If a Soldier gets put on a 6 month special duty (Honor Platoon) should an NCOER be done by that detail or just provide input?

2014-06-25T10:23:03-04:00

Please give your rational.

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Jun 25 at 2014 10:31 AM

2014-06-25T10:31:01-04:00

It is a detail and not a reassignment. The question comes down to who has command authority over the Soldier. The detail is just a detail and does not involve a PCS or even temporary orders. Also, because of the short duration and the highly specific nature of the detail, there is going to be a lack of quality quantifiable bullets to fill out the NCOER. In order to give the Soldier a more well rounded evaluation, the full range of duties over an entire year should be integrated into their evaluation of performance while on detail.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Jun 25 at 2014 10:34 AM

2014-06-25T10:34:06-04:00

I have my own answer but I am leaving it out for now because I want to see what everyone else's thoughts are.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2014 10:40 AM

2014-06-25T10:40:58-04:00

Unless a change of rater gets done prior to and after the detail, I see no reason to get a separate NCOER

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2014 10:42 AM

2014-06-25T10:42:32-04:00

For me it comes down to UCMJ authority. If it is a detail where the Rater or Sr Rater has little to no contact with the Soldier, then a letter of input is definitely warranted.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Jun 25 at 2014 10:42 AM

2014-06-25T10:42:54-04:00

If it's only a detail doesn't the NCO still technically report to his/her assigned unit? Is the unit still responsible for all administrative needs including NCOERs and what not?

The detail unit should provide some notes based on the Solider's performance but again, they would just be supporting bullets to the overall NCOER.

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Jun 25 at 2014 10:43 AM

2014-06-25T10:43:28-04:00

It would seem to me, much like the new OER system, that a letter of input is necessary and warranted or justified. I have been on these details before being the Soldier of the Year and stuff like that. The reward was 180 days off the road as a MP and placed in the Corps/post mail facility to work with the US postal folks. It was nice, but ultimately, a letter of input is something that works. Much the same as awards when changing units in the same battalion or brigade.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Jun 25 at 2014 10:43 AM

2014-06-25T10:43:51-04:00

Not 100% on the rules for NCOER, but if it follows the same rules as an OER, if he was in that job description for more than 90 days, that generates a rating.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2014 10:49 AM

2014-06-25T10:49:10-04:00

If the Honor Platoon will be the NCO's primary duty and differs from their normal duty, he would need a "Change of Duty" evaluation.

On the flip side, if the Honor Platoon is only an additional duty, it should then only be sited as such in the Annual/Change of Rater NCOER.

AR 623-3 3–43. “Change of Duty” report
a. A code 04, “Change of Duty” evaluation report, is mandatory when a rated Soldier is reassigned to a different principal duty while still serving under the same rater or when he or she is separated from Army service. The reason for submission will reflect the event that warranted the generation of an evaluation report (that is, change of duty, discharge, separation, or retirement). No evaluation report is submitted when organizational changes merely alter the rated Soldier’s principal duty title but do not change the type of work performed (for example, personnel management staff officer to Assistant G–1). A mandatory code 03, “Change of Rater” evaluation report, will be prepared when a change of duty also results in a change of rater (see para 3–40).
b. An evaluation report is mandatory when a rated Soldier is separated from active duty. It is important for raters and senior raters to identify on the final evaluation report any unique skills or talents a rated Soldier possesses on which the Army can capitalize in the future if the Soldier is recalled to active duty service or mobilized in the USAR or ARNG.
c. As an exception, retirement evaluation reports of less than 1 calendar year will be rendered at the option of the rater or senior rater, or when requested by the rated Soldier. Retirement evaluation reports that conclude a Soldier’s military career will have a “THRU” date that is the final day of supervision or last duty day before beginning transition leave or before retiring (if no transition leave will be taken). Rating official minimum time requirements apply.
d. When the rated Soldier is declared missing or becomes a prisoner or hostage, an OER or NCOER is required as of the date of the incident. Under these situations, rating official minimum time requirements do not apply. Evaluation reports will not be rendered on officers for periods during which they are missing, prisoners of war, or hostages. The effect, if any, of a Soldier’s status on other personnel actions, favorable or unfavorable (such as letters of commenda- tion or reprimand), and on actions under UCMJ will be governed by the laws and regulations pertaining to the particular action.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Jun 25 at 2014 10:50 AM

2014-06-25T10:50:40-04:00

So here's what I have found. AR 623-3 3-48 and 3-49 talks about temporary duty, special duty etc. It says in 3-48 if the duty is greater than 90 days then the NCO is due an evaluation. It also says in table 3-1 that if greater than 90 days then the new supervisor is to do an eval. It also states that letter's of input are only to be provided for details less the 90 days.
SO to me that means Im supposed to do an eval before he leaves and he is also supposed to get one from the 6 month detail.

Response by MSG Martin C. made Jun 25 at 2014 11:05 AM

2014-06-25T11:05:06-04:00

Letter of continuation should be initiated before and after to capture what the Soldier did during the detail. Also ensuring the initial and quarterly counseling’s were done on time it should be no problem capturing the whole picture.

Response by MSG Jason Sikes made Jun 25 at 2014 12:04 PM

2014-06-25T12:04:13-04:00

Is the Soldier E-4 and below or an NCO? If counseled, then the Soldier (NCO) and the detail will know before everything begins, what is expected from each party. But, the first-line should be checking on their Soldier to see if there are any issues that his Soldier or the detail NCOIC may have.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2014 1:14 PM

2014-06-25T13:14:07-04:00

SPC Private RallyPoint Member and SSG Robert Burns have nailed it. If this is an NCO and as stated the duty is longer than 90 days, he will get an eval for this time. While others have made good points, regulation dictates what "should" be done. As an S1, I routinely counseled others on what the reg states. Ultimately, people make their own choices.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Jun 25 at 2014 8:26 PM

2014-06-25T20:26:59-04:00

These are the kinds of questions that I like to ask, because as you can see by the results from all ranks; the answers are varied and different.
Good professional development at this "Rally Point."

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Jun 26 at 2014 2:07 PM

2014-06-26T14:07:18-04:00

for most, i would just have input provided, but my real answer is which ever is best for the leader and the Army. NCOER's are about building and rewarding the leader with proper credit and protecting the Army from failures, if the rating period can be adjusted to better represent that i feel it should be.