If you witnessed a supervisor exploiting women and numerous complaints resulted in nothing, would you confront him?

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 08:35:35 -0400

This is based on a true story….curious to now how you wold react.

Response by LTC Kevin B. made Jul 27 at 2025 10:51 AM

LTC Kevin B. — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 10:51:28 -0400

I don't have enough background details to firmly declare what I'd do in this situation, although I'd certainly want to act in a way that solves the problem. Would it be my supervisor, a subordinate supervisor within my scope of responsibility, or a supervisor in another organization? My relationship to the person plays a role in how I'd address it. Also, were the complaints made to him directly, or to someone else who took no visible action (chain of command, IG, EO, etc.)? That would also play a role in my decision.

Response by COL Randall C. made Jul 27 at 2025 11:04 AM

COL Randall C. — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 11:04:13 -0400

Yes/no ... depends on a multitude of factors. As there are many different courses of action that can be taken, confrontation may not be the best route.

• What is the exploitation that was witnessed?
• Who were the complaints made to?
• Were the complaints ever investigated or were they dismissed? If so, why?
• etc.

Response by CW3 Richard Doty made Jul 27 at 2025 1:21 PM

CW3 Richard Doty — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 13:21:47 -0400

As with other answers here, the answer is, "it depends." Direct confrontation may not accomplish anything, and honestly, could make things worse. Now, if the supervisor worked for me, then I'm in a position to actually make some changes. Short of that, I may only be causing problems, especially if the supervisor then tries to take revenge on the women. There are a couple channels for reporting this sort of thing, and they may be the best approach. At least it then becomes part of the official record, and the individual's commander may also become involved.

Response by CW4 William Kessinger made Jul 27 at 2025 2:36 PM

CW4 William Kessinger — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:36:54 -0400

In my active duty years this was not an issue. We have very few women in roles that interacted with most combat MOS's. It wasn't until many years after I was off active duty (still in active positions in the TxNG and the USAR) that I saw the abuse happen to Commissioned Officer friends that were accused, both wrongly and on one occasion justified. I did not have the chance to intervene as I only learned of it after the fact. (but if I had been there first hand I would have politely informed the (Major) that the outward appearance was going to cause a serious issue within his command.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2025 3:18 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 15:18:32 -0400

So glad that this Special Forces Captain and his Team Sgt wouldn't tolerate it. More @ NYT link. Also glad that this shameful situation received significant media attention at the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

nytimes.com

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2025 5:09 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 17:09:19 -0400

Not enough information to make a properly informed opinion/decision

Response by Maj Kim Patterson made Jul 27 at 2025 9:24 PM

Maj Kim Patterson — Sun, 27 Jul 2025 21:24:22 -0400

As someone on the receiving end of this behavior (I’ll spare you the details and I don’t want to relive those times) I would certainly at a minimum document each incident that you become aware of. I started a diary when I entered active duty and found it as I was working on my disability rating. I had names and dates. Your responses remind me of Vanessa. No one sees anything, no one does anything. MST cases are finally getting attention because names and places are finding repetitive behaviors, different places, different women/men, same perpetrators. Tell me you have never witnessed something similar to this in your career. This is why those cases collected dusts and victims/survivors opted for suicide.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Jul 28 at 2025 9:02 AM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Mon, 28 Jul 2025 09:02:36 -0400

Confrontation isn't the only way to address it. Especially with it being a Supervisor. Numerous complaints is intentionally vague and doesn't say what has or hasn't been done. There are multiple routes that can be taken. I would document it, report it to local military or civilian authorities depending if any laws/policies have been broken and escalate it up the chain of command or at least the EO rep for them to do so. There are multiple checks and balances in place to help address thigs like this and most of the time when they doing what they are supposed to it's because they aren't being implemented correctly, aren't provided with accurate/timely information or people are trying to game the system in some way like unethical Command influence which honestly has been getting a lot of negative press lately in the last decade with anything related to the UCMJ and Military Justice system in general.

Response by Maj Kim Patterson made Jul 28 at 2025 2:26 PM

Maj Kim Patterson — Mon, 28 Jul 2025 14:26:55 -0400

I have testified in court as a sexual assault nurse examiner and have put away serial rapists. I am a forensic photographer. All shots are locked in a secure data base along with nursing documentation of care of the patient: women, men and tiny children.

Response by SGT Lorenzo Nieto made Jul 30 at 2025 6:45 AM

SGT Lorenzo Nieto — Wed, 30 Jul 2025 06:45:03 -0400

Like a man would say and do always be a man stand up for the people that can’t

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 30 at 2025 12:56 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:56:58 -0400

Sir,
There is a lot missing in the story here; however, I would try to find the place where the complaints stopped and go to the next higher or the first General Officer in the chain of command. Should the General Officer be the issue, I would report this (in the Army) to the Criminal Investigations Command (CID).

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Jul 31 at 2025 9:20 AM

SP5 Dennis Loberger — Thu, 31 Jul 2025 09:20:58 -0400

Absolutely, in fact, one time my wife thought I was going to get fired.............so did I.................but didn't

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2025 6:50 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Aug 2025 18:50:54 -0400

I have seen a few issues surrounding this. One issue that I found was another officer had an open SHARP investigation that never closed out and he PCSed. I was super confused about this and contacted his last unit and found out that he was never supposed to PCS but he slipped away. I went to a few senior leaders but nothing was happening. I even called the IG at the base where this occurred and they told me to contact the one at my base since he is there now. When I called them they told me to call the IG at the base that the incidents occurred. I went to a more senior leader and put a bug in the ear of a few other staff members. A bit later nothing was happening and my next step was going to be the 4-star command level IG. Luckily, the post commander stepped in and pulled the issue to his level and dealt with it. It took a couple months of trying to get this resolved.

In your story i wouldn't confront them. I would usually draft a memorandum for record and sign it with my CAC. This would also include any times when I contacted leaders about this. If you let people know that you are just keeping it for your records then they start to think it might be something to worry about.

Response by SGT Sheryl Thomas made Aug 10 at 2025 8:40 AM

SGT Sheryl Thomas — Sun, 10 Aug 2025 08:40:16 -0400

Record some of incidents, where legal.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Aug 25 at 2025 9:50 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Mon, 25 Aug 2025 21:50:34 -0400

I already did. When I was in uniform, anyway. It was part of my job as a SH/ARC.