If you could offer advice to a prospective military recruit (regardless of service) about joining and planning a career, what would you say?

2017-05-30T11:44:40-04:00

Over the last couple of years, I've had the opportunity to talk to a few friends and family members that have contemplated joining the military. Looking back over your own experiences (before and after joining), what knowledge do you wish you would have had that you could pass on to prospective servicemen and women that would set them up for a successful career?

Response by SGT Edward Wilcox made May 30 at 2017 12:21 PM

2017-05-30T12:21:23-04:00

Have a thorough understanding of why you are joining and the job you want while in.

Response by LTC Joseph Gross made May 30 at 2017 12:32 PM

2017-05-30T12:32:30-04:00

Same as always. Talk to recruiters from reach branch to ensure you have the full story and know everything that is available. Likewise talk to those who have recently left the service or are still in service to get up to date information. And likely throw that information out as it is anecdotal and if the service member was/is unhappy then he is going to give you the wrong information. Check out some of the better on line sites like military.com for some good information as well.

Response by Carrie Corbin made May 30 at 2017 12:36 PM

2017-05-30T12:36:56-04:00

I'm not military, but as someone who has run the attraction and military recruiting strategies for major companies for last several years, and who has a daughter currently contemplating the military, I have some observations and advice for sure.

Observations/Things to consider:
- We ask kids to make decisions for the rest of their life (both college and military) before their brain is fully developed and before they have the ability to truly understand the impact of long-term decisions, i.e. consequential thinking.
- Military recruiters may over-exaggerate the portability and experience of certain jobs to translate over to the civilian world. I've seen too many kids join and be disappointed that a) their job wasn't what they thought it was going to be b) they were just assigned a job they had no interest in c) their job isn't something that has the portable training or experience they were told it would.

Advice:
1) Seek out military members to interview about their experience. Ask hard questions to understand their "why," how it turned out and if the person they are talking to (and their families) feel like it was worth it on the other side. Ask them to tell you the reasons why they think you shouldn't join the military and then discuss why you still think you should. This is the same thing I encourage employers to do with some of their not as fun jobs - show the ugly side and see if people are still interested. If they are - they are much more likely to be successful vs. people who are sold one thing and end up doing something they hate. Dis-engaged employees impact the efficiency of your team - whether military or corporate.

2) Ask yourself why you are joining and have a good answer. Translated: Have a goal - don't just join without a plan if at all possible.

- Do you simply have a strong desire to serve your country?
- Are you trying to get away from your parents and avoid college?
- Are you joining with the intent to be a lifer? If so, what's your end goal?
- Are you joining to get some training and a head start on a specific career and plan to use your GI Bill to attend college after?
- Do you want to be in leadership? If so, have you fully evaluated your options re ROTC and OCS vs. going enlisted first?

3) It's YOUR responsibility to understand what jobs are possible in each area of service and do your homework because of the military recruiters who exaggerate the transition probability of certain jobs. Do your own research, extensively, to understand:
- what the real career path is?
- does the experience and training you receive truly give you the option to submit for life experience or transferable training towards your college degree if you're planning to go to college after? (have heard from too many people that they are told it does, only to find out it doesn't, and they have to start from scratch once they get out).

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made May 30 at 2017 1:56 PM

2017-05-30T13:56:26-04:00

Since Carrie Corbin brought up the aspect that the frontal lobe isn't fully activated yet, I'll expand it to always work towards the long game. The long game is you're going to want or have to stop working someday. If you're interested in something, try it out. BUT, make sure you put your best effort into it, lest the reason you can't hold a job is you're just a lazy A. Look for the good aspects of what's going on around you. Work hard to rise above the nitnoid distractions. I'm sure I speak for most vets that whatever reasons we had in joining, time morphs how we think about how we felt way back when. Whatever I thought about "patriotic" back then changed when the pain came. Guess times have changed a lot in the recruiting world when the recruiter took me to a strip bar. They stretch the limits because their performance is graded on right body count at the right time.

For kids looking to come in, I'd stay away from topics like leadership, unit skills, etc. as that goes right over their head. I will tell them that the process of boot camp, A School, and first couple assignments should change them into full blown responsible adults. Then they can see more of what the future possibilities are from that point and then can work on heading in a suitable direction. This process typically takes a much shorter time than working the School of Hard Knocks on the outside. All of a sudden you're 35 and look where you're at and where can you go. Life is what you make of it. You just have to decide to take the blue pill or the red pill.

Response by LCpl Shane Couch made May 30 at 2017 3:06 PM

2017-05-30T15:06:59-04:00

It is really going to depend on the individual. Every person is going to have a different experience in the military and every service member is going to be able to give a different insight on how things are. A service member that is infantry is going to have a different experience than from someone who is transport or supply or admin. I would have them get on Rally Point and get opinions and insights from here.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2017 3:53 PM

2017-05-30T15:53:11-04:00

SFC Private RallyPoint Member Before considering a military or civilian career, perform extensive research and make detailed plans. Plans change, so be prepared to revise your plan with additional information. Anyone joining the military needs to think about the reasons that they want to join and talk to others that have served or are serving. RallyPoint is a good place for potential recruits to ask questions and learn from veterans and active duty men and women. As a recruit, it is best to listen closely and observe. Being squared away and working hard is the way to earn promotions. A military career will not last forever, so working on your education is a must. The military will provide many challenges and adventures with your fellow brothers and sisters.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2017 6:47 PM

2017-05-30T18:47:49-04:00

Throughout Basic Training, do what you are told, do it when you are told, and do it like you were told to it.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made May 30 at 2017 7:11 PM

2017-05-30T19:11:21-04:00

I would give them a gut check meeting. I would ask them if they're truly prepared to serve. I would explain what kind of dedication that entails. I wouldn't sugarcoat anything. Then I would ask if they understand that being a leader really means. Do they understand that as a leader they need to be of service not just to their superiors and the country at large, but their subordinates too. I would tell them that a career in the military only gets harder with rank. Then I would tell them about the familial aspect of service. That the key to success is to treat their unit as a family. If they understand that, they will be successful. Even if the only ever get as high as a squad leader, team leader or service member, having the loyalty and respect of their guys makes them a complete and total success. That is true success in the military. Now if you're referring to after the service, that's a horse of a different color. It's different for everyone and there's no one set of advice for the various career paths outside of the military.

Response by PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson made May 30 at 2017 11:41 PM

2017-05-30T23:41:39-04:00

Go to sea.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made May 31 at 2017 12:40 AM

2017-05-31T00:40:44-04:00

Everyone wants to join the military to kick down doors and take names. Sometimes though, you have to look at the big picture. What are you going to do after the military. Most people want to put the military in their rear view when they get out. I try to stress to people to pick and MOS that you can turn into a career whether or not you stay in the military.

I've been out of the military for 2 years, but I'm still doing my MOS because for one I liked and enjoyed doing it, and for two I'm damn good at it.

I hear a lot of people when they get out say things like "well I'm going to school" or "I'm going to work on my friend's uncle's roofing company". A lot of kids these days don't have an actual plan when they get out. But the military invested all this money teaching us a trade, so why not utilize that knowledge.

Every Marine I see, I tell them the same thing. It doesn't matter if you are getting out 20 years from now or 20 minutes from now, learn as much as you can until you get out so you can use this knowledge on the outside when you are out.