I was made to get out and I have only 1 year to retire. A SFC was messing around with my wife and I was told to keep quiet. Any advice?

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Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 2:26 AM

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How were you "made" to get out?
Doing so has permanent consequences.
A little detail could guide our advice, SSG Robert Cable

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Nov 1 at 2015 2:36 AM

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SSG Robert Cable Please let us know more. There are a lot of us who have been through a lot of troubles, in and out of the Military. With a little more information I'm sure many would be glad to help. If you will reply, I can give you my number so you can call me, if you'd like.

Response by PVT Ryan P. Quirk made Nov 1 at 2015 2:57 AM

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Request an appeal to remain in or ask for an early retirement.. As per your wife is concerned. We all have an opinion.. If things are cool. Great. If there is still any chance of an issue with her and the other guy. Cut Bait and move on. It sucks but a lot of us have been there.. But not knowing you or your wife. I hope things work out.. Good luck..

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 11:00 AM

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Who told you to keep quiet? Is the fact that you were forced out related to this mishap with your wife and this NCO?

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 11:46 AM

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What documentation do you have? If none I would think you are probably spinning your wheels.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 2:37 PM

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JAG, IG, local newspaper/station.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 1 at 2015 6:45 PM

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What's that term, not safe harbor, it is for preserving your right to retire when you have lots of years. Do you expect to get some disability and how much?

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Nov 1 at 2015 8:52 PM

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Have you spoken to JAG and/or contacted your congressman? You may need to hire a civilian lawyer familiar with the UCMJ.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 1 at 2015 9:13 PM

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If this was an OPORD a sufficient SITUATION is missing which impacts the MISSION.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2015 9:15 PM

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If your chain of command is advising you to be quiet, go to the IG, possibly the EO rep. If what you posted is true, it's unacceptable and needs to be reported ASAP.

Response by SPC Al Potter made Nov 2 at 2015 6:00 PM

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Had a Full Bird colonel tell me that having my boots highly shined was more important than turning wrenches on my Chinook at Ft Campbell , I looked him right in the Eye and said , With all due respect Sir Remove your headgear and GTFO of my Bird and off my flight line , The very next day I had a choice and the other did not sound appealing at all

Response by SFC Kingsley Adams made Nov 2 at 2015 7:25 PM

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Where does sanctuary fit in here? I thought you are 'untouchable' once you hit your 18 years.

Response by SSG Robert Cable made Nov 3 at 2015 7:13 AM

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what is the question

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 11:16 AM

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Can't Sfc end up in Leavenworth for that?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 11:29 AM

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Have you tried CID?

Response by SGT Justyn Riley made Sep 15 at 2016 11:46 AM

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they will get there karma one day just be patient!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 5:10 PM

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Shoot him.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 6:08 PM

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I thought once you were at 19 years you were pretty much "safe" from getting the boot unless you totally effed up

Response by SSG Wendell Morsell made Sep 16 at 2016 8:47 PM

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I'm betting there is a clear difference between what you feel you've been kick out for verses what the Army is saying you got kicked out for because your situation sounds really crazy for them to state that.

Response by CPL Jon McMillen made Oct 25 at 2016 3:56 AM

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Why would you keep quiet? If you made it to SSG and don't know when/where to go outside of your CoC in a situation like this you really must not have paid any attention. If your CoC is involved in covering up adultery, which is against the UCMJ, the IG office I'm sure would like to know. Somehow I think there is more to the story than you are saying

Response by SFC Richard Caroll made Oct 25 at 2016 5:35 AM

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You also said that you have a 40% disability, so it appears you were medically discharged....

Response by MSgt Chris Chambre made Oct 25 at 2016 6:44 AM

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Sounds like BS! To even think that being told to be quite is an option indicates a severe level of submission. An aluminum bat to the knees a in a dark parking lot is much more of an appropriate response.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 8:30 AM

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BRAh...DONT BE NO PUNK>>>NEVER BE A PUNK

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 10:42 AM

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Someone messes with my family regardless of rank, their career is in the shitter and whatever else i can bury them with. If you have proof, solid proof then you can bury him. If your out now then take it to JAG and bury him. If your still in you can do worse.

Response by PO1 Ricardo Deluna made Oct 25 at 2016 10:48 AM

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IG, Chaplain, SMAJ, XO, CO, etc...

Response by 1SG Larry Taggart made Oct 25 at 2016 11:38 AM

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SSG Cable,
Under what chapter where you discharged for. That is the biggest piece of Information that is not mentioned here. Again what is your intentions? Do you seek revenge? Reentry to the Army? Or early retirement? I must tell you if you wish reentry into the Army that is going to be next to nill. As I guess that under the draw down that the Army is not taking many if any prior service enlistments. and most likely your reentry code on your DD-214 is most likely a 3 or 4 if so you can cancel Christmas on trying to get back in. But if you are seeking other plans like seeking retribution on the SFC than your questions are best served with a Civilian lawyer schooled in Military law/regulations not here on Rally point. don't waste your time talking to a Jag lawyer as there duties are to protect the military against law suits. Good luck.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Oct 25 at 2016 11:51 AM

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A lot of soldiers forced out for various and sundry reasons, joined the reserves or National Guard. You do keep your benefits, but the downside, is that you have to wait until you are 60 to get them.

In your shoes, I'd pay a visit to the legal office, and to the personnel office. I knew a SSG, who was being forced out of the reserves with 19 years, 11 months, and 14 days of creditable service, on a medical. The reserves didn't like it that he underwent triple coronary artery bypass surgery.

He told me that he found a LTC in personnel to help him out, and between the two of them, they buried the Army Reserve Personnel Center under paperwork, requests, appeals, and board appearances for six years. Meanwhile, the guy "drilled for points," took correspondence courses, and secured enough points to come up with close to 25 years of creditable service, and was able to claim retirement at 60.

Response by MSG Jason Stratton made Oct 25 at 2016 12:18 PM

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Kick your girl to the street, if she did that with you she will do that to him.

Response by SSG Bob Epperson made Oct 25 at 2016 12:23 PM

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Who told you to be quiet? Your career shot down with only a year to retirement. Someone steals your wife. SCREAM LIKE A RAPED APE!!!
When I was in, back in the 70's, backdooring someone else's wife, if you had proof and they got caught, it was a courts martial offense. Now, I understand from a recently ETS's individual, you are put out of the Army with a bad conduct discharge. And you don't have to have all the proof that used to be required. Caught is automatic discharge.
Again, it doesn't matter who told you to keep quiet. I would be beating down JAG's door and eating cheese on them, BIG TIME!

Response by SSG Isiash Mcculler made Oct 25 at 2016 1:20 PM

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When you right you never stop fighting, I would have fought all the way to the White House. I had a friend to get kick out with twelve years in service with no military justice in his records the best soldier in the army it took over twenty years o convince him to fight it. His case is now in front of Ash Carter.
Bad thing when a soldier lose the will to fight. A winner will never quiet

Response by MSG Jerald J. made Oct 25 at 2016 1:21 PM

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So I've looked through the comments and replies and I must say, this whole thing doesn't pass the sniff test.

Response by LTC Seymour Vladimer made Oct 25 at 2016 1:38 PM

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Get an attorney who is a veteran. Take to federal court.,need funds try crowd funding.

Response by SGT Gus Pros made Oct 25 at 2016 1:41 PM

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I hope it works out for you. There are Numerous ways to go at this. But before you do make sure you have your ducks in a row or the machine will eat you alive. I.G. would have been my first go. Because if that SFC did what you said and you have solid proof then the machine will eat him alive. No one soldier is above the UCMJ. Even though there are those out there that believe they are.

Response by PO1 Stuart Davis made Oct 25 at 2016 1:56 PM

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You are pretty much bullet proof at that stage of a career. You have to do something to get tossed out Prior to 20. The adulterous affair isn't the reason. You're leaving something out.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 2:01 PM

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Your crazy...sounds like a jacked up story and full of BS

Response by SFC Erich Orrick made Oct 25 at 2016 2:02 PM

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Something doesn't add up. Forced to Get out at 19 years isn't easy and it takes more than a SFC to do that. At 18 everyone is Gfered. Need more info

Response by 1SG Larry Taggart made Oct 25 at 2016 2:04 PM

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SSG Cable, just because you were Chaptered out and received an honorable discharge does not say much for your issue. a Large amount of soldiers are chaptered out and still receive a Honorable discharge. I have to tell you with out knowing the sum of your documentation your position on being able to get a retirement 24yrs after the fact is almost Nil. I would be hard pressed to say that any lawyer schooled in the UCMJ arena would ever take your case. But if you chose to continue you Must get in contact with a civilian lawyer who understand the Military UCMJ/Chapter. Getting in contact with IG/Jag or other means is a waste of your efforts and may wind up giving you bad info. This is going to cost you money as you will have to retain a lawyer and it is going to take quite some time. because even a congressional investigation would not help you as all the Army needs to do is provide them a copy of your discharge/chapter paperwork and their investigation is closed. But bottom line is you need to understand what the Army chaptered you out under and find out if this is something that can be overcome until then you are wasting your time. you have been asked numerous time what was your discharge for but all you come back with is that you were honorably discharged. get honest with yourself because if you wish to continue with this you need to be. Good Luck

Response by SFC Brady Gilkerson made Oct 25 at 2016 2:16 PM

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It would be difficult to advice on this situation without more information. You are speaking in generalities with no substance to your statements. Why were you discharged? Was your enlistement up? Did you get discharged medically? Were you QMP'd? What are the circumstances surrounding your wife leaving you? How did this SFC and your ex-wife become acquainted? Why did your Commander tell you to keep quiet? What or how did he threaten you? How were you "forced" out? How many years of service did you have at the time of your discharge? If you can not adequately answer these questions then you probably don't have much of a chance. If you can answer these questions then you may have a chance all be it slight

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 3:32 PM

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Do these to things go hand in hand? How were you "forced" out (chapter, QMP, etc). Last time I checked a SFC messing with your wife is wrong, but has no bearing on the Army's decision to retain you or not.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 3:32 PM

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I'm with everyone else... need more information to give you any good advice.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 3:43 PM

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"Kicked out under honorable discharge" = Im not telling you the dirt I did and am deflecting to something else unrelated.

Nothing to see here, moving on.

Response by PFC Daniel Salb made Oct 25 at 2016 4:11 PM

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that SSG Cable would rather vent about what he believes happened rather than putting it on the line so to speak so that those that might be able to give advice have enough information can respond with intelligent advice.
My boss and wife cheated on me and my boss made me leave the army means nothing. SSG Cable by his rank and mos appears to be capable enough to be better able to describe the events as they really happened

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 4:23 PM

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Put his name on blast on here. What do you have to loose.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Oct 25 at 2016 4:47 PM

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This whole thing stinks if true. It takes two to tangle...if not then she should be calling the MP's/police. May I remind U that U are a SSG man up and do something vs. talking about it on Rally Point. Go thru ur chain of command, IG, Chaplin something come on man......................

Response by 1LT James (Jimmy) Sprouse made Oct 25 at 2016 4:50 PM

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I had a 1LT who was scewing his Platoon Sergeant's wife. They kept it quiet until the 1LT(P) left for FAOC with the Sergeant's wife. Chain of command did nothing about it.

Response by 1SG Leon Espe made Oct 25 at 2016 5:00 PM

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If anyone is messing around with your wife it usually means she was doing a little messing around herself. Don't blame the other man for your Wife's adultery, blame her and act accordingly.

Response by MSG Donald Bedford made Oct 25 at 2016 5:50 PM

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I think there is more to this than what you are telling.

Response by SFC Mike Archer made Oct 25 at 2016 6:00 PM

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As an NCO who I am guessing has been in 19 years I would imagine that you should already know the answer to your own question. If you got out instead of retirement then there's more to your story then your simple 2 sentences. If the command gave you an order to keep quiet then that's beyond a unlawful command. You should've reported it to CID, IG, even EO. And if you are already out, it's 99 percent unlikely that you could come back in. Depends on what you got out early for, ETS or UCMJ, and what your RE Code on your DD 214 states. Only last thing I can tell you now with regards to your wife and the SFC is to calll and talk to CID. Good luck.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 6:57 PM

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What? That doesn't even make sense. Are U a reservist or something? U could've circumvented your chain of command on this one and gone to IG or EO or fuck your LTC or COL or even the first general officer in your chain of command.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 7:13 PM

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Tell you what, you give me the rest of the information and I will bring 26 years of experience to bear on answering your question. Keep a few things in mind, first and foremost, there is a difference between causation and correlation. He obviously cannot put you out of the Army by himself, and obviously not because of her adultery. He may be doing your wife, and that is a sad situation and has it's own remedy. A single E7 has little power in the Army as far as removing you. If he taped you and didn't cut you any slack, then made sure you were flagged, then you got a bad NCOER for being flagged and you got QMPd for it, he may have had ulterior motives or motivations, but YOU put yourself out of the Army. Same for PT tests, indiscipline or anything else you are not mentioning in your original question. So my advice before I hear the rest of this, deal with the reason you are being forced out first. If you choose to pursue him for violating the UCMJ, have at it. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are not directly related to each other.

Response by SGT Casey Lovell made Oct 25 at 2016 7:41 PM

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Shit, SSG, don't get quiet, get even. Take it higher - somebody up there'll have some brains and an inclination to massacre toxic leadership. It's your responsibility to unfuck this.

Response by Sgt Shawn Billiot made Oct 25 at 2016 8:13 PM

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I can't talk for anyone because everyone has their own reasons. Me, since I was getting out anyway, I would have told whoever it was too shush me to "go Fuck yourself". Then, I would have gone to my wife and said, "are you stuck on dumb? Get your nasty cum dumpster the Fuck outta here!"

Response by LCpl Jaime N. made Oct 25 at 2016 8:21 PM

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I don't think it is that uncommon for infidelity to be ignored. When i was in, my "husband" and i were both stationed on opposite coasts. As we waited reassignment to be closer to each other, he found a new lady, knocked her up, moved in with her AND wed her all the while being married to me. His admin even changed his spouse in his records to her without proof of a divorce from me and he was given his housing allotment and pay increase for a civilian dependent. I tried to press charges against him for adultery, fraud, and conduct unbecoming, and I was told that it was up to his command on if he would be penalized for it. My sgt mjr called his sgt mjr and was told that he was a great Marine and they weren't going to ruin his career over some bitch. I was like a punch to the stomach to hear a sgt mjr talk like about a Lcpl female Marine that he had never met. My sgt mjr was shocked by it all too and told me he didn't care who i dated from that point on. Almost 5 years later, i finally got a divorce from him. He believed that if he just denied the marriage, then it didn't happen, so he refused to sign the paperwork for the divorce.

Response by SFC Luis (Coolwhip) Ochoa made Oct 25 at 2016 8:26 PM

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Here my advice, tell the whole fucking story plz!
Sounds like Bullshit to me!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 9:31 PM

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U got to be kidding. Is this a prank?

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 9:34 PM

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If you had poverty ten years of marriage, you could have done your twenty, med boarded and not owed her a dime. Once you med board you don't owe the spouse anything people don't know that though.

Response by SGT John Jenkins made Oct 25 at 2016 11:04 PM

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I'm pretty sure you have no options, seeing how you have been out since 1992, id say suck it up butter cup. Take some Motrin and drink some fucking water. What makes the green grass grow?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 11:31 PM

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If you can't hold on to your wife, maybe she is not your wife. However there are laws in the military. You can go all the way to congress if the chain of command is not doing their job. IG is the best way

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 11:52 PM

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Why would the wife be messing around. If she is gonna turn her back and screw someone else than leave her.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 11:53 PM

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Well first off, I would not keep quiet. Bring it up the chain until someone actually does something. Also, try and have proof of the affair as well as proof that they want to keep quiet.

Response by Sgt Marshall Byrne made Oct 26 at 2016 12:08 AM

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I would whip his ass once out of course screw him just another Jody that happens to be in the same branch as you he is no brother of your he a punk ass who aint shot

Response by PO1 Glenn Colby made Oct 26 at 2016 12:10 AM

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Is this SFC related to the Clinton's by chance?

Response by LT Shannon Dupont made Oct 26 at 2016 12:21 AM

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As a SSG, you should ask "WWBD?" B for Barnes in "Platoon". That SSG would not be whining on this forum. He'd have handled business. Ask Elias and Lt. Wolfe (who called a "fucked up fire mission")

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 12:44 AM

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Erm, pretty simple, dont keep quiet. Thats a violation of UCMJ, and anyone telling you to keep quiet is violating UCMJ as well. You should take higher counsel on that.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 1:06 AM

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I believe there is more to the story

Response by SPC Thomas Carroll made Oct 26 at 2016 1:14 AM

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Talk to a Officer or Congressional person. Adultery is against the UCMJ.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 4:00 AM

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I have never in my life met such a moron and a pushover for an NCO as I see here! With that being said I need you to step up and do something about it! Which could be IG, EO rep, Battery/Company CDR, or anyone higher in you CoC.

Response by SP5 Anthony Rozco made Oct 26 at 2016 4:18 AM

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He would have to rethink to threatened me, because I would have Barried my fist in his face.

Response by LTC Peter Hartman made Oct 26 at 2016 4:48 AM

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This is not advice- just a story from the past. As a JAG in part of a day of professional development and one of the speakers was a civilian who defended soldiers. One of his clients was an SOF NCO- SFC I believe. I forget the details- but a leader in his unit was having sex with his wife. He reported it. The command covered it up. He killed the offender. This lawyer claimed to have gotten his client off with article 15 level punishment.

But don't do that. Divorce the wife. There are lots of women out there that want love.

Response by CW3 Curtis Anderson made Oct 26 at 2016 5:19 AM

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There is more to this story if it happened at all...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 5:44 AM

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hey year from retirement? oh well, guess you'll have to survive on 2.5% less in you pension.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 6:52 AM

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From my understand of 27 years of service there is something you are not telling us, bexcuse once you get to 18 yrs outside of a major offense you are pretty much locked in for retirement, and how is it that with 19yrs in today's army you are only a E6. There is alot more to this story

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 7:21 AM

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What?... He did steal your wife bud, sorry she wanted to leave... He had a gun to your head and made you quite and retire...your excuses are lame... I know it was said that you never know what one is going through until your in his/her shoe.... But, man up son...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 8:13 AM

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I call bullshit. I call massive bullshit. Especially if this was recent. I know of a guy who, very unheard of, retired at the rank of E5. Due partly to rule changes (reenlisted while E5 promotable could be in for 20, before it changed back to a mac of 15 years for E5.) but mainly by having an ets date past his 18 year mark. 18 is the magic number, after that they have to let you retire.

Response by SSgt Mike Darty made Oct 26 at 2016 8:15 AM

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Grow a set and HANDLE BUSINESS

Response by SP6 Joseph Lane made Oct 26 at 2016 8:16 AM

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I have been out (retired) for almost 20 years so it may be different, barring some serious misconduct on your part, being forced out just 1 year shy of retirement is, or rather was quite impossible.
No one stole your wife. If she cheated she went voluntarily.
Nown if that SFC was having an affair with your wife and someone told you to be quiet about it and you are a SSG and don't know how to handle that,, or any of this it's no wonder it happened.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 8:31 AM

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Grow some balls!!! He's just a damn SFC not god. I don't give a damn if it was the Bridage commander. You find proof and bring the fucking house down. And divorce that whore or half your retirement will go to that SFC after she leaves you for him!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 8:44 AM

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If everything is the way you say then you being a SSG you should know to go to the IG

Response by PO2 Christopher Harvell made Oct 26 at 2016 9:14 AM

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Friendly fire isn't.

Response by MAJ Anthony Maravola made Oct 26 at 2016 10:20 AM

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That used to happen a lot back n the day. It usually ended up with someone getting punched or, if it got to official channels, a court martial.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 11:24 AM

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Wow, slot of comment. Slot of negative comments,but no direction. If what you say is true, the you should be sitting in your congressman office as they begin to investigate! Hope you get what ever justice your looking for.

Response by PO3 Tania Ongay made Oct 26 at 2016 11:37 AM

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Response by SSG John Jennett made Oct 26 at 2016 12:17 PM

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So, unless you did something that would warrant some serious disciplinary action there is no way they can force you out when you are at 19 years of Service. A SFC doesn't have the authority and besides if they wanted you out of the way it would be easier to transfer you to another command. I don't find this statement to be credible.

Response by SSgt Michael Bailey made Oct 26 at 2016 12:26 PM

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Does the Army not have sanctuary at 18 years like the Marines? You would have to do something really f'd up in the Corps to get booted at 19 years.

Response by SFC Dennis Graham made Oct 26 at 2016 12:37 PM

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First, you should thank him for helping you realize your wife isn't worth any more of you time. Second, go see the IG and file an official complaint against your entire CoC (assuming you had contacted them, up to the CSM and no one would do anything). If you are now out of the Army I hope you left your "EX" wife with the SFC. Join the Reserves or National Guard. Your 19 years still count and you can still get a retirement out of it. Good luck.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 1:08 PM

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Seems to me you should go ask your mommy what to do

Response by SFC Charles Kauffman made Oct 26 at 2016 2:16 PM

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Go to the IG. Make sure that you give them ALL of the facts, especially if your NCOER's reflect a sudden change in performance after the incident.
Don't lie to the IG. Expect your command to jack with you even harder. Expect to be flagged. If you can get an AR 15-6 investigation, you may be able to delay until you get your 20.

Response by SFC Steve Greene made Oct 26 at 2016 2:24 PM

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I Really find this Hard to Believe, I Don't care What Who told me to Keep Quiet, My Spouse,My RESPONSIBILITY. I'm BLANKET PARTYING,SOMEBODY.. There's 3 Things you DON'T Mess with me..1..My Wife, 2. MY Child (dren),3. MY MONEY...

Response by SGT Bruce King made Oct 26 at 2016 3:45 PM

2016-10-26T15:45:30-04:00

Pack her bags , and let him have her.You need to go to JAG and get some legal recommendations.

Response by SFC Cassandra Randolph made Oct 26 at 2016 4:51 PM

2016-10-26T16:51:59-04:00

First, you were a man before a SSG. How did they make you get out? How did you let that happen?You wife was not stolen, she went willingly. You should have gotten proof of the affair and divorced her for adultery and given proof to that SFC's Chain of Command. I would let everyone know what kind of whore I married.

Response by MAJ Wayne Sweeney made Oct 26 at 2016 4:57 PM

2016-10-26T16:57:21-04:00

I don't understand why you were made to leave the service, not as far as your wife and this SFC fooling around, I would of filed an IG complaint and filed divorce on my wife!

Response by Sgt Charles Reid made Oct 26 at 2016 5:04 PM

2016-10-26T17:04:03-04:00

Go to JAG fuck that back stabbeR

Response by SSG Sean Mcnaughton made Oct 26 at 2016 5:45 PM

2016-10-26T17:45:47-04:00

There has to be more to this story. And there is always someone higher to go to to get results. The wife if she can't be trusted cut the sling load on that one, there are more women and better ones out there. The SFC let the Army go to work on him and if they fail you may just have to roll up your sleeves and fix him yourself.

Response by TSgt David Hurst made Oct 26 at 2016 6:39 PM

2016-10-26T18:39:05-04:00

Report his ass to legal that will keep you in. SFC does not have enough rank to keep you out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 6:55 PM

2016-10-26T18:55:16-04:00

And this is why I can't take RallyPoint seriously anymore.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 7:04 PM

2016-10-26T19:04:03-04:00

A man is in violation of the UCMJ with your wife and you are keeping your mouth shut? WTH? Develop some backbone, and do what is right. He is also in violation of some intimidation and blackmail too. Integrity, you know one of the core competencies, means doing what is right. More to the story I am sure of it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 8:51 PM

2016-10-26T20:51:43-04:00

Need the full story

Response by MSgt Rupert Ellis made Oct 26 at 2016 9:58 PM

2016-10-26T21:58:38-04:00

Blame your wife, she accepted his advances..! Get rid of her....

Response by 1SG Michael Bennett made Oct 26 at 2016 9:59 PM

2016-10-26T21:59:43-04:00

Why are you only a SSG at 19 years! She probably deserved better turd! Get over it she was obviously a whore who never loved you!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 10:05 PM

2016-10-26T22:05:28-04:00

Why are you even asking for advise? For fxxk sake guy you do not need to hear it from anyone, your mind is set. However, you may want justification. K here goes, first of all, no one can make anyone do anything. You always have choices point blank. Second, fxxk yes, say something if your found out after the fact you submitted retirement. If you knew prior and did not say anything, then why now? You like him are no better, as far as morals. But anywho, who am I but a veteran. Do what is right for the right reason not for the wrong one. Best regards and chin up. Trust me it will get better. Take care of you first, your children if any.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 10:13 PM

2016-10-26T22:13:23-04:00

Just like everyone said, there is more to this than you are saying. And if by now you don't know how to follow your COC, wtf?! And past your COC, is IG, JAG, you can use another jag at a different post, navy, airforce.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 10:32 PM

2016-10-26T22:32:07-04:00

Wtf? This is some conspiracy crap! REPORT this right away and ready for divorce!

Response by SFC Darwyn Williams made Oct 26 at 2016 11:25 PM

2016-10-26T23:25:30-04:00

Yeeeaahhhh.... I'm going to have to go with the "not passing the sniff test" comment. Here's the thing: It's really hard for anyone to gage where your exact issue is by the little but pained comment you started this whole thing with. Yes I agree that there is definitely more going on than what meets the eye with this and as a Staff Sergeant I know that you should probably know better than to put yourself out there like this for the whole world to scrutinize your actions. If you're really having those type of issues and your CoC is really telling you to keep quiet about it (which makes no sense to me at all) there are way to many ways to get around that obstacle. Sorry but I just think that before you put this personal stuff out there you should have done some look in the mirror stuff and really asked yourself if you wanted the world to know your business.

Response by SPC Joseph Browne made Oct 27 at 2016 12:14 AM

2016-10-27T00:14:42-04:00

Take it up with your wife Staff Sgt

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 12:52 AM

2016-10-27T00:52:15-04:00

Fuck that i would personally touch SGM

Response by SFC David Hudson made Oct 27 at 2016 12:56 AM

2016-10-27T00:56:16-04:00

Of you were a "year out of retirement", you would have had 19 years in. After 18 years, short of a courts martial, nothing except a resignation could have kept you from getting your 20, thus retirement.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 1:02 AM

2016-10-27T01:02:43-04:00

Ok this is just my opinion so please take with a grain of salt if you will. What I feel you should do is first divorce your wife because obviously if you two can't work it out and would rather mess around on you then she doesn't deserve you. Second get not only legal but JAG or Area Defense Council (ADC in the Air Force) to help you fight this so that you can finish your enlistment, get a different unit and supervisor, and at least retire. If I need to clarify please let me know and I will try my best. Go see a chaplain because they can help you and will listen without divulging anything to anyone without your consent UNLESS you intend to harm yourself or others. You should also check into your support resources as well to keep yourself going and strong and stable. I hope this helps and I will keep you in my thoughts brother. Let me know how things go.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Oct 27 at 2016 1:34 AM

2016-10-27T01:34:48-04:00

No way. I would have taken it wherever I had to to get it corrected. I never tolerated improper conduct, outright UCMJ violations, and pushed as hard and as far as I had to in order to see corrective action happen. On one post, I was the root cause of the entire civilian timekeeping/time reporting system being overhauled. Was I a troublemaker? No. I made friends and established good contacts everywhere I went. Those who knew me loved and respected me. I was a SOLDIER. I didn't play politics.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Oct 27 at 2016 2:04 AM

2016-10-27T02:04:47-04:00

Advice? Yes, grow a pair and take the legal route to reinstate your active duty time and have the legal beagles draw up charges against the SFC and the chain of command who slipped you the fid.

Response by PFC Dan van der Wyk made Oct 27 at 2016 2:05 AM

2016-10-27T02:05:58-04:00

My soon to be ex shacked up with an airmen, I've reported this to my command and to multiple military agencies. Ucmj is a joke, rules don't apply. My name/former rank is pfc Daniel j van der wyk. The airmen is Kyle Baumann. My soon to be ex wife's name is Mai Sam Phai San-van der wyk. She left my two children and myself for dead to have an affair. If I beat his ass I would face jail and the loss of my two children permanently. Feel free to research it, my prior chain of command has my contact information as well.

Response by SFC Michael Lockwood made Oct 27 at 2016 4:06 AM

2016-10-27T04:06:40-04:00

Do what I did. Beat his ass! I had the same thing happen to me when I was stationed at Irwin, except my problem was a Warrant. I caught him off post and beat the piss out of him.
He accused me of attempted murder but San Bernardino County Sheriff said he saw it as a fight between 2 men and in most fights there is a winner and a loser.
On post I was recommended for a General Court Martial. Turned out the POS Captain doing the investigation was buds with the warrant.
My Bn Co and Bde Co said nope and I got off with a letter of reprimand with the original given to me. A month later I came down on 7 list.
Bottom line is don't be a pussy! If she was worth fighting for then man up! If she isn't then do it for the satisfaction!!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 5:07 AM

2016-10-27T05:07:30-04:00

Im wondering if you were past the generally saft 18 year untouchable safe zone, there must have been some very extreme circumstane that caused you to be put out... was it a chapter or what. Generally after you reach 18 years of service you are safe all the way to retirement. Seems as though there is some information we are not hearing.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 7:38 AM

2016-10-27T07:38:10-04:00

Yeah brother, grow a pair.....And face the music, if someone in your chain of command is advising you to keep quiet, you should call

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 8:24 AM

2016-10-27T08:24:28-04:00

Dude grow a set.. Your a SSG.. Really you don't know what to do?? Keep quite?????? Hmm, there must be more to this than what your telling..

Response by CPL Steve Davis made Oct 27 at 2016 8:50 AM

2016-10-27T08:50:27-04:00

There are many options for the alleged victim to have used, instead of remaining silent. An 18 year solider should know the system, so I'm inclined to believe this story, at least until there is more information to determine if true or not.

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Oct 27 at 2016 9:15 AM

2016-10-27T09:15:22-04:00

Yeah I'm calling Bullshit. I've seen the triangle many times. And someone usually ends up pretty banged up. Your leaving out some key points

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Oct 27 at 2016 9:29 AM

2016-10-27T09:29:40-04:00

What you have described is against the UCMJ. Certainly you are aware of channels to be used in order to resolve this without going public? In any case, seems you have served enough time to know what to do, so, get busy and remain focused and calm.

Response by SFC Gary Jones made Oct 27 at 2016 9:36 AM

2016-10-27T09:36:41-04:00

If they making u retire you gotta be a S----bag. Square yourself away and go win your woman and your job. That's what a real man does! Then dumb her after you have won her. CUse she ain't worth it.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 9:55 AM

2016-10-27T09:55:28-04:00

Let him have the slut and burn his ass through your command and if not go outside of your command.

Response by CSM Andrew Perrault made Nov 10 at 2016 4:32 PM

2016-11-10T16:32:13-05:00

My BS meter just went off not telling the whole story........a SSG with 18-19 years speaks volumes.....hummmmm......

Response by MAJ Anthony Maravola made Nov 17 at 2016 11:44 AM

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I am also throwing the BS flag on this one. How, exactly did "they" make you get out? Were you chaptered out? Court-martialed? Perhaps the Army has really changed since I retired and since my son was in. I saw LTCs, MAJs, CSMs, MSGs, etc. punished for fooling around with another servicemember's wife. Hell, a major that was a good friend, Infantry, had commanded a company of the Old Guard and well connected was court-martialed for the very same thing. So, what, exactly did you do to get yourself separated from service?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2017 6:06 PM

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Come join the reseves to finish your Army career and forget about her. There are more than 7 billion people on planet Earth, and many are available females.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Jul 23 at 2017 6:08 PM

2017-07-23T18:08:38-04:00

Forrest Gump is smarter than you.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jul 23 at 2017 6:14 PM

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Response by SSG James N. made Jul 23 at 2017 6:14 PM

2017-07-23T18:14:33-04:00

File adultery charges on his ass, and an IG complaint on anyone else who was involved in the cover up.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Jul 23 at 2017 6:19 PM

2017-07-23T18:19:57-04:00

I thought UCMJ kinda looks down on that thing? He would be the one out.

Response by SSG Kenneth Boyer made Jul 23 at 2017 6:20 PM

2017-07-23T18:20:58-04:00

Is this guy really in the army though? This sounds almost like a stolen valor story. One E7 alone isn't enough to make someone get out especially just a year away from retirement. We need the whole story before we jump to any conclusions or give any advice.

Response by LTC Jeff Snyder made Jul 23 at 2017 6:22 PM

2017-07-23T18:22:53-04:00

Tell your chain then whoop his ass tight after

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Jul 23 at 2017 6:24 PM

2017-07-23T18:24:43-04:00

This story has too many holes in it. Very unlikely.

Response by SGT Harold Rider made Jul 23 at 2017 6:37 PM

2017-07-23T18:37:40-04:00

My first point would be that it takes two people to "screw around." And the second is that I would aree with previous comments about going outside your COC. There is always someone, even your Chaplain..

Response by 1SG David Niles made Jul 23 at 2017 6:47 PM

2017-07-23T18:47:11-04:00

Nobody made you get out, unless you were rifled and if you were a year away they would have kept you to retire, two year rule, unless it was a dishonorable discharge. Think you need to explain more so that we can help

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2017 6:53 PM

2017-07-23T18:53:11-04:00

then you should announce it even louder.....shame them.....go to media how they turn their faces the other way

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2017 6:54 PM

2017-07-23T18:54:14-04:00

this is BS.....adultery is adultery period

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made Jul 23 at 2017 7:01 PM

2017-07-23T19:01:34-04:00

something's rotten in the State of Denmark...

Response by CPT Paul Dente made Jul 23 at 2017 7:05 PM

2017-07-23T19:05:39-04:00

Seems like a bit fabricated.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2017 9:01 PM

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You have no excuse. You should know better than this. You're basically locked in at 18 years. If you're that scared of an E7, you aren't much of an NCO, you're definitely not a leader, and you're certainly not a man. Grow a set, go blow this up to your command, and stop being emasculated.

Response by SGT Brent Scott made Jul 23 at 2017 9:23 PM

2017-07-23T21:23:52-04:00

I need to get my waders on to finish reading this, the ($&&!) is getting really deep

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 12:49 AM

2017-07-24T00:49:49-04:00

This clearly is fake

Response by SGT Jp Wiltinger made Jul 24 at 2017 2:43 AM

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3 Elements of Adultery under Article 134

Adultery is a crime punishable under Article 134, UCMJ. There are three elements that must be met to prove adultery existed. They are:

(1) That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain person;
(2) That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to someone else; and
(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Quite obviously, a senior NCO having an affair with a subordinate soldier's wife is the epitome of "to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces".
The best advice would be an immediate visit to JAG to pursue your options in filing charges, since obviously he wants you to "keep quiet" since it is really im, not you, who has the most to lose.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 6:06 AM

2017-07-24T06:06:03-04:00

There has to be more to this story. The SFC can be brought up on charges. It should be you forcing the SFC to get out. You were told to keep quite or what? That is another charge he can be brought up on as well. We need more information here. This does not add up to me.

Response by 1LT Tom Wilson made Jul 24 at 2017 8:26 AM

2017-07-24T08:26:07-04:00

Whoever told you to keep it quiet and the SFC engaged in a solicitation of adultry are both subject to the UCMJ. Among other things, it is an abuse of power.

Response by SFC Phillip Allen made Jul 24 at 2017 10:55 AM

2017-07-24T10:55:15-04:00

Use your outside CoC channels, if your CoC is part of the problem, that's why you have IG and Chaplain, or further up CoC. Don't let someone's rank bully you, I'm not gonna address the losing your wife issue, that's a personal thing and none of my business.

Response by MSgt Terry Mahan made Jul 24 at 2017 11:02 AM

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There has got to be more to the story. Something smells!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 3:52 PM

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How did they "make you get out"? If they are forcing you to leave, I'd be writing a country song about the SFC and your (hopefully) exwife and playing it twice a day when they raised and lowered the colors. Everyone would know she was a tramp and he was a philandering, honorless piece of shit who screws over his troops and screws the wives of unit members.

Response by Brooke Hone made Jul 24 at 2017 9:52 PM

2017-07-24T21:52:46-04:00

This is total bullshit, and I don't appreciate you using my sister and brother in laws picture for your lies.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jul 31 at 2017 12:40 AM

2017-07-31T00:40:45-04:00

Hmmm...

Response by Maj John Bell made Jul 31 at 2017 4:30 AM

2017-07-31T04:30:40-04:00

I am responding based on how it was, with no idea of how it is....

When I was in the Marine Corps, extra marital affairs with a service members spouse might (but probably not) get official tolerance if the guilty party was a LCpl or below, ONCE. As long as it was not within the chain of Command. But anyone else STFB for a short, bumpy ride that ended at the gate, discharge in hand. I even saw it catch up with an officer almost a year after a PCS move, (just about nine months, go figure).

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Aug 1 at 2017 3:47 PM

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I have read most of the post regarding this question. With one year or less until retirement and getting the boot seems like a VERY SEVERE punishment. He is either guilty of some malfeasance he is not sharing with us or his is the victim of a very unfair practice. I find it hard to believe that the military with force someone out that is so close to retirement without maximum probable cause. I note that our complainant is an E6 after nearly 20 years. That in itself seems odd. Maybe not. Just my observation based on very limited information. As many of you have said, there has to be more to the story. Where is Paul Harvey when we really need "...the rest of the story"?

Response by SFC James Himes made May 24 at 2020 12:20 PM

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I came close to that situation. Mine was a complicated issue. My wife was a GS7 in the Army National Guard. I was an E7 AGR in recruiting.
I was approached by the previous recruiting commander who had observed my work with the cadets in the Civil Air Patrol unit at the State HQ center. He convinced me I would be a great recruiter and already had a made base from the cadets there and my contacts with the local schools. While away at recruiting school they changed commanders. The new commander tried to pull a fast one which my wife, working in officer personal spotted and took to appropriate persons to have verified. New commander was pissed but couldn't touch her as a civilian so I became his target all of which I was unaware of because of being at school, where as usual I did above average. Got back and found I was assigned to a whole different area of the state away from my cadets and schools I had already formed a working relationship with. Long story short I got no support and it was a hellacious year and a half and then the commander started separation proceedings against me with 17 1/2 years in. I would have lost everything.
To my fortune there was a Colonel who I was friends with (we both had 'Nam experience) who found out and went to bat for me. He happened to be the state training officer and knew of my situation. He went to the chief of staff and explained my exemplary record of excellent school results and extremely high PT scores as well as my decorations and explained how the media would eat up the 'Guard "forcing" out such a soldier.
End results I took an "administrative" reduction in rank to E6 and was moved to a Mech Inf unit as a 11C in a mortar section and as the AGR full time admin clerk (another whole interesting strory). I was pretty much "persona-nongrata" with the officer ranks as that commander had spread a bunch of false hoods about my soldiering skills so there was not chance to continue on past my grade time limit for retirement. My rank was upped back to E7 at retirement. Would have loved to put in more and make SGM but guess that was not to be. I did get awarded the Meritorious Service Medal. (I was also one of only 900 soldiers in the history of the Ohio National Guard to be awarded the Ohio Cross - the states highest award)
I was told years later by some of the region NCOICs that the commander had marked me because my wife had ruined his unethical plans (of which I will not say here) for changing the command of the recruiting section. He couldn't touch the wife but he had me in the command. My reputation and record saved me because there were other ethical officers and senior NCOs that stood up for me.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2020 5:38 PM

2020-05-24T17:38:07-04:00

That makes no sense

Response by LCpl Mark Riley made May 24 at 2020 9:27 PM

2020-05-24T21:27:20-04:00

Don’t keep quiet go up the chain of command

Response by PO3 John Keas made May 23 at 2021 4:04 PM

2021-05-23T16:04:27-04:00

My own youth and temper. E6 and I didn't get along. He hated me from day 1 and feelings were pretty mutual. I put in for additional schooling to transfer off the ship. He sat on the paperwork, refused to send it, but somehow got me re-enlisted. 3 months later I find this out and instead of working it out, I chose to separate.

Response by SSG Duane Tyler made May 23 at 2021 4:35 PM

2021-05-23T16:35:33-04:00

Not even gonna ask what forces inside of you made you keep quiet. An ass kicking is in order and not for stealing your wife either.