If I caught a military member wearing the wrong rank (he is an E-3 and I caught him not wearing any rank), what UCMJ would that fall under?

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Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 7:10 AM

2017-10-03T07:10:10-04:00

Did you ask him why he wasn't wearing any rank? Why is it that you are trying to "Blue Falcon" this person rather than help him get right? A good leader seeks to improve those around him or her, not punish them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 7:11 AM

2017-10-03T07:11:08-04:00

I don't think it falls under any.....send them home or to their room and get the rank. People make mistakes and things happen. I don't see why people rush to UCMJ so fast these days.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 8:02 AM

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According to Air Force clothing regulation, Para 5.1.1.2., AFI 36-2903, rank "WILL" to be worn on the uniform. So unless he secretly outranks the Lieutenant General who signed that regulation, he's a great candidate for Article 92(1), UCMJ, if he decides to push his luck with the Commander/1SG.

Reference:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/892

http://www.afpc.af.mil/Portals/70/documents/Home/AF%20Dress%20and%20Appearance/AFI%2036-2903.pdf?ver=2017-02-14-103340-597

10 U.S. Code § 892 - Art. 92. Failure to obey order or regulation

This is a list of parts within the Code of Federal Regulations for which this US Code section provides rulemaking authority.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 8:25 AM

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I'd be more curious about why an E-3 is trying to get another E-3 in trouble for not wearing rank. Does he owe you money or something?

As for not wearing rank, most units or posts have some "guidance" that rank must be worn. That said, there are all sorts of caveats and exceptions for when rank is not worn depending on that person's unit of assignment or the activities they are doing. The ones I can think of all involve "field" uniforms as some units are authorized to wear sterile uniforms, or some school environments where students also wear sterile uniforms. Pin on rank (I know, not an Air Force issue) is also removed for certain types of training for safety issues.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Oct 3 at 2017 8:42 AM

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Sounds like a uniform violation, and SFC Private RallyPoint Member has the references. I have "caught" my own guys violating uniform, and it's almost always an honest mistake, and easily solved with an on-the-spot correction. If they are your peers, you should inform them to help them, so they don't get caught by the 1st Sgt or the Chief. Try to be helpful. If they don't want help, OK. Let it pass. You are not the command chain. I wouldn't advocate for you to snitch on him, and if he chooses to continue to violate uniform, he WILL be caught.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 9:08 AM

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Forgive me, but it seems that every airman I've seen has their rank sewn onto the shoulders of their ABUs.

Is this what he doesn't have "on?"

In the Army, our rank is either Velcro and thus removable from our chests, or a lot of us sew our rank onto our OCPs.

It sounds to me like there might be some underlying issues that extend beyond a simple uniform violation for any service member to refuse to display their own rank. A lot of people take it as a matter of pride, and as SSG Redmond already stated, there are regulations which mandate rank be worn.

If there are other issues with this airman... meaning - disciplinary - you may want to alert their first line supervisor, though I'd be willing to bet that if they haven't had their rank sewn on, their first line may already be well-known by their supervisory chain. I'd be concerned with what underlies the rank issue.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Oct 3 at 2017 9:52 AM

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UCMJ for not wearing rank; That's more of an on the spot correction than a UCMJ action, unless the correction went terribly awry and you guys were scuffling.
Aren't you both E-3s, and if so; you have the general authority vested in all to make on the spot corrections but depending on how the correction was made and having been an E-3 many moons ago, I could see another E-3 peer flipping you the bird or telling you to fuck off pretty easy if you didn't apply tact, doesn't make it rite but reality is as it is. Or is your unit so low on manning that they have you serving as an E-3 team leader to this troop, then that would change the dynamic.
Good job on making the correction, Art 92 failure to obey an order or reg would be where I'd start looking. But again you're peers so if you came to Squad Leader St.Cyr he'd thank you for doing the rite thing, chew your peers ass for being wrong and not making a valid correction, come up with some form of corrective training to reinforce the standard and send you on your merry ways.

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Oct 3 at 2017 9:54 AM

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Since rules change so much between the different service elements, first seek the knowledge of a Senior Service NCO - Period! Ask for advice, mentorship, how to best handle the situation and request you be permitted to keep it at your level first, before raising... Then go forth and do good things. This day in age, too many are too quick to judge! If things do not change, report back to said Senior NCO with specifics as s/he provided direct guidance, and they WILL handle from there. Two things learned here, teaching the lower enlisted the proper authority of the chain of command and how to keep things at the lowest levels, and two, how to properly handle an unknown situation with couth!

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 10:00 AM

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((I did the reading))

Some advice from the Navy A1C.

Right now you are at cross roads, while I applaud you for taking the time to try and correct a shipmate in their deficiencies I would coach you to not go Blue Falcon. You can deal with this at your level in a very simple matter. When ever you see this individual with out their rank refer to them in a superior / subordinate matter. Call them by the wrong rank, make sure others hear you do it. Address them as a junior person and feed them some public shame. They will ether compile or they will start to be called out by your all's peers.

You will encounter people like this through out your career, and if you start running every violation up the flag pole, trust me the first time you screw up they will all pounce and make it out as a capital offence. Pick your major battles, and use tact for the skirmishes. 20 Years is a long time.

Just some advice from an old Salt.

Response by MSG Peter Nielsen made Oct 3 at 2017 10:53 AM

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Article 134

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Oct 3 at 2017 10:57 AM

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I have two questions.

1- What uniform was he wearing? ABU's have sew on rank. If he is wearing an ABU, that is a bigger issue to me. However, if he was wearing OCP's, a flight suit, gortex, or other uniforms that have a Velcro rank patch it's not that big of a deal. Maybe the patch fell off or he lost it. Those are easily replaceable.

2- Why do you care? Since SrA's don't supervise other SrA's it not your lane. It's should be a SSgt's issue.

The proper way to handle it is to first go to the Airman and inquire why he is not wearing his rank. If the answer is not satisfactory, then you may bring it up to his supervisor.

However, your motivation for ratting in a fellow Airman will come into question. You need to be prepared for any consequence of your actions.

Response by CW4 Brian Haas made Oct 3 at 2017 11:39 AM

2017-10-03T11:39:26-04:00

Wait, wait, wait...a Soldier told another Soldier to “Shit the f*%k up”!? Noooooo...what is our military coming to.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 12:19 PM

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I would consider an on the spot correction using tact and respect. Such as - "Excuse me, I think your rank fell off".

Response by LT Ed Skiba made Oct 3 at 2017 12:33 PM

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Out of uniform.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 12:39 PM

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1. There is only one Uniform Code of Military Justice. It is made up of many articles.

2. A uniform violation would definitely be an article 92, which is failure to follow a lawful order.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 1:08 PM

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Seriously? You're gonna screw a E-3 like that for forgetting rank? It's not like he's walking around with a SGM rank on, he just isn't wearing it. This guy kick your puppy or something?

Response by SSG James Swarr made Oct 3 at 2017 1:30 PM

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Stay in your lane "Airman"...you're that guy that nobody wants to be.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 1:41 PM

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Could it be that his response and lack of rank is a result of UCMJ already having taken place and he lost that E-3 you last knew him to be? And you caught him? Were you personally stalking him to see if he would be out of uniform so you can bust him? Also, you want to throw him under the UCMJ train this quickly? Could also be that perhaps he did have a slight brainfart about forgetting his rank and you just happen to be the 20th person to address him on this and his irritation factor was set to high because of that. If, by some staffing shortage and you were placed as his supervisor all you would have had to do was pull him off to the side and professionally ask him what the deal was. If you are not his boss and you two are (or even aren't) in the same section, then the NCO take care of it. In the future, I recommend you choose your battles AND your words more carefully. Because the way you worded your question, some would venture to wonder if you have a personal vendetta against this other Airman.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Oct 3 at 2017 2:01 PM

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How about you tell him to put some rank on there Airman.

Response by PO2 Alexander Tipton made Oct 3 at 2017 2:32 PM

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Attack of the blue falcon...caw caw!

Response by SPC Rudy Hawkins made Oct 3 at 2017 3:08 PM

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The UCMJ charge you might write him up for, could be assault !!!! Who do you think you are as an E-3 to try to write someone up for a uniform violation !!!

Response by PFC Bradley Campbell made Oct 3 at 2017 3:24 PM

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i think his CO should make sure his rank and pay correspond to the rank he will proudly wear on his uniform.

Response by SGT Adam Winebarger made Oct 3 at 2017 3:57 PM

2017-10-03T15:57:04-04:00

An E3 posing as an E1? This sounds like a case of stolen valor to me. Alert the authorities at once!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 4:15 PM

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Army ranks are usually Velcro or not sewn on.

Maybe he simply lost his rank patch or the pin for his hat?

In my unit, of you lose your pin or your Velcro patch, you have to be an E1 for the day.

Response by SPC Nicholas Bettinger made Oct 3 at 2017 4:21 PM

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SRA Chief of the Airforce!
You should know better and help your buddy out!

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Oct 3 at 2017 4:57 PM

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Nobody on our teams, officers or enlisted, wore rank in the field whether for training or deployed. i've got a pic up here on the "last active duty photo" thread. The guy to my immediate right in the photo is/was a Naval Lt. i was a Marine Sgt. The team members in the back row had ranks from l/cpl to cpl.

For some reason the folks we supported felt better about us calling fire missions & air strikes if they didn't know our rank

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Oct 3 at 2017 5:02 PM

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If I caught a military member without the Oak Leaf Cluster on his ribbon, what UCMJ would that fall under.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 5:26 PM

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There's also the possibility with the velcro uniforms that it fell off so he just removed the pin on from his PC and carried on, could have even been on his way to grab another one from his room. He could have gotten in some trouble you don't know about and may no longer be a PFC. There's infinite possibilities. That's why you ask first.

Response by SGT Gabriel Brown made Oct 3 at 2017 5:56 PM

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Here’s the thing. There is this amazing notion that seems to have fled the lower enlisted brain housing group as of late: police your own. Too easy, right? Focus on becoming a better leader rather than a blue falcon. As a leader, you should have taken it upon yourself to fix him, not f**k him.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 6:04 PM

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If you knew what rank he was why didn't you help fix him??? They call it battle buddy for a reason you blue falcon!!

Response by TSgt William Sharp made Oct 3 at 2017 6:45 PM

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depends, in my time, we used failure to obey a lawful order, regulation...failure to maintain good order and discipline, and finally conduct unbecoming the status held. If you have any considers in a real situation, approach your supervisor First, then First Sargent and if you believe nothing was don't then you can report it to a section commander or commander using the open door policy. In any case please be a bud first, we use the that server are human and we can do dumb things. All services are based on self correction and use of the chain of command...if you approach the individual and get major push back start with your supervisor and don't talk about it with anyone else because we always must maintain good order and discipline.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Oct 3 at 2017 7:08 PM

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I'm guessing he didn't have it on his parka or fleece...seeing that airmen have the rank sewn on their utilities. Now if this guy was strolling around slick sleeved, which would baffle me more that anything, he might have issues. Those parka sleeved ranks or fleece tabs fall off or get recon'd sometimes and it affects all ranks. And unless you have a spare in pocket,there isn't much you can do until you get another. Now UCMJ...I'm sure no one is issuing a article over this. Since it's the AF and they frown on resolution by fist, just rat him out to his section chief. You'd probably get more accomplished.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Oct 3 at 2017 9:48 PM

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imitating a Private, new one on me

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2017 10:27 PM

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I experienced something similar to this, only I was on the other side. I had my line number for Tech, and had all but one of my uniforms prepped for it. Then the Air Force released the line number increment; I wasn't due to put on for another month (my line number was literally one number above the cutoff for that month). Problem is, I was working mids after a three day weekend, hadn't seen the incremental list, and had come in with my Tech stripes. So here I am, 30 days from actually putting on E-6, as an E-5, wearing the wrong rank. Literally nobody that worked with me said anything or cared, they knew I had the correct rank at home, it was just an honest mistake, there was no use beating it into the ground.
Then, at morning shift change, I get that one jackass Airman who calls me out in front of everyone, to include the Commander (who knew just the same, but still, it's the principle of the thing).
You know what that did? Nothing good. It made me look like a shitty NCO, it made that Airman look like an asshole, and it jammed a wedge into my flight's cohesion and morale that we never recovered from. Had he come up to me and asked to speak with me alone, and told me then, I would have thanked him, told him good job handling the situation properly, and went about our day, no feelings harmed.
Yes, it is your job to identify and fix discrepancies. But jumping straight into UCMJ action? You have a lot of growing to do. This rule has served me true my entire career; praise in public, counsel in private. Just pull him into a conference room or a quiet part of wherever you work and just say, "Hey, just so you know, I noticed you didn't have your rank on today." If he is a professional, which he should be, he will thank you and go about his day, and correct himself. Of course, if it is a trend, then yes, you have a responsibility to bring it up with his supervisor. But the term "UCMJ" should not come up for a looooong time, and only after a repeated trend that just won't break.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Oct 3 at 2017 10:34 PM

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No offense bro, but you are an A1C as well. Why on earth do you believe that you are in any position to be attempting to get people in a UCMJ sling? What kind of SM goes out of there way to screw people like that? You may want to reevaluate how the military works dude. By the way, I don't know a single command that will take an Art 15 recommendation from an E3... Scan your lane and quit trying to be a blue falcon. No one likes a buddy fucker.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Oct 3 at 2017 10:49 PM

2017-10-03T22:49:04-04:00

Dude WTF? On the spot corrections fall out of style?

Response by SSG Lyle O'Rorke made Oct 3 at 2017 10:53 PM

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Depending on the circumstances the Airman in question may be wearing the appropriate rank. You are not aware if this Airman just received NJP and lost his rank or not. Most military praise and promote in public and punish in private. He may have just lost the rank, thus the “Fuck You” from him.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Oct 4 at 2017 12:01 AM

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Was he not wearing collar devices or was his not wearing rank deliberate? My first thought would be that he forgot to put his rank on his uniform because he got distracted or was in a hurry. Certainly that would be very embarrassing but I don’t see it as an offense severe enough to get written up for. I’d send him to get his rank insignia and make him work late or give them an extra duty (off the record) to make up the time lost correcting their mistake. And I’d make a note for the record to be thrown away when they transfer or get a different reporting senior. Repeated offenses might warrant an entry in their official record but I see no reason to screw up a budding career over a one time occurrence of forgetting to put on one’s rank.

I also question the judgment of someone who would run to the boss trying to point out their peers mistakes and get them in trouble for something like this.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2017 12:43 AM

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Reminds me of the time my daughter thought it would be funny to switch my name and branch tags. This E1 recommended UCMJ action against me and I did 30 days confinement. It ruined my entire career. If only he had just did the courtesy of an on-the-spot correction...*shaking my head just thinking about it.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Oct 4 at 2017 2:39 AM

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You are too fucking junior. Don't be a blue falcon. Take him aside and be all like, "yo, dude, you're Doing It Wrong".

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Oct 4 at 2017 9:21 AM

2017-10-04T09:21:13-04:00

I better never wear sterile uniforms anymore. I might run into Harper and he want me thrown out of the Army.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2017 10:11 AM

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E-3 to E-3... you should probably just help them out or make a quick on the spot correction. Not sure how anyone benefits from impersonating an E-1.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2017 11:54 AM

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Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Oct 4 at 2017 12:20 PM

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My first thought would be "who helped you get dressed this morning?" then point out the omission and wait for his reply. As a JAG I'm hard pressed to find a charge because a question remains "Was this deliberate?" "Was he intending to gain some benefit or avoid some duty?" "How did he benefit by wearing no rank?" Not every transgression from the "good order and discipline" is worthy of punishment. If you are a first line supervisor its important to take the opportunity to teach and do a counseling session. You might find it instructive and motivational to have the offender read "Uniform wear for dummies" (link below) an excellent guide for the insignia challenged. My answer is USAF centric, but I checked with the other services and got the reply: Army "Deal with it and drive on." Navy "What kind of supervisor are you?" Marines "Make him do push ups until he understands the importance of uniform wear as a reflection on our beloved corps....then beat his sorry ass."

Hope this helps.

Marine"readhttp://afrotc.byu.edu/sites/default/files/files/Uniform%20Wear%20For%20Dummies.pdf

Response by Sgt Anthony Horinek made Oct 5 at 2017 10:49 AM

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Dumb ass

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2017 12:00 PM

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The responses in this topic went to the Facebooks (gutters) very quickly. . .

In SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member's post, OP clarified further details of the incident, and why he asked the question.

"You are right but after I asked him about it he told me to shut the ____ up and he stated that there isn’t any UCMJ art about not wearing something that your authorized. I was going to talk with him again today, but I would like to know what that would fall under" -SSgt Private RallyPoint Member

Sounds more like a question to settle a debate, than anything else.

Response by CW4 Gary Brosier made Oct 6 at 2017 12:52 PM

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Why. Forgot his Pfc pins. He didn’t put on higher rank and did not try to defraud anyone

Response by Lt Col David Nadeau made Oct 6 at 2017 2:21 PM

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I ran across a CMSgt at Lackland wearing a short sleeve blue shirt with all his ribbons and badges but no rank insignia. I jokingly said "either you're the highest decorated AB I've ever seen, or there is something wrong with this picture..." He had taken his epaulet rank off and put it on his sweater; when he took the sweater off he forgot to put it back. Sad part is he had been without the sweater for several hours... He promptly ID'd himself, thanked me for the correction and proceeded to chewing some ass in the office. Hey, it happens...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2017 7:51 AM

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Well if you ever want to be a leader you should be helping your battle buddy out. Maybe he lost the rank for his PC so he's staying in uniform by not wearing a rank on his chest? Instead of being a Bravo Foxtrot you should help him. Or even ask why to understand. Hell whenever we do field excersises I usually take the rank off my blouse and put it on my body armor. If I see a battle without rank I'll find somebody who has spares. If he's a private I'll lend him my old rank, if he's my rank I'll give him mine. You gotta look out for other people first.

Response by SFC Robin Patty made Oct 11 at 2017 9:36 AM

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Rank and all awards were required to be sewn on the uniform. When I was in Special Forces unit patch and the long tab was close enough.

But going back to the Big Army, is correct him as an NCO but that would be it. I just felt that I had better things to do than correct uniforms in that way. Now if he was wearing inearned rank, as inE-3 wearing E-5 I’d drag him into the company 1st sergeants Office.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2017 10:01 PM

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square him away then. There's no reason to be a blue falcon unless you catch him at a bar wearing 1SG rank or something haha.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2017 4:21 PM

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LOL what the fuck? You’re a special one...

Response by SFC J CRuz made Nov 23 at 2017 5:23 PM

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It fall in making an spot correction, not all the the uniforms violation are corrected with UCMJ action.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Reese made Nov 23 at 2017 5:54 PM

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Back in the day it wasn't uncommon for the posts to break off of the Pin on rank and rather than have one on one side and none on the other they would take it off both and go to supply to get new rank or to clothing sales to purchase new. But if spotted they would just explain the situation instead of some ass hat going off the deep end about missing rank just ask you might find out it is a simple explanation.

Response by MSG David Johnson made Nov 23 at 2017 8:47 PM

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While in Iraq I had to take the rank off my ACU's when I wore my IBA due to it jabbing into my breast bone. So I'd stick it in my pocket. We would get to another base after a convoy, or a route clearance mission, most of the time I would forget to put it back on. My guys would remind me before too long though. But if someone doesn't have rank on due to an honest mistake, why are you trying to bust his chops? Youre supposed to help out your fellow Soldiers. Its just wrong trying to get UCMJ for someone not wearing his rank.

Response by SrA Kevin Beggs made Nov 23 at 2017 11:25 PM

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It never ceases to amaze me how people like to cause drama rather than solve it before it starts.
Help the person out.
Talk to them and help them with an opportunity to make a correction before it's an issue.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Nov 23 at 2017 11:30 PM

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What??? Sounds like the AF has gotten tougher than the Army since I retired! This would general be corrected by on the spot correction and maybe Counseling in the Army!!

Response by SPC Fred Lytge made Nov 24 at 2017 2:40 AM

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This happened to me when I was stationed in Ft. Lewis 29th sig..I sat across from my company comander in the mess hall. We inadvertently grabbed each others cover. So for a short while I was a Captain....lolol...made the switch back a few mines later back at the company area...no harm no fowl. It was also before berets..

Response by SSG Michael Raysses made Feb 12 at 2018 12:11 PM

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First of all.... said young trooper in question made a mistake... plain and simple... now if it continues?... it's not a mistake any longer, it's a CHOICE!... then he gets "written up".... so then after the WRITE UP... it's now documented.... and the instances will add up over time if said young troop continues to get his young ass in trouble... do I think this is justified from a seniors point of view?... YES!... they need to be educated about their uniforms and how to PROPERLY WEAR THEM!... HOOAH?....SSgt Mike Raysses, USAR-Ret.

Response by Sgt Ken Downs (Harmon) made Feb 12 at 2018 3:13 PM

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ART. 15

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2018 7:42 PM

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Navy e3 working uniform doesn't have any insignia so this doesn't happen. By the time you make e4 you should know better.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Feb 12 at 2018 8:34 PM

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I have to agree with the commentators, and "slow your roll." Now if this young airman is habitually out of uniform and has been counseled and retrained and it just appears that he or she is being defiant, make sure you document all your stuff, before proceeding with any action. Undocumented stuff will come back and bite you in your ass.

Response by SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez made Feb 12 at 2018 8:55 PM

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Why do I have the feeling that this is beyond a violation of the uniform? Hmmm. During my years in the Army, I came across several Soldiers wearing ear rings while in uniform, and they clearly and honestly made a mistake, it was not intentional. I didn't make a huge deal out of the whole thing. One of them was in Korea when we were passing each other on our way to our respective units, I corrected the person and moved on. The other who was a student in AIT when I was an instructor. Again, I didn't make a huge deal, but this time I took him to one of the studios at the school house and made him stand in front of a mirror. He noticed right away. Again, I think there is more to this story to be pushing some UCMJ action against another service member.

Response by 1st Lt Joseph Schilling made Feb 13 at 2018 2:02 AM

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Below rank, ok

Response by 1st Lt Joseph Schilling made Feb 13 at 2018 2:03 AM

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Below actual rank, soak arm from saluting!

Response by SFC Kenneth Mcknight made Feb 13 at 2018 12:43 PM

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On the spot corrections is what Soldiers are taught. My immediate question is, where is his immediate supervisor?

Response by SPC David Willis made Feb 13 at 2018 12:59 PM

2018-02-13T12:59:30-05:00

There is a huge difference between "wearing the wrong rank" and catching him not wearing any rank. I cant think of any reasonable circumstances where catching someone without their rank on should merit any kind of UCMJ action at all. Now if he's an E3 wearing SGM rank that's an entirely different story.

Response by Lt Col Tracy Nieser made Feb 13 at 2018 8:38 PM

2018-02-13T20:38:36-05:00

Non-judicial action.

Response by Charles Travis made Feb 13 at 2018 11:13 PM

2018-02-13T23:13:19-05:00

Stolen Valor

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2018 5:54 AM

2018-02-14T05:54:12-05:00

Correct him and see why he didn't have it on, I've done. I've packed my uniforms quickly after they gotten washed and forgot my patched

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2018 11:20 PM

2018-02-14T23:20:58-05:00

Uhhh...

Why don't you just ask him/her why the infraction instead of going straight to a UCMJ option you might want to consider there is a good reason for it.

You might want to explore something in yourself. A good leader would never use the harshest point of discipline over such an easily correctable infraction.

Just my 2 cents airman.

Sorry, Senior Airman.

MSG Bo

Response by PO3 George McCullough made May 13 at 2018 11:20 AM

2018-05-13T11:20:34-04:00

I was in the Naval Security Group. We seldom wore uniforms and when we did often the rank was wrong. That went for officers and enlisted, and I don't remember anyone getting called on it.

Response by PO2 Seth Carron made May 13 at 2018 1:28 PM

2018-05-13T13:28:17-04:00

Or, you could step up and talk to the guy, instead of causing unnecessary drama, and wasting your CoC's time. Honestly trying to bring an article violation on him over a piece of fabric is childish.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made May 13 at 2018 2:00 PM

2018-05-13T14:00:29-04:00

It's stuff the company Gunny fixed ASAP, that's his job to sort out minor shit.

Response by PO1 Eric Booker made May 13 at 2018 10:14 PM

2018-05-13T22:14:49-04:00

I'm not sure why this is a "thing". Tell him he's unsat, tell him to get his shit together and carry on. It's nothing you need to be bothering your chain with. I'm from the school which was taught and teaches to handle issues at the lowest level possible. THIS falls into the "lowest level" type correction. IF he continues, then guess what??? At least you TRIED and won't be labeled one of "them".

Response by SSG Timothy Stevenson made Nov 23 at 2018 11:14 AM

2018-11-23T11:14:10-05:00

Seriously, help him out instead of trying to get him in trouble. A PFC worried about another PFC without rank what did he do to you. SMH

Response by SGT Jim Humphrey made Nov 23 at 2018 12:32 PM

2018-11-23T12:32:54-05:00

I never wore rank. Be careful

Response by PO2 Seth Carron made Nov 23 at 2018 5:05 PM

2018-11-23T17:05:57-05:00

That would be under the "blue falcon" clause. Have you tried asking why he has a minor uniform issue instead of laying the hurt down on him? I hope you learn not to screw your buddies over before you become an NCO.

Response by TSgt Seth Borrell made Dec 21 at 2018 11:25 AM

2018-12-21T11:25:20-05:00

I had a troop recently check in from Tech school show up wearing an E-3 rank when he was supposed to be an E-2. As it turns out his recruiter did not get it in his contract and his Tech School instructors held a promotion ceremony for everyone in the class that they assumed were to be promoted. Usually these kids honestly dont know and are going off of what an NCO told them.

Response by PO2 William Gudim made Mar 16 at 2019 11:51 AM

2019-03-16T11:51:25-04:00

This has to be an Air Force issue worrying about someone else like this. I am guessing you just want to cause trouble for this individual, or maybe he didnt listen to your orders to him, as you have no real power.....

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2019 11:55 AM

2019-03-16T11:55:02-04:00

Technically violating Article 92 but a spot correction is the healthier way to go.

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Mar 16 at 2019 12:06 PM

2019-03-16T12:06:14-04:00

Could be possible he had his top off, and someone took the rank off, and he never noticed.

Response by SGT Erik Stark made Mar 16 at 2019 12:20 PM

2019-03-16T12:20:08-04:00

The wrong use of rank in the UCMJ falls under “Corrective of training”

Response by SPC Bobby Coble made Mar 16 at 2019 12:31 PM

2019-03-16T12:31:20-04:00

Wow. You are a true turd bird if you seriously want to make an official issue out of this. I sure wouldn't want you in my fighting position.

Response by SFC David Bentley made Mar 16 at 2019 12:45 PM

2019-03-16T12:45:55-04:00

I had a very young E4 with a ranger tab over his patch instead of the correct airborne one. I asked him if he made a mistake, we had a conversation and he took it off, I honestly think he was just dumb vs malicious. If he had given me a FU Sarge then things might be different. Bottom line if someone isn’t in your chain of command who cares.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2019 12:50 PM

2019-03-16T12:50:27-04:00

Lone him an extra rank patch for God's sake!

Response by SPC Randall PeQueen made Mar 16 at 2019 1:07 PM

2019-03-16T13:07:36-04:00

You 'caught' him? Was he trying to get away with this dastardly deed? Outstanding detective Harper, you are a true patriot. The nefarious deeds of this no-rank-wearing E-3 traitor surely would brought us to our knees..... Seriously, communicate with him/her if need be and if this person is not in your unit then let his supervisor deal with it and carry on.

Response by Sgt Jared Anderson made Mar 16 at 2019 1:09 PM

2019-03-16T13:09:09-04:00

Why is this even a conversation? Is it not normal procedure to correct the person... why is it about how can I get him in trouble instead? Considering he was not hurting any one?

Growing as a leader is about earning respect more then it is ratting it by gaining rank.

How you handle situations, treat your men and fellow men (or ladies). Will earn you your rank before your even given that rank.

I look at some of my biggest errors as a leader when they happened fall into this category. Especially when moved to a new unit and used to having respect and not getting it because I did not earn it yet. My responses and reactions to my men were ones that demanded respect vs earned it...

You will find being a leader as you put on rank so much easier when men fallow you because they respect you then if you demand it from them.

Think about how you would want a leader to handle the situation with you.

Response by CPL Paul Beebe made Mar 16 at 2019 4:24 PM

2019-03-16T16:24:25-04:00

UCMJ doesn't apply to things like this-now, if he was wearing a higher rank, yes.

Response by CPL Paul Beebe made Mar 16 at 2019 4:24 PM

2019-03-16T16:24:58-04:00

UCMJ doesn't cover this, now if he was wearing a HIGHER rank, yes.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Mar 16 at 2019 8:53 PM

2019-03-16T20:53:46-04:00

Here's a couple of questions for you. Was it intentional or was he distracted while putting his uniform together? Are you in the position of seniority by date of rank or position? How do you feel about getting your ass beat for stepping out of line over the issue?

Response by SSgt Jimmy Jackson made May 19 at 2019 6:13 PM

2019-05-19T18:13:32-04:00

Tell them they forgot their rank this morning and move on. They will either correct it or get corrected by someone else....This is not a UCMJ issue Airman. Is his name Jody or something?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2019 6:34 PM

2019-05-19T18:34:57-04:00

Once when I was an E-3, I caught myself wearing the wrong rank. I immediately returned the hat to my Lieutenant Colonel. I suggest that you don’t play the “Gotcha” game. There are much more important things to focus on.

Response by SFC Nate Robertson made May 19 at 2019 7:39 PM

2019-05-19T19:39:13-04:00

Why are you so worried? Do you think by being a rat will get you brownnose points

Response by CW4 Scott Hyde made May 20 at 2019 7:36 AM

2019-05-20T07:36:57-04:00

Walk up to him and say ‘hey Airman, why are you not wearing your rank?’

Response by SSG Mark Matteson made May 20 at 2019 11:30 PM

2019-05-20T23:30:14-04:00

Down right ridiculous

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2019 1:40 PM

2019-09-17T13:40:33-04:00

Sounds like your just giving him a problem. Correct him and drive on. As leaders, our job is to ensure our Soldiers are kept in accordance with regulations and staying out of trouble, but we also need to know that line of when to be tough on them and when to just handle the situation and move on.

For a simple thing like forgetting to throw his rank on his chest, there is no need to jump in to the UCMJ. Correct him and leave it be; jumping in to the UCMJ is very excessive and not necessary.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2019 10:11 PM

2019-12-24T22:11:01-05:00

Dude, he demoted himself? Thats beautiful.

Response by SFC Sabino Arquero made Dec 25 at 2019 6:09 AM

2019-12-25T06:09:55-05:00

It’s called “on the spot correction”

Response by Maj John Bell made Dec 25 at 2019 11:49 AM

2019-12-25T11:49:18-05:00

I think the rank of the person asking the question may have changed since this was originally posted.

No matter what the rank of the two airmen, I would start with the premise it was an unintentional head space and timing error.

If we were the same rank, after he told me to "shut the ____ up." I'd assume that I did my part and he gets to bear the consequences, unless I was his team leader or supervisor. I was by billet responsible for him being squared away, I'd pass it up the chain. Part and Parcel of being in uniform is wearing it correctly, including the appropriate rank insignia.

If the I was senior in rank, and an NCO or above, immediately after telling me to "shut the ____ up" I'd give him one chance to explain the chip on his shoulder and to repent his evil ways. If he failed to do so, I'd crucify him on the road to Rome.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2019 1:49 PM

2019-12-25T13:49:49-05:00

If you have to research which article someone is violating, you are just looking for someone to burn. How about telling the guy to square himself away and ensuring that he does. It's a better solution than trying to write him up. Unless you don't care how others view you as a leader. Just remember that every dog has his day. This would go over about like a fart in Church in the USMC.

Response by SFC Michael Simas made Dec 27 at 2019 6:45 PM

2019-12-27T18:45:12-05:00

Depends on who it is, some gomers you just let them go and hop he runs into someone high up in the chain of command

Response by SSG Cecil Stroud Jr. made Feb 29 at 2020 7:12 PM

2020-02-29T19:12:05-05:00

Mind your own damn business you blue falcon.

Response by SFC Antonio Nieto made Mar 1 at 2020 8:10 AM

2020-03-01T08:10:29-05:00

That is not UCMJ I think you are part of the that group the BLue FAlcons

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2020 8:26 AM

2020-03-01T08:26:18-05:00

I’m curious, has this happened a lot and is it patterns of misconduct or did you catch him once with no rank? I wouldn’t just straight to UCMJ for something so small. Leaders seem like they are trying to ruin lives.

Response by MCPO Phil Rolfe made Mar 1 at 2020 9:33 AM

2020-03-01T09:33:27-05:00

If you don’t know the answer - you have no business correct him. That said - it is the job of an investigator (at what ever level) to determine what specific article may have been violated if any.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Mar 1 at 2020 10:47 AM

2020-03-01T10:47:10-05:00

In my experience, that only requires an on-the-spot correction at the most junior level. If it becomes habit, the "why" needs to be answered...and more than likely put on paper.

Response by SPC Todd Cox made Mar 1 at 2020 10:20 PM

2020-03-01T22:20:41-05:00

On the spot correction. Why screw him over if it’s possibly an honest mistake? I’m sure you are always on point with every reg right?

Response by SSG Stuart Zion made Mar 1 at 2020 11:06 PM

2020-03-01T23:06:46-05:00

After reading some of the comments.
I want to know where this troops chain of command especially his first line leader he should of fought the gig and did an on the spot correction as I see it a mistake if it gets to the point of UCMJ for that then his chain of command should go down also

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2020 8:03 AM

2020-03-02T08:03:26-05:00

Hint to all readers -
Unless I miss my guess, he's "asking for a friend".

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2020 9:17 AM

2020-03-02T09:17:49-05:00

Impersonating a fuzzy. Someone fire up old sparky.....

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2020 10:06 AM

2020-03-02T10:06:17-05:00

Mr Chairforce, how about you go back to your cage.

Response by SPC Ruben Marin made Mar 2 at 2020 10:21 PM

2020-03-02T22:21:26-05:00

AR 670-1 used to be the reg. Don't know if that's still the reg. But I hope by now you haven't achieved E5 by screwing ppl over? You do on the spot corrections in a subtle way as to keep ppl liking and respecting you.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2020 10:51 PM

2020-03-02T22:51:31-05:00

From my understanding it should have been a uniform inspection prior to what ever event that was taking place. That’s on the NCO

Response by Cpl Charles Trump made Mar 3 at 2020 10:11 AM

2020-03-03T10:11:11-05:00

This some kind of vendetta thing. Team Leader Squad Leader address this! Sounds like it's time for a Alphas inspection. Other then that this non-state back stabber needs to be told to carry on!

Response by SFC Steven Hetletvedt made Mar 4 at 2020 9:10 PM

2020-03-04T21:10:51-05:00

Properly addressing him/ her that it is a requirement as part of the uniform. Otherwise you could just consider them an ordinary pvt1 u til he/ she shows you the proper identification. They will learn eventually. Especially when their pay check is smaller and they are whining about it. You tried to correct them and they did not want to listen.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Mar 7 at 2020 2:58 AM

2020-03-07T02:58:22-05:00

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member I have to wonder if you are serious? Anyone can simply forget to out on his/her insignia on any given day. It's just a minor mistake. I, myself once forgot my collar devices. One time at an inspection, the commander forgot his. Put simply, shit happens, its not always punishable by the UCMJ. Get a grip bud.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Mar 13 at 2020 7:16 PM

2020-03-13T19:16:31-04:00

Treat him like a private. One morning a Cpl. fell out for formation. we wore metal chevrons on our hats and collar of our utilities. He didn't have any on. when the Plt. Sgt. put him on a work detail with a L/CPL. as the leader of the work party, He said " Hey I'm a Cpl." The Plt. Sgt. said "no your not all I see is a Private" You dress like a Private you get treated like a Private. Semper Fi.

Response by SGT Thomas Seward made Mar 14 at 2020 2:07 PM

2020-03-14T14:07:19-04:00

It falls under Article - You’re a Staff Sergeant and need to make the correction on the spot! Did you ask? Maybe he forgot, he is an E-3 after all!

Response by SGT Justin Brothen made Mar 14 at 2020 4:30 PM

2020-03-14T16:30:53-04:00

He isn't impersonating a officer or a neck, have you never had your flimsy Velcro rank removed without your knowledge? I know I have

Response by SSG Raymond Gaither made Mar 18 at 2020 2:11 PM

2020-03-18T14:11:57-04:00

Am I looking at something wrong. You guys keep saying an E3 has no right to tell another E3 what to do. All I see is an e6 asking because an individual he knows to be an E3 not wearing his rank. If and E3 told me to shut the hell up I would be all over him and talking to his chain of command immediately.

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Apr 10 at 2020 9:03 PM

2020-04-10T21:03:54-04:00

Ask more questions before you jump, did he grab a shirt and was wearing a jacket and forgot and took the jacket off? He would be in violation AFR 35-10. Are you his supervisor? Instead of losing this airman, get to the bottom first, then you can decided the next course of action. A simple letter of counseling or verbal warning can go a long way. But remember first, correct the problem. Send him back to the dorm or home to get into uniform. If this guy is wanting to get kicked out, documention can go a long way to help him. Be a leader first.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Apr 10 at 2020 9:23 PM

2020-04-10T21:23:45-04:00

It would fall under the uniform regulations for the respective military branch.

I don’t know why you are trying to bring up charges under the UCMJ for something that should be squashed using small unit leadership skills. Seems a little excessive but that is without knowing the whole story. I would recommend just addressing it using the immediate chain of command unless it is a pattern of misconduct but at that point you have bigger issues than just rank on a uniform.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Apr 15 at 2020 8:39 AM

2020-04-15T08:39:10-04:00

I went to a nursing conf in San Antonio many yrs ago. I worked a pm shift for many years in my civilian life (before 12hr shifts screwed over both patients & nurses), so was 1/2 awake getting dressed. I was a 1st LT or CPT, & a very nice MAJ stopped me & unbuttoned one of my epelettes, reversing the shoulder board I had on backward. Having finished, he patted me on that shoulder & wished me a nice day.That was LOVELY, & a very decent & kind way to repair a uniform faux pas!

Response by MAJ Phil Bundy made Apr 19 at 2020 2:29 PM

2020-04-19T14:29:32-04:00

Why not just correct the troop and move on. Being a dick about it only proves one thing, you're a dick.

Response by SFC Regina Boyd made May 4 at 2020 6:23 PM

2020-05-04T18:23:25-04:00

Seriously? So he wasn't wearing his rank doesn't make it a "crime." Unless one of the armed forces (Air Force, Army, etc.) has a specific regulation that makes it punishable for not wearing your rank, good luck pushing for punishment under the UCMJ. Are you that insecure that you have to validate your leadership by wanting to punich a military member for such a petty oversight? As a senior NCO (retired), I would be questioning your ability to lead and having a talk with you.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2020 12:10 PM

2020-05-09T12:10:49-04:00

Doesn’t the AF wear the same crappy Velcro rank that the Army has now? FYI, velcro sucks! MAYBE it fell off? Or he forgot when he put on a fresh top? Why be a BF over it instead of helping a dude? Yeah, E3 wants to be an E1 said nobody ever!

Response by Lt Col David Nadeau made May 10 at 2020 11:10 PM

2020-05-10T23:10:13-04:00

When I was an MTI at Lackland AFB in the 80's I had to supervise some Airmen on detail at the Visitor Control Center. When I went inside I saw an individual in Class B's with ribbons but no rank on the sleeve or the epaulets--he was sporting a rack of 22 ribbons. Based on his appearance I knew he'd been around the block a few times so I approached him laughing. He asked me "what's so funny?" I replied, "either you're the most decorated AB I've ever come across, or something is wrong with this picture (pointing at his uniform)." He looked at both his shoulders (SNCO's in the AF wore epaulet rank in those days); looked back at me and sneered, and then made a beeline for the TSgt who was working the desk and went stratospheric on him. He was a CMSgt, and had been in the area for over an hour and no one told him...HUGE mistake! Come to find out after the fireworks that he'd taken his epaulets off to put on his sweater, and took the sweater off and left it in his car forgetting he needed to put them back. Long story short, I got a free lunch from the deal; the TSgt well, he needed to go to the BX to buy some smaller underwear...

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made May 13 at 2020 10:00 AM

2020-05-13T10:00:04-04:00

YOU SOULD MAKE AN ON THE SPOT CORRECTION. REMOVE THE FALSE RANK AND HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL REPLACE IT WITH THEIR ACTUAL RANK. MAKE A NOTE, SOLDIERS NAME, RANK THEY WERE WEARING, ACTUAL RANK AND DATE. THIS IS JUST FOR FUTURE ACTION IF NECESSARY.

Response by SFC Jason Manners made May 21 at 2020 9:05 AM

2020-05-21T09:05:23-04:00

I would ask yourself first, if you have a grudge against this person. If you do try to help this person out first and then fix your grudge. We have all made mistakes in the past. If he is doing it just because he wants to then maybe take further action but I highly doubt that is the case. There are bigger things to worry about than missing rank.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 11:28 AM

2020-05-21T11:28:14-04:00

So when i was a PFC, i was working diligently cleaning the stockroom and was authorized to not have my Top on (it was like 120 degrees), just the shirt. Well, the Supply SGT sent me to go get something from one building over. So i do the right thing, put my top on and my cover, and beat feet.

Little did I know some other soldier (probably the SPC who liked to call me 'college boy') thought it would be funny to replace my rank with E-9 Rank. I hadn't noticed the change until i reviewed my uniform after buzzing the door, then i quickly pulled my rank and went in as an E-Fuzzy.

Now when i was questioned, "where is your rank". I had very few options.
I could Lie.
I could be a Blue Falcon.
I could play stupid.
I could just look tired.

I went with the 4th option and it all worked out.

You never know what a soldier is going through, and to immediately jump on the UCMJ train is the wrong answer, every time.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 11:49 AM

2020-05-21T11:49:47-04:00

Smh.. this is exactly why I’m getting out.

Response by SPC Shawn Gray made May 21 at 2020 12:26 PM

2020-05-21T12:26:22-04:00

Sounds like you you are out to get this individual

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 4:22 PM

2020-05-21T16:22:26-04:00

I really hope you're asking because he tried to tell you it wasn't wrong, and that you're not just another toxic leader looking for another excuse to throw paperwork at people and destroy morale when you could just correct him abs go on with your life.

Response by FN Raymond Reines made May 21 at 2020 8:56 PM

2020-05-21T20:56:49-04:00

That would be "Snitch"...

Response by FN Raymond Reines made May 21 at 2020 8:57 PM

2020-05-21T20:57:09-04:00

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2020 9:43 PM

2020-05-21T21:43:34-04:00

As a non-commissioned officer your job is to lead subordinates. As a leader you should use your general military authority to make corrections as you see them - in point an E-3 not wearing his appointed rank. Using UCMJ authority, punitive or non-punitive methods should be the absolute last option in dealing with subordinates. I cannot believe an NCO at your level would even consider using a non-punitive method right out of the gate. I can tell you that as an E-3 I can remember a couple times I forgot to pin on my rank, but after my NCO gave me a good talking to, I never forgot again. Be that kind of leader. Inspire the troops, don't beat them down at every opportunity.

Response by SFC James Stone made May 21 at 2020 11:28 PM

2020-05-21T23:28:16-04:00

Ar670-1

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2020 12:56 AM

2020-05-22T00:56:14-04:00

You know the AITA site?

You are TOTALLY the asshole.

Response by MAJ Stephen Barnard made May 22 at 2020 5:17 AM

2020-05-22T05:17:58-04:00

Seems like a damn silly question...

Response by FN Raymond Reines made May 22 at 2020 8:22 AM

2020-05-22T08:22:43-04:00

That would be "SNITCH"...

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made May 22 at 2020 11:24 AM

2020-05-22T11:24:07-04:00

I retired in 2014 but if I recall correctly we used to have something called "on the spot correction" in other words inform the soldier he's out of uniform and give him an opportunity to make it right. Of course if this is an ongoing problem or this is a marginal soldier with a history of not conforming than some UCMJ action or counseling may be appropriate.

Response by SSG Douglas Espinosa made May 22 at 2020 11:25 AM

2020-05-22T11:25:05-04:00

Whatever happened to on the spot corrections, taking a troop out to the wood line? Are you a newly promoted NCO who is just trying to flex the little muscle you have? Take care of your troops, don't screw them. Guide, counsel and mentor them. This troop may have been in a hurry and forgot. God forbid you forget something. Then it better not be do as I say, not as I do...

Response by MSgt R Rose made May 22 at 2020 11:41 AM

2020-05-22T11:41:38-04:00

In the Air Force, no stripes is a rank... E-1, Airman Basic

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made May 22 at 2020 3:01 PM

2020-05-22T15:01:16-04:00

SSgt Harper, having been a lst Sgt in the AF, the dress manual addressed wearing of rank on uniforms. The UCMJ would address what would happen if he was an imposter. Don't know if it covered someone who didn't have his rank on.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made May 22 at 2020 6:22 PM

2020-05-22T18:22:23-04:00

I could understand if the PFC was wearing the rank of an officer or a NCO but not wearing any rank should not be punished by UCMJ. That deserves a counseling statement and corrective action. First ask why the Soldier is not wearing any rank and most likely it is unintentional. I have never heard of a Soldier impersonating a lesser rank and if they were I’m not even sure if there is punishment for that. If that is all he or she did and you have no history of misconduct then no commander (at least not a good one) would demote a Soldier for something that small. This is one issue that really needs to be handled at the lowest level. Don’t waste your officers’ time with something so trivial. If an NCO’s solution for something this trivial is a recommendation for punishment maybe they lack the proper leadership skills or have something personal against that Soldier and want to attempt to ruin their career or make their life miserable.

Response by SN Terry Poynter made May 23 at 2020 2:53 PM

2020-05-23T14:53:51-04:00

sounds like chickenshit, and if this is REALLY what has your stripes in a wad, you have other issues that need to be addressed.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2020 9:45 AM

2020-05-24T09:45:13-04:00

I am a SGM, and there are times I am nit wearing my rank as well. I would be more concerned about this private being able to perform his or her warrior tasks and let the NCO’s in his or her chain deal with the missing rank.

Response by PO3 Capri Alcala made May 24 at 2020 5:24 PM

2020-05-24T17:24:50-04:00

Well what branch? Navy doesn’t have a rank insignia for E3 and below. So there is no violation. Not sure about other branches.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made May 24 at 2020 6:05 PM

2020-05-24T18:05:40-04:00

I don't know about the Army, but I would think all the services have a Manual that address wearing of uniform. Ours also shows current uniforms to wear and with what and how to wear your ribbons, stripes, etc.

Response by SPC James Lunn made May 24 at 2020 8:31 PM

2020-05-24T20:31:15-04:00

Obviously NOT as serious a violation as posing as an Officer or an NCO. And I don't know of any advantage you would gain by stripping yourself of two stipes. Lol

Response by Michael Gilbert made May 25 at 2020 4:28 PM

2020-05-25T16:28:39-04:00

I have no idea, but even as a civilian and a potential recruit, I will say this cuz its relevant...Don't be a Buddy Fucker...Thats a surefire way to get everyone under you or at your same rank to hate you. It aint just the military that has these kinda things. (Happened to me at the jail I worked at)

Response by CW4 Andrew Carson made May 25 at 2020 6:28 PM

2020-05-25T18:28:24-04:00

Better than wearing rank above his grade. Is this person in your unit? Do you know what his duties involve? If not, ask. Maybe he didn’t realize it. Or maybe there’s a reason that’s none of your business. Of course as a CID agent I frequently had subordinates under cover; any information beyond that falls under the “not your business “ category.

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made May 25 at 2020 7:03 PM

2020-05-25T19:03:24-04:00

Did you correct him? Has it happened in the past? Lots you can do before going the UCMJ route. Don’t be an asshat leader.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2020 10:54 PM

2020-05-25T22:54:13-04:00

As an NCO, just do a spot correction, especially if he's in ABU and it's the fleece rank, unless this is a common occurrence and he's wearing OCP's and you've already talked to him about it. In that case, if you have a paper trail of MFR's and you want something to referance in an LOC, just referance 36-2903, rank will be worn. You could also talk to his frontline supervisor and have them handle it, again, especially if you've talked to the airman before.

Response by Sgt Steve Friedlander made May 26 at 2020 12:10 PM

2020-05-26T12:10:47-04:00

Help the fellow Brother or Sister out. See what's going on. Maybe their in trouble and need someone to talk too.You don't need to be that person, but you can help them.

Response by PFC Russell W made May 26 at 2020 1:31 PM

2020-05-26T13:31:34-04:00

Worry about your own

Response by PO3 James Bobiney made May 26 at 2020 3:13 PM

2020-05-26T15:13:00-04:00

When I was in the Army and re-classed to Medic. In AIT we had enough Prior Service to have our own Platoon. We had an E5(Sgt) Reservist. When graduation came he showed up with SSG rank on and Brown Round. Our DI's scoured the regs about this and one of them told us in formation that it does not state anywhere in the regs that wearing a lower rank than what you are is prohibited. So therefore it was okay. Maybe not favorable, though. When we asked him why, he told us that he knew there was another SSG in his unit going to the same training class and he didn't want to be the Platoon Sgt. Kinda shitty and maybe even lazy. idk. But that was in 1990, and the Army.
He was a DI, also.

Response by CW4 Ely Martinez made May 27 at 2020 9:35 AM

2020-05-27T09:35:02-04:00

Not necessary to immediately “go to guns” or nuke a Soldier for not wearing rank. Taking the time to ask and understand why can make all the difference. In some instances, it is necessary to sanitize one’s uniform. So, there could be a multitude to viable reasons why it is necessary.

Response by SPC Tommy Dean made May 29 at 2020 3:35 PM

2020-05-29T15:35:40-04:00

Square up your sideways profile picture. Wipe that stupid grin off your face. Cowboy the F-k up and and ask the "military member" where his rank insignia is. Trying to get someone in big trouble over this petty uniform infraction shows your true colors. You should go far in the air force. Probably farther in politics.

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made May 31 at 2020 10:49 PM

2020-05-31T22:49:37-04:00

The law only refers to not wearing a rank senior to the rank you have been awarded or to which one is entitled. Interestingly, when one takes the oath for promotion, there isn't a statement that one gives up a lesser rank or has the lesser rank rescinded. In times past, an officer could hold a field or combat promotion as temporary and either receive a permanent grade or revert depending on situations such as a RIF. In addition, the standard for retirement as a commissioned officer (especially flag) is serving a minimum number of honorable years in grade. There are a whole host of other "rank held" provisions.

Why one might want to be seen as a lower rank is another issue. Now if one of my E-4s wasn't wearing his crow at the time "Muster all Non-Petty Officers on the fantail for working party" went down, I might suggest that he join the party. Though knowing how coveted a Third Class (E-4) Crow was as it meant seldom catching a working party -- except to supervise, I can't imagine making that mistake.

Response by CPT Nick Moutos made May 31 at 2020 11:39 PM

2020-05-31T23:39:29-04:00

As an A1C, he’s a junior enlisted that needs on the spot correction rather than UCMJ action. If it becomes a persistent problem, event oriented counseling and a specific plan of action for remedial training would be appropriate. Lead this Airman and set him up for success.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2020 10:59 AM

2020-06-11T10:59:21-04:00

1. He lost his rank.
2. He knew he was going to lose his rank.
3. He isn't a Soldier at all.
4. It didn't matter to him.
5. UCMJ Art. I. Who. (a.) Cares.

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 11:50 AM

2020-06-17T11:50:48-04:00

SF.

Response by 1SG Michael Brooks made Jun 17 at 2020 11:56 AM

2020-06-17T11:56:41-04:00

WOW!!! trying to punish instead of train, coach mentor and instill discipline. I would run you forever around the damn airfield if you worked for me. You were given a brain for more then just remembering where the chow hall is located. Posting that on this forum is like tattooing stupid on your forehead. (Rant Over)

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 12:00 PM

2020-06-17T12:00:47-04:00

I'd lvem alone In Country, Ya could get-em killed by playing Games ; Back in the World Unless He was walking a Post from Flank to flank & took no shit from any Rank ; Then (IF) you were OD & He caught ya snooping & pooping His Taor , Shame on you ! SF.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 1:09 PM

2020-06-17T13:09:45-04:00

I'd say correct him on the spot and move on. Sometimes its just an honest mistake. Leadership always looking for the UCMJ route is one of the many reasons a lot of lower enlisted i know hate being in the army. It feels like your leadership is out to get you and they refuse to understand anyone's point of view other than their own.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2020 7:20 PM

2020-06-17T19:20:04-04:00

Velcro sucks man. As long as he wasn’t wearing hat ranks and no top rank they’re fine. He’s not impersonating anyone. They’re not impersonating anyone of higher status. He’s still a private.

Response by Cpl Bobbylee Dominguez made Jun 17 at 2020 11:48 PM

2020-06-17T23:48:43-04:00

This question, makes believe the person asking is the person not wearing their rank, or has been appointed leadership, not much of leader. Or just jealous.most people dont forget rank they worked to hard to forget to wear them.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2020 12:08 AM

2020-06-18T00:08:32-04:00

Why is everyone saying he’s an E3 speaking to another E3. Isn’t a SSG an E5 in the Airforce?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2020 12:23 AM

2020-06-18T00:23:36-04:00

Just verbally counsel them. Duh. Why does it need to escalate so fast lol

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 8:29 AM

2020-06-19T08:29:50-04:00

I think the UCMJ Article would be FRONT-BACK-GO!
He might remember next time

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Jun 19 at 2020 3:51 PM

2020-06-19T15:51:42-04:00

I'm not sure that is even in the UCMJ; he's just not in proper uniform. A simple discussion as to why he's not, and why he should be could resolve the whole thing. Half my corpsmen could not get the hang of a square knot in their dress unis' ties. It was an easy fix.

Response by SFC Osvaldo Vazquez made Jun 19 at 2020 5:51 PM

2020-06-19T17:51:49-04:00

I would say you are around the same age, don't like the guy, and have nothing better to do than to look around for people to do something so you can feel better about "doing the right thing". My first question is: are you in his NCO chain? 2. Are you in a leadership position within his NCO or Officer chain?... If the answer is no to any of those two and you still feel so concerned about it that you must go "tattle tell" on someone that you have no business watching over then tell an NCO and slowly walk away.

So maybe if you give more info than trying to get someone an art 15 for not wearing rank?... did you ask him if he lost it? maybe he didn't have money to buy it?... he, here's an idea, be a good NCO and buy him some rank out of your own pocket and take care of that Soldier instead of trying to hammer him for such petty thing./

Response by SPC Scott Kauffman made Jun 19 at 2020 8:16 PM

2020-06-19T20:16:54-04:00

I would find some E-2s to treat him as though he was an E-1 for a few weeks. That would teach him.

Response by SGT William Revis made Jun 19 at 2020 9:38 PM

2020-06-19T21:38:42-04:00

It depends on the circumstances and where you are there are some units that require the removal of all rank in unit designation. If he's working a detail where might ruin or destroy his uniform and he's been given something to wear while he's performing that detail. Question why first before you make an assumption and if you request to verify it with his unit do so

Response by SGT William Revis made Jun 19 at 2020 9:43 PM

2020-06-19T21:43:39-04:00

If he's wearing and ncos rank or officers rank higher than his rank that's a punishable offense. Unless he is participating in a training exercise where he has been given a uniform to demonstrate the proper wearing of awards and decorations. and the individual must be in transit from his Barracks for the classroom and back with no deviation. Again I say check with his command

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 19 at 2020 10:04 PM

2020-06-19T22:04:41-04:00

if everyone else has to tell you how to do your job..

Response by PO3 Nicholas Bennett made Jun 19 at 2020 11:32 PM

2020-06-19T23:32:00-04:00

I don't know what the equavalent is in your branch but in the navy we have a collateral duty called Dispersed Technical Publication Librarian (DTPL) and alternates that take it over if the primary can't. They basically take care of all the field manuals and publications the Navy does it's work by. You should find whoever that person is first and only look here after if they for some reason can't provide an answer. I'd post it but I want you to learn how to do that first, it will be an invaluable skill later on as you move up the leadership ranks.

Response by Maj Ted Mc Neel Sr. made Jun 20 at 2020 8:29 AM

2020-06-20T08:29:26-04:00

Most likely it wold be Article 34, Prejudicial to the good order and discipline of the service!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2020 11:28 AM

2020-06-20T11:28:04-04:00

If your worried about UCMJ for a a Private that is missing the rank on their uniform, you you have no business in leadership. How is threatening disciplinary action going to effectively build this individual? How is it going to build their trust in NCOs, and authority figures in general? Have you ever had an issue with your uniform? Is there a legitimate reason the rank is missing? It's not as though their posing as having a higher rank.
If you where in a combat zone, and severely injured, do you think that you would have any right to expect this individual to risk their life to save yours, after blowing them up over this? Because you don't. And I wouldn't take a bullet for you either.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2020 11:36 AM

2020-06-20T11:36:57-04:00

If you saw a Full Bird Colonel with rank missing, how would you treat them?

Response by MAJ David Atkinson made Jun 20 at 2020 1:25 PM

2020-06-20T13:25:05-04:00

Back in the stone age when I was a 1LT, I walked into the office and the CSM said good morning Private. I looked at my collars and they were empty. Back when we had pin on rank which I had failed to pin on.

Response by SGT Sean Lynch made Jun 20 at 2020 5:32 PM

2020-06-20T17:32:50-04:00

I would immediately take the soldier aside, and counsel them as to the importance of wearing rank. Also, give them the implications of being reduced in rank.

Response by SGT James Tyo made Jun 20 at 2020 8:33 PM

2020-06-20T20:33:20-04:00

I would ask the soldier why instead of condemning them without cause. We had a 1st lieutenant newly promoted who had come to formation with gold bars. When we brought it to their attention they were shocked, embarrassed and immediately went home and changed. Thanking us for noticing.

Response by SFC Jeff Stevenson made Jun 20 at 2020 10:26 PM

2020-06-20T22:26:49-04:00

Even looking at this professionally, as a leader, talk, don't punish. Now days, mentoring is far beneficial than punitive. Being from the SOF side, we could care less. You do your job to the best of your ability. Now it seems that job performance takes a back seat to garrison attractiveness.Leave the uniform hawks to the SGM, point him in the right direction. You're the battle buddy right? Or is Buddy really just half a word. Sometimes I am really glad I retired.

Response by LTC Carl Kimball made Jun 21 at 2020 2:00 AM

2020-06-21T02:00:56-04:00

All you do is square him away, cover for him while he gets his uniform straight. At the NCO level it's maybe some push ups at the worst. Skip the chain of command and go to the CO? Have fun with that, your immediate supervisor will rightfully smoke you. Just focus on yourself and your job.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2020 2:09 PM

2020-06-21T14:09:26-04:00

See my personal commentary under SSG Matthre Unger's comment, but to specifically address your question:

10 U.S. Code § 892 - Art. 92. Failure to obey order or regulation

You will have to scour your own Air Force uniform regulations to determine if there is a requirement for an E-3 to wear their rank, but it could be argued that even if the Airman was not compelled by regulation to wear their rank, they were derelict in their duties by NOT wearing their rank (which would be covered by paragraph three (3) of Article 92. Would this stand up in court without a regulation that backs the required wearing of the rank? Probably not, but it sounds pretty scary if you're an E-3.

Response by LCpl Rich Vail made Jun 21 at 2020 6:09 PM

2020-06-21T18:09:20-04:00

The difference between and E3 and E1 is like two whores arguing who owns rights to a corner...the difference is infinitisimal. Let it go.

Response by PV2 Ross Bryan made Jun 21 at 2020 8:45 PM

2020-06-21T20:45:40-04:00

I WAS IN THAT SITUATION ONCE IN THE ARMY RESERVES!
WHEN I MADE IT TO E-3 AND E-4, I NEVER SEWED ANYTHING ON!!
I WAS ONLY BURNING DAYS UNTIL DISCHARGE DAY, AND I DIDNT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE MONEY!!
ONE DAY MY PLATOON SGT NOTICED
AND SAID SOMETHING, AND I LET HIM KNOW I DIDNT CARE!
AS I HAD A GOOD CIVILIAN RAILROAD JOB I SURE AS HELL DIDNT NEED ARMY MONEY!
I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING MORE,
HE MUST HAVE NO PURSUED IT ANY FURTHER,LOL!!
I WAS RATED AS AN E-4 ON MY FINAL DISCHARGE PAPERWORK HOWEVER!!

Response by CPL Jonathan Roberts made Jun 22 at 2020 1:59 PM

2020-06-22T13:59:04-04:00

Have any rank. Is part of the uniform. It's under 670-1 wearing and appearance of us army uniform . not really any ucmj. Thats what the counseling 's are there for . counsel your Joe and put them on the right Trac

Response by SSG George Holtje made Jun 28 at 2020 10:52 PM

2020-06-28T22:52:29-04:00

There are plenty of service members doing something worse than not wearing rank. Its a correction not worth the paper or time.
I've seen people get away with AWOL, stealing sensitive items and hit and run in a tactical vehicle, so just make him sew it on if it keeps happening.

Response by MSG Ron Radar made Jul 1 at 2020 7:35 PM

2020-07-01T19:35:09-04:00

You just stop and ask that person " What's up with your rank insignia ? " . There's no reason I can see to get all bent about it unless they pop off with a nasty response . Even great troops get in a hurry at times and forget things . Reporting something like this without a VERY good reason just seems like a blue falcon thing to do . And a fellow E-3 turning in this type of thing is most definitely a blue falcon type behavior . There's too many types of folks in the military that are in for the wrong reasons , it's just a job is NOT what you need to be thinking if you're in uniform . Pride in everything you do and the willingness to HELP your fellow troops is what needs to be foremost in your mind . And by help I mean help NOT be a prick all the time and act superior to anyone you don't feel lives up to YOUR standards . We're a very large family and we need to treat all personnel as fellow team mates NOT as lower forms of life ( At least once they're out of basic training ) . Just an old retired MSG's opinion .

Response by SPC Perry Gresham made Jul 1 at 2020 7:41 PM

2020-07-01T19:41:19-04:00

A mistake.

Response by SSG Michael Vance made Jul 3 at 2020 11:24 AM

2020-07-03T11:24:44-04:00

I'm going to have to go with questioning the young troop and on the spot correction, then if that fails Article 34 UCMJ etc. The only corrective actions for that type of "offense" would most like be the previously mentioned on the spot correction and counseling lest there is more to the story

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Jul 7 at 2020 5:31 PM

2020-07-07T17:31:21-04:00

hey man, you forgot your rank.... keep on trucking. end of story

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jul 8 at 2020 4:20 PM

2020-07-08T16:20:05-04:00

Ah? Well. You haven't given me enough information. Is said E3 wearing a field jacket with no rank? Did he have his shirt off and didn't have his rank tattooed to this arm? [sic!] Where did his occur? Let's NO HANG HIM OUT TO DRY, provide him some guidance--we are talking about an E3 here.

Response by PO2 Ronnie Chandler made Jul 24 at 2020 5:55 PM

2020-07-24T17:55:57-04:00

My 2nd day in A school or Tech school for some. I got stopped by a Marine Capt. he explained an issue I had. Then checked on me all thru school. He would just drop in and say Hi. He taught me what a leader was and I was in the Navy. Still remember his name

Response by A1C Stanley Kolakowski made Jul 25 at 2020 10:24 AM

2020-07-25T10:24:54-04:00

Gotta love RP pulling up "old" posts, and acting like they're "new". On that note, some observations:
OP was an E3 when he wrote this. He replied to someone in here (but it should have been in the OP under the title) that he was looking to "inform" his fellow SM on what could happen to him (informal session)

On that note, for anyone who may run into this in the future, my version of the answer:
AFI 36-2903 (what I knew as 35-10) has "may" be worn stuff (ribbons on blue shirts, ties/tabs when not wearing the dress coat), "may yet is strongly recommended" be worn stuff (badges), and "has to be there" stuff (everything else). Rank stripes, like name tags, ribbons or medals on dress coat, etc. are in the last category.

Therefore, he should be wearing his current rank at all times. There is no "specific" UCMJ article on dress codes, but all AFIs are "lawful orders", so Art 92(? been way too long) "failure to obey a lawful order" is the area that the SM is "dangling in".

I say this because this "violation" could be born from "legitimate reasons", a situation where SM just bought uniform with "no time / ability to apply rank" before reporting and it's the only uniform SM has access to at the moment, "surprise promotion" from winning BTZ and it being kept secret till "pin on" time, Art 15 caused "slick sleeves" (E1) to [i]be[/i] his current rank. Therefore, I'd apply some "tact" in finding out what's up before pulling out the "this is the fire you're playing with" comments. Also, because of "reasons" and the "relatively minor" not life or death level of this situation, the "process" (optional verbal, documented counselling, LoR, hammer; with appropriate corrective time between steps granted) is "necessary", so I wouldn't be making it out like the SM in question is flirting with a quick trip out if this is "first offense" level territory.

Response by PFC Joshua Hagen made Jul 28 at 2020 10:19 AM

2020-07-28T10:19:05-04:00

Is this a question so you can give corrective guidance on a counseling statement like "under UCMJ blah blah blah, this is what you're looking at if you don't get your shit together and square it away" or is this a question from a "leader" who has no clue how to deal with other humans and gets off on abusing his power? I've been out for over 10 years and I see the latter category everywhere. Don't be that guy.

Response by SrA Julianne Eisenberg made Jul 30 at 2020 4:18 PM

2020-07-30T16:18:46-04:00

Very True

Response by MSgt John Ragland made Aug 2 at 2020 9:37 AM

2020-08-02T09:37:00-04:00

Be a good NCO and open up a copy of the UCMJ(e-copies exist) It is indexed ok and you can learn by reading it. 77-134 are the punishable articles.

Response by SPC Kenneth James made Aug 16 at 2020 12:57 AM

2020-08-16T00:57:57-04:00

Good grief I am so glad I was in back when we policed our own selves do they still teach that in basic or not we were taught to look out for each other and boy o boy did we because when we landed in Honduras and Granada we needed each other more than we could have possibly dreamed one thing I sure still use to this day when you point a finger at someone you have 3 pointing back at you just tell your brother dude you forgot your rank because one day he may be there for you

Response by SGT Bill Christian made Aug 16 at 2020 1:51 AM

2020-08-16T01:51:29-04:00

We had a term for this in the army what was it again....oh yeah blue falcon....you're an NCO he is a junior enlisted member do an on the spot correction and move on

Response by Maj A. Clark made Aug 31 at 2020 5:20 PM

2020-08-31T17:20:55-04:00

If you are really an E-5, you should know that article 134 is the catch-all. But first as an E-5 you should ask the E-3 what the heck is going on and just tell them to correct the issue. If they don't know how to correct the issue, then you provide instruction and guidance. As an NCO you are there to lead and pull the lower ranks up with you.............................................................................................................................. The 3 Ms of Military Leadership.... 1. the Mission, 2. The Men 3. Then Me...

Response by Sgt Peter McDonald made Sep 1 at 2020 10:37 AM

2020-09-01T10:37:16-04:00

Direct him to put on his rank, if they fail to comply, take corrective action in accordance with NJP.

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Sep 1 at 2020 12:27 PM

2020-09-01T12:27:34-04:00

Lead and motivate.

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made Sep 14 at 2020 11:22 AM

2020-09-14T11:22:04-04:00

Okay I have to comment on this subject. I was injured really badly getting out of a 5 ton truck. Knocked out cold for more than 30 minutes and hauled by military ambulance to Frankfurt hospital, FRG. In the morning when I was given the remains of my uniform the following items were missing, my hat/cover, my rank insignia, my blousing rubbers, my hairbands and hair clip, and my belt. My 1stsgt and a driver came to get me under concusion protocols as I would have had to stay all day to catch the bus back to my unit and was on a 2 week+ profile due to my head injury and etc.,. The 1stsgt took one look at me and told the driver to give me the keys to the vehicle so I could go lay down in said vehicle until they were done with their paperwork. As I walked out the door of the hospital looking very much the worse for wear and obviously not all present I was stopped multiple times on the way to the vehicle and berated for being "out of uniform" and why was I in such a condition, and why was my hair down and not "tightened up". Note there is no PX or Uniform store within the confines of the hospital or even anywhere nearby. I had to explain multiple times in front of a hospital why I looked this way and where my missing items were when I couldn't even figure out who I was much less military protocol for which I was also berated as I didn't salute at least one officer. I couldn't see very well either. The vehicle was maybe 60 feet from the door of the hospital and I vaguely remember having at least 3 individuals stop me to harrass me about my uniform. I didn't get written up but I was an injured troop leaving a military hospital and still obviously still in distress and suffering from an injury. Not one of those people helped in any way, all they wanted was to bust on someone leaving a hospital while still injured. I'll get off my soap box now......

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Sep 15 at 2020 5:31 PM

2020-09-15T17:31:21-04:00

I would simply do an on the spot correction. The next time he was out 8f uniform I would give him or her a written counseling statement. That way when there is a third you can take administrative action appropriate for the offense. Having the wrong rank on is not a court martial offense unless they were intentionally impersonating an officer or an NCO above their pay grade. That can land you in some deep water.

Response by SPC Thomas Mapplebeck made Sep 16 at 2020 8:55 AM

2020-09-16T08:55:17-04:00

Seems your out to burn this soldier by the way you phrased your question... "I caught him". Someone that wants to lead and progress in the military will approach and "investigate" before passing judgement. A 2 minute conversation may make the issue clear and maybe you can assist this soldier get squared away. Don't become known as the rat! I makes for a hard tour.

Response by SGT Benjamin Parsons made Sep 16 at 2020 10:49 AM

2020-09-16T10:49:52-04:00

You "caught" him? Or you noticed it? Doesnt sound like he was trying to get away with something, just doing new private shit. Cut him some slack, these are the guys that are supposed to have your back in combat. Better to improve them than to make them hate you.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2020 2:39 PM

2020-09-16T14:39:08-04:00

I see that this was asked two years ago, yet it’s just showing up for me. Most likely it was an honest mistake. And doesn’t warrant any further action than saying “Hey battle, you’re missing something.” And move the fuck along. Why hem up a dude who may have made such a silly mistake? Now if it’s a constant thing, and that shit happens all the time, find a way to make corrective actions. Not UCMJ bullshit.
It’s human nature to make mistakes. That’s how we learn. To many of you are quick to jump to paper trail bullshit over such silly shit.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2020 11:25 PM

2020-09-16T23:25:35-04:00

I'm a member of a State Defense Force. There are 23 states that have these units. Each one operates a little differently. We have a unique dilemma in that as a solely state level unit not subjected to Federal control, we are not allowed to wear the Federal Eagles according to AR 670-1. On the regular Class A uniforms, all the buttons and hat devices contain an Eagle there. According to the manual we as a State Defense Force are not permitted to wear those eagles either on the buttons, the hat devices or even on the rank of Specialist, Now if we were to apply the Specialist background with no eagle to our class A jacket, you would not really be able to see it for anything. It makes a person look like a buck private even though technically they are equivalent to a Specialist. It's been a little dilemma that we are waiting patiently to get resolved. It doesn't just affect my state but all of them. Some states might chose to operate a little differently but ultimately AR 670-1 governs the wear of rank. In my avatar to the left I was having this little predicament going on, but I have since been promoted to SGT (E-5) and can wear that just as anyone else of that rank. On our buttons, we wear our state's seal as opposed to those Eagles. We work with our State's Dept. of Military Affairs
Now on a class C uniform, the velcro can wear out and it might not stick anymore. At that point he would need to go and get that replaced. The only other reason I could see for not wearing a rank is that maybe he really is a buck private or lowest ranking member of a particular branch.
I would go let him know in a polite and tactful way, be the NCO though, lead by example and if he gives you any crap(insubordinate) then kick it up the Chain. You have to do what you have to do. That's just my thought on it. Hope it helps.

Response by SGT Damion Jiles made Sep 17 at 2020 7:26 PM

2020-09-17T19:26:23-04:00

Wouldn't it be easier to tell the soldier that he needs to put on some rank as opposed to putting paperwork on that person? What kind of leader(if at all) are you?

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made Sep 17 at 2020 9:12 PM

2020-09-17T21:12:07-04:00

First where did the SSgt grade come in? SSgt Harper said the airman was a E-3 which is a A1C, he didn't say what rank was on the individuals sleeves, just that he was out of rank. If the individual was wearing stripes of a higher grade, I as his First Sergeant would have a little chat with him about impersonating a SSgt if that was the case which could earn him an Article 15. If this was the first time that the individual had gotten into hot water, and was a good airman, then I would give him/her a Ltr of Reprimand, and put it in my desk. Now if he showed up again in my office, that reprimand would come out and they would be given a formal reprimand that would be placed in his personnel records.

Some times individuals will do something just to see if anyone is paying attention, or they may just be asking for help because there may be an underlying problem.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Sep 18 at 2020 8:42 AM

2020-09-18T08:42:07-04:00

At the most it would be an on the spot correction and counseling the soldier on the wearing of rank..

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2020 9:37 AM

2020-09-18T09:37:18-04:00

He probably just finished a ruck, not a huge deal. If one of my soldiers has a fucked up uniform I correct him and move on. UCMJ should only be used for extreme or repeat offenses. No need to ruin his career

Response by SPC Scott Rice made Sep 18 at 2020 6:25 PM

2020-09-18T18:25:06-04:00

Perhaps as an E-3 he could not afford to buy his rank ,or perhaps he just became and E-3. Better to be wearing no rank than wearing higher rank.

Response by SPC Emmanuel Galloza made Sep 19 at 2020 11:41 AM

2020-09-19T11:41:03-04:00

Look just take it off his chest what is he gonna do beat you? When it come to light he is in the wrong

Response by Capt Wayne Burden made Sep 19 at 2020 1:53 PM

2020-09-19T13:53:37-04:00

Hummm... impersonating an E-1? Why would anyone knowingly want to do that? Probably more a case of buying a new uniform and forgetting to sew on the stripes. Let it go with a reminder to get it done... ASAP. Technically out of uniform but first offense... not a huge deal unless becomes a habit.

Response by SFC Ray Guti made Sep 19 at 2020 10:31 PM

2020-09-19T22:31:27-04:00

Are you effen kidding me? If you are concerned, step up and be a leader and ask that individual and educate him why itnis important to wear rank instead of airing his business here..

Response by PO3 Sdmf Edge made Sep 20 at 2020 1:40 AM

2020-09-20T01:40:19-04:00

Yeah that would be an Article Y aA under the UCMJ...(You're an Asshole).

Response by AB Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2020 9:17 AM

2020-09-20T09:17:51-04:00

Possibly have the Airman inspect your stripes very closely... such as "run your nose down these". Maybe inform the Airman that some "rainbow" slots are opening at the gas station just outside the gate. Plenty of motivators to utilize.

When I was putting on stripes... I'd do so in neon... so everyone could see. I'm a bit confused on why would a 1 or 2 striper want to run around as an AB. Must be a tide-pod thing... :-)

Response by SSG Jeff Furgerson made Sep 20 at 2020 12:37 PM

2020-09-20T12:37:13-04:00

UCMJ should be the last resort, I agree with alot of the comments I am reading below, ask him why he wasn't wearing any rack and fix it, burning troops should not be the first thought that comes to leader's mind when dealing with subordinates, just my two cents.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2020 1:27 PM

2020-09-20T13:27:06-04:00

Instead of going around flexing your muscle the simple things you could have done is call the "on the spot correction".

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Sep 20 at 2020 5:45 PM

2020-09-20T17:45:07-04:00

Why ask for UCMJ action for a minor uniform violation. A good NCO would make an on the spot correction and move on to other things.

Response by Col Robert Wallace made Sep 20 at 2020 6:17 PM

2020-09-20T18:17:58-04:00

I have to agree with SSG, TSgt Gary Garvin, SPC Earl Semler. MSG Chuck Pewsey & others. Why are you looking to punish him via UCMJ instead of looking for the reason on not weaing any rank. And how do you know that he is an E3? Maybe he had been promoted or even demoted. Without trying to find out the "why", you don't really know his reason(s). As stated by others, a good leader tries to help the subordinates under his command, not necessarily chew them out when something wrong is discovered.

Response by SPC Alisha Dick made Sep 21 at 2020 9:47 AM

2020-09-21T09:47:36-04:00

My son would have really been in trouble multiple times. He was promoted to E-2 in basic and E-3 in January, but no one said that he had actually gotten the rank. His commands hooked him up with rank, rather than chew him out for not wearing the correct one. Of course, he just graduated high school in June.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 21 at 2020 10:40 AM

2020-09-21T10:40:39-04:00

Probably falls under the changed uniform articles of new guy

Response by SGT Jon Creager made Sep 21 at 2020 7:39 PM

2020-09-21T19:39:08-04:00

670-1 tells you everything you need to know. Otherwise shut up.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2020 6:18 AM

2020-09-24T06:18:41-04:00

So over the unfortunate fact that the first thing these NCOs and Leadership reach for in there tool kit is a hammer

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2020 6:23 AM

2020-09-24T06:23:57-04:00

I love how my post from over 2 years ago keep getting commented on.

Response by SPC Dennis Collins made Oct 7 at 2020 11:43 PM

2020-10-07T23:43:47-04:00

why are you holding your nutts on it prick

Response by SPC Dennis Collins made Oct 7 at 2020 11:50 PM

2020-10-07T23:50:19-04:00

you should be a leader not a fuk head

Response by PO1 James White made Oct 15 at 2020 12:40 AM

2020-10-15T00:40:46-04:00

I think it would be helpful to know (1) Service and (2) Uniform member was wearing incorrectly. As retired sailor, I know Navy Uniform requirements a little better than other services. For E-3 and below there was no rank on our dungarees for E-1 to E-3 and the Peacoat could be worn in uniform with no rank for Petty Officers, although if you had a Crow on your Peacoat, you couldn't wear it in civilian clothes.
That being said, pull your buddy over and let them know what is wrong, so that they can self-correct.

Response by SPC Ralph Ware made Oct 18 at 2020 3:11 PM

2020-10-18T15:11:31-04:00

Dunno about "No' rank but these boys looks strac to me ..........

Response by SrA Steve Morgan made Oct 27 at 2020 11:48 PM

2020-10-27T23:48:36-04:00

Honestly, if you have to ask this question, it’s probably not your place to do anything.

Response by SGT Jeremy Andrews made Oct 28 at 2020 6:47 AM

2020-10-28T06:47:40-04:00

There are details missing. For an E-6 to want to go straight to UCMJ there must be such a grievous violation that no other corrective or punishable action could be take. On the face of this, granted I’m old army, I would have acted a few different ways. If I approached said private/airman, and stated he/she was missing their rank, how they react would choose the course for me. If they apologize and said they were absent minded, maybe 20-30 push-ups would be order to remember to pay attention to detail, always be inspection ready, and the wear and appearance of the Army/Air Force Uniform. If they copped an attitude in the slightest bit it would result in a counseling from me as well as the Platoon SGT. If it was a continual thing then it result in company grade administrative action before it was brought to the UCMJ action.

Don’t be in leadership position, be a leader. There is a difference and I can promise you that once you understand that you gain the respect of the men and women that you are responsible for and they will become much more than what they could be.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Oct 28 at 2020 4:07 PM

2020-10-28T16:07:30-04:00

I recall going off duty after night shift at the hospital and my buddy coming to work had forgotten his SP/4 insignia. I gave him mine to wear and headed for the barracks to rack out. My prick 1SG sent me in to see the Company Commander an even bigger PRICK Major who threatened me with an Article 15 for being out of uniform! A visit to the IG along with a list of harassments by these A-Holes got me transferred to another company! Anyone can be an A-Hole about Chickenshit items but is it too much to ask and find out about what's going on first?

Response by PFC Michael Gysin made Oct 28 at 2020 5:06 PM

2020-10-28T17:06:56-04:00

You appear to have some major issues going on in your back ground and completely incompetent to hold any rank other than E1. One, you are a "Blue Falcon" to the highest degree. Two, you proved to have no leadership skills when you have to use social media to ask others how to be a leader. Three, you are a petty "super snitch" if all you can do is worry about someone being out of uniform rather than saying 'hey buddy, tighten up your uniform'. You honestly earned the title of Blue Falcon.

Response by SFC James Johnson made Oct 28 at 2020 7:44 PM

2020-10-28T19:44:37-04:00

My 1SG used to ask me EVERY morning during in ranks inspection “where’s your rank” just to hear me say “you took it, Top!”

Response by SP5 Steven Newton made Oct 28 at 2020 10:51 PM

2020-10-28T22:51:12-04:00

Fuck you

Response by Sgt Larrie Lindemann made Oct 29 at 2020 10:05 AM

2020-10-29T10:05:52-04:00

Depends on where your at and what your doing

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2020 10:26 AM

2020-10-29T10:26:25-04:00

What's the background to the situation? Is the PFC solid across the board and DLC 1 complete or on every list each month? No, UCMJ in either instance. This a mentoring moment in which you call him to the side and simply ask the question. You'll know his motivation or honest mistake in 10-15 seconds. As NCOs now it seems we have ceased making on the spot corrections for some reason. You can "win" him over with an adjustment to the nearest 92Y or "lose" him with a overkill UCMJ action.

Response by SGT David Dent made Oct 29 at 2020 12:08 PM

2020-10-29T12:08:05-04:00

I think it is called Theft of Valor

Response by SGT David Dent made Oct 29 at 2020 12:23 PM

2020-10-29T12:23:44-04:00

It’s called Stolen Valor:
The Stolen Valor Act of 2005, signed into law by President George W. Bush on December 20, 2006, was a U.S. law that broadened the provisions of previous U.S. law addressing the unauthorized wear, manufacture, or sale of any military decorations and medals.

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Oct 29 at 2020 6:10 PM

2020-10-29T18:10:09-04:00

I believe it's Article 106a (Wearing Unauthorized Insignia, Decoration, Badge, Ribbon, Device, or Lapel Button) but not sure. I am sure that not wearing your rank while in uniform is punishable under the UCMJ. I was the legal clerk during my army stint and saw a corporal get busted to E-3 for not wearing his rank.

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Oct 30 at 2020 12:27 AM

2020-10-30T00:27:57-04:00

Honestly cannot believe I just opened this post...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2020 1:55 AM

2020-10-30T01:55:28-04:00

that is something hardly worth getting UCMJ for. if they forget there rank then they are a private until they get it. it happens no need to be a dick about the situation

Response by SSG Paul Carrier made Oct 30 at 2020 12:10 PM

2020-10-30T12:10:02-04:00

It falls under, "soldier, your rank is missing, lets fix that"
And that goes for a PFC or a CSM..
Fixed a CW3 a couple of times too when his was missing.
No UCMJ, No drama, just an NCO helping a soldier be right.

Response by SPC John Leite made Oct 30 at 2020 1:20 PM

2020-10-30T13:20:07-04:00

Shortly after I got out of active service in 1977 I decided I wanted to drive a tank, (in active service I was a 17B20, Field Artillery & Ground Surveillance Radar Operator) so I joined the Montana Army Guard with the 163rd Armored Cav. and the first time I went for drill I showed up wearing impeccable uniform and all insignia in place and I was blown away at how many guys were wearing no rank at all, wrinkled fatigues, scuffed up boots, long hair, some of those not wearing any rank insignia were actually E4 and E5. it was definitely a "culture shock" for me being fresh out of active service.

Response by Sgt James S. made Oct 31 at 2020 12:54 AM

2020-10-31T00:54:57-04:00

Edited: I see. The post is 3 years old and the OP has gained ranks since posting--so both individuals were E-3s at the time.

Response by SSG Ron Archer made Oct 31 at 2020 11:00 AM

2020-10-31T11:00:54-04:00

Sounds like you have some personal grievance against this private. It’s a spot correction, you act like he was impersonating an officer. I am hoping this is not an example of your leadership skills

Response by MSG Bob Weaver made Oct 31 at 2020 9:25 PM

2020-10-31T21:25:57-04:00

Come out to Range 19 at Fort Bragg and you'll see lots of folks not wearing any mine. I usually only had U.S. Army on mine.

Response by MAJ David Atkinson made Nov 1 at 2020 4:49 PM

2020-11-01T16:49:43-05:00

It would be different if he was wearing SGT stripes. Sounds like he just forgot.

Response by SFC Jonathan Adams made Nov 1 at 2020 7:58 PM

2020-11-01T19:58:00-05:00

I was in day 3 of Air Assault school, they already knew I was an E-5, one morning I rolled into first formation without my rank on my collar but one on my patrol cap, do you know what they did? Pulled me off to the side and said "hey Sarge, you forget something?" Then an instructor pulled out some subdued rank and pinned them on me. Don't fuck your buddy.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Nov 1 at 2020 8:51 PM

2020-11-01T20:51:25-05:00

Well I think I would preface my answer with this question:

Why would it matter to you that he was not wearing rank?

Are you some type of tool that wants to screw an airmen over whenever possible?

It would be different if he was wearing colonel eagles.

But maybe his rank fell off and he did not know it.

Finally, why as a staff sergeant do you not know how to handle this? If I were you I would be more worried about my own deficiency of knowledge then trying to fry some Airmen for not wearing a few inconsequential stripes.

Seriously, you fircken "NCO's" asking stupid crap like this should be embarrassed as hell that a specialist knows this is failure to obey uniform regulation. You know it is not that hard to figure out.

google UCMJ and read the articles:

Article 92 - Failure to obey order or regulation

Not that hard to do. But you are Chair Farce so, what else should we expect but "Someone else do the hard work for me."

Response by MAJ Gerald Richards made Nov 2 at 2020 1:00 AM

2020-11-02T01:00:37-05:00

It seems to me that the man was out of uniform if he was not wearing the proper insignia of rank. However, I would ask the man why and, depending on his answer, would act accordingly. My first thought is not discipline.

Response by PV2 Bob Ondown made Nov 2 at 2020 2:21 PM

2020-11-02T14:21:14-05:00

That would fall under..."Drop and give me 30". Then you send him on his way to correct himself.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Nov 2 at 2020 4:31 PM

2020-11-02T16:31:51-05:00

Now I could have sworn I responded to this. So, here it goes again:
Why are you so hot to put this guy on blast?
As a Staff Sergent how do you NOT know the punitive articles of the UCMJ?
As an NCO you are supposed to be a leader, and you are supposed to be able to take some initiative. A simple google search of UCMJ punitive articles and a cursory glance would give you the answer without you embarrassing yourself in this public forum.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Nov 2 at 2020 7:23 PM

2020-11-02T19:23:02-05:00

If a guy is an E-3 and wants everyone to think he is an E-1, who cares?! I was proud of my rank and always wore it but some don't care. That doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. Unless there is an inspection coming up or you are the immediate superior (who should question them why they are out of proper uniform, maybe they just forgot that day) I wouldn't worry about it. I might even ask them if they forgot to put on their rank that day. To me it was just to petty to worry about.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2020 9:21 AM

2020-11-03T09:21:34-05:00

I've seen this before well not exactly but seen them upside down

Response by Maj Charles Porter made Nov 3 at 2020 3:03 PM

2020-11-03T15:03:34-05:00

I can't see any advantage of "skating" out of all the responsibilities of an Army E-3. I think there is more to this story.

Response by Sgt Maria Gauthier-Love made Nov 6 at 2020 8:13 AM

2020-11-06T08:13:43-05:00

Man-o-man-o-man... he/she would have been toast in my days and stripped of a grade!

Response by SPC Raymond Buckland made Nov 6 at 2020 9:14 AM

2020-11-06T09:14:19-05:00

So an E3 impersonating an E1, yep thats a high offense, should be court martialed, and thrown in the brig. Make them do some pushups, and tell them whats wrong with their uniform. Move on with your day....

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Nov 12 at 2020 12:21 PM

2020-11-12T12:21:41-05:00

Better no rank, than the wrong rank.
Rather than trying to find a punishment for the individual, just spot correct him. If he gives an attitude or it is a chronic problem, bring it to the attention of his chain of command (if he is not in yours), or a counseling statement addressing the issue
I used to actually carry extras, to help out a fellow soldier, who forgot, or lost his rank insignia. I had a captain, very surprised one day, when this (at the time) E-4 handed him Captains bars to put on. Granted, I had found them on the ground, a few months before, and just happened to still have them in my pack, but that is another story.
It never hurts to try a positive approach first.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2020 8:31 PM

2020-11-15T20:31:09-05:00

Why?! UCMJ?? I'd understand if he was trying to impersonate a officer or a higher rank then he has obtained.. but I doubt he was trying to impersonate a fuzzy.. tell him to get squared away and move on. Otherwise you are just part of the problem. Lord irritates me just reading this post, that someone would even consider UCMJ for such a minor infraction...

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2020 8:16 PM

2020-11-16T20:16:57-05:00

You sure you’re not in 7th fleet? This is well beyond the scope of the infraction and one that could easily be handled in person. This kinda overreaction is sure to breed toxicity in the work place.

Response by PO3 Samantha Knight made Nov 20 at 2020 10:06 AM

2020-11-20T10:06:03-05:00

A good supervisor/higher ranking member of the military always tries to go out of their to help their military brothers and sisters instead of throwing them under the bus. You have the potential to be one of three things: 1. you could be one of "those" Staff Sgts that everyone calls a derogatory name behind their back, or 2. you could be a Staff Sgt that gets off on knowing what names folks are calling you and you just don't care, and finally 3. You could be a Staff Sgt. that actually cares about those people he supervises or encounters. If you don't know his situation, ask a question or two. Show the soldier you care, and don't be a d*ck by bringing up the UCMJ into the conversation. This is simple advice from a sailor who supervised her share of sailors as the lowest ranking, certified Petty Officer in her command, and I never had to bring the UCMJ into any conversation, even when correcting behaviors. So I guess the question I have for you is this: Since this happened about three years ago, what did you decide to do?

Response by COL Robert Davies made Dec 17 at 2020 12:51 PM

2020-12-17T12:51:58-05:00

I did Chaplain accessions for a few years, you show up in dress blues. The candidate is expected to be in the proper uniform. It can be tricky, is he or she 1LT or CPT? Is their shoulder board correct? Is there a language barrier? Hopefully there is a mentor or interpretor. Investigate the rank issue spelled out in orders. Shoulder boards take a keen eye for differences. Even the cording on garrison cap. Mentoring, Mentoring, mentoring!!!

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Jan 10 at 2021 8:22 AM

2021-01-10T08:22:57-05:00

YOU'RE A LEADER---LEAD----Tell him to put on the proper rank---don't run to the UCMJ for every discretion.

Response by CPL Allen Minner made Jan 11 at 2021 1:45 AM

2021-01-11T01:45:13-05:00

You air force faggot... BURN HIS ASS for impersonating a BUCK PRIVATE! Can't let THAT SHIT start catching on in the ranks.

Response by CPL Allen Minner made Jan 11 at 2021 1:51 AM

2021-01-11T01:51:03-05:00

You BURN HIS ASS for impersonating a BUCK PRIVATE! We can't let THAT SHIT get started in the ranks! We know you can handle this SSgt Airforcefaggot!

Response by CPT Nick Moutos made Jan 20 at 2021 9:54 PM

2021-01-20T21:54:54-05:00

AFI36-2903 Dress and Personal Appearance of Air Force Personnel
UCMJ Article 92 - Failure to Obey Order or Regulation
UCMJ Article 134 General Article - All disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
SSgt Harper, As an NCO you should be at least generally familiar with each of the above sources, if for no other reason than you are also under a duty to adhere to the AFI and subject to UCMJ. As has been pointed out, you should first try and determine why he wore no rank, and then offer assistance and instruction in proper wear. I won't say "ignore it," because what one member does reflects on all of us. But don't make this a capital offense or adversarial when mentorship and leadership may be more effective. Good luck!

Response by CSM Tim Bebus made Jan 22 at 2021 8:22 PM

2021-01-22T20:22:44-05:00

UCMJ my God what has happened to the Military. Heres an idea, Hey guy your not wearing rank . Do you need help or did you forget to put it o ? Pretty simple correction

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Jan 31 at 2021 7:10 PM

2021-01-31T19:10:33-05:00

Teach first, punish later. Part of your job is to build each individual you encounter. If you criticize first you lose any attention span and your, perhaps, good intentions fall on deaf ears and a future leader may be lost to other endeavors.