Is calling a Master Sergeant by their full rank showing higher respect, or is just extra?

2018-09-17T06:54:04-04:00

I know what the regulation states, and that is that E-5 through E-8 (except for 1SG) is addressed as Sergeant. However, I continually see soldiers addressing MSGs by their full rank. Is it a sign of higher respect for the rank they earned, or is just being extra? I can see both sides of the argument - regulation vs respect towards the rank they have obtained - I want to hear all your thoughts!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2018 7:00 AM

2018-09-17T07:00:26-04:00

It's definitely extra. You should refer to them as MSG, but they are addressed as sergeant. Same as a CSM, yiu wouldn't address them as Command Sergeant Major, that would just be extra.

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Sep 17 at 2018 7:44 AM

2018-09-17T07:44:39-04:00

Follow the regulation you won't be wrong.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2018 11:00 AM

2018-09-17T11:00:47-04:00

What I was taught coming up as a young PFC and SPC, was that continually calling someone by their full rank was a sign that you respected the rank, but not the person wearing it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2018 11:01 AM

2018-09-17T11:01:24-04:00

Just don't call me late for chow.

Response by SSG Lyle O'Rorke made Sep 17 at 2018 11:14 AM

2018-09-17T11:14:09-04:00

Just don’t call them Sir.

Response by SGT David T. made Sep 17 at 2018 11:41 AM

2018-09-17T11:41:11-04:00

The Soldiers addressing them as such are wrong simple as that. The reg says call them Sergeant so that's what you do.

Response by SPC James Jackson made Sep 17 at 2018 1:07 PM

2018-09-17T13:07:52-04:00

I was always told that there were times for each to be used based on the formality of the current situation and whether you were speaking to them or addressing them...

Response by MAJ Byron Oyler made Sep 17 at 2018 3:22 PM

2018-09-17T15:22:24-04:00

A sergeant is a junior NCO and a master sergeant SRNCO. Regs may say sergeant is ok but I almost never refer to E7 and above as a sergeant.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Sep 17 at 2018 4:50 PM

2018-09-17T16:50:22-04:00

When referring to someone you use their title, CSM when greeting you can say Sergeants Major, when you refer to them you would say Command Sergeants Major, or the CSM. The long version when assessing them SSG, SFC, MSG, CSM is acceptable but not necessary. If you feel better calling them by their full title have at it, it is not wrong just not necessary. Thank you for your service.

Response by PO1 John Johnson made Sep 17 at 2018 5:40 PM

2018-09-17T17:40:30-04:00

Go ahead, call the Master Sergeant "Sergeant" and see what happens, and then let us know!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2018 8:13 PM

2018-09-17T20:13:58-04:00

I take it as a sign of respect. I think some folks just assume that because others do it that it is required. The reg says it’s not.

But any MSGs out there who are trippin’ about such trivial stuff are probably self-worshipping blow-hards that don’t deserve respect anyway...

Response by SGT Matthew S. made Sep 17 at 2018 9:39 PM

2018-09-17T21:39:26-04:00

The regulation says "Sergeant", but I don't know if you'd call it tradition, SOP, or something else as to why the few MSGs I was around were always addressed by full rank. I always figured somewhere along the line it had to do with both MSG and 1SG being the same paygrade, but I couldn't honestly say one way or another.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Sep 17 at 2018 9:54 PM

2018-09-17T21:54:20-04:00

I think if you feel like it, you can use the person's entire rank. Sometimes I wanted to address our Master Sergeant as Master Sergeant, Sergeant Major as Sergeant Major, or the Command Sergeant Major by his rank. It does show respect even if he doesn't expect or require it. He or she has earned the rank and the title and it doesn't hurt to show that additional measure of respect. In the other ranks of Sergeant you can certainly use Sergeant when addressing an E-5 through E7 and that seems to work fine especially when you work together day in and day out.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2018 10:40 PM

2018-09-17T22:40:22-04:00

Having come over from the Corps it still irks me when I am called Sergeant instead of Staff Sergeant, and its been 4 years. Each branch has its quirks so I guess play by their rules but it took me a little getting used to. With that being said, I have gotten used to calling other Staff Sergeants and Sergeant First Classes just Sergeant but I wouldnt dare call anyone higher by just that.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2018 11:24 AM

2018-09-18T11:24:34-04:00

This question is getting so old, it comes up every other month at a minimum.

Response by MSG Chuck Odom made Sep 18 at 2018 11:33 AM

2018-09-18T11:33:02-04:00

I never cared one way the other (just don't call me sarge). Back when I was on active duty (during the stone age) a Master Sergeant was addressed as Sergeant but referred to as Master Sergeant (i.e., Go see Master Sergeant Odom.)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2018 12:44 PM

2018-09-18T12:44:11-04:00

It is out of respect because some MSGs have held 1SG positions and some are in E9 positions like S3 SGM.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2018 3:11 PM

2018-09-18T15:11:47-04:00

This is the second time I've seen this question and it boggles my mind how this is an issue.

I have called a MSG either "Master Sergeant" or just "Sergeant." I don't see what the issue is to call someone "Sergeant' or "Staff Sergeant" or so on. Why is this an issue to call someone by their full rank in the Army? I don't care if someone calls me "Sergeant First Class." I like being called that at the gate rather than "sir" or "ma'am" like the AF calls everyone.

Response by SGT Larry Reed made Sep 18 at 2018 3:33 PM

2018-09-18T15:33:12-04:00

High ranking N.C.O. deserves to be recognized.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2018 4:24 PM

2018-09-18T16:24:36-04:00

Call me either, just don’t forget either.

Response by 1SG Dave McWilliams made Sep 19 at 2018 2:26 AM

2018-09-19T02:26:48-04:00

When I was a 1SG I didn’t mind people calling me Top but for the period before retirement and after my change of responsibility to MSG I was ok with SGT when addressing me .. either way didn’t bother me

Response by PFC Elijah Rose made Sep 19 at 2018 5:01 PM

2018-09-19T17:01:43-04:00

The whole thing is extra! Talk to people, each and every one of them will admit they don't care for formalities themselves but they do it because they think it's important to the Army. So who are we kidding?

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Response by SGM Billy Herrington made Sep 19 at 2018 10:41 PM

2018-09-19T22:41:22-04:00

I get both daily. I’m good either way. Doesn’t concern me. There are a lot more important things to be concerned about.

Are we wearing our pt belts?
Have we had our daily meeting to plan the next meeting?

You know, Army shit.

;)

Response by SGT Ronald Crow made Sep 20 at 2018 3:10 AM

2018-09-20T03:10:04-04:00

I never had problems with shortcuts.:) Sergeant Major, Master Sergeant, Top, Sergeant...

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 20 at 2018 3:21 AM

2018-09-20T03:21:14-04:00

Two things. Most people don’t know any better. And some E-8s are disgruntled that they’ll never make E-9 and are insisting on being called “Master Sergeant” as a sort of consolation prize.

Response by MSG Timothy Smeltzer made Sep 26 at 2018 3:14 AM

2018-09-26T03:14:15-04:00

Well see both ways, but you are at the top of your job. Now that I am retired I prefer Hey Dude or mister.

Response by MSG Tom Behan made Sep 26 at 2018 7:26 PM

2018-09-26T19:26:25-04:00

By reg MSG are addressed as Sargeant. Out of respect most will call an MSG - Master Sargeant. I have been called Master Sargeant by CSM, SGM,COL, LTC, CPT, LT, SGT, WO, and many of the additional ranks. Respect is earned and I have seen and heard some MSG addressed as SGT.

Response by MSG Dallas Williams made Sep 27 at 2018 11:52 PM

2018-09-27T23:52:05-04:00

Either or is good to go, however depending on the situation: Master Sergeant vs. Sergeant is like formal vs. informal. In my opinion, the full title is more respectful and therefore should be used in a more formal situation...

Response by 1stSgt John Ross made Sep 28 at 2018 7:50 PM

2018-09-28T19:50:04-04:00

Some of it depends on the environment. In a training environment, full rank is appropriate. Other than that, I think it is just personal preference.

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Oct 1 at 2018 8:45 AM

2018-10-01T08:45:40-04:00

I served with a Captain that made it to MG. Every time I saw him he addressed me a "Top". If he were in the hallway at FORSCOM talking to others officers he would always step over to me to say hello. Now that I felt was great respect. Just a little tidbit for you to consider when addressing someone. Meanings are in people not words but, it is always situational. I have been retired 34 years and times have certainly moved on.

Response by MSG David Lambert made Oct 1 at 2018 11:12 AM

2018-10-01T11:12:08-04:00

Should be called Master Sergeants

Response by GySgt Bryan Falldorf made Oct 4 at 2018 7:12 PM

2018-10-04T19:12:31-04:00

As a Marine, you ALWAYS address ranks E6-9 by their full rank. Period. Sergeant is an E5. As a Gunnery Sergeant if I were to be addressed by a subordinate or even a superior as "Sergeant" I would consider it at the very least a Fuck up, and definitely a measure of disrespect. I had been referred to as "Sergeant" by a Navy Lt Commander when I was a Staff. Didn't pick the right but the Marine light Col present did correct him.

Response by CPT Dennis Stevenson made Oct 5 at 2018 2:16 PM

2018-10-05T14:16:44-04:00

I don't remember doing it, but you call a sergeant major by the full rank and first sergeants by their ranks. Seems find to me. What do sailors call chiefs?

Response by SrA John Monette made Oct 5 at 2018 5:03 PM

2018-10-05T17:03:08-04:00

they might be using the full rank to be a smart ass. I never called senior enlisted by their full rank. same when addressing Lieutenants and Colonels. Why make distinction unless you have to?

Response by MSG Ismael Veguilla made Oct 5 at 2018 5:56 PM

2018-10-05T17:56:17-04:00

Calling a person by their full rank is a sign of respect not only for the rank but for the person, now do you have to no, there four sgt's in the Army.. SGT, 1SG, SGM, and CSM

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 5 at 2018 6:29 PM

2018-10-05T18:29:05-04:00

I always felt odd calling a MSG a Sergeant.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2018 3:50 PM

2018-10-10T15:50:05-04:00

Interesting points being discussed. The regulation is quite clear and the flipside to this question is what does the MSG call themselves? When I was a MSG I would answer the phone as Sergeant. On more than one occasion a SSG would get bold and direct me to report to their location for some reason or the other. While I usually enjoyed reporting to the SSG, they typically did not enjoy it. A whole lot of confusion can be cleared up by using full rank in the Army - just like every other service. Finally, if you are at a Joint assignment you should use the full rank - provides clarity for the rest of the team.

Response by CSM Patrick Durr made Oct 14 at 2018 4:10 AM

2018-10-14T04:10:25-04:00

It's not necessarily disrespectful, it is however not necessary. I recall seniors calling me Master Sergeant all the time. It just seems to be hard for some to simply call a MSG, Sergeant. True disrespect of course has to do with intent. If none was sensed, I didn't mind. I personally don't think it's anymore respectful. However, if you find a Master Sergeant that demands to be called Master Sergeant rather than Sergeant, then I would say...call him Sergeant.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Oct 18 at 2018 12:24 PM

2018-10-18T12:24:30-04:00

As far as I'm concerned E9s deserve the full rank others it's just extra. As I remember we saluted ensign because the expected it and Admirals because they earned it. That's a joke but you get the point

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2018 4:48 PM

2018-10-18T16:48:38-04:00

I believe Sergeant is appropriate.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2018 2:13 AM

2018-10-20T02:13:55-04:00

As a retired MSG who worked with more than a handful of MSGs in my career, here’s my take:

I have used the full title, “Master Sergeant,” any time I met a new MSG for the first time. This was purely as a sign of respect for their having attained the rank. If I worked with a specific MSG for more than a couple of days or if the MSG was someone who I saw or interacted with more or less permanently as part of my normal duties, I judged my use of their title on two things:
1. Was the MSG a douchebag?
2. Whether or not they WERE a douchebag, did they TAKE CARE OF THEIR SOLDIERS?

If they weren’t a douchebag then I’d continue to call them Master Sergeant. If they WERE a douchebag, but one who put the care of their Soldiers FIRST, I still called them Master Sergeant.
If they were a douche who didn’t give a shot about their subordinates, they quickly became “Sergeant” to me.

Response by Cpl Geoff Smith made Oct 20 at 2018 2:52 PM

2018-10-20T14:52:01-04:00

In my day, (67-70). the only Sergeants in the Marine Corps were E-5s. all others were addressed by actual rank.

Response by MSgt Kenneth Driver made Oct 22 at 2018 9:49 AM

2018-10-22T09:49:22-04:00

In the Royal Air Force, My rank of Flight Sergeant was always shortened to "Flight" by subordinates and those senior to me IE: Warrant Officers and full commissioned officers also used that term. However, if you've dropped a brick (Bollock), those senior to you would address you as Flight Sergeant....Then you know you're in trouble!...After that just grovel and admit your wrongdoings and pray!
Ken

Response by MAJ Carl Owen made Oct 23 at 2018 12:06 PM

2018-10-23T12:06:25-04:00

I always adressed E-8s as Master Sergeant or First Sergeant. They earned the distinction. It was my experience of 21 years that darned few bad soldiers made the rank. A couple but the overwhelming majority were the cream of the crop and due the respect that goes with it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2018 10:35 AM

2018-10-24T10:35:07-04:00

It's just a matter what you want to call them - you already know what is professionally acceptable.

Response by LCDR Thomas Roddy made Oct 29 at 2018 5:42 AM

2018-10-29T05:42:02-04:00

This is interesting to those of us in other branches, in the Navy we address everyone by their actual rank. Our E-7 thru E-9 hold a special trust and confidence in the Navy and are one, never addressed by paygrade and second never addressed as anything less than Chief, Senior Chief of Master Chief.

The Army's use of Sergeant for E-5 through E-8 seems to take away from the respect owed to each rank of increasing authority, leadership and rank.

Response by PO1 Ron Clark made Nov 2 at 2018 10:58 AM

2018-11-02T10:58:13-04:00

Showing higher respect for someone who is enlisted and a top Master in the profession of Arms! A no brainer! It is not easy for most to become a Sergeant Major, it's definitely not given to an individual, they earn it at each place they tour throughout their career! The same with a Master Chief in the Navy, this is a hard rank to attain. You would'nt call a Vice Admiral just Admiral if there were junior Admirals' in the room, i.e., Rear Admiral! Respect the process!

Response by 1SG Ken Bedwell made Nov 4 at 2018 9:53 AM

2018-11-04T09:53:59-05:00

The regulation provides the proper guidance. No need for anything extra.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Nov 5 at 2018 11:12 AM

2018-11-05T11:12:52-05:00

I think it's just being a little more formal than usual.

Response by SSG Ken Gilder made Nov 5 at 2018 11:13 AM

2018-11-05T11:13:55-05:00

I think it's just being more formal.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Nov 5 at 2018 11:20 AM

2018-11-05T11:20:46-05:00

bottom line up front - neither is wrong - I draw the line when a MSG insists on being called MSG - and is my wont, I ask where in the regulation does it require me to address you as such. Senior NCO's are quick to throw "Regulation" at their subordinates, but do not take kindly to having the same "Regulation" thrown back at them when they wish to have their way. Sorry Seniors, it is a truth that bears saying.

Response by SMSgt Tom Burns made Nov 5 at 2018 3:29 PM

2018-11-05T15:29:28-05:00

Referring to a Master Sergeant by their full rank is only necessary in certain situations. The exceptions apply to Chief Master Sergeant and 1ST Sergeants. Referring to Master or Senior Master Sergeants by their full rank by junior enlisted personnel is a definitely a sign of high respect.

Response by 1SG Raymond M Baker Jr made Nov 6 at 2018 12:43 PM

2018-11-06T12:43:31-05:00

My thoughts, after spending 20 years in the U S Army is that we should be calling our Seniors by their Rank, we should not use Sarge or anything else to refer to a Senior NONCOM! How can we expect our soldiers to respect us of we don't use the Rank of the Grade, like the Marine Corp! As the U S Marines say it, you are never an Ex-Marine, you are a former Marine! Why don't we have the same privilege as the Marines, why do we have to be different!

Response by MSgt Jerry Waters made Nov 9 at 2018 9:12 PM

2018-11-09T21:12:33-05:00

I retired, when I was in, everyone called Sergeant, only newbie called me MSgt.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Nov 10 at 2018 5:44 PM

2018-11-10T17:44:27-05:00

Depends on the service. As an Army butter bar, was constantly corrected to call them sergeant and not use the full name. But a few Air Force NCOs were adamant about using the full title. So it varies on the individual but I believe either is appropriate.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2018 11:04 AM

2018-11-18T11:04:11-05:00

The Army standard to address NCOs is: Corporal, Sergeant(SGT, SSGT, SFC & MSG), First Sergeant(1SG) and Sergeant Major(SGM & CSM). Anything else is inaccurate. There are acceptable terms to use though, such as Top, if the 1SG being called that allows such. Master Sergeant is not an accurate standard nor required for address, but is allowable (those who expect it are wrong to do so).

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 18 at 2018 5:47 PM

2018-11-18T17:47:34-05:00

Depends on unit culture and personal level of respect. Sergeant is acceptable, however in some circles full title is appreciated if warranted, from my experience. If you are doing it to be "extra", then don't.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2018 12:09 AM

2018-11-19T00:09:38-05:00

I refer to them by the full rank out of respect

Response by PO3 Craig Roberts made Nov 19 at 2018 2:33 AM

2018-11-19T02:33:09-05:00

In the Navy E8 Senior Chief and E9 as Master Chief. It's showing respect for the rank.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Nov 19 at 2018 2:42 AM

2018-11-19T02:42:00-05:00

This all revolves around the relationship and military bearing. Meeting A MSG for the first time I always called him by the full rank. But as you get more familiar, and work with them they usually don't might being called "Sart."

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Nov 19 at 2018 9:37 AM

2018-11-19T09:37:02-05:00

It is a matter of what you are use to hearing and using. In the Marine Corps we used full rank, even for lower ranks except when it came to Private First Class, it was PFC and the name. There were some exceptions, like using the title Gunny, or Top as well as using the naval term Skipper or Mr. for lower officer ranks. When I joined the Army side it took a while to get use to hearing just Sergeant being used except for First Sergeant or (Command) Sergeant Major. When I was still in the Corps I was told on my first day of Joint Service Duty that I needed to learn the customs of each branch apply them. I got use to being called Sergeant and when I made Gunny, the Army and Air Force side liked being able to call me Gunny instead of Sergeant.

So, there is no disrespect or breach of protocol unless it is from a person from the same service. (Try calling a Gunny or Master Sergeant in the Marine Corps by other than their full rank or approved title!) There is nothing that I am aware of that says calling a soldier by their full rank is not correct. Sometimes when I went to Germany on deployment for Reforger with the National Guard, we met a lot of people and keeping track of their names was not easy. When in a room with a dozen soldiers you can call out "Master Sergeant" what about . . . they knew who I was talking to and eliminated the temporary embarrassment of forgetting their name. Once they turned around and you saw their name tag then I asked my question and answered with 'Yes, Sergeant...."

Response by SFC Jesus Chargualaf made Nov 20 at 2018 1:13 PM

2018-11-20T13:13:09-05:00

There are short terminology for rank in all services... but if it is an official ceremony a full rank title is required!

Response by PO1 Donald Vinson made Nov 21 at 2018 6:09 PM

2018-11-21T18:09:03-05:00

Being retired from the Navy Seabees, I've always acknowledged Master Sergeants as Master Sergeants, First Sergeants as First Sergeants, Staff Sergeants as Staff Sergeants and so on as a respect to their rank. I think they should be addressed by their rank since they earned it. Just my opinion.

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Nov 22 at 2018 2:36 AM

2018-11-22T02:36:14-05:00

Darn right! ♥️

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2018 11:02 PM

2018-11-22T23:02:26-05:00

I try to call everyone by their full rank; they earned it and I want them to know I respect what they accomplished.

Response by PO1 David Gray made Nov 25 at 2018 3:32 PM

2018-11-25T15:32:02-05:00

I've always called higher ranking NCOs. By their full title.

Just try calling a Marine master Sargeant

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Nov 26 at 2018 12:25 AM

2018-11-26T00:25:18-05:00

Why not? I know you don't have to but the full title flows pretty easily.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Dec 6 at 2018 3:22 PM

2018-12-06T15:22:58-05:00

When I was in the Army (I retired last year) I was not really comfortable just calling an MSG Sergeant even though I did when they told me to stop calling them the whole thing. I don’t know why really, but maybe because I feel once you made it to that point you were greater than the other ranks we address as Sergeant. I am not sure if that was my reasoning but I do know that I was not comfortable calling them SGT.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 7:34 AM

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I prefer addressing them as “Master Sergeants”. In my opinion, it’s about respect.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 8:24 AM

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Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 8:24 AM

2018-12-08T08:24:23-05:00

You are never wrong to address any rank by their full rank. But, Master Sergeant is one where many soldiers believe it is required when it is not. I even had a Master Sergeant himself once say it was required to call him Master Sergeant. Many people just do not know.
Saying “Master Sergeant” is not more respectful. I never understood when people say that.

Response by SFC Mamerto Perez made Dec 9 at 2018 4:24 PM

2018-12-09T16:24:22-05:00

To me as long as you say Sgt, he aor she is getting the respect.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Dec 13 at 2018 1:45 AM

2018-12-13T01:45:50-05:00

I’m not Army but I am a Senior Master Sgt, USAF, Retired. The honorific for an E-8 in the Air Force is Sgt, Senior Master Sgt or just Senior. Occasionally I’ve even had someone call me Top. All were acceptable. I really never got into the nitty gritty on proper rank addressing. I’m a helicopter Crew Chief, we don’t usually stand on proper decorum. First name, last name, handle, doesn’t much matter with day-to-day business. Only time protocol is strictly enforced is/was during formal functions, where officers were in the immediate area or when junior ranking personnel are getting “instructed” on proper behavior. I think that happened twice in my 25 years?
Best way to answer the question is to follow the rules. You can never go wrong when following the book.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Dec 15 at 2018 2:37 PM

2018-12-15T14:37:48-05:00

Shows highest respect for service, rank earned, experience.

Response by SFC Rick LaFace made Dec 19 at 2018 10:22 PM

2018-12-19T22:22:21-05:00

AR600-20 states titles of address for every rank. Anything else I don't know, maybe some folks can't deal with having a small pee-pee...

Response by PFC Robert Brooks made Dec 20 at 2018 2:29 PM

2018-12-20T14:29:54-05:00

I recognized all Sgt's by there current rand SSGT SFC MSG SGMJ It is about respect and tradition. They worked hard for their rank as you do they deserve to be recognized for it. If they say different then that's how you should address them Just my thoughts

Response by CW4 Don Kite made Dec 30 at 2018 12:51 PM

2018-12-30T12:51:28-05:00

I have only used "Master Sergeant" for those I am very close to and have great amount of respect for. Many times I have used a Soldier's full rank was to get their attention and re mind them that they are senior noncomissioned officers and not young "buck" Sergeants.

Response by SFC John Barna made Dec 31 at 2018 11:54 AM

2018-12-31T11:54:25-05:00

We drove the Navy non-coms in GITMO crazy by purposely calling each other Sergeant, for all ranks betwene e5 and e8 - (SGMs were always addressed as Sergeant-Major). The navy Master Chiefs and senior master chiefs got very upset if you just called them 'Chief', and could not understand why we didn't say Sergeant First Class or Staff Sergeant when addressing each other.

Response by GySgt Thomas Lieb made Jan 2 at 2019 3:06 PM

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Traditionally, in the Marine Corps, (when I was in uniform) unless invited by individual or unit custom, we would call everyone by their actual rank from Private to Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps (and of course the entire Officer Corps, including warrant Officers....an exception is made for Combat Arms Warrant Officers, as their semi-official title is "Gunner"....and although many other Marine warrant officers like it if you call them Gunner, the only "Official" Gunners are warrant officers in the combat arms) So if I was reporting new to a unit I would perhaps speak with the 0141 NCOIC as Sergeant, and he would address me as Gunnery Sergeant. Later I might allow as how he could call me Gunny, but I would always address him as Sergeant (unless in town and off duty) I have a personal friend of 30 or 40 years whom I rarely call Bob unless I am talking to one of our wives, nearly always call him Master Guns in private, and out of habit, when referring or speaking to him in public, say the full title Master Gunnery Sergeant (even though he's been retired nearly 20 years)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2019 9:48 PM

2019-01-10T21:48:39-05:00

It has always been the way that I do business, and don't think that it really matters as long as it is done out of respect.

Response by TSgt Carl Johnson made Jan 12 at 2019 3:10 AM

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I see it as a sign of respect. In the Air Force, E-8 is Senior Master Sergeant (SMSgt), and is addressed as Sergeant or Senior Master Sergeant according to the regulation. However, most of the troops that I was ever stationed with would call the SMSgt "Senior," for short. It was informally recognized as a show of respect. There was always a handful of non-SMSgts that didn't like it, though.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2019 12:30 PM

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It's just sergeant.

Response by MSgt Chandos Clapper made Jan 12 at 2019 6:42 PM

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Just don’t call me Sarge. He’s that fat guy on Beetle Bailey

Response by CPL Christopher Trafnik made Jan 12 at 2019 6:58 PM

2019-01-12T18:58:02-05:00

Showing respect won't hurt.

Response by Sgt Mervyn Russell made Jan 12 at 2019 9:56 PM

2019-01-12T21:56:43-05:00

In the Marines you would call an E-5 Sargent, E-6 Staff Sargent, E-7 Gunny and so on up the line. It was respect for the rank and fittingly so.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 12 at 2019 11:59 PM

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In the Marine Corps its called "self-preservation."

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Jan 13 at 2019 12:12 PM

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Shows respect whether it’s necessary or not.

Response by MSG Reid Zohfeld made Jan 13 at 2019 1:50 PM

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I was kind of taken back the first I wore the rank MSG and some said Master Sgt.
That being said my subordinates would call me Boss which was ok to me
I never was hung up on being or not being called MSG SGT or just SGT as long as the respect was there.
My soldiers knew I had their backs always so I never had any problems receiving my due

Response by GySgt Keith Rininger made Jan 13 at 2019 8:38 PM

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I don't know about what Master Sergeants/1st Sergeants think, but if anyone called me Sergeant, my size 11 foot would be in their ass! I was a Sergeant as an E-5, no one had dared call me anything other than Gunny or Gunnery Sergeant as an E-7. I know I always used the proper rank when I addressed anyone else in the Military, Private through Officer ranks.

Response by SSG Shannon Howe made Jan 14 at 2019 8:29 AM

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To me it just doesn’t feel right to just call a MSG “sergeant.” Idk why, it just doesn’t.

Response by PO1 Robert Wikert made Jan 14 at 2019 3:25 PM

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Try calling a Marine GySgt, Sgt, and stand by... Lol

Response by PO1 Robert Wikert made Jan 14 at 2019 3:27 PM

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And in that same vein, call a Navy Senior Chief, or Master Chief, Chief, I believe you are going to get a chunk taken out of your ass...

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Jan 14 at 2019 4:00 PM

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I have a buddy who is an Army SFC. He is so jealous of me being called Gunny that he can't stand it.

Response by SGM Harlan Greeves made Jan 14 at 2019 11:44 PM

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There are three sergeants in the Army they are Sergeant, First Sergeant, Sergeant Major

Response by MSG Richard Medina made Jan 15 at 2019 11:50 AM

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It's just extra. During the last time I was in Iraq(2008-09)the full rank was used quite abit by alot of ppl. The last time on active duty, I was called "Top" by a SGM(Staff Sergeant Major). Which was used alot back in the 80's and 90's for a MSG or 1SG, due to them achieving the highest sergeant rank at the company level.

Response by 1stSgt Tom McGarry made Jan 15 at 2019 9:04 PM

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1st Sgt, MSgt
Sergeant is a sign of respect, whether, Buck Sgt or Senior Master Sergeant.

Response by PO1 Edward Pate made Jan 16 at 2019 9:16 AM

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Well I was Navy so anyone E4 to E6 would be addressed as PO or their rate like ET2. E7 to E9 always chief, Senior Chief or Master Chief.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Jan 16 at 2019 9:46 AM

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It is for me. I called Staff Sergeants who were "on the ball" by their full rank. Adding the extra was always a show of respect for me.

Response by SCPO Rick Hunter made Jan 16 at 2019 10:44 AM

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I'm a retired Navy Corpsman, having spent about 11 years with the FMF, it was very difficult later to work with both Army and Air Force NCOs and not address them by their full grade. Although, Sergeant First Class Wojohorowicz is a mouthful, I pretty much always succeeded until the SFC, MSG SGM or AF equivalent grade told me call them just Sergeant. In the Marines one does not address a SSGT, GYSGT MSGT as Sergeant, if they're in a good mood and you haven't ruined it by demoting them, they'll tell you flat out they've been promoted, one, two or three times from Sergeant.

And we all know the Navy is different, E-4, 5 & 6 are all addressed as Petty Officer. So I guess it's just the Marines who are different. Go figure. SEMPER FI

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2019 12:03 PM

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The only time I correct anyone is if the continuously call me by the wrong rank, whether it is SFC or SGM... I always call E6 as SSG or E7 as SFC when addressing them but don’t necessarily expect them to call me MSG.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2019 8:45 PM

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As a 1SG, i feel each soldier has earned his or her rank, so I address the soldier as so.

Response by 1SG Michael Brooks made Jan 17 at 2019 8:38 AM

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I think "Sergeant" is fine, appropriate and the common sense way of communicating.We are all non-commissioned officers doing the Nations business. CPL, 1SG, and SGM are all special Selections and Must be addressed as such. I never had a problem with being "top" lets use one syllable instead of three in the pursuit of efficiency.

Response by CW3 Larry Swails made Jan 18 at 2019 9:54 AM

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Master Sergeants, just as 1SG and CSM, SGM, should be addressed by their full rank.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Jan 18 at 2019 1:35 PM

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Call them by their first name. What, too Air Forcey?

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Jan 18 at 2019 4:09 PM

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During staff meetings and briefings I preferred being called MasterSergeant and most of the times it was that way once I put the diamond in there I loved being called Top by my Soldiers and 1SG during staff events and briefings

Response by MSgt Shawn Sones made Jan 18 at 2019 4:44 PM

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I preferred being called Sarge or just Sergeant, because I am and was old school; had a Reservist call me "Master Dude" on a Reserve weekend once, needless to say I chewed his ass up one side and down the other. As a retiree, and civilian contractor, I don't mind being called Mister, but STILL hate when someone says, "Sir...".

Response by SFC Ben Waring made Jan 18 at 2019 11:24 PM

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A good NCO is not wrapped up in titles. That being said I feel it is an indicator of the quality of the soldier rendering the added respect.

Response by Sgt Edward Padget made Jan 19 at 2019 2:57 AM

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Respect

Response by SFC Zohn Tennyson made Jan 20 at 2019 12:51 PM

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Well, back in the day

Response by SSG James N. made Jan 20 at 2019 6:25 PM

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From day one, I called every E5 and up by their full rank. No one admonished me, ever. Oh, the few who I DID call Sarge(you now, a shit eatin fish that lives on the bottom of the sea) never had a clue they were being disrespected. As a Staff Sergeant, I still did it and yes, the fools who I addressed as Sarge still had no clue.

Response by CW3 Walter Goerner made Jan 20 at 2019 7:59 PM

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The informal address is "Sergeant". The formal address is Master Sergeant.

Response by 1SG Cj Grisham made Jan 20 at 2019 11:02 PM

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As a former 1SG and MSG, I can say it doesn't matter to me. I was called both in the military and never felt that one was more or less respectful than the other. I know other services make that distinction, but the Army doesn't. I'm sure there are some Master Sergeants who think quite highly of themselves that would prefer the additional label, but most of us don't really.

Response by MSgt David Frazier made Jan 21 at 2019 12:08 AM

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The Top Three (E7-E9) are Senior NCOs as such they deserve to be addressed by their full rank. Try calling a Chief Master Sgt a ,Sergeant, and see what happens.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2019 8:28 AM

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In the Marine Corps you wouldn’t dare call a Master Sgt Anything other than that. An E-5 Sergeant is the only rank you call Sergeant. If you see a Staff Sergeant you would say “good morning, afternoon, or evening, or just “Rah” Staff Sergeant. They earned their rank and deserve the respect of the rank they are. I went to MOS School at Fort Lee VA, and saw over and over Army Pvt’s and Pfc’s calling SSGT, and SFC just “Sergeant”. At first I was super confused and didn’t understand, but I Asked one of the soldiers in my class and he told me that E-5 through E-7 can be referred to as Sergeant. Like I said I have no issue with it, you guys have your customs and courtesies and we have ours. But this is good to know for you in case you ever come in contact with a Marine Corps SSGT, GySgt, and above, because if you call them Sergeant get ready for a world of hurt. Just wanted to give you the Marine Corps side of it. Oorah, Re-enlist

Response by 1SG John Bullen made Jan 21 at 2019 1:30 PM

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My rank now is Retired. Best job I ever had...

Response by SSG Jeffrey Monk made Jan 21 at 2019 4:04 PM

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Personally I've always have used the full rank. I feel its a respect thing most I have worked with deserved but none have never made anyone use.

Response by MAJ Rick Scruggs made Jan 21 at 2019 5:05 PM

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Always address a NCO by his full rank.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2019 9:57 PM

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I say MSG is appropriate granted you have a long enough history of the MSG leadership and know him as a proven Senior NCO. You have the courtesy and respect to address him or her as Master SGT. There is nothing out of line with that. Now if you are not too sure of the MSG and just want to show common ground respect, then I agree SGT is sufficient enough from SGT to MSG.

Response by MSG Eryk Yoakam (Retired) made Jan 22 at 2019 11:24 AM

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I found that those whom respected me referred to me as Master Sergeant, those that didn't, Sergeant. My troops always (without being told to) referred to me by Master Sergeant. Now, my 1SG and CO Commander who had little respect for me (and it went both ways) made sure to refer to me as Sergeant in front of the troops. In the end, it comes down to respect. Either way is acceptable, either is appropriate.

Response by SPC Matthew Rouse made Jan 22 at 2019 11:38 AM

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only ones I ever gave full name to was 1st sgt and csm.. all others were just sergeant. e-5 to e-8.. even the csm was sergeant major so and so.

Response by COL Thomas F. made Jan 22 at 2019 4:59 PM

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When I was a cadet at ROTC Advance Camp (1994), there was a movement a foot to call NCOs by their entire rank and not just "Sergeant". I inferred the collective Army wanted to fall in line with the USMC who, if I understand correctly, conduct this practice of addressing their NCOs in this manner. Except for Gunny... its just Gunny. Now, I did that to an Army MSG at camp and he went off the hook. After I explained what I heard and read, he relaxed a bit but it was like I just some slur. Over the years I haven't seen this trend really take off. Maybe its just for the junior enlisted and not so much in the officer ranks. Either way, there should be no repercussion because you use the entire title. I find saying the full title a term of endearment. Some NCOs like it. Some look at you funny. Maybe saying "sergeant first class" over and over again can get annoying, but "staff sergeant" and "master sergeant" isn't that hard to say. I guess in perspective, it would be like saying, "Yes, Lieutenant Colonel", "No, Lieutenant Colonel". That just sounds dumb. There is a thing called a phone colonel, where the LTC says "Colonel Jones speaking" when answering and not identifying themselves as a LTC. Its a faux pas and frowned upon in the officer ranks. When you make Master Sergeant, let us know what you like to be called.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2019 7:36 PM

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It's ok to call them master sergeant. Regulation says no. Other branch you have to address them by their ranks specially Marines or you get your @#$ chewed.

Response by SGT Chris Hotchkiss made Jan 23 at 2019 7:22 PM

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I was always told, if they don't have anything in their chevron's, you just call em Sarge.

Response by HN James Rudin made Jan 23 at 2019 11:05 PM

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We call a navy E 9 a master chief. We don't say their entire rank master chief Petty officer. I believe it's respectful to say master sgt. As well not calling a master chief just a chief.

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made Jan 25 at 2019 9:38 AM

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It's just extra, and outside the regulations. AR 600-20 Army Command Policy Table 1-1 lists the proper address for all ranks. The proper address for a MSG is "Sergeant".

Response by 1SG Dale Cantrell made Jan 26 at 2019 11:23 PM

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I retired as MSG, every body from E-1 to O-6 called me by Master Sargent , now retired , they still call me Master Sargent

Response by MSG Dick Elias made Feb 6 at 2019 11:21 PM

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You can say that by addressing a MSG by its full title just shows respect. I've been called Sergeant Elias, or MSG for short. I responded to either one. All is in the intent of title used.

Response by SSG Sandra Sutherland made Feb 18 at 2019 12:42 AM

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Calling them by their full rate is appropriate.

Response by MSgt Kevin Zimmerli made Feb 26 at 2019 5:26 PM

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My last active duty assignment was to HQ AFSOUTH, a NATO command in Naples, Italy. US facilities in Naples are run by the US Navy. As part of Navy culture, they always referred to me by my full title, Master Sergeant. It felt a little odd, at first, but I got used to it. While it is not required by Army, Air Force (or Marine?) regs, It is just a little extra respect. These days, the only time I hear my full title is when I am called up while waiting for an appointment at the base clinic. ;)

Response by SGT George Duncan made Mar 1 at 2019 7:54 PM

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just show respect and believe me he had to clime that ladder that's in front of you"respect"

Response by SSG Paul Teatro made Mar 5 at 2019 12:12 PM

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You summed it up niceley, it begins with customs and courtesies, and flows from there. A professional Soldier should always show the respect earned, regardless of personal feelings for the person, that is tact. A well rounded Soldier/ NCO should have a superior grasp of all these.

Response by CPT Derek Wren made Mar 5 at 2019 2:36 PM

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Either or is acceptable. Granted regulation states one thing, however in my personal opinion as a prior Captain They’ve earned the rank and time in service therefore I always referred to them as Master Sergeant. Choice is yours. And if it’s a person you’re going to be around a lot you might even pull to the side and talk with them one on one. Again strictly up to you.

Response by Sgt Danny Cannan made Mar 5 at 2019 5:12 PM

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I served 12yrs in the Marine Corps and any Marine will address a Master Sergeant as a Master Sergeant,and A Master Gunnery Sergeant as a Master Gunnery Sergeant!! Thats RESPECT.They earned it!!

Response by LTC James Boland made Mar 5 at 2019 5:50 PM

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I believe when referring to a Master Sergeant it is proper and desireable to refer to him or her as Master Sergeant. If respondding to in inquiry by a Msgt., I also believe the answer should also include the full title of Master Sergeant. Ex: "Yes Master Sergeant" is much more desisreable and respectful than " yes sergeant." I re c all the words of wisdom once shared with me by a First Sergeant. He said " Officers Command the Army. That is What Officers Do. "This Companyi is commanded by CPT XXXX but I run the sun of a bitch." And so it is. Sergeants run the Army and Master Sergeants are at the top of the game.

Response by LTC Ric Sasse made Mar 5 at 2019 6:29 PM

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I am a retired LTC and would call an E-8 "Sergeant " . But I always called an E-9 "Sergeant Major", even in one case I remember where the sergeant was acting in the Sergeant Majors position.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2019 11:53 PM

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I refer to our MSG by full rank off and on but not consistently. I do believe acknowledging the rank is important but I also feel that quick communication is key, which means I'm not going to use rank every other word. Enough to show respect to your rank and acknowledge what you earned, but not so much that it gets in the way of taking care of business and speedy communication.

Response by Sgt Edward Moore made Mar 6 at 2019 8:26 AM

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Give them all the respect they deserve.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2019 2:24 PM

2019-03-06T14:24:25-05:00

You should call everyone by their rank you nasty thing.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 6 at 2019 2:24 PM

2019-03-06T14:24:49-05:00

You should call everyone by their rank you nasty thing.

Response by Sgt Robert Gardner made Mar 6 at 2019 7:57 PM

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When I was in a Seargent was
A Seargent, that’s it.

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made Mar 6 at 2019 11:45 PM

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At one time the Master Sergeant was known as a Master Chief Sergeant. Back then they were refereed to as "Chief". That title was dropped in the early 1980's. Since then different units and schools have different rules. It is up to the situation and this is from the Army standpoint.

Response by CSM John Nichols made Mar 7 at 2019 1:00 PM

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It is showing a higher respect. I retired as a Command Sergeant Major and many Soldiers addressed me as either CSM or Command Sergeant Major when all they had to address me as Sergeant Major. I have no problem with showing the respect as the Soldier wearing the rank earned it

Response by SSgt Randy Waters made Mar 7 at 2019 6:16 PM

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Respect.

Response by LCpl Leland Jumper made Mar 8 at 2019 12:39 PM

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in the marines please call a ssgt on on just sgt. please!

Response by LCpl Leland Jumper made Mar 8 at 2019 12:40 PM

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Please call any one ssgt on up a sgt please!

Response by SFC Wayne Garcia made Mar 8 at 2019 7:26 PM

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Regulation, ran into that many times. Too many times I had to explain what title and rank meant.

Response by CSM Frank Graham made Mar 9 at 2019 2:20 AM

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I agree with CSM Z response. Nothing wrong saying Master Sergeant . I did it as a sign of respect.

Response by SFC Phillip Meine made Mar 9 at 2019 7:35 AM

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I spent 23+ years in the Guard. I always call them E-8 as either master sergeant or first sergeant (Top). E-5 to E-7 just sergeant. I was always very unimpressed with any E-6 or E-7 who was offended, insulted, or bothered when a soldier did not add the Staff for an E-6 or First Class for the E-7. I thought that was a sign of an overly inflated ego or a severe lack of confidence in their position. Now there are times when adding the extra is actually needed. As in you have NCOs with the same last name but different ranks. I retired out as an E-7 and I never expected or required a soldier to refer to me as Sergeant First Class. That just seemed overly arrogant to me.

Response by MAJ Fred Peterman made Mar 9 at 2019 10:17 AM

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I was enlisted and officer in both the Guard and the Air Force. I called senior NCO's by "Sergeant " when I was of less rank. My ward masters in Germany were Sgt Kroll and Sgt Curphey. Never Gunther or Roy (MSGT and SSGT.) The nurses were either Major Bennert or CPT McCabe. My friends were Charlotte (a Captain) and Linda (a Lt.) Both nurses.when I moved on, the NCO's were still SGT Biffle ( a Master Sergeant)
As an officer my superiors were Captain so and so, Major so and so. My friend's continued to be first name.Same continued in the Guard. Other "Army" people used rank as a part of the greeting. Old habits die hard. And I was an officer and a nurse. When I was the comander, it was Sgt, or lieutenant (not "lt").

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2019 11:50 AM

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By policy, it is a standard. There has been a historic nickname applied to Masters Sergeants, that of, "Top". Depending upon who you are dealing with, those who are Regulation Purists (no offense is intended) more than likely will not go along with this historic fad.
Correct me if I am wrong, but, according to AR, the proper titles to address are as follows:
Command Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major
First Sergeant
Master Sergeant
Sergeants First Class down to Sergeant will be referred to as Sergeant
I would be remiss if i did not mention the SOP for the Marine Corps where I began my military career. Marines of all ranks typically are addressed by their rank. Gunnery Sergeants tend not to get bent around the axe handle when they are called Gunny. I have heard on 1 occasion in 10 years where a Master Sergeant reprimanded a young Marine for calling him "Top". He shgvarply asked the young PFC, "TOP! Do I look like a childs toy?"
Another favorite term from both services is "First Shirt". I'll leave this alone, as it rarely seems to draw much if any criticism.
Use your judcgement, be respectful to all senior grades. Address them appropriately.

Response by PO1 Joseph Collins made Mar 9 at 2019 12:42 PM

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They earned it...and they deserve to be addressed accordingly.

Response by PO1 Joseph Collins made Mar 9 at 2019 12:43 PM

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....they earned it...they deserve to be addressed accordingly....

Response by SFC Wayne Garcia made Mar 9 at 2019 2:30 PM

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By the regulation. There's a reason it's there. I had problems with a lower ranking subordinate. She told me that I will refer to her as Private first class. Took her straight to the book. Showed her, her rank and title. Including my own. I was an SFC.

Response by SPC Jimmy Rooks I made Mar 9 at 2019 11:06 PM

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According to Army regulations in effect in 1987, ALL NCO ranks from E-5 thru Master Sgt. are to be addressed as "Sergeant so&so"! 1st Sgt's are to be addressed as "First Sergeant" & E-9's are to be addressed as "Sergeant Major"

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2019 1:06 PM

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Phone calls and correspondence is important to address as CSM or MSG. Other than that SGT is fine. In 30 years these two differences are all I have ever been told to do.

Response by PO2 Skip Kirkwood made Mar 10 at 2019 1:24 PM

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FMF Corpsman here. The Marine way is full rank. Except lieutenant colonels and generals, for some reason.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2019 2:19 PM

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I think you use a combination of both.

For instance saying something like, go see Master Sergeant Billings, you could use it all. So whomever you are telling knows that you are telling them to find a Master Sergeant.

But when Master sergeant Billings says something and you respond, you say, “roger, Sergeant. Or when asking the question, you say, “Sergeant Billings, can I do......”. Sometimes I think it is more appropriate for clarity to use the entire rank. But per the book, Sergeant is an acceptable response.

Response by SGT Tim Summers made Mar 10 at 2019 4:32 PM

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When I was in there were only 4 ways to address an NCO in the Army. Corporal, Sergeant, First Sergeant, and Sergeant Major

Response by SSgt James Carter made Mar 10 at 2019 10:27 PM

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Whatever happened to plain old "Sarge"?

Response by 1SG(P) Robert Williams made Mar 11 at 2019 9:56 AM

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Having been both, a 1st Sgt is not a forever rank ,MSG is. One can be a MSG and be appointed
To a. 1SG slot by orders. You are promoted to MSG. . I retired in a 1SG slot.
Anyone can correct me if I am incorrect, things may have changed. I have been retired since 1996.
I was also appointed to SGM , but never promoted to E9. .I retired as a E8 MSG.
Call me what ever, just keep the check and Tricare coming for 28 years of service.
Thanks to any and all for your service. God bless you.

Response by Sgt Fenner Harding Jr made Mar 11 at 2019 10:23 AM

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You must be in the Army. If you were in the Corps, this wouldn't even be a question. It's always master sergeant.

Response by CW3 Chris Davis made Mar 11 at 2019 6:44 PM

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How you address NCO's and Officers alike is addressed in AR 600–20 • 7 1–6. Military grade and rank Table 1–1 Grades of rank, U.S. Army, All ranks from E5 (SGT) to E8 (MSG) are addressed as Sergeant with the exception of First Sergeant and the Sergeants Major Ranks.
Grade of rank: Master Sergeant
Pay grade: E-8
Title of address: Sergeant
Abbreviation: MSG

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2019 12:19 PM

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As you said, it isn't required by regs, so I guess it's a matter of how egotistical the MSG is, lol!

Response by SSG Antonio Golden made Mar 12 at 2019 7:40 PM

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I think it just became an unwritten sign of respect. I started hearing it around 2004 and joined the majority around 2005 mainly because since everyone else was doing it, it made me seem like a disrespectful shithead.

Response by Melinda Curtis made Mar 13 at 2019 4:12 PM

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My son is a Staff Sergeant how is he addressed?

Response by MSG David King made Mar 16 at 2019 7:00 AM

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For a long time my first name was Sergeant, I never expected to be called Master Sergeant from anyone but got it from everyone. I would use my full rank only when answering the phone so people wold know who they are speaking to. I noticed the same thing with Drill Sergeants who back in the day (old school) were properly referred to as Sergeant. I did consider it a sign of respect and would not correct anyone who did it.

Response by 1SG David George made Apr 5 at 2019 7:02 PM

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It depends on the NCO individual but when in doubt always call NCO's from E6 up. Better not to become too familiar. When I was first called "Top" is was different to be sure.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2019 3:55 PM

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If you call call them by MSG are you doing it for all of them or a select few that you like?

Response by COL John Power made Apr 16 at 2019 4:00 PM

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In my Army experience we called all Sergeants of any grade "Sergeant" except for the 1SG who was always called "First Sergeant" at least on initial contact and any SGM who was called "Sergeant Major".

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2019 1:51 PM

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This question is really service-specific. Different services have different regulations and customs as to how to address and/or refer to personnel of different ranks.

ONLY in the Army do we specify that personnel in the grades of E-5 through E-8 be addressed as "Sergeant" with the exception of "First Sergeant". And honestly, it's just extra. I became a WO1 and had a MSG try to drop me for pushups for addressing him as Sergeant (Lastname) [funny, it's always us men who get into these stupid pissing contests...never heard of women doing it]. Needless to say, I walked away from him laughing. He complained to the commander later on, but I never heard anything about the outcome. Nor did I care. I'm sure the commander chewed on him for a bit.

Response by Sgt Ivan Kenter made Apr 23 at 2019 10:23 AM

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As a MARINE, if you called a SSgt Sergeant, you got your ass chewed badly, you addressed them by proper rank.

Response by TSgt Daniel Lediard made Apr 26 at 2019 3:52 AM

2019-04-26T03:52:22-04:00

It is neither. I asked my son who is a M.SGT in the USAF Security Forces what he thought of the question. He smiled and said: Sounds like a real suck-up. Then he said he would keep an eye on him for quite some time. Then, under his breath he mumbled something about ass-kissers. During Vietnam I was a USAF member of the Air Police (now Security Forces) and I got out as a TSgt. Putting aside the regulations, I agree with my son. When dealing with a butt-kisser - be certain to CYA.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Apr 26 at 2019 2:25 PM

2019-04-26T14:25:31-04:00

When it all come down to it. I have always called them by the full rank untill told to do other wise.
The simple fact is some people expect you to do so. Because they hould that rank.
Others want you to just call them SGT or by the first name. I have had all of them.
The best thing that worked for me was to call the by rank in public.
Then what they wanted me to call them in privet.
The First time I was in the ARMY you called every one by name and rank.
It did not matter if you were day one no buddys or if they had been in 25 years.
Just the was it was back in 1983 in the 82nd Air Borne.

Response by MGySgt Erik Burks made Apr 26 at 2019 6:03 PM

2019-04-26T18:03:10-04:00

It depends on the branch, as a Marine Sgt, Ssgt, GySgt or MSgt if someone addressed me as Sergeant as an E6-E8 I would have quickly corrected them. The Marine Corps uses the full rank. Now an E7 can be called Gunny a Master Sergeant can be called Top. But a First Sergeant is always First Sergeant. A Master Gunnery Sergeant can be called Master Guns, and Sergeant Majors are always addressed as Sergeant Major. Dealing with other branches using the full rank is always the best policy. The nick names are up to the individual Marine, I worked with a lot of Master Sergeants who did not want to be called Top. So every chance possible we would leave toy tops on their desk, in their car, and mail them to their home.

Response by SPC Jimmy Rooks I made May 15 at 2019 7:15 AM

2019-05-15T07:15:10-04:00

According to 1st Sgt Lee, ALL NCO's from buck sergeant to Master Sgt are to be addressed as "Sergeant"! 1st Sgt's are to be addressed as "First Sergeant" and ALL E-9's are to be addressed as "Sergeabt-Major"! That may have changed since '82, but I doubt it! It's ALSO against Regs to address Drill Sergeants as "Drill Sergeant"!

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made May 15 at 2019 7:17 AM

2019-05-15T07:17:39-04:00

I like calling sgm's smash. Like a potatoes after they had to salute me.

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made May 22 at 2019 6:20 AM

2019-05-22T06:20:45-04:00

I'm bothered by the same in the civilian world. As in, Governor Mike Huckabee. He's not the governor anymore. What does that say about the diminishing level of respect for the current governor.

Response by SGM Debra Bradshaw made Jun 8 at 2019 2:19 PM

2019-06-08T14:19:03-04:00

I learned early in my military career that either is acceptable but using a persons fully earned rank is proper and shows respect. You get what you give.

Response by MAJ Bruce Davie made Jun 8 at 2019 3:24 PM

2019-06-08T15:24:50-04:00

I ‘m a bit old school in this regard. My Dad was vintage WW2. He was a MSG/ E7. Shortly before the “super” NCO grades. When someone is promoted...their rank deserves respect...they earned that much. Respect for the person is earned.

Response by MSgt Willie Stovall made Jun 8 at 2019 6:45 PM

2019-06-08T18:45:16-04:00

I think it really depends on the branch of the service. In the Air Force, the only rank that requires full rank is Chief (E-9). In my day, it was a sign of respect to call the person "Chief" and then the rule changers said it had to be said. Made a lot of Chiefs angry.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jun 9 at 2019 7:07 AM

2019-06-09T07:07:42-04:00

This has been answered many times on RP. To keep it brief, it is not inappropriate, just a preference. I never called anyone Sergeant accept for a Sergeant, that was my preference. I believe it to be a sign of respect. They earned the rank in which they serve. They, like you serve in the most honorable profession on earth, why would you not show respect for titles earned and worthy of respect.

This is something in the regulations that should be re-evaluated. There is a hell of a lot of difference between each renal warranting individualized ways of identifying them in word. Thank you for your service b

Response by MGySgt James Brown made Jun 9 at 2019 10:52 AM

2019-06-09T10:52:44-04:00

That’s the Army way, but u can bet in the Corps if u called a Master Sergeant just Sergeant, u would get chewed out!!! Definitely shows the respect they deserve!!!
MGySgt, Retired

Response by SFC Peter Cyprian made Jun 9 at 2019 11:23 AM

2019-06-09T11:23:05-04:00

AR 600-20, forms of address, addresses the issue directly. So, at the very least, it is not disrespectful to call a Master Sergeant "sergeant". Other branches make a great deal of this, the Army does not. Go ahead and call a Senior Chief "Chief". You may require help finding where he threw your head after removing it (that's SENIOR CHIEF to you!!). Same goes for the other branches.....so, from the outsider perspective (other branches), they see it as disrespectful and we see it as following regulation with no disrespect intended or perceived.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 9 at 2019 6:30 PM

2019-06-09T18:30:33-04:00

Seems a tradition in the Army to call E5-E9 Sgt. Just like in the Corps someone could call me Gunny or call a MSgt “Top.” I think the one comment from an Army MSG who said he answered the phone as Sergeant and then had fun with an E5 Sergeant shows that the general use of Sgt could be used in person, but the full rank should be used otherwise where someone could not determine your rank. On the other hand I don’t really give a hoot cause it’s an Army tradition!

Response by SFC William White made Jun 9 at 2019 6:33 PM

2019-06-09T18:33:15-04:00

I was an SFC and didn't mind being called Sarge.

Response by SSgt David Marks made Jun 9 at 2019 10:23 PM

2019-06-09T22:23:35-04:00

It could be a higher sign of respect, however with today's attitude it could be that the MSgt, demands he/she be addressed that way then it's nothing but a higher ranking person on an ego trip and in the process, unknowingly, is putting down or disrespecting lower ranking Sgt's.

Response by SSG Herman Bauman made Jun 9 at 2019 10:43 PM

2019-06-09T22:43:11-04:00

It was my experience that if anyone outranked me, (officer or enlisted) if they didn't like how I addressed them, they let me know how they wanted to be addressed.

Response by SSgt John R Becker made Jun 10 at 2019 1:14 PM

2019-06-10T13:14:32-04:00

When I was in you just called the Sergeant. The rank was there you knew what rank they held and Sergeant was all that was necessary

Response by Cpl Derek Gravitt made Jun 10 at 2019 3:49 PM

2019-06-10T15:49:20-04:00

All really depends on your branch and what the regulations say. In the Marine Corps, for example, you address each Sgt by their full rank, not just Sgt. So Staff Sgt, Master Sgt, Gunnery Sgt, First Sgt, Master Gunnery Sgt etc. In those cases, because the Corps demands that level of differentiation it is what it is. When we'd deal cross branch, the same rules would apply... we would address each NCO, Staff NCO, SR NCO with their full rank.

For the Army, I guess it all really depends on context. If they're doing it to suck up (you can usually tell by the tone/body language etc) or if they're doing it out of respect (same rules.. tone/body language etc). Personally, if I held the rank and the culture said it was ok to address me as Sgt regardless of what type, then Id be fine with that.. Id be fine with the full rank as long as it wasnt being done out of malice (being a passive aggressive smart ass) or sucking up.

Response by 1SG Mark Tymon made Jun 11 at 2019 6:48 AM

2019-06-11T06:48:40-04:00

It's extra. According to regulation all E5 through E8 are referred to as sergeant

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Jun 11 at 2019 11:31 PM

2019-06-11T23:31:25-04:00

Its up to the Individual. Its easy in the Marine Corp an E-7 is Gunny E-8 and above is called Top. The Army doesn't have nicknames for the ranks E-7 and above. Semper Fi.

Response by MCPO Terry Sherwood made Jun 12 at 2019 11:09 AM

2019-06-12T11:09:38-04:00

I have been addressed as both 'Chief,' and 'Master Chief,' and either is acceptable. That said, whenever I am called MC, I immediately know the addresser knows the difference and I give that person better attention. I also automatically, mentally transition into the 'MC' mode and call myself into a higher standard. I will give my best advise, my best behavior, my best in anything I am engaged to do. As this specific address is a condition that achieving that rank demanded.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2019 11:38 PM

2019-06-12T23:38:10-04:00

I joined the Army out of High School in 1986. I say that to say this; until 2014, I never had anyone call me Sergeant after making Master Sergeant not had I ever called a Master Sergeant, Sergeant. We were always taught to show respect to MSG’s by addressing them by their rank. Especially, in combat arms units. In fact we usually went out of our way to avoid being seen by them. All that said, it’s definitely not “extra”.

Response by Cpl Gene Deatley made Jun 13 at 2019 3:06 PM

2019-06-13T15:06:26-04:00

In the Marines we called each rank by its formal description. There is no 'Sarge'. A gunnery sgt. can be called 'gunny', a captain can be called skipper. Everyone else is called by their formal rank.

Response by 1SG Victor Sotil made Jun 13 at 2019 3:18 PM

2019-06-13T15:18:19-04:00

Young Specialist, if anyone would like to address an MSG by the full title is just fine, but not necessary. No MSG will demand to be called Master Sergeant. Now, when introduce to someone else or his/her name is called the full title is appropriate.

Response by PO1 Jerry Williamson made Jun 13 at 2019 3:44 PM

2019-06-13T15:44:20-04:00

At that level a Master sergeant deserves the additional recognition and respect.

Response by PO3 Earl Artis made Jun 14 at 2019 12:21 AM

2019-06-14T00:21:43-04:00

Full Rank. Respect, Respect, Respect.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Jun 14 at 2019 7:46 AM

2019-06-14T07:46:49-04:00

another old post, the MSG should correct anyone who addresses them that way. Its like addressing a SSG on the Promotion list as SSG(P) verbally, its all fluff. When I was a MSG I proffered SGT, now I did get a kick out of calling SGM's/CSM's SMAGE but only the ones I knew that had a sense of humor.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2019 9:29 AM

2019-06-14T09:29:04-04:00

I do but it’s an old marine corps habit as we used to use full rank when addressing someone.

Response by Sgt Don Whiteley made Jun 14 at 2019 12:48 PM

2019-06-14T12:48:24-04:00

In the Marines, a MSGT was referred to as "Top", Master Gunnery Sergeant's as "Master Gunners", but Sgt. Majors were always referred to by their full title.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 14 at 2019 3:44 PM

2019-06-14T15:44:39-04:00

Just call them by their full rank... safest bet. However SFC is a mouthful.

Response by SGT Roger L Ormsbee made Jun 14 at 2019 5:27 PM

2019-06-14T17:27:36-04:00

Sign of respect

Response by MSG Pedro Soto made Jun 14 at 2019 9:30 PM

2019-06-14T21:30:33-04:00

I never had anyone call me sergeant when I was a MSG, like CSM Z mentioned is a sign of respect, when you wear certain rank is because you earned it. When you make 1sg, msg,sgm or csm you will understand. Thank you for your service.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2019 4:48 PM

2019-06-15T16:48:31-04:00

Growing up a "Navy Brat", I knew better than to call an E8 , "Chief". When I joined the Army, I carried the practice over to calling MSGs "Master Sergeant". Due to my upbringing, it just felt right.

Response by MSgt Pat Cronan made Jun 15 at 2019 5:05 PM

2019-06-15T17:05:45-04:00

It depends on your Branch of service. I was a MSgt in the USMC and every one SSgt and above was addressed by their full rank

Response by MSgt Alvin A. made Jun 15 at 2019 11:24 PM

2019-06-15T23:24:13-04:00

I called a two striper A1C a "Sarge" the other day at MPF (it used to be called CBPO) but 19 years after hanging it up I found I can get away with just about anything I want to say. It made her day...

Response by SP5 Jeannie Carle made Jun 16 at 2019 4:26 AM

2019-06-16T04:26:01-04:00

Personally, I wouldn't consider calling a MSG just Sgt. There's a lot of time, work, accomplishment between E5 and E8. I just wouldn't feel "right" or "respectful" doing that, and some part of me would expect a reprimand!

Response by CDR Tom Davy made Jun 17 at 2019 7:57 AM

2019-06-17T07:57:12-04:00

I'm a Navy mustang with nine years with the Marines, I always address a Senior NCO/Chief my their full rank. The chain-of-command works both ways.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2019 10:12 PM

2019-06-17T22:12:24-04:00

Well, "Sergeant" is simply easier and less confusing, certainly easier on the ears for the said higher-ranking sergeants, but I've seen MSGs get called both, and there wasn't really anything wrong with it. From what I've seen, it's more a term of respect or even endearment.

Response by CW4 Craig Urban made Jun 24 at 2019 12:47 AM

2019-06-24T00:47:17-04:00

A little extra. How about Top
He or she would love that.

Response by SFC William Allen made Jun 28 at 2019 6:06 AM

2019-06-28T06:06:56-04:00

I got mobilized for Noble Eagle and sent to the MP school at Ft Lenard Wood MO. There I met an Army Reserve Drill Sargeant who insisted I address him as "Master Sargeant. I was an SFC at the time and alittle put off by this but I adopted an attitude of "Let the baby have his bottle" attitude and stuck it up his butt every chance I got. The 1st Sargeant of the training company got wind of this and used it as an excuse to ream his butt (apparently they did not get along). Army regulations state that the NCO ranks be addressed by the title "Sargeant" with the exception of 1st Sargeant and Sargeant Major.

Response by SFC Roger Herron made Jul 2 at 2019 2:21 PM

2019-07-02T14:21:31-04:00

Depends on whether the lower rank is a straight up, a suck up, or just a f**k up. I always addressed the First Sgt. as with his title, but any other sgt's. of various rank, just a Sgt. Today's military, with social media driven vanity; Who knows?

Response by SFC Javier CruzColon made Jul 14 at 2019 8:22 AM

2019-07-14T08:22:29-04:00

The question is why we are the only arm forces that don't acknowledge the rank of the soldier's. Don't even call the senior NCO by the full title, but there is a sister branch like a US Marine, were they have been addressed by his full title all his Marines. Few years ago I worked as US Army Recruiter I conducted a class presentacion where we both were showcase to the students of a High school. We both enter the auditorium he came the Marine SSG. here came the Army SGT. Why we take away from our ranks titles?
And other Branches of the arm forces recognize the hark work it took to earn it and recognized it?The Marine and I we both had the same rank but the just call me sergeant. I even had been ask if his rank is higher than my...

Response by MSgt William Gross made Jul 24 at 2019 8:47 PM

2019-07-24T20:47:01-04:00

Branch of service also may play a factor. Within the Air Force it is completely appropriate to call SSGT - SMSGT "Sgt" however a CMSGT should be called "Chief" or by full rank.

Response by SGT Mike Bemis made Jul 27 at 2019 12:26 PM

2019-07-27T12:26:24-04:00

I always called e-8's and 9's "top"
if we had a decent working relationship. I feel like using the full title is a bit unnecessary during day to day operations. If they're around other ranking people that I don't know, then the full title comes out to show that they have the respect of their soldiers.

Response by Cpl Ted Moore made Jul 27 at 2019 4:29 PM

2019-07-27T16:29:39-04:00

My experience in the M.C. was that courtesies like how you address each other are pretty rigid. It didn't imply a higher degree of respect. It was just the fact that rank is everything in the Corps. I worked for Master Sergeants most of the time. It was always "Ma'Sergeant" or "Fir'Sergeant". I was never so familiar with a Gunnery Sergeant that I could say "Gunny" or "Guns". Referring to Marines by their first name was insane-in-the-membrane.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 4 at 2019 8:30 PM

2019-08-04T20:30:16-04:00

Fuck that... if you call a MSG a SGT, he'd better have your ass. Fucker earned that title, earned thre respect of being called Master. 1SG is the same pay rate, why wouldn't you call another E8 by their rank? It's like calling a general a lieutenant general without regard of who or what it means toi wear stars.

Response by A1C Howard Leach made Aug 9 at 2019 7:34 AM

2019-08-09T07:34:55-04:00

Definitely being extra. Who are they trying to impress?

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Aug 9 at 2019 11:01 PM

2019-08-09T23:01:13-04:00

As I remember from the lessons taught those decades ago in basic training, full rank is the proper form of address. However, by habit, influence from others, and familiarity with one another we tend to move away from the formal and use more relaxed forms of greeting. Those more relaxed forms do not necessarily mean there is any less degree of respect and should not be assumed to be less.

Response by CPO Dale Dietzman made Aug 13 at 2019 10:02 AM

2019-08-13T10:02:01-04:00

I believe tradition, as well as regulation, varies by service branch, in my experience. In the Navy, for example the Chief Petty Officer was the highest enlisted rate until the late 1950s., when the "Super Chiefs" were forced upon us by the Pentagon. While the distinction of Senior or Master Chief may matter within the Chief's mess, privately, to ALL outsiders, again in my experience, you are either a CHIEF or you are not. And I never knew ANY Chief, however long he or she had been Senior or Master, who took offense at being addressed as "Chief", whether by juniors or seniors. Chief Petty Officers are a breed apart, and this is acknowledged by all Navy and Coastie personnel, and the fact that they change uniforms when they becomes Chiefs acknowledge the distinction.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2019 10:53 PM

2019-08-23T22:53:13-04:00

If you're not following the regulation, are you really showing respect?

Response by SSG Mannix Brooks made Sep 13 at 2019 3:08 PM

2019-09-13T15:08:58-04:00

Usually when anybody in the Army calls SSGs, SFCs, or MSGs anything other than Sergeant it is usually from somebody who outranks you either out of congratulations (you just got promoted), out of spite/slight(superiority complex) or you are in trouble (1SG, CSM, CPT and above). I do know the Marines address troops by their full rank title out of tradition but it's not an Army practice but okay and when it's done by a subordinate they are brown-nosing, as a form of congratulating you on a recent promotion or doing a good job on something, or to remind you of your position as the person in charge of something that just got jacked however those FUBAR situations comes from superiors and subordinates. Not necessary but not wrong either is the final verdict.

Response by Sgt Michael Reyes made Dec 11 at 2019 3:40 PM

2019-12-11T15:40:42-05:00

In the Marine Corps, calling a Sergeant by their full title is done out of respect for the rank as well as to differentiate ourselves from the Army... who seem to take the lazy way out and just use Sergeant for all levels of Sergeant.

Response by MSG Donald Patrick made Jun 28 at 2020 12:54 AM

2020-06-28T00:54:29-04:00

Until the last 20 years the official title of a Master Sergeant was Master Sergeant. Someone saw fit to change that address back to Sergeant during that time. Those who retired as such prior to 2004 retain that title of address.

Response by MSG James Devereaux made Nov 14 at 2020 8:53 AM

2020-11-14T08:53:10-05:00

Without knowing the Senior NCO, you should always use full rank. It felt weird to me at first but I was 34 and I realized that I wasn’t doing any favors by allowing soldiers to call me anything other than MSG.

Response by CSM Tony Blair made Nov 20 at 2020 10:21 PM

2020-11-20T22:21:45-05:00

Now correct me if I’m wrong,
But if I remember correctly, there are only three NCO ranks,
SGT
1SG
CSM
And it’s become a custom to address a NCO by their rank ...ie SSG.
But by regulations he/she (SSG) can be addressed by sergeant.

Response by 1stSgt Tom McGarry made Jan 11 at 2021 6:24 PM

2021-01-11T18:24:09-05:00

During my Career you were addressed as Sergeant up to E-9 then you were addressed as Chief. 1st Sergeant was addressed as First Sergeant (and probably a lot of other things behind his back).

Response by MSG Donald Patrick made Jan 26 at 2021 1:33 AM

2021-01-26T01:33:19-05:00

Master Sergeants were required to be addressed as ‘Master Sergeant’ up until the late 90s. Someone at DA decided it wasn’t necessary. AR 600-10 was changed then. Several of my bosses asked me if they could drop the ‘Master’ said it was too much of a mouth full. They did me the honor of ‘top’. Quick and short.

Response by SGT Everett Fray made Mar 18 at 2021 4:26 PM

2021-03-18T16:26:05-04:00

IT THE PROPER TITLE FOR THE GRADE .

Response by MSG Terry Lingle made May 16 at 2021 3:50 PM

2021-05-16T15:50:06-04:00

IMO it’s just extra. In twenty years active duty, retiring as a Master Sergeant, I only had one soldier call me by my full rank and I always felt as though he was being patronizing or a brown noser. Sergeant is regulatory and it’s what I wanted to hear from subordinates ...and superiors (in rank).

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made May 16 at 2021 7:36 PM

2021-05-16T19:36:19-04:00

If you do not know the person, then I recommend addressing that person as "Master Sergeant." Do so until and/or unless that persons states a preference. It's not "extra." It's what they earned. When you become a Master Sergeant (in any of the services) you will understand.

Now, at some point, that person might prefer something else. That's great! Address them as they wish and everything will be okay.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made May 16 at 2021 8:29 PM

2021-05-16T20:29:21-04:00

When I was in E6 and up we used Staff Sgt, E-7 Gunny, E-8 Master Sgt we called Top, E-8 First Sgt was just that, 1st Sgt, E-9 Master Sgt we also called Top and E-9 Sgt Major. Not sure how the Army does it. I always felt if they earned the rank they should be called appropriately by the rank.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made May 16 at 2021 10:51 PM

2021-05-16T22:51:37-04:00

You call a CSM and an SGM "Sergeant Major", Right? I bet you call a 1SG, "First Sergeant".
In Calling a MSG, "Master Sergeant" it is just simply the correct form of saying their rank.
It's a tradition to call a higher rank by their full rank. It shows recognition of their authority.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made May 17 at 2021 8:25 AM

2021-05-17T08:25:07-04:00

I was always Sergeant or Sarge depending on whether I knew him or not. 1SG always Top, top soldier or top sergeant. SGM always Sergeant major.

Response by MSgt George Maynard made May 17 at 2021 11:04 AM

2021-05-17T11:04:01-04:00

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Response by 1SG Christian Chenard made Jul 18 at 2021 8:06 PM

2021-07-18T20:06:02-04:00

I think saying “Master sergeant” is a sign of courtesy and/or respect. There are two reasons why some are called “top”: 1. They are the highest ranking NCO in a unit, a detachment or a staff element of a Bn or higher, or those who know them and work with them appreciate their leadership and express it in that manner.

Response by MSG James Devereaux made Aug 22 at 2021 3:38 PM

2021-08-22T15:38:53-04:00

I guess this new army where you can choose your sex requires such specificity.