Posted on Aug 20, 2016
CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Is the scope of responsibility roughly the same for these two ranks? I don't really understand what a Lance Corporal would equate to in the Army.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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Yes & no.

We promote to NCO (Cpl = E4) from the LCpl grade, whereas the Army promotes to NCO (almost always SGT = E5) from Specialist. We don't have the same NCO/Non-NCO divide (either with Split Grade or Transition to next rank). Our expectations tend to be "different" as well. We have no problem putting a Non-NCO in charge, based on seniority or capability.

The idea of a "Senior LCpl" (positional authority based on TIG) is a very real thing for us. Just because someone is not wearing "hard stripes" doesn't mean we won't treat them like they are.

Additionally, because our promotion system is generally 1 rank down from the Army, combined with Billet T/O structure being the same, we start applying more leadership development earlier. USMC E2-E3 (PFC & LCpl) are "automatic" where Cpl & Sgt are "statistical" (based on an Objective Composite Score system) and all others are "Formal Board" at the HQMC level. The Army parallels that at E1-4 being "automatic," SGT & SSG being "statistical" (with Less formal Board at unit level) and all others being Formal Board at Army level. It is not uncommon for LCpl to be the "terminal" rank within the USMC just as Specialist is for the Army.

So "functionally" they can be viewed very similarly with likely more authority & responsibility on the LCpl side, and "philosophically" they are much farther apart. We just treat the transition process differently, even though we promote similarly.
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PO3 Bob McCord
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I think a lot depends on the circumstances and what your rating/MOS/ branch of service your in. I know that as an E-4 PO3 Boatswains Mate I had way more responsibility at sea and "in country" than I would have had on a base. Or even aboard ship if I was a yeoman or a cook. But I also recognize the fact that there has to be some sort of chain of command system.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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As an E-3 in the Army, I had several duty positions in the E-5 and E-6 range. This continued when I was an E-4.
This applied across three different MOS fields - none of which were infantry.
I was far from the only one in such positions.
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LCpl Emanuel W.
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When I was on active duty (94-98), I was told that both PFC & LCPL were "automatic". That was true only for PFC! To get to LCPL, one had to be recommended for promotion to E-3. Standards had to be met before being recommended to E-3, and no matter how much I've met them, there was a new roadblock and hurdle for me to jump. And no, I wasn't a sh*tbird Marine! I acquired a knee injury and had problems with running ever since. Every time I improve, my company would set the bar higher or give me an excuse on why they "can't" promote me. At least my Shop SNCO was honest with me! he straight up told me that he didn't like me and wouldn't recommend me to LCPL.
But all of that just served as ammunition against them and not me. I got my promotion, but my company saw to it that no matter how well I did, and the many times I've met the cutting score for CPL, I would not see it. Karma got them in the end, from what I was told from a friend that stayed and made it to E-7.
Some Marines may have been lucky to get to LCPL automatically, but others had to go through hell to get theirs.
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LCpl DV Shawn Lucas Whitehead
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I got out of the corps as a E-3.. and I had a billet and had more time in then any of the cpl in my shot and my unit for the most part.. even though I was still a lance I had the respect of my piers because I knew my MOS better then the E-4's
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I would say mostly yes. It is one rank below becoming an NCO. Also, although it's an E-3 and a Specialist is an E-4, Marines are ahead of Army peers in terms of rank responsibility. In the Marines an E-5 is an Infantry Squad Leader, in the Army it's an E-6. In the Marines an E-6 is a Platoon Sergeant, in the Army it's an E-7, etc. So Marines are one pay grade ahead in responsibility. For this reason, and the fact that it's the last non-NCO rank, I would say a Marine Lance Corporal and an Army Specialist can be viewed as similar. They will often also have similar time in service since Marines promote more slowly as well.
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I know many Lances that are salty about Army Spc getting E-4 pay when they're pretty much the same
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SP5 Peter Keane
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Cpl (Join to see) - NO, one is an E3, one is an E4. If being "salty" is a problem, should have joined the Army
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SSgt Joseph Baptist
SSgt Joseph Baptist
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Cpl (Join to see) - If they are getting "salty" about their career choice, then someone needs to remind them that they chose to be Marines, with all that entails, and they should stop crying about it.

Sounds like someone needs to call a WaaambuLanceCpl.
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MGySgt Ernest Murray
MGySgt Ernest Murray
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As a Lance Corporal in Vietnam I was awarded along with my crossed rifles a FireTeam to lead. Corporals were squad leaders and carried the M79.
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Cpl Connor Haynes
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In a sense yes. Besides pay grade they are the same. One step below becoming a NCO. They should be on top of their game and when the time comes they are ready to lead as a NCO.
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