redeemed themselves as military heroes.

The other side of the issue is a misdiagnosis or the opinion of a medical professional that counters the diagnosis.

My advice, first, see what the other doctors say. Then "own it" and tell your recruiter. It may be something minimal that might be overlooked. At the other extreme, be prepared for a medical waiver or a medical disqualification from military service.

Here is why. If the problem surfaces in basic training or the first several months of military service, you could find yourself with a medically-related EPTS discharge that could limit your VA benefits.

Your other problem is a little more serious. While I commend you for coming forward, you did admit the issue on a public website for the world to see. That means that your issued is/will be known by the people who are checking on your background in relation to you Entrance Check or military security clearance and you could be bounced from service in basic training because you admitted lying -- which then is called a fraudulent enlistment.

Response by SSG Angela Scharf made Dec 18 at 2019 12:00 AM

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WOW is all I can say......

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Dec 22 at 2019 4:35 PM

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Falsification of a government document is a punishable offense. So is obstruction of governmental process. Had a recruit in my platoon who got nailed for that. He was an ass and deserved it. Usually a minor heart murmur at a young age goes away. You should have told your recruiter and asked his advice. Which would probably have been to go see your own doctor and check it out before opening your sewer hole and before your physical.

Response by SGT John Graham made Dec 27 at 2019 3:41 PM

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When my son wanted to follow the family tradition of military service. he was concerned about a small spinal bifida. I advised him not to lie about his medical condition if directly asked. Long story short, they didn't ask and he didn't tell. It was discovered only after a shoulder injury during basic training. He was subsequently medically discharged after basic. He was taking basic as a 17 yr. old between his jr. and sr. year of high school. I'm proud of him for trying.

Response by PFC Russell W made Dec 30 at 2019 9:55 AM

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If everyone told the truth at MEPS, there would be no soldiers. Have you ever broken a bone? No. Sternum, ribs, and clavicle broken wrestling and playing hockey. A recruiter told me "I wont tell you to lie but they're only going to look into what you tell them". But if you have a significant murmur they would find it eventually anyway.

Response by SSgt Rick Erens made Jan 16 at 2020 11:44 PM

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Did they check your heart at MEPS? I'm sure they would've heard the murmur. As your cardiologist said, you can grow out of it.

Response by SrA Hal Nelson made Jan 22 at 2020 11:14 AM

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My 4th year in the Air Force I was assigned to a group that was on standby to travel anywhere at a moment's notice. Upon reporting in I was sent for a flight physical. After 3 years service, I was told I had a heart murmur and was ineligible for flight pay. I questioned what would become of me, since flying was now a requirement of my job. The doctor told me I would still do the assignment, but not receive flight pay.
A year later, at my discharge physical, I was told I was perfectly healthy. I asked about the heart murmur, and the doctor said "What murmur?"

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jan 26 at 2020 12:46 PM

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That's is the wrong way to start off in the military you should have been honest because now that if you do get that is considered as a fraudulent enlistment and down the road they find you will be in alot of trouble.
SSG mark Franzen
USA cold war veteran

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2020 4:17 PM

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I think you took play dumb a little further than they meant.

Response by SGM Thomas Terebesi Sr made Jan 28 at 2020 7:42 PM

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Right now it's in the hands of the cardiologist. They will make the determination if you can enlist. All based on your current condition. Hope it goes well for you.

Response by SPC Toby Myers made Jan 29 at 2020 12:11 PM

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While we do not know what exactly occurred at the MEPS station, I can only guess what happened when I went to MEPS. I have had asthma my entire life. It was only later in life that it was determined that my asthma was caused by a severe bronchial infection that I had as an infant and that it will never get better and only get worse. Now back to my story at MEPS, I initially listed my asthma on my medical history paperwork. I was pulled aside by a medical assistant and questioned about it and then sent in to see the physician. The physician gave me new paperwork to fill out and then dictated a short statement for me to write on my medical history. It went something along the lines of, "I was told that as an infant I was diagnosed with asthma." Being a very young person, I was at MEPS on my 17th birthday (the recruiter had my mom post-date her signature on my age waiver..ha), I did as I was told. In hindsight, I should have never been permitted to join the Army. I struggled in basic training with the run and later in my enlistment, I was put on a permanent PIII profile and then ultimately received a medical discharge just short of the end of my full enlistment.

Given my personal experience, 27 years ago, I can only speculate what exactly happened to this young man at MEPS. This does not mitigate the fact that he lied on his intake forms. A heart murmur does not necessarily bar you from enlistment. It is dependent on the severity of the murmur. He should not have omitted his heart murmur.

Response by TSgt Franklin Tiller made Jan 29 at 2020 1:48 PM

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John I am a retired Air Force veteran and my last 10 years I was in recruiting and worked at MEPS 6 of my last years. I was the SLNCO at MEPS in Fargo, ND. After my first 4 years I got out of the Air Force and was told I had a heart murmur. After 3 years I decided to reenter the Air Force and it did not stop me from reentering the Air Force. I have enlisted many of people who had heart murmurs. For them to not let you enter will depend on how bad the murmur is. That's why they want a cardiologist to check you out. If I was you I would mention to the cardiologist that when you were very young you had a heart murmur and the doctor thought you would grow out of it. I doubt they will put that much investigation your medical from years ago.

Response by Maj J B made Jan 29 at 2020 3:45 PM

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Absolutely they can go back and you would in turn get a discharge that would negatively effect you the rest of your life. Fraudulent enlistment can be a big deal. Every time you file an insurance claim weather it's medical, workers comp, car, home.. etc it goes to a federal data base. This data base follows you your whole life. This is what insurance companies use to process red flags.

I've seen several people get away with lying at MEPS and I have also seen several people get discharged with a fraudulent enlistment. You are rolling the dice.

Response by SSG John Lalli made Jan 29 at 2020 6:46 PM

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QUIT TELLING THE WORLD> Shut up and act dumb. tell truth. doc said you would outgrow them Half the world has murmurs i do and got in many years ago

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2020 12:50 AM

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Have you been through boot camp. If so your potential short coming has been expoited. Its obvious your loyality to serve has over shadowed your personal safety. loyalty selfless service personal coverage. It's safe to say that in the benefit of everyone you defer this and continue your service. In the future maintain your integrity no matter the situation. Serve well soldier.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2020 12:12 PM

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They can’t go through your medical records because that’s protected by a federal act but you shouldn’t lie about something like that as it will cause serious issues for you down the line. My honest recommendation is to not continue forward on this path because even though they say you’ll be okay doesn’t mean you will be. Also as everyone else here has mentioned, they would absolutely know that you lied now which may disqualify you for good from enlisting. Please take your medical conditions VERY SERIOUSLY even if it doesn’t seem like a big deal anymore. If you don’t take care of yourself then no one will.

Response by PO1 Dee Lee made Jan 30 at 2020 12:58 PM

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They won’t ask for your medical record unless you tell them

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2020 1:43 PM

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Some advice since you already asked this on a public website. If you ever do anything wrong don’t volunteer that information

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2020 2:41 PM

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I guarantee this post will be used against you. Having a heart murmur is not an automatic discharge but it will very much limit your job. You will get several physicals before attending certain trainings and schools. For instance, airborne school requires an EKG done

Response by A1C Jj Birchard made Jan 30 at 2020 6:44 PM

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My recruiter lied to me too. I doubt yours is the biggest and worse they ever heard. Stay the course.

Response by PFC Andre Hunt made Jan 30 at 2020 11:57 PM

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You should never lie. I can’t tell you how to answer it. But let me put it to you this way. I got discharged and the VA won’t pay me. They claimed I had a pre-existing injury. The only broken bone I had, was falling down stairs at the age of 2 yrs old. I was denied medical when I was discharged at 21. No medical problems with my shoulder. So be careful what you say, post or joke about. It might end up in someone’s report.

Response by PO3 JeannieRae Keehn made Jan 31 at 2020 1:21 AM

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Sounds like you are looking for a way to get out because you can't handle it. Who in their right mind would post something like this?!? Man up!!

Response by Sgt Jon Mcvay made Jan 31 at 2020 5:42 AM

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Well I don't know if they will or not. At my first time taking the oath I didn't do it. Big crowd and all. But I did stay and I found out that I like the military way of life. Was more than proud to take it on my second enlistment. I doubt that they will go back to when you were 6. But the honorable thing to do is tell the truth. If they catch you, you could be discharged with it. Even though they would probably just discharge you. If it bothers you this much just come clean.

Response by Cpl James Kelly Jr made Jan 31 at 2020 9:22 AM

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First off, you shouldn’t have lied. I had a heart murmur, and told them about it. When I arrived at PI, after my physical there, they put me in the MRP platoon. After three weeks, they sent me to Ft Gordon in Georgia for further testing, and evaluation. Said I could preform any duties, but gave me the option to leave the service if I do desired. Needless to say, I had a wonderful career in my Marine Corps..

Response by CPL Matthew Cervantes made Jan 31 at 2020 9:42 PM

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First, are you saying you had assumed it went away and it didn't? Or are you saying you blatantly lied about. Because the first is an error (unless the question included the language "Have you EVER had a heart murmur?"). The second, you just violated a core principle of the military services and should immediately reconsider your career choice. Maybe switch to politics?

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2020 11:32 PM

2020-01-31T23:32:29-05:00

LOL

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2020 11:36 PM

2020-01-31T23:36:06-05:00

Well, I had a condition i didnt know until i joined the army (hip issue) and they treated me as such. This girl told me she broke her leg once and never told the army. All she did was get a profile for her knee

Response by LTC Andrew Addison made Feb 1 at 2020 10:44 PM

2020-02-01T22:44:09-05:00

I remember hearing about guys lying about medical issues to avoid the draft during Vietnam...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2020 9:20 AM

2020-02-02T09:20:16-05:00

I've heard they'll only go back in your medical records if they have reason to believe you lied or something happened, but I'm unsure as I don't have experience in that. However, as others stated, you did just put yourself out there with this post.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2020 11:08 AM

2020-02-02T11:08:24-05:00

Everyone lies about something but I see it as if it hasn’t been a problem throughout your career and it has been diagnosed by the army then take advantage of the army or whatever because at the end of the day champ the military don’t care about you.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Feb 2 at 2020 11:11 AM

2020-02-02T11:11:20-05:00

After being in the Army about 8 years I was told I had a heart murmur. I went on to serve 22 years including Drill Sgt and Air Assault school at 40 years old. But as far as lying at MEPS, I agree with the LTC. You are aware that this is a public site and that not only that it's a military public site. That said, if the doctors at MEPS found the murmur and you are going to a cardiologist for diagnosis the Army will determine if you are fit to serve. I don't think you are going to jail for not disclosing you had a heart murmur when you were a kid.

Response by SSG Tony Cortez made Feb 2 at 2020 12:10 PM

2020-02-02T12:10:31-05:00

Depends on if is a current issue. If it is not you be ok. But you would have to make a written statement to correct what you provided before. What branch are you trying to enlist? The doctor after your been to your appointment would provide results. There might be a waiver depending how small the heart murmur might be. I used to work for the Navy liaison Meps

Response by SPC Julio L R. made Feb 2 at 2020 1:10 PM

2020-02-02T13:10:11-05:00

You were 6 at the time. How far back can your memory go?
You were told that you would grow out of it. Your mind had already archived the issue. MEPS found it, so your mind is revisiting this memory. I don't see a lie. Just an omition of a lost memory.
Let it slide. Follow treatment and/or recommendations.

Response by CPL Mark Garrigus made Feb 2 at 2020 8:42 PM

2020-02-02T20:42:07-05:00

If everyone who lied about Marijuana use at MEPS, hadn’t lied. There would be a major shortage of personnel in all branches of the Military.
But this is not the place to ask this question, unless you want to get caught.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2020 10:39 AM

2020-02-03T10:39:03-05:00

Jesus christ man this can be a real question

Response by CPO Mike Castro made Feb 3 at 2020 4:47 PM

2020-02-03T16:47:56-05:00

People say people joining now are smarter than anyone who joined before. I have serious doubts of the truthfulness of that statement.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Feb 3 at 2020 6:59 PM

2020-02-03T18:59:13-05:00

Don't worry, they won't place you in front of a firing squad. It goes against Army values to lie but the fact you owned it shows you manned up. If you get in you will hear several quotes about honesty in the Army. "Honesty is the best policy", "Take a hard right over an easy wrong", etc. Going forward learn from this and be honest.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2020 9:21 PM

2020-02-03T21:21:06-05:00

I've got a heart murmer & I told it when I got it. It was cleared without medical records.
But being opened about lying on documentation is not smart.

Response by SFC Mitchel Nay made Feb 4 at 2020 9:02 AM

2020-02-04T09:02:30-05:00

Don't worry if the specialist says you are good to go that should be the end of it.

Response by SFC Mitchel Nay made Feb 4 at 2020 9:03 AM

2020-02-04T09:03:36-05:00

If the heart specialist says you are good to go that should be the end of it

Response by SSgt Matthew Short made Feb 4 at 2020 9:46 AM

2020-02-04T09:46:54-05:00

I'm not saying I'm OSI, but I can check this for you before they do to..... Help you out. Just tell me where your MEPS station is and I'll do what I can. Great question! And honesty is always the best policy.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2020 9:59 AM

2020-02-04T09:59:21-05:00

never say you lied. it was a long time ago and you forgot.

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Feb 4 at 2020 11:02 AM

2020-02-04T11:02:47-05:00

It confuses me to hear someone say they "lied" but then told "a bunch of others". The purpose of telling a lie is to hide something. Doesn't going around telling a bunch of others, including how many on this site, that you lied defeat the purpose? Now everybody knows you lied. Not very smart of you!

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Feb 4 at 2020 5:31 PM

2020-02-04T17:31:07-05:00

It is never a good idea to Lie about anything especially dealing with the Government. Having said that, you were told that you would outgrow the heart murmur. In my 15 plus years of recruiting, this medical condition comes up on occasion. The majority of applicants that go to MEPS fill out the medical paperwork and do not disclose this condition because he/she think they outgrew this condition.
Keep in mind, your recruiter and Station Commander should have questioned you for any medical issues that you have now, or in the past . Recruiters and Station Commanders worth their salt always get to the bottom of things, ESPECIALLY Medical issues !!!
You probably have been put in for what's called a "Med Read". This is a Company level Med waiver that the Captain/Major will initiate (unless things have changed a bit since I retired). The applicant (YOU) should write a signed statement to the Commander as to the nature of the medical situation and your reasoning why you did not mention the heart murmur in the first place. In your case, you felt that you outgrew the heart murmur etc...
Social media is great! But there is a time and place to communicate things. This is a private medical issue and you should refrain from social media feedback. Get with your recruiting team to discuss this. Believe me, the Recruiting team want to put you in boots!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2020 8:35 PM

2020-02-04T20:35:27-05:00

So, no. MEPS doesnt have access to anyone's medical records, they are protected under the hipp act. However, they can see posts on public forums, kinda like this one...

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Feb 4 at 2020 8:45 PM

2020-02-04T20:45:45-05:00

More than likely you will be found out you lied. NEVER admit that you lied on social media that was plan stupid. What the hell were you thinking?

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made Feb 6 at 2020 6:34 PM

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John, first... heart murmur. Never good as it means your heart valve(s) is/are not working as designed. Depending on how bad it is could be a serious issue when under duress, either in training or actual combat. Worse case... death. Best case... feeling much more tired than your peers after a workout. Usually the government would not want to take the risk that something would happen to you.

Second... lying. We all make mistakes when we’re young. That said... this is your health and future we’re talking about. Man up. Take responsibility. Whatever the outcome it will help you grow if you’re open to learning from your mistakes. DO NOT try to hide this further or act dumb! That would be another serious mistake.

Response by Sgt Peter McDonald made Feb 7 at 2020 1:28 PM

2020-02-07T13:28:25-05:00

Tell the truth even if it goes against you. The only thing that you truly own is your integrity, once you lie, that stain will follow you. Tell them and tell them why you lied. They may accept your answer and allow you to continue. Worse case is that they cancel your contract since you haven't been sworn in and shipped off to boot camp.
But be a man and own it!

Response by SGT Darryl Dykes made Feb 8 at 2020 12:00 AM

2020-02-08T00:00:00-05:00

Best for you is to tell recruiter you are not fix for duty. You said the MEPS Dr. Discovered the murmur also. You should consider your health and safety and the other lives you can endanger

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Feb 8 at 2020 5:21 PM

2020-02-08T17:21:36-05:00

Wow! I’m to trust you in a foxhole? My nephew lied, they found out and he was discharged

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2020 11:44 AM

2020-02-10T11:44:39-05:00

Ok, 1. You lied. 2. You lied on official documents. 3. You lied to get in the military.
You expect to maintain integrity in the military by lying at the entry point? It is best to just fess it up at any medical facility and get it over with - Integrity, it stays with you.

Response by SSG Luke Kirkwood made Feb 10 at 2020 12:26 PM

2020-02-10T12:26:15-05:00

Listen to your recruiter.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2020 11:58 PM

2020-02-15T23:58:41-05:00

They only know what you tell them, and unless your going for a Crypto Clearance there not going to waist thousands of dollars on everyone’s medical records. Even then, the Govt has by then spent too much money on you and will either rehabilitate your manners and punish you for lying at entry or dishonorably discharge you. Depends on the situation, command and level of the lie.

Response by SSgt Carroll Straus made Feb 16 at 2020 12:12 AM

2020-02-16T00:12:42-05:00

They can only look at your records if you sign a release form. Otherwise, HIPAA protects this information. But, yeah. Why are you posting this here?

Response by SP5 Ann Parris made Feb 17 at 2020 7:00 PM

2020-02-17T19:00:51-05:00

Despite what others are saying, I doubt they will look at your civilian medical records.

Response by Sgt Dennis Stevens made Feb 20 at 2020 8:36 PM

2020-02-20T20:36:14-05:00

!st of all the first murmur might have as your doctor told you fixed itself, no proof it did not. Its not a matter of playing dumb, get a medical doctor, independent, to give you some answers. You may be worried for nothing.

Response by SSgt Jerome Roberts made Feb 23 at 2020 3:05 PM

2020-02-23T15:05:28-05:00

How many WWI and WWII vets have you heard of that lied about age so they could serve? It’s a long tradition for the military. Several people have lied at MEPS and served successfully without anything happening.

Response by Joe Hughes made Mar 2 at 2020 7:29 AM

2020-03-02T07:29:51-05:00

They will now...

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2020 8:01 AM

2020-03-02T08:01:48-05:00

I think its fair to say that this Soldier has a bit of remorse about the situation. It would be the Soldier who lied and did not feel any remorse that I would worry about more. Not saying what he did is right or wrong, everyone has a different perception of values. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone has lied about something and no one's integrity is infallabile. Hope all works out for you John.

Response by SPC Ted Heath made Mar 2 at 2020 11:32 AM

2020-03-02T11:32:53-05:00

Come clean, don’t play dumb. If the doctors found it during your physical, then they are doing their job. Just imagine if they took everyone’s word for it. They will let u in if you are physically cleared. You wouldn’t be the first soldier(or recruit) to lie. You won’t be the last. Up to you if you have integrity or not. You can control if you are an honorable soldier, or a less than honorable one. They have discharges for that.

Response by SPC John Welnick made Mar 2 at 2020 4:08 PM

2020-03-02T16:08:37-05:00

USAREC still going after the sharpest and finest I see.

Response by SPC Ryan Wright made Mar 2 at 2020 7:40 PM

2020-03-02T19:40:17-05:00

Posting with your name seems dumb but no they dont go back. Knew a bunch of guys that lied through maps. Besides the recruiters of course lol.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2020 9:56 AM

2020-03-03T09:56:33-05:00

False official statement.

Response by AN Rebecca (Becky) Bradford made Mar 3 at 2020 11:17 AM

2020-03-03T11:17:27-05:00

I am a retired military I am a nurse believe me if you had a heart murmur at your entry they would’ve known. You potential boots should not post anything personal on a site like this lotta military a lot of retired military or on the side. Do not worry your little self young man but remember the next time that you tell somebody in the military do not lie it will come back to bite you in your behind.

Response by Mary Hedman made Mar 3 at 2020 1:48 PM

2020-03-03T13:48:03-05:00

I doubt they would bother looking. My ex-husband enlisted about 18 years ago so he is very close to retiring. My mother had a family friend who was married to an officer who worked at the MEPS he went to. He is colorblind but the family friend made those results disappear. He was also able to get through without them finding out he has 13 pins in his legs from total fractures as a teen. So if he can get away with it I would say anyone can to a certain degree. A lot of times, like with my ex, it is all about who you know.

Response by LCpl Kevin Wiles made Mar 3 at 2020 1:56 PM

2020-03-03T13:56:27-05:00

Definitely tell your recruiter! You are lucky that you have not shipped out for training yet. Life won't be as easy for you once you are in! Besides, look at it this way, one, it's your life and well being. Two, once you are a soldier, other soldiers lives may be at risk because of how your body may respond to the stresses of potential combat. It's best to be serious and honest about your health record when joining any branch of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Response by Sgt John Merrick made Mar 3 at 2020 7:25 PM

2020-03-03T19:25:30-05:00

That you failed to mention this--intentionally--is not a good thing, but is understandable (I'm assuming you're pretty young). It's a good sign your conscience is bothering you (if that is indeed the case). Just tell the cardiologist you didn't mention it because, as you've indicated, your childhood doctor said it was a temporary condition. Not a big deal.

Response by SGT John Schizas made Mar 3 at 2020 8:41 PM

2020-03-03T20:41:40-05:00

You should take the time, before entrance, to learned to write in proper English. As far as playing dumb, just show them this post. Then they will know your not playing.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2020 7:33 AM

2020-03-04T07:33:42-05:00

Dear dumbass how you just told the truth you can went through the medical process and probably been able to join. You may still be afforded the opportunity but you could be permanently disqualified or disqualified for one year. It is better that they caught it now then you would join the service and kept it a big secret and then all of a sudden you're having problems out on the battlefield then you'd become more than one person's problem.

Response by SFC Javier CruzColon made Mar 4 at 2020 11:13 AM

2020-03-04T11:13:02-05:00

Look if you are looking for absolution got to church!
That questions open too many doors there, one being kicked out of the Army for lieying two bad conduct discharge, and posible felony record in your background.
The answer to your initial record is they won't find it if you dont tell about your past.

Response by PO1 David Richardson made Mar 4 at 2020 1:47 PM

2020-03-04T13:47:37-05:00

You need to tell the truth. They questioned me on a seizure that I had at 4 years old. I was told little about it, but told them everything I knew, even the fact that they initially thought it was a brain tumor! The asked me if I'd had another seizure since and I hadn't. I served for 12 years. Tell the truth and keep telling the truth until they say it no longer matters.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Mar 4 at 2020 5:11 PM

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Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Mar 4 at 2020 5:14 PM

2020-03-04T17:14:25-05:00

Just a fantastic way to start your new career in the government. Next thing you know you'll be a reporter for CNN. Who knows? If you keep it up msybe you'll make it as a CNN anchor.

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Mar 4 at 2020 5:17 PM

2020-03-04T17:17:10-05:00

I hope all the sensitive Cindys are happy I didnt use any of mycarefully crafted language enhancement techniques.

Response by SSG Lisa Wright made Mar 5 at 2020 1:40 AM

2020-03-05T01:40:48-05:00

Why on earth would you lie? You probably need to contact your recruiter and "fess up" as soon as possible. Let him know you made a mistake and ask him what you need to do to fix it. If you are honest and explain that you did not understand that it was a big deal, then you might still have a chance to continue with your enlistment by taking responsibility for your mistake. Be aware though that your lying earlier reflects very poorly upon your overall character and is not in keeping with the Army Values, so it may not be something they'll be willing to forgive. Good luck.

Response by SSG Lisa Wright made Mar 5 at 2020 2:12 AM

2020-03-05T02:12:48-05:00

Oh, and one more thing. This is not directed to you, Mr. Kellen, but to the many people on here trying to say that everyone lies. Some of us do NOT lie. Period. I didn't lie before I joined the military, nor have I lied in my 22.5-year career. I actually already had "Army Values" before the Army got around to listing them. In fact, I have had (and still have) an awful habit of getting myself in trouble quite a bit because I always tell the truth; if I mess up, I own it, take responsibility for my actions, and do my best to make it right, and I would certainly never try to blame anyone else for my mistakes. People are going to believe what they want to believe based upon their own lives, regardless of anything I say here. My thinking is that those who jump out to accuse others of lying without any basis for their claims are probably projecting their own inclinations upon others. Character is revealed by what you do when no one else is around. I am not going to debate the issue with anyone, but I will say that I am offended by those who would seek to malign my character without knowing anything about me, and if you are one of the accusers, then you should be ashamed of yourself for stooping so low as to make such a broad, unsubstantiated claim.

As I told the young man earlier, he needs to tell the truth and hope that the situation can be salvaged. Whatever the outcome, he will have a life lesson.

Response by MSG Lori Fields made Mar 5 at 2020 10:15 AM

2020-03-05T10:15:55-05:00

No they won’t. They say they will but they don’t. If you had made it through MEPS and shipped to training and THEN developed issues, then they would request prior medical records to help facilitate your discharge.
I recruited for five years then worked at Ft Sam and Ft Leonard Wood with trainees that were being chartered out and discharged from service.
If the cardiologist clears you, then you’re fine.

Response by LCpl Joshuah Powers made Mar 5 at 2020 3:36 PM

2020-03-05T15:36:03-05:00

I signed my life away to the Corps in 2013. I was in a bad car accident that crushed my jaw and did even worse brain damage. My recruiter requested my med docs as they do. I went to the hospital I was treated at, retrieved my docs and gave them to Sgt.... Sitting at his desk in the recruiting office hes looking through my medical records and finds a page that mentions brain damage. He says hmm they dont need to see this. Balled that page up and threw it in the trash. I said the pages are numbered wont they know. He then pulled out a white out marker and made the numbers disappear. I recieved meritorious promotions, meritorious mast, assigned as squad leader. That page missing was never an issue. Not saying it's on the most solid morale ground but at the end of the day it didnt hold me back. If they need bodies they will make bodies happen.

Response by SP6 Bruce Kellar made Mar 5 at 2020 3:43 PM

2020-03-05T15:43:19-05:00

I was an NCO at one of these stations. No one cared what you lied about if you wanted in. The problems arose when you wanted out. Raise your right hand and repeat after me

Response by CPO Jim Krenek made Mar 5 at 2020 6:41 PM

2020-03-05T18:41:19-05:00

That's their job, to weed this out

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2020 6:47 PM

2020-03-05T18:47:03-05:00

Since you are new to this .. let me tellnyou this is the type of thing that you shouldnt put on social media ..

Response by Sgt Erick Wolle made Mar 5 at 2020 10:26 PM

2020-03-05T22:26:04-05:00

Son lying on military issues can be your worst nightmare come true. Have you not heard of the UCMJ (Uniformed Code of Military Justice, If you in fact lied They will find out .MEPS can help you if you come clean but you keep it hush hushed it can be serious. If you truly want to serve your country
which I highly recommend then admit it then apologize and keep your head held high you can recover from this and still join the military. Be smart do the right thing. Sgt Erick J.Wolle USAF

Response by PO2 Jon Coulter made Mar 6 at 2020 12:50 AM

2020-03-06T00:50:33-05:00

you starting on wrong foot by lying. not good!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 7:45 AM

2020-03-06T07:45:16-05:00

I had a hear murmur as a child as well. Inbrought it up to the doctors at meps and they check it out to make sure i grew out of it and the follow week i was going to ft benning. Best thing is not to lie. If your lying now you will be lying while your in and thats a no go.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Mar 6 at 2020 8:36 AM

2020-03-06T08:36:51-05:00

You put yourself in a tough spot. Having heart issues in a job that demands tough physical and mental strain could cause you and those around you serious problems. Get your Doctor's report and then go from there. If the Doc say no to the military, live what that and move on to something else. If he says yes, good luck with your time in uniform!

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Mar 6 at 2020 12:02 PM

2020-03-06T12:02:27-05:00

Honestly, your lie will be uncovered and exposed; it is just a matter of time. Remember your Oath to serve the Country with hard work, persistence and integrity beyond reproach.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 2:53 PM

2020-03-06T14:53:33-05:00

Let’s be real. If everyone told the truth at MEPS, nobody would be in the service. I’d recommend deleting this, as there are some narks in here.

It is punishable under UCMJ to lie at MEPS if they find out after you enlist. I am not saying do this or do that, but I do know people who lied at MEPS, got in, the left-out diagnosis was given at the SM’s first physical examination while active, and the SM gets medically discharged while receiving full benefits.

Nobody in the military can see your civilian medical records unless you give them a reason to put it in your military medical records. Keep that in mind. There’s no magical computer they can type your name in and see everything.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2020 4:39 PM

2020-03-06T16:39:16-05:00

The military has exceptions for certain medical conditions. I suggest seeking out a knowledgeable service member to discuss any items in your past medical records that may surface later. Don't begin your career on a bad note, and have this hanging over your head.

The military has selected you to grow and become a great leader, and to later train your subordinates to do the same.

My story: I never knew I had a heart murmur. My PCM discovered it, at my first duty station. I received occasional cardiac testing, during my 20 years of service with no abnormal readings. No VA disability rating needed for this condition. Every preexisting condition will not lead to disqualification. Good luck to you, and strive to be better and more trustworthy.

Response by PVT Michael Michaletz made Mar 7 at 2020 10:33 AM

2020-03-07T10:33:19-05:00

When joining the service I too had a heart murmur add going through m e p s you accepting me anyways I've lived with this for probably 40 years and then eventually I had to have surgery because I got into a fight and had the revolve ripped off my mitral valve. At no time during the service did he ever bother my performance and duties of what I was assigned to. If you're not taking any medication for this then it's not considered a bother to the military they'll probably give you a stress test but that's probably about it.

Response by SPC Rick HUnt made Mar 7 at 2020 10:43 PM

2020-03-07T22:43:07-05:00

Being public webpage im gonna give you the simple answer here, PVt you ready? WTF are you doing posting this fuckm nonsense on the god damn internet if they havent already picked you up they will eventually they might have but maybe not to late to find out hero. CHarlie Mike shit bird ya fuckn up

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Mar 8 at 2020 11:35 AM

2020-03-08T11:35:47-04:00

Being a Hillybiily I told the recruiter that one leg was about an inch shorter because of running ridges. He said no worries that he would sign me up for the Infantry and the other leg would catch up. It worked. After six years both my legs are the same length. lol

Response by PO3 Michael Wiedenhoeft-Wilder made Mar 8 at 2020 2:50 PM

2020-03-08T14:50:17-04:00

By lying to get in the service shows that your word is not dependable but certainly distrustful. No matter what your reasons are it was wrong. If I were you I’d come clean and accept whatever consequences you have coming to you. You took a minor issue and turned it into a huge mess when you didn’t need to. Obviously you make poor decisions. Not a good trait to have in the military.

Response by SPC Richard Zacke made Mar 9 at 2020 7:51 AM

2020-03-09T07:51:46-04:00

Instead of fake news, this sounds like fake posting, surely this kid would not be stupid enough to put his name on a posting that the military probley reviews. This just sounds too far out in left field to be true.

Response by Col James Cooke made Mar 10 at 2020 3:02 PM

2020-03-10T15:02:14-04:00

Physical conditions change constantly. Sometimes due to environment, sometimes to physiology and sometimes the doctors just *shoulder shrug*. Now, I do not speak as a doctor, but I served with a whole bunch of them as a hospital chaplain and picked up a little here and a little there. So, if you are fit now and willing now, you are highly likely to be sent back to duty with no notes, no endorsements and no warnings. Thank you for the honesty. Chalk it all up to growing up experiences.

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Mar 14 at 2020 1:55 PM

2020-03-14T13:55:59-04:00

I hope they DO! Did you sign up to serve, or for your own personal gain??? Do you not realize the risk at which you put others' in any kind of field deployment? Or do you just not CARE??? Sorry if that offends your "fragile ego" but I DO care about those whom you would be putting at risk!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2020 12:12 PM

2020-03-16T12:12:27-04:00

When I was a kid I was diagnosed with simultanagnotia. Couldn't focus on more than one thing, but that was when I was 6. I enlisted back in the early 90s when Desert Storm had just happened and the military could pick-and-choose.
So I had to get my congressman involved and go through a waiver process where I went back to my childhood psychologist and get a medical evaluation which indicated there was no trace of the original diagnosis.
It worked, but basically because I was honest about the whole thing. They turned me down once but I didn't BS them so they allowed me to work through the waiver process.

21 years later I retired.

So people with preexisting conditions that they have grown out of CAN get through.

But I think it will come down to how badly they need people.

Response by Tony Klisura made Mar 24 at 2020 1:29 PM

2020-03-24T13:29:01-04:00

Oh man you are in for a whirlwind. I had a close family friend enlist into the Coast Guard. He passed all his tests blah blah blah and was in for 3 years. In that 3rd year they went back through his medical record and saw that he was prescribed ADHD medication as a young child. He was prescribed the medication but was NOT diagnosed ADHD. When asked if he had ADHD he said no because he was never given an official diagnosis, wellllll the Guard thought since he was prescribed the medication than he was automatically diagnosed with ADHD and in their eyes he lied to the US government because he told them he did not have ADHD and was stripped of everything he did and was dishonorably discharged

Response by SSG Terrence Griffin made Apr 6 at 2020 9:08 AM

2020-04-06T09:08:23-04:00

Not the sharpest tool in the supply room are ya

Response by SPC Jordan Brown made Apr 6 at 2020 1:28 PM

2020-04-06T13:28:19-04:00

Look man, I'm definately not going to condone lying.
However, the way I see it is will your condition cause others to get killed or make it so you aren't fit to properly fight?
If the answer is yes, you shouldn't join, period.
Again, I'm not saying to lie. You should be as honest as possible. Buy if they don't ask, there's no reason to bring it up.
MEPS is pretty good at finding stuff. Part of their job is disqualifying people who shouldn't be in.
If they don't see anything glaringly wrong, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to join.

Response by PO3 Michael MacKay made Apr 6 at 2020 5:24 PM

2020-04-06T17:24:45-04:00

Not sure you are what we need in the field, any field.

Response by Cpl Bill Caples made Apr 7 at 2020 12:22 PM

2020-04-07T12:22:16-04:00

The Doctor found that I also had a heart murmur when I joined the Marines, he didn’t seem to be too concerned so therefore I wasn’t too concerned. I went on to be a golden gloves boxer while in the Marines, then got out and became a professional firefighter for the next 27 years. Now at 60 I still teach boxing classes at the YMCA.
I never said another word about my heart murmur again... Semper Fi!
Semper Fi!

Response by MAJ Lee Goehl made Apr 8 at 2020 12:56 AM

2020-04-08T00:56:54-04:00

If you have to ask you already know the answer. Come clean, own it and see if it's an issue. Last thing anyone want is for you to die from a situation that physically you shouldn't have been in to begin with. Be honest

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2020 8:27 AM

2020-04-08T08:27:10-04:00

Instead of being honest with you people play righteous on here. Recruiters tell you to lie about things all the time. I was told to lie about some things and got in just find. Only problem you will have is if you cant make it through BMT.

Response by SFC Tane Anderson made Apr 8 at 2020 8:36 AM

2020-04-08T08:36:39-04:00

Everybody lies to MEPS, but if you die from it on deployment for some reason, that’s on you.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2020 1:24 PM

2020-04-08T13:24:04-04:00

Just play dumb. It's no big deal. People lie all the time at MEPS. Wait till you get in and see the people who got through. You'd be amazed.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Apr 8 at 2020 2:24 PM

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As many would say,don't know don't tell.. We all have a bit of lies,just be real with your self if you feal that you can handle the the outcome of the day to day program go for it. Remember be real... If you feal your not going to be ok let someone know. You could save your self and not hurt someone else.. Live life with out any regrets...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2020 11:58 AM

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As someone who just finished as a drill sgt. I am going to tell you now. Don't waste the army's time and or money. There is 100% chance they will find out, because what's going to happen is your little legs will hurt or you will have what we call tiny heart syndrome because your mind cant hack it. Then you will go to sick call and cry about it there, then they give you a slip for EPTS, or existed prior to service and piss off every drill sergeant there for waiting there time and waste valuable training time. So don't even think about it and like the LTC said anyone can read this!!

Response by SPC Osvaldo A made Apr 10 at 2020 1:28 PM

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just say you had no knowledge of that. You were 6 years old.
After some tests they’ll probably grant you a waiver and you can continue the process to join.
Don’t let these dudes scare you , it ain’t as bad as they make it seem.

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Apr 14 at 2020 12:42 AM

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For one you should have not mentioned it here. They won't look back at your medical records from the past. It takes many man hours & costly to try and track them down. They work from your current medical situation whether it will be detrimental to you in the future or not. But looking at your question and reading and rereading I'm confused what you lied about. Did you lie that you didn't have the condition or just didn't mention it. You will be ask a ton of questions in the medical section. Here is what your up against. No matter how you answer the question and found out later that you lied you can be be charge under the UCMJ for Fraudulent Enlistment. So the best policy is to answer truthly or to the best of your knowledge. Don't play dumb, because they will see right through you.

Response by SGT W S made Apr 17 at 2020 9:34 PM

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No .They are too lazy to do this...:)

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2020 5:32 AM

2020-04-21T05:32:34-04:00

Great question. I won't criticise because you deserves an answer not an opinion.
The reason for the entrance exam is to make sure you are physically fit, mentally healthy and able to perform what ever duties your MOS has you do. Any obstacle be it physical or mental could put you or others at risk in training or the battlefield. That said, we are not talking about a sprained wrist when you were 7 or trying marijuana a few times as a teen. A heart issue could be deadly for you. As a former recruiter I got a few recruited in with this issue your talking about in to the Army with waivers. This medical issue is quite common and with a little bit of extra work your doctor will be able to provide MEPS the documents they need to clear you to serve.
To sum this up.
1) Tell your recruiter.
2) Work on getting the proper medical documents to show you are healthy enough to join.
3) Be honest with the MEPS doctor about a condition like this. ( Again, we are not talking about sprains and some recreational marijuana)
In the end you and you alone will live with whatever happens. If you don't qualify which l, it sounds like you probably still will qualify, I would suggest there are other patriotic duties that you can do to support your local communities, State or government.
Good luck.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Apr 22 at 2020 10:33 PM

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I have to tell you this. Every single person I talked to at meps had something to hide. I was prior service Marine Corps. I then came into the army. And oh hell dud I hear some stuff. Girls that had kids, drug users, criminals telling what they had done. Trying to start a new or better life. I was told I had to stay at the hotel. Hell no. I am married and lived 20 miles away. Got into it with the Sergeant Major of the meps. Tried to say it was an order and I had to obey. I just told him I have not signed anything so his order carried no weight. I showed up at 4am. He was there and pulled me in going over everything. Asking about injuries, surgeries, drug use, anything to disqualify me. Bottom line don't tell them anything if you want to serve. And if they don't have permission to access you stuff they can't get it. They do not need to know everything. Don't change answers now.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Apr 22 at 2020 10:47 PM

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For all saying it is against the army values, look at the leaders of the army today. Officers and senior NCOs charged with assault, pedophilia, rape, drug use, drug trafficking, prostitution, sex rings, DWI, all kinds of things. I have little respect for many of the people I served with. Some were great don't get me wrong. But I seen E4s and 5s put out on a MINOR and I mean MINOR mistake. But E7s and above same thing and swept under the rug. 3 DWIs, loaded weapon in vehicle, assault of an MP, and nothing. They call the higher ups and it gets hidden. Happens a lot in training post. Unless you are a drill sergeant. then you get burned even if it is known to be a,lie. One of the reasons I retired. So the army values seem only to apply to E6 and below. E7 and above are exempt. So do not throw that card out. If it does not go for everyone it don't go at all. I can give more examples.

Response by Amn Lynn Folgate made Apr 30 at 2020 9:00 PM

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The fact that you lied makes no difference now and besides, you were not a doctor and thus not qualified to make that important a decision. Then too, i have had an irregular heart beat for 81 years; My doctor has always said, "an irregular heart beat is better than no heart beat at all". Plus, a few years ago I had a pacemaker installed, then I became infected and it had to be removed after only 6 weeks. My cardiology doctor apologized for putting it in and then having to take it out. He explained that he has installed them for 28 years and mine was the only one he had to remove.
In fact, to remove it he called on another doctor as he didn't trust himself to get it our without a danger to me.
So, the heart is not a simple organ, you would not be expected to have the knowledge to make such important decisions as to how good or bad your was. The fact that you are still here indicates you have taken care of yourself regardless of what statements were made back then. It the past comes up again, just the the Fifth and change the subject.
I was an A2C for the full four years as the field I was in was declared Frozen. Thus, I had reached the top of my potential and could not advance any farther. So, your little white lie does not compare with the "lie" i had to endure. My advice, to you is that it is not worthy of any more concern. Good luck.

Response by SFC Tyrone Brown made May 5 at 2020 9:39 AM

2020-05-05T09:39:41-04:00

The information between what your cardiologist provides to the medical doctor at the MEPS will determine your fate for enlistment. You technically didn't lie since you stated that you were "told" that you grew out of it.

When you answer yes to a potentially disqualifying question, it will still have to be researched and substantiated in order to be qualified or disqualified by the MEPS. If your medical waiver passes, good luck.

Response by PO3 Forrest Nelson made May 5 at 2020 11:31 AM

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They will check in 3 weeks and if it's an issue they will let you know. Not a single person is going to try and track down medical records from last month, let alone 12 or more years ago at an unknown doctor in an unknown location.

Response by Maj A. Clark made May 5 at 2020 5:01 PM

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I would have more of an issue serving with a guy who asks questions like this on a public forum, than a guy who may or may not have had a murmur 12 years ago. Terms like, Suck it Up and Shut Your Pie Hole were invented for a reason.

Response by SPC Keith Smith made May 6 at 2020 3:29 PM

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I had a heart murmur as a child. It’s common, I told them, and they checked it out and I was fine. The military is very strenuous, and not telling them about possible medical issues, can kill you. It’s for your own safety that you disclose everything. Come clean and tell them.

Response by PO3 Paul Belham made May 6 at 2020 4:10 PM

2020-05-06T16:10:02-04:00

Oh my god dude what are you thinking posting shit like this in this forum. Are you dumb as a stump

Response by SGT Tim Williams made May 6 at 2020 4:31 PM

2020-05-06T16:31:41-04:00

Now you're doing a good job of play plain dumb already so just go with it yeah just

Response by SSgt Charlene Bugg made May 6 at 2020 9:22 PM

2020-05-06T21:22:48-04:00

I told tons of lies to get in. Who doesn't? I was in for 10 years. Other than living with a guilty conscious, I did fine. Even after I got out, the VA didn't care that I lied and they still took care of me. Don't sweat it.

Response by LCpl Jon Stephens made May 6 at 2020 9:53 PM

2020-05-06T21:53:43-04:00

They will now! Lol. Hope ur not going into intelligence or combat positions.

Response by SPC David Stowe made May 7 at 2020 11:21 AM

2020-05-07T11:21:11-04:00

Oof. Considering that your name is out there now there is a potential risk. It wouldn't have been if you hadn't said anything. The O-5's and E-9's of the world will make a gigantic deal of this on here as it is in their nature to do so and they likely don't remember how they were as a brand new recruit.but I don't know of many people that I served with who weren't told to lie about something by their recruiter. Hope everything works out for you in the end.

Response by PO1 Ronald Parker made May 7 at 2020 4:01 PM

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First off you didn't lie. You told MEPS what you were told at a younger age. It sounds like MEPS is sending you to the Cardiologist because of what you said and what they found. Get a copy of the written and signed results of the doctor's visit and hand deliver it to MEPS even if the doctor's office said they will send it to them. Also make a copy for your records. MEPS will make the determination since they are the ones sending you to the Cardiologist.

Response by SPC Ray Blaylock made May 8 at 2020 11:12 AM

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I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America, in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2020 1:46 PM

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No one has ever lied at meps before. You're the first person to ever do so. Let us know what happens so we may help those in the future that do so out.

Response by PO1 James Depue made May 8 at 2020 2:00 PM

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John, We all have goals and desire but you lying about a heart condition is the most selfish thing you can do. You’re thinking about “you”, but once you join the brotherhood lives depend on you. Be a man and put your cards on the table, being all you can be doesn’t mean lying for personal vanity. Remember, you lie, men die.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made May 8 at 2020 3:48 PM

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It's hard to say but if you knowingly lied on your enlistment paperwork you could be rejected based on the condition, you could be rejected out of hand for a fraudulent enlistment, or you could be accepted on the condition that it does not develop into an issue during basic training. There may be trust issues with your leadership however. In any case you were flat wrong to lie.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2020 4:50 PM

2020-05-08T16:50:01-04:00

You here now...go be great

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made May 8 at 2020 8:08 PM

2020-05-08T20:08:13-04:00

I will say it is not a good way to start off a military career to break one of the core values of the of all the branches, "Integrity". That being said, you are not first and you won't be the last. Some have even lied about smoking pot a few times. Not saying who, but let's just say that even that simple lie can stick with you and you think about it even decades later not because of what was done, but because it was lied about.
Now in your situation, would your medical condition put yours or others lives at risk? If so, than that is a pretty serious lie and you should probably be separated for it or disqualified for enlisting. If it is something that would not put others lives at risk, then i say it is still a lie but something that can be forgiven if you fess up, but don't lie again. Truth always has a way of coming out. You definitely want to be the one to tell the truth and not let other find the truth before you tell them. It erodes the trust people have in you. I am hoping that who ever makes the decision about your future can chalk it up you being really eager to enlist. That is something to proud of. Just don't taint what I assume to be noble intentions with a lie like this.
Good luck to you, I hope this works out and you take this lesson with you on your hopefully honorable military service.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made May 8 at 2020 8:08 PM

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Response by PO2 Hank Kaczmarek made May 9 at 2020 11:09 AM

2020-05-09T11:09:12-04:00

I lied about my heart murmur in 1975. Doctor at AFEES (MEPS now) didn't catch it.
They DID after I passed out after an 18 hour shift in the mess hall in Boot Camp.
Navy doctor asked how bad I wanted to stay in---Told them I couldn't go home and tell my WW2 Sailor father I didn't make it. So he said "You can stay".
Sure didn't keep me out of Marine Infantry as an FMF Corpsman. Neither did my plus 4 flat feet.

Response by PO2 Hank Kaczmarek made May 9 at 2020 11:10 AM

2020-05-09T11:10:48-04:00

I lied about my heart murmur 45 years ago. They found it after I passed out in the mess hall after working for 18 hours. Navy MD asked me if I wanted to go home. I told him I couldn't. My WW2 Veteran Dad would be freaked out. He said "you can stay". I did.
Didn't keep me out of Marine Infantry. Nor did my very flat feet.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2020 4:25 PM

2020-05-09T16:25:52-04:00

Well,you were free and clear until you went public!!

Response by Sean Hamilton made May 9 at 2020 5:14 PM

2020-05-09T17:14:45-04:00

Hipa laws prevent them from looking at your past medical records.

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made May 10 at 2020 12:45 AM

2020-05-10T00:45:40-04:00

I was a recruiter and was surprised at how many people have or had heart murmurs. Seems they check at meps.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 1:59 AM

2020-05-10T01:59:11-04:00

Regardless of whether you told them or not, they're sending you to a cardiologist to be evaluated. So they read something in your records or heard a murmur in your physical exam. If the cardiologist recommends you be allowed to enter, you're good. They are the specialist for that diagnosis. Most murmors are benign in young people so don't stress it too much.
Source- Army PA

Response by 1SG Bernhard Mattulat made May 10 at 2020 8:53 AM

2020-05-10T08:53:32-04:00

No big deal dude! I got drafted, went to flight school, went to Nam came back to Ft. Sam, got my annual flight physical, and was told I had a "heart murmur" that I would grow out of. Every physical/EKG I've had since then (Army and VA) has said the same thing. I'm 70 years old now and wonder how old I gotta get before I "grow out of it"! Oh, did I mention I spent 22 years in the Army, 16 of which was on flight status? Want to get a "shrink eval"? Wait until you have 19 years in service and volunteer to go on jump status! My CO thought it a great idea but the Doc thought I was nuts! Go for it!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2020 10:44 AM

2020-05-10T10:44:24-04:00

They will now

Response by SFC Aubrey Campbell made May 10 at 2020 12:31 PM

2020-05-10T12:31:22-04:00

I concur with others who say you are on a public website. Nonetheless, it’s out. Not sure when you lied, or on what documents you lied on, or to whom you lied. This I know. If the military doctors find a problem during your entrance physical that prohibits you joining military service, they will not let you in. This happened to me. I had high blood pressure. They found it and sent me home from MEPS. But two months later they called me back to MEPS, rans tests and daily BP checks. Eventually, I passed those tests and got in to finish a 20 year career. I like your current integrity. If you get in, do right and do well. If you don’t get in, lift you head high for nothing shall be impossible for you!

Response by CAPT Patrick Mulcahy made May 10 at 2020 12:56 PM

2020-05-10T12:56:49-04:00

It's a good thing you are thinking of this now vs after you are sworn in, as when they do find out you lied you would have gotten an other than honorable discharge for a fraudulent enlistment.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2020 12:41 AM

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You're kinda dumb for asking this with your real name posted. If you had forgot something you were told at 6, it's forgivable for forgetting. You just admitted in writing that isn't true. Consider deleting this.

Response by SrA Daniel Hamilton made May 11 at 2020 11:38 AM

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There is a little thing called integrity. It goes a long way with people.
If you still have the murmur then i am afraid you may not get in. My younger brother who has since passed away at age 42 also had a heart murmur as a child. When he wanted to join the Marines he passed all the tests but at the end of the day his i integrity shown through and he revealed it to his recruiter and that stopped him from joining. When asked why he brought it up he said he couldnt live with himself if he got a fellow Marine killed because he was unable to perfom his duty at his absolute best.
Take note youngin. Dig deep and ask yourself that question. Good luck.

Response by PO2 Joshua McMahon made May 11 at 2020 7:19 PM

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Yeah dude, I was a Navy recruiter. It’s best to tell them now than after you’ve gotten in or halfway through boot camp.

Also, if you’re worried about being caught you’ve kind of missed the point of joining. I would recommend some serious sole searching and find out if you’re going to be able to honor the core values.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2020 9:32 PM

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Navy and Air force don't push your body to the limit like the Marines and Army does,so you'll have no problem in those branches.Now if you run 2 miles and your chest not letting you make it...You might wanna give up while you ahead like people on this forum sort of telling you to do,But i don't go shooting nobodys dreams down.So if the doctor says you good, GO with the doctors opinion!Always go out with a BANG whether if you live or die.Make your life count!

Response by 1SG Chip Perretta made May 11 at 2020 11:32 PM

2020-05-11T23:32:11-04:00

You walked into MEPS scared. And believed that what they told you about growing out of it could have been true. You had no reason to believe it wasn't true. So when they asked you questions , you chose 1 of 2 answers, either they were right and you had outgrown it or whether they were wrong and you had not outgrown it. You had no way of knowing. You left it up to them. Quit being scared. If they let you in, it's not your fault. BTW they can repair that, its like a LTC coming in as a Lieutenant with a deficient brain!

Response by MSgt Willie Stovall made May 12 at 2020 11:20 AM

2020-05-12T11:20:24-04:00

More than likely they will put you in jail for lying on official paperwork and now stating that on a public web site. As far as getting in the military, You may not get in for being such a Gomer.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2020 3:48 PM

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It probably would have been easier to play dumb before you posted this on a public site. The right thing to do would have been to go to the cardiologist BEFORE you went to MEPS. I two similar things happen. First I was diagnosed with asthma when I was in high school, and used an inhaler for a little while. This would have disqualified me, despite the fact that I hadn't used an inhaler in over a decade. I went back to the doctor and they tested me for asthma instead of just diagnosing based on symptoms. The test showed that I did not have asthma, problem was solved. When I was getting going through the MEB process on my way out of the Army, they found that I have an autoimmune disease that results in low platelets, meaning I have a mild to major depending on the day clotting disorder. This is a big no go. The Army diagnosed the issue based on bloodwork going all the way back to MEPS and through my time in the Army. I didn't get in any trouble, because it had never been diagnosed, I had no idea that I had it, nor did I have symptoms, other than a low platelet count in all of my bloodwork, but it was never low enough for a doctor to really look for a cause. However, the Army used my MEPS paperwork to show that I had the condition when I went through MEPS and entered the Army, so the Army and the VA labeled it as a pre-existing condition, and they won't cover it through insurance. So the short answer is, yes, they can go back to MEPS medical records.

Response by PO1 M. Chandler made May 13 at 2020 2:19 AM

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No,. But you committed a felony and could go to prison moron.

Response by PO1 M. Chandler made May 13 at 2020 2:21 AM

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Seriously, how stupid are you? Ffs you just asked military ppl whose lives depend on your soundness for service if your lie about that deadly fail is important. You are an idiot go on disability for being retarded

Response by SGT Benjamin Parsons made May 13 at 2020 11:26 AM

2020-05-13T11:26:31-04:00

They will now, buddy.

Response by SSG Rick Austin made May 13 at 2020 12:56 PM

2020-05-13T12:56:49-04:00

You have to own up to this..get every bit of Drs notes (current) to hand to the Recruiters and MEPS. Ensure you keep a copy for yourself..I was told, at Meps, I had a heart murmur but it wasnt bad enough to DQ me and I had a wonderful career..wishing you the best but warn you, as others have..quit asking this question on the web!!!

Response by SGT George Stephens made May 13 at 2020 9:38 PM

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1. It's a federal crime that is punishable to lie on your enlistment forms
2. You posted on a public domain that you lied on your enlistment forms
3. Refer back to one, no matter what recruiters tell you, do not lie while at MEPS.

I literally fought tooth and nail to enlist and they thought I was lying about being lightning struck and was ready to give me the boot until I laid the papers on their desk and asked if there was anything else. This was on top of lint getting into my test cup and the so-called doctor said it was blood. Boy, after testing what seemed like forever, the doctor was called up and was called out for their slip up that they failed to recognize.

Anyways, the moral of all of this is that you never lie on your enlistment forms and just be straight up when enlisting at least if you fail to get in because of a health condition beyond your control then at least you can honestly say that you love your country and will do what is needed to defend her but lie about it and then it will blow up later with the opportunity to visit Ft. Leavenworth.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made May 14 at 2020 3:45 PM

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you're an idiot...

Response by SP5 James Slark made May 15 at 2020 12:26 PM

2020-05-15T12:26:06-04:00

Not a good way to start a relationship!

Response by SPC Nik Mobley made May 16 at 2020 11:51 AM

2020-05-16T11:51:34-04:00

To everyone asking this kid if he is aware that this site is public, yall are whats wrong with the army and its leadership. Instead of answering his question and helping him understand why it wouldn't be a good idea to join the army with a heart murmur, yall decide to comment something that this kid obviously knew already and avoided answering his question. Jesus Christ how hard is it to give a potential soldier a proper counseling session. Now to answer your question, yes they will likely look through your medical records to see if there is anything else they need to take into consideration before giving you the green light. It wasn't smart to lie at meps because their job is to make sure you won't die from any training you'd be expected to complete. That being said most people i know have lied at meps but not about medical stuff. Normally they just lied about doing drugs and stuff in the past. Your doctor has the option to give you a medical waiver if he truly believes that it isn't that big of a deal but meps needs to be sure that you won't get hurt if they send you to BCT. you will run alot. Nearly everyday along with doing stuff like push-ups and situps if you're already in good shape and workout regularly then I doubt they'd have any reason to refuse you if your doctor gives you the green light. Best of luck man and get used to people ignoring your question and concerns to tell you that what you did was stupid and that you shouldn't have done that. Nearly every leader I knew back when I was in the military did that. There are a few good ones that will take care of you and I hope that is the type of leadership you get and will become one day

Response by SSgt Carl Swoyer made May 16 at 2020 12:38 PM

2020-05-16T12:38:37-04:00

Your recruiter can't advise you on this.
However only if you tell meps will they know.
There a page on your enlistment package that clearly ask " have you ever had any of the following"
Now if you answer yes to any of these you may be disqualified.
Now unless you want to become disqualified ???
Screened , sold, schooled and scheduled.
Good luck with your future.

Response by Cpl Jacob Crabtree made May 16 at 2020 6:20 PM

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So much to this... Tell them exactly what you said here. A doctor told you at 6 you’d grow out of it. You never had another issue with it (this part better be true, I don’t know you or your history) and assumed you outgrew it. You’re telling the truth (to keep with comments of values) AND playing dumb (which puts you ahead of the game as it is a typical private thing to do).

Healthy hearts can have murmurs from working out. Go to the cardiologist in three weeks, and welcome to military. Oh, and pray to whatever god you may think exists that no one on this site gets you in their chain of command, you’ll be fucked.

Response by Cpl Jacob Crabtree made May 16 at 2020 6:20 PM

2020-05-16T18:20:40-04:00

I’ll get buns

Response by Sgt James Gross made May 17 at 2020 1:46 AM

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If they go back and look into your previous medical records and see it, they could nail you on falsifying a government document. It best to be honest and see what happens. It was stupid on your part.

Response by SSG Mark Payton made May 18 at 2020 2:06 AM

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Many years ago - now - I went into MEPS and started taking the tests. When it came to the hearing test I took it 7 times before they sent me downstairs to a waiting cab to see an ENT Doctor. It is what I expected. When the Doc walked into the exam room he asked what was wrong and I told him about my issue with ear infections due to an ear valve that did not work. I knew all the terminology since I had had this issue my whole life. He looked at me and asked "You really want to join the Army?" I answered Yes. Then he asked, "this is supposed to be correctable through meds?" I answered yes but mine was hereditary. He signed the paperwork - correctable through meds. and sent me back. I did 9 yrs with the Army and Guard and the whole time my hearing was great (was a lot healthier in the Army).

Response by CPT Lawrence Cichelli made May 18 at 2020 8:02 AM

2020-05-18T08:02:16-04:00

You didn't lie, because your doctor said it would not be a problem. That was a medical opinion. Now if the cardiologist finds a problem, you'll be medically discharged. MEPS didn't find this and the cardiologist will more than like agree with your doctor. Shouldn't be a problem.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2020 1:45 PM

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When I joined the army I was instructed by my recruiter not to disclose any past medical information. So now the real question here is why are recruiters telling people to lie at Meps. Fortunately I had no real issues as served a good tour of duty. I guess my point is why criticize a person for asking a question. If it was me I would talk to recruiter and see what the next step is. But if you didn’t know it was still there then I don’t really see a problem we need to support our future military personnel not belittle them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 5:37 AM

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If they already found it at MEPS, then it's irrelevant. The medical personnel will evaluate the condition and see if you get a go or a no-go. From what you wrote, it appears that it doesn't affect your day to day life or physical abilities, no medication, etc. If that's correct, then don't sweat it. Not disclosing what a doc told you when you were 6 is pretty minor. I didn't disclose bronchitis when I joined because I knew it wouldn't be an issue. 16 years later, my course of action has proven correct. Good luck.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2020 8:32 PM

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They don’t have any other records then what you had originally provided to your recruiter. They only know what you told them. There are applicants that go to meps without ever knowing that they have a heart murmur only for doctors at meps to find one. Just get your medical records from your doctor and submit them to your recruiter so he can send them up.

Response by PO2 Greg Donahoe made Jun 11 at 2020 2:28 PM

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It's highly unlikely that there will be enough of a deep dive into your record to uncover this. You've already consulted with a medical professional that has advised you there is unlikely to be a risk from it. You have to decide if that person understands enough about what you'll be doing in uniform to render that advice. If you think so, then you should likely proceed.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 10:33 PM

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I disclosed my medical history and still got in, they had me be evaluated for past conditions just to determine if the issues were still present. Real talk, when it comes to health be careful. In basic we had a guy who lied about heart issues and almost died during a P.T. test.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2020 6:08 AM

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Homie they will never know.

Unless you give MEPS your insurance information or doctors name and contact information they wont be able to tell.

They don't have a magical computer that contains your records. Your doctor has your records, nobody else. It would be a HIPAA violation if your doctor gives anyone but you, your records.

All they know is what they find and what you tell them. That's it. They have a release of information form you signed, but if they don't know who to give it to, it's useless.

I'm not saying it's a good idea to lie to the government, but ask yourself this, among the millions that have served, do you really think none of them had a health problem ever? Legally they have to ask medical questions, because if you say yes, and they let you in, it's their ass. Nobody official can legally tell you officially not to divulge anything. The only reason they care is because they get paid to care.

Response by SSgt John Wise made Jun 12 at 2020 10:41 AM

2020-06-12T10:41:49-04:00

I have only one thing to say:

Integrity compromised

Response by CPL William Harper made Jun 12 at 2020 7:31 PM

2020-06-12T19:31:59-04:00

When I enlisted in 1987(I know long time ago right!?) they waived me 1 1/2 lbs to get in! Did it ruin my career ? No are going to serve with a full dedication to our country and uphold the values to defend our nation? Then if so go forward!!! Believe me if they want to give you grief in one branch another will not!!!

Response by PO3 Thomas Lawrence made Jun 13 at 2020 12:01 AM

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I had a cousin that when she was filling out her initial forms when joining asked about having been under the care of a psychiatrist. She asked the recruiter how to answer that and told him that when she was about 10 or so her brother died of cancer. She was close to her brother and they had been adopted by my aunt and uncle. She was taking the loss pretty hard and my aunt took her to see the psychiatrist. The recruiter said to answer NO. All was good until she was being transferred from Guam to Naval Security Group Activity in Ft. Meade MD. An enhanced security clearance was required and lo and behold she was booted out of the Navy on fraudulent enlistment. She lost all of her benefits. She later did get her benefits after the American Legion or VFW took her case. Even her recruiter vouched for her at the hearing telling them what he had said. Be careful. I too was told as a kid that I had a heart murmur at a Navy base clinic when I went to a physical so I could go to Boy Scout camp. I didn't mention it when I joined and there was never any issue during my time in, but then again maybe I was just lucky.

Response by SGT Joseph Current made Jun 13 at 2020 8:42 AM

2020-06-13T08:42:45-04:00

I'm guessing that your GT score was a little south of "10". Wow.

Response by SFC Marian Washington made Jun 13 at 2020 6:45 PM

2020-06-13T18:45:42-04:00

@john throughout your processing at MEPS you received a briefing about not being truthful during any part of your process to join the military. Yes, you can be prosecuted for falsifying information especially in medical. You are putting your health at risk, additionally the careers of anyone who was aware of your condition. I’m pretty sure you will be medically disqualified & I encourage you to tell the truth.

Response by SSG Emily Williams made Jun 14 at 2020 8:15 AM

2020-06-14T08:15:54-04:00

They will now

Response by SGT Randall Patsches made Jun 14 at 2020 11:25 AM

2020-06-14T11:25:46-04:00

I actually had a heart murmur and had to see a cardiologist before being approved! I got in on a medical waiver. Everything was fine.

Response by PO2 Joan Feledy made Jun 14 at 2020 11:41 AM

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Every one is different, if you are asking it seems that it might be bothering you. Coming clean would be the best option. From what I am seeing though, you actually thought you were going to grow out of it and that would still be the truth and if you haven't had it checked since then and had no troubles, you probably thought it was gone. I mean you were 6. I couldn't remember all the diseases I did or did not have as a kid or shots or tickets. So saying you thought it had gone away like the dr back then said, is not a lie. Anyhow, someone might have already seen this who is in a position that they have to say something now. So the point could be moot.

Response by PO2 Gary Fugate made Jun 14 at 2020 2:32 PM

2020-06-14T14:32:02-04:00

I was diagnosed with a heart murmur when I was young, they said was no big deal. They probably could hear it at your entry physical. It is not uncommon. I doubt they will review your records that close. That is unless they read this thread. If you can't use it as an excuse to get out for whatever reason, They are not going to set precedent over a heart murmur. Relax. Just be sure that after you serve and get your honorable discharge you get a physical through the VA and the heart issue is documented. I now have extensive heart issues and the VA takes good care of me. I am to this day the only veteran I know of that had a Rep from the VA hospital come to my house and explain my rights and benefits. He also set me up with an appointment for a complete physical. He knocked on my door and introduced himself with photo ID. I thought he was a salesman. He was for real.

Response by MSG Jacqueline Case made Jun 14 at 2020 2:34 PM

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I see a lot of “holy” comments here...everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, no one knows for sure why someone wants or needs to join the armed forces. I was a recruiter for four years and I met young people from all walks of life who joined or attempted to join the Army for a myriad of reasons. I have never and will never condone lying, but I also know folks will do what they need to do to survive.

Response by SGT Ricky Young made Jun 15 at 2020 7:01 AM

2020-06-15T07:01:14-04:00

Not a good choice to share this on here.

Response by Kathlean Keesler made Jun 15 at 2020 4:24 PM

2020-06-15T16:24:12-04:00

Redemption song by Bob Marley and the Wailers!

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2020 12:24 PM

2020-06-16T12:24:49-04:00

Everyone in comments is acting like recruiters dont tell us to lie at meps lol

Response by SGT Nicholas Llamas made Jun 16 at 2020 12:33 PM

2020-06-16T12:33:35-04:00

Captain America lied to serve his country. Carry on young buck

Response by SMSgt Ed Turney made Jun 16 at 2020 3:55 PM

2020-06-16T15:55:55-04:00

Let the military Dr. look and see what he says. I would venture to say that the most that would happen is that they send you home. They have nothing else to accomplish one way or another.

Response by SMSgt Ed Turney made Jun 16 at 2020 4:00 PM

2020-06-16T16:00:32-04:00

I'd let the military Dr do his thing. He may decide that it is no big issue give you a thumbs up and away you go. The worst that would happen is that they would send you home. To do anything more would not be advantageous to either the military or you.

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made Jun 16 at 2020 10:45 PM

2020-06-16T22:45:33-04:00

I had a buddy, close resemblance to me who had lifelong asthma and terrible allergies.

He lied his ass off at MEPS, still had to get tested because of records submitted for a different exclusionary condition- failed that test (even with using unauthorized medication). When the doc asked, “do you want to be in the Army?” I, I mean he said, “yes, Sir.”

He hid his inhalers through basic training and IET (in places that a prisoner would be proud of) finally made it through to a unit where he could get his ‘allergies’ treated and under control.

Retired 2 years ago.

Response by PO2 Fiti Atuatasi made Jun 17 at 2020 12:06 AM

2020-06-17T00:06:09-04:00

IDIOT!!!SMFH

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 9:37 PM

2020-06-17T21:37:44-04:00

Navy physician here. Honesty is always the best policy. At your age is very likely your murmur, if indeed present, may be physiological (benign) and not truly a finding of concern. However, it’s likely you’ll need to undergo testing.

Response by SSG Ivan Centola made Jun 18 at 2020 7:18 AM

2020-06-18T07:18:15-04:00

Do the right thing...come clean explain that you have been found with this condition and that they have to decide if you can be a Soldier or not. If they decide to let you continue the process just remember when you retire and have to state all your medical issues to the VA to see if you get the compensation that is a pre-existing condition and not caused by military training, therefore you will not be able to claim any disability and any connected issue with that condition might be tossed out in the decision process. Lying is very bad and attempting to cover it up is even worst. One day when you are an NCO or an officer you will be a leader and your subordinates will look up to your leadership for guidance, Integrity and Honesty are part of the Creed that we pledge allegiance to start living by those values right at the start.

Response by SPC(P) Brandon Jenkins made Jun 18 at 2020 8:47 AM

2020-06-18T08:47:51-04:00

I would say if they are still willing to let you in with a heart murmur (willingness to follow the guidelines of a doctor), then I would say they don't care about that. One thing you have to understand: the fed government is very thorough. If there's is something to hide, and it has a paper trail, they'll probably find it; however, this is not an indicator that they'll act against you. I believe it is a case by case basis. Many people abounding have lied about something at MEPS. I don't know what else to say.

Response by PO2 Lon Hebert made Jun 18 at 2020 9:28 AM

2020-06-18T09:28:27-04:00

do not listen to them tell the truth

Response by SPC Zackariah Clark made Jun 18 at 2020 11:56 AM

2020-06-18T11:56:34-04:00

"Dont lie" No they wont check your medical records. Delete this post if you know what's good for you, hope you dont have a combat MOS. Dont want broken soldiers in the field

Response by Col Jeffrey Swegel made Jun 18 at 2020 7:17 PM

2020-06-18T19:17:57-04:00

No. But they might go look at your social media posts. Dumbass

Response by SSG Keith Bodiford (Ret) made Jun 18 at 2020 9:48 PM

2020-06-18T21:48:42-04:00

Here’s the deal. Of the MEPS doc found it, it’s in your record now. They will check you to see if you can serve and if yes you’ll ship out if not you’ll get cut. Your not the first won’t be the last.

If you hid a criminal party they yeah you might have some worries

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 9:25 AM

2020-06-19T09:25:26-04:00

They will now. You are on a public forum.

Response by SFC Jeff Gurchinoff made Jun 19 at 2020 9:28 AM

2020-06-19T09:28:25-04:00

Something tells me "Medical Waiver" was not the biggest hurdle of your enlistment.

Response by John Russell made Jun 19 at 2020 11:04 AM

2020-06-19T11:04:35-04:00

They are not psychics at MEPS. Worst they can do is ban you from ever enlisting from that branch. I would say 90% of people go on to serve despite health issues.Despite the speech they give you before shipping you out; you will be fine. Like others said; if this is really something you want then serve.

Response by SSG Sofie Martinez made Jun 19 at 2020 12:36 PM

2020-06-19T12:36:45-04:00

Just be straight up about it.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 8:50 PM

2020-06-19T20:50:46-04:00

Yes, they will. Too make kids get the boot from basic because they lied about something comes up. It also doesn’t help you posted on a public site, good luck kid hope you make the right call.

Response by CPL Justin Higgins made Jun 19 at 2020 9:20 PM

2020-06-19T21:20:21-04:00

The thing you have to consider is the possible medical problems you could develop because of your medical history. People who have no significant medical issues oftentimes develop problems over time. You will be put into situations that will push you physically. And you won’t be able to decide how far you can go in the heat, wind, rain, snow etc. A hot day isn’t so bad when you can choose to wear shorts and a tank top. Try it when your training in the heat fully clothed, wearing gear, and performing tasks that may be physically exhausting. Take care of yourself. Think about it.

Response by SGT Mike Nailher made Jun 20 at 2020 12:58 PM

2020-06-20T12:58:13-04:00

When I was at MEPS they asked us to come clean (amnesty) after they buzz cut our hair. I knew a guy who said that had they asked that before the haircut, he might have been honest.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2020 2:12 AM

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Heart murmers are very common in young children. My daughter had a heart murmur when she was a baby and she grew out of it. If you grew out of it, then it doesn't matter. It's way too common in children.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2020 2:20 AM

2020-06-21T02:20:13-04:00

Heart murmers are very common in young children. My daughter had a heart murmur when she was just a baby and she grew out of it. The Dr's told me it was very common in children. If you grew out of it, I wouldn't worry.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2020 10:05 AM

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Based upon the limited information that you provided - it would seem that you have not taken your oath and signed your enlistment paperwork. If this is true, then go see the second doctor and they will give you a green light or say you can't enlisted due to your health condition. During this appointment, you should be honest with the doctor and start your career off clean. If you get a clean bill from the second doctor, then you will know that you were honest and showed the integratory to service your country.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Jul 7 at 2020 11:37 AM

2020-07-07T11:37:20-04:00

Why would you admit lying on official government enlistment documents. You may have more issues now than medical ones

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Jul 7 at 2020 11:38 AM

2020-07-07T11:38:27-04:00

Did your recruiter coach you to lie?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2020 7:16 PM

2020-07-22T19:16:00-04:00

They most likely know now after posting this. Best to be honest. You don’t want them to find out later after you already enlisted. You could wind up with a less than honorable discharge for fraudulent enlistment. You don’t want that.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Jul 26 at 2020 7:26 PM

2020-07-26T19:26:33-04:00

Be honest and go with that. JP

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Jul 26 at 2020 8:44 PM

2020-07-26T20:44:47-04:00

Keep to your story because it is an offence to lie to them. Never metion it again.

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Jul 26 at 2020 11:32 PM

2020-07-26T23:32:20-04:00

How many of you have seen those shirts that say I'm a veteran blah blah blah "I HAVE VERY LITTLE TOLERANCE FOR STUPID PEOPLE"? Well here's your sign!

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Jul 26 at 2020 11:38 PM

2020-07-26T23:38:41-04:00

Also those who are worried or stressing over our criticisms or stating how people are being ugly....I say INTEGRITY. Yes we all make mistakes he lied, have integrity own up and hey I hope it goes alright for you, I'll applaud you admitting you messed up....I laugh at you and say you have proven my part of the safety brief " People are stupid" why would you post that on/in an open forum. That's like two of my NCOs talking about a Soldier negatively on FB for everyone to see (yes they were provide with a 4856 and then UCMJ) this is a behind closed doors discussion

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Jul 26 at 2020 11:41 PM

2020-07-26T23:41:59-04:00

Former recruiter, station commander, operations NCO here. Any lies you tell at MEPS will bounce back on you.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2020 8:37 AM

2020-07-27T08:37:25-04:00

I’m Checking it’s right now.

Response by Maj Wayne Crist made Jul 27 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-07-27T10:26:17-04:00

When under going my AFROTC flight Physical I was asked if I had had asthma. I told them as infant/toddler I had it but was treated and never had it again. They checked me for asthma and confirmed I did not have it. Passed that and all subsequent physicals. Always best to be honest. They will look for it and if they don't find a problem you are good to go. Why take the chance of a fraudulent enlistment.

Response by SGT Thomas Price made Jul 27 at 2020 10:54 AM

2020-07-27T10:54:14-04:00

You should tell them immediately. Remind them you were six. I doubt your memory is that good. I mean, who remembers anything from six? Broken bones? Yes. Chicken Pox? Yes. But a heart murmur? No one even knows what that means at six years old.

Just "by the way" or "oh crap, I just remembered." Again, you were S I X. I think you will be ok.

Oh, and STOP DOING IT!

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Jul 27 at 2020 2:50 PM

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Heart murmurs are extremely common, as well as PVCs (Pre-ventricular contractions). I did a career with one. Should not be a problem. But...do not enlist under fraudulent pretense. That's what I call a bad start. Honor, courage and commitment still mean something to many.

Response by SPC Dave Schlichting made Jul 27 at 2020 5:30 PM

2020-07-27T17:30:18-04:00

I wouldn't be super worried about looking back to when you were 6 years old (I wouldn’t report it cause so many kids get this diagnosis and grow out of it). Many kids are diagnosis or it is mentioned that a heart murmur is found but by their teens it is no longer heard. I would be more interested in what workup is currently being done for you if you still have an audible heart murmur as an adult. This can be an indicator of Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy which is a common, yet under diagnosed cardiac issue that can be life threatening in some situations if not properly recognized and treated. If they are not doing a good workup (Echocardiogram, ECG, lab work (NT-proB-type Natriuretic Peptide (BNP)) then you should seek this out. If you have any family history of sudden cardiac death (anyone died under age 55) then you should definitely get this checked out before you start intense exercise. I work in cardio and we specialize if this and many other rare (not so rare just MD's don't look for it) disease.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2020 10:41 AM

2020-07-28T10:41:37-04:00

A heart murmur is a waiverable item. I retired in 2015 and mine followed me my intire career. Spent time in the Active Army, Reserves and Nation Guard and retired from the Air Force in a flying position. Don't sweat it but I agree you should have been honest and disclosed your previous diagnosis. That alone could come back to haunt you.

Response by PFC Howard Bryant Blackshear made Jul 28 at 2020 12:16 PM

2020-07-28T12:16:40-04:00

They won’t pay you for prior illiness, before entry, but I say go for it. It can heal itself. Are you in the Military Now??????

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2020 2:30 PM

2020-07-28T14:30:23-04:00

This post is a year and a half old ... wonder what John's outcome was ... that said, it's always best to give good information to the medics. Lots of childhood issues can be waived, including a pediatric heart murmur. I had a murmur as a kid, never heard it again as an adult until I was about 45. Not a big deal.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Jul 29 at 2020 12:38 AM

2020-07-29T00:38:03-04:00

you are stupid to put your name on the net like this, but at this point, I would just tell them it was a long time ago, and you didn't know it was relevant.. But STOP TALKING about it in public.

Response by Sgt James K Seaton made Jul 29 at 2020 4:37 AM

2020-07-29T04:37:15-04:00

My Posted reply below.

Only if they can be found, Dependent all my life, right up until I turned 17 and my Father signed for my Enlistment into the United States Marine Corps. Went to the Clinic to get some updated inoculation records to show that I was current and should not have to take them again in Boot Camp, the TSGT said, "well you might as well have these, you are no longer a Dependent gave me all of my Medical records from TOB to then." Found a lot of stuff I had forgotten about, told my Father, CMSGT, his reply, "that's why they are giving you a physical, if it's there they will find it, deal with it then and besides, didn't I teach you better than to sleep in the mud"!

Made it through MEPPs, solid health as I was a stellar athlete, and when I got to MCRD Parris Island, handed over my shot records, the Corpsman said, "nice try, who forged these for you?" I got all of my inoculations again. Certainly, the only constant at age six, is change and fuddled memories.

Response by LTC George Morgan made Jul 29 at 2020 5:34 PM

2020-07-29T17:34:29-04:00

As a Combat Medic, Registered Nurse and Operating Room Nurse of 48 years experience, I can tell you that the MD who said " The doctor who found it said it's not a big deal and they will let me in" is settting you up not only for a massive fall, but threatening your life". No Heart condition can ever be explained as "No Big DeaL If I examined you you would packing your kit within the hour!

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Jul 29 at 2020 5:41 PM

2020-07-29T17:41:25-04:00

It isn't a lie unless you knew you had this heart problem. If you had a pediatrician that told you that you would grow out of it and you believed him, then there isn't a lie. If you were told to monitor this situation as a child or juvinile and you knew you still had this issue when you signed up in the USA, then you may have a problem. I went the other way when I signed up for the Air Force. The question was: Have you ever been airsick? I said yes, since I had barfed in a DC-3 at age 4 while flying in the summer over Wyoming in the afternoon. I was told by the command Flight Surgeon of Air training Command that I did not get airsick on a regular basis and that I was guilty of not knowing how to fill out government forms. I flew for 16 years in the Air Force and am a civilian flight instructor now.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 8:34 AM

2020-07-30T08:34:28-04:00

You need mentorship because to post this on here is like calling the bank and placing and order for a bank robbery it’s not going to end well.

Response by SSG Jesse Cheadle made Jul 30 at 2020 10:37 AM

2020-07-30T10:37:30-04:00

The will now, dumbass.

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Jul 30 at 2020 12:08 PM

2020-07-30T12:08:59-04:00

First, no infantry for you, Son. Second, if you want to be honest, doubt it. Third, ... House said, "People lie." I'd would add it to ", unless a person understand the ramification of the loss that will incur to him/her." So, don't lie. Don't mention it. Don't remember it. And if you able to get in and die from it, don't blame me for it.

Response by CPO Erik Thorsen made Jul 30 at 2020 1:27 PM

2020-07-30T13:27:29-04:00

We are talking about your integrity. Always tell the truth. If you are up front with the truth then it is easier for the military to respond in a positive way. They don't want you to get in a situation where you could be blackmailed if you had a security clearance.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 6:31 PM

2020-07-30T18:31:48-04:00

No one can pull your medical records. If it’s something serious you need to disclose it because training may affect it in a way that’s life threatening.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 10:27 PM

2020-07-30T22:27:36-04:00

If everyone followed MEPS criteria right to the letter with no deviation, we'd really have "An Army of ONE" (maybe 2... Lol)

Response by SPC Najla Switzer made Jul 31 at 2020 9:12 AM

2020-07-31T09:12:21-04:00

I've had a heart murmur my whole life, I spent 10yrs active as well. You need to come clean and tell your recruiter because even if they clear you medically, you have lied and can there will be consequences later.

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Jul 31 at 2020 12:06 PM

2020-07-31T12:06:19-04:00

They may not look through your juvenile medical records, but the security clearance investigators will definitely search through social media and see this.

Response by SSG David Callaway made Jul 31 at 2020 1:12 PM

2020-07-31T13:12:29-04:00

Of course they will look back on it, you might want bring this up before they find out. Had to mentioned it initially, you might have been able to put in for a medical waiver( i haven't been a recruiter for years, I'm not sure if that quailifies for a waiver) now you have lied after you swore that all of your answers were correct. Especially since you admitted to it in a public forum.

Response by SPC Anitra Bailey-Bearfield made Jul 31 at 2020 1:55 PM

2020-07-31T13:55:56-04:00

I had a soldier that I served with that had scoliosis when he enlisted, the knew it but pushed him through but it was never in his medical records but later on he started having very bad back issues so bad that he was medically discharged. You should be honest, if they let you in the let you in if not okay but at least you know you were honest.

Response by MAJ Damajah Arnold made Aug 1 at 2020 8:18 AM

2020-08-01T08:18:47-04:00

If it is determined in the future that you misrepresented a previous condition, your enlistment contract can be invalidated.

Response by SSG David Kaelin made Aug 1 at 2020 10:37 AM

2020-08-01T10:37:56-04:00

I had a heart murmur when I was a kid. Most grow out of it. I didn't say anything about it to my recruiter either because I'd forgotten. When I got to MEPS, they asked me in the physical if I had any heart issues. I vaguely recalled the heart murmur thing from childhood and mentioned it.

The Doc told me that many children have this but grow out of it.

They had me to an EKG and all was fine.

Years later, though, I find out that I have one of those small holes in my heart that will likely kill me if I were to go scuba diving.

Response by SSG Billie Dalton made Aug 2 at 2020 8:28 AM

2020-08-02T08:28:19-04:00

Just be honest, look you enlisted if they found a problem you may have a claim to file at a VA.

Response by SGT Allen Treviranus made Aug 2 at 2020 4:47 PM

2020-08-02T16:47:32-04:00

You’re fine. But imagine having the job of having to bust people out for lying at MEPS. Who would enjoy doing that for a living?

Response by PO3 Steven Fee made Aug 2 at 2020 7:31 PM

2020-08-02T19:31:51-04:00

No you're good I did the same thing

Response by MAJ Brents Pepper made Aug 4 at 2020 10:32 AM

2020-08-04T10:32:18-04:00

I had a heart murmur as a young child. I honestly don't recall being asked about it at MEPS in 1989. A few years later when I had to do another physical for OCS I was asked about any previous heart conditions. For a split second I worried about what it could mean for getting into OCS and then I told them at one time I did. They checked me out and moved me down the line. I don't care how much you want in, there is this thing we have called the Army Values. You don't lie to your superiors or your buddies! You lied for a selfish reason. What are you going to lie about next? And for those that told you to "play dumb". You may need to do some deep thinking about who you are and what kind of advice you will accept and follow from others. You are in for a hard life if you take such bad advice.

Response by MSG Felipe De Leon Brown made Aug 5 at 2020 6:42 PM

2020-08-05T18:42:41-04:00

It's a good probability that you will be asked to leave. Then again, it might not be as serious as you think. I would recommend that you fess up and accept whatever consequences that may come about. Honor and Integrity are virtues that many preach but few are able to live by in their daily life. If you choose to be truthful, you'll be okay.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2020 11:26 AM

2020-09-01T11:26:58-04:00

Well, first thing is you lied. Yeah you came clean here, but this is a partially public forum and now everyone knows you lied. What will you lie about next time it suits you? I personally think they should kick you out, cause you can't be trusted to tell the truth.

On the heart murmur, mine started after duty in Iraq. It was entered in my medical records, but I did not have a profile for it. I don't know your medical condition, only a Doctor can make that decision. If your Command retains you, you'll be a lucky SOB, but my recommendation still stands.

Response by SPC Salvatore LaMarca made Sep 1 at 2020 1:50 PM

2020-09-01T13:50:10-04:00

Dude I know your young and don’t get it, but why the hell would you post this on a public site, take it down and go talk to your recruiter

Response by LCpl Eugene McDonnell made Sep 1 at 2020 4:27 PM

2020-09-01T16:27:00-04:00

Do you want to go to jail for FRAUDULENT ENLISTMENT?

Response by LCDR Joseph Richter made Sep 1 at 2020 6:30 PM

2020-09-01T18:30:28-04:00

I'm a retired Health Administrator and former Corpsman for the Navy. I know for fact that after your murmur is screened then comes the decision. If the murmur is benign, and the service is not concerned with it, then it is likely it will end there, you process in and all is good. If it shows that your murmur is a problem, and you are a risk for the navy then a contract needs to be broken, the service will at that time make an attempt to look back on your records or just point blank ask you again if you had this in your history. Lying about entry information is never a good thing, it is regarded as a fraudulant enlistment and can lead to a felony conviction, the regs are clear on this. You could have had something and dropped dead because of it and nobody would have known the risks. Worse is, you are brand new to the service and one of your first military actions is coupled with a lie for personal gain. That's a bad start for a career. I looked for those kind of things to determine the worth of a new troop and two things I had no tolerance for was lying and stealing. You only get one chance for a first impression. For your health sake, I hope all is well and that it is a simple murmur. Some indicators for a heart murmur that would be a problem would be, Skin that appears blue, especially on your fingertips and lips, Swelling or sudden weight gain, Shortness of breath, Chronic cough, Enlarged liver, Enlarged neck veins, Poor appetite and failure to grow normally (in infants), Heavy sweating with minimal or no exertion, Chest pain, Dizziness, Fainting. If you have any of these things going on, you owe it to yourself and the service to full disclose because if these are missed and you process in, you can find yourself in a position where your life, and maybe the lives of others, are in danger and that would not be good. Great example of how a little white lie can magnify into a mountain of problems. Be honest with people and mostly yourself, it speaks to your character. Thank you for volunteering to serve, I hope everything works out in your favor to do just that.

Response by SGT Jeremy Reese made Sep 1 at 2020 9:47 PM

2020-09-01T21:47:45-04:00

My advice would be to get an examination with a specialist and go from there. Heart murmurs occur for various reasons and one at the age of 6 was a long time ago, I doubt you remember all of the specifics. You'll most likely clear with the cardiologist, there is no single massive database of health records yet. No one is perfectly honest and human memory is fuzzy, so I would give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you think it is of concern, speak to your recruiter candidly and explain the situation, at most you may need a waiver.

Response by SPC Karl Goldtooth made Sep 1 at 2020 10:39 PM

2020-09-01T22:39:52-04:00

Make it past 180 days and document each time you go to sick call.

Response by SP6 Bruce Kellar made Sep 2 at 2020 10:25 AM

2020-09-02T10:25:06-04:00

50 years ago I know for certain that whatever the final decision is, that's it unless you continue with the malady once your in. Then you will get an undesirable discharge-no big deal. I have never had anyone ask about my military service, anywhere, anytime except at the VA for bullet damage.

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Sep 2 at 2020 1:02 PM

2020-09-02T13:02:15-04:00

Yes they will look at the medical files. That said you need to be honest and explain this to your recruiter. He will understand that you really want to join, if it is as minor as the doctor said then this will not stop you from joining though it might limit your choices of MOS. A heart murmur is when a heart valve doesn’t close. This can cause a lower oxygen level. So heavy exertion can lead to a heart attack. If that happens it is possible for the Army to void out your contract because you lied. Not only would you be chaptered but you would have to pay back any money paid from a false enlistment. Better to be honest now than to face that latter.

Response by CPO Jarod Todd "Bull" Foreman made Sep 3 at 2020 5:35 PM

2020-09-03T17:35:14-04:00

Among many other things, I was a legal officer and an administrative job ('rating') in the Navy. My Captain, and then later myself, always referred those soldiers/sailors/airmen/marines/coastguardsmen and women, who had a repetitive pattern of missing PT (i.e., anything that brings you this kind of 'what the ...' attention is not good; missing PT or a whole workday for days and weeks on end is just one of the many examples), to review their medical and dental records. And consistently opting for 'sick call' for an illness that is suspiciously constant, or some other person mentions seeing this 'sick' person out and about, could and would also cause me to, or have my commander have me, review their medical and dental records. Or, I would request a physician at the base's MTF to please look into any known or similar ailments the soldier mentioned at their MEPS delayed entry physical and then their MEPS shipping or ship day, boot camp day, physicals. Any inconsistencies prompted two things: first: with concurrence from the MTF's treating physician, we'd verify the member had this before entry and failed to disclose it; or, second: a pattern of misconduct and providing false statements (i.e., both charges [misconduct; false statements] can come from the lack of disclosing all known medical ailments at your exams) can cause a member to face punitive or non-punitive measures (this means either a court-martial or an Article 15 hearing). We would also pursue the separation of this member (soldier) via a variety of methods (i.e., mainly administrative separation and an OTH characterization of service on the DD-214). I strongly urge you to disclose your previously undisclosed but known issue. My last tenure or duty station was as the Chief Liaison and Enlisted Classifier at MEPS in Spokane. I assure you, it can come up to haunt you in your future if it doesn't spring up at your shipping date (or the day you swear in a second time and fly out to boot camp). I am a Navy Chief, so we call it ship date or 'shipping date.' - Thank you. "You do what's right because it's the right thing to do." P.S. So far, my peers' comments, and yours, in all ranks, and on the Enlisted and Officer side favor disclosing the full truth. I will say, based on real and first-hand experience working with recruiting and inside MEPS, it will not go over well when you are honest because the recruiter will need to get the paperwork. But, if you wait until your 'shipping day' and then disclose it, you will most likely be in serious and turbulent water with your recruiter's CSM (or CMC, CMDCM, or just 'TOP'), Division/Squad/Platoon Officer, and possibly the Commander him-/her-self. Be honest and committed to such; it's how you shoot straight and how to serve with HONOR.

Response by SFC William Ramsey made Sep 4 at 2020 3:44 PM

2020-09-04T15:44:47-04:00

I understand this was published over a year ago but I am generally always late to the party... LOL
1. Unless authorized to do so, which you would have to allow them to (i.e. you would have to grant them permission to by signing something) look into your records when you were a minor.
2. Unless they have reason to ask for permission they generally dont look into records prior to your enlistment that are not tied to education, and criminal history.
3. To emphasize what LTC Jason Mackay said THIS IS A PUBLIC WEB SITE AND YOU JUST MADE A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT YOU LIED TO THE GOVERNMENT TO GAIN ENTRY INTO THE MILITARY.
4. Probably nothing will come of this regardless, but you should think more in the future before you say things on an open network.

Response by SFC Michael Pemberton made Sep 4 at 2020 5:08 PM

2020-09-04T17:08:08-04:00

I completed my physical for the US Air Force in October 1968 at Fort Hayes, Ohio. I reported for basic training shortly after at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. We went through uniform issue, set up housekeeping, and had a couple of days to get acclimated. Then the day came when the entire squadron marched out by flights for PT. The PT uniform was combat boots, utility uniform trousers, and t-shirt. Our tunics and head cover were placed neatly on the ground. We did not run in formation. The first day my flight of newbies was assigned to run one complete circuit on the 1/4 mile track. A couple of days later that was increased to two circuits as our conditioning improved. There were always stragglers and those who could not complete the course.
There were always ambulances and medics on site to attend to those who fell out or passed out. Our third Saturday we were up to running four circuits, one mile. It was a particularly warm and humid day. The squadron began the run. It wasn't too long before the first troop fell on the track and was evacuated via ambulance to the hospital 1/2 mile away. Before the first ambulance had returned, the second ambulance left with another troop. When the first ambulance returned it was loaded with a third troop. They made eight runs that morning for dehydration, exhaustion, and heart attacks. Eight went to the hospital, four came back, and two died of heart attacks. We lost on average one man a day, six days a week, for the first three weeks of training due to physical training and medical conditions.
Asthma, allergies, heart murmurs, and other conditions are no joke. You could say that they are "as serious as a heart attack". I applaud your willingness to serve, but it isn't worth becoming a statistic. I went on to complete Canadian Forces basic twelve years later, and U S Army basic sixteen years later at 34 years of age. I saw the pattern of highly motivated people betting their lives and losing every time. Don't do it.

Response by John H Green Jr made Sep 5 at 2020 1:33 PM

2020-09-05T13:33:25-04:00

Dude, really? This isn't the kind of thing to post on the internet.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Sep 6 at 2020 5:52 AM

2020-09-06T05:52:02-04:00

If you had not wrote this post, I would say probably. But since you ratted yourself out, I say DEFINITELY.

Response by SSG Scott Kennard made Sep 6 at 2020 7:03 AM

2020-09-06T07:03:29-04:00

What this all really comes down to is not whether this young person is fit for duty, that is for the Army medical staff to decide, but their character. Did they misconstrue what doctors told them when they were a child to get into a branch of service? Depends on their motives. Did they do it for the sole purpose of donning the uniform to serve in our great military? Or were some truths omitted in order to serve and then file a disability claim on down the line for the condition? Only this young person knows what their intentions were. What is plain to see is that their good character has come out and shows that they have a conscience for right and wrong. If they didn't care or were really trying to defraud the system the question would never have be put on this site. My advice, along with so many others would be to disclose what you do know. Start your careers off on the correct foot and don't go into something that blemishes your sacrifice and service. Recruiters we love em' but they can be manipulative, and sometimes have folks "forget" certain things so they can them into service. Honesty is the best policy. Have people gotten screwed over from telling the truth? Sure we all have, but I would rather be screwed by the truth than by a lie. So if Dr. Sawbones says the kid is G2G then let them take up arms. If they are not, or know for a fact they are not, then I would tell them that their are other avenues to take to serve our great nation. I've seen folks that had alot of heart but couldn't meet the standard. There are standards for a reason. To keep people alive and complete the mission.

*Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Honor, Selfless Service, Integrity, and Courage. We know them. We taught them. Hopefully some of us practiced them. Speak your mind in a respectable fashion, and honor your fellow service member or veteran while doing so. We all wear or have worn the uniform. One team, One fight.

Response by SFC Charles Dennis made Sep 6 at 2020 8:10 AM

2020-09-06T08:10:18-04:00

They will now! It's called a fraudulent enlistment!

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Sep 6 at 2020 7:29 PM

2020-09-06T19:29:24-04:00

Why do you have to go to a cardiologist if they didn't find it at MEPS? If you grew out of it when you were younger, than its no problem. If you still have it, it limits where the military can place you, if you are accepted. If you out and out lied and it is discovered, kiss your military career good-by. If you are let 'in' and they find out you lied, you'll be put out.
Lots of people have murmurs and it never effects them, others have problems throughout thier lives. I will not attempt to diagnose your murmur, but the doctors will.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2020 8:40 AM

2020-09-09T08:40:39-04:00

They wouldn’t have found out but now they will you basically just told on your self

Response by LCpl Benjamin Walker made Sep 9 at 2020 11:27 AM

2020-09-09T11:27:38-04:00

Well, now they know. You have to be smarter than to admit that on a public forum.

Response by SPC Peter Kirk made Oct 10 at 2020 8:26 PM

2020-10-10T20:26:01-04:00

In the adult world, lying has consequences young man. Good luck in your future endeavors.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2020 11:09 AM

2020-10-11T11:09:44-04:00

Sometimes I am baffled at the levels of stupidity people might reach... “What starts with a lie, it’s doomed to fail” -Anonimous-

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Oct 11 at 2020 1:59 PM

2020-10-11T13:59:24-04:00

Well, if you did, and no one knew, they certainly do now.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 11 at 2020 7:03 PM

2020-10-11T19:03:01-04:00

You do understand this a public website and assuming you used your real name it won't be hard for the military to figure out who you are and deal with the situation, talk to your recruiter about this asap, and it be wise to delete this post

Response by SSG Jeff Beltran made Oct 11 at 2020 7:15 PM

2020-10-11T19:15:57-04:00

I think he could have used better discretion and disclosure rather than discuss his personal health issues on a public forum by using more research and consultation and understanding the HIPPAA confidentiality and its rules. I know that there some military recruits, who had personal issues or health issues that MEPS did not pick up and it came up later and I do believe that MEPS makes it clearly known about the repercussions and consequence's about hiding any of your medical and personal history that could immediately dismiss the military recruit regardless of where they are at in the training process. I believe most non threatening medical and personal issues are waivered as per MEPS guidelines for the military recruit. We all know that MEPS is just the first of many screening process for military inductees and recruits and it is not a perfect system in disqualifying those who get caught later with those same medical or personal issues that could effect that military recruits training and their units gains and losses roster later on.

Response by CSM Tim Bebus made Oct 11 at 2020 7:30 PM

2020-10-11T19:30:32-04:00

I agree with previous comments. I will tell you how this will go. First MEPS does not have access to your medical records, so it really doesn't matter what they say about your murmer because they found it during your physical. Secondly it does not matter what the civilian doctor says on your consult, the MEPS doctor is going to disqualify you. Lastly your recruiter will submit a medical waiver to the branch you are applying for and at that time you will have to submit all previous medical records on this condition. I will close with this, they already know you lied which almost every person who goes through MEPS does. What MEPS commander will do at this point is investigate your recruiter to see if he or she advised you to lie.

Response by SGT Johnathan Colton made Oct 11 at 2020 11:13 PM

2020-10-11T23:13:30-04:00

Look everyone lies at meps. Hell I lied when I said I only tried pot a couple of times

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Oct 12 at 2020 10:47 AM

2020-10-12T10:47:23-04:00

IF THEY HAVE NOT, THEN THEY SURE WILL NOW.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Oct 12 at 2020 10:48 AM

2020-10-12T10:48:56-04:00

I HAD A HEART MURMUR, AND THEY TOOK ME IN THE 1969 DRAFT.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 12 at 2020 11:30 AM

2020-10-12T11:30:45-04:00

Forrest Gump never asked stupid questions like this and he served

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Oct 12 at 2020 7:26 PM

2020-10-12T19:26:02-04:00

There is a story that Eddie Rickenbacker had less than perfect visual acuity on one side. Short story, he was almost blind in one eye. He passed the eye test by memorizing the chart.

Another example (non-recruiting) is Chuck Yeager. The day before his flight, where he broke the sound barrier in the X-1, he rode his horse, and was thrown off. He broke a rib, maybe more than one. He didn't tell anybody. His Engineer, Jack Ridley, cut off a piece of broomstick so that Chuck could close the hatch of the X-1 with his good arm. He flew into history that way.

There are only two examples of people who were not completely honest with their physical condition. (I know about Chuck; Eddie, I'm not sure so somebody could correct me.)

Think of these examples. Do your best from this moment on. Strive to be as good as Rickenbacker and Yeager.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2020 4:51 PM

2020-10-13T16:51:17-04:00

So the question is are you afraid they will boot you before you could get in to get that sweet Mil insurance or are you genuinely afraid for your military career? If it's your career then yes, they will find it, for example you apply to go Warrant to fly copters for the Army. Those flight Nurse's and Doc's will tear thru your past and present medical records to make sure your a GO before you step foot into class, same nurses will do the same for SF physicals.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2020 8:38 PM

2020-10-13T20:38:12-04:00

don’t waive your HIPA right and they can’t find shit.

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Oct 14 at 2020 12:14 AM

2020-10-14T00:14:53-04:00

Did you actually deny having it at MEPS? During Basic Training we had a guy going for a specialty that required a flight physical. That physical was done shortly before graduation and it uncovered a heart murmur that he was unaware of. He was IMMEDIATELY pulled out of training and put on casual status awaiting an entry level separation.

He was fighting the discharge on the grounds a) He was unaware of the Heart Murmur, and b) If he did not pick a flight carrier filed they would have never have had a problem. I saw him at the rec center a few days before graduation. He was still fighting to stay in. I don't know what happened to him after that, because a few days later I was on a bus to Keesler AFB to attend tech school

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Oct 14 at 2020 12:12 PM

2020-10-14T12:12:33-04:00

Six years old it was found, now have you had any issues since? Do you have a 18 scar on your chest? Don't worry. QUESTION: Have you had any heart issues? ANSWER: No, I ever had any issues in school and never took medicine [IF IT IS TRUE].

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Oct 14 at 2020 1:08 PM

2020-10-14T13:08:03-04:00

Not unless it is something major, like asthma or diabetes, or an old injury that will prevent you from taking the pt test or deploying.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Oct 14 at 2020 1:16 PM

2020-10-14T13:16:44-04:00

They didn't find it at MEPS, you have an appointment with a cardiologist, what he says will be final. If he clears you, take the clearance with you to Reception.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Oct 14 at 2020 1:25 PM

2020-10-14T13:25:49-04:00

There are Core Values with each Military Branch. One is usually honesty.

Response by SFC Ernesto Rowe made Oct 15 at 2020 8:59 PM

2020-10-15T20:59:53-04:00

Why would you post this on a public site? You are either stupid or trying to either trapped someone or just want someone attention.

Response by SGT Thomas Labine made Oct 15 at 2020 11:26 PM

2020-10-15T23:26:16-04:00

yes!!!

Response by SGT Javier Silva made Oct 16 at 2020 12:26 AM

2020-10-16T00:26:56-04:00

I'm a little, ok a lot, late to this party, but I want to you understand this. When you join the military, all those documents you signed with your recruiter, even before you sign your contract, are different information release forms (from credit to medical). If they do pull your old medical records, and find it, you can play dumb BUT just like LTC Jason Mackay stated this is a public forum, and it is now on the internets forever. If you sign your contract, and they find out after the fact, you can be charged with fraudulent enlistment. DO NOT be like people who have issues and don't tell anyone, they will come out at some point in your career. You need to be as honest as possible, and if that makes you ineligible, just know it is best for you.

Response by SPC Shawn Armstead made Oct 16 at 2020 10:21 AM

2020-10-16T10:21:32-04:00

Of course especially if they know about it. Even if you did make it in and something go wrong with your heart that causes you unfit get ready for the backlash

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2020 12:16 PM

2020-10-16T12:16:19-04:00

A year ago ....wonder if this dude made it...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2020 12:36 PM

2020-10-16T12:36:49-04:00

There are a lot of things that you should do for yourself, not anyone or anything else; exercise and proper nutrition to name a few. Military service is about selfless-service. Your brothers and sisters in arms are depending on you to perform your job functions, often requiring things outside of those. I recommend pursuing the waiver. If serving your country in uniform is your plan A, have plans B, C, and D. Move to plan B if your condition still exists and precludes you from serving. I hope both your secondary and tertiary plans include learning a trade and higher education. Give it your honest best and live free of regret and repercussion.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2020 1:31 PM

2020-10-16T13:31:50-04:00

How can they possibly know that you lied? Who at the age of 6 remembers having a heart murmur? Honestly you should have just been forward with the information. If the murmur isn't that debilitating they would grant you an entry waiver. I know I got one to enter.

Response by SFC Tim OReilly made Oct 16 at 2020 6:30 PM

2020-10-16T18:30:27-04:00

Welcome to the club of growing up. My son was told to lie about his asthma by a recruiter ... he didn't, good for him. Now for you, going forward make it a habit to tell the truth. If the doctor gives you a go, then congrats, if there are caveats, stay with them. If you get told you're a no go, well thems the breaks. Whatever, the main thing for you to take away from this is integrity, always hold to it.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2020 5:11 AM

2020-10-17T05:11:27-04:00

"Honesty is always the best policy" The military is built on core values. Don't start a career built on dishonesty. The fact that you are asking shows your character. Go back and talk to your Recruiter. Be honest. Best of luck!

Response by SSgt Nicholas Merchant made Oct 17 at 2020 8:42 AM

2020-10-17T08:42:16-04:00

First I know you're not seriously dumb enough as to go onto A military website and openly admit to fraudulent enlistment. I mean you realise honor and integrity are the very things that are the backbone to any branch these aren't just words or a rally cry. So I'm gonna cry BS on this its one of 3 things either you want to get caught so you don't have to go, or you're trying to find out if others did this as an investigator of some sort, or 3 you really are this stupid. Here's what ill tell you many people lie at Mel's for various different reasons. Its their body they know the risks, but you don't openly go announce a felony now any advice given is an accomplice. My advice now tell your recruiter do what he'

Response by CPL Rob Hansen made Oct 17 at 2020 5:01 PM

2020-10-17T17:01:58-04:00

This is actually a funny story. My father was a Vietnam war hero type. As a physician he was a graduate of one of the first classes at the JFK Special Warfare School. He did two tours and came back with a promotion and a chest full of real medals bronze star, legion of merit etc. he was also a major at that point. Remember he started as a captain because he was an md. Anyway I’m going to cut this short my senior year of college the amry came to my at school and offered me a job in intelligence. I had published research in my field and I was seventh day Adventist. Back then they liked conservative Christian types, I wasn’t really one. I had me no training so I had to go through basic training just like anyone but I had one problem. I had asthma. So my dad had his pharmacist fill cologne and mouthwash bottles with various medications all of which made me weak as a cat. During basic training I was so afraid of being thrown out I abused these drugs making the side effects even worse do bad that they were about to throw me out. Consequently I ran out of the medication rather quickly. I remember passing the drill instructors table one day where I heard them talking about me. One of them actually said all that California boy needed was three meals a day and some exercise and look at him now. I still laugh about that finish basic training drug free and realized I probably had out grown my asthma years ago.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2020 5:14 AM

2020-10-18T05:14:27-04:00

First, let you chain of command know. It won't change you military status, but will help you morally become a better person. Second, military medical can't even keep track of their own medical records, they aren't going to dig through your civilian record. In fact your medical records from when you where six have most likely been destroyed.

Response by SGT David Hilton made Oct 18 at 2020 10:07 AM

2020-10-18T10:07:03-04:00

Do they already know about those medical records? If not, they might know now that you've posted this online.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2020 3:21 PM

2020-10-18T15:21:18-04:00

Probably not the smartest move to admit that on a public Military platform, but I won't hold it against you for being young and nieve. As others have stated you aren't the first enlistee to lie at MEPS and you definitely won't be the last. Human beings lie it's what we do, just take what you can from this situation and learn from it. I also enlisted with a heart murmur and have been running circles around formations since I was a Private so don't worry it won't hinder you physically. And don't worry about the individuals who are attacking your character, because I'm willing to bet they also withheld some truths when they enlisted. Those same individuals will tell even more lies when its time to leave the Military in order to try squeeze every penny from the VA. Good luck with your enlistment.

Response by SSG Anthony Richmond made Oct 18 at 2020 5:51 PM

2020-10-18T17:51:16-04:00

If you really want to join, dont say anything, if your having second thoughts about joining o looking for a way out. Tell the doctor the truth. Not everyone in the military is honest..
Even tho they may portray it that way

Response by SSG Elyzabeth Cromer made Oct 19 at 2020 2:53 AM

2020-10-19T02:53:51-04:00

How many other things did you have at age six that you were told you would grow out of? If they had found any of those things that you also thought you grew out of, you would be feeling guilty about one of those now. I worked in the medical field preparing boards and on the subject of fraudulent enlistment a JAG Colonel told me; if the issue you lied about is waiverable (especialy you may not have intended to lie, e.g. you thought you no longer had the issue or forgot) that it is not generally considered a fraudulent enlistment. So go to the cardiologist and take it from there.

Response by Cpl Andrew Talbert made Oct 19 at 2020 8:37 AM

2020-10-19T08:37:30-04:00

Haha yeah it's a problem. Especially since it's reasonable to assume that's your legal name. OPSEC my dude.

Response by SGT Warren Crutcher made Oct 19 at 2020 12:19 PM

2020-10-19T12:19:08-04:00

When I went through the MEPs process they told me i had a heart murmur. I went to a Cardiologist and he said it was not a murmur. MEOs mis diagnosed ne. My heart was slighly posisioned differerently than most people and was no big deal. He wrote a letter to them and they continued the process. But in your case and in all cases Honesty is always the best policy. Go back and own your mistake. Like me, Yours could also be a misdiagnosis. Medicine has come a long way in a short time.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2020 2:05 PM

2020-10-19T14:05:37-04:00

Well admitting to it here wasn’t the best call .

Response by Garratte Guyton made Oct 19 at 2020 4:52 PM

2020-10-19T16:52:16-04:00

Honestly? Youre probably going to federal prison when they find out, not if but when.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2020 5:40 PM

2020-10-19T17:40:14-04:00

Eh, the recruiter probably lied to you too.

Response by SrA Benjamin Hunt made Oct 19 at 2020 9:48 PM

2020-10-19T21:48:01-04:00

If you are a recruit, it may be best to go back and tell them. Basic training is very difficult, and you don't want them to discover the problem when wondering why you can't keep up with the others.

Response by LCDR William Higgins [LION1000+] made Oct 20 at 2020 1:09 PM

2020-10-20T13:09:42-04:00

There was a sailor on USS Boston who also lies about a prior heart condition. He DIED a heart attack on board, even though the ship immediately surfaced, then contacted the carrier we were with for an evacuation. I had yet to report to the ship but had to be the officer in charge of the non-deployed ships crew at his funeral and burial.

Response by PV2 Bob Ondown made Oct 21 at 2020 2:06 AM

2020-10-21T02:06:58-04:00

Politicians lie all the time, nothing happens to them. Everyone lies.
If you did not see a diagnosis on paper, of a murmur, when you were younger, I wouldn't worry about it.
Damn, I just noticed this thread is a year old. Did you get in?

Response by SFC Terrell Cunningham made Oct 22 at 2020 11:52 AM

2020-10-22T11:52:17-04:00

While doing the claims for VA I run across so many fraud enlistments it’s pathetic and then they try to claim VA benefits for them! Your medical records will requested and you have probably already told your physician that’s it was diagnosed prior. So yes those records will come out and you won’t get benefits for it. But right now the VA is considered a 3rd party and we cannot report fraudulent enlistment!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 9:06 AM

2020-10-23T09:06:55-04:00

Well, now that quite a few people know (wether that was your intention or not) I suggest you go back to your recruiter before MEPS or someone else does and tell them the truth before things get out of hand.

Response by TSgt John Burres made Oct 23 at 2020 1:07 PM

2020-10-23T13:07:26-04:00

Well, I don't think posting it here is real great idea. Maybe you should have just kept your mouth shut and let the hips fall where they fall.

Response by PFC Bret Lewis made Oct 23 at 2020 1:48 PM

2020-10-23T13:48:29-04:00

Duh

Response by SPC Ted Heath made Oct 23 at 2020 9:49 PM

2020-10-23T21:49:22-04:00

When I went to MEPS, it was an all day physical. Apparently they wanted to make sure I was fit for duty. I assume they still do. If you pass, you pass. If you don’t, you won’t. They do their own physicals because, guess what? People lie. Some used to lie trying to get out of the draft. Some lie to get in. I don’t think anyone would expect you to remember what you were told at 6. Let the doctors decide. It’s their job. Don’t fret. What is meant to be will be.

Response by SSG Karsten Anderson made Oct 25 at 2020 7:26 PM

2020-10-25T19:26:13-04:00

Guys used to lie about age to get into the military. Some were found out others were not. Many of them not only served but served with distinction.

In your case, it sounds like the MEPS exam discovered the potential problem anyway. If it’s really bothering you, make the correction to the record. If MEPS clears you, you’ll be able to enlist. If MEPS doesn’t clear you, you won’t be able to enlist. At this time, I don’t see that your “lie” will matter.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Oct 26 at 2020 2:59 PM

2020-10-26T14:59:40-04:00

I hope they do!

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Nov 14 at 2020 7:02 PM

2020-11-14T19:02:52-05:00

Not likely . No need for it . It was discovered and reported by medical staff at meps . And their evaluation is what they are going to be looking at .

Response by Sgt Kelli Pollard made Nov 16 at 2020 7:25 PM

2020-11-16T19:25:40-05:00

Too funny, not to bright,definitely should not be in our military

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Nov 16 at 2020 8:03 PM

2020-11-16T20:03:44-05:00

Ooooh boy..... so I’m not going to bust your chops because I understand you want to serve and that is admirable, I get it.

They aren’t going to go back in your records. So don’t even worry about that. So let’s address the larger issue at hand. The military has a real problem right now and that problem is lack of integrity.

Integrity is a choice.... you choose to be honest and do the right thing or you choose not too. If you push yourself to be honest and stand for what is right with little things it’s easier with the hard things.

You are choosing to be an American Soldier that is not just a paycheck for your time. It’s not a job description. It’s a way of life, we stand on principles and integrity ...... or at least some of us still do. So now you need to ask yourself what are your principles and do they mesh with those of us you will serve beside.

Response by PO2 Stephen McKean made Nov 16 at 2020 11:33 PM

2020-11-16T23:33:09-05:00

Apart from being on a public venue... that aside. If it's not causing you grief, or problems now I would not worry about it. I ran four years of track and cross country, found out by chance my senior year I had a valve issue with my heart but it was so benign it never caused me problems and I never mentioned it at MEPS, frankly I forgot about it. I served 8 years.

Response by PO2 Stephen McKean made Nov 16 at 2020 11:40 PM

2020-11-16T23:40:09-05:00

I broke my arm above the elbow joint, broke both wrists, surgery on one. They let me in. Since it was super early in your life dont sweat it and as others say, play negligent to it. The truth will out when the EKG comes back. They let me in and I never told them about my heart condition, the dr had full access to my records and didnt say anything but my condition was benign until I get old. There were people at boot with freaking holes in their hearts that became a problem they didnt know about. At that point the Navy has invested in you. At no point do you falter in your determination to serve, military gets a giant boner over stuff like that as it shows leadership potential.

Response by PO1 John Hungerford made Nov 17 at 2020 4:10 PM

2020-11-17T16:10:52-05:00

I have a murmur and had a nice career in the USN. Should not be an issue.

Response by SSgt Steven Stone made Nov 17 at 2020 4:17 PM

2020-11-17T16:17:42-05:00

The question you should be asking is “Where’s my integrity?” You do realize you just admitted you are a liar in an open and public forum right? So much for core values....smh

Response by CPT Brock Young made Nov 18 at 2020 1:06 AM

2020-11-18T01:06:43-05:00

For the sake if the tax payer layer I hope they do. Too many frauds make it through and then blame the service for their problems, thus obligating the government, e.g. the tax payer, to pay for them forever.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2020 12:26 PM

2020-11-18T12:26:28-05:00

The short answer is that they may be able to see the record if it is documented in an Electronic Health Record. They have access to a viewer that is connected to over 17000 civilian healthcare partners.

Response by PO3 Robert Harke made Nov 18 at 2020 3:20 PM

2020-11-18T15:20:21-05:00

admitting you knowingly lied or were poorly diagnosed are different things. not a great place to openly admit you lied EVER. a murmur is not a dire diagnosis or prognosis either way. getting a through and proper evaluation for it then let the chips fall where they may. many people have far worse things but when talking about career and future know the facts about any condition and move forward. many kids were mother diagnosed or doctor diagnosed and come to find out its not relevant right now. good luck

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Nov 18 at 2020 4:00 PM

2020-11-18T16:00:31-05:00

I'm pretty confident they'll learn about it at basic training/boot camp!

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Nov 18 at 2020 4:52 PM

2020-11-18T16:52:10-05:00

Integrity is important in our military. You should admit your prevarication and face the consequences as a man. The taxpayers should not have to pay if your pre-existing condition causes you to suffer a disability and be medically discharged. Your condition also could cause your battle buddies to lose their lives should you suffer and fall out in a combat situation.

Response by SSG Bill Cooke made Nov 18 at 2020 10:23 PM

2020-11-18T22:23:25-05:00

First let the medical people tell you what they find. If nothing no worries. If something tell everything

Response by PFC Gladys LeBlanc made Nov 19 at 2020 12:04 AM

2020-11-19T00:04:51-05:00

i had a heart murmur all of my life. i don't know if they changed the rules, but in the 70's, it didn't keep me out

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2020 9:46 AM

2020-11-19T09:46:46-05:00

You can be separated for fraudulent enlistment (lie). This is if your recruiter wants to do the work. If they keep you, a medical evaluation will be done on you to determined if you’re fit for duty or not. I just has a Soldier go through this. So it can go both ways.

Response by SPC Damone Newman made Nov 19 at 2020 12:36 PM

2020-11-19T12:36:03-05:00

I have a similar story. I told my recruiter that I never used marijuana, but that was a lie. At the time I was a young man desperately trying to get away from negative influences in my home town. People who told me I would never amount to anything.
I started reading the Bible around that time, and
something deep inside me compelled tell the truth.
When I arrived at the MEPS in Portland I immediately told the doctor that. I had smoked weed before.
At first he seemed angry, and I thought I would never be a soldier. But then his faced changed and he told me I was a very brave young man and gave me a waiver.
If you look at my Army medical record it states that I used marijuana over 100 times.

I served 9 years will serving, but they tested me like no other Human being in the world, but I never regretted telling the truth.
You need to be able to tell the truth even when it might hurt if you want to be a real man.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2020 1:37 PM

2020-11-19T13:37:27-05:00

The cardiologist will have the final say. They found it at MEPS, so it doesn't really matter what you told them initially. They will make a determination on your fitness based on the cardiologist report. If you're good, you're in. If not, well, thanks for trying. You really should have been honest about it up front, but that's probably not going to disqualify you. If you knew what some other recruits lie about, you'd know that "forgetting" a little medical history is small change. The guy in the bunk across from me in Basic had been chaptered out of the Army very early in his career. He reenlisted under another name, and had almost made it to AIT before getting caught. Guy in another platoon was picked up by the FBI for bank robbery. Technically, he didn't lie because he didn't have a conviction yet, but...
Good luck with the cardiologist, and be forthright with your history from now on!

Response by CMSgt Lloyd French made Nov 19 at 2020 4:30 PM

2020-11-19T16:30:18-05:00

You've already lifted your skirt WAY over your head, so keeping your mouth shut is off the list of options. Your "peril" is that any health issue you have. that can be traced to your pre-service condition, will not be considered "service connected" ... you should see what impact it might have on your SGLI payout, too. The truth will set you free, but I imagine many of us have things hidden in our past that--if known--would paint some unwanted picture instead of a portrait of who we really are as a person and contributor.

Response by CPL D’Angelo King made Nov 19 at 2020 11:12 PM

2020-11-19T23:12:24-05:00

Yeaaa, you’re doomed for even posting this, but you never know, it could end well. Good luck soldier!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-12-19T10:26:27-05:00

Wow, I realize I haven’t participated on this forum for quite some time but it seems things have drastically changed. As for the original poster, people lie all the time at MEPS. Contrary to popular belief, it happens all the time. You were told something well over a decade ago and haven’t had issues since. Was it wrong to omit the truth, absolutely! Does everyone always tell the truth, absolutely not! Going forward, I would submit to you that honesty with the medical professionals is a must. They should know what’s going on with you for your own sake. This is your life and something small like a HM may end up becoming more serious later. As for everyone, keep your medical ailments to yourself. There’s this thing called HIPAA you should read up on. No one needs to know anything about your medical history other than your physician. Best of luck to you and your career!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2020 8:37 PM

2020-12-19T20:37:05-05:00

IDK. Ask USMEPCOM

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2020 8:39 PM

2020-12-19T20:39:57-05:00

If I'm not mistaken MEPS is the first enlistment and it would have only been applicable to your first enlistment. There is a reason certain things ask if something has occurred in your current enlistment.. Your fraudulent enlistment would've been the 1st only. That is just a best guess though.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Dec 20 at 2020 4:09 PM

2020-12-20T16:09:44-05:00

If they’re weren’t now they sure are!!!!!

Response by MSgt Walter Clack made Dec 20 at 2020 4:27 PM

2020-12-20T16:27:43-05:00

Actually the big issue here is not what They will do, but what are You going to do. The CSM made a good point. Come clean, admit your mistake, and own up to it. Growth only comes through proper action, even when said action may be painful. Many of Us have had indiscretions in our life. The measure of person is decided by either making excuses or taking responsibility. I have heard it stated as doing the next right thing. Semper Fi

Response by SPC Matthew Errickson made Dec 21 at 2020 12:20 AM

2020-12-21T00:20:53-05:00

Well all I got to say that was not very bright of you!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2020 2:18 PM

2020-12-21T14:18:46-05:00

WTF

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2020 5:47 PM

2020-12-21T17:47:53-05:00

If everyone told the truth at MEPs, there wouldn’t be anyone in the military.

Response by GySgt W Graham made Dec 21 at 2020 7:02 PM

2020-12-21T19:02:35-05:00

"Play dumb"..... your not playing dumb, that is dumb. Hope your Recruiter didn't "play dumb" because this could come back on them. Got some splainnin to do.....

Response by CPL Sharon Fahey made Dec 22 at 2020 10:32 AM

2020-12-22T10:32:01-05:00

Response by CSM David Porterfield made Dec 22 at 2020 1:26 PM

2020-12-22T13:26:42-05:00

Just because you were "told you had a heart murmer" as a kid doesn't necessarily mean you did. A lot of recruits show up to MEPS saying "my mom said I had _______ when I was a kid" and get disqualified when they never actually had anything wrong. They'll never find out BUT the Army does have values you need to follow.

Response by SFC Jorge Rosario made Dec 27 at 2020 11:10 AM

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Response by PFC Bobby Smith made Jan 11 at 2021 1:52 AM

2021-01-11T01:52:35-05:00

yes they will

Response by SGT Robert Martin made Jan 13 at 2021 10:44 AM

2021-01-13T10:44:02-05:00

You know you just took an oversight that nobody would have cared about and in a single post turned it into a felony right????

Response by SGT Mark Rhodes made Jan 13 at 2021 2:16 PM

2021-01-13T14:16:58-05:00

I don’t understand why you would try to hide something like this to begin with and the lie or act dumb when it came out. I know we all do dumb things when we are young but this just made you look like a liar and you put that on a public forum.

Response by CPT Mike Sims made Jan 18 at 2021 4:47 PM

2021-01-18T16:47:37-05:00

John, first and foremost... you didn't lie -.so quit saying that and get out of the habit of saying that. Now, did you speak knowledgably about a topic for which you are not qualified??? No... you are NOT a doctor and you cannot be held responsible to know what is or is not wrong with your body to disqualify you from a military fitness for duty physical exam, nor can you be held to attest to an examination that was conducted on you at 6 years of age, and a test conducted on you at 6 years old may not be the same standard today in order to determine the accuracy of the examination conducted back then.

What you have done is what is known as "southern guilt" or "Christian burden" - where people normally raised in the South or as a Christian or both - often feeling unecessarily guilty for words or actions that really didn't harm anyone and with no intent to harm anyone. So, what is your intent here... it's trying to serve your country, which is honorable- and if your cardiologist says your OK here soon, then you will be able to stand tall amongst the rank and file of America's recruits - ready to answer the call of duty and service to our nation. What if it doesn't work out, well, let me at least say thank you for trying - because in today's time we have so many young Americans who despise our country, our flag, our national anthem - that it makes me feel good to see someone like you at least willing to serve our country.

In closing, I have met quite a few WWII Veterans who lied about their age to get into the military... some were as young as 14! There's actually a story about a Navy Veteran who got in at the age of 13! Do you know what we call these men for the service to our nation... they are not called liars - they are called Heroes!

Good Luck!

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made Jan 19 at 2021 12:03 AM

2021-01-19T00:03:19-05:00

As a former recruiter. Shut your f***ing cake hole. Go through the cardiology work up, play dumb and move on.

Response by SrA Roy "Abby" Abernathy made Jan 19 at 2021 12:52 PM

2021-01-19T12:52:57-05:00

I know a close friend who did this same thing and didn't even need to get a waiver from a cardiologist. He just explained that he'd played football, ran 5k's, etc. and never had an issue with it. Doc took a note of it but let them through.

Response by CPT Robert Blatherwick made Jan 19 at 2021 4:20 PM

2021-01-19T16:20:22-05:00

I tried to join the USMC but was disqualified because of a dislocated shoulder. So, I "forget" to tell the army about it and got into Special Forces and spent three years in RVN. I have no problem with a little lie of omission in anyone's desire to serve.

Response by Col Tri Trinh made Jan 19 at 2021 10:05 PM

2021-01-19T22:05:01-05:00

You know what’s right and wrong. Do what’s right. Medical policies are in place for a reason, to protect the individual and the force.

Response by SSG Christopher Bain made Jan 20 at 2021 1:34 AM

2021-01-20T01:34:57-05:00

Well my son had a heart murmur when he was born and it no longer exist because it grew over and the doctor said he is good to go!!!!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2021 7:40 AM

2021-01-20T07:40:54-05:00

Seems you don’t have to play dumb. Why TF would you post this on a public website? Hopefully they reject you.

Response by PFC David Smith made Jan 20 at 2021 10:05 AM

2021-01-20T10:05:59-05:00

Not too bright

Response by TSgt James Hadley made Jan 20 at 2021 12:57 PM

2021-01-20T12:57:09-05:00

Make it right and tell the truth as the CSM Ret said. Also as LTC Mackey pointed out this is a public site and is assesible to anyone online best tell your recruiter right away.

Response by PO3 James Bobiney made Jan 20 at 2021 3:18 PM

2021-01-20T15:18:23-05:00

Good luck in life, dude. You're gonna need it. Not because of the murmur. But because of your poor decision to lie about it.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2021 10:40 AM

2021-01-21T10:40:12-05:00

Yes, they can find your medical records and you will be booted out in Basic/Boot Camp (if you make it).
We had one guy who lied about a broken leg. He was kicked out of Basic after 6 weeks. Another failed to mention he had received an undesirable (now OTH) discharge from the Navy. He disappeared after week 5.

Response by SFC Gary Guyer made Jan 21 at 2021 10:59 AM

2021-01-21T10:59:45-05:00

Is it the Doctor at MEPS that is sending to a Cardiologist? If they do say you have a I don't think that they ca say for sure that you had it as a child and unless the Cardiologist sees something different you will probably be good to go.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2021 7:38 AM

2021-01-22T07:38:24-05:00

Now that it's two years later and RP decided that now would be a good time for me to see this, I am really curious how this situation panned out.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jan 23 at 2021 3:01 PM

2021-01-23T15:01:08-05:00

You were 6 when you were told you had a heart murmur, and could not be expected to know that when you enlisted, easily forgotten and nobody would know you had "lied" I suppose by omission, and who could prove you were told? Many parents wouldn't tell their kid something like that..

You weren't six when you lied about it. Or when you confessed to your actual crime of lying on an official document on Rallypoint.

The real answer to your actual initial question is, paraphrasing someone else about this public forum--they will now.

Response by SN Jeremiah Passmore made Jan 26 at 2021 12:35 PM

2021-01-26T12:35:08-05:00

You were 6 buddy...but don't bring this sort of thing up in a public forum.

Response by PFC Gushaun Durham made Jan 29 at 2021 12:17 PM

2021-01-29T12:17:05-05:00

You have already violated the Army values. Integrity is an integral aspect of serving! If you are not willing to show it in the beginning, chances are you won’t show it during your career. Personally, I wouldn’t want you serving next to me, especially, having to depend on your integrity! The willingness to serve is admirable, however, MEPS is in place for a reason. As it has been mentioned throughout this thread, your health matters tremendously in mission readiness and capability. My advice, fix this issue before it’s too late! Come clean BEFORE you ship out, if not, just know that you WILL be reported and the penalties under UCMJ will be severe!

Response by SP5 Charles Willoughby made Feb 10 at 2021 9:30 PM

2021-02-10T21:30:32-05:00

I had asthma and a bad back. My doctor offered to send a letter to the draft board. I said no and enlisted. MACV SOG, CIA and retired Homeland.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2021 5:56 PM

2021-02-12T17:56:12-05:00

Technically they cant without your consent but on that note it's possible you will get denied on that basis.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2021 8:11 AM

2021-02-27T08:11:05-05:00

I have talked to just about all my military friends and talk over a few beers about how we made it through MEPS. 99% lied about a parking ticket or a broken bone. A while back there was a Command Sergeant Major who after 25 years of service during his retirement process to get him his DD214 some one had realized that he had stolen his twin brother his identity to get in. Naturally he lost all benefits after well earned awards and benefits. BUT HE LIED. at least im sure he had fun jumping out of planes and collecting a paycheck (one check that he is not gonna get as a retiree) with you medical past. If you die ARMY will not pay life insurance if you die of the one condition(s) in question. Nor VA most likely will not compensate you for the same. But if you want to serve. Do what your heart feels.

Response by SFC Regina Boyd made Feb 27 at 2021 11:10 PM

2021-02-27T23:10:13-05:00

"They" cannot review your medical records without your explicit permission (signed consent). There's this law called "HIPAA", and you can find out more about HIPAA here: https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/medical-records/index.html

Your Medical Records

consumer's rights with respect to their medical records

Response by SGT Tom Recupero made Feb 28 at 2021 12:56 AM

2021-02-28T00:56:02-05:00

You have to give consent to release your medical records (HIPPA) but it’s not to bright to be putting this online.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Feb 28 at 2021 2:49 PM

2021-02-28T14:49:32-05:00

John what are you thinking, this can destroy your life!!

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2021 5:36 PM

2021-02-28T17:36:40-05:00

Soooo...let me get this straight...you lied about something in the hopes no one would ever find out. Then went on the internets to ask what to do if anyone finds out this thing you didn't want anyone to find out?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2021 7:41 PM

2021-02-28T19:41:30-05:00

As a military health care provider, I most certainly check medical records. If no waiver granted at MEPS, I submit to command and let them decide if they want to pursue fraudulent enlistment. Be honest. Request a waiver.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Mar 1 at 2021 12:55 AM

2021-03-01T00:55:37-05:00

You should have been honest, and face the consequences.but at this point, you can admit you lied, and throw yourself on their mercy, or you can say you forgot...you didn't understand whatever might work. Still, you could have jeopardized your health and the safety of your team mates. Those physical limits are set for a reason. That being said, my eyesight did not meet minimal requirement, and the ophthalmologist did something to slip me through. however, I did not know, so they couldn't stick me.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Mar 1 at 2021 5:56 AM

2021-03-01T05:56:13-05:00

Think yu will be fine. Heart murmur are common. I do think one lye is as bad as 10...but to speak to yur issue don't worry.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2021 6:22 AM

2021-03-01T06:22:49-05:00

I’ve been a recruiter and I’ve seen how toxic that bunch is. I’ll tell you the same thing that I told every one I’ve my applicants. As a recruiter it is not up to them (the recruiters) to qualify or disqualify you from service. That is why we ask you all of those medical prescreening questions, we make sure that you understand that HIPPA protects your information. It is up to you to remember everything and tell us everything. Only the doctors at MEPS can qualify or disqualify from service. If they find something that you didn’t know about ask about a medical waiver, especially if you play sports and are still active and it doesn’t bother to this day. I hope that everything works out for you.

Response by SPC(P) Brandon Jenkins made Mar 1 at 2021 10:24 AM

2021-03-01T10:24:28-05:00

How do they know it was a lie? Did you just forget you had it?

Response by SPC(P) Brandon Jenkins made Mar 1 at 2021 10:25 AM

2021-03-01T10:25:38-05:00

Maybe you're just psyching yourself out and thinking you lied because you believe they will believe you lied.

Response by Cpl John Cogswell made Mar 1 at 2021 12:55 PM

2021-03-01T12:55:53-05:00

Hey buddy, good news for you. When I enlisted in the Marine Corps back in 1988, I was up front about my heart murmur. The only thing they made me do was take a short ECG, then when I got to Parris Island they made sure I had two red stripes on my yellow PT shirt.

Apart from that, it was business as usual. Age 51 now, and still doing great. I wouldn't worry about it all. Enjoy your enlistment, try to avoid alcohol and tobacco, stay fit and be safe :)

For future purposes, try to be upfront as much as possible, but don't let the grumpy old lifers shame you into anything, my old great Uncle Bob was courtmartialled four times from 1932 to 1963 and still had a successful career as a Master Sergeant, including the time he served with Chesty in Korea.

Response by CDR Jerry Wells made Mar 1 at 2021 3:52 PM

2021-03-01T15:52:30-05:00

They know now.

Response by SPC Bryan Gustafson made Mar 1 at 2021 4:09 PM

2021-03-01T16:09:42-05:00

You have to anticipate that a full review of all relevant military records will be done in connection with what is going on right now. If, in fact, you did have an extremely casual relationship with the truth while at MEPS, I question the wisdom of saying so on a public forum such as this. Clearly, I am not in possession of all the facts but you might be well served by getting out in front of this and getting some legal advice as to whether the military can pursue a fraudulent enlistment criminal charge under these circumstances.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Mar 1 at 2021 7:24 PM

2021-03-01T19:24:30-05:00

You do understand this is public.

Response by PVT Dustin Mills made Mar 2 at 2021 10:26 PM

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Response by SFC R. Lee Linebarger made Mar 3 at 2021 9:32 AM

2021-03-03T09:32:58-05:00

You ain't the first, you won't be the last. If everyone who joined was 100% honest about their medical conditions or health, we wouldn't have anyone serving.

Response by SFC Tim Mosher made Mar 3 at 2021 10:15 AM

2021-03-03T10:15:16-05:00

Ethics aside, has your heart murmur dissipated? If not you've put yourself, and potentially others, at an unnecessary risk.

Kind of surprised I didn't see this mentioned anywhere.

Response by SPC H C made Mar 3 at 2021 10:27 AM

2021-03-03T10:27:10-05:00

you're good bro, just try not to die. i didn't mention having asthma so that i could get in. finished my time without any major probs =D good luck have fun

Response by PO1 Joseph Viramontez made Mar 3 at 2021 11:32 AM

2021-03-03T11:32:36-05:00

I lied, but here we are though years later with a blue ID killin it

Response by SFC James Corona made Mar 3 at 2021 2:09 PM

2021-03-03T14:09:38-05:00

Recruit mindset.
Tell your recruiter the truth.

Response by MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow made Mar 3 at 2021 2:43 PM

2021-03-03T14:43:15-05:00

Probably will not look.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2021 3:28 PM

2021-03-03T15:28:50-05:00

There are some who will tell that they won't check. Maybe they don't, for everyone, but they did check with the family doctor about the misdiagnosis of epilepsy that was my case. I'm thinking that the absolute silliest thing you could have done, is to ask that question on this forum. It's entirely possible that some of the Soldiers you are dealing with at MEPS are on here. Don't read that as I'm condoning it. I'm positive that if you are as concerned as you are, talk to the recruiter or the doctor that is dealing with the issue. The most important thing, in my opinion is that you really want to make sure that your heart is ok. The military is full of activities that will elevate your heart rate and you need to be healthy enough that your heart doesn't fail you. Whether or not you make it into whichever branch you are entering, dude, engage your brain before you take action or speak. Good luck.

Response by SPC James Fitzpatrick made Mar 4 at 2021 9:03 AM

2021-03-04T09:03:05-05:00

I had flat feet (still do) when I was in the infantry in the early 70s. They were really scraping the bottom of the barrel then. There were guys who stuttered so badly, they couldn't make themselves understood; there were others that I swear were mentally retarded; others were alcoholics and criminals. My best friend had been dishonorably discharged from the Marines and enlisted in the Army (lying, of course). Just tell whoever asks that you're transgendered, and they'll let you in immediately.

Response by PO2 Chuck Etheridge made Mar 4 at 2021 10:14 AM

2021-03-04T10:14:14-05:00

I would not worry about it. As a medical professional mentioned in the comments, it's easy to make mis-statements at MEPS. When I was going through the entry process, a routine medical question was 'Do you have any birth defects?' I said 'no' because, at the time, I wasn't thinking about my deformed foot because it doesn't cause me any trouble in day to day life. When I got to MEPS on the day my enlistment began, I panicked and told everyone I could think of that I had forgotten about my foot when asked previously; I was pulling off my shoes and showing my deformed foot to anyone who cared to look.
Aside from causing laughter and exposing my fellow enlistees to my stinky foot, I got no reaction. I was told it was an honest mistake and that, if it didn't cause me trouble on a day to day basis, it wouldn't in the Navy (it didn't).
BTW, I myself developed a heart murmur in the military which turned up at my separation physical; they documented it and put me through a number of tests to make sure I was OK before they released me from active service.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2021 4:49 PM

2021-03-04T16:49:03-05:00

You should delete this

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Mar 4 at 2021 6:10 PM

2021-03-04T18:10:55-05:00

They either let you in or won't. Not like they are going court martial you and locm you away.

However the NCIS agent in the office next door to me wants to know your user name, and home city.

Response by 1SG Mark Reed made Mar 4 at 2021 7:31 PM

2021-03-04T19:31:14-05:00

Well your recruiter should have advised you to be honest at your meps physical. I did 13 years in recruiting command and had many deps make it through the meps med process with a medical consultation and waivers. But lies will never help you in the long run

Response by PFC Shaun Sites made Mar 5 at 2021 12:00 AM

2021-03-05T00:00:59-05:00

Probably not a smart move.Being a former Infantryman I can attest that they have legal authority to review your entire history if someone finds out you lied about it.Plus in this day and age it was probably not the greatest idea to start off by saying you lied.Thats admission and of the MEPS station gets wind of it you can be in what we lovingly called "Deep shit"
You said you had to see a cardiologist so do that and see what they determine.But the longer you perpetuate the lie the more likely your going to slip up at a crucial point,and the military does not take kindly to being intentionally lied to.God speed and hope everything works out for you.
Disabled 2/30 Infantry veteran,
4th Brigade 10 mtn,
Climb to Glory!

Response by Cpl Matt Huesmann made Mar 5 at 2021 4:03 AM

2021-03-05T04:03:08-05:00

Play dumb and act like you thought it was healed. The my day all that crap as a scare tactic. But everyone lies about something. The military wouldn’t even exist if everyone was honest about past medical conditions. There’s so many stipulations that they can find a reason to DQ any and everybody if they wanted. Pick a good story and stick to it. Good luck.

Response by Sgt Justen Ortloff made Mar 5 at 2021 8:59 AM

2021-03-05T08:59:26-05:00

They will now.

Response by Sgt Justen Ortloff made Mar 5 at 2021 8:59 AM

2021-03-05T08:59:44-05:00

They will now.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2021 10:14 AM

2021-03-05T10:14:58-05:00

Sigh

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2021 12:39 PM

2021-03-05T12:39:25-05:00

Its all asses in seats when I comes to MEPS. You’ll be fine. If I had a dollar for every fallen arch, I’d buy your contract out...
Good luck light duty

Response by SGT Leif Lynch made Mar 5 at 2021 4:52 PM

2021-03-05T16:52:01-05:00

This guy is definitely Army material.. He will make E5 in no time!!

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Mar 5 at 2021 6:43 PM

2021-03-05T18:43:47-05:00

Keep your mouth shut---this is a public website.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Mar 6 at 2021 7:56 PM

2021-03-06T19:56:27-05:00

I wouldn't worry about it that much. You have a heart murmur and that's all it is--a possible symptom. You are not qualified to judge its possible impact on your military service. The services have doctors and specialists who can make that evaluation. If they determine it should disqualify you they will recommend that action and that will be it. They may also be able to recommend possible avenues you could take to correct the medical issue. You withheld that information when you applied because you wanted to serve. If the service wants you they will waiver the murmur and let you in. If they don't want you they won't. But you tried to serve. They won't send you to jail for that. By the way, I developed a heart murmur while on active duty and cardiology specialists determined it did not impact my ability to serve. And most of my service was after that.

Response by CAPT Dave Woodard made Mar 14 at 2021 5:43 PM

2021-03-14T17:43:26-04:00

Depends on how "big" the lie - but from my perspective as an O-6, I would not want you in my command - if you lied about that, what else - basically I don't trust you

Response by SPC Tamara Trammell made Mar 16 at 2021 7:21 PM

2021-03-16T19:21:09-04:00

If it comes up again, they might very well go through your records. Heart murmurs are one of those things that tend to come up again. Soldiers generally get a stethoscope slapped on their chests a couple times a year and it doesn't take much experience for even a simple medic like myself to be able to pick up on Something Ain't Right noises.

Response by TSgt David Olson made Mar 23 at 2021 12:21 PM

2021-03-23T12:21:04-04:00

I’ll respond with an incident, years ago, that I was personally aware of. There was a senior recruiter who had a son and wanted the son to join the military unit which he, the father, was a part of. Unfortunately for the son he had a medical disqualifying condition. The son was passed through the MEPS, but upon reaching basic training was given another complete physical. During this physical it was revealed he had a medical condition which barred him from military service. He was sent home, much to his father’s displeasure. Sometime later I encountered his father, after I had returned to the unit from an EAD tour. The father acted as if I were to blame. I told the father that it was standard that every potential recruit was given a physical exam, in addition to the MEPS exam, and their findings were final. This was a case were the father wanted to enlist his son, while knowing his son’s physical condition, probably slid his son through the MEPS somehow, and was unaware of the physical exam given at basic.

Response by CPT Keith Celebrezze made Mar 23 at 2021 12:25 PM

2021-03-23T12:25:56-04:00

Pretty white lie. The fact that you feel bad about it indicates that the military will likely turn a profit on your service.

Put your best foot forward. There's a saying, probably not applicable here, that "if you're not cheating, you're not trying".

Be smart.

Good luck.

Response by CPT Matthias Rendon made Mar 25 at 2021 10:57 AM

2021-03-25T10:57:43-04:00

John, you will be fine! Don’t worry about anyone combing through your records. It’s not going to happen. Say nothing to anyone. God bless you!

Response by SSG Katherine Likely made Mar 26 at 2021 1:30 AM

2021-03-26T01:30:21-04:00

i commented before but i want to add this. it's always better to admit what you did than to let it eat at you. the what if's are more damming than the actual facts. big thing to remember is we are all human, we all want something that is just out of our reach. Go to your CO if he's a good man he'll help you if he's a tough asshole, he'll bury you. but the what if's will kill you.

Response by SPC Elwyn Moffatt made Mar 27 at 2021 7:59 PM

2021-03-27T19:59:16-04:00

I don’t feel they will go that far back. Act as if you didn’t know.

Response by Cpl Jane Sudac made Apr 3 at 2021 5:33 PM

2021-04-03T17:33:18-04:00

If it doesn't show during your physical your good

Response by Cpl Jane Sudac made Apr 3 at 2021 5:34 PM

2021-04-03T17:34:30-04:00

My Dr said that I may have a heart murmur when I was younger and it was cchecked at my physical before and after I entered bootcamp. All good

Response by LCpl Joby Feccia made Apr 3 at 2021 10:48 PM

2021-04-03T22:48:24-04:00

When you were six years old? How would they find your pediatric medical records? You should not have lied. In 1990 a recruit was taken away during week 11 or 12. He lied too. They saw issues with his jaw during a dental X-Ray. He was gone. Days before graduation.

Response by CPL Timothy Coffey made Apr 4 at 2021 10:20 AM

2021-04-04T10:20:02-04:00

Your not the sharpest Tool in the shed, but if you pass your current testing than your Doctor was right to say it would be ok. Don't lie when you enter as someone may count on you some day and you won't be able to produce because you lied. Just be honest if you do get in.

Response by TSgt Robert Wayne made Apr 4 at 2021 3:37 PM

2021-04-04T15:37:19-04:00

They will now. Great job in publically admitting you lied on an official document that could get you kicked out of the military.

Response by CPL Jay Strickland made Apr 5 at 2021 12:06 AM

2021-04-05T00:06:10-04:00

If they weren't going to look at medical records they will now. My guess is since a cardiologist looked at you and cleared you, you are still in. In the future you might want to check with your recruiter before putting yourself on blast for committing fraud/perjury. The only thing that saves you from a possible criminal charge is materiality. As it appears you did not deprive MEPs of the chance to evaluate your condition it appears you did not lie about a material matter. If you future NCO and or commander is reading this I fully expect them to view you as a liar until proven otherwise which is a shitty label to have every time you get a new NCO or new Commanding officer.

Next on another matter. I have seen a solider fall out of a run suffering from a heart attack at the ripe old age of 20. He lived thankfully but it turns out he lied to MEPS about a heart condition. I know MEPS is a pain in the ass but seriously the screening is there to make sure the military doesn't kill you. You do not want to fall out of a run to wake up in a hospital to find out you will be chaptered out and your life expectancy has been reduced by 20 years because you were doing things you shouldn't have on a bum ticker.

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Apr 5 at 2021 11:52 AM

2021-04-05T11:52:09-04:00

A heart murmur or often called PVCs (pre-ventricular contractions) are very normal. I have one, served 22 years, never had an issue. If the doctor who found it said, "No big deal", then unless you are a qualified medical professional, you have to take his/her advice. You are fine. Don't lie anymore.

Response by PO1 Kate Schoeneich made Apr 5 at 2021 3:12 PM

2021-04-05T15:12:48-04:00

I served in a reserve unit where my Master Cheif had a heart murmur. It's a non issue if you have no health problems during your hitch.

Response by PO1 Kate Schoeneich made Apr 5 at 2021 3:21 PM

2021-04-05T15:21:32-04:00

When your discharged, whenever that is, and if your planning on filing a disability claim, it will be looked at. But again, if you have a clean bill of health during your enlistment you shouldn't have any problems. I strongly suggest you should do some serious reading on heart murmurs. Then you will be up on it's effects, you may want to get a 2nd opinion, that should help. As far as concealing your condition(s), do not, NOT, cover anymore up if you have any.

Response by Dod Civilian made Apr 5 at 2021 4:32 PM

2021-04-05T16:32:48-04:00

OK! Here’s the deal!! Lying obviously no good, and You may not have any issue with that condition now! But heaven forbid if something comes back up while you are in service. They will do their own research with your diagnosis. And if it’s something severe enough to be discharged for, you might be forced to discharge without benefits. Because they might find it pre-existing!
Just be careful & Good Luck!

Response by LCpl Wilbur Walk Jr made Apr 5 at 2021 10:26 PM

2021-04-05T22:26:05-04:00

I shot a man in Reno - just to watch him die.

Response by CPT Don Williams made Apr 7 at 2021 2:45 AM

2021-04-07T02:45:53-04:00

I served from 1979-1983 (Active Reserve). ARMOR Platoon Leader on M60A1s.
I was 26 when I ETS. A murmur was found by a cardiologist when I was about 35. At 55, I had my aortic valve replaced. There is no way to know when it started. Technology was not as good as today. FIND OUT. Take care of your heart. Start taking CoQ10 (200mg daily), 81 mg Aspirin nightly, Magnesium, good multi-vitamin. I now have Congestive heart failure at 60 and a pacemaker at 61.

Response by SSgt Daniel Batista made Apr 7 at 2021 1:31 PM

2021-04-07T13:31:11-04:00

Lying no matter what is never goid,but to lie and publicly announce it is not so smart either. Part of joining the military means that you want to serve your country and be respected for it,but to be respected you need to be honest and have a high degree of integrity and honor to serve the best way you can. It looks like you have already failed at the gate. Best policy is to admit your wrong doing, and offer a way to repair what you damaged, TRUST.

Response by PO3 Arron Pontz made Apr 9 at 2021 2:28 PM

2021-04-09T14:28:43-04:00

i told them the truth at the recruiters, recruiters told me to hide it. Mostly as it's an Athletic Heart Murmur , i was 6 as well. Most athletes have the same heart murmur. Needless to say in my military career they never found out or if they did made no big fuss.

Response by Cpl Thomas Wiklanski made Apr 30 at 2021 9:30 PM

2021-04-30T21:30:58-04:00

I wouldn't worry about it. During your physical, the doctor listened to your heart and could easily determine if your heart murmur would be a problem.

Response by GySgt Stanton Wilson made May 1 at 2021 10:27 AM

2021-05-01T10:27:14-04:00

You haven't signed anything yet, and you haven't been sworn in, so there's nothing to worry about. If you get a waiver everything medically will be documented before you enlist. I was a MEPS liaison for almost 2 years and I seen cases like yours plenty of times. At this point there's nothing that can be done to you, relax and wait on your medical waiver.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2021 11:29 PM

2021-05-01T23:29:19-04:00

Hey boss man
Ya shoulda kept that to yourself
Goes back to old school army “don’t ask don’t tell”

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made May 2 at 2021 8:51 AM

2021-05-02T08:51:01-04:00

The “Correct Answers” about your personal medical history as a minor child is “No, None and Never.”

If something crops up after enlistment then you get a “No Fault Admin Discharge”...and a “Thanks For Trying, Kid” Pat on the back.

If you want everyone focused on your medical history, then give them the targeting data, and you will never get started in any military career... you just gave them a reason to not waste their time or money on you.

Repeat after me:

“No...None...and Never.”

Be healed my son, and get your National Service started.

Response by SSgt Jim Murray made May 2 at 2021 9:34 AM

2021-05-02T09:34:00-04:00

You can outgrow a heart murmur. Check with your doctor and be honest. If MEPS and your doctor can’t find it you are good to go. The truth is the best option in the future and I hope you now realize.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made May 2 at 2021 5:11 PM

2021-05-02T17:11:05-04:00

I don't know but you're not a very good liar if you'll announce it on a public site where anyone who reads it might turn you in.

Response by COL Jeffery Bodouin made May 2 at 2021 6:55 PM

2021-05-02T18:55:32-04:00

There are consequence in Life. Some good, some not so. When you lie, especially to the Government, not so. But, this probably saved your life. Military Training and Duty is very physically strenuous and mentally stressful. Be Thankful. You live to enjoy another Day.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2021 7:18 PM

2021-05-02T19:18:36-04:00

I remember right before I signed my contract they had us go in one by one to see a civilian. The lady asked us if we had been completely truthful. A heart murmur is a big deal. You need to tell them. You won't be punished if you're honest. But falsely making a statement is very punishable. If you get hurt a basic and they find out you lied. They will medically discharge you. Best case. Worst case you could die. Why risk that? You can serve your county and not be in the military.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 2 at 2021 8:45 PM

2021-05-02T20:45:56-04:00

Just say you thought you would grow out of it.

Response by PO1 David Kingsley made May 2 at 2021 11:47 PM

2021-05-02T23:47:23-04:00

as a former NAVY recruiter, I would not advise you to lie to enlist as that is a Dischargeable offense.

If you believe the doctors from when you were six, that you would grow out of it, then accept that diagnosis and let the doctors' at the MEPS station determine if you currently have a heart condition (murmur, flutter, whatever), as that is their job, and you may well have grown out of the condition.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made May 3 at 2021 12:04 AM

2021-05-03T00:04:32-04:00

The Cardiologist will run tests to see the extent of the murmur. Probably an EKG, Echocardiogram, sonogram, and others. He/she will then recommend whether to induct you or not,. By now they should have contacted your physician for your records.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made May 3 at 2021 12:13 AM

2021-05-03T00:13:14-04:00

They will definitely look at your medical records and contact your physician. The fact that they referred you to a cardiologist rather than rejecting you outright is a good sign. Ask your personal physician to send your records to him. The Cardiologist will run at least an EKG or Echocardiogram. If he feels there’s something serious he’ll do some more invasive testing.

Response by WO1 Ricardo Eva made May 3 at 2021 8:09 AM

2021-05-03T08:09:20-04:00

Hey SFC T McMahon I totally agree with you! As someone who worked most of his career in JAG, it seems to me as if this issue is being blown way out of proportion by many of the respondents.

Believe-you-me, NOT ONE company commander, much the less a military prosecutor worth their salt will EVER even think about bringing this kid on Article 15 and much the less UCMJ charges for "omiting" mentioning a heart murmur. Neither will his omision preclude this kid of becoming a successfull military member if he so choses to become one.

Yes, I agree with some in this forum that military recruiters are some of the biggest liars (salesmen/women) in the whole military assemblage but they tend to "cover" their "inocent fibs" on quotas that they have to fill every period. As enlistment has been at an all time low for a long time then our "esteemed" recruiters resort to just any salesman's pitch (read: talk, promise and downright mislead) to meet their recruitment quota for the period otherwise they, the recruiters, face their CO's berating and, even, counseling and official reprimands that can hurt them in their career.

Unfortunately, it is a fact that recruiters resort to many "underhanded" maneuvers to meet their quota's and this kid who "forgot" to mention his heart murmur, faces no great challenges because of his omission. Medically, murmurs are not considered as a serious condition unless accompanied by other conditions.

As a matter of fact, now being a Medical Interpreter I run into these conditions pretty much all the time and every Cardiologist I have worked for in interpreting for their patients have pretty much dismissed murmurs as not severe and, according to them, most are benign, disappearing on their own...Again, in my knowledge NOT ONE CO, much the less a military prosecutor will lose his/her time bringing this kid on charges for something that a military judge would dismiss right out hand...and, if any CO or prosecutor dared bringing charges on this they would be quickly laughed out of court....Guys, why are you blowing this so way out of proportion?

Response by WO1 Ricardo Eva made May 3 at 2021 8:11 AM

2021-05-03T08:11:48-04:00

Hey SFC, T. McMahon, I totally agree with you! As someone who worked most of his career in JAG, it seems to me as if this issue is being blown way out of proportion by many of the respondents.

Believe-you-me, NOT ONE company commander, much the less a military prosecutor worth their salt will EVER even think about bringing this kid on Article 15 and much the less UCMJ charges for "omiting" mentioning a heart murmur. Neither will his omision preclude this kid of becoming a successfull military member if he so choses to become one.

Yes, I agree with some in this forum that military recruiters are some of the biggest liars (salesmen/women) in the whole military assemblage but they tend to "cover" their "inocent fibs" on quotas that they have to fill every period. As enlistment has been at an all time low for a long time then our "esteemed" recruiters resort to just any salesman's pitch (read: talk, promise and downright mislead) to meet their recruitment quota for the period otherwise they, the recruiters, face their CO's berating and, even, counseling and official reprimands that can hurt them in their career.

Unfortunately, it is a fact that recruiters resort to many "underhanded" maneuvers to meet their quota's and this kid who "forgot" to mention his heart murmur, faces no great challenges because of his omission. Medically, murmurs are not considered as a serious condition unless accompanied by other conditions.

As a matter of fact, now being a Medical Interpreter I run into these conditions pretty much all the time and every Cardiologist I have worked for in interpreting for their patients have pretty much dismissed murmurs as not severe and, according to them, most are benign, disappearing on their own...Again, in my knowledge NOT ONE CO, much the less a military prosecutor will lose his/her time bringing this kid on charges for something that a military judge would dismiss right out hand...and, if any CO or prosecutor dared bringing charges on this they would be quickly laughed out of court....Guys, why are you blowing this so way out of proportion?

Response by SGT Anthony Lopez made May 3 at 2021 5:02 PM

2021-05-03T17:02:34-04:00

If it was when you were six it would be pretty easy not to remember just saying

Response by SSG Keven Lahde made May 4 at 2021 12:24 PM

2021-05-04T12:24:16-04:00

Question is, what else did lie about? Posting about that here, on a public site, for everyone to see?? Not the best idea I think!!

Response by Cpl David Amos made May 4 at 2021 3:16 PM

2021-05-04T15:16:11-04:00

CSM ZeGara hit the nail on the head. Integrity is one of the most important things in the world. If you compromise your integrity, especially in the military, then no one can trust you and you're no good to anyone. The good thing is you are young and you have time to correct it. Never compromise or diminish your integrity. If you make a mistake, own up to it and learn from it. That was one of the first things I was taught while pursuing to be a Marine. A lot of people have lied to recruiter or haven't mentioned certain parts of their history. It always comes back to haunt them one way or another. Owning up to information you left out will take a huge weight off your chest, will show your recruiter you're a man who wants to do the best he can. I can't say whether or not this will get you in the military but they may be able to give you a waiver. I'm not a doctor nor am I in a position to know what will happen (I was in 1993). I think just being upfront and honest is the best thing here. Good luck!

Response by SSG Merry Metzler made May 5 at 2021 8:56 AM

2021-05-05T08:56:09-04:00

Don't lie!

Response by SN Joel Penhallegon made May 5 at 2021 10:51 AM

2021-05-05T10:51:36-04:00

ALWAYS tell the truth!!!

Response by SN Joel Penhallegon made May 5 at 2021 10:52 AM

2021-05-05T10:52:16-04:00

ALWAYS tell the truth!!!

Response by PO3 Edward Jones made May 5 at 2021 11:29 AM

2021-05-05T11:29:17-04:00

You should be fine you were 6 for goodness sakes

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2021 12:05 PM

2021-05-05T12:05:39-04:00

99% of the military lied at MEPS!

Response by SFC Joseph Thwaites made May 5 at 2021 12:58 PM

2021-05-05T12:58:15-04:00

I know this is really old but it just came to me in a e mail. I see in many of the comments that people advise him to tell his recruiter about it assuming that he didn't already do it. My two cents, I was a recruiter for three years and not very successful, but I never told anyone to lie or omit anything to get in. I wonder if "A bunch of others told me to just play dumb" was his recruiter and station commander. Maybe they wanted a contract and didn't want to bother with wavier paperwork. I seen things like this happen and I know that if the recruit got caught the people that told him/her to lie would throw them under the bus. I never saw anything major happen so I didn't report recruiter improprieties. If the MEPS people wanted to get picky they could deny him enlistment and put it in his records if it was found that he knew about it and purposely lied.

Response by LT Michael Anthony made May 6 at 2021 12:23 AM

2021-05-06T00:23:56-04:00

No worries. They don't have the resources, nor the man power to look it up. It's only in confidence in what you tell them. In bootcamp, they have this truth day. Just sit down and shut up, no matter what.

Response by SFC Mark Rushing made May 6 at 2021 11:21 AM

2021-05-06T11:21:37-04:00

Frankly speaking, you are obviously immature and lack the intestinal fortitude & critical thinking skills necessary for self preservation and or a career in the United States military.

If you are going to begin your relationship with the US Army by telling lies (no matter how insignificant), exactly how are you to be trusted with completiin of an accurate report, CQ duty, or anything else?

Own up to it and deal with the situation. Possibly do what the other SFC told you to do then delete your RP account until you at least have a turtle shell on your head.

Response by 2LT Ronald Reimer made May 6 at 2021 7:14 PM

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2years ago: did you get in? BTW, you don’t have to play dumb, you’ve got that down. Best of luck.

Response by SSG Letricia Williams made May 7 at 2021 8:18 AM

2021-05-07T08:18:27-04:00

If he said it was no big deal then it may likely be benign meaning that it’s there but won’t affect you. They will know. Meps found my benign heart murmur and it’s still there and never affected me during or after service. By the way that was back in 99 when I came in got out in 18. Documentation is ALWAYS good there is NEVER a need to lie it will never benefit you ESPECIALLY with medical records. You don’t want to lie or play dumb it won’t benefit you either way. Good luck.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2021 10:27 AM

2021-05-07T10:27:21-04:00

Rule #1 you didn’t lie, you told the truth that you knew at the time. Unless there is a record somewhere that you had x y or z medical condition, or unless they find something upon physical exam, you are fine. If you go telling them that you lied last time they will kick you out of the MEPS. I see some other old heads on here have commented, don’t listen to them. If you want to get in the service you do what you have to do. As long as it’s not going to put others at risk (which it arguably could if it’s a heart condition) you do you man.

Response by SSG Michael Cockrell made May 7 at 2021 3:31 PM

2021-05-07T15:31:04-04:00

So we're you going to be infantry or a tanker?

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2021 10:56 AM

2021-05-08T10:56:54-04:00

Well if you recently processed and got hit during your physical for the same issue you had as a child then I would say you still have heart issues.

You signed a 2807 which directly authorizes MEPS to pull medical records on your behalf. They hardly ever do that BUT they can. Sounds to me that they scheduled a cardio consult for you through MEPS. If you do get caught lying after you ship out then thats a fraudulent enlistment and you will be held accountable

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made May 8 at 2021 1:28 PM

2021-05-08T13:28:58-04:00

I think you should have kept this information off this website! If you have heart murmur then it could be indicative of a bigger issue that needs to be looked into further.

Response by SPC Howard Walker made May 8 at 2021 1:53 PM

2021-05-08T13:53:11-04:00

You need to go to JAG \. I had a guy in my unit who was collecting VA disability in an active-duty unit. They did find out and he was kicked out of the army. There is an old saying what ever you do in the dark will come out in the light. So talk to JAG so they can help you and give you your options on what to do.

Response by SFC Joe Ortega made May 8 at 2021 4:26 PM

2021-05-08T16:26:09-04:00

1. Get medically clear to withstand the physical demands of basic training and daily routine of military life.
2. Come clean with your recruiter, honesty is important.
3.You will get a physical exam and anything that disqualify from serving is going to come out.
4. You are not in yet, no harm done.

Response by SMSgt Ed W. made May 8 at 2021 7:27 PM

2021-05-08T19:27:00-04:00

I had a friend I joined the AF with, and he told the recruiter about his heart murmur when he enlisted.
It was checked at the time of our physicals and found not to be a disqualifying issue. He had no problems during his enlistment, but the medical personnel was aware of it when he would go to the dispensary.

Response by SGT Kurt Ward made May 8 at 2021 7:59 PM

2021-05-08T19:59:19-04:00

Information is Ammunition!! Say nothing play dumb!~

Response by Cpl Darrin Pruett made May 10 at 2021 4:51 PM

2021-05-10T16:51:34-04:00

John Kellen. Keep your mouth closed. Let them do their job of checking you out and determining from their examination if you are fit for duty.

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made May 11 at 2021 11:34 PM

2021-05-11T23:34:26-04:00

So you weren’t aware of it when you went to MEPS, and your mom told you about it when you got home from MEPS right?
Seriously, they have bigger fish to fry than a medical omission that was caught at MEPS. Go through the Cardiac consult, and see what happens. Most murmurs are benign, and if it’s not, hey great catch MEPS doc. They might get you a medical waiver, but it is really up to the branch to decide. Don’t worry about fines and stuff, it’s not worth it for them to pursue.

Response by Michael Davis made May 13 at 2021 9:39 AM

2021-05-13T09:39:57-04:00

Learn the Army values.

LDRSHIP.

You abrogated several of these. Go make it right. If its a serious issue, you might be saving your own life.

And, yes if you are posting this under your real name you really have no choice now. Though, you really passed on the only choice previously.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made May 15 at 2021 3:42 AM

2021-05-15T03:42:57-04:00

Lying about anything will always come back to bite you in your ass. Now that you blabbering about your mistake in lying to the world, always remember that there's always a person with a bigger mouth out there, who is ready to wreck your life.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made May 16 at 2021 7:54 PM

2021-05-16T19:54:57-04:00

Choices have consequences and like Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade... "He chose poorly."

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made May 16 at 2021 11:29 PM

2021-05-16T23:29:57-04:00

Choices have consequences and like Knight said in the Indiana Jones movie The Last Crusade... "He chose poorly."

Response by SSG Russell Busicchia made May 17 at 2021 11:12 AM

2021-05-17T11:12:35-04:00

It sounds like you have not yet enlisted. When I enlisted I needed a waiver for a broken arm and for my eyesight. It took an extra couple of weeks to get letters from my personal doctors and have the Army evaluate my issues. As I served for 20 years you can assume that my case was successful. If you are trying to enlist just tell the truth and see what happens. Unless the Army has a glut of people trying to enlist most likely they will only classify you a medically unfit. Unless things have drastically changed the military is not in the habit of prosecuting citizens for trying to enlist. However, if you are rejected and try to enlist somewhere else, or in another service, and lie again you might be charged.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made May 22 at 2021 12:51 PM

2021-05-22T12:51:10-04:00

Congratulations. You are about to learn the definition of career suicide

Response by SP5 Kimberley Davis made Jun 4 at 2021 6:00 PM

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Response by SGT Bob Knox made Jun 6 at 2021 8:45 PM

2021-06-06T20:45:07-04:00

I'm with CSM Sagara, man up!

Response by Stephen Hill made Jun 6 at 2021 8:50 PM

2021-06-06T20:50:14-04:00

If they weren't going to, you just made sure that they will. Why in the world would you post the fact that you committed perjury on a public site?

Response by PO3 Robert Buckels made Jun 7 at 2021 4:18 AM

2021-06-07T04:18:09-04:00

Actually I did the same, but it was flat feet. I confessed while at medical in boot and the doctor told me that it wasn't something that would have excluded me from service, so it wasn't an issue. I would think that your situation is the same since your doctor said it wasn't a big deal and you could get in with it if it's not too bad or you did mostly grow our of it. The worst that could happen is they let you stay in and you have a life ending cardiac event, but I'm sure if they tell you it's ok then no one will care that you lied. Other than death the worst that will happen is an immediate discharge and your record will reflect that you were medically discharged and unable to retry.
No more lying. and as far as that goes, I don't think they can look at your medical records not generated by the military without getting you to sign a permission document. You can refuse, but it will seal your fate to be discharged.

Response by Cpl John Cogswell made Jun 7 at 2021 6:44 AM

2021-06-07T06:44:11-04:00

I wouldn't worry about it. I also had a heart murmur which I did not lie about, and the only thing they did differently for me as compared to other recruits was to emblazoned two horizontal red bars on my yellow PT shirt (USMC Parris Island in 1988). Apart from that I had a great enlistment, and it turned out to be a minor issue at most.

Some folks here are more interested in trying to shame you for you volunteering to serve your country. Put their opinions where they belong - in the circular file of unnecessary bullsh*t that you forgot about.

Response by SGT Paz Martinez made Jun 7 at 2021 9:04 AM

2021-06-07T09:04:53-04:00

I understand that you want to serve your country! But the gentleman within this post have stated core values that one should display in every day life situations. In this case, please utilize integrity and tell your recruiter the truth. Please do not waste your time and many others who are Valiantly trying to help you accomplish your goal in serving our great nation. On a side note, in training you will be pushed well above your limits and to place yourself in a situation where you could possibly put your life at risk is totally uncalled for! Please “Do the right thing”!

Response by SN Giovanni Neu made Jun 7 at 2021 11:20 AM

2021-06-07T11:20:07-04:00

I'm a veteran now so hopefully I can say this without the feds knocking on my door.
I had medical issues as well but at the time I was in shape doing special work out programs and I went through a lot to even get to MEPS. My recruiter said the word of the day was no. No, no, no, no, no, no. Sounds like an integrity violation right? Who gives a shit. You're trying to get somewhere in your life and you should be willing to do whatever it takes and not quit. Later on down the road you can look back and laugh.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Jun 7 at 2021 7:03 PM

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Now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak, I would not concern yourself about omitting the fact that you have a heart murmur. It is true in cases that youth do grow out of the murmur.
Now let's reel this back a bit. Did you discuss this heart murmur with your recruiter? A recruiter and Station Commander need to uncover any and all issues. APPLESMDT was, maybe still used to pre qualify applicants. This acronym uncovers everything. It is of my opinion your recruiter (more than likely) was aware of this. If the Recruiter and Station Commander did not know, then both failed to uncover issues before you went to MEPS. Again that is my opinion.
Having said all that, I would not worry about NOT listing this on your DD FM 2807-2. About 75 % of the time, the heart murmur will be approved. After your consult, your recruiter will submit a med waiver and that may take another week to get approved. Keep in mind, a heart murmur may prevent you from certain MOSs. Be advised and medical waiver can be disapproved. But my experience in the past has indicated a good approval rating for the heart murmur... good luck...Hoooah!

Response by MSgt Rich Cote made Jun 7 at 2021 7:36 PM

2021-06-07T19:36:53-04:00

If you otherwise meet the physical requirements to get into the branch of service you're planning on serving in, I wouldn't be overly concerned from that perspective. If your targeted job requires a security clearance, well, you just better be sure that every time your clearance is up for review that you honestly disclose everything on every question. Especially since you just outted yourself on a public social media platform, but of course, you should anyway. Best wishes and hoping you have a long and successful career in front of you.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2021 11:20 PM

2021-06-07T23:20:11-04:00

Ok yeah you should have mentioned this beforehand. Now they know. The best thing is to be honest from this point forward. It will be better for you in the long run. There are medical waivers, you just need to be diligent in serving your country and keeping that at the forefront. It is not lieing if you failed to mention it is just that you didn't mention it. If you are honest to begin with then you will be on a straight path. Good luck with your enlistment. I wish you the best either way and pray that you get the waiver. Just don't waste the chance to do what's right. We all need second chances. So take this as your second chance and make good on it.

Response by Cpl Thomas Washington made Jun 8 at 2021 9:23 AM

2021-06-08T09:23:02-04:00

I would try good ole prayer, ask for the creator to help you with your decision making in the future and to stop lying to get what you want. King David was a warrior, but often talked to God, he’s a good example for any warrior. He also tells you how he got “a head”.

Response by SPC Mark Maestas made Jun 8 at 2021 11:35 AM

2021-06-08T11:35:04-04:00

Seems like you don’t have to play dumb your pretty good at it already.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 9 at 2021 7:14 AM

2021-06-09T07:14:19-04:00

I am a Medical Professional, and let me say a murmur as an infant to toddler you usually grow out of as everyone is born with one. So that said if you told the MEPS no issue, unless you were told as a teen you had a murmur then you are not technically lying or everyone ever born that was told this is. The fact that you are 17 or older with the murmur maybe more concerning to your health., but most likely not as I can here a murmur on almost anyone depending on their current nutritional status, physical health, time of year, stress...
So as the doc said they check to make sure it is not one of the concerning issues and not one of the common minor/temporary causes. Only if it is a concerning issue will they decide to have specific MOS or not give you a wavier as that means they accept having to care for you medically. The only reason to review your medical records beyond your current health if it is concerning. Don't worry, and many others on here are right about many others omitting or lying about their records, I've even known recruiters to tell people to omit or lie about things like drugs use to get them in so relax as the real head games will start in basic and if this has you stressed you will struggle then.

C. Merritt MAJ(ret) USArmy

Response by CPL Richard Hughes made Jun 9 at 2021 11:04 AM

2021-06-09T11:04:21-04:00

You should have played it straight at MEPS. Now you have given false information and lied to enter the service. You had better hope that it’s overlooked... but now I doubt it. Because you have put it out on this forum. You not only lie but, your pretty dumb too.
IMHO you don’t belong in the military.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2021 7:46 PM

2021-06-11T19:46:51-04:00

A heart murmur is a very generic term and does not specify a cardiac defect. A "murmur" can be benign. And if it wasn't heard until you were six years old and wasn't a problem then or now, then that is likely the case in your situation. So actually, you didn't lie.

Response by PO2 Evan Pruss made Jun 12 at 2021 12:14 PM

2021-06-12T12:14:51-04:00

This is one of the greatest questions I have ever seen a person ask using their real name on a completely open website.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2021 11:42 PM

2021-06-12T23:42:48-04:00

You big dummy

Response by SP6 Bruce Kellar made Jun 13 at 2021 8:58 AM

2021-06-13T08:58:13-04:00

The intent of the restriction is that your frailties could jeopardize the survival of those around you

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2021 4:05 PM

2021-06-13T16:05:53-04:00

You should probably delete this dude. You’re a recruit telling literally anyone and everyone involved in the military that you lied at MEPS.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 13 at 2021 4:26 PM

2021-06-13T16:26:09-04:00

Just when I think I've read the stupidest post ever on RallyPoint, someone comes along and tops it. Good job!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2021 7:46 AM

2021-06-14T07:46:34-04:00

2.5 percent of all recruits are fired for a so called ondition existing prior to service. This means you were actually unfit, but the Army didnt know it. Accusing someone of a lie is rare, but your medical problems cropping up is common. The rules on disqualifying conditions are there for the protection of you and your fellow Soldiers. If you have a disqualifying condition, it is very likely you will break down mentally or physically at am inconvenient time. The Army isn't a social welfare service, if you are unfit, go away.

Response by PFC Matt Ochmanski made Jun 14 at 2021 11:20 AM

2021-06-14T11:20:17-04:00

Look you screwed the pooch on this one. Your going online to ask people if you fucked up hoping to hear anyone say no! You think you screwed up? Just think about your actions before you act upon those actions.

Response by SGT Steven Paul made Jun 14 at 2021 12:58 PM

2021-06-14T12:58:12-04:00

Veterans have lied about their age to fight in wars. I don't see as much shame in this as some people might. While they didn't know about your withholding of medical information, MEPS did discover the issue, and scheduled the follow-up with the cardiologist. If you're cleared for service, no harm no foul I say. It should be a lesson learned, though.

Response by 1SG Rick Seekman made Jun 14 at 2021 10:10 PM

2021-06-14T22:10:26-04:00

You have definitely played the dumb card on this one...

Response by MSG Tony Hughes made Jun 16 at 2021 10:57 AM

2021-06-16T10:57:47-04:00

You better get honest and real quick. The papers you signed are federal documents

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2021 5:31 PM

2021-07-06T17:31:06-04:00

I wouldnt worry about it, you already signed the dotted line. I would without a doubt take this post off though. This could be used in an investigation if you have to get medically retired and could possibly face charges. Not saying we never lied in active duty, but we didnt admit when or if we did.

Response by SGT John Prolo made Jul 7 at 2021 8:59 PM

2021-07-07T20:59:48-04:00

They have a problem with a Heart murmur, but will let the Tranny’s in?

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jul 8 at 2021 12:56 PM

2021-07-08T12:56:52-04:00

All the rules are there for a reason. If you ever need to file a claim through VA, you'll need to sign a waiver for access to your prior medical records. Even if you aren't assigned to a Combat Arms MOS, or so. Some duties, including PT Test may also yield high risk. We had 1 very (superficially) fit E6 who dedicated his lunch breaks to running PT. One day he had a fatal heart attack during his run! I also later worked out at a corporate gym. We had a serious PT Stud who also 1 day died on the treadmill rumored to have had a preexisting heart condition. I worked not only as a Field Medic, but also trained as an OR Tech. Additionally, I worked at a MEPS as a Health Technician, under our Dr. When such issues are presented, especially if your Dr put it in writing that your murmur isn't serious, you would probably be sent for specialized test to confirm, & authorized a waiver if appropriate. During those days I saw 1 guy admitted regardless of 6 missing toes (didn't impair his ability to walk or run), & 1 who lied about his age, noticably young. The youth was sent for a specialized bone scan which identified his age!

Response by SP5 George Smith made Jul 8 at 2021 1:44 PM

2021-07-08T13:44:56-04:00

Sometimes we are not meant to be what we want to be. Choose the high road for the decision you made to cover up your health condition, then follow the path that takes you out of harm’s way.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2021 2:00 PM

2021-07-08T14:00:50-04:00

The only thing you can do at this point is wait and find out what they say. While you are waiting, look up the definition of integrity.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2021 7:55 PM

2021-07-08T19:55:32-04:00

Yeah I would come clean since you just admitted to a felony on a public military website under your full name.

Response by Sgt Matthew Hill made Jul 9 at 2021 9:31 AM

2021-07-09T09:31:30-04:00

I went in with a murmur. I let them know at MEPS because murmurs are softly audible with a stethoscope, hence the name. The doc at MEPS (despite having it confirmed by 3 cardiologists) literally crossed it off my form. I still have it, crossed of and all, in my medical records. I was lucky enough to have my repair surgery after my EAS, but years ahead of when predicted. Aside from whether to say or not say anything, even the rigors of the military can play a factor in how your condition plays out. Either way, listen to your heart, both literally and figuratively, even if you weren't to enter service. It can save your life. Best of luck either way!

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jul 10 at 2021 9:14 AM

2021-07-10T09:14:53-04:00

Yeah, stfu!

Response by SGT Steven Wade made Jul 25 at 2021 8:38 AM

2021-07-25T08:38:33-04:00

Prison for you lil boy

Response by Capt Ed Piatek made Jul 31 at 2021 8:01 PM

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Response by Capt Ed Piatek made Jul 31 at 2021 8:01 PM

2021-07-31T20:01:27-04:00

No. I said no marijuana. Told exam Dr. He said not to tell. Found out every flier I flew with experimented with pot and also lied.

Response by SPC Will Thorson made Aug 1 at 2021 11:28 PM

2021-08-01T23:28:14-04:00

Doesn't matter. They found it already. You'll definitely find out soon enough. But, you are an adult. Don't lie. PERIOD. That's a great way for meps too kick you out without the chance of getting thru. Meps always figures out things. Good luck. Next time, be honest, it shows what kind of person you are to whoever you won't lie to.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2021 10:48 AM

2021-08-02T10:48:20-04:00

Clearly you didn't take your "friends" advice to play dumb since you're posting this question on a public forum.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Aug 2 at 2021 12:38 PM

2021-08-02T12:38:12-04:00

Do just that. Play dumb. You are not a Doctor and heart murmurs are often anything but. Irregular heart beat is a very common occurrence. It can be brought on by too much caffein, extended periods of exercise and other things. I have had one for years and retired after 32 years in the Military. I have never failed a PT test or failed to take one. I have scored numerous 300's as well. So unless you have in your medical records where a DOCTOR stated in writing you were at risk of heart problems due to a murmur then you should be fine. However under stand this. If years from now you have heart complications due to a heart murmur you will most likely NOT get a medical discharge. Then your little white lie will most likely come back to haunt you.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2021 7:08 PM

2021-08-02T19:08:03-04:00

Kind of depends where you are in the process and how bad the Army wants you. Was the doc at MEPS? Anyway you are going to a Cardiologist, come clean with them. I can not remember the exact wording of the SF 93, but I do believe it asks if you ever had, but hell I don't remember much I was told at 6. It is common to grow out of them and a minor one is not a big deal. I saw people in the Navy that had a slight murmur. Standards are different of course, but the Army has Profiles, the Navy doesn't, so they may give you one of them. So I doubt it will be a big deal, but be prepared.

Response by Kaitlyn Farnsworth made Aug 3 at 2021 4:13 PM

2021-08-03T16:13:34-04:00

In case anyone is still wondering about this question, a heart murmur does not affect your chances of being in the military very much. Unless they find it or it’s something actively causing problems, I wouldn’t even mention it. They found one during my husbands flight physical which is very hard to pass and told him it wasn’t even a concern because it is very minor. Also, I was diagnosed with one at 6 and 6 years later it was gone.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made Aug 4 at 2021 12:57 PM

2021-08-04T12:57:12-04:00

Tell the Cardiologist the truth about your history. He’ll run a few tests and make his recommendation.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made Aug 4 at 2021 1:05 PM

2021-08-04T13:05:21-04:00

Tell the Cardiologist your medical history. He/she will run a few tests (ECG, stress, and/or Echocardiogram), to determine the extent of any heart problems. If it’s something minor-no problem. But it could be caused by a major underlying problem. That murmur might save your life.

Response by Pvt Richard hm Baker made Aug 4 at 2021 3:37 PM

2021-08-04T15:37:03-04:00

Ya been denied up-chain to Crt.VetsAppeals ?

Response by CSM David Litteral made Aug 4 at 2021 6:54 PM

2021-08-04T18:54:59-04:00

I was the NCOIC of the Cleveland MEPS for 3 years. I saw a lot of this. If you haven't enlisted yet, don't worry about it, you are not subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. I hope you have learned a lesson about INTEGRITY. That said, even if you are disqualified, the USAREC Surgeon can provide you with a waiver for the condition and allow you to enlist. Good luck, I hope you get to join and serve honorably.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2021 9:28 PM

2021-08-04T21:28:36-04:00

Its all good. PS...what is you name rank and SSN?

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Aug 5 at 2021 4:49 PM

2021-08-05T16:49:21-04:00

If there is one thing I learned in 21 years in the army. If you make a mistake you own it and do what you can to fix it. But don’t lie and if you did own your to it and try to fix it.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Aug 5 at 2021 5:59 PM

2021-08-05T17:59:09-04:00

WHO DIDN'T LIE AT MEPS? Shut your suck and keep moving forward. If you don't want to ship that bad, DON'T! You won't be missed! You will however WISH you had as you get older and you'll end up being that guy always saying, "I almost went in"! Do you really want to be THAT GUY? Again, SHUT YOUR SUCK and keep moving!

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Aug 6 at 2021 8:42 AM

2021-08-06T08:42:26-04:00

Yes yet will. Best case scenario: they won't do anything about it and you can get out after your enlistment.
Worst case: they'll chapter you for fraudulent enlistment.
You should live in fear until ETS

Response by PO1 Patrick Covington made Aug 6 at 2021 9:20 AM

2021-08-06T09:20:47-04:00

I lied about the exact same thing and I told them later in boot and they didn't do anything and I finished boot

Response by MAJ Bob Firth made Aug 6 at 2021 10:39 AM

2021-08-06T10:39:36-04:00

Shaking my head.

Response by Lt Col Kevin Wyman made Aug 6 at 2021 7:12 PM

2021-08-06T19:12:47-04:00

Not Army, but a retired Air Force Medical Service Officer (Nurse Corps). Speak with those involved with your recruitment and be honest. If your civilian doctor said your childhood heart murmur was not of concern,speak with your recruiter, there may be a medical waver available. Ask your civilian doctor for a letter stating his findings. If the MEPS physician clears you, then you should be good to go. We did look at results of physical exams, but if the MEPS physician cleared a recruit, we usually accepted the MEPS physician's findings.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2021 3:15 PM

2021-08-07T15:15:36-04:00

As a former LNO for IET I would recommend for you to disclose your medical condition at the moment of truth (last chance to disclose any medical condition while inprocessing). If the military finds out you failed to disclose the information after you inprocess and you suffer a medical incident then your company commander has the option to discharge you under fraudulent chapter and that could have LIFELONG consequences when it comes to employment, financial aid etc.

Response by SFC Richard Baerlocher made Aug 7 at 2021 7:30 PM

2021-08-07T19:30:54-04:00

Lying on any Government paperwork is a felony. As far as the military is concerned, if at a future date while in the service you have a problem because of the heart murmur, you could be booted out, and get an undesirable or dishonorable discharge with no benefits. Be honest, tell the truth and take the consequences.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2021 2:55 AM

2021-08-08T02:55:05-04:00

So, MEPS found your murmur. If you can't join bc of it, the lie is a moot point. There's also a difference between honesty and falling on your sword.

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Aug 8 at 2021 3:07 AM

2021-08-08T03:07:50-04:00

You thought it was not going to be an issue and not show up . But it still was and is an issue and you lied about it . I guess you were thinking being truthful would make it an issue or have them looking closer . Either way you made it a question of ethics and personal integrity as well as the condition . But they are giving you a chance by sending you to a specialist even after lying so it's clear they are still considering you . But i can assure you the one thing they don't want is for your condition to cause you to drop dead in training . And understand if the specialist determines it's an issue he/she is trying to save your life from you putting it at unnecessary risk .

Response by Sgt Ed Beal made Aug 8 at 2021 1:47 PM

2021-08-08T13:47:59-04:00

Yes they may check! I am allergic to bees I marked yes on my forms and after getting stung and needing an eppi shot and benidril? They did pull my enlistment forms , my recruiter had changed it to no, I would have been in big trouble according to the flight line surgeon that treated me. If it was not there on your entrance physical you probably out grew it and that would be hard to prove. But posting such questions on a public site may not be smart. But at this point play dumb they may not find anything that will be a problem.

Response by PO1 Carlton Clay made Aug 8 at 2021 2:20 PM

2021-08-08T14:20:48-04:00

Are you already in the service or in a delayed entry program? You should talk to your recruiter and be honest if you are in a DEP. You may also have the opportunity in boot camp to disclose this, but that is the worse case scenario. The service needs good people, and we are in your side- but you want to do this the right way.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2021 6:56 AM

2021-08-13T06:56:38-04:00

I had a heart murmur when I was little. Told them I had surgery to fix it, went to my cardiologist to run tests. Gave all the paperwork to MEPS, im pretty sure there wasn't any waivers for me to get in. Did 3 years as a 11B so yeah, heart murmurs are not a disqualifier in my experience. I'm not sure who told you to lie but that's a no go

Response by PV2 Robert H. made Aug 14 at 2021 4:18 PM

2021-08-14T16:18:27-04:00

While I can understand why you would have done this, you have royalty screwed up. If you are now sworn in, you can be charged with defrauding the government and will still be subject to UCMJ. Which means no slap on the wrist this time. I'm giving you the straight forward, honest, unfiltered truth here. Your biggest mistake? Posting this question on the internet. It is now permanently out there, fo all to see, forever. Also this platform has active duty on it.. and quite possibly a few from JAG. I would suggest, in my humble opinion, you go to you're recruiter and inform him.
I can tell you from personal experience, they do go back and check medical history for major issues, surgeries, and concerns.. they found a potentially disqualifying doctors appointment I had when I was 4 years old, that I knew nothing about. Long story short on that one, that appointment was to test for ADHD and my results where never added to the record (back in the days of, "every kid has ADHD, medicate them all") and my parents never told me because I don't have it, there for it wasn't important. Well, it was important to Uncle Sam.. important enough that I had to go find a last minute doc, pay outta pocket to get tested for ADHD, and get the results submitted so they could determine if i was "worth the risk"

So no, don't lie. But since you did, it's time to live by the core values... most applicability, integrity and honesty. Go do the right thing, consequences be damned. And there will be consequences, even if you get lucky and all they say is "OK, thank you for your time.. go home now"

I wish you the best, and I hope you get good news on your medical condition. My prayers out to you.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Aug 16 at 2021 9:29 AM

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Integrity is a core value! Not Military material! Come clean and get out

Response by MSgt Hamish Barrett made Aug 16 at 2021 11:13 AM

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Yes, the MEPS will request your medical records. Also, you were six. During my time as a recruiter there was a prospect with a heart murmur that was found at MEPS. He did not know he had a heart murmur because his parents never told him because they did not want him to grow up using it as an excuse. His heart murmur was not significant and he was passed. And by the way, do not lie anymore.

Response by Sgt Greg Nowark made Aug 16 at 2021 11:17 AM

2021-08-16T11:17:35-04:00

As an aside, parts of my military service enlistment were inaccurate, missing, incomplete (for some good, for others not so good - smile). Unless you have requested, and looked, at YOUR RECORDS, you cannot really have any idea what could be in there. I would have suggested getting them, but 3weeks isn't enough time for THIS review, but do you think there could be another?

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Aug 16 at 2021 4:19 PM

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They will try to get some records but 17 or 18 years ago, evetything wasn't put in digital format like now. If the cardiologist clears you, problem solved. If not, your older medical records won't matter. My Granddaughter tried to reenlist for five years and her first two Recruiters were lazy and simply aat on her paperwork, but in fairness, may have assumed her medical history would make their efforts a waste of time. The 3rd Recruiter put the papers thrugh and she was required to get doctors' statements because when she was a young teen, a doctor put her on meds for depression after her Mom passed away after a lengthy illness. She did that, and then MEPS sat on it. Two more tries and more doctor statements and she finally gave upt trying to enlist. I know all that isn't germaine to your situation; but if the cardiologist clears you, you MIGHT still be stonewalled and told to get more statements.
As for owwning up to what happened when you were six, that's not a big deal. In the 50's, my parents were told by a children's hospital that I had polio. I knew nothing about that when I reenlisted and never was told, except in passing AFTER I'd slready served for 12+years.
All that said, and after reading many pro and con comments here, remember that he said that he had been told that he, "would grouw out of it." In his mind he had, so why even mention it? It SEEMS that his concern onoly arose when the MEPS found a murmur. To him, he felt he had grown out of it as his post suggests.
Great comments by the way, pro and con.

Response by 1stLt Jon Finstad made Aug 17 at 2021 7:28 AM

2021-08-17T07:28:18-04:00

Uhh, you know that SOMEONE will see this, word will travel.
We don't need people with low integrity.

Response by SPC John Coleman made Aug 27 at 2021 3:15 PM

2021-08-27T15:15:37-04:00

Idiot

Response by PO3 Kenneth Suvanto made Aug 31 at 2021 4:45 PM

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Sir John, I think you are perfect for Biden's Military! You do know part of the test is for your Morals...you'll fit right in, don't worry. Sincerely, Ken

Response by SPC Louis Copechal made Sep 6 at 2021 3:03 PM

2021-09-06T15:03:05-04:00

If you were told you would grow out of it, then no lie was told. You understood that it had the potential to never happen. But in the medical field, nothing is for certain as we grow. Talk to your recruiter, Meps is the beginning stages of acceptance INTO a military branch, and not the final stage. The final stage is finger print process, shots and then sworn in "Oath taken". Again talk to your recruiter.

Response by SPC Scott Rice made Sep 11 at 2021 11:24 PM

2021-09-11T23:24:04-04:00

In the days of health insurance the records are easy for them to get. Your time in the military is over before it began. Even if they don't find the records you will not be able to get in with a medical issue as serious as that. People have died during basic training due to medical causes so they will not gamble with this.

Response by SSG James Stodola made Sep 12 at 2021 11:03 AM

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Well, first of all you do realize that this is a public forum and you just admitted to violating Art. 83 of the UCMJ. (the elements of fraudulent enlistment or appointment, Article 83, UCMJ, are: (a) that the accused was enlisted or appointed in an armed force; (b) that the accused knowingly misrepresented or deliberately concealed a certain material fact or facts regarding qualifications of the accused for enlistment or appointment; I don't know who this doctor was nor why he said that it is not a big deal. It's no huge, but if your heart is not in top condition then you could be endangering yourself and potentially others if you are unable to do your duty, especially under extreme conditions. Technically this an outright lie, as you stated and could be subject to Art. 83 summary judgement. You might want to come clean to all concerned before they decide to take it any further. Here is a list of the disqualifying conditions. https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html

In short, this would be what they will look at to make their determination.

Heart
The following conditions may disqualify you for military service:

a. All valvular heart diseases, congenital or acquired, including those improved by surgery except mitral valve prolapse and bicuspid aortic valve. These latter two conditions are not reasons for rejection unless there is associated tachyarrhythmia, mitral regurgitation, aortic stenosis, insufficiency or cardiomegaly.

Now, I don't now your reason for lying, but as you can clearly see it was not a good idea, and having said that I will leave it there as I am not you mother or father. You are presumably an adult now and have to take responsibility for all actions and decisions. If your desire was to truly serve your country, I admire that, just not the way you went about it. Come clean and see what happens.

Medical Conditions That Can Keep You from Joining the Military

These standards generally apply to all branches of the military. None of them are automatic disqualifiers, just red flags.

Response by PO2 Jason Brooks made Sep 13 at 2021 9:46 AM

2021-09-13T09:46:42-04:00

Deny deny deny...

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2021 11:29 AM

2021-09-13T11:29:20-04:00

It depends on what the Army Regs are for medical preconditions. However, most regs state that if have outgrown them before the age of 12 you’re fine. On the other hand, if it’s something that you know you can die from during training you have to ask yourself is it really worth lying about in order to enlist

Response by SMSgt Kevin Townsend made Sep 13 at 2021 3:40 PM

2021-09-13T15:40:58-04:00

I spent 16 years as a recruiter. You say, "I was told..." Told by who, because that makes a HUGE difference. If a medical doctor directly told you of a murmur then you should have disclosed it, if asked, at the MEPS because you received a genuine diagnosis. I cannot tell you how many times I have had applicants who said the same thing. When I asked them WHO told them, many if not most said, "My mom." I usually then asked, "Is your mom a licensed and trained medical doctor?" If they said "Yes" then they had received a genuine diagnosis. I always told them to tell the truth and not hide a medical diagnosis. If mom was not a medical professional then they had just received an opinion that carried NO medical weight. Just because someone tells me that I am the President of the United States does not mean that I get to live in the White House. You must have the training, experience, and legal authority to issue a medical diagnosis. Opinions; everyone has one but that does not mean they are accurate or true.

Response by SA V B made Sep 13 at 2021 5:24 PM

2021-09-13T17:24:45-04:00

Uh, there are no such thing as public "medical records". These documents are protected by law and there is no database.

The dumbest thing you did was come here and ask about it using your real name.

If there's a problem they'll find it.

If you wanted a security clearance you probably just fucked yourself.

Response by AB Roger Zauner made Sep 13 at 2021 6:51 PM

2021-09-13T18:51:45-04:00

Lie baby lie! Lying is what makes the world go 'round and lying is what makes money!

Does anybody really think the world spins via gravity/inertia or people are going to honestly give money away?

On a more serious note, listen to your recruiter.

Response by CPO Gerald Burns made Sep 14 at 2021 7:27 AM

2021-09-14T07:27:47-04:00

I have seen many people that lied about that and it never came up again in their career. I was going to enlist in the Navy and work in Medical (Hospital Corpsman) and revealed it to my recruiter. He also encouraged me to say nothing to and had to fill out a waiver for experimental use of Cannabis and it went through with no problem. It was never a problem and I was cleared.

I decided that it was better to reveal it instead of hiding it. Medical is one place where lying is dangerous and can be a serious problem. I was an Independent Duty Corpsman and clearance was required to hold the position. I passed my clearance and it was even mentioned that I experimentally used cannabis. The truth was told and I was cleared for full access.

How you proceed from here is your choice from here but stay consistent in what you say. Changing your story can be dangerous. The truth is always the best way to proceed. Good luck however you decide to go.

Response by CPL Matt Johnson made Sep 15 at 2021 3:20 AM

2021-09-15T03:20:23-04:00

You do not belong in the military. You are a waste of air and dumb fuck for posting this type of question on the site. Advice for future.... if your not cut out for military service, accept it!!!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2021 1:15 PM

2021-09-16T13:15:43-04:00

Wouldn't recommend posting this but if your just going for normal army stuff without a top secret clearance nobody should be digging through your civilian records unless you provide it. If it becomes a problem while your in you may get in some trouble.

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Sep 16 at 2021 3:32 PM

2021-09-16T15:32:20-04:00

First off, you best understand what a heart murmur is and ramifications. Depending upon the cause, it could be life threatening. Or it might be a sign of physical fitness.

Fess up ASAP. Lies are what hurt you and your opportunity. Getting access to classified info is dependent upon your perceived integrity. At some point, you might be subjected to a polygraph. Guess what they ask.

Back to heart murmur— if it was a serious condition, do you think the Federal government (VA) should be responsible to you as a vet for that preexisting condition! We all have a personal moral code, what is yours?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2021 6:18 PM

2021-09-16T18:18:40-04:00

They won’t go back in your records. But it wouldn’t matter if you told them or not they figured it out

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Sep 17 at 2021 12:26 AM

2021-09-17T00:26:15-04:00

yes d.o.d federal(department of defense0 AND THE D.O.J (department of justice) f.b.i.is doing an investigation on you from the time you join the military to to go to boot camp.

Response by LCpl Roderick Winters made Nov 18 at 2021 1:05 PM

2021-11-18T13:05:31-05:00

FYI, the responses to your post are an example of what you will be facing in the military and beyond your time in service. You will discover that emotional empathy on medical matters is hard to come by.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Nov 18 at 2021 1:50 PM

2021-11-18T13:50:09-05:00

Normally I would offer advice but I can't on this one. Sorry. As LTC Mackay said " you are aware you are on a public website and that anyone can read this, right?"

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Nov 18 at 2021 4:39 PM

2021-11-18T16:39:25-05:00

Please remember this is a public community, I suggest to never lied to anybody even if you or the recruiters known about it and tell you that by saying a certain thing will automatic disqualified and such, then you must be honest and tell the true, if meps find out you could get in trouble with them or your chain of command later down the road. I'm sorry if you have a condition that might prevent you from joining but always being honest then getting find out and you could get a bad discharge.

Response by Sgt Kerry Thurlow made Nov 18 at 2021 4:41 PM

2021-11-18T16:41:45-05:00

In many cases your records will be reviewed because you have been referred for further evaluation.

Depending on the type of murmur, you have probably grown out of it. Many youngsters have a Stills. Murmur...which generally goes away by puberty.

Best case is to be honest....

Response by SSG Kc Jack made Nov 18 at 2021 10:46 PM

2021-11-18T22:46:29-05:00

The ain't gonna do anything to you. You are still in MEPS. After MEPS though, they would.

Response by SPC Alex Snow made Nov 19 at 2021 10:57 PM

2021-11-19T22:57:57-05:00

You dummy. Now they will know.

Response by SFC James Allen made Nov 20 at 2021 2:34 AM

2021-11-20T02:34:59-05:00

Don’t worry about it. Chances are not good that you will pass your physical. Heart murmurs are serious business. The cardio consult may go your way but, the branch will require a med waiver to enlist you. Med waivers for heart murmurs are rarely approved, especially when the murmur is still present. If, by some rare chance, your waiver is approved, you’re covered. I doubt that childhood med records would be requested at this point. Good luck!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2021 3:17 AM

2021-11-20T03:17:40-05:00

There is no universal health care record. Unless they know what doctor and hospital treated you they won’t find it. Also if they do request the records you have to consent because of Hippa. So just don’t consent if they ask for records from the hospital or doctors office you were seen at as a kid.

Response by SGT Glenn E Moody made Nov 20 at 2021 9:12 AM

2021-11-20T09:12:45-05:00

I have the same issue after the 9/11 attackes I went to re-enlist I was 40 at the time they hooked me to the EKG said I have an irregulor heart beat go to A civilian Cardiologist if that doctor gave me A pass they would let me back in at the time I did not have the $$$$ or INS. to go see the Civilian Doctor. on the play dumb issue I was told the same from the Recruter. I was in A bad verry bad car crash about A year before I didn't want to lie so I told the recruter he told me not to say anything about that just play dumb. I would get A go or A nogo. it was the National Guard again they took us to the Newport RI. NAVY Hospital for A Reenlistment Physical the vision part of it they said i was color blind I see solid colors fine. since then I have had the full heart check out ordered by my own Doctor it showed extra large muscular on the left side of my heart causing the irregular heart beat. so the bottom line is they (recurter) don't come out and tell you to lie they tell you to play dumb and don't say anything period that's the way if you get asked after the fact of passing or not passing YOU DIDN"T LIE. if the issue is not bad enough they will let you stay in. if it bad they will just give you A Medical Discharge.

Response by Sgt Nick Nuovavita made Nov 20 at 2021 10:02 AM

2021-11-20T10:02:48-05:00

They will now since you put it out for the world to see.

Response by SSgt Jonathon Alexander made Nov 20 at 2021 10:06 AM

2021-11-20T10:06:58-05:00

What medical records? I was not aware that you provide medical records during MEPS (you don't). They can't just "go through" your records. That is HIPAA-protected information and can ONLY be accessed if you provide written, legal consent to the specific physicians who own those records. They ask you to sign a release for your medical records, but that is absolutely useless. IF they went to a physician asking for your records, the doctor WILL contact you directly asking for your consent and you absolutely do not have to provide it. IT WILL NOT COME TO THIS. They will not waste time doing that for you. Do not lie...but when you lie, know your rights before you do it and you will not be in these anxiety-inducing situations.

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Response by SFC Larry Jones made Nov 20 at 2021 8:58 PM

2021-11-20T20:58:44-05:00

I have been retired for 26 years. I spent 11 years in Recruiting Command. Never Never lie to MEPS. It will come back on you every time.

Response by SPC Melissa Lee made Nov 20 at 2021 9:51 PM

2021-11-20T21:51:54-05:00

I had a heart murmur that I never grew out of. Never lie. I was still on active duty and did my job very well. I do have a pacemaker but it had nothing to do with the murmur. I think you should really think about taking this post down because it may come to bite you in the ass in the future

Response by MCPO Russell Neal made Nov 20 at 2021 10:29 PM

2021-11-20T22:29:42-05:00

I don't remember a single Dr's visit I ever had from before I was around 12 or 13.

Response by 1SG Paul Ayotte made Nov 20 at 2021 10:51 PM

2021-11-20T22:51:03-05:00

Play it out and find out what the DR'S say. I doubt UCMJ will happen. Don't worry, 'it is what it is'

Response by Sgt Greg Puckett made Nov 21 at 2021 9:29 AM

2021-11-21T09:29:09-05:00

Dude! If they let you in. Don't go into military intelligence.

Response by SGT Mustafa Stokely made Nov 23 at 2021 9:29 PM

2021-11-23T21:29:13-05:00

At this point, you have little recourse but to let things play out. It is best that it was caught so early, and at this stage, most they are likely to do is to deny you enlistment. As for playing "dumb," I think you've already done this. (Sorry, I am not being mean, but this was not a smart thing to do.) At any rate, if they do allow you in, and note your heart condition, (be sure that they do!) you can then receive treatment by the VA, long after you are out of the military, if such treatment becomes necessary in the future.

Response by CPO Gerald Burns made Nov 24 at 2021 1:16 PM

2021-11-24T13:16:12-05:00

The possibility that the heart murmur is not present as an adult, happens sometimes. The defect in your heart can spontaneously heal itself in some cases. You may be lucky in that matter.

I will just state my feeling as a medical professional on the biggest matter I see. Not trying to make anyone mad, but there is a MUCH bigger problem in this case. The biggest problem, as I see it, is that you have a baseline dishonesty in you that may cause bigger problems. This problem may not effect you directly but could have a staggering effect on anyone that is placed under your command. I was with the Fleet Marine Force as a Corpsman and it is a big risk letting you supervise men or women. I have had several cases where I had to disqualify men from coming onto active duty until it is reviewed by a psychiatrist who could clear the person in question for active duty or even retention in a reserve component.

Putting false statement on a physical is a punishable offense if they wanted to push it. You should re-evaluate your desire to be in the military and decide if it is really what you want. Getting caught doing something like that on active duty would likely get you a quick trip home and an other than honorable discharge.

I know that a lot of people would say these statements are harsh, but I assure you, they could happen. In any case, I wish you luck in your decision.

Response by PO1 William Wingate made Jan 8 at 2022 2:56 PM

2022-01-08T14:56:01-05:00

Probably not do bc anything at all, but Today’s Military is a lot different than when I was in, did your Recruiter tell you not to B mention this problem? I knew a few that would have just to make their quota

Response by PO1 David Kingsley made Jan 14 at 2022 2:52 AM

2022-01-14T02:52:28-05:00

As a former Recruiter, if there is no proof that something was said or done, then you don't need to document it. That being Said, at the Age of Six, not everyone can remember what they were told, so you may have misheard the doctor.
the MEPS station doesn't have the time, to request everyone's Medical Records, unless there is a Problem that you tell them about.
If your Current Civilian Doctor tells you that you have no heart murmur at this time, then you would have no problem and could document it on your enlistment contract if you want or not.
If the Doctor who found it, was at the MEPS station, and he says it's no big deal, then document it as required and move on.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2022 9:06 AM

2022-01-19T09:06:07-05:00

I would say since, your label is "potential recriut", that you have not signed the contract. Be aware that once you sign the contract, actions like this could place you into a situation where you could be charged for falsifying government documents. I would also add that you need to seriously reconsider your morals. A, you are lying and b, if you are lying to gain a benefit; neither of these morals are in alignment with morals required of Soldiers. Since you felt the need to admit to lying on an open website, that is easily found, understand now what azimuth check means. Are you on the right path in life to join an organization where people's lives can potentially be dependant on your willingness to place others before yourself?

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2022 10:34 AM

2022-01-20T10:34:26-05:00

Lol when you get that security clearance they will find out

Response by LCpl Nicholas Ackerson made Jan 21 at 2022 4:18 AM

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I would not worry about it right now.

Let the doctors do what they do.

The Doctors are going to say yes or no.

Response by SPC Daniel Killam made Jan 21 at 2022 2:31 PM

2022-01-21T14:31:27-05:00

Did you sign an ROI? You were six. Now you just coped to it. Shoulda kept your mouth shut. Delete this. YOU FORGOT BECAUSE YOU WERE SIX. NOW DELETE THIS THREAD.

Response by SN Dale "CG" Veach made Jan 21 at 2022 7:30 PM

2022-01-21T19:30:22-05:00

Cats out of the bag now...

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Jan 22 at 2022 10:20 AM

2022-01-22T10:20:51-05:00

I had just started my Senior Year in High School. Have been back ib session about a month or so and then I get the letter to report for a Preinduction physical. I had Registered for the Draft that summer and was classified as 1 A and Not 1 SH which was a student deferment. We had to go to the Post Office and board a bus and off to an Army Quatermasterbase in the south of town. Flunked the physical, due to High Blood Pressure. We to the Doctoer after that and was then puit into the hospital for tests after that for a week. Nothing found. Put on meds and a no salt low sodium diet (that did not go weel with Charles Chips around). Easter break ('65), I head down to the Federal building where all the Recruiters were. I had intended to follw my dad and 4 uncles into the Navy (one uncle moved to the Army after WWII and retired). The first one I get to is the Coast Guard. Found out it counted as my Military Obligation and I rather liked the Idea of Living on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. Anyway, I started processing. Got to the Physical and i was like. "here we go." made sure I had taken my meds and off I went. To my surprise I got through the Physical. Got back to school and all that was left was to Graduate, get sworn in and go. That is what I did. Got to basic and lo and behold, ANOTHER physical. Needless to say, I did NOT pack my meds. Figured that was the end and I would be going home. To my surprise I got through them. I never mentioned the High Blood Pressure. The Draft Board never forgot me either, I got another notice while I was in Basic. My Mom forwarded it to me. My Company Commander / D.I. was not pleased. I was told to forget it and that, in his words, "The Coast Guard already owns your ass."

Response by SSgt Ryan Sylvester made Jan 23 at 2022 3:57 AM

2022-01-23T03:57:24-05:00

So if you lie in MEPS and military finds out, yeah, they can certainly go back.

That said, you had a murmur. Literally just your heart making a noise as it's pumping away. It's an indicator that there could be a problem, but typically you're showing up with other symptoms for it to actually be a big deal.

Response by SPC Daniel Hailstone made Jan 23 at 2022 10:15 AM

2022-01-23T10:15:38-05:00

Oh my God. These comments. I guess there are folks out there that have never told a lie in their entire life. Liars. Lmao

Response by SGT Jim Kowalski made Jan 23 at 2022 1:22 PM

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I sure hope they go back and find your lie. You failed the character challenge

Response by SP5 James Elmore made Jan 23 at 2022 3:18 PM

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A heart murmur can be serious business. You could conceivably need a valve replacement. Do you want to risk death being overactive in the military. OTOH, it could be nothing to worry about. You are an adult, time to quit lying. Man up and tell the truth from here on out. Such things can affect your ability to be cleared for classified information. BTW, now you want the taxpayer to pay for your medical condition that existed before you joined and then continue to pay through veterans benefits. If you don't come clean, no other way to say it; you are a thief.

Response by SrA Hal Nelson made Jan 23 at 2022 7:14 PM

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Like many people I have known, I was also diagnosed with a heart murmur at a young age. No mention was made of having one throughout the rest of my life, including at my USAF physical when I enlisted. And I was an army brat, so I had constant medical check-ups.
My 4th and last year of service I was assigned to a group that flew emergency missions to provide secure communications anywhere they were needed. I had just had a departure physical when I left PACAF, and an incoming exam when I arrived at my new base. Soon after I was sent for a Flight Physical, necessary for my new job..
I was told that I had failed that because I had a heart murmur. I was upset, and asked what my future was, since I needed it to do my job.
I was told by the doctor that I would still be flying, but I would not receive the $50 monthly Flight Pay.
When my enlistment was over a year later, I had my discharge physical and was told I was in fine shape. I asked about my heart, they said "What murmur?'

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2022 8:05 PM

2022-01-23T20:05:42-05:00

I went through MEPS in 2020 and from my experience MEPS won’t know. However, later down the line if your past medical condition becomes an issue of being fit and Army finds you falsified your enlistment, there can be serious consequences.

Response by MSgt Jason McClish made Jan 23 at 2022 8:49 PM

2022-01-23T20:49:48-05:00

Very well could be facing UCMJ action for something (I’m not a lawyer). Fraudulent enlistment comes to mind. You very well may be seeing prison time, if found guilty and depending on what sentences for any crimes would be.

Response by SPC Larry Weigel Jr. made Jan 23 at 2022 9:04 PM

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A lie of omission is still a lie and, as such, is not honorable or worthy of a soldier. Now it’s a bit late to wonder or worry since you came forward on a public site so accept whatever befalls upon you.

Response by CWO4 Josh Henley made Jan 23 at 2022 10:43 PM

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The fact that you omitted the truth, is a red flag right there. You should not be telling us this, you should be telling your command.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 23 at 2022 10:56 PM

2022-01-23T22:56:08-05:00

So you lied on official documents- that's UCMJ action, probably sent home. So why should the Army, your command believe anything now or in the future. Your leaders and buddies have to be about to trust you with a lot of things including their lives, yet by your own admission, you are a liar. Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2022 12:35 AM

2022-01-24T00:35:06-05:00

If everyone told the truth we wouldn't have half the Army we have now. And only 30% of the population can serve. I wonder what percentage that would actually be of the welling to serve less than 1%. And if we end up in a real war with China or Russia yea the standards will drop dramatically. They will beg people to serve.

Response by SPC Geoffrey Jenkins made Jan 24 at 2022 7:52 AM

2022-01-24T07:52:25-05:00

MEPS may or may not find out about the untruthful information you gave them,before the Dept of Defense invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in your training they want to make sure your healthy enough to serve.I have a heart murmur myself and I was still able to serve in the Navy and Army with no problems at all,you should have been upfront with MEPS and take whatever the results were going to be and move on and congratulations for making the effort to serve our country!

Response by SSgt James Atkinson made Jan 24 at 2022 8:54 AM

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If it is a medical problem, your experience at boot camp will likely smoke it out. The problem is if you die at boot camp, there will be an investigation that will turn up your childhood medical records. But since you posted this on a public website, you will most likely be outed by other veterans, so that you avoid an unfortunate outcome at basic training. At this juncture, the best outcome is to step forward and "correct" a misstatement you made at MEPS. As there can be a great deal of psychological pressure placed on a potential recruit at MEPS, and tremendous pressure applied during the recruiting process, the sooner you admit (officially) the misstatement and correct your records the fewer hassles you will have. Recruits routinely lie during the recruitment and induction stages, and a quick and easy EKG and stress test (a medical test) will document if your heart murmur is an issue or not. But, the military will use some psychological pressure to determine if they regard you as ethical or honorable enough to remain in the military. You probably grew out of the heart murmur, as most do, but be an honorable man, step forward and correct the error.

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Jan 24 at 2022 9:22 AM

2022-01-24T09:22:41-05:00

Dude, really? Duty Honor Country. You could have gotten a wavier form the get go.

Response by Maj Raymond Clark made Jan 24 at 2022 12:33 PM

2022-01-24T12:33:29-05:00

Being a former MEPS commander, I can tell you not to worry. Once you're in, you're in. Any decision to release you from your contract will be based on today's information. Be at peace.

Response by Maj Raymond Clark made Jan 24 at 2022 12:35 PM

2022-01-24T12:35:26-05:00

Being a former MEPS commander, I can tell you not to worry. Once you're in, you're in. Unless you turned out to be a mass murderer, you won't be bounced for anything that happened at the MEPS. Any decision to release you from you contract will be based on today. Be at peace.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2022 5:26 PM

2022-01-24T17:26:44-05:00

Stick with honesty as there's only one story to remember. Med Consults can go either way. Hopefully you provided all past records.

Response by CW4 Don Nicholas made Jan 24 at 2022 10:32 PM

2022-01-24T22:32:47-05:00

When I got out they skipped over many potential VA claims that were damned near impossible to recover for a claim 30 years later. I'm guessing the claim investigators against the claim never needs to do much, they just tell you "prove it".

Response by LTC Denis Sullivan made Jan 25 at 2022 3:58 PM

2022-01-25T15:58:04-05:00

Come clean at the follow up exam. Claim youthful exuberance and desire to serve. Trust me- you do not want this hanging over your conscience. Also- you should consider if something happen that results in your death in service. If it can be connected to your preexisting heart condition that you LIED ABOUT, the government may possibly deny some or all of your death benefits. I have a rule to live by- it's not the crime that gets you, its the cover-up. Those consequences are generally far worse. Good luck!

Response by Maj Ron Perry made Jan 25 at 2022 5:55 PM

2022-01-25T17:55:00-05:00

It's called fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2022 8:31 PM

2022-01-25T20:31:17-05:00

Everyone is acting like MEPs will come on rally points to find him; it might not even be his real name, lol.

Response by CPO Kenneth Knerr made Jan 25 at 2022 11:08 PM

2022-01-25T23:08:27-05:00

I think you can kiss the Personnel Reliability Program goodbye. Possibly a Secret or higher clearance as well.

Response by Jonathan Belew made Jan 26 at 2022 9:39 PM

2022-01-26T21:39:38-05:00

I lied that it didn't hurt when the doctor stuck two fingers through my hernia in my grown. But I also ended up not joining

Response by SSG Gregg Alls made Jan 26 at 2022 10:59 PM

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If they found it and you can't get a medical waiver for it you may be outta luck.

Response by 1LT David Wood made Jan 27 at 2022 7:37 PM

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Sounds like you were diagnosed 12 years or so ago. You've been advised it wasn't a big deal by the medical professional who diagnosed you, so you had plenty of reason not to consider it worth mentioning. I suspect you're only calling it lying out of nerves. Besides, your heart has likely matured after 12 years. And if they do check your records they'll likely have you get tested anyway. If it does turn out to be a problem, be grateful they found it. But you should get it checked out either way. You don't want to have a heart issue in a critical situation, especially with your fellow troops counting on you.

Response by 1LT David Wood made Jan 27 at 2022 7:38 PM

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Response by SGM Thomas Adderley made Jan 28 at 2022 8:46 PM

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You lied and now you are worried about the consequences; well, you have proven you cannot be trusted, regardless of the circumstances it is soldiers like you that I do not want in my Army.

Response by PO2 Jamie Lawson made Jan 29 at 2022 1:13 PM

2022-01-29T13:13:35-05:00

You can pretty much bet on it. At boot camp I saw several admit to being dishonest when enlisting, most were sent home. It depends on what you lied about how bad it will be. I heard people admitting to everything from parking tickets, theft to drug use. Never a good thing to lie on anything dealing with the government.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Jan 30 at 2022 7:45 AM

2022-01-30T07:45:44-05:00

Heart murmur is common....6 y/o I am sure at 6 yu didn't have complete understanding. You will be ok

Response by PO2 Jamie Lawson made Jan 30 at 2022 7:55 PM

2022-01-30T19:55:38-05:00

What's done is done, nothing you can do about it now. If the doctors at MEPS didn't find any heart murmur, then you're good, if they do, you go home. Most likely will only get a lecture if you do still have one.

Response by PFC Chadwick Allison made Feb 9 at 2022 10:00 PM

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You lied so it will catch up to you. Why would think that you can lie and get away with that?
That makes me what else you lied about...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2022 2:19 AM

2022-02-25T02:19:17-05:00

They most likely won’t. It will become an issue if you get in and it becomes an issue, which at that point, if they know you knew about it prior, they can take UCMJ action and discharge you.

Response by SGT Timothy Zeglis made Mar 22 at 2022 6:29 AM

2022-03-22T06:29:20-04:00

Do yourself a favor and DELETE THIS THREAD!!!!
you will be fine as long as the wrong person doesn't read this, if they do you will be barred from enlistment at the very least. If they wanted to make an example out of you they could prosecute you.
Lying to Get Into the Military is a Felony
The Manual for Courts-martial (MCM) lists the maximum punishment for a violation of this article as: dishonorable discharge, reduction to the lowest enlisted rank, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement at hard labor for two years.

Response by PFC John Behrman made Mar 22 at 2022 10:11 AM

2022-03-22T10:11:01-04:00

I agree with ZaGara. This is something you need to come clean about before you are sworn in to your recruiter. If it's a none issue as you claim by your doctor, then MEPS may clear you. But if they clear you and later CID finds out, you can be dishonorably discharged or worse.

Plus if for some reason you are placed into a combat situation and your heart fails do to it and you get men killed, would you be willing to live with that if you survive the encounter?

I understand the drive to serve, but if you are not medically able to, it is best to step aside.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 22 at 2022 10:13 AM

2022-03-22T10:13:33-04:00

Lol

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 22 at 2022 10:28 AM

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Unfortunately From Commander in Chief all the way down to PVT “no body cares” from your local school board to the senate, from your local police to the top justice, integrity, loyalty, honor are just words. But you as a nobody recruit will be held to a higher standard of integrity and honor if the situation and person catching your issue determine that making an example of you will float their skirt. Coming on RP and admitting you purposely withheld medical information is evidence that can be used to deny you enlistment and or a security clearance. So your heart murmur is irrelevant as cause for denying enlistment.

Response by SPC Daniel Dresen made Mar 22 at 2022 10:56 PM

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If you hadn't posted this, nobody would have known or cared. Seriously. Now that you have, congrats, you opened pandoras box, and may be rejected. If, by some miracle, nobody in the chain at MEPS sees this, it could still bite you in the rear and you might be separated later under fraudulent enlistment.

Response by CPL Kyle Jordan made Mar 24 at 2022 12:24 PM

2022-03-24T12:24:24-04:00

Don't say anything. Most kids have murmurs it's not uncommon let a doctor tell you if you still have one. If you do just say I had no idea

Response by Lt Col Brad Hornsby made Mar 24 at 2022 3:09 PM

2022-03-24T15:09:43-04:00

Not only do I agree with LTC Jason Mackay, I would further point out this question should be addressed to an attorney (hopefully a JAG or former JAG) who is bound by attorney client privilege from telling anyone (not that you just told everyone). I would not seek cardiac advice over the internet, I believe that legal advice over the internet is worth even less than what you pay for it (nada!).

Response by SFC Allen Murphy made Mar 24 at 2022 6:25 PM

2022-03-24T18:25:26-04:00

Wow.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2022 7:53 AM

2022-03-25T07:53:13-04:00

Now they know that you lied. Good luck.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2022 11:22 AM

2022-03-25T11:22:16-04:00

Brother, this post is 3years old and has been seen by thousands of people. If you managed to get in and not get caught this far, delete this post.

Response by SPC Delores Ford made Mar 25 at 2022 12:22 PM

2022-03-25T12:22:52-04:00

I served in the Army for 12 years with a heart murmur but that was such a long time ago and it didn't seem to matter then. Sometimes the doctors hear it and sometimes they do not. I was very young when I was diagnosed, as well.

Response by TSgt Manuel Perez made Mar 25 at 2022 3:51 PM

2022-03-25T15:51:43-04:00

This is falls under falsification that is in your entry records, also as the LTC stated this is a public site, and everything you write confirms false information, and fall the USMJ.

Response by SSG Patrick Green made Mar 25 at 2022 9:10 PM

2022-03-25T21:10:44-04:00

Yes we will look as matter of fact I’m going to be looking into you tonight
And I’ll even do you one better I’m going to have my boys down at the IRS take a look at your tax returns for the last five years and if one initial is out of line one T is uncrossed your going to be fucked John

Response by PO2 David Nunnery made Mar 25 at 2022 11:35 PM

2022-03-25T23:35:20-04:00

They take anyone these days, the current military is desperate and confused and isn't really a military or armed force anymore, just another scam opportunity, don't worry about it. Don't pay any attention to those trying to intimidate or scare you for posting this question, and avoid their kind when you start "serving". Good Luck and make the best of it or like everyone else get your and get some. And make sure you scam the VA on the way out as well, you can get paid.

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Mar 26 at 2022 12:18 AM

2022-03-26T00:18:43-04:00

This controversy sorta blows my fuses; in the 'sixties it seemed like everyone was lying at AFEES (only thing we had then) to get OUT of serving -- 'Nam, and all. Have things changed that much? I probably lied to the Army as much as anyone, but not to dodge the draft (as some rich politicians have!!!) since they consistantly lied to me. just sayin'... 76 year old Army vet

Response by PO2 William Kennison made Mar 26 at 2022 8:04 PM

2022-03-26T20:04:31-04:00

If you honestly forgot about it because you lived a normal active life as a kid that's one thing. If you purposely left it out that's another thing. Lying by omission is just as bad as directly lying. This is a subject that could not only endanger you during training. But also hazard your brothers in time of war. Get it checked out and face the consequences of your actions with a straight face and your head eyes front. Either way you will learn to be a man.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2022 11:19 AM

2022-03-27T11:19:39-04:00

The people that say they don't lie are the biggest liers, and hypocrites. Read the article below. Is lying right? No. But when we don't admit it. We are in denial.

https://elemental.medium.com/liar-liar-we-all-lie-but-why-cd99e2d3e4ab

Liar, Liar: We All Lie, but Why?

Lying is in our nature, and it’s socially acceptable

Response by Sgt John Curtin made Mar 27 at 2022 4:40 PM

2022-03-27T16:40:14-04:00

Why ask this on a public social media page? You're just asking to get in a bunch of trouble

Response by SFC Antonio Baird made Mar 29 at 2022 9:30 AM

2022-03-29T09:30:49-04:00

Did someone in uniform tell you not to mention your heart murmur? Regardless of how much you may enjoy the service, to avoid legal issues 10 years from now, tell your Commander ASAP! Whatever happens, happens, but you won't be walking around with a potentially deadly condition and the weight of your lie at MEPS forever. Can you imagine doing 20 plus years, trying to retire and secure your pension and the service finds out. They may very well deny you getting a pension by saying it was fraudulently obtained. Getbit off your chest!

Response by SFC Antonio Baird made Mar 29 at 2022 9:35 AM

2022-03-29T09:35:11-04:00

I overlooked "potential recruit," when I posted my earlier comment. You need to tell the MEPS Chief Medical Officer (CMO) of your condition ASAP. Don't let ANYONE tell you to start a career built on a lie!

Response by SSgt James Mathews made Mar 29 at 2022 3:19 PM

2022-03-29T15:19:20-04:00

Do you mean someone had to tell you to "play dumb".

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Mar 29 at 2022 5:21 PM

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BS, I lied to the Doctors and on the Medical Forms in 1981 when I joined the Marine Corps and served 10ths. I lied again in 2007 to go active Duty in the Army and later retired in 2015 after Afghanistan for injuries in Combat. Young men have been lying to enter the Military Since 1775. After December 7th the lying was rampant to enter the military Even Audie Murphy. If the MEPS Doctors didn’t catch it your Condition never existed. And NO they never check MEPS unless there is a Death in Boot Camp or Basic Training.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2022 6:07 PM

2022-03-29T18:07:45-04:00

If you had a murmur as a child and had no problems but still have it its likely something that is reral and may require some attention (like antibiotics for some surgical or dental procedures) but if there is no major issue found on echocardiogram it would not likely be an excluding condition for initial acquisition. If there is a major issue found its best that its found now and dealt with. Its not uncommon for murmurs to be found in children that dont cause any problems and everyone just forgets about them until a more in depth evaluation is done. whether it requires a waiver or is an excluding condition is based on the regulations of your gaining service.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2022 12:25 AM

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So why is this post coming up now 3 years later.
I would at some point in time if I were you to somehow mention to your military doctor that you had a heart murmur at age 6 so it can get into your military records. Also now that Covid jab is mandated by the Sec of Def idiot and it causes myocarditis and pericarditis is another reason you want to get these things documented. Not that you will be able to sue because it was mandated and all three phara companies have immunity currently. Just my 2 thoughts as a retired 22 yrs Patient Admin Specialist.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 26 at 2022 10:10 AM

2022-04-26T10:10:06-04:00

Apparently you do not have to play dumb because you actually are dumb as sh…..t for admitting you lied on a public website.

Response by CPT Blake Harrah made Apr 26 at 2022 2:24 PM

2022-04-26T14:24:08-04:00

The internet is forever. Now if they don’t find out you’ve now taken the the risk of putting your Soldiers, peers, and leaders at risk. That was a very poor decision on your part. If you happen to make it past the cardiologist and you end up in the Army good for you. But since you have falsified your entry packet your integrity is at because you have posted on a public website. Army doctors can issue a profile for anything even if they lie on the profile (this particular situation happened to me.) If a doctor gets even the slightest hint of anything they can refer you to an MEB/PEB. Big Army medical is always going to take the side of the doctor and believe them over the Soldier and this applies to whether they are in training or not. You need to talk to your recruiter an inform them.

Response by SPC James Seigars made Apr 26 at 2022 8:55 PM

2022-04-26T20:55:28-04:00

Two things:

1. As LTC Jason Mackay stated this IS a public website composed of active & retired Military, as well as DA Civilians. So anyone from your Squad Leader to your Post/Base Commander & everyone in between can see this thread. So it can & will come out one way or another which makes it that much more important you tell someone about this before it blows up in your face.

2. As CSM Darieus ZaGara stated if you don’t let someone, be it a recruiter, Doctor & someone in your chain of command know about this then not only aren’t you living with Integrity, but you could also die just from exercising. I saw it with my own eyes at Fort Campbell. A SSG had a heart murmur he DIDN’T know about and went with us on a Battalion run. He made it to when everyone started quick time marching & had to sit down out of breath (we thought it was just from leading Cadence at the end of the run). We got everyone to the formation area & went back to check on him (maybe 5 minutes later) and found him unresponsive. When the Ambulance got there they said he had a heart attack brought on by his heart being weakened due to the murmur.

Do you want to be the guy who KNEW he had a heart problem & got seriously injured or passed away because he didn’t tell anyone and has all those people in his chain of command having to live with all the what if’s they could have done to save your life/career (most of them won’t admit to that or wouldn’t when I was in, but they do care. They just can’t show it because some people would try and take advantage if they did)? I know I wouldn’t.

Response by William Davis made Apr 27 at 2022 9:55 AM

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I think the "dumb" aspect has been conquered.....

Response by SSG Paul Bennis made Apr 27 at 2022 12:27 PM

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I am more concerned about your health and dying. I was in a combat unit and the training was very physically demanding. I am not sure that my heart would not have given out had I had a heart murmur.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2022 7:52 PM

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Simple answer... While at MEPS you "Self-Identified" as being Healthy! Hey... Seems to work for everything else.

Response by PO3 Paul Roth made Apr 27 at 2022 9:17 PM

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I have a heart murmur and was cleared. The only thing with me I was honest with my recruiter who was a FMF Corpsman he took me to MEPS and started the medical review process had to do some stress testing on my heart and I did 10 years

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2022 1:34 AM

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At the end of the day the doctor will make the decision whether you were joining or not

Response by SSG Merry Metzler made Apr 28 at 2022 9:57 AM

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To late to play dumb now. It's out there for the whole world to see

Response by SFC Shawn Sawyer made Apr 28 at 2022 4:34 PM

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I’m hoping that they do find out and kick your ass to the curb. You are obviously NOT someone we want in the military for a couple reasons. First you are a fecking liar, no one wants that in their unit. Secondly after you fecking lied you had the balls to come on a open forum and ask if lying was ok. That means your a bucking idiot, and yet again someone we don’t need in our military. Take you ass to Taco Bell or Wendy’s and work. I’ll take a number 3 with cheese no onions make it a large please!!!

Response by LCpl Jose Lugo made Apr 28 at 2022 4:45 PM

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What was it you choose not to inform the med ? I also believe in a clean conscious ? You feel guilty ? but at this stage if you come clean you will not be recruited/indoctrinated. Worser than being un-physically fit is a liar in the service where lives can depend one day on your credibility ! Learn what a lie can get you into . If you believe you can really meet the challenge of basic/boot camp go for it and keep your mouth close and pray and if you are not mentally or physically fit drop out !

Response by AN Anthony Marra made Apr 29 at 2022 6:53 AM

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Why are you said this on a public website.? Well my friend here's you're answer YES!!

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made Apr 29 at 2022 9:47 PM

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If you can lie on something like that what else will you lie about
The military is about honor and esprit de corps. Come clean now and let the chips fall where they may and accept the consequences like an adult

Response by SPC Geoffrey Jenkins made Apr 30 at 2022 8:47 AM

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you can't play dumb now because you put yourself out there!

Response by SSG James N. made Apr 30 at 2022 9:01 AM

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You just admitted you cannot serve due to a huge pre existing health issue. Please go buy Grunt Style Shirt, grab your Black Rifle Cofee on the way out, and be ready to say, I was gonna serve but my heart just wasn't in it for the rest of your life

Response by PO3 David Mabo made Apr 30 at 2022 11:55 PM

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The cardiologist will decide if you have a murmur and if you do you will be disqualified. They can but will not look back at 12 year old records. They will look at your current state. I would assume that they sent you to a cardiologist because the MEPS doctor heard a possible murmur. From time to time my doctor hears the same thing, but my echo cardiogram and EKG are fine. That will determine if you are qualified.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made May 1 at 2022 9:13 PM

2022-05-01T21:13:02-04:00

Wow! Really? Your post should’ve said, “Doc at MEPS found a murmur. I totally forget as a child I was told I had a murmur but would grow out of it. What do I do now?”
Better go to your recruiter & say you believed you doc.

Response by Sgt James Gross made May 1 at 2022 9:34 PM

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Lying is never a good option, you would be better off by telling the truth. And yes they can go back through your medical records to look for related medical conditions.

Response by SSG Timothy Lanham made May 1 at 2022 11:01 PM

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About 1/2 way through AIT, it was discovered that one of the soldiers was found to have had a fraudulent enlistment. Another listed his name as Jimmy when in fact it was James. Both were kicked out of the Army and gone the next day.

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made May 2 at 2022 5:05 AM

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This was posted 3 years ago, right? What happened to him and his heart murmur, I wonder...

Response by SPC Judy Glore-Calloway made May 5 at 2022 9:57 AM

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His heading under his name states that he is a Civilian and Possible Recruit. He needs to remain a Civilian and raise his hand to Serve and Protect the United States of America. I wonder

Response by PO3 James Heine made May 12 at 2022 3:06 PM

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Who told you you had a heart murmur at age 6? How many people remember everything at age 6, let alone understand, do you? Don't play dumb. If the meps doctors find something wrong, they'll tell you. But DON'T try to BS around it. I knew somebody who wanted to get out of the Navy so bad (he was a problem child) and he went to a psychiatrist in his hometown to create a phony psychiatric disability (pre-existing condition) so he'd get discharged on that. That's fraudulent enlistment. Don't pull that stunt. Just let cardiologists do their tests and take it from there.

Response by MSG Michael Gay made May 15 at 2022 8:07 PM

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The Doctor at my initial physical told me that I had a heart murmur but that it went away when I took a deep breath. So I passed and spent 4 years active and 22 1/2 Reserve Duty always in Infantry assignments. So do not worry about this.

Response by MSG Michael Gay made May 15 at 2022 8:28 PM

2022-05-15T20:28:25-04:00

I had several times that I minimized the conditions and effects of being wounded in Vietnam. I did very well in Drill Sergeant’s School but during the last week one of the Instructors told me that I never stood at attention with my hips level. I told him that I was as straight as could. He looked at the scar when I was changing uniforms. He saw a 4” wide 7” across scar, shook his head and asked about passing a doctors exam before returning to duty. What did the Dr. Say? I told him that I wanted to stay in the Infantry. He wrote return to full duty and shook his head. I kept the same attitude until I could no longer perform at that level. It affected my back, neck and legs. The duty helped me to stay in better condition and stretched muscles well. The heart murmur was never a problem until I needed a heart valve replacement at age 71.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Jun 3 at 2022 7:49 AM

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My son was born with a congenital heart murmur that wasn't discovered until he was 3 years old. We were told by the pediatric cardiologist NOT to make an issue of it as 90% of infants are born with one most of whom 'outgrow' them as they 'self heal.'
The heart murmur never interfered with his activities as it was not the result of illness and he went on to engage in the adventures as his peers.
Sounds like your situation is very like my son's. Be straight with the cardiologist, tell him what you were told and I'm sure things will be just fine.

BTW, the doctors didn't tell YOU at the age of 6, they told your parents. How your parents handled the information is what's important here. I say you have nothing to be concerned with - an astute cardiologist will be able to tell the difference between damaged scar tissue and a healthy heart.

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Jun 18 at 2022 2:21 AM

2022-06-18T02:21:14-04:00

Now that you ADMITTED IT on a public website, they just may look

Response by MAJ Allan Harrelson made Jul 10 at 2022 6:50 PM

2022-07-10T18:50:12-04:00

Were you drunk when you lied at the MEPS center? Were you drunk when you posted here?

Response by SSG Rick Reeder made Aug 2 at 2022 12:18 PM

2022-08-02T12:18:22-04:00

I would just keep your mouth shut. I am not big on lying but in a case like that, silence is the best.

Response by Sgt Neil Foster made Aug 10 at 2022 12:25 AM

2022-08-10T00:25:59-04:00

It takes a special kind of stupid to admit that you LIED ON A GOVERNMENT FORM.