Is field grade article 15 for fraternization normal?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 21 Aug 2021 23:26:00 -0400

My friend getting it for get caught with his PSG bit she don't lose rank?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2021 12:13 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 00:13:58 -0400

You're going to have to give more information, but BC's and BDE commanders typically handle these kinds of issues in my experience. Sometimes they delegate it down.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Aug 22 at 2021 12:48 AM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 00:48:17 -0400

That's not uncommon at all.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2021 1:32 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 01:32:31 -0400

Normal? Sure. But, it's their bed. Don't fret over something that doesn't involve you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2021 4:33 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 04:33:05 -0400

It shouldn’t be normal. They can both lose money and rank if the commander wants to make an example out of them.

Response by SSG Laurie Mullen made Aug 22 at 2021 4:38 AM

SSG Laurie Mullen — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 04:38:24 -0400

You only see what's happening to your friend, you most likely won't see what happens to the PSG. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean that she isn't facing any repercussions from her actions.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2021 5:32 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 05:32:36 -0400

Your friend is getting a slap on the wrist. That PSG is seeing the end of their career and possibly being kicked out a few years shy of retirement. It's very, very difficult to take rank from a SFC, but it's a very simple thing to let QMP evaluate and kick them out.

Response by SSG Russell Busicchia made Aug 22 at 2021 10:07 AM

SSG Russell Busicchia — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:07:48 -0400

Back in the 1972s I knew a male E5 who dated a female 1LT. The lieutrnant caught a lot of flack from the other officers, she was the only female officer in the unit. Nothing happened to him. She resigned her commission and he ETS'd. They got married and he became an engineer. It was not uncommon to hear of male officers dating female enlisted but you never heard anything about it. The Army appears to be selective about who they decide to punish for fraternization. You can count on the command taking action if the relationship gets toxic or affects morale.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Aug 22 at 2021 11:44 AM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 11:44:59 -0400

Way back when at my second AIT, we had a verynlarge platoon (250ish) and a very large portion of that was re-class (MOS-T, 80ish). We had over a dozen FG art 15s for fraternization, with almost every single person losing rank, from PFC to SSG.

Yes, in my experience FG is normal.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Aug 22 at 2021 1:14 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sun, 22 Aug 2021 13:14:43 -0400

Your friend is getting the light end of the deal- if they are still young and have time, they can soldier out of it maybe. The PSG on the other will get an NCOER that makes Trump/Biden look like Angels- no promotion board is going to touch them and QMP will be on them like a steak dinner