In your opinion, should there be a Federal Law concerning Concealed Carry of firearms so all states are on the same sheet of music?

2017-07-24T09:15:44-04:00

I know some states do not require a CCW Permit, I think this would infringe upon them (or not). Do you think it is a doable thing?

Response by SGT Edward Wilcox made Jul 24 at 2017 9:17 AM

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No, I think the states should be allowed to set their own standards. If there were a federal law concerning CCW, it would need to be in line with the more stricter states.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 9:18 AM

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Yes.

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Jul 24 at 2017 9:19 AM

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Either way, it would become a 10th Amendment issue.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 9:21 AM

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They only way I see this happening is if it pertains only to military/law enforcement. Some states have huge gun issues and alot of laws while others don't. Getting the states to effectively give up their ability to regulate who gets guns and who doesn't won't be in their best interest and they won't let a bill like that pass.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 9:22 AM

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SGT Private RallyPoint Member good to see you, brother! A program like this would be optimal, but I don't know if it would ever come to fruition due each state wanting to have different rules for their CCW. I know that it used to be here, in MO, if we cross the border to IL, it does not reciprocate & we can get in trouble.
The police academy I went to back in 2004 was a federal program. The idea behind it was to get all new police officers to have the same basic training, and then the cities could tweak to their liking when they got to their depts. The program folded due to too many states wanting to adjust the training that was supposed to be the same for all. The funding got cut instead of fighting out the good fight.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 9:38 AM

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I think it can be done, each state regulates its Drivers Licensing program, but there is a law stating that all the other states must respect it (though there is some friction right now with the states that do not comply with the Real ID Act)... there is a Federal law that states that if you are a Peace Officer in one state that all other states will accept it (as in you can carry armed and if necessary effect an arrest)... I would think that a minimum standard could be set and then make sure that its enforced.

The problem will be with states like CA and NY where they have empowered the local sheriff and they demand that a person prove a "need" for one, not just the right to carry one.

I am definitely on board with a licensing program that includes a background check before you go an carry concealed.

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Jul 24 at 2017 10:17 AM

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I think we should be able to protect ourselves legally in all 50 states and this is one way to do it. I do not need to carry all the time and do not however the bad guys know I have the ability to do so. Inner city Chicago the bad guys know the only people that presents them a threat is law enforcement. To answer directly, yes there should be a Federal Law backing the 2nd amendment in all states (even though there should not be a need.)

Response by Maj John Bell made Jul 24 at 2017 10:37 AM

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It may not be a good analogy, but... I know that the applicable laws for driving are not identical in each state. Each state recognizes my drivers license, but it is still incumbent upon me to make sure that I follow the rules of the state in which I am driving.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Jul 24 at 2017 10:44 AM

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SGT Private RallyPoint Member I am a big fan of constitutional carry. IF a person is not banned from legally owning a firearm, then how they choose to carry it is up to them. As with anything, it is the burden of the individual to be responsible. If the person carrying does so in an irresponsible way, then they deal with the consequences.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jul 24 at 2017 11:12 AM

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Yes.

Response by CW3 Harvey K. made Jul 24 at 2017 11:13 AM

2017-07-24T11:13:06-04:00

There already is a Federal law that “tells states what they have to do” about who they must allow to carry a gun.
It is known as LEOSA, or the “Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act”. All states are required to honor a police officer's right to be armed, including retired officers who maintain their weapon qualification, no matter what state they are from.
It is not such a big step to have the same type of Federal law apply to holders of a CCW.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 11:51 AM

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Well the SCOTUS already ruled for Same-sex Marriage in every state based on the equal protection clause (a stretch in my opinion, I am not against gay marriage I just don't like the way it was done interpreting the Constitution that way and legislating from the bench).

At any rate, based on that standard which could now be considered "case law" if a majority of the states allow for CCW (or don't require it) then it seems to me now that should be translated to every other state. Same goes for the legality of specific weapons types.

Of course, certain people would try to block such a thing, but in reality, we already have forms of this already, such as for Law Enforcement nation-wide with the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA).

Response by SMSgt Thor Merich made Jul 24 at 2017 11:53 AM

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Honestly, I am torn on this one. On one hand, I would like to see consistent CCW laws that include mandatory training and recertification. But on the other hand, I am big believer of States rights. But I am not a fan of those very restrictive states than severely limit a citizens right to obtain a CCW.

Response by CWO3 Dennis M. made Jul 24 at 2017 1:34 PM

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No, it would not work in a State such as Vermont where they have a state constitution that addresses gun ownership which covers CC in that NO Permit required for any gun ownership and no permit for CC! I am sure Vermont would not be alone in that any federal attempt to control CC or even require a permit to Carry would be a violation of States Rights.

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Jul 24 at 2017 2:16 PM

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It's on its way. National reciprocity of concealed carry has been attempted several times already, and it is in the process of being introduced again. It has two things going for it now that it didn't have before. One, of course, is a President who will sign the bill. Two is the recent shooting of Republican Congressmen, after which there began a movement to allow Congressmen to carry wherever they happen to be. If Congressmen vote for that, they will appear elitist if they don't also vote for national reciprocity.

Response by SPC Johnney Abbott made Jul 24 at 2017 2:29 PM

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It should be standardized like a drivers license. You don't need one for each state, why should I have to have multiple ccl?

Response by SSgt Rob Millard made Jul 24 at 2017 2:31 PM

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I'm personally not aware of any stayes that allow concealed carry without a permit. There are a number of states that allow open carry, but not concealed.
I strongly believe there should be a national standard for concealed carry. It's quite difficult to travel the United States as a concealed carry permitted person only to get stopped in some state like New York and discovered you had violated a specific provision of their law or in fact they just don't honor that particular state's permit.

Response by SP5 Rich Levesque made Jul 24 at 2017 2:32 PM

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Retired LEO's do not have that problem since they carry per LEOSA in all 50 states. Have to qual every year with that particular weapon but worth it. On aircraft, the weapon rides in the belly baggage. I have a TSA approved container for it. So far I have been to 6 states and never had a problem. As for those not LEO, I think they should be able to do the same thing with appropriate training and certification. So it makes sense to me. Aircraft??? In belly baggage like I have to do. This, I guarantee with be a hot button issue!

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jul 24 at 2017 3:50 PM

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There is about four threads on this reciprocity issue. About 3/4ths of the responders favor national reciprocity.

Response by SPC Kirby Rider made Jul 24 at 2017 4:45 PM

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I think there states should have reciprocity agreements in order to issue CCW permits. It is ridiculous that as an Oregon resident, I need to obtain an out-of-state permit from neighboring state in order to carry when traveling to that other state. This type of permit should be treated as a drivers license, and should be accepted in other states without question.

Response by Cadet 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 5:46 PM

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Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jul 24 at 2017 5:56 PM

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I believe there should be a Federal reciprocity law, so that concealed carry from one state is good in all states.

Response by LTC Marc King made Jul 24 at 2017 6:59 PM

2017-07-24T18:59:14-04:00

Yes!

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Jul 24 at 2017 7:21 PM

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SGT Private RallyPoint Member IDK. a uniformed law across all states would eliminate confusion so many state whose laws differ.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2017 8:37 PM

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Negative, each state has its own set of social circumstances that would make such a law ineffective and even dangerous.

Response by MSgt Cayle Harris made Jul 24 at 2017 9:12 PM

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I live in a Constitutional carry state, so I don't require a permit to carry in my state. However, they offer a permit just for reciprocity with other states.
I wish I didn't have to have a permit anywhere, but I'm willing to get one if it would allow me to carry throughout the country.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jul 25 at 2017 9:13 AM

2017-07-25T09:13:07-04:00

I would prefer Both....kind of.
I think the states should be implementing the Carry law, but I think they MUST implement a carry law that does not infringe on the citizens 2nd amendment rights.
If a state refuses to pass a carry law or writes it in such a way it infringes on the citizens 2nd amendment rights, then the Feds step in and force the issue by force of law if need be. Only have to convict and jail a few state governors and representatives to get the message across. Oh and any state that fails to implementing a Carry law that does not infringe on the citizens 2nd amendment rights will be stripped of any and all security details weapons. NO firearms will be allowed to be carried for their protection. No police details, no privet security, no "friends" that are armed and just always hanging around.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2017 9:14 AM

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should work like a drivers license

Response by LTC Thomas Tennant made Jul 25 at 2017 9:51 AM

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“Conceal Carry Reciprocity” has becoming the “silent” hot button issue of the year. Silent because the main stream media (MSM) had not taken notice of it and this under reporting has kept the liberal loonies focused on “Russia, Russia, Russia” and their opposition of all things Trump. Along with the “Hearing Protection Act” it has slowly gathered the vote necessary to see it on the President’s desk by the end of this legislative season.

In theory, if properly written it will not infringe on the “Constitutional Carry” states who do not issue CCDW permits. The concept is that if you can legally carry in your home state, you should be able to carry legally in any state that issues CCDW. The problem is all states are not govern equally….and thank God for that. Also, you cannot expect the beat cop to be well versed in the gun laws of their own state much less yours. Then again, never underestimate some of the liberal progressive State’s Attorneys or Attorney Generals (AGs) to make life interesting for those of the “responsibly armed” community.

So that is why it is imperative that the individual CCDW Licensed carrier research the state laws of the states you are visiting and even driving through. For me, I simply call my USCCA (US Concealed Carry Association) help desk or at least visit their web site. A SHAMLESS PUG: If you carry, you need a USCCA membership. Like AAA is to automobiles, it is a nationwide support and insurance organization for the “responsibly armed citizen.”

Finally, in all honesty, this fight for our 2nd Amendment rights will never end as long as there is a Michael Bloomberg or George Soros having the money to push their anti-gun agendas. One of Founding Fathers said so well, “The price of liberty requires constant vigilance.”

Response by SSgt Holden M. made Jul 25 at 2017 10:52 AM

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I like the idea of the constitutional carry but at the same time I think everybody should be required to go through some kind of weapons safety class. Like in the state of Pennsylvania I'm not sure if it was just for youth hunting permits or not but you had/have to go through a hunters safety course. I would love there to be a federal concealed law/permit just like drivers licenses, because I live in Pennsylvania right on the boarder of PA and NY and of course NY is crazy strict on their fire arms laws in general but i have a PA concealed carry permit but if I go to the next town over which is in NY I have to make sure I don't have my weapon on me because NY doesn't recognize PA or most any other states concealed carry permit for that matter.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jul 25 at 2017 1:07 PM

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If, and I say IF the Feds were to enact a law that required nothing but a background check and a local laws written test, I could support that ......hold on to your hat SGT Private RallyPoint Member I could support that GUN CONTROL measure ...LOL

But Id prefer to see states enact a CC law that is a must issue type and does not infringe on all persons rights to protect them selfs with a firearm.

Response by MSgt Roger Settlemyer made Jul 25 at 2017 4:36 PM

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No. If it's become the Law The liberals of this country will ruin it. They will take away your right to have a Concealed Carry. Trust Me when the Liberal Sentors and Congress women of California get ahold of this the will destroy it.

Response by SGT Steve Hines-Saich B.S. M.S. Cybersecurity made Jul 25 at 2017 8:10 PM

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I think Warrant Officers fill this void currently. Maybe these technical special would be best utilized if coached and developed by warrants. This strategy would be highly effective for cyber, intel, and medical positions.

Response by MSG David Johnson made Jul 26 at 2017 12:43 PM

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I believe 100% in a Federal carry permit. There are classes now for the Utah Permit which has reciprocity with 30? states. It varies what list you look at, or who you talk with.
I was buying a pistol and was asked for my CCW, I offered my Utah permit, the seller asked if I had my home state permit, as it's a requirement to have the Utah permit, I handed over my home state permit. I asked the reason, if only using the Utah permit there is a 5 day wait while they check with Utah.
The class I took was an 8 hour class of instruction, along with a couple rounds of shooting to include a stress shoot.
The qualification shoot was the same as Ohio's, as Ohio was the strictest for qualifying.
If there ever is a Federal Permit I think that law makers would try to make it so difficult it would be ridiculously hard to be about useless to even try to take the course.

Response by SPC Tom Clark made Jul 26 at 2017 12:45 PM

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IMHO: the 2nd admendment of our Constitution allows citizens to bear arm, without any infringement. States can not infringe upon our right to bear arms, place barriers, nor restrictions on our right to bear arms. The Constitution is not so complicated that only judges and/or polititians can interpret it. So, any judge, politician, or civil employee can imply it means something other than what is written. IMHO, any one who does....has to go!

Response by Capt Hansel Bumgarner made Jul 26 at 2017 1:52 PM

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Since the laws concerning the justifiable use of deadly force can vary widely from state to state, I believe there must be some basic vetting system. Right now we have a variety of reciprocity laws for a wide variety of licenses. Many have pointed out those concerning drivers licenses. At this moment, my state of NC is floating a bill in the Legislature to allow concealed carry without a permit. As a firearms trainer with a private contract security company, a concealed carry instructor and a concealed carry permit holder for almost 30 years, I can tell you there is a lot of misinformation out there concerning the use of deadly force. Mr. They Say gets around a lot and sure gives out some really bad advice. My permit is accepted by 32 other states. Before traveling to such states, I make sure to do a little research on their laws for CC and use of force. While some states might have similar laws on the use of such force, we know the politicians from those states will fight tooth and nail to prevent anyone from carrying there. Gov Cuomo has publicly stated that his state would accept a national reciprocity "over my dead body". You can easily name a dozen prominent DC Democrats who will admit the same.

The issue of a national reciprocity law for CC is not going to be resolved anytime soon. Democrats will do everything in their power to stop it, especially in light of their present "Resist" mantra.

In addition, I have no confidence in the Republican leadership in Congress to press the issue.

Response by Sarah Zayas made Jul 26 at 2017 4:40 PM

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Response by Sgt Robert J. Rudd made Jul 26 at 2017 4:46 PM

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I think all states should have that reciprocal law in force

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jul 27 at 2017 11:59 AM

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Absolutely. I had to get fingerprinted and go through a federal background check to get my Arizona CWP (Concealed Weapon Permit). The firearm safety course was waived due to my veteran status (as verified by my DD-214).

So my Arizona driver's license is recognized in all 50 states. Yes I'm still responsible for following driving laws in all states. My marriage is also recognized in all 50 states, even though I was married in California.

So if two things which aren't Constitutionally affirmed (driving and marriage) are recognized federally, why is my right to keep and bear arms being infringed? In other states that don't recognized my Arizona CWP that is.

Response by SSG Jimmy Cernich made Jul 27 at 2017 4:06 PM

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The whole UNITED STATES SHOULD BE ON THE SAME PAGE YES.

Response by CPO Glenn Moss made Jul 28 at 2017 9:18 AM

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There IS a federal law. The proscription against the federal government (and later recognized as applying to all the states) is written into the Second Amendment.

The goal should be to get everybody on the same page with the existing statute(s), not necessarily to create MORE statutes to add to the 22,000-plus already on the books with respect to gun control.

Response by PO1 Mike Dean made Jul 28 at 2017 9:30 AM

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At one time, some states did not require a driver's license either. Yes, there should be a Federal reciprocity law the same as the one that requires states to recognize drivers licenses. It is true that requirements to obtain a CCW vary from state to state. But then so does a drivers license. Of course, there are those who are pro-gun who even argue the point that a state has no right to license or restrict open carry for something guaranteed by the Second Amendment. BTW, drivers licenses are not guaranteed by the Constitution or it's amendments. I'm as pro-gun as any. But I do recognize the need for at least minimal training governing the use of deadly force since laws on that vary slightly from state to state in the same fashion as traffic laws. A CCW permit with a training session helps provide that. A little common sense goes a long way.

Response by SPC Tom Clark made Aug 3 at 2017 3:50 PM

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Concealed carry is a fundamental right granted by the 2nd Admendment; and shall not be infringed. Federal law supercedes state law; so one federal licence should be accepted in all 50. IMHO

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made Aug 8 at 2017 10:31 AM

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I started my law enforcement career as a deputy sheriff and I was assigned to work with my sergeant issuing licenses to carry firearms and frankly everyone who applied was so damned boring that we would run them the National Crime Information System and we would get down to parking tickets in order to find a “hit”. You people are so damned law abiding it is a joke!!

Response by Capt Dwayne Conyers made Aug 22 at 2017 12:03 PM

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Tell that to Philando Castile. He informed a police officer that he had licensed carry, then was shot multiple times for pulling out his wallet.

Response by SSG Michael West made Aug 23 at 2017 9:34 PM

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yes it should be like the drivers license but states like NY and CA would have a fit and say that their right as states would be violated .