Posted on Jun 1, 2016
If you are considering going back to school, what do you perceive to be the barriers in your way?
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I am one of the officers for my university's chapter of Student Veterans of America and a Peer Advisor for student veterans. I would like to know how I can help my fellow veterans get the best education possible.
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 11
Just being a non-traditional student is difficult. Add a veteran who can think for themselves and has a military installed social filter!! Chaos. It is hard to sit in a classroom with children that only have high school as background experience. If possible, I highly suggest veterans go to community college first. That way they can get a feel for college and a smoother transition ( not every class will be filled with 18 year old know-it-alls). I also found it difficult to talk to teachers who failed me, because my opinion on a subject was the polar opposite of mine. I, unfortunately, went to a very liberal school.
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PO3 Jade Crowsmeadow
Sgt Gus Laskaris - No. She wanted me to write how walking on the US flag was a form of art. Referencing the art exhibit in Phoenix, Arizona where several flags were desecrated. Instead I pulled the articles of conduct concerning the proper use and display of the US flag.
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SSgt Ryan Sylvester
PO3 Jade Crowsmeadow - There is something to be said about the challenge of the assignment. I had a Dramatics class in high school (where I was a big part of the JROTC program) and was given a monologue piece that was incredibly anti-Gulf War. I got a B on the performance. In college, we did a Living in History game for most of a US History class, enacting a series of debates in the pre-Civil War era between Conservative elements and Abolitionists. In that, I played Senator John C. Calhoun, one of the biggest bigots in history and the man whose writing paved the way for Secession. The writings I had to do for that class, the sheer abhorrent language and wording, and doing so with passionate argument... some days, I came out of that class shaking my head. Even had to make a few apologies over the course of that class. It was a surreal experience, but I'll tell you, it really opened my eyes to what these people believed and how easily you can slip into the rhetoric.
Sometimes, you have to step outside your own beliefs, no matter how much it gnaws at every fiber of your being. You take a step aside and write, even if you say with every word, "This is so wrong."
Sometimes, you have to step outside your own beliefs, no matter how much it gnaws at every fiber of your being. You take a step aside and write, even if you say with every word, "This is so wrong."
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PO3 Jade Crowsmeadow
SSgt Ryan Sylvester - I applaud your ability to back down, but it is not something I chose to do, nor will choose to do. I am of the belief in standing tall for that which is right. There are somethings I will not compromise, especially for a grade.
You have your way of dealing with a situation, and I have mine. Each have their own set of consequences that will have to be dealt with. As I failed to care about my grade over my conviction, I passed the class with a D. A grade that in the scheme of things didn't matter. What mattered was that I stood up for what I believed in, what I fought for, and what other had fought for; my countries flag and the ideology behind it.
This will be the end of my part of the discussion on this matter. Thank you
You have your way of dealing with a situation, and I have mine. Each have their own set of consequences that will have to be dealt with. As I failed to care about my grade over my conviction, I passed the class with a D. A grade that in the scheme of things didn't matter. What mattered was that I stood up for what I believed in, what I fought for, and what other had fought for; my countries flag and the ideology behind it.
This will be the end of my part of the discussion on this matter. Thank you
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SGT Joshua Strup
PO3 Jade Crowsmeadow, I'm glad that you were able to pull yourself out of the darkness. My own demons almost cost me my education a few years ago. I agree with you that principles are more important than grades. As I said in my previous comment, I have been fortunate to have professors that have valued my military experience. Sgt Gus Laskaris, I must disagree with you. After secondary school, the student's job is not to be a bobble head. Analysis, if even if it disagrees with the professor, is the duty of a college student. It is the professor/instructor's job, in turn, to provide the appropriate rebuttals and provide the next challenge to the student's conclusions.
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Biggest suggestion I'd make is asking them, up front, if they are or should be going through the Vocational Rehab program. If I'd known about that when I started school, I'd be working on my Master's degree right now using my GI Bill, instead of having it eaten up in my undergraduate studies.
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SGT Joshua Strup
Excellent point! We push Voc Rehab hard at Michigan. We have an outstanding rep from the VA who comes each semester to brief the student veterans, as well as providing information about the program in our monthly newsletters.
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I still don't know much about the rehab program and I've looked at many related resources.
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SSgt Ryan Sylvester
Good to see a center taking an active role in the student veterans' education. Not that the Vet Services Office at Eastern was bad (though it certainly improved in strides later on), but we were often left to forge our own path. If you didn't have your own answers already set, they weren't exactly putting out the right questions to show you the options you had.
Of course, at 70%, VA in Detroit should have put me on that path themselves. But I digress...
Of course, at 70%, VA in Detroit should have put me on that path themselves. But I digress...
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Great question,
Counciling is an issue. What do you want? How old are you? A trade school might be better.
Out here in the civilian world, certifications are paramount for a trade. It has gotten so bad, insurance will not reimburse unless there are certifications.
If your fellow hard charger goes for a 1, or 2 year trade school. Look at the different certifications in that field.
As a compassionate and sensitive individual in this environment, watch your behavior. You have to act like you are on a date all the time. Do not tell anyone to get a dam hearing aid.
You have been warned.
Mark A. Morris BS, RDMS, RVT
Counciling is an issue. What do you want? How old are you? A trade school might be better.
Out here in the civilian world, certifications are paramount for a trade. It has gotten so bad, insurance will not reimburse unless there are certifications.
If your fellow hard charger goes for a 1, or 2 year trade school. Look at the different certifications in that field.
As a compassionate and sensitive individual in this environment, watch your behavior. You have to act like you are on a date all the time. Do not tell anyone to get a dam hearing aid.
You have been warned.
Mark A. Morris BS, RDMS, RVT
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SGT Joshua Strup
While I can't speak for all universities, the atmosphere on my campus is not as bad as what is often portrayed. The bad apples will always get more attention, unfortunately; however, most traditional students that I have encountered have both thanked me for my service and asked questions regarding my experiences. The faculty and staff have been very supportive, which was greatly appreciated as I dealt with some post-war issues. You bring up a good point with trade schools. My objective is to get veterans to the best education or training that suits their needs.
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