In the Army and Marines, the First Sergeant is often referred to as "Top," or "Top Kick." Why is this so offensive for some?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:58:46 -0500

"In setting up the American Army, General Washington relied heavily on the talents of General Baron Von Steuben. During this time, Von Steuben wrote what is referred to as the "Blue Book of Regulations." This "Blue Book" covered most of the organizational, administrative, and disciplinary details necessary to operate the Continental Army.
While Von Steubon outlined the duties of such NCOs as the Sergeant Major, Quartermaster Sergeant and other key NCOs it was the Company First Sergeant, the American Equivalent of the Prussian Feldwebel, that he directed most of his attention. This noncommissioned officer, chosen by officers of the company, was the linchpin of the company and the discipline of the unit. The conduct of the troops, their exactness in obeying orders and the regularity of their manners, would "in a large measure, depend upon the First Sergeant's vigilance." The First Sergeant therefore must be "intimately acquainted with the character of every soldier in the company and should take great pains to impress upon their minds the indispensable necessity of the strictest obedience as the foundation of order and regularity." Their tasks of maintaining the duty roster in an equitable manner, taking "the daily orders in a book and showing them to their officers, making the morning report to the captain of the state of the company in the form prescribed, and at the same time, acquainting them with anything material that may have happened in the company since the preceding report," all closely resembled the duties of the 17th century company sergeant.

The First Sergeant also kept a company descriptive book under the captain's supervision. These descriptive books listed the names, ages, heights, places of birth, and prior occupations of all enlisted in the company. The Army maintained the books until about the decade of the 20th century when they were finally replaced by the "Morning Report."

Since the First Sergeant was responsible for the entire company, he was, in Von Steuben's words, "not to go on duty, unless with the whole company, but is to be in camp quarters to answer any call that may be made."

On the march or on the battlefield, they were "Never to lead a platoon or section, but always to be a file closer in the formation of the company, their duty being in the company like the adjutant's in the regiment."

In the Army and Marines, the first sergeant is often referred to as "Top," or "Top Kick." The nickname has obvious roots in that the first sergeant is the "top" enlisted person in the unit, and a "kick in the pants" is a motivation tool (not literally, at least in today's military) to get the troops into gear." (retrieve from http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theservices/a/firstsergeant_3.htm)

First sergeants are generally the senior non-commissioned officers of company (battery, troop) sized units, and are unofficially but commonly referred to as "first shirt", "top", "top sergeant", "top soldier", "top kick", due to their seniority and their position at the top of the company's enlisted ranks. They are sometimes referred to as "second hat" because the Company Commander may entrust them with important responsibilities, even over one of the company's lieutenants.

First sergeants handle the leadership and professional development of their soldiers, noncommissioned officer development, manage pay issues, supervise administrative issues, manage the promotable soldiers within the company, and are the first step in disciplinary actions such as an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment) proceeding. A first sergeant may place a soldier under arrest in quarters in certain cases, as well as manage all of the daily responsibilities of running the company/unit.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 5:32 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 May 2016 17:32:02 -0400

Incorrect. While technically inappropriate, MSgts in the Marines are sometimes addressed as "Top", just as GySgts are addressed as "Gunny". 1stSgts in the Marines are only to be addressed as "First Sergeant". In the Army, the term "Top" has been used to address senior enlisted, and not just 1SGs; I've called a SGM "Top" at times (he was more than OK with it). The term "shirt" or "first shirt" has only been historically used in reference to USAF 1st Sgts and not as a form of address.
To answer your question, some don't like it as they look at it as disrespectful in the sense that it somehow diminishes or cheapens the rank, or by thinking it's unprofessional. It's a matter of personal preference.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Aug 17 at 2017 4:44 PM

TSgt Tommy Amparano — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:44:58 -0400

We just called them "shirt".

Response by SPC Darren Coffenberry made Aug 17 at 2017 5:21 PM

SPC Darren Coffenberry — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:21:14 -0400

In our artillery battery, we referred to our 1st Sgt as "top" and in addressing him as well...he had no problem with it...some don't like it , as they think of spinning like a top...but i simply find them to be the "top" dog NCO in the battery so therefore a compliment.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Aug 17 at 2017 5:26 PM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:26:32 -0400

Depended on the individual first shirt when I was in. finding out ASAP usually saved a lot of grief. When I was serving out my hitch, we had an acting first sgt, (he was an E-7). On duty, I always referred to him as Top. Off duty, (we were on the company bowling team), he was OK with Gene, his first name. I still called him Top.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Aug 17 at 2017 5:47 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:47:16 -0400

Never. 1st Sgt were always addressed by their proper rank, , MSGTs were Top.

Response by SGT David Rucker made Aug 17 at 2017 5:48 PM

SGT David Rucker — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:48:11 -0400

One of my First Sergeants in the Army was also a former Marine. Just about everyone called him "top". I often wondered how he really felt about it.

Response by MSG Mel Trout made Aug 17 at 2017 7:00 PM

MSG Mel Trout — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:00:20 -0400

My personal opinion is the only NCO that can be referred to as Top is the 1SG. Army '72 - '96. 3 years wearing the diamond. I heard one of my soldiers call a CSM Top and he was not happy. Of course, I was always under the belief that if you had to get a diamond before you could get a star. Moved to Bn Staff at the end, but will always wish my retirement papers were as 1SG instead of MSG. I'll never forget the feeling the first soldier called me Top. No regs just opinion.

Response by CSM William Payne made Aug 17 at 2017 7:27 PM

CSM William Payne — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:27:51 -0400

I was a First Sergeant for six years and a Command Sergeant Major for 17 years. Top is a term in the Army that is reserved for the First Shirt or First Sergeant, the top NCO in his company. Could also be used for the acting First Sergeant. As a Sergeant Major, I never had a Soldier to address me as Top.

Response by PFC Tim Danaher made Aug 17 at 2017 8:04 PM

PFC Tim Danaher — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:04:49 -0400

In the Marines that what we called him I mean when you said Top their was only ONE per unit with that ID. First Sargent was First Sargent and the main difference in my unit was top was more the actual in charge of the platoon First Sargent was more of an admin kind of guy.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Aug 17 at 2017 8:15 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:15:21 -0400

"In the Army and Marines, the first sergeant is often referred to as "Top," or "Top Kick." Why is so offensive for some?"
1: As has been pointed out by Marines, Marines do not call the unit First Sergeant "Top"
2: In the Army, the only position I ever heard call "Top" was the company 1SG.
3: If someone is calling a SGM/CSM "Top" they are ignorant at least, and likely stupid as well.
4: When I was a First Sergeant, it did not bother me when a troop called me "Top" it is an appropriate nickname, even if not actually authorized term of address. I preferred First Sergeant, but did not even blink at Top.
5: If an actual company First Sergeant E8 is getting his (her, other) panties in a wad over being called "Top" Id bet the BN and BDE CSM have concerns and issues with that 1SG's leadership ability..I know I would...if that is what the 1SG chooses to focus on ....Id bet they expend hundreds of man hours defending the grass from being used to train on, rocks are painted weekly, and gravel is raked into neat lines so the unit CSM is impressed (which by the way he is not, unless he is a turd as well) and not a sqd in his unit can perform all basic individual or squad tasks to standard....but hey, no one is calling him "Top"

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Aug 17 at 2017 8:15 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:15:46 -0400

When I served I always said 1SG if I were in formation or other soldiers were around. To me it sounded more respectful. I only used "Top" if in private conversation. That was just me because in Field Artillery it is common to call your 1SG, "Top."

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Aug 17 at 2017 10:09 PM

SSgt Dan Montague — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 22:09:01 -0400

A 1stSgt is not called top. Only a MSgt

Response by SPC John O'Brien III made Aug 18 at 2017 1:32 AM

SPC John O'Brien III — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:32:41 -0400

"the word Marine 1stSgts absolutely hate"

referred to my 1st sgt as "top"
it was used as a sign of respect, he was the top soldier in our Battery. and a fucking awesome guy.

maybe these Marine 1st sgts have their panties in a twist because they're "bottoms"

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Aug 18 at 2017 1:55 AM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:55:14 -0400

In my day, "Top" was a complimentary thing. Thus I have to pose the question...How are people who can earn a Rank of E8 so easily offended by this? I mean in certain contextual conversations you can usually interchange in "Yes 1st Sgt", and "Roger That, Top". Meaning at least during the course of such conversation you ARE acknowledging his Position....as THE senior enlisted person/fank of your unit (company level). Showing some level of respect, while at the same time not following the similar obligatory "Sir" after every single thing you say to an LT, etc.

Me dun get it. Especially within any Combat Arms-MOS arena. If your 1stSgt is that soft to be offended by "Top", your unit likely has far bigger problems than just this issue. "Top" is in a billet where leadership by example is essential to unit success. Im tempted to suggest that if your senior enlisted is THAT soft, it probably trickles down, too. Yet we cannot chalk this up to "The Millenial Generation" either, as most of these men/women are likely approaching 35-40 years of age---those in such billets NOW---and id they ever want to make E9, they should know by now to minimize any and all of such petty fussing.

That said, DO NOT refer to any E9s as anything but the tank they have well earned, eapecially if they are in your own chain of command, lest you want to put yourself on their "shit list".

Response by Sgt Earl Maddalena made Aug 18 at 2017 7:39 AM

Sgt Earl Maddalena — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:39:28 -0400

Marine 1stSgt's are never called "Top" Calling the 1stSgt "Top" is like walking on the SgtMaj's grass! You just don't do it!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2017 7:47 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:47:47 -0400

I have zero issues with my soldiers calling me "Top". If discipline in my unit is going away, or standards aren't being upheld, there is a hell of a lot more going wrong in terms of failed leadership and lack of mentorship than the use of an accepted and established slang term of endearment.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Aug 18 at 2017 7:25 PM

Sgt Wayne Wood — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 19:25:45 -0400

A "top" is something that spins in a tight circle accomplishing nothing... i DARE you to call a Marine 1st Sgt "top"

Response by GySgt Charles O'Connell made Aug 19 at 2017 4:18 PM

GySgt Charles O'Connell — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 16:18:16 -0400

I've never heard of a Marine 1stSgt referred to as, Top, or Top Kick. And I wouldn't advise it.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Sep 8 at 2017 12:07 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:07:50 -0400

I was a 1SG (and pretty damn good, or so I've been told) and being called "Top" never bothered me, as I understood the traditions and it was much better than asshole.
Because I had the honor of returning to the same BN that I had served as a 1SG in, to serve as CSM many Soldiers called me Top even as CSM, never suffered any butt ache or felt slighted.
As a matter of fact I've noticed that Soldiers tend to call me by the rank that I held when I served with them when I run into them here on post or out and around town. Still no butt hurt when guys who I served as Squad Leader to, call me SGT Saint, still better than asshole and in fact I'm just glad that they remember me, take a moment and stop, and say Hi. So it was even on active duty. Because if the guys hadn't done what I asked , when I asked and done it well, I would never have had the opportunity to be 1SG or CSM St.Cyr

Response by CPT Jim Schwebach made Sep 10 at 2017 9:23 AM

CPT Jim Schwebach — Sun, 10 Sep 2017 09:23:02 -0400

Times change, I reckon. As a trooper we addressed the First Sergeant as "Top" unless we were standing in front of his desk. Then he was First Sergeant. Later I had the privilege to command rifle companies in both garrison and combat conditions in the Sixties and early Seventies. The First Sergeant was addressed to as "Top" or First Sergeant interchangeably except in formation or during ceremonies i.e. "Sir, the company is formed." "Thank you, First Sergeant. Take your post." Sergeants Major were always addressed as Sergeant Major regardless of the unit designation or staff position. All other NCO's were addressed as Sergeant unless they had stepped in the poo pile.
My son-in-law is a Master Gunnery Sergeant. I've observed that he's always been addressed by his full rank by his fellow Marines.

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Jan 8 at 2018 9:41 PM

CPT Tom Monahan — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 21:41:37 -0500

Marines and Army heritage are different - Duh! The two services deal with rank acknowledgement differently. Example: Corporals in th Army are few while there are no SPC4s in the Corp. Rank is expressed with full title in the Corps more often than in the Army. Never heard a PLT SGT called Gunny in the Army. Think about it.

Response by SSG Jeff Gerfen made Jan 9 at 2018 5:13 AM

SSG Jeff Gerfen — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 05:13:42 -0500

For the twenty years I served, 4 years in the Air Force, 16 in the Army, I always called my 1st Sgt as 1st Sgt, very rarely did I call him “Top” only if it was in a more informal setting. Sergeant Majors and Command Sergeant Majors we’re always addresses appropriately in my MP Company by junior NCO’s and enlisted, no matter who the CSM was or what unit he was assigned to. Even in my current job, which also has a rank structure, where most of my co-workers might be on s first name basis with the Sergeants and lieutenants I will always call them by their rank, I’ve been retired since 1995 now so sometimes I shorten that to either Sarge or LT, but I never forget their rank, 20 years of military service are hard to forget

Response by SFC Fred Youngs made Jan 9 at 2018 12:48 PM

SFC Fred Youngs — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 12:48:41 -0500

I guess I am Olde School 1974-1998 and again 2006-2010
I had a 1st Sgt. From the 82nd Abn. Artillery come my unit Corps Arty. The 1st thing he told us and this Pct E-2 was Do Not Call Me TOO I do not spin like a toy. My next 1st Sgt. Was Green Beret and he said the same thing. So in all my years I never called an E-8 or an E-9 TOP. Hell even as an E-7 I never had thought to call a SGM or CSM TOP.

Response by MSG Dale Lee made Jan 9 at 2018 2:27 PM

MSG Dale Lee — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:27:57 -0500

I'm retired army and have held this position of 1st Sgt, or as most referred, top. That was a term shortened from top dog, or top soldier in a line company. To refer to a SGM as top is wrong, he doesn't hold a leadership position. Referring to a CSM as top I've seen, but these were former 1st Sgt, and was more how the commander expanded the CSM role over company NCO guidance. Marines I know fought hard calling a 1st Sgt top, and tend to use the rank in speaking of. I'm not aware of CSS type units prodigal only CS and C type units. As long as is respectfully done I have no problem with it

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2018 7:42 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 19:42:37 -0500

Honestly in my opinion is about who you are around and if they set the proper example for you. My mom spent 27 years in( last 17 in recruiting) and was called top a lot because she had no enlistedaround her.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2018 7:43 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 19:43:50 -0500

I am a Top. That’s a company 1SG in the army. Don’t really care what you call me as long as you made you medical appointments, attended SHARP, got your flu shots...

Response by SSgt Mike Watson made Jan 9 at 2018 8:26 PM

SSgt Mike Watson — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 20:26:08 -0500

I've been in both the Army and the Air Force. I liked calling the First sergeant top better than in the Air Force the 1st shirt. First time I heard that in the AF didn't know what it meant someone told me said oh you mean top. Had some real good First Sergeants both branches.

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Jan 9 at 2018 8:27 PM

SGT Patrick Reno — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 20:27:32 -0500

I don't know why it is offensive to some. I had a lot of 1Sgt. But only one TOP. There is just something more to a 1st Sgt that earns the name TOP.

Response by SGT Bob Taylor made Jan 9 at 2018 9:28 PM

SGT Bob Taylor — Tue, 09 Jan 2018 21:28:20 -0500

USArmy68-71 ETS as an E-5. Company 1st Sgt was always addressed as Top because he was top enlisted person in company. No one ever complained. If addressed in a formal meeting I used the proper rank. I have been told by current soldiers that some do not like being called “Top” now.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Jan 10 at 2018 5:45 AM

Cpl Rc Layne — Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:45:02 -0500

As a Master Sergeant, Master Sergeant Carpenter had no issues being called Top or Top Carpenter. When he was pinned as a First Sergeant, he lit me up for calling him top.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jan 10 at 2018 12:19 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:19:46 -0500

no one should feel offended.

Response by SPC Christopher McMahon made Jan 10 at 2018 6:08 PM

SPC Christopher McMahon — Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:08:32 -0500

When I was stationed in Bamberg, Germany, we had a First Sergeant who hated being called “Top.” One time in PT formation, an E-5 said “yes, top.” The First Sergeant looked at him and asked, “do I look like I spin on my head, Sergeant?” There were a few chuckles, but he was far from kidding.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2018 8:17 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:17:30 -0500

I may not have as much time in as y’all do but I’ve never seen Sgt’s Maj called Top but I personally have called MSgt’s Top on numerous occasions. The story I’ve always heard from my Great Grandad (WW2-Army) my Grandad (Vietnam-Army) and my Dad (Desert Storm/Shield-Marines) and from various others was that the reason behind the nickname “Top” is that it’s the last rank you’ll have equal or less chevrons than rockers; and that you call MSgts Top instead of 1stSgts because 1stSgts often have a stick up their ass and will jump down your throat for breathing a different way than they wanted. Where as MSgts don’t have the same responsibilities as 1stSgts so for some reason they’re more laid back in my experience and will accept a time honored nickname like Top. Although 1stSgts and some MSgts still view it as disrespect to the rank and a slight to them personally. I think everyone needs to quit getting their feelings hurt so easily.

Response by Sgt Raymond Mirabile made Jan 11 at 2018 3:15 AM

Sgt Raymond Mirabile — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 03:15:42 -0500

I served in the Marines and as a Corporal and as a sergeant E-5 we all called our Master Gunnery Sergeant Top. That's what he was called throughout the compound and that's how he was referred to by everybody. It was a sign of respect. It was second nature. Today as a civilian I met an old retired Master Gunny. I call him
Top all the time he doesn't have a problem with it. I think he likes it.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 3:31 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 03:31:28 -0500

I have never known a 1SG to get offended by being called "Top." However, along these same lines, Warrant Officers in the Army are most commonly referred to as "Chief" when in fact, this is not an official term. However, I am surprised to learn how many Soldiers actually believe that referring to a Chief Warrant Officer as "Chief" is correct by regulation (when in fact, the only authorized ways are Sir/Ma'am and Mister/Miss).

That being said, much like 1SG's being called "Top," I do not mind being called "Chief." Nor do I know any warrants that mind it. Neither are derogatory in any way I actually tend to think of them as terms of respect; another way of acknowledging the rank seniority by others.

Response by LTC Russ Smith made Jan 11 at 2018 8:58 AM

LTC Russ Smith — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:58:27 -0500

26 years of service. I held every position an infantryman can hold in a rifle company, except First Sergeant. Never heard "Top kick." Top, yes.

Response by SFC Charles Kauffman made Jan 11 at 2018 2:18 PM

SFC Charles Kauffman — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 14:18:51 -0500

I preferred "Top". First Sergeant is a position on the manning roster, but "Top" is more a state of being, especially prestigious when the Commander and Chief Warrant Officers call you "Top".

Response by LCpl Aaron Freeman made Jan 11 at 2018 3:23 PM

LCpl Aaron Freeman — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 15:23:29 -0500

I've never heard a Marine 1st Sgt, called Top... A Master Sgt, or Master Gunnery Sgt (either Top Gun, or Master Guns), yes... never a 1st Sgt! When you're accused of being crayon eaters, this is to be expected! Now, where's my box of Crayola...

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Jan 11 at 2018 4:04 PM

SP5 Gary Smith — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:04:22 -0500

Hmmmm. I preferred to be addressed as Specialist (as opposed to spec) 5.

Response by Cpl Kurt Huber made Jan 11 at 2018 4:04 PM

Cpl Kurt Huber — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:04:49 -0500

Calling a Marine Corps First Sergeant "Top" would be about the same result as calling a SNCO "Sarge" you won't like the result, either way.
The only terms of endearment we ever used in an Infantry Battalion were "boot" "shower shoe" am get a few others for the young Marines new to the Unit and straight out of SOI (School of Infantry).
We referred to our Ops Chief as either Gunny OR Top (depending on his rank) and our Company First Sergeant was "First Sergeant" and the BN Sergeant Major was "Sergeant Major" wed have a few Master Gunnery Sergeants floating around in occasion and we affectionately called them "Master Guns"
CWO's were always called Sir, unless that CWO was an Infantry Weapons Specialist known as a "Gunner" and it was either Sir OR if you knew him, it was "Gunner"
We all know what butter bars were called (refer to above "boot") though we called them "Sir"
the Company Commander was either Sir, Captain or "skipper" if he was good shit.
It used to drive me f'n crazy to hear an Army SSgt or SFC (E-6 and E-7) called "Sarge!"

Response by SFC Chris Holloman made Jan 11 at 2018 4:53 PM

SFC Chris Holloman — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:53:04 -0500

I have mostly called my First Sergeants TOP. But, There is a difference a 1sg And a TOP. You figure it out.

Response by SGT Tom Recupero made Jan 11 at 2018 5:58 PM

SGT Tom Recupero — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:58:11 -0500

Top is like getting called Pop. Good 1st Sgts get called Top

Response by SPC Rick LaBonte made Jan 11 at 2018 6:36 PM

SPC Rick LaBonte — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:36:59 -0500

Once your established in a unit, you realize which NCOs, officers and WOs will tolerate slang. Usually as a private you won't do it, but as an E4 Top is how I addressed my 1SGT,most WOs were fine with "Chief" and many 2nd and 1st leuitenents didn't mind "LT", especially if you worked daily with that officer. Rank terms like that tend to help unit cohesion

Response by PFC Brandon Napolitano made Jan 11 at 2018 7:20 PM

PFC Brandon Napolitano — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 19:20:35 -0500

If I passed him in the motor pool or outside of the Company, I'd call 1SG Top. As would many others in the Company. Still using the proper greeting of the day. E.G. "Morning Top" or "Afternoon Top"

Response by SGT Robert Haynes made Jan 11 at 2018 7:26 PM

SGT Robert Haynes — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 19:26:06 -0500

I spent 6 years in the Army, and The manner in addressing the First Sergeant depended on the situation. If I was in front of him with one of my troops, the manner of address was "First Sergeant". If it was more informal, it was "Top".

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 8:49 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:49:19 -0500

Ive called most of my Master Sargeants top but never my 1st sgt. Most of the desk jockeys hate it but all the comat mos's perfer being xalled top

Response by Cpl Brian Ruby made Jan 11 at 2018 8:55 PM

Cpl Brian Ruby — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:55:54 -0500

I always called my 1st Sergeant "Top" and he never seemed to mind. He was from the south and we both chewed tobacco so usually his main concern was if I had any "chew" on me if he was out.

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Jan 11 at 2018 8:59 PM

CPT Jeff Robinette — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:59:31 -0500

I would NEVER call my 1SG "TOP" in front of the troops. I viewed that as unprofessional. If we were in the Orderly Room that would be a different story.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 10:21 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:21:08 -0500

I was in the Army for 10 years and every unit I was in everyone called the 1st sgt top it was never meant as disrespect all of my 1st sgt’s earned that title

Response by SFC Robert Adams made Jan 12 at 2018 12:30 AM

SFC Robert Adams — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:30:08 -0500

Always called our 1SG top.

Response by MSG Manuel G Chapa Jr. made Jan 12 at 2018 2:27 AM

MSG Manuel G Chapa Jr. — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:27:03 -0500

Top never bothered me! I was even called Papa Chapa by my barracks rats.
Because they told me that I was a good father figure. Sometimes respect can come with funny titles!

Response by Maj Bryan Buckles made Jan 12 at 2018 8:31 AM

Maj Bryan Buckles — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:31:19 -0500

When I was an enlisted Marine and would have ever referred to a 1stSgt as "Top," I wouldn't be here today to tell the tale.

Response by MSgt David Hackney made Jan 12 at 2018 10:06 AM

MSgt David Hackney — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:06:00 -0500

Never heard a Marine 1stSgt referred to as Top. Master Sergeants yes. Some like it and some dont. As for myself people still call me Top. Retired in 2012

Response by Sgt Tee Organ made Jan 12 at 2018 10:12 AM

Sgt Tee Organ — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:12:11 -0500

It's a term reserved for those tight knit communities where a familial bond has been formed. Not to make it right but the simple correction at this point is to respect the rank and if things allow themselves to play out where "Top" is used then let it be, but in professional settings, definitely address appropriately.

Response by Cpl Kent Mitchell made Jan 12 at 2018 10:15 AM

Cpl Kent Mitchell — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:15:16 -0500

This has to be something fairly new (like in the past 62 years). We always referred to our first sergeant as "Top." Called every tech sergeant "Gunny," and all other sergeants paygrades below, "sergeant." Once had a staff sergeant introduce himself and tell us we could call him by his first name, "Sergeant." I guess over the years someone got their skivvies in a wad and changed the way we addressed each other. . . . except the most important one -- Marine.

Response by GySgt Joe Tajc made Jan 12 at 2018 12:01 PM

GySgt Joe Tajc — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:01:25 -0500

When I was in the Corps, the First Sergeant was called the “First Sergeant”. Period! We might call a Master Sergeant or possibly a Master Gunnery Sergeant a “Top”, but never a First Sergeant (or Sergeant Major, for that matter!)

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2018 12:27 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 12:27:52 -0500

As explained to me by my First Sergeant, when I was just a young PFC, TOP is not only to signify the top NCO but it also is an acronym for Trainer Of Professionals as it is every NCO's duty to train the troops and TOP trains the NCO's (professionals).

Response by Sgt Andrew Pouliot made Jan 12 at 2018 2:45 PM

Sgt Andrew Pouliot — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:45:20 -0500

"Top" in the Marines refers to a Master Sergeant. First Sergeants are referred to as First Sergeants, although our MSgt refers to our 1st Sgt as Top sometimes.

Response by 1SG Don Grinsell made Jan 12 at 2018 3:48 PM

1SG Don Grinsell — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 15:48:00 -0500

Interesting. I'm a retired Army 1SG. I was addressed as top mostly by the officers. Junior nco's and enlisted almost always addressed me as first sergeant.

Response by SGT Paul Mangano made Jan 12 at 2018 7:04 PM

SGT Paul Mangano — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:04:10 -0500

When I was active duty Vietnam era I had great respect for My 1st Sergeants. The reference of Top was a term of Respect.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2018 7:17 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:17:30 -0500

I have no knowledge of the Army's traditions, but in the Marines (at least when I was in 68-88), MSgts and MGySgts were often called Top. MGySgts may have also have been called Master Gunny, but 1st Sgts and SgtMajs were ALWAYS called just that, 1stSgt or Sgt Maj. Heaven help the poor individual who didn't. I remember a 1st Lt. calling a 1stSgt a Top in formation one day. 1st Sgt reminded him it was 1stSgt. Lt just shrugged. Word was he was reminded again later by the CO in the privacy of the CO's office.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2018 7:54 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:54:00 -0500

Marine corps “Top” is a Msgt

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2018 8:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 20:33:34 -0500

There are tons more issues to be addressed than calling a 1SG "Top." Personally, I only say top those I respected as a 1SG. My current one for sure, and several others in my career. It also depended on the circumstances (informal). I can't say I've ever encountered one that got his or her panties in a bunch being called top. We've called our E7 in Field artillery "smoke", when I was acting platoon sergeant for 2 1/2 years, my soldiers called me boss or occasionally platoon daddy, never offended me, just made me laugh.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2018 11:03 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:03:03 -0500

I have never seen a CSM called Top. Period. It has always and only been, the 1st Sgt. Not sure about the crayon ea...Marines, but with the Army, it's only the 1stSgt.

Response by Cpl Brandon Rocco made Jan 13 at 2018 12:06 PM

Cpl Brandon Rocco — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:06:29 -0500

The master sgts I knew all prefered to be called top and the 2 master guns I met prefered to be called gunny. My first sgt was ok with it if there was alot of higher ups around. We said top he knew we were talking to him. That was about it

Response by PVT Leighton Bader made Jan 13 at 2018 1:26 PM

PVT Leighton Bader — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:26:17 -0500

It's about respect, you call them by the rank they have earned.. You call a 1st Sgt, first sergeant.

Response by Sgt Daniel J. Daly made Jan 13 at 2018 1:48 PM

Sgt Daniel J. Daly — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:48:43 -0500

Well I was in the Marine Corps for four years including 13 months in Vietnam. I’ve had a few First Sergeants. Everyone of them was addressed as “Top”. None ever said anything about that address. Now when at formation or other official activities he would be addressed as First Sergeant.

Response by SgtMaj Kenneth Dillon made Jan 13 at 2018 4:13 PM

SgtMaj Kenneth Dillon — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:13:32 -0500

When I came into the Marine Corps in 1975, we addreseed our company first sergeant, 1stSgt Parker, a Korean War veteran, as "Top Parker." It was a mark of respect.

Response by 1SG Leon Espe made Jan 13 at 2018 8:42 PM

1SG Leon Espe — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 20:42:10 -0500

I always accepted the nick name "Top" or "First Shirt" as an informal title of respect. My last Commanding Officer called me "Top", maybe because he trusted me to run the Company. He signed a document authorizing me to sign off on unit business in his absences including leaves or anything else. In the 2 and 1/2 years I worked for him he became the 5th Army Golf Champion. He tried his best to convince me not to retire.

Response by SSgt Bruce Probert made Jan 13 at 2018 11:37 PM

SSgt Bruce Probert — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:37:59 -0500

I don't have much time for those whose insecurities cause them to upset by being addressed respectfully.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2018 2:25 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:25:25 -0500

From a lower enlisted perspective.
Top is YOUR 1st SGT, there are many 1st SGT's but this one is yours . Usually it comes from a more personal level of respect . It means you respect the rank AND the man/woman that wears it .

Response by 1SG Robert Lee made Jan 14 at 2018 3:32 PM

1SG Robert Lee — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:32:44 -0500

I retired as 1SG. Was not offended in the least.

Response by GySgt Bill McManus made Jan 14 at 2018 6:50 PM

GySgt Bill McManus — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 18:50:31 -0500

Master Sgt and 1st Sgt are called The Marines 1st shirt is Air Force.

Response by SFC John Rivera made Jan 14 at 2018 7:38 PM

SFC John Rivera — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 19:38:31 -0500

From what I remember, we referred to the 1st Sergeant as top but never addressed him as such. But when we had an acting 1sg, calling him Top was fine. While I was an acting 1sg I liked being called Top. But if I would have gotten my diamond I might have felt differently.

Response by PO2 Joseph Lucas made Jan 14 at 2018 9:03 PM

PO2 Joseph Lucas — Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:03:27 -0500

This is confusing. Thank God I was Navy!

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Jan 15 at 2018 5:52 AM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 05:52:01 -0500

Not offensive in the least. It is an unofficial yet deeply respectful honorific.

Response by SGT Daniel Anderson made Jan 15 at 2018 5:57 AM

SGT Daniel Anderson — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 05:57:23 -0500

Don’t make the mistake of calling your DI sarge.

Response by SSG John Mitchell made Jan 15 at 2018 10:06 AM

SSG John Mitchell — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:06:46 -0500

Only had 1 1SG ever get offended but he was a POS to begin with & only lasted @ a month before he dipped his wick in a PFC. However, Top was only used in day to day interactions. If he was grilling your ass or TCB, It was 1SG.

Response by SrA Paul Pfeil made Jan 15 at 2018 1:04 PM

SrA Paul Pfeil — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:04:14 -0500

A badge of honor, truly earned. Utmost respect for anyone with such a stack, more so then any junior officer.

Response by 1SG William Jackson made Jan 15 at 2018 1:05 PM

1SG William Jackson — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:05:19 -0500

I was assigned to the 197th LIB at Fort Benning. I had a Company of mixed MOSs, some Infantry, some AG, some QM. I thought it was funny that the support troops usually liked to use the term "Top" whereas my combat arms types "never" used the term. It was always First Sergeant. I came into the Army as an 11B and I could never see using "Top" to refer to a 1SG. Talking to one of my Senior support Soldiers about why he used this term. He replied it was a sign of respect, i.e. any 1SG E8 can be called a First Sergeant, but a First Sergeant that is respected among the troops is their "Top". That was his answer. It didn't bother me either way, especially since the BC called me "Top".

Response by Sgt Richard Sprague made Jan 15 at 2018 2:30 PM

Sgt Richard Sprague — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:30:37 -0500

In the Marines if one was to refer to a 1st Sgt as a 'TOP' one would usually get a respond of 'Do you see me spinning on my Head'. I had never seen a 1st Sgt in the Marines allow one to call them 'TOP'.

Response by Cpl Billy Smith made Jan 15 at 2018 5:12 PM

Cpl Billy Smith — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:12:06 -0500

Never heard "Top",bitch, about being called "Top"- ever

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Jan 15 at 2018 6:24 PM

SGT Randall Smith — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:24:11 -0500

Every 1st Sgt I ever had was called Top. From Pvt to the Company Commander

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2018 6:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:47:09 -0500

Between nine years in the Marines and seven years (so far) in the Army, my experience with the "Top vs. First Sergeant" question has been as varied as the answers in this thread. I've come to the conclusion that it really depends on the individual E-8.

Although it's more common in the Army, I've occasionally heard both first sergeants and master sergeants in the Marines addressed as "Top" without those E-8s losing their minds in a berserker rage.

I recently asked an Army first sergeant about the acceptability of calling a first sergeant "Top," and he said he only reserved that alternate title for soldiers in his unit, or soldiers he had a history with. He didn't like it when soldiers who didn't know him called him "Top" because he couldn't always tell if they were being smartasses about it.

My advice is to simply ask the E-8 in your life with whom you normally interact: "First Sergeant [be on the safe side and call him/her 'First Sergeant' to begin this conversation], I've heard some people say that calling a first sergeant "Top" is disrespectful, and others say that it's common practice. What's your opinion on this?"

And based on his/her answer, proceed accordingly.

Response by MGySgt James Forward made Jan 15 at 2018 9:35 PM

MGySgt James Forward — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:35:20 -0500

Well, most folks know that we Marines are HIGHLY anal retentive about proper rank. We call just about everyone by their rank. When I made MSgt I had zero issues with being called "Top". When I was promoted to MGySgt, Marines called me "Master Gunny" the only Marine that called me "Top" was my OIC. Two man shop. Got sent to a far away land in Kuwait after 9-11 and spend 9 months on Camp Doha. Army guys were afraid of me....could not figure out my rank as I was the ONLY Master Gunny on the Base. My Gunny told then I was a Hawaiian SgtMaj. The Master Gunny Emblem is a stylized Bursting Bomb which does look like a pineapple. We called all the Army folks by their proper rank as well. The only Sgt is a Sgt. Semper Fi.

Response by GySgt David Shaver made Jan 15 at 2018 9:52 PM

GySgt David Shaver — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:52:38 -0500

One good thing about being retired is we all have the same rank.

Response by Sgt Den OBrien made Jan 15 at 2018 10:33 PM

Sgt Den OBrien — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 22:33:54 -0500

I recall the 1st Sergeant being called "Top" and "Top Sergeant" all of the time. I can't remember any resentment or displeasure over it.

Response by Sgt John Mazza made Jan 15 at 2018 11:12 PM

Sgt John Mazza — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 23:12:57 -0500

In the Air Force, the First Sergeant was universally known as the First Shirt, or Shirt, but that was NEVER used as a term of address. In other words, if orders came from the First Sergeant, it "came from the first shirt", but when you talked to him/her, it was "Hello sergeant Smith".

Response by SGT Robert Hawks made Jan 16 at 2018 3:17 AM

SGT Robert Hawks — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 03:17:36 -0500

Spent most of my 13 years in Armor and almost every 1SG I had was called Top and they never complained most wore the name as a badge of success

Response by GySgt Stephen Hogarth made Jan 16 at 2018 10:53 AM

GySgt Stephen Hogarth — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 10:53:29 -0500

Top is a term of endearment for Marines that is reserved solely for the Master Sergeants and Master Gunnery Sergeants (aka MasterGuns). In the Marine Corps, MSgt and 1stSgt are very distinct career paths; the MSgt gets promoted to MGySgt, while the 1stSgt gets promoted to SgtMaj. These ranks are entirely different in their roles relating to leadership (admin vs operational); they are also entirely different in their appearance (a diamond vs crossed rifles, and a star vs a bursting bomb).

I have never known a Marine Corps 1st Sgt to get their panties in a twist for being called a Top, but it is something I just wouldn't do. Of course, as a young lad, I was told to ask the 1st Shirt if the PRC-E8 needed batteries... Ahhh... Good times.

Response by PFC Sandra Wade made Jan 16 at 2018 8:48 PM

PFC Sandra Wade — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 20:48:47 -0500

Does not bother me.. can not imagine why it would bother anyone. Higher rank or lower. It's just something that comes with the position.

Response by Sgt Schuyler Rossi made Jan 16 at 2018 10:40 PM

Sgt Schuyler Rossi — Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:40:18 -0500

First off this article should not include both the Army and Marines. They are two separate branches with very different customs. Second you must always respect the rank I understand that it's part of having military discipline, but if a Marine Master Sgt or an Army 1st Sgt doesnt like being called Top then I would hope they would advise those around them that it is not acceptable. End of story. But side note if your that big of a dick you prolly won't have many conversations with your men anyway.

Response by Sgt James Sheffield made Jan 17 at 2018 7:24 AM

Sgt James Sheffield — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 07:24:44 -0500

We always called Gunnery Sergeants “Top”
I don’t recall ever calling my First Sergeant this.

Response by SSgt W. Aaron Gregory made Jan 17 at 2018 9:56 AM

SSgt W. Aaron Gregory — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:56:10 -0500

Marines are taught from day one to call their NCOs and SNCOs by their full, proper rank. So, when you don’t, its a problem. Phrases like “sarge” and “top” are Army terms. This is not a new trend. Its at least decades old.

Response by MSgt Robert Geigle made Jan 17 at 2018 10:02 AM

MSgt Robert Geigle — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:02:02 -0500

Well never a 1st Sgt. but a MSgt. Called Top all the time. Did not bother me in the least. As I was air wing my whole time in our Squadron Sgt.Maj. was always addressed as Sergeant Major even by the troop's. I suspect if any air wing unit had a 1st Sgt. they would be addressed the same First Sergeant.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Jan 17 at 2018 4:45 PM

SFC Greg Bruorton — Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:45:26 -0500

I join the majority of replies in that "Top" is an appropriate term in casual settings, but not in formation or in formal gatherings.

When I served as the NCOIC (E7) in the Special Security Detachment, 2nd Inf Div, my CO and the XO (both captains), referred to me as "Top." I never took exception to the name given as I knew it was given in respect.

As for addressing a staff sergeant or a master sergeant it was simply "Sergeant" unless issuing written orders.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2018 5:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:35:00 -0500

When I was in the Army, TOP always referred to the TOP Sargent in that unit, or the commanding Sargent. With that said, 1st. Sargent of a company, CSM of battalion were the TOP.
With Respect, "TOP SARGENT, and they were all proud to command.

Response by SSG Michael Scott made Feb 2 at 2018 8:41 PM

SSG Michael Scott — Fri, 02 Feb 2018 20:41:51 -0500

Oh, please, get rid of the offensive BS and deal with the suck.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Feb 5 at 2018 4:21 PM

SMSgt Jeff Kyle — Mon, 05 Feb 2018 16:21:39 -0500

While in the Marine Corps, we called MSgt’s “Top”. Gunnery Sgt’s were “Gunny”. I was assigned to a MAG and we didn’t have any First Sgt’s. We did have SgtMaj’s and they were always addressed as “Sgt Major”. Flash forward 20 years. I joined the Air Force and achieved the rank of SMSgt (Senior Master Sgt), E-8. Most troops addressed me as “Sgt” or “Senior”, which I was okay with. ”Top”, in my world view, is a MSgt in the Marine Corps, paygrade E-8. Those who tried to call me “Top”, I corrected them, indicating Top is a Marine Corps title, not Air Force. Call me Senior Master Sgt, Sgt or Senior. These are Air Force titles. I did not earn the privilege to be called Top as I left the Marines as a Cpl. Most of the Airman assigned with understood my feeling on the matter. What anyone else does, regardless of service, is up to the individual.

Response by LCpl Zach Schwarz made Feb 8 at 2018 11:36 AM

LCpl Zach Schwarz — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 11:36:56 -0500

In the Corps I know many master sergeants who went by top. Never a first sergeant tho.

Response by Maj Larry Carmon made Feb 10 at 2018 10:54 PM

Maj Larry Carmon — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:54:17 -0500

The term “Top Sgt” & “Top Kick,” predates a great majority of us. I was an active duty Marine for over 28 years, retired in 2003. When you get back in the early part of the 20th century and before, you’ll find these terms, in Army and Marine Corps. Not a big deal folks.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2018 9:16 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:16:14 -0500

For the most part, our First Sergeants were amazing - great soldiers and even better people. It never even occurred to me that my calling them "Top" could be offensive until I read this RP post. I always considered it to be a term of respect and I used it when in a less formal situation. If I went to his (or her) office, for example, and reported something to him or asked a question, I'd quickly refer to him as "Top" and ask my question or make my report. If others were around, I'd use First Sergeant. I never referred to any CSM or any MSG without the diamond as "Top". I admit that the term can be used with a little too much familiarity, so I'd only use it sparingly and only after he or she had gotten to know me somewhat.

Response by LTC Edward Ledford made Feb 17 at 2018 7:51 AM

LTC Edward Ledford — Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:51:16 -0500

I've never heard of it being offensive. We called our First Sergeant "Top" to his or her face. We also referred to them as First Sergeant. It was interchangeable. I think calling the First Sergeant "Top" is more of a term of endearment, respectful familiarity . . . I wouldn't have called the First Sergeant "Top" if he or she wasn't a good First Sergeant. In fact, a fellow soldier who could tell HILARIOUS stories told of how his First Sergeant was so bad they called him "Bottom." You have to hear him tell it. I was rolling in the floor . . . well, not literally . . . but my sides did hurt.

Response by CW2 Stephen Pate made Feb 19 at 2018 8:23 PM

CW2 Stephen Pate — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:23:36 -0500

I've always heard Top stood for Trainer of Personnel

Response by MSG Tom Behan made Mar 4 at 2018 12:13 PM

MSG Tom Behan — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 12:13:35 -0500

It's offensive to some because they are allowed to live a democracy. The military is not a democracy it is a way of life. For them to live the system that they signed up for. Why is top called top. What a question. They are the top dog. The top of the food chain. They are you food finance and family. They are the top backbone in your company. They are the Top NCO. They are the TOP lead by example. They are the top of BE KNOW DO. They are the commanders right hand. The commanders enforcer. It is a time honored name. It is a title well earned. It is a title if respect. Hell the company commander usually chooses top to train and leans the new LTs. Even gives top more power than LTs. They are TOP. You don't like it,. Then you need to escuse yourself from the military and respect it live it and like it. They have earned it. They are the best.

Response by MSG Tom Behan made Mar 4 at 2018 1:00 PM

MSG Tom Behan — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 13:00:02 -0500

In the Army the MSG in not TOP or 1SG. The MSG the senior tech and tach soldier/leader in their skilled profession. A MSG can become a 1SG. In most cases they do or have. There is nothing saying that the senior NCO is not as skilled as a 1SG. In some cases they are. Because of the command position the 1SG holds,, he is senior to a MSG That may be under their assignment. Like a sustainment brigade. It is very rare for a 1SG to be assigned to a MSG. This may take place with a detachment or special duty where the MSG is is in charge of the location. Example would be ammunition detail at an ASP. The 1SG would be in change of the detail, but they would take all guidance and orders from the MSG because he is the senior NCO in their profession.

Response by SPC David Dougherty made Mar 4 at 2018 4:45 PM

SPC David Dougherty — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 16:45:09 -0500

Big

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2018 8:24 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Mar 2018 20:24:51 -0500

Because we live in Snowflake land. If historical tradition offends you then you should never be in the military, this is often the basis of our mission and decorum.

Response by SFC Rich Bright made Mar 23 at 2018 5:30 AM

SFC Rich Bright — Fri, 23 Mar 2018 05:30:18 -0400

When I served under a 1SGT I respected, as one of his NCO's I called em Top, shows respect and honor as the guy who ran the company.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Mar 25 at 2018 7:41 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Sun, 25 Mar 2018 19:41:35 -0400

Sp4 Byron Skinner. Looking at this question I see another and perhaps more serious question and that is are thing getting to cozy. Between the Ranks (E-1 to E-4) and NCO's Back in the day when the ranks referred to an NCO it was not is such familiar terms. Often the references and nick name that were never used outside the barracks was not complimentary. In was a two sided relationship, telling a Pvt or SPC to pull their heads out of their ass as an individual or a groups was basically common communications from the top down. It worked back then.

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Mar 27 at 2018 9:29 AM

Sgt Charles Welling — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:29:39 -0400

Can't speak for the Army, can for the Marine Corps: The United States Marine Corps is a deadly serious war fighting organization. As such, they have a very special mission and an illustrious history. Many want to argue the obvious, mostly the Army whose officers have several times in history wanted to disband the Marine Corps and allow the Army to take the role. The silliness of the effort is that once the Army is trained for the role............... they have a unit of marines. The first sergeant and/or sergeant major rank(s) are unique positions with broad responsibilities including advising the CO. As a military unit and especially a special mission unit requiring quick response and unit discipline, do you really want to minimize the roles by allowing "nick name" ranks that smack of disrespect and laxness? I think not and NEVER heard it done during my tour as a Marine with the following exception and true story: Captain: "Top, you have a phone call in the office." SgtMaj: "What was that Lt?" Captain: "I am a Captain." StgMaj: "And I am a Sergeant Major and you will call me Sergeant Major, do you understand Captain?" Captain: "Yes, SgtMaj." SgtMaj walks into the office and a muffled chuckle followed among the Marines present.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Apr 2 at 2018 11:46 AM

SSG Brian Carpenter — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 11:46:52 -0400

I had "Tops" and I've had 1SG's. Generally a Top is a more connected to the troops leader. 1SG's ir rather the ones who get offended by top have always been a little uptight. Had one who always said smoking was a sign of poor leadership but his first day in country he was smoking at the shave sink. I just smiled and said good morning Top bwahahaha

Response by SSgt Vern Hoke made Apr 3 at 2018 4:58 PM

SSgt Vern Hoke — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:58:50 -0400

During my time in the Corps, 1976-1992, I never called a 1stSgt Top, ever. Our tradition or protocol was to refer to them as 1stSgt or a Sergeant Major as Sergeant Major. In fact everyone above the rank of Sergeant, E5, is addressed by their full rank. So a Staff Sergeant, E6, is called Staff Sergeant, a Gunnery Sergeant is called Gunnery Sergeant or "Gunny", a Master Sergeant is called Master Sergeant or "Top", a 1stSgt is 1stSgt, a Master Gunnery Sergeant is called Master Gunnery Sergeant, Master Guns or "Top" and a SgtMaj is a SgtMaj. I know the Army calls most everyone above the rank of Sgt, Staff Sergeant and Sergeant First Class, are called Sgt. Master Sergeants and First Sergeants are called "Top". I don't know of anyone who would call a SGM or CSM "Top".

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made Apr 3 at 2018 7:59 PM

SP5 Jeannie Carle — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 19:59:06 -0400

I never had a 1SG in any unit I was in that I "respected" enough to call Top. My now-ex-husband's 1SG in his BCT training unit was ALWAYS "top" to me, in uniform or out. That's how much respect as a person AND as a 1SG I had for him.

Response by SGT Darryl Dykes made Apr 12 at 2018 1:15 PM

SGT Darryl Dykes — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:15:48 -0400

I always addressed my First Sargent with the respect he had earned. Yes First Sargent!

Response by 1stSgt Paul Roberson made Apr 12 at 2018 1:45 PM

1stSgt Paul Roberson — Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:45:29 -0400

I was a First Sergeant for 7 years. I was informed by the people I work with that Top, Shirt was a term used because of their respect for me. I was told the ones that weren't respected were referred by their tank and last name. I always like being called top or shirt and still am addressed this way by the people who know me.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2018 4:22 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 25 Apr 2018 04:22:16 -0400

I was never a First Sergeant or Master Sergeant because I was a former Gunnery Sergeant prior to my appointment to Warrant Officer in the Marine Corps. But my peers who were either of these ranks were highly respected and professionals in my opinion.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2022 1:14 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:14:04 -0400

1SG's do not do Art. 15. That is a commander's tool, and must be conducted by a commander. A 1SG could counsel at the direction of the commander, but this has been a reason for NJP's getting tossed.