If you saw one of your Joes doing this, how would you react?

2016-09-07T21:23:31-04:00

I went to basic with this SM and saw on his Facebook that he went to Prom in his ACU's. How would you go about mentoring one of your subordinates that are in violation of AR670-1?

AR670-1 Chapter 4 Section 3 Line 2... That's what I found in the reg, please attach anything else you find

**EDIT** This is not a Dance, but it is some Formal assembly and to the best of my knowledge he is not on Duty.. Class A's would of been appropriate (as long as it's in regs, which I'm sure isn't hard since he would only have 1 ribbon)

Response by SFC George Smith made Sep 7 at 2016 9:24 PM

2016-09-07T21:24:26-04:00

Interesting
I would Read him the "Riot Act" and introduce him to "AR 670-1" at nose level ...
and Write Him a Scathing Counseling report (or whatever below UCMJ)... and make sure he Understands he "Fire-Trucked Up" by the numbers ...
and I bet ya he don't do it again...
I had a Kid do something like this at 1st Group Sig Det. @ Ft lewis (1991)... he went on to make a Great Electronics Maintenance Warrant officer... and he's Now a CW-5 ...

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 9:31 PM

2016-09-07T21:31:39-04:00

And provide regs for your respective branch, I know they are different

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 9:33 PM

2016-09-07T21:33:06-04:00

Just bring it to his attention. Maybe he didn't know. Just do it on the sly. No need to get anyone involved. You might suggest he take the picture down. Stupid mistakes are one thing. Stupid mistakes with photographic evidence can end with you signing papers. Not worth it.

Response by SGT Jamie Gregory made Sep 7 at 2016 9:40 PM

2016-09-07T21:40:16-04:00

This is like going to the bar with you company and the new private shows up wearing a army t-shirt, jeans, and combat boots.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 9:52 PM

2016-09-07T21:52:36-04:00

As many have stated, it can be perceived negatively. Therefore, it's wrong. I read "prom" and think he's over 18 and possibly dating someone underage - perception. More important and objective, if it were an appropriate event, he should be in dress attire. As SFC Private RallyPoint Member stated, it's already done. Best to tell him why its wrong and show him where to look. If he seems not to care, then you have a bigger issue. If he seems somewhat embarrassed and understands, he should consider asking people to take it down.

Let's be real. We all think certain things we know now should've been stressed during BCT/AIT/OSUT. A DS has a hard job for 3 months -creating a Soldier from a civilian. That's why everyone has to do their part - Army Values, everyone's a Leader with basic military authority (regardless of rank - senior or subordinate). Cover down, SPC.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 9:53 PM

2016-09-07T21:53:56-04:00

If I was going to break regulations to go to a prom in uniform.. (Which I wouldn't), I would at least wear my blues?

Response by MSgt John Taylor made Sep 7 at 2016 10:00 PM

2016-09-07T22:00:28-04:00

I would remind him that he's not a child anymore. Then, I would post this picture all over the unit.

Response by SrA Michael Dorwaldt made Sep 7 at 2016 10:01 PM

2016-09-07T22:01:25-04:00

Well well. I agree paperwork is not in order, unless this is a repeat offense. And not knowing this is wrong is not an excuse, as everyone is instructed on it in basic. However, in my opinion, I would have a discussion with said individual, and make it crystal clear this is incorrect. I no longer know all the regs, however, he should be made aware of what it says, and that it was inappropriate and unbecoming and why, and since I'd assume he is a young man, chalk it up as a learning experience for him. At worst I would keep a notation on file, as to the discussion so if it does happen again that there is a record to fall back on, like we used to call letters of counseling.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 10:17 PM

2016-09-07T22:17:14-04:00

If I knew he was planning on doing this prior to prom, I would instruct him not to. Upon seeing this then his six would be on fire a little bit. If he did not come to me prior and I found out after the fact, well.....what's done is done but he would still receive some words from me.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 10:55 PM

2016-09-07T22:55:25-04:00

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2016 11:22 PM

2016-09-07T23:22:44-04:00

Not knocking his character but totally out of regulation and to a prom. Tux it dude.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Sep 8 at 2016 12:55 AM

2016-09-08T00:55:58-04:00

Good luck on any uniform issues. The Navy has so many uniforms it makes me dizzy just thinking about them. I shouldn't say this but I'm damn glad I'm retired...............

Response by SGT Shawn Volkmann made Sep 8 at 2016 1:33 AM

2016-09-08T01:33:11-04:00

I was able to go see my HS class graduate. (I had gotten a GED and enlisted which at the time was allowed I also had to have parental consent because I was 17). I didn't even dream of wearing anything else but my Class A uniform. Is discipline lacking now? The only fear I ever had was of disgracing myself by not following my regulations.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Sep 8 at 2016 1:52 AM

2016-09-08T01:52:45-04:00

That would require some discussion with what is and what is not proper wear off the installation and where to and not wear any uniform combination. There was a time fatigues, BDUs etc were not even allowed off as Post or Base except to travel to and from work and no along the way stops allowed. This troop did not use very good judgement !

Response by Maj John Bell made Sep 8 at 2016 2:23 AM

2016-09-08T02:23:45-04:00

Old school USMC - Utilities are inappropriate attire off base unless traveling under orders. (i.e. if your car breaks down or you run out of gas, you've got some explaining to do). The current popular trend of mommy or daddy surprising their child by returning from deployment and surprising the kids at school or home has created the illusion that utilities are OK of base. May be they are OK off base, but they shouldn't be.

Response by SCPO Jason McLaughlin made Sep 8 at 2016 5:54 AM

2016-09-08T05:54:29-04:00

I've seen literally hundreds of "return home" videos where Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines return from deployment to surprise someone at a formal/semi-formal event in a uniform that would not normally be appropriate. I haven't heard of any repercussions of those uniform violations.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Sep 8 at 2016 6:32 AM

2016-09-08T06:32:26-04:00

I'm in agreement with the majority of the responders here. Class 'A's would have been a more proper attire.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 7:17 AM

2016-09-08T07:17:15-04:00

ACUs are a pretty lame Prom outfit for sure, but the girl he is standing with is in her cheerleader outfit so I don't think "fancy Prom" was what they were going for. I mean FFS she is wearing Tennis shoes.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 8:30 AM

2016-09-08T08:30:59-04:00

At least he didn't dress as a girl... Bout all you can hope for now days

Response by SGT David T. made Sep 8 at 2016 8:33 AM

2016-09-08T08:33:42-04:00

I wouldn't react, but then again I am not in the Army anymore and Facebook was in its infancy at the time I got out so I never had to deal with these things. From my civilian perspective, it is pretty funny that he is pimping with cheerleaders lol.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Sep 8 at 2016 8:37 AM

2016-09-08T08:37:38-04:00

What would I do? Well if this was back when I was a SPC or SGT I would likley have done like many here have done assumed and made and ass of myself.
In later years I would have asked a few questions to understand if this was a mistake or intentional and then educated or educated and rebuked situation dependent. And then get onto more important things. Young soldiers make mistakes, if no one died or was hurt, let um learn from it so they can grow up to be leaders.

BTW, more than a few seniors in highschool are 18. I was my entire last year,,,my birthday being 3 days after the school year, so i came into my senior year 18, an "adult" wreaking havoc with the system being abley to "sign" for myself... "Erik was absent yesterday because Erik was at the races, racing, which was deemed more important to his education than PE, Auto Shop, History class for the day.... Signed Erik"
But that as they say is another story.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 9:08 AM

2016-09-08T09:08:12-04:00

First this might be homecoming which happens at the beginning of the school year. The girls have homecoming banners on.

No idea of when this happened? New recruits don't get ACUs anymore. We also give unit patches (US Army logo) to AIT students to wear. No one goes without one except at Basic Training.

My guess as to what is happening here:

He has no unit patch so he might have gone to basic training during the summer and is wearing ACUs (inappropriately, of course) as a senior on his way to AIT.

Or he could be doing a function as part of a detail and didn't put his patch on.

Or....he is a civilian douche just wearing a set of ACUs.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Sep 8 at 2016 9:27 AM

2016-09-08T09:27:32-04:00

Alright need to interject something here. I know that in the National Guard, things are a little different. I know that I once while in the Ky National guard, I helped the recruiter set up at a high school basketball game. Our duty uniform, at the time, was BDU's. So therefore if the kid was helping at a recruiting function at his high school and was at the ball game helping out. Was voted as one of the court for say Homecoming, and was in his ACU's ON DUTY for the recruiter. Then they took the pictures then and there. Then he is with in REG's.

Just because you see the photo you don't know what is going on.

Now if you see someone out after duty hours at the club or at the local watering hole, then yes, that is and issue.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 9:52 AM

2016-09-08T09:52:45-04:00

Someone needs to look at the uniform regulations. I assumed that the ACUs were to be a duty uniform and only can be worn during duty. With the Navy NWUs I was under the impression (with the changes) that they can be work during a work lunch, during duty and to and from duty area (driving to/from work).

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 10:57 AM

2016-09-08T10:57:38-04:00

Give him a high five for dating a cheerleader and then tell him he looks like an idiot wearing his ACU's for that picture.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 11:28 AM

2016-09-08T11:28:03-04:00

There is nothing wrong with this attendance. Don't look for something that is not there. Perhaps he is a member of a performance group, and was running late. Honestly, this is not any of our business.

Response by 1SG Al Brown made Sep 8 at 2016 12:36 PM

2016-09-08T12:36:05-04:00

He's a new Soldier, obviously proud of his uniform, but lacking in knowledge. He may have day-dreamed through a red phase block of instruction. It happens. Vigorously correct him without public embarrassment, and he will be your personal advocate of proper attire for the rest of his career.

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Sep 8 at 2016 12:49 PM

2016-09-08T12:49:49-04:00

He was a Boy Scout then

Response by Sgt Justin Vickers made Sep 8 at 2016 1:28 PM

2016-09-08T13:28:46-04:00

Since you got this from someone's facebook it is just a picture... Why is everyone assuming he is dating a minor and breaking a rule? That could be taken at the dining facility on base where he is posing, on his lunch break, with his kid sister who is the local homecoming queen nominee, on game day. For all we know he is going to run home after his shift is over, jump into some jeans and haul butt over to the stadium next door to root for the bulldogs! Since you do not have the whole story and are not there.. I would say you would do well to stay out of it. Assumptions are dangerous things.
If this was a subordinate of yours then you should ask him about the picture and see what he says. You could be mistaken on your assumption. Most people usually are. If you find he is in fact violating code then have that discussion. You are obligated to do so as his superior. Sorry I figured since everyone else was so ready to jump all over this kid, I would take the other stance.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 2:06 PM

2016-09-08T14:06:36-04:00

Consider if I've really sunk to such a low that I feel the need to destroy every ounce of pride my joes have in their service. Last time I checked, most soldiers joined because they wanted to serve their country, not be berated for every little thing.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Sep 8 at 2016 2:38 PM

2016-09-08T14:38:48-04:00

In his defense he was dressed for what intentions he had after the dance!!

Response by SSgt Donnavon Smith made Sep 8 at 2016 3:07 PM

2016-09-08T15:07:05-04:00

Are we sure he is not ROTC? Could be an old picture, there is no Unit Patch

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 4:11 PM

2016-09-08T16:11:17-04:00

How do you know this isn't JROTC uniform day at said high school and/or if he has enlisted already but not gone to basic he might have been issued the uniform and not know the regs. No flag or unit patch and seeing if he was young and very recent to the military he would have been issued the scorpion style uniform I am leaning towards the JROTC and am going to say good for him for being proud of it.

Response by SGT Robert Cupp made Sep 8 at 2016 4:12 PM

2016-09-08T16:12:53-04:00

I get that he is proud oh his uniform and what he does but that is so lame. I just don't understand why people wear their uniforms like that. To me it just screams, Look at me, I'm a soldier, tell me thank you for your service. I never wear mine for anything but drill nowadays and when it's over I take it off. I to am proud of my service but I don't flaunt it every chance I get either. I really don't want or care to have everyone know I'm in the army.

Response by Sgt Jamie Greenhalgh made Sep 8 at 2016 4:34 PM

2016-09-08T16:34:40-04:00

The fact that someone's panties are in such a twist about him wearing his uniform to the prom is crazy. There are bigger issues. He wasn't being drunk inappropriate a$$hole. I'm sure he doesn't know better. Be a mentor and correct him but for F$$k Sake does it require a public bashing.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 5:12 PM

2016-09-08T17:12:35-04:00

If you look even closer at his uniform he has no unit patch so he could be home for home town recruiting right after basic so he could actually be on duty in this pic and hif gf could've asked him to quickly swing pass the school for a picture. And just because she's still in high school doesn't mean she isn't 18 yet. Ask questions first then after you know the full situation decide what to do from there.

Response by Sgt Chris L. made Sep 8 at 2016 6:04 PM

2016-09-08T18:04:19-04:00

I am going to put on my thinking cap here for a second. 1) Not think it's prom, 2 of the girls are in cheerleading outfits. I'm going out on limb this looks like the homecoming court presentation. 2) Homecoming probably means high school which probably equals JROTC, just saying. 3) really don't have a 3 but if this guy is AD then this weirdo needs to stop hanging out with children or there is going to be a scandal.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Sep 8 at 2016 7:30 PM

2016-09-08T19:30:08-04:00

Just tell him it's out of regs, and let it go. But common sense should have told him to wear his appropriate uni for a formal event. It's not deserving the death penalty.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2016 7:40 PM

2016-09-08T19:40:04-04:00

I know what my NCOs would've done to me...

Response by SMSgt Matthew Hoyer made Sep 8 at 2016 10:08 PM

2016-09-08T22:08:38-04:00

I would tell him that acting like a douche (unless he is on like a recruiter assistance program, in which case good for him) by wearing his utility uniform is negatively affecting the accessions process.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2016 12:40 AM

2016-09-09T00:40:16-04:00

Just going to pass to this off to the PSG. Sure you completed Basic and are proud of it, but there are more appropriate times, places, and ways to ahi off. Best way is to fill oh the 4856 and talk about good motivation but poor judgment.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2016 12:48 AM

2016-09-09T00:48:32-04:00

I think we don't know the real story here and are making guesses. Here is my guess. This is not a prom, but some sort of High School Royalty ceremony. The person in ACUs is a JROTC soldier, or perhaps Split Ops, and is in his duty uniform as appropriate for those days when his program allows that wear. He was probably called up after winning some level of High School "royalty" for the photo op.

Response by James Jones made Sep 9 at 2016 1:17 AM

2016-09-09T01:17:33-04:00

"Stop being dumb. You look ridiculous wearing that around."

Then I'd pop the collar on my flight suit and head out for some beach volleyball.

Response by MSG Russell Riviere made Sep 9 at 2016 4:03 AM

2016-09-09T04:03:36-04:00

The old saying "a picture is worth a thousand words" does not apply, from everything I have read, it should be "a picture is worth a thousand questions".

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Sep 9 at 2016 12:12 PM

2016-09-09T12:12:51-04:00

Well first, I would tell him to take it down. Inform him that he is a reflection of his branch and if he makes a fool out of himself, then he makes a fool of the whole branch. Explain what he did wrong. He might genuinely not know. I know Marines can't wear cammies off bases, but since other services can, he might have thought there was no problem. I also know most other branches have some form of a dress uniform which would have been more appropriate. Then I would go into the other dangers... if he was over age and his date was underage. If there was underage liquor at a prom party (because we all know what happens at proms). Make sure he understands that as a service member, he is held to a higher standard than all the friends he used to hang out with.

I wouldn't do paperwork on him as long as this was kept in house. If someone higher on the chain brought this to your attention, your hands might be tied. But you need to bring it to his attention that if you can see the picture, so can others and he should remove it before he's caught again.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2016 1:23 PM

2016-09-09T13:23:09-04:00

Is he standing at "Parade Attention"?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2016 9:13 PM

2016-09-09T21:13:04-04:00

Whatever is done you shouldn't embarrass this soldier in a public forum, ie comment on his photo. Send him a message letting him know what he did wrong and leave it at that

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2016 11:14 PM

2016-09-09T23:14:06-04:00

It's anybody sure this isn't a high school JROTC cadet? They also wear ACUs.

Response by SFC Dan Garcia made Sep 10 at 2016 1:14 AM

2016-09-10T01:14:31-04:00

I guess you haven't been out to High School sports games or events often. You have 100's or more from COL all the way down to private attending High School sports in uniform. So just to point out one person in uniform during a function is just not right. This has to be the new Army because I have seen uniform violation off post in Malls, stores, bars all the time. No NCO or Officer will correct them because most of the time their in uniform doing the same thing...This didn't happen when I was in the Army and I know back in the Day you couldn't even go on leave from overseas unless you was in class A uniform. Going off post in uniform in public was not happening back ,and if caught you paid the price. I say NCO / Officer needs to go back to the basic, and start in forcing the standard once again. Not just talking about what you would have done. I am positive that we do have a lot of NCO/Officers that do take action when they see a soldier not in accordance with regulation, but we need 100% doing on the spot correction on and off duty. (Army strong)

Response by SFC Joseph Murphy made Sep 16 at 2016 9:08 PM

2016-09-16T21:08:13-04:00

It's good that he wanted to wear is uniform, because his proud. But he should of been in Blues or class A's.

Response by PO2 Mark Turnquist made Sep 21 at 2016 12:38 AM

2016-09-21T00:38:13-04:00

Find out how old she is, if she is under 18 and he is over 18 it would be an inappropriate relationship and he would get court martialed.

Response by CPL Jimmy Hochadel made Oct 12 at 2016 9:58 AM

2016-10-12T09:58:37-04:00

Did anyone stop to think maybe he just got off of duty? Maybe he didn't have time to change. Maybe he was part of the color guard and was asked to come in uniform. Before you judge him based on his appearance ask him.

Response by MSgt Cotton Peterson made Oct 12 at 2016 2:55 PM

2016-10-12T14:55:38-04:00

I'd say most of us here, myself included, have too much time on our hands.

That being said, just tell him what he did wrong.

Response by LCpl C H made Oct 12 at 2016 7:33 PM

2016-10-12T19:33:28-04:00

Pretty lame. Very very boot. I'm glad to see though that the Marine Corps still does not allow the utility work uniform off base. Why not just go home,take a shower and put on appropriate clothing for a formal or semi formal affair.

Response by 1SG Kent Briley made Oct 13 at 2016 1:16 PM

2016-10-13T13:16:13-04:00

Some of you are overlooking the fact that many high schools have ROTC programs, and utilities/BDU/ACUs are what they wear. The lil bastid might not even be enlisted.....

However, if he is enlisted and was mine, he would hear about it in a nice educational PC hug-o-thon (not) and I can assure you there would not be a repeat performance.

Response by LTC Douglas Willetts made Oct 13 at 2016 1:35 PM

2016-10-13T13:35:14-04:00

My response would be "CSM fix this!"

Response by PO3 Tammy McMullen made Oct 13 at 2016 1:57 PM

2016-10-13T13:57:45-04:00

I would need more information to decide what is correct action to take. Maybe this was a personal copy of the person who did it. If in fact is property of someone else, then destroying it is wrong and be dealt with. What everyone fails to see, maybe I missed that comment, is that this defacement, is a personal attack in the making. This group of people may have done something, that the individual who did this views as wronged him/her in some way. Stop jumping to conclusions. Maybe he/she is being bullied and your negative uninformed comments aren't going to help. We are a team!! Start acting like it!!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2016 3:28 PM

2016-10-13T15:28:45-04:00

Ha!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2016 4:48 PM

2016-10-13T16:48:15-04:00

Look at his feet lol

Response by PO3 Rich Dekoven made Oct 13 at 2016 5:19 PM

2016-10-13T17:19:12-04:00

He could be ROTC you just cant tell from the pic. But if not I would tell him take the pic down before the chief sees it and you get your ass handed to you.

Response by Sgt Thomas Thompson made Oct 13 at 2016 6:40 PM

2016-10-13T18:40:38-04:00

I didn't notice he was in what we used to call fatigues which aren't technically supposed to be worn off duty it's been a long time so I forgot it would've been really frowned on and could've brought a disciplinary action in my day

Response by LCpl Marvin McKemie made Oct 13 at 2016 10:02 PM

2016-10-13T22:02:46-04:00

It looks more like a sports event to me, because cheerleaders don't wear those outfits to prom. Do they? As a Marine, the cammies were a no go, off base if you were off duty.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2016 10:48 PM

2016-10-13T22:48:29-04:00

First of all Soldiers like to brag. As his leadership I would have mentored him about what is considered appropriate wear for a formal event as well as informing him of what AR and DA PAM 670-1 say. Then seeing the pic afterwards would have been a formal counseling for failing to follow an order and a regulation (AR 670-1 is now punitive). Some very creative retraining would be in order.

Response by SPC Maurice Tillman made Oct 13 at 2016 11:51 PM

2016-10-13T23:51:57-04:00

It's not a formal uniform. It's a combat uniform. However, it is not against the regulations to wear, so long as the soldier isn't drinking alcohol. It's not uncommon to see National Guardsmen and Reservists in full uniform, especially in a small town...

It states in AR-670-1 "The ACU is not normally considered appropriate for social or official functions, such as memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, etc. The ACU is issued as a combat uniform and is not intended for wear as an all-purpose uniform, when other uniforms are (Class A or B, dress, and mess) are more appropriate."

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 4:15 AM

2016-10-14T04:15:52-04:00

Honestly people get over yourselves. Constantly seeking attention for your service is childish

Response by PO3 Adam Finley made Oct 14 at 2016 5:04 AM

2016-10-14T05:04:06-04:00

When FMF it was very simple, your cammies were pretty much for wear on duty. You didn't wear them off base, you didn't wear them out to eat in town even for lunch, and you wore them only off base when heading home. No exceptions except to stop for gas. It really kept any confusion down. You wanted to appear in public it was bless whites, dress blues, working white, or working blues. That was it, no exceptions to the rule. If you violated it, trust me someone would set you strait right on the spot. I was okay with it and it kept us on the strait and narrow.

When I joined the SCANG it was different and I never really bothered to learn the AR on it. I just went by the old FMF SOP I was used to. It kept me from making the any mistakes....I may have gotten in hot water, but never for anything like this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 5:46 AM

2016-10-14T05:46:28-04:00

Not enough context, and I don't care anyway. When he leaves Dunghole, Iowa to come back to Fort Wherever, no one is going to care that he's in the Army. Let him enjoy his time being the center of attention as the Honorary King of the 76th Annual Dunghole Spinach Festival or whatever.

Response by PO1 David Swift made Oct 14 at 2016 6:41 AM

2016-10-14T06:41:57-04:00

Do they wear BDU's in high school ROTC

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 8:09 AM

2016-10-14T08:09:13-04:00

Looks to me like a homecoming queen and her court ... being escorted by JROTC and other selectees at a school presentation and pep rally. The sashes all say Homecoming ...

I'd keep my yap shut ... unless I wanted to compliment him on the fox he was escorting.

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Oct 14 at 2016 8:28 AM

2016-10-14T08:28:59-04:00

This looks more like homecoming than prom. Do we know that this guy is even in? He could've gotten the ACUs at a surplus store.

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Oct 14 at 2016 9:15 AM

2016-10-14T09:15:33-04:00

Don't be jealous that the kid has girlfriend. Probably thinking with the smaller head instead of the one under his PC.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 9:23 AM

2016-10-14T09:23:10-04:00

I'm more concerned about why you are asking this in a public forum rather than addressing it with your supervisor? Yes I know, this forum is here to help at times. However, it does not negate the fact that your immediate supervisor is there to assist and mentor you as part of his job.
I find this whole conversation idiotic, and think we have even more important issues we could waste time on rather than a soldier wearing ACUs to a high school function. No matter if I do think he looks idiotic, there's still not enough info to respond with certainty anyhow.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 9:48 AM

2016-10-14T09:48:09-04:00

They also wear uniforms like this for the JROTC programs in high school now

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 9:54 AM

2016-10-14T09:54:38-04:00

JROTC Does have ASU's but during a normal school day some JROTC programs have you wear ACU's one day a week and ASU's one day a week. But I cant recall if they wear the US Army or JROTC Velcro. And even most JROTC classes have some sort of patch to identify as a school or the JROTC patch itself. My opinion is he is most likely split ops and is finishing his Senior year. No Patch so he most likely graduated basic and hasn't been to AIT yet. Kid probably doesn't know what 670-1 is. No point in getting upset about this. He'll get to his unit and he will learn. And when he becomes permanent party his knowledge will grow.

Response by SPC Jennifer Bailey made Oct 14 at 2016 11:46 AM

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Very good chance this is actually just the prom or homecoming court at a pep rally, which would put him on duty for the picture. Note the two cheerleaders in uniform. This is not a formal anything really, which means he isn't actually in the wrong. The formal presentation of the court usually has the females dressed up in a way you can't deny it's formal. It does look they did some sort of dress to impress day.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 1:59 PM

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Perhaps everyone should refrain from braggadicious and inflammatory comments until all of the facts are in. Those aren't prom dresses I see on those girls, either. Looks more like a photo taken during the school day, and he appears more JROTC, than a member. No unit insignia? Well, then, he most likely hasn't seen training. Let the young man be proud of his current level of accomplishment, and if it's discovered he is wrong, then make a spot correction in private to avoid his embarrassment while bolstering his confidence in leadership.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 5:36 PM

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Or maybe this Joe enlisted under the alternate training program AKA "split Option", and he is actually really still a high schooler. And honestly why not question why this prom photo has in uniform cheerleaders...as a recruiter I would high five this joe and ask for a referal.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Oct 14 at 2016 6:38 PM

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I don't see a left shoulder patch, had he completed basic training yet? Was he in JROTC at the time maybe?

Response by Sgt Jenny Back made Oct 14 at 2016 6:53 PM

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By regulations you are at a function off base dress blues are usually worn,point it out privately do not embarrass him .

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 6:59 PM

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Its possible he was in jrotc and thats when he wore it

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 8:24 PM

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There isn't a legitimate excuse of I didn't know. If you have a doubt or if "someone said" it was cool don't let that be so reassuring. Do what is right. Look up the reg. Too easy.

Response by SGT Prentice Hill made Oct 15 at 2016 10:48 AM

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I would speak to him in private. I doubt he understands.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2016 10:53 AM

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Clearly a bad situation that you all are missing for some reason. These poor women are crying so much that the mascara ran down their faces.

Bad joke I'm tired...but seriously young soldiers don't comprehend the plethora of regulations. Pull that guy aside and let him know what's up. If he says to kick rocks then I suggest you choose your own adventure.

Response by MAJ Willette Balsamo made Oct 15 at 2016 11:17 AM

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Dress uniform is the correct gig here.

Response by PFC David Johnston made Oct 15 at 2016 11:24 AM

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Is it possible it was a JROTC uniform?

Response by PV2 Sharee Merrell made Oct 15 at 2016 12:12 PM

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Well seeing as the girls arent wearing formal gowns this isnt the dance! This is a picture of the people who got elected to court more than likely for the yearbook! Oh an also its not prom because im pretty sure the sash says homecoming on it!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2016 2:47 PM

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Just speak with him about this and find out what is going on instead of guessing. That way you can give correct information without looking like an ass. Then do what you feel is needed. i.e. counseling, verbal counseling or what not

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2016 4:52 PM

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He has no unit patch. It looks like a JROTC program uniform to me.

Response by PO2 Daniela Lembo made Oct 15 at 2016 9:00 PM

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This doesn't look like a prom to me, but more like homecoming so way less formal. I was in the Navy, but my husband is Army and we live on post in an Army town. I see soldiers in this uniform everywhere so this is not surprising.

Response by LCpl Patrick Lynch made Oct 15 at 2016 9:24 PM

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I would report him to the supervisors and have him up on charges according to the UCMJ

Response by SFC Ramon Arias made Oct 16 at 2016 12:07 AM

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As it was stated above, we are all just speculating. But I work in a high school and this is definitely home coming. The cheerleaders were awarded their sashes, because they and the boys were probably part of the homecoming court. That young soldier was around and decided to take the picture with the homecoming court. No big deal. I guess the person that wants to reprimand the young soldier never went to prom. Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms to prom.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 12:12 AM

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I think this poster is just trying to stir up unnecessary drama. How anone who has looked at this picture and believes it's prom is beyond me. It's been a good chunk of time since I've been in high school but my somewhat keen eye seems to detect cheerleader uniforms and not prom dresses. Soldier could very well be a Guard Soldier who is in RSP. Kid probably takes a lot of pride in wearing his uniform and is young and not knowledgeable of regs. Pull him to the side, explain, let it rest.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 6:06 AM

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There nothing really wrong with the picture besides him being at parade attention and the fact that he looks like the bootest of the boots at least he's accepting of it he'll learn one day. Haha love the motivation though

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 8:13 AM

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Good training opportunities. Teach him (and study for yourself as a leader) about what uniform is appropriate when. You might even get to cover when service vs dress uniform should be worn and what the difference is.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 8:19 AM

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Looks like a good training opportunity. Time to dig into the regulations and teach him (and yourself as well) about what uniform is appropriate when and where. You could talk about when service vs dress uniform should be worn. You could also discuss what the difference is in those two and why. He is a millennial so why will most likely be a queue will have. Military knowledge and leader skills are gained bit by bit when opportunity arises. I learn more from when I or my Soldiers made mistakes than when everything was perfect.

Response by PO2 Eric Weber made Oct 16 at 2016 8:58 AM

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Being a newbie and making a boneheaded mistake while trying to be cool back home is something that needs to be brought to his attention.

But laying the bonehead out on the internet for all to see (even though we don't know who this is) is still potentially humiliating for this soldier if he were to also be on RP. It doesn't require a meeting of the minds to remind him he was not only out of regs, but also a total douche. Be a good battle buddy and don't blow little things like this up.

Response by LTC Alan Murphy made Oct 16 at 2016 10:06 AM

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You have a transgender military, same sex marriage legal and the military is still playing silly games among-st yourself.........Your duties are much bigger to this country than this petty stuff........Your duty is to protect this country from enemies foreign and "DOMESTIC" ..........The enemy is right here in the government yet military leadership fails to protect us and due a "Soft "Coup" to bring America back under the Constitution and Rule Of Law........They have distracted you to these petty things from your real duty and obligation....PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE CONSTITUTION AND RULE OF LAW............Get off your asses wake up and do the job or get the hell out of the military......

Response by Cpl Greg Pino made Oct 16 at 2016 10:19 AM

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Guys stop being so nice all branches go thru extensive class room time on uniform regs and have for years. Jerk a knot in his ass for being so freaking stupid

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 10:29 AM

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I had a soldier that was already Married and went to prom their is nothing wrong with it. Kids can join at 17. Now as far as him wearing ACU's that's kinda half ass and it looks like a homecoming dance not prom.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 11:03 AM

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Honestly, I'd just mention it to him that doing that is not a good idea. I get it, he's proud of being in the army and that's not something we should beat out of him. Yet the army has rules about this sort of thing and as soldiers we all must follow them. So yeah, id probably just tell him to take the picture down and tell him not to do it again! That's all. No need to smoke him or tear him up over it.

Response by Dave McLeod made Oct 16 at 2016 11:13 AM

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Instead of Prom, could it have been Homecoming? Cheerleaders wouldn't wear uniforms to Prom.

Response by TSgt Julie Miller made Oct 16 at 2016 11:58 AM

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When I was in the Air Force, from 85-05, it was impressed upon us that a utility uniform is for work, not events such as this. He should have worn his dress uniform as he represents the branch of service he is in. Regardless of rank or branch respect for the uniform also equates respect for fellow servicemen and women, but also his country and branch of service.

I just don't understand the lack of discipline that seems to be infiltrating our military. Too many engage in entitlement attitudes and forget the motto service before self. It's time to crack down and get discipline and decorum back in action.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 12:20 PM

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He's new to the army, probably in the delayed entry program waiting to ship to his first duty assignment. Has no mentorship yet and figured he was representing the army by going in acu's. Good for him, he probably got further with his date than those all dressed up

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 12:36 PM

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He might be in the National Guard...

Response by SGT Benjamin Foster made Oct 16 at 2016 1:10 PM

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Reminds me of the time when I saw 2 Privates standing in line to get into a dance club in their BDUs I went over to them and told them the regulations and then asked what unit they were from and got their 1SG's and Captain's phone numbers. They quickly left at that point! Hahahahahaha!

Response by SSgt Nicholas Merchant made Oct 16 at 2016 2:11 PM

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So the person asking the question was in basic with this guy in the photo so its not rotc or jrotc. I hate the what if game or guessing or it could be crap, the question was how do you handle that sittuation when you have a violation of the ucmj. The answer is complex there are different uniform regs for ng and reserve compared to active duty, that said we know its a violation so as my srgnts would say its time for some retraining. This man is soldire at the core why the need to worry about kid gloves tell him he violated and why then make sure he wont forget it further actions taken the time. Uniform regs are in place for a reason its about discipline and character you wear dress uniform for formal occasions non military related or military related its not our job to question regs we follow regs details matter

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 2:45 PM

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I feel a knife hand coming in 3,2,1...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 4:50 PM

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Pull him aside and tell him. Don't go all "Regs lawyer" on him, just mention it to him and make sure he understands that you're telling him because you're WATCHING his back, not trying to stab him in it.
Same team.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 4:50 PM

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And standing At Ease/Attention

Response by MSgt Art Combs made Oct 16 at 2016 6:04 PM

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It's 2016, Bury him! Then when he climbs out of the hole that you put him in hit him again! Do you have a need to know? Are you in his chain of command? It appears harmless and like someone else said the ladies are in cheer outfits.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 8:57 PM

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Ok I guestion this picture. Prom really the girls are in cheerleading out fits.
This picture looks more like they were being honored for some school activity.
When I was I. Recruiting if there was a DEP or a JR that completed basic training we held an event with them at the actual school event. Maybe he was just asked to stand in. This picture is suspect

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 9:00 PM

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This dude is either a poser, or just finished Basic/AIT/OSUT/JROTC, and if he is active duty is on leave before reporting to his first duty station and possibly doing good HRAP, I say this because he only has name tapes, and Army tape on his uniform.. If he was active and already been in a unit he would have his unit patch on his left shoulder

Response by PO3 Edward Sutton made Oct 16 at 2016 9:11 PM

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Make fun of him for it. Seriously who wouldn't wear their dress uniform?

Response by SFC Frank Garza made Oct 16 at 2016 9:57 PM

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Really, who gives a shit, we all did dumb shit as a Soldier. Nothing worse than a leader that forgets where he or she comes from. Use it as a teachable moment and explain the procedures. Oh, and the young man looks young, so if he is 18, and she is seventeen...well in a few years she will be 20 and he will be 21. Leave the poor kid alone, teach, train and mentor. That's what NCO's use to do. I guess getting a college degree is more important than taking care of Soldiers.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2016 11:53 PM

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Check the date too, if he was in jrRotc he could be wearing the uniform for a reason.

Response by SFC Erich Orrick made Oct 17 at 2016 12:53 AM

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Was he working HRAP there? Why was he in uniform to begin with. Y'all don't know enough to just say he's breaking regulations. How about get enough information before being jail house lawyers lol. He could have been on duty in ACUs and his sister wanted a picture lol. Who knows. I'd be cool and make sure he knew it wasn't ok but surely not crucify him cause some NCO somewhere didn't do their job making sure troops knew right vs wrong.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 1:54 AM

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Yeah he's just a private and for some reason privates never want to take their ACUs off... All good don't stress it too much maybe just suggest he take it down

Response by LCDR Anthony Montague made Oct 17 at 2016 5:16 AM

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It boils down to "Do I have any reservations whether this is within the regs?". If you have even the SLIGHTEST feeling that it may be a violation... don't do it. Something like this can break a career. I was best man at a civilian wedding and wore my class A uniform. This is within regulations, but wearing ACUs when off duty to a school event? No, I don't think it is within regs. All of that being said, I would approach him discretely and "strongly suggest" that he remove the picture from his page to avoid having some "by the book" officer finding it and deciding to make an example. I believe that his heart was in the right place and there's no reason to harm his career over one relatively minor mistake. Good men/women are hard to come by, so give him the chance to prove his worth, but let him know that I will be watching, so he better shape up.

Response by SGT Brian Clark made Oct 17 at 2016 5:48 AM

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Did any of you ever stop to think about this possibly being an rotc member at this particular high school? No unit patch on the left shoulder.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Oct 17 at 2016 10:31 AM

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Now, that's something that makes every Marine just confused as hell. We never, NEVER do anything but go to work, go home from work, or at the very most, stop for gas or a drive thru bank to get money, in our Cammies. Its just not done... We always assumed that the Army had other rules, though since you see them everywhere.

Response by SrA Taylor Daniel made Oct 17 at 2016 10:44 AM

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If you take a closer look at this photo you will see that it is indeed not prom but what looks like a high school football homecoming do to the cheerleaders and homecoming king and queen.

Response by PO2 Terry Baars made Oct 17 at 2016 11:20 AM

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It's a dress situation he should be in dress uniform

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 11:46 AM

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Well the way I see it, your ask to go to battle and possibly die in that uniform. So wear it when you want to wear it you earned the right too

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 12:02 PM

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I got married at my BN conference room in ACU's and went to my Grandfather's funeral in ACU's because honestly I had no time at all to even change clothes or pack, for my marriage I had just drawn RFI after doing PT, had to pick up my wife and go to the courthouse for the document, then make contact with my family and race up the hill to BN. My first day at my unit my grandfather died and my 1SG expedited my emergency leave, so I had to get an AER loan, cash it, buy my plane ticket, and rush to the airport with nothing but the clothes on my back.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 12:42 PM

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How do you know that he wasn't home to surprise his family? Many pictures are all over Facebook of soldiers surprising their family members at Graduations, school programs, etc. With the way things are going in this country right now, maybe we need more of this. We need to show our soldiers as humans, not monster killers like they are so often are.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 1:24 PM

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Make him do little holes into big holes, and vise versa

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Oct 17 at 2016 2:12 PM

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Dunno, he has no markings of a soldier at all from the pic. I don't see a unit patch last name US Army tape, nothing. Could very well just be a redneck that bought some crap to go hunting in. If this was one of my soldiers getting his picture taken with a bunch of High School cheerleaders we would be having a long talk about his dating practices. Trolling local high school homecoming games is not acceptable.

Response by MSgt Chad Shuherk made Oct 17 at 2016 2:21 PM

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I think everyone that is upset is not looking close enough at this picture. My guess is that it's Homecoming not Prom. I also think this the the Homecoming Court and was taken at the game. The kid in ACUs is probably in JROTC and they normally wear the ACUs to the game and present the colors and do Push-ups after touch downs. This happens at both college and high school level. Calm down everyone unless we actually know the story behind the picture.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Stone made Oct 17 at 2016 3:33 PM

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Youth... I'm happy to see there are young men and women that still want to serve considering who our commander-in-chief is . I wouldn't get too upset over the small violation if it even is on by a 17-year-old private. It would of been better if you wore a dress uniform.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Oct 17 at 2016 4:04 PM

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Sp4 Byron Skinner…A rather tricky question. The fact that any military personal would wear there uniform off base is a tribute to the acceptance of the uniform has in a public setting. One is that seems odd is that all of the young ladies are wearing sashes and as noted two appear to be cheerleaders. It also appears that the person in back of the young lady on the left is also in a military uniform. This snapshot could very likely be from a civilian/military event that involved some kind of contest that these young ladies were in. There also appears to be some kind of award pinned on the soldier uniform. Since ribbons or medals are usually not presented but have been to soldiers in their fatigues…If this is what the Army has to worry about there are to many people in some support/service units.

Response by SPC Ryan Cote made Oct 17 at 2016 6:22 PM

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Where you guys are missing the big picture is if he is active duty and he at the highschool with a girl ( which if in highschool most likely under the age of 18) that's statutory rape in the military

Response by PO2 Tami Potirala made Oct 17 at 2016 8:01 PM

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Maybe no one specified which uniform to wear

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2016 9:27 PM

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Dress uniform would have been the best choice not ACU's my opinion

Response by CPL Charlie Brown made Oct 17 at 2016 10:00 PM

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I agree with SFC Damon M.

However, It doesn't really look like prom because the 2 girls are wearing cheerleading uniforms - looks more to be a homecoming- but idk - he should know, but should take the pic down

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 12:14 AM

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So, who is failing in this photo? It's certainly not the relatively newly enlisted kid in the photo, is it? So this kid is right out of highschool, as his sweetheart is still in...probably home on hometown recruiting, or something similar, but lets assume hes on leave or pass for the event. Did he tell or inform his leadership of the event beforehand and ask for guidance as to what to wear? No, of course not, because all of you guys here would do nothing more than clown him....including that comissioned officer down in the comments a bit, "dork", right? Maybe if soldiers were comfortable enough with their leadership to ask them simple advice about an area of their life that is important to them and not be worried that their leadership is going to "post this pic all over the unit", we wouldnt be having this discussion to begin with. Sire, dude is obviously wrong in his wardrobe choice, but who is really to blame? You guys routinely let me down in the shallowness of your observations. We might wear the stripes, but no way could it have been our fault, right?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 12:18 AM

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Desperate lol

Response by SSgt Mike Evans made Oct 18 at 2016 1:09 AM

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Could it also be a high school JROTC member.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 2:54 AM

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You're assuming an awful lot. I do have to ask. Why ruin good troops? Are you really contributing to the good order and discipline?

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 5:17 AM

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UA BURN 'em

Response by SGT Mark Patrick made Oct 18 at 2016 8:32 AM

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This is the picture of homecoming King and Queen candidates after the football game. You always see military members at sporting events in ACUs. Thers is nothing wrong with a weekend warrior still in high school pretending to be hard

Response by SSG Sean Chambers made Oct 18 at 2016 9:06 AM

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Using 'would have' instead of 'would of' would have been appropriate, also.

Response by SSG Sean Chambers made Oct 18 at 2016 9:06 AM

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Also, is he standing at Attention Rest?

Response by MSG David Mathis made Oct 18 at 2016 11:29 AM

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For the simple fact that there are no patches on his shoulder would possible imply to me that he is in JROTC.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 11:56 AM

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k. Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations: (1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian employment.
(2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except as authorized by the first O–5 in the chain of command.
(3) When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization. (4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army, as determined by the Commander.
(5) When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.
l. Soldiers will wear headgear with the Army uniform, except under the following circumstances:

So he may be a dork fish by doing so. But he didn't violate Ar 670-1

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 11:59 AM

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So let's turn a negative into a positive. He was so proud of that uniform that he wore it to his prom.

Response by SPC Bobbi Sale made Oct 18 at 2016 12:01 PM

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With out know the cercimstances I can't judge but I can say he's not in rotc they don't get acu they only get dress uniform and it looks like he fresh from ait or basic training he could be one that went to basic between joinur and senior year so he may not know the rules!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 12:40 PM

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I recommend telling the soldier that this is not appropriate and to remove the picture unless he wants to risk someone else seeing it and showing it to someone who will destroy his life over it (1SG). I would also like to recommend this soldier be re-trained on the proper position of attention as well as the position of parade rest. This could be a good 4 hour training or however long it takes to sink in. Perhaps some situational awareness training wouldn't hurt either. The three other males in this photo got it right. Please square your fellow guardians of freedom away.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 1:02 PM

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Part of the reason why I joined the military was the uniform. (Far behind serving my country, defending the constitution and the college fund) To miss an opportunity to stand proud in a real uniform..... sad.

Response by SPC Don Wynn made Oct 18 at 2016 3:20 PM

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Well, a couple of things. First, as you are E-4 and stating you went to basic with the subject, just how is he 'one of your Joes'? Unless things have changed, a SPC is not in a leadership role. CPL would be. And mentoring; do you mean you would mentor or go to COC and request/recommend counseling? If this is not the actual person and/or picture, just how approximate is it? Further, what were the circumstances - was he home on leave, temporary duty, etc? On the surface, as two of the ladies are wearing their cheer unis, I would assume homecoming rather than prom, which may not be a 'formal' event, in which case, the ACUs are ok. As to how you would mentor - depends on your background with him and his background. If he is a 'problem' troop and has several issues already, a formal counseling session could be called for. If he is not and just did a dumbass thing, "Yo dude, at formal events you need to be in Class As" and before anyone gets in trouble, take down the photo.

Response by A1C Leland Kowal made Oct 18 at 2016 4:08 PM

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I disagree with a lot of you, at worst it was intentional disobedience and at best it was active negligence. While SFC Damon is right, that they don't teach these things in basic training everyone knows

1) wearing fatigues off base is inappropriate

2) there is a code of uniform conduct for every occasion, anyone who cared about the rules and respecting the uniform would have taken the time to find out what the regulation was, because EVERYONE knows that "I didn't know it was against the rules" doesn't fly

I'm not saying throw him to the wolves, but neither would I let this go entirely if it were my position to be responsible for his discipline

Response by Sgt David Hutchinson made Oct 18 at 2016 4:58 PM

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1st. Many of us Jarheads don't understand why in the heck you other services insist on wearing your cammies, bdu's,fatigues, whatever, out in town. Us Jarheads are accustomed to getting chewed out if we are in the gas station getting gas too long. The fact that it's somehow ingrained that they can wear their utility uniform is why that young man wore them to a formal event.

If you set the expectations of when and where it's appropriate to wear your utility uniform and you play like the Jarheads do and call the juniors out on it when they screw up these problems become fewer and far between....... and my kids stop asking me why those people are wearing their cammies at a restaurant..... my kids even say that's unsat!

Response by SGT Richard Casini made Oct 18 at 2016 6:25 PM

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Seems as though he is definitely wet behind the ears and just needs to be told regs.

Response by Sgt Jerome Stanislaus made Oct 18 at 2016 6:31 PM

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Loser

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2016 7:44 PM

2016-10-18T19:44:57-04:00

Pull him to the side and let him know he did wrong and and let him know why he did wrong discuss punishment if it happens again

Response by SGT Johnny Owens made Oct 18 at 2016 7:47 PM

2016-10-18T19:47:56-04:00

When I was a young soldier, my NCOIC always informed me of my behavior, typically followed by advice. As an NCO, I found myself using his methods.

Response by SPC Christopher Vandermark made Oct 18 at 2016 11:36 PM

2016-10-18T23:36:04-04:00

Standing at half attention and half parade rest looks pretty dumb no matter what. I imagine he could be ROTC because he has no patches but the flower pinned to the chest is still a big no-no. Either a jacked up ROTC or jacked up wanna-be...

Response by LTC David Olwell made Oct 19 at 2016 12:40 AM

2016-10-19T00:40:24-04:00

Umm. The ribbons on the girls say Homecoming Court. How did you get Prom from that?

Response by SSG Brian G. made Oct 19 at 2016 1:34 AM

2016-10-19T01:34:37-04:00

One, this could be anything. The backdrop appears that it could at a school. Two, the OP mentions they saw this on a FB feed. The edit clarifies it a bit but does not specify. Three, the lack of patches and insignia on the uniform speaks to the fact that this troop might have JUST been in JROTC and likely signed papers to join up. Notice the stance he has with feet together but hands behind his back. No DI worth his salt would let a troop escape D&C class doing that without dropping them on the spot for at least 50. This reads like the troop had not been to basic yet and was simply in school as JROTC. That they got done with the days work and were asked for a photo Op. Note that some are dressed up and some not.

Response by SPC Jordan Sutich made Oct 19 at 2016 1:55 AM

2016-10-19T01:55:51-04:00

Drop and give me 50. Now dirtball!

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Oct 19 at 2016 4:04 AM

2016-10-19T04:04:37-04:00

If his girlfriend/escort didn't rip him up one side and down the other for not dressing more sharply for her, he is a lucky young man indeed.

Response by 1SG Ken Gillespie made Oct 19 at 2016 5:49 AM

2016-10-19T05:49:53-04:00

Don't go near Waynesville High school during PTA meetings or sports events or you will find a lot higher ranking personnel in ACU's from Fort Leonard Wood.

Response by SPC Jeremy Spaulding made Oct 19 at 2016 7:36 AM

2016-10-19T07:36:37-04:00

Hands at parade rest, feet at attention....I lean towards jrotc as well....

Response by SrA Charles Walters made Oct 19 at 2016 7:44 AM

2016-10-19T07:44:11-04:00

There are two things here. The first thing this is not prom. The cheerleading outfits. Secondly, how do we not know this individual was not helping his recruiter at his old high school. His girlfriend may have made something as part of the prom amd asked him to be part of the picture. There is not enough information to make a sound call.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2016 8:13 AM

2016-10-19T08:13:19-04:00

It just looks like a homecoming court photo. Unless he specifically said prom, I would assume it wasn't.

Response by Taryn Nicole Perkins made Oct 19 at 2016 10:20 AM

2016-10-19T10:20:03-04:00

I believe this is a presentation of the homecoming court during school on a game day. At my high school everyone involved in a football game could wear their uniform. For example, football players wearing their jerseys; cheerleaders in their uniforms; band members in their band shirts; and ROTC members wearing their uniforms.

Response by LTC David Zimmerman made Oct 19 at 2016 10:53 AM

2016-10-19T10:53:11-04:00

First, since the faces are blurred, I don't know which one he is but I would say If he is the first or fourth person in front row then he is completely out of uniform and grooming. standards. He needs a haircut, those dresses are especially are way too short, and where the hell are his Pom-poms. Both individuals lack the standard amount of hair bows and their footwear is definitely lacking enough Kaboom accessories for a cheerleading event. It is appropriate in this photo opportunity to assume a super cheer position like a single leg Krakow with a high V arm pump or a twisty rumper bumper with a Gindy Up to show your spirit. He should be counseled that wearing that cheerleadering uniform ended sometime in the 90s and if those are wigs, he should be shown the Regs stating that Wigs, if worn in public, can not look like you borrowed it from your grandma. Finally, as Cheerleading is so close to being an Olympic Sport, he must counseled that any deviation from Uniform Code of Cheerleading Regulations could result in punishment such as but not limited to Burning his Pom-poms, stripping him of his cheer buttons, or expulsion by the walk of Cheer Shame. He should remember the Cheerleading Sacred Motto; "To Cheer or not to Cheer, WHAT a Stupid Question!.

Response by PO1 Kenneth Smith made Oct 19 at 2016 11:06 AM

2016-10-19T11:06:58-04:00

ACUs were not the appropriate dress for this function.

Response by SPC Jeremy Gore made Oct 19 at 2016 1:37 PM

2016-10-19T13:37:51-04:00

I see this all the time. Guys get back from basic and show up in church or other places in their BDUs or whatever they are called now. Whatever we've all been there. He's a proud kid fresh out of basic and wants to show off to all his HS buddies and GF. Maybe tell him he's a dousche bag, but other then that leave him alone. God only knows where you showed up after AIT in your uniform to obtain some undeserved attention. Don't be that prick NCO that nit picks the hell out of his guys.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2016 2:35 PM

2016-10-19T14:35:53-04:00

They are in cheerleader outfits.. How formal could it be? If a pvt did this, its obvious either he just didnt know or he is prob like 90% of pvts and have no other clothes..... Lmao..

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2016 5:32 PM

2016-10-19T17:32:00-04:00

In this situation, as many SFC's have said, it's definitely best to talk to the soldier in private. I'll put myself in his shoes cause I'm still pretty new too. I'd definitely like someone to show me the correct way, if I messed up, rather than to be reprimanded for something that could've been fixed with a simple private conversation

Response by SP5 Joe Champley made Oct 20 at 2016 7:19 AM

2016-10-20T07:19:40-04:00

In the early 70's a soldier was not allowed off post wearing what was then called fatigues. Only exception was going to/from off base housing with no stops in between. The rules were slightly relaxed when going off post for lunch at fast food places.

Response by Geri Jo made Oct 21 at 2016 11:06 AM

2016-10-21T11:06:09-04:00

This looks like it came from the high school's nomination assembly. If he was a member of ROTC he would have been required to wear his uniform to school on days that he had ROTC. It may have simply been coincidence that the two events fell on the same day.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2016 7:43 PM

2016-10-21T19:43:22-04:00

I was in Army JROTC before entering the Air Force and we always wore ACUs for everything. This looks like a homecoming court at a football game where said JROTC cadet was probably on detail and was required to be in ACUs. When it came down to formal dances we followed the schools dress code for the event. The only exception was the military ball we had every year.
Also while all active duty members must follow the required uniform regulations that is not the case for high school students in JROTC. So honestly, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with this picture. Just a dude in high school walking his girl for the homecoming court.

Also notice he has no patches, etc. on his uniform and due to positioning you can't tell if he has JROTC rank on or not. I could be completely wrong but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2016 11:46 AM

2016-10-22T11:46:58-04:00

I replied below but from the perspective of the offense being him posting the picture on Facebook. Some did the same but others responded to physically watching it. I don't know Army regs and see Guardsmen and Army Reserves in utilities fairly often in town. I don't know all the various names for BDU's as we simply called them cammies. All others are dress uniforms which for most part are ok in town with some exceptions regarding medals etc. Unless regs have changed since I retired in 98 cammies are not allowed out in town at all. There were with minor exceptions such as going through a drive through window or maybe a quick in/out at convenience store. It would be a whole different animal for this scenario in USMC. Folks definitely know better and it would be dealt with a lot differently. Before I retired there were often stories of senior Marines ripping ear rings out of Marines ears in malls while in civilian attire and so forth because they are not authorized. Not condoning that but just saying that it would never be considered as even marginally acceptable in USMC. Not slamming Army at all, just noting differences in policy. Best Wishes to all.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Jan 10 at 2017 7:34 AM

2017-01-10T07:34:14-05:00

My soldiers knew the proper time and place for uniform wear. It would not have been mine. Now on the Other hand, one disobeyed and was stupid enough to post pictures I would question my leadership and his mentality in a private discussion with his 1st line leader and him and figure out what is going on in order to determine how to prevent future occurrences. But remember we do not know the whole story from just a picture. It could have been a father stopping to pick his child up from school and her and her friends wanted a picture. Do not always assume the worst.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2017 11:49 AM

2017-01-10T11:49:23-05:00

I'd tell him, next time, wear ASUs, then let it go.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Feb 10 at 2017 1:02 AM

2017-02-10T01:02:32-05:00

Your serious. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines are on TV in their kids classroom returning from deployment what's the difference. Find thing more contructive todo with your time.................

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Jun 7 at 2017 10:10 AM

2017-06-07T10:10:05-04:00

I am a military historian afflicted with a Cavalry smart mouth so I have met some very interesting characters over the years one was Ian V. Hogg (1926 – 7 March 2002) who was a real piece enlisted in the Royal Artillery of the British Army in April 1945. During World War II he served in Europe and in eastern Asia. After the war he remained in the military. In the early 1950s, he served in the Korean War. Altogether he served in the military for 27 years. Upon retiring in 1972, he held the appointment of Master Gunner at the Royal Military College of Science, where he taught on the subjects of firearms, artillery, and their ammunition and use. Hogg has been described by publishing people who worked with him as "an unassuming man, with a gift to pass on his knowledge at any level, and often with a dry humor" That comment about “dry humor” is typical British understatement Master Gunner Hogg told a story which to this day I do not if it was true or made up out of whole cloth but it brought down the house with laughter. It went like this “During the Second World War a subtenant of the Royal Horse Artillery was seen chasing a beautiful nude young lady through the hallways of Shepard’s Hotel in Cairo and he was in the same condition he was charged with “conduct unbecoming a gentleman holding the King’s commission”. During the courts martial the learned young barrister who was the council for the defense pointed that King’s Regulations stated that when not in uniform members of the service should be properly attired for the activates they were participating in. The courts martial agreed and he was acquitted.

Response by TSgt Jye English made Aug 2 at 2017 1:42 PM

2017-08-02T13:42:20-04:00

That looks like Homecoming pep assembly, prior to the evening of the dance. Clearly it's not a formal occasion, as no cheerleader would attend a dance/formal in their uniform. Cheerleaders in cheer uniforms, a JROTC cadet in uniform, and the rest of the Homecoming court. They probably just found out who was selected for Homecoming Royalty, and took the picture during school. The other three males could be football team members, and were all dressed up (as most teams require) prior to the game.

Response by SGT Jody Beach made Aug 2 at 2017 1:50 PM

2017-08-02T13:50:13-04:00

4–3. Occasions for wear
a. All-purpose wear. Some versions of the combat uniform are not intended for wear as an all-purpose uniform. The
combat uniform is designed to be worn under body armor.
b. Approved wear. The combat uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise directed
by the commander. Soldiers may wear the combat uniform off-post, unless prohibited by the commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.
(1) Soldiers may not wear the combat uniform for commercial travel unless authorized IAW paragraph 3–7b through
c, above.
(2) Personnel may not wear the combat uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the off-post
establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear the combat uniform if their activities in the establishment
center on the drinking of alcohol.
(3) The combat uniform is not normally considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation,
such as memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.
(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the combat uniform IAW paragraph 2–6c

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall ) Foster made Aug 2 at 2017 6:52 PM

2017-08-02T18:52:05-04:00

Before saying ANYTHING_have the facts, because if YOU are wrong-you're butt is in a sling and a young ladies reputation IS damaged!!! What if it's his sister,cousin? Could be a girlfriend, but remember-HAVE FACTS BEFORE ACTING!

Response by PFC Bradley Campbell made Aug 3 at 2017 12:53 AM

2017-08-03T00:53:13-04:00

i saw a soldier at our local mall with aviator sunglasses and white gloves in a class A uniform. he was trolling for girls. what a loser.