Is it appropriate for a non-combat veteran to use the Vet Center and/or VA?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 May 2016 20:55:34 -0400

Response by SPC Mattheau Fain made May 31 at 2016 9:05 PM

SPC Mattheau Fain — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:05:54 -0400

Yes. Absolutely. They are still a veteran.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made May 31 at 2016 9:11 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:11:21 -0400

SPC Alex Martin "Is it appropriate for a non-combat veteran to use the Vet Center and/or VA?"

Only if they are a Vet, as in US Military Veterans, Animal Vets need not apply unless also Military Vets....

Ok assumably you had a thought behind this question, Im afraid your going to have to give us some backgound on why you thought this was a question for us to provide real responses.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2016 9:16 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:16:37 -0400

No, you're entitled to your benefits so use them is needed.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2016 9:18 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:18:12 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Yes. All veterans that qualify can use the VA. It does not matter if you are a non-combat veteran. Why would it not be appropriate?

http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/apply/veterans.asp

Veterans Eligibility - Health Benefits

For the purposes of VA health benefits and services, a person who served in the active military service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable is a Veteran.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made May 31 at 2016 9:25 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:25:41 -0400

Why wouldn't it be appropriate for a Veteran to use a Department of Veterans Affairs Health Facility?

That's what they are there for. They are not limited to a special flavor of Veteran, however, there are "priority groups"

http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/resources/priority_groups.asp

But the VA generally uses the term "Service Connected Disability" as opposed to "non-combat veteran" or "combat veteran" when it comes to Health Care.

The VA definition of "Combat Veteran" is probably not what you think it is (because it is not the same as Service Definitions), while Service Connected Disabilities is a VA defined.

Priority Groups - Health Benefits

Today’s Veterans have a comprehensive medical benefits package, which VA administers through an annual patient enrollment system. The enrollment system is based on priority groups to ensure health care benefits are readily available to all enrolled Veterans. Complementing the expansion of benefits and improved access is our ongoing commitment to providing the very best in quality health care service to our patients when they are needed during...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2016 9:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:29:52 -0400

Absolutely.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2016 9:31 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:31:09 -0400

So I'm not disputing legality, I'm asking opinion. I feel that the benefits and services are there for service members who did more than hook up AFN.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2016 9:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:32:41 -0400

If you served in the military, you are a veteran. The only way you would not be able to receive those benefits is if they were taken from you at discharge, i.e. Dishonorable Discharge. Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) are veterans that served in an overseas conflict. Both are Veterans nontheless.

Response by SGT Paul Mackay made May 31 at 2016 9:36 PM

SGT Paul Mackay — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:36:20 -0400

yes

Response by MSgt John McGowan made May 31 at 2016 9:46 PM

MSgt John McGowan — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:46:04 -0400

SPC I don't know your complete story but i am retired with no disabilities. My priority is so low it wouldn't do me much good.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 31 at 2016 9:48 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 31 May 2016 21:48:53 -0400

There are many ways to qualify for services through the VA. All who serve are veterans.

Response by SGT Shane Spieker made May 31 at 2016 10:10 PM

SGT Shane Spieker — Tue, 31 May 2016 22:10:56 -0400

You may have not slung rounds, but you are a veteran none the less!

Response by SPC Robert Emerson made May 31 at 2016 10:31 PM

SPC Robert Emerson — Tue, 31 May 2016 22:31:29 -0400

VA AND THE Center is for all vets....Combat or cold war!

Response by SSgt Ryan Sylvester made May 31 at 2016 10:38 PM

SSgt Ryan Sylvester — Tue, 31 May 2016 22:38:54 -0400

I'm a disabled veteran. I did not serve a day in a combat area. But the heart condition I developed while I was in ended my career just the same. Should I not be allowed to collect disability? Should I not be allowed to see the doctors? Just because I happened to luck out and miss being deployed?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2016 11:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 May 2016 23:15:27 -0400

A veteran is a veteran. There are several statutory guidelines, but the basic one is if you were discharged honorably and served 24 months of active duty, you are a veteran (according to the statutes)

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jun 1 at 2016 12:49 AM

CSM Charles Hayden — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 00:49:14 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Absolutely! Service is service. Military service is not an easy task, there often is a toll!

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2016 1:16 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 01:16:04 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member - I was a nurse . . . not a grunt . . . not a zoomie . . . needed and used the VA Crisis Line . . . needed and used VA Education Benefits . . . needed and used VA Mortgage Loan . . . but I drew a line for myself at using other benefits with limited availability when others need them more. Warmest Regards, Sandy

Response by MSG Pat Colby made Jun 1 at 2016 1:56 AM

MSG Pat Colby — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 01:56:03 -0400

Only a SPC could come up with a question like this.
Are you saying a Paratrooper that got permanently disabled in a training jump isn't a Vet?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2016 2:17 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 02:17:19 -0400

It's the VETERANS administration, not the COMBAT VETERANS. I am curious about why you are asking this?

Response by SPC Jeff Payne made Jun 1 at 2016 2:19 AM

SPC Jeff Payne — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 02:19:50 -0400

That's kind of a silly question to me, I would think everyone would say yes or I'd hope

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2016 3:06 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 03:06:56 -0400

Is this really a serious question?

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2016 6:53 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 06:53:54 -0400

Yeah. You served too!

Response by LTC James Bozeman made Jun 1 at 2016 7:05 AM

LTC James Bozeman — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 07:05:06 -0400

Absolutely - it is a Veteran's Affairs - and is for all Veterans.

Response by Sgt Stewart Wiley made Jun 1 at 2016 7:25 AM

Sgt Stewart Wiley — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 07:25:48 -0400

They worked for it so yes. But like myself I only do my annual physical and if I have other issues that I feel that are not related to my time in the service, I go see my regular doctor that that I pay for through work. I don't feel i should clog up an already slow system with my problems.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jun 1 at 2016 7:47 AM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 07:47:58 -0400

Of course it is. It's a facility for Veterans, not a specific sect of Vets, but ALL Vets.

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made Jun 1 at 2016 8:46 AM

SSG Jeremy Kohlwes — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 08:46:39 -0400

The VA would be a definite yes. The Vet Centers however are for combat Veterans and sexual assault victims.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Jun 1 at 2016 9:17 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:17:19 -0400

I read everything here, and think I understand the discussion. It might perhaps help if I explained I've also explained elsewhere on here sevl times, however, for those who might not have seen those other instances, it's likeliest best if I go over as much as I can again in explaining my thoughts, perhaps. My wife and I after give or take 6 1/2 yrs of waiting, and using one of the major vet groups, as well as , and we were obv most fortunate, an extrmly highly qualified atty with NOVA, the Natl org of vet advocates, https://vetadvocates.org, were able to get me VA aprvd as total perm svc connected disabled, mist thankfully. We had a good deal of heartache throughout the whole thing, as I'd gotten sick while on active many yrs before she and I had met, and my getting sick managed to bollix up absolutely every single thing is ever tried to accomplish, honest, despite any and or all of what I can positively also assure all of you were my very real best efforts to succeed, honest. That being said, I also have now developed very real cardiac stuff to add into the mix, which, as I'm quite sure all of you can imagine, is also a real joy, lol. So, here are my thoughts about what was asked, and about the resulting discussion here. I did actually volunteer for Gulf War One, and did in fact get a letter of appreciation we still have, for having been on the list. I tried to contribute where I could, when I could, as far as I ccould, both that way, and trying to help other ways, though I'm no longer able? We've since shut my licensse sevl yrs ago now, due to my getting sick, however, I did, along with other efforts to contribute, helped treat vets for an entire year esntly unpaid, through a VA training program I'd been in, a cpl of yrs before my wife and I met, as well, and p, as I'd said, there were very real ways I did try to contribute, for which I did rcve one minor nonmilitary technical award, extremely low level, though I do, in retrospect, derive a fair level of personal satisfaction from it, as it was for things id dkne before I'd otten sick that did i think also def help the country, albeit in anvery minor way, of course. When I'd been in, i omly got only two actual noncombat ribbons, though I did also get one nonribbon certificate later on, though real, of course, and, also, and I'm personally proudest of this, as I genuinely did not expect to get it, and actually had absolutely zero clue i would, a certificate of appreciation from the CO of my unit, for work I actually did while in. My CO was a major Vietnam war hero who'd I only learned many yrs later, flew over 170 combat missions, and HE personally handed ME a certificate for my work, which positviely boggled my mind back then, and still does, to this day, actually, lol. I recall very vividly being most privileged later that day to be allowed to sit with him for over an hour while we spoke, and can still even now, recall the sheer, overawing power of the man, you know? So, after all that, here's my reaction to what was asked here: I obv don't mind the question, certainly, and , understand, I'd like to think, the basis for asking it. I've known of many other vets in especially a very group I'm in, who lost hearing while on active as noncombat, at the same time as many of the others were Vietnam combat, I've treated many vets injured in combat training though noncombat per se, as well as others injured while on station both shipboard ,as well as admin planes, and at ground stations. I obv don't and wouldn't claim to have seem anywhere near everything most certainly, though I do think I can quite genuinely say I've seen a good deal, nevertheless, notwithstanding. The VA training program I was in for esntly free other than a little food and travel stipend was called a without compensation or WOC program, it had been a year long, as I may have mentioned, I did finish it, obv before I ultimately got sick. Also, I just felt the emphasize that the two ribbons I did get while on active were extremely minor routine ones, though there were and are real, and we do still have them. So, I don't mind the question asked, to me, at least, it strikes me as a perfectly understandable, and quite justified question, honest. I just hope what I've explained here is sufficient answer, and understood asmto why I thought it might perhaps place the question in context, as it resonated with me, that's all I'm trying to say, I hope the explanation is adequate, and would be most eager to hear any thoughts, many thanks.

National Organization of Veterans' Advocates (NOVA)

The National Organization of Veterans’ Advocates, Inc. (NOVA) is a not-for-profit educational membership organization incorporated in the District of Columbia

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2016 9:45 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:45:38 -0400

What is the definition of combat veteran? Is everyone who deployed to OEF/OIF combat vets? If someone was injured on active duty but outside of a war zone shouldn't they get treatment?

Response by TSgt Brian Wyngaert made Jun 1 at 2016 9:53 AM

TSgt Brian Wyngaert — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:53:43 -0400

I served 20 years and not a single time anywhere I was being shot at by hostile forces and I came out with MS I have had at least one vet say "so the sir force gave you MS" i just told him yes. I also wont claim that I was shot at. and just so every one knows MS's rating starts at 30%

Response by Cpl Chad Perry made Jun 1 at 2016 9:58 AM

Cpl Chad Perry — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 09:58:06 -0400

I saw a couple comments on here about combat veterans that never got injured vs veterans hurt in training accidents. I totally agree with them. ALL veterans deserve VA benefits. I have a cousin who was a tank mechanic in the Army. He said when he deployed to Iraq he never left his base camp and spent the entire year in the gym lifting weights. He doesn't have any disabilities. I never deployed when I was in the Marines, but during that time I had blown out knees, a herniated disc, broken leg, broken wrist, and a concussion. From what you're saying my cousin deserves benefits but I don't. Where's the logic in that?

Response by PO3 Jade Crowsmeadow made Jun 1 at 2016 12:12 PM

PO3 Jade Crowsmeadow — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:12:20 -0400

Yes. You served in one of the branches of the armed forces, correct? You were released from active duty under dishonorable circumstances? One of the few things that can keep you from using a VA facility is not having actually served (I believe there is a minimum time requirement) and being dishonorably discharged.

Response by SSG Wayne NeSmith made Jun 1 at 2016 12:30 PM

SSG Wayne NeSmith — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:30:42 -0400

In order to use the Vet Center you must be a Combat Vet. All veterans should use the VA, but if you are not service connected or under a income limit, very limited access.

Response by SGT Morrison (Mike) Hogwood made Jun 1 at 2016 12:51 PM

SGT Morrison (Mike) Hogwood — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:51:41 -0400

The VA is for all military personnel who were in the military and sustained injuries, illness or disease due to military service irregardless if you seen combat or not.

Response by LTC Mark Beattie made Jun 1 at 2016 2:15 PM

LTC Mark Beattie — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0400

It's not named the Combat Veterans Administration, it's called the Veteran's Administration because it exists to support all veterans. I am one of the few who served over 28 years, beginning just as the Vietnam Conflict was ending in 1975 and retired two years into the Global War on Terror in 2003, who never served in a declared combat zone. However, I underwent the rigors of basic training, infantry AIT, PLDC, OCS, Infantry basic course, Infantry advanced course, airborne school, ranger school, Special Forces Qualification Course, Air Assault school, participated in nearly 100 static line jumps, deployments throughout the Pacific, Central America, Europe, CONUS, and while never in a declared combat zone, spent time in areas infested by terrorists and hardened criminals. As a result of those 28 years of experiences, the VA declared me 90% disabled, but I was never in a declared combat zone. Would it be fair to exclude me from Veteran's benefits and use of the Veteran's hospital? I say NO. If I felt otherwise I would be embarrassed to walk into the VA hospital. While anyone is free to express themselves as they want on RP, to include asking this question, I am disappointed that the thought of excluding some Veterans was considered.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Jun 1 at 2016 2:24 PM

CSM Thomas McGarry — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 14:24:17 -0400

Of course!-This kind of reminds me of the talk when I attended the SM Academy in 2006, some of the attendees at this school voiced the opinion that attendees need or should have served in combat, needless to say the cadre set them straight real fast! If you've been in the military long enough you realize that you often don't pick when or where or in what capacity you are called on to serve. I've known some, thankfully not many "vets" who were deployed overseas and spent more time on sick call or were just plain useless but are now combat vets

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jun 1 at 2016 7:26 PM

SN Greg Wright — Wed, 01 Jun 2016 19:26:21 -0400

Oh Christ, here we go again with this inane crap.

Fun Fact, SPC Private RallyPoint Member YOU CAN'T BE A COMBAT VETERAN WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF NON-COMBAT VETERANS. Period. Your question is fatuous, disrespectful, and divisive. Simply by asking it you infer that you think you're somehow better than non-combat vets.

You're not.

Response by SSG Wayne NeSmith made Jun 3 at 2016 1:12 PM

SSG Wayne NeSmith — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 13:12:19 -0400

From reading the posts, I can see that there is some misunderstandings about the qualifications for being able to get treatment through the VA. I'm no expert, but I am service connected, so I get all of my treatment through the VA, plus I have also been working for the VA for now 15 years at 3 different VAs. I don't have all the answers, but I know for a fact that not every veterans can get treatment through the VA unless you meet certain criteria. I would suggest that everyone take some time and visit a VA, talk with the service officers, patient advocates, administrators, or just talk with some of the veterans there. You will gain a lot of insight on how the VA system works.

Response by LTC Tom Jones made Jun 3 at 2016 1:45 PM

LTC Tom Jones — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 13:45:55 -0400

On first impulse, I found this question to be highly insulting. Having dug into the back-and-forth that followed (more forth than back; i.e., most everyone supports vets benefits for all military veterans) I think it was worth considering and worth validating. I had the pleasure of MC-ing a tribute dinner and dance for WW II veterans in South-side/rural Virginia; this on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of VE Day. Of the 30-some veterans being honored, there were more than a few that denigrated their part of the War effort saying, "I was just...(a cook in the Canal Zone or flight instructor state-side" as though their contribution did not measure up. No one else (none) in that room of 200-plus felt that way. Everyone had (has) a job to do for our military to be successful. We do not discriminate based on race, creed, country of origin, religion, etc. We certainly do not need to be discriminating based on job title or duty assignment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2016 3:31 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 15:31:34 -0400

Absolutely 100% OK, and encouraged.
Also, the Purple Heart Association can and should be utilized by ALL Service Members!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2016 4:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 16:20:19 -0400

Man, you guys are really starting to split some hairs. If we go this route, then we start weighing WHAT KIND of combat did you see. Close combat injury vs indirect fire injury vs bumping your head on the dashboard when you were transporting fuel even though it was technically non-combat because the enemy wasn't within a quarter mile or if you got dunked on at the gym while deployed vs not deployed or....what. Come on, now.

For now, let's just leave it at 'are you a vet, yes or no? Do you have service related disability, yes or not?? If we start getting too cute with the dynamics, it's only going to complicate things, that are already complicated enough.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Jun 3 at 2016 5:00 PM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:00:26 -0400

It needs to be overhauled. Congress and the House have set us up with their own rules. If any person who joins then completes basic training with 365/1 year of service should receive help. Half the the chemicals we work with have effects upon the human body that no one can say what will happen to you when in contact. For instance take me...I can run around behind naked and never get sunburned or roll around in poison ivy and never have it effect me but yet I do believe JP-4 and JP-8 may have caused my R.A. (Rheumatoid Arthritis) to be as bad as it is at age 49 yet who can prove and say it did or did not? All my brothers and sisters in arms from ..Army..Navy..Coast Guard..Marines..Air Force and National Guard and Reserves deserve to have the help. Our blank check still stands and will only get destroyed when we pass.
This is just my thoughts on it. I understand somethings may prevent it ..but it needs overhauled. If this country can afford to send $$$ to other countries for support then they can fix our problem first before going to fix others problems. Maybe we should all do like they did before and go set on the hill until our voices are heard. Did Congress or the House go and volunteer like we did and serve on the line like most of you guys did?..No..maybe 1-5 out of how many hundreds that work in both houses? I wear my AF blue all the time..I fly my flag all the time yet I will not let this get me down because I did my job when the time came.

Chuck D

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2016 5:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:05:53 -0400

Yes, a US Veteran is someone who served the US Military honorably.
Do you think our brothers and sisters who die in training accidents sacrifice less than someone who dies via an IED?

Response by Sgt Jamie Grippin made Jun 3 at 2016 5:41 PM

Sgt Jamie Grippin — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 17:41:23 -0400

No, it's not inappropriate at all. We are all in this together. The front line grunt is supported by many many others and would not be able to effectively do their job without them.

Response by SPC Tony Bucaro made Jun 3 at 2016 6:40 PM

SPC Tony Bucaro — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 18:40:11 -0400

My question is .... How the hell did you make it to the rank of Spc. by asking dumb questions like this? Anyone (man or women) that serves in any branch of any of the services (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard) for any period of time after enlistment is considered a veteran. It doesn't matter if they deployed or not. If they served and got hurt while on duty, they can claim that injury with the VA and be seen and treated for that injury with the VA.

This is common knowledge among military members ....

Response by SFC Benjamin Harrison made Jun 3 at 2016 6:50 PM

SFC Benjamin Harrison — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 18:50:08 -0400

It's the VA not VFWA. If you served, received an honorable discharge, you are entitled to everything the VA has to offer. This entire idea of only combat vets are entitled is simply BULL SHIT! Unfortunately, not every vet past, present, nor future had, has, or will have the opportunity to serve in combat. So suck it up buttercups, a veteran is anyone who has honorably served in the Armed Forces of the United States.

Response by SGT Joshua Strup made Jun 3 at 2016 7:00 PM

SGT Joshua Strup — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 19:00:01 -0400

Instead of asking this question, we need to address why all veterans are receiving such poor care from the VA. It is time to stop comparing our health care needs to lines at Disneyland and start giving veterans the treatment they need when they need it.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2016 7:01 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 19:01:42 -0400

Wow, how stupid is this question. A Vet is a Vet!!!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2016 7:04 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 19:04:38 -0400

Although I have two under my belt it is called The Department of Veterans Affairs, not The Department of Combat Veterans Affairs. You wore the uniform you deserve the right to use it.

Response by SGT Randel Pruett made Jun 3 at 2016 7:07 PM

SGT Randel Pruett — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 19:07:52 -0400

That has to be one of the most idiotic questions I have ever read.

Response by SPC David Hays made Jun 3 at 2016 7:27 PM

SPC David Hays — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 19:27:19 -0400

Military service comes with its hazards no matter combat or no. Ft
Hood just had those soilders injured and killed. If you served your time honorably. Yes. No question.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2016 8:17 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 20:17:03 -0400

They say there are no stupid questions, then again the person that said that lived before the internet was a thing.

Of course all vets should be able go to the VA, the only reason i can see for this to even be an option is someone wanting to make himself feel more important then someone else.

Response by Capt Michael Greene made Jun 3 at 2016 8:46 PM

Capt Michael Greene — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 20:46:44 -0400

I've seen and heard many such arguments. Some combat vets say non-combat vets shouldn't get VA healthcare. Others draw the line at the wire. Some say if you weren't in the shit, you ain't shit.

One real-life example, a hypothetical, and another real-life example with a twist:
1. An enlisted man is gang-raped in a squad tent at a training camp while the rest of the squad pretends to sleep, in fear of the gang. He is supremely messed up mentally, but continues to follow a career. Does he deserve VA care?
2. Two guys volunteer as fighter pilots. Same training, same jet, same squadron in the same country. Pilot One flies over bad guys and photographs bad guy stuff. Congress sees the photos and declares war the very next day. Then Pilot Two flies over the bad guys. So only one of them is a "combat" pilot. Does Pilot Two get VA, but Pilot One does not?
3. In 1960s Germany, 5 GIs are patrolling along the Czech border, and one needs to pee. They go into the woods to pee, and the Czech Border Patrol decides the GIs are infiltrating their country. Czechs shoot, one GI is wounded before they run back to Germany. No war is in effect. No dates of conflict are established by Congress. Does the wounded GI get VA? (In real life, no one was wounded, but it's still a fair question.)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2016 9:02 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 21:02:04 -0400

Can we please stop this whole "Well I deployed more than that guy" thing that's running in the Military. Most people have no say on OPTEMPO when they enlisted, whether the units they were attached to deployed during their time, or anything else. Everyone raised their hand and made the same promise to the country. Everyone who honorably serves and is honorably discharged deserves the same benefits.

Response by SPC Josh Schutt made Jun 3 at 2016 9:47 PM

SPC Josh Schutt — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 21:47:00 -0400

I am a vet. I got injured.
Do I use the VA? NO, why? Bc I have Pvt health ins.
The VA has limited dr etc.
I know there are veterans who can't afford care etc. so I feel they might get help a little sooner.

Response by PO3 Jonas M. made Jun 3 at 2016 9:57 PM

PO3 Jonas M. — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 21:57:57 -0400

Of course it is. Like many other have said, it's the Veterans Administration... No "Combat" in there anywhere.
When you take the oath, you don't swear to your position or your assignments.

Response by TSgt Jennifer Disch made Jun 3 at 2016 9:59 PM

TSgt Jennifer Disch — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 21:59:19 -0400

A veteran is a veteran.

Response by SFC Edwin Mujica made Jun 3 at 2016 10:22 PM

SFC Edwin Mujica — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 22:22:44 -0400

If a service member, with less than a year of service, is injured during a military exercise to the point that can't serve anymore, why would that person not qualify for treatment in a VA clinic or any other benefit? No, that would be wrong.

Response by SSG David McPherson made Jun 3 at 2016 10:24 PM

SSG David McPherson — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 22:24:25 -0400

They are Veterans also tgere is no discrimination

Response by PFC Anthony Bruce made Jun 3 at 2016 10:28 PM

PFC Anthony Bruce — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 22:28:08 -0400

Yes it is. As a veteran you have earned the right to use them. Regardless if you served in time if peace or time of war. Even if you didn't deploy you have earned those rights. However if you did something intentional to not deploy you are a POS and shouldn't even call yourself a veteran since you were a coward.

Response by PO3 Chris Scheide made Jun 3 at 2016 11:21 PM

PO3 Chris Scheide — Fri, 03 Jun 2016 23:21:57 -0400

It absolutely is appropriate for ANY veteran to use the VA. If you have a service related disability then you are owed medical care. The VA needs to be able to provide services to ALL the veterans who need them and not prioritize based on combat status. If a VA hospital has a waiting list longer than 2 weeks then we start cutting adminstrators pay. We reward them if they can get it under 2 weeks without lying.

Response by TSgt Jackie Jones made Jun 4 at 2016 12:01 AM

TSgt Jackie Jones — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 00:01:35 -0400

Is a non combat veteran not a veteran? Did they not sign up for and train for the same thing a combat veteran did? of course non combat veterans could/should/deserve to use the VA or Vet Centers.

Response by SGT Charles Tittl made Jun 4 at 2016 12:26 AM

SGT Charles Tittl — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 00:26:33 -0400

Boy o boy this one is a special kind of stupid!

Response by SGT Cathi Johnson made Jun 4 at 2016 12:47 AM

SGT Cathi Johnson — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 00:47:45 -0400

Service connected..any illness, disease, injury or condition that occurred or that was aggravated while in the service. All Veterans may use the VA and in some cases their spouse can be treated by the VA as well.

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made Jun 4 at 2016 1:03 AM

SGT Alicia Brenneis — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 01:03:07 -0400

I sorry? Is this a serious question?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2016 1:38 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 01:38:42 -0400

Every company you'll ever work for has their own health benefits package for its employees. As a member of the military, yours is the VA. The VA isn't designed to be a benefit for combat veterans only, it's designed for the entire military.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Jun 4 at 2016 1:58 AM

SFC Carlos Gamino — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 01:58:00 -0400

What a silly question.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2016 2:41 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 02:41:12 -0400

Who the F are you to cheapen ones service because they didn't experience combat? They signed the same line you did!

Response by SFC Sidney Swan made Jun 4 at 2016 8:08 AM

SFC Sidney Swan — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 08:08:13 -0400

Those two letters " VA" means Veterans Administration for all that served in the USA military. Some were ordered to a Combat Area of operation and others assigned elsewhere by headquarters. So yes, none Combat Veterans should be allowed to utilize the Veterans Administration.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Jun 4 at 2016 8:25 AM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 08:25:01 -0400

I'm a non combat veteran, I happened to serve in between Nam and every other mess that's come our way to date. I went to school after my active duty and I bought a house using VA benefits. I don't feel I need to get shot at to earn that right, it's Vet benefits not Combst Vet benefits.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2016 1:44 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 13:44:17 -0400

I'm not sure why you asked this question. Regardless of whether or not a vet going to war, soldiers go through traumatic experiences due to anything. This is probably one of the most stupid question I've read. It's call the Vet center for a reason not "combat only Vets".

Response by SPC Chris Bell made Jun 4 at 2016 3:11 PM

SPC Chris Bell — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 15:11:51 -0400

Hell yes

Response by SP5 Roberta Sanchez made Jun 4 at 2016 4:13 PM

SP5 Roberta Sanchez — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 16:13:38 -0400

When I was in the service I developed an "undifferentiated connective tissue disease" that never quite manifested itself into lupus. I got TDRL for five years and saw a doctor for evaluation every 18 months. at the end of the 5-year evaluation, I was told that I had rheumatoid arthritis and never should have been discharged. I was furious! I was forced to make a new life as a civilian. To then be told I should never have left the Army was a bit much for me. I was given the option to go back in or get a pension. I didn't feel right about getting the pension because I was not injured in combat.
Later at the VA I told a psychiatrist about this and her exact words were "We you CRAZY??" I wanted to punch her lights out, but did not. Now that I am older, I am having trouble walking due to arthritis and have had two flairs of lupus in the thirty years I have been out. I may need that pension later and try to get it when I can no longer work. Why? Because I have been and still remain a productive citizen and not accept a pension until I really need it. I wasn't trying to be noble, I just felt that combat-injured had a higher priority than me as a young woman. I will be 60 this year.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2016 4:58 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 16:58:23 -0400

boy you just opened a can full of whoop ass

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Jun 4 at 2016 6:24 PM

TSgt Marco McDowell — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 18:24:14 -0400

I know for a good chunk of the guys serving now, the world as they know it began in 2001. Combat deployments, real world ops, blah blah blah, but the military does exist during "peacetime". And our existence is what maintains the peace. The same "peacetime" military that was there September 10, 2001 was the same one that kicked the door in September 12, 2001. There's no difference between the guy/gal who left the service without racking up whatever combat accolades or deployment ribbons or the guy/gal who leaves with a Silver Star when it comes to veteran access. You've earned to opportunity to be provided for. The folks who came before you and the ones after struggled and will struggle for your benefit even if they don't know you. Why? Because we expect one another to raise a voice. Use what you've earned, and make sure you encourage others to do so as well

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jun 4 at 2016 8:03 PM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 20:03:59 -0400

There should be no pissing contest here. The VA & state vet centers made us all a promise to take care of for being vets. There was no fine print to say one must have served in combat. We should not be rationing what was part of our contract to sign up. The corrupt VA would love for us to start splitting hairs between ourselves so they could be left off the hook. No, let them get their crap together so we can all get what was promised to us.

Response by SSgt Gary Herdman made Jun 4 at 2016 10:35 PM

SSgt Gary Herdman — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 22:35:42 -0400

Everyone earned that and more when they took the oath. No one should be penalized for government decisions on when and where you serve.

Response by SFC Shane Funkhouser made Jun 4 at 2016 10:45 PM

SFC Shane Funkhouser — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 22:45:19 -0400

They are verterns of course they should

Response by SFC Joe Ping made Jun 4 at 2016 11:54 PM

SFC Joe Ping — Sat, 04 Jun 2016 23:54:55 -0400

Yes it is. Every veteran is a veteran there is no difference.

Response by SGT Tracey "Tra" Cooper-Harris made Jun 5 at 2016 1:42 AM

SGT Tracey "Tra" Cooper-Harris — Sun, 05 Jun 2016 01:42:14 -0400

Yes. The Vet Center is also for victims of MST, couples counseling and bereavement counseling for families of Veterans and military who have died.

And the VA is for any eligible veteran who meets the 2yrs or other eligibility criteria of service with the appropriate discharge. Just because a service member didn't see combat doesn't mean they should be ineligible for VA benefits and services. If that's the case, those Sailors injured during the USS Cole, folks injured or maimed in training exercises, or the victims of Ft Hood or the recruiters shooting shouldn't get any services.

All gave some. Some gave all.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jun 5 at 2016 12:49 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Sun, 05 Jun 2016 12:49:52 -0400

Yes, it's the VA, Veterans Administration, not the CVA, Combat Veterans Administration. They have earned the right by their service, some folk were, for whatever reason, not in combat during their career, does not mean they are any less deserving.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2016 10:33 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jun 2016 22:33:39 -0400

There are a lot more ways to get fucked up in the military than enemy action. I'll even go way out on a limb gere abd say that people who are seriously maimed already get superb care compared to vets with more subtle problems. Vets who agve lost eyes and limbs get the 5 star treatment from the VA (as they should). It's the vets who have less visible problems, like hearing loss, migrains, bad knees, bad backs, etc. who have to pull teeth to get any compensation. And I think that's pure ass-covering on the part of the VA. They're terrified at the idea of the homeless vet in a wheelchair with both his legs missing having to panhandle to feed himself. That would look incredibly bad for them surging around Twitter.

Response by PV2 Jon Anderson made Jun 7 at 2016 11:50 AM

PV2 Jon Anderson — Tue, 07 Jun 2016 11:50:41 -0400

So because I got hurt on active duty messed up my back in an accident and was discharged and was never deployed in a combat or support role I should not be compensated or have medical care from the VA after volunteering for the military and not being able to continue a career I wanted to pursue just like most of my family? That's messed up.

Response by SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres made Jun 7 at 2016 11:15 PM

SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres — Tue, 07 Jun 2016 23:15:54 -0400

Not sure if you're generally uninformed or just posting to post.... As stated, it's the Department of Veteran's Affairs. Not Combat Veteran's Affairs

Response by CPL Keith Ross made Jun 15 at 2016 12:28 PM

CPL Keith Ross — Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:28:38 -0400

Well SPC you did not ask a dumb question at all, just like the military these people on here would rather say that is dumb than look it up. My guess is that your question is more geared toward the Vet Center, because you served you can access the VA. For everyone on here that doesn't know, the Vet Center focuses on readjustment counseling to COMBAT VETERANS completely free. The Vet Center should see you though, while they are connecting you to resources in your community. Combat Veterans are eligible to get their counseling from the Vet Center as long as they please. There are caveats, for example if you are a victim of Military Sexual Trauma you are eligible to stay there as well. Most Vet Centers also provide counseling to the combat veterans spouse as well.

Response by CW2 Shawn Stevenson made Jun 21 at 2016 10:51 PM

CW2 Shawn Stevenson — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 22:51:40 -0400

I find it interesting that nobody realizes, or brought up the fact, that a non-combat, non-service connected veteran is not eligible for VA health benefits regardless of the number of years of service, unless he or she was enrolled under prior eligibility criteria or qualifies due to geographical means testing.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 9:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:38:37 -0400

Just to clarify. The Vet Center falls under the umbrella of the VA, however services are only for those who have served in combat areas. The VA Medical facility are for all service members who have served under Honorable, General, or General Under Honorable Conditions. Additionally if you were strictly active duty you have to have served 2 consecutive yrs or been medically discharged if less than 2 yrs. If you are Reserve or Guard you must have deployed conus or occonus under one of the campaigns. If it was occonus a you only spent 1day in a combat zone you are considered a Vet. If you are Reserve or Guard and have never been deployed and don't get service connected then unfortunately you don't qualify for VA services. I know it sucks but those are the current eligibility standards.

Response by SPC Tanya Cummings Boozer made Jun 23 at 2016 1:40 PM

SPC Tanya Cummings Boozer — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:40:26 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Why wouldn't it be? What exactly is the reason for your question?

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jul 1 at 2016 10:08 AM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Fri, 01 Jul 2016 10:08:44 -0400

Of course it's appropriate. The VA is for ALL Vets, not just combat Vets. As long as you served you're eligible to be seen.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Jul 7 at 2016 1:14 PM

SGT Craig Northacker — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:14:20 -0400

Our government uses a lot of ploys to keep veterans from being a very substantial adversary if we were all on the same page. So inventing delineations despite the facts that everyone who serves is subject to combat, and may or may not be based on time frame served or by fluke of orders. Denying anyone who has served honorably is an anathema - and buying into it hurts everyone. 22 million veterans, and 44 million dependents are a very large group of constituents - and no-one in Puzzle Palace would ever risk giving us that much combined critical mass. But divided - we are manageable - different wars, different VSO's, different eligibilities, etc.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Jul 7 at 2016 1:49 PM

PVT Mark Brown — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:49:02 -0400

there are those of us that were only on the peripheral of combat, like in Korea facing insurgents. Where do we fit? I am not truly a combat vet but have undertaken behavior somewhat similar to that of a true 11B. I think the Vet Centers should be open to anyone that would like to apply for services. Let the rules be a little more subjective. I know I would like very much to be able to take advantage of the Vet Center services. I guess it comes down to degrees.

Response by PVT William Bresch made Aug 16 at 2016 6:32 AM

PVT William Bresch — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 06:32:55 -0400

Sure, why not. It's not an exclusive club...of course, some do think it is.

Response by SPC Ken Sawyer made Aug 16 at 2016 7:33 AM

SPC Ken Sawyer — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:33:57 -0400

Okay I have heard some stupid questions but outside of politics yours takes the cake. As a non Veitnam era non combat era Vet it's about the only benefit that I recive sorry that their wasn't any wars going on when I was in I guess by your thinking I should be ashamed. But I'm not its was the luck of the draw I guess. The closest I came was being loaded on the plane the day R R was sworn in. But everyone that served had the potential to be sent into combat we all gave up something to be part of something great. And if a no combat Vet is less of a Vet to you I truly feel sorry for you.

Response by CPL Daniel Schwinge made Aug 16 at 2016 8:08 AM

CPL Daniel Schwinge — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:08:47 -0400

You are a veteran whether you see combat or not. I was in during the cold war '81-'91. Does this make me less of a veteran because there was no combat for me during that time?

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2016 8:47 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:47:39 -0400

Exactly what SFC William Squires said! SPC Martin, you are completely entitled to all the services the VA has to offer! And take it from me, keep up with all of your medical p'work. I'm trying to reconstruct mine and it's painful. Some of my medical history is pre-internet! Damn, I'm old!

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Aug 16 at 2016 8:54 AM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:54:16 -0400

Absolutely! I am a Cold War veteran, and I frequent the VA in my city; all of the time. I Am, however, 100% S/C disabled.
Hope this helps.
-Margaret

Response by SGT Paula Patterson made Aug 16 at 2016 8:54 AM

SGT Paula Patterson — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:54:45 -0400

Some individuals served during peace time. Have you ever heard of "command acquired? "

Response by SSgt August Helmke made Aug 16 at 2016 9:17 AM

SSgt August Helmke — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:17:36 -0400

To answer a question with a question.....Who has donated more of his life, a draftee who was in for two years and saw combat, or an enlistee who gave four years of his life staying ready but was never called to combat??

Response by MSG Kirt Highberger made Aug 16 at 2016 9:28 AM

MSG Kirt Highberger — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:28:38 -0400

There is no quantifier for Veterans Administration (VA) or Veterans Center; all (time in service) veterans should use these agencies to the maximum extent possible.

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Aug 16 at 2016 9:28 AM

SFC Wayne Theilen — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:28:47 -0400

Don't see why not. They will get shafted just like any other vet at the VA

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Aug 16 at 2016 9:32 AM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:32:50 -0400

The US Military is a very dangerous occupation, no matter if in combat, non-combat, or training. We do things that no one else can or will do. During "peace time" the military is always preparing and training for the "next war". Accidents happen during intense or non-intense training, people get hurt, some get killed, some are permanently disabled.
The VA is charged to care for and/or compensate these veterans at the same level they are charged to care for combat wounded or disabled veterans.
We are all the same "troops". It is the "luck of the draw" (or unlucky) to have served during one or more wars and in combat.
What would you say to veterans of the Cold War? This was a very dangerous time in history, it could have ended the world. Although there were not very many shots fired in the Cold War, US Military personnel were injured, disabled, or died as a result of training or actual operational missions completed during the Cold War. As was said in the 1960s movie "Dr. Strangelove" we were going to be ready to go "toe to toe with the Ruskies in nuclear combat".
The bottom line; all veterans deserve the best care from the VA. It is a national embarrassment that we don't get that.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2016 9:46 AM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:46:11 -0400

Why on earth would you ask such a question.

Response by CPO Kevin Martin made Aug 16 at 2016 9:54 AM

CPO Kevin Martin — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:54:04 -0400

Highest respect an honor to combat veterans, always. But this is a ridiculous question. Everyone who raised their hand at MEPS and served honorably deserves to use the facility. There are priorities of course.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Aug 16 at 2016 10:10 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:10:14 -0400

A veteran is a veteran, regardless of their role in the service. All veterans are entitled to whatever whatever is in their contract.

Response by SSG Richard Gaytan made Aug 16 at 2016 11:06 AM

SSG Richard Gaytan — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:06:10 -0400

Lets get this clear!!!!! Regardless if you went to combat or not, you are still a veteran. If you get hurt while on the job, document it and when you get out, put in for that injury, make sure you have medical proof to back it up. When you sign on the dotted line you also signed a blank check!!! Its not your fault if you did go to combat your role was just important than combat veterans. Yes you can use the vet centers and VA, because you earn it. I am a Accredited Veteran Service Office for the last ten years!!!!

Response by SPC Greg Abarr made Aug 16 at 2016 11:38 AM

SPC Greg Abarr — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:38:40 -0400

If it wasn't for the support personal there would be no combat vets!
While in Nam we were told it toke 8 support personal to keep us in the field so without them we could do nothing. No pay, no meals, no uniforms so I feel the job the support troops did helped me do my job and all vets who earned it are owed the combat troops thanks and support.
I remember several times while in the boonies that the support troops sent us cold beer out on the resupply choppers.
They didn't have to do that.
So I feel all vets deserve to have all the benefits they earned while in the service and it doesn't matter if they were in a combat zone or back in the world.
Greg

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Aug 16 at 2016 12:27 PM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:27:04 -0400

I have a question for you, why would you separate veterans into different categories? Combat, non-combat, flier, non-flier, support or the tip of the spear, etc. The troop in the field shooting at the bad guys, and getting shot at isn't there alone. There are 25 support troops for every guy manning a weapon. You have clerks, medics, finance, personnel, supply, cooks, security, engineers, maintenance, truck drivers, and more supporting the guy at the tip of the spear. It doesn't matter if that guy is a fighter/bomber/tanker crew member, gunner's mate on a 16" naval gun, armor, or a grunt carrying an M-16/M-4, there is still 25 guys behind him.

Response by SSG Mike Zientek made Aug 16 at 2016 12:37 PM

SSG Mike Zientek — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:37:30 -0400

We need unity, not division.
I was deployed to two combat zones.
Never had to fire a shot.
I was trained and ready.
I saw dead bodies, and I will never forget the smell of death.
I am not ashamed to use the VA or the Vet Center.

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Aug 16 at 2016 12:52 PM

PO1 Jack Howell — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:52:35 -0400

This question proves that there is such a thing as a stupid question. You just insulted a very large group of veterans.

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Aug 16 at 2016 12:56 PM

PO1 Jack Howell — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:56:15 -0400

I think that those who received an Other than Honorable or Bad Conduct discharge shouldn't have access to VA services.

Response by PO1 Don Mac Intyre made Aug 16 at 2016 1:26 PM

PO1 Don Mac Intyre — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:26:29 -0400

Aren't veterans divided enough without this BS? Come on! You are a either a vet or you are not, PERIOD.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2016 1:58 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:58:17 -0400

You do not have to experience combat to be a veteran so I do not understand the question.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Aug 16 at 2016 2:11 PM

LCpl Steve Smith — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:11:47 -0400

Yes, any other questions?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2016 2:28 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:28:31 -0400

This can't be a real question.

Response by MCPO Tom Miller made Aug 16 at 2016 2:45 PM

MCPO Tom Miller — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:45:22 -0400

The law says 90 days active service with one day in a declared time of military action and not necessarily combat to recieve a non service connected pension or treatment. Service connected disabilities from active duty either combat related or not requires treatment. Treatment isn't prioritized by service connection as it is a FIFO system which delays special consideration to the service connected disabled! Compensation for service connected is based on the degree of injuries while non service connected disabilities is based on a 60% disabling factor and income with spouse's income included as an offset. Many of these NSD fall onto hard times due to health, accidents and including addiction and mental problems and a life style of personal abuses. With this said, a deduction is required if the service member draws Social Security, but if it's SSI based on Medicaid, no deductions. Is this a fair system, to some it's to honor those in service injured and to others it an entitlement based on service. However, it's the law and very complexed and is in need of review to protect as a priority for those service connected disabled veterans and their families. Should a veteran die based on their disabilities and live a live whereas their spouses serve as a caretaker past employment age they are entitled to the DIC at any time of death of approximately $1200.00 a month. In my opinion it should be 50% of the veterans award. Maybe it's not feasible or a vote getter whereas, pensions are?

Response by SFC John Hill made Aug 16 at 2016 2:54 PM

SFC John Hill — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:54:08 -0400

FYI, as of 1989 it is officially The Department of Veteran Affairs (not Administration), a cabinet level department.

For the purpose of definition, veteran” means an individual who—served on active duty in the armed forces during a war, in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge has been authorized, and, except as provided under section 2108a, who has been discharged or released from active duty in the armed forces under honorable conditions. (from Title 38 U.S.C. § 101 : US Code - Section 101: Definitions).

That being said, there is no differentiation between having a combat or non-combat role.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Aug 16 at 2016 3:11 PM

MSgt Michael Smith — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:11:39 -0400

You've really got to be kidding right? Seriously? You would really ask something like that? If you really think this is up for debate you are not a very smart individual.

Response by PV2 Eva Williams made Aug 16 at 2016 3:35 PM

PV2 Eva Williams — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:35:18 -0400

As a non-service connected veteran and a female as well, I have used the VA for medical several times in the last five years. We all signed the contract when we enlisted. We all have the right to medical care from the VA as long as we were honorably discharged.

Response by TSgt Mario Guajardo made Aug 16 at 2016 5:12 PM

TSgt Mario Guajardo — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:12:13 -0400

WTF

Response by SFC Olivero Rodriguez made Aug 16 at 2016 5:47 PM

SFC Olivero Rodriguez — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:47:39 -0400

Before I keep on reading, who in his crazy mind ask this question. It most be a civilian.

Response by CPO David Welsh made Aug 16 at 2016 6:18 PM

CPO David Welsh — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:18:43 -0400

I work at the VA. If you show at my door, I will try my best to take care of your needs. Not sure what other VA Medical Centers do, but where I work, ALL veterans get care regardless of when, where or how they served. A Vet is a Vet. I am also a Navy retiree. No combat, but 4 deployments and some overseas duty. I always felt like I was not working hard enough since I always had to watch others take off to combat zones while I held down the deck, making sure the boat was ready when others came back. I can understand how it feels like you did not serve as well or you were not as important as some other folks. I still struggle with that feeling sometimes. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that no matter what your rate, MOS, rating, length of service, branch or duty station; service is service. As long as you did your best, you counted and still count. Just my opinion.

Response by Sgt Carol Grisham made Aug 16 at 2016 8:41 PM

Sgt Carol Grisham — Tue, 16 Aug 2016 20:41:30 -0400

Where does this come from? All Vets signed the same contract, and if the luck of the draw results in not being called upon to go into combat, that does not make that Vet less of a Vet. I had to fight this kind of prejudice both while I was on active duty and in the years since I got out. Granted, that was usually tied to gender or age (Viet Nam Vet vs. non-Viet Nam Vet) but the upshot is the same: trying to create classes of veterans and making those of us who weren't called upon to serve in combat into second-class Veterans. That kind of discrimination should be stamped out before it has the chance to take root. I firmly believe that this sort of ploy will just result, in the long run, in the gradual phase-out af ALL services for Vets and the elimination of the VA in its entirety.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Aug 17 at 2016 12:08 AM

COL Charles Williams — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 00:08:50 -0400

The VA SPC Private RallyPoint Member is for any veteran who has earned their veterans benefits; meaning generally, they were honorably/general discharged. While being a combat veteran may lead to additional entitlements, it is not a requirement for being a veteran, or being entitled to VA benefits.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Aug 17 at 2016 12:17 AM

SN Greg Wright — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 00:17:30 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member This is an inane and insulting question. I wrote the same blank check that you did. So just because I never got ordered to a specific geographical area, I am somehow less than you? Kiss my ass. I stood tall, and ready to serve, just like you did. Don't hold me accountable just because Uncle Sam had other plans for me.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 12:55 AM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 00:55:07 -0400

Yes. To keep it short all veterans train as if they were in combat. All wear proper uniforms and could be called at any time. If you are not in combat then you support it.

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Aug 17 at 2016 12:56 AM

PO2 Weaver Brian — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 00:56:50 -0400

The VA is for all veterans. I had a foot severely injured while preparing to anchor for 3 days R&R. I eventually had to have it amputated. I didn't lose that foot and lower leg in combat, but it's still just as gone. And the VA will keep furnishing me with prosthetic legs, and all the socks and other related equipment, for the rest of my life.

Response by MSgt Bruce Hutchinson made Aug 17 at 2016 6:27 AM

MSgt Bruce Hutchinson — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 06:27:42 -0400

Yes it's appropriate.

Response by SGT Justin Singleton made Aug 17 at 2016 6:27 AM

SGT Justin Singleton — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 06:27:55 -0400

I am a combat vet, and I say that the VA is for ALL vets. It's silly to say otherwise.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Aug 17 at 2016 6:55 AM

1SG Harold Piet — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 06:55:48 -0400

Why do you ask? VA not CVA! sounds like you may be walking around with hurt feelings. get over it

Response by SSG Jose j Hernandez made Aug 17 at 2016 7:23 AM

SSG Jose j Hernandez — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 07:23:28 -0400

I'll say that's good for a armed forces brother to seek help sometimes we are so proud that we don't look for help , but in another topic one thing I would ask in schools and promotions should be at least 1deployment as a requirements ,there are to many soldiers that never been deploy and pass all in schools to promote ,well at least give the combat veterans priority

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Aug 17 at 2016 8:29 AM

CPT Tom Monahan — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 08:29:15 -0400

VA Health used to be our "Workers Comp" health provider. What is the difference from a soldier getting shot and a Air Force mechanic getting crushed by an aircraft part. The VA is for Veterans. We all served. We all did different things. I got a 40% rating because someone dropped a cleaning chemical in a confined area. Dumbest thing in the world, but I went from running 40 miles and swimming 6 miles a week to turning blue after a quarter mile. It ended my career. That's classic "Workers Comp".

Response by PFC Justin Knight made Aug 17 at 2016 8:34 AM

PFC Justin Knight — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 08:34:53 -0400

Of corse it is it, is there right and The same benefits as a combat veteran when they raise their hand and got sworn in they put their life hands of our government. It doesn't matter Carried a M-16, scalpel, or trumpet. we are on the same team and we all fight for the same goal doesn't matter what job we did, only that we were striving for the same goal!

Response by SPC James Vollrath made Aug 17 at 2016 8:35 AM

SPC James Vollrath — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 08:35:24 -0400

Maybe set up the VA with one for combat veterans and one for non-combat veterans, what a dumbass question sounds like something a civilian or left wing dumbass would say... we still love ya though as a fellow Veteran hahaha

Response by PO3 Daniel Bissonnette made Aug 17 at 2016 9:56 AM

PO3 Daniel Bissonnette — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:56:47 -0400

My family; living today - father, my son and I have proudly served this nation. Combat, how much you make and other filtering methods should not be a factor in receiving benefits.

Response by PO1 Richard Mahan made Aug 17 at 2016 9:59 AM

PO1 Richard Mahan — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:59:39 -0400

The VA states that a person has to serve a set time to qualify for service by the VA. I was a combat vet who was injured state side in an auto accident, who's injury led to discovering that I was a diabetic, as well as required fusion of disc in my back. The Navy rated me at 30% disabled upon discharge & the VA rated me at 70%, then 100% disabled. I use the local VA hospital & related services because the Navy misdiagnosed me which cause me to suffer sciatica nerve damage which is controlled by fentynal patches now. So yes use vet center or VA if you are rated by the VA! You rated it when you said "I Do" in taking your oath into service! And enjoy all you can because you volunteered to risk your life & well being for your country!!!

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Aug 17 at 2016 9:59 AM

SPC Steven Depuy — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:59:44 -0400

Thats a personal choice. I was not a combat vet, my son was. I have seen how overloaded the VA system is in his trying to get help. I have insurance, and don't go to the VA for that reason. That being said, when we enlisted, the military promised you health care, so there is nothing wrong with you going there. That's a call you have to make for yourself.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 10:02 AM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:02:32 -0400

It was my understanding we all served at the discretion of the Commander-in-Chief thus we went where we were sent. How many would really request combat assignments in some of the world's armpits?
All who signed on the line should be eligible for VA benefits.

Response by LT Steven Rayl made Aug 17 at 2016 10:10 AM

LT Steven Rayl — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:10:07 -0400

If you were in the military you are a veteran. We all trained for combat and could be called to war at anytime. Many things we trained for could kill us even if it was in combat.

Response by SSgt Thomas Crosser Jr. made Aug 17 at 2016 10:15 AM

SSgt Thomas Crosser Jr. — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:15:08 -0400

How stupid is this question. Team Spirit 89, we had a CH-53 crash, killing and wounding several Marines. Anyone who thinks the survivors should be denied access to VA healthcare should be beaten severely. We lose people all the time, to death and injury preparing for the balloon to go up, they deserve the same care and benefits as anyone wounded in actual combat. To suggest otherwise is disgusting. We keep the faith with everyone, or we keep faith with noone.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 10:16 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:16:55 -0400

Absolutely. You earn the designation "veteran" by having served.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Aug 17 at 2016 10:47 AM

SFC John Fourquet — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:47:28 -0400

Appropriate no. legal yes.

Response by LT Don Van Gilder made Aug 17 at 2016 11:09 AM

LT Don Van Gilder — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:09:04 -0400

I seriously can not believe a person who wore the uniform asked this question.........

Response by MSG Dan Castaneda made Aug 17 at 2016 11:24 AM

MSG Dan Castaneda — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:24:19 -0400

I agree that a veteran is a veteran. Regardless of whether they served in combat or not. I do however, think that the VA should screen veterans leaving the military a little closer before leaving the military and claiming disability. There is this misconception, that if you serve a few years you should get a check for the rest of your life. This mentality that everyone has PTSD has got to stop.

Response by SGT Eliyahu Rooff made Aug 17 at 2016 11:36 AM

SGT Eliyahu Rooff — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:36:43 -0400

Why in the world would you even ask such a question?

Response by SrA A.A. Hall made Aug 17 at 2016 12:19 PM

SrA A.A. Hall — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:19:34 -0400

Yes, I am a 100% disabled, through no fault of mine. I did not smoke, drink, use drugs, I (we) my crew, was devastated all of us were severely injured do to a QCI not doing their work. Do to the area, & sensitivity of our job, I'm not allowed to discuss or disclose any information, but this accident has left us all n terrible physical condition. I have had 7 surgeries on my R. Shoulder, L. Shoulder was injured as well. I also have cervical, thoracic, elbow, SI joint, forearm, missing ribs, lots of nerve & muscle damage. I live in constantly pain due to the nerve damage. I try to keep moving, because if I sit for long periods of time, I get stiff & it's hard to get going again. There would be no way for me to take care of my medical needs w/o the help of the V.A. , so I think that in cases like this we should be allowed access to VA help. But if your negligent, (drinking, drugs, ) & you get injured or injure someone, then maybe no.

Response by SFC David Pope, MBA made Aug 17 at 2016 12:32 PM

SFC David Pope, MBA — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:32:47 -0400

I am not a combat veteran. I have been on many humanitarian assignments and have been injured while performing my duties as a soldier. I am 40% service connected disabled from performing my duties in the army. I was willing to go to war. I volunteered to go to the Gulf when several members of my platoon went. When I was selected and sent home to pack my bags to leave for the Gulf, the war ended. Does that make me less of a soldier? I have a buddy that blew out his knee on a training jump and has had multiple knee surgeries. He wasn't in combat, but his injuries were from performing his duties. I have been in hostile zones and received hazard duty pay, but I was never in combat. You need to realize young specialist that the military does more than go to war, and that soldiers don't only get injured in war. The VA is for ALL veterans who served, just because we didn't make the ultimate sacrifice does not mean we weren't willing to!

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Aug 17 at 2016 12:49 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:49:45 -0400

I am a retired non-combat veteran. I don't use the VA because I don't have to because I have Tricare, but I am a volunteer van driver for the DAV transporting vets to the Birmingham AL VA hospital. I would guess that 2/3 of these vets are not combat vets. The problem is that these vets in many cases have continuing disabilities that they can not afford to get treated by any other place than the VA. Many are homeless or semi-homeless. The VA is their lifeline. To deny them care just because they aren't wounded vets would just be wrong. As I said I'm not a combat vet but I was injured during my time in service but chose not to apply for benefits because I have other possibilities for care. But what if instead of serving 20+ years I only served 19 years. Would you deny me care for injuries I incurred while on active duty? A veteran is a veteran no matter when or where they served. The only requirement is 181 days of active duty. It's the VA not the Combat VA.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Aug 17 at 2016 1:33 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:33:29 -0400

There are thousands who served during peace time or during the Cold War. Should they be denied? NO!

The VA serves ALL veterans.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Aug 17 at 2016 1:55 PM

PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:55:03 -0400

Who was the I D 10 Tango to ask this?? I put time in as well in Combat Support Arms (PATRIOT MISSILES) and someone is saying/trying to say that 'so sorry the Army messed you up, but since you saw NO combat kiss six." NO WAY NO HOW. We ALL saw combat one way or another and we ALL deserve to be cared for. We ALL HAVE scars from battle!!! We signed the 'blank check' and mine cost me dearly- a percentage of my sight, my mental health and constant work to keep it built up so I don't fall.

I am angry and hurt that anyone would try to exclude OR suggest exclusion of ANY veterans that served during ANYTIME being peace or war cause we can go to combat any moment.

Like Drill Sgt Mason and Drill Sgt Banis liked to say, "This one is lacking a common brain cell."

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Aug 17 at 2016 1:55 PM

SPC Brian Mason — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:55:41 -0400

Yes and no. It depends. We're all POG's except for grunts. Personnel-other than-grunt. From what I know, soldiers deployed to another country, in a Combat zone, are in 'combat'. As a Medic, I've seen my share. Of course the Fobbits will get harassed because they rarely leave the wire. FOB's get attacked and the enemy doesn't care who or where they hit.
However, if a soldier has not directly been in combat then he/she is NOT combat experienced. Simply avoiding gunfire and explosions is one thing, but to return fire, eliminate the threat, and in my case, treat wounded while they are trying to kill me/us is VERY different.
Active Soldiers get to use a lot of military and government facilities. When one is out-processed from the military he/she would get something detailing what, if any benefits and resources that they may use.
I can use the VA hospital (thankfully one is close to me) for almost anything, though I don't abuse it. I got a 2 year and 4 year degree paid by VA Education. As long as a soldier uses what he/she is given then I see no problem. Lying to use benefits they didn't earn or b/c of a result of injury or similar is dishonest and breaks LDRSHIP.

Response by PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster made Aug 17 at 2016 2:15 PM

PFC Pamala (Hall) Foster — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:15:36 -0400

OK, OK, Who ever tells a veteran they can not use the VA for treatment is the biggest I D 10 Tango in military history. You sign the 'blank check' and get injured, you are owed care for SC rating. The VA understands us and as veterans, we have to unite and demand that promises be kept. Angry isn't even close to how I am feeling right now. You EARNED the title VETERAN-ALL of us on RallyPoint have due to signing that 'check' and giving of ourselves.

I am just frustrated that this question was asked-all questions are not foolish, but man oh man, NEVER doubt what you have earned in service. YOU walked the walk in Basic, in Individual Training, at your unit and most of all as a Veteran.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 2:22 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:22:43 -0400

About the only thing I have run across in my job as a VSO is the question of "free", i.e. no copays, the first 5 years out of service.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 3:14 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:14:46 -0400

Yes, absolutely. All veterans went out and stated with hand raised that they would protect and serve our nation. To exclude those who were not in combat operations would be to demean the contributions they gave outside of conflict and undermine the brotherhood inherent to military service.

Response by SPC Louis Gillespie made Aug 17 at 2016 3:22 PM

SPC Louis Gillespie — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:22:54 -0400

Let's be very clear about this issue. You are Nothing Special because you served in Combat ! I want to very Damn Clear about what I am about to say. There are Heroes in every conflict and there are Heroes in other parts and countries in this world. There is but one difference between those who served in combat and those that have not and that my friends is " GOD & Uncle Sam ! You cannot dispute this undeniable fact ! We All did as we were instructed to do and go where we we sent. We Followed Orders. If that happened to be combat related you went. However to deny your brothers and sisters medical benefits and disability because it is not combat related is absolutely absurd. Those that feel that this is just need to seek assistance because your thought process is clouded and misguided. End Of Story !!

Response by PO2 Sam Tkach made Aug 17 at 2016 3:32 PM

PO2 Sam Tkach — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:32:45 -0400

Yes.

Response by SFC Jeff Couch made Aug 17 at 2016 3:44 PM

SFC Jeff Couch — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:44:48 -0400

We are all called veterans for a reason that type of mentality is the very reason you have brother against brother and sister against sister I look at it as I was proud to have served my 24 years then got to retire to ask that type of question is rating yourself above others if you saw combat I am glad your home if you haven't I'm am glad you served one foot in front of the other my RP freinds

Response by PO1 Robert Johnson made Aug 17 at 2016 4:21 PM

PO1 Robert Johnson — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:21:52 -0400

I am a Viet Nam veteran with 27 years of Naval service. I was one of the fortunate who did not receive a combat wound. My disability came from an unfortunate PCS assignment to an area of the country where vegetation was different from any place I had been before and I developed adult onset asthma. I was declared unfit for active or reserve duty and given a medical discharge. There are many service members with similar stories who didn't get disabilities or who developed conditions related to their MOSs or their environments or had preexisting conditions (EPTE) aggravated by their service and they are all eligible for services through the VA.
Besides the medical benefits, anyone with an honorable discharge is qualified for VA guaranteed mortgages, college education, etc. Just because you weren't shot or otherwise combat injured does not meant that you have not earned VA benefit.

Response by Sgt William Straub Jr. made Aug 17 at 2016 4:31 PM

Sgt William Straub Jr. — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:31:50 -0400

As I remember the contract I signed. It said Veteran. There was no distinction between combat and non-combat. My biggest issue is that when I was Honorably Separated with 4 years active duty in 1973, I went to the VA Med Ctr in West Haven, CT for a chest cold since I had no insurance at the time. I received a purple ID card. A year later I used the VA to secure a mortgage on my home. Now jump to 2010, I had used the VA on a 2nd mortgage and again no medical insurance. I went to the VA in Atlanta, and I was told I wasn't in the system. Ridiculous. I had used the VA twice for mortgages and once for medical. Evidently my records weren't updated. Then they told me I earned too much money to use the VA. I don't have a lot of good to say about the system, but I have been fortunate in never having been in the position that required long term medical care or rehab. I do feel for those combat vets who get the run around.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 5:06 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:06:19 -0400

If you served with honor, you have more than earned the right.
It doesn't matter if you are a combat veteran.

Response by MAJ David Parr made Aug 17 at 2016 5:47 PM

MAJ David Parr — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:47:55 -0400

With the VA, the emphasis is whether or not it is 'service connected', and not if you were active duty, Reserve or Guard...

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Aug 17 at 2016 6:30 PM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:30:36 -0400

I am a 100% Disabled Vet with 30 years of active duty service; 4 years Navy; 26 years Coast Guard; enlisting in the Navy in 1970 and retiring as a CWO4 from the Coast Guard in 2001, with a 1 year service break.

I spent two years onboard the USS MIDWAY (CVA41) during Vietnam and spent, on one 10 month, 3 week WESTPAC Cruise 205 days in the Tonkin Gulf. I was an E3, Aviation Ordnancemen, working in the Ship's Guided Missile Shop building, testing, and supplying air launched guided weapons to the deployed aircraft squadrons onboard.

There was a time when I felt guilty of calling myself a "Vietnam Vet" although I was awarded (with countless others) the Vietnam Campaign and Vietnam Service Medals; guilty because my service was off-shore - not in country. I am fortunate that I don't carry any scars or nightmares from my service like many of my comrades.

One day I thought - (as was mentioned above by LTC Beattie) hell I served, I did my job to the best of my ability, I contributed to the Vietnam war effort. Twenty-seven or so of my shipmates never came home with us; either lost at sea, KIA, MIA, POW, or like the 5 shipmates killed when an A6 Tanker crashed on our flight deck one night. So without guilt, I am a Vietnam Vet and proud of it.

Its been mentioned too - I was always available for (as they say) world-wide assignment; never disputed nor turned down orders; and did my job to the best of my abilities. During those 30 years I ruined my lower back between man-handling missiles or later, as a storekeeper, moving stores; have boarded smuggler's boats (who were armed); have a pair of titanium, polyethylene, and cobalt steel knees, a titanium plate and 4 screws in my neck, 5 cardiac stents, and various other physical ailments. When I got my initial VA Rating of 80% in 2002 I didn't think I was disabled; but had disabilities that would cause me problems later in life. Well hell, 2 years later I started working for Customs (then CBP) as an armed inspector then CBP Officer. Everyone of those rated disabilities reared their ugly heads including replacing both knees and a significant heart attack in 2014 that forced me into retirement early and bringing me up to 100% disabled - the Cardiologist, when I asked when I could return to work said "never!" So now I try to take life a little easier; and take those 11 pills a day...

As a retiree, I maintain my access to TRICARE PRIME; now by virtue of living in Texas, I am fortunate enough to use BAMC San Antonio so I don't have to use an already overburdened VA Medical System; but you know what - I've paid my dues - I'm neither complaining nor bragging, but I am a disabled vet and if I had no choice I would use the VA Medical System.

I have deep respect for all the men and women who have served in the Combat Arms, in harms way and especially those who are permanently scarred; physically, mentally, and emotionally. Thank all of you for your service.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Aug 17 at 2016 7:24 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:24:07 -0400

If you have spent your time on active duty or have a tour of duty in a combat zone as a member of the reserve components, You have earned your membership in the VA health system. We have all did our time and this is one of the commitments our country has made to us.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 8:22 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:22:04 -0400

Lol no it's not lmao let them live bro they did their time so they rate it

Response by LCpl Alan Smith made Aug 17 at 2016 9:05 PM

LCpl Alan Smith — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:05:25 -0400

After getting the building I WAS sleeping in BLOWN TO HELL AND CRASHING DOWN ON ME on date 10/23/1983. I am still to this day not A combat vet. Perhaps I should not be using the VA? Many are injured in the service in non-combat roles. 90% disabled is still disable. Semper Fi

Response by Sgt Greg Wilcox made Aug 17 at 2016 9:27 PM

Sgt Greg Wilcox — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:27:09 -0400

I too am a 100% disabled veteran. I use the VA hospital and all the clinics available to me. Yes, I only spent 9 years active duty from 1990 to 19999, no, I did not see any combat. But the training that I attended tdid subject me to real world chemicals and the supposed treatment for chemical and biological warfare. It is my strong opinion that these chemicals and "cures" led me to develope Multiple Sclerosis. So, yes you are more than entitled to all the VA benefits coming to you. You raised your right hand just as all veterans.

Response by PO2 David Ball made Aug 17 at 2016 9:40 PM

PO2 David Ball — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:40:29 -0400

Are just under informed or stupid ? Have you even been to one of these centers ? Try reading these notices on the wall that these places have it's usually called a mission statement. Also just what is your background , grunt, special forces because NOT ONE OF THESE PEOPLE CAN FIGHT A WAR ALONE ! We might not be the pride of the corps but without use the pride do not ride or take a shower, eat food or have a place to safety take a crap nor would they have that toilet paper to wipe up ! So watch it bub or you will fight alone in the dark with nothing but you hands and feet to fight with !And no way to get home or how to find it !

Response by A1C Gerald Jessup made Aug 17 at 2016 10:27 PM

A1C Gerald Jessup — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 22:27:44 -0400

damn right it's appropriate. it is one of the promises made for our service. why the hell would you even ask this question?

Response by SSgt James Connolly made Aug 17 at 2016 10:55 PM

SSgt James Connolly — Wed, 17 Aug 2016 22:55:07 -0400

As a veteran meaning you have served over 180 days in the service,or been called to active duty you have the same rights of all Veterans.IF YOU QUALIFY UNDER THE FOLLOWING GUIDE LINES and thats when you find your self in a certain Catagory ! threw 8,Service connected comes first and then on down the line.If you were medicaly discharged and diid not take severance pay,See a national service officer and have him file a claim for you.Please do not try navigating the rules and reg's yourself

Response by PO1 Kevin Arnold made Aug 18 at 2016 12:11 AM

PO1 Kevin Arnold — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 00:11:06 -0400

Yes, for if a person served their country for whatever reason they should be allowed to use the VA. I served 20 years in the U.S. Navy Submarine Service and for the most part was not involved in direct combat. So does this make me non eligible to use the VA. I might not be a disabled veteran but if a person served then they should be allowed to serve. There are a lot of support rates in the military and they might be on the front lines but not in direct combat but still there to help those that are. Don't know what each person is subjected to during the time of their service. Everyone who serves their country was called upon to do their part and now it is the countries to do their part.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Aug 18 at 2016 12:45 AM

SPC Byron Skinner — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 00:45:48 -0400

Sp4 Byron Skinner…The Specialists doesn't specify his problem beyond an heart issue. The chances are the VA is not the place for you, the majority of the Doctors in a VA Med. Ctr. are interns do ing their residency, get evaluated and the VA will let you get private health care. There is a lot of condition that a training hospital like the VA don't do well with. The VA not acknowledges that and are letting and even helping the Veteran find the best available help. This has nothing to do with ones experience in combat or not. It is a health issue.

Response by SPC Jacob Hostetler made Aug 18 at 2016 1:13 AM

SPC Jacob Hostetler — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 01:13:33 -0400

No if they have warn the brunch uniform they have earned the right to use veteran service, be it medical or not. There combat veteran, that used VA that do not have claim on file, that are not purple hearts, but are still Veteran's.

Response by SFC Derrick Graves made Aug 18 at 2016 1:21 AM

SFC Derrick Graves — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 01:21:30 -0400

I can't understand why this subject was submitted as a question. There are laws in place established by Congress that state in general terms if you are an honorable discharged veteran you meet the basic eligibility for VA assistance. Now depending on the the VA program the veteran needs assistance with might require a specific length/period of service. But how did we get to this point where we're classifing a non-combat veteran over a combat veteran. Again this is where Congress created the landscape with multiple laws that effect each veteran differently (ex. For burial and memorial benefits a veteran has to have completed 24 months continuous active duty/honorable or general discharge and for enlisted: service after 9-7-1980, officers: service after 10-16-1981). Unfortunately this is the current reality that applies to all veterans.

Response by SPC Manuel Casares made Aug 18 at 2016 1:52 AM

SPC Manuel Casares — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 01:52:01 -0400

God bless all our servicemen and servicewomen. May you all find the help you need. I was a 92A in the US Army 90-97.

Response by PO2 Suzanne Reed made Aug 18 at 2016 3:04 AM

PO2 Suzanne Reed — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 03:04:09 -0400

Yes, we are all veterans, we served.

Response by SP6 Ed Waltz made Aug 18 at 2016 7:10 AM

SP6 Ed Waltz — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:10:13 -0400

I'm a combat vet and all the VA did for me is screw up two surgeries and I spent 3 mo in civilian hospital and 6 more months in hospital bed with nurse and aid. I wouldn't use or recommend VA for any surgeries of any kind. I wont even let them draw blood to see primary care doc as I got two different infections and merica virus there too. As far as I'm concerened I'll use my medicare instead and go to civilian doctor. Also the so called Choice Program sucks. Waited adiitional 3 months to see civilian surgeon.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Aug 18 at 2016 7:34 AM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:34:05 -0400

At first I couldn't believe that this was a serious question. After reviewing comments I realized it was, but still don't understand why it was asked. Of course its ok for anyone who has served in the military to use any VA service/facility. Being in combat has nothing to do with eligibility. Don't know the hard statistics, but I'd wager there are at least 3 people who served in non-combat support positions for every one person who was actually in combat. You're Army, I was Air Force; in the AF we would call your question typical fighter pilot mentality, meaning someone who had no idea what it takes to be able to get that jet in the air.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Aug 18 at 2016 7:48 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 07:48:50 -0400

I served 915 days in Vietnam, so I would like to comment on this. First of all a veteran is a veteran, and that's it. Being a veteran doesn't mean you had to roll around in the mud with an enemy soldier, stabbing at each other with knives. You did your job, as best you could, in a difficult situation. It's a chicken shit question for anyone to post, and you should be ashamed of yourself for doing it

Response by CPT Al Picon made Aug 18 at 2016 9:03 AM

CPT Al Picon — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:03:39 -0400

I can't believe you posted this question!!

Response by PO2 Lemual Martin made Aug 18 at 2016 12:47 PM

PO2 Lemual Martin — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:47:25 -0400

Get in touch with the benefits office at you local VA or the closest one that has such an office. I got some small disability at the VA in Temple Texas. They will review your records of course and have to make inquiries. Speak to other vets particularly those of the Vietnam era and you will find that they can point you in the right direction. Is what a friend did for me. Hope this helps.

Response by AN Anita Feerer made Aug 18 at 2016 12:58 PM

AN Anita Feerer — Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:58:29 -0400

Yes it is appropriate.
First off to receive treatment you have to have a service connected disability. Most treatment will be connected to your disability or if you have a high enough rating to receive treatment of other issues aside from an annual checkup. If you recieve treatment for a non service connected issue you probably will have to pay a co-pay of some sort. If you served and did so honorably you are entitled to treatment in a VA facility.

Now I want to address those who think that those veterans who didn't serve in combat shouldn't receive treatment or compensation from the VA. The only polite way I can say it is screw you. I watched as my husband, who didn't serve in combat, had to fight RDC's in boot camp when he injured his ankle that called him shit bag and malingerer and other terms to say he wasn't fit to be in the military. I watched as he put duct tape over his tennis shoe to give his ankle stability so he could run his final pt test and battle stations to graduate. I watched and listened to his despair when he had to quit corpsman school because he couldn't complete the run on an ankle that wouldn't support him. I saw the Navy medical center in Portsmouth label him as a drug seeker when he complained of the pain in his ankle. I watched as he fired his doctor and had to offer to pay for an MRI to find out what was wrong with his ankle and had been wrong for almost 18 months. I listened as the doctors who repaired three torn tendons in his ankle with bone screws said "this surgery may have worked when it was first injured but this far out its highly doubtful." I watched as when he was medically discharged and the VA doctors told him the pain that was now radiating to his back after all the time he had spent in the Navy in cam walkers and on crutches had messed with his back was all in his head. I have heard the cracking of his voice as he says honey I'm sorry my back won't let me do this. I've watched a man who had so much to live for has crumbled into a man who began to believe all those from the military days that he was worthless. I've watched his own form of PTSD has drug him down and everyday I try to build back that man I once knew. So anyone that thinks he's not entitled for compensation or treatment I have to disagree.
Now for someone who breaks their back in a car wreck after their time in service. I believe that the way the VA is set up they won't get compensation for that injury but they would have to make a co-pay their treatment the treatment isn't completely free.

Response by PO3 William Garner made Aug 19 at 2016 9:21 AM

PO3 William Garner — Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:21:25 -0400

Very strange question to ask here. We're all veterans, we all signed on the bottom line and went where we were told and did the job we were required to do.

Response by SSG Michael Angelo made Aug 21 at 2016 2:00 AM

SSG Michael Angelo — Sun, 21 Aug 2016 02:00:02 -0400

When we make the decision to enlist in the Armed Forces we make a commitment to defend this great nation of ours. As of that moment every single member of our Armed Forces, combat or non combat, are committed to respond when called upon to deploy at any moments notice. We are all in this together. So every single one of us should have the same rights. Proud to have served. Gulf war vet.

Response by CMSgt Mark Lewis made Aug 21 at 2016 1:45 PM

CMSgt Mark Lewis — Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:45:20 -0400

Yes!

Response by SGT Stanley Bass made Aug 21 at 2016 7:12 PM

SGT Stanley Bass — Sun, 21 Aug 2016 19:12:55 -0400

I am not going to read to many of the comments. purely got fired up because of the title of it. I served in "two combat zones." Was in Turkey when Desert storm broke out. Was in Kuwait when 9-11 happened. All of my ailments and disabilities are service connected, and VA Rated. However I saw noactual combat. But I served. As Stated Below the Va is for all veterans. Also I have had to call my Congressman due to differences in treatments in my current region as opposed to a region I was in with the VA before, and my congressman's office took care of the issue

Response by PO1 Ron Clark made Aug 23 at 2016 2:45 PM

PO1 Ron Clark — Tue, 23 Aug 2016 14:45:01 -0400

Yes very appropriate, you served and were either honorably/medically discharged or retired. It is appropriate. Get your bennies!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2016 2:37 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:37:42 -0400

to answer truthfully, I felt that the VA was for veterans that got out with injures, and other related military medical issues. after losing my job in 2011 and trying to get disability and other state help which I have been denied several times. my stepdad, a navy non-combat service vet had been getting treatment at the local VA. I was dealing with hearing loss and some other health issues, but since I lost my job had no income and no where to go for treatment.

my mom and stepdad took me to the VA hospital and had me fill out the paperwork. I asked the person behind the counter if they treated ALL veterans, the answer was yes as long as they are honorabley discharged or had service related injures or Med Board out.

if it wasn't for the VA, I would not be here today as my health has gotten worse in some ways and better in others, now that I am under their care.

Response by SSG Dennis Wood made Aug 25 at 2016 2:34 PM

SSG Dennis Wood — Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:34:01 -0400

Service connection is a service connection. Doesn't have to be from combat. I think that there is a stigma in the guys that didn't serve that they will be looked down upon for having a disability and not having sustained it in combat.

Response by A1C Gerald Jessup made Aug 25 at 2016 8:16 PM

A1C Gerald Jessup — Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:16:44 -0400

i personally find it offensive that someone even asked this question. it was one of the promises made to all veterans when they signed up.

Response by SFC William A. McCoy made Sep 2 at 2016 7:17 AM

SFC William A. McCoy — Fri, 02 Sep 2016 07:17:06 -0400

Yes, since they are liable for service anywhere and have sworn to protect our nation.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Sep 2 at 2016 12:12 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Fri, 02 Sep 2016 12:12:54 -0400

The Vet Center and the VA was not set up for Combat Veterans. It was set up for ALL veterans whether or not they were Active, Non-Active, Reservists, Combat, or non-combat. Plain and simple.

Response by PO1 Danny Lewis made Sep 16 at 2016 6:54 PM

PO1 Danny Lewis — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 18:54:57 -0400

The VA is for all veterans

Response by SPC Barbara (Crocker) Carlson made Sep 16 at 2016 7:05 PM

SPC Barbara (Crocker) Carlson — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:05:25 -0400

Absolutely! I served. I was injured (twice). Those injuries have had quite a large impact on my life ever since -- I am 90%, but 100% with IU P&T.

Response by SGM Patrick Kirby made Oct 14 at 2016 9:42 PM

SGM Patrick Kirby — Fri, 14 Oct 2016 21:42:22 -0400

A veteran is a veteran regardless of MOS or assignments. Clear Airborne?

Response by SFC Michael Baney made Nov 5 at 2016 2:28 PM

SFC Michael Baney — Sat, 05 Nov 2016 14:28:51 -0400

How dare any veteran assume his or her service is more valuable to our country because he or she received orders to deploy to combat. Shame on anyone who believes this, and you are really an egotistical jackass. Statistically only about 1% or so of our population ever serves to begin with. If someone on this forum doesn't like to whom the Veterans Health Administration provides healthcare, I suggest you petition your federal congress person to change it OR KEEP YOUR UNEDUCATED, BIASED, SELF-IMPORTANT OPINION TO YOURSELF. In the military, we do as we are ordered to do and that involves deployments. These orders do not always fall in line with what we want to do. I was in many units over my 22 years and from 2001 through my 2006 retirement I had MANY SOLDIERS ask to be augmentees to units that deployed and were highly disappointed when those positions were filled with others. Does this mean they are less a veteran? Does this mean that if they were injured in a NON-COMBAT related military incident preparing for his or her combat role as we are all supposed to that injury shouldn't be treated at government expense at a VA facility?

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Nov 10 at 2016 2:32 PM

FN Charlie Spivey — Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:32:13 -0500

As long as you weren't Dishonorably discharged, you can receive VA services. Doesn't matter if you did a Combat tour or not. You don't have to be Service Connected either. A lot are, but there are a lot that are just VA Enrollees.

Response by MAJ David Parr made Nov 11 at 2016 4:14 PM

MAJ David Parr — Fri, 11 Nov 2016 16:14:53 -0500

VA care is for ALL veterans, not just a select few who may have been deployed to a 'combat' zone. Enough said, Case closed.

Response by SSgt Michael Cox made Nov 13 at 2016 3:21 AM

SSgt Michael Cox — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 03:21:31 -0500

Vet Centers are ment for Combat Veterans but if you have PTS or are a MST victim then you can still go. As for the VA Medical Centers any veteran who has been honorably discharged can and should go and register. You get 5 years of free medical upon separation and free hearing and vision for life.

You should also register on Ebenefits as well as see a Veteran Service Officer or (VSO) to see if you might be able to claim any service connected disabilities.

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 13 at 2016 6:09 AM

SPC Phil Norton — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 06:09:03 -0500

A veteran is someone that served their time and recieved an honorable discharge. If a Veteran needs to talk with someone, why should it matter if they saw combat or not? Vet centers are for all Vets and I'm not even going to to justify the VA question. Just because a veteran didn't see combat doesn't mean they won't need help adjusting to civi land. I am considered a combat veteran. Even though I don't qualify for a CMB because it was considered a peace keeping mission. Instead I got a Joint Forces Epeditionary Medal. The role of all veterans is crucial. That's why there is another classification of veterans the Cold War Era veteran.

Response by PO1 Larry Munden made Nov 17 at 2016 11:58 AM

PO1 Larry Munden — Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:58:12 -0500

The day a boy or girl, man or woman swears the oath, they are agreeing to the ultimate sacrifice, their life, and are entitled to the same rights privileges and health care as anybody who did the same, regardless of actually engaging the enemy in actual combat. Anything less is a breach of contract .

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Nov 24 at 2016 2:07 PM

SPC Brian Mason — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 14:07:22 -0500

Some services a veteran does not get. If not injured during service then they won't get service-connected disability benefits. Despite combat or no, I think all veterans get many benefits, as long as they are honorable discharged.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Nov 25 at 2016 8:17 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 08:17:58 -0500

A veteran is a veteran, regardless if they were in combat or not.

Response by SFC Ernest Thurston made Nov 25 at 2016 1:35 PM

SFC Ernest Thurston — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 13:35:40 -0500

I've responded to this before, but I have one more thing to say. The original question was " is it appropriate for non-combat vets to use the VA. The VA was not established to serve just combat veterans. You can go all the way back to the end of the Civil War and see how veterans were treated. Our nation has always tried to help those of us that volunteered to give our all for our nation no matter what the results of that service turned out to be. If people think that the VA should be restricted to combat vets where do we draw the line. Do you have to loose body parts to qualify. Do you have to be shot. Should you get benefits if you stub your toe on a rock. When you start trying to qualify what constitutes a vet you will eventually wind up taking away benefits from all vets.

Response by PO1 Mac MacIntyre made Nov 26 at 2016 11:50 AM

PO1 Mac MacIntyre — Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:50:36 -0500

Divide and conquer. That is a government trick, and it is pure bull. You qualify as a veteran, your a veteran, we allow the government to start placing us in their useful pigeon holes, for different "benefits" we will all lose.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Nov 26 at 2016 2:48 PM

SSG Jeremy Sharp — Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:48:08 -0500

Why would it not be appropriate? There is no combat requirement for VA healthcare. Many soldiers are injured, disabled and paralyzed during non combat related duty every year. Is their service, sacrifice and injury somehow cheapened by the fact that it did not occur in combat? I think not!

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Dec 1 at 2016 4:20 PM

PO2 Weaver Brian — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:20:52 -0500

I find it difficult to believe such an asinine question is still posted here. When it first appeared, I believed it to be beneath my dignity to even respond, but since I keep seeing it, I have decided I should say something.
SPC Alex Martin, do you somehow believe it to be impossible for a serviceman to be injured in anything other than a combat situation? This is what you imply with your question. In Jan 1979, 3 1/2 years after Viet Nam, and several years before Desert Storm, I was injured aboard ship. My injuries eventually resulted in amputation of my right leg below the knee. So I will put your question back to you; do you believe it inappropriate for me to use the Vet Center and/or the VA? Please explain your answer. And remember, I haven't said where I was nor what my ship was doing there at the time. Being between wars, the VA classifies me as a non-combat veteran. That should be all you need to know to answer intelligently.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Dec 15 at 2016 3:25 PM

1SG Robert Rush — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:25:40 -0500

I have read many questions posed on this site. Individuals need to talk these things over with their fellow soldiers and friends before they post it on this medium.
Every person that serves with honor, no matter which branch, deserves what they are given by law. Whether a person has seen combat or not, they still served with honor.

Response by CPL Daniel Schwinge made Dec 15 at 2016 9:11 PM

CPL Daniel Schwinge — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:11:14 -0500

I am offended that this question is even asked. There are at least 10 non combatant veterans working to keep 1 fighting veteran supplied and taken care of. I was a Operating Room Tech and Combat Medic for 10 years and have not spent 1 day in combat. I still served. I was still part of the "team" that fights. Keeping me out of any veteran assistance out there is just a kick in the teeth.

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Dec 29 at 2016 10:57 PM

PO2 Weaver Brian — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:57:11 -0500

This question is extremely offensive. why is it still here?

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2017 11:53 AM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:53:31 -0500

As we all know, we were deployed at the discretion of the Commander in Chief, thus none of us were in any control of where we were sent and how long. So, if some of us were sent to a "theater" and some were not, we all supported the mission. Done, end of discussion.

Response by PO3 Tamee Chester made Mar 1 at 2017 8:21 AM

PO3 Tamee Chester — Wed, 01 Mar 2017 08:21:35 -0500

I was kicked out of the va healthcare system after 6 years in. They said my husband and I make too much money (combined gross 48,000). They also told me that it goes back to when I first applied, that some numbers did not match and I should not have been accepted (their error, my fault). I am an honorably discharged veteran of the the United States Navy, was deployed halfway around the world. It seems I am not "good enough" of a veteran for my country. I am heartbroken.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Mar 2 at 2017 3:03 AM

SSgt Jim Gilmore — Thu, 02 Mar 2017 03:03:32 -0500

The sign says: Department of Veterans Affairs not Department of Combat Veterans Affairs. Sounds like someone crapped in your kibble. Grow a pair and then build a bridge and get over it.

Response by Sgt Bob Leonard made Apr 3 at 2017 2:20 AM

Sgt Bob Leonard — Mon, 03 Apr 2017 02:20:20 -0400

Anyone who raised their right hand and promised to, "Preserve, Protect, and Defend..." bought a ticket that could be punched at any time. It's the ticket, not the punch, that gets you through the door.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Apr 3 at 2017 2:49 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Mon, 03 Apr 2017 02:49:15 -0400

Why wouldn't it be ? they are still Armed Forces Veterans !

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Apr 6 at 2017 1:23 PM

SPC Steven Depuy — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 13:23:05 -0400

To me its a personal choice. If you served, its your right. I don't, because it overloaded and people who need help can't get it. But I have insurance and a decent job, so its a choice I can afford to make.

Response by 1LT Tom Wilson made Apr 13 at 2017 6:51 PM

1LT Tom Wilson — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 18:51:32 -0400

This continues to be an obnoxious question.
If a former member received the National Defense Service Medal, s/he is elgible for VA benefits.

The mercenary parasites who had other priorities than military service and currently want to privitize the VA take great comfort in this sort of insidious proposal. They just want to gut the VA, sell it for scrap and reward themselves the proceeds in the name of "cost efficiency". If you need a more concret example, the Freedom Caucus want to do with the VA what Frank Lorenzo did to Eastern Airline and get rich in the same way,

It is naked vultue capitalism, pure and simple.

Response by MSG James Hughs made Apr 20 at 2017 10:24 PM

MSG James Hughs — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:24:16 -0400

WHY NOT.... If they volunteered / was drafted and he or she served honorably......they are veterans..... combat is often just the luck of the draw.... but more importantly WE ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME TEAM.....if that REMF had not driven that truck of ammo to the issue point.....I would not have lasted long in the jungle..... he needs me at the point of the spear.....but I also need him and probably would not survive without him

Response by SSgt Annette McCoy made Feb 28 at 2018 1:04 PM

SSgt Annette McCoy — Wed, 28 Feb 2018 13:04:09 -0500

I can’t see far enough back on the thread to see if someone already said this, but VA funding is based on the number of veterans signed up. Signing up non-combat veterans allows the VA to offer more services to combat vets.

Response by TSgt Bret Whitmore made May 18 at 2018 1:12 AM

TSgt Bret Whitmore — Fri, 18 May 2018 01:12:07 -0400

No one can pick their wars, Specialist. To claim otherwise is pure B.S.

My wars were the last nine years of the Cold War, Urgent Fury, and Desert Shield/Storm. The latter two I was on-deck for, my ruck already packed or my chalk number on orders for the next team into the fray. But the lights went out on both before my team had a chance at-bat. The first one, however, I was an active combatant (and thank GOD no thermonuclear free-fire zone was ever declared) despite the fact for nearly two whole enlistments, guarding ICBMs or GLCM missiles miles away from Ivan (whether here in the Upper Midwest or in the forests of W. Germany) I still served at ground-zero of what might have been the front lines of World War III, had the USSR launched a preemptive first-strike.

Whether the rest of the world knew about us or even cared, SAC, USAFE, AAC interceptors, Navy Boomers, tin-can Sailors, Coasties chasing Soviet trawlers, Army tankers and P-II troops in W. Germany (and all the rest) sure as hell knew we were in it together and truly AT WAR with the Soviet bear. Only the ignorant claim otherwise, or that ours was a bloodless time period, or that the damnable phrase "Peacetime Service" came without a cost in human sweat, blood or lives. To assume so is an indefensible insult to all the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Coasties (our friends, brothers and sisters) who died in the line-of-duty from 1946-1991. You of a younger generation have our determination and resolve to thank you're still alive to pose such ludicrous questions.

Many times I've faced junior noobs with the mindset they're better, stronger, faster, more elite or whatever, simply because of time or place, MOS or school, or pure dumb luck. True leaders don't draw attention to themselves. They sure as hell don't need to brag. It takes EVERY troop to win a war, every MOS, AFSC, Rate, etc., and even those sorry chest-pounding wind-bags and wannabes, too dumb to know any better.

Last time I checked the Vet Center places a combat- requirement on access to their services. Stupid idea I think, considering if they want to truly save lives, they need to realize it's both combat and non-combat Vets among the shameful "21-a-day" suicide statistic. Those among us in dire straights need all the help they can get, but to shut their doors to those outside of certain conflicts or locations??!!! Gimme a break!

The VA (rightly) places no combat-zone requirement on the use of their services, despite certain reasonable ranking systems prioritizing need and access. Geography, and whether bullets and bombs were currently in-play or not, should NEVER make a difference. We ALL signed Uncle Sam's blank check and put our lives on the line. As long as we finished our careers with a clean and honorable DD214, we're ALL deserving of access to the help and services of the nation we pledged our lives to protect, when we need them.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jun 25 at 2018 5:36 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:36:56 -0400

Strange I never saw a sign at those places saying Combat Vets only- just Veterans Welcome. What is wrong with any Vet using them?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2019 11:36 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 09 Feb 2019 23:36:17 -0500

The VA administers your GI Bill payments (I mean, they have their act together). And then there's your VA Home Loan eligibility. And if a veteran was disabled through their service but not necessarily in combat, they still got hurt serving their country. (On that note, "Stay alert!...")

Response by SPC Mike Thatcher made Feb 13 at 2019 9:27 AM

SPC Mike Thatcher — Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:27:22 -0500

It most certainly is appropriate. In 1966/67, you did not have to be assigned a combat mos, to experience small arms fire, rocket attacks, or mortar attacks aimed at you, In Phu Bai.

Response by SPC Mike Thatcher made Feb 13 at 2019 9:46 AM

SPC Mike Thatcher — Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:46:44 -0500

How can that question even get asked? Vietnam vet here, and proud of it. Non -combat mos. Do you have any idea what it is like, to spend a night in a trench, built by the French a long time ago? Monson season, 6" of water in the trench, zips sending mortars and small arms fire your way. Nope, guess I should not use the VA! The VA is there for all vets needing medical and mental health help. After 45 plus years, it was either my 3rd wife would leave me, I would drink more, or blow my brains out. It has been about 5 years now, my marraige is wonderful, and the docs at the VA saved my life. You know, you probably have PTSD, but don't admit it. "There is nothing wrong with me", is what we all say. Sorry about all this, I got carried away.

Response by PO1 Steve Wiseman made Feb 27 at 2019 3:06 PM

PO1 Steve Wiseman — Wed, 27 Feb 2019 15:06:31 -0500

I fit in that unique category wher I served on active duty from 1970-1974 but was never on the ground or deployed to Vietnam Nam. I remained in active reserves until 1980. Spent 2 weeks at Camp Lejune for Field Medical training. However I do not qualify for any veteran benifits. This makes me feel like the time a served did not count for anything. Second class vet.

Response by CPL Hal Pinansky made Feb 27 at 2019 6:22 PM

CPL Hal Pinansky — Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:22:25 -0500

The VA is for all veterans whether they served in combat or not. My beef is when I run into someone and find out that they are collecting disability from a non combat injury and then they tell me about their karate lessons, going skiing, roller blading, and many of the other sports that you wuold imagine that someone with a disability could not do. I have even met a lifeguard who later told me that he had a 100% disability. I really think that the VA has to look closer at awarding disabilities so that resources and money are not wasted on people who do not diserve it. I was injured a couple of times while on active duty, but never gave a thought about going after a disability.

Response by SPC Richard Anderson made May 9 at 2019 9:35 AM

SPC Richard Anderson — Thu, 09 May 2019 09:35:22 -0400

Yes it is as long as all requirements are met.

Response by PFC Jade Stone made Dec 30 at 2020 9:06 PM

PFC Jade Stone — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 21:06:39 -0500

Are you serious to make that statement. All Veterans have a right to use that service. Peace time Veterans held the enemy at bay until this generation was born and there were less misfits within service; soldiers who were more mentally stronger. As a Veteran, I worked as a nurse at military installation, so yes there are many, many misfits on drugs and thugs, who were discharged out...Nevertheless, that hate should not have come out your brain! Thank goodness I didn't serve with you

Response by SGT Lorenzo Nieto made Apr 11 at 2021 6:48 AM

SGT Lorenzo Nieto — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 06:48:34 -0400

If you served you should get the benefits, you have no say in where you serve in most cases,