If you are ADOS while in the Guard and are working for a different command how much should your full time position affect your Evaluation?

2015-12-03T19:51:55-05:00

One thing that I have found very interesting is the Active Duty Operational Support (ADOS) positions within the National Guard. You could have an M-Day position that you will work at one weekend a month and two weeks a years. Then you have a position that is Active Duty. You are there Monday through Friday. Now you still have to have a Evaluation Report. How should it be shared between them? Should it be shared? How much should your full time position influence the Eval if your M-Day command writes it or how should your M-Day command influence the Eval if your leadership in your leadership in your full time position writes your Eval?

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 8:25 PM

2015-12-03T20:25:55-05:00

If you are on ADOS, your aligned CC is your only boss. It is equivalent to a deployment. You don't travel home from Afghanistan for drill weekends when they have you on Title10 for a deployment. You shouldn't spend time doing your drill status work whole you are ADOS.

That being said, your evaluation should reflect the amount of the year you did each of the jobs. If you were a traditional guardsman for 9 months and ADOS for 3, your split will be 75/25. If the opposite is true, 25/75. The exception may be if you had minimal impact during drill time.....you have much more opportunity to achieve things while on ADOS, so that percentage could be higher.

What Inwoukd avoid is, a 90% ADOS evaluation when only 20-30% of the year was spent on ADOS.

Bottom line - It depends.

Response by COL Vincent Stoneking made Dec 3 at 2015 8:33 PM

2015-12-03T20:33:31-05:00

TL/DR:You should get an evaluation for your ADOS duties. Any M-Day duties should be listed as "additional duties" or not at all.

I will first say what should, in theory, according to regulations, happen.

IF you are on ADOS orders, THEN that is your job for the length of your orders. You cannot LOGICALLY also have an M-DAY slot simultaneously. The reason is quite simple, you are already on active duty on the drill dates due to your ADOS orders.... You can only be in ONE pay status at a time, and that is where you owe your duty.

Simple. Tidy.

Now, over in reality-land....

You're going to have to play it by ear. The easiest way for the command to address what I just said above is to point out that you ARE in fact on orders for those drill days ANDALSO have an additional duty assignment of [M-DAY Role]. If they go that route, you SHOULD get your eval for your ADOS role with your M-DAY assignment listed in "Other Duties." This works well if your ADOS and M-DAY assignments nest. You're just dual-hatted in the same organization.

IF they DON'T nest (You're in State JFC on ADOS and a Rifle Co. as M-Day), the book answer is still that your M-DAY unit has NO legitimate claim on your time. SOME units and some states will take this approach. Some won't. I wouldn't suggest advancing the (correct) claim that they are not the boss of you, for at least half a dozen reasons. I would just ask for some somewhat official documentation that they expect you to perform both roles (which I would also ask for in the previous example as well). The logic for this is for coverage for line of duty issues as well as clarification of authority, especially if your ADOS is federal $$ and M-Day is state $$. Again, you can only be in one status, and that is ADOS - so what I said above still applies.

In reality, each state, unit, and commander is going to have their own take on how this should be done. I would shoot for the
1) Highest level rating chain first,
2) Most responsible title of position second.
With the duties for both listed - explicitly calling out the fact that you are on ADOS.

AND I wouldn't give any pushback on doing the drill weekends. (I know that's not a question you asked, but it is an issue I have seen raised at lot. So I want to address it.) The bottom line is ADOS orders are 24/7/365, so if you pull a weekend of duty a month, so be it.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 8:57 PM

2015-12-03T20:57:28-05:00

Sir,
Your evaluation should be based off of both positions. It should reflect what you do at your unit of assignment as well as what you do for ADOS. Do you work with a different command for ADOS? It can get tricky.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2015 10:54 PM

2015-12-03T22:54:08-05:00

When this situation has happened in the past, particularly for long term ADOS orders, I have known Soldiers to have an intermediate rater. I know that in the new OER system, this is greatly frowned upon, but I have an individual who on the AGR side works for the G4 and on the M-Day side is under my command. He has an intermediate rater that is the Deputy G4 and his rater and senior rater are in the traditional M-Day CoC.

Also, I always submit a support form for my OERs. I like to paint my own picture (if you will). Unless your rater wholly objects, I would write a support bullet: "Served on long-term ADOS with Recruiting & Retention Command blah blah"

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Dec 4 at 2015 12:09 PM

2015-12-04T12:09:01-05:00

This was a great topic, with lots of good wisdom being shared. Thanks for posting!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2015 10:40 PM

2015-12-04T22:40:37-05:00

Agree with most responses .. I am currently on ADOS and this is my second time as a ARNG member. I have only received one evaluation per year of course. Once I have it I send it to my parent unit for record keeping. Additional you are not obligated to attend drill dates or AT, as well as service member would be paying it and not unit funded last I have seen.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2015 11:23 PM

2015-12-08T23:23:21-05:00

This is wild, because the responses i'm seeing are wildly different from how it's done for me. ADOS time is treated as an additional duty, with the MDAY unit being the primary input and criteria for evaluation. This is because for me my ADOS position is not with an actual unit, but with the HRF, which is in this wierd in-between land of being a mission, not a unit, but still being structured like a unit. So, while I work for the HRF daily, almost 100% of my evaluation is based on MDAY criteria. It works out for me in the end though, because it just so happens that my battalion is one of the primary entities in the "mission" that is the HRF. so in practice, it does affect my evaluation. It was made very clear to me from the beginning though that my job in the HRF was contingent upon fully satisfying all MDAY responsibilities, and that THAT was my true primary responsibility.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2015 5:36 PM

2015-12-12T17:36:41-05:00

You should have a change of rater. Your unit should not be rating you, your ADOS Chain of Command should be rating you. Im on ADOS at NGB and thats how it works.

Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 6:51 PM

2015-12-23T18:51:23-05:00

As an Air Guard member I was quite confused when I first heard about this, in the Air Guard once on ADOS orders, you no longer report to your M-Day unit. There is one exception to this rule and that is Counter Drug Orders. I would hate to report to commands at the same time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2024 9:16 PM

2024-02-15T21:16:15-05:00

Where can I find the regs for this topic?