Is an enlisted male cadre being sexually involved with a female ROTC cadet fraternization? Should it be reported? Would you report it?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:42:37 -0400

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Apr 26 at 2016 1:49 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:49:48 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member I believe that you should report this concern to school administrators and ROTC COC as soon as possible as this sort of behavior violates about every rule of conduct known. Others on RP may be able to suggest exactly who to go to in more details but pls don't hesitate too much longer to do the right thing on this one.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 1:52 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:52:24 -0400

The only thing I can find is under 600-20, par 4-14, 4-15, 4-16. I want to say they're both consenting adults so it really doesn't matter, but at the same time, he is her superior and there's that power angle... When I was enlisted before I would hear about NCOs and officers all the time. It was frowned upon but kept pretty quiet. I just remember that when it's good it's great, but all it takes is one moment of spite to ruin possibly two careers. I don't want to be "that guy", but if they're trying to keep it quiet, they're not doing a very good job...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 1:55 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:55:32 -0400

AR 600-20 states:

4–14. Relationships between Soldiers of different grade
a. The term "officer" used in this paragraph includes both commissioned and WOs unless otherwise stated. The term
“noncommissioned officer” refers to a Soldier in the grade of corporal to command sergeant major/sergeant major. The
term “junior enlisted Soldier” refers to a Soldier in the grade of private to specialist. The provisions of this paragraph
apply to both relationships between Soldiers in the Active and Reserve Components and between Soldiers and
personnel of other military Services. This policy is effective immediately, except where noted below, and applies to
opposite-gender relationships and same-gender relationships.
b. Soldiers of different grades must be cognizant that their interactions do not create an actual or clearly predictable
perception of undue familiarity between an officer and an enlisted Soldier, or between an NCO and a junior-enlisted
Soldier. Examples of familiarity between Soldiers that may become “undue” can include repeated visits to bars,
nightclubs, eating establishments, or homes between an officer and an enlisted Soldier, or an NCO and a junior-enlisted
Soldier, except for social gatherings, that involve an entire unit, office, or work section. All relationships between
Soldiers of different grade are prohibited if they—
(1) Compromise, or appear to compromise, the integrity of supervisory authority or the chain of command.
(2) Cause actual or perceived partiality or unfairness.
(3) Involve, or appear to involve, the improper use of grade or position for personal gain.
(4) Are, or are perceived to be, exploitative or coercive in nature.
(5) Create an actual or clearly predictable adverse impact on discipline, authority, morale, or the ability of the
command to accomplish its mission.
c. Certain types of personal relationships between officers and enlisted Soldiers, or NCOs and junior enlisted
Soldiers, are prohibited. Prohibited relationships include the following:
(1) Ongoing business relationships between officers and enlisted personnel, or NCOs and junior enlisted Soldiers.
This prohibition does not apply to landlord/tenant relationships or to one-time transactions such as the sale of an
automobile or house, but does apply to borrowing or lending money, commercial solicitation, and any other type of
ongoing financial or business relationship. Business relationships between NCOs and junior enlisted Soldiers that exist
at the time this policy becomes effective and that were authorized under previously existing rules and regulations, are
exempt provided the individuals are not in the same unit or chain of command and the relationship does not meet the
criteria listed in paragraph 4–14b(1 through 5). In the case of ARNG or U.S. Army Reserve personnel, this prohibition
does not apply to relationships that exist due to their civilian occupation or employment.
(2) Dating, shared living accommodations other than those directed by operational requirements, and intimate or
sexual relationships between officers and enlisted personnel, or NCOs and junior enlisted Soldiers. This prohibition
does not apply to the following:
(a) When evidence of fraternization between an officer and enlisted member or an NCO and a junior enlisted
Soldier prior to their marriage exists, their marriage does not preclude appropriate command action based on the prior
fraternization. Commanders have a wide range of responses available including counseling, reprimand, order to cease,
reassignment, administrative action, or adverse action. Commanders must carefully consider all of the facts and
circumstances in reaching a disposition that is appropriate. Generally, the commander should take the minimum action
necessary to ensure that the needs of good order and discipline are satisfied.
(b) Situations in which a relationship that complies with this policy would move into noncompliance due to a
change in status of one of the members (for instance, a case where two junior enlisted members are dating and one is
subsequently commissioned or selected to be a WO, commissioned officer, or NCO). In relationships where one of the
enlisted members has entered into a program intended to result in a change in his or her status from enlisted to officer
or junior enlisted Soldier to NCO, the couple must terminate the relationship permanently or marry within one year of
the date of the appointment or the change in status occurs.
(c) Personal relationships between members of the National Guard or Army Reserve, when the relationship primarily
exists due to civilian acquaintanceships, unless the individuals are on AD (other than AT), on FTNGD (other than
AT), or serving as a dual status military technician.
(d) Personal relationships between members of the RA and members of the National Guard or Army Reserve when
the relationship primarily exists due to civilian association and the RC member is not on AD (other than AT), on
FTNGD (other than AT), or serving as a dual status military technician.
28 AR 600–20 • 6 November 2014
(e) Prohibited relationships involving dual status military technicians, which were not prohibited under previously
existing rules and regulations, are exempt until 1 March 2015.
(f) Soldiers and leaders share responsibility for ensuring that these personal relationships do not interfere with good
order and discipline. Commanders will ensure that personal relationships that exist between Soldiers of different grades
emanating from their civilian careers will not influence training, readiness, or personnel actions.
(3) Gambling between officers and enlisted personnel, or NCOs and junior enlisted Soldiers.
d. These prohibitions are not intended to preclude unit based normal team building or activity based on interaction
which occurs in the context of community based, religious, or fraternal associations such as scouting, youth or adult
sports leagues or teams; membership in organizations such as the Masons or Elks; religious activities including chapel,
church, synagogue, mosque, or religious education; Family gatherings; unit-based social functions; or athletic events.
e. All military personnel share the responsibility for maintaining professional relationships. However, in any
relationship between Soldiers of different grade or rank, the senior member is generally in the best position to
terminate or limit the extent of the relationship. Nevertheless, all members may be held accountable for relationships
that violate this policy.
f. Commanders should seek to prevent inappropriate or unprofessional relationships through proper training and
personal leadership. Commanders have a wide range of responses available should inappropriate relationships occur.
These responses may include counseling, reprimand, order to cease, reassignment, or adverse action. Potential adverse
action may include official reprimand, adverse evaluation report(s), nonjudicial punishment, separation, bar to reenlistment,
promotion denial, demotion, and courts martial. Commanders must carefully consider all of the facts and
circumstances in reaching a disposition that is warranted, appropriate, and fair.
4–15. Other prohibited relationships
a. Trainee and Soldier relationships. Any relationship between permanent party personnel and initial entry training
trainees not required by the training mission is prohibited. This prohibition applies to permanent party personnel
without regard to the installation of assignment of the permanent party member or the trainee.
b. Recruiter and recruit relationships. Any relationship between permanent party personnel assigned or attached to
the U.S. Army Recruiting Command or National Guard recruiting program, and potential prospects, applicants,
members of the DEP, or members of the Delayed Training Program not required by the recruiting mission is
prohibited. This prohibition applies to U.S. Army Recruiting Command and National Guard recruiting personnel
without regard to the unit of assignment of the permanent party member and the potential prospects, applicants, DEP
members, or Delayed Training Program members.
c. Training commands. Training commands (for example, TRADOC and AMEDDC) and the U.S. Army Recruiting
Command are authorized to publish supplemental regulations to paragraph 4–15, which further detail proscribed
conduct within their respective commands.

That being said, I would classify your described situation as a violation as outlined in 4-15(c) as ROTC falls under TRADOC. More importantly, does your ROTC department have a policy in place about this type of relationship situation? But I do have one question: Is there specific evidence stating that they are having a sexual relationship? If the answer is yes, then here is my recommendation: Research your ROTC policies. If, they are in fact, going against policy then it becomes an issue against the Core Values of the Army. Do what you feel is right and just. BUT...again, make sure all your ducks are in a row and solid before you commit to this course of action.

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Apr 26 at 2016 1:58 PM

SPC Donald Moore — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:58:14 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member , Even if the military didn't see a problem with the conduct, the school probably would. Instructors are not supposed to be involved with students. This should be reported as both parties are breaking rules and misconduct should be examined.
If you can not follow such a simple rule, can you be trusted to follow any rule?

Response by SPC Rory J. Mattheisen made Apr 26 at 2016 2:21 PM

SPC Rory J. Mattheisen — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:21:13 -0400

I tend to lean more towards minding my own business.

Response by Cadet 4th Class Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 2:32 PM

Cadet 4th Class Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:32:01 -0400

It is fraternization regardless of the cadres rank and grade . Report up your chain of command

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Apr 26 at 2016 3:17 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:17:40 -0400

Hmmm, Instructor and student. Hell yes you report it. Why the quandary?

Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 6:30 PM

1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:30:54 -0400

It is fraternization unless the relationship began before one of them had their current military status. Reporting is hard to say. Literally, it should be reported, but that's a tough call to make and noone should blame you either way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 8:02 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:02:13 -0400

Yes report it start a paper trail there is no need for such behavior in the army escp. If the army continues to down size. As NCOs!! They should know better and are their to mentor, train, and set the example for future leaders of the Army.

Response by CPT Mark Gonzalez made Apr 26 at 2016 8:34 PM

CPT Mark Gonzalez — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:34:07 -0400

You are honor bound to report it. If there is nothing to it, a more senior authority will make that decision. The NCO absolutely knows better and there are plenty of girls on campus or locally he could date. He is making a conscious choice to do the wrong thing and you have to do the right thing. If after review you feel that you cannot report the incident, I would honesty tell you that you shouldn't be an officer as you have to possess the personal/moral courage to do what is right even when conflicted.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 9:37 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:37:05 -0400

It is inappropriate behavior and should be reported.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2016 10:22 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:22:52 -0400

Was the NCO involved with the cadet before she became a cadet? If this was a long time relationship that existed before she joined rotc or he became cadre at the school then it would be easier to deal with. If he met and started dating her in his current position while she was a cadet then it is definitely wrong.

Response by MSgt Daniel Harrison made Apr 26 at 2016 10:38 PM

MSgt Daniel Harrison — Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:38:56 -0400

I would not report it at that time, but I would strongly suggest that he stop immediately or I would report it.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Apr 27 at 2016 12:54 AM

Capt Mark Strobl — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:54:11 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member - If you have reason to believe that this relationship exists, you have a duty to report it. If your accusation is founded, there is one who shouldn't be an instructor and another who should not be commissioned. It's a lapse of judgment by BOTH parties. If you're acting on good information and can verify facts, you need to report this. While this relationship may be minimally misunderstood, there is an air of impropriety. Let your class commander, XO, or CO onto what you KNOW. Let them take the appropriate action. Two closing remarks: 1.) Better to report this now vice being deposed later; and 2.) Integrity is not a "sometimes" thing. If you give a rat's red back-side about your CO and your future, this is not an issue to debate. By the way, WAY easier said than done. Do what you know is right.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Harless made Apr 27 at 2016 3:23 AM

1stSgt Eugene Harless — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:23:44 -0400

Teacher/Student fraternization is never a good idea. Any ROTC program or military school should have standing orders about such conduct. The Cadre member should be disciplined and transferred out.

Response by Capt Michael Greene made Apr 27 at 2016 3:29 AM

Capt Michael Greene — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:29:07 -0400

This is an excellent time for you to exercise leadership and for the two miscreants to have a learning moment. Since you are a cadet, I would first report it to the senior cadet, so your boss is not surprised when the active duty colonel reacts to the news. It would be best to inform your senior cadet before marching up to the cadre office.
With that advice in mind, the answer is yes, turn them in for perceived inappropriate behavior. Then it's the commander's turn, which s/he can make simple or complex. It's simple to call each of them in and discipline them verbally. And if the CO wants them to acknowledge receipt of an order to not fraternize, then that's simple as there's no evidence required.
But if the CO wants to actually punish someone in any manner, the case becomes more complex. Is the cadet already on contract and paid, thus beholden to the UCMJ? As for the sex, unless they are on film or in a public orgy, only two people can prove a sexual relationship exists, so the CO must be prepared to see them lawyer up. In short, this is the CO's call: how to enforce good order and discipline? A talking-to might be all that is required. Either way, drop dime.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 11:49 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:49:19 -0400

I crafted this email and tried to be as professional as possible. I sent it to our Cadet Battalion Commander so I'm not jumping the chain straight to our Lt Col. I redacted all of the names of course because it's all here say until proven. The response I got was a thank you, it really shows integrity, they already know about it, and decisions are being made by out Lt Col. about what actions are to be taken. So it's already being handled, but by telling them I was really just letting them know that there isn't a lid on the situation.

"Good morning. There's something going on that you as Battalion Commander need to be made aware of and that I am honor bound to report. Whether true or not, there is what I am hoping is just a rumor going around that CDT ****** and "CADRE" are romantically involved. CDT ****** went to CDT ****** saying that her friend was involved with a cadre and didn't know what to do about it. CDT ****** told me this when I rode with him yesterday after class. He told me that CDT ****** was very uncomfortable when talking to him about it. Those are just the two people who I know that know about it, and it's already creating an uncomfortable training environment. Also, you know how rumor mills work. ****** told ****** who told me, and I don't know how many other people they may have told so you may as well assume quite a few people have heard it.

This is not an easy thing to report because I have nothing against either of them, but if this is true, then it either needs to be squashed or handled the right way before it spins out of control. All it takes is a single moment of spite to possibly ruin both of their careers. Also, cadre are in a position of trust. The power held over the cadet makes it impossible to gain consent for a sexual relationship. This in no way aligns with the Army values.

It goes against TRADOC and the following army policies.

AR 600-20
4–15. Other prohibited relationships
c. Training commands. Training commands (for example, TRADOC and AMEDDC) and the U.S. Army Recruiting Command are authorized to publish supplemental regulations to paragraph 4–15, which further detail proscribed conduct within their respective commands.

AR 600-20
4-16. Fraternization
Violations of paragraphs 4–14b, 4–14c, and 4–15 may be punished under UCMJ, Art. 92 as a violation of a lawful general regulation.

TRADOC 350-36
4-3. Training Abuse and Prohibited Practices.
a. Training abuse is any improper or unlawful physical, verbal, or sexual act committedagainst a student. Examples include extreme exercise-based corrective action not IAW PRT,extreme profanity, sexual misconduct, extortion, hazing, inappropriate fundraising, or prohibited relationships. Only a commander can determine an incident as student abuse.
c. Sexual Harassment, fraternization, inappropriate or unprofessional relationships. This conduct is explicitly forbidden IAW AR 600-20 and may violate local regulations. These offenses are contrary to the principles of the Army Profession and are punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

UCMJ, Article 134 par 3.
"Conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces (clause 2). “Discredit” means to injure the reputation of. This clause of Article 134 makes punishable conduct which has a tendency to bring the service into disrepute or which tends to lower it in public esteem."

Also, as a commander, you have some responsibility as well, and if anything bad comes from it, then Lt Col. ****** could also be help partially responsible since it's under his command.
AR 600-20
4–19. Treatment of persons
c. Command responsibilities.
(1) Enforcement of this policy is the responsibility of commanders and supervisors at all levels.

Integrity.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Apr 27 at 2016 11:49 AM

LTC Paul Labrador — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:49:51 -0400

Absolutely should be reported and squashed.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Apr 27 at 2016 2:18 PM

SSG Richard Reilly — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:18:22 -0400

Guess my questions is what proof do you have. Both individuals can be in trouble. It violates a variety of regulations but it would also depend on who ROTC falls under for which regulations apply. Report however tread lightly because without proof I can't see much more than a letter of concern from the CO.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 5:22 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:22:57 -0400

Cadre in a sexual relationship with cadet? Cadre should be nailed to the wall over that!

Response by SGT Rodrigo Contreras made Apr 27 at 2016 6:54 PM

SGT Rodrigo Contreras — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:54:46 -0400

It is absolutely a violation of Fratinzation Regulations. Improper Senior/Subordinate relationship. On top of that every University has ethics standards for faculty and staff... One of the absolute No-Nos is Faculty/Staff do not have sexual relations with students. This needs to be reported to the Dean of Students and Cade Command ASAP.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 7:14 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:14:40 -0400

A cadet is in no place to be able to consent as the NCO has wide authority over the cadet, squash it immediately

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 7:46 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:46:25 -0400

As in an E-4 or E-5 or one of the military science instructors? If the latter, every ROTC program I know of has specific policies against this type of relationship and should be reported if you have firsthand knowledge. Otherwise, address the issue with the your peer and let them know the consequences and the appearance of impropriety the behavior between them is causing.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 7:54 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:54:05 -0400

I stand corrected. Don't post to social media and report it up.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 8:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:26:22 -0400

This is reportable. If you knew for sure that it was going on, I would definitely report it. I would not however report something potentially career ending on the basis of a rumor of two consenting adults doing something that hurts no one. Make sure this is really about doing the right thing, and not some BS. I have had some experience with complaints made for stupid resasons. As a Recruiter I was twice falsely accused of something similar. First time was a male recruit. He had asked out a female recruit and got rejected. He then made a scene. Female recruit told me about, and we had a laugh about it. He overheard, had his feelings hurt, and reported me. Second time was even more egregious. Female recruit propositioned me, I rejected her and had a talk about regulations and professionalism, she then reported me for fraternization with another female recruit with whom I had an entirely professional relationship (she was one of the first females in my MOS and she was my recruit.) That one was a 15-6, but I was eventually cleared... these things are a big deal...

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 8:32 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:32:48 -0400

Your Inspector Generals office for Vader command is at Ft Knox. if you aren't comfortable reporting to your PMS/ROTC chain of command you can report to them. http://www.knox.army.mil/Garrison/supportoffices/ig/

Inspector General Office - Installation Support Office - US Army Garrison - Fort Knox, Kentucky

Support the U.S. Army, the U.S. Army Cadet Command and Fort Knox and the surrounding community by providing the Commanding General with a continuous assessment of the effectiveness of the Command thru:

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 8:35 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:35:31 -0400

I had seen a similar situation while I was in ROTC, I had seen something similar. Send it up your chain of command immediately. If they do not deal with it, contact your BDE Inspector General.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 11:04 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:04:28 -0400

This is a situation that must be reported up the chain of command. It is unacceptable for any cadre member to engage in any relationship that is not professional with a student. There are several policy letters that you should be as to find in the departmental offices or classrooms. I have found during my tenure in ROTC that if it seems shady, then it probably is. If there is any chance that this is happening your PMS needs to know about it. Personally I would speak with the Senior Military Science Instructor and advise him/ her of the situation, so that he or she is not blind sided by the PMS. Be ready to answer questions pertaining to why you feel it is happening, and possibly what effect it could have on the program.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2016 11:39 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:39:51 -0400

Absolutely inappropriate and against the policies of the Army. I was a ROTC instructor
Yes you need to report it.

Response by SSG Max Geitner made Apr 28 at 2016 12:51 AM

SSG Max Geitner — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 00:51:19 -0400

That's a super star. He needs to be booted from the Army.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Apr 28 at 2016 1:46 AM

Cpl Rc Layne — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:46:15 -0400

Yes, it is fraternization in every sense of term. And if you know it to be a fact and you don't report it, then you are guilty of a failure to report inappropriate behavior. Having said that, make sure that you are right. If you are speculating or unsure and make an unfounded allegation, you have ruined both of them and yourself.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Apr 28 at 2016 11:37 AM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:37:54 -0400

Absolutely...the cadet may not know any better as of yet but the enlisted male does. There is no excuse for instructor/student relationships in any environment...especially one that is mentoring and grooming future Army Leadership. If it isn't nipped here, the Cadet will grow in the ranks and when it happens in their unit and they have to deal with it, they can't be objective about it because they have done it themselves.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Apr 28 at 2016 2:01 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:01:37 -0400

Yes you report it. If anyone finds out that you knew and didn't report it then you are in as much trouble as the two doing it. You know better than that so report it immediately. Cadre members have an important job to do. When they step over that line of mentorship, leadership and trust they no longer can lead effectively because everyone knows what is going on.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2016 10:34 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 30 Apr 2016 22:34:49 -0400

Regardless of what UCMJ or school policy says, this goes against the moral guidelines an Army Leader should strive to uphold. It is wrong, and that should be enough. MASSIVE CAVEAT: UNLESS the relationship existed prior to the cadet entering the program.

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made May 4 at 2016 5:39 PM

SSG Jeremy Kohlwes — Wed, 04 May 2016 17:39:15 -0400

While being enlisted would not make it fraternization, the added fact that he is part of the cadre would. That should be reported.

Response by MAJ Glenn Bergeron made May 6 at 2016 7:58 AM

MAJ Glenn Bergeron — Fri, 06 May 2016 07:58:52 -0400

Cadet Command has VERY clear guidance on this, it's an Army matter. For those commenting to also report it to university administration, don't be so hasty... I've worked at three separate universities and you would be surprised at how liberal some university rules are regarding faculty-student social relationships. Each university makes their own, there's no cookie-cutter rule like in the Army.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made May 7 at 2016 12:45 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Sat, 07 May 2016 00:45:48 -0400

Big NO NO! No different than a DS and a trainee having a go at it, and that's not allowed.

Response by Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2016 9:26 AM

Cadet PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 09:26:12 -0400

Yes

Response by Cadet 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2017 2:41 AM

Cadet 1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Dec 2017 02:41:06 -0500

Yes it should be reported. All cadets are required to sign a paper that lists situations that are not ok with cadre members. Being sexually involved with a cadre member is a direct violation of that form.

Response by SSgt Bill Charles made Feb 17 at 2018 3:02 PM

SSgt Bill Charles — Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:02:00 -0500

This is clearly a reportable situation. In fact as an IG I investigated a few of very similar situations. In every one of those reports Command took action. In one case it was prosecuted and the offender Sgt went to civilian prison for a few years. (Because of State laws and other issues that the JAG took forward.)
This is wrong on many levels and you have obligations to report such situation.

Response by SPC Michael Graves made Feb 17 at 2018 10:59 PM

SPC Michael Graves — Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:59:52 -0500

No, I'd mind my own damned business, rank be damned they're both grown. If they're good with it, it ain't none of my concern.

Response by CPT James Kahn made Feb 18 at 2018 12:34 PM

CPT James Kahn — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:34:23 -0500

Yes, quite a simple scenario, cadre is in a position to effect the cadets career, thus providing a leverage opportunity.
Additionally, unless things have changed considerably at training commands, there is typically a direct written order in the form of command policy that there will be no unnecessary/non-training related relationships between cadre and students.
James P. Kahn
CPT RET

Response by Alec Roman made Mar 21 at 2018 7:13 PM

Alec Roman — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:13:19 -0400

Yes. Every cadet does, or at least should, sign a statement at the beginning of the semester, stating that they understand the rules regarding this.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2018 10:14 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 22:14:06 -0400

That is not right. This should be reported. Not much different then a recruiter and a recruit.

Response by SFC Byron Perry made Feb 11 at 2019 9:26 AM

SFC Byron Perry — Mon, 11 Feb 2019 09:26:46 -0500

I would report it.