If you found out your Leader or Immediate Supervisor was doing something against the law, like fraud, what would you do?

2016-02-16T13:12:20-05:00

RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.

What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?

Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?

How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Feb 16 at 2016 1:15 PM

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I have already confronted one leader because of this issue COL Mikel J. Burroughs. It takes moral courage and the courage of your convictions plus a willingness to suffer the consequences of reporting or confronting your superior.
In one case the leader addressed my concerns and restated what he wanted to have happen - slight modification in wording for that action. No harm no foul.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Feb 16 at 2016 1:21 PM

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I would first resign and then report the fraud to the authorities.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 1:29 PM

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Unless you have solid evidence COL Mikel J. Burroughs , my choice of path would be to confront your superior, or consult with co-workers who have observed something similar to what you have. If said superior is giving push back, then I would definitely confront authorities

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Feb 16 at 2016 1:35 PM

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I had a boss who said, "don't worry about it" after being repeatedly asked about getting "leave in conjunction with TDY" put on his orders. My unit used a different pot of money, so I signed all TDY vouchers, including my boss'. He "borrowed" one of my crews' vehicles to visit family, hurting my mission timing...that was the piece I could not forgive. When I saw his voucher claiming per diem and rental car expenses for personal leave days (with no leave approved, BTW), I went two steps up and one step sideways on the chain, to someone I trusted. After sworn oaths to JAGs, an investigation, and paperwork, he was fired, given a LOR, and my next two OPRs were protected under whistleblower rules. The system worked as advertised. So if you see fraud, or abuse of authority, do not accept it. Go up the chain to someone you trust.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Feb 16 at 2016 1:37 PM

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The right thing to do is document it and turn your findings into the appropriate person to process. In todays society? I'm not sure I'd do that. Those "protections" aren't really doing a good job of "protecting" anyone, and it definitely kills your future employment chances. So you're left with a delimma...do the right thing and snitch, or do the right thing to your family and their lifestyles and keep quiet? The VA whistleblowers how are they doing these days?
My example would be some of the ETT/PRT/MiTT teams. We're given a certain amount to spend on projects to foster "good will" between the US and local populace each month. You could take the money out in US cash or Afghan money. There were teams out there who took the money and kept it. They'd provide all the right documentation, on time, and nothing was thought of it, UNTIL the right person began looking into it, soon it was an issue and folks were standing on the carpet explaining construction projects that never took place. A lot of folks knew this was going on, no one said a word. But once the contracting office caught wind, a LOT of CYA was going on, and those teams involved, found themselves in a world of hurt, and the rest of us with some GOOD jokes....as we were forced to sit through mandatory Re-training.

Response by CMSgt Mark Schubert made Feb 16 at 2016 1:42 PM

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One of two things would happen - they would turn themselves in, or I would. The best thing that could happen is that I convince them that they need to take responsibility for their actions and own up to it - take the punishment - fix it - and move on. If they fail to see that light, then I would make sure the proper authorities were notified. All this would happen in less than 24 hours. Yes - I have been in that situation and that *IS* exactly what happened - they understood that admitting it themselves was the right (best) thing to do - and it had to be done.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Feb 16 at 2016 2:01 PM

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I got the retaliation slap when I challenged my boss for using government material, machines, etc. to fabricate parts for his foreign car. So when I brought it up to the XO, that pretty much put the nail in my AD career. Somehow my performance declined. In retrospect, I was about 20 years early in calling this stuff out as the culture looked the other way. Another time in my life where doing the right thing early is frowned on.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 16 at 2016 2:11 PM

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I think I will sleep on it. I might even allow them to make up the loss if it is not significant. Anything in the thousands, I will report.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 16 at 2016 2:19 PM

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For those who mention Moral Courage, that is true. They will fight dirty.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Feb 16 at 2016 2:20 PM

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I was working retail a few years back. Found "indications" that the lead manager was Misappropriating (at best) and Stealing (at worst) from the company. Called the Hotline immediately. Did not pass go, did not collect $200.

The following day, before the Hotline report landed, another investigation had come to a head regarding him, and his boss (my boss' boss) asked me about it. I pointed to the Hotline report, and said as soon as I became aware of it, it was immediately reported. The blowback I got was "why didn't call me?" to which my immediate response was "I don't trust you" (based on previous history with him). Went over like a turd in a punchbowl.

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 16 at 2016 2:31 PM

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More than likely feed them rope until they hang themselves.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 2:50 PM

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Well for being a senior NCO and I found out my leader or immediate supervisor was breaking the law in some way or committing fraud I would tell him to go tell the commander and if not I would, cut and dry for it is called lead by example and in my opinion it is not being a whistleblower it is called doing the right thing and if the tables were turned around you can bet your bottom dollar that supervisor would burn your behind AR-15 plus the soldiers will see and hear about it so it is good to turn the thief in quickly,

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 3:10 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs Collect evidence and give it to higher. Report directly not through higher's entourage. Not even a questioning thought about about in my mind.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Feb 16 at 2016 4:02 PM

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Definitely turn them in, why confront a person that lacks integrity. Ultimately that person can make your career or life miserable.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 4:08 PM

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I would confront them first to let them make a move. It's just hard for me to tell on people lol

Response by SSG Jesse Cheadle made Feb 16 at 2016 4:41 PM

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It would have to depend on the issue at hand. What is the offense and how big is it? How many people are involved and at what level to they represent the organization. This would influence my decision to directly or indirectly approach the situation. The number of people may indicate the level of retribution recieved. Something petty like leave in conjunction with pass or TDY is manageable at my level. However, misappropriated funds and embezzlement is way above my pay grade. I have dealt with various issues and can say that the more involved and complex the issue the more indirect I would be at reporting it. Weigh the situation and make a determination to directly or indirectly report the situation. Lastly, do not allow it to continue.

Response by PO1 Richard Flaherty made Feb 16 at 2016 5:05 PM

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Hey, I am from Chicago so I sez, "Hey SIR, I get 7% of the action or I tell Greasy Thumb Goozick and his boys will stomp you into Keelbratwurst."

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Feb 16 at 2016 5:08 PM

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First I would make absolutely sure it was true without a doubt....then I would confront him/her....then I would tell them that they better stop and depending on the situation, I would tell them to either turn themselves in or I would.

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Feb 16 at 2016 5:36 PM

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I'd have to report them, because fraud hurts all of us.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 5:59 PM

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This has happened to me, quite a number of times actually.
I'll share one story.
So while in Iraq in 2008, I picked up the Sons of Iraq contract for the Cavalry Squadron I was supporting in the 2d SCR. I was tasked to go over to one of the sister squadrons to learn from the "guru" a Captain in their S9 shop. It didn't take long to find irregularities as he was showing me how he was doing the contracting, but the big one was on the exchange rate - a very clever way to hide the skimming and kickbacks he was doing.
At that time, the Iraqi Dinar to Dollar exchange rate fluctuated a LOT, and by fixing it at a rate used in an earlier contract, he was able to purloin thousands of dollars as the ID appreciated. He'd draw Dinar at the daily rate from Finance, which he'd subsequently clear, but pay on the contract the fixed amount. He'd then pocket the difference, mailing it home.
I reported what I saw, but the Squadron leadership wasn't really interested in what a Reserve E-8 supporting another unit had to say. Finance didn't seem bothered by it either, even going so far as auditing ME when my contracts reflected correct rates and I had money left over to turn in.

I found out later that he had "friends" in Finance and the APO to assist him.
He got busted when the dumbass bought a BMW M5 with cash and a bunch of electronics. No AC O-3 could afford that, so the dealership reported him and the FBI rolled him.

I got a couple of emails after he was caught from his unit asking how I had figured out there was a problem. I explained what I could, and they found more parties to the scam by digging into the contracts.
The unhappy ending for the Captain was getting thrown out of the Army and a seven year stint in a federal prison.

Response by SSgt Billy Chisum made Feb 17 at 2016 10:51 AM

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Handle it at the lowest level while keeping a paper trail. If it didn't stop, if go straight to the IG

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2016 11:22 AM

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I experienced an issue when I was a PFC working in an Electronic Maintenance Shop. I had a superior that was using with cheap fabricated pieces to repair equipment just to get it fixed and out of the shop. While it seemed like a good idea it did not provide the same quality and durability that the original parts would have. I brought it to his attention and he told me this is just how they do it and I'm fresh out of school so I shouldn't be questioning him. I eventually brought it up to my Warrant Officer who was unaware of these practices and they were stopped immediately. I did get some crap for a while from some of the other guys for creating more work for everybody but it eventually blew over. Sometimes the best lessons we can learn from superiors is what not to do.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Feb 17 at 2016 1:21 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs - Mikel; Stand by your principles (and your oath). Report immediately upon confirmation of wrong doing.

Response by Sgt Mike Williams made Feb 18 at 2016 9:56 AM

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Integrity check! The higher up it goes the more courage it takes but, it is your duty to report it. You may also have to plan your exit strategy if it is a civilian job.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 12:25 PM

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My first official duty as Company CO was to fire the 1SG. The previous CO had been relieved for cause and as his replacement I had to fire the 1SG. Dude was stealing lawn equipment from the barrack maintenance/storage connex and selling it at the local pawn shop.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 5:16 PM

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Had a 1SG and commander routinely cheating on their wives in recruiting command. I was newly divorced (and they ignored most of the recruiters, as far as ignoring my divorce paperwork THEY sent to BN for me) and was out with another recruiter (SFC) and his wife. My girl and I (I was a SSG) got to the club early and ran into the commander (Major) and a lovely woman, who was not his wife. He asked if anyone else was coming and I told him my buddy was. They had been trying to get rid of my buddy for a while at this point, and you could see the fear in my commanders face. They did everything they could to shut us up, including ruining my last USAREC NCOER and threatening me with cheating on my spouse... Neither got in trouble for this incident, but both got slammed for stealing funds for Future Soldier events from recruiters. But they drug the recruiters down with them. Luckily I was already gone.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 5:19 PM

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turn them in. do not get yourself caught up in their lies because they could try and drag you into it with them.

yes, you have rights as a whistleblower. speak with a jag officer to protect yourself.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Feb 20 at 2016 9:37 AM

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To tell the Truth, it would depend on their rank and reputation around the base. If they are a full bird Col. Or higher, I would take that as a sign from God to request a personal meeting with them. And explain to them that if a low enlisted rank individual like me caught him , how long does he think he has before one of his peers expose him or her ? Then have a quick come to Jesus talk, and then ask for a transfer to the other side of the country, and take that secret to the grave.

Response by SFC Jimmy Williams made Feb 5 at 2019 8:13 PM

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Our battalion commander gave an unlawful order to the company CDR's and 1st SGT's. when they balked, he intimidated them into doing it. Several NCO's requested to see the CG on his open door policy. After a month of intimidation and delays, some of them backed down three called the CG's office and told them what was happening. The general had them brought to his office the next day. After an IG investigation, the BC and company CDR's were relieved and the 1st sgt's were given letters of reprimand.
The lesson is report it but make sure you have the endurance to stay with it and be sure of who you report it to.

Response by Cpl Ed Hines made Feb 6 at 2019 6:20 PM

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Is blackmail a viable option?

Response by SGT George Smith made Feb 6 at 2019 7:18 PM

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No question. Turn him in.

Response by SGT Greg McCall made Feb 6 at 2019 10:45 PM

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As an MP, I had to arrest my old platoon sergeant
It was awkward, but I was MPI, and well..thems the breaks

Response by PO1 Steve Newton made Feb 6 at 2019 10:52 PM

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Easy one for me COL. I was law enforcement in and out of the military. And I made a couple of sacrifices to do the right thing. Would I do it again? ------- Yes. It's called HONOR

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2019 11:04 PM

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I turned in my CO for travel fraud when I was XO. I went to the IG and NCIS got involved. Things got messy, he was relieved and I faced reprisal for reporting this crime to the IG. Made me tougher and a better leader having to go through that ordeal. Never look the other way to fraud.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2019 12:09 AM

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Aren't all the leaders kind of doing something fraudish by purposely wasting money at the end of the fiscal year so their budget doesn't lower in the next year?

Response by TSgt Rudy Adame made Feb 7 at 2019 9:07 PM

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If I was under his leadership I would not , expose him.

Response by PO1 TheBee Ef A made Feb 7 at 2019 10:09 PM

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I wasn't the whistle blower, but when I was in deployment in the Navy as an E5, there was a Chief in Admin I didn't really care for. I was in a 150 man berthing, and one morning I get out my rack, and I see this Chief sweeping the deck in our berthing. I was wondering WTF was going on, and noticed he had E3 insignia on his coveralls. I didn't even know you could get busted down 4 ranks at once. Evidently, he was adding things to travel claims (we were a helicopter squadron and did a lot of traveling) and skimming the excess somehow, so the people turning in their travel claims still got what they expected, and never knew about it. I have no idea how he got caught, but I heard he made over $300k over a 10 year period doing it.

Response by PO2 Karl Lehn made Feb 7 at 2019 10:11 PM

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I was in a command where the entire officer staff was taking thing home from work. Not just pens either. Electronics, wood, sheet metal, etc. I was the command's colleratal duty law enforcement petty officer. I made the mistake of talking to XO and CO about it. My ass bit the dust. They made my life a living hell. 20 years later I learned one of them, a CWO, got caught and is still serving time.

Response by LTC Stephan Porter made Feb 8 at 2019 9:34 AM

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So, to answer the question, I would talk to or report them (depending on what the level of fraud was). Learning the how and when to report and to whom is hard sometimes. Here is a situation that I learned from...

I was asked to take the company command of the hospital at Ft Lee. There was an E-8(P) that had an affair with one of the nurses (a MAJ). His wife brought up the charges, but withdrew them. They had to then let the NCO head to the SGM’s Acad. I was called months later while in CAS3 by the Cdr of the battalion I was headed to. She heard I “knew” her incoming CSM (the E-8 from the hospital) and I recommended she call the former hospital commander, which she did. I find out later there was already friction between the CSM and the BC due to his request to delay of 6 months when they had already been with lout a CSM for several months (got pulled to BDE).

When I arrived the friction was evident, but he remembered me and was “cool” towards me and all seemed well.

About 7 months later the BC changed out and the CSM and Er had a much better relationship and again all seemed well. However, after about 6 months I started hearing the same comments from Soldiers about the CSM that I had heard at FT Lee. I approached the XO and she told me not to saw anything unless I had proof. So, I remained silent.

Well, the CSM went on PTDY to FT Bliss (it seems to see his “honey” that he had there). His wife brought his car and all his stuff to his parking spot and Brit forward charges again. He eventually was “allowed to retire” and that was all.

He was using government resources and Soldiers in his dealings. However the BC and the prosecutors were not willing to do a CM.

Interestingly my relationship changed with the BC for the worse and I received a lack luster OER out of command after that!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2019 12:13 PM

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The right thing to due is to report to the proper higher individual in your chain of command. But, from experience I can tell you I had a situation which I did so, and it cost me my next promotion due to retaliation. They tried their darndest to bust me from the current rank I was at by right me up with one counseling statement after another. I think I ended up with 12 or 14 counseling statements. They told me that those would stay in the section itself. But. they didn't. Another SM also did what I did and was busted from E-5 to E-4 and they told him that he would get his rank back once we returned stateside. I saw him a few years later and he was still and E-4. So, all I can say is you know what is right to do but, the consequences could be bad. Just s=telling you what happened to me. It's sad that this goes on but, the question is; "what should you do?" The regulation states to report violations without the fear of retaliation. Again, even though I had proof and went to the IG and JAG when I was being retaliating against, I was told by the IG that he was there for the Command. JAG told me that they couldn't do anything for me because they were there for the Command. So, I was disappointed and went into depression where I went to the Bridge Chaplain and Hospital for help which I received massive help but, never was able to receive my nest promotion to the next level. I saw my military career spiral down to where I was never so happy to see my end date when it came. I was a hell of a Trooper who did everything asked and went above and beyond to live the Army Ethos. But, at the end I was disappointed and left with a really bad taste in mouth. I knew what I did was right but, at the same time I watched all those around me pass me up in rank and career advancement. Very sad but very true.

Response by SGT Kyle Heintz made Feb 8 at 2019 2:21 PM

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Report it and watch nothing be done about it over and over again. Good ol boy system. I've solved more with violence than I ever have with reporting things correctly up the chain of command. Ive reported sexual assualts, that were swept under the rug. A fellow recruiter I served with, was sleeping with high school students from one of the schools we recruited from. I Think some were under 16.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Feb 8 at 2019 2:24 PM

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Give them the chance to go forward and admit to it first... if they choose not to,...
Bring it to those higher up to deal with the sit-rep ...

Response by Sgt John H. made Feb 8 at 2019 2:32 PM

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I guess it depends on the "what" they were doing. There are levels to confront and give a chance for them to do the right thing and their are things that must be turned in..

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Feb 8 at 2019 3:04 PM

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Today, as a professional license holder beholden to a comprehensive Ethics code, I would confront the supervisor first and tell him that I have to let the chain of command know what is going on. If this does not stop, then I need to consult the police or the FBI. I cannot allow my name to be attached or associated with anything I am doing because my own career depends on good professional standing, like not going to jail for willingly or negligently including myself in my supervisor's fraud. And losing my license to practice. My signature stands for integrity and I will not lie for a client. If it comes down to it, I have leave the company to protect myself and my standing and cooperate fully with any investigation that is coming.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Feb 8 at 2019 3:42 PM

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Contact the IG if that person did not work for the Boss, or the next level up if necessary in question back that up with a letter to my Congress-critter at a minimum and make sure that the folks I notify know that Congress has been formally notified also

Response by LTC Jeff Shearer made Feb 8 at 2019 4:03 PM

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COL first I would have to say that is not a black and white issue. If they were robbing banks, running drugs, etc... that would be a bad thing and bad things would follow. However, if they took a lobster home that was day early or late in the season, or would drive 5, 10, or 65 miles over the speed limit I might think eh just guy.

COL I am sorry I even started this as I re read what I have written I realize that is complete and total nonsense. The truth is your IQ might have fallen just from reading it.

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Feb 8 at 2019 7:52 PM

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Didn't happen in the military but did happen to me as a police officer and I reported him. He lost his job, we were supposed to enforce the law not break it.

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Feb 8 at 2019 8:03 PM

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In a heartbeat! I’d go the JAG and find out what my options were and drive-on!

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Feb 8 at 2019 8:17 PM

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Inform them that I was turning them in then turn them in

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Feb 8 at 2019 8:19 PM

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I have been faced with this. I observed theft on the part of my boss. He was well connected in our company. I mulled it over a while. In the end, despite the possible repercussions, I turned him in. His boss and a member of Loss Prevention came in to interview me. They grilled me as though I had done something wrong. I was very uncomfortable afterwards. 1 week later they returned, unbeknownst to me, to interview my boss at a local hotel. They didn't conduct the interview. Instead they sent him home because he was under the influence. A week later they interviewed him at the corporate office. It turned out he was fired for stealing thousands of dollars. I felt vindicated and gratified. His wife came in to pick up his stuff since he wasn't allowed back. She made it perfectly clear that she didn't appreciate me. Despite the weeks of being uncomfortable, I would do it again. He paid the business back over a period of time and the business would incur no further losses from him.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Feb 8 at 2019 8:30 PM

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I'd be on the phone to CID quick, fast and in a hurry. Turned in an SFC with 18 year service for filing a fraudulent travel voucher. We were on the same TDY, and he claimed lodging costs. It cost us nothing for lodging. He scanned an old hotel receipt, did some magic, and filed the claim. I reported his ass pronto. He ended up a private at Leavenworth.

Response by Cpl Tyler Therrien made Feb 8 at 2019 8:43 PM

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Something serious like fraud which is a breech of public trust must be reported as would be theft, rape, murder etc. These things can not be overlooked & must be addressed even at the highest levels.

Response by CAPT Steve E. made Feb 8 at 2019 8:56 PM

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There are hotlines for most ethical lapses, however many situations require a name which will likely become known to the perp(s), I would like to think most people would report it, either via the chain of command or through NIS, CID or similar routes. If you do not report it, you may be deemed culpable down the road when it does come out. Fat Leonard is a good case study in the blowback that occurs when it does.

Response by MSgt Jim Cheek made Feb 8 at 2019 9:01 PM

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Worked with a ass hole captain We had a mutual hate for each other. He would come in every morning, put his Harmon his desk and disappear. My partner was a former security policeman. He asked me if I smelled booze on the Captain. We started watching him. He would leave the office for a hiding place in the hangar where he would meet friends and drink. We went to our director who called the Wing Commander. Next morning the OSI showed up at their secret meeting place. The captain lost his PRP so had to move. He went to personnel

Response by Lt Col Jim Bemis made Feb 8 at 2019 11:35 PM

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My boss faced down a senior officer who wanted to continue a practice that we had determined was illegal. My boss made it clear that he was not backing down, and would report the officer to the installation commander if the officer persisted in conducting the illegal activity. As the installation commander had already been briefed about the illegal practice, and had authorized shutting it down, my boss's position was a safe bet. Even so, the level of physical and psychological intimidation by the senior officer was something to behold.

As you might have guessed, my boss won that argument.

Response by Capt Elmer Lupton made Feb 8 at 2019 11:51 PM

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Not in the military, but in a civilian job in a small company, I was ordered by the people financing our company to ship materials as USDA accepted when they were not. I declined, saying "There are worse things than a bankruptcy." I was fired a week later. There are worse things than a bankruptcy.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2019 11:51 PM

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Real easy.......the Army doesn’t ask us to have Personal Courage.....it requires it. See something wrong, report it. Don’t be a coward.

Response by Sgt Ron Harris made Feb 9 at 2019 12:23 AM

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I had an experience in the spring of 1967. I was an E-3,in just over a year. Due to an auto accident I was working in supply rather than my AFSC. We had a rash of MD 3 generators coming in off the flight line with cable/cable head damage because the cables weren't stacked properly on the generator. If i remember right (i got out in '69), the MD 3 had 1 AC Gen. and 3 DC gen., each with 30 ft. of cable each attached to a breaker. A MD 3A had an AC and 1 DC Gen, a MD 3M had 1 AC and 2 DC generators. A MD 3 already had 90 ft. of cable stacked on it. All of the generators also had a60 ft. refueling AC cable on them. The 60 ft. had 2 cable heads, 1 on each end. (The generator would be parked farther away from the aircraft for refueling.). One end of the refueling cable would be for the aircraft the other would be plugged into an external power compartment. The cable heads were marked HIVALUE and had a serial number and would have to be turned in to get a replacement. The cables were marked DIFM-HIVALUE. (Due In for Maintenance). Had to turn the old to get the new. Now, SAC had a Big R Suggestion program then, and I decided to make one, as there was a award given if SAC bought it. I probably made a mistake in asking our QC Inspector about how I should go about putting one in, but I was young and dumb, and asked him about it. Well, "If it's a good one, I'd be happy to help you with it."

My suggestion was to eliminate the 30 ft cable, attach the 60 ft to the brkr. there by saving 30 ft of cable and 2 cable heads.Thereby giving more room to stack cables and less chance of the cables falling off during transport. It would make a big savings.

Well guess what, he helped me all right - he put it in as his suggestion! SAC bought it and HE was awarded $900.00! Think about it. $900 bucks, as an E3, I'm making less than $100 a month! To me that was a chunck of change! Now it gets better! The replacement cables w/cable heads came in free and clear! no DIFM, no HIVALUE! So the shop is changing them out and piling the old cables in the corner. One Saturday,I went in for stand-by duty and there was SSgt. .... I know his full name but I won't put it here, had his POV in the hanger loading his trunk up! He gave me a song and dance about how he had to make sure this all got back to Col. Obus. OK, I didn't buy that for a second, but I didn't rat on him. I had visions of me, an E3 making waves for a ssgt. I'd wind up in deep dodo! The out come was for the rest of my time there, I could do no wrong in the shop and always got expert on my evaluations.

Response by SCPO John-florida Killin made Feb 9 at 2019 3:05 AM

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I was the command senior chief in a Navy MIUWU, a small reserve command charged with port security and coastal defense. We had a chronically unemployed ne'er do well first class petty officer who was continually borrowing lunch money from his subordiantes, usually new guys to the unit, and then not paying it back. I became aware of the problem when they complained and went after him...come to find out he was pretty much running amock. He got a room in the BEQ for a two week active duty period and then overstayed for several weeks. When he needed a vehicle, he would put on his uniform go to the reserve center and check out a jeep or truck without authorization. He was known to appear uninvited at the homes of our officers during the month asking for financial assistance and a place to sleep. I wrote up a performance evaluation on this guy which should have ended his career, but the reserve center CO and E9 felt he needed help. The 1.0 marks i gave him were upgraded to 2.somethings, and even though our CO gave him the boot, he resurfaced in another MIUWU in Texas. For all I know, the thieving SOB probably made CPO, maybe even higher...given the Navy's unwillingness to end him.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2019 4:40 AM

2019-02-09T04:40:03-05:00

I never faced this with a supervisor. The closest thing was a few years ago, not in the military but in the Civil Service. A peer who also a retired O-5 had made a understandable mistake. She used the wrong alias and sent a very restricted document to over 500 recipients instead of the authorized eight. When I relieved her on shift, she would be coming back in 12 hours to relieve me. What was neither understandable nor unacceptable was that the incident was not logged and the relevant emails in our Desk Officer account had been deleted. I discovered it because a copy had gone to my individual account that she could not delete. My response at pass-down was that she had the next shift to amend our log, make the proper security notifications, and follow-up with our Desk Coordinator/rater. If not, those notifications would come from me during my next shift in another 12 hours. She did the right thing and the consequences were minimal.

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Feb 9 at 2019 6:52 AM

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Or when you report your ex-wife (MI 1LT in a strategic unit)) of criminal activity/UCMJ violations such as lying on her SF-86 (past employment as an exotic dancer [yes I know, how cliche of me] and drug use to name but a few) and attempting to facilitate the sale of narcotics between her sister and a fellow MIBOLC student and perjuy, and it gets chalked up as a “letter-writing campaign” by a complicit JAG... and no, whistle-blower protections were not only not afforded but reprisals were supported by both commands. Welcome to the new military.

Response by SFC Francisco Rosario made Feb 9 at 2019 6:56 AM

2019-02-09T06:56:20-05:00

If were to see this or find out about it, i would report it with as much evidence as possible. That individual is not a leader in my opinion. That individual should have never been allowed to be in such a position. Granted hind-sight is always 20/20, and we would not know about it until that individual was caught. None the less if i dont do anyhting about it then i am as guilty as that individual.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Feb 9 at 2019 8:41 AM

2019-02-09T08:41:04-05:00

One of the things I appreciated about the military is that I could influence how my superiors did their job. We knew what our responsibilities were if my superior was screwing up then I would bring it to their attention diplomatically and if nothing changed I found someone above him who was interested in his behavior. On the alternative I needed to be attentive to those I led and served to be doing my job properly leading and serving their needs. I am not sure I would have approached my superior first if there was severe criminal behaviors as it would not be beneficial to your unit who needs the pathology removed quickly

Response by SSG Scott Mitchell made Feb 9 at 2019 9:24 AM

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While assigned to a small shop on Ft Bliss, I was asked to assist the supply sergeant with the monthly office supply run. She needed help because she was on permanent profile. We headed over to the local Staples office store in her car with the unit credit card in hand. While at the store, she gave me a list of office supplies and told me to take a cart and get everything on the list. She took another cart and headed off in another direction. I assumed she had another list. After I found everything on my list, we met up to checkout. Both carts of supplies were loaded on the belt and rung up and paid for with the government credit card she possessed. The total was over $1000. When we got back to our office, she had me take in only the supplies i had got in my cart. She said she would bring in the other bags later. I didn't question it and went about my business but had a feeling something was off. The next month, she requested I go with her again on the supply run and the NCOIC told me to assist her. This time I watched more carefully what she bought and noticed that some of the things that were on my list were also on her list. Not trying to make trouble and second guessing myself, I jokingly asked why she was buying the same items she had given me a list to buy. She came right out and bluntly told me half of the supplies went to the office and the other half went to her house. She knew I only had a few months left at the unit before i was scheduled to PCS and told me that's why she requested I go with her. She also mentioned that she was an E-5 and I was an E-4 and her word would be believed more than mine plus I was helping her. I'd never been in a position like that before, so I kept my mouth shut and PCSed to my next duty station. Looking back, I wish I would have said something but that unit was so messed up I don't think anyone would have taken it seriously.

Response by SGT Walter Lester made Feb 9 at 2019 10:40 AM

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I wouldn't hesitate to report them if I knew for a fact that they were committing a fraud.
No one is above the law or regulations for violating the law because of their position or
rank.I wouldn't care about the outcome reguardless.

Response by SGT Marika Waiters made Feb 9 at 2019 10:49 AM

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I think I answered this way back when. But I was confronted with this scenario several times while on active duty. I confronted the leader(s), and then reported them. In the end, after the war, they found a way to force me out of the military. It wasn't productive for me but later I found out nearly all involved in the "happy" little unlawful bunch were either booted, busted down, or forced to retire. It took IG & other investigative arms to get thru their investigations but at least it got those piss poor leaders out of the military!

Response by SFC Joseph A. Anderson made Feb 9 at 2019 11:16 AM

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I retired from Army Finance after twenty years. In my early years, I was the NCOIC of the Travel Branch. I turned in many soldiers to the CID for fraud on their travel vouchers, to include an entire rifle team, representing the base I was stationed at the time. Later on, I found that A Major was issuing TDY orders without proper funds to back them up, a gross violation and turned him in. Unfortunately, his command transferred funds to cover him. I have testified before court martials for at least 5 soldiers as a witness for the government for fraud for TDY payments. A Captain, A SFC, Two SGT's and A SP4 were all discharged because of it. In Addition, A SGT was denied re-enlistment and an SFC with 16 years was forced out because of a 10.00 fraud. Never could understand why they would try to get away with that. My favorite was turning down a payment to a Colonel who demanded that I pay him his rental car that was not authorized on his orders. I was an E-5 at the time in charge of the travel section. He as much as ordered me to pay him. He try to intimidate me and asked me if I knew who he was, Of course, I was respectful and told him when he got authorization for the rental car (an amendment to orders) I would be glad to include that payment but until then no can do. He was furious. He spoke to my Commander (Major) and the Major came to my office and asked me to pay him. I told him I couldn't without proper documentation. The Major proceeded to take the completed voucher, added the rental car, and took the Colonel to the cashier's cage to get paid. I called the CID and told them the entire story. The next day, the Colonel showed up at my office with an amendment order authorizing the rental car and an apology to me. The Major refused to allow me an extension to take my family overseas and told me that my new Commander would maybe do it. At least it was the right thing to do.

Response by SPC Tom DeSmet made Feb 9 at 2019 11:28 AM

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If I knew for sure the person would no longer be my boss, of course it's easy. However, it's never a slam dunk. Along with RHIP comes the ability for that same boss to turn around and use their position to become the most vindictive SOB in your life and make it their personal mission to throw you under every bus within the continent you are serving on. Unfortunately it is in the eyes of the beholder as to whether the deck is stacked against them or if they will be kept whole by the people that "talk" about an open door policy. I have been the "beholder" and that open door has hit me quite hard in the back side. It is not human nature for an offender to smile at the person who is about to hang them. Hopefully things are better these days, but I have my doubts! Sorry.

Response by 1SG James Matthews made Feb 9 at 2019 11:29 AM

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Depends on the type leader he or she was. If they were respected by his or her staff I would have a private talk with them to find out the reason. If not I would request a meeting with his or her superior to find out it they were aware of the situation . Depending on that meeting what additional steps would be taken.

Response by SFC Joseph A. Anderson made Feb 9 at 2019 11:54 AM

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I have had two civilian jobs after retirement. I have reported both of them for fraud. One to the Medicaid Fraud Division/ FBI and one to Securities and Exchange Commission. The Medicaid Fraud Division was given actual fraud documents and amazed me when they said, how are we supposed to prosecute them This coming from Lawyers who should know after seeing the documents I provided and explaining the fraud which was plain as day, The FBI agent was very interested as he had been trying to get this company for years. I moved to another state and they never took any action. So, I guess 5 Million a year is not enough to take action on. The other company I worked for, an Oil and Gas Company was selling shares without a license. In fact, they sold shares for an oil well that came up dry, then resold shares for the same well and pocketed the money. As I explained to the SEC for four hours, they promised not to charge me, but would use me as a witness. As soon as I left their office, I returned to work and the boss called me in. He pulled a gun on me and told me to get out of the building. He knew where I had been. I had told no one. The next few weeks were hell as people called my house, threatened to kill me and my family, burn my house down with us in it, kill my children, etc. I quickly found a government job in another state and we moved asap. I spent the next 5 months trying to get the money he owed me for wages through the Tex Emp Com. Finally, two years later, I received most of the money he owed me. I found out later that the SEC close his company.

Response by SPC Matt Johnson made Feb 9 at 2019 12:36 PM

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I remember a case where a civilian female contractor was raped and nailed in a box for i don't remember how long and almost died. she survived but ended up with brain damage and PTSD. the soldiers involved got only a slap on the wrist. she got sent back to the states and let go from her contractors job. the whole chain of command deserved to be put in jail for what happened to that woman. her attackers are still free today. technicalities and evil fucking people in command positions allowed soldiers to get away with the gang rape and torture of an innocent women. I only know of it because I met the women.

Response by Cpl Geoff Smith made Feb 9 at 2019 1:26 PM

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If They're doing something "wrong" confront them, if it's illegal, turn them in. By wrong, I mean something within the spirit, but not the meaning of law or rule

Response by Maj Wayne Crist made Feb 9 at 2019 3:15 PM

2019-02-09T15:15:30-05:00

No matter what you have to do the right thing.

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Feb 9 at 2019 3:54 PM

2019-02-09T15:54:01-05:00

We set him up for a sting.... Europe, Black-marketing Cigs and Booze. He was conning some of the Non-smokers/Non-drinkers in the unit for their rations as well. This was in '79/'80, heard he did the Retraining BDE. route because he swung by the Med Det. to retrieve some personal gear he left behind ab out a year after I PCSed.

Response by PO2 Patrick Powell made Feb 9 at 2019 4:19 PM

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This is what happens to an FAA inspector who becomes a whistleblower about airline maintenance. FAA employs many veterans. http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safety_Issues/FAA_Inaction/Diefenderferletter-1.html

FAA Alaska Airlines Lead Inspector BEFORE AS261 Fired For Doing Her Job

Mary Rose Diefenderfer is a former airline pilot and FAA Safety Inspector, still haunted and hounded by the FAA, her former employer.

Response by SGT James Murphy made Feb 9 at 2019 5:30 PM

2019-02-09T17:30:39-05:00

Geeezzzzzz.......... Enough Guys already don't trust us.........What are Ya trying to do?

Response by 1SG Dale Cantrell made Feb 9 at 2019 7:40 PM

2019-02-09T19:40:47-05:00

I had a Cpt who after he rotated out , we were tormented by bill collectors, hot checks and furniture stores on missing rentals , I MSG, reported his activity to the IG at his next station

Response by SGT Joshua Bressel made Feb 10 at 2019 1:42 AM

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My first tour in Iraq, one of the base supply NCOs got caught selling US Army property, particularly generators, to the local Iraqis. I knew the guy, and I had told him it was a bad idea, and wasn't right. When our FOB came up short on gennys, I was PISSED, since we couldn't even fully run power to all parts of the FOB. I dropped a detailed letter under the company commander's door, with everything I knew, and 3 days later, MPs were escorting him out of his CONEX, in hand cuffs. Apparently, the generators were right where I said they'd be.

Response by MSgt Sean Griffin made Feb 10 at 2019 8:06 AM

2019-02-10T08:06:17-05:00

Keep mouth shut and take cover. DOD civilian hiring so crooked every civilian knows abuses. DOD brought back 180 day waiting period but they left a back door. Get a waiver. Hold the decision months.

Response by SFC James Beason made Feb 10 at 2019 9:51 AM

2019-02-10T09:51:30-05:00

Doesn’t the UCMJ cover such under Art. 32, bear in mind I’ve been retired for 30 years , I could be wrong.

Response by SGT Sean Moore made Feb 10 at 2019 10:35 AM

2019-02-10T10:35:52-05:00

In the 90’s, when I was an E4, I had a SGT/E5 first line supervisor that popped hot for cocaine on a piss test in late January. Keep in mind that at the time cocaine was only detectable by urinalysis for about 72 hrs (3 days) after consumption. So, he swore up and down he didn’t do it and that the best he can figure is that a month earlier while home on leave for Christmas someone must have slipped something in his drink without him knowing. BULL$#!+! Anyway, everyone from our NCOIC up to our full bird regimental commander bought his boohoo BS story and let him off scott free. His leadership style was toxic (no pun intended) so when he beat the charge despite solid evidence, he was even worse.

Response by SGT Kevin Allen made Feb 10 at 2019 3:45 PM

2019-02-10T15:45:15-05:00

I worked for a CPT (92Y) that looked and acted like he was on steroids, it wasn't till they (I got to transfer units before they deployed) went to Afghanistan that his addiction became horribly apparent, I didn't get all the facts, but in the end, his whole cav troop ended up tieing him to his cot, with the help of the 1SG, and he lost his bars and spent time at Leavenworth.

Response by A1C Lexas Granger made Feb 10 at 2019 4:08 PM

2019-02-10T16:08:55-05:00

Well, now I’ve been fired in my past by conspiracy. There were 3 people I worked with that claimed I used a racial slur at work and my boss, who didn’t like me either, used the excuse to fire me.

I couldn’t do anything with three people framing me for something I never do. My family was shocked, and my wife thought they were crazy. I’m one of many people who don’t like using any word that is demeaning or racist. I’ve only used demeaning words in situations where people thought I was joking, and racial slurs are literally like vomit in my mouth.

I grew up in the deep south past the age of 7 so the diversity in my schools were high. I made many friends of the entire color spectrum and enjoyed their time.

Hearing that they were terminating me due to racial slurs was frustrating and angered me immediately. When I received that call I hung up on the Plant Manager and HR.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made Feb 10 at 2019 6:28 PM

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Document, document and then document some more, everything. Even if the offence is non-life threatening or mission critical (but just plan wrong) because getting away with that kind of behavior encourages worse. If it is minor offence (with documentation in hand) respectfully approach the superior in private and let them know that kind of behavior cannot be tolerated and will stop from this point forward. If it is a major offence, (with documentation in hand) inform their superior immediately! You have then done your due diligence and cannot be held as a co-conspirator for knowing and not saying anything. Also be very careful of who you discuss this with among your peers.
I had to do this with an alcholic platoon sergeant who was a good soldier but was drinking on duty. After the first option did not work, I had to let the 1st sergent know. He had his own suspicions about the matter. I hated the whole situation but it was necessary.

Response by SMSgt Tom Burns made Feb 10 at 2019 8:17 PM

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First depending on the severity of the situation I would confront the person, committing the offense. If it continued, I was report it up the chain of command. I realize by confronting the person first could damage your career, or you would as many as the crappy details or tasks that are available. If it involves Fraud or major criminal activity, there would be no confronting the person, it would be direct reporting up the chain of command.

Response by SGT Javier Silva made Feb 10 at 2019 8:33 PM

2019-02-10T20:33:58-05:00

I had a BC who wasn't a very good leader. He diverted monies that were supposed to go to a nonprofit organization (three of them actually), and he was giving military bought equipment away during my deployment. Our XO noticed a lot of irregularities and notified higher echelon. The BC was investigated as part of a 15-6 and was found guilty. The DoD later reversed the decision and the person was promoted to the next rank later. That XO retired.

Response by SGT Richard Swanson made Feb 10 at 2019 9:06 PM

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My supply SGT was trading and receiving items from DRMO at Wright Patterson and not putting them on the books then selling and trading them. He traded a parts washer we received from maint. to use to clean weapons. One of our other NCO's from another Unit made a deal with him for the parts washer for some Jeep parts and tires and rims, I took a picture of the parts washer in the NCO's truck and went to my supervisor who ended up being friends with the supply SGT. I reported this to my Command Sargent Major he then contacted our Chief WO2 who was our Commander and had everyone write a statement, everyone involved wrote out the same statement word for word from the E-4 and the way up to E-7. The Commander and Command Sargent Major came to the Unit and called me into the office and threatened me with Court Marshal for writing a false statement. I talked with JAG officer and they said I needed to transfer out of the Unit then report this higher up the chain of command. The JAG officer said that if I did the ones involved would be loosing their rank and command. i could not get a transfer, the people involved from the Bn. Commander on down tried everything they could to get me busted in rank and put out of the military, they finely were able to get me put out on medial for type II dieabetic. I did what I thought was right and I would do it again.

Response by Maj Marty Hogan made Feb 10 at 2019 11:20 PM

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Kinda my job as the FIAR auditor and before that I was the Quality Assurance Manager in Finance. I will say there is a lot of gray area out there and people tend to use it and plead ignorant when they are caught. Oddly enough it is not the struggling lower E ranks either- leadership has seen it share of issues.

Response by SgtMaj Glenn Woods made Feb 10 at 2019 11:58 PM

2019-02-10T23:58:13-05:00

Had a few BN CO's that couldn't leave the junior enlisted females alone. I confronted them and it stopped immediately!!!!!

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Feb 16 at 2019 4:08 PM

2019-02-16T16:08:21-05:00

I would report that person immediately. Knowing about it and doing nothing makes you an accessory.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2019 4:25 PM

2019-02-17T16:25:37-05:00

Call the IG.

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Feb 18 at 2019 2:05 PM

2019-02-18T14:05:57-05:00

I would notify the authorities to investigate the matter. Sometimes personal opinion on legality is not always correct.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Feb 19 at 2019 9:41 AM

2019-02-19T09:41:28-05:00

Integrity means doing what's right whether or not you have to. Period.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 3 at 2019 9:29 PM

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Write down what you saw happening, when it occurred, the contract number and the amount being paid out against the amount received for the contract. If the first higher up says "it's okay" and nothing happens. Go higher with evidence. That's bound to catch some ones eye.

Response by 1SG Tom Carter made Mar 15 at 2019 11:35 AM

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I was retaliated against, but in a way that I could not really fight against.

In Iraq, Bde level S6 shop, my LTC wanted me to run SIPR lines over the ground to an unsecured tent that was erected next to our building for IPLO teams. I refused to do this, and was pushed out of the shop and on to one of the IPLO teams. The E6 who took over for me did not bat an eye at this request and ran the lines. I went to the BDE XO, a COL who had been a previous Bn Cdr for a Sig Bn. She put a stop to it and had the lines removed.

At the end of the tour, the entire BDE HQ received Bronze Stars for being fobbits, and I received an ARCOM for driving daily down route Irish, through downtown Baghdad, and into the Karada District.

Response by TSgt Chuck Mankin made Mar 21 at 2019 6:08 PM

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I would surely let the appropriate authorities know. If not through the chain of command than through the appropriate LE agency like CID or OSI.

Response by CPL Mark Garrigus made Mar 22 at 2019 11:33 AM

2019-03-22T11:33:03-04:00

I don’t know why this is even a question.
If someone takes a pen home, who cares!
Fraud or a Criminal offense. You report it!

Response by CPO John Krawczyk made Mar 22 at 2019 3:20 PM

2019-03-22T15:20:02-04:00

Report them.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Mar 23 at 2019 7:15 AM

2019-03-23T07:15:24-04:00

Been my experience in the Army, and in life, unless your talking about serious crimes involving harm to others, your better off keeping your mouth shut and minding your own business. When you try to play the good guy, and the bad guy is connected, you often only end up screwing yourself in the end. Generally speaking in the military, your going to move on with your career, and have a different supervisor and leader. My advice would be document what you see, don't take part in it, and just move on with your life.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Mar 23 at 2019 9:18 AM

2019-03-23T09:18:01-04:00

I believe those who are involved in committing fruad should be held accountable and prosecuted regardless no excuses

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2019 4:38 PM

2019-03-23T16:38:56-04:00

It comes down to the individual and "doing the right thing" when someone isn't watching. Basically "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound". This is a problem with civilian organizations as well but as a professional, it shouldn't be an issue but like everything else, we spend 85% of our time dealing with the 25%.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Mar 24 at 2019 7:43 PM

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Can't recall ever directly being involved, but did see it played out. We had an unpopular Wing Commander who got selected for BG. He eventually got red lined for fraud waste and abuse actions associated with upgrades to the Wing HQ facility.

Response by SP5 Michael Cates made Mar 25 at 2019 7:35 PM

2019-03-25T19:35:48-04:00

Turn them in!

Response by CPO Lenny Orth made Mar 26 at 2019 10:50 PM

2019-03-26T22:50:02-04:00

I'm being sued by a lawyer that stole $12.500.00 from the labor organization I belong to now. This has been going on for almost three years now. A few people including me discovered the Treasurer of our labor organization was robbing us blind. The lawyer started covering for him. Eventually we found out that the President, Secretary and that lawyer were all involved.
Strictly speaking its not military, but all of us wear badges and two of the four thieves had been in the Army. When everything went down, it was a no brainer for this retired Chief to push to follow the law. After nearly three years of being sued by a lawyer thief, I'm not so sure it would be so easy for me to stand up knowing how screwed up our legal system is.

I'd strongly suggest reporting any fraud or crimes to your services investigatory agency. I'd strongly suggest doing so anonymously. Send them the information they would need to see and understand what is going on. I'd also send it up the chain of command, anonymously...

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Mar 27 at 2019 11:20 AM

2019-03-27T11:20:12-04:00

Why isn't this as simple as call the Provost Marshal or Army investigations unit?

Response by SPC Stephen Walsh made Mar 27 at 2019 12:43 PM

2019-03-27T12:43:41-04:00

The Capt in charge was doing a lot of questionable activity. I reported it and he was discharged as a result. But before he left he wrote me up and I was denied a Good Conduct medal. Which cost me a promotion to Buck Sgt. So I didn't reenlist I had planned to be a career soldier but...

Response by CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2019 5:28 PM

2019-03-27T17:28:40-04:00

You have to do the right thing and report do the proper authorities as required. I would start with OIG and report it.

Response by CSM David Porterfield made Mar 27 at 2019 7:49 PM

2019-03-27T19:49:17-04:00

Been there done that a few times. Simple; Take the hard right over the easy wrong and report it. If you know about it and dont report it you are complicit in the crime and may actually find yourself in trouble. Is your career and freedom worth losing because of someone elsea criminality. Doing g the right thing no matter how hard it is, is the right thing to do.

Response by Capt Chuck Ward made Mar 27 at 2019 11:24 PM

2019-03-27T23:24:11-04:00

Report to Base Commander & Inspector General

Response by Col Gonzalo Arturo Gutierrez Orozco made Mar 28 at 2019 9:27 AM

2019-03-28T09:27:44-04:00

WELL THEY TAKE MONEY AND NOW OUT OFF DUTY MAKE FACTURE NO GOOD!!!!

Response by SSG Michael Langley made Mar 28 at 2019 12:59 PM

2019-03-28T12:59:09-04:00

I was a buck sergeant in a Trans Group S-3 coordinating heavy lift road assets in the FRG. My wife was the Supply Sergeant for the Group HHC. My commander, a Col., directed me to fix the books so armor units would not have TDY costs. Without going into details, I would have to illegally misuse funds appropriated by Congress. The amounts were negligible, less than $200 each time, but all directions were verbal passed through the S-3, a Major. I told the Major I could not do it legally and he told me that the Col did not care. When an armor unit cancelled our lift, which would have only cost minimal TDY, and moved the equipment by German rail for a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars, I was called before the Colonel’s morning Staff Meeting. In front of all the staff officers in the Group Command he threatened me with everything from reduction in rank to Leavenworth. I was the only enlisted man in the room. He personally directed me to bury the costs and never to disobey him again. I stood mute and did not answer when he asked if I understood. He told me to get out of his sight.
I thought I was going to be relieved and court-martialed. But if I broke the law for little things, what would be the next direction. Late in the afternoon I was ordered to report to the Colonel’s office. The civilian Comptroller for the Group was there with the Colonel. The Comptroller told me that after a review of the situation, the Colonel decided that my actions were correct and that I was to continue following the regulations. The Comptroller cautioned me to keep the whole affair to myself, including my wife. The Colonel nodded and I was dismissed.
After my wife and I rotated back stateside, I told her about my experience and she laughed. It appeared that at a later date, the Colonel had directed her to sign off on supply forms that were false and she refused. He got angry, but did not threaten her. I believe he was glad when we left his command. We heard later that he was allowed to retire after he had some line haul drivers smuggle his personal weapons into the FRG after he purchased them in Belgium.

Response by PO2 Paul Pender made Mar 29 at 2019 8:30 AM

2019-03-29T08:30:11-04:00

Turn in him or her

Response by SPC Mike Polston made Mar 31 at 2019 11:53 PM

2019-03-31T23:53:40-04:00

Back in the Mid 80's I was stationed the UH-1 Flight Simulator in Korea at K-16 (Seoul Air Base), my unit was the 17th Combat Aviation Group. The flight simulator was expanding and they were building the addition for UH-60 simulator on to the building. The concrete pads for the cockpits had a certain minimums they had to meet so once the concrete was set core samples had to be taken and sent off for testing. The samples sent off for testing were not the ones sent off for testing by our CW-4 facility chief. I found the original ones in the trash in his office when I was cleaning up. When I reported this nobody believed me. The new simulator addition got finished and after about 6 months or so I put in my paperwork to extend my tour in Korea, they told me they would only approve it if I transferred to the tactical platoon (4/58th Aviation), which I did. My new commander in the 4/58th ended up being a Pilot (Major O-4) that came to the simulator for training several times so we knew each other and got along well. Within a few months after I transferred both of the UH-60 cockpits couldn't be operated with motion (meaning they could not be operated using hydraulic motion) because the pads they were on started to crack and it wasn't safe. What had happened, the CW-4 facility chief took kickbacks from the company that did the foundation and sent in fake core samples. When they tried to get the company to fix the pads, they couldn't because the company had ceased operations.

Mind you now, the CW4 facility was not Mr. Ward but the one that took over after him. Mr. Ward was a great facility chief. I respected him a lot, especially having earned 3 broken wing awards.

I ended up serving in Korea from March 86 until Sept 91 then went back once I left the Army. Spent almost 7 years over there and I still miss it.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Apr 1 at 2019 8:58 AM

2019-04-01T08:58:54-04:00

I would go immediately to NCIS or CID, with as much evidence as I could take lawfully, and I would be CERTAIN to have all of my ducks in a row.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Apr 1 at 2019 4:03 PM

2019-04-01T16:03:53-04:00

Well it is my experience, that if my superior found out *I* was committing fraud he would fry my ass. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.

You know what kind of people think, "Do not rat"? FUCKING CRIMINALS.

I would turn him in, in a heartbeat.

Response by 1SG David George made Apr 5 at 2019 7:21 PM

2019-04-05T19:21:25-04:00

I don't remember if I was a SFC or 1SG at the time but I was also working as an Art Director at an advertising agency. I had a local hotel as a client and sent a photographer to the hotel to shoot background photos. She came back to me a couple of days latter with B/W proof of her shoot. There in several pic of the dinning and dance floor was my Commander, a Major and a Female Intelligence officer Captain enjoying the night. The Major lived some 65 miles away so was there for the evening. It was some knowledge about this. Later during Reforger in Germany because of tight space I shared the ground by them as a sleeping place in a GP Medium. It also happen later between another Major (we Had two Majors in the company] and a SGT and a CWO and a SP4. This was in the eighties and it went on. Everything seemed agreeable to all parties. Beer and Hot Tub parties were common after duty hours. I elected to home to my family.

Response by SGT Daniel Myers made Apr 5 at 2019 7:51 PM

2019-04-05T19:51:17-04:00

Go to my supervisor once my ducks were in a row and hope like hell he/she wasn't part of it as well behind the scenes.

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Apr 8 at 2019 3:42 PM

2019-04-08T15:42:01-04:00

If possible, gather a few facts about what ever the fraud is, then take it to the OSI, NCIS or Army equivolent. By going through a chain of command, you may not know just how much this problem has permiated through the ranks, and presenting this evidence to someone in the chain could tip them off or drive them to "PCS your ass to Timbuktoo". The military investigative branches are primarily civilian and do not have to answer to a chain of command. Keep in mind that if this is an officer that you suspect, there are a plethora of UCMJ regulations that he could be charged under. The appearance of impropriety and conduct unbecoming an officer are two charges that are overarching. You then can get into the specifics of the fraud. Keep in mind that if you are noticing this, so are other troops and part of a sound chain of command is respect for the individual office that is superior to yours. If you do not have respect for that indivdual or office, how are you to trust his judgement in warfare? Going to the investigative service with proof shows that this is actually a breach of the UCMJ and not just a grudge against a superior which could include a personality conflict.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Apr 13 at 2019 11:20 AM

2019-04-13T11:20:51-04:00

I just want to say integrity is what you do when know one is looking. If you see it don't report it then you are p
art of the problem.

Response by CPO David Sharp made Apr 27 at 2019 1:07 PM

2019-04-27T13:07:23-04:00

I would inform our superiors of the issue. To not do this would make me complicit with the fraud or scam. There have been many instances of such behavior, i.e., "Fat" somebody in the Navy. The cards collapsed once one was confronted and many were convicted. No amount of money is worth your integrity.

Response by CPO David Sharp made Apr 27 at 2019 1:16 PM

2019-04-27T13:16:46-04:00

There was an instance where some Mechanics in ALFA Company, motor pool to some, decided to swap out an engine from a government van to his POV. Well, one oversight was the numbers on the engine was recorded and when an inspection went down, this came to light. With some serious investigation all was discovered and ended a Senior Chief's career, reduced to E-1, and after a 6 month stint in the Brig, came out with nothing to show 20+ years and a convicted felon. Hope that van is still running well.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made May 5 at 2019 3:38 PM

2019-05-05T15:38:09-04:00

Honor, integrity, devotion to duty, respect, etc. are meaningful (to many I’m sure) words found in all the Service Core Values. The military life is hard enough without having to deal with criminals among our ranks.

If you are living and breathing the Core Values of your service the you, like I did, should not condone any type of behavior that is against the Core Values. If you ignore that behavior then you too are violating your service’s Core Values.

As a uniformed Federal Law Enforcement Officer, following my 30 Military career, I served as out Union Local’s Chief Steward. My duties mainly were to ensure that management and our members followed the contract. One of the things I found necessary to do was when representing a member is that management isn’t always at fault. One case I represented would to some look like I threw the member under the bus; to others it was the only right thing to do. The letter I wrote to management, in response to the charges against the officer began with “NTEU does not condone illegal activity by i its members anymore then management does.” He committed an egregious violation of the Regis that he could have been terminated and the union would have no defense against it. The member, even 4 years later still professed his innocence! I was able to save his job; despite his arrogance. He actually had the audacity to ask if he could use annual leave for his 5 day suspension!

So how do I answer your question Mikel? I do not condone illegal activity. I especially don’t stomach thieves in a military unit either - the thief is one of the most morale defeating Persons in a unit. So should I report someone; would I report someone? You bet. Would I consider myself to be a snitch or a rat? Hell no. We need more, not less people to stand up and report that (and other) criminal behavior.

Response by PO2 Lewis Brockman made May 18 at 2019 10:50 PM

2019-05-18T22:50:15-04:00

Since I would not be here today if not for him I would never be the whistle blower He could crap in the co's flat hat andI would not care

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 18 at 2019 11:58 PM

2019-05-18T23:58:09-04:00

Tough when he or she is in your rating scheme. I know happened to me twice. Got dinged on my OER. 3 block. Still made cw4. Trips one s year to new Orleans to inspect exhibitiors because that is where his daughter was going to college.

Response by PO2 Lewis Brockman made May 20 at 2019 8:31 AM

2019-05-20T08:31:36-04:00

I see that most of the responses on here are from a much younger generation. Not a bad thing just different time and different situation

Response by SPC Louis Miller made May 22 at 2019 12:50 PM

2019-05-22T12:50:17-04:00

What is well known for any leader in ANY aspect is that if that leader or those leaders fail themselves, within the context of duty, honor, and integrity above all.......then they have also failed ME and all who are associated under their tutelage or leadership. PERIOD! If you can't show me those traits, then I will ABSOLUTELY show you how you can recover them. This "recovery" of those traits might not be to the liking of said leader (s); nevertheless, that leader or those leaders will recover them, if they chose to do so.

Response by SPC Rob Raybourn made May 24 at 2019 2:41 PM

2019-05-24T14:41:11-04:00

As a 92Y in the 90's I had to run a few investigations into fraud and it was never fun. Once, while recovering from back surgery, I was called in to run an investigation against my supply sergeant and after completion nothing was done except for command letting her know that I had done an investigation which made things a little tense for a bit.

Response by SSG David McPherson made May 24 at 2019 8:07 PM

2019-05-24T20:07:49-04:00

No brainer report it

Response by SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson made May 26 at 2019 9:59 PM

2019-05-26T21:59:11-04:00

Revert back to the oath you took. Specifically "foreign and/or domestic. Rank holds no particular privledge when it comes to crime. Sometimes thw higher the rank the bigger the crime. The little person is more likely to get caught and punished more severely. Just look at our politician's.

Response by SSG Patrick Sloan made May 27 at 2019 4:45 PM

2019-05-27T16:45:02-04:00

Turn it in it, report it and be damn the consequences.
We had, I say, we because it involves my wife, my sister-in-law and me. We worked for a small city in Texas, leadership change over the years, finally come to a city manager and others being involved in super shady and some instances illegal activity. We were the only three remaining who would take a stand and took stands we did. CM finally was able to get his way and managed to have us all three terminated. Not much we can do it about it except for one thing, stand proud. Our ethics and integrity are intact and we will never face any prison time when their day comes.
Ethics and integrity matters!

Response by PFC Gregory Spear made May 27 at 2019 6:55 PM

2019-05-27T18:55:32-04:00

Turn them in.

Response by SPC James Jackson made May 27 at 2019 9:57 PM

2019-05-27T21:57:57-04:00

What's more important.. your standing with the group or your integrity? I was working in the DFAC and one evening watched some cooks (they were NCO's) raid the freezer for some burgers, steaks and such then turn around and write it up on a ration request like it was cooked in the dining facility. When I questioned them about it I was told to stay in my lane and just write it up like I was told or life would get real hard real fast. Since I was new, one of 4 white guys in a platoon of black folk and new to my duty station at first I didn't say anything (I know that made me just as complicit). Couple of weeks went by and I was back in the DFAC again and a long weekend came up and once again the same group came in and raided the walk in freezer and then expected me to write it up as before except this time I refused. After they left I called the DFAC manager and he was pissed at me for calling on a holiday weekend and told me he would deal with it come Monday. What I didn't know.. I was the one that was being "dealt" with.. bad counseling sessions, passed over for boards, classes, promotions, etc. .. when it came to a head was one night I was helping unload a truck for them and the same guys took a case of steaks for the fourth and nobody batted an eye as they just took them off the pallet from behind the building and loaded them up and drove off. I finally got a hold of the officer in charge of the DFAC and my 1SG and told them the whole deal going on. This incident and fallout from it ..DFAC manager MSG, 2 SFC, a Sgt and a Cpl all got busted for stealing over a thousand dollars worth of food, followed me even after I changed my mos when I reenlisted. If it wouldn't have been for me getting fked up and ultimately put out medically, my career was over any ways. It followed me through a school and to another duty station where come to find out a couple of guys knew each other from there. But at least I escaped with my integrity intact even though I had to watch my back for 3 years after it all happened. Looking back the only thing I would have done differently is gone straight to Top the first time other than that I would go through the same shit again if it means I keep my integrity where it should be.. up front and leading the way. This happened in the early through the mid 90's.
Deeds not Words!

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made May 30 at 2019 11:30 AM

2019-05-30T11:30:56-04:00

Politics and Power. You had best know who their friends are and who your friends are before you do.I would be concern with fraud that affects safety or readiness, don't worry about other scamming that does not. A lot of people doing a lot of wrong things , not just fraud, adultery being a big example. People stepping on their dicks like that will usually get busted in time. Don't threaten your own career but also realize doing good can help your career and the service, IF done correctly.

Response by Sgt Frank Church made May 30 at 2019 1:55 PM

2019-05-30T13:55:27-04:00

After the discipline I had in the Marine Corps I respect anything and anyone first. But if I saw someone breaking that law I would not look the other way and go to the person I know that would handle that type of situation.

Response by James Hayes made May 30 at 2019 5:31 PM

2019-05-30T17:31:22-04:00

This situation was presented to me on 2 occasions. Once I was working with a contractor for the NAVY and DoD. It appeared that my supervisor was the lead in the criminal activities, while he had all his subordinates, participating. I did not participate and was threatened....indirectly.... by many of the personnel that worked at this site. I went on the FBI website, and presented them with a tip. Why the FBI...because the criminal activity was within their scope of work.

Another similar situation at the chemical plant in Monaca, PA. I wouldn't join in and was subsequently pushed out the door.

Response by CPL Treson Saint made May 30 at 2019 11:19 PM

2019-05-30T23:19:39-04:00

Depends. Is there a reward?

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Jun 1 at 2019 1:17 PM

2019-06-01T13:17:56-04:00

I will tell you what I did, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you have high morels. I found that a High Ranking Officer was embezzling money and connected to the KKK. So I went AWOL , with documentation, and turned myself over to another Higher Ranking Officer in which I was reassigned and the high ranking officer was relived of Command. I was told that I would never see E-6 and I had a snow balls chance of ever making E-7. So with 25 years of Service and 17 years time in grade I retired. I went to the Board for E-6 three times and failed once. When I failed my board only lasted about 60 seconds. When I passed the other two boards all documentation came up missing or never made it to S-4. If I had it to do all over again, I would not change a thing. During my Military career, I had only one Article 15. In 1975 I was thirty seconds late to formation because I had just signed into the Unit and didn't know where the Motor Pool was. It cost me $25.00 and two weeks extra duty. I retired in 2015. Check out my profile, I never stopped being an NCO who cared about both the Army and my Soldiers.

Response by SGM Harvey Boone made Jun 2 at 2019 2:28 PM

2019-06-02T14:28:09-04:00

Take Notes collect proof and evidence as well as who was involved and go well above their heads if necessary to the top if they do nothing then most likely they are involved but keep your six covered and your head down ears and eyes open they are out there in all ranks and all people you find out quickly who you can and trust and who you can't and you find if you are smart trust no one .

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2019 9:02 AM

2019-06-03T09:02:35-04:00

I would certainly take a moment to think about who and where to report it and how to go about that but report it I would. Sometimes situations like this can best be handled outside the organization making you less vulnerable than if you report it within the organization. However not reporting it would not be an option since it then makes you vulnerable in some ways and you being culpable or complicit. During my career I would always make others aware to not put me in any kind of situation that might jeopardize me, my integrity, and my career if I thought there might be a need to. That in itself was usually enough so that I did not encounter this kind of problem so much or as much as some others might have. The few times I did then it was really a surprise and one that others had already sometimes taken action on and was under investigation in most cases so no action was needed on my part. I did take one situation to the OSI when I became aware of it and another to the IG and those few and lesser others were taken to my commander and handled internally due to their low level and they being minor in nature.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2019 12:31 PM

2019-06-03T12:31:12-04:00

When I was a company commander, my TF commander switched out and was replaced by an "interim commander" because the new commander could not deploy to us for four months. It was a joint task force with a complex intel mission supporting operations throughout Afghanistan, so the complexity of the mission, legalisms, etc. were numerous. The interim commander was extremely toxic: from things like some of my Soldiers seen going in and out of her CHU in the middle of the night (all of which were treated with favoritism by her), to sending Soldiers outside the wire without proper equipment or proper support, to demanding the NCOs and mission supervisors break regulations and laws so she could look favorable to a superior, and disregarding the advice of senior warrant officers and NCOs on mission in favor of Lieutenants who lacked the experience and knowledge to carry it out sufficiently. I constantly found myself in her office confronting her with my concerns to be accused of trying to stir up drama to discredit a female superior. I once went in there with another company commander (whose Soldier was one of the three Soldiers exiting the Major's CHU in the middle of the night) to jointly air our concerns. She threatened us both with trying to discredit her and if she heard this accusation again, she would relieve us and redeploy us immediately. On mission, she basically sidelined my most knowledgeable people in favor of much less knowledgeable and experienced officers and Soldiers because they were less willing to give push-back to her guidance, a lot of which bordered (if not crossed) lines of legality. Since I was mainly beans and bullets and not that much involved with the mission other that basic HHC stuff, I did not witness the brunt of anything other than the CHU incident. But my NCOs all came to me in a cluster one day and wanted to know their options after telling me the things they had seen. I went and spoke with JAG, who gave me the step by step process of filing a toxic leadership complaint. I created the packet and had all of the NCOs create sworn statements for submission up the chain. I felt it prudent to talk to her one last time (big mistake) and let her know that there were concerns and that she should address these concerns in some way because there is some feeling around the company that the working environment is not as it should be. It started as a jovial conversation that quickly turned hostile when she ordered me to give her a list of names of those who had talked to me by the end of the day or she was going to assume I was making the whole things up and she would counsel me for it and decide later what she was going to do with me. So I went through with the complaint (which was really a step to determine if someone higher than her should do an investigation). The JAG came down from Kabul to my AO and talked to the NCOs and myself, and the complaint lost traction when the NCOs were informed that since she is a field grade officer, she is allowed to see their statements un-redacted during the investigation. They figured at that point that waiting a few months for the next TF Commander would be preferable to trying to pursue this route, so that's what ended up happening. I still have the packet saved in my "kit bag" and I take it out and read all of the statements to remind myself of what should have happened. Sadly, this individual is still in and was promoted to LTC.

Response by SPC Tracy Conard made Jun 3 at 2019 12:33 PM

2019-06-03T12:33:53-04:00

Turn them in!

Response by SSG William Hull made Jun 4 at 2019 9:02 AM

2019-06-04T09:02:32-04:00

I ran into a few during my career. I was put up for a court marshal twice, charges dropped. Relieved duty and flagged by a battalion commander once, reinstated by the division commander. In that case I immediately applied for a transfer. The week that I left the battalion commander, who had only held the position for 6 months was offered a reassignment to a non-command position. As I was processing out of the unit, that battalion commander wrote me a great NCOER and told me that in his career he had run a number of NCOs out of the Army and I was the only one that had the ball to fight back and win. I am sure those incidents had an effect on my promote ability. To me, my ethics and integrity was more important.

Response by Michelle Jeffers made Jun 4 at 2019 1:25 PM

2019-06-04T13:25:00-04:00

Back in 2012, I was an HR Manager for a recruitment firm. My boss was hiring people seeking H1Bs, making the employee pay for their visa, etc. Once hired, he was not properly verifying their work authorization (I-9). I set up a legal process for remote employees but the boss said it was unnecessary. I refused to sign my name and formally protested via email. That week, he began bringing bottles of liquor for the office to enjoy on Fridays. I declined to imbibe as I felt I was being set up. A couple of weeks later he asked me to resign, but I made him fire me and state his reason. Glad I am not longer there.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2019 1:31 PM

2019-06-04T13:31:32-04:00

This is probably a really bad, politically incorrect answer, but what kind of fraud? Single mothers who have an under the table job but still receive WIC and food stamps probably isnt a big deal. Kind of like the SPC that gives those green leader books away without annotating them in the supply log. Just saying.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 9 at 2019 9:34 PM

2019-06-09T21:34:03-04:00

I have the displeasure of turning such a matter over to the CID for investigation. At the time I was a CPT and the offender was a LTC. He was taking funds designated for troop morale and welfare and spending it on personal items claiming he was purchasing items for the troops.
He was asked to resign his commission and left the service without a Courts Martial but had to pay back every last dollar they could prove he took.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2019 11:09 PM

2019-06-17T23:09:24-04:00

Well, the Army (and military, and government) is full of corruption, and the majority of the higher-ups are corrupt in one way or another, and a lot of things (and crimes) get swept under the rug. I'm answerable to God first, before anyone or anything else, so I would confront them and turn them in if necessary, even though it might seriously damage my career; whatever loss I may receive for doing the right thing on this evil world, I'll be commended for by God in the hereafter. I'm aware however, that my opinion and perspective is certainly in the minority of those serving (or serving themselves) in the military.

I have more than a few stories, but some of them are...best left unspoken. Suffice to say, Iraq and Afghanistan were a lot more like Vietnam than most people realize...

Response by CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw made Jul 1 at 2019 12:57 AM

2019-07-01T00:57:19-04:00

I don’t respect Liars because if you Lie, then you’ll Cheat. This comes under the Core Values I was taught many years ago and still important to me today and they are Integrity, Honesty, and Honor, to name a few, which I would not compromise for anyone. As a Senior Enlisted, It’d be my Duty to address a fraud issue with my Leadership or Supervisor. I’d follow up as necessary depending on the level of Integrity or Level of Classification of the Mission and if it involved Life and Death Matters In Times Of War or Hostile Military Conflicts. Location and seriousness of any issues carries a lot of weight, as does there being a Time and Place For Everything! Just my Humble Old Opinion. Respectfully, Doc Bradshaw

Response by GySgt Thomas Vick made Jul 1 at 2019 10:35 AM

2019-07-01T10:35:34-04:00

If caught defrauding anyone, you should be punished. You not only hurt the person that your defrauding, but hurt yourself, hurt your units integrity, and the people that you work for integrity.

Response by Louis Williams made Jul 1 at 2019 10:39 PM

2019-07-01T22:39:44-04:00

Report it only when it effects you to see it, know it, or effects your welfare otherwise what goes on in the military stays in the military and something like fraud is usually part of a bigger picture. Code Red is principle to how the military always functioned as an independent entity to the United States as the Department of Defense. The real question is who would you tell that doesn't put you in jeopardy, The Media? Anyone involved in that kind of scandal is already known and its a matter of time before they're exposed. When it comes to institutions and that kind of corruption, once you're in it you can't get out unscathed.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2019 11:59 AM

2019-07-02T11:59:45-04:00

The problem is that healthcare is tied to your job in this country. So, if you were to complain to upper management about anything, you are looking at looking for another job.
If our healthcare for everyone was paid for with a Consumption Tax instead of a payroll tax then you would have healthcare even if you didn't have a job. Because every time you spend a dollar, you would be paying for your healthcare. Social Security should also be paid in the same manner, as well as Education for all.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2019 10:04 PM

2019-07-02T22:04:47-04:00

It shows that the person or persons involved have no morals whatsoever! Yes I would blow the whistle until someone listened. My career my reputation and my moral compass is more important than those that look the other way or don’t want to get involved.

It makes me sick knowing that all the funds that were meant to help rebuild and was stolen.

Greedy bastards have no shame!

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Jul 3 at 2019 4:02 PM

2019-07-03T16:02:30-04:00

Turn them in.. Anything immoral, illegal or unconstitutional, I have NO problem turning those in and watching them get booted out.

Response by SGT Robert Hawks made Jul 7 at 2019 2:12 AM

2019-07-07T02:12:57-04:00

I would turn them in no question. No I would not notify them before turning them in.

Response by SSG John M Jacobson Sr made Jul 7 at 2019 11:35 AM

2019-07-07T11:35:13-04:00

It doesn't matter what their rank is, wrong is wrong. And if he or she is committing fraud, that cost all of us. So yes I would make sure I had the proof, and then turn them in.

Response by Capt Gene Leone made Jul 8 at 2019 1:00 AM

2019-07-08T01:00:44-04:00

I came to Defense Mapping Agency in the early 80's from DIA. I won't say which unit; just DMA. The squadron commander needed a security officer so since I was new and a Captain, he gave it to me. Shortly after my arrival, a 2d Lieutenant mailed Israeli classified material as UNCLASSIFIED. Due to my stint at DMA, our commander quickly learned I am a prick when it comes to security. The Lieutenant along with a GS-14, a couple of 13's and of course, "el Comandante", deliberately kept me out of the loop. It was by accident I learned about the incident and after spending two and a half days interviewing and researching the breach in security, handed the unit commander my report in which I cited chapter and verse the violations [there were several] and a list of punitive options for him to choose from. "THE GAWD DAMN REGULATIONS AREN'T ETCHED IN GRANITE!" he bellowed to wit I explained they ARE "etched in granite" with the use of "must, shall, will" rather than "would, could or should". Cutting to the chase, things went down hill very quickly between the commander and me; so much so a BG came with his entourage to excoriate me for my "act of mutiny" threatening to charge me with such.

[ASIDE: I was enlisted before earning my commission after Nam. Rank has never impressed me. My commander stood behind the seated Brigadier General when I said, "General, with all due respects to you, your rank, the flag we both proudly serve and the uniform we both proudly wear - I F***ING DARE YOU! PLEASE, GENERAL, OH PLEASE! I F***ING DARE YOU! Again, Sir, with all due respects to you, your rank, the flag and the uniform we both proudly wear." My commander LITERALLY fainted into the chair. He and I had had numerous "discussions" with that same dialogue.]

By standing my ground and with the aid of a little trade craft [don't ask what I did in DIA or I'll have to kill you] and nearly a several months battling back and forth, the commander was given the opportunity to put in his paperwork before they put in THEIR paperwork. The 2d Lieutenant was reassigned to wonderful, warm Minot AFB, ND, the GS-14 "retired" along with a couple of 13's, one of which I had discovered was using the unit mainframe computer for bookkeeping purposes for the cement plant which he held a 1/12 interest. Needless to say the commander nearly had a stroke when I presented him with that information. He told me to "mind my own business". My ally in all this was the chief of security at DMA in Reston, VA. When all was said and done, the "letter of admonishment" I received was expunged from my personnel file. [After threatening me with a court martial, the commander tried handing me an Article 15 - I refused to accept it and went to the JAG - and then tried a "letter of reprimand" which I also refused to sign and finally the BG sent the letter of admonishment; a one way communication which is not signed by the recipient.]

Are there times when one might look the other way? Sure for something minor, but when it's something MAJOR and involves something like the Espionage Act as this incident did, I would drop a dime on the person(s) in an Los Angeles second.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jul 8 at 2019 2:02 AM

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Go to the IG.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Jul 8 at 2019 4:28 PM

2019-07-08T16:28:04-04:00

Turn them in of course, the oath requires it.

Response by SSG Charlie Davis made Jul 11 at 2019 10:21 PM

2019-07-11T22:21:43-04:00

1. make sure you are on solid ground before saying or doing anything.
2. Make sure there is sufficient supporting evidence or documentation to support your allegation
and its verified and validated.
3. Tell someone else in the unit command what you know and how you know it.
4. Be upfront - inform the subject of the allegation, "If you don't do the right thing, I will."
5. He or she will find out sooner than later who pulled the trigger on them anyway.
6. Be prepared for retribution - from anyone - from the inside or the outside.
7. Its not about them or us, its about right and wrong.
8. Lastly - no one ever leaves the military or government service the same way they came in -
ever. . .

Response by SFC Joh Williams made Jul 16 at 2019 7:32 AM

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The CEEIA 100 is a reminder about travel fraud. The Army brought people back to active duty from retirement to give them an article 15.

Response by PO3 Charles Streich made Aug 13 at 2019 2:24 PM

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My last job in Vietnam was in charge of Commercial Auto Parts for all Seabee Detachments. I could of made money on tires and batteries but chose not to. When a air conditioner was taken out of an Ambulance and put into a Chief's girlfriends car, I started taking notes, photos etc. Some of the parts were going to former Navy who ran repair shops in Saigon. So they were getting free parts and charging Uncle Sam for the reconditioning. I presented this to the Lt. in charge and the shit hit the fan. They wanted me to join Staff but I turned it down.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2019 8:11 PM

2019-08-17T20:11:43-04:00

I have a great relationship with my direct Commander and a big part of our success is based on being open. Never mind what I do, but In my particular world, everything is on the table. Keep in mind, there are actual Generals imprisoned in Leavenworth for fraud

Response by CPO Nate S. made Aug 18 at 2019 9:56 AM

2019-08-18T09:56:19-04:00

Frankly, all these stories are all to common. Our system is compromised all to often by those who think they cannot be checked, because of their position of power or influence.

We'd be good to heed the 1st Scout Law - A Scout is - TRUSTWORTHY! This simple word is all people need to make ethical decisions. I cannot tell you how many times I have discovered untrustworthy behaviors and needed to document the same to protect myself, my troops or my commands from such behaviors.

Being honest has a price and if you are willing to pay that price your life can be hard, but you honor remains intact.

It is a choice!!! Not an option today then another option tomorrow. The choice, the right choice(s), become part of your DNA.

Response by Lt Col Bill Fletcher made Aug 19 at 2019 7:27 AM

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You should discuss the issue with that person, first and make sure you understand exactly what is going on. If they refuse to discuss it with you and or their response doesn’t satisfy you the IG is the next place to go. Go to them immediately and get it on the record.

Response by COL Hugh Stirts made Aug 19 at 2019 2:42 PM

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Why are 'we' (RP) seemingly concentrating on leadership shortcomings?? The real WE is the US Army (or Navy, Marines, etc). And of course bad apples need to go, quickly. And I may be somewhat prickly on this because I was a leader, and commander. But i hate reading about all these accusations of malfeasance and/or nonfeasance!

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Aug 20 at 2019 10:41 PM

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Before one reports that someone was doing something illegal, unethical or what not better have your T's crossed, I's dotted, dates & time , W.W.W.W. & W., all of your ducks in a row then you load up. Because if there is a small amount of information missing could come back and hunt you. We are not the police or a investigator. If there is a fraud hotline by all means use it. If its anonymous then spell the beans. If they want your information then its up to you to disclose or not disclose that information.

Response by Marlene Hessler made Aug 21 at 2019 9:36 PM

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It happens in private industry and even in charitable organizations, big name ones. Like Catholic Charities. They utilized one person's license to bill Medicare for services done by others. They did it to one licensed person and attempted to do it to another. The 'other' person reported it to her 2nd line supervisor and nothing was done. Then the workplace became a hostile workplace. They did everything to force the person to leave. Firing would have raised it to a court level. She found another job and is moving to another job after close to 10 years of exemplary work.

Response by PO1 Curtis Denson made Aug 22 at 2019 1:00 AM

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So you think somehow you have found the Holley Grail of fraud, Lincoln strung up hundreds of Contractors for fraud, seams like , in the military it's risky to point it out, perhaps , better to think it out first, anonimusly report it to GOA, IF NOTHING GETS DONE ITS FAR bove your pay scale, I do consulting for gov projects, overcharging is regular, I never point it out as fraud, just cause reperatons to be paid back to whatever agency lost it, and most of the time, it's not long after that, my job ends!

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Aug 25 at 2019 10:46 PM

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Unfortunately we had to do this once for real. In the course of our duties, my unit found that a senior officer was arranging the sale of high-demand electronic components out of the Army PX warehouse to local national "businessmen". And he was making a lot of money, from what we could see. We coordinated with the local MP's and they turned it over to CID. This very capable officer ended up leaving the Army under unhappy circumstances. We also found a mid-level Army staff officer who was having a sexual affair with a local national. I managed to "communicate" to this gentleman in an informal way that he should watch what he was doing. He was shocked, to say the least, but stopped his misbehavior. He did not get a bad outcome, at least while I was knowledgeable. It's never any fun to learn that someone in a position of trust has done wrong.

Response by SGT Debra Jahnel made Aug 26 at 2019 3:51 AM

2019-08-26T03:51:02-04:00

At a change-of-command party for our CPT at his own home, my 1SG made sure that I was aware of cocaine residue in the bathroom. He asked what I, a Spec4, was going to do about it. I said, "YOU know. It's not my responsibility." To my knowledge, he did nothing. But I also told an SFC elsewhere who reported it but kept my name out of it - I was afraid of reprisals. Nearly 30 years later, I would advise military personnel to go outside your chain of command, if you can.

Response by SSG William Bruno made Sep 25 at 2019 4:14 PM

2019-09-25T16:14:45-04:00

With my last assignment prior to retirement, I worked with a civilian who ordered hundreds of promotional items that were supposed to be given out at various health fairs around the post. There was always something that kept these things from being delivered. Yet each week, more and more items kept showing up, but we were supposed to wait until she said so to give them away. I checked with my NCOIC, got her blessing and started giving the items away at the next health fair.

This section for some reason never had any military supervision before. The supervisor was just shooting from the hip any time she did anything. She tried to retaliate by hiding items on my inventory list. I told her she could do whatever she wants but I am not going to be court martialed because she didn’t want to follow the rules.

Response by SPC Jessica Padilla made Sep 25 at 2019 7:07 PM

2019-09-25T19:07:05-04:00

This all happened over the course of about 3 years, from 2008 -2011. I was deployed pregnant. Unit failed to do the 72hr prior pregnancy test on all the females. After spending a few weeks in Kuwait getting ready to go to Iraq, I had a feeling and decided to test it. It was positive, so I reported it to my squad leader. After medics confirmed, my team leader turned to me and point blank asked me if I was going to get an abortion to continue up to Iraq.

Another incident during that same time period, a 'friend' tried to hit me up for sex. He said that because I'm a female, its part of my job to satisfy the males in the unit, and then tried to grope me. He got told 'no' with my knee. Mind you, it was hardly a week into the deployment and we hadn't even gotten to Iraq yet. The next day I went to the chaplain and told him what happened. The chaplain agreed with this 'friend' and said that all women are for is to satisfy the needs of men and that I should've put out.

Just before leaving Camp Buehring, my CSM and BC promised me that within the month I would be dishonorably discharged. They tried their damnedest too. They said nothing to the 8 other females that returned under the same circumstances, many who got pregnant while deployed or baby daddy wasn't their husband... By time I got back to rear d they had about 10 sworn statements against me from a bunch of people I didn't know and a few that I knew. The one girl that I knew swore that she asked permission to be my room mate in the b's in September. Big kicker, my lease started in August for on post housing. After I showed the rear d commander my lease, suddenly none of it ever happened. I tried to report all of this to IG, but since the unit refused to provide me with any copies of anything, even though I requested copies (I was told I wasn't allowed any copies of any of the sworn statements under any circumstances), IG said they couldn't do anything.

In the end, from what I was later told, my company commander got retraining and then the boot. I tried to reenlist, he said no and barred me for 'mismanaging family' for daring to have kids after discussing my reenlistment with the same man that promised me a dishonorable discharge. Brigade commander investigated, Garrison commander (2-star gen. I think) looked into it, and I got to reenlist and my commander forced to complete retraining.

Gotta love the 130th.

Response by SPC Henry Francis made Sep 25 at 2019 10:52 PM

2019-09-25T22:52:51-04:00

Lots of serious stuff here. Most folks posting don’t need any advice on what to do or when or how to do it. My concern is for the things that might not be right but you don’t have enough facts or evidence to be sure. Before you pull that trigger and report it be very sure that you know what you are doing and have the specific things identified that clearly establish a violation. The last thing you want is to be shown some facts that you didn’t know or some exculpatory evidence after you reported the matter.

If what you think is going on is serious but you are not sure of it, make sure if doing that is in your purview. Otherwise, report it to the IG or other responsible authority making sure that your reduced level of confidence is very clear to them. Whatever you do, don’t try to use reports of wrongdoing as a method of revenge or retaliation. Those who will be investigating can smell that stuff from across town. It could even cause your report to be disregarded and lead to repercussions fit for a baseless complaint regardless of whether or not it is baseless.

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Sep 26 at 2019 2:32 AM

2019-09-26T02:32:43-04:00

Like 1SGT Healy it happened to me, and the first time I talked to my mentor. He used it as a teaching point (and I didn't/wouldn't have called him a mentor then!) and asked what was I going to do about it. Pointed out that every variation from the correct way to do things results in further degradation of the individual who varies. Bit by bit, your integrity gets chipped away. So, what are you gonna do, Sarge? Brought it up the chain of command. In the military, issue resolved. In civilian life, the idea of protected activity is actually kind of questionable. Doesn't exist outside of government service or contractors. As a civilian, I made the decision that I was going to do my job regardless of consequences. When someone above you chokes off investigation or accountability, you know that you don't want to be there anyway. Or, as I said in one case to the poor guy delegated to tell me that the company was now going to go another way -- "It's ok, Ken. I've been thrown out of far nicer places that this one..."

Response by SSG James N. made Sep 26 at 2019 8:35 AM

2019-09-26T08:35:26-04:00

You mean like the BNSGM of 27th Eng Cbt Abn in 1999 who decided a after hours 'work detail' was needed to lay down the new sod he purchased on his gov(Unit) credit card, then left sitting on lawn chair, with the beer he was drinking(but not providing to the soldiers working), yeaaahhhhhh, I think maybe someone would be told, like a 1SG who had NO CLUE his soldiers were the one's doing the work. Damn them Prince Hall Mason drug deals!

Response by SGT David Petree made Sep 26 at 2019 1:03 PM

2019-09-26T13:03:59-04:00

First thing you got to do is COVER YOUR ASS !!! Because SHIT ROLLS DOWN HILL !! No matter who you are , or what rank your are . You are at the Bottom of the Hill . when you blow the whistle on anything Been there done that .

Response by MAJ Rene De La Rosa made Sep 26 at 2019 10:00 PM

2019-09-26T22:00:34-04:00

Per the usual, sir, your are on target about things going on in the military today (even if it is an aged post!).

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Sep 26 at 2019 11:42 PM

2019-09-26T23:42:16-04:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner…Very tricky question. It was not uncommon for permeant station NCO’s to have side business going both on and of post. Things like kick back from the PX Barber for haircuts for trainees don’t amount to much, but still its not legal. Then you have the Mess sergeant that leaves food out on the loading dock at the end of the day and the next morning it is gone. The Company Clerk that takes care of the duty rousted and who gets guard duty, or KP or grounds detail tec. who is willing to take a bribe to remove a name from the list or just move around the date. The 1st Sgt. who when over seas can see which platoon get Coke or Diet-Rite Cola for soda rations, or where the Marlboros and Winston’s go and where the cartons of Chesterfield or Lucky Strike go, for your Cigarette rations (a cartons per week per soldier, non smokers also too the ration for trading with the locals.….Some 50 years later I ran across our CO and came out and asked him if he knew what was gong on just outside his office door….he pleaded ignorance. Its all part of Army life and the closer to combat you get the more it happens. Its not very smart for an E-4 to challenge the E-8 First Sargent. Its suicide to confront an officer. You will be in the bush until you were a causality and unfit for duty, and you are part of one of the numbers that go up every Friday night on the CBS Evening news How may killed that week and how many wounded that required medical treatment. The blind and the gimps.

Response by SSgt Dee O'Connor made Sep 27 at 2019 1:47 AM

2019-09-27T01:47:45-04:00

I would report fraud

Response by SSgt Dee O'Connor made Sep 27 at 2019 1:52 AM

2019-09-27T01:52:59-04:00

I would have to report and risk the reprucushions

Response by CPT Daniel Cox made Sep 27 at 2019 2:54 AM

2019-09-27T02:54:49-04:00

As a former Military Policeman, I feel I would have a CID investigation started, especially if I had hard evidence (not just suppositions) of unlawful activity.

Response by PO2 Kathryn Thorn made Sep 27 at 2019 6:42 AM

2019-09-27T06:42:05-04:00

to me the only answer is turn their ass in. never been faced with the situation but only know that is what I would do

Response by Sgt Frederick Pou made Sep 27 at 2019 8:20 AM

2019-09-27T08:20:46-04:00

You have a duty to report it. Toxic Leadership has plagued the Military for far longer than anyone thinks, but they drill the rules and regulations because they have to (they were told to), but most of them think that those rules do not apply to them. Do the right thing and REPORT IT! "If you see something, say something!)

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2019 8:23 AM

2019-09-27T08:23:32-04:00

You have an obligation to report criminal activity; ideally within the chain of command. However, if that's NOT working out, you can always contact CID, who is responsible to investigate [felony] criminal activity. Criminal activity must NOT be tolerated. There is NO wrong in doing the right thing when it comes to this.

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Sep 27 at 2019 11:44 PM

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There are a number of ways to address the general aspect of the question. The Services and the multitude of commands within afford access to I.G.s, a command’s chain of command etc. The first question is if the issue is a hill worth dying on. By that I mean will you seriously violate your ethic if no action taken or is the issue worth your putting your career on the line. That said, I stopped an O-6’s action by taking him to the deputy and the O-6 did not end up happy at all. 10 yrs later, that O-6 was an O-8 and sat on my selection board to O-5...he personally shot me down. One is not supposed to ever hear about the inner workings of a Navy Selection Board, but a person was so incensed that he let me know through an intermediary that I hadn’t failed. Looking back on the previous incident, I have no regrets. Justice was served awhile later though. The Admiral had misinformed SecDef Cheney during Desert Storm and I caught the lie while watching Cheney’s congressional testimony. I still had phone numbers and called Cheney’s office and a friend there. The O-8 retired early.

There is a psychological principle that applies here. The one who stands and takes action in an organization or a group is the anomaly as the pressure of the group is such that inaction prevails. To speak out or take action is full of trepidation. For instance, if a commanding officer is addressing a seated group and makes erroneous statements that really need correction, rare is the officer who speaks up. If one does speak up, it’s interesting to hear others come up to that person and say they wish they had said something.

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Sep 29 at 2019 9:54 PM

2019-09-29T21:54:52-04:00

Doing the right thing and having your higher up back you is something to be seen, if there is backlash at least you know the truth, just have proof, evidence, and hopefully witnesses, there's always a few that get away but sooner or later they'll get caught and face consequences

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Oct 14 at 2019 12:26 AM

2019-10-14T00:26:19-04:00

Never had to face that situation, in the service or after. Working as an insurance agent, the company I represent is extremely strict regarding ethical behavior. Pretty much to the point of act first ask questions later.

Having said that, I see no problem with the use of equipment after hours for a personal project, provided it is authorized by command. Being in the USCG most of our units were quite small. We had little if any morale facilities, but would allow the use of shop equipment etc. after hours for such purposes. I have only been to one unit large enough to have separate morale facilities, and that was TAD, but I used the heck out of them while I was there.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2019 9:00 PM

2019-10-29T21:00:26-04:00

Call your IG or CID. Literal their lane to investigate the matter and protect the complainant.

Response by Capt Al Parker made Oct 30 at 2019 6:23 PM

2019-10-30T18:23:08-04:00

Report the incident to the IG.

Response by 1LT Mary Renzi made Oct 30 at 2019 8:24 PM

2019-10-30T20:24:57-04:00

I turned my Captain in for discussing classified information over an unsecured telephone line. No one cared. I was in trouble with everything after that.

Response by PV2 Ross Bryan made Oct 30 at 2019 10:09 PM

2019-10-30T22:09:05-04:00

ONE THING THATI WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WAS WHY I NEVER GOT MY AIT TRAINING AFTER BASIC!
ABOUT TO BE DRAFTED IN EARLY DEC 1963,
I JOINED THE RESERVES,(842nd QMC,KCKS)
I WAS TOLD I WOULD RECEIVE TRAINING AT FT LEONARD WOOD MO.
AFTER BASIC WOULD GET MY JOB TRAINIG ALSO AT FT WOOD!
STARTED BASIC EARLY MARCH 1964,
AND IT WENT QUITE BADLY ACCT MY
KLUTZINESS WHEN IT CAME TO MARCHING AND DRILL!
MY LACK OF PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE WAS NO HELP EITHER AS I NEVER WENT FOR HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS AFTER FRESHMAN FOOTBALL!
TOWARD THE END OF BASIC I WAS IN FEAR OF FLUNKING BASIC AND WOULD BE HELD AND RECYCLED!
I WAS PASSED HOWEVER BUT WAS NOT ALLOWED TO BE PART OF BASIC GRAD EVENTS , BEING USED AS A BARRACKS GUARD!
WHEN WE WERE GIVEN OUR ORDERS FOR OUR JOBS TRAINING I WAS EXPECTING
TO ATTEND THE FT LEONARD WOOD
ENGINEERS EQUPMENT OPERATORS SCHOOL!
INSTEAD OF THIS TRAINING I WAS SENT TO FT SHERIDAN ILLINOIS.
I WAS EAGER TO GET THIS TRAINING AS I WAS WANTING TO TRY TO GET A JOB AT BELGER CARTAGE IN KS CITY AND FELT ICOULD AT LEAST GET IN THE DOOR!
ANOTHER GUY WITH ME IN BASIC AND THE 842nd WAS ALSO EXPECTING TO GET CRANE TRAINING AT FT WOOD.
HE WAS ALSO SENT TO FT SHERIDAN!
ARRIVING AT SHERIDAN WE WERE ASSIGNED TO POST ENGINEERS, AND ON OUR FIRST DUTY DAY WE SERVICED A CRANE DOING AN OIL AND FILTER CHANGE AND COMPLETE LUBRICATION.
THE NEXT DAY WE WERE BOTH GIVEN SMALL FARM TRACTORS WITH MOWERS AND WERE ASSIGNED TO MOW THE OFFICERS GOLF COURSE FOR THE REMAINDER OF OUR 6 MONTHS RESERVE TIME!
I WAS MAD AS HELL FOR NOT GETTING THE CRANE TRAINING AND THE OTHER GUY WAS ALSO MAD AS HE WORKED HIWAY CONSTRUCTION AND FELT THE CRANE TRAINING WOULD HELP HIS TRIP UP THE LADDER!
NEITHER OF US BITCHED ABOUT THIS AS WE FELT IT WOULD CAUSE US TO BE ACTIVE DUTY WELL BEYOND THE ORIGINAL 6 MONTHS!
I WAS NOT SURPRISED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN TO ME BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS IN REPRISAL FOR MY POOR SHOWING IN BASIC!
THE OTHER GUY HOWEVER HAD NO ISSUES WITH THE SYSTEM AS I DID.
I HAVE OFTEN WONDERED IF THEY SCREWED US OUT OF OUR TRAINING AND USED US AS LAWN CARE GUYS TO AVOID HIRING 2 CIVIL SERVICE GUYS TO CARE FOR THE GOLF COURSE SO THAT MONETARY FUNDING COULD BE SPENT ELSE WHERE!
AFTER BACH HOME FROM MY 6 MONTHS,
I LUCKED INTO A 30 YEAR CARREER WITH THE AT&SF RR!!
I WEASLED OUT OF THE RESERVES OCT 1967,
2 WEEKS BEFORE THE VIETNAM TRIP IN MAY 1968 WAS ANNOUNCED FOR THE 842nd!!

Response by MAJ Michelle Goodnight made Oct 31 at 2019 11:59 AM

2019-10-31T11:59:14-04:00

My first duty site as an Army Officer was a Maine Corps base. I quickly learned that the previous OIC and senior NCO spent their entire three years living on base AND drawing full housing allowance. Because the housing was administered by the Navy and the paycheck by the Army, they hadn’t been caught. They robbed it on the face of their Soldiers (who struggled to pay for food and childcare) and bought vehicles they couldn’t truly afford, etc. they also did after hours stuff with government equipment and took cash payments. I reported all this to my CoC. Nothing happened. No investigation, nothing. Because the CoC has to sign off on the housing pay every month, so they were culpable. When I figured this out, I took my evidence to NCIS. They quickly investigated and addressed it. The previous OIC ended up having to repay roughly $100k and got an OTH discharge. Not sure about the NCO. I, however, got reprimanded by my command for going outside the CoC. Our MOS is small, so that started the end of my career. I managed to recover some at my next duty site and deployment. However, after I told my last CO that I was seeing mental health regularly for my PTSD, I was quickly made a scapegoat and drummed out.

Response by TSgt Gary McPherson made Nov 1 at 2019 6:39 PM

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I would try hard to be sure it was true and nor a rumor.If found true I would go to JAG for advice.If unable to find it true keep quit until it pops up again with proof.Let Jag advise if CID/OSI needs to be notified.He needs to pay for his actions if true but could ruin him if false. Very touchy subject

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2019 10:22 PM

2019-11-01T22:22:55-04:00

This is called "Whistle Blowing" the consequences can be over whelming, in 1985 I turned in a high ranking officer for embezzlement and supporting the KKK. My career was ruined and in 2015 I retired as an E-5 with 17 years time in grade of active duty. I was boarded for E-6 three times in which I passed twice and failed once. Each time the paper work mystically disappeared. It is a big step and if I had to do it all over a gain, I would do it again. In my opinion it takes great fortitude to endure it because everything and everyone will be against you.

Response by SPC Kyle Olson made Nov 14 at 2019 12:21 PM

2019-11-14T12:21:23-05:00

I'd get in on the profits, make money homie!

Response by PO1 Andrew Whitehead made Nov 18 at 2019 3:02 AM

2019-11-18T03:02:07-05:00

While on recruiting duty in New York (Jackson Heights), my partner would pay a guy in the city vital statistics $15 to make up a phony birth certificate and then place it in the files so the applicant (an illegal alien) could sign up for the Navy. He once showed me two birth certificates and asked me to pick out the fake. I picked the one that was clear and sharp and he picked up the 'fuzzy' one and laughed. He explained, the fuzzy one is the more accurate because the folks who did the photo copies did a zillion every day and they got the image 'good enough' to file away...so the fakes had to be just a little 'off' to not attract attention. He put in a few that way. He asked if I wanted in and I said no...three things...I was a drunk, I couldn't sink that low (personal ethics) and my career was on the downward path to shitsville and I didn't think anyone would believe me if I did turn him in.

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Dec 2 at 2019 10:03 AM

2019-12-02T10:03:09-05:00

There is only one answer. If the offense is a felony it must be reported. No need for discussion or contemplation.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2019 6:20 AM

2019-12-05T06:20:02-05:00

I've actually had to deal with this. Not in the military thankfully but in my civilian job beforehand. My boss that was a wonderfully nice guy, but he was too nice. He never wanted to get into confrontation with anyone so he'd let things slide.

Frequently the store's safe, which was counted every manager shift change (so every 6 hours), was missing money. It was never anything huge, $10 here, $15 there, etc. My boss rather than trying to crack down on the cashiers and managers who were either stealing money or doing their job poorly he would "make up money". To make up money he'd sell a product to the customer but never ring the item up in the system. Or ring it up as damaged to cancel out the transaction later.

All of the additional managers were asked to certify that the safe wasn't short money and instead make the money up.

I always had a problem with this. I'd confronted my boss multiple times that I was uncomfortable saying money was there when it wasn't and didn't like making money up because it was stealing from the store.

I eventually called our HR team and reported it. They fired him but I was on the shit list. A new manager came in and although no one else in the store knew it was me that new manager did and she made sure I was properly punished for it.

Write ups galore (I had worked 4 years and never received a write up until this manager), hours cut in half. All my manager shifts except the shitty Friday and Saturday nights were gone, I was assigned general employee shifts after that. Finally I quit when I discovered that she was trying to frame me, and get others to corroborate her story, of me stealing 75Lbs of shredded cheese. Yea the guy that reported the previous boss for theft is suddenly going to steal a small childs weight in cheese.

It was rediculous.

Response by SSG William Bruno made Dec 16 at 2019 2:34 PM

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My last assignment. The section chief was a civilian with no military background. She kept buying things for the section we had no need for. She justified it by saying she's going to make it all available for the Soldiers after she presented it to the post commander, who was not in my chain of command. It never happened. I reported it to my department NCOIC. My boss made the rest of that tour pure hell, but after my retirement she was relieved of her duties and the section was shut down.

Response by SSG Darrell Bullock made Dec 17 at 2019 4:18 AM

2019-12-17T04:18:27-05:00

Been though this situation on A.D. and then again in Reserve and all of times I have been screwed for doing the right thing. My way of looking at it is I can look at myself in the mirror and not be ashamed of what I see. I have lost rank, position and for that matter even my retirement.... If you want to think there is whistle blower protection.

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made Dec 29 at 2019 4:43 PM

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According to the rules and regulations, you are just as guilty for not reporting the incident as the individual committing the act. I have had to do things like this, it's not pleasant but it is required. Individuals like that hurt everyone of us.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Dec 29 at 2019 5:56 PM

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Response by PO3 Timothy Thomas made Jan 2 at 2020 5:23 PM

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It's what I did that nearly got me killed. After my report to the NIS at Portsmouth VA shipyard while we were in drydock.
On 6 separate occasions, 6 different men stopped me in the passageway. "F.U. Thomas. We're going to kill you and throw you over the side."
The last one I responded, Go ahead. Give it your best shot. If it's not my time to go, there's nothing you can do about it."

Well we were in port and out of the Yards. They tried me up in my bunk. Beat me black and blue and left me for dead.

The following morning, outside the door I heard them talking about it and laughing.

Walking in I said, "Excuse me. Good morning. Good morning. God bless you. I really need a cup of coffee."
One choked and spit out his coffee on another. One dropped his cup. A third poured his coffee down his shirt.
Sweetener and creamer, coffee in my cup. Turning only to find the Chief. They all left.
I asked him, "Is muster over already?"
He just told me to get to work.
They never threatened or bothered me again. They found out because the Chief was in on it.
It was serious enough that I thought that it warranted investigation. Would I do that again?
I'm sorry that I took a beating. Was it necessary for me to speak up? I think so because nobody else would.
A little anxiety about MRI machines and closed doors in small rooms, but I've coped.
I guess the realization hit me one day when my kids were little. I would eyeball everyone within a certain distance from my family and always face the entrance to the restaurant. After that time I knew that I was hyper vigilant.
It didn't hurt to be careful about the people I protect.

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Jan 4 at 2020 11:48 AM

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Th first step is to report your suspicion to a Judge Advocate for advice. If you suspect unusual backlash in your service report it to a Judge Advocate in a different service or a civilian attorney if you can afford one. Another option that might work with a politically charged problem would be to report it to your Congressman and/or Senator. If the politics is right you might even report it directly to the President like was done in the Green Beret murder case under President Nixon.

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made Jan 4 at 2020 7:38 PM

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I have read a few of the comments but not all. Two suggestions which can keep you off the mark for reprisals or otherwise affect your military career. One is to call the DOD Fraud Hotline. The hotline is headed up by a female retired CID Agent (a retired SGM) who I have known since she was a SGT and I was her detachment sergeant. They will route the lead to the correct investigative agency (CID, NCIS or AFOSI). That parent agency routes it to the geographical office to initiate the investigation. The investigating agency also has an obligation to keep the DODIG, who is the parent agency for the fraud hotline.

For the more local fraud, contact the local investigating agency (CID, NCIS or AFOSI). Ask to speak with the fraud team chief. Make an appointment to meet him/her away from the office, installation. Asked to be carried as a confidential source. I worked 17 years of fraud and attended the courses to make me very effective (DOD Property Disposal Operations Course, Basic Contracting Officer’s Course and the Army Club Management Course. Also, my youngest confidential source was 5 years old. The training and experience proved me well as an insurance fraud investigator after military retirement.

Response by CW4 Eric Clayton made Jan 5 at 2020 8:22 AM

2020-01-05T08:22:37-05:00

As a retired CID Agent, I loved fraud cases. Interestingly enough most cases came from senior officers O-6. The Captains were too busy surviving command, the Majors were just glad not to be Captains anymore, the LTC’s we’re dealing with Battalion Command which left the Colonels. Who’s gonna check the O-6? Most Colonels have lots of autonomy with minimal oversight. I remember a Colonel committing fraud with his leave and TDY while at Ft. Benning sometime ago. It took a LONG time to nail him because of the grip he had on his staff. It was a SFC with guts and nothing to lose to finally catch him. SJA and the CG has a field day with that “former” Colonel.

Response by Sgt William Coffee made Jan 5 at 2020 5:20 PM

2020-01-05T17:20:26-05:00

If (and I amplify if) that situation existed I would go to the nearest JAG office with my proof. Not rumors, not scuttlebutt, not E-club stories. Physical proof as in what you would need to defend yourself in court.

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Jan 6 at 2020 12:36 AM

2020-01-06T00:36:29-05:00

If you lack a moral compass and backbone you do nothing. As for me my moral compass can’t be purchased, it is not for sale. Unfortunately it is the way of the army to promote bad behavior and tarnish those who would stand for right. All you can do is go to bed at night knowing your honor and integrity are in tact. If that isn’t enough for you..... then you need to recalibrate your compass.

Response by SA Michael Moore made Jan 6 at 2020 12:51 PM

2020-01-06T12:51:37-05:00

Post Navy, I had this problem twice. 1st while I was working on a project for a Defense Contractor who was doing work for the White House in 1970. The boss required us to work from 6 am until 6 pm 6 days a week, but we were only paid for 40 hours. I learned we were billing the government for 72 hours a week. I complained to my management it was illegal and unfair. After no results, I sent a telegram to President Nixon. It was amazing how quickly I was off the job. like overnight. There was talk of pulling my DoD clearances, so I called the ACLU office. My clearances were not tampered with and I was not fired. My boss called me in and told me I had infinite job security but I would probably never see a promotion. I left for another job a few months later and had no problems. The second time,20 years later. my boss made a technical mistake causing damage to government equipment we were building. He falsified a report as to what had happened and used purchased spare parts (customer paid for) to repair the equipment. He was doing all this so as not to jeopardize a multi-million dollar incentive payment, but he lied and falsified documents, plus he began making reprisals against me. Having learned from my first experience, I acquired a sympathetic lawyer. I documented everything my boss did to me. I would not quit my job until I had all my ducks in a row. Each time he retaliated, I reported him to the ethics committee, and he would back off. Then one day he sent me a memo saying my signature authority to buy parts was withdrawn plus a few other odd things (I would have to get permission from him before I spoke with other supervisors!). I knew no one in management had seen this memo when he sent it to me. I wrote back with a two weeks notice of termination, and concurrently took two weeks vacation. My lawyer waited a few days (I meanwhile came in and worked on weekends and nights to get a project finished.) My lawyer sent my employer a letter suggesting they not try to tamper with my clearances and they ought to make sure I had good references from them if asked by my potential employers. I accepted another job elsewhere. Then I sued them. In the end, they spent over a million dollars trying to defend themselves, but we settled. We also made Federal Case Law which has helped others. The new rule was that in a matter of public policy, if a continuing threat of retaliation makes a person less likely to report fraud, waste or abuse, it makes the threat the same as though the retaliation had occurred. I came to believe we each have to stand wherever God puts us.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Jan 6 at 2020 3:20 PM

2020-01-06T15:20:31-05:00

Must be reported asap. I would not confront your supervisor. Be sure you have evidence and facts.
Report to JAG, whistle blowers are protected....simple as that.
There will be those who feel you should confront the leader, however, you would put yourself in jeapordy of an accomplice and or reprisal...
Hope this helps, let Jag investigate the situation. Good luck...hoorah!!

Response by LTC John Bush made Jan 6 at 2020 9:56 PM

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you must report it period. You may confront the individual and give them the opportunity to turn themselves in depending on the situation. But the military is totally dependent on honor and integrity so we can not accommodate untrustworthy individuals of any rank or position. Leave that crap to the politicians.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2020 6:42 PM

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Call the IG Hotline. You are protected by whistleblower laws. However, make sure that what your leader is committing is really fraud, and that your boss is not invoking an exception based on JAG's advice.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Jan 10 at 2020 8:01 AM

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Pass it on to CID.

Response by PO2 Brent Boughn made Jan 10 at 2020 10:32 AM

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I'd turn their ass in.

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Jan 10 at 2020 5:26 PM

2020-01-10T17:26:19-05:00

Report him to CID and let them handle it.

Response by SSG Randy Talbot made Jan 11 at 2020 9:41 PM

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Actually happened to me back in the early 1980's. I was the NCOIC of a clinic on the east coast and we were preparing for the inaugural joint commission on hospitals. This required a thorough review of all documentation, case notes, forms, calendars and manpower documents. While matching up schedules, I started noticing entries in the Psychiatrist (Col) log book that were outside referrals from a former employee for insurance purposes. Basically, he was taking on pay patients during duty hours in a military facility. Once I was able to uncover about a year of entries. I contacted our senior captain and explained what I found. We turned this over to CID and a few months later we learned of his punishment. He was taken off the promotion list (#1), received a GO letter of reprimand and was given a retirement date.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Jan 11 at 2020 11:29 PM

2020-01-11T23:29:13-05:00

Yes, I’ve seen shady deals made by all levels. I always believed that if it were done to the benefit of the unit, it weren’t a shady deal, just an alternate sourcing task. If it was a personal shady deal just for their benefit, one warning and then drop a dice if the behavior doesn’t change.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2020 7:38 AM

2020-01-13T07:38:36-05:00

Integrity. Do the right thing.

Response by SPC Doug Kibbey made Jan 18 at 2020 11:38 PM

2020-01-18T23:38:30-05:00

I only had one such experience in 3 years, and it arose in BCT (1971). Due to having a couple of years of military school, I was appointed a trainee platoon leader (I was not grateful for this distinction). Three weeks in, two guys in "my" plt came to me wanting to report our E-6 D.Sgt. to the CO. He had been extorting money (base pay in 71 was $129/mo.) under the guise of a "loan", and/or hitting them up for assignations with wives or girlfriends. Wanted to know how best to proceed. Explained the concept of chain of command and other ramifications of what it meant to start something like this. Would I take the matter to the Sr. D. Sgt, a very colorful E-7, but with an air of character about him).
Thanks guys, this was not part of my plan of "invisibility" but agreed. It was a LONG walk down the hall to his office and related the issue. He sighed and said "Well, this man has stubbed his toe before" (inwardly I was much relieved as I now had credibility. For obvious reasons, he asked if we might settle this at his level. Knowing a good offer when I heard it, asked what he had in mind We obviously could take this higher if he didn't hold up his end, as a "balance of terror" now existed. "Would that be acceptable?". This Pvt. E-1 asked to verify with the guys, but it sounded like a good plan if the problem stopped and there were no "punishments" for having reported it.

The D.Sgt. was gone that night and not one word was spoken about it by us or his staff, who he had to brief. I told the guys there is to be no gloating, no discussion, no nothing & no D. Sgt. ever mentioned it or meted out any special "attention".

The Sr. D. Sgt never once asked for the trainees names and I was kept in my "position" until graduation.

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Feb 2 at 2020 8:36 PM

2020-02-02T20:36:03-05:00

I have had this situation. A motor SGT was stealing, using and selling expendable supplies. P.O.L, paint mogas etc.
This was brought to my attention by a few of his mechanics. It was a difficult decision to make. I decided to set a meeting with a Chaplain. They have autonomy, resources and connections. At this point I stepped aside. The issue was handled very professionally. The Motor SGT was investigated by CID and arrested.

Response by PFC Ray Aquila made Feb 7 at 2020 6:10 PM

2020-02-07T18:10:55-05:00

Fraud is rampant in or out of the military. Robo-calls, telemarketers and the like. With first hand knowledge if I had strong evidence, I would confront the individual and reason with him/her to stop. If this didn't work then I would take steps to bring attention going up the chain. Someone is bound to listen. As to using the Whistle Blower rule in effect. Yes I would turn the individual(s) in.

Response by MAJ Edgar S OteroMuniz made Feb 8 at 2020 6:27 PM

2020-02-08T18:27:05-05:00

Well, I wouldn’t jump the whole chain of command like LTC V did. I will confront him on the spot and also depending on the circumstances. For example, he/she’s drinking and driving (heck no!). I don’t care what rank you are I’ll take your keys away and I can deal with the consequences the following day. However, if we are in a combat zone and my CDR just shot an innocent civilian (innocent or not) I would keep my mouth shut until CID comes to get my statement. Obviously you don’t want to have a gun show with your CDR. Either example was crappie I know. But it always depends on the circumstances and he/she has the benefit of the doubt. Now, as a whistleblower in terms of fraud/waste/abuse you go and immediately report.

Response by SFC(P) John McLaughlin made Feb 8 at 2020 7:39 PM

2020-02-08T19:39:01-05:00

It all comes down to the 7 Army Values that I still use today.

Loyalty
Duty
Respect
Selfless Service
Honor
Integrity
Personal Courage.

I use it at home and at work with which I am LT. for state corrections.

Response by LTC Andrew Addison made Feb 9 at 2020 4:03 PM

2020-02-09T16:03:30-05:00

Personally I was scammed by a LTC at the Pentagon when I requested payment for my leave time that I earned while deployed to Afghanistan. 10 years later and I'm still owed my money for leave time I earned and still not paid. The good ol boys at the Pentagon protected each other by not paying me what I earned.

Response by MSgt Sidney Lichter made Feb 9 at 2020 5:51 PM

2020-02-09T17:51:53-05:00

I had a similar situation in the mid-1980s. We were converting from one computer system to another when I discovered the possibility of fraud; it was possible to change the data on checks after the print file was created and before it was actually printed. I told my supervisor about it and he put me in touch with someone who could prevent that from happening.

Response by PO1 Richard Sloniker made Feb 9 at 2020 10:07 PM

2020-02-09T22:07:23-05:00

Burn them like a pan of Jiffy Pop.

Response by COL Larry Sage made Feb 12 at 2020 8:18 PM

2020-02-12T20:18:43-05:00

Report facts to IG and then next higher supervisor or next higher chain-of-command.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2020 4:07 AM

2020-02-13T04:07:30-05:00

Do the right thing but tread lightly make sure you have proper documentation ans evidence to prove your findings speak to the legal office make sure you speak to a civilian lawyer to protect your self against reprisals

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Feb 14 at 2020 4:14 PM

2020-02-14T16:14:07-05:00

Point of fact -- I've read too damn much in the course of my life. However, when I deal with situations like this, I recall a line that was constantly quoted about Kim Philby the KGB plant in MI6 during WWII through the mid 50s. EM Forester in one of his books wrote, "I would betray my country before I betrayed a friend." I spent time thinking about that and decided that I didn't like EM Forester and really had issues with anyone who thought that way. It hurts to have to do something like that, but it will hurt worse to ignore it. Bending rules to deal with on-going reality is one thing; hence my refusal to aggressively seek violators of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. If I didn't ask and you didn't tell me, then I didn't know. But, on the other hand, when one of my soldiers came close to telling me about an adulterous relationship, I made certain to tell him in no uncertain terms that as soon as he told me anything like that, I would have to read him his rights and go from there.

With superiors, it gets a bit trickier perhaps, but I made a practice of reacting immediately to anything that struck me as a problem area by just seeking clarification. "Could explain that to me SGM/ LT/ CAP/ COL because I don't see how we can do that..." probably kept a few people I worked for out of jail. And, of course, me out of jail. But, I also was prepared to go up the chain of command and the IG channels if needed. It kept me grounded.

Frankly, far more problems in civilian life and my obstinate and recurring problem with ethical standards -- I had some, lots of people in business have none -- made my civilian career a bit daunting at times. Came to an end when the corporate overlords got really tired of me raising issues and decided to go another way. I took a deep breath, continued working and solving problems until they shut down my computer access, and followed the ghost of Elvis out of the building. When CID interrupted my day to ask me to meet and answer some questions about various fraud, waste, and abuse issues that'd I had made noise about internally, I left them pay for my iced tea and was honest.

We're not saints, prophets or martyrs in the service. But, like LTC Vindaman, we actually have some more morality and ethics pounded into us in various ways and except for our own socio-, psycho, and weak souls, we gain them of life. We discover we can't stand anymore at our peril, but in the case of people like General Kelly or General Mattis or an infinite number of other former members of this, our extended military family, we find life much more pleasant not dealing with the psycho- and sociopathic types that rise to the top in a lot of organizations where service to something greater is not the be-all and end-all of our lives and existence. I will willingly fight and die for my country and my brothers and sisters, but my willingness to sacrifice starts to pale in the service of the shareholder value and the perks and privileges of the deranged, demented and destructive.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2020 6:21 PM

2020-02-14T18:21:53-05:00

I did, and it led to my decision to retire after facing clear threats of reprisal by senior personnel. When O6s and above pull this kind of crap, it's time to leave. Too much good old boy CYA activity. But now that I'm out, I can address it without fear of reprisal.

Response by CW4 Jim Shelburn made Feb 14 at 2020 7:46 PM

2020-02-14T19:46:29-05:00

If someone is doing something illegal, it needs to be reported.

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Feb 17 at 2020 12:50 PM

2020-02-17T12:50:50-05:00

When I was deployed in 1992 and our "Voting Representative Officer" who was supposed to mail off the voting slips for our sailors to vote in both the Primaries and Presidential Elections failed to do his job correctly for the absentee ballots. We found them in his berthing space at the time because he was able to hold them as a Security Officer and have single occupancy in his BOQ space aboard ship. He was never court-martialed or punished for his dereliction of duty. Instead, he was able to end his career with a General Discharge and Resign his commission.

Response by AB Edward Mondini made Feb 20 at 2020 8:42 PM

2020-02-20T20:42:03-05:00

Please refer to the legal term “accessory after the fact”.

Response by CWO4 Miles Weaver made Mar 22 at 2020 12:54 PM

2020-03-22T12:54:53-04:00

Report it.

Response by CPT Phil Herman made Mar 29 at 2020 3:50 AM

2020-03-29T03:50:07-04:00

Without going into details, I believe any officer who is engaged with his command, will become aware of issues that could be problematic to the integrity of the unit. I will also state that when in combat the level of discretionary authority can be much broader. For example, the "acquisition" of vital materials "may" require diversion from more "established" chains. This action, although subject to official sanctions, is not intended for personal gain, profit or illegal "enterprise" but is taken to support the men who will and are performing a vital mission.

Although claiming deniability by remaining ignorant (or claiming ignorance) may be an answer to senior command upon discovery of the "diversion", a true leader will, 1) either stop or prevent such actions, or 2) stand responsible for the actions of the men under your command. There is no middle ground and a true leader will not leave his men to hang for actions he was aware of and supported, either by commission or omission.

Integrity is something that cannot be taken from you; you are the only one who can give it up. Once lost, it is nearly impossible to gain it back.

There is a difference in circumventing red tape for the mission and compromising integrity so someone can profit with personal gain. By turning a blind eye to this - by not performing your constitutional oath of office - you enter into a symbiotic relationship. A relationship of condoning the illegal action(s) by commission or omission. Eddie Rickenbacker stated "Courage is doing what you are afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you are scared." Ultimately, someone will know what you did and what you decided. Not everyone will support you regardless of your decision. This is why you have been chosen for the command position you hold.

Response by 1SG Tommy McGee made Mar 29 at 2020 11:20 AM

2020-03-29T11:20:30-04:00

I had a bad experience with a New lieutenant when I was a 1SG.

I caught a second lieutenant in my company having sexual relations with a private. I reported him to the company commander and he sent him packing. I later found out that the battalion commander was an acquaintance of his. Several years later I was assigned to another company in the same battalion and this turd was sent to be the commader of the company that he he was having sexual relations with multiple lower enlisted soldiers. He didn’t even get a letter of reprimand when he was caught again, as the commander.
I ruffled feathers reporting him but he wasn’t held to the rules, regulations and standards that any service member should be held to.
Always hold the standard no matter what. Honesty, integrity, honor, and courage will help you through your career. Politics and selfish people are everywhere.

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Mar 29 at 2020 8:10 PM

2020-03-29T20:10:37-04:00

Turn their sorry behinds in.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Mar 29 at 2020 8:54 PM

2020-03-29T20:54:29-04:00

FRY HIS ASS!

Response by SPC Russ Bolton made Mar 29 at 2020 11:14 PM

2020-03-29T23:14:26-04:00

Break the law get reported. When committing fraud costs everyone. Thieves cost others too much money. Doing right is hard enough to watch someone cheating the system. Be blessed

Response by SSgt Anita Heuss made Mar 30 at 2020 12:22 AM

2020-03-30T00:22:31-04:00

I figure if I found out about it others can/will also and if they turn him/her in then there will be an investigation and if it is found out I knew and did not turn him/her in then I am in trouble too. So I am going to be the one doing the turning in to protect myself. May sound selfish but that is the way life works.

Response by CAPT David Hinson made Apr 6 at 2020 12:07 PM

2020-04-06T12:07:21-04:00

I was once ordered to complete the advancement courses for one of my enlisted who had not done them (COs were graded at the time by advancement percentages). I asked the CO (an O-5) to put that in writing. After a moment, he revised his order to "do whatever it takes to insure his courses are turned in". I had to spend a weekend with him asking the questions one-by-one, then having him look up the answers (he knew almost none of them), then mark down the answers. Courses completed, but he failed the advancement exam. CO not happy with me!
A couple of years later he was caught (as an O-6) during a field exercise for numerous violations and bad judgement decisions (staying in hotels nightly with his family vs. in the field with the unit; private transit to field with family in personal car vs. convoy with unit; etc.). Went to Flag Mast; relieved and retired immediately. Should have been more.

Response by Sandy Linden made Apr 6 at 2020 3:31 PM

2020-04-06T15:31:28-04:00

Stay silent. Unless I was ready to suffer consequences

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2020 1:16 AM

2020-04-07T01:16:25-04:00

Unfortunately this does happen quite often in our military but also out in the real world. I’ve been on many JAGs and I can’t tell you how many were just plain stupidity and no common sense. I remember after firing on the Rifle Range at Camp Hanson, just before I was ready to turn my weapon into the Armory, a terrible accident happened. An innocent Marine Armorer and a couple of Marines were seriously injured. Unfortunately the young Marine didn’t survive and another Marine Officer. If it happened on my watch I would definitely go up the Chain of Comand.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Apr 22 at 2020 9:14 PM

2020-04-22T21:14:38-04:00

tell the MP'S

Response by SSG George Duncan made Apr 22 at 2020 9:15 PM

2020-04-22T21:15:50-04:00

tell the MP's

Response by CW3 Dick McManus made Apr 29 at 2020 6:11 PM

2020-04-29T18:11:40-04:00

Fires in the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings only burnt in one office (one place) some 20 to 30 minutes before it moved to fine new fuel and only some 600 to 1,400 degrees F. at the hottest, and not anywhere hot enough to melt steel. And in areas that were not hit by the airplanes, the fire proofing was likely not knocked off the steel beams and columns. And the 47 story tall WTC building seven was not hit by an airplane.

The following links/url will take you to the You-tube videos wherein experts explain the evidence that points to the official story as one big fat LIE, and our US government agency National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) (John Gross) Lied.

Steel melts at 2,750 degree F. See the photo of yellow hot steel (2,192 F.) being removed from the WTC wreckage at http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html)
There is a video of yellow colored steel dripping off the side of the south Twin Tower just before it collapsed. It is not aluminum metal because it is silver colored as a liquid.

Video classes Part 2, about the science of 9/11 truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrogMzHaFtg&list=UUL-c_zvZ3lhlU7NU1ikxgmQ

Part 3, focuses on why there was molten steel found in the wreckage piles.
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/videos/video/201-9-11-an-architect-s-guide-part-3-the-twin-towers-and-extreme-heat

9/11 Whistleblower: Kevin Ryan former UL scientist
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kevin+ryan++9%2F11&view=detail&mid=C54C4CE39E87D2ED79A2C54C4CE39E87D2ED79A2&FORM=VIRE&fbclid=IwAR1iZF8PwQQK9UXlmtOq0lFdBxvCK-82L2juolGGcqatD-gYXsIsZ2o7O-A

“But someone would have talked by now”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOWRLoNOhRs&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3ziEq6mBVhmZjSqAZmfK6u6T2PRvXAXQZ0zB6fajhFul0e6a2xvaqbCHI

The 9/11 Commission whistleblowers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOBwfEWXxPY

9/11 Whistleblower: Michael Springmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooj_KOoVmAI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1EpjU9sW3J5R9JtO4PYgYM5-ArljH-L3K0nRSgGVjNC8YLI9nvheP3vCU

9/11 Whistleblowers: William Rodriguez
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The New Pearl Harbor revisited
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The 9/11 Official Story is Total BS
66 pages of the most shocking evidence
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or my 13 page summary.

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9/11 and Anthrax: An Interview with Dr. Graeme MacQueen
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We went to war in Afghanistan via the half-baked AUMF, but Al Qaeda or Talban could not have made the wreckage piles at ground zero as hot as they were. THE AFGHANISTAN PAPERS A secret history of the war
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/documents-database/

Resolution for a New Congressional Investigation regarding the alleged terrorist incidents on September 11, 2001

WHEREAS some 3, 281 architects and engineers (AE911truth.org,) more than 15,000 scientists, including 52 Nobel laureates and 63 recipients of the National Medal of Science, some 320 skilled commercial of military pilots (Pilots for 9/11 Truth), and some 58 elected public officials are saying that scientific irrefutably evidence proves that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed by explosives.

WHEREAS If over 3,281 architects and engineers (AE911truth.org) told us the school your kids go to will very likely collapse, would you still allow them to go to that school?

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Response by CW3 Dick McManus made Apr 29 at 2020 6:12 PM

2020-04-29T18:12:27-04:00

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Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Apr 30 at 2020 6:26 AM

2020-04-30T06:26:46-04:00

Got to pick your battles carefully

Response by PO3 Kevin DeLong made Apr 30 at 2020 1:39 PM

2020-04-30T13:39:34-04:00

This happened to my brother in Vietnam. A officer in my brothers command was writing off weapons' as damaged beyond repair or lost in combat operations. In actuality the weapons' were fine and he was sending them to a civilian contractor in Saigon who would ship them to the United States then sell them at a huge profit. My brother E-5 reported it to the captain 0-3. As the thief was a 0-5 LT col with 22 years he had to go to the COL 0-6. The Col told the LT Col to put in his papers to retire and nothing else would be done. The 0-5 Was well protected as he was a ring knocker from West point. He also had friends with high political power who could block the COL pending promotion to 0-7. So the COL let him slide and he was promoted 2 months later to General. The LT col retired and was given a retirement medal from the COL for his outstanding work.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2020 3:45 PM

2020-04-30T15:45:14-04:00

Report it and make a note of it. Silence is acceptance of the act. Sometimes you have to have the moral courage and integrity to fall upon one's sword so to speak.
I had a reputation for calling BS and running things up that were not on the level. Got too many butt chewings and a handful of "don't air our dirty laundry out of house" counseling statements from officers that didn't have the evidence or means to bring it to a field grade 15 or higher. In the end my retirement award was the acting battalion CO signing my clearing papers as quickly as he could to get me gone. My EOS award was "lost" multiple times and I never received one.

Response by Sgt Alex Graham made Apr 30 at 2020 6:04 PM

2020-04-30T18:04:02-04:00

We were flying a FAC mission back in 7/1970 up near the Plain of Jars on Route 7 and got a TIC call to help a SF team getting overrun. We had a couple of Sandys with nothing left on the hardpoints but Nape. By law, we had to ask the Air Attache down in Vientiane for permission to drop it first but my GIF called it in anyway without even asking. I wouldn't have even thought of turning him in. The world has changed dramatically since then. Drugs. Sexual assault. Running illegals over the border. Stealing govt. property. These are things that make you wonder what happened to morals. It used to mean something when you held up your right hand.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2020 1:41 PM

2020-05-01T13:41:12-04:00

In 1984 a crime was committed against my wife while I was Ft. Erwin for Desert Training; CID was involved and during their lack of an investigation her case had stalled, nothing was being done. I then confronted the CID Agent in which he threatened me. I started my own investigation using the freedom of information act when I learned that the person who committed the crime was under the protection of CID. This led me to go the FBI where I was told their was nothing they could do because the crime was on a Military Installation; however the FBI agent that I talked to had extensive knowledge of the person who committed the crime against my wife and that he was also a very active member in the KKK. This led me to trials court documentation and personal interviews where I learned a very Senior Officer on the post was also involved in the KKK as well as embezzlement. I took all the documentation to another Post Commander at a different post where the matter was investigated and I was reassigned, several months later my house was repossessed for late payments despite that fact that my payments were a payroll deduction and all payments were accounted for. I then received a phone call from my branch manager telling me that I hade a snow balls chance in hell of making E-5 and E-7 was out of the question. I retired in 2015 as an E-5 Sergeant with 25 years time in service and 17 years time in grade. I would do it all over again I had to, it is very bold decision and if anyone is going to be a whistle blower they should think long and hard. Their is no protection. I went to the board three times passed twice and failed once.

Response by MAJ Phil Bundy made May 3 at 2020 1:26 PM

2020-05-03T13:26:36-04:00

Without hesitation, I would turn them in. I once had a Company Commander who tried to cover up a fuel spill from one of our fuel tankers. His actions were not only illegal; they were unethical. I turned him in to both military and civil authorities. Yes, I took a lot of hits from people for doing so, even had a Brigade Commander tell me my actions brought disgrace to my uniform. Immediately after he walked away, the Brigade CSM shook my hand and said, "I'd follow you, sir."

Either our oaths mean something, or they don't. It's as simple as that.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 3 at 2020 1:26 PM

2020-05-03T13:26:57-04:00

As long as you have enough rank for someone to actually care it might go somewhere. It may depend on the infraction but so far it’s always had to wait until an E-8 or officer notices.
Unfortunately in guard world we do have things that happen like this and if you’re not an NCO reporting it won’t do anything except getting you chewed out. We have had people drunk on duty before, officers and NCOs alike, and it really doesn’t matter how many E-4s and below go report it even with video and a vehicle accident. Gets swept under the rug in some units.

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made May 3 at 2020 7:30 PM

2020-05-03T19:30:50-04:00

If it was an obvious violation of a law or regulation, I would report him/her to the appropriate authorities. If it was a border line situation, I would ask him where he intended to go with his actions. In Viet nam, two guys in my platoon found a teenage woman in a village. That was a very rare occurrence as the locals seemed to effectively hide young women. They started to remove her top. I stepped in and reminded them that they have women in their family so think before you go to jail. They slinked off knowing fully well that had I come by and they were touching her, they would have been charged with whatever violation this fell under.
In my business, I had a maintenance guy take a piece of equipment. Others turned him in. He had to be fired even though, had he simply asked for the item, he could have had it. Sadly, common sense is sometimes not to common.

Response by PO2 Patrick Dwyer made May 4 at 2020 1:39 AM

2020-05-04T01:39:42-04:00

Depending on the specific circumstance I would approach the individual and tell them to turn themselves in or I am immediately reporting it if I am good friends with this person. If there is an anonymous Fraud, waste or abuse program I would use that. I would have to be honest. If it is a pen.... No. I blew the whistle on 2 cops ditching a dead body Jan 12, 1993 and got hammered for it. Got the job back through arbitration with back pay but the whistleblower usually is the one penalized.

Response by Maj Martin Smith made May 5 at 2020 7:11 PM

2020-05-05T19:11:02-04:00

I found a diesel fuel tank with a capacity of 10,000 bbls (420,000 USG) which on paper had close to 7 million USG in it. We had to have only US Military sign for the fuel deliveries and only US Military gauge the tanks daily. Too many people were just glancing at the forms not reading them and it went on for years. This occurred at a PACAF base in the late 60s. Base is now shuttered.

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made May 8 at 2020 10:37 AM

2020-05-08T10:37:55-04:00

In 1986 my reporting official a female 1st Lt was in the office speaking with a MSgt at his desk right across from mine. She was showing him photos and told him she could get him more photos and videos for a very low price. I looked up from my work and she flashed a photo my way and said you can't see these. The photo was a nude sex scene of her and a male engaged in intercourse. I thought for a moment and thought to myself I'd had basic trainees discharged for less. I informed the Lt to cease and desist her activity and that she was under apprehension. I then told our admin specialist to call the SP's and our boss a Major. She said you can't stop me. I responded with"Ma'am you are in direct violation of the UCMJ and are to remain here until the SP's arrive". Which she did. As it turned out she and several other officers were involved in a porn for sale ring. She was courts martialed and dishonorably discharged along with several others.

Response by SSG(P) Danielle Birtha made May 9 at 2020 4:58 PM

2020-05-09T16:58:42-04:00

PRECEDENT: Hilary Clinton was exonerated for the Felony Capital crimes found in her PC, because they found no Government Classified Information on it... when ANY Cop, or person who watches Cop shows can tell you... any crime 'discovered' under a lawful warrant, is NOT ignored... IT IS INVESTIGATED AND PROSECUTED... NOT EXONERATED... Shame on the FBI, and ALL law enforcement who are IGNORING the Laws of the U.S. to allow criminals to be free to commit crime... especially those who are paid by we the people, to serve and protect... WE THE PEOPLE FROM OUR ENEMIES... not to serve and protect the invaders and felons >(
MY FATHER AND GRANDFATHER, PROUD HONEST POLICE OFFICERS, ARE CRYING IN THEIR GRAVES AT THE PERVERSION BEING DONE TO OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM BY ENEMIES INSIDE OUR GOVERNMENT... THOSE WHO LEGISLATE LAWS LIKE DACA, TRADE DEALS, AND SANCTUARY FOR INVADERS... TRAITORS TO WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHOM THEY ARE SWORN TO PROTECT FROM ALL ENEMIES >(
Edward Snowden "whistleblower" who is supposed to be protected by Law, was declared a traitor, and fled to Russia, BECAUSE HE TATTLED ON THE TRAITORS WHO ARE USING OUR TAXES TO AID OUR ENEMIES >(
LOL... blow the whistle on a criminal in these United States, AND YOU GO TO JAIL.

--> Go ahead... keep allowing criminal traitors to be in charge of this Nation... OPENLY VIOLATING EVERY PART OF THE LAW THAT COMMANDS THEM TO BE LOYAL TO U.S. ....
and expect to be free to whistle blow on the criminals.

--> U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381 TREASON: "Whoever, OWING ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES, levies war against them OR ADHERES TO THEIR ENEMIES, giving them AID AND COMFORT WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ELSEWHERE, IS GUILTY OF TREASON AND SHALL SUFFER DEATH, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

According to Pelosi, Shiff, Nadler... "CHINA IS THE ENEMY! RUSSIA IS THE ENEMY!! NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!!!"
--> As they Legislate Our Nation's PROSPEROUS BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY into the hands of OUR ENEMIES!!!
--> DECLARING THEMSELVES TO BE ABOVE THE LAW!!!!
The Law says (still) that the Death Punishment for High Treason is Handing by the Neck, Until DEAD.
No... not lynching, which breaks the neck... drawn up by a rope around the neck, until the feet can't touch the ground, and left until dead.
What did they ask during the Impeachment? What would the Founding Fathers do if they were here today, to witness Trump's crimes?
George Washington himself would execute each of the traitorous $#@%@#$% who attempted to overthrow this Republic's lawfully elected President, by overruling the entire Constitution ...
--> IMMEDIATELY... ON THE SPOT... MUSKET BALL TO THE HEAD!!!!
NO TRIAL NEEDED... THEIR TREASON IS OVERT!!!
THEIR TREASON IS CONFESSED TO THE WORLD, IN THEIR WORDS, AND THEIR SIGNATURES ON THOSE LEGISLATED TREASONOUS LAWS >(

Stop believing the media hype...
everything you need to know is right here: archives.gov ... READ the Constitution...
--> SEE THE TREASON OF OUR ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANTS!!!

Response by SSG Eric Blue made May 24 at 2020 5:43 PM

2020-05-24T17:43:28-04:00

During my career, I'd run into many situations of fraud, waste, and abuse from seniors and peers. Mostly from my time in 1st BCT in the 82nd Airborne Division and the former 172nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team (they fall under 25th Infantry Division now). Each time, I let the guilty party know that I knew about what they were doing, how it was wrong, and gave them the opportunity to come fix what was wrong before I let the seniors know. In some cases, the seniors were in on it. In other cases, I was simply told to "STFU and do WTF I say, not WTF I do!" Either way, I blew the whistle, and face just about every form of reprisal you can think of, up to and including being passed over for promotion. BUT I found ways to make sure they saw punishment. Just not UCMJ.

Response by PO2 Trevor Porter made Jun 4 at 2020 6:20 PM

2020-06-04T18:20:19-04:00

It all depends on how much of a fight or how much you want to set your career back. While there is a no retaliation policy there will be retaliation and it will make your life miserable. The best course of action in my opinion would to privately talk to the person maybe they will stop. Maybe you'll end up with a bloody nose, either way you will know how to proceed after the initial interaction.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2020 7:45 PM

2020-06-07T19:45:30-04:00

Visit the JAG office.
No need to get too specific during the first visit.
Simply describe what you're seeing (or believe you're seeing) and get a determination from trained legal professionals on whether it's legal or illegal.
Once that's determined, they should also be able to lend guidance on your responsibilities in the matter, if any.

Response by SPC John Schembari made Jun 7 at 2020 10:22 PM

2020-06-07T22:22:48-04:00

I would have to have absolute proof not hearsay then depending on my relationship i might have a talk in hopes to turnaround the situation if not i would definitely turn that person in! Rank doesn't give privilege. In vietnam I was rewarded some R&R in Vung Tau with another member of my unit, we had an acting platoon Sargent who turned us in for being AWOL thinking he was getting brownie points. We were picked up and in the brig for 2 hours until the mess was straitened out! The MP's were pissed because they had to do paperwork for nothing. We made a deal! when the Jerk went on his R&R in Vung Tau i was instructed to notify the MP's "He spent the weekend in the brig" payback is a bitch!

Response by SPC Daniel Rule made Jun 9 at 2020 10:56 AM

2020-06-09T10:56:45-04:00

I was a supply specialist assigned to a supply room and we had some compasses come up missing along with Binos and NVG and when they couldn’t be found everyone in the supply room had to pay for them, even though I was only there for 3 weeks At the time of things coming up missing and my insistence that I had never seen the items in question. He later got arrested for rape of an unconscious E4 female while on TDY. After that the MPs went to his house and found all the missing property. Me and the other supply personnel that were charged were not given our money back or the property that we paid for. And the MPs that found the stuff just made it disappear because they didn’t want to cause his wife anymore heart ache or financial hardship.

Response by Sgt Ed Allen made Jun 9 at 2020 5:29 PM

2020-06-09T17:29:21-04:00

Maybe not illegal, but how about unethical? While I didn't turn him in, I did testify against my NCOIC when he falsely charged a L/Cpl with being UA. The SSgt had a hard on for the L/Cpl, and myself for that matter, because we would not back down from helping a women SSgt. He ordered the entire dept to refuse assistance to her in learning a programming language for a new computer system in the early 1980s. Myself and the L/Cpl still helped to train her. When the NCOIC told me, specifically, not to help, I reminded him that it was I, as a PFC, who had taught him that very same language and that I could not withhold the same knowledge from her that he had gained.
While this was not "illegal", it was, at the very least unethical.
In retribution he charged the L/Cpl as UA from a last minute field day of the barracks. However, the L/Cpl had been dismissed from work 2 hours before the announcement of the field day because he was the duty the night before.
Truth can be a powerful tool. The SSgt/NCOIC looked like the idiot he was, the L/Cpl was found not guilty by the CO and I dealt with the blowback. For 2 years he tried everything he could to get me reduced in rank from Cpl to PFC, including several false statements to my CO. In the end, I got the satisfaction of him receiving a Christmas card from Sgt Allen.

Response by MAJ Myron Skulas made Jun 11 at 2020 8:28 AM

2020-06-11T08:28:40-04:00

I blew the whistle on our group commander, and it resulted in no action against him, but it cost me my career.

Response by CPT Kevin Connolly made Jun 12 at 2020 11:27 AM

2020-06-12T11:27:25-04:00

It depends. First, do I have a legal duty to report this to appropriate auithorities? Duty is the first call on my conduct. Second, in the absence of a legal duty to report, is there a likelihood that the mud will splash onto me when the poo-poo hits the propellor? If so, then I get on record with the wrongdoer and document with an impartial witness. Otherwise, who am I to judge?

Response by SSG Craig Newton made Jun 13 at 2020 2:24 AM

2020-06-13T02:24:55-04:00

I would turn their ass in. I’m old enough to not give a shit about the consecutive me.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Jun 15 at 2020 12:28 PM

2020-06-15T12:28:16-04:00

COL Mikel J. Burroughs MIKEL!!!! How you been Sir? How is the VR Site going? Now for my answer to the question above I would Report Him/Her (since I've had Both Male and Female CO's) To the Higher authorities Depending on where they were in the Chain of Command would dictate which Big Dog I would report them to.

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Jun 15 at 2020 2:02 PM

2020-06-15T14:02:52-04:00

I would report them after I had a trail of evidence.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2020 3:36 PM

2020-06-18T15:36:59-04:00

Notify CID.
Everyone has one of these stories. And they all end the same way: everyone gets what's coming to them.

Response by CPT Michael Moyers made Jun 21 at 2020 9:13 PM

2020-06-21T21:13:45-04:00

I actually just left my job due to this. My boss’s moral compass did not point in the same direction as mine.

My direct supervisor was a VP who was extremely close friends with a contracted staff member (like, going on vacations together). She would constantly try to get her friend more work in our program, without even looking at other contractors. The situation came to a head when one of the other contractors asked for a rate increase at his contract renewal. He wasn’t asking for anything exorbitant, and he does outstanding work so it was really a no-brainer. The first thing my boss wanted to know was if we were going to offer the same increase to her friend. Her pretense was that “we can’t pay a man more than a woman to do the same job.” However, this was never even mentioned with the other positions which use contractors, male and female. As I dug more into the relationship, I found that the state agency we worked for had removed the contractor from full-time employment in the program because she was using her private business to funnel business to the organization and vice versa.

The worst part being that my boss saw absolutely nothing wrong with what she was doing, despite the fact that people have gone to prison for doing exactly that.

Response by Robert Harris made Jul 5 at 2020 7:18 PM

2020-07-05T19:18:13-04:00

I sprinkled several of my so called Military Leaders with certain obvious Facts, but their vanity refuses to Notice the obvious & the results on their part is devastating, but prior to this they made sure to Retaliate Against me. I've experienced this same scenario all throughout my Military journey and Noticed that there will always be someone trying to get over on the next person, especially if you're an officer.

Response by SSG Rob Hanson made Jul 7 at 2020 8:05 PM

2020-07-07T20:05:52-04:00

It's called an integrity check. Blowback doesn't factor in, otherwise you're just as guilty.

Response by SGT Ron Cummings made Jul 10 at 2020 8:20 PM

2020-07-10T20:20:25-04:00

Had a friend who was NCOIC of a specialty clinic at a large Army hospital. One of the doctors had a lucrative private practice off base, which was fine, but he was stocking it with supplies taken from the clinic on post. She reported it, he was told to remember to ask to "borrow" things, got reassigned and never saw another promotion. Fortunately she was a SFC and had enough rank to retire in a few years later.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2020 9:28 PM

2020-07-10T21:28:11-04:00

Ha, turned in my 1SG for drug seeking behavior and all I got to face were repurcussions.......for almost 4 months while on rotation in Germany.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2020 2:52 AM

2020-07-11T02:52:08-04:00

When you raised your hand you took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. So to me this includes all the laws so if someone is committing a crime regardless of who it is they need to be turned in. I have a zero tolerance policy.

Response by SSG James Stodola made Jul 12 at 2020 11:12 AM

2020-07-12T11:12:13-04:00

Short answer, yes I would turn this in. Longer answer, you would have to be careful how you do it as there would obviously be many pitfalls to sidestep in this process, especially the way the military does things. This is basically the same "greed" that infests this nation right now by all the corporations and the government, in order to finance their little side projects or themselves personally, as in the 1st Sgt. Healy's story. This is nothing new for the military or the nation, I think greed has been with us since the dawn of time and over that time has gotten even more and more sophisticated in nature and in process. I personally have not been party to anything like this in my career and am happy for that because I think it would a definite burden on your sense, your life in general and your future way of thinking towards your fellow personnel, and almost building a wall of a certain level of mistrust with them. Life would not be easy from that point forward. Would I have protection, technically yes: https://whistleblowerlaw.com/military-whistleblower-protection-act-protect/. Now, that be stated, would your fellow personnel look at you differently if they found out it was you, most likely, you might find yourself being mildly "shunned" as it were in some areas of your service life, not a nice thought going forward, but you must let your own personal morals, ethics and values guide you in this, because in the end whatever may happen, you still have to look yourself in the eye and have respect for what you see.

The Military Whistleblower Protection Act and Who It Protects | National Whistleblower Law

The Military Whistleblower Protection Act covers all members of the Armed Forces who make "protected communications" about the violation of a law.

Response by SPC Sean C made Jul 12 at 2020 12:02 PM

2020-07-12T12:02:56-04:00

Well let’s see.. I had a SSG who got a PFC pregnant.. a DUI.. and shot some one in the club.. He never received any UCMJ.. but he did get an Audie Murphy Award.. I guess that makes you untouchable. He is one the biggest piles of toxic shit the Army has.. He is now a 1SG

Response by SPC Sean C made Jul 12 at 2020 12:05 PM

2020-07-12T12:05:02-04:00

My 1SG slept with at least 6 different females under his belt.. yes same freaking company.. he walked.. but should have been PCSed to the USDB.

Response by LT Stewart Herrick made Jul 12 at 2020 7:06 PM

2020-07-12T19:06:27-04:00

It would seem that the bulk of fraud involved "finances" in a foreign war zone. I believe it was certainly widespread in Nam. It involved conversions of US Dollars to Military Payment Certificates (MPC) and then local currency on the black market. It was explained to me a long time ago I don't remember the exact mechanics except payroll officers made a fortune in US $ .

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2020 6:15 PM

2020-07-15T18:15:15-04:00

Early in my career, I would have stayed quiet. Later, when I no longer had any Fs to give, I would and did report it. Sadly, I often paid for it later. But I could at least sleep with a clear conscience.

Response by SFC Eric Bates made Jul 15 at 2020 8:59 PM

2020-07-15T20:59:08-04:00

I know I'm sensitive to this, so my response is opinionated, but heres what it boils down to:

Integrity is doing the right and honest thing even when you dont believe others will know, and especially when others will.

You absolutley need to tell someone. Use the chain of command. Dont tell others so no one gets tipped off. I know investigations, so do the right thing. The more serious the issue, the tougher it will be, but you MUST do the right thing.

Response by MAJ Phil Bundy made Jul 16 at 2020 2:56 PM

2020-07-16T14:56:25-04:00

I would, without hesitation, report it to the IG.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 17 at 2020 1:35 AM

2020-07-17T01:35:48-04:00

I would go to the Inspector General and CID.
As leaders we have a responsibility to our troopers, their parents who trust us to do the right thing with their children, and the citizens of this nation that look to us for their defense and security to ensure that we lead out troopers, care for the children of those parents and provide for the common defense of the nation.
Do Right, If the Stars Fall

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Jul 17 at 2020 5:45 AM

2020-07-17T05:45:05-04:00

Whistleblowers are not protected as scripted under the law (10 U.S.C., Section 1034) and the Inspector General will compromise your Complaint to those of your supervisors whom your Complaint is about and they will single you out, reprise against you with their wrath and finally prepare you for the pastures. No one listens to whistleblowers. If, by chance, an Inquiry is mentioned, know that this Inquiry is a weapon to tame congressional probes and legal action. All I am saying is that if you tread down the route of blowing the whistle against your supervisors then, be prepared to hang in there for the long haul, till justice is served. Don't loose hope and you have no time to venture into depression, because the Courts follow a six-year rule that is not in the Constitution. I am not discouraging you or your efforts, I am only trying to help build up your resilience.

In 2013, the GAO released GAO 12-362. In this report it has been documented that Inspectors General have arbitrarily closed Whistleblower complaints without investigating them at all. During Congressional Hearings the Army IG responded that the OTIG was understaffed. I didn't know understaffing is an excuse to disadvantage complainants; this is news to me. All I am saying is be very careful and alert, if you become a whistleblower.

Response by GySgt Lawrence D. Pool made Jul 18 at 2020 5:54 PM

2020-07-18T17:54:20-04:00

I would not think it would be very wise to "expose yourself", so to speak and approach the person either before or after reporting them. That would be a "death sentence" on your future evaluation reports. Should you be career minded, it would affect the remainder of your entire career.

It would probably be best not to go to that supervisor's boss. Again, that might "let the cat out of the bag". That individual may either be aware of the situation or they may go straight to them and tell them what you reported as they make their inquiries.

It would be best to report it to the legal office of your command.

Response by MAJ Edgar S OteroMuniz made Aug 4 at 2020 12:32 AM

2020-08-04T00:32:10-04:00

Turn him in immediately. And make sure your integrity is protected.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2020 7:30 PM

2020-08-09T19:30:37-04:00

It happened. Not my supervisor or leader but a fellow
Platoon Sergeant. He was caught loan sparking to young soldiers, E4 and below plus stealing blank checks out of troops rooms a writing the check out for large purchase. He was caught by a couple of us other Plt. Sgt. We testified on his court martial. Had to end the mans 18 year career.

Response by Capt Rich Buckley made Aug 10 at 2020 10:38 AM

2020-08-10T10:38:54-04:00

Your simple question holds a complexity of possible answers. Simple yes and no, may miss the mark; right or wrong my also be preconditioned by a life of learning where you find yourself as fitting in, only to realize you may not like your role. Are you sacrificing yourself only in a moral-ethical cause, or are you sacrificing the entire war and altering the direction of humanity?

In this conscious world, our moral compass has been set by now. We believe in what we do. We see ourselves as ethical, moral beings; we see our comrades as serving the same cause as our brothers in arms. We will not leave them behind. The mission comes first. We call it duty. We are devoted to duty, honor, country (Constitution) and find those qualities are resident in our leader, though sometimes through a foggy lens.

When in doubt, win the war.

It’s up to you to decide for yourself, which war must be won. You will most likely be sacrificing yourself either way. Your first instinct is always noble. I choose to sacrifice myself. This is your higher self translated by ego and personality talking.

Your second instinct is usually the necessary call: Win the war, fight on.

The answer is simple only when you know all the facts and lives are not in jeopardy.

Pray you are not in battle with the deep state as POTUS seems to be right now. Layer upon layer of complexities of the deep state emerge as the multi-headed dragon biting at him in their team effort, each dragon’s head biting at POTUS in service-to-self caring nothing about anyone but itself. As you read this missive the deep state has finally realized, the only way to get rid of POTUS is to kill him. It is now a fight to the finish.

USING THE LOCKDOWN

Lockdown by Robert David Steele:

Arresting child trafficking rings, the deep state Achilles Heel.

“It’s good to keep people out of the way whilst they arrest these incredibly dangerous and powerful people because they will not go down without a fight.”

When in doubt, win the war.

If you see some hand of the divine at play, observe with awe.

Response by Capt Rich Buckley made Aug 10 at 2020 10:57 AM

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Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Aug 10 at 2020 7:14 PM

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There is no doubt in my mind that I would turn in any Supervisor who was doing this. It is the right thing to do and when I was selected as a Chief I realized exactly what was expected of me at ALL time and circumstances dictated. Now don't get me wrong, like almost everyone with any morals in his/her upbringing I knew the differences between right and wrong but this was a time it was very clearly laid out! As I assumed duties as the Command Master Chief, not only was I required to make sure the troops were taken card or but I was also required to make sure the CO was doing his job as well.

Response by 1SG Curtis Toler made Aug 11 at 2020 12:35 PM

2020-08-11T12:35:18-04:00

Verify, confront and report!

Response by MSgt Janice Trojan made Aug 13 at 2020 12:02 AM

2020-08-13T00:02:15-04:00

My E-8 wanted me to better an audiogram. The Col was a General selectee. If he failed he would have not made general. I just said I was going to write down the correct repsonse. The E-8 had me step aside and he completed the exam. He was a great NCO. I was unclear on politics at the time. But I would do the same today. Just the way, I was raised.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Aug 14 at 2020 10:25 PM

2020-08-14T22:25:09-04:00

Mike the written exam for Customs Inspector and for Immigration Inspector was fairly easy for me; I would say that about 75% of the questions were about honesty and integrity. You know - if you saw an inspector take cash out of a traveler’s suitcase And pocket it what would you do? One possible answer was to ask them for a cut of it; but the right answer was to report it. Does that make one a rat? In my opinion it would not.

In the military and in positions of trust - as in CBP, or other Law Enforcement positions our “employers” those “We the people” deserve that we maintain the highs of honesty and integrity; if someone doesn’t follow those rules I do not want to work beside them!

Response by SGT Rafael Morales made Aug 17 at 2020 11:50 AM

2020-08-17T11:50:00-04:00

I have not, but I would kick it up the Chain of Command.

Response by SGT Rafael Morales made Aug 17 at 2020 11:53 AM

2020-08-17T11:53:20-04:00

I never found that situation while in the military. I found it in my civilian job after the military in a government agency. I made them do the right thing but eventually they ran me off my job. I sleep soundly and at the age of 74 I am glad I did it. Do the right thing you will not regret it in my old age.

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Aug 17 at 2020 5:09 PM

2020-08-17T17:09:31-04:00

Revisiting the issue; one of my signature lines on a forum I belong to is: "Integrity is doing what you say you are going to do..." Another easy definition of Integrity is: "Do the right thing!"

Part of the reason this country is in the mess it is because people have sold their integrity out.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Aug 22 at 2020 7:48 PM

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I’ve been out A long time but I think the rules are still the same if someone’s a crook there’s a procedure for reporting them. Now there’s different levels of crime. I don’t think I can train somebody in for stealing Ink pins. It’s a real crime and I have seen them you should go to the office of Special special investigation. Professional transponders that they’re professional and very discreet. We could get to the point where they have to reveal your name and you might need to testify against somebody but that’s part of the job.

Response by PO1 Robbie Bell made Aug 27 at 2020 3:19 PM

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In 1998, I was a reservist Seabee. I had 28 day Individual Duty orders with a rental car authorization to 29 Palms for a joint exercise. The day after my arrival a reserve Senior Chief Petty Officer who will remain unnamed showed up as the OIC. He also had IDT orders with rental car authorization and brought along 4 other reservists from his command.
After a ridiculous power struggle with the host command, a hospital unit, the Senior Chief angrily sabotaged the power generator that was supplying the electricity to run the hospital tents. Including their Air Conditioning. The active duty Electrician got it fixed after several hours of work and the Senior Chief decided he was going to leave 4 days earlier than stated on his orders. He falsely endorsed his and all the subordinate's orders with the date they were supposed to depart and attempted to take my rental car from me so they could ride back to the San Diego airport more comfortably (I had an SUV, he had a sedan). I refused to give up my car despite his threats to write me up for disobeying a direct order and they left in the dark of night. The next morning, the commander of the hospital unit came to the Bee Hive, looking for the Senior Chief. I told him exactly where he was and what he forced his subordinates to do.
About a week after my return home, Naval Investigative Service called me, inquiring about the incident and I told them what I knew. I had contact with some of his subordinates the next year and was told he was given a BCD and reduced in rank to E-6. Good riddance to bad rubbish. I still can't figure out how a guy like that makes E-8!!

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2020 2:23 PM

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I was a paralegal while in the Air National Guard and still am a paralegal for the DOJ-US Attorney's Office for SDOH and can say - it is your duty to report the fraud. That being said - you should make sure that you are safe when you report it - if you are in the AOR and reporting it will put your life in more harm than it already is - wait until you are home or find a way to report it outside of your chain of command. DOD fraud is a multi-million dollar theft of government money. It requires all of us to step up and do the right thing.

Response by SPC Charlie Nava made Sep 10 at 2020 12:42 AM

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Inspector General

Response by MSgt Esteban Guitierrez made Sep 10 at 2020 8:54 PM

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The MSgt in charge of the legal office at Minot AFB was sending pornography over government email to amuse her girlfriends. I passed this on to the SJA. He compelled the rest of the office to fill out climate surveys for about four months, which resulted in our spending a day at MEO, learning the colors of our personalities and planning one another's dream vacations. And after that fiasco, she went right back to sending porn over government email. That's when official records started being altered and disappearing.

Response by LTC Philip Marlowe made Sep 12 at 2020 8:24 PM

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When I was a Captain (03) Provost Marshal in a US MILCOM in Germany, 1989, I had an issue with my MILCOM Commander (06). I personally observed he was conducting himself right on the line between inappropriate and illegal. Some of my peers and a young CID agent (W2) had recently come into my office and told me what they were seeing as well. As his 'Chief of Military Police', I took it upon myself to be pretty candid with him. I informed him that some of the 'things' he was doing was inappropriate and borderline illegal and that members of the community (Officers & NCOs) were 'taking notice' and that rumors were running amok. I couldn't state what he was doing was illegal because it fell under what I now call "a Tom Cruise" moment - that being 'it doesn't matter what I know, it only matters what I can prove" and after having spoken with my SJA colleague, I knew I didn't have any 'legal basis'. Nonetheless, out of loyalty to my him as my Commander, and prior to me knowing any official investigations were being conducted, I asked him to consider what he was doing and to stop. Unfortunately, he didn't and, working with the WO2 CID agent, we initiated and conducted a formal investigation resulting in the COL being charged with misuse of a government vehicle and co-habitation with an individual not his spouse. He retired - quickly. I stand by what I did simply because as the Provost Marshal, I thought it my job to 'advise the Commander' when I saw him conducting himself in a way which appeared inappropriate and for which I had no evidence. However, when he failed to reconsider my advice and change his conduct, it became my responsibility, and in cooperation with CID, initiated an investigation. It certainly was NOT an easy decision to make, but I think to this day, my actions were correct.

Response by PO3 Alphonso Everett made Sep 13 at 2020 2:49 AM

2020-09-13T02:49:12-04:00

I would. Simply put, a company shouldn't have to pay for another's malfeasance. Morally the supervisor could have a good explanation; however, ethically you have one, a duty to report. In the Navy, morally, I may not have agree with some of the Chief's I served under; however, ethically (Blue Jackets Manual) I obeyed. I also did this out of the respect of the ranking and experience as well.

Just my thoughts

Response by CPT Dennis Stevenson made Sep 13 at 2020 5:56 PM

2020-09-13T17:56:03-04:00

Unless you're a military law expert, I'd talk with JAG first. That's their job.

Response by CPT Dennis Stevenson made Sep 13 at 2020 5:57 PM

2020-09-13T17:57:05-04:00

Unless you're a military law expert, I'd go to the JAG office. That's their job.

Response by SGT Carl Forsman made Sep 13 at 2020 10:43 PM

2020-09-13T22:43:10-04:00

The fraud I saw in the military was child's play, compared to the "real world" construction, union, trades organizations and authorities I have had to do business with. I will say the military woke me up though. Thing is I am shitty when it comes to playing the politics game, so I had to get out and do my own thing till I am at the top of the food chain in my field. Doesn't matter which fish bowl your swimming in though, there were fish in it before you got there, they got their game, you either play or start your own. Every where I was in the military there was a game, a racket or a fraud of some kind. I guess by now I would be the big fish in the pond or retired, but not likely to be in jail for fraud. I guess this is why I am still slogging it out in the trades.

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Sep 14 at 2020 1:20 PM

2020-09-14T13:20:53-04:00

I have seen that happened many times. During OIF 2003-2004, an engineer brigade ordered a fleet of SUV from Kuwait for the Colonel and his staff with FOUO money, while their Soldiers riding a skeletal HMMWV and living in their vehicles. Words from the grapevine were $80,000 per SUV, and there are Col, XO, S1, S2, S3, S6, and CSM. Luckily CSM refused to have one. If I remember correctly, he wrote skeletal HMMWV just like every soldier does. He also got RPG up his tailpipe (the back of his HMMWV, not his a**). Luckily, it didn't explode. All he said was, "Tell the EOD to get that shit off my HMMWV." Not all CSM are created equal. This was when the time where people started to ask why we do not have an armored HMMWV. Some other unit mechanics started welding salvaged steel plates on as a door for small arms protection.

Loyalty is something we must have as a Soldier. However, most people must realize that the first and foremost loyalty we should have is to Uncle Sam, your peers, your supervisors, and your subordinates are secondary. After all, he is the one who cut your paycheck and gives you compensation and benefit. If you are self-serving, then think of it this way, "The more you save for Uncle Sam, the more he can give you for your conveniences." That's my belief anyway.

If you are going to be a whistleblower, try to keep it in the house first (within the unit). Then escalate if not, remember you are going to pay for your good deed. Try to keep it as the least expensive as possible. My last act as loyalty to the Army and the Soldiers was shutting down something that wastes the money and has been for over five years. I kept it within the unit, of course, but I burnt a lot of bridges on that. A friend of mind and a boss told me that he was told not to waste all the chips on me, save them for other Soldiers too. This may sound heroic, but my reply was, "Don't worry. I'll be fine." Like I have said, the money I saved from shutting down the project can be used by the units deployed in the Middle East. That's what I was hoping anyway. In the end, I was medically retired and never made past E6, but I have a small house-- not a piece of rag for a blanket and a shopping cart for a house and transportation.

Bottom line is, "Do what you can afford to lose." As long as you can live with your conscience and consequences. In the end, what you will decide to do is based on who you actually are and how well you are with "the game of throne."

Response by CPL Mark Kirkpatrick made Sep 15 at 2020 10:03 PM

2020-09-15T22:03:01-04:00

I had a section chief who was a racist, dirty scumbag who was very abusive towards anyone who was not ghetto. I warned him about his abuse and he threatened to fuck me up. (I was about twice his size) I had friends who had friends and one day one of my friends stood off to the side watching our 1630 formation and watched how he treated people after the 1SG dismissed the Battery. Pretty soon he got a big shit sandwich. He got kicked out of our unit and I looked him right in the eye and said "Gee, I wonder how that happened". I am pretty sure he put 2 and 2 together then and there.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2020 11:26 PM

2020-09-15T23:26:56-04:00

Wrong is wrong....have the personal courage to report it!!!

Response by SGT(P) Le'a K Billingsley made Sep 16 at 2020 3:27 PM

2020-09-16T15:27:38-04:00

In 2020 era, I would never directly confront. I would take it up with the chain of command. I've only had that situation once on a military base in VA. Several times things were discarded improperly, went up the chain of command and was ignored. Then jumped the chain and got CID involved.

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Sep 16 at 2020 5:25 PM

2020-09-16T17:25:43-04:00

As with all whistle blowers, here is my advice. don't go to anyone such as a supervisor first. Seek outside assistance, such as a police detective or better yet a private detective. From an evidence perspective, let that detective tell you if there really is a crime going on and what evidence there is or might be obtained. Only then, start making the necessary reports.

The main reason nobody does anything when reported to supervisors and leadership is that they have no idea how to verify and validate your observations. When you don't know how to do something you ignore it or are chastised because your bringing a headache to them because they don't know what to do. Moreover, they don't like taking the risk of pursuing the whistle-blowers claim when they themselves don't understand what is really going on.

In summary, the whistle-blower should first seek outside assistance so they can be sure there is really a problem and that there are ways to obtain necessary evidence before going forward.

Response by LTC Charles Lauderdale made Sep 16 at 2020 7:41 PM

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Unless there has been a change to the UCMJ and/or the oath taken by all uniform personnel in the last 20 years, the report of activities/actions suspected of being violations of applicable laws and regulations is the responsibility/duty of all personnel.

Response by PO2 Patrick Tays made Sep 16 at 2020 9:36 PM

2020-09-16T21:36:26-04:00

Once (more than) upon a time:
I have some Navy stories, but they will wait for another time.

I started work at NASA (Marshall Space flight Center, Al.) in 1987. I managed hundreds of Boeing subcontracts relating to the Space Station. I wrote complaints about many of the contracts- my boss told me to stop as no one wanted to read them. Some of the Boeing managers wanted my boss to replace me- he couldn’t find anyone else to take the job. I sent a few complaints to the IG (Inspector General) and got “dressed down” by my boss and his ultimate contracts supervisor. IG complaints were “supposed” to be protected disclosures- meaning anonymity.

About 1992, my boss and I had a disagreement about my performance evaluation. I blew up as he tried to calm me down with” you don’t understand the system” baloney. From here I became management’s nightmare- a tye-died whistle-blower. I didn’t deal with the IG for the first two years- I went directly to OSC (Office of Special Counsel) and FLRA (Federal Labor Relations authority) I got laid off, I was downgraded, threatened and more. My home phone gave me trouble so I complained to the phone company- the technician pulled a “tap” from under my house and disconnected an auxiliary phone line. Forget cable- I unsubscribed and set my TV on the curb. I used the local library instead. One of the IG ‘drones’ tried to run me down in the NASA parking lot. I reported it to NASA police that did nothing. I heard them laughing when I left. I reported it to Army Provost- they held the lease on NASA facilities. I also reported it to the Alabama State Police That IG was transferred.

I could go on, I have literally hundreds of tales during my whistle-blowing. The bottom line is this: if you accept a little theft or abuse, then, you are as rotten as any of them.

Advice for whistle-blowers: find someone two levels above the culprit. 30 days after the complaint follow up to the “ultimate boss.” Watch the movie, Silkwood.

These two links are MY “bust their chops” Supreme Court case. It was decided 4 years after I was fired :)
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/72202/flra-v-nasa/?
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/118306/nasa-v-flra/

FLRA v. NASA – CourtListener.com

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Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Sep 17 at 2020 8:50 AM

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Once an individual subject to the UCMJ violates the Code, they have made themselves a domestic enemy which any member of the DOD has sworn to protect our nation against. If you accept my interpretation, you must take action. My path regarding the situation depends on the nature of the perceived violation. If the violation is procedural and lacking any motivation for personal gain or harm toward another, if the senior has gained my respect otherwise, I would discuss it with my senior and offer him/her the opportunity to discuss the reasoning behind their actions and take corrective action or reveal the situation to their senior. If the perceived violation resulted in personal gain to the individual or subjected either the command or others to potential harm, I would go to the individual's senior. The important thing to remember is that many violations may exist in my mind based upon information available to me. The alleged violator deserves both a full investigation and the opportunity to defend himself, even if my evidence makes me feel it is an open and shut case.

My point is, my interpretation of the alleged circumstance leads me to believe my senior has violated the code or our oath and I have a duty to ensure appropriate actions are taken to determine the validity of my suspicions. Determining the validity of my suspicions and any action necessary to punish the violation is not my right. I must ensure that action is taken to determine my senior's actions which caused me concern are investigated by someone who can cause the situation to be fully investigated and then remediated. I have the duty to reveal the alleged irregularity up the chain until my mind is satisfied and justice has been rendered, either in the violators favor or not, but many of our problems today reflect the unwillingness of reporters to accept they can be wrong.

Response by CPT Richard Arlington Briggs Jr made Sep 17 at 2020 12:59 PM

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Whistle blower Actions performed. Crimes and U.C.M.J. violations covered up and denied from then Detachment Commander through ALL levels of Chain-of-Command, INCLUDING the CINC/POTUS (excluding POTUS 45) and Follow-Up attempts seeking Redress and Restitution from 1988 to 2016. Presently (2020), CINC/POTUS 45 has been informed. Stage play written. Crimes, primary and related, are still to hot for some folks as GUILTY verdicts would impact General and Senior Field Officers and Non-Commissioned Officers who ALL failed, categorically, to uphold their respective Oaths AND the stated US Army Values (Loyalty. Duty. Respect. Selfless Service. Honor. Integrity. Personal Courage. L.D.R.S.H.I.P.) and to care for Soldiers under their respective watches. Aye, Capt. Rick in Central Texas.

Response by SFC Pat Mattson made Sep 27 at 2020 9:51 PM

2020-09-27T21:51:17-04:00

As a recruiter, I had a station commander that wasn’t playing by the rules (we called them crooks back then) and I caught him. Being that I was an MP, I took the evidence and gave it to MEPS. I was persona non grata for the rest of my time as a recruiter. I am still that way today, I have ethics and will do what is right no matter what the end result is.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Sep 27 at 2020 10:18 PM

2020-09-27T22:18:20-04:00

I would not put up with that at all. I doubt any of my supervisors would be some secret mob boss but you never know. I would report it to someone outside of my organization.

Response by MSG Harvey Kane made Oct 5 at 2020 6:08 PM

2020-10-05T18:08:52-04:00

Immediately reported through the chain of command

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Oct 9 at 2020 9:24 AM

2020-10-09T09:24:59-04:00

I worked for a married E-8 who was having an affair with an E-5's wife. He tried to hook me up with one of her friends, and used me to get away from his wife to spend time with his cheater. While I didn't turn him in, I forced a transfer to not have to work with him anymore. Ended up getting a bad evaluation out of it. I guess to me, if I had to do it over again, I would have just minded my own business. Every situation is different, but that was my experience from a long time ago.

Response by LCpl Bigdoc Dockery made Oct 13 at 2020 12:44 PM

2020-10-13T12:44:49-04:00

Turn him/her in. The question to me is who would you trust to tell....

Response by CWO4 Brook Kelsey made Oct 21 at 2020 3:06 AM

2020-10-21T03:06:42-04:00

Congratulations! It happens all the time. First find out what your chain of command policy is on filling a whistleblower Reprisals complaint? It’s very important to follow the proper process of filling a completely filled out form. Look up DoD office of the inspector general hotline.

Response by SGT Thomas Labine made Oct 29 at 2020 10:33 PM

2020-10-29T22:33:57-04:00

Just saying something now during the last 5 days of the election? Shame on you!!!!

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Nov 1 at 2020 10:40 PM

2020-11-01T22:40:26-05:00

Rat that bitch out... go higher and JAG will for sure take that ass to court

Response by CPT Derry Gallagher made Nov 1 at 2020 10:44 PM

2020-11-01T22:44:57-05:00

I believe going the I G route would be a good first step, no luck there then CID.

Response by LTC Wayne Dandridge made Nov 2 at 2020 9:31 AM

2020-11-02T09:31:28-05:00

As in the civilian world, the reporting of crimes must be made to the police, in this case the Military Police. It is not only unwise but dangerous to confront any criminal, especially an immediate supervisor. All crimes should be reported to law enforcement! The very foundation of being a Soldier, Marine, Sailor, Airman, or Coastguardsman is honesty. If our military ever is corrupted, our entire nation state will be destroyed. Best wishes, Larry Dandridge, Ex-AL and MO Police Officer and Federal Law Enforcement Training Center Consultant (and ex-enlisted Infantry, ex-Warrant Snake Driver, and retired LTC)

Response by SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee made Nov 2 at 2020 11:52 AM

2020-11-02T11:52:36-05:00

Analyze the situation, no one is all bad nor good either. If he can be reason with, confronting him would be the first. If not, how his boss is like. If the relationship with your frauding boss is too good, how I can let things be known without me in the spotlight. Trying to solve it in-house first. Inferential action is better than direct action so, who should be aware of the matter that can blow the whistle without me being involved. If all else fails, be a man do return the Uncle Sam a favor and blow that whistle; after all, he writes my paycheck not my boss. Seven steps of problem-solving come in handy in this case.

After all, I've been there done that, never get passed E6. I have no problem doing it again. Loyalty to my chain of command is obligated by title/position. Loyalty to the Army and Uncle Sam is by the love and my own integrity. Furthermore, fraud by my boss will affect my Soldiers' well-being. They are the many and my boss is the few.

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Nov 2 at 2020 3:32 PM

2020-11-02T15:32:29-05:00

Being a Master at Arms in the Navy, It would be my duty to report it The chain of command would have to decide on any legal procedure from there.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2020 4:09 PM

2020-11-02T16:09:10-05:00

I would do a serious gut check on myself and really really look hard at the other side of the story. It’s a hard decision, if it’s illegal you must report it or your complicit and not living up to the Army values, if it grey area or not exactly as you anticipated, can seriously come back to harm you (don’t believe any whistle blower protection BS). I would run it by Legal and ask, I would use any channel that would not get back to them for a SME in that area. I would also submit any allegation in memorandum format stating you are making the complaint using whistle blower protection. This is what the fraud, waste, and abuse hotline is for

Response by SPC Daniel Dresen made Nov 2 at 2020 6:08 PM

2020-11-02T18:08:54-05:00

My state surgeons office, the soldier's unit, and my boss in the s1 tried strong arming me to process an unlawful separation. The guy was medically flagged after being involved in an IED blast and seeing fellow soldiers killed. He was under psychiatric care at the time his unit said he was AWOL for missing annual training. Sorry chief, he's not AWOL and I'm not separating him. Well that put a target on my back as my unit leadership and his unit leadership were friendly. I was screwed out of my medical board and unlawfully separated. I can't say much more as some people are still being investigated for defrauding soldiers of medical due process. At least the VA squared me away. 100% permanent and total. The initial investigations involving line of duty determinations being tossed aired on NBC investigates if you want to check it out. Just Google my name and line of duty NBC.

Response by SFC Chuck Martinez made Nov 2 at 2020 7:49 PM

2020-11-02T19:49:30-05:00

As a former retired military and law enforcement officer, honestly, I would confront them first and if in fact they are guilty of fraudulent activities, I would turn them in. In fact, it is a crime if it was/were being committed and you looked the other way and not report it, you can also be prosecuted. You automatically become a witness of a criminal act. In the military, you report it to a higher chain of command with proof of, in the civilian world to the top supervisor also with proof of!! This is what is called a double edge sword, simply because others can also be involved and that can become very dangerous!

Response by LCDR Jerry Maurer made Nov 5 at 2020 6:51 PM

2020-11-05T18:51:17-05:00

Yeah, did that several times at different commands. That's a big reason why I retired at 20 as an 0-4. But I was so ready to go. Navy slogan is courage, honor, commitment. But honor, not so much.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Nov 6 at 2020 7:39 PM

2020-11-06T19:39:34-05:00

turn him in

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Nov 13 at 2020 9:39 AM

2020-11-13T09:39:10-05:00

Being a Master at Arms in hte Navy it would be my duty to report it to my chain of command. The COC would then decided which legal action would be taken.

Response by SGT Roland Sharpe made Jan 8 at 2021 5:35 PM

2021-01-08T17:35:47-05:00

HA, yeah but what do you do when its the entire chain of command?

Response by PO2 Samuel Andrews made Jan 8 at 2021 6:34 PM

2021-01-08T18:34:14-05:00

First and foremost its imperative to ensure you have concrete evidence to substantiate your claim and then do some cost analysis to determine the consequences. Sometimes we rush to judgement, in spite of what we think about people their character is who they really are. The character of a person is who they are when they THINK no one is watching

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2021 3:26 PM

2021-01-10T15:26:57-05:00

I’ve seen it a couple times in my career. From stealing, playing with numbers, sexual harassment, etc. I never went looking for it. Stayed away from those who gave me that feeling. But I always said something or called them out when it became evident. Not always/usually in the best way.
If I knew then what I know now as an IG.

Response by 1st Lt Rick Gauthier made Jan 10 at 2021 4:05 PM

2021-01-10T16:05:15-05:00

This can be a double edged sword. I do not condone illegality or fraud by any extent. Sometimes there is a lack of understanding and it can be an interpretation as illegal. If you accuse someone of fraud or breaking the law, make sure you are correct because if you are mistaken will brand you for life. Get the whole facts before proceeding. Use peers as sounding boards and others out of your chain of command as mentors. If it is indeed illegal or fraud you have no choice other than to do something about it.

As an Aviator and Airline Captain I come across a lot of individuals who do not understand the intricacies of some of the rules. Military rules for flying and civilian are similar but not exact. Clarifying the differences is often one of my most challenging parts of being a line captain instructor. It is not about fraud but can be construed as doing something illegal. Often showing a subordinate a number of supporting documents can quell the concerns.

Response by PFC Bobby Smith made Jan 11 at 2021 1:55 AM

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depends, he or ghe could make it very hard for you

Response by SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson) made Jan 12 at 2021 9:05 PM

2021-01-12T21:05:28-05:00

I would do what I did in the military - I sacrificed my career to expose three TAGs for misappropriation of title 20 mobilization funds for personal and political projects not slated for at least a decade during IOF I and II. I knew I would NEVER see rank after that.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Jan 19 at 2021 8:48 PM

2021-01-19T20:48:24-05:00

You could try speaking to them first. I always learned that in the army that you should try handling things at the lowest level. Use your chain of command but make sure that you are not jumping to conclusions or making assumptions. If I knew, without a doubt, that something illegal was occurring, I would report it because if you knew and they are busted and during the investigation they found out you knew, then you could get in trouble for not having reported it. I would get more professional advice from someone like JAG or another NCO (a trustworthy one). Just be careful for yourself, the person you suspect is doing something shady, and for your unit.

Response by Sgt Cullen Smith made Jan 25 at 2021 3:12 AM

2021-01-25T03:12:06-05:00

I faced corruption four times during an 8 year period in the MSANG and the Regular USAF.

1. Mississippi Air National Guard 1980 through mid 1982: I joined in April of 1980. Everything went well in Basic Training and later Tech School. My very first weekend drill after Tech School I got to the Civil Engineering Squadron, walked in and found a white Tech Sargent handing out The Klansmen Newspaper to all the white dudes. He tried to hand me one several times and I refused. Last time he offered, I told him to shove it up his ass. Every-time I walked in that place all the white guys would huddle in one corner and all the black guys in another. I would go huddle with the black guys because the white boys were making me miserable. After two months of this I was called into the Commanders office and was told to stand at attention in front of a mirror. He said, what do you see BOY? I told him, I see myself sir. He told me saw a whipped dog and a White N***** and that I had two choices, a dishonorable discharge or join the Regular Air Force. I joined the Regulars in mid 1982.

2. Was stationed in Erzurum, Turkey in 1983 thru 1984 in support of a US ARMY Division. There were only 9 Air Force people stationed there. Near the end of my duty there, the Higher-ups decided to pull all Air Force personnel out. I was to inventory all XB3 items but we were to leave those items behind. I was a Senior Airman at the time and only a NCO could inventory and sign off on the Chemical Warfare gear, which I did not know at that time. The Staff Sargent in charge of doing that got his orders to leave and the only other Sargent on site refused to do it. The Staff Sargent calls me into his office and told me that I needed to inventory and sign off on the Chemical Warfare gear, but he left out the part that only an NCO could do it. I told him sure. I would do it, so I inventory all the gear and it was there but he told me I could only have the key the day before he left. He left about two weeks later and during that time packed his hold baggage to be shipped to his next assignment. I thought nothing of it until about three days later when a team came up to check our inventories. Two complete sets of Chemical Warfare gear was missing and they "got on my ass" about it but left without saying another word about it. I got my orders to leave and flew down to Incirlik AFB where I was met getting off the plane by two Officers. They had me go with them to the AFOSI and questioned me about the Chemical Warfare gear. They made me stay in country until they could follow up on my story. Sure enough, they found the gear in the Staff Sargent's hold baggage, and I was released for my next assignment.

3. In 1984 thru 1985 I was stationed at England AFB in Louisiana. The Tech Sargent in charge was ordering large amounts of items and they would disappear from our shop. Someone else reported it and he was busted. He had been shipping items his whole time in service to a warehouse in Texas. This same guy got drunk one night while off duty and tried to get my wife and I in a threesome. A real slimball.

4. In 1988 while I was stationed in Australia, my brother had a terrible car accident and spent over 90 days in ICU, my dad was dying from Cancer, and my grandmother was dying from diabetes. I requested a hardship move to either Columbus or Keesler AFB in Mississippi and was turned down. I wrote all my Congressmen and Senators and even the White House but to no avail. At the time our site was so important to the military that the Joint Chiefs of Staff would visit yearly. I became depressed and desperate to get home so I threatened to shut the power plant down. I was immediately removed and sent to Adelaide, South Australia for a mental evaluation by a civilian doctor and from there I was sent to Hawaii for a mental evaluation by a Army Psychiatrist. I told both doctors the same thing, that I would not have shut the plant down but only said it because I was depressed and desperate. Upon my return to Woomera I was told I had to go see the Base Commander. Things got shady in his office as he explained to me that he would only give me an honorable administrative discharge if I would sign a waver giving up my rights to use the VA, which I did. I only found out years later that was illegal and that in fact I could use the VA.

Response by SP5 Matthew J. Palazola made Feb 14 at 2021 2:42 PM

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I recall an incident in 1969 RVN when C-Day came, un- announced as was the practice when MPC' were being changed. All troops were restricted to base. A first SGT handed a Vietnamese soldier a handful of Vietnamese Piasters to bring to the village. Since MPC held by the black markets would be worthless, he would exchange the Piasters' for the out going MPC' at a high rate, and turn them in and pocket the profits. I'm sure this was not an isolate incident. No, I didn't report the incident, as at the time, I didn't quite understand the magnitude of the incident.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2021 11:26 PM

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I refused and was sent to the old man for insubordination and when I gave the evidence to the skipper I was labeled a piece of shit via a meaningless Letter of Instruction. I filed an IG complaint and after two years of miserable hell I was sent LIMDU because I’m “crazy” coincidentally on the same day I was accepted to cross rate, a dream of mine since I joined. But it could all just be “I just don’t get it.”

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2021 11:14 AM

2021-02-16T11:14:34-05:00

Years ago when I was a detachment commander, our organization kept getting new computers and other expensive IT stuff we couldn't use. In two years, I literally was issued at least 10 new computers and laptops! I once got 3 new computers in a 2 week period and had to return the "old" ones. I knew there was fraud, waste, and abuse; so I complained to the program manager in D.C. (a retired O-6 I trusted and respected) and let him know all the issues. A few months later, I couldn't reach him. Turns out he was the one responsible for the fraud and the FBI had rolled him up and a few others. They ran a multi-million dollar kick-back scam. I had to make an inventory of all our stuff and submit a statement. I learned that if you suspect fraud, waste, and abuse; use the online system in place to report it. You never know who is involved.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Feb 16 at 2021 12:42 PM

2021-02-16T12:42:44-05:00

For me, it would be and always was simple. I'd contact CID and file a formal report.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Feb 16 at 2021 2:14 PM

2021-02-16T14:14:10-05:00

Excellent question. One of the best I've seen in a long time on RP. Didn't catch it the first time around... so thanks for digging it up. This topic is well suited for a leadership discussion on ethics and how it impacts in the workplace. I see questions like this as one of the primary purposes for which RP was created. It's a great facilitator for an open discussion on ethics in a "What would you do?" scenario. You could practically make a documentary out of this topic!

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Feb 16 at 2021 2:27 PM

2021-02-16T14:27:34-05:00

It's too bad Congress doesn't have this type of training for its members.

Response by SFC Chuck Martinez made Feb 16 at 2021 4:24 PM

2021-02-16T16:24:47-05:00

I would report it right away, knowing that a crime was/is being committed and not report it, you can be charged. As a former Law enforcement officer for 20 years, I have processed some cases like this. Coming forward is the best option, hiding it, you become an accessory to the crime, and can be charged accordingly!

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Feb 16 at 2021 5:14 PM

2021-02-16T17:14:58-05:00

There’s two separate questions here: crime and fraud, waste, and abuse. In either question you must have as much hard evidence as possible before you make a charge.

A crime such as theft of Government property should be reported to law enforcement. Make sure they understand you want to be a confidential source for fear of reprisals.

Fraud, waste, and abuse are normally reported to the IG. Again make so sure you tell the IG that you want to be anonymous due to fear of reprisals.

Response by MGySgt Juan Mendez made Feb 17 at 2021 12:57 PM

2021-02-17T12:57:01-05:00

"what would you do"? Does that question really need to be asked?

Response by TSgt Matthew Covey made Feb 19 at 2021 12:59 PM

2021-02-19T12:59:39-05:00

I tried reporting wrongdoing in a unit I was in and got retaliated against to the fullest. I was up for promotion and passed up. They withheld per diem money from me when I was TDY and I fought their decision and they lied to the investigator and I was not paid. The whole situation made me sick due to the stress put on me. I felt I was walking on egg shells until I was transferred out and was able to breath again. Prior to retiring, I filed an IG complaint on the leadership of the unit. Idoubt anything was done about their fraudulent activities.

Response by SGM Robert Murray made Feb 21 at 2021 10:29 PM

2021-02-21T22:29:46-05:00

No brainer. Report him. Did it in the military. Did it in civilian life as well. Did it far too many times sadly enough, although once is too many. Consequences were mostly successful outcomes. One was a draw. I felt good, because I, in every occasion, discussed my perception first before I went forward. I didn't blindside them, so they saw it coming. It is what it is. They could have handled it differently. Some stood their ground; others chose not to do so. Actions have consequences.

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Feb 22 at 2021 5:30 AM

2021-02-22T05:30:03-05:00

There is a 1 800 number, can't remember what it is, but I sure you can find it somewhere on post.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2021 10:21 AM

2021-03-07T10:21:19-05:00

Give them a heads up to make sure they understood their errant ways. If no change to their behavior and repair what they have done, document, and call the IG.

Response by SSG Greg Miech made Mar 16 at 2021 5:07 PM

2021-03-16T17:07:14-04:00

Working KBR in Iraq our Camp Supervisor was meet at the airport in the states by US Marshals for theft and fraud with the funds on contracts. In the beginning there it was all you can get with some spending their own money at the Haji shop for tools and materials. Our Travel Office had two women who were buying the tickets for all but were putting the charges to their airline miles card, over a couple million each. They were fired. A West Point Captain in charge of the fuel point was caught selling fuel to Iraqis and Court Martialed. One KBR employee used his money he got monthly to pay his employees in a company there working for KBR. KBR found out about this and told him he could not do this and he was fired. He presented them with a $1 million dollar invoice. Military and KBR wasted a lot of money.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Mar 16 at 2021 6:43 PM

2021-03-16T18:43:04-04:00

I would offer three words of advice.
Document.
Document.
Document.

Response by SGT JoyceAnn Richmond made Apr 18 at 2021 7:22 PM

2021-04-18T19:22:23-04:00

A warrant officer and I went from Fort Ord to Presidio San Francisco in a Deuce one day to pick up some supplies for the Supply School. On the way back, he had me stop at a crossroads bar. I had to stay with the truck. It was a hot day and after about two-and-a-half hours or so, I was thirsty and would kind of liked to get back to the fort. I discovered he was on his fourth or fifth drink! He didn't see me at first; I went to the water fountain and drank my fill of water, then visited the ladies' room. I came back out and shouted "Mr. Jones, shouldn't we be getting back?" He was furious! Locked my heels out by the truck. I was so angry myself by that time that it came out in tears.

The next day, I found that he had put me on report for the incident. Capt. A called me into his office and asked me what happened. I told him the unvarnished truth. Guess who got shipped out the following day? (Not me...)

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2021 12:46 PM

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Does the illegal action defraud the taxpayer?
Is the illegal action strictly for personal gain?
does the illegal action put joe's health and welfare at risk?
Yes to any of the above and I would report

I need to tread lightly here; but if the action was taken to protect the health and welfare of joe....

Response by SSG David Fetty made Apr 19 at 2021 5:43 PM

2021-04-19T17:43:32-04:00

What will your honor allow you to do?

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2021 4:31 PM

2021-04-20T16:31:08-04:00

It would depend on your ability to recognize their LIFO and your estimate of ability to speak their language. Company grade Officers don't just walk in to CGs office, so rank matters. Another option is to watch and wait, and stay away. If you would win win based on fact, you have other options within grasp. I would likely not use a hot line. Velvet Glove is effective. Within the organization. Civilians are obviously different.

Response by SPC Patrick O'Brien made Apr 21 at 2021 8:44 AM

2021-04-21T08:44:44-04:00

I gave up trying to report theft or fraudulent activity I would always be told to shut up mind my own business and that anyone with a ranger tab would never do anything illegal. I just sat back until they took things to far and screwed up in front of CID or local police then something would get done but even then the chain would try to minimize the damage

Response by Kenn Evans II made Apr 21 at 2021 11:33 AM

2021-04-21T11:33:16-04:00

If I were to find out, discover, via rumor mill etc, I believe it is my duty to tell them what was told to me or what I discovered in good council. If they don't address it or it will cause severe harm to others, take a friend with me and tell them and then escalate it up the chain of command.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2021 1:32 PM

2021-04-21T13:32:44-04:00

Against the law? Or against the UCMJ?
If it's legitimately illegal activity, call the police.
If it's activity contrary to the UCMJ, you can speak to your CC or call your investigation office.

Response by PO1 Michael Brouty made Apr 21 at 2021 10:06 PM

2021-04-21T22:06:21-04:00

If it's illegal you are oath and honor bound to report it. Sometimes rules were bent to complete the mission, that's OK. If leaders are stealing to enrich themselves, I'd report it in a second.

Response by SGM Robert E. Gray made Apr 22 at 2021 7:07 PM

2021-04-22T19:07:23-04:00

After 30+ years of military service, I have seen wrongness committed by Servicemembers, Government and Contractor personnel. You are obligated and required to report. I did report it but didn't mean something happened. But they always get caught!

Response by SGT George Stephens made Apr 22 at 2021 9:01 PM

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This was a grey area for me. I say this due to the fact of lessons learned from higher. What you see as against the law could very well be saving your life or another.

If there was heavy drugs involved then yes! You have a duty to report but also try to handle it at the lowest level first. Find out how and why.

Fraud, Robbery, Burglary, B&E, etc. Yes report it. Also be smart when you report it too. By that i mean, have your evidence, times, dates, etc. Don't ever just assume anything because as i was told once by my old company first sergeant, "assumptions lead to fuck ups"

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Apr 24 at 2021 1:28 AM

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Call the Office of the Staff Judge Advocate, engage a private attorney or write my Congressman depending on the problem.

Response by Lt Col John Culley made Apr 24 at 2021 1:29 AM

2021-04-24T01:29:58-04:00

Call the office of the Staff Judge Advocate, engage a private attorney or write your Congressman depending on the problem.

Response by PO3 Holly Lewellen made Apr 24 at 2021 6:18 PM

2021-04-24T18:18:13-04:00

This happen after I got out of the Navy and worked on the civilian side. I worked at a NH and my boss was having an affair with a Commander. So she told me that she looked at his Medical records AND the medical records of his wife and kids. Everyone stopped talking to me after I told my DO. The New DO told me to just work with her. She only got 5 days off no pay. One of those days was Veterans day. I quit. HIPPA is not followed at that NH.

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Apr 25 at 2021 11:20 AM

2021-04-25T11:20:34-04:00

Get facts, exactly what actions, witnesses are all needed before doing anything. Depending on your rank, who you will tell or remove chain of command.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Apr 25 at 2021 9:54 PM

2021-04-25T21:54:07-04:00

I had an issue when I was overseas in 1984. Mess cook ALWAYS seemed to have steaks and lobster tails at his home during summer months. While onboard, this once a month meal was limited to E-4's during the summer months. When I realized his nightly cookouts were taken from the ship, I reported it to the ship's Master-at-Arms.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Apr 25 at 2021 10:49 PM

2021-04-25T22:49:31-04:00

Go to your supervisors boss and have it reported to the CID or do it yourself. I saw this done once in Korea and it does work. The name of the person who turned the supervisor in is protected by regs against back lash.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2021 1:22 AM

2021-04-26T01:22:19-04:00

I was serving as one of 3 supervisors in a very specialized section when a person was promoted to be our supervisor from a totally different area who hadn’t worked in our area for over 20 years, in other words he didn’t know squat. He was probably promoted to get his highest last 3 years in for retirement purposes. I complained to our oversight that we had no guidance from our supervisor to help us, because his management style was to keep people at one another's throats. The silence was deafening, my new supervisor made false accusations against me, and my PER went to crap; I left the section to keep my sanity. So much for being professional.

Response by Cpl James R. " Jim" Gossett Jr made Apr 26 at 2021 7:33 AM

2021-04-26T07:33:49-04:00

Turn in!

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Apr 26 at 2021 9:34 AM

2021-04-26T09:34:28-04:00

I was a brand new Marine SSgt (E-6) assigned to an Intelligence govt contracts section at Quantico. Was there a couple of months and had uncovered some irregularities with a subcontractor. But I was the new guy, and wanted to see it through for a while. Soon discovered my LtCol and W.O. discussing their retirement plans with the CEO and GM of this same subcontractor. Seems the LtCol and W.O. had jobs lined up with this company, which was against the rules. Since this was a Top Secret intelligence "black box" contract, our chain-of-command and reporting procedures were different than the normal established procedures. I documented everything I knew, and informed my senior enlisted boss. After he confirmed everything I had discovered, he and I both followed procedure on reporting the problems up our chain of command. About a week after we submitted our findings, we were pulled from the section. My enlisted boss was immediately approved for retirement (which he did not want), and I received orders for Recruiters School. We were ordered not to discuss anything with anybody under threat of violating security. We both immediately requested mass, contacted JAG, contacted our senators and congressman, the CG's office, and IG's office, and got a retired JAG Col. to represent us as our private attorney. When the dust settled a year later, and after many interviews and threats of reprisals, the W.O. and LtCol were retired with no charges. The subcontractor was removed from all Marine contracts, but no charges filed. My former enlisted boss was so disgusted, he decided to retire. I was on recruiting duty, and eventually retired 11 years later. I was disappointed in how it was all handled. But such is life. Live and learn.

Response by MSG Raymond Davis made Apr 26 at 2021 9:41 AM

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As a MP/CID Special Agent I would treat them like anyone else and "DO WHAT HAS TO BE DONE". A criminal is a criminal. No one is above the law.

Response by A1C Riley Sanders made Apr 26 at 2021 11:11 AM

2021-04-26T11:11:24-04:00

COL burroughs :
If you found out your leader or immediate Supervisor was doing something against the law,
like fraud, what would you do.
I feel confronting this individual is not the way to handle this situation as very likely guilty of the same offense prior to present one.
I feel should forward to a higher ranking supervisor above immediate supervisor .
I was faced with situation regarding a Pastor who was hitting on women in the Church he was Pasturing, "At the time i was a head Elder" a young divorcee approached me regarding this situation ,
The Pastor was fairly new , we were a small Church and he came with a past , however recommended to us by the Conference, Rather than take it to the the Church Board, I took it to the Conference that recommended this man to the Church. Now in the hands of the Conference,
it was their decision to dismiss this Pastor ( fired )

Response by SP5 Michael Cates made Apr 26 at 2021 10:57 PM

2021-04-26T22:57:50-04:00

Turn them in!

Response by SP5 Michael Cates made Apr 26 at 2021 10:58 PM

2021-04-26T22:58:17-04:00

Turn them in!

Response by SGT John Pearson made Apr 27 at 2021 2:39 PM

2021-04-27T14:39:22-04:00

I have dealt with this both in and out of the military. Each time I would gather evidence and send it up the chain of command, of course going over the head of the boss doing wrong. I did this anonymously. Now the higher ups know something is amiss, they can deal with it or not. I felt like I did my part. I leaned the hard way about reporting unlawful stuff personally. Many bosses have powerful allies.

Response by SGT Harald Hendrichsen made Apr 28 at 2021 4:15 PM

2021-04-28T16:15:06-04:00

Maybe I'm old school, but unquestionably, yes, no matter the consequences. Right is right; wrong is wrong.

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made Apr 29 at 2021 9:03 AM

2021-04-29T09:03:25-04:00

If your worth your salt, you will go to company gunny and report what YOU know* Just look into the mirror and ask is this right thing to do*

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2021 6:57 PM

2021-04-29T18:57:17-04:00

The professional move is to receive just enough info to validate if it’s legitimate and tell the NCOIC (1SG). If you feel that position is compromised and connected you inform the Commander. That goes both ways. Meaning if the CDR is compromised then you tell a different Commanding Officer or SR NCOIC. You can absolutely not get into trouble for following UCMJ and the law. This also applies to Field and General Grade. Even they pay the piper. The chain of Command goes all the way to the White House and God forbid you do what your rank can handle. The law is the law.

Response by CPO Robert Turner made Apr 30 at 2021 10:51 AM

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The Core Values in the Navy and Marine Corp is "Honor, Courage, Commitment". Courage is not always referred here in a combat situation but having courage to stand up when you see something that is wrong. Sometimes in doing so takes an amazing amount of courage. It is part of the Core Values for just that reason. If you see something being done that is wrong stand up and say it even if it is your superiors. It is part of the Core Values. Honor also plays a part. None of this comes easy.

Response by MCPO Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2021 10:24 AM

2021-05-01T10:24:37-04:00

Check the regulations about any infraction, it’s says the same thing regardless of the service branch. It’s not only an obligation to report it; it’s a requirement.
It’s shocking to me just how many members never read their service regs.

Response by Lt Col Leslie Bryant made May 23 at 2021 4:30 PM

2021-05-23T16:30:01-04:00

On my first tour as US Air Attache to Nicaragua and first of four tours to US Embassies, I arrived to my Boss, the Defense and Army Attache under investigation for travel fraud and removed from the Defense Attache Office. The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) had not briefed me he was under investigation or that I would be arriving to be Acting Defense Attache out of fear I would back out of the assignment leaving 2 empty slots that take 3 years to fill. I arrived to the departing Air Attache being angry and jealous that he was not going to be the Acting Defense Attache and refused to do an amicable turnover. Then he caught Dengue Fever and could not fly for 2 weeks because he could suffer neurological damage from high air pressure. Meantime the US Ambassador had never been told the Defense Attache was fired and would not be returning. At the same time a Foreign Service Officer who had been his Girlfriend for 2 years despite his being married kept calling to know his status. In the midst of all of this, I was told one of my only two NCOs might be sexually abusing his 3 children to have to return his family to the US for a CID investigation. That required informing the US Ambassador who convened a Child Abuse Group to hear the allegation and recommend the family be sent back to the US. Once his family was in the US, DIA refused to have the NCO return because he now supposedly posed no issue to his family but more importantly because they didn’t want to have to replace him. But how can a family begin to address its issues when the head of the family is overseas and everyone else is in psychological counseling. Getting him removed and returned to the US required I write my own investigative report along with authoring a professional consult on his likely being a sexual molestor which luckily I could do having been a Special Agent and Forensic Science Officer, which I then submitted to the IG, DIA. And he was on the next flight back to the US! Then Hurricane Mitch struck and because I was the only person in the US Embassy of 60 Americans to realize we had a Category 4 Hurricane became the US Ambassador’s Point Person for US Assistance to Nicaragua to include being the Head of Emergency Operations coordinating food, plastic and relief supplies for 6 months and then 18 months being Head of Reconstruction and Recovery hosting 42 VIP visits; 45 damage assessments, overseeing arrival of 9 helicopters and aircrews with billeting, messing, and transport; planning search and rescue and medical evacuations; identifying the location of 100 Peace Corps Volunteers, writing and securing the first US Nicaragua Status of Forces Agreement, housing, billeting and transport for 1800 arriving US troops for 6 months, planning of road and bridge repairs. On top of all of this my baggage and household goods were declared lost! I became the first US military officer in 30 plus years to wear a US military uniform every day for work in Nicaragua! My old Boss went onto his dream job, Chief Engineer for the Oklahoma National Guard! Try explaining to overworked, under appreciated NCOs why a Colonel didn’t get a slap on the wrist and retained his full rank and pension!

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made May 24 at 2021 7:01 AM

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Another canned question. You know the answer, 1. report it to the appropriate investigation authority, 2. up the chain. You are NOT a whistleblower but with this BS question more like blowing wind.

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made May 24 at 2021 4:57 PM

2021-05-24T16:57:15-04:00

Colonel, this should be a "no brainer" for folks who have got it packed in a sock. Once one has established that the situation is indeed a valid issue and not some rumor monger whoes gone off the reservation with some yahoo story, then indeed that is why you have a chain and the Military Police. There is no "comfort time" for a criminal and it would not be wise to prolong the situation any longer than needs to be. Its simple, "Do the crime, do the time." This person, by their behavior has sold out the honor and integrity of every officer and member of their command and at the end of the day when all we have left is pocket change we do have our honor and integrity and somedays that will buy you a whole lot more at the company store than being some nice guy social worker. I may sound hard core, but I have a hard time with someone who veered off course and ran aground because of their personal greed. No Sir, I've not encountered anyone at anytime in my career who sold themseves or the organization out by their greedy faudulent actions. I've been fortunate to have good senior officers and crew to work for and with.

Response by Capt Ken Davis made May 25 at 2021 10:36 AM

2021-05-25T10:36:40-04:00

Was what the supervisor doing a violation of the UCMJ? If so, report that person to the higher authority. Everyone in uniform has a duty and responsibility to maintain good order and discipline.

Response by SFC John Gilmore made May 26 at 2021 8:45 AM

2021-05-26T08:45:53-04:00

Unfortunately profiteering has occurred in every conflict ever waged. That being said, I remember that one of the leadership traits was "courage", both physical and moral. Physical courage is the easier of the two to be sure! In my experience moral courage...doing what is right in spite of the possible consequences is very difficult so many times. My view is this: if someone is profiteering, that very lack of integrity will seep into all aspects of their job, and ultimately can result in danger to the troops we lead. If you can't trust the leadership you're in a world of hurt. I personally would have to find an officer I trusted, report it, and let the chips fall where they may. Otherwise by my very inaction I feel that I'd be betraying my oath "according to military regulation and the UCMJ". Just my 2 cents.

Response by COL Randy Lane made May 26 at 2021 3:29 PM

2021-05-26T15:29:35-04:00

COL Burroughs,

Great question we should all keep asking ourselves on a regular basis if we truly considers ours a "profession". Difficult easy answer though given the changing environment over the past four decades in our Army. Of course we have all been taught (hopefully starting long before entry into service) what right looks like and what to do if something is encountered illegal, immoral, or unethical. We teach/train the Army values and ethical standards yearly although we continue to see/hear so many instances of existing actions contrary to those values and standards. We truly do need to ask ourselves why? If our system is established with clear standards and our professionals are charged to enforce and exemplify same, why is there such a deviation and contrary action tolerated or even supported at times. Could each of these failures to act or failure to truly hold leaders and Soldiers accountable be tearing at the fabric of our Army Values? Over the past 36 years I have seen compromise after compromise of our values and standards (even in combat environments) to enable and appease in order to protect "friends" or keep the voluntary force intact. I was taught and learned that no punishment should be standard policy however maybe we have loosened those reigns too much allowing for protection of cliques and "supporters" of our leaders.
I am sure everyone has read about the United States Military Academy recent incidents of unethical behavior occurring at one of our top institutions for producing leaders. Frankly I am not surprised because the Army quite often teaches our Soldiers to "get the job done anyway they have to"..."mission and people come first". For years we have all read or experienced stories of Supply Sergeants being praised for their ability to "acquire materials". Sure probably small by comparison however, were should we draw the line to ensure that line does not become so blurry we lose our own Values and Ethics? Some of those same Soldiers trained in the Army to get the job done anyway you have to went on to enter the Academy to become officers however were already tainted by what the "real Army" tells you. Now we expect them to not lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those wo do???
I fully support standing up for doing what is right (especially when no one is watching) however you must understand in a system that protects those who come along there may be consequences. Easier for us retired folks to claim action than a SPC with a wife, two kids and trying to make ends meet. Seek out those you can trust and if none are in your unit (that is a shame) but go to the professional organizations mentioned below and try to trust the system.

Response by PFC Chester Southworth made May 28 at 2021 10:52 PM

2021-05-28T22:52:19-04:00

We were told to bury aircraft, tanks, munitions, armor, scud missiles in one foot of dirt before pushing out of Kirkuk Iraq. Incinerator crew from COS warrior were mad to find a scud missile in the trash cans. Oh, great Iraq pull out of 2011 was a shit fest on parade rest. Everything had to go somewhere man, pushing equipment or comes containers into a 1-foot hole. With one soldier at a time per conex does that. So many DOD laptops and computers just laying around when we left. Passwords written on the monitors by orders of E-7 to E-9s forgetfulness paid out I guess. Anyone here seen ISIS videos with our gear, tanks, helicopters, and 155mm cannons on Youtube in 2012-2021? Knows what I mean, by orders of Obama leave Iraq in 2011 alone as it is, gear intact. Everyone knows about the Kirkuk Iraq scud missiles in the dumpsters and incinerator incinerator incidents. All 100% of my command spent, while 2011 great pull out of Iraq, planning their next unit move or transfer or promotion out of the First ID. As a private, all my OIG reports came back with a huge saying every time, said fuck you! I never gained so much weight in my life to leave Fort Riley in a hurry as weight gain discharge. Must have been billions of dollars and security issues into the trillions of dollars left for ISIS. John McCain also said Fuck You to all my reports to him. Saying we have our hands busy already with ISIS in 2013. I left three months on weight gain discharge after my deployment on purpose before my MED Board review even kicked in. I told generals to OIG, every time they said quoted, 'You want to end up in Leavenworth or worse soldier'! This was from the great 2011 Iraq pull out of the gulf war ending. Lucky

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Response by PFC Chester Southworth made May 28 at 2021 10:57 PM

2021-05-28T22:57:26-04:00

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Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2021 2:54 PM

2021-05-30T14:54:47-04:00

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave" = ok...

What does this say about you, if you don't say anything about it?

I have always made decisions based on certain criteria. (1) Does the situation/activity violate what would be considered ETHICAL? (2) Does the situation/activity violate what would be considered MORAL? and lastly (3) Does the situation/activity violate any LAW, Regulation, SOP, Policy, or Procedure ???

If the answer is YES,YES,YES...then I would have a decision to make...If it was something petty (Let's say a 10 dollar error on a Travel Voucher) then I would confront the individual, If it was egregious, (Let's say a 10 Million Dollar re-routing of funds to a personal account) then I would report it through proper channels.

FRAUD regardless of the amount, violates all three criteria (ie) Contract kickbacks, a clear violation of the Federal Acquisition Regulation.

We don't live in a courtroom... A whistleblower can put themselves in considerable danger depending on the circumstances. Proper evidence would need to be gathered and the whistleblower's statement verified and fact-checked. The whistleblower would need to be protected. I remember in one situation a Soldier was emergency PCS'd to a new duty station overseas while the court case was going on. Later, the other Soldier involved was court-martialed under chapter 10, found guilty, Dishonorably Discharged, and incarcerated.

Response by PO2 Robert Cuminale made May 30 at 2021 3:19 PM

2021-05-30T15:19:43-04:00

The only thing I saw was something called "Basket Leave". The request chit for leave would go to personnel and be thrown into the "in" basket. The requester went on leave and when he returned his leave wouldn't be recorded on his pay file and the chit would disappear. I caught on when a coworker seemed to be going on leave to much to me. I said something about it seemed as if he'd just had leave and he explained it t me. The guys in personnel did it for their friends.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made May 31 at 2021 6:29 AM

2021-05-31T06:29:16-04:00

Would have no choice but to report them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2021 3:24 PM

2021-05-31T15:24:23-04:00

I am amazed that someone would even ask such a thing. If my supervisor was robbing a bank, committing murder, or molesting children???????
Here is a thought stop them in the act, report him, tell someone, if your not in a position to stop it get someone who is. Do the right thing!
I'm not saying flag down a cop if you think someone is speeding, If someone is seriously committing a crime and you know it, you have a moral and ethical obligation to DO THE RIGHT THING.

Response by SMSgt Kevin Townsend made Jun 3 at 2021 4:59 PM

2021-06-03T16:59:23-04:00

I was a Reserve SNCO on a EAD tour. I was assigned to a RegAF base and unit, one that had high visibility (the Secretary of the Air Force regularly visited). An O-3 back at my parent unit sent out "questionable pictures" of scantily clad young ladies over an offical email group I was part of. This violated all sorts of regs not to metion it could be construed as Conduct Unbecomming An Officer (CUBO). When the ax fell I wanted no part of what was comming so I emailed the officer in question. I politely but very explicitly pointed out the illegal nature of what he was doing. I respectfully requested that he no longer include me on any future emails containing such contents. I BCC my direct report (a RegAF CMSgt holding the title Commandant). When things went sideways and I was interviewed I had documented proof that I was not a party to these events, that I had reported them to my superiors, and that I had warned the O-3 to cease his illegal acts. I walked; the O-3 didn't.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Jun 5 at 2021 7:21 PM

2021-06-05T19:21:14-04:00

Ale it up the chain, if I had proof, and I told my PSG and 1SG.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jun 14 at 2021 4:34 PM

2021-06-14T16:34:45-04:00

Start figuring who was not involved and could help me report it

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2021 4:53 PM

2021-06-14T16:53:23-04:00

Not this situation but I flunked a Foreign Officer in my class because I caught him cheating on a test. My E-8 said pass him. I said no. I don't pass cheaters. So off we go to my Captain. It was explained to me that this can and most likely cause an incident. I told my Captain I don't care I caught him cheating on a test and I cannot and will not pass him. My Captain smiled and dismissed me. Someone changed his grade but not me.

Response by SPC Marvin Darling made Jun 23 at 2021 12:22 PM

2021-06-23T12:22:01-04:00

It is the duty of the witness to absolutely report it. You can report it anonymously straight to JAG. I'm sure they will investigate and take appropriate actions as necessary.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2021 2:23 PM

2021-06-23T14:23:27-04:00

I was approached by a former S3 officer, who approached me once an asked if I could get him some Molly, I was so shocked that he approached me, I retreated to my office to think about my moves... I ended up confronting him telling him to never ask me something like that again... I spoke to one of his peers as well. In the end, nothing happened to him, but the surly addressed, because it wasn't long before he was transferred... I thought about possible outcomes in a private conversation... Officer vs. Enlisted rarely lands in favor of the later listed.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jun 24 at 2021 8:07 AM

2021-06-24T08:07:25-04:00

I have & would follow "The Honor Code," ie "Not compromise my personal or professional values in favor of expediency." It can be difficult & inconvenient, but, most of us don't have the authority to personally interpret it reinterpret "grey areas."

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Jun 24 at 2021 6:33 PM

2021-06-24T18:33:34-04:00

Make a back up of any evidence, take it to your chain of command immediately but keep the backup just in case.. IF nothing transpires for a reasonable amount of time, i.e. the person is still there, nothing said, and even still doing it, contact the legal authority on your base. But again, make sure you use the CHAIN of command first and foremost and go as high as you need before doing an end around to the base police.

Response by WO1 Mike Dwyer made Jun 24 at 2021 7:41 PM

2021-06-24T19:41:50-04:00

Did anyone contact CID? Fraud is a big part of what they do.

Response by COL Dave Sims made Jun 25 at 2021 12:18 PM

2021-06-25T12:18:24-04:00

Let us not mistake dealing with compromises of our personal integrity and standards with being a "whistleblower". It is a duty and serious responsibility to report wrong doing - in or out of uniform.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Jun 25 at 2021 5:07 PM

2021-06-25T17:07:52-04:00

The most correct answer would be to first approach your leader or supervisor and make sue he or she was aware it was an illegal action that had been observed and could be documented, and then---if the leader or supervisor took no corrective action--report it up channel. As a practical reality that could be the kiss of death for your career. Any action you take to correct the problem better be well thought out and documented. At the same time ignoring the problem perpetuates it, if it truly is a problem. If the leader or supervisor is exercising best judgment in a difficult situation the best course of action may be to support him or her. I think this is why we are issued a brain at birth. Sometimes we have to use our best judgment in following a leader who is doing likewise.

Response by CPO William A. Bullard Jr. made Jun 25 at 2021 6:42 PM

2021-06-25T18:42:44-04:00

You put the sonofabitch on report; that is what you do. Date, Time, Place,Who. What, When, and Where. Document your details. That is NOT so hard is it????? It really doesn't matter whether or not the person is Senior to you. When StatenIsland NavSta. was on line I hade a Sr.Chief walk in one morning to my carpentershop drunk on his ass, pick up a ball bat and threaten my first class. He was frozen to the spot. I ordered the Sr.Chioef to put the ball bat down; he refused. I picked uo the phone and called CMAA and had him come down. I front of him the whole dsamend RF5Division I put that no good sonofabitch on report and made it stick. Me???? I'm just a regular old Chief [E-7] one each, a Camel and a cup of hot Navy black. You don't infringe UCMJ; you don't assault personnel. the language is laconic, terse, clear and does NOT need interpretation beacuse there is NO nuance about rank and seniority. I'm a Chief and I could give a good shit less if you're CNO; you don't threaten my people. Life in the Navy [pick one Army Mar.Corps...] is as simple as that.

Response by SMSgt Billy Cesarano made Jun 28 at 2021 4:32 PM

2021-06-28T16:32:32-04:00

I've seen some pretty incompetent people in leadership positions. That in mind, I would confront them kindly pointing out the infraction element and the corresponding law, regulation etc., maybe the individual was unaware (the "something" is not defined here) or overwhelmed and derelict. Keep it as close as possible and escalate in a professional manner as possible according to the situation. In the end, if nothing is done, re-evaluate whether you want to be a party to an organization ripe with corruption.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2021 10:09 AM

2021-06-29T10:09:18-04:00

A word of caution, if you decide to to take that step to do the right thing make sure you have all the facts and documents. Once you decide to turn them in you will be among the whistle Blowers. You will lose support from friends and Chain of Command. In 1985 I turned in a Senior Officer for embezzlement, fraud and having ties to the KKK. I went AWOL to another post and turned over all documents over to the Post Commander. What I received was a phone call from my branch manager telling me that I have a snow balls chance in hell of making E-6 and E-7 is out of the question. I went to the Board for E-6 three times ,passed twice failed once. I retired in 2015 as an E-5 with 17 years time in grade and 25 years of Service. If I had to do do it all over again, I would do it in a heart beat; because it was the right thing to do at the time. I have always despised Toxic Leadership and bad NCO's. Bad Officers are the result of bad NCO's.

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made Jul 31 at 2021 11:58 AM

2021-07-31T11:58:41-04:00

I found my supervisor was collecting Basic Allowance for Quarters (BAQ) while living in government quarters in Germany. I just learned immediately before I was appointed a WO1 in the reserves and I picked up a 4 year active duty commitment. I reported him and he had some lame excuse (finance center problems) coupled with a poor CID investigation. Others in my career field found out and my first supervisor as a warrant (a CW3) gave me an adverse OER, rating me a 2 for “loyalty” as a payback for what I did, even though my reporting was before I made warrant and outside the rated period. At the end of my four year active duty commitment, I was denied continued service as a warrant officer on active duty. The Army reverted me back to SSG, while I continued a reserve career as a warrant. I had made CW2 before being reverted to SSG and made CW3 In the inactive reserve. I made SFC before I retired. My career manager was attempting me to accept an assignment at Fort Bragg to help me get promoted to 1SG but I elected to retire and did so at the highest rank held. If I were in your case, call the DOD IG fraud hotline. Ask to be carried as a confidential source. There are now safeguards which did not exist in 1982. I can also say that I would not change my decision which I made in 1982 and the supervisor who gave me an unjustified bad OER is still a prick.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 17 at 2021 1:46 PM

2021-08-17T13:46:13-04:00

I had an E-9 who after we had retired our shop's floor while government procured tiles, decided he'd take the excess to retire his off base home. My supervisor who watche him load his POV with six boxes of tiles, called the SAS and reported it. Well the SAS turned it over to the squadron commander, who it turned out was the E-9's brother in law! The commander dismissed the "appropriation" as a simple case of "revenge " by my supervisor. But the SPs's office" had reported it to the JAG's office, who just informed the E-9 to return the unopened boxes of tiles. The E-9 retired a month later with full benefits!

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Sep 18 at 2021 10:48 PM

2021-09-18T22:48:30-04:00

I found some black marketing activity going on in Korea once, I notified the camp security and they said thank you, but we have been watching them for a couple of weeks. The action against them people came down about three days later.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2022 6:35 PM

2022-09-22T18:35:56-04:00

Not a dilemma I'd ever want to be in.