If you were ordered to remove Obama from office by the military, would you?

Capt Jeff S. — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:05:19 -0500

Am not advocating a military coup so don't shoot the messenger. That said, our government is clearly not listening to the people that elected it, and we have a Constitutional crisis on our hands. The Federal Gov't is trying to import people it can't screen which puts Americans at risk. The Governors of at least 30 States are rejecting the refugees this Administration is trying to bring in against the popular will of the people. We have seen what is going on in Europe and retired Generals are starting to talk about removing our Commander in Chief. Do you agree with them?

NOTE: This is directed at V, R, and C, and SM are advised to NOT COMMENT on this discussion.

http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2015/u-s-military-generals-constitutional-crisis-could-force-military-to-remove-obama.html

U.S. Military Generals: Constitutional Crisis Could Force Military to Remove Obama

From RFN: In a interview with Trunews, Retired U.S. Air Force Lt. General Thomas McInerney and Retired U.S. Army General Paul Vallely spoke about the possibility of a Constitutional Crisis that may…

Response by CSM David Heidke made Nov 19 at 2015 9:07 AM

CSM David Heidke — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:07:09 -0500

nope... That's congress' job.

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Nov 19 at 2015 9:16 AM

LTC Yinon Weiss — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:16:41 -0500

This is a very misleading question. I listened to the clip and the only thing the General said was that Congress should consider a no-confidence vote or impeachment. That would not be a Constitutional Crises, it would actually be the Constitition working as it's supposed to. Also, no General discussed the military removing the President. I think you could do a better job framing your very biased and misleading question.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2015 9:22 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:22:16 -0500

When congress impeach him and he actually "VETO" it. lol and then Congress ask us to do it. Then YES.

I really don't see how that can happen. Unless he got some kind of military force to "keep" him in pace.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2015 9:30 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:30:01 -0500

We only have a constitutional crisis if you listen to the blow-hards on the extreme right.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2015 9:36 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:36:20 -0500

There is no Constitutional crisis, at least not on this subject. Immigration is a federal, not state issue, and is pretty clearly defined as such in established precedent.
The Constitution also clearly defines the process through which a President, through "high crimes and misdemeanors" may be removed from office. Any other method of doing so is not Constitutional and I would take up arms to support and defend it, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
It is the only right answer.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Nov 19 at 2015 10:19 AM

CPT Jack Durish — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:19:26 -0500

The choices are incomplete. How about, Yes, I'd love to see Obama removed from office but not by a coup. How about using lawful means. Sadly, We the People missed our chance, twice. We elected then reelected him. Although he isn't guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors which would qualify him for impeachment, I think a case could be made for mental illness or defect. Sadly, this is all academic. The damage is now done and he will be removed by virtue of the natural expiration of his term before anything could be done. Hopefully, We the People have learned our lesson and will exercise better judgment in future elections (although watching the popularity of Hillary and Donald, I doubt it)

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Nov 19 at 2015 10:32 AM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:32:47 -0500

No. Congress and the Senate would need to impeach and convict him to remove him. It is not in the military's purview to remove POTUS.

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Nov 19 at 2015 10:41 AM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:41:59 -0500

I think that everyone knows, especially on this site, that is not going to happen. POTUS will ride out his Term, piss people off with all of his ideas and thoughts of how he wants things in the US to be and then we will start all over again with whomever gets elected. It's a Catch 22 situation and we are stuck with him until the end of his Elected Term. And may I add, he is stuck with us too. It's just the way it is!

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Nov 19 at 2015 10:44 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:44:54 -0500

Reminds me of a movie I vaguely remember that was made in the late 80s or 90s about the military removing the POTUS, based on some obscure language purported to be within the Constitution that would allow for such an event under certain conditions. Not that I know that such language in the Constitution actually exists or was just dreamed up by the script writers. Sound familiar to anyone?

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Nov 19 at 2015 10:51 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:51:12 -0500

We are not a banana republic.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Nov 19 at 2015 11:19 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:19:43 -0500

There are means of removing a sitting President noted in the Constitution. That is the governing law in this instance. If the Congress hasn't acted by now, there is little that can be done in the remaining term except limiting funding for his agenda. Is there anyone naïve enough to think that will happen.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Nov 19 at 2015 11:57 AM

SSG Audwin Scott — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:57:20 -0500

His term is about up and we really want to impeach the guy for poor decisions that we the People deem as poor and bad decisions? I normally don't get into politics because clearly I am not a politician. When I was in the Army and was over in Iraq not once but 3 times under both Bush President's I didn't agree with them either having us over in Iraq but guess what as my commander in chief I followed the orders of our President and drove on!

Response by MSgt Daniel Attilio made Nov 19 at 2015 12:09 PM

MSgt Daniel Attilio — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:09:43 -0500

There is much rhetoric about what the "American people want" but data from the 2012 shows only about 57% of the eligible population voted, nearly 100 million did not cast a vote. I can make statements on my actions but there is no way I can speak for the "people" as too many prove preference to whining over getting off their butts and contributing to the course of this nation. Of course their lack of participation is also contributing to the course.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Nov 19 at 2015 12:23 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:23:25 -0500

The question is valid. The options you give in choices are not. Why do people feel the need to ideologically pack the responses so that all respondents must pigeon hole themselves into a pre-defined ideological box?

Anyway, no, I would not. It would not be a lawful order by any stretch of the imagination.

Response by 1SG Adais Garcia made Nov 19 at 2015 12:28 PM

1SG Adais Garcia — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:28:58 -0500

I concur with you CPT Schwager It is time for President Obama to step down Now would I remove him if that Order would have to come from someone higher than Commander in Chief and my guess is that would be Congress Now would I do it Hell yea if I had the SUPPORT behind me . It is TIME to be constitutional . YOU know I heard President Obama talk about taking care of people in a Compassionate way I am freaking tired of talking I need you all to LISTEN and support me in this How the heck is President Obama taking time to care for other people in a Compassionate way But neither him or Freaking Congress have taken the time to take care of my Brothers and sisters in Arms Yes it's time to Remove him PERIOD.

Response by SGT Dana Williams made Nov 19 at 2015 3:59 PM

SGT Dana Williams — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:59:35 -0500

I would greatly regret any military coup in my country. If sufficient grounds exist for removal of a sitting President, it is incumbent on the Congress to initiate such process ... predicated that we have a functioning Congress.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Nov 19 at 2015 6:40 PM

PO1 John Miller — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:40:29 -0500

Like it or not, Barry is our lawfully elected President. Now if he were legally impeached, remove him from office but DO NOT use the military to do so.

Response by SSG Robert Spina made Nov 19 at 2015 7:51 PM

SSG Robert Spina — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:51:07 -0500

IF IT WERE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE YES I WOULD ASSIST HE CLEARLY DOES NOT REPRESENT THE PEOPLES INTEREST AND ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS MUSLIMS LETTING THESE SO CALLED REFUGEES INTO THIS COUNTRY DEFIES LOGICAL THINK AND NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM IT

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Nov 19 at 2015 8:57 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:57:11 -0500

Trolling happens... this post is trolling, its to preach to the choir. I notice there isn't one voting option for "he's doing good, leave him alone." everyone is about empeachment or over throw.

Response by CMSgt Dennis Heath made Nov 19 at 2015 11:44 PM

CMSgt Dennis Heath — Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:44:36 -0500

I remember being on duty when Turkey experienced a military takeover in 1980. As a very young airman, I remember the surprise and shock I felt, and thought such a thing would never happen in my country. To even propose the scenario smacks of insurrection. While I may have strong disagreement with the behavior of the man, our system for dealing with trouble in the office of POTUS must be trusted. This is what sets us apart from the rest of the world.

Response by COL Jeff Williams made Nov 20 at 2015 3:44 AM

COL Jeff Williams — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:44:54 -0500

I assume I am the Chief of Staff in this scenario, who is giving me this order?

Response by SGT William Howell made Nov 20 at 2015 6:53 AM

SGT William Howell — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 06:53:06 -0500

I tried to remove him from office 2 years ago. Just couldn't get enough dead relatives to vote him out.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 11:26 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:26:27 -0500

Hell no! He's doing a good job and THERE IS NO PROOF he committed treason, our Military can't remove him.

Response by MAJ Karl Stumpff made Nov 20 at 2015 11:34 AM

MAJ Karl Stumpff — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:34:37 -0500

The military is not the Praetorian Guard, we are not Rome and POTUS is not Caesar. There is no Constitutional crisis, at least not on this subject. Immigration is a federal, not state issue, and is pretty clearly defined as such in established precedent.
The Constitution also clearly defines the process through which a President, through "high crimes and misdemeanors" may be removed from office. Any other method of doing so is not Constitutional and I would take up arms to support and defend it, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Response by LTC Mark Maitag made Nov 20 at 2015 11:35 AM

LTC Mark Maitag — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:35:17 -0500

Congress' job through Articles of Impeachment. Anything else would be unlawful.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 12:14 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:14:54 -0500

I agree the choices are invalid: if Congress votes to impeach AND remove from office, then there would be a valid case for the military to intervene if he refuses to vacate. However, barring this, he is the CINC and we must follow all LEGAL and Constitutional orders, like him or not.

Response by SGT Shawn Volkmann made Nov 20 at 2015 12:35 PM

SGT Shawn Volkmann — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:35:35 -0500

I think I would without a doubt. I feel he has committed treason, but that's just my opinion.

Response by SSG John Mitchell made Nov 20 at 2015 12:56 PM

SSG John Mitchell — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:56:03 -0500

To broad of a question and too close to him being forced out anyway.

Response by SSG Samuel Sohm made Nov 20 at 2015 12:59 PM

SSG Samuel Sohm — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:59:35 -0500

Not that I like the president or his policies, but I would actively resist (to the point of armed force if I were confronted with it) the removal of the president by any other means than the legal one. Salute the rank, not the man...

Response by SPC Edward Mingus made Nov 20 at 2015 1:08 PM

SPC Edward Mingus — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:08:46 -0500

It does not surprise me that many in the military and formerly in the military think that Barry has committed treason, etc.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 1:17 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:17:58 -0500

40% are agreeing that Obama helped Muslim "operatives" infiltrate our government. The death of this country comes from people who believe this sort of thing.

Response by SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD made Nov 20 at 2015 2:44 PM

SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:44:01 -0500

I'd advise not participating in this thread.

Response by PO1 Richard Knox made Nov 20 at 2015 2:52 PM

PO1 Richard Knox — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:52:11 -0500

Capt Jeff Schwager, MAJ Yinon Weiss and SGT Jay Ehrenfeld - Mr. Obama certainly has a limited view on how to govern, and unfortunately it is not for our Country's best I'm afraid. As a lawyer, Mr. Obama seems to have been able to skirt the laws to invoke his own will and wishes to "fundamentally change" (as he claimed prior to his election) the fabric of our great Nation. It is sad to see so many Americans misled by the treasonous behavior and beliefs of one influential man. This must be exactly how some of the Germans felt as they watched Hitler's ascend to Overlord. The good news is, we're better than this (him). We'll rise above his deeds and damage and rebuild on the strong building blocks called our Constitution, Bill of Rights and no less our Declaration of Independence. These were laid as our foundation which was bought and paid for with the blood, love and lives of all those brave Americans who came before us and those whom we had the privilege to serve with, ourselves included. This is not the first attack we have faced and it's certain to not be our last. What we are witnessing in Mr. Obama is the truth found in how easy it is to give something away that you nor your family have any equity (blood, sweat, love or loss) in. And as long as we are able to stand United, we will continue to STAND!
This link will remind you that Candidate Obama told us all of his intent from the very beginning. Do you remember the warning he gave us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4

Obama: "Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America" Long Version

Here is what Candidate Obama wanted for our country when he was running for President of the United States of America. He said that "we are five days away fr...

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Nov 20 at 2015 3:02 PM

SSG Todd Halverson — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:02:33 -0500

This will never happen in a truly free democracy. If the Military were to take those actions, those involved could be subject to punishment for treason. We will never have a military coup in the US.

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Nov 20 at 2015 3:03 PM

SGT Mark Sullivan — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:03:56 -0500

Very touchy subject. Do I feel that he is unfit? Yes, I certainly do. His trade and education deals are reprehensible. His inability to lead in the face of an international problem, h's lack of standing behind and selling out of our allies. He's made a laughing stock of the office of President. I think a vote of no confidence should be given before considering removal

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Nov 20 at 2015 3:04 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:04:25 -0500

Somebody pissed in his Wheaties... I thought there was a limitation on 3 downvotes per hour.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Nov 20 at 2015 3:14 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:14:51 -0500

From a hypothetical standpoint.
...if I was still active duty
...if congress started proceedings to impeach and were able to complete them before his term ended naturally.
...if he was convicted
...if the punitive phase removed him from office (twice presidents have been impeached and neither time were they evicted from office).
...if he refused to leave office even though the law had evicted him.
...if law enforcement was unable to remove him from office.

Then yes, I would die or kill to defend the constitution of the United States and the rule of law... I've already take an oath to.

Response by 1SG Jeffery Bertram made Nov 20 at 2015 3:53 PM

1SG Jeffery Bertram — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:53:41 -0500

Yes I would. I took an oath to support and defend the constitution.

Response by PO3 Michael Cardinale made Nov 20 at 2015 4:55 PM

PO3 Michael Cardinale — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:55:18 -0500

I am abstaining from this vote. The constitution has not been violated. I would also like to add that refugees currently are going through an 18-24 month vetting process. I would think that keeping our country safe is and has been POTUS's priority. I think it's shameful and not part of America's values to turn away people seeking asylum. These people are currently going through a process of background checks to assure that they are not threats to our safety.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 6:01 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 18:01:08 -0500

Ok look this has to be the dumbest idea. One, the military is not here to act upon such an order no matter who gives it. Two, why would you want him gone? Do you think it would actually make it better or would it create our own vacuum with the loss of power at the top? Do you not realize the chaos, if that happened with everything that is going on, it would create ALL over the world? Lastly, you are not sitting in his chair behind his desk in his office? Do you think, with your current knowledge, that you could sit in his place & know exactly what to do? I don't really particularly care for this current president but it is important to remain objective!!!!!

Response by PV2 Travis Snyder made Nov 20 at 2015 6:49 PM

PV2 Travis Snyder — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 18:49:09 -0500

Yes

Response by LCpl James Briones made Nov 20 at 2015 6:55 PM

LCpl James Briones — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 18:55:09 -0500

The Militaries sworn to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. Despite my serious dislike for the guy, his inability to lead or even do his job is disturbing, spends more time golfing then doing his job, hell the economy is doing sooooo poor under him Mexican Immigrants with american born children ARE LEAVING the USA, Wonderful job Mr.Obama hell i think if you had read Sun Tzu you might understand how to lead even form strategies when it comes to war. But despite that its not the militaries job to remove POTUS no matter how inept, moronic and over confident in his own abilities he may be

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Nov 20 at 2015 8:12 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:12:50 -0500

Capt Jeff S. As my oath requires I would defend the POTUS and constitution whether I personally liked or agreed with him. My duty and my honor come first.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Nov 20 at 2015 8:17 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:17:20 -0500

Capt Jeff S. these generals who are advocating this should be recalled to AD and court martialed

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 9:57 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:57:10 -0500

if i was ordered to i would have to remove Obama it is not right to leave 33K Vetrains out on the streets to take in 10K refuges. It just is not right and what would happenn if Terrorists act like a refuge and then infiltrate are nation because of this move that obama is makeing. The people are saying no to protect there selfs. If this does happen then we might have a war on are front steps its not right. Obama needs to think of this outcome.

Response by Cpl Tou Lee Yang made Nov 20 at 2015 10:19 PM

Cpl Tou Lee Yang — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:19:25 -0500

What high crime and treason has the Obama's Administration done? I keep hearing about impeachment, but nothing of substance as to why he should be impeach. A coup will never and can never occur in the U.S. simply because there is too many federal agency creating check and balance. Please entertain us with some conspiracy theories.

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Nov 20 at 2015 10:31 PM

SPC George Rudenko — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:31:04 -0500

Its a good point of discussion, but why just Obama? House and Senate are more at fault in my view. They do nothing except wait to point a finger if someone screws up

Response by LCpl Dale Blackmon made Nov 20 at 2015 10:50 PM

LCpl Dale Blackmon — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:50:18 -0500

I would like to read the article above but, it says "page not found" when I try to access it. Where is the source link?

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Nov 20 at 2015 11:54 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 23:54:50 -0500

This is kind of crazy...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 2:20 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 02:20:52 -0500

After they've proven all of the accusations which should've already been done and impeached him, sign me up! I'd love to put hands on him and tote him to jail. Of course, after he's been found guilty of treason. We wouldn't let that happen to the anointed one though. He's special!

Response by SGT Robert Moultrie made Nov 21 at 2015 3:05 AM

SGT Robert Moultrie — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 03:05:08 -0500

I still believe in this oath! And I believe he (Obama) is an domestic enemy.

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 3:55 AM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 03:55:19 -0500

Would love to, but not until an impeachment or constitutional convention vote on it. I think most people have forgotten about the constitutional convention portion of the Constitution

Response by Cpl Toby Dodd made Nov 21 at 2015 6:45 AM

Cpl Toby Dodd — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 06:45:01 -0500

in a heartbeat

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Nov 21 at 2015 3:27 PM

SFC Joseph Weber — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 15:27:55 -0500

The VA should be ashamed about its inability to provide adequate mental health care.

Response by PV2 Shawn Wolff made Nov 21 at 2015 4:57 PM

PV2 Shawn Wolff — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 16:57:12 -0500

I would prefer that Congress places the order for our Military to do so but, Either way, Enough is enough.

Response by SFC Melker Johansson made Nov 21 at 2015 5:06 PM

SFC Melker Johansson — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:06:55 -0500

No, I wouldn't commit treason by participating in an unlawful and immoral military coup. It's rather depressing to see that so many members of this forum has failed The U.S. Constitution 101 course.

Response by SCPO Joshua I made Nov 21 at 2015 6:04 PM

SCPO Joshua I — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 18:04:29 -0500

Removing the lawfully elected government by force?

Show me where that is in the Constitution.

Response by MAJ Matthew Aiken made Nov 21 at 2015 8:34 PM

MAJ Matthew Aiken — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:34:46 -0500

This is a horrible question and the so-called "leaders" that posted this question are only creating a vehicle for those with very personal feelings and opinions about the President to openly vent with impunity. This very thread is treasonous and we should all be mindful of the oaths taken to serve. It is not our position to "apply" our oath in a manner we see fit; it is the very reason why we do not have freedom of speech or the right to privacy (4th amendment) while serving. The military is NOT a political machine; it is a fighting machine. It is designed to win America's wars and NOT to wage against our own state. We took our oath freely and without reservations or evasion of prosecution. We must obey the Office of the Presidency and the Constitution. Stop trying to question the integrity of the President and do your duty honorably!

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Nov 21 at 2015 9:05 PM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 21:05:53 -0500

I don not know the regulations for who would remove a sitting president after a valid impeachment process. If it is the duty of a member of the military to do so to carry out as so ordered by Congress and the Constitution , of course I would. All a matter of if that is a valid order per US Law. I would guess that removal would actually be by the bailiff of the Senate, but my memory is gone about the impeachment process.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2015 9:31 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 09:31:23 -0500

negative

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Nov 22 at 2015 12:32 PM

Maj Mike Sciales — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:32:16 -0500

Wow, bad survey. All of them start with a really, really bad assumption.

Here's my view. You raise your hand and swear alliance to the Executive office. You should re-read the part that says " I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed ..." I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Legally, the answer to your question is the Senate Sergeant at Arms is the only person authorized to arrest a President and if that happens, we are much worse off than your fringe hypothetical.

This sounds like the plot line from "Seven Days in May" when a power crazy USAF Chairman of the JCS (played by Burt Lancaster) tried a coup, but is blocked by a very determined (aren't they all?) Marine Colonel (played by Kirk Douglas).

Hypos are fine, but fringe ones like this, general officers who forget exactly what their role is, are not good for a democracy. Just look at sub-Saharan Africa.

Bottom line -- there isn't a single circumstance where any member of the US Military will ever be called upon to do such a thing and I for one would shoot the first military person who tried such a thing under any situation. My loyalty is to the Office of the President and not the holder.

You only have to suffer two more years of an improving economy and no ground wars for us, then it can go back to massive debt, wounded vets filling an unresponsive VA while our legislators look for ways to cut VA benefits.

Your call.

Response by PO1 Norm Burns made Nov 26 at 2015 11:37 AM

PO1 Norm Burns — Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:37:47 -0500

I am no longer active, but never recanted my oath. That being said, the ONLY way I could support that (as badly as I abhor what he has done, and continues to do), would be if he was impeached. In my mind, at that point, any and all orders from him would be unlawful, and his removal from office would be just and valid.

Response by Frank Bianchi made Nov 26 at 2015 11:49 AM

Frank Bianchi — Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:49:47 -0500

I Would Do It With or Without Fellow Military Help. Personally I find Obama to be the biggest hoax and fraud ever to be released on mankind. Not only is he a complete disgrace to the USA but he is a complete disgrace to the whole world.

Response by SFC Ken James Carlisle Jr. (ret.) made Nov 26 at 2015 11:58 AM

SFC Ken James Carlisle Jr. (ret.) — Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:58:08 -0500

With the proper paperwork any standing President must forfeit themselves to leaving office. Should soldiers be necessary, I would think it was a Totalitarian Coup being conducted by the President that wouldn't leave office.

Response by Philip Abromats made Nov 27 at 2015 12:33 PM

Philip Abromats — Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:33:35 -0500

If he doesn't surrender the office at 12:01 PM, January 20, 2017, or if he is impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate, then he is neither POTUS nor CINC. In accordance with their oaths to support the Constitution, the military would not only be justified, but obligated, to remove Obama from power by any means necessary because he would be an impostor to the presidency, and the proper president would have to be installed by force, if needed. Any military person, especially an officer, who supported Obama in this scenario would have to be court-martialed for obeying an illegal order.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 16 at 2017 11:47 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:47:54 -0400

You are advocating overthrowing the government and you can't just brush that aside. I can't see why my tax dollars provide you a pension so you can betray your country. Two chairs no waiting

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 29 at 2017 9:41 AM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 29 Mar 2017 09:41:25 -0400

Obama is no longer President. What about Trump, I think that there is plenty of reason to believe he is a traitor

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Mar 30 at 2017 3:34 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 30 Mar 2017 15:34:33 -0400

So, how is that treason thingy doing. Those Generals are supposed to fade away, they should lose their pensions