If women are assuming roles in combat units, will the draft include women?

CPT Angela Wilder — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:46:56 -0400

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 3:24 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 03:24:00 -0400

Realistically, any momentum to push towards including women in the draft is all highly notional is would more likely be a process of inclusion without any actual substance. That is because we are an all volunteer force, which relies more on incentives and inclusivity to recruit than for strength in numbers. You also tend to have a higher quality of soldier whom are there willingly.

But maybe? I just feel like the draft and including women in the draft, is so beyond any modern effort to amassing a force necessary to fight a war. It’s almost too unnecessary to include, but would, in my eyes at least, be good to consider. Good question though.

Response by MSG Barbara Hensley Lawson made Sep 26 at 2021 4:21 AM

MSG Barbara Hensley Lawson — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 04:21:32 -0400

I don't know that answer but in my opinion it should.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Sep 26 at 2021 8:27 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:27:50 -0400

One should hope so, buy probably not...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 9:21 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:21:23 -0400

https://abc7chicago.com/women-draft-military-senate-defense-bill-selective-service/10907316/

New legislation would require women, like men, to sign up for potential military draft

Women have been serving at all levels of the military since 2013.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Sep 26 at 2021 9:48 AM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 09:48:43 -0400

If the past is any indicator, we have gotten more than enough WACs, WAVES, WAFs, SPARs and WAMs through enlistment.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 10:12 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:12:01 -0400

The new NDAA draft has a provision in it that says women register for Selective Service but I don't know if it's passed with that in it yet.

Again the entire reason women were left out of mandatory registration was combat exclusion. The only way to change that is amending the law.

Ultimately I don't get why people are so bent out of shape because if we need to draft people again and can't sustain a fight with what we have now, we are probably fucked.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 10:12 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:12:37 -0400

Selective Service requirements should be eliminated for all.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 10:14 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 10:14:28 -0400

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/defense-bill-women-register-draft-152400958.html

This is dated Sep 22.

"Women between the ages of 18 and 25 will be required to register for the Selective Service, the system used to draft people into the military in case of a crisis, if the annual defense funding bill that the House is likely to pass this week makes it to President Joe Biden’s desk.

But despite years of pushback against the policy change from conservatives, House Republicans are now largely willing to accept, or even support, the change long sought by Democrats."

"Other conservatives who oppose adding women to the draft do not see the issue as enough reason to oppose the bill.

“The NDAA is never perfect, and this is the case where the good far outweighs the bad,” Indiana Rep. Jim Banks, chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee, told the Washington Examiner. “I have daughters, I don’t want them drafted into the military. I want our military to be a volunteer force. But I think those debates are going to continue to occur even after the NDAA goes into effect.”

Republican Rep. Brad Wenstrup of Ohio, who was an Army combat surgeon in Iraq, noted that there are many jobs in the military and details of the implementation matter.

“There are still physical requirements for certain jobs that you have to be able to perform and fulfill,” he told the Washington Examiner. “It doesn't mean that, you know, if there is a draft, a woman necessarily has to go be in the infantry.”"

Defense bill that would make women register for draft largely supported by Republicans

Women between the ages of 18 and 25 will be required to register for the Selective Service, the system used to draft people into the military in case of a crisis, if the annual defense funding bill that the House is likely to pass this week makes it to President Joe Biden’s desk.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 26 at 2021 12:20 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 12:20:44 -0400

It should. I will use my perspective on fairness in the army. I have said be fair in regards to rewards and unenviable tasks. If women want equal treatment then they should be drafted. I wonder if drafting women will make us look at war differently?

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Sep 26 at 2021 1:06 PM

MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:06:45 -0400

I think the proposed NDAA has that provision in it. Personally, I think either EVERYONE should have to register with the Selective Service or NO ONE should be required. If you want to volunteer then well and good but shouldn't be required in today's "all volunteer" military.

I dunno, maybe certain federal employment positions and/or public offices should have a requirement for registration with Selective Service but even that is debatable.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Sep 26 at 2021 3:17 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 15:17:47 -0400

My EEO views say, "Yes!"
My Dad view says, "HELL NO!"
End result? All things supposingly equal, YES ... the draft SHOULD include women. The only caveat I'd add though is that women, INITIALLY should be in support roles; BUT they should certainly be allowed to go into combat roles if they want. Sexist? I don't think so ... some women (as well as some men) are more suited to support roles; specifically rear echelon jobs which as we all know, are just as important as grunts.
Your thoughts on my view, CPT Angela Wilder?

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Sep 26 at 2021 8:53 PM

MAJ Byron Oyler — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 20:53:03 -0400

This is something I feel women should discuss amongst themselves. If women are equal in the military then they should be equal in the draft. That being said, plenty of women are satisfied with the important role they play in society and have no desire to be a hunter or a killer. Is this kind of equality really what the majority of women want? I personally believe women hold a higher value to society and that men are expendable, so is the ability to fight and serve in combat arms really a move towards equality? I dont think so but that is something for you ladies to decide.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 9:14 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 21:14:14 -0400

It certainly oils the gears.

With the implementation of more unisex army standards it certainly removes a layer of consideration when that time comes.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2021 11:49 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Sep 2021 23:49:11 -0400

It should, but what should be is not always what will be. Though this does remind me of what one of my female captains once said, "Everyone wants equal rights until it punches you square in the teeth".

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2021 1:13 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:13:08 -0400

It should

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Sep 28 at 2021 1:17 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Tue, 28 Sep 2021 01:17:27 -0400

It certainly should. Fair is Fair. There should at this point be ONE PT Standard, One Height and Weight Standard and ONE standard for everything.

Response by PFC David Foster made Sep 28 at 2021 4:01 AM

PFC David Foster — Tue, 28 Sep 2021 04:01:55 -0400

Let's hope we never have to find out.... darn good question though... I would vote against it... We allowed women in the combat service to applaud them the equal rights they deserve, but I would be against entering them into the draft, but them, I am against entering boys into the draft as well... I don't think we will ever need to have another draft....

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Sep 28 at 2021 8:45 AM

SGT Patrick Reno — Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:45:31 -0400

Don't you think it should? Even if women are not going into combat roles there are plenty of non combat jobs . Look at the amount of women that served during WW2, most of our allies were drafting women. WW2 was a significant time for women, not just military service but moving into jobs that had been strictly male before. This is another big break out time for women in the military. So all things being equal, shouldn't they be subject to the draft?

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Sep 30 at 2021 4:59 PM

SPC Steven Depuy — Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:59:36 -0400

Should, but you never know these days. Equal has different meanings.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Sep 30 at 2021 5:11 PM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:11:00 -0400

If soft emotionally driven beta-males can serve than so can everyone else.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Dec 22 at 2021 4:53 PM

SPC Lyle Montgomery — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 16:53:59 -0500

I sure hope not. women do a fine job in the military but I feel that it wouldn't work in 11 bravo combat roles. It is a natural instinct of men to protect women. I was an 11 bravo combat vet. I know that alot of people will disagree with me but that is my opinion, that's all.

Response by Maj John Bell made Dec 22 at 2021 7:07 PM

Maj John Bell — Wed, 22 Dec 2021 19:07:46 -0500

Until women face the same possibilities of being drafted, it is difficult to maintain that women are equal to men. Until the assignment of women to combat arms and combat service support is mandatory vs voluntary, it is difficult to maintain that women are equal to men. If one wants to take the wind out of the objector's sails, all should be equal.