Is a Superior Rating appropriate on my 1059 from ALC?

2015-08-03T12:19:06-04:00

i didn't make commandant or any honors in alc. However, that don't bother me. I am curious I got superior on my 1059. Is that the normal thing for a ncoes? Or is that good?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2015 12:24 PM

2015-08-03T12:24:39-04:00

What area were you superior in?
You were likely observed as doing well in a particular area.
Leadership, for example usually is graded by how you interact with your peers.

Response by SFC Alan Beaver made Aug 3 at 2015 12:27 PM

2015-08-03T12:27:56-04:00

That's above the standard and should be accompanied by supporting bullets. Distinguished, honor grad, and top 5% should be noted separately.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2015 12:31 PM

2015-08-03T12:31:05-04:00

That's a good mark for sure. If it's related to Academics, you may have been in the top 10%. That's usually considered the Commandant's List (think Honor Roll/Dean's List), Honor Graduate typically has the highest academic average. Otherwise, I would assume it relates to all of your hands on assessments.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2015 12:41 PM

2015-08-03T12:41:16-04:00

You can get superior and not make commandants list. The superior rating just means your gpa was above 90.0. The commandants list is only for the top 20% of the class.

Response by SFC Craig Dalen made Aug 4 at 2015 11:07 AM

2015-08-04T11:07:59-04:00

It is normal if you displayed superior results. The honors can only be the top 20% of each class. That doesn't mean you didn't achieve superior results.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 1:17 PM

2015-08-04T13:17:54-04:00

Yes, a superior can be given and it can be good. However it's just like NCOERs it must be supported in the statement, both quantifiable and of high quality. At the NCOA I facilitated at, you can have all superiors except in leadership and not get Commandant's list. Remember, the 1059 is a development tool, as well as an evaluation tool. Good job!

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Aug 4 at 2015 2:25 PM

2015-08-04T14:25:04-04:00

Who cares you didn't make Commandant's List or Honor Grad? The instructors were obviously impressed enough with your performance (hint - read the bullet comments) that you got a superior rating. Take that ball and run with it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 2:51 PM

2015-08-04T14:51:31-04:00

You can very well be superior in multiple categories but still not graduate top 20%.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 3:53 PM

2015-08-04T15:53:41-04:00

I received superior in all categories but group work, which I received a sat in. I wasn't there for commodants list or any of that other stuff. Just there to learn and get that 1059. I was happy with just that. You should be too.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 4:51 PM

2015-08-04T16:51:49-04:00

Obtaining a superior rating on your 1059 can never be a bad thing, if that's what you want to hear. What areas did you obtain a superior rating in? If I had to pick one area to earn a superior rating in above all others, it would be in leadership.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 5:52 PM

2015-08-04T17:52:34-04:00

That is the norm when you don't make honors or the commandant list. You automatically receive a superior rating unless you have misconduct or fail out of ALC.

Response by SSG Chris Garabitos made Aug 4 at 2015 7:15 PM

2015-08-04T19:15:29-04:00

If he/she is still available ask your SGL what combination of grades make up your Leadership block. All this is black and white in the Course Management Plan (CMP) for each specific NCOES course above WLC.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 9:03 PM

2015-08-04T21:03:58-04:00

Superior bullets should be based on your ISAP for that NCOA. The can receive superior bullets and not be placed on any of the honor lists. I have done that on occasion. Because you may meet the elements it is up to your SGL/SSGL and 1SG. ALC is a leadership evaluated school. If you do not represent that narrative then you may not make the honors list.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 9:25 PM

2015-08-04T21:25:43-04:00

At the beginning of ALC, your SGL should have you read your ISAP (individual student assessment plan) telling you what areas of your 1059 (leadership, research ability, contribution to group work, and written and oral communication) you will be evaluated in. They don't have to do all, just leadership and research ability are required.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2015 11:29 PM

2015-08-04T23:29:04-04:00

SGT Bump don't worry too much about not making honors. I mean it's very impressive if you do but as long as you did good than that's ok. Like you I had a small ALC class and our honors group was 3 people; DHG, HG and CL. During the EOC counseling we asked the SGL and he told us it was a close call for the rest who didn't make it. It's really good that you revived superior marks; that shows that you were exceptional in those areas. So you see that even though you didn't make honors your 1059 still paints a picture of how well your performance was during the course.

Response by 1SG Calanski Brunson made Aug 5 at 2015 4:33 AM

2015-08-05T04:33:29-04:00

In WLC I received superior on all abillities we were evaluated on, no commandants or honor grad. I think it shows you knew what you were doing but maybe you got edged out on test performance by a percentage or two or APFT wasn't high enough. In SLC I made distinguish honor grad, but out of the 4 abilities tested on I received 3 superiors. On the 1059s of my battles a lot of them only had one or two superiors.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2015 1:31 PM

2015-08-05T13:31:21-04:00

its very funny you mention that I received superior in 3 sections, oral comm, group work and research and somhow stil lgot and acheived course standards. I guess I didn't have a chance to gain superior in leasdership , which I guess I still should have because of the instructors last minute changes to traininig exercises and still accomplished without any 'notional' casualties, , but as I am close to retirement I looked at the bigger picture of my career and for young NCOs use it to improve fo ryour next NCOES so there can be no debate on validating and recognizing your superior performance.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2015 1:41 PM

2015-08-05T13:41:40-04:00

BLUF: Superior is excellent.
SGT, earning a superior without achieving a spot on the Commandant's List or honors is typical. Each of those have separate requirements. For example, the NCO Academy where I am a Senior SGL requires five superiors, the highest GPA (must be about 90%), and no negative counseling statements to be the DG. Four superiors (one must be leadership), the second highest GPA (must be above 85%), and no negative counseling statements to be the HG. The Commandant's list is the top 20% of the class in regards to GPA (must be above 85%) and requires three superiors with no negative counseling statements. The DG and HG will be on the Commandant's List, but Soldiers on the Commandant's list do not have to be the DG and HG. The rating you earn in block 12 (superior) is based off of your performance. Here, we have several Performance Evaluation Checklists (PRT, D&C, Inspections, AAR, Info. Briefs, Written Assessment) that the SGLs use to evaluate the students. Each of these results in a score. If the student's scores are high enough, the student qualifies to receive a superior. All of this should have been explained in your in-brief to the NCO Academy you attended.

Response by SFC Robert Jorgenson made Aug 5 at 2015 2:05 PM

2015-08-05T14:05:03-04:00

Yes that is normal. Only the top 20% can exceed, but if your scores were over 90% in the category's of written, oral, leadership etc you get a superior. And yes it is good

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2015 3:43 PM

2015-08-05T15:43:23-04:00

I got all superior straight down the list and had the highest GPA in my ALC class and didn't get selected for commandants list or DHG. They never gave me a reason, but everyone in the class was just as confused as I was as to why I didn't get selected. But, in the end, a superior 1059 is what matters.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2015 8:11 AM

2015-08-06T08:11:37-04:00

Remember, ALC is a Leadership Course. Instructors are observing students on their leadership abilities on and off duty. Most of the work in the classroom are team oriented so it's not uncommon for half of the class to get multiple Superior ratings. Ultimately, it's up to Instructors to make the call and it's very tough! I've taught ALC many times and soldiers are so competitive that trying to get it right is very, very tough! You did well, young Soldier! Repeat and stay motivated for SLC.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2015 12:51 PM

2015-08-06T12:51:07-04:00

You should write them and have them change it to sat, or un sat instead. would be great for your career.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2015 7:55 AM

2015-08-07T07:55:43-04:00

That would be a normal thing.in order to get Exceed Course Standards you will have to get Superior on the right side #12 of your 1059 which would make it quite a difference

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2015 11:03 AM

2015-08-07T11:03:39-04:00

Yes a superior rating denotes top 5% of class and should be included on ncoer in the training section.

Response by MSG Douglas Tolliver made Aug 7 at 2015 6:10 PM

2015-08-07T18:10:31-04:00

It's perfectly fine. Superior is not just given. I gave it when warranted.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2015 10:47 PM

2015-08-08T22:47:05-04:00

Nothing wrong with a Superior rating. The comments must support the rating though.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2019 9:00 AM

2019-01-28T09:00:16-05:00

AR 623-3, Ch 4.
It means you demonstrated performance in that ability that was significantly above the standard.
Exceeded course standards (DHG/HG) overall course achievement is significantly above the standards of the course.
Maybe it's not what your post meant, but you should be bothered a bit that you weren't an Honor Graduate. Promotions aren't going to get easier.