Is Islam intolerant?

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:57 -0400

Here is a petition where Muslims in Germany are asking to discontinue Oktoberfest as they claim it is an anti-Islamic event.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.change.org/p/city-of-munich-ban-the-intolerant-and-anti-islamic-event-of-oktoberfest

City of Munich: Ban the Intolerant and Anti-Islamic event of Oktoberfest

Dear City council of Munich, I am writing this letter to bring to your attention something that I and many Muslims believe is unfair and requires attention. I would like to inform you that the Oktoberfest is an Intolerant and Anti-Islamic event. We tried to ignore the event, but there too many Un-Islamic acts done at the Oktoberfest. Such as alcohol consumption, public nudity etc. We understand that the Oktoberfest is a yearly German...

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2015 5:37 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:37:04 -0400

Well...

There are a ton of non-Christian, and non-Buddhist, and non-Hindu acts completed all over the world. Some by Muslims.

If you try not to offend anyone, you literally can't do anything. This is not against Muslims in particular, but Munich can't end Oktoberfest as a result of this.

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Sep 16 at 2015 5:39 PM

CW4 Guy Butler — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:39:31 -0400

I'd file this right next to the "build the Death Star" petition...

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Sep 16 at 2015 5:41 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:41:31 -0400

That petition has less than 500 signatures and there's no way to know if the poster is even who he claims he is. It's hard to derive any broader conclusions from it.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2015 5:52 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:52:48 -0400

There are sects within Islam that are intollerant. Most are not. This is an outlyer and will not be given an ear in Germany. Germany won't cancel Octoberfest. America won't cancel Thanksgiving. There are some things that a culture will not condone. When we said, "Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses," we also made it clear that America had a culture that you were expected to adjust to. We didn't say it, but it was there...and it was thunderous. Tiny segments of society that do not blend in with the culture around them are dangerous and will cause problems for society as a whole. There is room for multiple cultures, but the larger societal culture must be understood and worked within.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2015 5:55 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:55:47 -0400

I have long ago decided that IF:

I quit eating everything that some says will kill me, quit drinking everything that someone says will kill me, and quit doing everything that some says will kill me THEN

I will die within 30 days either from starvation. thirst, or boredom.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Sep 16 at 2015 7:33 PM

LTC Stephen F. — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:33:09 -0400

If you mean by intolerant you mean that where the majority of the population identifies themselves as Muslim and they control the reins of government, that they will fulfill the requirements of the Koran to (1) impose a tax on those who do not believe that Islam is the way; (2) that they will treat those people as second class citizens at best and slaves; and (3) where Wahhabi doctrine is prominent they will kill unbelievers or what they consider apostate Muslims - then yes I consider to be intolerant in the true sense of the word.
Tolerance only applies to what we disagree with. Islam "tolerates" unbelief when it is a tiny minority because the Koran instructs its followers to lie in such circumstances.
However, I submit that "intolerant" does not express the strength of the feeling that sincere Muslims have to those who do not subscribe to their faith.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Sep 16 at 2015 8:16 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:16:05 -0400

LTC Frank Di Muccio, Please rephrase your question to: "What is Islam tolerant and accepting of?" Responses to that might be more enlightening.

Noting that the current mass of refugees are fleeing to 'western nations' rather than other Muslim nations, what does that speak of their benevolence and brotherly love?

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Sep 16 at 2015 8:26 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:26:13 -0400

not any more intolerant than Christians.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2015 10:04 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:04:46 -0400

Tell them they are welcome to leave

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2015 11:16 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:16:39 -0400

No. Extremists sects within Islam are intolerant. Just like extremist sects within any other socio-economic grouping.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2015 11:48 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:48:40 -0400

Let me get this right........Muslim citizens want the world to be tolerant of their religion and want the country of Germany to STOP with holding Oktoberfest? Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa.......that's gonna happen. I love that mentality of "Be tolerant of us....but we are not going to be tolerant of you." And the ever popular "You need to change your way of life so we are no longer offended."

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Sep 17 at 2015 12:20 PM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 12:20:19 -0400

You do realize that this is a false story?
Does that even matter at RP anymore?
http://m.snopes.com/ban-oktoberfest-petition/

Break Oktoberfest

FACT CHECK: Are Muslim refugees demanding that the city of Munich, Germany, ban Oktoberfest? Claim: Muslim refugees are demanding that the city of Munich, Germany, ban Oktoberfest. FALSE Example: [Collected via email, September 2015] Is this true? Muslims demands Munich end ‘anti-Islamic’ Oktoberfest? Origins: On 11 September 2015, a petition was started on the web site Change.org, ostensibly by (and on behalf of) Muslims, requesting...

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Sep 17 at 2015 12:37 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 12:37:43 -0400

"We understand that the Oktoberfest is a yearly German tradition, but we, Muslims, can not tolerate this Un-Islamic event, because it offends us and all Muslims on the earth. We are requesting the immediate cancellation of the upcoming Oktoberfest event"....I take it he personally flew to talk to every single Muslim on earth and asked them their personal concerns over Oktoberfest? For some odd reason if this person actually did so, I don't think he would've made it out alive of RC-anything, Helmand, Khost, or anywhere else short of Kabul in the Stan. I have not been to Iraq, but I'm sure the sentiments would be the same. In both of those countries the populace has much more to worry about in life issues than what someone drinks in another country. And his worrying about nudity? My terps were practicing Muslims and loved TnA like the next man, so I don't see his argument at all. It's a very poorly written and articulated request probably written by a troll to get something started that doesn't need to be.

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Sep 17 at 2015 12:41 PM

CW3 Eric W. S. — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 12:41:17 -0400

Petition all you like. Islamists are trying to change the culture of a nation to suit their personal desires. If they don't like what it happening, they are more than welcome to return to their country of origin.

Response by SGT William Howell made Sep 17 at 2015 3:35 PM

SGT William Howell — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:35:35 -0400

That is all fine and dandy. Blah! Blah! Fuck you and your no bacon eating, beer drinking ass. Go repress some women and tell the world how tolerant you are somewhere else. Now on to more important petitions for Oktoberfest.

I would like to petition Oktoberfest to actually be held in October! The one chance I had to go I put in my leave papers for October. Who the hell knew it was in September? Why would I need to Google Oktoberfest, it has October right in the title? I missed it. I had to drink crappy pilsner in Berlin and Prague instead! For this reason alone it should be held in October!

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Sep 17 at 2015 3:41 PM

CPT Ahmed Faried — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:41:03 -0400

Dumbest petition ever created. Alcohol offends you, don't drink. It's these type of Muslims that give the rest a bad name. Freaking ridiculous.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2015 3:51 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:51:01 -0400

This is intolerant - sure. But not representative.
I mean the manner in which they requested consideration, is wildly more appropriate than for example the Westboro Baptist Church. As much as I disagree with their request, and find it amazing how one can ask a country, that acts as a host for refugees to change in an effort to not to offend is terrible. But at least they are not picking the activity with sign suggesting "Beer drinkings will burn in hell" in comparison to other organisations stated above.

Response by SPC Greg Carr made Apr 19 at 2017 10:08 PM

SPC Greg Carr — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 22:08:43 -0400

Would Jesus vote to discontinue Oktoberfest? I think so.