Iran nuclear deal is finalized - What does this mean to the Iranian people?

LTC John Shaw — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:04:34 -0400

Congrats! Let's assume that Congress will approve. Don't make your answer about domestic politics, but a chance for peace with Iran. The deal is done, what does this mean to the Iranian people?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-world-powers-reach-nuclear-deal [login to see]

Iran, World Powers Reach Nuclear Deal

Iran reached a landmark nuclear agreement with the U.S. and five other world powers, a long-sought foreign policy goal of the Obama administration that sets the White House on course for months of political strife with dissenters in Congress and in allied Middle Eastern nations.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Jul 14 at 2015 9:09 AM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:09:16 -0400

I don't think it will be ratified and I also do not believe that Iran will follow the agreement.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jul 14 at 2015 9:13 AM

SCPO David Lockwood — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:13:22 -0400

They now have the means to make a nuclear weapon!

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Jul 14 at 2015 9:29 AM

COL Jon Thompson — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:29:28 -0400

Will it change the life of Iranian people? I would be surprised if it did. For the regime, they will continue to spread terrorism and I would bet continue to do a covert nuclear program. I hope I am wrong but I don't have confidence in our leaders to make a deal that is anything more than a legacy item for Obama. Personally, I think it makes the world less safe for the Iranians, the Israelis, and the world.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 9:32 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:32:07 -0400

Probably nothing as long as they have a dictoator running the country.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 10:08 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:08:51 -0400

I'm going to listen to //video.foxnews.com/v/ [login to see] 001/#sp=watch-live
I will let you know how I feel afterwards. From what I have heard, it is a fast track to a nuclear weapon.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 10:56 AM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:56:26 -0400

I don't think it will help the people in the long run. Once the infrastructure is in place and the people become accustomed to a better quality of life, it will be used as a means of control.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jul 14 at 2015 11:54 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:54:22 -0400

Two things come out of this: One I hope a better relations ship with the people of Iran, as I doubt the leadership will change their opinion of any time soon.

The other is a far worse scenario. Back during the Bush Administration UN Weapons Inspector Hans Blix said that Iran was years possibly a decade away from building a nuclear bomb. I thought Hans Blix is a fool, some of you may ask why. In my civilian life at that time I was had worked as a Weapons for Mass Destruction for EMS. I wnet around the country teaching first responders about treating patients exposed to certain agents. I have read worked with a lot of stuff, and have had the unique experience of being taught by some of the best people on this stuff. So lets look at some simple facts. In 1939 A. Einstein convinces then President Roosevelt to move forward with construction of the Atomic Bomb. These men did not have computers, they used slide rulers. Time to complte from scratch? Less than 5 years. The Nth Country Experiment, In 1964 Lawrence Livermore Laboratory took two new PHD physicists, and working alone without access to anying information develop a paper on building a bomb. It took them roughly three years. Granted there was no construction process involved, but again no computers involved, they developed, unknowingly a bomb that would have rivaled the one dropped on Hiroshima. A borderline failing student at Rutgers built a model bomb for and had it promptly taken away by the FBI. That was in the 1970's.

So my question is, with back door technology from China, North Korea, and Pakistan, does anyone actually believe our "friends" will abide by any of this?

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Jul 14 at 2015 12:03 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:03:26 -0400

Personally, I think there's a long game being played here. We absolutely can not trust the ruling council. They have held power by playing certain political games that need a great enemy in the West.

HOWEVER, they're old. The next guys in line are not as hard line. Much of the secular side of the government is Western trained, less interested in keeping the status quo and do not appear all that interested in military strength as much as economic. The youth in the cities are, by all reports, a whole different animal, very interested in re-engaging the outside world and chafing under the rage of those that remember the Shah.

Iran hates us for good reason, but most of the ones that actually suffered under the Western-backed Shah are dead or dying. The long-standing and obviously ineffective policy towards engaging Iran through sanctions and back channels is probably creating as many problems as it is preventing. This could be good, BUT we must be ready to put the hammer down if Iran starts playing games ala Saddam/NK.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 12:23 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:23:08 -0400

Please, someone help me understand why this is a good idea?

Response by COL Ted Mc made Jul 14 at 2015 1:35 PM

COL Ted Mc — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:35:37 -0400

LTC John Shaw - Colonel; Can I reserve my opinion at least until the actual text of the deal has been released and the US government approved it?

If the US government DOES NOT approve a deal which APPEARS (acting on insufficient information) to have given the US everything it could legitimately hope to achieve, then the result on the Iranian people is going to be a whole lot different that it will be if the US government DOES approve the deal.

At this stage, I'm not prepared to bet a dime on the deal being approved by the Republicans - after all, it wasn't negotiated by a Republican and it would be inconceivable for the Republicans to allow a Democrat to actually achieve anything in the year+ leading up to a Presidential Election.

PS, a "cost free" link that gives some of the details is

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/14/politics/iran-nuclear-deal/

Landmark deal reached on Iran nuclear program - CNNPolitics.com

After arduous talks that spanned 20 months, negotiators have reached a landmark deal aimed at reining in Iran's nuclear program.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 4:35 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:35:05 -0400

Interesting, I bet with the sanctions lifted and US dollars pouring in all the mullahs will come out of the woodwork for their piece of the pie. As for the common folk? They will get discounts on cell phones. But what will change for the US soldier should be the question?

Response by SGT Kellie Schmaus made Jul 15 at 2015 1:15 AM

SGT Kellie Schmaus — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:15:00 -0400

Sorry but its a bad idea cause they still chant death to america

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jul 15 at 2015 1:26 AM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:26:18 -0400

What was telling about how bad of a negotiator Kerry is. He asked that the four Americans being held in an Iranian prison be released. This was after the treaty was signed sealed and deliverd. I'm sure the Iranians are still laughing.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2015 3:23 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 03:23:58 -0400

It is a win for for free trade. Iran has a GDP per capital of around 5000 which is higher than Vietnam (1700) or Egypt (3400). It is a super threat to America if they get nuclear weapons. But, it is an attractive emerging market for companies like Coke, Apple, Lulu lemon, McDonalds, Boeing, or 7-11. I think economic trade is a good strategy for peace in the middle east and more feasible than people think. German company Siemans has a contract with Egyptian government. Saudi Arabia opened its stock market. Kazakhstan joins the WTO. Trade is better than the nuclear apocalypse.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/siemens-signs-9-billion-power-plant-deal-with-egypt [login to see]

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/07/forget-borat-wto-puts-kazakhstan-on-map.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabias-590-billion-stock-market-opens-to-foreign-investors [login to see]

Siemens Signs $9 Billion Power-Plant Deal With Egypt

German engineering company to build gas and wind power plants for Egypt, in what it describes as the largest single order in the firm’s history.