If you were working with an agent who asked you to down grade your integrity, in order to make truck loads of money, what would you do?

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Response by PO1 H Gene Lawrence made Oct 23 at 2020 2:23 PM

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My first response would be heck no. But I would be curious as to who, what, why and when!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 2:25 PM

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Flee! I would be curious and then scram. If it is too good to be true... PO3 Phyllis Maynard

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Oct 23 at 2020 2:26 PM

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No thanks. I have to look in the mirror of myself.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 2:28 PM

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how much of a downgrade and how big are the trucks? lol

Response by SPC Nancy Greene made Oct 23 at 2020 2:33 PM

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PO3 Phyllis Maynard, my integrity and personal values are worth more than ‘truck loads of money’

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Oct 23 at 2020 2:34 PM

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I have no idea of the context or scenario. But with your statement of reality stars I assume it has something to do with the entertainment industry. If you look at the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of people from the movie/tv industry who end up in the news/dead or both each year it normally always has something to do with substance abuse. I would warn against sacrificing your integrity or ethics as it will naw at you as it does many of them. I would warn against it. You need to be able to hold your head up and be able to look at yourself in the mirror each morning.

Response by SSG Robert Mark Odom made Oct 23 at 2020 2:35 PM

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No!

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 23 at 2020 2:37 PM

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Those recruiters are at it again huh?

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Oct 23 at 2020 2:37 PM

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PO3 Phyllis Maynard Do You Fear "Slenderman" The Boogeyman? Those that Chose that Path Have Met Me and My Coworkers. You Want to Rot in Hell, In Jail, I've Arranged that Before.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 2:37 PM

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Get more information, haha! Of course I would NOT join in on the "festivities". I would definitely get more information, though. Possibly write it down on a draft sworn statement, who knows. :-)

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Oct 23 at 2020 2:38 PM

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I'd say that I was looking for a job before stopping here, I'll just keep on looking sister PO3 Phyllis Maynard

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Oct 23 at 2020 2:43 PM

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Thank you my friend and sister-in-Christ PO3 Phyllis Maynard for posting a thoughtful question which has been a plot for several stories from Faustian bargains with the devil ....
To be honest, my integrity is priceless and I would never consciously violate it.

Response by 1SG Steven Imerman made Oct 23 at 2020 2:47 PM

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These trucks- pickups, or semis?

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 3:04 PM

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You can't take it with you
Matthew 19:24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 4:11 PM

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I have already said no at least once.

Response by SSG Dale London made Oct 23 at 2020 4:57 PM

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For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Mark 8:36)
Personal integrity is not some score you get on a scale of one to ten. It's more like virginity. You either have it or you don't. "Downgrading" your integrity changes you from being an honorable person to a dishonored one. No matter how much money you make, you will never be able to buy it back and every time you look in the mirror or you take the moral high ground with your kids or grandkids, you will know, deep down inside, that you are a fraud.
Save yourself the personal anguish and just say "thanks but no thanks."

Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Oct 23 at 2020 5:06 PM

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Never

Response by CPL Douglas Chrysler made Oct 23 at 2020 5:10 PM

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Sounds like a bad deal all around.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 5:45 PM

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Ones integrity is one of the few things one has complete control of. I will not intentionally do anyway to lose mine.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 5:51 PM

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I could have married into a very wealthy family to a licensed shrink in CA. My integrity, my heart and my brain said hell no!

Response by SGT Steve McFarland made Oct 23 at 2020 6:33 PM

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It wouldn't be the first job I have walked away from rather than bowing to the whims of a greedy boss.

Response by SSG Paul Headlee made Oct 23 at 2020 7:03 PM

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Not likely. Aside from the moral costs, look who you have to trust in order to not be discovered and prosecuted. Your integrity is priceless (someone who places a higher value on money than integrity).

Response by SP5 Leo Fitz made Oct 23 at 2020 7:27 PM

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Your integrity, and credibility are the only things they can't take. Don't sell it or give it away.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2020 11:27 PM

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My recruiter asked me that. Still waiting for the truck. Haha

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2020 2:44 AM

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How big is the truck and what's the job. It's is essentially the same morality question that has been asked for years. Would you do ____ for so much money. It's an easy question to answer knowing it is hypothetical, things can change when there is money on the table and it becomes a legitimate decision. So the real question becomes can you live with yourself and any consequences to personal relationships, and is the money enough to withstand any financial downfall.

Response by PO3 Patricia Miner made Oct 24 at 2020 2:56 AM

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We all joined the military. It certainly wasn't because of the pay.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Oct 24 at 2020 4:31 AM

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Pass, my integrity is simply not for sale. Once it is sacrificed, it is gone for good.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Oct 24 at 2020 4:52 AM

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I feel the need to qualify that last statement. In my business it would be simple and probably far more rewarding to be willing to fudge on integrity. To me, it is not a selectively applied thing. One either has integrity, or one does not.

When I was young, a little lie here and there seemed acceptable to me. I had lived a pretty rough youth and some lies here and there seemed to make feel a bit better about who I was and where I’d come from. A little story telling if you will.

It takes a lot of work to bring oneself from this mindset back to one of a life of integrity. I still see those pieces of my old self occasionally. I have a feeling that this is why people often hear the blunt unfiltered truth from my mouth, even when it may not be what they want to hear.

So I suppose saying your integrity will never come back is a bit of an exasperation. It is more that this is a line one is better off not crossing. It takes a whole lot of effort to get back to the right side of things.

Yes, that is a talk I have with myself all the time. I love who I am now. I know it took commitment to accept who I am and where I come from. I know I sleep better, and my relationships are better (especially with myself).

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Oct 24 at 2020 7:36 AM

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I’m in a position where there are always other jobs, my skills are in demand and I make plenty of money. There is no reason for me to downgrade my integrity. I hope you are in that position as well.

Response by Wayne Soares made Oct 24 at 2020 8:59 AM

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Karma

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Oct 24 at 2020 9:41 AM

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Tell them in no uncertain words where they could go. Under these circumstances a person like this would likely sell out our country for a few pitency dollars. A traitor and low life scum.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Oct 24 at 2020 10:02 AM

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It isn't exactly truckloads of money but I have had students (and believe it or not) parents offer me money to give them/their child passing or better grades on their report cards. My response is always, "You get what you earned." Now if it were a really good hardworking student sitting on the border or a A/B or B/C, etc. I might give them the benefit of the doubt but never for money. If money or anything else that is considered a bribe is offered everything is off the table.

Response by 1st Lt Mark Marshall made Oct 24 at 2020 10:41 AM

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I value my integrity higher than truck loads to money, in fact it is one of those things that is invaluable as it is difficult to obtain and easy to loose.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2020 5:52 PM

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Stay poor. Money can be replaced. Integrity is a lot harder to get back.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Nov 15 at 2020 8:40 PM

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If you’re considering doing this then your integrity is already downgraded

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Dec 6 at 2020 10:27 PM

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If you have to ask, you have a problem! Credir