If a soldier is on the Mandatory Integrated List, can they be removed without a bar? Can the local chain of command do anything about it?

2018-07-12T17:04:41-04:00

I just made the Mandatory Integrated List. However, my 1sg is saying it was an error even though I meets all the requirements when it comes to SSD, TIG, TIS, no Flag, no Bar, updated APFT and Wpns Qual. My 1SG says he’s going to remove it without a flag or bar. Im also PCSing in about a month.

Am I wrong in thinking that once a soldier is on the mandatory list, they cannot be removed from it with out a bar, also, that the local chain of command can’t do anything about it due to the fact that the mandatory list is for those soldiers who’s chain failed them in sending them to the board and provided no documentation as to why they haven’t been boarded (Flag, Bar, Counseling) which I have never received any of those?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 5:16 PM

2018-07-12T17:16:59-04:00

To my knowledge, unless it has changed, if you made rank via the MIL (or CIL as it used to be called) that is it. You have a date of rank and will be promoted. To prevent an elligible soldier from making being promoted via that menthod, the unit must have counseled the service member for "Non-Recommendation for Promotion" and then the S1 update the system. Speak with your S1 for clarity.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 9:50 PM

2018-07-12T21:50:58-04:00

It takes counseling statements to remove you from the MIL list from what I'm tracking. And no matter what, they can not backdate a counseling. If they try to, deny it and go to IG and/or JAG.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2018 11:12 PM

2018-07-12T23:12:26-04:00

You may not be telling the whole story. But I say let it go for a month till you pcs. Maybe your 1sg will “forget”. Then when you check in to your new unit say hey sent me to alc, let me submit a promotion packet or go to the board. It’ll look good on you, especially if your new unit needs some fresh leaders.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2018 10:20 AM

2018-07-13T10:20:41-04:00

3–23. Department of the Army command list integration to sergeant and staff sergeant (Regular Army and U.S. Army Reserve (Active Guard Reserve), troop program unit, Army Reserve Element, multi-component commands or units only)
a. Each month, RA, USAR (AGR), and USAR (TPU, ARE, multi-component commands, or units) Soldiers will be automatically integrated (command list integration) onto the SGT and SSG promotion recommended lists when all of the following criteria are met despite lacking the actual promotion board appearance (RA) or consideration (USAR) as outlined below—
(1) To SGT—
(a) 47 months TIS (to become eligible for promotion at 48 months).
(b) 11 months TIG (to become eligible for promotion at 12 months).
(c) Otherwise not ineligible for recommendation in accordance with this regulation.
(d) Not otherwise denied by the CDR.
(e) Soldier must have a minimum of 90 days remaining service as of the month of integration onto the recommended list.
(f) Must be graduates of SSD level 1.
(2) To SSG—
(a) 83 months TIS (to become eligible for promotion at 84 months).
(b) 11 months TIG (to become eligible for promotion at 12 months).
(c) Must be graduates of SSD level 2.
(d) Otherwise eligible in accordance with this regulation.
(e) Not otherwise denied by the CDR.
(f) Soldier must have a minimum of 90 days remaining service as of the month of integration onto the recommended list; however, Soldiers must take action to meet the service remaining requirement for promotion if otherwise selected.
(g) Soldiers added to the promotion list under this paragraph will be rank ordered by DOR (earliest first). When DOR is the same BASD then date of birth (oldest first) will be used.
b. The unit CDR has the authority to deny integration onto the recommended list; however, the CDR must take action to do so. A unit CDR must act to deny list integration no later than the 19th (calendar day) of the month the Soldier’s name
52 AR 600–8–19 • 25 April 2017
is identified for command list integration. For RA Soldiers the BN HR must submit a ‘Deny Promotion List Auto Integra-tion’ transaction through eMILPO. Failure to submit the deny transaction will result in the Soldier being integrated onto the promotion recommended list. If the deny transaction is not submitted on time, requests to remove Soldiers from com-mand list integration must be signed by the promotion authority (LTC or above) and sent to HRC, Junior Enlisted Promo-tions, Promotions Branch (AHRC–PDV–PE), email [login to see] . The original Enlisted Promotion Report (AAA–294) with the CDR circling ‘No’ must be included. All Soldiers denied list integration will be counseled, in writing, in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 1–27 and the unit CDR must initiate a bar to continued servicement in accordance with AR 601–280.
c. All Soldiers command list integrated onto the SGT or SSG recommended list will—
(1) Have a current APFT or exception.
(2) Reside on the recommended list with 39 points for SGT and 14 points for SSG. No additional promotion points, regardless of qualifications or achievements are granted unless the Soldier goes through the formal board process.
(3) Be immediately removed from the recommended list when otherwise not eligible for list retention.
d. Soldiers added to the recommended list under this paragraph who desire to receive promotion points based on their actual accomplishments, in accordance with the procedures outlined in this chapter, must be recommended for promotion board appearance by their chain of command. Soldiers choosing to appear before a promotion board after command list integration will follow the procedures for initial board appearance listed in chapter 3 and 5.
e. To facilitate the leader development process for Soldiers who were previously denied DA directed promotion list integration, otherwise eligible Soldiers will reappear on the AAA–294 report the month following removal of the bar to continued servicement if removed by the 19th of the month in the appropriate system. If the unit fails to submit the bar to continued servicement, the Army will automatically reintegrate otherwise eligible Soldiers every 90 days following their previous denial for command list integration. Unit CDRs will take action to deny these quarterly integration efforts when Soldier’s performance counseling otherwise dictates.
f. The CDR must formally counsel all Soldiers denied command list integration, pointing out deficient areas for needed improvement to qualify for future promotion consideration.
g. Soldiers appearing before a promotion board, but not recommended for promotion, regardless of whether they were command list integrated, will be removed from the promotion recommended list and must reappear before a promotion board to regain promotable status.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2018 9:47 AM

2018-07-14T09:47:41-04:00

You could just go to the board since your so close... they might even let you go before you PCS...tell Top you want to "earn" it and he'd probably eat it up!

Response by CSM Eric Biggs made Jul 14 at 2018 10:25 AM

2018-07-14T10:25:54-04:00

My understanding of the Command Integrated List, is you have done the bear minimum required for E-5 or E-6. I have never been one to give anything to anyone who does just bearly enough. NCO’s are leaders why should I say you have what it takes to be a leader, if you are doing the just enough. That being said show you deserve the promotion. Go to the board and show initiative.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2019 2:29 PM

2019-07-09T14:29:51-04:00

Hey Im having the same exact issue with this. I have some questions with how you went through with it.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2020 3:50 PM

2020-01-27T15:50:06-05:00

Quick question, if you were once on the MLI and then let your APFT go over the required 1 year mark, can you get put back on the MLI once your APFT is taken and updated again? This happened to one of my Soliders that had a temp profile that was unable to take a record APFT before the 1 year mark and ultimately lost their "P" status because of that. Thanks in advance!