Is it 2 or 3 APFT failures to initiate the separation process? What is the exact regulation?

2018-12-25T10:17:45-05:00

Took an apft, terminated for running (am a walker)/insufficient evidence & graded unfairly. Signed an waiver to wave my 2 diagnostics to take a second after just 2weeks later. Failed situps by 3. About to talk to our company commander as to why I should still be retained. My question is, is it 3 soft failures to get chaptered out? & that's the exact regulation?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2018 10:19 AM

2018-12-25T10:19:20-05:00

*apft ..not *soft

Response by SSG Brian L. made Dec 25 at 2018 10:54 AM

2018-12-25T10:54:03-05:00

Are you deployable and can you function as a Soldier in all capacities? if not then why would it be fair to retain you as a Soldier to fight the forces we may fight? Why is it you cannot do sit ups or run? That is 2/3rds of the test! I would assume that you have been given time to improve seeing that you are a Spc.

Response by PFC Jesse Peeples made Dec 25 at 2018 11:31 AM

2018-12-25T11:31:56-05:00

Go un-fuck your self if your ever want to make rank... this isn't the apologizing downsizing commander in chief... get your battle buddy to go to the gym with you don't exercise the day before a pt test just do some yoga etc maybe a light jog drink water and get plenty of sleep to allow for your ligaments to heal or go with plan B get a negative consoling by the top and when your team sgt gets his/her ncoer and your the reason for the negative remarks every time he/she sees you there going to smoke you till you cant move force you to drink water and do it again... as far as your meeting with the commander keep it simple stupid when asked what your poa is tell him or her sir I am going to watch my diet have so and so go to the gym with me so I can keep the company green

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2018 12:28 PM

2018-12-25T12:28:42-05:00

To be honest with you SPC Jake, it's really command discretion if they want to separate you after failing 2 APFT. Just think about it, if it was that easy to separate, the Army numbers would drop 70% due to SM's failing 2 APFT...... I know if I was in control, you would be on special pops until you pass. There would be no talk, no chapters. You will fulfill your contract that you enlisted for......

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2018 1:43 PM

2018-12-25T13:43:52-05:00

I sort of doubt that. I would think that you would have to fail APFTs administered by BN CMD personnel functioning as an objective or neutral arbiter.
Irrespective as to whether I am correct or not, I would expect every member of the unit to have the right of appeal to very senior authority or the IG (though I would make the IG my very last stop).

Response by SSG Brian G. made Dec 25 at 2018 2:57 PM

2018-12-25T14:57:00-05:00

So let me get this straight, just so I and everyone else understands.
You took a record APFT and failed it due to not making time on the 2 Mile run. You are a walker by what I gather, that still means you have to make the time whether you run, jog, walk or hop. You claim you were graded unfairly, but how does one grade unfairly on a running event? You stay to the designated course, you start when they say go and the stopwatch determines your time across.

Then, you waived your 2 diagnostics to take a second record APFT. And you fail the sit up portion by 3 which tells me a great deal.

As to regulations it is up to command. You failed your first one, they can then initiate a flag. You are then on a remedial program to try to bring you back in line with military standards. You fail a second and they can begin the chapter process to remove you for inability to meet standards.

You need to take your ass to the gym, get your battle buddy and the two of you work out together to get your ass in shape because as of now you have no place in the army.

Response by MSG Pat Colby made Dec 25 at 2018 4:48 PM

2018-12-25T16:48:11-05:00

AR 350-1. 2nd Record failure initiates the separation process.

Response by Brad Powers made Dec 25 at 2018 5:17 PM

2018-12-25T17:17:17-05:00

Says that you were terminated for running and you noted in there that you are a walker. I hope you did not say that to them during the test. You should have ran until you puked and couldn't breathe enough to say a word.

Response by Brad Powers made Dec 25 at 2018 5:30 PM

2018-12-25T17:30:23-05:00

Hey I'm just a civilian I work as a painter/roofer but when it comes down to the company's clock everybody needs to be there for the company not for themselves. The U.S. Military for damn sure does not want you to hear something like "I am a walker" as an excuse to not passing a running test. THE U.S. Military needs people that they know will pick up the pace when they have to and they will do whatever they have to do and be wherever they have to be for the team.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2018 5:32 PM

2018-12-25T17:32:25-05:00

Did you have the same grader both times? I have not seen anyone unfairly grade a pt test. I here this all the time from reservist, excuses why they failed and it’s always their leaderships fault in one way or another. Sounds like someone wants to get out. This also carries over to NCOES, specialists don’t want to attend BLC so they fail the pt test every time they take it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2018 5:12 AM

2018-12-26T05:12:42-05:00

It is ultimately up to the commander to initiate the chapter process. By regulation, he/she can initiate separation after 2 consecutive failed record APFTs or if you show patterns of failure. If the command team likes you, however, and wish to retain you, they will work with you and give you adequate time to get to a point where you can pass. But in the future, i would strongly advise you not to wave your diagnostic APFTs unless you know for sure the one you failed prior was a fluke.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2018 5:17 AM

2018-12-26T05:17:01-05:00

Also, i would definitely be honest. As a walker myself, i know how tempting it can be to shave a few seconds when nobody is looking, but know that someone always is. Unless there's that one NCO that is trying to fry you, it is unlikely they would sabotage your test. Work on getting in shape so you can crush your APFT and it's no longer a problem for you.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2018 2:39 PM

2018-12-26T14:39:41-05:00

Man, wear to begin! Failed the sit-ups, terminated for running during a walk. SPC you have only one choice to make...am I going to be a soldier, or is it time for me to move on. If you have such a difficult time meeting the APFT requirements now, the new PT test is going to tear you up...decide, be the best soldier you can be...which includes committing to maintaining my Physical abilities to support yourself and your team mates as a soldiers, if you're just there for the money/job...its time to move on...because if the APFT doesn't get you the deployability will. Time to soldier or time to move on, its your decision, and only you control your future. Pass the APFT and all this goes away, simple.