I've always known to salute Warrant Officers. Now I hear that we don't need to. Am I missing something?

2016-06-21T22:11:24-04:00

Fellow Service Members. This question was posted in a sarcastic way. I know what the regulation says. My brother in Law is a Warrant Officer in the Marines and was at an Army post. Lower enlisted were not saluting, and when he asked them why, they told him that they did not salute Warrants in the Army. He then asked me, hence the posting of the question. I was floored, and quite upset that happened.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 10:17 PM

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Whaaaaaat? What happened to customs? I think just on Tuesdays. Wait Not on Tuesdays. Wait only Tuesday through Monday. Got it! Who told you that?

Response by SGM Billy Herrington made Jun 21 at 2016 10:22 PM

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Never heard we weren't supposed to.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 10:30 PM

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I haven't heard of this. What regulation are you referencing?

Response by MAJ Rene De La Rosa made Jun 21 at 2016 10:40 PM

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Not sure where this information came from, but I would not want to run into the old warhorse warrant officer and not salute him (when I was enlisted).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 10:46 PM

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Not saluting a Warrant Officer would be like walking on the CSM's grass and think it's ok......

Response by TSgt Joe C. made Jun 21 at 2016 11:21 PM

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Haven't heard this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 11:22 PM

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The wording on Warrant Officers is what confuses people I think. A WO1 is not a Commissioned Officer, but CW2s and above are. Still, you are required to salute them as enlisted. For officers, courtesies are the same as a 2LT being respectful to a CSM. Not required by regulations, but highly encouraged.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 11:23 PM

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Where in the heck did you hear that nonsense? I didn't become a Warrant Officer to be saluted, but I damn sure have earned my rank and I would expect all NCO's and Junior enlisted to follow all customs and regulations the same way every CW4, CW5, Lieutenant and above should expect me to do the same.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2016 11:30 PM

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MSG Lorenzo,
You have heard incorrectly. W01's are appointed as officers. CW2's are commissioned officers. CW3's and CW4's are designated as Field Grade Officers. CW5's are designated a senior Field Grade Officer. Warrant Officers are afforded all customs and courtesies of an officer.

Response by Amn Allen Burks made Jun 22 at 2016 12:44 AM

2016-06-22T00:44:03-04:00

It's courtesy!!! You don't have to but you
Should!!! I would want to more than actual officers!!!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 12:59 AM

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You definitely DO NOT have to ... when you're retired.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 22 at 2016 1:22 AM

2016-06-22T01:22:12-04:00

I think we're going to have to bump CPT Private RallyPoint Member's "Should 2LT's Salute 1LT's" thread. I have a feeling this thread is going to be Part II of that one! :)

Response by SGM Joel Cook made Jun 22 at 2016 4:43 AM

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I guess this is one of those joke or hoax posts. But correct me if I am wrong AR 600-25, Par 1-5 says all officers (commissioned and Warrant) will be saluted! Maybe that reg just changed last week but I doubt it.

Response by MSgt Bruce Hutchinson made Jun 22 at 2016 4:52 AM

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Mm mm old retired Air Force guy here, as you know we don't have Warrant Officers. BUT by the customs and courtesies that I was taught and lived by for 26 years tell me that you are required to salute Warrant Officers

Response by Sgt Donald Taylor made Jun 22 at 2016 7:17 AM

2016-06-22T07:17:58-04:00

Well that is bullshit everyone i have ever knew there knowledge and job and put the lives of there troops above there own life ii would salute them any way and bust those boots fucking ass if they disrespected them or at least give them EMI

Response by COL John Hudson made Jun 22 at 2016 8:23 AM

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From the IG desk: Proper military protocol requires recognition of any individual holding officer rank...and that begins at the rank of Warrant Officer 1 right on up to General Officer of the Army. Having said that, circumstances can dictate the custom of saluting. One does not salute on an active aviation field for example...it's a dangerous place and participants must, as a matter of work safety, be alert to such dangers at all times when in and around operating aircraft. In like manner, no-salute zones may be instituted by the Commander in combat or similar environments. Case in point; saluting requirements were relaxed in and around the Presidential Palace, Green Zone, Baghdad, Iraq (during my two tours there). Given these examples, I find it highly implausible that common military courtesies would be relaxed during standard work environments anywhere in our military structure.

Response by Capt James Emmitt made Jun 22 at 2016 9:21 AM

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I haven't. Must be part of the continuing degradation program instituted by the current administration. Probably didn't want anyone's feelings hurt by having to seem "subordinate".

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 9:50 AM

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If anything we should not salute lieutenants until they actually do something to earn it.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 10:16 AM

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I'd be willing to bet this was misinterpreted. This happens a lot with WOCS, OCS, and cadets a lot.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 11:03 AM

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SGM Private RallyPoint Member , where was this heard? Last I read in the regulations, WOs are to be saluted. Me thinks someone is spewing the brown sludge through oscillating blades.

Response by SP5 Joel O'Brien made Jun 22 at 2016 1:29 PM

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What part of the rank that includes "Officer" might one not understand?! When I attended AIT back in the dark ages at Ft. Benjamin Harrison in Indiana, one thing that was made CLEAR during the "Welcome To..." speech was you'll find officers of all sorts and all services at the post. American, Viet Nam, Canadian, German, etc. When in doubt, you will --->'Salute'<--- !!! Enjoy your stay here.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 22 at 2016 1:39 PM

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Next thing we know we don't have to salute Officers who have been in less time than we have...

Response by COL R. Bruce Chisholm made Jun 22 at 2016 1:48 PM

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This is just a continuation of the Army going to hell that started when males were authorized to carry umbrellas.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 2:09 PM

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Maybe if we wore non-subdued rank on our hats again....but in reality, TRADOC posts are going to have people that are not exposed to warrant officers. Here on Gordon I usually get 1 out of every 5 AIT troops that look at me and don't know what to do.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Jun 22 at 2016 4:34 PM

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Says who? CW2 and above are commissioned officers. In addition AR 600-25 para 1-5 specifies warrant officers.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 7:26 PM

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Negative. I always have and always will. :)

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jun 22 at 2016 10:23 PM

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I ALWAYS SHOW RESPECT TO ANY OFFICER WARRART OR CPT OR ANY OFFICER.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Jun 22 at 2016 10:56 PM

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MSG, last I knew a Warrant officer was commissioned. I believe the Warrant Officer 1 is under the Sec of Defense and after that, they are commissioned by the president. Unless there is a different regulation out there in Army land, I believe you need to salute.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jun 23 at 2016 12:52 AM

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No you're not missing a thing. Don't salute. You'll be just fine

Response by SFC John Hill made Jun 23 at 2016 2:18 PM

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Yes, one salutes, see AR 600-25 Salutes, Honors, and Visits of Courtesy para 1–5. Hand salutes and salutes with arms
b. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service entitled to the salute.

There are exceptions to this i.e., designated “no-salute" zones, certain field environments, etc.

Response by CW2 Carl Swanson made Jun 24 at 2016 10:37 AM

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If you aren't sure about which Warrants want to be saluted, you damn sure better salute 'em all!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2016 11:43 AM

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AR 600-25 disagrees with whoever told you that.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Sep 6 at 2016 2:49 PM

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BS, you always salute a Warrant Officer, he/she is the one that pilots the helo that comes in hot to pick your ass up in bad fire fights, he/she is the one Officer that earns the salute as compare to other officers.

Response by 2LT Will Lockhart made Jan 12 at 2017 1:18 PM

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I was thinking you were joking, but I see you are a senior Enlisted. Warrant Officers are commissioned officers. So they will always be rendered the salute from subordinates.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Mar 23 at 2017 12:32 AM

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The requirement is to salute all commissioned and Warrant officers of the United States Armed Forces and also Commissioned and Warrant Officers of countries, allied with or friendly to the United States. We don't get to decide not to render proper military customs and courtesies and anyone that tells You anything to the contrary it badly mistaken. This show of respect of the exchange of salutes has nothing to do with ones experience or lack of same but to acknowledge the respect to each other as fellow members of the Military services. The junior ranking person renders the salute and the senior in rank returns the salute. There is no exception to that practice ! This is not ever just optional, the regulations or Instructions of all branches of the Armed Forces require this practice be followed.

Response by COL John Hudson made Mar 23 at 2017 4:01 PM

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From the IG Desk: Let me be crystal clear about this. YES - an enlisted service member WILL salute a Warrant Office. It is an OFFICER rank and must be respected as such. A WO1 initially receives a "Warrant" or "Appointment" approved by the Secretary of their respective service. Upon promotion to CW2, that is changed to a "Commission" granted by the President of the U.S.. Semantics and a second piece of paper aside, I'm not certain if some answers to the original question seen here are given 'Tongue in cheek.' If so...that should NOT be done. Why? There are members of all services, enlisted and officer alike, who read here, and not knowing better may take such answers as gospel; suddenly finding themselves chastised when their heels are locked for improper military courtesy. The following may explain further: "For appointment to warrant officer one (W‑1), a warrant is approved by the secretary of the respective service. For chief warrant officer ranks (W‑2 to W‑5), warrant officers are commissioned by the President of the United States and take the same oath as regular commissioned officers (O‑1 to O‑10). Warrant officers can and do command detachments, units, activities, vessels, aircraft, and armored vehicles, as well as lead, coach, train, and counsel subordinates. However, the warrant officer's primary task as a leader is to serve as a technical expert, providing valuable skills, guidance, and expertise to commanders and organizations in their particular field." I trust this clears up the matter. JCH, Colonel, USA (Ret) Inspector General

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2017 4:06 PM

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Obvious troll is obvious.

Response by PO1 Don Roberts made Mar 25 at 2017 4:24 PM

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Keep thinking that.
BTW - have you found that left-handed monkee wrench? or that fallopian tube you were asked about?

Response by CW4 Anthony Carbo made Mar 25 at 2017 4:54 PM

2017-03-25T16:54:05-04:00

Someone got it wrong

Response by SFC Garry Kolberg made Mar 25 at 2017 6:04 PM

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I've never heard of any rule that says you don't have to salute Warrant officers. There are always exceptions but it would be a post rule in regards to that I imagine.

Response by SP5 Robert Ruck made Mar 25 at 2017 6:10 PM

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I don't get it. If you don't want to follow the rules or dress codes why join in the first place?

Response by SPC Roger Giffen made Mar 25 at 2017 9:16 PM

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When i doubt...salute it.

Response by SGT Audie Blackwell made Mar 25 at 2017 9:52 PM

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When I was in you saluted Warrant Officers. The word Officer in their title is self explanatory. HOWEVER, I DID have a CWO3 in one of my units that would get angry if you called him Sir. He didn't particularly care for be saluted unless their were other Officers around.

Response by SFC Don Ward made Mar 25 at 2017 10:01 PM

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Did make a WO mad at me for addressing him "improperly" one time. In the line at Mess hall, he was behind me. saw his name tape and addressed him as "Mr. Smith". He informed me that proper address was "Sir", I informed him AR 600-20 stated "Mr. " or "Sir>" He got surly, cut in the line ahead and never said another word to m.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Mar 25 at 2017 10:04 PM

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What the Hell has happened to my military to ask such a question?

Response by SFC George Smith made Mar 26 at 2017 12:36 AM

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Never Heard That One ... Or never Gave a Rats Butt...
They had the Rank and were in positions of responsibility and Respect and they were Officers...
.. Thanks for the Share

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Mar 26 at 2017 3:57 AM

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In a war zone saluting is tantamount to painting a bullseye on the officer. We did not always salute in Vietnam.

Response by 1SG Ed Pablo made Mar 26 at 2017 4:22 AM

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I sure do hope that these questions here are people joking about it he subject and not because they don't know. I refuse to believe that they are that many clueless soldiers. 1SG Retired

Response by CPL Paul Beebe made Mar 26 at 2017 2:17 PM

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An Officer is an OFFICER, no matter what they're called... Salute

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2017 2:28 PM

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The only warrant officer who is NOT entitled to a salute is a Warrant Officer 1. They're not Commissioned Officers hence why they cannot perform reenlistments, therefore they are not entitled to a salute. That being said, they are experts in their field, they have been NCOs with the exception of some flight warrants, but they've paid their dues, they've gone through the rigorous WOCC, and I show respect by saluting a WO1.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2017 3:57 PM

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Only if you see one, I hear they're rare to see. Like some wonderful mythical creatures. If I saw a unicorn I'd probably stare in awe and forget to salute.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2017 9:30 PM

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Warrant officers (except W1 in the Army) are now commissioned officers. I was taught to salute all Warrant and Commissioned officers.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 27 at 2017 12:31 AM

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SGM Private RallyPoint Member Not sure who told you that?

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Mar 27 at 2017 7:00 AM

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Someone is giving you bad advice.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Mar 27 at 2017 10:24 AM

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Not sure about this. However I do believe a WO1 isn't commissioned but the rest are.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2017 3:37 PM

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I've always saluted warrants, because despite what anyone thinks. There still officer, there just technical experts at there skill. For me, I deal with them on a regular and some don't like to be saluted. They've let me know. So I guess until they say other wise always salute.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2017 6:13 PM

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When did this change I wasn't aware of are change that's state that CW don't need to be saluted news to me unless it's duffel blog then that makes sense LOL

Response by A1C Shawn Gertzen made Feb 3 at 2018 1:06 PM

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It's confusing when your an Airman fresh out of basic and your tech school is on an army base warrant officer yelled across street to us Airmen asking why we didn't salute him all the way across the street my air force Sgt said for us to keep walking.....for 1 we don't know what your rank is across street unless it's shiny...2 we aren't taught other branch insignia

Response by SSG Dale London made May 4 at 2018 4:51 PM

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Whoever told you that is plain wrong. While W01s are not commissioned, they DO hold a warrant from the President (and thus wield his authority like any other officer) - so they rate the salute. W02s and above are commissioned. Since when do you not salute a commissioned officer?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made May 4 at 2018 10:20 PM

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WHAT, MSg are you losing it, there buddy? Doesn't the reg say you salute all warrant and commissioned officers who out rank you? Think you have been had, or someone wants your stripes.

Response by CPL Robert Ray made May 6 at 2018 6:11 AM

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I think I know where some confusion on this subject may be leaking in... and I am not saying I know for certain here, but this is my “been out a long time” understanding... while it is clear in the US military regulations, there are some of our allies who, iirc, do not salute Warrant Officers, treating them as an extension of the senior enlisted ranks. It would be easy for someone like myself who has been out for a time to hear (or read) a discussion between a couple of foreign enlisted members and make this mistake. Just my two cents worth.

Response by SPC Don Nix made May 30 at 2018 6:08 PM

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i Thought warrant officers only rated one salute a day. To save wear and tear on enlisted folks arms.

Response by Sgt Danny Eytcheson Sr. made May 30 at 2018 10:11 PM

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ALL officers, WO’s/CWO’s included, rate a salute, PERIOD.
Semper Fi DD’s

Response by SPC Willie Green made May 31 at 2018 8:37 AM

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An officer is a officer!A salute is required!

Response by SPC Juanita Anderson made May 31 at 2018 8:58 AM

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Everyday ends with “y”

Response by Maj John Bell made May 31 at 2018 9:10 AM

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Am I missing Something...? Why is a hand salute such a big damn deal? So big that people spend time on the matter. When my life gets so good that I have nothing better to ponder, I'll be so bored that I won't be able to stand it.

Response by SFC Tom Michael made May 31 at 2018 9:30 AM

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I’ve never heard anything like this nonsense.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made May 31 at 2018 9:56 AM

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Ahh...

So I know this is an old topic, but I'll jump in.

I was a fairly new (and sexy) E4, and one sunny morning, while walking along a dirt path leading from a temporary shoppette at Fort Bliss, I glanced up at the approaching soldier making his way to the little store. Seeing he was not an Officer, I went back to gazing at the dirt as I walked passed the man. A good three beat later...

"TROOP!"

His tone caught my attention, and I stopped in my tracks. Turning, I saw the man standing--red faced--try to stab me through the heart with the power of his intense glaze.

"'M'ere!", he shouted. And I stepped up towards him. That's when I saw my mistake; before he said another word.

This man wasn't Enlisted.

This WO proceeded to verbally put a boot up my 4th point of contact for failing to salute. And he was right, I didn't salute. What the real sin was, was that I fail to pay attention to detail. When I glanced at him a moment earlier, I mistook his rank. Had I bothered to take so much as an extra half second to really look the man over, I would have seen he was a Warrant Officer. All of which I explained to him, all while holding up a rock-solid, full on knife-hand style, textbook salute.

I held that salute for quite a long while as the WO enthusiastically reminded about customs & courtesies, paying closer attention...you know, the basics. After about 4 or 5 minutes, he return the salute and we went our separate ways. So you had better believed that from that point on, not only did I make sure to salute any and all WOs (which I would have done anyway), but more importantly, I made damn sure about the rank of anyone approaching within 6 paces!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 10:09 AM

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I've heard nothing about not saluting Warrant Officers. Continue to render proper courtesy.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 10:12 AM

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We learned why in Boot Camp. 11 General Orders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Orders_for_Sentries

General Orders for Sentries - Wikipedia

Orders to Sentry is the official title of a set of rules governing sentry (guard or watch) duty in the United States Armed Forces. While any guard posting has rules that may go without saying ("Stay awake," for instance), these orders are carefully detailed and particularly stressed in the U.S. Navy, U.S. Marine Corps, and U.S. Coast Guard. Also known as the 11 General Orders, the list is meant to cover any possible scenario a sentry might...

Response by SGT Doug Turner made May 31 at 2018 10:12 AM

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It's a bold strategy Cotton..... let's see if it works out for him.

Response by SPC Phillip Vossler made May 31 at 2018 10:26 AM

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As a lower enlisted, i always tried damn hard to pay attention to the rank of the passersby, so as to not screw up in giving the greeting of the day, didnt want to accidentally "demote" someone and get chewed out because of it. So that being said, if it looked like a bar, etc i saluted and gave the greeting of the day. I was an 88H on Ft Eustis, i didnt run into many warrants throughout my day, but if i did, i saluted. 98-05

Response by CWO2 Duane Austin made May 31 at 2018 10:44 AM

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This is what's wrong with the military,They cannot remember basic boot camp items that are taught

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 10:53 AM

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I started this thread thought on a sarcastic note knowing that we salute Warrant Officers. That includes the Warrants from other branches. My brother in law is a Marine CW3, and there were Army Privates telling him they didn't salute Warrants in the Army... Blows my mind away!

Response by TSgt Gary McPherson made May 31 at 2018 11:27 AM

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As a former Marine in the 1950s I knew to salute WOs/My boss was one.

Response by SP5 Paul Jones made May 31 at 2018 11:58 AM

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We didn’t salute any officers in Vitmen we wanted to keep them alive. State side they wereconcidered between NCO a office, that said if policy is salute SALUTE

Response by Thunder O'Meara made May 31 at 2018 12:36 PM

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...What?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 12:53 PM

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An officer is an officer. Last time I checked, officers are saluted. Now, i will say, i have worked with A LOT of them in my field, and most of them don't really care if you do or don't, but it is a custom they are entitled to regardless. When in doubt, whip it out.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 12:53 PM

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Of course warrants deserve the salute from subordinates, but it doesn't help when a lot of you don't salute each other.

Response by SPC Charlie Robinson made May 31 at 2018 1:12 PM

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I had to salute WOs in the 60s, why would that change and why do you not nee(d to.

Response by CSM David Draughn made May 31 at 2018 2:15 PM

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Warrant officers are commissioned at the rank of CW2. Yes. You do salute warrants.

Response by SSG Robert Pratt made May 31 at 2018 2:33 PM

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Isn't that taught during customs and courtesies in Basic Training anymore?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 2:53 PM

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Warrants are still commissioned stud.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 3:11 PM

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You definitely should salute and one should be returned.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 3:29 PM

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Wow

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made May 31 at 2018 3:43 PM

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The elusive CW5. I have only seen two in my years alive and both were when I was out of the Corps. They were Both Marines and at the MCX on Lejune.

Response by SFC Tim Mosher made May 31 at 2018 3:50 PM

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You DO NOT have to salute Warrant Officers if they're from the Sheriff's Department. Otherwise, FREAKING DUH!!!

Response by MSG Gary Miller made May 31 at 2018 4:08 PM

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Old Army adage: 'If it moves, salute it. If it doesn't move, pick it up. If you can't pick it up, paint it.”

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 4:10 PM

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As a MSG, in surprises you are asking about this in a forum instead of looking up AR 600-20, AR 600-25, DA PAM 600-60 or even the drill and ceremony FM. Customs and courtesies are some of the basics. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to revisit these regs before you misinform your subordinates.

Response by Cpl Chris Stroud made May 31 at 2018 4:29 PM

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Warrant Officers don't exist...they're like unicorns and dragons, mythological creatures.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 4:39 PM

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If it gets an OER, salute.

Response by Cpl Jason Flynn made May 31 at 2018 5:14 PM

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Salute them. They’ve earned their bars.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 5:43 PM

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Love our Warrant Officer Corps as well as most that I've served with and had work for me. That said, they can be a fickle bunch. When one CW2 became promotable he looked at me (I was a MAJ) and stated, I guess it won't be long and we'll be on a first name basis. I had to explain to him not to confuse where his rank fell on the ORB relative to commissioned officers as well as some other things... Not that it's important, but it is part of our profession and demonstrates respect, if not for the person, for the rank and position they hold, but I've seen more than my share of Warrant Officers that frequently did not salute company grade officer as if they were peers or in some way more special. At the end of the day, there are enlisted, warrants, and NCOs that are smarter and more capable than me. However, that doesn't replace Army customs, traditions, and professional behavior... After all, that LT or CPT earned their position and rank also...

Response by SSG Kevin Price SR made May 31 at 2018 5:55 PM

2018-05-31T17:55:50-04:00

NOT saluting a Warrant Officer is akin to NOT wiping your @$$ after taking a dump! Just do it and stop spreading sh!t! You do it because it is better to be safe than sorry! And I knew enough Warrants in my day that you didn't want to mess with even if they were having a good day! "He that stirs the $h!t pot must lick the spoon!"

Response by 1SG George Dittman made May 31 at 2018 6:09 PM

2018-05-31T18:09:57-04:00

There is no accounting for stupidity.

Response by Sgt Dan Schnarr made May 31 at 2018 6:27 PM

2018-05-31T18:27:36-04:00

I would have been more likely not to salute a Butterbar rather than a WO.

Response by CSM Victor Gomez made May 31 at 2018 6:58 PM

2018-05-31T18:58:55-04:00

Is there a new Reg out, no? Then you damned well better salute our warrant officers.

Response by SSG Steven Faulkner made May 31 at 2018 7:42 PM

2018-05-31T19:42:11-04:00

can some one tell me where I can find any thing in Army regulations where when one retires they no long are required to saluate an officer id sure like to see it

Response by SPC David Dougherty made May 31 at 2018 8:21 PM

2018-05-31T20:21:07-04:00

Ive ALWAYS saluted Warrant Officers.

Response by LTC Charles Hamilton made May 31 at 2018 8:25 PM

2018-05-31T20:25:05-04:00

SMFH!! Where does such misinformation come from?? This certainly not my Military if such a question has to be asked in a public forum. Instead of embarrassing yourself, why didn’t you go look up the regulations which are usually kept updated in every HHC library or equivalent.

Response by SGT Carl Brown made May 31 at 2018 8:27 PM

2018-05-31T20:27:41-04:00

It is simple respect, you salute. That is one of the many problems with todays Army. It is being run by PC individuals that are afraid to hurt someone's feelings. So disappointing to hear this.

Response by SGT Richard Barcus made May 31 at 2018 8:44 PM

2018-05-31T20:44:42-04:00

Some of the post lately have been akin to those on FB

Response by MGySgt Mark Dove made May 31 at 2018 8:53 PM

2018-05-31T20:53:47-04:00

Sounds like some bum scoop sea lawyers (you Army guys will have to check that out) are doing what they do best - passing out bum scoop. Warrant officers rate a salute just like any commissioned officer.

Response by MSG Danny Mathers made May 31 at 2018 8:54 PM

2018-05-31T20:54:59-04:00

How dumb can you get? Quit listening to outhouse lawyers. They will get you into deep dodo.

Response by SFC Jacob Carpenter made May 31 at 2018 9:15 PM

2018-05-31T21:15:26-04:00

I have a soft spot for Warrents...especially ones that are jack wagons.

Response by SSG George Dorrill made May 31 at 2018 9:28 PM

2018-05-31T21:28:56-04:00

Just show the proper repect please. They earned their rank. Even uf retired.

Response by PO3 Charley Sage made May 31 at 2018 9:36 PM

2018-05-31T21:36:00-04:00

Completely unsat in the Coast Guard as well

Response by COL Ken Taylor made May 31 at 2018 9:42 PM

2018-05-31T21:42:46-04:00

It is a tradition born from mutual respect. I was always quick to return a sharp salute. The only difference is in who initiates it.

Response by LCpl Wesley Hall made May 31 at 2018 9:54 PM

2018-05-31T21:54:06-04:00

Warrant officers are officers, so they deserve their salute, Particularly if they're those old Mustang ers

Response by SSgt Rod Jerls made May 31 at 2018 9:54 PM

2018-05-31T21:54:40-04:00

I spent 15 years in the Marines, we had Warrant Officers in there also, I will be dammed if there would ever be a time that I would not salute them. They have earned that rank, and the majority of them deserve it as much if not more than a Regular Officer. In fact I saw a full Colonel virtually stand at attention in front of a Warrant Officer W-3's desk. Seems the Warrant Officer had been around since and before the Colonel had been an officer. These men and women earned our respect, I for one dam well will give it to them. SSgt R Jerls (ret.)

Response by CW5 Ranger Dave made May 31 at 2018 11:29 PM

2018-05-31T23:29:04-04:00

If you are enlisted, you ALWAYS salute a W1. He/She may be freshly minted and you get a dollar for presenting their first salute.

When I was a Speedy 4 stationed at Fort Benning, I would be there for OCS Graduation whipping out those salutes and collecting the loot. Better than selling blood in downtown Columbus.

When I made WO (aka SPOT), I presented some PFC that saluted as he walking past me in the PX parking lot a NEW DOLLAR BILL neatly folded and pressed between a WOC pin on insignia and a Senior status poker chip which we wore as Candidates on our ballcaps.

Response by SFC Joseph Morini made May 31 at 2018 11:30 PM

2018-05-31T23:30:46-04:00

I'm retired 3 year but I doubt things have changed that much.

Response by Sgt Jerry Planta made May 31 at 2018 11:52 PM

2018-05-31T23:52:43-04:00

Ok, back in 2000 i had a CSM from the marines that would tell the WO, if your rank is no major or above i am not saluting you period.

Response by CW5 Ranger Dave made May 31 at 2018 11:59 PM

2018-05-31T23:59:37-04:00

Spoiler alert! War story from an old guy. We know a thing or two, because we’ve seen a thing or two. I was a Regular Army CW3 RC-12G driver in Honduras. We worked 7 days a week because there was nothing else to do. Walking to our Skiff, I noticed a jeep with two guys yelling at enlisted folks. Really didn’t think much of it until after several hours of paperwork, While walking back to the MI Company AO, I saw my 1SG being jacked up by these two yahoos in the jeep. I was in PT gear, shorts, T shirt and running shoes. One was a SFC and the other was a CW2. The SFC started to yell at me and I told him to be at ease. The W2 started to yell at me so I stood BOTH OF THEM AT ATTENTION after I identified myself and rank. While they were at attention, I asked my 1SG what the hell was going on? He said he never saw the jeep, they just stopped at started reading him the riot act for no saluting the Warrant. I then remembered them yelling at other folks while I was going to my office earlier. Come to find out. The two knot heads were SFC buddies from a motorpool and one just got promoted directly to CW2. Yep, he had his bar on almost all day. They were on a headspace and timing trip because one of them was an officer. They had been riding around base getting salutes. I ordered both of them to Report to the JTF-Bravo Commanders office and stay there until I arrived in proper uniform. They left in a big hurry. I changed into BDUs, gathered my Company Commander, a Major, and my Bn Cdr, an LTC, and we paid a visit to the JTF-Bravo Commander’s office. Needless to say he was one pissed off Colonel when we left assuring us the newly minted CW2 was in his TERMINAL RANK and would be the permanent OD until he rotated back to CONUS.

You see the thing this CW2 joker was never taught that RANK IS A TOOL. USE IT, BUT NEVER EVER ABUSE IT!

Response by SPC Ben Harris made Jun 1 at 2018 12:00 AM

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My CW 4 took care of us in maintenance. He told us not to salute him in the motor pool. He did stand up to a full bird and say get out of my shop. Inspection is in an hour.

Response by 1LT Ken Parris made Jun 1 at 2018 12:15 AM

2018-06-01T00:15:42-04:00

Are you in a unified command billet with members of the Commonwealth Armed Forces? If so, Commonwealth warrant officers are not commissioned and do not hold a "warrant" per se. They are equivalent to senior non-commissioned officers like sergeants major, master chief petty officers, and chief master sergeants. However, US warrant officers in CW2 and above actually hold presidential commissions and WO1s hold warrants from service secretaries so they are due proper customs and courtesies from junior personnel.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 2:16 AM

2018-06-01T02:16:58-04:00

Salute them. Any Officer from the grade of WO1 all the way up to the tippy top gets the salute. It's a small thing to do, but it is something that they've earned.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 5:39 AM

2018-06-01T05:39:07-04:00

I remembering hearing some weird rule that you salute them once for the day, verbal greeting thereafter.

Didn't make any sense to me. They are officers. Officers are saluted. End of discussion.

I would disagree on "when you retire," but with a minor point: if you're wearing the uniform, you salute. Granted, it is not common to wear a uniform after retirement, but if you do, customs and courtesy still apply.

Response by TSgt Scott Artz made Jun 1 at 2018 5:44 AM

2018-06-01T05:44:32-04:00

When did this all change? It's custom and courtesies to salute a Warrant officer. Like one other post when in doubt whip it out. Would rather get embarrassed than the be embarrassed by getting my ass chewed for not saluting and officer. Now I heard that you have the option to call them sir or Ma'am. Or Mr or Mrs, Miss and last name. Perferably Sir or Ma'am. If I am incorrect I appologize.

Response by SP6 Joseph Siegel made Jun 1 at 2018 6:33 AM

2018-06-01T06:33:43-04:00

Let me guess,.the head of the extra duty squad gave you that nugget on a lonely day...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 6:41 AM

2018-06-01T06:41:05-04:00

Go ahead and don't salute him or her. You will make their day. By the way don't waste your time and don't salute any officers. Then come back to us and tell us how your day went.

Response by SPC Darin Ninness made Jun 1 at 2018 7:04 AM

2018-06-01T07:04:03-04:00

Counterpoint: former aviation soldier here, it was customary to salute our warrants in the company area (comprising the hangar, orderly room & parking lot) once a day and then not again. They'd actually get annoyed if you kept saluting them. Commissioned officers (CO, XO, platoon leaders, maintenance officer) got a salute on every encounter.

Outside the company area beyond the airfield gate? Always salute, no matter what. Some sharp-eyed CSM might be lurking.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Jun 1 at 2018 7:11 AM

2018-06-01T07:11:03-04:00

It is perhaps a common misconception that enlisted Soldier are prohibited from saluting Warrant Officers born out of a long standing tradition.... Warrant Officers don't like set down their coffee mug to return salutes. However, they are most worthy of the salute, even if they risk spilling the precious fluid. :-D

Response by Lt Col George Roll made Jun 1 at 2018 9:20 AM

2018-06-01T09:20:45-04:00

WOs are Officers. Lower ranks salute.

Response by SGT Chad Berck made Jun 1 at 2018 9:20 AM

2018-06-01T09:20:57-04:00

Oh I bet the CSM knew him as a junior NCO, who went out and got his WO. So now the CSM’ ego got all butt hurt when he had to salute him.

Response by MCPO Larry Wilske made Jun 1 at 2018 9:25 AM

2018-06-01T09:25:13-04:00

Much more important than some Warrant Officers ego is the leadership that get's the courtesy of a salute. For years, I've hear self ingratiated "O's" (this is not an issue in the SEAL Teams) bloviate about how they earned their rank and demand salutes. Two points: 1. Salutes are earned, given out of respect and admiration. If you fail to earn your salute from your Team mate it's your failure as a Leader. 2. Nobody "Earns" their rank. Rank is given by promotion boards that are willing to take risk on you and make you the bottom rung of the next ladder of Leadership. Rank is not your throne to sit on and dictate to your Subordinates, Rank is something (just like a salute) you earn every day and do so with gratitude to everyone that took risk on you and promoted you from one level of Leadership to be the least experienced Leader in the next position. Nobody ever singly earns their rank, it takes a Team and true leaders completely understand they only give "Credit" and only take "Blame".
So my advice to any "Subordinate" that may have missed rendering a salute and get's immediately corrected by the insecure recipient is this: Apologize, render the salute and ask them what they intend to do in order to earn your salute.

Response by Cpl Alex Moore made Jun 1 at 2018 9:32 AM

2018-06-01T09:32:40-04:00

The only exception I ever knew of was in a combat zone. You never salute any officer in a combat zone to avoid making them a direct target. Past that Warrant Officer to General, you always salute.

Response by SFC David Hackett made Jun 1 at 2018 9:37 AM

2018-06-01T09:37:37-04:00

Where do these crazy stories originate from? They are considered in the same capacity basically as any other officer. Of course you salute them. I wonder sometimes now that I am retired what the Army is becoming when we even have to consider questions like this.

Response by SPC Joshua Whan made Jun 1 at 2018 10:08 AM

2018-06-01T10:08:26-04:00

I always saluted any WO I seen. It is regualtion and you can get into trouble for it. They are an officer. I had some WOs that did not expect us to salute them because the only time it is ok is if they tell you not to salute them. That goes for any officer. I had a platoon leader who did not wanting a salute. We lost him in a IED attack on our convoy in 05. He was a special guy and I will never forget how he stood up for us and treated us as equals. You are missed Capt Gurbisz!! But I do love a good “Sniper check” while in Iraq with all the newbie LTs whom had a stick in they ass there!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 10:30 AM

2018-06-01T10:30:25-04:00

AR 600-25 states that all officers (warrant or commissioned) are entitled to a salute from ALL personnel junior to them in rank.

Response by MAJ Jim Cook made Jun 1 at 2018 11:29 AM

2018-06-01T11:29:59-04:00

A Warrant Officier, is an Officier, he may not be Commissioned, and he is entitled to and has earned the right to receive the salute.

Response by SSgt Elihu Lowery made Jun 1 at 2018 11:56 AM

2018-06-01T11:56:41-04:00

One thing I learned in my 9+yrs in service was that it does not matter what someone tells you. Make sure you always look it up in the regs for yourself first chance you get. Just keep in mind that some regs or open to interpretation by local command so make sure you find out the local direction. But if you hear something radical like don't salute WOs make sure you see that reg for yourself.

Response by SSG Tom Lydon made Jun 1 at 2018 12:33 PM

2018-06-01T12:33:38-04:00

How is this even a question

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 12:38 PM

2018-06-01T12:38:12-04:00

Tell you what.. you dont have to salute anyone in the 1st Special Forces Command AO that ranges from the parking lot to the building. There we have now found you a new no saluting safe space. But I dare you to pass by some salty warrant and not salute. It wont end well. Never forget that everyone but the stick wiggling warrants were at the top of our game as NCO’s before crossing over. So we can read books too!

Response by PO3 Tim T made Jun 1 at 2018 12:43 PM

2018-06-01T12:43:30-04:00

Gold on sleeve, collar shoulders and cap. Snap off a good one. I remember people straight out of boot snapping a crisp one to airline pilots.....

Response by Patricia Garris-Shoemaker made Jun 1 at 2018 12:58 PM

2018-06-01T12:58:02-04:00

That’s just ludicrous.

Response by SGM J Bergquist made Jun 1 at 2018 1:37 PM

2018-06-01T13:37:44-04:00

That's new to me? 34 years of service and that's the first I've heard of that! Now maybe if you work with the Warrant Officer you not going to Saluting him all the time or at work but still they are Officers!

Response by CSM Gary Rock made Jun 1 at 2018 1:41 PM

2018-06-01T13:41:22-04:00

Who ever sees a Warrant Officer???

Response by SPC Bill Alderman made Jun 1 at 2018 1:46 PM

2018-06-01T13:46:35-04:00

Hell I'd be MORE inclined to salute a warrant.

Response by 1SG Phillip Newton made Jun 1 at 2018 3:02 PM

2018-06-01T15:02:15-04:00

Where do stories like this come from? We’ve always known to salute Warrant officers. Who would even think it is appropriate or justified not too salute them?

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 3:20 PM

2018-06-01T15:20:26-04:00

I'm afraid you heard wrong.

Response by MSG Scott Doyle made Jun 1 at 2018 3:50 PM

2018-06-01T15:50:45-04:00

I used to make it a point of finding our WO3 every morning LOL. He finally stopped trying to hide and took his salute

Response by SP5 Walter Chisholm made Jun 1 at 2018 4:36 PM

2018-06-01T16:36:32-04:00

When I was in, (1964-68), you had to salute a WO only once a day... not every time you encountered him. There were only four Warrant grades... WO1, CWO2, CWO3 and CWO4.

Response by CW2 Willard Cannon made Jun 1 at 2018 5:00 PM

2018-06-01T17:00:52-04:00

Only the chair force force force does not salu only the chair force Does not salute warrants. They have no idea what they are.

Response by CPO Tp Harvey made Jun 1 at 2018 5:34 PM

2018-06-01T17:34:11-04:00

I have to call BS on this. Warrant Officers should be saluted. They are Officers and by climbing the ranks, they have more than earned that salute.

Response by CPO Ted Epperson made Jun 1 at 2018 5:34 PM

2018-06-01T17:34:22-04:00

All commissioned officers rate a salute, that includes Warrents.

Response by SSgt John Jones made Jun 1 at 2018 5:58 PM

2018-06-01T17:58:49-04:00

Don’t salute a warrant...enjoy getting shredded. Warrants in my MOS were treated like gods, and deservedly so.

Response by MSG Gary McGhghy made Jun 1 at 2018 6:51 PM

2018-06-01T18:51:23-04:00

Always saluted 1st and 2 nd Lieutenants and WO have earned their bars too.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2018 7:01 PM

2018-06-01T19:01:18-04:00

What retard started this?

Response by SP6 Christopher Reynaud made Jun 1 at 2018 7:36 PM

2018-06-01T19:36:36-04:00

Always Salute As A Sign Of Respect.

Response by SSG Michael Gray made Jun 1 at 2018 7:49 PM

2018-06-01T19:49:16-04:00

Back in the 50’s, it was normal to only Salute a WO one time a day. That according to my NCO Father who served from 1953-1963

Response by CWO2 Robert Vasquez Jr. made Jun 2 at 2018 12:20 AM

2018-06-02T00:20:24-04:00

Must be an Army thing. Marines don't have this issue. All enlisted, SgtMaj Marine Corps on down salute. It's a general order to salute all officers. In the Corps we are called sir or ma'am, not Mr or warrant etc. Superiors usually call us by our first name. A cwo is a commissioned officer whether you like it or not.

Response by SGT Mike Bohan made Jun 2 at 2018 3:04 AM

2018-06-02T03:04:58-04:00

Warrants are as worthless as officers without Ranger tabs

Response by CPT Gary Kirkman made Jun 2 at 2018 3:20 AM

2018-06-02T03:20:09-04:00

Always salute and expect a salute in return!

Response by Capt James Black made Jun 2 at 2018 3:36 AM

2018-06-02T03:36:21-04:00

I jokingly told the SgtMaj that the last time I checked, a 2ndLT was a higher rank than SgtMaj, therefore this is now my grass. Man that sucked.

Response by PO2 Sean Robinson made Jun 2 at 2018 4:00 AM

2018-06-02T04:00:43-04:00

While Warrants may be unicorns, i saw 1 out of the corner of my eye once in 5 years, they are officers and are thus entitled to a salute and other customs afforded to normal O-gangers.

Response by Cpl Mark Ewers made Jun 2 at 2018 5:03 AM

2018-06-02T05:03:06-04:00

I had a couple of staff non commission officers I disliked, I still respected the rank on their shoulders The person wearing it not so much. One got busted down to private for his actions. If a person is in uniform, they are to be professional at all times. Especially, when they have issue with a higher ranking member. Its not about the personal, its about the professional.

Response by Sgt Michael Klein made Jun 2 at 2018 10:03 AM

2018-06-02T10:03:48-04:00

Not trying to be disrespectful but a MSgt should know correct protocol for customs and courtesies. A Warrant Officer is just that an OFFICER and rates a salute.

Response by PO3 Bo Hunt made Jun 2 at 2018 10:53 AM

2018-06-02T10:53:04-04:00

If you don't know who you are required to salute, how do you pass boot camp?

Response by SSgt David Marks made Jun 2 at 2018 11:00 AM

2018-06-02T11:00:29-04:00

You being a MSGT, you should know where to go for the correct answer, however, while I was in the service, 75-88, the last Warrent Officer in the USAF retired from the AF Reserves. So we didn't see many if any WO's, but because they are classified as Officers a salute from enlisted personnel is required.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2018 11:09 AM

2018-06-02T11:09:57-04:00

I’ve always saluted WOs. Why is this even a question?

Response by CPL Merle McKeever made Jun 2 at 2018 11:12 AM

2018-06-02T11:12:55-04:00

They literally have the name officer in their rank. Idiots.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Jun 2 at 2018 11:27 AM

2018-06-02T11:27:08-04:00

Dumbest post I've read all day.....and from a Master Sergeant/ interim Sergeant Major WTH???

Response by PO3 Dave Dockery made Jun 2 at 2018 11:49 AM

2018-06-02T11:49:08-04:00

Warrant Officers are still officers. In the USCG, I would have been written up, deservedly, for not saluting a CWO. ⚓

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 2 at 2018 12:09 PM

2018-06-02T12:09:55-04:00

LAMO MSG!

Response by SSG Randy Butternubs made Jun 2 at 2018 12:19 PM

2018-06-02T12:19:45-04:00

You totally don’t have to salute CWOs. Just walk by and give them a casual “sup” maybe add “playa” to that greeting.

Response by CPT Ken McCawley made Jun 2 at 2018 12:48 PM

2018-06-02T12:48:39-04:00

Stand fast. The fire's coming

Response by PFC Wendy Austin made Jun 2 at 2018 1:11 PM

2018-06-02T13:11:27-04:00

I was friends with a CW5 once, after getting out. I NEVER saw anyone of lower rank not salute. He was like royalty on our base, and a super, all-around great guy. His rank was not the only reason he was respected. Also, his wife NEVER tried to pull his rank like some wives (do you know who my husband is?), but she was like the matriarch of housing.

Response by LTC Robert Harter made Jun 2 at 2018 3:41 PM

2018-06-02T15:41:18-04:00

Yes you are

Response by LTC Robert Harter made Jun 2 at 2018 3:44 PM

2018-06-02T15:44:31-04:00

I cannot believe the Army would change the regulation requiring that warrant officers are saluted by all soldiers of lesser rank.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2018 7:55 PM

2018-06-02T19:55:57-04:00

Yeah, I’m saluting warrants because they’ve earned the respect. They are very respected in my community because they work hard like enlisted and never forgot where they came from.

Response by CW2 Terrence Clancy made Jun 2 at 2018 8:09 PM

2018-06-02T20:09:33-04:00

Bad information. A warrant Officer is a commissioned Warrant officer to be rendered a hand salute where appropriate. It’s a matter of respect and as I returned the salute, it was done with respect to the EM.
CW2 Clancy

Response by SPC Jack Richard made Jun 2 at 2018 8:16 PM

2018-06-02T20:16:03-04:00

A Warrant Officer is an NCO with an officer's privileges and enlisted ranks do salute them. Warrant Officers salute commissioned officers.

Response by GySgt Ascencion Gomez, D.S.L. made Jun 2 at 2018 11:10 PM

2018-06-02T23:10:32-04:00

I'm not sure about the army but commission officers by navy regs rate a hand salute. WOs are non commissioned.

Response by Sgt Johnathan Terrell made Jun 2 at 2018 11:15 PM

2018-06-02T23:15:16-04:00

Reduction in rank, half a months pay for 2 months, 45 days EPD and 45 days to the barracks. They will learn soon enough.

Response by PO3 Roy Benson made Jun 2 at 2018 11:36 PM

2018-06-02T23:36:26-04:00

We were told that if they had the Gold chinstrap and or the officer insignia on their cover you saluted.

Response by MAJ William Roberts made Jun 3 at 2018 12:29 AM

2018-06-03T00:29:37-04:00

That was probably from the same guy who sent you to supply to pick up that case of grid squares.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2018 4:30 AM

2018-06-03T04:30:58-04:00

I don’t know who said that but I’m guessing they heard that through the grapevine

Response by SPC Rick Postel made Jun 3 at 2018 10:01 AM

2018-06-03T10:01:48-04:00

Sometimes I did and didn't. Most of the time I don't think they cared. That's the feeling I got. Always called them sir though.

Response by Cpl Tom Kurzeja made Jun 3 at 2018 1:03 PM

2018-06-03T13:03:38-04:00

If I see somebody not saluting a warrant officer, they’re getting slapped.

Response by PO1 Mark Lee made Jun 3 at 2018 2:19 PM

2018-06-03T14:19:39-04:00

Just how difficult is it for Soldiers to render a salute, must be the “New Army.”

But you Soldiers and Airmen, have no problem throwing out a salute to a Navy Third Class Petty Officer. Seen this happen frequently on joint bases.

Mistaking that 3rd Class Chevron and Eagle for a Col. or Capt.

Response by SFC Briani Sotile made Jun 3 at 2018 3:41 PM

2018-06-03T15:41:21-04:00

Where did this nonsense start that you don't salute WO's?

Response by PV2 Christopher Graham made Jun 3 at 2018 3:49 PM

2018-06-03T15:49:12-04:00

Had a case of inter-cranial flatulence, committed the sin, left the area with no ass left. CW4 bit it off!

Response by Sgt Brian Crile made Jun 3 at 2018 4:21 PM

2018-06-03T16:21:57-04:00

If it’s shiny salute, all WO’s rate a salute from me!

Response by Cpl Kelly Moore made Jun 3 at 2018 4:24 PM

2018-06-03T16:24:26-04:00

Mad respect to the warrant officers.

Response by SGT Rohan Bryan made Jun 3 at 2018 4:29 PM

2018-06-03T16:29:53-04:00

That crap had to come from some barracks lawyer

Response by PO3 Doc Mesa made Jun 3 at 2018 5:33 PM

2018-06-03T17:33:15-04:00

That is news to me. I always saluted warrant officers.

Response by SFC Hugh Love made Jun 3 at 2018 5:42 PM

2018-06-03T17:42:34-04:00

What's wrong with showing respect if not for the I individual the rank!

Response by MSG Todd Mayberry made Jun 3 at 2018 10:45 PM

2018-06-03T22:45:35-04:00

They earned it...respect it!

Response by SGT David Carmichael made Jun 3 at 2018 10:56 PM

2018-06-03T22:56:13-04:00

I've known several maintenance warrants that didn't like to be saluted so the compromise was we would salute them upon seeing them for the first time in the morning and not the rest of the day while working in the motor pool but that was at their request regs say salute normally

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Jun 3 at 2018 11:36 PM

2018-06-03T23:36:14-04:00

I don't know which Army you are in but in the US Army we salute Warrant Officers. (Even if the Warrant Officers say we don't have to.)

Response by SGT Dony Neil made Jun 4 at 2018 8:35 AM

2018-06-04T08:35:43-04:00

Today’s soldiers.. wow...

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Jun 4 at 2018 9:53 AM

2018-06-04T09:53:16-04:00

Obviously promoted by the Peter Principle. If I called a CSM "Sonny" or displayed disrespect towards the rank you can bet your sweet ass said CSM would have a stroke.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2018 2:01 PM

2018-06-05T14:01:56-04:00

I should of posted this back then under humor... Now everyone thinks I am a dummy... Makes for some good reading though.

Response by SPC Jamie Smith made Jun 6 at 2018 1:22 PM

2018-06-06T13:22:18-04:00

The few W.O.s I met in Vietnam were all pretty "laid back" guys who probably didn't care if you saluted them or not. Most were chopper pilots, so I surely respected them immensely. They have delivered supplies, flown wounded out of Hot LZs, & risked everything for us grunts.
Whether a salute is "required " or not , I would proudly salute them.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Jun 7 at 2018 11:20 PM

2018-06-07T23:20:45-04:00

When I was enlisted and a NCO I saluted every WO and O. When I became commissioned I returned the salutes of everyone (when possible) of those saluting me. I have great respect for WOs and CWOs (many saved my life) and admire their technical expertise.
Whatever jackass started the "you don't have to salute a Warrant Officer" should have a WO1 low crawl him or her, regardless of rank E-1 through E-9, around the perimeter of the post or base a few times until the physical exercise imparts a respectful knowledge of basic military courtesy.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jun 10 at 2018 5:40 PM

2018-06-10T17:40:32-04:00

The ass clown that told you that need's to be sent back to basic. In my opion most Warrant officers have earnd the salut more than Officers. For this resion most of them wor there way up the food chain from E-1 Nobody to at least E-6 to my understanding. Then they must put in the Wrrant pack. if they get picked they they go to Knif and fork School to be treated like day one's agin. Go thue all that to onlay have the chance be be promted four more time's at the max. And still most likly end up under some New kid that does not have a clue on half the stuff that most Warrant Know and Do. This is just my opion from what I have seen.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jun 15 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-06-15T19:57:46-04:00

Another personal experience that I had. I saw the officer's rank on his cap and saluted. He smiled and chuckled and then then told me that saluting Warrant Officers need not be saluted. He was former enlisted himself and kind of really hated being saluted any way.

Response by CW3 David Vinson made Jun 17 at 2018 7:57 PM

2018-06-17T19:57:15-04:00

I think someone is full of bull,the has not that fast.I'm Medical Retired CW3,you don't salute me any more.It I'm in uniform you salute me.If I not in uniform don't salute me.Noting has changed.

Response by PO3 Siobhra DeWar made Jun 20 at 2018 5:57 AM

2018-06-20T05:57:39-04:00

I got out in 1967. Now I and I alone decide who get's a salute. I salute all ranks currently serving and any vet in a service uniform. (Legion, VFW, etc)

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2018 6:23 AM

2018-06-20T06:23:43-04:00

They are an officer. Why the hell would you not salute them. They have more knowledge & technical expertise than regular officers. If nothing they demand more respect.

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Jun 21 at 2018 8:44 AM

2018-06-21T08:44:59-04:00

You salute all officers above and below your rank!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2018 9:04 AM

2018-06-23T09:04:42-04:00

How does this nonsense get around? Why do you listen to this stuff? You salute all officers.

Response by CPT Robert Skinner made Jun 25 at 2018 6:24 PM

2018-06-25T18:24:20-04:00

I will never forget walking in Bosnia, Tuzla Base next to my Platoon Leader, a (1st Lt.) and I walked past a CWO 2 or 3 and failed to salute, I truly didn't recognize the rank (my error), plus I had never truly seen a WO rank up close other than rank structure in basic training. Armor didn't really have the Warrant rank unless it was the Battalion Maintenance Tech (1 per Battalion). The guy basically dressed me down and I saluted smartly. Then my LT stepped in and said it was on honest mistake, and that I meant no disrespect. I truly had my head up my fourth point of contact that day. So yes you have to salute warrant officers. They've earned it.

Response by SFC George Simons made Jun 27 at 2018 1:43 AM

2018-06-27T01:43:15-04:00

Not saluting a warrent is a good way to lose some rank

Response by SP5 Donald Moore made Jun 29 at 2018 10:29 PM

2018-06-29T22:29:19-04:00

respect=salute

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jul 3 at 2018 2:22 PM

2018-07-03T14:22:57-04:00

That's just silly. True, I only return Warrant Officers' salutes PROUDLY. (Most of) You DO salute Warrant Officers.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jul 3 at 2018 2:25 PM

2018-07-03T14:25:44-04:00

True: if you are a Medal of Honor recipient, you do not salute Warrants. Otherwise, if you are junior to one and in an appropriate environment to salute ANYBODY, you salute WOs.

Response by SSG William Wall made Jul 5 at 2018 11:16 AM

2018-07-05T11:16:33-04:00

I always believed that the "C" in "CWO" stood for "Crusty". In my first duty assignment - 503d Aviation Battalion (Cbt) - we had plenty of WO1s. Oh the joys of walking by one and saying, "Pocket's unzipped, sir." Another couple of paces, an about face, and it was like watching the olive drab version of a Macarena competition.

I recall one S-4 CW4, Mr. Norris, when we were at Grafenwoehr, cleaning up the area with an old "reel" mower. Asked him why a CW4 was mowing, when there were other soldiers doing nothing. Simple answer, "I want to." Told me about the joys of being a CW4 (1979 mind you) over 30. "They can send me to Leavenworth, or they can send me home."

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2018 4:07 PM

2018-07-05T16:07:28-04:00

AR 600-5 covers this. But, you have heard wrong. Until there is an update to the AR, or at least a policy memo from the top, keep saluting WO's. If that were to suddenly change I am sure the Army Times would have a full page story covering it with the "why" of it all.

Response by CWO4 William Johnson made Jul 15 at 2018 7:50 PM

2018-07-15T19:50:51-04:00

I would be interested in knowing who passed that bum dope on to you and where they received their info. Really not sure about the Army Warrants, but the Navy/Marine Corps CWO's are fully commissioned officers.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jul 16 at 2018 12:25 PM

2018-07-16T12:25:27-04:00

I went through USAF basic in 1973, and we were taught to salute Warrants the first time we saw them that day only. They were being phased out and replaced by CMSgts, one of the biggest mistakes the USAF ever made, in my opinion, because it degraded the whole enlisted structure when dealing with other military units, especially foreign ones. I only ever saw one, in 1980 when I was a USAF Firefighter for a couple of years. He was in a civilian position at Eglin but also in the Reserve. Or something like that. Everyone treated him with if anything more respect than a commissioned officer, because by that time he was totally unique, and I personally saluted him even when he was in his civilian clothes. Because why not? It doesn't cost anything and he deserved the respect. BTW, there were NO commissioned officers in the USAF Fire Departments at the time, or so I was told.

Response by Sgt Greg Puckett made Jul 17 at 2018 6:43 AM

2018-07-17T06:43:43-04:00

A warrant Officer is just that......an Officer! The rank is due the same respect as everyone with an "O" rank. Not saluting a Warrant officer would be like telling a CMsgt that he is just a sergeant! Prepare to lose part of your ass.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2018 1:43 AM

2018-07-19T01:43:18-04:00

Warrant Officers are Commissioned Officers and as Commissioned Officers they can assume the role as Company Commanders, it is respect to Rank that we Salute not the person. not Saluting is disrespect and the UCMJ is very clear about disrespect to Officers. Be very careful what Barracks Lawyers tell you always refer to JAG or IG for clarification on matters concerning Drill and Ceremonies. It takes alot to become a Warrant Officer and their responsibility is heavy. Respect the Rank.

Response by CDR Robert Bralliar made Jul 25 at 2018 7:36 PM

2018-07-25T19:36:17-04:00

In the USN, if you are E-9 or below, you better be saluting warrant officers.

Response by 1LT John McKee made Jul 28 at 2018 5:54 PM

2018-07-28T17:54:52-04:00

Old adage from my time ‘66 to ‘69: “If it moves, salute it; if it doesn’t, paint it”

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2018 10:56 PM

2018-08-02T22:56:59-04:00

I think someone is messing with you.

Response by SSG Charles Davis made Aug 3 at 2018 4:42 AM

2018-08-03T04:42:40-04:00

Don't forget.....all Warrants used to be NCO's. So, if you don't salute, you WILL get a good 'ol fashioned, NCO style, ass chewing!! Lol

Response by CW2 Max Dolan made Aug 8 at 2018 8:52 AM

2018-08-08T08:52:44-04:00

That's funny! In the only unit I served in while in uniform as a Warrant Officer, we had the tradition of saluting Warrants the first time you saw them during the day and that was usually it. There were a few soldiers who saluted all the time. I was a "Section Chief" for Military Intelligence types in the 101st CEWI Battalion at Fort Riley, Kansas at the time. My section was the same as the "OPSEC Platoon," and I was effectively the platoon leader as well, as our 2nd Lieutenant didn't care much for formations! (-: If you are not familiar with the now-defunct "CEWI Concept," that stood for "Command Emphasis Without Intelligence"....er, not that...It was "Combat Electronic Warfare Intelligence." Yeah...that's it! Actually, I loved my job there and my section people were absolutely terrific. My commander hated to see me go and I probably could have stayed there until retirement, but I had to try something new. I could tell you stories...but let's leave that for later!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2018 10:06 AM

2018-08-08T10:06:41-04:00

plain and simple, if you see something other than enlisted rank and its shinny, you salute.

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made Aug 13 at 2018 12:35 AM

2018-08-13T00:35:52-04:00

I was wondering about that myself. When I was at Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo in 2014 (as a contractor with DynCorp), the enlisted soldiers did NOT salute the Warrants, yet the Warrants didn't seem to mind. I couldn't believe WTF I was seeing.

Response by SFC James Marchinke made Aug 14 at 2018 8:47 AM

2018-08-14T08:47:05-04:00

Um, you are hearing things or taking things out of context, of course you salute warrants, not in combat zones and some units state not in combat training either.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made Aug 17 at 2018 9:10 PM

2018-08-17T21:10:30-04:00

Yes you are they are officers and deserve respect. Warrant Officers become commissioned officers and can be put in command positions

Response by CWO2 Thomas McGrath made Aug 18 at 2018 12:35 PM

2018-08-18T12:35:49-04:00

Shaking my head.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Aug 26 at 2018 4:33 PM

2018-08-26T16:33:04-04:00

Try that with one of my Marine Corps Warrant Officers and let me know how that works out.

Response by SSG Steve Finlan made Aug 27 at 2018 1:22 PM

2018-08-27T13:22:46-04:00

Who on Earth came up with THAT urban legend? WO & CWO get saluted. The closest thing I ever heard to something like that was somebody told me once that Warrant Officers don't have to salute ONE ANOTHER but I never saw that actually happen (or not happen), in 11 years of service.

Response by BG Mike Bridges made Aug 27 at 2018 11:55 PM

2018-08-27T23:55:54-04:00

And what "expert" in military protocol is giving you this counsel?

Response by Maj Phillip Leslie made Sep 3 at 2018 11:26 AM

2018-09-03T11:26:57-04:00

Wow! All Officers are to be saluted and they are required to return the salute. Period!!!
At least Marine / Naval personnel. USMC E 7 / W 4 / 0 4 Retired

Response by CW4 Fred Atkinson made Sep 5 at 2018 1:25 PM

2018-09-05T13:25:32-04:00

Fake news!

Response by Cpl James Gilchrist made Sep 6 at 2018 5:52 PM

2018-09-06T17:52:27-04:00

Salute all Warrant Officers. No exceptions.

Response by 1SG Tim Gunst made Sep 9 at 2018 5:02 PM

2018-09-09T17:02:38-04:00

No disrespect but your a MSG and you suddenly here we don't have to salute a warrant officer. First I would say who ever told you that can not be in the military and second you should no better then even thinking you wouldn't. I am confused why you would make a comment like that because your a senior NCO and should know better.

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Sep 16 at 2018 4:36 PM

2018-09-16T16:36:34-04:00

You don't listen to what you"hear". Read the regs.

Response by LTC Charles "Pappy" Patchin made Sep 17 at 2018 10:56 AM

2018-09-17T10:56:02-04:00

Being a former NCO I would respond you salute because you are enlisted swine. Being an officer and a gentleman, by act of Congress, I respond one recognizes rank and position of those appointed over them. This is accomplished by a salute. As a veteran I respond if you don't want to salute take your sorry ass out of my military and go someplace else to screw that place up.

Response by PO1 Richard Norton made Sep 19 at 2018 2:17 PM

2018-09-19T14:17:36-04:00

An officer is an officer period. If they out rank you then you salute first. If you out rank them they salute first. They only except to this is someone in uniform with a medal of Honor displayed. Then he is saluted by everyone.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Sep 27 at 2018 3:05 PM

2018-09-27T15:05:59-04:00

Salute.

Response by PO2 John Forsythe made Sep 27 at 2018 9:33 PM

2018-09-27T21:33:40-04:00

What idiot told you that? I always saluted my warrant out of respect for his rank anf integrity

Response by CW5 Donna Smith made Oct 2 at 2018 10:05 AM

2018-10-02T10:05:03-04:00

I don't know who has spread this nonsense. A Warrant Officer is a Commissioned Officer and you are required to render a salute. I know when I was working in a joint assignment, the enlisted airman in the Air Force thought they didn't have to salute me but I re-educated them with a quick block of instruction on rendering a salute to ALL COMMISSIONED OFFICERS.

Response by SPC Mike Davis made Oct 2 at 2018 2:17 PM

2018-10-02T14:17:26-04:00

I had an uncle back in the 40's that was a warrant. (I was just a kid but I remember mu dad and he talking about the rules.) Back than a warrant was saluted once a day. Cannot remember if addressed as sir or if enlisted had to stand in his presence. But, I do remember the once a day thing, thought it was kind of silly and I was just a kid.

Response by PVT Alejandro Rivera made Oct 2 at 2018 5:57 PM

2018-10-02T17:57:00-04:00

Feed their ego; salute.

Response by SPC Andrew K. made Oct 3 at 2018 10:40 PM

2018-10-03T22:40:01-04:00

A Warrant Officer salute was not a regulation but out of respect because most Warrant officers were non-com’s first. Most, in Armor, would say ‘No Salute necessary ‘ and the response was ‘out of respect Warrant Officer ‘ NEVER Sir

Response by CCMSgt John Davis made Oct 27 at 2018 6:43 PM

2018-10-27T18:43:30-04:00

You have to earn respect. If you have to demand a salute you don’t deserve it

Response by Maj John Johnston made Oct 30 at 2018 8:48 AM

2018-10-30T08:48:03-04:00

One person you don't want to miss saluting in the Corps is a Warrant Officer. As a former Chief Warrant Officer I saluted many more Marines each day than you can imagine. Remember a salute goes both ways as a sign of respect up and down the ranks. Only those who have bad attitudes would fail to salute each other as a sign of honor and respect for the organization they are part of.

Response by 1SG Donald Elmore made Oct 30 at 2018 12:32 PM

2018-10-30T12:32:49-04:00

It makes no difference if the person is a Warrant Officer or a Commissioned Officer, salute them as set forth in the regulations.

Response by SFC John Stroud made Nov 3 at 2018 9:16 PM

2018-11-03T21:16:18-04:00

As an SFC USA Veteran I still identify people I know by their rank. I still salute the Flag when required.

Response by SSG Timothy Stevenson made Nov 4 at 2018 4:03 PM

2018-11-04T16:03:06-05:00

Yes you are......a clue and a damn NCO worth a S”@$.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Nov 4 at 2018 4:08 PM

2018-11-04T16:08:32-05:00

I would Have saluted a Warrant, if a warrant could ever be found without having to make a pentagram of fresh coffee during the summoning ritual.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Nov 4 at 2018 8:07 PM

2018-11-04T20:07:07-05:00

Sorry this new Army is starting to scare me. Flack jackets are now IOBA or what ever every week new camo uniform don't salute Warrent Officers wow nothing is sacred.

Response by MSG Robert Ford made Nov 4 at 2018 9:00 PM

2018-11-04T21:00:49-05:00

Yeah.. read military customs and courtesy... where does this crap come from...

Response by PO2 Sean Baker made Nov 5 at 2018 4:08 AM

2018-11-05T04:08:36-05:00

I had a bad experience once. I was walking with my buddy and he saluted a brand new CWO2 and I didn't. The asshole actually stopped me and asked if I was going to salute. I raised my hand to my cover, and removed it.....

Response by MAJ Vic Artiga made Nov 8 at 2018 10:35 PM

2018-11-08T22:35:20-05:00

Those Soldiers should know better. Yes, they salute warrant officers. It reminds me of a time when a private saluted me with his left hand. When I asked him about it he said he could salute with either hand. WRONG!

Response by TSgt Terry Hudson made Nov 12 at 2018 9:34 AM

2018-11-12T09:34:12-05:00

Were these Airman? We don’t have WO in the AF so often times Airman who’ve never worked with Warrants don’t know or understand that WO warrant, see what I did there?, a salute.

Response by SSgt John Carter made Nov 13 at 2018 8:28 AM

2018-11-13T08:28:34-05:00

Yes, you’re missing the regulations. They are commissioned officers. W-2 and above by the President like all commissioned officers.

Response by CW2 Donald Loughrey made Nov 16 at 2018 9:33 AM

2018-11-16T09:33:08-05:00

I don't know where the soldier or whomever said they don't salute Warrant Officers in the Army but I encourage them to go to Ft Rucker and try it on one of the TAC Officers at WOC/WOEC Training. That should clear the issue up for them pretty quickly.....

Response by CW4 Eric Clayton made Nov 17 at 2018 5:50 PM

2018-11-17T17:50:10-05:00

If your brother in law walked to a CSM on said post and the CSM saluted, (which of course he would), then you know there is some serious NCOPD needed in the near future. That being said, yes all Warrant Officers will be rendered the required customs and courtesies including the hand salute.

Response by SSG Harold Myers made Nov 17 at 2018 9:21 PM

2018-11-17T21:21:14-05:00

I retired from the Army, and we saluted Warrant Officers. However, how often do you run into a WO, unless he is a pilot, it is done out of respect. Every morning I seen my CSM, and would salute him and shake his hand, "RESPECT"

Response by SFC Scott Parkhurst made Nov 23 at 2018 10:30 PM

2018-11-23T22:30:48-05:00

YICKS! Have I missed something?? You better salute a Warrant Officer! First of all they earned it and I sure as hell hope that Basic training is teaching recruits about structure of the Army? I learned that when in doubt, wimp it out..meaning that if your just not sure that's an officer approaching cause you can't see their rank or whatever...just salute. Better safe. I used to get saluted all the time just because the way I "looked" in uniform....But yes, Warrant officer's ARE to be saluted.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Dec 6 at 2018 6:51 PM

2018-12-06T18:51:34-05:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner..be safe and avoid a raft of s—t…follow the old rule when in doubt whip it out.

Response by LT Terry Lober made Dec 11 at 2018 11:07 AM

2018-12-11T11:07:38-05:00

All WO's are entitled to a salute from ALL enlisted personal. Period.

Response by PO1 Richard Norton made Dec 23 at 2018 2:35 PM

2018-12-23T14:35:23-05:00

Regardless of rank, enlisted men/women are to initiate a salute to all officers. If you have foreign officers training on your base you are to salute them. The only exception that I am aware of is for a holder of the Medal of Honor. Regardless of rank the other person initiates the salute if the Medal or associated ribbon is displayed. The last time I check a warrant officer was in fact an officer and deserving of a salute.

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Dec 24 at 2018 2:52 AM

2018-12-24T02:52:08-05:00

The Air Force phased out Warrant Officers long ago. But when I am on an Army or Marine base and saw one, you bet I exchange recognition, salutes with a fellow warrior. It’s a privilidge civilians will never know and sets us apart as followers of the profession of arms.

Response by SSG Shoyn Jones made Dec 26 at 2018 11:07 PM

2018-12-26T23:07:44-05:00

When I was in we did salute the warrant officers because they are officially considered officers of the military

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2018 11:26 PM

2018-12-26T23:26:55-05:00

You are required to salute all officers including warrant officers and officers of allied nation's. There are exceptions however the idiots probably where trolling the Marine.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Dec 27 at 2018 10:52 AM

2018-12-27T10:52:32-05:00

It used to be a big joke to make sure you saluted the warrants. Many didn't like being saluted so it was nice making them do something they didn't like for once.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2018 4:51 PM

2018-12-27T16:51:08-05:00

I had an NCO tell me I did not have to salute Officers when they were not in uniform. I looked it up, to find out that information was incorrect. That is the kind of military we are in nowadays.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2018 9:34 PM

2018-12-28T21:34:21-05:00

I was told that by a young soldier many years ago. It was a very hot and humid day at Ft Stewart GA. I got him the AFM and had him read out loud until it came Saluting Officers. Then I handed a pen and paper and then I had him write that portion.

In those days you could do things like that and get away with it.

Response by PO1 Charles Babcock made Jan 1 at 2019 5:41 PM

2019-01-01T17:41:10-05:00

I've been out a long time, but even back in the 80's and early '90's, if in doubt, salute. If they dont' like it, they will let you know. :-)

Response by SN James Shaw made Jan 8 at 2019 1:25 PM

2019-01-08T13:25:59-05:00

Warrants always get a salute. They know how to tear a ship apart and put it back together.. with their bare hands.

Plus, they've probably been in longer than some have been alive.

Response by SPC Willie Lott made Jan 8 at 2019 7:50 PM

2019-01-08T19:50:21-05:00

When i was in i showed warrants the same respect as regular officers. I had some great ones who taught valuable lessons.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2019 9:40 PM

2019-01-08T21:40:02-05:00

If we had time, as we passed. I would not only salute a Warrant Officer, I would shake his/her hand. Word on the street, and to me, when I went through Army OCS after being enlisted for five years. that Warrant Officer Training was brutal and deserved the same courtesy as a Commissioned Officer. That being said I also saluted NCO's first out of respect because they were the ones that guided me with their experience. I never had a problem with that and we worked well together.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2019 6:49 AM

2019-01-10T06:49:34-05:00

The old saying goes... "When in doubt, whip it out." Your salute that is. Warrants get saluted and Warrants salute 2LTs and above. Why wouldn't you is the question? Unless for safety zones or designated no salute zones... you salute.

Response by MAJ Bob Firth made Jan 11 at 2019 8:40 AM

2019-01-11T08:40:17-05:00

Someone must have seen a WO! This is like a bigfoot sighting. Photos?

Response by CW4 Angela Birt made Jan 12 at 2019 12:35 PM

2019-01-12T12:35:13-05:00

Perhaps they are confused. Enlisted salute all officers (warrant or otherwise). Warrants salute other officers of higher ranks, but generally....warrant officers don't salute each other. That's more a custom than a rule.

Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Jan 13 at 2019 12:38 PM

2019-01-13T12:38:24-05:00

As I say this I served from 1989-2005. It is because society is a bunch of panzy ass bitches.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Jan 13 at 2019 2:10 PM

2019-01-13T14:10:56-05:00

It never ceases to amaze me. Why oh why is it almost ALWAYS the Army? If there is a question regarding military protocol, uniform regs, basic frigging common sense, etc... it seems like it always has something to do with the Army. I do realize that no other branch of the military is as strict, as rigid, and as uncompromising as the Marine Corps. But, the Army seems to be a glaring example of non conformity. How in the hell do "soldiers" graduate boot camp if they do not possess the "BASIC" knowledge required to exist in the military? Until I joined this site and was exposed to this level of stupidity, I thought making fun of the Army was just Esprit De Corps. It now seems to me that, for the most part, the Army is one huge cluster f**k.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2019 2:31 PM

2019-01-15T14:31:25-05:00

When in doubt, whip it out.

Response by SSgt Kenneth Jones made Jan 15 at 2019 6:23 PM

2019-01-15T18:23:26-05:00

It has always been the custom to salute Warrant Officers in every branch of the service. W2s and above are commissioned officers.

Response by MCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2019 8:44 PM

2019-01-15T20:44:04-05:00

Is this relative to W-1 vs Chief Warrants?

Response by SFC Mamerto Perez made Jan 20 at 2019 3:46 PM

2019-01-20T15:46:39-05:00

when in doubt salute all officers

Response by PO1 Robert George made Jan 21 at 2019 2:18 PM

2019-01-21T14:18:23-05:00

Wow! just wow! Think you're brother in law got pranked! Or that was one sloppily run base...which I find hard to believe!

Response by SGT Glenn E Moody made Jan 27 at 2019 5:25 PM

2019-01-27T17:25:58-05:00

I never heard of that but I did hear that about SPC you are not the same as the NCO say like an SPC -E 4 tells you to do something we didn't have to like if an CPL E4 tells you to do the same thing you have to do it. I was lead to believe that SPC is staff. and CPL is NCO. I was INFANTRY my orders came in as SPC E4 less than one hour my PLT. LT called me front & center took the SPC the company C-O just pinned on and took them off & put CPL hard stripes on and said welcome to the rank of jr NCO so this is why I think like this all my paper work says SPC E4 my pay travel orders ect. but I got to put CPL E4 on my uniform ??????

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Jan 27 at 2019 5:36 PM

2019-01-27T17:36:52-05:00

Mr Case said "NONE of that shit on my flightline"! in Korea.

Response by SPC Nanette Porter made Feb 8 at 2019 1:20 PM

2019-02-08T13:20:53-05:00

I'm Sorry this happened as well even as an E4 when I was in I enforced registration. Because it's more than just something you do or don't do it's about everything that makes us soldiers and respectable. Reminds us of our duty and to maintain honor and loyalty. They have a purpose for everything that they do and don't do and when to do it and when not to. To me those are things you take with you in or out.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Feb 8 at 2019 8:59 PM

2019-02-08T20:59:14-05:00

I never understood why some Marines want to transition over to the army after they finished their enlistment in the Marine Corps. If fast a mentality that's going around an army this country is definitely jacked up !

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Feb 9 at 2019 4:06 PM

2019-02-09T16:06:38-05:00

I have no problem with that

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2019 8:23 AM

2019-02-10T08:23:26-05:00

I was just at Lackland Air Force Base for my daughter's graduation and was in uniform. A total of 3 Airmen rendered salutes. Now I know the Air Force doesn't have warrant officers and there was some confusion on their part but we ran into quite a few Army personnel and they too did not salute. I'm not a person that goes around looking for salutes but I believe that we've gotten way too relaxed on the matter. When I was enlisted I would never have looked away or walked out of the way just to not salute an officer.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2019 8:54 AM

2019-02-10T08:54:09-05:00

Its was probably lack of training and the rare occurance that these young Soldiers have ever seen a WO. But yes salute them all.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2019 9:12 AM

2019-02-10T09:12:31-05:00

When I left the Army in 2010, Saluting ALL officers whether Warrant or Commissioned was still a regulatory requirement, Not saluting the Brass is a disgrace to the uniform and service. Yes there are some, a very few officers that it is hard to render the salute to BUT Remember your are not saluting the person wearing the grade but rather respect for the grade itself

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2019 9:56 AM

2019-02-10T09:56:47-05:00

I think a serious ass chewing should have been in quick order. Not respecting a C/WO in my day would have resulted in a smoking so severe you would have thought you were back in basic

Response by Cpl Geoff Smith made Feb 10 at 2019 11:44 AM

2019-02-10T11:44:15-05:00

I'm old Corps, ALWAYS salute a Warrant Officer!

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 10 at 2019 2:43 PM

2019-02-10T14:43:46-05:00

I think they fed you a line of horse apples !

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2019 11:38 PM

2019-02-10T23:38:44-05:00

If the Warrant Office is the pilot of the chopper that drops my on the LZ, or picks me off the Hot LZ, then I SALUTE him, hell, I'll ever SALUTE the chopper.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2019 10:37 AM

2019-02-11T10:37:09-05:00

Absolutely preposterous! Saluting is a courtesy, but is mandatory in each of the services by all enlisted toward ALL officers and by all officers toward higher ranking officers.

Response by SPC David N Christy Thompson made Feb 12 at 2019 9:50 PM

2019-02-12T21:50:02-05:00

The problem I had as an enlisted 11B was seeing snot nosed kids out of college that didn't know shit but as an officer telling a 20 year elisted sgt how to operate, lmao. One more reason why I got out

Response by Sgt Daniel J. Daly made Feb 13 at 2019 6:44 PM

2019-02-13T18:44:34-05:00

Why wouldn’t you salute a Warrant Officer. The key word is”Officer”. All officers get saluted. There that answers the question.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Feb 14 at 2019 6:12 AM

2019-02-14T06:12:14-05:00

WHERE THE HELL DID YOU HEAR THIS PIECE OF GARBAGE?!?!?!YOU SALUTE COMMISSIONED AND WARRANT OFFICERS!!!PERIOD!!!END OF FILE!!!

Response by LTC James McElreath made Feb 14 at 2019 4:21 PM

2019-02-14T16:21:52-05:00

If you want to see some attitude fail to salute them. The picture is about as bad as an 2LT not being saluted. All the services have the same procedures when it comes to saluting. There is no way a person would know who, when if they were supposed to salute. The rank charts show what all the ranks look like. With the advent of the combined bases you need to know your ranks, and when in doubt salute. The Navy officers and enlisted are the hardest remember and maybe the USAF upper enlisted.

Response by PO3 Rod Arnold made Mar 1 at 2019 2:11 AM

2019-03-01T02:11:30-05:00

I don't have knowledge of Army Warrant Officers, but I can tell you in the Navy Warrant Officers are saluted. Given their time in service and vast knowledge they deserve a salute!!

Response by SGT Louie Santana made Mar 5 at 2019 8:24 PM

2019-03-05T20:24:33-05:00

That’s must be new, Never heard that happening before. I was in aviation and we always saluted the Warrant Officers. To be fair they are some of the smartest people I’ve met.

Response by SFC Byron Perry made Mar 30 at 2019 11:59 PM

2019-03-30T23:59:04-04:00

When I was in the Army, we saluted Warrant Officers, I had seen anyone not showing respect, they would have had a smoking that they would never forget.

Response by CW2 Scott Quaife made Apr 15 at 2019 10:37 AM

2019-04-15T10:37:53-04:00

As a former Warrant this is has been a slippery slope. Being that I was aviation we had a tight nit group and in some cases we didn't do it or really enforce it. However, walking around the post it was expected. I did however have to school a group of E-5's who were at PLDC at Ft. Eustis, they apparently didn't think anything of it being that I was not a "Commissioned Officer". I will say though as a Warrant my buddies and I got some great treatment at Norfolk Navy Base. By the way, Once you reach CW2 you are commissioned. So this goes down on the senior NCO's along with Basic Training and AIT. The better one is trained the better off the military as a whole is and will be for future generations.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2019 9:23 AM

2019-04-17T09:23:02-04:00

I feel that regulation should be updated and have no saluting among Warrant Officers, i.e WO1 wouldn't salute a CW3, except for CW5s. But until the regulations change everyone should abide by them as they are.

Response by SPC Donald Donovan made May 5 at 2019 3:13 PM

2019-05-05T15:13:43-04:00

True, A warrant officer does not have a commission but DOES have a warrant. He/she is entitled toss all due military courtesy including being saluted by enlisted and NCO’s. Unless things have changed since I was enlisted, this should be a no brainer.

Response by MSgt Robert Brady made Jun 4 at 2019 7:28 PM

2019-06-04T19:28:21-04:00

IMO you are saluting the Rank. Not the person. Yes you must salute Warrant Officers.

Response by Cpl Mark Oresko made Jun 8 at 2019 4:08 AM

2019-06-08T04:08:37-04:00

Just a heads up but I don’t know the actual answer to this, but I have an answer.
1.) Marines aren’t that intelligent to honestly know this information.
2.) If these Marines were wrong and managed to dupe you, then they’ve made up for in bearing where they lack integrity.
D.) My answer is and will always be when in doubt, flip it out!
Seriously, I would salute enlisted and they always threw one back at me. I’d rather apologize for giving a staff sgt a boner, than apologize for taking one away from a warrant officer. Just being real.

Response by CWO4 John Powe made Jun 24 at 2019 12:54 PM

2019-06-24T12:54:44-04:00

In the Navy CWO's are saluted. My story about being a Warrant was the day I was commissioned. The Navy commissions to CWO 2 and when I was in you had to be a E-8 w/ 12 years to be selected. I was aboard the USS Forrestal. After I was commissioned, I headed toward the Quarterdeck unfortunately I went via the hanger deck, and in port the hanger deck is treated as a salute required area...i.e... you have to wear a cover. As an E-8 I hadn't really given much thought about it, but as the newly commissioned CWO 2 about half way across the hanger deck I realized my mistake. The hanger deck was full of people and at least 50 salutes later I arrived at the Quarterdeck much wiser. I decided that I wouldn't make that mistake again, and for the next 17 years and 3 carriers I didn't.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jun 25 at 2019 9:32 AM

2019-06-25T09:32:56-04:00

OOOOOKAY seeing how much of what I see here is speculation I wanted to add to this mess with some of the info explained to us junior space cadets back years ago. According to a Drill Sgt. that I had in BCT a Warrant Officer Was NOT a commissioned officer in the True sense However it took Congressional approval to be Warrant Officer (who as I might add worked directly for congress through the United States Military), They were and still remain experts in their Field. Back in the day Warrant's Could not be busted down in rank under traditional Methods, but required an act of Congress to make that happen. Saluting yes we were told you saluted Warrant Officers Many would grumble when having to return a Salute, but in their title they were Officers and regulations said Officers would be saluted. Not hard for a young Soldier to understand.
Now as time went by some of that changed. But the Salute is not one of the things that changed. Now as a (somedays Salty NCO) if it was between saluting a Warrant Officer or and O-1 I would salute the Warrant Officer because in most cases O-1's are still in training however the regulations don't allow for that. Not Disrespecting O-1's just saying they are for most intensive purpose in training. After years in the ARMY and working with Officers of all levels and evaluating what it means to be a professional I decided the it is unimportant what they have as a title a Salute is a show of respect for the Rank and not the person individually. I have Saluted Soldiers with a much lower E-grade than me because they Were awarded a Purple Heart or CMO,Again the E/O-grade does not matter at this point. This has been long enough so not to bore everyone I will end it, Just be advised that the History alone of Warrant Officers and Officers in my humble opinion justifies a Salute given willingly and without whining (still think O-1's should Salute a SGM and above). LOL
Have a great day.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2019 4:36 PM

2019-07-05T16:36:48-04:00

Of course you salute a Warrant Officer, they are officers (and CW2s and above are even commissioned the same a regular officers). It is true that some Warrants do not salute other warrants because they may know each other, or a Warrant has specifically asked an enlisted Solider he/she works with not to salute them, but these are "non-official" exceptions, not the rule. There are also a large number of aviator/pilot warrants, and obviously, you don't salute/wear a cover on a flight line. So these circumstances may be where some younger Soldiers get these false impressions of never saluting a warrant. Personally, when my agents see me in uniform, I don't have them salute me, but they are all mature enough to still do so when there are others around as to not perpetuate that false idea of not respecting officers of any rank. Bottom line, whoever told your brother-in-law that is absolutely wrong and should be corrected.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2019 2:07 AM

2019-07-13T02:07:12-04:00

In response to your brother in law who’s serving in the Marine Corps as a Warrant Officer, I would just recommend that if the next time this happens figure out who’s he’s talking with and get his Senior Enlisted involved.

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Jul 13 at 2019 10:51 AM

2019-07-13T10:51:30-04:00

Considering the equivalent ranks........not saluting should bring the wrath of God.... especially a CWO5. He out ranked them should have found out their unit and 1SG

Response by SPC W. Neil Cantor made Jul 13 at 2019 11:54 AM

2019-07-13T11:54:09-04:00

Salute anyone that's NOT ENLISTED! That's the way to stay out of trouble. I served early 70s and the DIs stated this.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Jul 21 at 2019 4:42 PM

2019-07-21T16:42:56-04:00

LOL... I'm gonna take a guess that they didn't recognize the Marine version of WO rank - it's a little different. Someone simply came up with a quick dumb response to the Marine WO.

Response by PO2 Seth Carron made Dec 30 at 2019 2:37 PM

2019-12-30T14:37:58-05:00

All warrant officers are to be saluted regardless of branch. Just because they don't have a commission doesn't mean they're not an officer. They derive their authority from a warrant, hence the title.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2019 5:10 PM

2019-12-30T17:10:18-05:00

Let me tell you something.

If I ever walked by anyone not saluting a Marine Warrant Officer, I would find the closest CSM and ask he or she to destroy everything good that had ever happened to those disrespectful kids.

Marine warrants are unicorns. They're beautiful, and perfect.

Response by PO2 Frank E Schneller made Dec 31 at 2019 4:54 AM

2019-12-31T04:54:34-05:00

My Father is a retired CW3 and you wouldn't have wanted to be on the receiving end of one of his butt chewings lol I'm probably one of the few kids growing up that wished they where spanked.

Response by SGT James Belcher made Jan 1 at 2020 4:15 PM

2020-01-01T16:15:34-05:00

Fresh out of basic had never seen a WO...failed ot salute. He called me over and asked me what my problem was...the dumbfounded look saved me. He explained the regulation and the told me to not mess up again. I didn't.

Response by SGT Ron Egan made Jan 2 at 2020 10:43 PM

2020-01-02T22:43:17-05:00

From Bars to Stars, and everything in between, salute it. If it doesn't move, paint it.

Response by CPT Derek Wren made May 10 at 2020 5:36 PM

2020-05-10T17:36:51-04:00

Quite honestly to hear that response from the enlisted soldier, I would be floored and even though unnecessary, would ask to whom they belong to. In my 15 years of serving, I never once EVER did not salute a warrant officer whether they were a W-1 or W-5. If it shines, you salute it case closed. I too would like to know what days this marine warrant officer was on and what she was told we don’t salute warrant officers because there is a major breakdown in either communication or understanding at some point.
Warrant officers just as commissioned officers, have busted their asses for their rank and once becoming a W-2 are also seen as a commissioned officer and per regulation have the ability to command as a W-2 just as a commissioned officer would. What I’m getting at is these persons will in many times have either the same, double, or triple the amount of time in Service let alone time and grade that they have earned the right and privilege to be saluted.

Response by SPC Tim Grauer made Jun 16 at 2020 9:07 PM

2020-06-16T21:07:23-04:00

When I was in the army we never saluted warrant officers

Response by SGT Lawrence Marmora made Jun 17 at 2020 12:30 PM

2020-06-17T12:30:22-04:00

The only thing I really know about Warrant Officers is that if you get 5 CW4s together, and they place their coffee cups in the shape of a pentagram, they can summon a CW5.

Response by PFC Kenneth Anderson made Jun 17 at 2020 1:14 PM

2020-06-17T13:14:58-04:00

When I was In the Army, I was told, Out of curiosity, You would salute a Warrant Officer!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2020 3:03 PM

2020-12-06T15:03:21-05:00

At Gordon now and idk if it's something like the AIT students haven't earned the right to salute yet or anything but they walk by, give a greeting, but don't salute. Permanent party all salute, as well as the sister service, but anyone wearing the plain ole ARMY patch that is E4 and below don't.
Actually a couple times already I've noticed Soldiers going out of their way TO salute. Dropped to-go lunches, diverting closer to ensure min 6 step distance, it's a little humorous to see a salad go flying as some Soldier throws their hand up. We help em collect themselves and remind them it's ok if their hands are full or something.

Now, I don't really mind as 1) I'm still getting used to this whole "being saluted" thing, and 2) in my experience (as an enlisted Soldier) the person you salute the least is the one you work most directly for. An occasional Soldier missing a salute for the next to invisible W1 rank, not a big deal. A Soldier who knows you and what your rank is...different story.

Granted I am a big proponent of "no hat, no salute zones" in areas where it's impractical, like motorpools, flight lines, conex yards, anywhere where a person is likely to have their hands full, there's an abundance of Officers and everyone would be stuck with their hands up, or it's just ridiculous to put a hat on for 17 steps and take it back off.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Feb 27 at 2021 10:25 PM

2021-02-27T22:25:40-05:00

I am a 32 year member of the ARNG. Never once in my career have I heard or witnessed an enlisted not saluting warrant officers. While it is true that we have a closer relationship with warrants then in the regular services we still call them.sir or chief and we always salute. Had I EVER caught an enlisted not saluting I would have performed an on the spot correction and moved on. To suggest this is a systemic problem in the Guard is both false and insulting.

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Aug 6 at 2021 5:56 PM

2021-08-06T17:56:44-04:00

You salute all commissioned and warrant officers of any rank unless you are of a higher rank… simple and it’s in the regs