If a soldier got an summarized Article 15 when he was a SPC. Will the SFC promotion board see it?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:02:10 -0400

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 1:07 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:07:39 -0400

I believe in most cases it goes into your restricted file. However if a letter of reprimand is involved the board will see that. You can however request that also be moved to your restricted file after a year.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 1:08 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:08:37 -0400

I think they only see field grades, brother. Local company grades go away when you pecs.

Response by SSG Eric Lindsay made Jul 13 at 2015 1:27 AM

SSG Eric Lindsay — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:27:11 -0400

Don't worry about one summarized art 15 as long as your NCOER's are straight that's what they're really looking at.( as long as the art wasn't too crazy shouldn't be since it was only a summarized)

Response by CPT Christopher F. made Jul 13 at 2015 1:42 AM

CPT Christopher F. — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:42:37 -0400

It shouldn't affect you. If you really worried about it, check your iPerms to see if it is in there. The board can only see things that are in your iPerms.

Usually, only AR15's for SGTs and higher get placed into either the performance or the restricted file in iPerms.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 2:07 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 02:07:04 -0400

A summarized article 15 does not go anywhere. No permanent record, nothing on your ompf. Once you leave the unit, it no longer exists. It's a glorified counseling statement

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Jul 13 at 2015 2:20 AM

CSM Michael J. Uhlig — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 02:20:04 -0400

No, it will not be seen.....Company Grade UCMJ and above as a NCO can be though....look at your OMPF

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 2:40 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 02:40:29 -0400

Nope. Nothing is filed in restricted or performance fische until they become an NCO. That means there Scott free if they messed up from pvt-spc.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 2:45 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 02:45:43 -0400

Response by SSG Eric Trace made Jul 13 at 2015 3:57 AM

SSG Eric Trace — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 03:57:02 -0400

No it will not follow you to your E7 board. As long as your NCOERS are good no issues.

Response by SSG Melvin Nulph made Jul 13 at 2015 5:41 AM

SSG Melvin Nulph — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:41:30 -0400

JAG is the best place to get the answer's to questions such as this "right from the our subject matter exsperts or masters of their traid". For an E4 & below they are the worst punishment you can get that doesn't follow you once you leave the unit. I am not sure once you become an NCO because I learned to have an honest witness to most of the situations that came back to bite me as a younger (hot head) soldier. Glad yours was at the rank of SPC also.
You may want to stop by JAG on your time off and build a positive relationship with them. I did at every Post/Camp I was stationed and was surprised when most NCO's avoided the place like a plage they helped me become a better councilor to not only prevent members from getting out of corrective actions & punishment that was earned, but also to make sure I had all my AR's, FM's & DA-PAMs right for positive councillings also for things like promotions from E2-E5, additional duties and so on. Something I believe the Military needs more NCO's that do. Nothing can make you feel lower than when a soldier has earned any type of punishment and your councilling isn't properly done and you allowed them to beat the system because of it. Think about it when our leaders in the NCO Support Channel uses them "we can not go wrong", to learn all the things they can do with/for us as an Sgt and above before we have to have them.
Hope this helps you and you go see them to better yourself "knowledge is power"...

Response by SSG James Passow made Jul 13 at 2015 8:04 AM

SSG James Passow — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:04:47 -0400

In the old army they did not, blacked out on the microfish. I have my copy

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 8:09 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:09:46 -0400

No, it was summarized

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 8:25 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 08:25:09 -0400

No, it does not go into ompf.

Response by SSG Jeremie Embrey made Jul 13 at 2015 11:10 AM

SSG Jeremie Embrey — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:10:55 -0400

Not sure how much it's changed since I got out. Summarized and Company Grade stay at the unit (disappears) and Field Grade goes straight to the restricted file (only 1, more than 1 you choose what's in restricted file).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 11:57 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:57:26 -0400

A summary Article 15 stays local, and is not put into a permanent file. Summary means prior to the actual article 15 being enforced. It leavrs once you PCS. Even an full article 15 can be vacated by the Article 15 approval authority, and removed from your permanent file.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 12:20 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:20:53 -0400

No. A Summarized is only for the local unit. It does not go into your jacket (or rather, it shouldn't).

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 4:01 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:01:22 -0400

Nope and that is why it is a powerful tool for the commander. It allows corrective action to remain at a low level.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 4:39 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:39:07 -0400

A company grade Art 15 will not go into your jacket at E4 and below, however, even if it was a "company level", if you were reduced, say E4 to E3, then the reduction orders can/will go into the admin portion of your OMPF....so it sort of does, summarized however should not be an issue, but who knows in this headhunting Army we're in now

Response by SSG Keith Roberson made Jul 13 at 2015 6:23 PM

SSG Keith Roberson — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:23:54 -0400

No...it stays in your company file and doesn't follow you through your senior NCO promotions.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 6:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:32:48 -0400

Unless something's changed, summarized article 15s don't follow you once you PCS.

Response by SSG Kyle Stromgren made Jul 14 at 2015 9:30 AM

SSG Kyle Stromgren — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:30:57 -0400

summerized ones are susposed to go away when you leave the unit.

Response by LTC Peter Hartman made Jul 14 at 2015 4:52 PM

LTC Peter Hartman — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:52:01 -0400

Summarize Art 15s are supposed to not leave the unit and be destroyed when you transfer out.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 5:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:09:00 -0400

Summarized don't follow past the unit you were in when you received it. Only Company grade and above follow you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 8:24 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:24:58 -0400

No.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 9:39 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:39:04 -0400

If you receive an article 15 at your unit, once you PCS from the unit it will not follow you to your next unit. It's local UCMJ.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 10:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:57:13 -0400

The article 15 itself will not be there but the effects of it might be. If you lost rank from it your dates might be off or questioned. Again that is based on how hard some one looks at the file, but i would not worry about it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 11:30 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:30:13 -0400

Those aren't a real thing. I mean they are... but not really.

Response by 1SG Hector A. Rivera made Jul 14 at 2015 11:32 PM

1SG Hector A. Rivera — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:32:07 -0400

Summarized Article 15 proceedings are local and the board will not see it. Company grades can be if the commander did not select for it to be restricted. BLUF, shouldn't be there. HOWEVER, there's are plenty of documents that end up where they shouldn't, have the Soldier check their OMPF to confirm. It can take up to a year to make corrections to a record.

Response by SSG Steve Isaacson made Jul 15 at 2015 4:46 PM

SSG Steve Isaacson — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:46:39 -0400

Yes they would it will help them decide

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2015 5:45 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:45:15 -0400

No, it stays locally at the company level.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2015 6:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 18:26:14 -0400

Was the Article 15 put into his files was it local Article 15 when the Soldier look into his/her IPERMS do they see it in there if so yes.

Response by SSG Dana Rabideau made Jul 15 at 2015 7:45 PM

SSG Dana Rabideau — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:45:29 -0400

yes they will even the stuff in your p file

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2015 8:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:16:56 -0400

No. It is not a part of his permanent OMPF file. If he/she were an NCO then yes they would because it would be a part of his permanent OMPF file.

Response by SSG Shawn Ireland made Jul 15 at 2015 9:45 PM

SSG Shawn Ireland — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 21:45:00 -0400

Yes.

Response by SSG Warren Armitage made Jul 15 at 2015 10:14 PM

SSG Warren Armitage — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:14:11 -0400

they could ask to see more of your records depending on what they see, they usually go back about 5 years at least while I was in but there was talk about them revamping the system so that if you had any blemish it could cost you. don't know if the ever did that though

Response by SSG Jerry Eidson made Jul 15 at 2015 10:53 PM

SSG Jerry Eidson — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:53:12 -0400

Nope, stays at the unit.

Response by SSG Douglass Mclain Jr. made Jul 16 at 2015 12:15 AM

SSG Douglass Mclain Jr. — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 00:15:27 -0400

Nope. It stays in the unit. Regs are that 1 year after you leave that unit your file is destroyed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2015 2:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:32:29 -0400

Field Grade Article 15's are the only thing that should follow you around and be in your permanent file. Company Grade's stay at that level and should not be in your permanent file.

Response by SSG Robert Cole made Jul 16 at 2015 5:34 PM

SSG Robert Cole — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:34:55 -0400

At one point in time ART-15's didn't matter. What mattered was you stuck it out and proved yourself. Sometimes it showed you had a pair. In 1981, my 1SG had 11 ART-!5's. But that has changed drastically. 1 Article -15 can destroy your career if the block for 'Permanent Record' was checked by the Commander. If the 90 block was checked, it's gone. However, after 5 years of service since the issue of the Article 15 has been completed with no derogatory counseling, you can have it removed from your restricted file. Go to JAG and enquire. It may have changed since I retired in 2011. The E-7 board reviews your MPRJ of it's physical contents, your DA Photo, blah blah blah. If your BDE CSM is behind you 100% you shouldn't have a problem. Just be open and honest about it, it was a mistake, you learned from it, blah blah blah...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2015 10:39 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:39:22 -0400

This is an interesting topic. When I was a Sergeant
(E-5) I received a Summarized Article 15 in Germany in either 2005 or 2006. Though the proceedings are not in my OMPF, the MFR for Disqualification for a AGCM is prominently displayed.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Landry made Aug 2 at 2015 3:55 PM

SSG Jeffrey Landry — Sun, 02 Aug 2015 15:55:09 -0400

yes they will. They go back ten years from your board. Now they also look at how you have progressed since then

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 11 at 2018 5:50 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:50:57 -0400

An UMCJ actions outside OSUT are written into your record for life! Yes they probably will see it.