SGT Private RallyPoint Member 6568647 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> 2020-12-10T12:43:03-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 6568647

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2020-12-10T12:43:03-05:00 2020-12-10T12:43:03-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 6568674

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What&#39;s the problem?

2020-12-10T12:51:32-05:00 2020-12-10T12:51:32-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 6568760

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is a great example of what the Army is trying to move towards. The Army is trying to identify those that have the potential to lead and the capacity to manage. The first thing you should do is counsel all of your new subordinates, even the SGT. You should let them know that you were placed in this position and you are going to ensure that you will take this responsibility seriously. When you speak to the SGT I would ensure you leverage his experience and let him know that you will work with him for the success of the team. You want to avoid having a disgruntled SGT. That can turn toxic quickly.

2020-12-10T13:20:23-05:00 2020-12-10T13:20:23-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 6568814

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SPCs Lead the way hooooo ABN

2020-12-10T13:40:15-05:00 2020-12-10T13:40:15-05:00 CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member 6568828

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don&#39;t manage, lead. Professionalism dictates he respect your billet if not your rank, and you should respect their rank to a certain point. It&#39;s up to you to change that, by promotion or by your actions. Anything else should be addressed privately and tactfully between you two. Only one alpha per pack.

2020-12-10T13:45:57-05:00 2020-12-10T13:45:57-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 6568881

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I probably would have moved the non squad leader SGT under a SSG, or elsewhere. No one is doing you any favors by setting up this situation. I&#39;d be furious as a SGT sitting across from a SPC getting counseled. Why has that even happened? How is this SGT looked upon by the rest of the unit? He must be pretty low drag to not have been given the courtesy of being placed in another squad with an NCO running it. <br /><br />Not knowing the dynamics of your working environment I don&#39;t have much to offer. Manage by counselings. That&#39;s how army does it. <br /><br />I could see a SGT be someone who&#39;s just happy to have a job, and just riding the wave where it takes him. So it might be a non issue. <br /><br />I could see the SGT also force you to address him from the At Ease position if he&#39;s not happy about the situation, and do so in a public way to degrade your leadership position. <br /><br />Who put you in your squad leader position? Your Platoon SGT? Your Platoon Leader? Does the 1SG know? Who has your back?

2020-12-10T14:09:27-05:00 2020-12-10T14:09:27-05:00 SFC Kenneth Hunnell 6568917

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Does the Sgt in question know you posted this on this site. If not he or she will soon know. In my opinion you should have kept this between you and the NCO. IN my book you just outed an NCO before they could prove one way or another

2020-12-10T14:19:51-05:00 2020-12-10T14:19:51-05:00 SGT Robert Wager 6568950

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You don’t manage it. He is a noncommissioned officer and you are not. I would not worry about this for too long. Your 1SG and CSM will solve this problem for you and address the problem where it belongs, whoever the jack wagon that thought this was a GFI.

2020-12-10T14:36:05-05:00 2020-12-10T14:36:05-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 6569002

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When in charge be in charge. Make sure you both understand the difference between authority by rank and by duty position. They may not be in leadership but continue to treat them with respect an NCO is due. They should execute tasks as if given by a gigher authority.<br />My concern with this set up is if the NCO isnt worth being in position I hope hes barred and what the rating scheme is.

2020-12-10T15:10:31-05:00 2020-12-10T15:10:31-05:00 SGT Dave Tracy 6569103

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I feel for ya. I&#39;ve seen your situation play out before. It&#39;s not normal, but it does happen. It&#39;s one thing to be in charge of people who are the same rank as you or you may have been buddies with--been there, done all that--but I don&#39;t envy you the situation you are in. You&#39;ve proven that there can be differences between rank and responsibilities; just treat the SGT as an NCO, being in charge of him doesn&#39;t negate the fact he is one, work with this person to get &quot;buy-in&quot; for the situation you find yourselves in. Make sure the rest of the squad understands the situation, but shows correct respect for this person&#39;s rank too, and carry on. Hopefully, your chain-of-command will make adjustments in the near future.

2020-12-10T16:08:03-05:00 2020-12-10T16:08:03-05:00 SGT Jim Ramge, MBA 6569203

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sorry - NCO business here! I would have tore up that one... For some of you young Officers, do you write your Battalion Commander’s or XO’s? Think about that one for a minute... Done thinking - Where is his authority for UCMJ? I would let s/he open with what they would like to do, upon hearing them out, would offer some mentorship and nothing more! Sorry Gents - some poor guidance, guidance with no understanding, no real experience with the matter!<br />This is not anything more than the common practices of accountability purposes. <br />Or, you simply have a fast burner and a 1SG does not have the faith of his current NCOs, or, quite possibly has underlying circumstances that the young SPC is not yet privy!<br />All said and done, a subordinate with no UCMJ jurisdiction or authority isn’t writing-up anyone...

2020-12-10T17:11:22-05:00 2020-12-10T17:11:22-05:00 SFC Dan Jarvis 6569204

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Like an NCO in an E6 slot you hold.

2020-12-10T17:13:36-05:00 2020-12-10T17:13:36-05:00 A1C Tim Rohrer 6569262

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don&#39;t give him ammo if u guys go to war

2020-12-10T17:50:23-05:00 2020-12-10T17:50:23-05:00 MAJ Javier Rivera 6569278

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just be tactful with the situation, sooner than later it will get sorted out. In the meantime take charge, be respectful (he still outrank you), and set a good example for other to follow.

2020-12-10T17:57:53-05:00 2020-12-10T17:57:53-05:00 A1C Tim Rohrer 6569301

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Jesus I was just messen with u if I knew u r a ranger I would of been more careful what to say god bless you

2020-12-10T18:07:37-05:00 2020-12-10T18:07:37-05:00 1SG Joseph Dartey 6569425

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In this situation there are many things that need to be expanded on.<br />1) Why were you put in a SQD LRD&#39;s position when there was a SGT already there.<br />2) Does anyone within the PLT have a beef with this particular SGT?<br />3) Is this SGT a Team Ldr? (As a PLT SGT and 1SG, I&#39;ve had situations where a SGT was a Team Leader and a SPC as a SQD LDR, but I talked to both of them and the PLT SGT counseled the SGT not the SQD LDR).<br />4) Was the SGT given the option of being transfered to another PLT or Co.<br /><br />If not any of the above situations, the the SGT should with respect and tact:<br />1) Talk to the PLT SGT to get clarification as why he didn&#39;t get appointed as SQD LDR and about being counseled and if the answer is not satisfactory, take it up the Chain of Command. 9 times out of 10, the 1SG will get to the bottom of the situation and get a resolution.<br />2) Request a transfer out of the Company.<br /><br />Even if the SGT is a dirt bag, he still obtained the rank of SGT (or the Commander should have demoted him/her) and should be treated with respect, dignity and courtesy.

2020-12-10T19:00:54-05:00 2020-12-10T19:00:54-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 6569878

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Be the pace-setter. Make him keep up. There will be friction.

2020-12-10T22:20:53-05:00 2020-12-10T22:20:53-05:00 SGT Patrick Trowbridge 6570182

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First off, congrats on the promotion. In my experience it is best to involve the nco into what you are doing to a point but you also need them to understand that you are the final word on the issue...side note, don&#39;t get cocky because you finally outrank some people. Being in a leadership position is a great responsibility and you&#39;re going to want and need that nco&#39;s input

2020-12-11T03:47:30-05:00 2020-12-11T03:47:30-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 6571379

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I did this a few times, put one of my promotable spcs into a leadership role in the squad or plt. I always pulled my ncos aside and made the rules clear to them. This person is in charge to help them gain experience, the ncos are here to help mentor them. It was never an issues with the ncos, its a training tool. You treat them with the respect of their rank, and if they&#39;re good ncos, they should treat you with the respect of your appointed position. If they have an issue with that, then it goes up the chain to the person who put you in that role

2020-12-11T13:11:04-05:00 2020-12-11T13:11:04-05:00 SFC Gary Fox 6571407

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Squad leader is normally an E-6 position and I have to question why an E-4 was put into it and not an E-6 or the very least an E-5.

2020-12-11T13:27:50-05:00 2020-12-11T13:27:50-05:00 SSG Jason Penn 6572329

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First you must recognize that there is a difference in authority by rank and authority by position. Authority by position always trumps rank, that is why a SPC/E4 MP can dictate orders for the purpose of law enforcement to a COL. Don&#39;t confuse the two, though. When dealing with operations of the unit, you have control over the E5, but in matters of general military authority, the E5 has power over you. In other words look at the dynamic of a 1SG/E7, who has operational authority over MSGs/E8 and SGMs/E9 in his/her Company. When it comes to running the Company, the 1SG has the authority over those who outrank him/her; likewise when in regards to running the squad, you have the authority over any &quot;subordinate&quot; who outranks you as well.

2020-12-11T18:03:52-05:00 2020-12-11T18:03:52-05:00 PO3 Adam Stoflet 6572400

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Having been a team leader and a On Scene Leader I have had few opportunities to be in a similar situation. Be mindful of how you put things, also don’t be afraid to lean on them some of them for some support for their experience but you still have to be the one that leads. A good leader understands the strengths and weaknesses of his team and knows how to use those to the team’s benefit. <br /><br />Best words of advice I got after I messed up during a drill “you gotta remember your still learning too”.<br /><br /> You gonna mess up and make mistakes own then, learn from them.

2020-12-11T18:35:10-05:00 2020-12-11T18:35:10-05:00 SGT Robert Payne 6572815

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>IN 1978 I was a SPC4 in country. Upon assignment I was made a Corporal. In my Fireteam I had veterans from Vietnam, busted down E-6/E-5s who had drug/alcohol issues. They were priceless in combat, not so much in barracks. Treat each other with respect and understand that there will be issues. If possible talk privately and keep your temper. Remember you need to work as a team

2020-12-11T20:32:41-05:00 2020-12-11T20:32:41-05:00 CPL Earl Kochis 6574553

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My advice you need to request a meeting with your first libe supervisor and your 1SG to find out the dynamics. If you are not the ranking “ Do Not Try To Council A Superior Tanking Soldier” thats asking for trouble. Talk to your Chain of Commamd for instructions and clarity on why, how , and instruction on how to proceed. Remember you have to learn to follow before you can lead.

2020-12-12T13:15:36-05:00 2020-12-12T13:15:36-05:00 WO1 Private RallyPoint Member 6575865

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When in charge, be in charge.

2020-12-13T02:12:02-05:00 2020-12-13T02:12:02-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 6576309

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>peer to peer leadership, few situations are more challenging in the Army...<br />being a leader is helping those around to be successful. being a good follower is learning from your leader, influencing the pack to help the leader be successful. you can only control yourself, so focus on assisting their success while meeting the mission.

2020-12-13T08:31:13-05:00 2020-12-13T08:31:13-05:00 MAJ Matthew Arnold 6577383

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ask the first sergeant to have him moved to another platoon.

2020-12-13T17:14:47-05:00 2020-12-13T17:14:47-05:00 SGT Dorothy Williams-Jeffries 6635632

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was in a similar situation when I became the XVIII Abn Corps G3 NCOIC. I was E5 promotable and he was E5 also and had been there a year before me. I delegated things to him whenever possible and left him in charge in my absence and we never had a problem.

2021-01-06T07:13:37-05:00 2021-01-06T07:13:37-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 6645867

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You received your P status, so I take it you know a thing or two about leadership. Lead from the position you&#39;ve been set to. Whether you have an E-1 or E-5, your position as their squad leader is the same. That being said understand that the E-5 has earned their stripes, and can perhaps be very beneficial to the squad, but not as the squad leader...because that&#39;s you. Leadership isn&#39;t about rank. Just remember that. I&#39;ve seen PVTs with better leadership skills than some 1SGs..<br />This is a great opportunity for you.

2021-01-09T16:48:18-05:00 2021-01-09T16:48:18-05:00 SGT Luther Switzer 6743026

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was in this situation once but only because the job made it that way. I had no problem as it was a good working relationship. I was an x-ray tech in a field hospital and they put a field medic over me. We had same rank but I had more time in. Really wasn&#39;t a problem as I was a specialized skill person.

2021-02-13T10:10:17-05:00 2021-02-13T10:10:17-05:00 SFC Ken Heise 6785025

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First off congratulations on becoming eligible for promotion to Sergeant. Second “P” is NOT a rank. You are still a Specialist until you pin on your stripes. Now allow me to pass on some experience to you. I am a Detachment NCOIC, and in my DET I have three MSGs that fall under me. This is how I handle the situation. When it comes to DET businesses and needing tasks to get done I task them out just like anyone else in my DET. Now, when it comes to needing advice and guidance I seek them out for there experience. I allow them to run their teams as they see fit and only stepping in to make corrections as necessary. When it comes to rating them I allow my DET Commander to do it as I can’t by regulation.<br /><br />Now, you can seek out your Platoon Sergeant and ask to see if he/ she can be moved to a different section. And until the SGT is moved he / she is going to have to learn to respect the position you hold. And one thing you can do is find out what the SGT is good at and put them in charge. That way it gives them something to run and shows you value their experience.

2021-02-28T22:32:23-05:00 2021-02-28T22:32:23-05:00 SGT Gary Stemen 6785265

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Converse with him directly to understand the circumstance. He is that rank for reasons which may not be obvious.....

2021-03-01T00:52:58-05:00 2021-03-01T00:52:58-05:00 SGT Charles Whited 7361407

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Be the squad leader. When in charge take charge. You wanted it so own it.<br /> &quot;Would you, could you and &quot;Hey need you to do this&quot; goes a long way. When soldiers value your leadership it signals trust.<br /> Take care brother!!

2021-11-09T22:14:22-05:00 2021-11-09T22:14:22-05:00 SFC Dennis Rodriguez 7415317

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It&#39;s a difficult situation they put you in. Best of luck. Sorry that I am not able to offer any advice.

2021-12-11T01:19:58-05:00 2021-12-11T01:19:58-05:00 SMSgt Lawrence McCarter 7415365

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I see You are also a Sergeant E5, and actually at one point as a TSgt had another TSgt had with more time in grade working under My supervision. That was however at Flight level or what You in the Army would call a platoon. I had other qualifications He didn&#39;t both in training, experience and had the full confidence from My own seniors which He didn&#39;t have to the same full extent anyway. I never had a problem with Him however but if He had followed up on some of the training I did that may not have happened. I&#39;m sure He wasn&#39;t happy about it but then did do His job and there wasn&#39;t any question about Who was in Charge. I also advanced in rank beyond that level to Senior NCO ranks , He didn&#39;t. I already had enough Leadership experience and confidence I wasn&#39;t worried at all. In earlier years I also had made SSgt in 4 years which was unheard of in our career field and had Sergeant&#39;s with 12 to 14 years service under my supervision but in that case I did outrank them. I did have only one SSgt working for Me that had His own way of doing things and at the end of a shift had Him correct the things He kept doing His way and not what was required. (He wasn&#39;t a bad worker but this wasn&#39;t a place You made Your own rules and i made that very clear) He didn&#39;t give Me any back talk however. I did manage to get Him reassigned elsewhere and My, NCOIC, OIC and Commander supported Me. Also the fact that ALL My other troops at that time did do exactly what the were required to do and even more because they wanted to and none of them were a problem ever and could always be counted on it was clear where the problem was.

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