If you have over 60 days leave and you repeatedly make leave requests but your unit denies them do you still lose the excess leave?

SSG Tom Pike — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:07:02 -0500

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2018 8:43 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 08:43:39 -0500

Yes you would still lose the days. You should definitely make sure that your PSG is tracking that you're in use or lose, While you wont lose those days till the start of the fiscal year I'd start the dialogue and get a set time that your unit is willing to let you take the days.

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Feb 7 at 2018 9:35 AM

SSgt Dan Montague — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 09:35:26 -0500

Yes you will lose it. I lost some when I came off of recruiting duty. Now if it is someone denying you leave and your unit is not mission critical for a deployment, then you need to request mast.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2018 10:08 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:08:22 -0500

Yes you will.
But absent a really good reason for denying leave, this situation is bull$#!t.
Has any rationale been presented?

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Feb 7 at 2018 10:58 AM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 10:58:26 -0500

If you are in use or lose your unit cannot deny you leave. If you are getting denied, big army doesn't see any of those requests, you will lose your days.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Feb 7 at 2018 11:39 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 11:39:15 -0500

Yes, but the unit will get reamed for it if S1-PAC is up to snuff. It is definitely something to run thru the chain of command as high as it takes to go. No one is irreplaceable !

Response by SSG Tom Pike made Feb 7 at 2018 12:14 PM

SSG Tom Pike — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 12:14:54 -0500

Just for clarification, it's not for me, I'm a veteran. It's for my son. He's a PFC an not really into making any waves yet and we have the fortunate situation that he is stationed just 2 1/2 hrs from home. Close enough he doesn't have to take leave to come home. So for holidays like Christmas or Thanksgiving where they usually get 4 days off even just a regular weekend sometimes he just lets his squad leader know where he is going, jumps in his truck and comes home. So the only times he has put in for leave to go on hunting or motorcycle trips with me, which are not around major holidays, have coincided with the unit training missions. The response he gets is "you are just putting in leave to get out of training" even though it has only been 3 requests. He's not over 60 days yet, but will be by the end of the fiscal year. So he will have to find some way to burn some leave.

I was just thinking maybe there was a waiver process if you requested leave and were denied.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 7 at 2018 3:32 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Wed, 07 Feb 2018 15:32:40 -0500

Yes

However
it is the commander duty and responsibility to mange his units leave. Part of that duty and responsibility is to set conditions where a member can use authorized leave without "loosing it"
If they are not doing that that have failed a basic responsibility of command.
Most commanders are adverse to that label of failure..
I would turn it around, Sir you have denied my leave request. sir I have X days that must be used by XX XX 2018 What is your recommendation to that, which will allow me to use those use or loose leave days?

That all Said.. Countless times I have heard this complaint, what I found out later is... the SM making the claim turned down previous opportunities to take leave.. If so, the later claim is invalid, sucks to be use, loose leave.

Your commander is required by duty to provide opportunity leave, they have ZERO duty to provide it on your terms.

If you were offered leave last summer and Holiday period but did not take it because you wanted to go to your sisters wedding this month, too bad, NTC takes precedent..go to training, loose leave.

Of course a command team should try and accommodate as many unit members as they can for leave dates within the needs of the Army, the unit and the mission. Reality is, some in the unit will need to take leave when they would rather not, or lose leave.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Feb 8 at 2018 3:40 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 15:40:24 -0500

I seem to remember that you could have up to 90 days if there was an operational reason you couldn't take it.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2018 10:38 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:38:13 -0500

yes...but why would your unit deny them? Are you under UCMJ? Are you training for deployment? Are you GRF? If not, you need to IG the shit out them because it's failure on your CMD's part to let soldiers accumulate that many leave days without telling the soldier to take leave.

Response by CPL Any Jim made Apr 26 at 2018 6:58 PM

CPL Any Jim — Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:58:51 -0400

Yes you will lose excess leave! I was pcsing 1 time, with you or lose of 27 days, and a report date of october 11. Platoon sgt insisted there was sum magical system in army if on pcs leave you have use or lose leave those days will be lost. Worse thing is platoon sgt believed his magical fairy tale. When got to nx unit at my october end up les : i was charged for 30 days and also had a loss of 7 days...

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Sep 25 at 2019 6:13 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:13:46 -0400

I'll try again, without making a mistake this time...as one also said on here in answer, I see no reason why you should lose any accumulated leave due to training needs...I'd most definitely ask for chaplain help, seriously, to ask them to interfere with your chain, or whoever controls leave at your installation...when I was USAF, it was the airbase group (ABGp) where I was assigned, though there was also a consolidated base personnel office (CBPO), I don't know how Army does it, esp wherever you are, of course...I'm not meaning it to sound naive, cliched, or trite...purely on a psychological level, two months of accumulated time is quite a good deal, you're clearly to my mind entitled to a break, aside from your own personal stuff needing to get done as well...chaplains, as clerics, are quite useful, I'd observed, in dealing with such purely morale things, they have a way of being listened to and/or opening doors you might have trouble with, or find stuck shut, as it were...that being said, you've got zero to lose asking them, I should think, if nothing else...I didn't know if DFAS got involved in leave stuff at all, however, that occurred to me as a possibility as well...also, purely from a break standpoint, clinically, though I'd obv try chaplains first, as I'd said, there's always the clinical staff by you, whom, I should think, could also quite possibly intercede with your chain to get you the break you're asking for, I mean, to me, God knows, two.months is a.long while with no extended break, God knows, and, at least to my way of thinking, you should certainly be more than entitled to at least.some reasonable interval of time off, should of a really serious emergency or something of that sort, or a deployment, I'd think, if only to help maximize your efficiency, certainly, if nothing else, you know? I must admit, that was a fairly thought-provoking question, one I hadn't run across before, I can't recall anything similar happening to me, of course, though I can quite clearly perceive your reason for asking, given that it's apparently happening to you, evidently, you know? Those are just my thohghts, at any rate...and by clinical staff, I'd expect even just a PA or internist at your clinical unit you could.also ask, as I'd been saying, they should certainly perceive the rationale for your making such a request, aside from the chaplains or their staff, as well, honest...perhaps my suggestions are naive, though you'd certainly be at least more than justified, at least to my mind, as well.as to chat with a DFAS supervisor and/or manager, if they also get involved at all in accumulated.leave, though, as I'd said, I'm unsure how Army does such things, let alone now, as opposed to when I'd been in, of course, I'd expect DFAS must have someone who accounts for use of leave,.though, obv, I'm unsure, of course, you'd need to ask about that...most interesting question, as I'd said, I'd be quite interested to know whatever you'd found out, or if any of my notions might actually be of any possible value,.if you'd try them at all, no rush, of course, just wondered, obv, hope all that was of at least some possible use, of course....